T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'any one read te news about the deal made on the fiscal cliff?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Spacemen will bring us socialism from the stars"'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting headline, not really backed up with anything in the text unfortunately'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like congress might scupper fiscal cliff bill to force spending cuts because democrats won't reign in their spending'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'schoolkid threatened with expulsion from school after writing a poem about sandy hook shootings'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that school is seeking to violate the 1st ammendment rights of children'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the school is just being retarded'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Courtni, 17, says the school blew things out of proportion because her poem only spoke to the societal defects helping to nurture violent tendencies. Why are we oppressed by a dysfunctional community of haters and blamers? The meaning of the poem is just talking about society and how I understand why things like that incident happened. So its not like Im agreeing with it, but thats how the school made it seem, Courtni told ABC.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'thar school is going to inspire poems lauding the shootings'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the school is trying to argue that the poem is a threat of violence'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was like wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like people being called racist for not loving socialism'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or being told you hate black people because you own a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that happened in the elections, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and what does that say about you? :) You could have said "hate asians", but you chose blacks instead.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was paraphrasing quotes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'blacks are the safer targets, now that China owns so much of the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, blacks are the go to minority. The US claims that they are passed racism but they never say "look at that white guy across the street" if the person is white, but they will certainly will say "look at that black guy" if the person is black.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I was once in Los Angeles and someone asked me for directions, I said "See that guy with the red shirt" that's where the place is. Now red stands out in any crowd, you can't miss it. Anyone wearing red is quite visible. He response was "Oh, you mean the black guy?"'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "go to minority" are the non-rich in the USA  (a "minority" when viewed in terms of wealth)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'obviously had I said "see where that black guy is?" would have been quite clear to him.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'poor whites and rich whites have one thing that unites them, they both see "the black guy",  not the only "guy wearing a red shirt". :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how long after feinstein pushes her firearm ban and confiscation act through do you think the civil war will start?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I actually know a lot more racist minority folk than racist white folk.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, minorities are racist, too. Though they are more apt to see the "red shirt" than the "white guy".'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not very true at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, racism within minorities can't easily be separated from a reflex response.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'foreigners in the UK tend to be considerably more racist than the natives'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'every black person I know thinks whities are out to fuck them over.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gee,  I wonder why :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i don't think all whtes want to fuck me over. '
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I agree, but waiting to see if they are going to be fucked over or not is not a good survival strategy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'at least not the nice white chics who can do a good job, if you knwo what i mean'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, it's ok for asian women to date and marry white men, no one blinks an I. But a white chick with a black man? WTF?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'blinks an eye* :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, you're saying we should advertise quality alarm systems as anti-nigger devices because the perception is that blacks are more likely to steal?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am saying that that is already being done :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'hey. take the rcial slur to echo. i do not use them, and neither should anyone else'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should point that out to Mr Foxx'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some foreigners in an English-speaking Aardwolf are annoying -- after reading a crappy dictionary, they believe they are an authority on the English languagee, and begin posting on the Typos forum notes correcting proper Engish'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Redd or Jamie?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'what's going on here'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jamie'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'there is no need for racial slurs on aard. period. where is an imm?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is being racially slurred'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(language)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i do not use the n-word, and no one else should'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'because it is ignorant to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't tend to use it, but it's a word'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'because it is in fact racist'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'well, aard should not tolerate that'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'blacks call each other that all day long, both as a form of greeting as well as an attempt to elevate themselves from what they consider to be a bad example of their race.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the movie "Django" - somebody said that every second word was an n-word'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and the blacks using that are ignorant. not all blacks do that. i do not. ever'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the rich and/or smart ones use it just as much.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree it's hypocritical, hans'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'point being, aard does not need that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's perhaps the one group that seems to somehow prefer a perpetual state of civil war.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's lots of things aard and the wider world doesn't need'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'nor is it allowed'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'correct. take racial slurs to echo channel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Resolution Rhuli: 'umm.. cool it please, i see racey stuff going on here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'soooo.... let me guess this straight, you're castigating people INCASE they drop the N bomb'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'or private channels, it does not belong on public channels'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i never drop that word. why do i have to see it dropped here?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has someone used it here?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chroseph: 'so can we all agree that racial slurs are a bad idea - no matter who's using them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'basically.  Context completely doesn't matter for the use of the word, especially so from the perception of the supposed minority faction.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'context or not, aard is not a place for it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally get offended if someone calls me a conspiracy nut, perhaps i should declare that aard isn't the place for accusing someone of being a conspiracy nut'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we could be discussing the history of such words, and everyone gets offended that the word was used even though it wasn't actually directed at anyone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'but you are'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but i nevefr call anyone that. do debate -h <number> and see the word dropped'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'just reading back... it would seem that the "n-bomb" was dropped n context to highlight how offensive branding an item on social stereotypes could be'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'actually that would be personal attacks if it's done on public channels, and that against the rules'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if someone wants to make a social point, that is fine, but they can do it withou ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'potentially an insensitive usage... but an understandable one and not one used as the basis for an attack'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can do without people taking offense on behalf of someone else'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but i never use it. and i am black.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'so no one else should use it either'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tell somebody they can't use the n-words, and they're going to use those n-words disdainfully along with other expletives (in private of course, which cursing at those expletive-deleted bad-excuses for actors ruining the appearance of the tv-screen-image)  sadly, folk are going to see the crap movie Django for the n-words '
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I found the slur offensive, I just didn't want to add to what others were saying.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'I didnt argue about the sensitivity... I was merely pointing out that it wasnt being used as an attack, except against the stupidity of people who would use social stereotypes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'campaign away, ohm'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then, could it be said, from now on, racial slurs should be kept off debate channel?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): KyriaBot Krypteria rapidly nods twice at Ohm, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you politically-correct expletive-deleteds are annoying -- please get sick and die horridly'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'one does have to wonder why the need to use the slur is necessary, imo.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the definition of a slur, anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i used to live in texas, and i got offened when people used racial slurs against mexicans. i am not even mexican'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'like I said... I'm not arguing the senstivity... merely pointing out that it wasn't an attack, or actually used as a slur...  I wouldn't have worded it that wat, but the original point was a valid one and completely missed in the outrage over poor wording'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'slurs are emotional, and express genuine feelings'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'if it quacks...'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next you'll be campaigning to stop people using stereotypes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really? I suppose you are right. Hating blacks is a genuine emotion :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'ok. i concede. that. but could the slurs be kept off public channels?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'stereotypes are a mission for morons and fools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stereotypes are merely convenient generalisations'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you may turn off the debate channel and hide in a hole'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the interesting thing is that all this just proved the point I was trying to make. That "white" America is not color blind.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'morons and fools like convenient generalisations'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'Zade, you are bordering on personal attacking here, cool down please'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'and strangely Ohm, that was roughly the point the person who dropped the "n-bomb" was making :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nice choice of expletives, Ohm'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ohm seems desperately intolerant for someone who is so offended by racism that hasn't happened yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's really eating you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'he can make any point he wants. just don't get racial'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the population weren't polarized by race, this discussion would have never arisen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'society is fractured by race and government seeks to exploit that'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the idea that US is getting past its racial problems is a myth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades is color blind
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'tigernuts - you have no idea what i hafe been through. at all. so keep silent'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A bright, shiny gold halo appears over Pleiades's head.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never is this more profound and active than in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'news flash, Anaristos.  Not a single group, minority or otherwise, is colorblind.  Black are JUST as racist as the classic white guys, and because their cultural history includes hard-fought civil rights movements they are likely to think they should actually have a right to be racist.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in the US, that is certainly true and any country that want to be a friend of the US :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno why you're digging at me for,  i think racism is disgusting'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because when white US citizens go abroad, they don't like coloureds to go to the same places they do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'racism is natural '
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racism is not natural, tribalism is natural'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades peers intently at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if people are racist, they just are. i am quite used to it. i do not come to aard to here people drop slurs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you've dropped at least one yourself'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KyriaBot Krypteria: 'racism may be natural, but not a part of aardwolf so just drop this toppic.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no. i did not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you would be so fun in an etymology discussion, I think.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '[01 Jan 17:05:46] (Debate) Ohm: 'stereotypes are a mission for morons and fools.''
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no racial slurs there'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a slur, not a racial one'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'but not racial.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a slur is a slur'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'and you are proud to have stereotypes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Krypteria and Ohm are sure to censor an etymology discussion on the n-word'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a racial one, too.  Very few people call up anything but whitey (at least at first) when talking about racism.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'I prefer "cracker" myself'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you need to be proud of a stereotype? A stereotype is a generalisation. Are people proud of statistics, or groupings?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sports and other competitions, Tiger...'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'if people are ignorant, they are ignorant. i cannot speal for them. i just cannot'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'depends what the statistics say, and what they want to prove'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'speak*'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a concept, whether it has value, or ethical or moral vector is entirely dependant on the context'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'then why do you defend it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'defend what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'stereotypes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stereotypes are useful'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'no. they are not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell that to the advertising industry'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell that to politicians'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'this is aard, not the advertising industry'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell that to anyone or any industry that has a target audience'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just like any other word, they encapsulate a concept in a concise and meaningful description that doesn't fatigue the audience.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'stereotypes are sometimes (somewhat) accurate'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'why can we not use stereotypes? Are there not differences in culture between whites, blacks, arabs, mexicans?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'stereotypes are sometimes extremely accurate'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i am done here. a mission for morons and fools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro waves goodbye to Ohm.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is anyone else similarly baffled as I am?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Stuart Rhodes is predicting civil war'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in which country?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, not gonna happen'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'sure will'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'because they hate my freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if Feinstein gets her gun confiscation act in'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we get all freaked out when just a handful of people get hurt.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos peers intently at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so there is no need for concern that people decide to use children in school for target practice? Or people at the movies?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course there is'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look to the failings of your existing systems for the cu re'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'sometimes, you have to venture outside of the training area and practice in the real world, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I get your point :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not really.  All those guns were out there for the past 30 years, as were a bunch of children who are now somehow in mortal danger every waking moment.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also, the worst event occurred when the desired ban on guns was in full effect.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'for the past [when were guns invented?] years'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what you are saying is this: Since the weapons were out there for the last 30 years, they should remain out there. If someone dies because of one of those weapons then they are simply SOL :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the murder of children is the price they pay for the right to bear arms'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'a ban would do very little to the availability of the weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you really think gangbangers are going to turn in arsenals that will by new definition now be illegal?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'children get murdered without the help of guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'children were murdered before guns existed,they'll be murdered as long as humans exist'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts thanks Cain killd Abelinc heartily.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'all criminals can get guns. why? because they are criminals.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jack the ripper didnt need a gun to terrorize a city.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll give you a hint here, after the gun ban in the UK, murders didn't go down'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'children are rarely murdered in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'children are rarely murdered in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'children are rarely murdered in the ...yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'this is the most defeatist logic'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost laughs out loud at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'other than places with people like Kony, children in general are quite safe'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'applied to any other topic and results would be comical'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'compare the rate at which people get murdered in the US vs in Europe, then draw conclusions about gun laws ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'they're not safe in my basement either'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and don't forget the discrepency of importance placed on events like 9-11.  3 planes killed a number of people that wouldn't fill a midsized neighborhood in a small US city, and that's spurred about 3 and a half wars.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'violent crime rate is higher in the UK than in the USA, HS'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but the interest group of gun supporters is so large, that absurd arguments like this are accepted'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'You are saying since people find ways to kill each other, why not make it easy on them, Tigernuts? I mean the UK didn't experience a drop in the murder rate, so let the guns back out in the streets.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'homer: depends on which parts of Europe, which types of murders, and at which point in time'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'violent crime is a factor of culture and POVERTY'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'there have been plenty of places in Europe where the death rate has far exceeded the US even in the past 15 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, abe, it depends on WHERE in the USA. Many states in the USA have a lower murder rate than UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's noticable that the states with the highest murder rates also have the highest levels of POVERTY'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts looks at Vost and goes "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe the government should buy poor people's guns :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's socialism'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or a slippery slope to totalitarian government'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I forget which'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'something like that, yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wonder how many people have been murdered by private citizens vs the number of people murdered by government'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'Dagnir: they often do'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They already do that in L.A...you get a gift certificate to the GAP or Starbucks if you turn in a gun....this year someone turned in a bazooka.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean the world over, or just in the US?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why would someone turn in a bazooka ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'there have been many cash-for-guns programs run to help get guns off the street'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world over, hans'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'harder to get rounds for the bazooka'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'as for why? money. although I'd prolly try to black-market the thing for more cash'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the death-rate in disarmed countries is usually far far higher (when the government is doing the killings with death squads, or the disarmed country is invaded)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they wouldn't, Riz.  Bazooka are already illegal.  Turning one in would get you arrested, and those with such things would both have plenty of other reasons to avoid arrest AND wouldn't be too happy with the shmuck who grabbed it while it was on the streets.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, probably the states with population 3 or 4 :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so far in Chicago after they banned guns from law abiding citizens...the murder rate has been steadily going up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gun shootings have been up while people dying of their gunshots are down'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though, riz, more widely, over the last 5 years as gun ownership has gone up, violent crime has gone down'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'nobody's been allowed to have a gun legally in new york city for years...'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those figures are on the fbi website'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'nobody abelinc?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gun murders are going down because medicine is better'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that likely isn't a direct result of the gun law, though, so much as a longtime shift of limited resources from gangland to counter-terrorism.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not becauase guns make people safe'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'just LEO'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'secret service, ambassadors...'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Private security goons'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts rolls on the floor laughing at Tasty Tipro's antics!
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise a non-fatal shooting is still counted as a violent crime.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fail'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are countries where both murders and murders with firearms are rare events, heavily populated countries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'new york state gun permits don't apply in NYC, there is no "normal" way to obtain legal ownership there...so yes, I'll use the term "nobody", but police and other professional users of guns may have them'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'without the major presence of the gangland units clamping down on local gang activity, gangs have been able to expand everything with general confidence that there won't be (for now, at least) any consequences of their business.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is counted as a crime but doesn't figure into the statistics for gun murders'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not fail'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cain killd Abelinc: 'anaristos: yeah, but those countries don't allow you to be an asshat :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i very specifically talked about the trend of violent crime going down with gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Don't Tread On Me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody could tread on you, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless they had bigass boots'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and 14ft legs'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, cheer yourself up with a bit of child brainwashing'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54tjbgJmLFg&feature=player_detailpage'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next will be training the public for "mass crying" events like North Korea'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVLMSvWyBNA&feature=player_detailpage'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"I also made it quite clear that Socialism means equality of income or nothing, and that under socialism you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly feed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you like it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live you would have to live well." George Bernard Shaw'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obamas 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, also, fictional'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zY31EPZ9oDM'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already happens in the UK, it's naive to think it won't happen in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we will just stick with Calvanistic wealth doctrine death panels instead'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'it already does. right now, it's based on ability to pay, and lifetime caps'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, there is no *death panel* in the us healthcare law.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US spends between 2 and 10 times as much on healthcare for the elderly under the existing system compared to Germany, UK, Sweden, and Spain'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its convenient to believe otherwise, so no amount of disputing that will compute'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disputing what, twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '"Death Panels"'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not called death panels'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so of course there won't be death panels'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll just be budgets, targets, and guidelines that dictate what care is offered to whom'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there are really two fundamental ways of looking at this'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'either we can treat everyone or we can't'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if we can't who should we neglect and why'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'health care is retardedly expensive in America'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we spend more per capita and have worse outcomes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like you're swapping one kind of unjustifiable descrimination for another'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news flash, good healthcare is expensive everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'did you see the worse outcomes part?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'second newsflash, obama is set to raise the cost of healthcare significantly'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'And as long as conventional nutrition wisdom is inexplicably flawed and health care focuses on symptom treatment, those costs aren't going down anytime soon (aging population doesn't help either)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we spend _more_ to get _less_'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Tinada.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'speculation'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that has to do with your culture of insurance, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'everything about Obama or most of it is always based on speculation'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The US does have some sort of world record in health care spending'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we spend crazy amounts of money'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because your MDs prescribe pills for just about everything'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'capitalism run amok'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, that's what they are taught to do. Also, some of those pills are amazing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'big pharma makes big bucks, kickbacks to docs and lawmakers'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's less capitalism and more fascism, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is because most of them get prescription kickbacks from drug companies, because the fed govt keeps lowering medicare care payments.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The pills used to reduce the symptoms of underlying chronic diseases are not always a very good idea though'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Rizgoth!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and of course that's where the big money are'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not like GlaxoSmithKlyne got caught giving kickbacks to MD's for prescribing their meds'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ohhh woops, they did, my bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The only way independent doctors can stay in business is by taking kickbacks from drug companies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not like Merck got caught faking vaccine efficacy and safety results to get a cast iron contract from central government'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In another 20 years, most doctors will work for hospitals, instead of small clinics.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ooooh, tehy did, my bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like they did the same thing in the UK...... hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is the result of Laisse-Faire '
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's fascism'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'definitely capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'regulatory capture is always a problem.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'however, i don't know what the solution is'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or at least the smal clinics will be owned by bigger hospitals or private companies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'A top-down solution to those problems is exceedingly improbable though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever the solution is, having central government dictate what healthcare people have and who pays for it isn't one'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't work well here, won't work well there'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts - despite it working *better* than the current US system everywhere else in the world?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'exactly the point I was trying to make'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the outcomes are comparable, when controlling for demographics, and the US system costs twice as much'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we spend more for less, so obviously whatever we have is worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where in the rest of the world has a model such as the one you're moving to, in a similar demographic country, works better?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'regulated insurance companies with guaranteed issue/subsidies - germany has something similar, i think'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at A Giant Kraken, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer the system in Germany.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'insurance companies get away w/ paying 50% or less of premium dollars'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's pretty unconscionable'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'healthcare is a somewhat unique product'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and so, the best way to pay for it is difficult'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'personally, I prefer the German way of doing many things, such as education for employment....getting private industry into the mix to provide employment training for people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but... but.. socialism!'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is just a word.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it works, it works.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yeah. and it seems to make americans irrationaly against things with the name'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well the way you describe it in Germany, I don't see that being the case over here'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'germany's public healthcare is a monopoly, so it is not comparable to the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they have better health outcomes at a lower cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the healthcare industry in the US is a monopoly also, there are only a few large insurance companies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the same system'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so let's adopt their system'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not adopting their system'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because it would never get a majority of votes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'seems i was wrong about germany.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even though it is demonstrably better than what we have'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'try netherlands for a "regulated insurers" system'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a reason why Germany is the most powerful country in Europe....they do things intelligently that protects Germany.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'or, switzerland'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i seriously doubt the USA would turn off their military to be able to afford Universal Healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they don't need to.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It has been estimated that to cover 4 free health checkups EVERY year for each american citizen would cost only $12 billion a year....and would save over $75 billion in illness costs that would have been caught earlier.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'if the political will is there, the US can afford almost anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'admittedly, that's a big if.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magna: 'most guys simply don't go to the doctor, having nothing to do with the cost of the visit, though...'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'What the US can not afford, is having several areas of spending consume a continuously increasing share of GDP'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when your health system is dominated by Pharma, no amount of money will make it better'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'which are continuously increasing? healthcare certainly is, but i didn't think any others were seriously increasing'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'military'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to balance the budget and keep military spending the same we would need ~40% cuts in every other area'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'military spending is essentially steady in terms of GDP.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Exactly which sectors are perceived as increasing depend on whether you (a) use the silly cash flow thingies that pass for offical accounts or some sort of GAAP and (b) whether local/state govt. is included'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'twyst - or, they could raise enough revenue to pay for the things they want to provide'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think healthcare is something best pushed down to state level'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(for you guys) - i don't have an answer for the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the states are more of a cluster than the fed'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts - you really want a race to the bottom for healthcare as well?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've already got a race to the bottom'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'that's what ppaca is supposed to help fix'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'perhaps not. but at least it's trying'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not knowable'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is easy to increase tax revenue....you just need more people working....which means you need to make it worthwhile to business to bring back manufacturing jobs to the US...and it helps if the corporate tax for manufacturers was lowered to %15 from %36'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Health care, social security/pensions, education, possibly military spending (although I doubt the long term trends there), debt service if you are inclined to include that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'proven false by the last decade Riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'healthcare's the big one. military is about flat, education's a non-factor in terms of size'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh please, the current corporate tax is 36%, if I was a big company...the last place I would be is the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lowering taxes doesn't incentivise hiring, it just increases income inequality'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'skill level of workforce, infrastructure, and cost of hiring people also affect busienss'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the US government is an insurance company with an army.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not when you can go somewhere cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'us government's main outgoings are SS/healthcare/defence/debt service'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has a low corporate tax rate, but they won't invest here because of huge cost of wages'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more bullshit, Texas lowered its business tax, and now manufacturers and tech companies are flocking to Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'rizgoth - yes.. from other US states'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and from China.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ding ding ding'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'very few from china. the differences aren't tax related there'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and from Japan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'japan - perhaps. i don't know what the costs are there'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and from South Korea.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, how many of texas's population doesn't have health insurance? about 25%'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Texas is a right to work state'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for less of course'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should be obsessed less about how many people have health insurance, and obsessed more about how healthy people are, and what access they have to healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, people without health insurance in the US have essentially 0 access'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's utter bullshit, kraken, and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention, if you had a good paying job you could afford medical care yourself instead of whining about govt coverage.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Michelle Obama has been vilified and ridiculed for campaigning for healthier lifestyles'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'rizgoth - the jobs being created in texas are low-wage jobs, with no health insurance'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'too much socialism and gov't control'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'michelle obama has been vilified for forcing school canteens to limit kids meals to 875 calories rather than insisting on healthy content'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts - what healthcare access does someone in a minimum-wage job get?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm sure that's why TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Campaigning for healthy lifestyle is all very fine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'charity care, or payg'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'payg? they're on minimum wage. they can't afford it'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is charity care?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'up until recently MDs, hospitals etc offered 25% of their services for free'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was part of the hypocratic oath'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many still do'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's just people refusing to pay their bill'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magna: 'free clinics isn't people refusing to pay their bill'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'free clinics are subsidized by the gov and taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magna: 'and there are reduced and free healthcare options for low income people'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'my view is the governement should provide a minimum standard of healthcare for everyone. if you want/need more, pay for it yourself somehow'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'charity used to be an integral part of the profession'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'charity and governemnt control are incompatible'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I am waging my own little campaign to make people around me live a healthier life, so I don't think the idea behind that is very bad..'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'charity is a fickle mistress'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no amount of charity would have alleviated the effects of hurricane Sandy'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magna: 'here in PA, the healthcare offered for kids on the Chip program was such a good policy that it's what I pay for out of pocket for my kids still'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a good job that requires only a 2 year college degree is radiologic technician.....starting salary $62,000 a year.  #8 on the top10 best jobs that you can get with a 2 year degree.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the need for them will increase 44% in 10 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, if you like, you can have the UK system and not get treated at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I heard a funny joke TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you are in a car wreck or have some other kind of traumatic injury, or have one of the target disaease (cancer) then you'll probably be ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'why would I want to get #8?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'again - in the UK, if you've got the money, you can get private treatment. If you don't want to do that, then it's determined on basis of urgency'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I only care about #1 on the list'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'when the Healthcare laws were passed in the UK, some people were very upset because now they had to wait in line to get health care'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not based on urgency, it's based on funds'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what iq is required for that radiogic technician degree'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'with a finite resource, they have to prioritize. everyone does this'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'others were ecstatic, because now to get health care, all they had to do was wait in line'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt you could do #1, not without mucho experience in being a building contractor :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what iq is required for that radiologic technician degree'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Nobody's going to say "You know I want to really maximize the goodness of the job I can get after this 2 years....but only #8 much."'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which brings us back to death panels :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'which exist already. with a finite amount of resources, there has to be some system of matching supply to demand'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst claimed they didn't exist!'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not everybody is high iq'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't except they do, glad we got that pinned down'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'insurance companies do the same, just on basis of cost, rather than need'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Kraken is reading my mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'i'd prefer need to be the main factor for a decision'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the same reasoning'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not at all TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they're deciding how to allocate resource. that always happens'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they allocate resources based on cost AND need'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'right now it is strictly cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're trying to claim UK healthcare is based only on need and it's just not true'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not even remotely true'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '1000s of stories on the internet of being denied life saving treatments by insurance co's because it would be too expensive'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'there are some very expensive things they won't cover.. true'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'such as Kraken?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'don't know the details.. i remember some cancer drug my mother couldn't get on the NHS in the UK, and had to get through private insurance.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'don't remember what it's called i'm afraid. it was a few years ago'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as an aside: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-01-01/putting-americas-tax-hike-perspective'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many stories on the internet about people getting delayed cancer treatments that could have saved their lives had it started on time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'again - you will always get these. if demand > supply, then some people won't get what they want'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the idea is the system has to minimize these'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, it's a *really* hard problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does so badly'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and does a terrible job of dealing with non-lethal medical conditions'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the idea is that tons of people just have to die and nobody's got the courage to point out who.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Social security needs to be changed....all income should be taxable on social security.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what it does a great job of doing though, is burning billions of tax payers dollars in corporate welfare'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as the PFI schemes in the UK have proven'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is limited to around $135,000 right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yes, you too may be moderately middle-class, if you've got a high iq, and are healthy, and nutritionally fed, and adequately lodged, and able to qualify for acceptance to an accredited college, and able to pay for the education and materials and expenses, and get a job after graduation that pays decently, ... (long list, eh) '
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a really big bit of irony in a world where the general problem is that we know how to live far too long.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yeah. the PFI stuff is a load of crap.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'costs more long-term, for a short-term gain'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'but, it's that people don't want to pay now, so the government puts the paying off'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'PFI cameabout from a centre-left once socialist political party who believed in spending huge amounts of money they didn't have, and hiding it from the balance sheets by using a scheme whereby they payed 10-100x the cost, but in the future when they weren't in power'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil and gas is good.  Produces lots of good jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't recall which side banned local government from issuing bonds to raise funds for infrastructure projects, but it's one of the reasons it's so prevalent now'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tiger - for once, i'll agree. they didn't have the guts to say how much the things they want would actually cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil and gas companies are your friend......'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. they're *really* not'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'they're good to their shareholders. they couldn't give a crap about anyone else'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'In his recent book Presidential Perks Gone Royal, Robert Keith Gray, a former Eisenhower staffer, revealed that last year the U.S. presidency cost American taxpayers $1.4 billion. Over the same period, the entire royal family cost British taxpayers about $57 million. Theres nothing 'royal' about the current level of 'presidential perks': The Obama family costs taxpayers more than every European royal house put together.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sounds like govt to me....they are only good to their shareholders, ie the ones who donate cash to them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so they're no different than the clean-energy companies held above them.  Which means, logically, we shouldn't trust Big Green either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'tigernuts - the royal family is mostly ceremonial. the presidency is an executive branch'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that Big Green companies are involved in corporate welfare, a form of fascism, no, you shouldn't trust them'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent, Kraken'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'not at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'yes. the president costs more. he also does more'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Prime Minstistership doesn't cost that either'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'oil companies even seemed to be able to bribe or persuade appeal judges to reduce payouts to victims of oil spills'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'that, at least, is a fair comparison'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the president does nothing....it is a figurehead to give the govt a face to the rest of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the executive branch is -supposed- to do nothing, it's only the last few that have been riding roughshod over the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'and, big green vs big oil - all are in it for their shareholders.. but the externalities of big oil are worse than big green'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the executive branch makes sure the laws are executed. there are a *lot* of laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go go big oil!'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not entirely true.  The president is the ultimate authority on whether laws are enforced.  He can literally tell the cops to stop patrolling East LA.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'no. the cops don't work for him'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Everyone should go buy some Exxon-Mobil stock.....*humming*'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he also enforces Supreme court decisions'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the cops work for a lower level of government'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'the fbi work for the president, indirectly'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'powers of the executive are set out in the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'sort of'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'article 2'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'basically it's "enforce the laws passed by congress and signed by the president"'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should replace congress with some donkeys....more would get done.'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'congress will never continue to get worse and worse because of Gerrymandering'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'delete the never obviously :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(repeat the whole statement properly -- or your opinion is the first statment (since the correction won't be noticed in the logs))'
T3/r7/2013-01-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(doubt that Abelinc "corrects" the logs per typoers request)'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ron perlman is a great character actor.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have you heard of condemnation for burning a book from the UN but none for slaughtering people and burning down their homes in response?  no?  new dialogue with laos and the pope condemns rampant capitalism while a second USSR is being discussed by modern armenian politicians and various other developments, like the UN advise on letting people eat bugs to slow down on cow-fart emissions from laos'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'naturally most people would already see that there is no connection or implications to be had from the news (some of which is hardly reported)'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so that's all i talk about it for, seeing what toilet seats and toilet theme parks have to do with one another'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe nothing'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/commodities/8486704/UN-food-advisor-says-let-them-eat-insects.html he doesn't say the ruling elite will eat bugs with 'them', them is the communist version of nothing that they consume'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it all speaks to me of corruption of the holocaust / holodomor sort'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shit, they even downplay prison camps these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's ok don't worry about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or how about the porn?  canada's out to find extortion in the world and there's a news story pointing out that it has extortion economic whore shops in canada but there's no investigation at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or tax-evasion rather*'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so , nothing to talk about what i read ont he news for, except the government's obviously full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as is proven by the news'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9750009/Porn-king-detained-on-suspicion-of-tax-evasion.html see where 'manwin's' offices are'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my mind can't schizophrenize many alternative interpretations of that, unless i delve into the people who are not really there'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i'm not their lawyer, they're like ashes to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or like vietnam having protest about 6 star's on the flags when chinese communist party leaders come to visit and having the people who mention it locked in prison, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/vietnam/8974616/Vietnam-in-embarrassing-flag-gaffe-with-China.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or the egyptian reporters who cult of personality opposed mursi's mercy merci being prosecuted today'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as the news reports last year that women who protest being raped in egypt get raped for protesting'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, bristol bay alaska had a record harvest of 18.1 million sockeye salmon caught in summer 2012.....almost 2x the average catch that was predicted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another funny thing is things like on forbes -> http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2012/09/06/why-estonia-has-started-teaching-its-first-graders-to-code/ (of course estonia's not a communist), but then considered with google's tech talk 'Born in a concentration camp' interviewing north korea's unified camp 22 and yodok http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms4NIB6xroc General electric praising state communism (head of obama's job council says article) http://www.theblaze.com/stories/head-of-obamas-jobs-council-state-run-communism-actually-works/ and http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/9760653/Techs-new-territory-Skolkovos-Moscow-takes-shape-after-Munich-summit.html (not even remembering bill gate's death-panel jokes)'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'MY EYES!'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'since i seen somebody talking about how important education is these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'cold war ended in 1991 with end of communism though, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20882894 Pope's new year address deplores rampant capitalism '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a real eye opener to look up the history of several successful people, 1st 2nd generation ussr, barbie dolls in 1959 inspired by german dollars, with the surname of a nazi who worked for the USA after leaving the gestapo'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'I once heard a Haitian radio announcer describe Klaus Barbie, a Nazi known as the Butcher of Lyon, as youn ansyen Tonton Makout Hitler, or one of Hitlers Tontons Macoutes: a zombie of the Reich.  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/31/opinion/a-zombie-is-a-slave-forever.html?_r=0'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Barbie  was an SS-Hauptsturmführer (rank equivalent to army captain) and Gestapo member. He was known as the Butcher of Lyon. After the war had ended, he was recruited by the Western Allies and worked for the British until 1947. '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbie  is a fashion doll manufactured by the American toy-company Mattel, Inc. and launched in March 1959. American businesswoman Ruth Handler is credited with the creation of the doll using a German doll called Bild Lilli as her inspiration.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/06/navy-detects-russian-sub-off-u-s-east-coast/ are american's really convinced that they should be in afghanistan with the enemy floating off their coast not too far away?  seriously?  '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'found that link from google search or while looking through cnn website'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a chinese sub off florida a few months ago, fired a missile without a warhead at the mainland'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '[citation needed]'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wondered why there's so many black leaders in american nations'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i guess people like the chief of the UN and human rights violators from a trial in switzerland (2x from kenya) that i read on the news can be used to guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're running for politics there now, and google search for human rights kenya says they '13 Nov 2012  Kenya was elected on Monday to one of the coveted seats on the United Nations Human Rights Council.''
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com/2010/11/11/chinese-navy-jin-class-nuclear-submarine-fired-missile-off-so-cal/'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as in international waters, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so wasn't fire -at- the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-16675268 Two presidential candidates in Kenya are to stand trial over crimes against humanity following post-election violence in 2007, the International Criminal Court (ICC) has ruled.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also the woman behind obama on television the other day sure had quite the hateful gaze at the camera's, i wonder why'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so your first statement was bullshit. also, no better source than some wordpress site?'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my memory of events months past aren't great, Dagnir, I remembered hearing about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'secondly, the wordpress site is mirror a independant news website that have sources there from RT with quotes and references from Janes'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a) you have bad memory and/or b) you "hear about things" and consider them facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was 2 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's your problem? I corrected the facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's very nice of you'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a long history of foreign subs 'turning up' just outside national waters'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russians used to do it to the UK an awful lot with planes'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's just that your statements are usually half-truths'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd fly towards british airspace, we would launch, they'd turn around'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your face is half truth, my statements are fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, the russian planes fuck with our airspace all the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, so i'm telling half truths and now you're agreeing'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'grow up'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you'd like to claim that it's wrong because there's a spelling mistake or other some such bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'spelling mistake? you got everything wrong except for "china" and "missile"'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go complain at the media, they make similar mistakes'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it makes a huge difference. your original version sounded more exciting tho. i'll give you that'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'doesn't change the fact that your statement was bullshit and i called you on that'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they push it, and then policy gets made based on those mistakes'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/11/chinese-submarine-was-not-the-first-on-us-coast/'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'petition to deport piers morgan now over 100,000'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so a nation with presidents immune to the international criminal court for crimes against humanity is now part of the united nation's human rights council'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'isn't that incredible?  and people still insist that they shouldn't leave it and form some kind of a real justice'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was never under the illusion that most people seem to be that the UN is some kind of benevolent watchdog'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to me, it looks like they're the kind of thing any hero would have died fighting against in world war 2'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is what it is, a group that exists solely to dictate to the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the clue is in the UN convention on human rights, 1945'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go read it'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pretty hyperbolic'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the UN can't dictate anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but the lizard people can!'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN can dictate whatever powers have been ceded to it'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'aka nothing'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN can grant legitimacy to military action'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they can give their blessings'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they can give legal legitimacy'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't recall the UN authorizing Desert Storm 2'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is the only legal basis for US intervention in Libya, for instance'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the intervention was illegal under US law'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'here is the thing TN, decress without the means to enforce them are requests at best'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you've misundersood the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN is a TOOL for powers within the USA who want to impose an agenda'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think the west are getting arsey at Russia and China vetoing stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because they are ruining the "cool" kids club where everyone agrees that they are correct and moral etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'everyone being USA and western Europe'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well everyone clearly doesn't agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm glad you've captured the sarcasm'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oddly, the NDAA breeches the UN convention on human rights 1945'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(shh, don't tell them)'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Article 29 (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that by itself invalidates the entire document'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unable to get away with charging people more for their electric, and suffering because of people choosing to be energy efficient to save money, british electric companies now to charge a standing charge for all electric customers'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '2010 canada stops reporting soldier injuries, america has over 1000 military suicides'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what kind of accidents are going to happen in quebecs 'great warrior' training in america on the base with a japanese website replacing the us government'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen it on latimes'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/news-nouvelles/news-nouvelles-eng.asp?id=4574 Quebec Reserve Soldiers Depart For Exercise Noble Guerrier -- they're just doing some hard training like when america dropped bombs on them in afghanistan?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Pickett there says http://www.fortpickett.net/ domain was owned by us government, but not anymore'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess maybe they're not up to no good though, they'll probably come back non-raped and feeling fine without any population control'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarnak_Farm_incident'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always found it suspicious that canada had so much uranium and stuff on it but didn't bother to build more nukes than russia and america combined'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm upset i wasn't born into a real country so i could have participated in defending it'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it would have to be a place willing to self-destruct to preserve sovereignty though'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wouldn't hestitate to fire all the nukes in the world at my enemies if they were fucking around like this'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd say sorry after'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'make use of all them little virus's and stuff too'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least they'll all die one day, cancer maybe or accidents or the end's all that matters'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'world's getting all cancered up year by year too so their invested futures are all covered in plastic too'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Premier Brad Wall has promised not to sell certain Crown corporations, including the major utilities, that are listed in a protection act. (CBC) http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/story/2013/01/02/sk-wall-crown-corporations-1301.html what a good idea, the dumb population really has a voice when it comes to foreign communist governments controlling their nations resources'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they could almost make their own avril arrows before the central intelligence agency of the communist americans took it over'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lets sell a billion tonnes of potash to crown corporation china for only 70 dollars less than originally bargained'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'per pound'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or whatever the unit'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tonne'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'good idea brad wall street, i can smell the berlin holocaust all over you'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shining in new york success stories'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's funny isn't it?  too bad there's no war over it, maybe in real life there will be'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'too bad there's not more hitler's in the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the kind who aren't palestinian/catholic/jewish cronies though'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or some asian puppet '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he knew how to kick people's asses pretty good'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he's non-communist, which is the best thing - and didn't demand everybody whoreship his god neither'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so at least he had some virtues'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not sure how much of a traitor he was'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm guessing he's more real than these communist puppets though'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''god' is real?  '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/9774217/Tsunami-bomb-tested-off-New-Zealand-coast.html a day before http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/9760762/Sea-floor-next-to-Australias-Great-Barrier-Reef-close-to-collapse.html but don't question toilet seats + theme parks or you're a bigot and somebody might find out that it was actually you who caused people to http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/9775831/Bigotry-that-kills.html instead of the news itself'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'endless hypocrisy'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'thought is the reason we need DoDAAM automated gun turrets and gps tracking devices installed into our biometric india'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'soldiers shouldn't question their computer glitches'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15893772 there we go, the program will feel no pain as it shoots any peace of organice meat'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i'm sure the video game player will have a jolly time of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's goota be pretty rare to be provided all within the same 3 day period, i wonder what hinders people from seeing the lies and wonder who the probable causes are'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '2*  and multiple times over'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'when you ask for proof and they point at a book, you know knowledge came before man'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nobody wants to discuss media hypocrisy with me, i guess they all know best about how come stalin and hitler and america had such attention paid to the media'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oh well too bad, their hypocrisy kind of justifies my own though, so i'll give them that'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not malevolent like them with any real authority though, so they can shove off with the entertainment values of the west or their suppression in the east'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatre  is a collaborative form of fine art that uses live performers to present the experience of a real or imagined event before a live audience in a specific place. (without google results for 'Syria Danny' in mind, or 1920 broadway musicals) war looks like a real 'theatre of war' with all of the fiction i see'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they probably chiselled out the theatre before the book of revelation, and synthesized the disasters and rumours of war omen of the ends in it ever since, to their heavenly genocide of amalek and esau'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'racist god of filth'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada was named after a roman slave state with the 'eye of the king' sovereignty from beyond'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you search for the word jew google gets concerned, watch out'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just trying to see if they're a commie or a jew, what's wrong with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'type in any racist term denoting white people and it doesn't mind though'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nazi will give you 30 million pages praising the resilient jews's version of franz fischer's world war 1 - which has laws in place in russia and europe to prevent discussion'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if you search for any connection between klaus barbie and the german 1959 inspired barbie doll's western affiliations you'll get a page full of lawsuits'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Colossal magnetized fountains of gamma-ray-emitting gas are spewing from the center of our Milky Way galaxy, researchers say.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Colossal magnetized fountains of gamma-ray-emitting gas are spewing from the center of our Milky Way galaxy, researchers say. The amount of magnetic energy contained in these geyser-like outflows corresponds to the energy liberated by about a million supernova explosions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'caused by the formation and destruction of stars near the center.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they are known as Fermi bubbles, but until now there was insufficient evidence to determine their source.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do they do'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they help regulate the galactic magnetic field.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the geysers of gas are 50,000 light years long.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'roughly half the diameter of the galaxy'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and really, really fast.  Moving on the order of 1000Km/sec.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What would happen if alpha centauri went supernova ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'of a few years not much :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is only 4 light years away.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wouldn't really do much to us, really.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if, somehow, it threw a Gammy Ray Burst at us (in theory, there's nothing there capable of doing that) and it was aimed straight at us, we'd be toast as soon as it got here.  Being on Earth, even buried at whatever the deepest depth was we ever got to, the GRB wouldn't be a survivable event.'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'if they threw that beam at us we will dissapear in that second so, why worry?'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the world is currently consuming through industrial products and processes around 800 million ounces of silver annually.  However, annual world silver production is approximately 500 million ounces and annual recycling efforts provide another 150 million ounces, leaving a 150 million ounce deficit that must come from existing inventories. '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by the time the supply is exhausted they'll be mining the asteroids :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you didn't think the US in  interested in Mars for humanistic reasons, did you? It's a stepping stone to the Asteroids. '
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am waiting for congress to pass a resolution declaring the US owner of the universe :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if a bird crapped on the material that is the sky (physics, empty space is impossible), the guano act might come into effect'
T3/r7/2013-01-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no such thing as empty space :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not initially Abe. But it would pay off over time. Because the missions would be moon-mars.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news latest: Wet sidewalks cause rain'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enjoy your tax hikes, america :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of democracy gives it's house a 154-page bill to study and vote on 3 minutes before the vote time?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia? china? north korea?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take a guess :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'original draft was available only 22 hours before vote time'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hugo Chavez in a come, 'only kept alive by life support''
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coma*'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(newspaper claims)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how will the advent of table-top U235 refinement alter the landscape of terrorist attacks?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'build a shedload of affordable housing, charge reduced rates of rent for all those on housing benefit. instantly 6bn a year saved'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the inland sea port at Kentucky really considered sovereign Mexican soil?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't know but I'm going to say no, because I can't think of a reason it would be true (or an idea of what makes it a sea port)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a sea port as such, it's a rail hub connected to the ports in mexico that acts as a dispersion point throughout the rest of north america'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Trans-NAFTA highway will be a massive upgrade of this'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically an excuse to privatise chunks of the road system, giving control of them to foreign companies who then charge tolls'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no complaint about building infrastructure, but it's finance and ownership should have been kept within the country at least, and at best, within state'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'states should benefit from infrastructure on their land, not foreign companies'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making your international opponents rich from the resources on your soil is just a business strategy, they do it in other places don't they'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a sound plan'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a fucking idiotic plan that's screwed up the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of it gets done for greed, lobbying, insider interests, some of it is desperation (local people getting conned that they're getting something for cheap/nothing)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen that they wanted to build a dam on the bering strait once to excellerate melting of the arctic ocean - miraculous transformation of nature or something - so alot of those reasons're probably only excuses (although real to the people who embody them)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bering_Strait#Proposed_dam'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think there's intelligent design in most of the mass-destruction in the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'co2 emissions in the US have been dropping since coal use has been replaced by natgas and wind, and the fact that technology has been getting more efficient, ie more miles per gallon of fuel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great, i don't really care though :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only socialists and crackpots care about co2'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to much co2 is bad, but the problem is determining how much is to bad, and not enough is bad also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'and people who believe in science.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a tool used to dictate people how to run their lives, and take more power/money frmo people'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the science is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ok so you don't like areas close to sea level?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the industrial revolution most likely prevented the next global ice age for a long time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change happens, has always happens, will always happen. if they were really interested in averting or offsettting any affect we might be having, then there is tons of stuff they could have done on the absorption or reassimilation of co2. Efficiency was always going to happen through technology vs cost. Non-fossil fuels were always going to come because of limitations on, and increasing costs of grabbing limited resources'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, the industrialists taught of the last one too, but who lived through them to verify their claims?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even now, it would be more cost effective (by several orders of magnitude no less) to invest in dealing with the consequences of climate changes than try to be King Kanute and prevent it'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, i stand by original sentiment, what we see happening on climate change policy is merely power and money-grabbing'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't address the problem, and wouldn't be a good way of addressing the problem anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'no people are actually trying to solve a problem, they care about what is going to happen to earth and the people on it.  they aren't trying to run your life for no reason.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the government isn't out to get everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'oil's interesting especially under the ocean, there's a liquid that floats on water, but is underneath of water, not seeing the processes that put it there in the first place to omit them from any neccessary worldly functionality , unless they do - know of anything to look up on that, geology?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're in a dream world'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I'm in the real world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what other possible explanation have you for governments approach to climate change?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the little that they have done (mostly talking U.S. here) is the most cost effective thing they can come up with, solar and wind energy are very close to being competitive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the evil corporatists want you to breathe air regularly so that you can continue to work for them and let them squeeze every last drop of labour from you! Breathing air is all about their power hunger, nothing else, and doesn't benefit you at all! You should hold your breath until you die! That'll show them!'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Malkar, if the USA collectively stopped all CO2 emissions right now, and I mean ALL. by 2020, the difference in global temperature would be 0.09 degrees F'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's absurd'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the absorption rate of CO2 method may be the way to go.  We haven't done it because either it won't work or it will work very well but sounds like science fiction and people don't study it because they don't want to look crazy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where are the troops going to south america to protect and restore the rain forest'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is the technology being deployed to turn desert into useful crop-bearing land?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '8 years is not a long time frame, especially when the effects on temperature in the absence of feedback is quadratic.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'that's what drained the colorado river.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'claiming that the difference in 8 years is miniscule is misleading. For someone who claims to be a physicist, you're a liar one way or another.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole approach has been "how can we squeeze more money out of people while increasing our level of control"'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I planted 2500 hybrid poplars on my 20 acre piece of land in NE Texas after it was partially clear-cutted'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sonshi, as you well know, any saving the west makes is obliterated by China/Asia'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'You may wish to live your life based on what is good or bad for the powers that be. I would rather live my life based on what is good or bad for me and my people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you live by whatever is good for your ego, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hybrid poplars are good firewood...they grow really fast.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally don't appreciate the 25% hike in gas and electric prices in the last 2 years as a result of my governments' fuckwitted approach to global warming policy'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the tree hugger sort like to think that planting trees will help a lot... unfortunately it doesn't do much to keep carbon in the ground after they're fully grown. It's really not such an effective use of land. Preserving existing forest land while using already cleared land for more productive purposes makes more sense'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'protecting and helping regenerate the rain forest would have been absolutely 1st on my list of priorities'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I planted trees for firewood, not for carbon sequestration.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, okay'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I happen to be for more co2, and more efficient technology.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but trees for firewood isn't an effective use of land either...'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'works for me, that is all that matters.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trees for firewood is fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'largely carbon-neutral'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could argue carbon beneficial due to rotting leaves'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but it's more effective if cleared land is used for more low emitting energy supply, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people chop down rainforests cause there's gold or other resources or some other initiative to do it'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they cut down rainforests because it's fertile crop and grazing land'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err... rotting leaves releases the stored carbon...'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you seen some of the stories about places where there's rainforests, the people don't have much of alternatives to survive'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all of it, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sources like fission plants'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'makes more sense to build nuclear power plants instead of wind farms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably. Just don't build it in hurrican or earthquake zones'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hello, there is a 3 reactor nuclear power plant right on the texas coast....many hurricanes have hit it, and it is fine....the damn thing has 20 foot thick concrete walls.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'or at least ensure that you have a certain way to shut down the thing if a hurricane/flood/earthquake hits or something'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, just don't be like the japanese, build a plant in a dangerous area without proper safety mechanisms'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In the US we build nuclear reactors with thick walls, not like the japanese who use aluminum walls. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'paper walls are best'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of US reactors are leaking due to inadquate maintenance'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that nuclear accident in japan wouldnt have happened in the US because of our dif plant designs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'have you seen those pictures of japanese towns built on a slope below ancient stone tablets which say "danger, do not build homes below this point"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'inadquate maintenance my butt.....the plants go offline every year for routine maintenance.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, the next generation of nuclear power plant designs are really safe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pebble bed nuclear reactors.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'PBR's are ultra safe, designed to be that way....they dont need human assistance to shutdown, or cool down, and do not rely on cooling systems that can fail.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is what doomed that japanese reactor plant.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now only the US military uses the PBR design for nuclear reactors, because except in Texas, no new nuclear power plants have been authorized, and the Texas one is 8 years behind schedule because of govt paperwork.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will it ever see the light of day? i heard that they closed down a couple of brand new carbon-capture coal stations there'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '12 state of the art coal plants were cancelled in Texas in 2008 because of the natgas finds....now new state of the art natgas power plants are being built.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mean existing built running coal plants'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, those still are running in Texas, but some have closed in other states, older plants from the 60s.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal use in the US is down 20% in the last decade.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wind use has also pushed down coal use in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas produces the most wind power in the nation right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Texas, if you don't do it big then it ain't worth doing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if china bails out their solar industry when their bubble finally bursts, it could help drop emissions there...'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of a country that uses political prisoners as slave labour to make cheap crap for export in prison camps.... i wouldn't bank on it'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some of those companies are locked into contracts that pretty much spell their doom if they can't move large quantities'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's China.  While a bailout isn't out of the question, all they really have to do is order panels be put on all houses...or else.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and more importantly as far as bailout chances are... some of them are very well connected'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would fill my roof with panels here when i move, but there are planning regulations that restrict us to 4KW, making it essentially pointless'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All US govt roofs should have solar panels on them, and all schools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, that's what I'm thinking. If they decide to bailout by soaking up the excess and putting solar everywhere, it could be good for the rest of us through lower emissions'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Scientists Invent Heat-Regulating Building Material http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/08/110802113610.htm they had patents in america pending, apparently you can make spraypaint and stuff with it and is pretty cheap to manufacture'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly be useful to cut down on the amount of times the furnace / air conditioner cuts in'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how's it work?  Because I see a bunch of people looking at this and seeing a really cheap alternative to plugging all the holes they didn't realize were in their existing building.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, i just read about it there, look it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'traps excessive heat in a room and then releases it as the room cools down, with some kind of a 'programmed' level of room temperature'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'night storage heaters'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, the UN voting inspector during Russia's last presidential election was a Danish guy by the name of "Tiny Kox"'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lol, with all them advanced identification cards and things like that, http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/12/14/novelty-souvenir-fake-id-cards-minors.html 'noveltys' only sell novelty IDs to those aged 17 to 20. , The shop clerk denied selling to underage teens and refused to answer any questions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the government spent quite a bit of money on 'securing' the cards with that addons'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can get student cards in universities, identities in any province, etc, apparently - they're just 'novelty items that are just different enough from government-issued identification to evade police scrutiny.''
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just a little modification and how can you trust the government's computer's of who's a citizen, or the identity cards they hand out?'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'good test might be to see where place of birth/residency etc was and then studying notable events (this can also be rigged, although more complexly) that happened there during their stay, and asking one that must be imprinted on their memory somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cool.  Studies on male lab rats suggest that doing cocaine can help make their sons resistant to its effects.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'waste of good cocaine'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in a completely unrelated study, scientists have found that meditation can reduce the risk of death.'
T3/r7/2013-01-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen an article about that today, http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2013/01/02/health-inside-your-brain-dark-side.html 'the dark half''
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'members of congress make $160k a year plus benefits, and another $2 million for staff/office expenses.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds reasonable to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for the salary, the $2m is actually lower than it used to be. :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, I don't mind paying for the meals, the limos, the hotel rooms of any deadbeat that wants me to fork out some cash.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'which is what tax payers do. They can't eat at McD's, they have to eat at 4 star restaurants, and we pay for it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as I've pointed out before, being a elected is equivalent to becoming royalty. We become the servants and they become the masters.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Maher visited the Canadian Embassy to see if he can get religious asylum. He found an Egyptian receptionist there in her Hijab, so he left. The Egyptian staff at Western embassies in Cairo are under the control of State Security. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1b5KOsx-10 not sure if it's real or not, pretty incredible youtube video though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada's embassy's aren't under the control of canadian state security though, interesting hypocrisy if it's true'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so does america sends money to egypt and doesn't even have it's own embassy there? http://www.forbes.com/sites/brianwingfield/2011/01/29/making-sense-of-u-s-foreign-aid-to-egypt-and-elsewhere/'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/11/18/russia-embassy-compromised.html where's russia's embassy in canada compromised?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they should knock it down and build something useful instead '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it'd be funny to see canada's embassy in china, they probably have full anal probes and camera's on every strand of their toilet paper rolls'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making sure no dissidents of any legitimacy could defect'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but canada's chinese embassy, probably you can't fart a block away without it being relayed to china for suspicious wind patterns'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never had any faith in the sovereignty bullet though, that's just a matter of world war 3's'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illinois comprehensive gun ban fails'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pensylvania police chief submits an ordninance blocking any moves on the 2nd ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feinstein bill makes it to the senate'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it begins'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$1 trillion platinum coin for sale, for the low low price of $995 billion.....buy yours today!'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bargain'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that'll go great with my trillion-dollar note I got from a Nigerian prince.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your state governor is ripping you off, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'schoolkids in pennsylvania can now be prosecuted for "sex texts"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what are "sex texts" and is the police state in Pennsylvania in violation of the 1st amendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you've never heard of sexting?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i use a landline'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mobile phone communications of a sexually explicit manner, in the first case prosecuted of it's kind, a 13yr old girl has been given a citation for sending a photo of her breasts to a 14yr old boy'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a second offence would see her prosecuted with a misdemeanor'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '1st amendment doesn't apply to activities already deemed illegal.  For example, you have the 1st amendment right to make incest porn but you cannot actually share it with someone else.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what if the boy asked for a photo of those breasts'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that would be child porn'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's less to do with the 1st ammendment and more to do with stupid rules about sexual conduct among the under 16s'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teens are always going to bone'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seems stupid to charge a minor with an adult non violent crime.  Murder I can understand.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what about driving without a license?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't even statuatory rape, it's just probably some bible thumping democrats who've deemed that "speaking as a mother", they don't want their children showing other children their boobies'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '16 yr olds can drive with a permit or license, and on the farm they can drive as young as 8'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a license is just to show ability, and a way for the govt to tax you some more, but if you can drive just fine...a license shouldnt be a requirement to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think something like in indonesia today they're trying to turn society into a more comformable (successful) system of nondelinquency, that option should be available to people, but not a requirement for success - cause with religion or other governance they will try to centralize all success around being in their favour - since people can succeed without dictatorship occassionally'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legally, i don't even own my car, even though i bought and paid for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something like military cadets or whatever isn't too bad, as long as it's a respectful environment of non-abuse - alot of the time places like that just want to throw their weight around and tempt you to flip out'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars have to be registered here, legally, a registration is a transfer of ownership, so the government owns it, which is why the certificate says "Registered keeper", not "Registered owner"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all a big legal fiction'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people get like that cause the natural structure of things was messed up, now the most rotten people with most money decide who succeeds and how they kiss their ass for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'no amount of terrorism or fear would shake that awareness out of people, i think'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'want just about anybody to run backwards on a treadmill gulping their own shit for 10 minutes?  if the price is right they probably will'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe they'd do it on live television like the running man'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's success in the world of capitalism / communism / ideological nazi humour'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chieu_Hoi'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh seems to be attempting to be ignored by the heterosexuals, and admired by the homosexuals, with that excrement talk'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a fetid example of probable truth is used as emphasis'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong, you are figuratively shooting yourself in the mouth'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure am hoping that girl in britain is alright, i seen some of the rawa website and them's some brave women'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like how they denounce fundamentalism and ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "blind leading the blind", and "the ignorant criticising the ignorant"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and the "demagogues praising the demagogues"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'somebody must see, otherwise everybody fits into einsteins quotes'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some see alot better than others, cooler heads on their shoulders and willing to look at the good about life'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm troll under Einstein's and Rosenberg's bridge'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mexico is now the 4th largest producer of vehicles for export.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what horrendous vehicles they are too'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All the taxis in NYC we made in mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'were even'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mexico's GDP grew by 4% last year'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought mexico's biggest export to the USA was Obama supporters'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mexico is now the largest producer of flat screen tvs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all ours are made in china'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mexico currently had trade deals with 44 nations, the most of any country in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if the US DOJ would stop illegally shipping firearms to their drugs gangs, they might have a lowert crime rate'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is expected that with the pro capitalist reforms that are taking place in Mexico, it will become one of the top 10 economies in the world soon.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they can get on top of their corruption'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well, i don't mind mexico being successful at all, i think it's good for everybody to have some kind of a legal way to make a living'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm amazed that american continents are the most violent place on earth, apparently, that's just incredible'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lots of places where news and statistics are impossible though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the least free, least transparent, most corrupt continentns'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in terms of what, natural disasters?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'news reports it's human violence'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well look at all the school shootings'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ever heard of africa?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i live there'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have yeah, that's one place i considered when i read their claim of america being most violent on the news'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, pizza.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'middle east is possibly more violent'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'They're probably not counting warzones.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's fine, then, US just needs to continue it's policy of shooting up as many other countries in the world as is humanly possible'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: most of the violence is by either mixed-breeds or by specific ethnic groups'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9756172/Pro-Israel-groups-want-to-block-appointment-of-Chuck-Hagel-as-new-US-defence-secretary.html this guy here has some interesting attributes'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir gasps as he realizes what Zade did.
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'wow. just wow. you really are fucking retarded'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's not conjecture.  Black-on-black violence is at epidemic proportions, and they're calling for the old white guys to do something about it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well gossip is going crazy'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's almost like BoB is a point of cultural pride.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wellll.. in the UK, there is a hugely disproporionate amount of violence among ethnic minorities'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's not them vs the white guys, it's them vs themselves and other minorities'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/31/chuck-hagel-big-problem-realist-iran i like this article, it includes some alternative futures america could have taken'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'in sa we just all love hate each other or at least the old generation does the newer generation is just plain loving'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno who he is or what his credentials, but if he is against Iran military action, that can only be a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whites are (more) civilised because the violent whites were killed off before (over)breeding'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but since the irish overbreed, the irish are yet violent'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read some more articles though, like http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9774553/Israel-will-cease-to-exist-within-a-decade-says-Muslim-Brotherhood-official.html this here one, seems kind of ominous '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9778238/Syria-would-not-join-Iran-in-war-against-Israel.html and this one'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it's kind of understandably confusing situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it would probably be just as well to scrap Israel, and reform Israel, Gaza, and West Bank back into a single country called Palestine'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'screw that'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and let the muslim kill the jews instead?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'to be fair though, the muslim brotherhood article claims that they don't hate jews but zionism, and they wouldn't be persecuted under that - but that would be a fairly large sacrifice of trust on israel's part, and i'm reminded of them women in afghanistan'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they used to live side by side'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, before islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and pakistan and things like that - their situation when i read about it seems alot like hell'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, with Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'how about we evolve and stop killing because of what someone belives, that is so 15th century!'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or jail or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Islamic Arabs are not to be trusted'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'islam has dumbed down the arab people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that does appear to be true, though chances are it isn't Islam but rather a particular form of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the persians were a magnificient people before islam showed up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the predisposition to violence is a genetic trait -- humans are animals'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so you like the fact that your ancestors where monkeys'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what most comes to my mind, is presuming adolf hitler really did as they say against the jews in germany, '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini this guy was apparently one of his advisors - and also , apparently, one of the original members of the muslim brotherhood'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and genocide's not a good thing for anybody , i never disagreed with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'muslim brotherhood is born out of the Nazi party'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think rudolf hess came from egypt'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'chemosh, isrrael is doing the same the germans did to them to the palestinians...'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'no, they are not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'dont think is because of muslims or the terrorists or the comunists'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so implications can be pretty scary to consider, but considerable anyways'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but you Chemosh are not saying anything deep -- you are too scared, and deliberately leave out *details* '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'they use no more voilence than they have to.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'im sorry homer have you seen the news lately'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'if they wanted to go Nazi style on the palestinians, they could do far more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen one article on cnn that claimed the jews had dropped pamphlets over palestine before bombing their intended targets during their temporary battle'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'it's not easy having a neighbour who wants nothing but to kill you. Can't let go of having the upper hand, because then they smack you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'informing the civilians where not to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well thats isrrael doing to the palestinians and they have been doing it for quite a while, and is called genocide in any dictionary'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'no, not in mine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'for it to be genocide, the purpose have to be to root a group out.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well then our convo has finished'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Israel is clearly not doing that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost all nations're guilty of some amount of (un)pardonable sin, although they could reason with eachother and leave the past behind if they want'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'but believe what you will.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I'm not saying Israel are angels, but genocide? Silly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'according to the equivocating HomerJew, as long as the process is done gradually, with the intent to leave a few, the weeding out is not a (full) genocide'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ronda nods at Zade.
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'You got me quite wrong there. Intending to kill of people of a certain group is genocide.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not at all like the mongol islamists, huh?  Give them a choice, kill off the ones who made the wrong one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'killing a lot of people of a certain group to defend yourself is not, however'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and I am definitely not a jew, calling names is not necessary.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'self-defense is a human instinct, who could be faulted for that - unless they took it out of proportions, which i expect alot of the problem is about'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'it's not out of proportion when they are hailing rockets at your cities.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Kinda funny how Hamas started the shooting, but western media (at least here in Sweden) didn't report shit until Israel hit back'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'then it twisted it to make it sound like Israel started it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have a lot of sympathy with Israel, since their state was founded out of terrorism against the British Authorities'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that ended it well :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next!'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'there are documented killings done by israel dating 3 years ago 2 years ago 1 year ago. This was is not new.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, media is a powerful tool, keeping them in check (or actually independent and dispersed on their opinions) used to be the governments job, truth often isn't of any value though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to mention the conditions they force on the gaza strip, the blockades, the building on land that doesn't belong to them'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 're'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I meant the last round.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'there's killings back and forth from the start.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing Israel CANNOT do, is speak from a position of moral highground'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'there even is a movie dance with bashir i think is called'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so according to HomerNotGenocide, if the Arabs and or the world were to weed out a lot of the group called the Israelis, that is not genocide -- wow, that strains the credulity'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'talks about the 70ts, they do call it genocide then... maybe now because they figt back they call them terrorirsts'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'new way to call the people defending their land nowadays'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'please dont call homer names he did ask you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'that depends on the circumstances. Let's say Israel threatened to nuke everyone and what not, and someone else hurled a nuke their way first to stop them, then I wouldn't call that genocide.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the name "Homer Simpson" is copyright -- and debating (badloy) with that name is abuse of the copyright'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'in the 70ts they did called it genocide, well after it happened'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'if however, Iran got their nuke at last and decided "let's pwn israel" then it would be'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"double standard" there by copyright-infringer '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'a lot of countries in that zone has been occupied, whatever decision are been made, is not what the people that was born there wants...  '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'but that war israel/palestine is a very old war'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'yes, thousands of years, in a way'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'israel had money and is friend of the usa, so they can do as they please.. the other side are terrorists and damned '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'justice is dictated by the guys at the top.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(come to IRC undernet, and i shall verbally rip your platform to shreds, as also shall others -- too much censorship here)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you can always be polite and say what you think'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you dont need to be rude or call names to other people, just because they dont agree with you'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anyone wanna buyin to the pool on who gets nuked next for overuse of drama?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Israel have money and military strength. If they wanted to commit genocide, WAY more palestinias would die'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think israel would want to commit active genocide though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'senseless killing always infringes upon a culture's sense of self'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess self-defense or pre-emptive action can work a bit though, they'd probably be more hesitant than other cultures have been'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''romanized' without much cultural identity etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'israel? hesitant to violence?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not violence, but systematic slaughter'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt any quicker or slower than the next westernised culture'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'which would mean not nearly as violent as the muslim arabic culture ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all muslim arabic cultures are violent'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mainly just the Sunnhi's'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'yeah, and Sunnhi are rare.... :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the Saudi's, Qatarians, the ruling party of Bahrain (though not the majority of the people)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'majority of Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'majority of pakistan and afghanistan'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the ones always hankering for jihad, the destruction of all non-muslims, and the setting up of a global islamic caliphate under Sharia law'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess which side USA allied with?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'USA was too busy worrying about communism.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's right! They allied with the murdering Sunnhi's against the minority Shia'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bollocks were they'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'if you meant in afghanistan'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'in Iraq, it was the oil I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything since the early 1990s, and especially since 2001'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'well, I thought you meant also way "back then"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'in the cold war days'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so let's take a look at the brand of islam present in the two countries USA is threatening now? Syria and Iran'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Shia!'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only vaguely moderate Islamic countries in the middle east. Go NATO!'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'ehm... right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And both of them just happen to be the ones starting most of the problems.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Syria and Iran, beacons of peace?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what war did Iran start?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iran attacked iraq 2x'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proxy war russians vs americans, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Iran is supplying Hamas with weapons. They are trying hard to get nukes, and their presindent has said he wants to use nukes against Israel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention the whole lets create a nuclear reactor without allowing the world to help out or oversee it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Iraq was the aggressor in the 1980-1988 war'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should they after the way the west treated them'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the iranians wont even allow Russia to control the fuel rods for the reactor to prove they dont want to make weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're fiercely independent, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can call it fiercely independent, I will call it typical whacko islam again.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it any different to the USA slipping nukes to Israel against UN resolutions?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they have the right to defend themselves against the whacko islamists.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Yes, there is one difference. Israel won't use those nukes unless someone else attack first. I wouldn't say the same about Iran.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i've always been reserved about syria and iran myself, when i see them mentioned on the news - i wonder why israel couldn't get along with them better without any kind of force'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Iran has the right to defend itself from outside aggression, and since USA/UK has FORM'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Mosaddegh'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is called MAD, if iran attacks israel, boom, there goes iran also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they do seem to want to be reasonable once in awhile'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i remember seeing a photo of some israeli rabbi's in iran even, talking with one of their leaders - and they weren't hostile to eachother'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were them seeing every country around them being toppled illegally by western forces, i'd be trying to get weaponary too'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but anywats, the sanctions are working....iranian oil production is down 50% and dropping.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran recently signed new oil deals with China and Russia'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll be fine, America will finally lose patience and invade, illegal or not, or they'll stage something'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they always do'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and we will talk the UK into helping us.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gulf of Tonkin etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, and it'll further bankrupt us helping'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and fuel the flames of hatred and so the wheel goes around'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas if we'd all just back off and leave them alone, there'd be no problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I doubt that'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? when's the last time a middle east country invaded USA?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we left them alone, Iran would take over the whole region.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the west?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran doesn't have the firepower to do that'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like Iraq would have done if we hadnt stopped them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh please :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'well, it was the last time they had the upper hand, I think? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Saudi Arabia would have wiped the floor with them'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things that concerns me most about the middle east is the idea of seeing everything around me enslaved under islam or communism - by force'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's the kind of scenario i keep in mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back during the first gulf war, saudi arabia was weak, iraq would have taken over in a week or less.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like how iraq took over kuwait in a couple days.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so looking at the dynamics like tiger's saying about the sunni and shiite, i think the situation should be examined more, who's content to be themselves and who wants to be everybody else etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kuwait is tiny'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so was the saudi military.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'saudi arabia is still pretty weak, the us presence aside. The major regional powers there are turkey, iran, israel, and egypt.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saudi's have been spending heavily with british military since the 80s'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have a very competent and up-to-date airforce'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'they buy a lot of weaponry from Sweden, also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'egypt at the time had a sizeable and well-resourced army'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should know, your tax payers dollars paid for most of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'been a lot of debate about us selling weapons to a totalitary regime in our media.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can have the best eq, but if you have questionable professionalism and morale, it'll all melt away at first contact.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you -are- a totalitarian regime, Homer'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Sweden? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry no,assumed you were a yank :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Sweden, just a fledgling police state'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately like Norway you have huge natural resources compared to the size of population, so it's one of the few places that a genuinely benevolent socialism can work'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'unlike Norway, we don't have oil. We have a lot of big export companies though, like Ericsson, Volvo, ABB... We have the mines and the woods, sure, but that won't cover it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for now'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'norway has north sea oil.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you also have huge amounts of landmass, huge scope for hydro energy'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Norway on the other hand, handled their shit like shit, and were almost bankrupt until they found oil.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'they didn't deserve it, then fukkahs! :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, if the money genuinely does run out, it'll be the ruin of you'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't remember who the quote was attributed to, but it said "Socialism is all well and good, but one day you run out of other people's money to spend"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost every country in the world has shale oil and gas deposits.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'haha good one :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i agree sonshi, it's good to have that sense of nationality and mutual responsibility that isn't defaced by fascism'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many gulf state countries have taxation/spending models that are socialist in nature, and it's all that's keeping the population going, but it only works because of the huge oil wealth'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'otherwise ther's money which pays off all common sense'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'export the model to somewhere like the UK and goes down like a lead balloon'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'What country A does doesn'y apply here because they've more resources than us. B, because they have less. C, because they're smaller. D, because they are bigger. E, because they are more urban, F, because they're more rural...'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nothing we can learn from other countries!'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not many people would consider tens or hundreds or thousands of years into the future, or maybe indefinitely, and see what kind of problems could arise while dispelling them to a reasonable degree, before making their decisions, when there's money to be made'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a deadly flaw of alot of people'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even me possibly, like the bolt thrower song'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's just afterwards'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and that people are like that in general is why socialism can't work.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'de-secularizing understanding of what goes on and showing people's rationality , trusting in their ability to comprehend views beyond bias (and teaching of common bias, and why they have a contestant), what is available to comprehend is a strategy that could work though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like how many people could become a rocket scientist today, or a scholar of any kind, or pursue some kind of a purpose in life?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not everybody's attracted to knowing it all, but people like to not be lied to by authority'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or purposefully kept stupid'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's the arguement of socialism we're working on'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's my understanding of democracy anyways, since birds and tar-covered polar bears can't speak for themselves, people can comprehend those things and deliberate among themselves the consequences and strategies of self-sufficiency'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think it was a plumber who figured out the way to stop that gulf oil leak'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i thought they should have tried the modified algae from norway to mop it up though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead of that chemical dispersant'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i also noticed they wanted to build a dam in the bering strait in the 1950's, to accellerate the melting of the arctic ocean'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i didn't know that back then but, now it makes a little more sense to me - it's just not agreeable with my priorities'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they "solved' the gulf-oil-spill by not finding where all that gushed oil went - "out of sight, out of mind"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you think they let it keep on pouring?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's another thing i considered, them cracks on the sea floor and things like that were pretty ominous'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably for a science experiment somehow related to climate change.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot poured out before the leak was stopped '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those are normal, Chemosh.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some "idiot" said that the oil simply "dissolved" into the water'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's how they make gasoline isn't it?  lake of fire conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they meant dispersed'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'correction (by Hanslanda):  some "idiot" said that the oil simply "dispersed" into the water  '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unbelievable - "dispersed"'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'spread so thin as to either be undetectable by most applications, legally allowable per agreed-upon safety levels, or unable to be cleaned up due to volume and area constraints (ie, trying to filter the ENTIRE gulf of mexico)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yet they are able to detect PCBs in Ocean water'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's worrying that they push those levels instead of staying away from them like a redline on a engine taking you through the middle of the desert'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i heard, last century, that PCBs were for keeps'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they used PCB liquid as an electrical insulator liquid in electricity transmission equipment'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and for some reason, they decided to dump a lot of that PCB into the Oceans'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pcb is good for you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth lies'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'as long as you don't swollow it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and nuclear waste is good as long as you keep away from the radiation ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those aquatic animals at the top of the food chain were subjected to PCB hell'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'humans like to eat fish -- so Humans are also near the top of the PCB food chain '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'these days, a human seafood gourmet must be careful where the seafood is from, or risk ingesting extra quantities of various dumped pollutants '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pollutants are good for you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'as long as you don't eat them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad for animals, bad for karma -- god is eventually going to get angry'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of chocolate is going to double next year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'even peanut butter cups?'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll worry about it if i get there'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and why is the price of chocolate going to change'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has already doubled in the last 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because most of the chocolate of the world is grown by slave children in west africa.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for less than 80 cents a day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen an article once of a south/central american country who wanted to advertise their non-brand name chocolate in canada and wasn't very well received by teh news interviews'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen no problem with the concept going to the people who produce instead of the people who hold stocks in wall street'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some companies like hersheys have been replacing cocoa butter with vegetable oil in their chocolate to keep the price lower, but it changes the flavor and affect of it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's because the cacao bean is being threatened by climate change'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are they going to pay them more, or are the manufacturers going to simply claim that paid somebody more'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good thing the FDA made a ruling on chocolate though....you can't call it chocolate if it has less than a certain % of cocoa butter in it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they could pay a pretty reasonable amount and still satisfy workers'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'naive '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a matter of trillionairres though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'paying the slave-owners does not necessary translate to paying the slave children more'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'slave-owners aren't workers'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people-they decide should organize them are though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and usually they don't covet that title above popular vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the exploiters pay the children'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't get me started on displaying how exploitable people are cause they're vulnerable and ignorant'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some deception's ok, but when it hinders mortal life not so much'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'life if i was to say to you the opposite of what i mean, or some combination'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i could exact in you a feeling of hatred'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because i wanted to study it'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with you instead of without you though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what you all think of chinese drills off the coast of taiwan simulating invasion every year? '
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kind of ominous but so is america's invasion of other countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i read in bbc that they was being flanked by chinese subs though, so how independent their invasions was is a question is have'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'taiwain isn't america though'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i wondered about it,, they seem to get sent wherever they're told'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'France isnt Germany'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think if germany conquered france, the red army would have raped both by now'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that's the root of communism, (look up who karl marx is) and lenin'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'check this out -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Destroy_the_old_world_Cultural_Revolution_poster.png get your students to justify it for a study'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'always nice to see what defined a people destroyed for unknown progress defined by a foreign ideology'
T3/r7/2013-01-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not really, but mine's basically obliterated'
T3/r7/2013-01-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Communist_Party,_USA The RCP has written that the United States "is a country founded on genocide and slavery" and that the RCP has a "special challenge and responsibility to make revolution, at the earliest possible time, right within the belly of this most powerful imperialist beast." -> thanks to not learning about history more , communism's corpse piles don't matter to them , as they 'learn from the past' -> only countries i read about with active death-camps are communists'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does anybody else find it odd that the allies who fought against the nazi's require training in supplication to the people they apparently saved?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center i guess asking that question's racism to them though'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just noticed this group from a news article http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/wiesenthal-list-of-top-anti-semites-triggers-debate-in-germany-a-875774.html which mentioned them'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i looked it up, it says 'New York Tolerance Center is a professional development multi-media training facility targeting educators, law enforcement officials, and state/local government practitioners.' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Wiesenthal_Center'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just one of those things that are seen as sterotypes i guess, but it's a question i have - maybe one of you have some insight into the situation more'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'always seems to be some kind of a thought-conformity school in charge of everything'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it's not one thing it's another'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'freedom's only ok so long as it's stupid and doesn't ask decent questions - in those cases i guess it's just a matter of placing a virulent halo around the intended consequence'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was training all the politicians and stuff in my non re-education facility i wouldn't be surprised if somebody wondered why'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( freedom is an illusion. In a closed system there is no such thing. The Universe is a closed system. )
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's ok though, call it racism or whatever else, i'm just being a typical moron asking privledged questions that are of a higher species than me'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah that's true, always some kind of a limitation on things'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in this world of man though, most of them are enforced by man - that're either subconsciously or directly enforced'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'instead of natural limits like if i jump i probably won't land on the moon'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'man's world values ignorance alot, so does satan's bible - people who know nothing like computer programs don't realize the potter crushing them'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was brought up on the assumption that i'm basically every kind of mental illness on earth, inferior species etc, so i got an excuse why i'm ignorant - people who know better might know less though - like this game can be seen as a bolt thrower song 'the killchain' and a human experimentation without any kind of a non-malevolent purpose'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'studying former human experimentations without non-malevolent purposes and discussing their perpetrators/theoretically or otherwise seemed like a natural things to do'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can you name one concept that hasn't been taken lightly by some mass-media program?  art can include alot of concepts in it that people don't like to look at, but often have to cope with anyways - there's a kind of opinion that the internet transmitting some bad / unwanted concepts could challenge the de-facto standard of thought hailed by their lord, but really what does they find valuable seeing what kind of ordinary disgust is practiced on a daily media basis?  only concepts coming from a low-man, quoted as non-authoritative by himself without a position of authority - but they see it as a challenge to their god-ness, the 'image of the beast' as they put it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is how you shall look at this subject, violation mind control - censorship of thoughts is a pretty ungodly form of government'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'accepting what we don't like is fairly ordinary, some people see different things they don't like'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whether imaginary or real, as long as there's no depth to their consideration's it's an ok fiction, because it is controllable by the status quo who isn't as easily swayed as often - add some depth though and then there's the thought-police - because non-intelligence doesn't want to battle the fear with words, as it possibly can't'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that and some people before birth even have declared your entire race to be a animal, who hasn't suffered enough, on occasion - this is a problem that i never perpetrated myself, the blind racism / nationalism / secularianism without any room for negotiation, like observation to the contrary - lots of these people settle on faith'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's interesting to see, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with, for the sake of debate. In taking this position, the individual taking on the devil's advocate role seeks to engage others in an argumentative discussion process.  -- The office was established in 1587 during the reign of Pope Sixtus V and abolished by Pope John Paul II in 1983. This reform changed the canonization process considerably, helping John Paul II to usher in an unprecedented number of elevations: nearly 500 individuals were canonized and over 1,300 were beatified during his tenure as Pope as compared to only 98 canonizations by all his 20th-century predecessors.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like the phrase 'gaslighting''
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i thought it was just a movie with keanu reeves in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gaslighting is a form of psychological torture, but is also a method of media propoganda and spin'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like NDAA, when Obama repeatedly said he wouldn't sign it (despite his lawyers drafting it) then saying when it passed, he'd veto it so there'd be no opposition, then signing it anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the media and government claiming over and over again that they don't want to confiscate guns, then put forward legislation that would do just that, then say "this bill doesn't call for gun confiscation"'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or like saying "the 2nd ammendment is about hunting"'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not like devil's advocate, it's different'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit like the Uk government saying that plans to record and monitor everyone's internet activity isn't an invasion of privacy'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'big brother says it is already done ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government says it, must be true, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'eschelon ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'most sties datamine to some point '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'free gamesits view an active email addy as gold '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'it's all spin to buy time imo'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who buying time for what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'for the practice to become entrenched - for holes in opponents arguments to appear and in general to extend the useful life of a fiscally beneficial practice ? is my best guess '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, general point'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz Tiggy I came in late '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, people then get used to the practice'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people catch on and start using it themselves, thinking it's a valid method of debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'delay - difuse - disorientate'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar method, but different to the practice of deliberately misinterpreting an argument and twisting it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'misrepresenting people's view then dissing it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(i see that a lot on here)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and then the needy just pile on  becase of percieved weakness'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol yeah '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the needy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you shouldn't make those ridiculous straw man arguments'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and not on this chann either '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'care to elaborate, vost?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost sighs.
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'case in point :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'TzHi Tiggy :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I'm glad '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz to hijack an argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Hi Vost :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost gallantly tips his hat.
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'long time no joust :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so where's Yuna and his crew of screwballs to scream shout and stomp feet?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I'm waiting for R to chann bann me actually :) being so overt '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I am here'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then don't do whatever it is you aren't supposed to do'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'but until then I enjoy your company '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'create an alt to escape a chann bann ? nah thats not my style :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you should stop talking'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'so where were we at ? or new thread ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thread was finished without contention'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ergo ? new thread ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have nothing new to talk about'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Aww I know you better than that mate '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll leave it up to you and Vost to expose your bonnet with bees'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did Hugo Chavez keel over fully yet?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Vost - pale moonlight - care to dance ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost sends Thatangel across the dance floor.
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz ignorance but Hugo ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ok love the "pink tide" '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'coined from a failed tampon commercial ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lovely'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'modern day Jose Guvara ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i liked Fred Guvara who turned up at Occupy Tavistock complaining that the government had been trying get him to do things using a mind control parrot and ice cream'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and my tampon idea was that whacky ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS bought another 200,000 rounds of ammunition just recently, to add to the 1,600,000,000 rounds they have already purchased since the beginning of 2011'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you a socialist Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the conventional understanding of the word, t'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'it's Tz and I think I lean that way too '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ok loves n hates of socialism ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern socialism is largely incompatible with freedom and liberty'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I think that economic rationalism has left little space for either left or right '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i agree with that to a large extent, and it's a problem because they've used the crisis as a intellectual straitjacket'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you hark on "state control" ? the antithisis of freedom ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'state control, pertaining to central government control as opposed to specifically american state control, is evil and should be minimised as far as pragmatically possible'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz - unpack your statement fully please ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but we see ALL the traffic is the other direction, usually under the auspices of some false premise'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what part do you want me to unpack?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the crisis as an intellectual straightjacket - would you speak to that pls ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts prods Thatangel into action!
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yeah I know '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I was looking for an elequent platform for it and who better to provide one ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the projected left-right paradigm (you know that ideology, even just limited to political ideology cannot be expressed on a single axis, it's multidimensional) over the last 20 years everyone has charged to the 'centre ground' as a means to try and appeal to the most people'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now we have a crisis, and regardless of how parties are dressed, they tend to tout the same solutions to the problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'LCD lowest common denominator'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't really matter that their solutions will not/have not solved any problems'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but since everyone 'mainstream' is in the 'middle', no alternative solutions will be considered'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ergo, an intellectual straitjacket'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'now take what is left (not Left) but what is now viewed as extremist'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything not considered mainstream is considered extremist, by definition - it's how they justify stifling debate and alternative solutions'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is there anything to be gleaned from any form of it given we have stripped it back and demonized it ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not because it -is- extreme, or wouldn't work, or is bad in any form, it's just not something they want to do and are going to use that label as an excuse not to have to consider it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'demonising and ridiculing, we see that a lot - you saw some newpaper in NJ?NYC? publishing the addresses of all gun permit holders in their newspaper (stupid move), so some blogger/hacker released the names and addresses of all the newspaper employees. They didn't like that and had to hire armed guards'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you perhaps miss my point - now we know what is mainstreme and there is no debate - are there any elements of so called extremism we can adopt iyo that would make the situation better ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet some legislators are considering giving newspapers legal backing to publish addresses of gun owners'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'like publishing known whereabouts of sex offenders .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never agreed with that either'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'either , so they DO go to far in freedom of speech .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government publishing 'list' containing private information is not freedom of speech'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom of speech is a personal freedom, not a corporate one'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'fine line if I am individually effected and have the information individually ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in response to your point about alternative approaches - somewhat irrelevent question given the vice-like grip that the criminals have on the system'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'corporations are considered individuals though, i read somewhere, why corporations can own other corporations and things like that, possibly similar to plausible deniability concept, which imaginary person will pay for this?  (at least this is one way i think of it)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy I respect you too much to chase in circles , perhaps we will stick to one line of thought in a future converstaion ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I am sorry to have been so unfocused '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the UK where I live, the start of a solution would be pull out of the EU, get a written constitution and bill of rights, re-evaluate all existing laws and systems against this puropse and abolish/combine/keep as required'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'massive simplification of tax system and government machinery'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the US? take a leaf out of Ron Paul's book, push control most stuff from the feds back to the States. Abolish unconstitutional laws like the NDAA, abolish a bunch of crook departments like TSA, DEA, DHS. Abolish the CIA and roll it's function into the Military.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pull out of foreign wars'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stick the troops on the Mexican border if you feel the need to keep them occupied'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for Australia? Arrest Al Gore and abolish carbon taxation'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a hold of China buying up all your resources'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debate needs new blood'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA, new federal law will ban the production and sale of 75W light bulbs'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'why'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they like to write pointless law dictating how you run your life'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already did it here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what justification are -they- giving? green credentials/environment'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kinda despite the fact that people will naturally buy energy saving lightbulbs as the technology improves and the price comes down'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus making legislation entirely unnecessary'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting developments in the John McAfee case'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '"Everything that is connected to fascism should be wiped off the face of the earth. No one should even know that place ever existed," Solovyov told Izvestia. http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/russian-mp-wants-to-buy-and-destroy-hitler-house-in-braunau-a-866737.html -- this comes from a lawmaker, in the worldwide legacy of thoughtcrimes and cult of personalities prevalent in communist nations, which are apparently less evil'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't see how erasing the real history of things makes anything better'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the victors write the history, chemosh'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.whoismcafee.com/a-clear-and-present-danger/ bt'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will be interesting to see what he puts out there'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's only a building though, nothing wrong with destroying a building reflectively - it's suppressing the truth of history and fighting battles with force instead of comprehension that bothers me'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wouldn't erase history if i was in charge of some kind of a war, i'd explain why the war was fought and show my way being better than theirs'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think anyways, always nice to hide things though when they're uncomfortable - the violent nature surrounding history and question is pretty suspect though - maybe they're not sure they're right either'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how about teaching people about the dynamics of fascist psychology so they don't fall prey to the same intellectual (or anti) devices?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and things like that, if they're not using them then they shouldn't need to hide them'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well. impractical - you are not going to be able to single-handedly, simultaneously change the way that proganda in the media and in government-mandate teaching is used worldwide'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course not, but it's a question that highlights their approach to things'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you can do is at a local level'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not into running cults or thinking i know it all'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'most of my knowledge is in the form of questions and inquiry's'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-admits-enslaving-and-abusing-a-generation-of-children-2159589.html is interesting to consider, ' Between 1945 and 1970, the worst educational practices of the Nazi era continued virtually unabated in these barrack like foster homes. ' with ' One victim, who refused to be named, recalled in a radio interview this week that a standard foster home punishment for talking at night was being made to stand naked in an unheated corridor until a freshly lit new candle had burned itself out. "It meant standing naked all night," he said. ''
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i imagine the punishment for not standing would be pretty nazi-era too, what do you think'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Vost for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what spam?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tough to feel sorry for history sometimes, especially when you didn't have a hand in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder what happened to the parents of the children, how long their candles burned for'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tough to imagine how much of a coward you'd have to be to let your kids be treated like that, or to 'procreate' in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so , likely they didn't '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'typically if your kid is in a foster home it's because you didn't want them'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i won't go into much of a lengthly question mark, but here's another thing i noticed: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9781976/Angela-Merkel-pictured-with-blacked-up-children.html (typo): http://www.npr.org/2011/03/29/134956180/criminals-see-their-victims-as-less-than-human While the architects of the Final Solution were busy implementing their lethal program of racial hygiene, the Russian-Jewish poet and novelist Ilya Ehrenburg was churning out propaganda for distribution to Stalin's Red Army. These pamphlets seethed with dehumanizing rhetoric: they spoke of "the smell of Germany's animal breath," and described Germans as "two-legged animals who have mastered the technique of war"  "ersatz men" who ought to be annihilated. "The Germans are not human beings," Ehrenburg wrote, "... If you kill one German, kill another  there is nothing more amusing for us than a heap of German corpses."'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost freaks out, screaming "Oh My Bot!"
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'walt disney's education of evil cartoon portrayed germany according to the (pearl harbour witness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZCgbXxlVuE mentions that the planes looked like their own except when they seen the rising sun on the wings) views of also a jewish author (possibly bolshevik conspiracy theories) so it seems like they were instrumental in the cause of ww2 somehow'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's seen the very ideology that people hate the nazi's for, except is it really theirs?  at least it seemed to be shared'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's seen the very ideology that people hate the nazi's for, except is it really theirs?  at least it seemed to be shared'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the thing about the nazis that made them different is that they were able to very effectively ignore the embargoes AND were able to win handily (which doesn't really happen, ever, if all you're doing is depending on technology).'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen some articles on the Stasi too, not sure what west germany had in it - but the stasi liked to take children away from disparaging parents of nonconformity, or for fun maybe'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the USA does that now, as does the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN child sex trafficking is alive and well'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice the media is putting out pieces about flu'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like they're going for a "scare people into taking flu shots"'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'legally, don't need to report deaths from the flu for anyone age 18 or older'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's essentially a big advertising campaign for the vaccine vendors. They don't care if it doesn't really work'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what makes you so sure it doesn't really work?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm, effectiveness studies?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you probably never had the flu, then, ever.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it reduces your odds of getting flu by 9%. Tey only give it to risk groups here because they know it screws up your immune system'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course i've had flu'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'getting a flu shot doesn't make you sick.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually gettinga  flu shot can very easily make you sick'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, that stopped happening about 15-20 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still happens now'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Studies show that in older people who do not live in a care facility, the flu vaccine can cut the risk of hospitalization (for flu and pneumonia) by 30% to 70%.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you're getting your flu boost via a needle, you cannot ever get the flu from it'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a flu epedemic most winters, just like there's always a novoro virus spike this time of year'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the elderly are a risk group'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they use a dead virus in those, and your body doesn't fight invasions of dead viruses.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what they use varies from brand to brand'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you get your booster via a nasal spray, that's live.  You could potentially get sick from that, but in its weakened state it's only even remotely likely for anyone with a compromised system.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a gigantic cash cow'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not because it's ineffective.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's exaggerated'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a cash cow because the flu virus is basically the horny rabbit of the pathogen world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the nasal spray boosters are probably safer than all the others'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, if you're fit and healthy and have a good diet, flu vaccines are pretty pointless'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Pointless, no.  But you're correct in that they are not as necessary.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it would depend on your particular life.  Healthcare would need them more, even when fit and healthy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'your average desk jockey wouldn't, though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even vital for medical staff except maybe on a preservation of service front'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Not vital, but the potential benefits sure as hell outweigh the potential drawbacks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like about balanced to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Democrat Representative Jose Serrano has submitted to committee a resolution to repeal 22nd ammendment to allow Obama to have unlimited stints as president'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly sod'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'chance of it passing while obama is still in office 0.00000000000000001%'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'constitutional ammendments require 66% majority, i believe?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'snopes claims he's proposed the same amendment every 2 years since 1997, including the 8 years bush was in office'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy is clearly a retard'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'something like that, and then 2/3rds of the state have to ratify it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's good reason for having that ammendment, and Russia shows you why'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'no doubt.  Hell, I'd like to see term limits on congressmen too'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'we got amendment after FDR held the office for a long time and most people still like him.  The term limit for president is a good idea. '
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ageed'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't have that issue here - don't have presidents'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'There is no libertarian voice in congress anymore now that RP has gone'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/business/despite-new-health-law-some-see-sharp-rise-in-premiums.html?hp&_r=3&'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'toilet paper of record, no less'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://myfox8.com/bid'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poll finds american students more narcissistic than ever before'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, congress passed $67 billion per year in pork with the tax bill on friday.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's all?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think your parliament is about as competent as the UK's'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, thats all :('
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, "in"'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe Congress is finally kicking that spending habit...'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by "not reducing spending"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, not really.....it extended programs that already existed.....congress was looking for a way to extend them without doing a new bill to extend them...the taxbill was a convenient bill to attack the pork to.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'attach even'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How about they shave off some billions off the U.S. military budget? Why not cut THAT kind of spending?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'baby steps, Tiger, baby steps'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe UK law prevents unrelated things being tagged onto bills, perhaps the US should look at that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would stop them trying to sneak gun bans onto unrelated things'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But then they would have to work for their salary. :('
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't want to work for their salary? sack em'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instead of doing nothing for most of the year, and then passing a bill on the last day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You're confusing not doing anything with being unable to come to an agreement on what to do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They didn't just sit around eating Cheetoz 'til the last day of the year (or rather, the first day of the new year).'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the supreme court said the line item veto was unconstitutional.....:(  That is how clinton controlled certain spending programs while raising taxes on the rich.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shame the supreme court can't get their arse into gear over other unconstitutional things like FISA, and NDAA'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're just as badly infiltrated by incompetents, plants, and retards as the houses are'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they had a valid point, though.  With line-item veto, you'd be giving the executive branch the ability to make laws by way of editing out the parts they didn't want to sign off on.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then don't allow your executive to edit'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allow them to veto or send back with comments'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't rocket surgery'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we don't allow them to edit.  When Clinton was in office, they got the line-item passed but that didn't last long.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's what they do now, tiger...'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'certain governors have the ability still, however.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, it's pretty normal for states'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'medical errors caused nearly 17 times as many deaths in the US last year than firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ban the doctors not the guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Portugal PM calls for an end to the EU/IMF troika insisting on higher taxes as they are resulting in lower tax revenue and declining output'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/04-01-2013/123380-global_warming-0/'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'hehe pravda'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an amusing piece that characterises western policy quite well'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amuses me as much as the reaction you always get when you post a link to a media source that isn't a left-wing USA tabloid'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as if they're the most reliable unbiased sources in the known universe'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why isn't Pat Buchanon dead yet?'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rachel Maddow does look like the stereotypical man-hating lesbian....'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's not dead yet because we have juicier targets to shoot at like Gabriel Giffords and random schoolchildren.'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was hoping old age would take him'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mind you, there are worse out there :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, i'm warming to Pat now ;_)'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but Rachel Maddow can go to hell'
T3/r7/2013-01-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crazy affirmative action loving tit monkey'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Scientists have devised a new method of cooling down antimatter to make it easier to experiment on than ever before.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We didn't start the fire.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Final Countdown -- Europe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'DO DO DOOO DOOO'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'DUH DUH DO DO DOOOO'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'DO DO DOOO DOOO'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'DUH DUH DO DO DO DO DOOOOOO'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I miss the hair bands.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Motley Crue is the best'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'DEF LEPPARD'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but actually, Van Halen pioneered the 80s'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Used to love sitting in Art class in high school and listening to hair bands in the late 80s.....Cinderella, Babylon A.D, or Queensryche, plus many more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Babylon A.D is a band that should have gone far, but didn't.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I tell you what, Kip Winger could actually shred'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What about Anvil?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no matter what Mike Judge thought of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, Winger was good also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ah-ha a huge one hit wonder group.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh A-ha.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A Flock of Seagulls helped create the synth pop revolution, and the use of synthesizers in music.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'tears for fears are great in that vein'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mad World is Tears for Fears best song in my opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia rapidly nods twice at Rizgoth, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All you need is now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Randa Slim, a research fellow at the New America Foundation in Washington, said Assad's made clear he has no intention of making way for a political transition. http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/01/06/syria.html so is google in on the non-search engine business now?  'U.S. State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said in a statement that Assad's speech was "yet another attempt by the regime to cling to power and does nothing to advance the Syrian people's goal of a political transition."' -> interesting, article seemed reasonable to me though, he wanted to speak to the 'revolution's idea' instead of subordinates -> too bad people always want to go to war so much'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know them though, just what i read in the news and looked up on the google'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'could be hell there though, i don't know - most places with a government sure resemble it, they know what's best'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/spiegel-interview-with-hanna-rosin-on-the-new-gender-crisis-a-875639.html the 'dear leader' progress the ancestors fought for, too bad the luddites were obsoleted before the future'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some of them fought against it, so it's not all bad in hindsight'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'crazy, In December 2004 he introduced the controversial term "Köttberg" ("Mountain of meat") to describe the baby boomer generation (born in the 1940s) during a speech. This speech addressed the potential pension bomb Sweden is facing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A4r_Nuder  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_Day  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20622289  1951  The Twenty-second Amendment to the United States Constitution, limiting Presidents to two terms, is ratified. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_27 http://www.examiner.com/article/presidential-term-limits-bill-reintroduced-to-repeal-22nd-amendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'commy/seems lots of jews like to be commies, marx was one - mao was inspired by him and lenin, who inspired north korea who google's having interviews with and changing their chinese censoring software to conform to the economic opportunity (possibly this is only an ideology of jews, and they're not all malevolent people)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'skull and bones, you can see alot of these 3 varieties of people, tracing their origins, to interconnection with several undesirable situations in the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'extremist muslims're pretty bad too though, sometimes it seems they work together, however the catholics are unaffiliated with things'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'another grouping that has alot of influencial people in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just notice what is there to be noticed, if you see otherwise then what is it, they just kind of greedy'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'whatever kind of wolves they are'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''Old Right' is more the kind of nationalism that defends against them'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'usually that's considered socialism i guess, but that's been subverted by communists - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Right_%28United_States%29  is a branch of American conservatism that was most active in the early 20th Century and opposed both New Deal domestic programs of the 1930s and U.S. entry into World War I and World War II. .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-imperialism ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess germany exporting it's elderly http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/26/german-elderly-foreign-care-homes isn't to Köttberg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A4r_Nuder as obviously is implied by the people who run things'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'tracing their origins, the relatively small numbers puppetting the many'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can always say they took me by surprise though, because they think they're sneaky and i wouldn't want to upset them on their beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mock terror, who's offended by they're still there?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'huddle around my sensititivities'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting choice for Defence secretary'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WT reports Obama Supporters shocked and angry at new tax increases'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fantastic strapline: "Sometimes, watching a Democrat learn something is wonderful, like seeing the family dog finally sit and stay at your command."'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he seems to have some 'old right' ideas, but http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/31/chuck-hagel-big-problem-realist-iran?intcmp=239 i noticed he's inspired by a 1907 nebraska person in the article - http://cnsnews.com/news/article/iran-reminds-students-anti-americanism-national-and-religious-duty so the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee kind of stuff will be something to behold -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Right_%28United_States%29 that's why i thought he was an interesting person'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen some articles about cold-war era soviet preaching in iran and things like that in various places'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's probably a move designed at pissing off the GOP, since Hagel isn't exactly a GOP favourite'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hagel -was- critical of Iraq invasion, but he's been a stooge ever since'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm naturally repelled by cult-of-personality, people who think they're too holy, the bloodstained concept of communism - i would have liked to be born in a non-zealot world'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you weren't, so best make the best of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'retail gun and ammo shortages are being reported across america due to overwhelming demand'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://banoosh.com/2013/01/07/bolivia-says-us-meddles-in-its-affairs/'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'priceless'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and fresh off the back of pissing off their voters who work, democrats eye an additional $1 trillion in extra taxation'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US meddles in a bunch of South American affairs, Ranoosh, attempted coupe in Venezuela, attempted coup in Ecuador'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fast and Furious gun running to Mexico'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now we're hearing evidence of Belize giving passports out to Hezbollah militants that are bedding in with the drugs traffickers to get access to the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a demagogue (aka also some zealots) that says wants to be born in a world that without zealots (aka also some demagogues) -- sounds like a contradiction or a disease wanting to infect the nondemagogue nonzealot worlds -- also seems a case of demagogue egocentricity and megalomania perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately Obama picks Brennan for CIA Head, despite all the bad shit he did working there under B ush'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like whatever freud interprets your dreams as, remember the details'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'So, a lying, torture endorsing executioner who expressly believes that spying on the American people and detention without trial are sound government policies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'egocentric demagogues are annoying twerps'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'egocentric demagogues are annoying twits ? (except twitter provided respectibility to "twits")'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who do you think is a demogogue?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think he's a demagogue and trying to project himself onto others, like other things'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'diane feinstein is a demogogue'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hrm, "twerper" for "twerps" to "twerp" (and provide internet "respectibility?" to twerps)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'piers morgan is a demogogue'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'part of a hypocrite church mayhap, who gets by in the world through deception and guaranteed subservience'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is a closet republican ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, a closet communist'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'republicans are closet fascists'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'republicans are not socialists, so republicans are worse than fascists, and by extension, worse than Nazis'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't follow that'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is because you Tigernuts are a closet republican'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wish'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a closet republican posing as an alleged libertarian'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take your trolling back to IRC :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'IRC is the big boys debating club! .. (Come to IRC while qsitting) ..  [maybe only the "wannabe" big boys debating club, when compared to actual interaction in actual politics and actual news media)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no thanks'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not if that's the level of interaction'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well just go around calling people gay'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'an unmoderated debate tends to turn immature. I don't see why anyone except a troll would want to come to irc to talk to you Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nah, call them "homosexual" when they are obviously homosexual, (not gay); (or "gay" when there is yet doubt)  '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and troll when...'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen an article once about http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8077326/Bill-Clinton-lost-vital-White-House-nuclear-codes.html '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '.... their name is Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder what the odds of those being re-secured are, if they're non-communist/affiliates in control of them, or other religious extremist groupings'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you be flooded out by other more vocal trolls (if you were looking for Zade) (Zade be sitting back munching the virtual popcorn) (in another channel)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen china parading some around on a website the other day'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'got them on trucks or something'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, popcorn Chemosh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'almost anything said on IRC is going to be challenged (unless in a "preaching-to-the-choir" room, or a "dead-or-inane" room)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'finding "lively" rooms, that is the first IRC task'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'farting on them is your second IRC task?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.sinodefence.com/strategic/nuclear.asp'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'found it on wiki or google search'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, give us a shout if a debate starts'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how come the 'sum of all fears' was a nazi getting revenge being the bad guy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the movie'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chwmosh, was the movie produced by jews or those seeking to please jews -- that may explain the plot bias with regard to "a nazi getting revenge being the bad guy"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on the bad guy is your interpretation ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The avg mpg of vehicles in the US is up to 23.8 mpg.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you spelled it chwmosh on purpose, in order to deciminate yourself from the bolt thrower's of the future'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'similarly, Wikipedia is pro-jewish (as per your prior observation (or complaint?)), since the founder is likely jewish, a lot of the funding is likely jewish, a lot of the *educated* contributors and editors are likely jewish -- if you want to contribute to Wikipedia with a (nonjewish?) opinion, you better smarten up and get educated'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, that was a typo, Chemosh'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure, and you claimed to be a soviet the other day'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'didn't*'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't need log files to remember things, unlike you who only works for death-panels'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to "smarten up" and get an "education", you may require to debate against those that are able and willing to challenge the inaccuracies you (attempt to) spout here on aard-debate -- hence the IRC suggestion'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'get educated, how come i could uncover so many designs that nobody's education could discover, since i looked'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'says alot about paying your jewish overlords to learn'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even (especially) the "idiots" on IRC are able to provide "imnnovative" examples of how to poke flaws (using ludicrous inane (often deliberately) flawed logic) in a "platform" a wannabe author is attempting to describe'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'people who want to be authors think their words are worth money and they're of non-delusional intellect'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and imagination'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'me, i don't care at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'all i react to is your projected judgements sometimes, but that's because you attempt to encompass me in your speech'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i do it verbally instead of burning down churches and things that others might have done, like hunting aliens for stephen hawking on CNN'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'xxxx tells you 'Why are you even attempting to reason with Chemosh?' -- Chemosh is what is called a "(fools?) goldmine" on IRC in dying debate chasnnels -- Chemosh is an excuse to debate (against the innacuracies posted by Chemosh) -- mine that iron pyrite?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, fools like painting faces black for cultural values who didn't suffer enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can smell the kind of person sending zade tells without even smelling them'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'vocal honest nontroll nutters are able to be a valuable resource on IRC in initiating debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty dangerous aren't they, but they're flimsy like a loon'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 38 mpg hyundai elantra for 2013 is nice....the base model has air conditioning and automatic transmission now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much is the cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the elantra rust resistant or a projected rust bucket'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my 8yr old Astra gets 47mpg'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why buy something less efficient?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ww2/Overlord.html is interesting, i wonder if it's authentic, i was looking if anybody mentioned jewish overlords before and that website popped up'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'because in america, fuel is cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'd just mean i spent even less on fuel'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Yes, and that's why I don't even own a car ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You also spent more for your car in the UK than US people do for the same car.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i couldn't walk the 56 mile round trip to work every day'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'or, mostly because I dont need one'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe, i got it used'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$8000 at 3yrs old'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'if you ride 56 miles every work day, then I see why fuel efficiency is a big matter for you ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Allies also coordinated with the French Resistance, but did not give them too much information for fear that the organization might be compromised by traitors. The resistance helped disrupt German lines of communication and sabotaged vital bridges and railways.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'odd, the bad hitler resisted by the french who the allies suspected didn't want to resist'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that do not drive much (the retired) are more concerned about durability, reliability, safety, cheapness to maintain and repair, vehicular(long)lifespan, insurance costs, (not worried about fuel costs)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And they kept the wine flowing....that is the more important aspect.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Churchill and Roosevelt were hesitant because they believed any attempt to land troops in Western Europe would result in heavy casualties. Stalin, however, didn't trust his allies, and feared they might sign a peace agreement with Adolf Hitler and, perhaps, turn their attention to crushing the communist system in the Soviet Union. Stalin also knew that it would be difficult for his troops to defeat the Germans without the United States fighting them in Europe. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/ww2/Overlord.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still prefer my natgas car.....$1.67 per gallon of natgas equiv.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A local shop wants $1800 to convert my dodge ram truck to natgas though....but I am really leaning towards doing it...'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The Congress decisively rejects terrorism, i.e., the system of individual political assassinations, as being a method of political struggle which is most inexpedient at the present time, diverting the best forces from the urgent and imperatively necessary work of organisation and agitation, destroying contact between the revolutionaries and the masses of the revolutionary classes of the population, and spreading both among the revolutionaries themselves and the population in general utterly distorted ideas of the aims and methods of struggle against the autocracy.  http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin doesn't it seem like the only revolutions which succeed in the media, or even in immediate view, are repulsive and very exclusive, which derives support for the government?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or else like he's saying, very shallow, not well felt/believed or understood - and if so, not given the same media?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''Grover Cleveland, 22nd president, was the first one to leave the country while in office.  But he didn't really go anywhere: while on a fishing trip he sailed into international waters three miles off the U.S. coast and came right back.''
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so like that ww2 overlord meeting which provided the cold war and possible eventual worldwide false-revolutions, could have been prevented too possibly, depending what stimulants they had'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like that old right political idea's though, they make more sense from a leading a nation perspective'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'posts that exceed 948 bytes are annoying'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pants that exceed 33 inches are annoying.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''Herbert Hoover was the first president to have a telephone in his office.  Earlier, presidents who wanted to use a phone had to use the one in the hall.' - possibly this is part of the reason for the mass-technological exodus in the world, since that was probably a measure to put the president in earshot of his non-absolute power'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the text editor here complains when reloading lines exceeding 1000 bytes'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'flimsy reason for a "mass-exodus", and reeks of verbal diarrea'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a natgas Dodge Ram 1500 would be cool.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not really, depending how much you think of it, it can be as convincing a reason as the next level that it's a part of'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ridiculous conjectures spread ignorance among children and the uneducated '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stupid weather alert.....flash flood warning, but there is not a rain cloud within 100 miles.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'meltwater'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas doesnt get meltwater.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'glacial melting by global warming is that bad that flood-warnings are happening ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe you should teach them better then'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you get those arroyo flood things, don't you.  Dry as an old lady's snatch all year long, then an ocean bungie jumps in from a rolling black cloud.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe a watermain broke, or a drilling geyser spouted'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe Texas got so big it's starting to sink?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The north american continent is slowly rising, not sinking. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a dam collapse is sure to cause a local flood down river'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like in that sci-fi book titled Flood, where the Earth sprung a leak and the continents sank.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and where did the water go ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a new dam built and started is sure to cause local flooding up river'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it went up.  It came from inside the Earth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so it evaporated ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sub-crustal reservoirs that generated steam that lubricated the tectonic plates as they moved.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if religious folk and their yokel children believe in the OT, they are likely to find those fiction books and movies of "Flood"s credible'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they didn't evaporate.  Events like megadrilling into the crust and climate change caused fissures to open up that let the reservoirs escape.  Earth quite literally sprung a leak.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the crustal water was under pressure ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, the tectonic plates were sitting on them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'normal water wells have little pressure I think.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some religious folk believe that the Noah Flood waters that covered Mount Everest actually sank into the ground - almost unbelievable that some religious folk are able to be that ignorant (in science) '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I thought tectonic plates sit on top of molten rock.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the top of everest was once under the sea'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it will be again someday....everest is sinking.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there IS some water down there.  Where do you think the geysers come from?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some daft people think government SHOULD have a monopoly on power'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and water is the universal lubricant...'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the geysers in Yellowstone were formed because the magma caldera is close to the surface....and someday will explode and cover north america with feet of ash.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'overdue, geologically, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, could happen anytime.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'there's been like 2 eruptions in the last million years, so it's really hard to say when the next will be due'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheery thought'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'overdue in the sense that it should have happened by now, not that doom rushes down upon us with ever-increasing speed the longer it goes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a shame really, because it's not north america that -has- the population crisis'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and there's a lot of evidence that it won't actually erupt, but more kind of ooze, I guess you could say'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'euw'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when Yellowstone kablooies, it won't be just a NA problem.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What would happen if we started extracting thermal energy from the yellowstone caldera though ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ooze like an old socialists' fadge'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I'm not a geologist :D  so i don't know the techinical term, but people think it'll blow up like it does in the movies, but it's more likely to be a less dramatic release'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'of course, you never know, it could go off like it has twice before'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it all depends on what kind of magma is down there, what sort of mixing is occurring, and how full the chamber already is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the thing is, I forget how many there are, but there's other supervalcanoes in the world to worry about, Yellowstone doesn't have the monopoly on that one'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so chances are it could just ooze out magma like the hawaiian hotspot.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right, and I'm kind of reaching back in my memory, but I think most of the eruptions at Yellowstone have really been very small'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'supervolcanoes could kill us like 30 times over'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, if one went off in the worst way, it'd get bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think russia back off of helping syria, and those lobbiests are all over it, maybe it'd be a good idea to listen to what they have to say '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and the worst part of it is that most of us would starve to death as opposed to being blown to smithereens'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which, chemosh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course 'they' is a revolution to the media, so it's hard to see what syria danny's up to'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just thinking back a few lines to the overlord again'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's not really any such thing as a small supervolcano.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'revolution is brewing in Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but there's multiple ways for the pressure to be released'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would love to be able to tap into all that thermal energy though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Sunnhi's want to take over, surprise, and no coverage in the western media, just like Bahrain where the Shia majority are being put down hard by the police'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hooking up your furnace to a volcano is a really bad idea, Riz.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they even made crappy syfy movies about it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, isn't it Iceland that is something like 80% geothermal when it comes to domestic energy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and even in the states, there's places where people will use geothermal energy to heat their houses'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, iceland is mostly thermal energy from a hotspot.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iceland also has around 17 people'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, not a hotspot.....the midatlantic ridge'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but they still do it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but you're right, their location and small size make it much easier to utilize'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iceland is slowly getting bigger because the midatlantic ridge splits it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sidewalks in Iceland's capital have underfloor heating'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I love geothermal energy....wish we used more of it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hawaii could be completely powered by geothermal if we wanted to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska has a nice geothermal hotspot near Fairbanks.....found diamonds up there also because of the hotsprings.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but a resort is completely powered by geothermal springs up there.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Hawaii has the thermal energy, but not the structure to take advantage of it.  All of the hawaiian islands are slowly falling apart.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'falling apart in what way?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the groundwater is washing away the island rock as it seeps through.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best knock down Obama's golf course and abandon the place then'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the thing is, and I'd have to double check, but there's a lot more places that could utilize geothermal energy for their heating, and cooling.  Even if it's not in a place where you could generate much electricity, even tapping to that type of resource for residential use could go a long way in reducing reliance on coal and oal for heaing (and gas).'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll save you a few million dollars a year'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of the largest tsunamis in history happened in hawaii when part of an island collapsed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'bleh, oil, but I think you knew what I mean'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Obama used the autopen again, I thought I was going to have to drag my wife out of the resteraunt we were at when she saw that'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I thought she was going to start cussing and screaming'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'cause she hates him'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, she's not as daft as you think then'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but she can get embarassing when she gets on a roll'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't have an Obamafone, then?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was it bigger than the tsunami that flattened the Alaskan coastline to a height of like 600 meters?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder what obama and his friends were looking at on their laptop in their photo shoot'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'him, 2 black guys and some smiling white guys with some white women by the door'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were busy photoshopping his birth certificate'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh, that made me laugh'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cheaply photoshopped porn of Condi's Bush.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'black guy on his left had his eye on white guy to his right'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love energy in general...regardless of how it is produced, especially coal...but I want the emissions of coal power plants to feed algae farms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'of course it would, you're too slick like that guy on haiti in the serpent and the rainbow, is that it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a commie asking for justice , that would be a first'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a jew asking for justice - another irony'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think more people should utilize the constant temp of the earth 4 feet down to help heat and cool their homes and buildings.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'did razkin just indicate a death-threat on me by america, or was he signing something else?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if that constant temperature is utilised, perhaps that temperature won't remain as constant'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he was speaking as thought he is on behalf of the authority of it's president'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in his presence as he signs his pen to something he said'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the problem is that not all areas are suitable for basement living.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(did Razkin mention you be name or are you confessing to be a target)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my house in plano texas has no basement, but I still utilize geothermal energy to offset energy used by the air conditioning in the summer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i just assume like the bolt thrower song 'the killchain' that it's subversive or predictable subject matter is the purpose of the internet and all the dissident thoughts i shared'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, thermal energy that is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i could take it as a subliminal threat on behalf of the president, whereas i could ignore other's'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the house has 6 loops around it of pipeline for the air to cool before it gets to the air conditioning intake to be cooled.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of the staid normal folk here did not listen to the "boltthrower song" lyrics, so the song reference is Chemosh gibberish'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probable_cause  is the standard by which an officer or agent of the law has the grounds to make an arrest, to conduct a personal or property search, or to obtain a warrant for arrest, etc. when criminal charges are being considered.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the pipe is 5-6 feet down in the earth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if "probable-cause" is extended, then a police-state may result '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or else the rationalization of a perceived threat, which the officer does on behalf of the general public, which isn't allowed to see that he's their enemy on occasion'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like the gulag in the jewish history of the nazi's'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gulag is a soviet word'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and america's a democracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, kind of dropped out of the conversation, I promised my wife I'd do the dishes >.<'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cost $3800 with federal and power company credits to install the thermal loop system, and reduced my summer AC bill by 40%.....in a place with bigger temp shifts in the winter...it could also be used for heating the air.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I was refering to the fiscal cliff bill that he autopenned :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'North America is a far better safer location for loudmouth nutters than (say) the other continents'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, in those places the most brutal and efficient killers who have access to the means, or the privledged families which operate outside the boundaries of the law and pass on every job you can imagine, including executioner in some kingdoms, are the only loudmouths around'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'loudmouth is anything the nazi's get offended at in the non-gulag police state of relic'd victory'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'stand there until that candle burns you loudmouth '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(if) Tigernuts is in Britain, note that Tigernuts is more "informed" with (somewhat more) accurate information (since Britain likes to censor inaccurate demagogues) than a wannabe demagogue from (say) Alberta Canada (where Canadian laws are more tolerant of inconsequential vocal local yokel inaccuracies)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canada is freer than the USA in some topics, though the first amendment of the USA does permit USAtans to be more intolerant and prejudiced in speech'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'USatans -- a word to describe those of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  who defines prejudice is watching my candle'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is attempting to spread the firebug disease by overusing "candle" (use of candles is a dangerous practice)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'knowledge of candles is anti-semitic propaganda for people who didn't suffer enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to what could presume from your presence here'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's all in what my intentions were, and on the opposite end of racism is where i started'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'more gibberish by Chemosh, since that last post by Chemosh on "knowledge of candles as anti-semitic" is inane false and bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you project flaws into my meaning, which is clear, and feign ignorance or exasperation with too many words, as though a text-based game isn't read attempting to destabilize my message with your hate-psychology'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you don't consider what it means, only rarely, you consider deliverance'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i seen my friend in cambodia once, i didn't assume he was there by choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's that vietnamese german politician too, they're another people i kept in mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh repartees are being clouded by angered ego and turning to gibberish -- those that prefer to debate accurately reduce their overbloated pride, and mostly debate the topic, (not be distracted and misdirected to excessively answering the percieved ad hominems) '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your mind must be smaller than mine if you can't keep pace with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a good retard, have another'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"quality is often superior to quantity" (when sufficient amounts of both are present)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how many haiku's did i write you today'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'irrelevant - not Japanese '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you believe a person has to be perfect before speaking'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe we should nirvana then'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or maybe you're a traditional fascist, 'if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all''
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'testing how real freedom is is a good test, as goethe said'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the intent to be as accurate concise and decent as possible in important things (speech) is a prelude to great oratory"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''for none is more hopelessly enslaved than a people falsely believing themselves free''
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i have more respect for goethe than marx'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jews character assassinate him'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sabotaging the minds of the children and uneducated (with inaccurate flawed gibberish) is a "bad test", not a "good test", of the freedom of speech '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sabotaging the minds of people is a crime perpetrated by the mass media, educational system, wage-slavery, (many) religions and the government itself'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sometimes people do so unwittingly, sometimes malevolently (but this is more rare)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'usually those who do so malevolently fan finely tune their content to a particular intellect set'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and that makes it a polemic form of arguement, and you can observe some very volatile philosophy's practice actively by prominent people called 'polemic', and i'm not one of those'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like some associates of malcolm x for instance, can't get much more supportive of racism and corruption than them'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bank of America has frozen the account of American Spirit Arms (a gun manufacturer) claiming "We believe you should not be selling guns and parts on the Internet"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not them, i don't hurt anybody or participate in group activities leading to harm, on a religious, racist or selfish scale'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those're called cults and things like that, but they're what you're telling me i am anyways, and that's not me'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't they do that to another gun company earlier?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you want to see if there is "freedom of speech": speak accurately concisely and controversial, so that those in (self-appoined) authority are more likely to scrutinise you when they perceive that you are no longer an inconsequential vocal local yokel'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, hans, silly corporates'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'opens up the market to patriot banks, i guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i like to remain inconsequential, i don't have any delusions of grandeur or would participate in any form of them, by choice or mass-media mockery'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that there are any, since they're all globalist owned'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think i could validly refute any claims brought against me, like a lawyer - intellectually, the violence initiative is based on what is considered instigable, and that varies like a nazi's candle'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet some smaller banks are drooling over the potential new customer, pending the unfreezing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole banking sector is sewn up, Hans'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gibberish babbling into the loud breeze is viewed by benign authority as an irrelevant nutter'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, it's an entirely different ballgame among the smaller players.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, we'll see'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is clearly going after big corps to back his unconstitutional gun control'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'BoA and Commerce flat-out told around a third of their existing customers earlier this year to GTFU out of their banks because they were the kind of customer they didn't want.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the demagogue speaks accurately concisely coherently controversially and gains followers -- that is when the authorities may take notice (and perhaps do something)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from that viewpoint, speaking incoherently may be viewed as an act of cowardice (and or ineptness)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"until you gain followers, you are not playing with the big boys"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"even if you gain followers, even then you may not yet be playing with the big boys"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(however, the big boys may be watching (or not), looking for recruits, or targets)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watching you two is like watching people argue in a foreign language'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"How to be a successful author for Dummies"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a skit involving Jeff Corwin or that dead croc guy from Oz rolled through my mind seeing them two banter.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, i was right, Hagel heads up the globalist (Rockefeller funded) Atlantic Council, that works closely with those other fantastic organisations, the RAND Corporation, The Trilateral Commissiona and the Council on Foreign Relations'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think you mean, as long as people's followers fit within the guidelines of http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin acceptable revolution, then the big boys feel satisfied on their white horses'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of Hagel's opposition to attacking Iran, he is portrayed by the right as a racist and an anti-semite'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus proving that the right are every single bit as fuckwitted as the left'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Class-action suit against the "BoA and Commerce" for violating the rights of Americans in regard to the 2nd Amendment ! ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the right to bear arms has no bearing on a bank's decision to freeze assets of a company providing a product or service they disagree with.  They'll be sued (or at least threatened) for sure, but it'll probably be commerce-related.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some extremely racist jews like(d) Vlad Lenin, because the red revolution, Lenin, Stalin, and the Commiczars, murdered a lot of the Tsarust regime, and did a lot of genocide during the soviet oppression'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aff'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vlad Lenin was an abomination, and what Lenin did was unacceptable (even if somebody on Wikipedia is lauding the red october revolution as "accepable") -- so don't throw Wikipedia at others as though they believe Wikipedia as gospel'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Lenin was not "acceptable"'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if you (Chemosh) believe that there is an active "god", maybe the "holocaust" of WWII was karmic payback against the jews for aiding assisting abetting the red october revolution and the genocides (holodomor, etcetera) that resulted from Lenin and Marx and jewish involvement'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why do you think like that zade?  if i have a faith in a god why would i make it's usefulness subordinate to revenge on some perceived criminals in the world?  taht's how king james daemonology's pacts with satan are similar to'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and also another quote from that wiki page fits into your way of seeing things for me, I am not fond of the Germans by any means but at the present time it is more advantageous to use them than to challenge them. An independent Poland is very dangerous to Soviet Russia: it is an evil which, however, at the present time has also its redeeming features'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and also another quote from that wiki page fits into your way of seeing things for me, I am not fond of the Germans by any means but at the present time it is more advantageous to use them than to challenge them. An independent Poland is very dangerous to Soviet Russia: it is an evil which, however, at the present time has also its redeeming features; for while it exists, we may safely count on Germany, because the Germans hate Poland and will at any time make common cause with us in order to strangle Poland. ... Everything teaches us to look upon Germany as our most reliable ally. Germany wants revenge, and we want revolution. For the moment our aims are the same. When our ways part they will be our most ferocious and our great enemies. Time will tell whether a German hegemony or a Communist federation is to arise out of the ruins of Europe.  http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin so maybe it was a catch 22/camp 22 of yours'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not at all what i was saying though, i don't invoke god to do anything for me, sometimes i consider religion as a deceivers tool though'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not sure if that's an actual quote or not though, i provided the link with it for you to decide for your out of contexting me'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in attributions section, so they're using hate as some kind of a tool, i haven't studied the whole history much, just what i looked into'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the whole history of what they were fighting for might be hard to come by'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as they said about stamping out the memory of fascism from history, while having cult of personality police states'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they could have some fact that some people identify with, and then twist it to some extent that exalts the addon in the fture, misdirecting their historical freedom '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'things like taht'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can think of a religion like that for instance'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'perverting the memory of a people's freedom is pretty important, looking at how many remember theirs (as a original nation) - making it look like a demon probably is too'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if the god of the bible had any power to grant anybody worshipping him on earth, such as elias overthrowing the demon worshippers, would they leave it in the hands of people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the knowledge of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh, you are yet too immature in sifted data, so do not ascribe the Wikipedia opinions of others to the (alleged) opinions of Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'your opinion was allegedly ascribed as my opinion, conditionally - which i unconditionally said was false'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'using a (shallow) alignment of your reasoning, although with hate instead of god concept like vengeance, from the article you criticized me for quoting'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what you say is how you appear to others, not what you meant to say (but were unable)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can think like you're saying like a devils advocate though and then study the belief'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of pointless, but i could also study how you would exploit that if it was'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i don't care, like the garbage trucks'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you misquote articles and then seem to talk as though they are gospel, and worse, you ascribe as though those articles were the opinions of some in the audience, and then verbally snide them for those holding those ascribed opinions which you falsely ascribed to them'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how, if you latch onto them because they are yours, is it my fault'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's amusing to see a troll get mad because another troll is trolling them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you just get offended cause it's your gospel, otherwise you'd ignore it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like some kids in a dumpster'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'you showed you can think in terms of other's beliefs though, maybe if i was you with this belief i would see this as that'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'double-minded is seen as a sin in the bible, doesn't mean much else to me, but it seems like a pretty basic thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a curse i guess, thinking of what others are thinking, absolutely disarming the enlightened'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(in their ability to detect the enemy), unless it's just instinctual'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh prattles from flawed statement to flawed statement -- as though believing that in sheer spam, the flawed statements (when unchallenged) stand '
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what's flawed about the unknown, that you need faith to know it and to not have faith is to be punished by watching a candle burn?'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's remarkable hypocrisy in the atheist world of smarter than god's'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and since you are wrong on so many things, you do not know what the actual platform here is'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'lets see what the neuroscientist discovered about memory, that it changes every time referenced'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i see the platform of hate that the world stands on, only discovering details knowing the enemy's already there'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's what, 4 billion religious people on earth with their own versions of good things in life to focus on and they haven't changed nothing'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'at least not unbiasedly good, alot of the time - in the small picture they might have - but that's not the encompassing picture like those idiot's dancing on television to their television'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so you attack my flawed drivel of negativity of the unknown (but knowable) because why'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe if i believe in karma like you thought for me (zade) on the flipside you will be in the system and i will be in charge of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'because i'm falsely assuming your obsession with me isn't part of those other people's who own everything'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you likely do not know if i am an atheist or a theist or neither, or a hybrid (with or without seeming contradictions)'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you stick out flawed opinions on Debate like a mole on Whack-a-mole, and when the audience takes a whack at your flawed opinions, you say "obsessed!" -- amusing'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i assume you're my enemy, and that doesn't matter if you're god zilla or the angel of the bottomless pit or a nuclear submarine pilot or a satellite above my house'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i already know the end of life is death, having being a obedient slave of the world of lies on the requirments for survival is very un-natural and not of god'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the anonimity of the internet protects the audience from paranoid nutter seeking "enemies" from those that disagree with the flawed opinions expressed'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there is no anonymity on the internet and never has been'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'only to people who don't own it'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you do not know who i am -- that is anonymous'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but somebody does, that is not'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that know are not going to tell you'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they'd tell you who i am, because you're a member of their world of lies, like the people on the outside of the fence in that movie'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'watching the burning candles of hope like the angels in the catholic cemetaries'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Candles in the Rain" is a last century song'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least the rain may extinguish the candles and prevent fires'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sarta: 'Lol, Anonymous on the internet. I love the sense of Naive realism to it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently there is o_o'
T3/r7/2013-01-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'wow, I didn't know this whole time'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hmm, 1 out of 6 stars in the milky way galaxy is thought to have at least 1 earth sized planet.  17 billion potential earths.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'traditional star trek would never make it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is the universe flat ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'apparently it has a bit of a curve?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, wouldnt in a real explosion, matter and energy would be thrown out in all directions ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so how is the big bang diferent ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu-6_torpedo much respect to the brave navy for facing fear like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'towards the bottom of the page is the scary part, but it claimed from domestic sources'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'so it kills even if it is a miss hit because of the hydrogen heating? yeah that would be pretty scary'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and 15 minutes - 2 torpedoes, 12,000 tonne ship'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was wondering how they develop their ships hulls against things like that, what kind of repellants could exist etc, but i didn't see any references at the bottom of the page'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'It heats the area above 2000 degrees in near no time how could a repel work?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's material's which absorb heat around, plus material's resistant to heat, maybe they build with those in mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as for how it gets hot like that, possibly can be neutralized with chemistry or something, like a fire extinguisher system expecting a fire'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'interesting it is'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so in other words do mess with the chinese navy'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so in other words dont mess with the chinese navy'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'what was the blast radius?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'or was that limited on information 2?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, i didn't write the article - i just found it while studying modern submarines and remembered it cause it sounded pretty ultimate'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'if the blast radius is atleast 3 mi. then no person is gonna be like oh let me get the fire hydrent. he will be crispy'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'kentucky krisp'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i was thinking of boats though, not nuclear weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they say they only used a couple of those in history in warfare'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'desert or become krispy? hard choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if blast radius of those torpedoes is that big then i guess so, 2000 degrees anything exposed and not within the theoretical protected ship would be toast'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but they also wouldn't have used 2'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'yeah one would be plenry'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Portgaze: 'plenty'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'few dozen metres'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Portgaze agrees
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what does the Caritas Europa Migration Commission mean/do?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seemed like best channel to ask'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ng%C3%B4_%C4%90%C3%ACnh_L%E1%BB%87_Quy%C3%AAn just lookin at this, linked from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/432d_Tactical_Reconnaissance_Wing this somehow (Palace Lightning) like a search for that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'on google'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Approximately 200,000 Asian labourers (mainly romusha) and 60,000 Allied POWs worked on the ThailandBurma Death Railway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thailand terrible isn't it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i just want to ask regrading the torpedos earlier today isnt it a bit (the other word for questionable) that details of such a weapon would be released or available to the public in a autocratic country like china?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In early April 2008, riots broke out over the high cost of food; since 2007, prices for a number of essential foods, including rice, had risen by about 50%.[7] As the riots continued, rioters attacked the presidential palace on April 8 but were driven away by UN soldiers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Pr%C3%A9val On April 9, Préval called for calm'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In early April 2008, riots broke out over the high cost of food; since 2007, prices for a number of essential foods, including rice, had risen by about 50%.[7] As the riots continued, rioters attacked the presidential palace on April 8 but were driven away by UN soldiers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Pr%C3%A9val On April 9, Préval called for calm; he said that high food prices were a problem around the world, but that the problem would not be solved by destroying stores, and he said that he had "ordered Haitian police and UN soldiers to put an end to the looting".  ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micha%C3%ABlle_Jean i wonder where the aid money went to, how much humanitarian donations doubled the price of food and things like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sepulchure: 'my word!'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just looking at article, http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/story/2013/01/08/montreal-don-cherry-haiti-twitter.html , and seeing some google searches backgrounds on various people mentioned in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't write the articles, they could have writ themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's just my question from seeing it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the revolutionary charity coffers of communism, ? http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin The Congress decisively rejects terrorism, i.e., the system of individual political assassinations, as being a method of political struggle which is most inexpedient at the present time, diverting the best forces from the urgent and imperatively necessary work of organisation and agitation, destroying contact between the revolutionaries and the masses of the revolutionary classes of the population, and spreading both among the revolutionaries themselves and the population in general utterly distorted ideas of the aims and methods of struggle against the autocracy. '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what came to mind to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i'm not against providing actual survival-oriented assistance to people who require it, not at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who keeps track of it that's trustworthy'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'conflict-of interest in the idea of trustworthy'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's possible, but not definite - just a expectation from observation of the corrupt world'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Fear of communism, extreme revolutionary ideas and ultranationalism caused the sharp fighting among the new ruling elites. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand In exchange for supporting Thailand's admission to the United Nations, the Soviet Union demanded repeal of anticommunist legislation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest  occurs when an individual or organization is involved in multiple interests, one of which could possibly corrupt the motivation for an act in the other.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion refers to an attempt to transform the established social order and its structures of power, authority, and hierarchy. Subversion (Latin subvertere: overthrow) refers to a process by which the values and principles of a system in place, are contradicted or reversed *. More specifically, subversion can be described as an attack on the public morale and, the will to resist intervention are the products of combined political and social or class loyalties which are usually attached to national symbols. Following penetration, and parallel with the forced disintegration of political and social institutions of the state, these loyalties may be detached and transferred to the political or ideological cause of the aggressor. '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'and I thought subversion was a code management system'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'A subversive is something or someone carrying the potential for some degree of subversion. In this context, a "subversive" is sometimes called a "traitor" with respect to (and usually by) the government in power. '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_of_Denmark , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Fischer , 'In the 1950s, Fischer was the first historian who examined all of the Imperial German government archives in their entirety and as a result, as the American Klaus Epstein noted when Fischer published his findings in 1961, he instantly rendered obsolete every book previously published on the subject of responsibility for the First World War, and German aims in that war.' ,  The Frankfurter Zeitung was outspoken in its condemnation of Alexandra and her sister, the Dowager Empress of Russia, saying that the pair were "the centre of the international anti-German conspiracy" -- i wonder, then there's this parliament bill mentioned (and interests in other places) , i guess that's all ancient history though'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'basically'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'In Turkey she became the first woman to sit down to dinner with the Sultan (Abdülâziz) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_of_Denmark'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pretty confusing story trying to figure out these articles sometimes, but that seems possible'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd%C3%BCl%C3%A2ziz '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'He was a quarter French. In 1868 Pertevniyal was living in the Dolmabahçe Palace. That year Abdülaziz led the visiting Eugénie de Montijo, Empress of France, to see his mother. Pertevniyal perceived the presence of a foreign woman within her quarters of the seraglio as an insult. She reportedly slapped Eugénie across the face, almost resulting in an international incident. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd%C3%BCl%C3%A2ziz so that's a little after http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_of_Denmark in the articles'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or earlier, hmm, articles include mention of it though'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '[08 Jan 13:10:23] (Debate) Chemosh: ".. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lenin The Congress decisively rejects terrorism, .. the system of individual political assassinations" <-- that is a blatant disinformation '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a quote from a wikipedia page, possibly misinterpreted, but not seeming nonmalevolent'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not my fault if a semicolon cuts a copy/paste off that i'm posting to get input on, discussion'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh (posting that disinformation, without balancing with facts that Communists were terrorists) seems to be another of "Lenin's useful idiots"'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'useful idiots don't want to learn because they know they're right'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but you call them useful idiots cause you know they're wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Lenin's useful idiots" not "useful idiots" -- there is a difference'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurter_Zeitung  was a German language newspaper that appeared from 1856 to 1943. It emerged from a market letter that was published in Frankfurt. In Nazi Germany it was considered the only mass publication not completely controlled by the Propagandaministerium under Joseph Goebbels. ... Dictator Adolf Hitler banned the newspaper in 1943.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini During World War II he actively collaborated with both Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy, meeting Adolf Hitler personally and asking him to back Arab independence.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'who's doing that today?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"[08 Jan 17:06:33] (Debate) Chemosh: 'not my fault if a semicolon cuts a copy/paste off" <-- mope, your *lazy* fault -- post to notepad and pre-edit before posting here (or on IRC), and post smaller chunks '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's the internet , a fictional text-based game, like chats of hostile personality's raised on media filled with disenfranchising metabolism'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i apologize if i reflect it to some extent'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_Day  was a simulated Nazi invasion of the Canadian city of Winnipeg, Manitoba, and surrounding areas on February 19, 1942, during the Second World War.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can see some other possible overlords now'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdivisions_of_the_Ottoman_Empire'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'texas forcast to match a $8.8bn budget surplus record set in 2007'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a scumbag, growly, and was neck deep in the phone hacking scandal in the UK... among other things'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'suuure'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'International Commission of Control and Supervision (ICCS) http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dhh-dhp/od-bdo/di-ri-eng.asp?IntlOpId=65&CdnOpId=78 , http://busanhaps.com/article/good-night-vegas-one-drop-east-weekend , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Defence_Day'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder, seen it listed on http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/singapore-singapour/highlights-faits/HardRockCafe-2011.aspx?lang=en&view=d and found it an interesting 'event' so i looked up it some more'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'quite a few wonders on trying to figure out what's going on'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hilariously, BBC news tonight reported that a think tank in London has said that one of the main fighting groups in Syria is a terrorist group consisting mainly of Al-Quaeda fighters from Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strange, I and many others had been saying that for months and nobody would believe us'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we were saying that about Libya and Egypt, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can we learn from this, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that Obama and by extension the larger democratic political force is in cahoots with terror groups.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but we knew that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been in cahoots with Al-Queda since their inception'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Delusional Piers Morgan tries to compare himself to John Lennon. No piers, John Lennon was beacon for peace and understanding, you're just a shit journalist who fled the country accused of involvement in phone hacking and fabrication of news stories'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Orlando town to fine residents $500 per day for having a garden'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reckon anything will happen to Venezuela when Chavez kicks the bucket?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure.  They'll get a new batch of cronies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in which country is "Orlando" '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Florida, USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'US.  It's a resort city in Florida.  One of the hottest and wettest places in the States.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and like Louisiana, it's washing away (it's something like 2 feet above sea level or something crazy low like that.)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is that local "garden ban" in Orlando a violation of constitutional rights (to grow a garden)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'its a marijuana garden.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strictly speaking it's a city ordnance that by definition should only apply to employees of the city. Unfortunately due to precedent, it applies to other residents now'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever it is, it's a fucking stupid ordnance'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whsat is the "Orlando" reasoning: that private gardens may be used to feed terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you got a link for that, Tiger?  I really doubt even the crazy liberals in Florida are dumb enough to outlaw gardens.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one moment'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a demented USatan politician stated that those that store more than 8 weeks food are terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.clickorlando.com/news/College-Park-couple-says-front-yard-vegetable-garden-is-under-fire-again/-/1637132/18035884/-/png2kpz/-/index.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, beautification standards.  It's on par with keeping your trash bins out of sight or a certain distance away from living quarters.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be solved with a compromise, maybe a slab path going to the door and a low wall at the front, but i'm guessing beurocrats are interested in $$$, not common sense'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'homeowners can sometimes be as crazy as liberals sometimes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"beautification" standards that interfere with health are not common sense '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're not interfering with health, unless the property somehow has no back yard.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sort of ordnance was originally penned to prevent dangerous eyesores, not to micromanage appearance'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'being prevented from growing fresh raw vegetables is interfering with health'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they are not prevented from growing food, they are being prevented from growing food in their front yard.  These people would get the same sort of hassles if it were simply a landscape garden with trees and flowers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if the ordnance was originally directed at public employess, then the intent was not "beautification"'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever, it's total overreach of jurisdiction on behalf of the city'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's no cattle to eat the grass and not all gardens are unkept, it's almost fascist'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'from the original story "City code requires ground covers to be planted in a way that gives off a finished appearance so neighborhood lawns are clean, and inviting -- keeping property values up."'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about it, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not insult the fascists, Chemosh -- your inane rantings are "fascist"'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wasn't originally directed at city employees.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen a similar story on new mexico newssite a year or so ago, except there it was the offensive playground equipment or something'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'city ordnances weer originally directed at city employees, all of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a sidestep, there's a lot of -this- going on: http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_22333563/little-canada-man-videotaped-sheriffs-deputies-and-got'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's basically standard policy for ANY homeowners' group, and has been for the last 25 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did these people sign a contract to become part of a homeowners group?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'homeowners groups are often abominations'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by buying property in an incorporated zone, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a legal fiction and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zoning and ordnance can change after the fact'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when no private group is available, all residents in a municipality are subject to the rules and regulations in force at the time of judgement.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a need for some democratic oversight there, where there currently is none'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, calamari....a giant squid has been videoed in the north pacific....'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'imagine how much fish pee that thing's swum through over the years...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is just nutrients'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you saying you ingest piss for health reasons?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'taste too'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seawater smells like seawater or seapiss-water'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it must all be ok, David Bowie released a new single today'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'yea i heard it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/07/02/obamacare-and-the-trampling-of-the-declaration-of-independence/ interesting forbes article about things, 'The only checks on Federal power left for the American people are their own commitment to live in liberty and the election of those who share a fervent embrace of the principles put forward as self evident truths in the Declaration of Independence''
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i always knew i hated people with power for a reason, i'm still looking for it, but i find reasons as i look'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.thelocal.se/45410/20130103/ that almost looks like an invasion doesn't it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'maybe they'll get some ethnic diversity'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this multiculturalism of the last century is pure evil i think'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not very much by benevolent intentions, except exploitation of liberalism instead of rationality'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's what i think anyways, i don't feel comfortable around them'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'very rarely do i see one who doesn't look down on me'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you don't feel comfortable around whom?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'asian/indian/muslim/negro people'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'wow'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its no wonder people get blown up in this world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'and here's where I get off the bus'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't assimilate into white culture, they oppose it and change it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if you go to where they're from you're not welcome'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so how does multiculturalism work'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why should they assimilate into white culture?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why doesn't white culture assimilate into theirs?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'why should white nations change themselves to suit them, which they do the opposite of'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'please say, massa'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are asking them to change to suit you'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which they do'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are premise is that the "white" culture is the model for others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'black racism is as alive as malcom x, asian racism is as white as the politicians and scientists in china'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'hindu racism is like the scientists researching for the american government in alaska, or other various things like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, let's grant that members of other races are racist, so what's your point? Is that defense white racists use?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sounds like defense enough to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Africans didn't invade America. Hindus didn't invade England. Native Americans didn't invade Europe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'didn't saudi arabia trade african slaves?  how about rome, did it invade europe?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what does that have to do with anything, true or not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seen the colors of it's army, it's leaders also came from africa sometimes'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'has to do with your arguement is as valid as your ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, many Muslims are Africans, in fact, it is almost close to be a majority.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'many africans aren't even black.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Amazing I know..'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'scarjo ftw'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Ethiopians, for instance, are Hemitic as their language clearly shows.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, Ethiopians aren't black?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are dark skinned, yes. Black is not really a skin color  :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Skin color is irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did they hire supermodels for all those 5-cents-a-day commercials?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no more so than white :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Chemosh advanced the premise that the other races should assimilate the white culture, so color is relevant to this topic :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'from q/a: blacks are stiffer than reds...and that makes Chemosh uncomfortable'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, give it another fdew hundred years, and we will all just be a mix. Then we can find something else to be racist about.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's been thousands of years already...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we are all a mix now, Ranrr. The "pure" races of today are nothing but subsets. The mix occurred long, long ago.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i said if other races go to a white place they should accept that they're not in control of it because they're not white'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but with modern travel, the mixing will accelerate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you miss out on the last two US full-term elections?  According to the political people, you're racist if you don't agree with Obama and the democrats.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is the reason they give themselves for being in control of it, i'm a minority they say, quit persecutions - which happens to white people where they come from - who woulnd't have any of their bullshit mental exploitations'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for one thing, there doesn't appear to there were different geneses for the human race, but it basically came out of one crucible.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'at least one successful one'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bzzt, wrong!  The latest consensus is that there were a grand total of around 4 distinct human lines.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'white nations weren't even very racist in the last century and a half that i could see, except a few cases - but these cases can be seen in places like 1804 haiti, which is considered an honor in ethiopea'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but they all sprung from the same point, there weren't 4 distinct threads of evolution that succeeded.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if they even were white nations, that could be false history'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sprang*'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but all other racial groups i seen where i'm from aren't afraid to be racist and openly scorn white people'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, whites could never be accused to be shy about being racists :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What is this, is Chemosh barking up the "Whites are a persecuted minority" tree?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but if a white person does that to them, they try to pull the persecuted brainwash mechanism'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, I think he is, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, so what if i am considering racism from a unafraid viewpoint'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what are you going to do about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'No, he's found a new drug in the form of Zade.  I don't see Zade around, so I guess he's pining.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Generally, I find most people to be racist. White or black doesn't matter. It's just human nature, although it seems to get better in bigger cities, probably because of exposure to more people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are accusing the victims of racism of not liking whites. It's like being accused of hating sharks just because one bit your leg off.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stupid Zade for indulging Chemosh. Now we're never gonna get rid of him.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm considering the very ryeal phenomenon of racism in the world, and malcom x and his disciple's use of islam for racism among other things'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was an epic marathon of debauched spam, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let give you some perspective, Chemosh. You are being racist :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're racists, it doesn't matter how non racist a person is they're still hated by the racists'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm being racist how?  by considering the evidence of racism that they instigated?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'd love to hear your "evidence".'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what if they are racists? Whites (some of them) are racists? Is racism reserved for whites only?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if you're going to ignore it then you're trying the same kidn of white shame arguement as them'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But they'd probably just bore me, Mr. "Hitler once made a speech where he didn't mention the Jews, so he didn't kill Jews at all!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't have to tell you anymore, you're being purposefully ignorant'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, whether we ignore it or not, whites should be ashamed :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, it's the Chemosh Classic "I don't have to provide proof for my statements! YOU should do my job for me!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, if you rearrange the letters in "Yuna" you get "Zade"'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can't blame me for stupid things other white people did in the past.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'This has been my Bimonthly foray into pointing out how Chemosh cannot be reasoned with. I'll go back to ignoring him for months on end now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, you can't blame me for other men raping women either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I blame you specifically'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'stupid Yuna.  Now that he's indulged Chemosh, we'll never get rid of him!'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you pimped them, so you are an accessory :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the funnest part of Chemoshity is all the people who can't leave him be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'funniest part about you is a nazi candle'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'a what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like that, you are spousing a doctrine that the would make Nazis proud and then you call someone else "nazi" :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a dead jew set on fire.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ditto for the kojiro/snooky thing. People still get suckered by it all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'sonshi: they're not the same person'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, I have time on my hands, I don't mind delving into the racist mind :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I always wonder about how clearly clinically insane people are allowed to roam the streets (or in this case, the Internet) unmonitored. Do they not have any loved ones to have them committed or at least medicated for their own good?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those two aren't near as fun, since nobody believes they're anything but attentiontutes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, whether or not it's the same person, it's a similar type of crap...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's reference to an article of the post-war child abuse that went on in germany, of 'nazi-era' crimes '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'scamming, lies, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can thank Reagan for that, as long as they don't commit a crime you can't violate their civil rights by institutionalizing them :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with Chemosh, he'll spam if you do and spam if you don't.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'ah, hmm, on this I can speak with some experience. forcefully restricting the safe actions of your own family members is not pleasant at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait, the U.S. doesn't allow for the forced institutionalization of clearly deranged individuals?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No wonder you're seeing a sudden wave of mentally ill people committing mass shootings.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not convinced they're different people, don't have proof either way...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we do, provided they committed a crime.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this world is why people try to be neo-nazi's, see yourselves in a mirror on the receiving end in a alternate universe'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'only by their families.  Or if they show they will injure themselves or others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can't blame people for coping with your shit how they do, it's your fault'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a large proportion of the homeless comes from that segment of society, the ones that were either previously institutionalized or should have been.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Sweden, you can be institutionalized if it is believed to be for the betterment of yourself and society at large. As in "We think you might commit violent crimes if we don't deal with you now rather than later".'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'because suicide is illegal, which is dumb as shit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they have to lock you up but you are too cuckoo for prison they send you to the looney bin until you get better.  The really heinous types aren't allowed to get better.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but as I said, it's against their civil rights.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [2012] Wars: 'Punishing people because they MIGHT do a crime is a bit immoral. But hey if it makes you sleep better.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, we have that law, but we removed all institutions. So we still have crazy people on the street.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some are more prone to action than others'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that was the philosophy, but Reagan wanted the government to spend less money on social programs so he let them out.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You'd need some damning evidence to "Punish" them with institutionalization. But counseling and medication?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'me, i like to identify my enemies, and i came to some conclusions i seen nowhere else, including a mockery of the bible manifest reality'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and, of course, your enemies are easy to spot, just check the tan level :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We should have a Chemosh Bingo game where we all sit around with Bingo Cards waiting for him to rant about Communists, Socialists, Nazis, the Bible, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whoever gets a Bingo first wins a small prize.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, that's their racism, the reason it's prevalent and not multilateral on a 1:1 basis is more a indicator of who the enemy is'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'having Chemosh shunted to your echo channel isn't a prize.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'a coalition of non-whites maybe'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'led by some leading philanthropist'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's only racism, there's more than that for inequalities in the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you don't like non-white coalitions :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [2012] Wars: 'It must get lonely talking to ones self.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's ok for whites to band together, but when when a darkie does it, that's crossing the line :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if there's white coalitions and multicultural coalitions including whites, while there's coalitions of every other color then it doesn't bother me - jews and some others look white too, they have their own representatation that doesn't slave to other colors'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'colors/races/ethnicity's/countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'religions'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'umm, I know Sonshi went loco on it, but weren't you there on the bandwagon about racial slurs, Ana?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, Chemosh. Do you want me to start naming them? I give you 2 right off the bat, IMF, The Trilateral Commission, The World Bank, NATO, sorry, that's more than 2 :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'the evidence is innumerable for other races racism, national segregation in immigrant land, exclusive religious segregation (often inducing racism/nationalism)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all white bands set out to edge out the "others".'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'The Black Chamber of Commerce...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'oh wait...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but white people?  i see nothing international, or invasive in other countries like theirs is in typically white countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, I am scared of them, they have so much power...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If jews are white, they must have come from somewhere else than israel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just saying...'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, how about IBM and ITT, that's multinational and as lily white as it gets.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'national even, i'm not sure if there is one, i see basically ethnically pure nations of every other color though - where racism is practiced proudly in their governments once in awhile'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no such thing as ethnically pure :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'either that or religion, you try to be liberal with some religions and they predate ww1, possibly being a cause of all the wars since 1850 or so'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe a few million years ago you could have made a case for that :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My point exactly. Hence, there are no jews.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a few million years ago, it wasn't ethnically pure either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I agree, but I wouldn't argue too strongly about it, since I couldn't testify to it :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'neandertal were boinking cromagnon, and recently there's been some evidence that prior generations of lateral human species were mixing as well.  They're starting to think all races of humans evolved with a natural urge to stir each other's pots.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the original reason for spices and other add-ons was to mask the rotting taste of overripe meat :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm only racist as far as i see others being racist, i don't hate people who aren't racist'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Ebert is a moron'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but also if i was in majority white nation where racism was normal and picking on minorities who weren't racist, i wouldn't support that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, Chemosh, you don't get your butt kissed by someone with dark skin and you label them racist. From what you have said above, you have the idea that being white is what "others" should aspire to be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i seen that the immigrants came to be racist and to attack the people who accepted them though, then i'd be less against the concept - but i wouldn't skip individual assessment'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, basically, it was preferable for the neander-magnon mix but because of cultural deviance we got stuck with porking our evolutionary "selves".'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'really, now you're seeing things how you want to make me believe i can't transmit the message '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't fall for shit like that, you can stuff your apologetic manipulation where the sun shined from'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you opened the argument with "they don't assimilate into white culture, they oppose it and change it". So clearly expect "them" to be white-like if they are to be accepted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, and i was using the expounded conversation in forsight'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they don't move to europe to leave their country behind, they move there to change it into their country'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you expect them to change and follow your cultural path as if your culture was the model for others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and enslave the people there to conform tot heir foreign customs'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and other mental devices like your lapse of my ability to communicate'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when in Rome, do as the Indians do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if some meganation of non-whites came to the United States and started carting off slaves, you should just accepted philosophically as karma. What goes around comes around :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and i said, that's not all of them, but alot of them it definitely is - as you can view yourself '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the opposite doesn't seem to be true in the time i've been around , what i seen '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'sure, there was some hesitancy or reluctance or feeling of surprise sometimes when a different race of a person comes, but they don't act openly hostile, like maybe in india they do sometimes'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as an example, or the surveillance the chinese give visitors, that isn't present on their trip to non-asian countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'omg, foreign culture, watch them like hawks - give them no real power'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'etc, they're working on that basically everywhere that isn't traditionally where white anglo-saxon people initiated'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Big Brother owns the rest of the world.  He's practically forgotten about the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'also , christopher columbus was from spain, and the british and german empires were established by rome, which included spain i think'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, using the excuse that they are racists to maintain your level of racism doesn't work. For one thing, they are going to be suspicious of you (with good reason, most times) and that will make them act in a manner that can be deemed as racist. But if whites just plain stopped being racists, and maybe put up with some reactive racism from minorities until they became aware that whites had changed, then thing would work out at the end. But currently, the white position is we will not tolerate racism from anyone, while still being racist in many fronts. I can't see how you can fault the minorities from acting as they do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so how white was rome, and how can you guarantee how much of their imperialism or whatever it's called was actually the fault of white people's individual decisions'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, CC did a job for Spain.  He was really an Italian, and his own king told him to fuck himself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Rome was whitish, but they were elitist, not racist.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to be fair to the Romans, most of the world they knew was dark-skinned :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Rome wasn't white.  They were as olive-skinned as the rest of the Mediterranian peoples.  Industrious as all hell, which drove the largest melting-pot mechanism the world had ever seen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'True, but in the US "olive-skinned" are honorary whites :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, I said "whitish" :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'white's shouldn't have to tolerate anything because of their color and neither should any other member of another race that isn't racist, because you're a member of a race doesn't give you a greencard to abuse people and get away with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not in any kind of godly judgement '
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but there's very little god in this hellworld'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'toleration doesn't teach the dog not to bite your hand for giving it a cookie'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what did it do for the cookie anyways'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, Chemosh, but whites only make that claim when the people they have been abusing for all this time finally got tired of it and decided to give some back. Now you say "racism is bad" because you are at the receiving end. Didn't occur to you that it was bad when you were dishing it out.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'should see how much white people donate to charities cause of the pictures on television of suffering people in africa, which they probably receive very little in the way of substance from the suffering of'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, a lot of slave owners were nice to their slaves, so what.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe wedding rings, diamonds and things like that, but do they staple posters of the dead on the walls of the jewelry store'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how much guarantee does the people who donate money to the strangers they expect the government to watch out for, have'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you think that donating to a charity wipes out the stopping of a black man to death because he dared look at a white woman?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it could be spent in any ungodly way imaginable if there's no accountability, misdirecting people's good intentions is some kind of an orgasmic experience for some malevolent dictators in history'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like lucifer in the bible'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hay, if someone discriminated against me and offered me money as a way of atonement, I would probably take it. But taking the money doesn't mean you think the score is even. It would only be even if I had taken the money from him to begin with.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait :) If he had taken the money from me, that is :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'does missus biggalow make some fine hollywood movies about modern warfare?'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i didn't do it myself then i'm not guilty of it by association or otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you want their racist attitudes to stop? Take it like a man while they dish it out, they will eventually get it out of their system and then you can go on from there. But one of the reasons why racism is on the rise among minorities is because white racism hasn't stopped it just has gone into hiding.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now you're showing a racist judgement of yours - and that's the kind of thing that i had in my mind while discussing some of my own, devil's advocate or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i never stood around with a group of people or commanded a military or was the boss at a job causing things like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying that I am wrong, whites are no longer racist.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'however many racists there are, like i said, some people make religions out of their racism and some people get away with racism while others don't, cause your green card is a concept that is considered liberal'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, I think I'll get off the bus here. You want to make whites as the victims and that doesn't work. That's all I have to say about that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'equal judgement doesn't work for anybody in comparative justice'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Black Power is a far more acceptable concept than White Power.  You're looking through some pretty big rose-colored glasses if you still paint ethnic minorities as victims.'
T3/r7/2013-01-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'White people are a minority, though. World wide.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are scholarships and other material benefits where the standing rule is "white folk need not apply."  There aren't any where a black/brown/red/yellow person can be told they can't have it because they aren't white.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Same thing for men. Lots of formal discrimination against men. But that's not PC to talk about.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'and rich people. lots of discrimination about rich people too.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'mostly the good looking ones'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'rich men's money doesn't need to go to poor men but women are useful to provide to their 'successful candidates' in abundance'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just recently, Justin Bieber or one of his contemporaries managed to be awarded the Black Person of the Year Award at an awards event designed for black people.  It was momentous, but probably in a disgusting sense that that the judges didn't do the "proper" thing by going with their second choice.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't go along with black power either, that's just a racist as white power. The only difference is that black power is a reactive movement. Every other segment of society of society that migrated to the US has been subsumed at some point and they are accepted. Blacks are the only ones that haven't been assimilated, they are still the outside group, perhaps because they came under forced immigration.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'uhh, no.  According to a recent census-related survey, Blacks are basically the majority party now and are actually starting to act like whites.  As a group, they see asians and latinos as a threat to their "turf" as the defamed minority.  They actually hold traditionally white-centric views towards these groups.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Black is the new White, in other words.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Really R. Bigman: 'Damnit I lose again!;('
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'what is a "census-related survey" ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'and define "majority party now" because they're about 13% of the US population'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was a survey done prior to the census taking place, in response to or in relation to the census or similar population issue.  For example, when we recently hit 300 million people in the US (200 million of which were estimated to be here illegally).'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: '200 million, eh'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: '200 million is almost the number of white people in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is understandable that they see Asians and Latinos as a threat. The threat being that they will be pushed farther out into the fringes. Asians are basically treated as whites by whites and Latinos are getting there. You will rarely get a buzz out of a white-asian, or white-latino couple. But you see a black-white couple and everyone stares. Note, that Asians and Latinos that "step out of their race" don't do it with another minority, they overwhelmingly do it with whites. The key is here is watching the media, especially advertisements and movies, both big and small screens. Now you begin to see Asian-white couples in movies and ads, not many, I grant, but they are there enough to notice. That matches what goes  on in the streets. Again, whites are willing to assimilate Asians (and Latinos, if they look white enough), but they balk  at assimilating blacks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless of course, the black is a sports figure, in which case they don't say anything out loud, they just whisper about it in the corners :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I'm skeptical of this claim of yours that 2/3 of all people in the US are here illegally.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not my claim, I'm just the messenger.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Show me the source'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Completely unfounded, and not provable anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'because I think you made it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's an interesting figure, I thought it would be higher since native americans only form a small portion of the population :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'native americans didn't believe in owning land ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I was being facetious :) Native Americans didn't have an INS :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I can't show you the source.  I'm sure it's somewhere on the net, but I didn't read it online.  It was in a print newspaper article from some random day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Surely this print newspaper got its number from somewhere valid'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Ok, fair enough.  But its simply not true.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'You could, for example, reference the US census bureau'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'or the department of immigration and naturalization services'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I grant that the number of "illegals" in the US number in the millions, but no where near 2/3.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, we don't keep stats on illegals.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how could you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'have the burder patrol report how many got away? :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'but you think that 2/3 of the entire population is illegal, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you don't need stats for that'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Suggesting a high number of illegals is fine.  Suggesting an outrageous number such as 2/3 of the population is just plain stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'ask 3 friends. if they aren't illegal, you must be'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '2/3 is entirely ridiculous.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I know I'm not, and if I ask 2 friends and can be reasonably sure they're not then clearly there are no illegals at all here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh 6 degrees of separation. Everyone in the US is connected to an illegal immigrant :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'my family / part of it, might have been brought here after germany fell in ww2'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'preferably by a tether'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not to rain on your parade, Hanslanda, that's very unscientific :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'There are roughly 311 million documented people in the US. You say that we dont keep track of illegals, so those 311 million are documented by your reasoning.  Using your statistics, the US has nearly a billion people in it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I can barely move for all the people I bump into'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Its not possible for you to be correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'if we have 600 billion illegals, how come my toilet is still dirty?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'And how come it takes me 5 minutes to get a burger at mcdonalds?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'jiggle the handle, one or two should pop out.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually, China has about the same landmass as the US and they have 1.6B, you can go to places there where the country seems to be empty, though :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'that's 2 maids per person'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Do you have 2 maids? I make good money and I only have 1.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Actually, I don't think she's illegal. I wonder if she has a maid too.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'now, guys, you are being racist. There are illegal Canadians, Chinese, and also assorted Europeans. Don't pick on the people south of the border.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but i don't know my own history much , some people were shipped off to america after war's like that though - they're as displaced as the other's aren't they?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I didn't say my maid was mexican.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have three'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'She's brazilian, anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'but that's not the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I never said it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there you go again, being south of the border doesn't mean being Mexican. There are over 500M people living south of the border, which extends to Antarctica'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Jerk Fiendish chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'You're the one saying we can't have canadian maids.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'They don't know how to clean windows in Canada? Now you're the racist.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'The only canadian I want working for me is the one making my beer'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'canadians are south of the border too, it's just faster to go the other way is all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how much are maids in the us paid anyway, out of curiosity?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I was saying that when you think of maids, you think of them as being from south of the border.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Sonshi: daily, weekly, or monthly?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Maids can actually make decent money in some places'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'monthly?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '50USD for a single day'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'we have a woman who comes once a month and I give her $110'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in Los Angeles, anyway. Some get more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the legal ones here get paid less than I do, and I'm a significant fraction below $10/hour.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's not a maid, that's a house cleaner...'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'she wears a cute little outfit, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you don't mind the mustache'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, yeah, so she's a house cleaner in a maid outfit...'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as I said, the legal ones...'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'she does more than clean my house. IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people in that are legal don't want to be maids, if they did, the illegals wouldn't get the work.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you married your maid?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a maid is a cleaner, babysitter (if you have kids) and cook rolled into one!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I do the cooking'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, Sonshi. Maybe in the US, but where I come from those were distinct jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's assisted-living healthcare.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'assisted living is where they dress you in the morning'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, those are distinct jobs, but a real maid, the ones that rich (?) people employ, do all those things'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the severest degree, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maids could come in flavors of child, hand, chanber, kitchen and general'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the really rich ones even have butlers, I hear!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'chamber*'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'also "from school"'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'but they only come in threes'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, okay, they split the jobs when there are several and the employer is mr mcbillionsandbillions'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're inventing jobs to cater to the old people who think they're still spry enough to not be old yet still need to pay (or suffer the insistence of their children that someone be paid) to keep them company and do part of their living chores.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually, in places where Spanish is spoken, there are no butlers, instead they have a woman who is the master of the keys, she functions as the butler and well as the boss of the other maids.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'master of the keys is slang for drug dealer'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she unlocks the chastity belts, doesn't she?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's English for you :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: '"I need 2 keys"'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'she is called master of the keys because she controls the household :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'business in front, party in the back, Fiendish?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'controls the household with her drug cartel'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'omg, your chastity belt is a mullet!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, the gardener and the chauffeur are both males :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from maids to... drugs?! How did this happen?!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who knows :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'key is short for kilo'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the master of the keys had a turf war with the tambourine man'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you open your door with a kilo of weed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, in the US, where people are really up with the metric system, a key is a "big bag" of weed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kilo = dime bag?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it's the metric system'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the key is the only absolute, a dime or nickel bag change sizes depending on the area since they are queued to the price.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if an ounce goes for 20 USD, then a dime bag is half an ounce.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.thelocal.se/45440/20130105/#.UOul7K6z69I this is kind of sick huh, first thing that came to my sick mind was http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/dominicanrepublic/3388611/Refugees-lost-at-sea-Eating-friends-tasted-like-beef.html "It's like beef, almost the same." '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The meat was imported from Hungary and then sold to wholesalers in Sweden, Denmark, Finland and Lithuania, according to Narving. http://www.thelocal.se/45440/20130105/#.UOul7K6z69I'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'too bad i can't go to europe and make sure my paranoia isn't real'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't trust the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or make sure i'm wrong, i'm not really being paranoid'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't tell me you go to the supermarket and buy meat without wondering where it comes from :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i had a lump of meat awhile ago that was apparently deer, but i was thinking of people all along'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't get to go deer hunting and the meat was acquired by a relative from somebody else i never met'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'before i seen this here story even'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, you mean that deer in Colorado where there is an epidemic of CJD among them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nah, just the way the meat was wrapped and stuff , it's coloring, it looked different than when i remember hunting my own - so i considered things like these stories about meat while i ate it - cause i seen alot of horror movies and expect the worst from people all the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that i didn't meet the person who gave it to the relative too, it was a strange feeling i had'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder how many of them people eating that beef had strange feelings, maybe the whole story's a fiction though - it's odd them refugees and immigration rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'almost like it's subliminally indicating to the news viewer something '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if I were you I wouldn't eat any of the wildlife from Colorado :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or, have you already?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( that would explain things :> )
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm not the one who lets people waste tens of thousands of hours of their life on this game, maybe they're the ones who ate it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'well that, and this other article i found while researching feb 27. http://www.thelocal.se/15148/20081022/#.UOusN66z69L  the day after a much-criticized speech in which he described the generation born in the 1940s as a köttberg, or 'meat mountain'.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'masterful design anyways, whoever does the news'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd be interested in getting a meat sample and testing what kind of meat it is, after seeing the painting on bbc and stuff'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if i was a journalist or had a sick mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and knew science'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly the whole story's are hoax's though, they're only websites that aren't verifiable'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'are people being starved to death in hungary? http://www.xpatloop.com/news/72226 '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from looking up 'hungary news' on google i found that'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the most be hungry'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah?  don't you feel righteous with your free money and disarmed from birth opponents'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet you couldn't stand a true fight'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what's a true fight?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'one in which we have a equal growth-potential and opportunity'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this game is forfeit though, too late for change'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i blame it on god until i hear him call me'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you'll never catch me!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Chemosh, I am calling yoooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was thinking today: "Given that traditionally, the societal safety net was provided by family, community, and the church, and now due to changes in society and activity of the government, it's really only provided by the government (and badly).... I wondered... Is there any way that the government can provide a safety net to it's citizens that is fair and non-descriminatory'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not sure what is meant by "non-dEscriminatory" - may or may not be the same as "non-discriminatory" (from a new-word perspective)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'discriminatory'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and don't be a spelling Nazi'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Heil!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no danger of you commenting on the topic, then :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is a dengerous topic, since some of the zealous disgruntlted are going to prefer to discriminate against the "bad, depraved, criminal" subsections of society, in order to bring about a "better" society'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much why i was wondering if there was a way of providing a safety net that didn't discriminate'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing i could come up with was a government payment made to every adult citizen every week, with everybody getting exactly the same amount'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there isn't, unless you don't count stuff like "80% of blacks live below the poverty line" that would lead to calls for more money given to the affected group.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there could be no argument there since the 80% of blacks that were until then living below the poverty line would be getting the same as everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's the beautiful simplicity of the idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you really don't know how racism works, do you?  With a statistic like that, black advocates are going to advocate for more money because their perception is that there's more ground to make up to get the stat back on par with the other group(s).'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their calls are irrelevent and can be ignored at that point'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a very out of touch viewpoint in today's world, where Blacks are the Whites of the minority superfaction.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if it's a choice between living in a 'real' world full of delusion and hypocrisy, or living is a world of my own based on principle, and reasoning, then i'd better stay in my own cloud cuckoo land'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides, i was thinking primarily about the UK, where there isn't such a big race issue being pushed by the media and successive governments'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "colored" invaded England, they were not forced to emmigrate to England -- so they do not deserve extra, perhaps they merit less'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were invited here from the commonwealth to help rebuild after ww2'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'UK was one of the points of the Slave Triangle.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we didn't import black slaves, we had our own white serfs'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, you DID import them.  I believe you were also one of the first to stop the practice.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we didn't import them to the UK, we exported them to USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "traitors" in the English government and bureacracy "invited" the "coloreds" into England on the flimsy pretext of "rebuilding"'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riiight'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anyone see Alex Jones on the Piers Morgan show the other day?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i saw it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are only going to hear the cold hard facts from here -- no poiltically-correct dressing drivel - no free debate ride coddling your faulty deluded emotions'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seen a lot of Piers being rude to guests lately'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he kinda got what he deserved'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'politically'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's naturally like that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Piers has been using the death of 20 kids as propoganda for his show because his ratings are flagging and they're threatening to shove him to a late night slot'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the Piers ploy working, or are the advertising products being boycotted by the angry irate'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't appear to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the ploy never works.  AirAmerica and MSNBC found that out the hard way.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's just pissing people off. getting a lot coverage yes, but alienating people at the same time'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they even attempted to resurrect the Fairness Doctrine as a way to save AirAmerica from lack of exposure.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does look like things are coming to a head, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were the UK parliament right to restrict rises on most non-disability related benefits to 1% for the next 3 years?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'public sector pay has been frozen for 2 years followed by a 1% cap'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but did they raise the Parliamentary salaries as a reward for the savings brought by those austerity measures  (sarcasm)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'believe the parliamentary salary was pinned in the same manner'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should note they pay Uk mp's far less than US politicians'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'less than a couple hundred thousand a year?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in dollars? about $100,000pa'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when paliamentary salaries are low, there is less encouragement for crooks to enter politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still get 'em'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when paliamentary salaries are raised high, that's when the crooks enter politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'but more incentive to take kickbacks'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, lobbying and insider trading is where the money is'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'regarddless of the salary, crooks are likely to take kickbacks -- a higher salary is an extra bonus and incentive for crooks to be in politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'When salaries are low, there is less incentive for competent people to enter politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'higher salaries do not attract the competent to politics as much as attract the dishonest -- to say "higher salaries attract the competent to politics" is similar to the blatant lie of the trickle-down theory'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i somewhat agree with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that's always the way with large monolithic parliaments, is why you're better off with distributed power among smaller more local democracies'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as STATE governance in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also benefit from being more responsive and reflective of the population they represent'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those Republican Presidential Candidates were religious "loons" -- definitely "no competence" there when they believe in creationism'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only decent candidate was Ron Paul and everybody outside the GOP knows it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the blatant lie of "trickle-down economics"'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'giving every adult in the UK 100 quid a week would cost 208 billion quid'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the danger with that extra stipend is that the money is likely to be wasted on vices (worsening crime) or spent on foreign products (worsening the trade balances)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the English model of government is knowing how to manage (several when imperial) countries of disgruntled greedy incompetent vice-addled middle and lower-class populaces, so that some semb,ance of decency fairness and ecomomic wealth results ( <-- raw statement - requires work)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: at the lower-class level, many of the English are vice-addled greedy selfish gambling crooks, dishonest and deranged -- the upperclass is or was aware of this, and managed the Empire without being excessivvly brutal (at least in England) (while exploiting the other countries in the process to pay for the English model of government)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a pretty bizarre statement with no basis in fact'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the Tigernuts suggestion of more local governance is doomed to failure'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is the ruling class in the UK that are dishonest and greedy'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'TV and government policy have turned much of the working class into materialistic, narciccistic slobs, it's true'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Surely a lot of credit goes to schools and parents too!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'schools are the programming wing of the government'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when it comes to parents, you're talking about a feedback loop'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a 100 quid a week payment to everyone in place of all existing benefits would increase the welfare bill by 60%'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, would save a couple of billion in administration. Would need to simplify the tax system and raise taxes on everyone to make up the shortfall. not difficult'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '100 bucks doesn't go anywhere these days.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '100 quid is 160 bucks, and is what someone here working part time here would get'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's considerably more than what unemployment currently pays, and isn't far off a single person's pension'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Styliann: 'only more than unemployment if you dont consider housing and council tax benefits Tiger...'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'foreigners are more likely to observe the defects of English society, than an Englander long-used to petty corruption and dishonesties as "normal" and not even seen as anything amiss'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'count tax would be scrapped, much more council housing needs to be built'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'council tax is a horrid regressive tax, should never have been introduced'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Englanders notice that which bothers them, not what they already accept as normal'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how long before prices rise and inflation gobbles up that 100 pounds'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an example amount. would assume it would go up with inflation'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'business is greedy -- unregulated business seeks to grab whatever business may get -- self-disciplined self-regulation is rare (conjecture: very few prefer to earn less so the economy may (allegedly) remain stable)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, the global benefit is the only sensible idea i've ever heard for an equitable safety net'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can think of a better way, say away'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps first work on countering the damage done by religions -- as religions are used by corrupt politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion is dead in the UK, so not a relevent point'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in islamic Arab society, politics and religion are intertwined -- the concept of "separation of religion and state" is unknown or dismissed'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a result of the islamic eagerness for "Sharia Law", Islam in the USA is subversive and unAmerican, even traitorous'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that recent Royal Wedding seemed extremely "Anglican" and expensive -- some doubt that religion is dead yet in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is not an Islamic state nor Islamic society, so not relevent'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but which is the fastest growing or breeding religion in the UK -- perhaps the answer is affected by how many nonwhites infiltrated the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'days of mass immigration would be put an end to by withdrawing from the EU. problem solved'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, Islam (unless stopped) may be an eventual threat to the decency of the constitution of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have far more immediate threats to the constitution than Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but look at where Islam is gaining converts in the USA and the reasons -- as though converts are rejecting the lies of christianity for the lies of islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you sorted out the problem with the more immediate threat, you might alleviate the things that are causing that movement'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'I'm not worried about Islam.  Atheism as a reported % of religious adherence is the fastest-growing class.  Religion will probably be gone entirely within a couple hundred years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be wary of "bad atheisms"'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"decent atheisms" are likely okay'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'What is your definition of "bad" atheism?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"bad atheism" is described by prior examples more so than by definitions'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'I'm pretty sure that...is a meaningless statement.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give us a prior example'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was going to provide examples, but Careo ignoranlly trolled that a meaningful statement was meaningless -- so riddance'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Saying that '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: '"bad atheism" is described by example rather than by definitions is a meaningless statement.  Sorry, but that's a fact.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you accusing others of trolling is a tad hypocritical'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is what trolls also do - not hypocritical'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Obama's new Treasurey secretary elect won't get voted in'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some trolls are able to recognise and out worse trolls'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how is Hillary Clinton these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'miraculous recovery, apparently'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does socialism occur when too many people are forced to live in too small a place? aka. metropolitan areas'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? the voting evidence does suggest it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'elaborate?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at electoral map of UK or USA, the more rural the constituency, the less likely it'll be a left-leaning party winning it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'ah, yes, urban areas are more socially liberal'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'but that doesn't make them socialist, economically'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does socially liberal even mean these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except that farmers depend on the good graces of the multi-year farm bills to survive.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two inevitably go hand in hand'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an artifact of globalism, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, the US was doing farm bills long before globalism.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you want cheaper food, you must give the farmers support.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was when supply > demand'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simple solution: pay the going rate for your food'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Also, if you want a steady supply of food all year, you need to give farmers support during leaner times.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'but there's a difference between shared opportunity and shared ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so that they can survive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a difference between shared ownership among people and shared ownership among people and government'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'well look at new york city for example'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'very socially liberal voting block, but still the heart of capitilism'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'capitalism*'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The farm program is one of the few programs I support, I just want big corporations to receive less of the money, and more of it to go to small and medium sized farms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corps shouldnt be getting any of it, in fact, it's in interests of every to push big corps out of food production'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The govt sure does make a big deal about flu season.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'same here in Sweden. Or, the media, first and foremost.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's so they can flog more pointless vaccines and make more money for their buddies in the pharma business'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'at best, they are only trying to make money...'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, the flu shot around here is $6, not much profit there.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and you haven't paid more for them in tax money? ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh oh, Sweden is in hot pursuit of highly dangerous garlic smugglers in the country!  They are armed and dangerous with pasta sauce!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And the british are behind the evil garlic scheme!'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How democratic....Iceland has federal rules that determine what name you can use for your child....I guess moondance is not on the list.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in the US, your child gets taken away if you use names connected to the Nazis.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those male icelandic names are sissy'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what?  I haven't heard of any children in the US getting taken for their name.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heard that at least one afroUSamericans changed his name to Adolf Hitler'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some guy and his wife had two children taken away from them because they had Nazi German names.  The children were discovered when said parents attempted to get a personalized birthday cake from Walmart.  The cake decorator was quite offended by the name, and called the authorities.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Adolf & Eva?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '[citation required]'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Jhav, it was "some guy", what more do you need to know?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I remember a story about them not being able to to get a personalised birthday cake, but I don't remember the children being taken away.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sue Walmart for racial discrimination against Germans -- possible in Canada'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'better, (in Canada) charge Walmart and the cake decorator with the crime of racial discrimination (against Germans)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, at least there is yet the freedom to be prejudiced'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dont Know What You Got Till It's Gone -- Cinderella'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Parking Lot - Jody Collins  '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Welcome to the Machine -- Pink Floyd'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'look at this ww2 nipple head http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/01/09/ontario-elementary-teachers-announce-political-protest.html , what's he gonna do, round them up with his non-gestapo gulag and put them on a backwards treadmill'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if jesus was alive today he would call the nazi's out of their tomb'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'like lazarus'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus was a fiction character and did not actually raise any dead'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'he's the blessed son of jehovah who some nations say is on their side'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '(so that nation's probably the roman jesus)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'actually, Jesus indirectly stated the Jehovah was the devil'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Jehovah of the OT was depraved and bloodthirsty'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but he had sugary words of slavery for the masses'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that extolled their earthly pharoah'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, you Chemosh are too ambiguous and are not believed'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh tells lies based on the misinterpretation likely to happen from the lazy and or deliberate ambiguities'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '"She could have taken our olive branch and waited for a new leader to try and find solutions, but she chose not to." http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2013/01/09/ontario-elementary-teachers-announce-political-protest.html  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KImDeRy46A i wonder if they're speaking democratic religiously in the article'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't hear people handing around olive branches very often'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh seems obsessed with symbolism'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The United States constitution enunciates a doctrine of separation of church and state which precludes the state from supporting any religion. The Canadian guarantee protects the right of the individual to practice the religion of his or her choice, but also permits the state to support religious groups -- indeed it requires the state to support minority Roman Catholic and Protestant school systems in some provinces as a consequence of the concern of the fathers of Confederation that minority religious rights be protected. http://www.scc-csc.gc.ca/court-cour/ju/spe-dis/bm04-04-05-eng.asp'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'how false can that be proven'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in america even, i guess canada has it's mount of olives rubber stool of world war 2'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'both the USA and Canada protects the rights of the populace'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's a pure lie, they take them all away'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're like the holocaust that the nazi's didn't do after the holocaust'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA protects the people from the burden of favored religions'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Canada protects the rights of large religions to educate their children in private religious schools (by proportionally funding them according to the electoral roles)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i said years ago that harper/obama would be the last leaders of canada/america, looks like i might be right doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's kind of like genesis 9:11, revelations 17:15, mandatory circumcision and if day'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely wrong, you seem depressed, if you believe the end is near'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nature evolved the homo sapiens to be not circumcised -- circumcision is an abomination and against the laws of nature evolution and God'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and also evidence of a religious cult running the government'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'such as the one who receives countless billions of dollars (or 3.4 trillion some years in the last couple decades) '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and then spends it on purchasing products from it's own companies'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'making your various smut whore american whore factory business opportunities'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'again, Chemosh is obscure ambiguous and annoying and not supplying specific information '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is foaming out confusion -- reminiscent of Jude 1:13'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'if it was up to me i'd destroy this planet and laugh at your loss'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some people's children don't deserve to be baptized by cobra spit'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Happy Days are here again, traallaalala'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've been in syndication since forever.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i bet most of these reality tv shows can be traced back to budapest and stalingrad in their mockery of the people they ignore, where they can't make money anyhow'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'd like to put them in a fence and mock them on 1 egg a year or so'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have some good giggles on their behalf, show them what i got and make it feel so much better by how their desire is denied'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe let them reproduce so i can torment their children'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'get them back in other words, that'd be awesome'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade does not view those "reality" tv-shows -- too fictional and the acting is pathetic
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'israel puts up statue 'thank you red guard' , do they have one for non-enemies too?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'http://wh.gov/UVuD    Sign the petition to start up a nuclear powered rocket engine to explore the solar system initiative....'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe if they used professionally-trained eyecandy actors and followed a decently-written script, with plenty of retakes, maybe those reality-tv-shows may not be so bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we already did.  The Death Star petition got the requisite 25k signatures before 12/22/12.  Dunno if the White House responded, though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'as the beverly hills jewish tax burden mafia from russia to change the script'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh, it would take the resources of all 9 planets to build a damn death star. :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'polonium nuclear reactors are not to be used in outerspace craft -- a polonium reactors burning up on reentry is a doomsday device'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they wouldnt be used on re entry, it is only for going to mars, or the moon...you use a traditional capsule to re enter earth atmosphere.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'until, I think, the crazy events leading to gun control petitions and financial reform, it was the most popular petition on the site.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'exactly how does a nuclear-powered-engine work without poisoning the atmosphere and outerspace'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's moreorless an advanced steam engine, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You wouldn't eject the fuel in the atmosphere, just use it for generating heatr.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Heat*'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the DeathStar peition was an obvious troll to show that many of the USatan public are uneducated incompetent and reckless'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Something like Project Orion is quite different.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '(though really, really cool)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, what's Orion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_pulse_propulsion'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so are the drone laser's http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20944726'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Just about the most awesome way of propelling a spacecraft proposed.  We'd never went for it though, and I can understand why.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a steam rocket engine - unbelievable'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly the holocaust too'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'gotta incinerate a couple people to see a difference in the color of the ashes'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even a steam rocket engine is going to eject H2O molecules and deplete the water supply'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in a world that's covered with the stuff, I don't see it being a problem.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we also have entire planets made of the components.  If we were actually in danger of running out of water, ever, we'd probably focus on harvesting those.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and to superheat the steam, that reactor is going to be superhot and likely leaking metal molecules along with the H2O molecules, and the pressures ans stresses involved are likely to be huge'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Why is Haiti no better off despite quake relief effort? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20967845 i mentioned that yesterday, article claimed the money goes to criminals in south america fighting for their communist freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the united nations soldiers beat the snot out of people who's food costs twice as much'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, water has a really low boiling point.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'just like the death camps in warsaw the jews want people to believe was them and not their russian jesus'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'although every single person in their video evidence was jewish, on the outside of the fence'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'event he police were jewish'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to superheat and or speed up steam into molecules energetic enough to propel a rocket ship, the temperatures and pressures and velocities and energies are going to be huge - doubt that current technology is advanced enough to build a sturdy spaceship-size nuclear-steam-rocket-engine'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'multiculturalism tolerance: A week of arrests across Israel culminated on Sunday with the several bus loads of South Sudanese being taken to the airport. Most showed up by themselves. They know by now that there is little point in trying to hide. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/06/201261719514228633.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's hard to hide chocolate in a vanilla pudding :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'omg it's the nazi roundup's, who woulda thunk those billions in free money (trillions) they receive from their occupied governments of liberal multiculturalism would be spent on such selfish people'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're all expected to conform to being led by jewish people and their version of multiculturalism, oppressing certain subsets of the population with mind control, that they proudly perform at home, immune to any law'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'someone didn't think through their quest for 72 virgins...'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or concept of fairness, they get upset with a million wasted dollars, and suck in trillions possibly, per year, from their occupied governments'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they use white chocolate to hide chocolate in white pudding'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know you are not serious, Hanslanda.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i seen porno websites dedicated to devirgination, odds are they're owned by jews'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'There is such thing as Sudanese Jews.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jews support ethiopea, which supports haiti (in the 1970's) with a medal of honor, from the haitian genocide of the white french, except their women and children which were useful to rape'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'in the 1804 year'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they even ask people on television for free money to rescue the poor ethiopean jews'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's intersting, Chemosh, since Ethiopians are arabs :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_Massacre (a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Duvalier (b http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant#Ethiopia (c'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'worship of genocide'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and supported by jews apparently'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'qtsh'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Q'tesh - Stargate Atlantis used a lot of ancient Egyptian references (and the modern arabs are not reminiscent of ancient Egyptians)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Arab is a genetic pool not a political designation, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_of_Denmark  The Frankfurter Zeitung was outspoken in its condemnation of Alexandra and her sister, the Dowager Empress of Russia, saying that the pair were "the centre of the international anti-German conspiracy". In Turkey she became the first woman to sit down to dinner with the Sultan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavrilo_Princip was born in the remote village of Obljaj near Bosansko Grahovo, at the time de jure part of Bosnia Vilayet within the Ottoman Empire, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abd%C3%BCl%C3%A2ziz was the 32nd Sultan of the Ottoman Empire and reigned between 25 June 1861 and 30 May 1876.   In 1868 Pertevniyal was living in the Dolmabahçe Palace. That year Abdülaziz led the visiting Eugénie de Montijo, Empress of France, to see his mother. Pertevniyal perceived the presence of a foreign woman within her quarters of the seraglio as an insult. She reportedly slapped Eugénie across the face, almost resulting in an international incident'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'both (original) Jews and Arabs belong to the same genetic pool. Though they differentiate themselves. As the legend goes (which sounds just like the foundation of Rome:>) Brothers Shem and Hem are the founders. From Shem comes the Semites (Jews) and from Hem come the Hemites (Arabs) :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdivisions_of_the_Ottoman_Empire#Administrative_reform.2C_1864 A list dated 1527 shows eight eyalets, with Egypt, Syria, Diyarbekir and Kurdistan added to the original four. The last eyalet, however, did not survive as an administrative entity. Süleymans conquests in eastern Turkey, Iraq and Hungary also resulted in the creation of new eyalets.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all this really explains what the Jews were doing in Egypt. Again even though they differentiate themselves, what probably happened is that they were the segment of the population who had been turned into slaves. When they fled, they became another "race".'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so there's ww1 and the re-unification of the muslim's today, likely'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the paper they use for printing is more expensive than what gets printed unless they print large denominations :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haj_Amin_al-Husseini and here's a guy who advised adolf hitler when it's leadership changed after ww1'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and mussolini too, possibly explaining the pope's adaptation of his heavenly religion after overturning the devil's advocate'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is a fact that Pope Pius XII was  pro-Nazi. No one argues that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'according to the articles, that's what i think is going on in the world today - at a deeper level but not neccessarily the deepest'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'russia has high politicians from jordan and other places too'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'some event that was to be hosted in china was hosted in the middle east instead the other year, see what communism seems to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Russians are not communist :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not openly, the politicians speak a different language than mandarin in their higher german'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'what is communism, something called communism or something that's existed since ww1 and earlier, a system of government'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if anything, Russia has taken Capitalism to an extreme that shows the flaws with the its theory.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'with its theory*'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'have you ever heard of my piecing together of the similar facts in them articles in any history story?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I have a theory'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, what's that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'something to do with re-education facilities and 60,000 near-misses i imagine'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'If a US citizen uses his or her citizenship to marry a foreign national in order to grant that person permanent green card status, is that morally wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'legally wrong, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'I'll grant that it's legally wrong, but I am curious as to the general opinion on the morality of the issue.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they even say it themselves, they want a global islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but there seems to be the ottomon empire, suggesting that's what they mean, and there's world war's that subvertedly didn't see that'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I don't see where morality has anything to do with it. It's illegal and that is all that it matters.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not neccessarily true, but it's quite a bit of coincidence isn't it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, it only matter if you are from certain countries. You never hear of anyone  being accused for marrying a Canadian :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i didn't write the articvles, they're written in history though - which was rewritten by franz fischer according to what i read, some of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe even he didn't know that'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'marriage to a Canadian is usually an elevation in status to a USAtan'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'be that as it may... the law is applicable, though not enforced.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Some laws aren't majestic enough for me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20961651 what's he saying, 'sovereign states are not in america's best interest of converting the world to the ottomon empire'?'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nothing wrong with helping out the people and liberally being led by their best interests of starting ww1 and ww2 i guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'think of the respect for life they have'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'turn your attention outwards and ignore yourself for america as they say'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'take the Borne movies, the only thing they have in common with the book is the titles.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Borne marries the Canadian woman in the book. She appears in all of them. They killed her early in the 2nd movie.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chenosh, your (mis)use of sarcasm, amidst the background of inane posts and disjointed comments, results in you appearing as a "raving lunatic", since the audience is unsure whether you are crazy-serious or bungling the sarcasm -- your platform is an incoherent mess of muck '
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, The Borne Identity was made into a tv movie starring Chamberlain and Jaclyn Smith, it managed to stay near the book.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all misses :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade does not recall Jaclyn Smith as a main character in The Bourne Identity 
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the tv movie'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even that is an assumption, Rizgoth. No one can testify as to who, using what, took over the plane.'
T3/r7/2013-01-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'canada = enough resources to build all the world's military's supplies combined, but can't produce it's own'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i guess first is to build some innovative submarines to sink aircraft carriers and personelle carriers, but also have to build some air defense'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'falsifying their navigation systems would be a handy use of a new satellite'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe 10,000 submarines, 45,000 innovative originally designed fighter jets and bombers, a network of satellites, 30,000 warships and a population of people with a concept of slavery and freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'got every variety of fuel for the weaponry and stuff that shouldn't be a problem, rebuilding the linker and microchip designs from scratch to avoid subversive moles'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'then after the war's over they can turn them into car's and stuff like that, since the threat isn't being a threat anymore'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'staying on their side of the world and vice versa'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jpay for it with money, that purchases the things your land provides distributed from that side of the ocean'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'can reinvent money after the war'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'nice, so canada has titanium mines too, lets see which side of the world owns it's operation - i think russia owns one in america'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or that could be plutonium, but i'm not sure'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe platinum'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's not impossible to devise some military equipment that can absorb 2000 degrees celcius'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: '1700 celcius titanium + absorbing 300+'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'there's my fleet of submarines and warships under development, and tanks'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm just pointing out the slavery system and how much of a lie sovereignty is'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'missiles that can fire 16,000 miles and nuclear warheads on satellites in outer space (which they say they don't have)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so, best to get 58 or so for sneak attacks the other way'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the russian owned mechel owns a COAL mine in the US....there are no others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a russian govt controlled company tried to buy a uranium mine in wyoming though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and there's china pushing it's weight around on the news south china sea and saskatchewan sending them 70 dollars less per tonne discount potash of 1 million tonnes'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'which is used for explosives iirc'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that would be the height of irony, Russia mines fissionable material in the US :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'apart from fertilizer'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'talk about Entante :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think that companies partly owned by australia, but the communists in government probably have a hand in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'national security and sovereingty or economics'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'not much economics under communism or ottomon empire'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they want they take, if you disagree you can see the end on the news every day'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'richest people in capitalist nations get all their money from slandering the government anyways, which is what communism is'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'save the poor etc, then starve them to death'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's all free money, just like those 'just say no' results on the news'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they're evidence'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe canada needs a governor general who has more authority than the prime minister who isn't a communist'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'supposed to be representing british interests that aren't russia's marx dream of ottomon empire ww1 and 2's aren't they'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoism is how much they respect the rights or traditions or history (communism) of any people they rule, Chinese propaganda poster from the Cultural Revolution: "Destroy the old world. Forge the new world." A Red Guard crushes the crucifix, Buddha, and classical Chinese texts with a hammer; 1967.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Destroy_the_old_world_Cultural_Revolution_poster.png http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/reports-on-death-of-children-highlights-repression-of-journalists-in-china-a-876073.html call it acceptable government'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'these tradeoffs are just fine with me, i'll be one of the caesar lords of a district with my offspring inheriting my reigns'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'll have statues built of my image that will be worshipped by the slaves that my children feast on'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'this is progress, this is just government'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'either that or some kind of mandatory worship at a place where if you don't show up you'll be blasphemer'd'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2012/08/29/mb-garbage-collection-seniors-concerns.html 'non-communism' '
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i can sniff these commies out pretty good'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i'm probably accurate alot of the time too, that's the scary part that the government doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'alternative 'they were just being selfish mafia's of non communism non-ottomon , short minded sugar cubes''
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or there's the famous, these news were not related'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i won't bother with mountains of meat quotes from sweden and export of elderly in germany though, i've been into that already for consideration's sake of pork dyed to look like beef'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'floating refugees or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or ash paintings'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'that's not nazi's doing that, is it?  if it's not then it's communists who the nazi's fought again, which is where the confusion for alot of people comes from'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Joshua chapter 8 -> what if A-i were artificial intelligence (or the multitude of counsellors safety of the king of proverbs), and who's lying in wait as they draw your soldiers out of the city they hide behind, 30,000 men of valour - blackwater or some other device?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'shall ye take for a prety unto yourselves: lay thee an ambush for the city behind it -> subversion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'looks like they did chase'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wonder what's happening next'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'genesis 9:11 -> nomore flesh cut off, mandatory circumcision, revelation 17:15'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i think they fly the flag of israel before america's flag in photo shoots'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems every occupied by jewish nation is ruled by them and their foreign interests first'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so 2 desert people're the enemy and some communists they invented '
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or their beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and the nazi's too, they were black flag enemied by the ottomon/jewish conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'pay the masters for their hard work of destroying you, if you can afford it, otherwise they'll require it of your worms'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jehovah requires it of you alot of the time as he blasphemess the idea of justice'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'jehovah built a 2.4 billion dollar hotel near paradise las vegas there during the economic recession'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'possibly not all from the billions of federal aid spent on the companies they own, for their hard work of purchasing what they earned'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'or was it trillions then'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'dance in my net casino slutwhore house for jesus'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'amazing ignorance http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/taxseason/story/2012/12/13/f-rrsp-2013-late-retirement.html the non-commumists showing what's the immediate wisdom, http://www.thelocal.se/15148/20081022/ .. JFK releasing communists from prison, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/26/german-elderly-foreign-care-homes .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'amazing ignorance http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/taxseason/story/2012/12/13/f-rrsp-2013-late-retirement.html the non-commumists showing what's the immediate wisdom, http://www.thelocal.se/15148/20081022/ .. JFK releasing communists from prison, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/26/german-elderly-foreign-care-homes .. Without counsel purposes are disappointed: but in the multitude of counsellers they are established. (Proverbs 15:22) while that choice definitely has its drawbacks, the impact on one's retirement finances is generally positive, financial advisers say. -- mystery meat (fallout 3): http://www.thelocal.se/45440/20130105/ it's interesting, considering 'mountain of meat' -- ex-communist estonia statues of salvation, etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/dominicanrepublic/3388611/Refugees-lost-at-sea-Eating-friends-tasted-like-beef.html maybe some subliminal media wizardry like the garbage, but maybe not'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Film_Unfinished how come it's unfinished?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Saddest_Music_in_the_World filmed (2003)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16662346 'h5n1' (20 jan 2012) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20975528 'h3n2' (10 jan 2013)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'it's a paranoia'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenbaum never happened i guess, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_Day'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'At its peak in the 1940s and 1950s, polio would paralyze or kill over half a million people worldwide every year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_poliomyelitis mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and it's making a comeback thanks to anti-vaccine retards'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'Significant reductions in tooth decay were also reported by important early studies outside the U.S., including the BrantfordSarniaStratford study in Canada (19451962), the TielCulemborg study in the Netherlands (19531969), the Hastings study in New Zealand (19541970), and the Department of Health study in the U.K. (19551960) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_fluoridation who's that country proud of it's dentures for 1/3 of the world smiling'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide was interesting too, apparently britain had front page newspaper of birth defects in 1951, but canada continued to use it until 1963'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chemosh is spamming currently-irrelevant crappastnews on debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_human_experimentation / http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Barbie / 'Barbie Flu' Spreading in Ukraine http://www.forbes.com/sites/katyasoldak/2012/10/17/barbie-flu-spreading-in-ukraine/'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless Chemosg is hoping that a "god" (watching the debate channel) may decide to change the past - unlikely, this is the timetrack that was predone and occured, so suckitup or suckstobeyou if you are dissatisfied with the far past'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'trying to see a better picture of history by considering things together'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'those things're pretty interesting to consider to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i wasn't there to write it all down for them though, so i don't know it's real - only that some people were called baby until they were 12'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'from the 'baby boomer' generation'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that old news as far as debating is concerned is: "been there, done that, boring, move on, debate current relevant news" '
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seeing the nature of who runs the world is relevant to understanding the odds and ends of this world'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so understanding who they are and what they're influenced by in thinking is important'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'use echo if you want to post boring old news'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the lack of relevant commmentry and setup to the posts, results in the posts as being mere old boring noise from a chemical-mush-head'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw, did "Chemosh" choose that aard-name as an indication of being damaged into a "chemical mush" by prior drugs alcohol and current pharmaceuticals'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't know, looks like a even cooler story than the 2009 movie the killing room to me, although it's not in movie form http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Room , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'chemo-therapy superhero'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'but that's not what i meant when i picked it, it's a abomination in the bible'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i liked the name , i pick names up for fiction games like this like that, rabshakeh's one of my favourites too'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think portals are a mistake.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'navigating is such a flexible thing to add ideas to make the gameplay more interesting. portals close the door.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'crawl back to Amish county, you luddite'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'whats a luddite?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'milder version of a saboteur'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 's.. i hoped it to be a personal attack:('
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'luddites were resistance to the industrial revolution which provided so much lost opportunity today'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'luddites were the selfish shirtsighted resistance to the industrial revolution (which provided so much gained opportunity today)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'technology could have evolved without replacing and intervening between people and every aspect of natural life'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the ludditists were the last ones that could produce some real music.. to protest the industrialist world domination attemtps. but now its all woohoo! yippeee! baby baby baby!. everyone is converted to quickies from the pleasure-bits'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'now it's used like the threshing floor of god where he's separating the wheat from the chaff'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at .... Hwuaijijal's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'saku kuld'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so seeking to remove portals from Aardwolf is typical of an Amish luddite  '
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so you're calling lasher and lumia amish luddites?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dagnir, provide details when the admin is intending to remove all portals from the Aardwolf game'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no intentions, already done. they removed portals from new areas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not sure who's decision it was, but i guess the main imm and lead builder qualify'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'of course, it's not removing all portals, but considering the area redos and new areas, it should be more than half by now'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"removed" or "did not permit" new portals in new areas -- there is a difference - if "not permit", that is old news'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so you're saying it's totally different and doesn't apply to them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought you were implying that portals are a good thing and people who are against them are amish luddites'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that move reduced the number of portals significantly'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i'm saying you are muckraking'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i quote - "so seeking to remove portals from Aardwolf is typical of an Amish luddite"'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with less and less portals, more players are foeced to upgrade to aardclient (or equivalent) to reduce the long boring run spams'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i was criticising the "Hwuaijijal: 'i think portals are a mistake -- portals close the door." a blanket statement that is reminiscent of a return to amish simplicity using luddite fifth-column subversion'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you, Dagnir, muckraked and attempted censorship by misapplying the blanket-statement context (of a suspected Amish Luddite) to the specific context done by the administration (those that seek to do wise changes to improve the game)  -- different contexts'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'to zade: you left out the most important part'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The seized documents suggested that the remains of dead Ukrainians were destined for a factory in Germany belonging to the subsidiary of a U.S. medical products company, Florida-based RTI Biologics.  http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/body-snatchers-310223.html .. interesting article'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe i'll post a link to that one on a news site and see what they'll see'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'my favotite rpg, the incredible Morrowind, died when the walking was replaced by portals when the game advanced.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'kind of disturbing, usually only china's chastigated for harvesting flesh from inmates'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'portals as room-fixtures improve a game - permits mass transit - reduces spam and bandwidth - so those portals are "good"'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'portals carried by players increase item-count and weight - and increases lag from disk-saves - those portals are viewed as "bad" (from an administration and (overburdened-player) perspective)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a game died because portals were introduced, likely other reasons were involved -- (providing "closure" is supposed to enhance not kill a decent skill game)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i adored the athletics skill in Morrowind, they probably were high when doing it but it was one of the sweetest skill there'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'coding it*'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'portals carried by players that do not increase storage requirements may be viewed as "good" (by administration)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'zade, go fuck yourself'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"athletics fun" may be compared to Partroxis Otherworld "getting through the annoying maze to a Quest mob" athletics - not fun when pressed by an expiry-time or the desire is to earn qp (like during a global qreset)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'thanks Dagnir, that was refreshing'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'north korean technology is rusting 1970s russian stuff'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'snow covers Jeruselem. Global warming anyone?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global warming rules, Most of Texas was just drenched by 2+ inches of rain, and refilled our lakes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, we've had a mild winter so far, turned cold now though. Russia having coldest winter for decades'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on average, it's all averaging out'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one lake in the Dallas area that is used for water supply increased its depth by 12 feet....'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys are set for the year, then'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's if all of Obama's Mexicans and Californians that have been parachuted into Texas don't drink it all'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some venezuelens believe Jesus was socialist, and Chavez was more important than him'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also idolise Chez Guevera despite him liking torturing Spanish/Mexicans'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from this we must conclude that the supporters of Chavez are a bit thick'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i guess they are a bit bought off around the edges'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much the same approach that Obama took in the US, and Tony Blair took in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, you said that Chavaz was more important than Jesus - indicates you do not believe in Jesus'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said that some Venezuelens believe that'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see you're employing democrat logic'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'there is no such thing as that Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, the comma and the missing "that"s before Jesus and Chavez -- use punctuation and grammar wisely -- they are democratic?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the comma was fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"that" is redundant'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're allowed to misunderstand what i wrote, it's not a crime, and i'm not a particularly clear writer'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'either drop the comma, and or add the "that"s - to avoid the "democrat" and or English-major interpretation'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drop the comma and idiots will then claim i was saying that Jesus was Chavez'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since they're not interested in what i actually said, only at deliberately misunderstanding and picking holes at grammar'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts,(if) you were educated in England -- do not murder the King's language '
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the language does not belong to any King'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the queen is a traitor to the country, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yes, eliminate Elton John asap'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need, he'll die soon of some camp disease'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like US is headed for a the debt ceiling and a no-deal'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: ''Secretary of Defense ' <-> (SECDEF) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Threat_Reduction_Agency (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction) (http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/) -> Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism from a book about pow's brainwashed by china during korean war (1953)'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'doesn't it sound kind of childish, are you the SECDEF or what'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'loading the secdef, this is the boy scouts badge of thought conformity'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you do know the military is really big on acronyms, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'yeah, obfuscation to keep things mystical so they can handle the management'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'although anybody who's a real threat to them already knows most of their stuff that isn't classified'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so they just try to godify their military status among the slave population'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'with SECDEF childspeak not adapted from korea'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so i don't know why it's like that, since their acronym's won't fool their enemies'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'do you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, score one for a housewife protecting her kids, she unloaded on a guy trying to get to her and her kids in the crawlspace of her house....she shot him 5 times, and unfortunately survived...now he will probably sue them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'gun wasn't big enough.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'gun wasn't big enough.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or maybe she was distracted at the last minute by the racoons taking refuge there, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bacon is god's food.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i had some bacon for supper, and it didn't even taste like demons'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'according to the OT Bible, bacon is unclean and not kosher, thus not "God's food"'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, bacon!'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"These are spots (bacon perhaps) in their banquets, feasting together without fear, feeding themselves: clouds without water, which are carried about by winds: trees of the autumn, unfruitful, twice dead, plucked up by the roots:" Jude 1:12 reparaphrased'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a decent God is likely a vegetarian'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'so it was pretty rare to see angels, but extra emphasis is placed on them: 6) And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgement of the great day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you disagree with "a decent god is likely a vegetarian, note a possible alternative: "To Serve Humans" is a cookbook'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'save us from the angels!  alas alas, rest arrused , they are taken care of for i have seen it and have faith in my words'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'don't matter that you can't see it too, don't get all questiony on me now, oh ye of little faith'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'i don't think i could comprehend what god eats and doesn't eat'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'probably can spawn himself a godzilla body and eat whatever he wants'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'strangely, some christians are okay with being eaten by god -- after years of eating the body and drinking the blood of Christ, they are psychologically ready to return the favor -- perhaps Christ is Cthulhu'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'maybe kept their first habitation means were driven out by people like christopher columbus and his word of god'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bacon!'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'and darkness is their version of history and SECDEF system of running things'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Of the world's 10 freest economies, Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand, took the first four places, respectively, on the 2013 Index of Economic Freedom,'
T3/r7/2013-01-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'No european country was in the top10, and the US ranked at #10'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'haha, oh wow :D http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/10/eric-bolling-schools-pushing-the-liberal-agenda-by-teaching-algebra/'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'worth it Dag ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'critical reasoning should be the priority - as with Zade advice and with these sorts of agendas ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'deprogram the sheeple n kidults '
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, dice clay is back.'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/141093#.UO7l8q6z69I real?'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'they both also met with (according to what i seen on internet) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhou_Enlai#Suppression_of_public_mourning has been described by at least one historian as the "midwife" of the Great Leap Forward, turning Mao's theory into reality and in the process causing a "minimum of 45 million" deaths.'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=198996 Nixon secretly recorded his White House conversations. http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=199522'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/12/29/jewish-groups-skeptical-kissinger-apology-year-old-comment-jews-soviet-gas/'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'intesting opinion piece by a russian national: http://tinyurl.com/asabmmc'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would've linked to his blog directly, but it appears to be blocked right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'interesting prison upgrades they're doing in britain tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I ate them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's... the definition of botting.'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'seems wesley snipes is involved with some black-muslim hate groups on his wikipedia page, i seen passenger 57 last night with the quote : John Cutter: Charlie, ever played roulette? Charles Rane: On occasion. John Cutter: Well, let me give you a word of advice. Always bet on black! -- could you imagine if some KKK member was on hollywood putting subliminal verses like that in movies?'
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wesley_Snipes , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nuwaubian_Nation_of_Moors '
T3/r7/2013-01-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chemosh: 'The term Nuwaubu is found in "The Holy Tablets", a 1700-page document published by York in 1996, as the term for "the way of life" of "supreme beings".[8] Nuwaubian teachings are sometimes also referred to as Nuwaubu/Nuwaupu, Wu-Nuwaubu, "Right Knowledge", "Sound Right Reasoning", "Overstanding", "Blackosophy" or "Factology"'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest jobs new: Honda lay off 800, Jessops lay off 1500 in the UK, Time lay off 700 in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NYT, the toilet paper of record, also planning job cuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Armed police invade man's home - shoot him 16 times while he was in his bed'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately he survived'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope he sues'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hannity foresses states leaving union if federal government continues 'radicalized, abusive' pattern'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hmm last time states tried to leave the union they got pounded into submission, so what's different this time?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole world looking'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world is awash wish sucessionist movements, Spain, UK, Italy, Russia'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the whole world (the part that mattered) was looking. Britain, France and Russia. If it hadn't been for Russia, the US would have returned to Britain after the CW.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the people of the world could not "look" in the 18th/19th century, there were barely even newspapers, let alone the immediate media we have now'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we save the whole world...multiple times...mind ya' own bidness :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not saying they wouldn't just roll over the states, but it's not true that it wouldn't be different this time'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and they cared because th civil war was threatening the cotton trade. But now, if the US goes into another civil war, they will just put bibs on and eat what's left of the US for dessert :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wouldn't be different'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia, China will probably sit back, maybe support the underdog'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'lots of people in the world might be of the opinion that and de-federated US might be best for all parties concerned :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually it would be different...it would be MUCH more efficient and one-sided'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i agree, i think it would be best for americans too'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's true, Abe :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then, i'd say that about a lot of large countries - large democracy doesn't actually work very wel'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, they haven't tried large democracies, only large republics :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't have a large republic'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'large democracies are worse than large republics...'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US is a large republic.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agree, abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you stopped becoming a republic when the federal government stopped respecting the constitution that created it'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the concept of republic basically exists to allow a large democracy-like thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'process that started in 1913'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have to say that large democracy doesn't work terribly well in the UK either'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no single democracy on the planet at this time, and I doubt that there ever was. Even in Athens, democracy only applied to certain segments of the population, others had to do as the "democrats" saw fit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will claim that if you had a vote, you were part of the democracy. this is why democracy was likened to two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a big supporter of the republic idea, could work well anywhere, but requires a small federal government with strictly limited and laid out powers'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you have a parliament of any kind your government is not a democracy, it the landed are the ones that vote (in the US is the states) then you don't have a democracy. No matter what the people claim to be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is true, in the purest sense of the word'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'having a representative to vote for you only works if the mapping is one to one, and when the representative can only vote the way you want.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having a representative vote for you is fine provided they do represent you, and not some political party, which is the problem in both places'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That doesn't scale above something like 10 citizens, though. You'd be better off with a direct democracy then.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, they don't represent you if they vote any other way but the way you want, that is the point of representation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yah'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are you working americans finding your higher taxes today? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not going to argue whether they are correct in voting another way or not, but I will object at their "representative" name :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, if they're going to ask what to vote on every decision...no sense having a rep'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that SnailBot Anaristos person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at best, the representative idea is a compromise'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I agree Abe, just don't go telling people you are running a democracy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and nobody has enough hours in the day to perform work duties, family duties, and discuss/vote on every issue that comes up'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i give my government "representative" a pretty hard time'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make him earn his money'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Again, I agree. The only thing it might point out is that seldom the people are consulted. But that's beside the point, I was just showing that there is no democracy with a parliament.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that SnailBot Anaristos person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the people are consulted by virtue of the election...'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'myth, abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the election process is: I tell you the style I have and the types of votes I plan to do...you elect me if you agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Would be fun with a direct democracy where anyone could make proposals, and everyone would get to vote on them. I doubt it would work, but it would be fun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that would be true if the representative could only vote the way those who elected him wanted him to vote or, had to vote the way he said he would vote when he courted the votes :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wouldn't be fun at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's a whole fuckton of Kojiros with nothing better to do'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was sort of the thing they had in mind with the online petition, but it turned into just a means to push agendas, since it didn't bind them to do anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is Kojiro?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, I'll settle for the representative system if they make  one minor chance :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'riiiight'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem with direct democracy is that people are selfish, cannot see beyond themselves, and are morons. Unfortunately, so are politicians.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt there is a perfect system'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some would argue a benevolent dictatorship is better than most'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the problem with republics is that the people in parliment are selfish, cannot see beyond themselves and are morons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I don't agree with that "saving them from themselves" crap that governments always claim. "We did it for their own good, even if they don't agree". That is the #1 political bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the republic of small democracies was always appealing because you had the option of moving to a part which fitted your personal beliefs more closely'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ms Coran had a rant on Room 101 on BBC1 to that end last night, Anaristos, she illustrated it with "windows that don't open more than a few inches"'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the thing is, democracy and republic are mutually exclusive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'restricted democracy, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a restricted democracy is not a democracy :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a system is either a democracy or it is not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If a truly benevolent dictator existed, I would go for that system. Maybe an AI could be the dictator.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a hybrid'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'some kings have been benevolent. So maybe  a modified feudalism like Japan's might work.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia was reasonably close pre 1917, wasn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'depends on who you ask, as with all ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for certain values of 'benevolent''
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you ignore the starving masses you can say they were close ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the masses weren't starving as badly until the red invasion'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when they slaughter the rulers, you've gotta wonder how benevolent they were'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the commies took over after over a decade of fighting. They then got the farmers and serfs to hand in the arms promising peace... and promptly executed 50 million of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the October Revolution didn't develop in  a vacuum. There were legitimate reasons to rebel against the Tsar. But like most movements it ended up being perverted at the end.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's well documented.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yes, the communists were funded by western banks......'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'more than that, The US banks were betting on both sides. JP Morgan and Rockefeller were financing both Alexander and the Bolsheviks. '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everywhere you have a communist revolution, the first thing they do upon gaining power is disarm the people then slaughter all political opponents'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's even worse, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not the first time that they have done that. In Cuba, the US financed both Castro and Batista :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, like war profiteering is something new'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a millenia-old practice'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, it's business as usual :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you have elements of the right in America now getting quite pissy and saying they won't give up their firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's another issue. I have not still figured why the NRA thinks that people should own AK47s. I can see a .38 or .45, but maybe I am missing something :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the argument is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ask the farmers that were disarmed by the communists }:>'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont think it is right that police can come onto private property to gain evidence against you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your opponents have them, then you ought to be adequately armed'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think that the NRA will change its mind when some wacko goes  postal at their headquarters :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't under the 4th ammendment, riz, but that doesn't stop it'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, they can now...patriot act.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, the NRA would LOVE that to happen'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NRA would just shoot the guy'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They cannot enter your house without a warrant.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is kinda the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But they can come on your private property now, and gather evidence to prosecute you without a warrant.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they don't need a warrant if there is probable cause :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They dont need probable cause anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'however, probably cause only allows them to use as evidence anything in line of sight only'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you confusing two things, anaristos? they can come on your property without a warrant if they believe a crime is in progress, or life is at stake'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they've never needed a warrant to merely be on the property, it's where they can go and what they can do on the property that has mattered'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's right'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they're gathering evidence about a crime that's happened, or is being planned, they still need a warrant'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they can stand on my lawn all day'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless it's a matter of national security which is where the PAtriot act comes in'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they can come on your land right now and look into the windows of your house.  Or go into the backyard and look around.  If they then see something suspicious, they can get a warrant to enter the house.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's my understanding'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a warrant gives the police the right to search, they don't need that to walk into your house.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but can't enter my house'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they do if they're not invited'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, they allowed them to come onto your property, that's a violation of the 4th ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is what i said right at the top of this conversation about the republic being undermined'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FISA. Drones. two other good examples'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only way to protect your land now is to erect a fence around it, and put up signs....then they are forced to get a warrant just to go on your land.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the republic was undermined the minute the justices started interpreting the constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I like drones'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'target practices, abe?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best make sure they're over your property if you do :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'generally cheaper and safer than most alternatives'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even power company morons are allowed to come on your walled and sign protected land now, to check the meter....and if they see something suspicious they will call the cops.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so shoot them'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'put the power meter on an outside wall....'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't generally get to install your power meter'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can move it'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but most of them are now radio-type so they have no reason to enter property'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Someone has to physically check the meter? Wow, we used to have that too, you know, before networking.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, you can move it to a location other than on your house.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have fun, got work to do'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nah, this house of mine has a newer digital meter, no one needs to come.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'later farky :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although they did have to replace the new meters here because of a safety issue...meters catching fire :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 40 house marijuana grow house network was busted last summer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in houston.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is really hard to keep something that large secret for long....'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, well, nobody said the potheads were that smart }:>'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all 40 homes were owned by a mexico city businessman....'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, he owns a lot less property now'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the homes became worthless as soon as they were used to grow weed....the mold is terrible in those homes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the Russians would build the largest helicopter in the world....nicknamed 'the cow''
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'already built ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for decades now'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Mi-26 , nice !'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it is really big'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'never really liked helis much , they don't fly like a plane flies but I got a quadcopter for xmas and it is awesome !'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'airwolf flies like a plane when it has to (:'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'airwolf ruled'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'amd the pilot has thw coolest name'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US Army has 2 airwolf prototypes at area-51'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'i believe that airwolf destroyed the only other prototype. Only two were ever built.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for all the amazing roles he's played, I still associate ernest borgnine most as dom santini'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'apparently it crashed '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'june 6 '92'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but i meant Stringfellow'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I know you did'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and he played in winds of war where he sucked'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'was replaced in war and remembrance'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but that ws long ago'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alcohol destroyed jan michael vincent's career.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he started drinking bigtime during season2 of airwolf'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Jan Michael Vincent destroyed his own career.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in most of his scenes you could tell he was drunk.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'alcohol was a catalyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'he flew like an ace anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '4% battery and 20 past midnight is a sign to go to bed'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'means it's time to grab my power cord'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'nah time for another vodka redbull :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'dont umderstand how you can drink that stuff'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'it works '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'tbh I don't drink redbull or any caffine - I have troub enuf sleeping as it is '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or you mean the vodka ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'mainly the redbull'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the taste is less than desirable but it does deliver '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'don't dis the vodka :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'drinking it straight atm with tonic water chaser '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'i just jad a glass of Glenlivet. Thats about the only decent whisky they sell in US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'had*'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they sell all whiskey in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'i talk abiut whisky, not whiskey'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'about*'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Nostravia ! Absolute from the deepfreezer !'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and there is none sold commercially elsewhere which is not also sold in the US...'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'walmart sells Glenfiddich which is close but not close enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'green triangle bottle ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'found Clynelish and Glenlivet in Foodland after some time'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, your liquor store, by whch you're getting knowledge of what good whiskey is, is walmart...'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Clynelish was outrageously prices though'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Jonny Walker blue lable :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '21 year old springbank'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'springbank is great'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Grey Goose vodka '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'in the volumes I consume it is better to economise at some point ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or maybe think about your health and drink less?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's when you do the tiered approach...good stuff to get buzzed and can't tell as much difference, then progressively cheaper stuff :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'after half a bottle you could feed me paint stripper n I'd be ok with that '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The more I read about the bad effects of alcohol, the less I feel like drinking. Boring, but true.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Ranrr yes I agree , but if you say what I was doing 18 months ago you'd be impressed with the progress .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the second stargate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wait... where were you talking about Stargates?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'imm'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Aww doulbe ! wanna level my main but feel a lil social as well .. can't do both :('
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'were talking about antarctic, not stargates, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your main levels?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'seems whisky-talk died out real quick'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tzadkiel is my main '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I know thatangel :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can only talk about whiskey for so long :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that e..'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'wanna drag Oceania just got T1R3 but have another 20 levels before I can drag her .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You rapidly nod twice at ElFeneri, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'e.. MDMA ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I keep putting it there just for you ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'thanks :-P '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ok inside joke , lemme in ! :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's in -h'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing inside...elf doesn't like whiskey being spelled whiskey'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'i had better quest before my silly phone dies. Cant tell you how much i miss my computer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is scotch '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plug the phone in next to the bed :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ty for the reminder ! personal phone needs charging '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'plugged in :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is it still a smart phone if the user is an idiot ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'no worries there'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Thatangel  toys with the idea of letting the smartphone got  to work for me 
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I got a road built today :D first time !'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'im glad for you'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol soz .. was a strange thing to be able to get done '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'now goodnight'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'night !'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'wanna tuckin ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'im good'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol OK - I get enuf random ppl to do it for me thought I'd offer '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I need another computer , or to get my chann bann lifted :('
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Engineers at a company co-founded by a University of Texas at Dallas professor have identified a material that can reduce the pollution produced by vehicles that run on diesel fuel. The material, from a family of minerals called oxides, could replace platinum, a rare and expensive metal that is currently used in diesel engines to try to control the amount of pollution released into the air.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'someone has also invented a zero-emission scrubbing process to help offending companies comply with the EU's tightening restrictions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's based on how rain scrubs out the atmosphere.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Can it also scrub out our arteries ? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think that much water flowing through our veins would be hazardous to our health.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because of the reduced amount of coal the US has been burning to produce electricty, a Kentucky coal company has started exporting coal to India.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is a small deal, around 9 million tons a year, but it is a start, and the contract is for 25 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'between nanotech advances and new medicines to help break up/absorb/block plaque and other health aids to help us control cholesterol/weight, seems like we should be able to figure out a good method to actively clear our arteries in a safe and cheap manner.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'similar to dialysis, for example.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if we're not using as much at home, why not?  It's not like our net energy usage has gone down...'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see nanobots fixing us up from within, but you know fed govts will start banning it, and exporting the people who use them to the moon.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, the moon's too valuable a piece of real estate to risk having it secede from Earth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nod, Alaska exports about 70% of its coal production to Asian countries right now....only about 30% of the huge mines capacity is actually used in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Usibelli coal mine is probably the largest in the US.....it is pretty freaking big....the coal powers the Univ of Alaska system power and hot water plants.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US emissions of carbon dioxide blamed for climate change fell in 2011 and have slipped to a 20-year low this year as the the world's largest economy uses more natural gas and less coal, data shows. The surprise drop from the world's second biggest emitter comes despite the lack of legislation on climate change   Market change is always better than govt regulation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe the largest active one.  There's parts of north-central Missouri and Illinois that are basically just one large mine.  They are mostly empty, flooded things now, too dangerous to use either at all or as something more than a museum.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Total global fish production, including both wild capture fish and aquaculture, reached an all-time high of 154 million tons in 2011, and aquaculture is set to top 60 percent of production by 2020'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, over 1000 earthquakes have been recorded in arizona in the last 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'between the geologically-nearby yellowstone and the even closer baja/pacific plate boundaries, that's not particularly noteworthy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we get thousands of 'em in the MO bootheel/memphis region.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we get some in the STL region, specifically.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is because of all the fat people walking around.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The United Arab Emirates said Wednesday it had selected six companies to supply fuel to its four planned nuclear reactors in deals worth an estimated $3 billion.  Now that is how you do it, you don't go half cocked like Iran and make nuclear weapons that are not needed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The UAE announced this month that it would begin building two of four 1,400 megawatt nuclear power plants in partnership with a South Korean consortium, the first of which is scheduled to begin production in 2017.  Go go UAE!'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Despite being a major oil exporter, the UAE has opted for nuclear, seeing it as a proven, environmentally promising and commercially competitive source of electricity, upon which it relies to produce all of its drinking water via desalination.  The 4 planned nuclear power plants will supply the UAE with about 25% of its power needs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Engineers at Oregon State University have made a breakthrough in the performance of microbial fuel cells that can produce electricity directly from wastewater, opening the door to a future in which waste treatment plants not only will power themselves, but will sell excess electricity.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is that the marsh biofuel thing?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Some 23,000 cheap Chinese-made cars were recalled in Australia after asbestos was found in their engines, '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sheesh, first it was the little-kids' toys, now it's the big-kids' toys too?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nod, can't trust anything the chinese build for export.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So, what is the Cylon plan ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the same plan they had last night, Rizzy. TRY TO TAKE OVER THE UNIVERSE!'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Not just the galaxy?  The universe is a big place....'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'weren'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Borg vs. Cylon.....who would win ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the borg.  Resistence is futile.'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If all the borg looked like tricia helfer......assimilate me now please....'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'given the borg philosophy regarding the marriage between man and machine, I wonder what they think of vibrators?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, tricia helfer, she's the borg queen?'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, #6 on bsg'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn, the US treasury ruled out the option of minting a $1 trillion coin, :('
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jackie chan calls USA most corrupt country in world'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy Jackie Chan is down with social introcpection ...how ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a nudge is as good as a wink to a blind man, you know they say? Say no more!'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'misschann Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'python is incompatible with mischans, therefore it's relevent deb ate'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Monty python ? lol love that shit :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not shit!'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'fertalizer - helps you grow - whats wrong with shit ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ooo deb a curse chann ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i concede'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your schwartz is clearly bigger than mine'
T3/r7/2013-01-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'german "head" '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nearly 18,000 landfills are nearing capacity in the US in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In the US, many local wastewater facilities collect waste oil, and grease, and sell it to rendering plants that turn that stuff into commodities that are sold on the stock exchanges and used in cosmetics, foods, and materials.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'About 35% of the diesel fuel used in Hawaii is now biodiesel created on the islands.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( they should use cattle to create methanol )
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Cattle should eat grass. Makes it harder to capture the methane.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'attach a hose to their butts and capture the methane, then convert it to methanol :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Conversion of Methane to Methanol in an Aqueous Medium by using Copper-Promoted Fe-ZSM-5'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'biowillie!'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather subsidize biodiesel in the US instead of sending more money overseas for petroleum.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if I had my way, I would give a federal grand from the energy dept to companies like pacific biodiesel so that they can continue to expand and provide an alternative to imported oil diesel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grant even.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Regular oil companies get tax subsidies totalling $2 billion a year to produce low value oil reserves, so it makes sense to push some of the money to biodiesel as well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US currently consumed 18.96 million barrels of oil per day....in 2008 it was at 20.56 million barrels.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, peak oil theory seems to hold up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In that same amount of time, the avg mpg for vehicles in the US went from 20 mpg, to the current 22 mpg.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US produced 11.5 million barrels of its own oil per day in 2012...up 800,000 barrels per day since 2011.  It is expected to increase to 12.3 million barrels per day in 2013.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, so in the 1970s, a guy invents a process where his car was able to get 100 + mpg for his car....the process was called the vapor process.....and a few weeks later he died of a drug overdose...his body was found in the Texas desert.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what are you trying to say?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing at all, just curious.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'GW Bush was accused of rape (not actual but as an observer), the victim filed a lawsuit against him and later committed suicide :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'lots of things happen in TX'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'After the guy died, his test vehicle was bought by another company that promptly said the process didnt work, and the car disappeared.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'amazing'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wouldnt it suck if the enviro whackos got their way and we managed to reduce co2 levels to below levels 10,000 years ago.....and then we entered a new longterm ice age.  New research shows that our current co2 levels have most likely prevented the next ice age for the forseeable future.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so we can cause ice ages, but not global warming right? :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global warming is a myth'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is called global climate change.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't cause either, they happen'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we caused the hole in the ozone layer, that didn't just "happen"'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we also fixed that'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then we fixed it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mainly since it was fixable'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we banned DDT in most modern countries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Human activities do contribute to warming the planet. If nothing else, at least the Urban Heat Isle effect is uncontroversial :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so how can we assume that we can do nothing about global climate change'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or that it is a myth'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because you cannot'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, of course heating concrete is going warm up the area nearby and forest cover will cool it. :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's an assumption not backed up by facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're right, twyst, assuming you can stop global warming is an assumption not backed up by facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'assuming climate change is a myth and is unaffected by what we do is not backed up by facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'An easy way to help control the thermal affect of the concrete jungle though is build sidewalks out of that new porous concrete that allows air and water to seep into the ground.  It cools much faster, thus the thermal affect is reduced.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course climate change is a myth. We are 100% certain that there has never been ice ages, aren't we?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or to have fewer cities/people'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Lets start with the UK...turn it into a prison island for liberals. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I thought that it was a prison already.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we are the government store'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'L'Ile du Diable :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am all for reducing the co2 we ADD to the atmosphere, but I want to keep the atmospheric co2 levels right where they are right now.....it is almost perfect.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Let the planet's ecosystem reduce co2 levels over the next 100 years while we enjoy the nice climate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is a complex system, we need research to understand it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only action that politicans could take now that would significantly affect the CO2 created is a worldwide thermonuclear war'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but some people are anti intellectual and shun research '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying that the natural balance was unnatural. Manmade emmitions were necessary to make our atmosphere hospitable.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'emissions*'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, 200 years ago was just fine also, or even 500 years ago, but the current climate is perfect for me....and that is all that matters....an extended ice age would be well...annoying, as would a venus like climate. :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what the hell nature knows about what's best. Clean air is clearly poisonous.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is the attitude that has gotten us where we are now. Everyone wants it his way now, screw what's best overall, let's all punch a new hole in nature's ass for our convenience. After all, by the time the effects from our meddling become catastrophic, we will be dead and it won't be our problem. '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the answer government tyranny and taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my way is best for everyone now, and the future, :)  The climate right now is perfect.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the climate is not perfect, pay attention.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'ask the people in australia if they think it's perfect right now :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah it has been pretty messed up for the past decade or so'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'australia gets heat waves from time to time'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so does Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia has cold snaps from to time'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has been happening forever.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'but every year some kind of record is broken'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'accurate records have been kept for about 120 years. it's inevitable you'll get a record breaker once in a while'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at Ashiya, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about the ice caps'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'sure it might be a natural variance, but no one can't argue that the weather has been more extreme the last decade'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'yeah tigernuts, go to any weather side and look, the proof of extreme weather is right there, if it's because of CO2 or not, that's another question'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'prove it, but I've made up my mind already and think you are lying regardless right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd question that'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of non-scientific people have claimed it, but there's been no science showing otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unfortunately humans typically suffer from confirmation bias'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'that the weather is changing? you're ignorant if you don't see that'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would say everyone formulates a belief than accepts info which backs it up, or rejects info which disputes that'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some more than others though'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the weather always changes'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'so then you agree with me...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't extreme, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ashiya sighs.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure was a nice here in Texas in January....was 72 F as the high, low humidity also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what extreme weather have you had?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'look at some african countries where lakes are drying up etc, that's not extreme?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's pretty normal'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'presuming you're talking about lake tanzania in particular'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'I'll give up, you'll never win over the ignorant people who don't see climate change as a problem, no matter what is causing it we do see climate change'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well maybe if you offer some kind of proof'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'picking out random examples of weather events that have happened forever doesn't prove your case'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... people arguing with someone who claimed to be a physicist, but consistently claims co2 warming is negligible instead of making a first order estimate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there is a cottage industry of folks who will deny any and all proof'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'go read an article about it, I'm not gonna spend time here finding proof for ignorant people who will still just reply prove it when you give proof'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, if you want to pay more for certain things...how about everytime you buy a car, rent one, lease one...you send an extra 25% to the United Nations for climate change.....walk the walk and stop talking bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've read plenty of articules about it, including a considerably long study into the changes in the water levels of lake tanzania'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I am in favour of a pigouvian carbon tax...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I wont be joining you to do it, but if you are perfectly willing to pay the stupid tax, go ahead.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is where the bulk of the people are'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'problem is it doens't matter if small countries do anything aslong as you have the US and china doing shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"oh if you think the nazis are going to come slaughter us all, why don't you go and fight them, don't count me in, rabbi"'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'US and china are #1 #2 carbon producers'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hello, the US has been reducing its co2 emissions for 10 years now....how has your country done ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'sweden has done a lot better tyvm :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's easy to reduce when you are #1.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not difficult to reduce co2 emissions in a country that is a nanny state with about 7 people'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'then it should be harder, right? cause you've already done a lot'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now sort it out with China and India whom are the real problems'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which country is that, T?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'sweden apparently'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I see that Sweden has reduced its co2 emissions by almost 50% since 1960, good job.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see how well your economy has improved during the same amount of time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We could definitely do better, but compared to the US, we are awesome.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ashiya looks at Ranrr and goes "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'you don't know much about swedens financials then :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden is almost the only western country that isn't broke.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'oh I thought you meant swedens financials were crap cause of low CO2 emissions'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno if these stats are accurate, but China emits nearly 4 times the emissions of USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'sure, china has 4x the population too'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, and that's the issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'I'm quite sure the US emits more CO2 per capita than china'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '80% of which live on farms on less than $1 a day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they do not produce much co2.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saudi arabia beats USA for emission/person,'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'China doesn't protect their environment, it costs too much'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sort of like you guys are advocating for world wide'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'so you're just gonna put a blanker on and not do anything until china does?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'http://mdgs.un.org/unsd/mdg/SeriesDetail.aspx?srid=749&crid='
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people chose to reduce their co2 as technologies came online that were efficient and cheap'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what doesn't work, and isn't fair is mandating change through legislation and the tax system'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas, a huge oil producer also gets 20% of its power from nuclear, and 15% from wind, 10% from coal, and the rest is natgas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Texas has very strict air quality regulations'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'you can still choose though to drive a car with 14 miles per gallon or 40 miles per gallon'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'that has nothing to do with taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'while simultaneously containing people who look down on same regulations'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahiya, are you deliberately retarded?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'quite an oxymorong'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what part of taxes on petrol are not trying to alter your car-efficieny buying behaviour?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas also has extremely strict water quality regulations....I know all about those since I own a water plant for a housing development in the houston area.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pot calling the glass window black...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Sonshi for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it works for Tx, why not the rest of the US and world?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"we're not going to ban cigarettes, but we are going to make them cost $12 a packet so people won't want to buy them"'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm sure the replacements for DDT were more expensive and less effective'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the argument of a coward'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '53 dif govts, state and territory.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's an asinine argument Riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that taxes modify economic behaviour is a fact beyond ant real dispute'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it would take a NWO to get clean air for everyone? or as clean as possible?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no you won't, cigarettes have to be priced within the reach of the consumer even if expensive, there is no way the government is going to legislate the tobacco industry out of business. They are almost as powerful as the NRA. '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'States prefer to do things their own way....as long as they follow the minimum federal regulations regarding air and water, they can pretty much do whatever they want to make things cleaner or dirtier.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so your claim that change through the tax system doesn't work is... well, as you put it, "deliberately retarded"...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unfortunately air and water do not respect territorial boundaries'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would trust states to do a far better job on promoting the environment than the dodgy criminals in washington'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas decided long ago to make its state cleaner, but without burdening the business industry with idiotic regulations that do not work.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't say the tax system doesn't work, i said you should use it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '[13 Jan 06:34:36] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'what doesn't work, and isn't fair is mandating change through legislation and the tax system''
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't work at a global level, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir hides his face in his palm after seeing what Tigernuts did.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'siiigh...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is making people unable to afford to get to work, or heat their home in UK going to reduce CO2 emissions in China?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the government's responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'china can worry about its own damn air and water, none of my business....'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'no matter whose responsible it is, any idividual can do what he/she can do reduce their own omission'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their per capita emissions is still well below western levels. There's not a lot of room for them to reduce emissions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's fine, riz, but governments and al gore fanatics like ashiya and sonshi should realise that when government overstep their authority, people will start to push back'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is why efforts focus on the developed world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of the reasons the three gorges dam was built was to produce cleaner power for the country....but everyone whines that it displaced 2 million chinese farmers. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK emissions are already within 20% of china's on per capita'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why do you think that is'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have no industry'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'tigernuts, you could still take your personal resonsibility though, you can recycle your garbage, but a high gas mileage car etc, and you won't have to pay a dollar extra in tax but you've done something good for the environement'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i'm perfectly happy to take my personal responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just it, government responsibility is to inform, teach and advise'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am just not willing to pay for your personal responsibility.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think it is well within the authority of the elected government to encourage people to make smart choices for the enviroment by increasing taxes on things that we need to decrease our usage of, like oil and coal power'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'encourage, fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's what taxes do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more like over 30%...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'if they give you an option it's fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxes and prohibitions are not encouragement their discouragement'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'if they say hey, if you choose wind power you'll pay the same price as you do today, but if you want to stick to coal power you'll have to pay extra then that's fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, we should also have subsidies on things we should consume more of.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a while back they offered people money back for car tradeins for certain new models'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But I think the main focus, and the main thing the taxes should pay for, is technology development. That's the only long term solution.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a good example of encouragement'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately, unless you pay a premium for wind power for a long time, and build lots of them....wind power will not be cheaper than coal except with taxes on coal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about instead of raising taxes on coal, you reduce taxes on WIND.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Rizgoth!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he gets it! shame the rest of you don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You need to do both, or decrease spending. Taxes are needed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in texas they ain't'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it must be well known that in your world, money grows on trees and taxes are unnecessary...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Reducing the TAX on wind, and with the federal grants....Texas produces more wind power than ANY state in the united states.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm very well versed in the amount of tax and spending there is in my country, ta'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suffice to say it's not well spent or balanced'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All the states have access to those same federal grants, but hardly any state has taken advantage of it....shame on them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'the mentality that I won't do anything until everyone else does has to go though'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are YOU doing, ashiya?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'driving a very fuel efficient car, taking the train whenever I can, recycling my garbage? My electricity comes from water power?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'want more?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada blames it all on Ashiya!! What a LOOOSER!!
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many kids do you have?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love my natgas car.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'none, but that wouldn't change any of what I just said'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont recycle my garbage though, no need for it....the waste company does it for me....they separate it at the transfer station and sell the recyclables....'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'sure you need a bigger car, but you can still buy an efficient car for that size'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i recycle everything, and don't buy stuff i don't need'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my car is more efficient than 98% of those on the roads in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't buy it because of the environment'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are cars which emit less co2 but tough shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give me one for free and i'll drive it, failing that, go suck a lemon'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my house in plano texas uses the cooling effect of the earth to reduce the temp of surface air before it enters my AC system to cool my house....saves mucho money.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people shouldn't feel obliged to factor in the environment in their economic decisions - the system need to be set up so that people tend to prefer those actions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's what taxes are for.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I only do it for economic reasons....no other reason for it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'return on investment....very important.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you cared about co2 emissions, you'd never buy anything made in china'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'well then there you have it, if people only do it for return on investment and on a pure financial standpoint then taxes are needed and government should use taxes to help the emissiosn'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd buy all-local produce'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I buy stuff made in china because it's cheap'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'I do buy what I can that's locally produced'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You are never going to tax your way into a cleaner environment, only investment in technology will do that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're the problem, Sonshi, why should the rest of us go cold or be unable to live my life in the way I choose because you're too lazy to shop locally?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'the tax could pay for investing in technology though'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I agree, Riz. So the taxes should be used to pay for that development, imho.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you do know it's just two sides of the same coin right? Economic incentives are what drive investment'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, reducing taxes on businesses that create the new technology is a better way.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that the soul of Hans person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'rizgoth then that funding has to come from somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no company goes... hey, let's design a new engine 'cos it's just cool, even if no one wants to buy it!'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's easy to say that taxes should be reduced. It's not that easy to say which spending should be removed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a huge difference between prohibitive action and encouragement action, and you guys fail to appreciate there's any difference'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bullshit, companies make new stuff because there's a market for it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But if possible, I agree that incentives are better.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'sure I see the difference tigernuts, but by reducing taxes on one thing, you have to cut spending on another or raise the general tax level.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then raise the general tax level'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is going to reduce the corporate tax on manufacturers soon, probably to 25% from the current 36% or so....then the US will be much more competitive with the rest of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if something is worthy to the whole population, don't single out people'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the yield relative to the rest of the economy is what matters, and the fact that there is a yield.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'it has the same effect though tigernuts, you end up paying more taxes cause the government wants you to use something more environmental friendly'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or increasing tax revenue by increasing more jobs, and people willing to invest in new tech which also creates more jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people see real differences where only semantic differences exist... Regrettably, this is confirmed by various studies...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the subsidies on personal power generation here in the UK were paid for by levies on electricity bills, they also put stupid petty restrictions on the size you could have. This led to under-utilisation of roofs and a huge hike in electric bills that has really hurt the elderly. It's a good example of bad taxation'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Thankfully the feds extended the wind tax credit another 2 years, so Texas can keep installing new wind turbines....going to have wind power up to 20% in no time!'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should have had much looser if not no restriction on size of installation, and the money should have been got through general taxation'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Fatal disease scenario... Ver 1: Plan A kills 5 out of 10. Plan B has a 60% change of saving everyone. Ver2: Plan A saves 5 out of 10. Plan B has a 40% chance of killing everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spurious generic example alert'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer plan C....Everyone else except Texas is affected, and we take over the world. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not advocating any particular plan, but it has been shown that the cost of adapting to climate change is far less than trying to alter it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then the Republic of Texas can be reborn !'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's rubbish. The cost of reducing is far less'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'note, for instance, that my country manages to have a far lower emissions rate, but a higher per capita real gdp'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'reduction is a bad word in the US....our country is huge, and it would be pretty hard.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and your heavy industry consists of what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all your countries need is to stop being anti-intellectual and let the economic theory work...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas for example has more roads than most of the other states combined.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more than your'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yours'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'economic theory is what cause the 2008 crash'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might not be your specific economic theory, but economists cause it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the crash was wholly unnecessary'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not listening to real economists is what caused it...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no such thing as a real economist, it's like a real psychiatrist'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't pull any random politician who has been sitting in a think tank and call him an economist'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in any case, the record speaks for itself... there's a reason why some countries did not have a crash...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas didnt have a crash.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but we didnt have the boom either. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still no re-introduction of glass-stegall'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unlike other states, Texas has plenty of land for homes, so the price of land is pretty cheap.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course it would be nice to see more condo buildings built.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not in absolute terms, but given the immigration, you should look at per capita output... then you'll see the texan crash... not as big as elsewhere, because of oil, but was still there'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the UN liberal planning brigade have their way, riz, you'll have shitty little shoebox apartments piled ontop of each other'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unlike california, we do not count illegals here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why UK is so hateful now, everyone is forced to live in each others pocket'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but they still count towards gdp, thereby inflating your figures...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love a nice 1800 sq foot condo....3 bedroom 2 bath, office, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'been considering it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1800sq foot, rofl, try 250'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you guys built higher like us, you can have bigger flats. 250 sq ft is way too small'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps in the UK, but not around here....1400 is the avg'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not everyone wants to live in the city, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'doesn't change the fact that you ought to have much more than 250'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the downtowns of the big cities in Texas have been becoming popular again....more condo buildings have been going up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I keep saying, if you have crappy/small housing, that's your govt fault, don't blame the UN or your usual bogeymen. Look in the mirror.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course there was that 8000 sq foot penthouse in downtown Dallas that was really nice....for a mere $9.8 million....a $4 million reduction from its previous price.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is 70mil packed into an island that supports a population of 20mil'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is building restrictions that forces ever smaller plots'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, with my country's tech, I bet we could support 100m on your islands easily... that's plenty of farmland'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't -want- your tech or your level of population density'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can still build up....Tokyo has that problem also, but they keep building new buildings.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such a city-slicker point of view, it's frustrating'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's what the africans said when your colonists made noises about them living in huts, I suppose...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let them live in huts!'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'tigernuts well if you don't want those small appartments on limited land, there's only 2 options move out or build higher'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love that new farming building that the japanese are building in Tokyo....it can produce enough food to feed 100,000 people and provide housing for another 10,000'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or stop increasing the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'start decreasing it again'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'send the population to where there is space'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'better tech is reducing the amount of space needed for farming all the time...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hydroponics is great.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's also aeroponics...'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aerosmith created a new farming technique ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not much material difference though, I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's pretty much hydroponics, but with lower water use.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK should leave the EU and immediately implement Canadian/Australian style immigration control, we should stop paying people to breed and get that birth rate down to about 1.9'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the birth rate in Italy is .4 or so.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont blame though....who would want to live in italy ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'horrid corrupt place'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will Spain explode?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should build a 250 story residential building with stores, business, and industrial tech zones....perhaps green zones also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'build them for the liberals to live in, then wall them off to the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Thought we were going to use the UK for that :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to empty the UK of liberal and neofascist influece'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all you non liberals in the UK can come here to Texas and live in paradise.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't do that till you kick all the californians out, and secure independance'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately your governor is a pussy'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most californians move to nevada, not Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'explain away the 43% vote for obama at the last election then'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hispanics in Texas are 48% of the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was like that before the recession.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, it's turkeys voting for christmas then'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love driving around west Texas....oil wells, wind turbines, and farms all over the place....gotta love it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than the climate, sounds magical'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get yourself independece then get me a job and a visa :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and please expunge Rick Perry and the Bush clan'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( Did he mean Tyler Perry? )
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'James Richard Perry'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas, North/South Dakota have enough wind potential to power the whole US combined.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should retool some of those old vehicle factories into wind turbine factories, and start installing them all over.....we need to install 1 3 MW turbine every 6 minutes to 2 TW of power generation in 20-25 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US currently uses around 16 TW of power right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would create a minimum of 500,000 jobs and keep them for generations.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't do that, it would be a solution'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberals don't do solutions that don't involve an increase in government control and taxation'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'don't forget there are other good options more suitable for other areas :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno how they ever got labeled liberals'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't i know it, i live on an island, where the FUCK is the tidal and water power?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are not economic liberals, they are socially liberals.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not even that'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'that's a good question tigernuts :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I mean install the wind turbines all over the US in the high wind areas of Texas, north/south dakota. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'social liberals value personal freedom and liberty'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not referring to places like Sweden where hydrothermal might be better.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'problem with wind turbines, is that you'll have people saying we don't like it cause they make a lot of noise and are ugly'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'social liberalism is fundamentally incompatible with technocracies and/or dictatorships'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialist dictatorships/collectivism'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why west texas and north/south dakota are perfect....hardly anyone live there....:)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ashiya nods.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'not disagreeing with you, just saying you have to be smart with where you do what'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides....if you were paid $15000 a year to have a 3 MW wind turbine on your land plus free electricty for the life of the turbine....would you go for it ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you want that rather than owning the turbine yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'ofc, but then we who is giving me that money? my own tax dollars I spent :)?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You going to buy a 3 MW wind turbine and install it on your land?  Good luck with that :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You have a couple million sitting in a bank somewhere ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't all Texans rich beyond belief?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couple of million is chump change to you lot'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'actually why not? If it's a good investment banks will ok it, just like they give you money to buy a house cause they'll most likely get it back when you sell it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If they were, they wouldnt be leasing their land to put wind turbines on it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$15,000 per year is the fee the utility companies are paying to lease your land to put turbines on it.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'per turbine'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'then imagine how much they make each year on a turbine :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it is a 3 megawatt wind turbine :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nice thing about west texas though...the wind pretty much blows most of the time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a great place for wind turbines.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if truckers didnt have to idle their trucks to run AC or heaters, it would save 1 billion gallons of diesel fuel each year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'is that for when they sleep riz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'there's no places where they can park and use electricity?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'many truck stops have started installing new parking kiosks for power, cable and internet use, but it is expensive to upgrade'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'that would be a good example of where government funding is good then :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would be nice, but most likely wont happen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at the current rate, it will take about 20 years to retrofit the existing truck stops to the kiosks'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that would be oh, 20 billion gallons of diesel fuel.....$3.50 a gallon....$70 billion wasted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'the truck stop owners, do they benefit any from installing kiosks?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it allows them to make money from the power/tv/internet use.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'so if they got cheap loans with low interest, would they do it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt would need to back the loans, otherwise the banks wont do it....bad time to borrow money :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ashiya nods.
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'but that's a form of government spending that's "cheap"'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately, the US congress isnt known for its intelligence when it comes to spending our tax dollars.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'low temp geothermal energy will revolutionize the geothermal industry.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tapping the 165 F water temp geothermal locations would produce enough energy to power the US 5x over.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'low oxygen zones in the oceans are expanding.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'geothermal energy is quite popular in sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I love it....Alaska has enough geothermal energy potential to power the whole US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it isnt taken advantage of.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'the oil barons and mine barons are paying countries to not take advantage to the new energy hence the poor decisions taken'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'globally, the potential of wind power is 676 terawatts of power.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt the US would have protected kuwait and saudi arabia in the first gulf war if they had been producing millions of barrels per day of broccoli.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see the US govt jump headlong into new battery research.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would like the US govmt to jump in a lake'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as of 2009, USA was ranked 12th for co2 emissions per capita'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'singapore has higher co2 emission per capita than france'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'who was ranked number 1?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'qatar'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'as in least emissions per capita?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'oh not a good ranking to top then :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'makes sense - dense population first world mechanised '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'n cheap oil '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil production does it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil producing nations are all at the to'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'top'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'so cheap oil or the production of it causses the emmisions ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'production causes emissions, odd that, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who'd have thunk it'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'whack a CO2 tax on that n food prices in the US spike .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the big dog growls and the tax evaporates .. why Oz is trying the tax is beyond me '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because australia is easy to control'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the left here is outta control , the right is ineffectual and tbh business runs the show here r'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the new world order'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your future in global banking cartel hands'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'not this lil black duck :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or white duck if you wanna get semi literal'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'currently working on food n power security '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'will take me off the grid '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol be the uni?una bomb? before long :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the guy whose mind got scrambled by the mind control experiments in the 70s?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the guy that hid out in a cabin in the woods and tryied bombing ppl with letter bombs - joking '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nod, that is the guy'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'same guy ? movie farseeing experiments ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'staring at goats or something like that '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'worth a look at him ? he get anywhere ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, wasn't anything to do with that, was part of the MKULTRA program, which you can look up'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ok I know of that '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'kids stuff '
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it the Illinois governor wants to audit and record all sales and transfers of gold?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already have laws in place that make people buying gold not do in cash, and have a full record of what they bought, when, from who, and for how much'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is gold a lethal weapon now?'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'french and british forces deploy to Mali. Nobody asked us about it, fucking government'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now we have the farce of French troops fighting their own affiliated Islamic group in Mali'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be intersting'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only if you botch the operation, Dread.  Do it right and they won't feel a thing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos eyes Hanslanda suspiciously.
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of a ticket on an airline trip of NYC to Texas can cost from $110 to $900 a ticket depending on WHEN you buy the ticket.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is that including the 2-week window just prior to your flight?'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 2 week window gets you the $110-200 ticket.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'really?  I thought it got more expensive the closer to your flight you got.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You manage to get a ticket 5min before the flight leaves at the boarding slot and you are paying $900'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The airlines also enjoy overselling tickets right up to the boarding time....they will sell a $900 ticket, and offer you $300 off a future flight if you give up your cheap flight so that the airline can make more money. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'gotta love standby'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of the cargo shipped by airlines is not inspected.....anything could be in the cargo.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because the change pretty much happened overnight.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Mischan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna: the change in order to keep up would've happened overnight...just the reason for its necessity didn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, follow the convo wherever it goes nobody knows'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a flight from NYC to LA for american airlines can make the airline a profit of $200....on $54,000 of expenses for the flight.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'From now on, when you buy a ticket with a major airline.....make sure the airline is actually servicing that flight, and not a 2nd tier regional service company.....Just because the jet says one name on it, it doesnt mean it is actually serviced by that company.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 2009, a continental jet went down because of the service company colgan air pilot was not worth shit, 49 people died.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the pilot had failed 5 previous performance checks before the flight.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When you purchase your ticket online, make sure to read the fine print...it will tell you there if the jet is being flown by a service company.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Pinnacle Airlines Corp. phased out the Colgan Air name on September 5, 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the FAA's job is to protect airlines, not to protect passengers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If the earth was 6 degrees C cooler right now, we would be in an ice age.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'good thing it is trending up precipitously then'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'couple more degrees and the UK and Florida and Louisiana will be underwater'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'perhaps an iceage would be a good thing ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'would help with the problem a lil ? perhaps ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I'm thinking the prob is human impact ? am I right ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'an ige age would thin the herd a lil ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'iceage*'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and if the earth were 6 degrees hotter, there be near extinctions -- the six degrees cooler observation is irrelevant - not going to happen for a while  -- the six degrees hotter though ...'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you want to 'thin' the herd as you say....how about you go jump in a volcano, let a bus run your butt over. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is there a more natural form of eugenics that pure survival ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Hey Riz :D '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: '<---Tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hello :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'so we are of the opinion that every life is a unique and precious lil snowflake ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the funneral bell tolls for us all ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or are we saying that we have dead weight , sucking resources '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or are we saying lets do things differently and no need to kull'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global climate change has brought about a change in agriculture world wide...there are now 400+ vineyards in the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and areas in spain and france are now to hot for wine grapes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's pretty awful'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I'm pretty , and aweful ... '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'what about chocolate plantations in Texas'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 3 F avg temp increase would turn Russian Siberia into the next breadbasket of the world, Canada also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'central Oz becomes more like african savvana'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't forget Antarctica :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless we can import african kids to tend the chocolate plantations...they wont appear in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ship em straight to antartica !'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'great idea, chocolate is almost like cotton. They know what to do :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'make up for the loss in penguin population , no tuxedo required '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there are lots of unemployed Texan children there to be exploited, and republican christian children don't need to go to school -- "creationism" explains everything, to them at least - "God did it"  '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is a wider paradigm . Technology will solve it '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, unemployed american children sell drugs on the street.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They can make more money that way.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Zyclon B - the new dole'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it takes 200 million metric tons of co2 per year to produce all the ingredients to make the yearly supply of cheeseburgers in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz but with Starling gone someone has to be devils advocate ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't you mean the Devil... :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'shhhh the illusion is part of the show '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I'm an alt :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '-4 44'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'was unaware of US food susidies untill very recently - you mob are fucked !'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 2 degree C increase....prob see the end of ice on Greenland, and the Canadian tundra would turn into forestland, most of the low elevation islands in the oceans would be almost gone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How do you figure ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there have been farm subsidies for almost 80 years now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'farm subsidies are necessary to keep a balanced supply of food available year round, otherwise you have boom and bust seasons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yeah apparently so .. way to insulate a market sector ... fast food is cheaper than slow food ... thats just wrong ... imo'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'buy in season - limit food miles '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It took nature 150,000 years to create the great ice sheets of Greenland.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and mankind got rid of them in less than ...'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We will probably melt in completely in less than 300 :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'so kull or change behaviuor ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, not completely us, but we are in between ice ages right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'that is going hit the infrastructures in Greenland and Iceland'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'co2 levels are only at 368 ppm, during the dinosaur times it was 10x higher than that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I thin by that time the problem will be global ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and we are aiming for that ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dinosaurs would most likely still be ruling this planet if that asteroid had not hit, or if the big volcanoes of the planet hadnt erupted around the same time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'and when the world runs out of oil gas coal to burn, back comes the ice cold -- or maybe not - the planet may keep on heating up since there is far less ice to reflect the sunlight'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol n florida would look a lil different'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the world will never run out of oil and gas to burn, we will advance to cleaner forms of energy in time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as it becomes cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the stone age didnt end because they ran out of stones.....same philosphy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'there has never been a wider divide between rich and poor as now ... every living standard measurement shows that divide is killing the poor '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when the world runs out of oil gas coal to burn, the atmospheric CO2 levels shall drop, permitting eventual global cooling'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someday solar will replace most forms of energy production, and who knows by then fusion will become a reality and become portable.....fission and fusion engines for space ships.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'unreal'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'assuning there is yet enough plant life to extract that CO2'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The earth will continue, with or without us.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'humans are like roaches - we will survive too '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'just who ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Last and First Men" - Olaf Stapledon -- a boring scifi book, conjecturing what may happen after mankind goes extinct'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'we will never be extinct - it is a case of die last or get off(planet)'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 20% increase in efficiency of coal power plants would help illeviate most of the co2 production'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so Riz, it's about carbon sequestration'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'carbon squestration is a pie in the sky idea...it makes more sense to feed the co2 to algae.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'still don't help with food security - we are feeding our poor crap fast food cause its cheaper than real food'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well it was sequestered in the form of coal'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'feeding it to algae doesn't remove it from the carbon cycle'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so no net gain'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'feed the poor algae .. would be better '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'anyone seen an old movie called Soylent Green? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, then we turn the algae into fuel and feed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'poor urban dwellers can't afford the kitchen or the time to prepare slow food '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 acre of algae can produce 5000 gallons of diesel fuel and 2000 gallons of ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and yet we are ok with feeding em crap fast food ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'yepm some are waiting for the sequel'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but I think you are missing the point Riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you've seen it !!'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that would shift the equilibrium to where more Carbon is actively in the cycle'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I got a VHS machine recently - have been on an old movie binge ever since '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Charleton Heston - comedic acting - camp '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would be a miniscule amount compared to today.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol he ius over the top '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it would be what it is today, plus whatever you burn as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"Soylent people is Green!" -- the sequel'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: '"the rise of the dreadlock"'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all the cars would be running on fuel created from the burning of coal...that alone is a huge drop in co2 production.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'expand ur Q? Riz ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well you are burning coal releasing the trapped carbon as CO2'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'algae production and carbon recycling reduces the requirement to burn oil gas coal'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'oh fossil fuel is just a no brainer - just food prices are liinked to it '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but you are not releasing 100% of the co2 from that coal, because right now you are producing co2 from cars, and power plants...but if the power plants are not releasing co2 and that co2 is fueling algae production to make fuel'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'we have a CO2 shortage ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or, you could get real and go with nuclear. thorium looks awesome'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is a huge reduction in co2 emissions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and in time, coal will be phased out anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Dag makes a good point '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'still perfer solar/geothermic '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuclear - safest and cleanest'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '18 coal plants shutdown in the US in the last 5 years, and another 30 were cancelled in favor of cleaner natgas plants.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention all the wind turbines we are installing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's because coal is inefficient'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and dirty'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'wind/solar are no good for baseload imo -geothermic is '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'but that may increase the radiation pollution levels, since the USA inststs on contaminating warzones with yet radioactive depleted U238 -- THe USA makes the Nazis look benign'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal is extremely efficient, but the regulators decided natgas would be better.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'natgas is more efficient than coal, I don't know what you are talking about'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least in Texas it makes sense to build natgas compared to coal....Texas has huge reserves of natgas, and low reserves of coal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'natgas yet comes from the ground, adding to the above ground CO2 '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'zela - coal plants are more radioactive than nuclear plants ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so what, it is 50% lower in co2 emissions, get over yourself and accept the facts....money talks, and bullshit walks :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'natgas is more efficient than coal, regardless of which one you have more of'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, coal is much more radioactive than nuclear.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'where is all that extra carbon going to go -- the H2CO3 in the oceans is dissolving coral'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'meh both suck compared to solar'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar costs to much.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for solar thermal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not all countries have enough sunshine for that either'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar thermal is currently on par with wind'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'ssems the Oceans are not handling the extra CO2 yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and there are hidden costs - manufacturing pollution etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'our biggest problem is energy storage and delivery'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if the Coral reefs dissolve, what does that do to the Ocean currents'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'that needs to be solved on a household level imo storage'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'if the the Great Barrier Reef dissolves, what does that do to the estern coastline of Australia'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh, ocean currents are affected by the placement of the continents.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Riz .. not only .. tbh out of my area of expertise'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and some evidence has shown that coral reefs have been migrating to cooler deeper water.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'no more Tsunami protection'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if the deep ocean current in the atlantic ever shuts down, we could always use high explosives to create a new path for warm water to go through a huge non blocked canal at latin america.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I doubt it would be that simple'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well of course not, but it would move a lot of warm water into the pacific.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'nuclear explosives?  -- the Panamanians are not going to like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, like people say...sometimes you have to sacrifice....there goes panama :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'amazing....last year Alaska had record snowfalls, and now this winter...almost nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'global warming is also causing global variability'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'with more atmospheric thermal energy, the "butterfly effect" may be more chaotic'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'atmospheric wind currents may change on seeming whimsy'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '10 million gallons of water is pumped out of the NYC subway system each day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'maybe the extra Vineyards in the UK did a butterfly effect'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'are thy going to fix that NYC subway leak'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is normal seepage in the NYC subway system.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'NYC smells - subway is linked? .. dunno was there once when young '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '14,000 new cars hit the road in China every day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is 1/3 the amount that is sold each year in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'current first world aspirations are not sustainable if the third world gets onboard'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The core of the fusion power plant that is being built is 10x hotter than the sun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Welcome back to the Cretaceous era.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'thanks'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hope you enjoy your stay :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of big bugs, and big plants.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Caffeine plus Aspartame equals dead brain cells, but before they die, they are happy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Riz nicotine is still legal - misplaced outrage ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'diet soda makes you fat.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'they are fat anyway - they don't train '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'diet soda means you can eat what ever you like'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'tbh I drink water with an electrolyte replacement or I cramp up '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'squincher or gatorade'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'all you need is magnesium in your diet'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and drink beer for vitamin b'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I do a multi vit every morn but I sweat like hell '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'eat a balanced diet instead'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'n I drink spirits - usually vodka'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I eat well'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if you ate well you wouldn't cramp up or need to take multivitamins'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I work outdoors in extreme heat 3 days a week - trust me I have the diet dwn pat for no cramps'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if you need food supplements, you could eat better'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you train for sports Dag ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i have'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I still do, so we on the same page , no normal diet is gonna satiate what I need without supliments'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i disagree. essentially you're missing something in your diet or you don't eat enough of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if you do pro sports on drugs it's a different matter, of course'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: '- my prob is I drink Way too much .. but I stand by my statement - I live on vit supliments - no steriods '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'in other words - depends how far you're taking it. amateur sports doesn't need it imho'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I was a nationally compedaitive swimmer before I got sick - martial arts now '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'training is something you don't just walk away from - just refocus'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol tbh I still love to swim'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'can go hard n still not sweat'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'what was ur sport ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'naughty whitehouse are breaking the law again'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '10,000 turn up to gun show in california'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, best comment so far: "Obama makes Nixon look like a saint"'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, should congress refuse to raise the debt ceiling? could be a bit of fun'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'congress might want to look into not spending twice as much money as they make'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't have a great track record'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many health insurance companies are putting out double digit %age hikes in premiums. Many fees and deductables have gone up buy 100%'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone on the bbc forum this lunchtime shouting about changes in UK disability welfare reform didn't take too kindly to having it pointed out that the government was essentially run by a bunch of globalist banking, corporate, and political elite who would love nothing more than to round up all the bottomfeeding disabled folk into a concentration camp and gas the lot of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'truth cutting through the bullshit like a hot knife through butter'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/2013/01/academics-pay-pdftribute-to-advocate-aaron-swartz.html?cmp=rss'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was also fiercely critical of Obama's online security act'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one wonders if he committed suicide or whether he was suicided'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been an awful lot of anti-obama critics dying the last week or so'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'he was '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'he was very intelligent, and was an activist... '
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is a loss for the world really.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i think was suicided tiger.. but, ofcourse i cant prove it...'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'this is intresting http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=327_1195303011'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Belgium should open up their assisted suicide program to foreigners who are terminally ill.  Charge a fee for it, I bet they balance their budget with it for awhile until other countries start doing it for fees as well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love taking chicken ramen soup, adding diced chicken breast, pinto beans, mixed vegetables, garlic, and some olive oil to it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'never tried it with the fartfruit...'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good source of fiber, and if you eat beans quite a bit, you dont get the bad gas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you do it warm, or as a cold dish?'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'warm'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, have you had your serving of propylene glycol today ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I should have. It's cold!'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably more than one.  It's in all the bread I make.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is used to make blueberry flavoring also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because the bee has 2 stomachs, one for digestion and the other for storage.'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'something to think about https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Wx9GxXYKx_8'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rick astley singing ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'you think about with rick ashley?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In 2011, the United States exported more petroleum products including gasoline, diesel and other fuels than it imported. That had not happened in more than half a century.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and other than Texas, the rest of the USA is broke'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not quite true, actually not remotely true'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, North Dakota, Wyoming, are also rolling in it, so is Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, so other than republican states that have natural oil/gas reserves...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'New Mexico will have a surplus from vast oil and gas production in the coming years also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'As will lousiana, ohio, florida, colorado, and a couple more'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'california could join the list, but they are idiots.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they're allowed to'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is expected that the US will become the next Saudi Arabia in the next few years, and for the forseeable future.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, an authoritarian dictatorship under severe sharia law?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil production, you nincompoop :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'highest co2 output per capita?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supressing political dissent with torture and death?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no wait, you already do that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'haha, the US might adopt Sharia law, the fundamentalist christian version'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well with people legislating morals, I don't see it as unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is what Sharia law is'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even morals, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is it then?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legislating the twisted interpretations of a 8th century tribal leader'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no need to denigrate Islam, it makes as much sense as Christianity or organized religion in general'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'organized donkeyism is better.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no, it's not denigrating Islam, it's just the truth of the matter, The modern bible is just the same - stories and morals of it's founders twisted and altered over time'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twisted, changed and altered to suit the vested interests of the person controlling the congregation at the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least the core Jesus teachings were benign'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Muhammed never ordered people of other religions killed, nor did he prohibit any from Islam leaving'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither did he force all women to wear a black sheet'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the core Mohammad teachings are terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst points excitedly at Zade!
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'garbage, serious garbage'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anway, i have work to do, go look it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the zade manifesto would have us all living in caves.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts: http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html -- Islam refresher'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not interested'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not slanted at all, you don't want to stack up the dead though Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Everyone should watch, Little Mosque on the Prairie....a nice canadian tv show that ran for 5 seasons or so.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth is wrong, although furnished caves wih modern facilities are safer than houses with thin walls'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html <-- The unabridged dirt on Islam and Mohammad'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wouldnt mind a cave personally.....with 50 foot thick walls, etc, a nice drilled well, electricity, heat source, etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Zade that website is pure propoganda'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we all know of the bad stuff done in the name of Islam, Zade, but it's not a history'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could do the same thing for Christianity'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or for Judaism'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Twyst, the website provides references to the unabridged Koran and other islamic books'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in Arabic?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I made a sculpture of mohammed today out of bacon.....it was tasty after cooking it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could be arrested for that, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've studied Christianity, and the conclusion is that Christianity is far more benign than terrorist Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, I am scared shitless in my boots here......oh no, run for the hills!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll send TSA armed drones after you if you run to the hills'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you've "studied" Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet you haven't studied Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I.e. taken someone else's word, because as the question you dodged earlier states, can you read Arabic?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Kinda doubt he can read Hebrew either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, most english speakers can barely read english.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a hobby, i search for dirt on Christianity and other religions -- the ~jai/satyamevajayate was extremely informative'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Have you read the Satanic Verses yet ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so i am aware of some of the "g(l)orious" history of Christianity'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess there's no risk of you coming up to some solutions to the country's problems then'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav has read the Satanic Bible, found it kind boring.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I like hedonism as much as the next guy, but they threw in a bunch of rituals and crap I could do without.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the jews killed jesus :('
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the jews killed loads of people'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that Oscar Le Vey (wannabe author) of Satanic Verses is a disappointing "fraud"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'salman rushdie ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he is a decent author.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a popular house guest of the Iranian supreme leader'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'witchcraft practitioners are mostly psychotic wannabees'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'talking of different books and different authors'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the satanic verses was a book based on the life of mohammed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is why the iranian govt condemned him.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if I write a book about an islamic serial killer named mohammed the iranian govt will put a fatwa on me too. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sidetracked by similar reference to the "Satanic Bible" book (wannabe witchcraft book of mid last century)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'never bothered to read Salmon's book -- why bother '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Salmon's book is a fiction, so not that credible'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the irony'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the ~jai/satyamevajayate website references the Koran and other Islamic books -- and those references may be checked -- so is credible'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i am not interested in smear-fiction'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that website references interpretations of those books, so it is only as credible as the translation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is like taking the dialog from the original Witcher game as legit'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and most of the English-speaking Christians reference English translations of the Bible and not the original Greek or Hebrew -- so what - the translations are near enough as a starter'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not condeming the bible and christianity as fundamentally terrorist teachings'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so I don't really care about the veracity of it's translation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are holding up a website with an obvious axe to grind as a truthful narrative, which is bogus'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the English translations of the Koran (from the original arabic) are near accurate enough (terrorism is terrorism in either arabic or English)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'whatever'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tell that to the native americans, the mayans, and other assorted peoples'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'terrorism is a nice catchall for something you don't like'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just don't think religion is important anymore - it used to be one of the biggest providers of community charity and care, and still does in tiny pockets, but government has wrested that job from them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody wants to give it back to them, so a new plan is needed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some nitpicky Christians do use that argument of "original language", that the English translation is "inaccurate", that the original greek or hebrew must be used for the "holy" interpretaion -- so okay - there is the Strongs reference '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you go support the impeachment of Obama instead, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'terrorism by any other language is yet terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Zade that is moronic'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah, what TN said'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'iv'e even heard Catholics blatantly state that the Roman Catholic Church never committed any "crimes against humanity" -- reason: the RCC was guided by and doing the Holy Work of god '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but why are you surprised by this?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a statement of the obvious'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like being surprised that the government has corrupt and/or evil elements'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like being shocked that government blows up it's own people to blame it on a group they want to attack/demonize/invade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've studied various religions over the decades, and from experience, the ~jai/satyamevajayate seems very credible -- if you believe the website is in error, attempt to find significant errors in what the website posted - you are likely going to fail'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone is doubting it's credibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm questioning it's usefulness'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is useful to Xylix , speaks volumes to me .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the usefulness is countering the praisers of islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't work, they're zealots'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have bigger fish to fry, let them stick to their medieval ways'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the more you interfere, the worse it makes them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look to solve problems at home before you start stirring up foreigners'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'feed the next generation of "insert minority/cult here " US TV and fast food - problem solved .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is hilarious listening to you guys blather'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ethnocentrism is a wonderful thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol is really trainwreck TV here atm - it's become dumbed down recently ? seems like it '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this channel?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'here , just an observation - not you Tiggy but in general '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when muslims come to christian nations preaching that Islam is benign and seeking converts, that www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html website is an excellent refresher'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, that's because you've either got Zade shouting about the evils of Islam, Chemosh going on about Hitler, and if anyone brings anything else up whatsoever, it'll get shot down by the loony left and you'll be accused of being racist'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the whole Anton Le Vay meets Salmon Rushie was truly cringeworthy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'muslims coming to christian nations violently, preach on Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there is truth in that in Africa right now, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'didn't we learn to iigy it when it was Xyliz ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I guess you guys didn't hear about France sending troops to Mali'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yeah say you say yesterday Tiggy but on Tz - couldn't ask - whats the deal there ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I dont doubt there might be conflicts in Africa involving Muslims atm'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade gets the uneasy impression that Twyst is an Islam supporter
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the people that Nato put into charge of Libya are invading Mali, France is fighting back against Islamic Extremists (also present in Syria) whom Nato armed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it is not a tenant of the religion as Zade is implying'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't be out of place in a farce comedy movie'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'fundamentalist religion and lack of education go hand in hand '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst sniggers at Zade's actions.  Maybe you should REPORT the idjit.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'NATO SNAFU then ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deliberate, angel'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy it's Tzadkiel - so Tz will do mate '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certain patriot media have been saying this would happen for years'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'interesting - to what end ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give them an excuse to continue warfare'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially about money, about having an excuse to invade Africa, an excuse to further clamp down on liberty at home'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pretty much describes every war since WW2'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'surly with an eye to peace so trade and commerce can continue of their terms ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does, twyst, pretty much any that Nato have been involved in'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'on thier own terms *'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Zade !  Jehovahs Wittnesses ! calling NATO and the UN the beast ! ur que !'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any idiot could see that while Gadaffi, Mubarak, and Assad were dictators, they were the only thing holding their countries together, and the only thing preventing militant Islam gaining foothold'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the west literally double-crossed Gadaffi'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's grotesque'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Western model is at least far more benign than what is going on regions war-town by religious extremists'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only on the surface, zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have you ever heard of a place called Northern Ireland?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yeah imo they underestimated the islamic porwebase .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it has nothing to do w/ east v west or christian v muslim Zade, stop being a puppet'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'they though youth would westernise the countries imo '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they moved far too early in the those african/middle east countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only organised political movement were the islamists'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol faith in social media - pollyanna much ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best thing the west could have done is stayed the hell out of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN, what you are talking about leads to situations like the Shah of Iran'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy is TN ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't advocate freedom and Democracy and then be upset if they don't elect those you favor'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the main problem w/ Africa and the ME is corruption'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sadly, the christian Bible teaches some christian preachers to be martyrs'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Shah of Iran was directly as a result of the USA/UK led coup of Mohammed Mosadeq in 1953, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'much more so than in western Democracies'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah they put him in power, and he terrorized his people'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but he was good for the west so they were okay with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, it was a reaction'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the powers that be have a vested intrest in maiming a fragile process ... I'm suspicious to say the least '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the muslim Koran teaches muslims to be terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the west had originally left them alone, it would have been fine, Mohammed Mosadeq was a SECULAR leader'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'shut up Xyl'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his only crime was wanting to nationalise Iran's oil industry to break the monopoly on it that UK/USA had'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so basically, the whole trouble with Iran now is because of USA/UK's greed and want for oil'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's got to be some kind of global karma in that, rigth?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what you are talking about right now, non-intervention because the "islamists" are the only ones organized is similar'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'increased oil production in the US is perhaps a way to fight back on the US part ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the west SUPPORTED the islamists in these recent u prisings'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'd be like us supporting Hitler'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Islamists are not like hitler'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are the bad guys in the fight'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'dammit - and Dru ain't even here Tiggy !'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the analogy is accurate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the BIble versus the Koran  -- which is going to win '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'analogy is innacurate, Godwin's law illustrated right here'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't be so silly, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I did say .. :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is an incompetent President in overseas politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so Zade is a troll, it all makes sense now'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, ok, if you want to be pedantic Twyst, the Muslim Brotherhood was founded at the time of, and was involved with the Nazi's in WW2. Is that direct enough for you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is reminiscent of Neville Chamberlain ("Peace in our time")'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are rumblings of impeachment going on right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'd have to do some research, but I'm pretty sure Hitler only liked Aryan Christians and killed everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please do'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that was sarcastic TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Winston Churchil was required to challenge the Nazis, not Neville Chamberlain'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then take my word for it :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'name the last war of conquest started by Muslims Zade, I'll wait'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and the train is wrecked ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mali, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama likely believes in "Why can't we all get along." - (a quote from "Mars invades Earth")'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what I really love is after 8 years of G.W., how can any other president look incompetent. Or did you lower the bar for the Bush so he wouldn't have to jump too high?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just convenient amnesia Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html <--- start there Twist'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yea I lowered the bar mate - great kickbacks '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how depressing is it, Anaristos, that after GWB, that a comparison can even be made?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the website is PROPOGANDA'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'THAT is how much trouble you guys are in :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'impossible, when GW was elected the US hit rock bottom :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'accurate propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'when GW was appointed the US hit rock bottom'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find it has to do with the lobbyists/agenda behind the president'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, he didn't get elected the first time, but he got elected the second :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's an oxymoron'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'would contend that business has more power that politics in the US ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'business is politics in US and vice cersa'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'puppet president is new, so the public face is different (and might be a better presenter/media manipulator) but the agenda is identical'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the best propaganda is often the brutal honest truth'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'please look up the definition of propoganda, that will really help this conversation move along'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise propaganda isn't necessary lies or manipulation, there is black, white and grey propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol you think ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(mis)labeling something as "propaganda" does not invalidate the facts or the truth'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Propaganda is a form of communication that is aimed at influencing the attitude of a community toward some cause or position by presenting only one side of an argument.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry to twyst and the others, but that is correct, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at mainstream media for good examples of propaganda in action'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, any media really'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Twyst, dictianery sophistry trickery won't work here'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's not sophistry'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you had an impartial peer reviewed source, I would consider your arguments'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the information has sources posted, you can peer review them yourself, twyst, stop being so intellectually lazy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can't give me a hindu propaganda website as proof, when India and Pakistan have been at each others throats since Indian independence'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html presented the facts, and that is excellent'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a critical view is "balanced" when the view is presenting the facts and is neither deceitful nor lying'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay, I buy that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the view you're trying to imply from this website?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i went through the agony of reading that website -- you may as do some suffering also in the search for facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Don't steal from people who can't afford it, and don't hurt people who do not deserve it.....rules to live by.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I get more base Riz - reciprocity and alturism'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ethics all higher order mammals should aspire to :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'tit for tat n play nice :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'my evil twin would say " I believe in karma and I have no problem being an instrument of it"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'kinda reciprocity'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Nazi !'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'that was her too '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'does Godwin's law cover neo-nazis ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'godwin's law isn't a real law, just like executive orders'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'was playin Tiggy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'unpack executive orders ? presidential decree , right ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wince. listening to radio broadcast and this comment was sailing a little close to the wind: "The modern Democrat party exists to put black people 6-feet under"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'thay can say that on radio? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'freedom of speach ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'said it on radio in an in-studio interview with a black person :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol awkward'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the thing is, i know why it was said, and what the basis was. It's exageration of course and somewhat unfair, but the grain of truth that exists in it is that elements of the Democrat party, including people they look up to in role models DID have that as a plan'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and those people are still alive and active inside the party'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these sorts of people exist in both parties'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that radio broadcast sounds like a "republican" appraisal of the democrats'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libertarian, zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin points at Tigernuts and yells 'EEEEEEEEEK!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I'm sure you have to be either republicrat or demopublican, other alternatives are not valid'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'tintin++?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't really claim one side or the other because they are likewise explicit about pointing out the Bush involvement in WW2 nazis, the russian reveolution and others'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and so on'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'just Tinada on alt, nothing exciting'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"libertarian", "republivcan", a thorny toilet rose by any other name'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'same just Tzadkiel on an alt - you get channbanned too ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't advertise your ignorance, Zade ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I get daily blessings!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'too late Tiggy '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Thatangel  lefty loosy righty tighty 
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you tool :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a libertarian sound like a republican, quacks like a republican, waddles like a republican, then that's likely a republican posing as a libertarian'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should look up the Nolan chart, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might help you come to terms with the false left-right paradigm'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy I was getting there '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a reluctant UKIP supporter, btw'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade mutters: is "paradigm" a word used by communists
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first i was a republican, now i'm a communist'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that doesn't prove you don't understand, I don't know what else would'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'link me Tiggy or short for kippers ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use your favourite NSA spy engine to look it up, Tz'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I am - asking you :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'you don't fool me :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'isolationism then ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Thatangel kicks a soapbox Tiggys way - us it ? 
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you think just because I don't want my country to be run from Brussels that it makes you isolationist?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if it's being run from Brussels, than the people who were running it before can't have been too good'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Thatangel smiles 
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, Twyst, then I guess I need to give you guys a 101 on the European union'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'will that be cash or charge ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the early 1970s, a referendum in the UK narrowly passed to sign UK up to a "Free Trade Agreement" with Europe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'go ahead, I don't mind learning about things I don't know much about :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over the following 50 years, this "Free Trade Agreement" has developed into a European Parliament that dictates around 75% of all the laws to it's member states covering a whole range of topics. Freedom of movement and trade (except when it suits them) and even talk now of fiscal union, common taxation etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a creeping takeover, not dissimilar to the way the US federal government has leeched power and control over the member states of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UKIP wants to remove us from that union. They want to trade with teh world, but not be dictated to by them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US been 1 country for over 200 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'this fiction that the States are independent is a pleasant one, but not real'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, that's where the analogy falls down, the EU were independant sovereign countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not wholly fiction, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is for all the important things'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's subjective'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even people who profess to believe it change their tune when s&*t hits the fan'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some states were independant countries, some were commonwealths, some were just colonies'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Lousiana after BP and Katrina, New Jersey after Sandy etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, every state in the UNION has its own constitution that allows itself to be a member of the united states and allow the US federal govt to make foreign relations, defense, and other things for a common good.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are dreadful examples, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'look at the PIGS of europe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no one is inclined to help them out, because it is "their" problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the Federal government response wasn't exactly great in either circumstance, but neither is it relevent since help is ALWAYS granted to foreign countries in the event of disasters, regardless of membership of any union or other'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with the union'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not just natural disasters but financial ones as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if someone attacked Alabama, they wouldn't have to petition the US government to help them out etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for all intents and purposes it is one Unified country'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's a valid argument, that was the purpose of the union'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is because they have a mutual defense treaty with the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same is true of membership of Nato'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'fast food does attack em all equally .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is semantics Rizgoth, perpetuating the falsehood that the States are independent'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what happened to the south when it tried to secede? I forget'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if they were truly independent secession would be their choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The states can be independent, it has happened before, it can happen again...the road is not easy, but it can happen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Twyst, the arragement of the union is very well documented and laid out'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's all I'm saying'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas !'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was defined what powers the feds would have, and what would remain in the hands of the people and the states'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'here is the thing TN, the founding fathers were not omniscient '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it was essentially that the states would be largely autonomous, the feds would deal with foreign policy, defence, and interstate commerce'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's fine, twyst, but you have to understand that what was set up is not being followed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas joined the union because the feds agreed to pay off its public debt, and protect it from Mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the left are living a lie'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the gun argument at the moment: if you want to restrict guns, table a motion to alter the second ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Texicans basically stole Texas from mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't lie to people and try and claim you have authority to tinker with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to lie to people and say it's ok to wiretap and monitor everyone, repeal the fourth ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or change it. don't lie to people and say it somehow doesn't apply'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you understand?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I see what you are saying TN, and I don't disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good. now why do you think they won't table ammendments to the constitution?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't understand what you mean by table'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'table? hmm, "to put forward before parliament" (in this case congress/senate and the states)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay that phrase is not common in the American lexicon'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, you know i'm not american :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'really ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he is welsh'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I was explaining my lack of understanding not yours'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'regardless'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why do you think they won't put forward changes to the constitution to make these law changes valid rather than lying and sneaking them by?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz no offence ment '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'representative Democracy is not perfect and never has been'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'these things have been occuring since the beginning'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sounds like a dodge, Twyst, how about an honest answer?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'c'mon, must I say it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because the way they are doing it is easier'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still spin and twisting'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't put forward ammendments to make their polices legitimate BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT WOULD NOT PASS'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'while idiots vote democracy is flawed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see how much effort you just put into defending immoral, unethical, or just plain opaque government practice? Whoever does it is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we were promised an honest and transparent administration. yet another broken promise'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully you understand now my opposition to many things. hell, i don't even own a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's a broken system TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which is good at maintaining the status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i entirely agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Bad Tiggy ! self determination in violence is a base survival trait .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it's better than nothing'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it, or nothing are not the only two options'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the US government prefers to tweak the amendments than outright change them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the second amendment made sense in an age when this country was young and remembering the tyranny of being a colony'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even still no one wants to outright ban gun ownership, at least not the majority'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just putting in common sense restrictions'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the right to vote is illustrated in the constitution but it has restrictions, why not gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'banning guns is like banning drugs - cause that worked ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a Canadian, i like the 2nd amendment in the USA for the USA citizens -- feel safer here in Canada'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'restricting guns is not banning them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'screw you, I deserve to buy a full auto machine gun and go hunting rabbits with it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be true, twyst, but the bill being put forward has provisions to confiscate all firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's the subterfuge'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it's that slippery slope argument that keeps gun ownership from being acceptable to all'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'as it stands I could buy enough arms for a small army'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how does that make any sense'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a bureaucratic police state, "restricting" is able to degenerate to the equivalent of "baning"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i put forward an idea for gun control: There should be a gun license (federal database) that you need to be 16 to get, like a drivers license it should require certain amount of tuition in safety and handling. It should list whether you have permission/training to open carry/close carry/trade in firearms, and whether it's for Singel shot, semi-auto, or specialist'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'would you trust every person you met on the street to chaffeur you around town TN?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Australia has had deaconian gun ownership plays for at least a decade - makes ammo hard to buy but has done nothing to limit illegal arms If you want something - just means it's off record and you have to deal with criminals '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USSR restricted and banned guns from the public, and then went on to commit genocide within the USSR -- millions died'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should be renewable each year with a small fee, it should be suspendable if you're on meds or have a violent crime conviction, it could be revokable in extreme circumstances. To get a license will require local confirmation that you have correct secure storage'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'try putting that bill up in congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police should be able to look up your allowances much like they can with drivers licvense'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the NRA cronies would shoot it down sooo fast'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'buying stuff should check your license but not register the firearm'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Twyst, your suggestions for "gun-control" seem "genocidal" and unAmerican'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'firearms should be registered'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NRA would support it, because it is not gun registration, it's person registration'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'false analogy Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'firearm registration is pointless'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then why are they against it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it just means you are responsible to ensure that your gun is used in a proper manner'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'extremely accurate potential scenario analogy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they know it won't work and can be used against people for political and ideological reaons'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't mean that at all, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I know x gun is registered to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would take care to make sure it is not used in commiting crimes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why do you think criminals file serial numbers?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my plan guards against that far better,a nd oh, i forgot to mention, suspension and revokation must have a judicial process for arguing against a decision'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy you forget the "mentally ill" I can't hold a private pilot ticket in Oz let alone a firare yet I believe I have a right to defend myself with any means I have access to , thats just survival , trumps all faux legal argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i look at worst case scenarios -- that is the partial reason that i may appear "tactless" in speech -- verbal brutal honesty'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well stop drinking water, because it will drown you'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can do that with a gun license, Tz, if you get on mental pills tehy should suspend the license, which means you cannot buy, sell, or take your guns out in public'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's the worst case scenario'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have to be reasonable, otherwise you are just being a lunatic'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they wrongly suspend, you can go to a judge and get it looked at'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is ANYTHING i've said unreasonable?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I can't go armed in piblic even legally in Oz '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yep, the trolls are refusing to be "pragmatic"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I was talking to Zade, TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not really, but it doesn't go far enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gun ownership = vote ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does it not do that registering firearms does'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to vote you have to be registered'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why not to own a gun?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true everywhere, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Australia is a dangerous location to express a controversial opinion -- you may be declared "insane" and damaged'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be a closer match to liken it to car ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to buy a car, you have to register it at the DMV'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is true in a first world country like Oz - carrying a gun has got me out of some pretty bad situations and I have never had to fire at someone '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and have insurance, in case through negligence you injure someone or their property'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is for tax reasons'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, in most states you must register each car you own, as well as in order to use the car, you must submit it for inspection regularly'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"registering firearms" denies firearms to those too poor to register the firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to check you're trained to use it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'make registration free'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is illegal to manufacture your own guns in the US without a federal gun manufacturer license from the ATF.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can't get a car registered without a valid license and insurance TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"registering firearms" permits the police to confiscate firearms on false charges'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's illegal to make certain parts of guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i said, car registration has nothing to do with someone's competence in driving'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is also illegal to cut off part of the barrel of a shotgun. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but they can't legally register without having proof of competence'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither does it stop people nicking cars and commiting crimes with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but it's required nonetheless...the driver's license is for that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but any idiot can buy a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you need proof of competence, which is why you should have a gun license'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"registering firearms" is able to degenerate to the equivalent of "banning" firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you get a gun license to be able to buy guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then you get your gun registered so you can own one'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'similar to cars'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what the government does not know, they can't confiscate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need to register the guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is where you and I disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun registration doesn't add anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the 410 pistol I carry is made from an old over n under shotgun - is a new piece but is the most hartm iminimising piece of luggage I carry daily atm - harm minimization for me '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you shouldn't be equating it to car ownership ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'registering guns is not necessary.....just require a background check to take a gun safety class, which would be required to buy a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then why do police officers have guns registered to their names?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'administrative purposes, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it adds responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it adds government control'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you shoot someone you have to justify yourself period'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the NRA types don't want that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an absurd statement'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'is a kneejerk reaction evertime there is a guncrime - nothing more '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how is it absurd'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NRA are not calling for the legalisation of gun homicide'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are calling for things that would make it easier and put the onus on investigators'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no they are not'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I can buy an unregistered firearm and kill someone with no witnesses'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they will never track me down'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have been supportive of measure to tighten up control of selling firearms to mentally ill people'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unless they get lucky'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol not true Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the very large part, legally owned firearms are not used in crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ridiculous assertion TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unless all weapons have BALLISTICS registered, they won't track you down even if it is registered...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whether the gun is registered or not does not matter on whether they catch you or not.....you can whack someone and get rid of the gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe they should ABe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not ridiculous, it's factually accurate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'take nothing leave nothing no motive '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'criminals wouldn't register their guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think gun crime in the UK is mostly legal firearms?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't give them a choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'even ordinary citizens like me can't register thier firarms - through class or because we can't hold a ticket for em - I am not a criminal - just someone that wants to take best practice to be safe '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun massacres are mostly predicated on SSRi's'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guns escalate non lethal situations into lethal ones'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do something about those, and mental health and overprescriptions and you will solve that issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guns also de-escalate confrontational situations into non-confrontational ones'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'personally, if I wanted to whack someone....I would use a tiny amount of cyanide.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'rape is "non lethal .. Id rather die personally '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or be able to defend myself - and I do '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, Tigernuts, I agree, it's well shown by history that having lots of guns tends to produce peace and tranquillity'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also shown that the first thing a dictator-to-be does is disarm the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there is no centralized command in western nations, no dictators'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no, they disarm a section of the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they disarm the opposition, swalec'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the general population'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'if guns are outlawed only outlaws will carry guns .. and the uniforms that turn up after the fact .. not good enough for me '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that argument could be used against any law on the books TZ'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you seem to forget that dictators need a lot of people to rule -- one guy cannot control an entire population'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they don't need a lot, no'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they do need a lot Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Drunk'ing Abel person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no they don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so when you say the general population, you mean that section of the general population that isn't involved in enforcing the situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't, twyst, they need a monopoly of FORCE'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they need the military under their thumb'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's been historically shown that it's amazing how small of a group of well-armed troops can keep a rather large population at bay'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how do you force 300 million people to do you're bidding?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you would need at least an army that is 10% that size to control such a population'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you control the government'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah the gov't is huge TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, history has shown that most dictators kill off a good portion of the population, then the rest fall into place.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need control of the resources'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'every dictator usually rises from the ranks of the military or political parties'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, they kill off a small but vocal portion of the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'deb Occy !'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not a good portion'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in either case they need thousands of people who agree with them and are willing to cede them power'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soz mischann'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they kill of the vocal and viable opposition, to scare the rest of the population to shut up'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'in closing - From my cold dead hand... '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not by themselves they don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many historical references do you need?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thousands to control hundreds of thousands to millions is not large...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is pretty large Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you need to learn what large means...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'large has no meaning and is relative'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and although Twyst is for gun-control, Twist is likely to be among the first to be "euthanised" when the new regime seizes control from a disarmed populace'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the point I am making is no dictator rules on their own'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'large has meaning...and it being relative is the crux of my comment'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'besides which, don't you think it's a little bit disproportionate? keeping assault rifles in the off chance you want to fight against a dictatorship?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you have no point'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not many people hold assault rifles'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody has stated that a dictator rules as one person'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so how is that a point?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, there is no sensible definition of an assault rifle'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I do :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'frankly, if you are in a situation where there are loads of people with guns, I would be more worried about a dictatorship not less'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, but you're a gass-guzzling redneck! :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN and others are arguing that limiting gun ownership is the first step to dictatorship'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'historically it is, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its not the most important step'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twyst: funny, the founding fathers argued that very same thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, to me, it makes more sense to ensure that you have a rich democracy which seems a better solution than making sure everyone can kill everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the situation is different Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a vital step'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they were recently members of a colony'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'did the founding fathers not also think that "everyone is created equal" and owning slaves was not a contradiction?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going target shooting with my latest buy....a p90, like the ones they had on stargate sg1.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it isn't...and they argued that the situation would *NEVER EVEREVER* b edifferent'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that was their entire point. human condition rules.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, the founding fathers were just a bunch of guys after all. It's possible that they were wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possible, swalec, but they weren't, as it goes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'history has shown that they weren't wrong on this...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so Aussie is now a dictatorship'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in addition to the UK and Japan'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as it's been a recurring theme all over the globe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is largely a dictatorship, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you need other ingredients Abe, limiting gun ownership is not the lynchpin'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also a far less safe place since they took the guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it just helps dictators solidify their control'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I haven't said it is, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the FN P90 is awesome....50 round horizontal clip, semi auto only though.....900 rounds per minute auto.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but it is a critical one'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'good thing no one is talking about banning guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just making reasonable changes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and it is the one that determines how successful the oppression is'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop fibbing, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for certain definition of reasonable...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the TALK is about reasonable changes, the POLICY is about registration and confiscation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cost only $2600 to buy, straight from Belgium.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'registration is not a big deal'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'll start saving up, riz :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'confiscation, please point that out'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a big deal'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'worth every penny. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go read the bill being submitted to the Senate by Dianne Feinstein'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'registration is a step'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to responsible gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'registration does nothing to make the owner more responsible'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so anyone should be able to buy and own a gun abe, no questions asked?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody but That has been calling for that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Twyst, that's why i called for gun licenses that require training and lay down people's entitlements'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nice to see that you can bluff an argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not trying to bluff or be disingenous Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then why are you kneejerking a point that we've ALL been arguing against?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the current situation right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the current situation is that background checks are done, then ignored'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I could buy a gun today, no questions asked'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at gun shows TN?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, at gun shows'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a friend who just got out of the US army wants me to buy his gun....it is a M16-A2....the latest M16.....nice gun, but only worth about $500.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, in all states where checks are required, they're STILL required at gun shows'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'private firearm sellers are not required to perform background checks'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they are required to only sell to licensed holders'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the background check would have been performed at that point'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'at gun shows, it's that same check that is performed...seeing if they're in the DB of pre-cleared'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there is no punishment if they don't abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is the background checks aren't followed up: Newton town shooter failed background checks 5 times in the month leading up to the shootings'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not true'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if guns were registered, I would make sure the guy I was selling to was licensed to carry'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with regisstration, if somebody moves and fails to reregister, the police confiscate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the discussion here was on the proposed law, not on current, which is *HUGELY* different per state'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't need registration for that, Twyst, you need a license'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with registration, if somebody fails to pay the registrsation fee every (say) five years, the police confiscate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if a gun was linked to you, you would be responsible for it, if that's not true I'll stop arguing right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not true'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with registration, if somebody is arrested for a crime, the police confiscate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it has never been true'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does car registration make you responsible for a car wreck?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if a car I owned and registered at the DMV was sold to some guy off the books and was used to commit a crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wanna kill someone with that gun? Oh hey guyz, someone stole that gun the other day. I haven't gotten around to telling you about it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they would come looking for me, so I don't see how it "isn't true"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah you have to justify yourself though'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're advocating investigator laziness'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the seller of a car doesn't need to have any paperwork about it being sold'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can buy any kind of weapon I want....we even bought a WWII tank. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I don't transfer the title it still belongs to me though '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I have quite often just let someone walk off with vehicles to sell them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you no longer have responsibility for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and I've even sold vehicles without bothering with titles'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(those ones were to scrapyards)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah it's being disposed, no one will use it again'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you think'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wholly different scenario'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you hand the signed title or piece of paper to the other guy, you have no evidence that anything took place'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not at all...you're talking about responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody but that other guy knows that I sold it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but for that other guy to legally use it, he has to register it and needs that title'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'signed and notarized'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're not talking about legally'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not notarized'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're discussing my responsibility if what had been registered as my property were used for illegal acts'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they would come to you, you would say I sold it, they would say who to?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'correct?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and I'd say "some guy"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I don't know the names of ANYONE I've ever sold to'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When we bought the sherman tank, its gun was plugged, but we replaced it with a new one that a 'friend' with a metal fab shop made for us. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's investigator laziness'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, we now have a tank that can actually fire shells.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't know where they're from, don't care'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you would if it was illegal not to'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually it is the whole point'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're using this to demonstrate that it should be no different for firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you've failed miserably at that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you say so'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because registration of the car didn't give me any more responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor would registration of the firearms themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so registration in addition to having to be responsible for the disposal of your firearm would'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'as it stands you neither need to register or be responsible for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but yes lets keep the status quo, so they don't take our "liberty"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, registration plus having to dispose stilldoesn't give responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as I've already demonstrated'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sorry, someone stole it the other day'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what problem is it you're trying to solve, Twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'did you report it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it just happened, haven't had a chance yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Anyone know where I can find some 76 mm shells ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'had a really important meeting'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so now if we can identify who stole it, we can hold them responsible for its ill use'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which gives you just as much info as you had without the registration'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'narrows down the list of suspects from 300 million to a couple thousand'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuz if you could identify who used it, you can hold them responsible for its use'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it narrows it down to an identical list of suspects'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who would be hurt by gun registration'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun owners'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all gun owners? really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have no intention of registering my guns.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ever.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are immediately suspects and demonised'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are targets for confiscation, and it becomes a hitlist for a tyrant to go after'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'registering all jews in Germany wouldn't hurt any jews, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well I guess what we have is good enough then, I hope none of your loved ones are ever gunned down needlessly'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they are, twyst, it won't be from a registered gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We all have guns....we are the ones who will protect you. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you still haven't quite twigged that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not true Riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a guy with a gun didn't stop columbine'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Like that housewife that shot the evil doer 5 times when he was trying to get at her kids....my only regret is the bastard survived.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah that was a retarded story, I'm sure the guy was looking for her kids'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, but there are tons of examples of shooters being stopped by public with guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'probably thought the house was unoccupied'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he didn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was shouted at, and he carried on'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not condoning crime, but when has burglary become a capital offense'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, that is why he followed her to the attic, and she shot him when he came into it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a conservative estimate is that 1,500,000 offenses are prevented in the USA by public gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would have shot the bastard in the head 5x.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a guy with a gun didn't stop columbine because nobody was allowed to have a gun in schools...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then again, when under stressful situations such as that, most people say to shoot for the largest target, ie the torso.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they had an armed security guard Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he ws the first to go'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'all laws have good intentions, and if the leaders who execute them are benevolent, then there are few problems...  the problem is, laws are a lot harder to repeal than to pass, and leadership changes over time.  what was once meant for good can be used for tyranny.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given there was multiple people involved in Columbine, you'd need more than 1 guard'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is why there shouldn't be only one "good" gun in the area...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the bad guys already know who he is and where he is...it's easy to snipe him before he knows wtf's going on'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'all the kids should have had guns!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so having armed guards is inherently foolish'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'plus, like, automated turrets'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unless you want to arm everyone everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, twyst, that's why you allow teachers and staff to conceal carry'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it's quite good...but it only protects against more-normal attacks'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and pray none of them snap'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if a couple teachers had ankle holsters, or the principal a gun in the safe, things might have been diferent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they any more or less likely to snap than a cop?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they could snap whether or not they're "allowed" to carry in school'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not like we don't have any bad teachers molesting students or anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm sure some of the teachers own firearms, but didn't have them in school because it could get them fired'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most private schools have guns, it is just the public ones that are dangerous.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and that's why i like it here. kids get wedgies not shot'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wedgies are banned here'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'everything is banned in the uk'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'plenty of examples of tighter gun laws working in other western countries, but we will behind the times as usual'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'plenty of examples of it not working, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an assanine argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has so many factors, among them is mental health, POVERTY, culture, society'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, in 2009, esto had 70 homicides, 38 by firearms'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blaming guns is just a cop out'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is esto short for Estonia?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'society in the US is based on FEAR, as long as that continues, violence will continue.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'quite easy to get a gun here, but when shootings are very rare. usually some rednecks drinking till someone gets angry and goes for the hunting rifle'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canada has more guns per capita than the US, and their violent crime rate is much lower than ours, but their non violent crime rate is much higher.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if gun proliferation was such a good thing, nuclear proliferation would be as well by the same argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'people getting stabbed on the street is national news for a few weeks'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts rolls his eyes in disgust at Twyst.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you just need good guys with nukes TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'already have those I imagine, so we should be fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, because you can stop a nuke with a nuke...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'who are the "good guys" with nukes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all th good guys do have them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'same way you can stop a gun with a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a bullet with a bullet that is'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and it doesn't go any farther'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nuke is not the case'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on a individual basis, being shot is like being nuked Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so cops never get shot I imagine'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '2 sides with guns can kill 2 sides and no others...2 sides with nukes would obliterate the entire planet'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they all carry guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'its rediculous, basic gun safety can be taught in an hour, plus a couple more on the range to get some practical experience on the range.  using a gun safely is a couple orders of magnitude easier than driving, but the average citizen can't safely conceal carry?  most conceal carry courses are way more than that btw.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets hope the hissy fit between pakistan and india does not go nuclear.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nice to know that you can suspend reality when it suits you'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Drunk'ing Abel!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Twist (trolling as) a 10 years old immature uneducated child - (equating guns with nukes)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not equating Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just using another example to illustrate the flaws in Abe and TN's arguments'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the flaw in my argument, sorry?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that if everyone has guns we will be safer'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was your argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, using an invalid example to illustrate nothing...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said that disarming everyone doesn't make anyone safer'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Abelincs and Tigernuts platforms are solid in this 2nd amendment topic '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guns are your friends.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'treat them with respect.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'And Twyst, just because other nations are doing gun control doesn't mean the US is "behind the times." It doesn't mean that they are progressing to a place we should want to go. Access to guns for law-abiding, sane citizens is a matter of individual liberty and taking your life into your own hands, rather than trusting the government to always be there as your father figure'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone put their arm in a blender and made it trendy, would you do so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are putting your life into gun owners hands'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that was relaly old, but got distracted'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I could be a legal law abiding citizen with a legally purchased gun, until I shoot someone or someones I don't like'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no amount of guns in others hands will stop me'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm certainly happy to live in a state which doesn't require registration of the weapons themselves, doesn't require a license to buy/own (but does require checks), and which has its conceal carry law written such that you're guaranteed a "yes" unless they can find a reason for a "no" :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I just don't trust that when something happens, the police will always be there. And what if an attacker comes at your 86 year old grandma with a knife? Is she going to be able to defend herself without a gun?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're a ninja seal now?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Why would you shoot someone you didnt like?  Are you a whacko who should be in a mental hospital or something?  Do you take medication for that ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'You, Twyst, already equated a worst case scenario to the possible drinking of water -- indicating a lack of "pragmatic" maturity'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'guns are so complex they can't be trusted to the average citizen, yet so simple they make violence easy... which is it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'They aren't that complex, they just possess and undeniable ease of access to danger which certain criminal and mentally-ill individuals shouldn't have access to. Just as we don't let felons exercise their right to vote, or let blind people drive'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, funny you mention someone going at grandma with a knife...my grandma was held at knifepoint in an airport when I was younger'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods at Tasty Tipro.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont allow criminals to vote because if we did, we would be afraid they would actually get together and vote for prison reforms that should be done anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'felons that is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so is the status quo alright with you Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You treat people like animals, and that is exactly what you will get.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the status quo isn't the status quo...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USSR used to commit "crimes against humanity" by labeling "dissenters" as "mentally unstable" and "insane" and damaging them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing similar between vermont and new york'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'talk about sophistry,'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what does that even mean'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what does what mean?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the status quo isn't the status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're discussing "The US"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is currently no such thing as gun laws in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe there should be a minimum standard'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that doesn't make sense Abel. Read the 1934 and 1968 gun laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've lived in New York State, and I now live in Pennsylvania...there is no semblance of similarity between the two'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it makes no sense to have loose gun laws in one state and easily obtainable ones in another when people can freely migrate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Can't buy a gun in a state other than your own? Federal law. Background check on pistol purchase from dealer? FEderal law'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Tipro: it makes full sense'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can buy guns in other states'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yeah it does, but just pointing there are federal laws. And it's illegal to buy a handgun in a state other than your resident state'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'don't know about long gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but what you can do in other states is subject to agreements between attourneys general of the relevant states'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I didn't say there are no federal laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'try to at least pretend to be reasonably-intelligent in the discussion'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: '[15 Jan 07:33:40] (Debate) Abelinc: 'there is currently no such thing as gun laws in the US''
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'okay abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, and in the context of the discussion'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'private firearm sellers are not required to perform background checks'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sorry'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a gun license would make that easy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're discussing actual GUN LAWS...not A LAW ABOUT GUNS'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'GUN LAWS as a body do not exist at a federal level...the federal government doesn't determine whether or not an owning license is required, a carry license is required, registration is required...currently'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'there are gun laws affecting how to get a silencer, closing off civilian purchase of automatic weapons manufactured after 1988, prohibitng possession of a shotgun with a barrel shorter than 18". All GUN LAWS'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is exactly what started this conversation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I can get automatic weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'legally'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'if you have a class 3 license, or a tax stamp approved by your local head LEO and then buy one manufactured before 1988, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think federal government has jurisdiction to legislate over gun ownership, though they can play colour of law and use commerce clauses to get around some of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so please, try to at least pretend that you know what the hell the discussion is about before taking statements entirely out of context and declaring something true or false'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'You got a huge stick up your ass about a small comment. Relax'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when someone asks if "the current state of gun owning/registration laws in the US" is acceptable to me, the answer is "There are no federal gun laws"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and, btw, the very fact that dealers must have a license is a federal law. So you are still wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is no country-wide status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, not wrong in the least'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I didn't specifiy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you did'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you go through a federal background check when buying a firearm. You get searched by the ATF'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the discussion is regarding gun laws in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess legally there cannot be federal gun laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'kids, play nice'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as it pertained to a proposed bill at the federal level'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything else is done via obfiscation and skewing colour of law stuff in other areasd'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Control_Act_of_1968'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thanks for the links which have ZERO to do with the discussion...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'federal gun laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which have ZERO to do with the discussion...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'right, sorry. Nothing to do with whether federal gun laws exist in the status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't matter how many times you repeat them, they're not what we've been discussing for the past 45 mins'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'good thing no one has a gun on aard, or this argument might escalate :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you have said there are no federal gun laws for 45 minutes. I'm saying you are wrong. You have said there are no licensing requirements. I have said you are wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I have offered proof'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seriously though no need to get upset here, just a chat on a 90's text based game'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, I have not stated that, tipro. and you're incorrect to say that I'm wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you have offered proof of nothing which I've talked about'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'of zero consequence too lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should explain it to them again, Abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'ah, aren't both of you against tighter gun laws? why argue with your ally about semantics?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers with Andurien about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I'm in favor of universal background checks and stronger reporting from universities and mental health institutions into NICS. That's about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mostly because I can't stand idiocy regardless of which side of the aisle he stands on'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you still don't explain what "absence" you're talking about'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no good doing that then not acting on it, tipro. like what happened in Newton'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'schmuck reads one sentence and jumps the fuck on it like a pitt bull without ANY context whatsoever'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i refer people to the gun license plan i put forward some hours ago'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone would be happy with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'like gun registration?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I have to wonder how many of those "if more people were armed you could stop shooters" guys ever had any combat sensitisation training...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tipro, the discussion has been regarding end-user laws...whether or not the owner should need to be licensed, whether or not the firearms themselves should need to be registered, conceal carry laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and those run from "you don't need shit to own, buy or carry" to "we will interview your first girlfriend and your third cousin twice removed before we even think about letting you buy"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guns should require mandatory insurance, that would solve everything quickly'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mandatory insurance is just a corporate scam'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see car insurance in the UK, and Obamacare for examples'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obamacare hasn't even gone into effect, was a repub plan to start with, but it is a scam okay'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and I've lived in states on both ends of that spectrum. So there is no US-wide status quo, NOR ANY FEDERAL LAWS mandating (or releasing from mandate) any of those'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it exists to push up the profit of corporate health sector'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why people's health insurance bills are going up'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because no one would go for single payer'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and none of your links have made any claims to the contrary of that, tipro'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not justification, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yes it varies from state to state, but that might be a better system than mandated federal requirements. No, you're right ABelinc as far as I know there are no federal laws touching on concealed carry and licensing for users'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so again, learn what the fuck is being discussed before a kneejerk reaction'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I was involved in the conversation and scrolled back, you may have said that 45 minutes ago but it didn't appear. Maybe not be such an ass when someone responds to a statement w/o qualifications like "there are no federal gun laws" Try not to be a dick'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't say I've ever seen Abe so angry'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's not go down the line of name calling, you're not Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It doesn't hurt you to just ignore it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not 45 mins ago...it's what the entire conversation has been about the entire time I've been here'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably time to move it on'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'back to the original question Abe that started this whole diatribe'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is the status quo, not specifically on a federal level, but on a state by state level okay with you'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you're going to ask me about status quo, you'll need to specify which status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as I said, Vermont...New York State...no comparison between the two'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so you find all the laws currently on the books in each state acceptable'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vermont is a really safe state, right? with concealed carry and alsorts iirc?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't need permit for anything in vermont...own, open or conceal carry'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the federal level does have NICS (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics) which provides an avenue for all background checks on all gun sales through federally licensed dealers. The system could be stronger by requiring reporting from universities and mental health insitutions'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '^so do you'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The state with the most tree coverage in the US is New Hampshire, at 89%'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the gun homicide rates in vermont is what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and all dealers must be federall licensed. This doesn't apply to private sales, but if you go to a gun shop in the US and buy a gun you will be run through NICS'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'correlation is not causation TN, regardless of what the rate is'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i shouldn't ask about statistics, but i'm betting gun violence, and just violent crime in general there is very low'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and vermont even has a law on the books saying no municipality can have stricter laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Tasty Tipro.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's convenient that you'd say that Twyst, because you use similar bad correlations in your anti-gun arguments'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Abe is it okay that I can buy a gun from Joe bob, no questions asked if he is okay with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Vermont is an affluent, relatively free state'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Vermont has low violent crime despite lax gun restrictions, Chicago has extremely high violent crime despite tight gun restrictions'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad you've come to understand that gun laws or lack of them aren't the driver of violent crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Chicago is not an island, and gun restrictions aren't the only variable'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Vermont just has smarter people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and new york city where nobody is allowed a handgun other than cops and "professionals"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so water now magically protects against violent crim?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'violent crime will happen anywhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why make it easy for anybody with an index finger to kill people'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'new york city *IS* an island }:>'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'metaphorically abe, not literally'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Vermont also has a larger white % than most states.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the gun doesn't really make it easier to make crime happen - it makes it easier to protect yourself from crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You snicker softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah New York is an island but nothing besides the law is stopping me from importing a personal weapon'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not pass laws that do not require to be passed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'as you said, it's going to happen. The gun just lets some people have a better chance of protecting themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'same is true of everywhere on the planet'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'guns are used for attacking, how can they protect you'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing but laws preventing gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'stop a threat'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its not a threat until after the fact'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if guns are only for attacking, why arm policeman?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unless you are G zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'when you fire in self-defense it's not to kill, but to stop the attack'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like that lady who shot the dude 5 times and told him to lay still lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'That's why you use hollow points - not to tear out more flesh, but because expansion of the bullet delivers more force and physically stops an oncoming attacker'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you guys should think about the deficit and bankruptcy :-) the gun debate is kinda closed. If they try to pull anything it'll either not work, or you're going to have a lot of dead people on their hands'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's the spirit'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'deficit debate is closed too in that respect. Either it'll work or it wont'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what will work?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'whatever they do or don't do'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best insulate yourself then'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as the economy continues to grow, we can take care of the debt and deficit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can you do that when debt is rising faster than growth, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'grow the economy even faster. Build the deathstar'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'currently it is, but that is only because we are doing deficit spending right now to speed up the recovery.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'structural deficit is lower than that needed to reduce debt as a percentage of gdp'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Disdain: 'Deficit spending didn't work back during the great depressing, sure as hell isn't working now'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in time, the jobs will come back, more people will pay taxes, less people will be on food stamps, etc, and the deficit will drop'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Disdain: 'depression*'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, the fake growth argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the debt growth will slow down, and the economy will keep humming along.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'worked during WW2 and the great depression'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't if you keep increasing debt spending'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, Rizgoth wants the poor people to pay the taxes that pay off the debt, not the rich'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deficit spending is the only way to get out of recessions and depressions, otherwise you end up like Japan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're pretty much like Japan already'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I think donating to a MUD should be a tax-writeoff'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as are we in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to get meaningful growth you need to build and export'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, Japan has a debt % of 180% over their economy.....the US is at 82% and dropping again.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have the capacity to do that with oil'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'funny thing is, japan is about to launch massive stimulus under a new pro-military nationalist govt...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is >100% no?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that ol' 30s feeling...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, our economy has continued to grow, and it is currently at 82%'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the new government that had power in the late 90's and got them where they are today! A stagnant economy'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets hope your interest rates stay low then'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I wonder what the interest rates would be if the EU economy was better'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"build and export" -- that theory breaks down in a unified-nation world - nowhere to export'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, back then they had the old stagnant austerian doctrine... funny thing is, now that they've changed their minds, their debt problem will actually ease through more spending (and debt)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'devil is in the detail, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one of the great ironies of depression economics - more spending improves your debt situations, less makes it worse...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not spending on sensible things that we need, like housing or infrastructure, they're spending on giving banks vast amounts of money to give to their lobbyist intersts'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "build and be self-sufficient and do not export" model does not seem popular among some academics'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course not, how can collectivists collectivise if everyone is self sufficient?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obama is following the same gameplan that clinton used when he was president, and then bush ruined when he became president.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what you spend on matters to the economy in the long run, but doesn't change its impact on unemployment...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'we still on gun control ? soz just did my first drag :D was good '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, there's a good reason why the "build and be self-sufficient and do not export" model, as you put it, isn't popular... because it failed miserably in comparison. See Latin America.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know why they tagged "and don't export" on that'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's wrong with "be self sufficient AND export"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Latin America was sabotaged by .. the USA ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, like the US will be doing soon...exporting oil and natgas to our buddies in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, why export if you are completely self-sufficent? You want to give stuff to other people and not import stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why export? to gain wealth'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allows you to bring in the things you cannot get yourself'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Argentinia since the 80's - interesting S America economy - worth a look imo '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you must have a balance of exports and imports to gain wealth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to build up a stockpile of shiny stuff that you don't need? Worked so well for China in the past...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do, Riz, which is why the US and UK's economies are both shot - both import led for decades'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't run an economy of a sizeable diverse nation off a service or financial sector alone'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but gov't spending is arguably required for the new economy - technology exports'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ours is only because we were importing so much oil.....pretty soon we will be exporting a lot of oil....'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'people export because they aren't completely self-sufficient. There's no reason for a country to export, except to get stuff it wants but doesn't have. (or more cheaply)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you import just about everything'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but it is capitalist competition which is killing those economies like Cancer TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the economy we want for the future is not just furniture factories'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'or grain mills. We want to create and export technology'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'problem is how do you get that. Subsidize it while the tech is new and expensive? How does the gov't know what will work and be profitable anyways?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't, so it shouldn't try, Tipro'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'do you make higher education free for science, tech, math, engineering degrees? I don't know'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that would make sense Tipro'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you have a hands off approach to allow inovation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather than taxing the shit out of everything'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hands off lead to monopolization which is the antithesis of innovation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Aug 1, 2012 US Import Export Statistics, Data. Annual value of US exports, $1.84 trillion. Annual value of US imports, $2.52 trillion.  The diference is mostly oil that we currently import, the other stuff is a much smaller % of the total.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'China is heavily subsidizing green energy and is monopolizing the rare earth metals needed for tech development. Should we do the same?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'monopolisation happens some time after innovation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'by monopolization I mean they are buying the rights to mineral deposits in countries around the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'mostly in Africa and the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the country's fault for allowing it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you get innovation - windows for example'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they dominate the market'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah, nothing wrong with it, so long as it's peaceful. But should we do the same?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'should we spend public dollars to make sure our market has access to those materials?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then there is no incentive to innovate, because they have no competition'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, tipro, you should'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so they peddle the same crap over and over'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the limiting factor for science and tech is the small base of capable people, not the rewards involved. Taxation to expand this base makes much more sense.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but then you must tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'monopolization didn't get intel to innovate, AMD did'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the question isn't should we be taxed, it's what should be taxed and for what purpose'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'ah very true'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if someone would be an inventor for profits of 100m, but not 50m, and would rather hide in his basement or something, I'd very much doubt his sanity...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US spends about $45 billion every month to import oil from foreign countries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'private dollars right rizgoth?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... or that he'd be an inventor in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so for argument sake: "We are taxing cigarettes to put the money into the additional healthcare requirements it causes" - I would agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"We are taxing cigarettes to make them expensive so that people don't smoke" - I would disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US imports right now, about 10 million barrels a day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"We are taxing petrol and cars to use the money to improve both the road network and public transport" - I would agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: '"we are taxing gun sales to contribute to the cost of health care for the victims of gun violence" - agree?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"We are taxing petrol and cars to use the money to give poor people so they can breed, have sky tv and new mobile phones every year (read, general taxation pot)" - I disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the most efficient way would be to tax stuff based on the benefits/harm of the specific taxation, then spend again based on the benefits/harm of the specific types of spending.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come up with some figures and that argument could be made, tipro'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be a pretty small tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'taxing something and diverting that into a specific use is inefficient, and is one of the reasons why we're doing better than countries which do stupid, ineficient things...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i bet if obama said we're going to put a 2.5% sales surcharge on guns and ammo to put it into charity care, nobody would b at an eyelid'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'http://www.newsmax.com/US/Chicago-gun-tax-healthcare/2012/11/02/id/462631'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, sure, it'd look better politically, but it doesn't change the fact that it's economically inefficient.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'doesn't say the numbers, but the health care costs outnumber the revenue from the tax about 100 to 1'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because you have a disarmed city with a huge crime problem, tipro, it's a chicken and egg situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of our $700 billion trade deficit each year is oil and gas imports.....just wait til our imports drop by 50% in the next 10 years, and that deficit drops by $250 billion each year.....that is $250 billion added to our economic development each year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's because its a symbolic gesture (ruse)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and you are also taxing innocent people in that scenario who aren't causing the violence. With gas, everyone pollutes'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i pointed out the two cigarette arguments. In the UK the anti-smoking lobby keeps pushing the cost to society angle despite the fact that the cigarette tax shows a net profit of some 50%'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed, tipro'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the US, tobacco smuggling has increased by over 400% since the higher taxes went in. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprised, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same thing happened here, now they have to spend a lot of resources combatting it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government creates a problem, then has to tax more to solve the mess they made'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NYC estimated that it is losing about $300 million a year from illegal tobacco sales in 2012, up from about $10 million in 2005.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as long as you still impose tariffs, there's not really an increase in resources needed to combat smuggling.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because Bloomberg is a crook'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's no better than the mafia bosses of old'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i bet it'll come out that he's got a hand in the smuggling'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he doesnt need to, he makes a mint from his bloomberg networks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'generally people who make a lot of money from legal activities won't be involved in illegal activities... at least not for the money.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression Chicago and NYC would be far better places if you could do away with Rahm Emanuel and Mr Bloomberg'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not necassirily true Sonshi, see Bernie Madoff'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a single license of the bloomberg machine for stock information is $10,000'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for instance, our corruption scandals at the highest levels often involve sex.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and stock brokers have thousands of them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bernie wasn't making money legally.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'bernie was filthy rich, but needed even more'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he could have made a million a year easily legally, but wanted 100's of millions'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when it comes to high level banking elite, they make the rules, and they make them so that they don't apply to them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, he only kept doing it because otherwise he would have been caught sooner. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Kenneth Lay'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha, he certainly wasn't making anywhere near that legally'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why so few people every get prosecuted for all these banking scandals and ripoffs'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He said he had to keep running the scam or go to jail much sooner.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so he did it for 40 years, it is just amazing that he was able to do it for so long.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, a lot of these scams happen because they're bleeding cash and can't make any money legally.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then don't make any'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't justify it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'do you think if we voted in all independents (non Republican/Democrats), it would lead to the banking elite being held accountable?  Or would they just buy their new puppets?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Who's justifying it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just did'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the point is that if you're making zillions legally, you wouldn't be running a little scam on the side. Unless you're an idiot.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather you implied that it was give n as justification'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Michael Vick?, Martha Stewart?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'martha stewart isn't even on the same page as these guys'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but she belies the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it doesn't matter if you have a billion dollars, more is always the answer'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if martha stewart was locked up for what she did, then zuckerman and the facebook crew would be in jail for life right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so by saying "rich people don't steal bread from shops unless they're crazy", am I justifying theft?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interesting levels of comprehension I'm seeing. Par for the course...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this analogy rich people WERE stealing bread from the breadshop, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the banking elite'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you imaginary bloomberg smuggling scam?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'err, your'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bernie madoff, john corzine, the libor scandal, the hsbc drugs and iran weaponary money laundering'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There should be a $2 tax on all stock transactions....it would raise hundreds of billions each year in new tax revenue.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the clinton-glass-stegall mortgage fiasco, the UK payment insurance racket'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how long a list do you want?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'like I said, a lot of scams were run by people who couldn't make it legally.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baloney'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was greed'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why did '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romney pay 14% taxes, was he really hurting for that other 21%?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'He was able to do that after taking a tax deduction of over 2 million because of his charity donations of 4+ million'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if an avoidance method is legal, expect every rich guy to take advantage of it. You've to close the loopholes, not rely on their goodwill...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think i've heard it all now though: "Those poor banking elite, they couldn't make any money legally, so they had to steal and rip off 100s of billions of dollars and screw the entire western system of economics up"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'look into his charity deductions Flach'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rich elite write the rules for that very reason'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You know, charitable donations are supposed to be limited to no more than 5% of income.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a lot of their "theft" was legal though...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, charitable deductions that is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'blame your lobbyists///'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Wrong.  You can donate as much as you want to charity.  The rules come in on deductions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i blame the people for voting in these crooks'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I wonder if there's some confusion about the very distinct concepts of what is "right" and what is "legal"...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its not really a donation Flach'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'what isnt'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'look up the term charitable remainder unitrust'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: '2.6m of the 4m he gave away in 2011 was to the church'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I dont like the guy at all, but what he did isnt illegal in the least bit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are holding it, but he gets capital gains off of it tax free'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Romneys CRUT, which is only a small part of the $250 million that Romneys campaign cites as his net worth, has been paying him 8 percent of its assets each year. As the Romneys have received these payments, the money that will potentially be left for charity has declined from at least $750,000 in 2001 to $421,203 at the end of 2011. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one problem with deductions for charity is that people can channel them to dubious charities that serve little societal purpose... I wonder why countries feel the need to subisidise the "charity" of their wealthier members...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Sure, that accounts for some of it.  Thats fine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they probably shouldn't, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I dont like what he's doing, but its not illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd certainly like for charitable deductions to be abolished, or at least substantially cut... Can't say that too loudly though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all deductions should be abolished, along with all tax-free allowances'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a lady in NYC who makes $50 million or so a year tax free from her investment in local muni bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'It would be nice to see a hard cap on them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love muni bonds....more people should invest in their communities.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you abolish all caps and allowances and some people are suffering, then your system of taxation and rates should be looked at'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we used to have something simlar, Riz - they government abolished them'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now all municipal borrowing has to go through government Private Finance Initiatives, which ends up costing the tax payer 10-100x as much'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tax free bonds simply mean that it's more expensive for lower income people to hold them compared to higher income people...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the yield will drop accordingly due to the tax free status'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which means that lower income people, paying a lower marginal tax, would see a lower yield'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on the project.....most of my tax free bonds pay around 4% right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'd yield more if they were not tax free...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's just standard econs... yields will stabilise at the market rate for such bonds'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the income would then be taxed at a much higher rate, in my case'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, so the effective yield becomes higher for those facing a higher marginal tax rate, compared to those with a lower rate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would need a 6% taxable bond from a corporation to equal my govt tax free bond for an income producing community project.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah... whereas someone with a lower marginal rate would see a better yield for that 6% taxable bond'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a lot more risk with taxable bonds though, cause most of them are corporate bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most govt bonds are tax free, but there are some taxable bonds depending on the project.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so effectively, tax-free status makes it "cheaper" (more profitable) relative to those with a lower marginal tax rate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can get maybe 3% here in the UK. Shame real inflation is nearer 8%'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"real" inflation? Is this like the unskewedpolls method of calculating inflation?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on how it's measured'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some revocable tax free bond projects here in Texas are paying around 5.5%, depending on the city.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government tweaks the inflation measure from time to time to minimise it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only reason the government rates are currently low is that interest rates are low, so the figures are skewed by current mortgate rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are now able to 3d-print parts of guns, including high capacity magazine'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow it's been quiet, i guess y'all must have talked yourself hoarse this morning'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, US coal producers are ramping up production to sell coal to Europe and Asian markets since the US demand for coal is down 15% in the last 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we're stupid enough to buy it, despite having plenty of coal deposits and unemployed populace'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska is already a large supplier to coal to asian markets, the 2 coal mines in the interior are connected via rail to a coal port in Valdez, next to the oil terminal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NY state senate passes draconian gun control bills in the dead of night with members complaining they were being asked to vote on a bill they hadn't even had time to read'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty typical democrat policy these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Germans to repatriate gold bullion from New York Fed to Germany'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a move that they earlier characterized such a move as "irrational fear"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reminds me of Mars Attack: "Don't run! We're your friends!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold is back on the rise again this week after a month of settling down'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather see silver hit $100 an oz.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'federal welfare spending to go up 80% over next 10 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get some of those welfare people working on the oil and gas rigs!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't be silly'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the democrats, you can't have people work for a living!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Or, you know, on sustainable sources of power...'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil and gas is sustainable......*peer*'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'I mean by definition, neither of those resources are permanently sustainable.  Maybe your lifetime.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fitch may downgrade US credit rating'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas created 2500 new sustainable jobs last year just to maintain the wind turbines that were installed last year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Creating a sustainable job is not the same thing as harvesting a sustainable resource.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surprised the don't deliberately downgrade it in order to raise returns'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wind is not sustainable resource ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tell that to the blowhards in washington dc!'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'I'm sorry, I read your previous comment incorrectly.  Sorry, the red on black is hard for my eyes.  /swuint'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: '/squint'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh Obamaphone lady: "Darn sure won't vote for Obama again!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I agree...we need to stop spending money on that nasty dirty non sustainable wind power, and keep producing more sustainable oil and gas! :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'I think we should completely disassemble our military, and use that money instead on space, tech, and sustainable energy research.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Which would explicitly exclude anything to do with fossil fuels.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And then who would blow up innocent, brown people in other countries?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Well, I mean, you could do that if you wanted.  Just bring your assault rifles and go on vacation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, if you think never-ending growth is possible, suggest you watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF_xdvn52As'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a fantastic headline: "Horsemeat found in beef burgers"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'obama's fault, amirite?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir enthusiastically high-fives Tigernuts!
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if he minced his wife up and stuck in the burgers'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard to see how the Supremacy Clause can be considered valid in all cases when the 10th Ammendment superceded it'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the logical interpretation should be that if the feds made a law, the states could not make a law contrary to it, but also vice versa'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that doesn't appear to be how it has always been interpreted by the courts'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, basically nb4 rules?  Regardless of whether it's a state or federal law, whomever does it first rules supreme?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be my resolution of it, but that's not what the judges say'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though nowhere in the constitution does it say the president has law making powers'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can sign treaties, but they have to be ratified by 2/3 majority of the senate'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it came up because a coupel of states are submitting state laws that will make it an offence for a federal officer to enforce any gun-laws or rules that are not specifically agreed on by the state'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it then boils down to how corrupt the judiciary are in the supreme court that would judge on thuis'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the President has the power to nullify a law (essentially to not enforce it).  The logical flipside of that would be that he can interpret an existing law to allow for unintended and/or original application (essentially "making" laws).'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree, that's not a logical flipside at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an illogical leap'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nullifying a law is ignoring it, veto if ou will'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with interpretation'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've already used this process to catch entire television shows of criminals.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't follow'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to render or declare legally void or inoperative: to nullify a contract. '
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard to see how that can be construed as "interpret in any way i like"'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it looks like that, if a person of position argued that, Hans, they were making it up as they went a long and talking out of the ar$e'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which reminds me of a police officer punching a woman in the face, then charging her with assault for damaging his knuckles'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas executes more death row prisoners than all the other states combined.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, we know. The Bush set a record there when he was the gov.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should abolish the death penalty, it is stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not if you are from Texas :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am from Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and soon it will be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you there go against tradition? wtf'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are no trees in Texas, so they don't hang blacks, they chain them to the back of pickup trucks and drag them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I planted 2500 trees on my land last year......'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that will be a comfort to the blacks :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course I planted them for firewood in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the future being 2-5 years after they were planted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hybrid poplars grow really fast.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Texas, schools mostly get the same amount of money, BUT, local citizens of the school district can donate money to the schools for additional stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like to add corn bread mix to my pancake mix....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps a little wheat germ and flaxseed powder also.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I put wheat germ and ground flaxseed in my oatmeal :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The West Wing is a damn good show for a liberal propaganda program.'
T3/r7/2013-01-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I doubt anyone in RL ever talks that quickly while still being coherent'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'TNA is just as planned.  Even ECW was planned, which just infuriates the hell out of diehard fans (they somehow thing ECW was more real.)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good ol' Senator Stockwell'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least one of the Senate isn't a pussy...., shame Rand Paul is'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's hope they nail that son of a bitch with impeachment'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supremacy clause vs ammendment 10 of the constitution wrt federal gun control laws. Which wins?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Aaron Swartz [Reddit/RSS inventor] was 'killed by the government,' father tells mourners'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Parents furious after young boys suspended after playing with imaginary weapon'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Massivehugetits school principal suspected for appearing in a spoof of "The Terminator" movies'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"suspected"'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought aaron swartz killed himself because of obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably just murdered by the CIA'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is Reddit/RSS'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'shuddup Zade - soz topic - just sving time'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'graveyards are littered with the bodies of political dissidents assassinated by intelligence services'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but are you sure it wasn't obama personally?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would he when he has an institutional mafia to do it for him?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so he just gave the order?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought you did'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if he did, it wouldn't be redacted for 50 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he does personally order the assassination of americans on a kill list'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "suspected" Principal was exercising his first amendment rights when spoofing the movie'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens on a weekly basis'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is acing like a Turkish Sultan in ordering executions on whim without "due process" -- which is very Arabic'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd liken it more to East Germany, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'acTing'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has the CIA to do his dirty work, just like the Stasi, or the KGB'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Impeach him! Let's take that sucker down!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is acting as though a closet Arab Sultan in ancient Persia or a closet East German Communist (?)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's acting more like a monarch/dictator than a president'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Impeach him on what exactly? Well, you've got quite a long list to go at, though the key 2 are offensive military actions without congressional approval, and trying to unconstitutionally impose gun laws through executive dictate'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'be serious TN please'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nixon was impeached for far less'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is what was hinted by "similar to Turkish Sultan in ancient Persia" -- somebody said the White House expenses were high  '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Nixon was impeached for breaking the law and trying to circumvent Democracy, how is that much less'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we had this argument yesterday, Twyst, and you largely agreed'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I never agreed that impeachable offenses were being performed'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they are'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i agreed that the rules were being bent, but qualified by saying it happens all the time and has happened long before Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the due process is not being followed, then it is being subverted'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'first though, impeach G W Bush for war crimes against humanity'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GW has to take his fair share of responsibility, but he isn't in power right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'conveniently'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so wait till 2017'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly why is it so hard to follow procedure? Why could he not have gone to Congress to approve military action in Libya'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he wants to restrict guns, table an ammendment to the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then congress might think they are relevant or something!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should anyone in America follow the laws when the president won't?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'instead of a curious freak show..'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he hasn't written any laws or made any to that effect'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all of these things are innuendo from the right and the lunatic fringe'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts is living in his own personal reality distortion field'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop gaslamping, Dagnir, if you want to take exception to something I have said, then point it out and point out why'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we can't impeach him for illegally banning guns when it hasn't happened yet, all I'm saying'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've tried. no use'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gaslighting, even'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you haven't, you're worse than Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has nothing to say :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't know how to reply to the accusation of being "worse than yuna"'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN for all I know you may be a principled person and believe everything that you say'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you must admit the bar has been raised to dizzying heights for Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he does believe everything he says. that's the problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe that the president should not be taking military action without the blessing of congress. If our prime minister took military action without the say so of parliament, there'd be a huge outcry'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how it works is that you come out with some insane claims and conspiracy theories without backing them up and i just call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US's military action in Libya is conspiracy theory, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you never present any proof, you just rant how obama is the second coming of hitler'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly who is living in an unreality bubble?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, what about libya?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, so you know of it's existence, i'm glad THAT isn't a conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, what about it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama ordered military intervention without consulting or getting the blessing of Congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, sure, he failed to put troops there for the next decade. what else?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not the first time in history'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it proves my point'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it does not'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no previous president has been impeached for this, so why is it a big deal?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is obviously the status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just it, it's not the status quo'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, but what's the problem?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it would be hypocritical to throw the book at Obama out of principle, when it has never been the hard rule before'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'afaik no-one had a problem with him bombing libya. except for the republicans of course'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is required to get the go ahead from congress. When Secretary General Panetta was called to congress to account for this,  he claimed that Nato and the UN gave them legal authorisation. he was factually and legally incorrect'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you accuse him of being hitler and now you're picking on some shitty technicality?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he could be impeached for this, and should be'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he could be but won't be'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'please source your claims'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's something you never do'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a president take unilateral action beyond his station, then that is dictatorial by definition'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'source of which claim?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because he could say president's a-z all did this, and they weren't impeached'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'any'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WHICH'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN it has happened before, do you dispute this?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give me an example, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'general lying'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Gaddafi was unpopular and incompetent '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUJjXDjFYNo'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'The War Powers Resolution was disregarded by President Reagan in 1981 by sending military forces to El Salvador and later the Contras in Nicaragua, by President Clinton in 1999, during the bombing campaign in Kosovo'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, and source the claim that he was lying please'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is popular and incompetent'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Zade what did that add to the discussion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? it's not a claim, it's not within his powers as president'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is made clear within the clip'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is seeking blood'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I gave you examples TN, no one was foaming at the mouths for their impeachment with respect to disregarding the War Powers Resolution'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which btw was enacted in 1973'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not exactly founding father material here'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in either of those situations, did clinton/reagan ask congress permission?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'definitely not Reagan vis a vis contra because he was colloborating with terrorrists behind the scene'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'while publicly claiming the us does not deal with terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then he should have been impeached'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but saint Ronnie is the gold standard if you ask any repub'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its all hypocrasy, I agree with you in principle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you have to go by the general standard'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you do not'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you go by principle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in ALL situations'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or none at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'picking and choosing makes you a hypocrite'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who's picking and choosing?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they go by prior precedents'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'exactly, the repubs who are foaming at the mouth about this are hypocrites'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the faux independents as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'prior presidential precedents'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'those are just the ones too ashamed to claim republican leanings'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the case of el-salvador, they were aiding the government of el-salvador'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and the faux Libertarians'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama was aiding the people of Libya'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he wasn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have you ever met any Libyans? there is a reason Gaddafi was Gaddafi'ed'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was aiding a coalition of some Libyans, and armed jihadist groups allied with al-quaeda, the same group having been armed by Nato in Libya are now attacking Mali'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as they are aiding a minority of Syrian allied with jihadist militant groups allied with al-qaueda in Syria'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, so he's been following the traditional US foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's in the job description - fuck things up'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because they've always fucked things up doesn't make it right'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist and a liar. you're a hypocrit'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but it makes it wrong to set an example with Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it makes people wonder if you have ulterior motives'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you are'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should set an example with EVERYONE'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'try saying anything good about obama. any credit at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would you like to give him credit -for-, exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's evading the question'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what has he done that is creditworthy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anything. for what ever reason you think it would be justified'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he was asking you'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if you can't find any, just say so'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm struggling to think of anything, the only thing I can even think of vaguely positive is that he has taken a less confrontational stance towards Iran, but even this is largely window dressing - he has supported sanctions behind the scenes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or is obama the worst president ever? nixon was a saint compared to him etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts (the closet Republican) is willing to criticise the Republicans when legal prosecutorial action is no longer possible'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GW Bush still wins on outright damage done, but Obama won't be long in catching up'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back to your cave, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the only way Obama could come close to Bush or even exceed, would be to actively destroy the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Bush was an unmitigated disaster'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unquestionably so'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his father wasn't exactly great, either'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I bet 80% of the Independents in the last election actually voted for him though'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find 80% of independants didn't vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, i'm not a huge fan of obama, but compared to his opponents? would you rather see mccain or romney as president?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather see neither'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that isn't an option though unfortunately'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes it is'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in what universe'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only not an option because people like you claim it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many votes did Obama and Romney get combined?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who could have taken those votes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'instead?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of the inertia of such beliefs it has to get pretty bad before people are desperate enough to change their mindset, but it does happen.... eventually'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't recall without looking it up, twyst, turnout was what, 55%?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Obama got the most votes a presidential candidate has ever gotten in the history of the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's not inertia, it is insurmountable'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'more than nixon '72?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could that just be because the population is rising?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes the population is rising'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then it's a pretty fuckwitted thing to say'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not if you think it through'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? he got, what, 53% of the popular vote? 57%?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for someone else to win they would have to convince a plurality of the US voting public that voting for a third party candidate isn't a waste of their vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '51.06%'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not even remotely high, not even in the top 10'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm talking absolute numbers not percentages'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the absolute numbers aren't relevent by themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why would the absolute number matter more than the percentage?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the absolute number will rise by necessity as the population rises.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you're missing the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'my contention is that a third party could have been viable in the early goings when population was smaller especially voting population'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but now it is nearly impossible'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to put it into perspective, that's barely 0.4% more than GW Bush in 2004'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you do realize of course that he could have gotten more'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but realized it was smarter to focus on electoral votes than popular vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the way the USA was set up originally was such that it didn't matter the size of the population, it was local state elections where the major power base was'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm sure he could have convinced a couple million more people in CA or NY to vote for him but why bother?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a third party could still be viable if most of the states split their electoral votes instead of winner-take-all. *grumble*'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that too Majic'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but US doesn't do coalition government'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they set up the system deliberately to prevent it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so no third parties unless they can be established overnight'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess what? they game the system for their own benefit. what a fucking surprise'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so me pointing out the rules should be accepted as how it is right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and not how you want it to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so why are you giving me grief about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in terms of a third party '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or parties'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we should accept that the system is corrupt and broken because it's corrupt and broken, well there's a pragmatic argument if ever i've heard one'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's shit, live with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's essentially what you're saying, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm saying you have to see it for what it is'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you may not like Obama and many don't, but for most he was better than the alternatives'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you not think i don't see it for what it is? When you point it out, you get people like Dagnir accusing you of being a conspiracy theorist'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is exactly as bad as the mainstream alternatives that you are restricting us to'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would disagree with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and so would 50.6% was it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '51.6'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a winning margin of 3.85%'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or over 100 electoral votes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they only got 2 more corners than the other team, but won by 5 goals'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'close match wouldn't you say?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a dreadful analogy. Team A can have been the stronger team all the way through and played the best football, had the most chances, and still lose'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'replace corners with shots on goal and its a perfect analogy'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well of COURSE the A Team was stronger!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Norwich beat Manchester United 1-0 when they last visited. You trying to tell me Norwich are the stronger team?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '1-0 is a close match'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if Norwich won overwhelminly than yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a good analogy at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at least on that particular day'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN, where was all the advertising and campaigning done?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you were an Obama supporter living in California, would you really take time out of your day to vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'when the State is already a lock?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've already pointed out that the system is gamed, Twyst, it works both way'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I was living in Louisiana at the time of the election'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why would I vote for Obama when there is next to zero chance of him carrying the state'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just some examples'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is one reason turnout in the US is so bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you trying to preach to the choir? We all know the system is screwed, from the electoral college to the money'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have the same problem in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ask any repub, if everyone in the US voted, they would never hold office again'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which is why they tried to suppress turnout'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are electoral colleges loosely based around population?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'very much arguable -- they'd still carry the largely rural states'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then your argument is fundamentally flawed'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the largely rural states have smaller populations '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but while they're based on population, lighter-population has greater electoral percentage comparatively'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because there's minimums'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, the remarks on the pointlessness of voting for obama in republican states carries equally well for republicans in blue states. For example, voting for anyone but Obama in Illinois last election :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no justification really for the existance of electoral colleges in presidential campaigns'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm just using that for illustration purposes, of course the reverse is true as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so getting a bunch of small states actually yields more benefit than getting the californias, in terms of absolute votes needed'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'founding fathers, the geniuses of yore put it there'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also laid out specifically the limitations of each branch of government'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has never executed someone on the sabbath....'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is being totally screwed for the last 40 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just more rapidly now'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If there are only two candidates, their winning chances aren't relevant when deciding who to vote for :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'come again Tinada?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'maybe relevant for whether you can be bothered to vote at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Clinton won his elections with larger margins than Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If there are only two candidates, there is no room for tactical voting, I'll vote for the best (least bad) candidate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if there are 17 candidates I might vote for the 3rd best to avoid the 12th best winning'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Okay'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that goes a long way to explain why you end up with such crap in charge, Tinada, you should vote for who you believe in'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote with your principle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I do that. We, however, have a proportional system, so it doesn't make sense to vote for 2nd best anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'voter turnout btw was higher in the last 3 elections than most of the previous 30 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kinda suggests the voter depression thing is bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because Obama had the best turnout machine in history'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did GW Bush?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Karl Rove wasn't too shabby himself'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'really good at turning out evangelecals and the like'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're suggesting Obama had the best turnout machine in history, and the turnout was the same as in other elections when the winners were republicans, then it suggests that real Obama support is lower than democrat historically, again puts into doubt your argument that there are more democrats than republicans overall'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'us voter turnouts are complicated by the ridiculous registration layer'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have to dynamically score for context'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also voter registration'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Tinada, the "let's get illegals voting" registration'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'do you measure % of registered voters, total eligible voters, or total votes cast? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'my voter registration was denied in LA, although my buddies was accepted no questions asked'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'helps both sides maintain the corrupt quo by having these crazy voting regulations and electronic voting machines'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm sure they went by my name and thought, can't be american'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'My point was that if you are a citizen (and haven't done any suitably ghastly crimes), you shouldn't have to register in order to vote.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all very well, tinada, but how do you know then if someone is eligible to vote or not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how do you check if they are a citizen and haven't done these crimes without registration?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK you are on an electoral role, and your name gets crossed out when you turn up to vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'same in many places here'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'votes are counted locally and in front of tv audiences with people from all sides involved in the counting'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You have a database that keeps track of your citizens and where their residence is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's very difficult to fudge the results - only happens where postal voting is allowed'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which ironically is good for voting, but bad for guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, not a lot of crimes should be relevant for whether you get to vote, imo.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'catalytic converter, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm against the UK establishment here, i think prisoners should get the vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'switch the polarity and cut the red wire first!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'er..reverse the polarity!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gotta go back to work now. I'm glad we've established that anyone who takes a principled stance is a kook and a conspiracy theorist and a liar, whereby proper people allow corruption and bad things to happen and accept it because they've always happened'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'mischaracterizing my position and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a lessez-faire attitude'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you take a principled stance, you can't start willy nilly'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its a cop out to say yeah that guy was bad, but he is no longer in power'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm pretty sure you can't impeach someone who isn't in office, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find i said GW Bush should be held to account, that's not willy nilly, that's just understanding what the process is'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'still a cop out'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just shout LIAR, it would be better'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'GW, Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't do personal attacks in debates, it weakens your point'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, complain about Obama in 2017'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather complain as we go along'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll complain about my own government if you like (which if you hadn't gathered, is centre-right) but it'd be meaningless to you'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well I'll be sure to remind you in 2017 when the next one comes along and does the exact same things'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, which brings you neatly back to the point i mentioned before'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never vote for the lesser of two evils'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'dif Tigernuts complain about G W Bush between 2000 and 2008, or remain silent, or even praise G W Bush'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, zade, i did complain'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as i complained about Tony Blair 1995-2007'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vote for the greater evil?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hmm. we can find out. let me grep abe's logs'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he sure did. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Looks like no one in Norway has lost the right to vote due to a crime since shortly after ww2'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bleh. abe's logs start from 2009'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the danger with grep is that you don't get context'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts prods Seltsimees Dagnir into action!
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'grep -c for context I think'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir snickers with Swalec about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was me thinking grep was a damtype'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, and the debate doesn't start until november 2010, I didn't have the chan turned on'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You wave.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): What is Seltsimees Dagnir yelling about, you were just trying to be friendly :/
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'or, perhaps, there was no debate before that'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's not a lot of debate even now, Swalec'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'shall we have a pointless, never ending argument about that proposition'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts on debate is a new thing tho. he used to troll on tech'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well like I said TN, you might be a principled guy, but a lot of the people bellyaching now, didn't mind before and vice versa'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Seltsimees Dagnir person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed, twyst, but you can't knock down a principled stance purely on the basis that it might benefit someone's vested interest'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just banal'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every time in the Uk they change a tax or a welfare payment, someone comes up and says "but X loses out", or "Y gains and not X".... it's like.... if nothing changed, the change would be pointless'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its true, but you'll have to excuse me for being cynical'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 10'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only -6 here'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-11 last night :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hello debate channel!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'off'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So I just read that the states of Texas and Wyoming are trying to push state legislation that would make it illegal in those states for any federal agency to enforce any federal gun bans or regulations that are not thse state laws. The bills would allow state authorities to arrest federal agents attempting any sort of federal gun grab activity. Punishable by up to a $50,000 fine and up to five years in prison. I hope my state follows this trend as well. States rights FTW.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supremacy clause vs 10th ammendment, will make an interesting legal tussle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Well if Texas felt like starting a war of succession, arresting federal agents might be one way to go about it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Carso: 'Sorry, seccession.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't need to be a war, being able to leave was a pre-condition for them signing up to the union'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if US were to start aggression, the UN would be honour bound to intervene on Texas' behalf'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'THAT would be a spectacle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'm pretty sure the idea of the Fed being the lord of state authority as sort of social propaganda. If local police are investigating a murder for example and the FBI wants to take over. The police have every right to tell the FBI to fuck off. This is not usually what happens however. Police are conditioned to worship federal agencies like they are the gods of law enforcement.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So anyways, Obama is supposed to lay down his gun regulation ideas this morning. What are all of your thoughts and expectations from this?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you would always expect from Obama, overstepping his authority to impose authoritarian measure that try and fail to address a problem that doesn't exist, but does further restrict people's freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he will probably ban all guns including water pistols, as the first step to instituting a life long dictatorship in the US :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Bingo! First point goes to Tigernuts. Twyst you are wrong on the waterpistol point as Obama is big on alternative energy sources such as hydro power. You'd have a better argument against marshmallow guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a poll of American Meteorologists, only 19% thought global warming was man made'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the solution is to make climate denial a hate crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently Al Gore's media engine has already suggested that'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm not kidding, either'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah I seen that Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like the anti-gun lobby saying anyone who doesn't agree with strict gun controls is a KKK member'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I love how they are blaming the recent natural disasters on "climate change" and if we pay carbon taxes to Al Gore we'll get less hurricanes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We already have less hurricanes.....there hasnt been a cat5 since 2005.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The globalist agenda doesnt care about facts like that Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone with half a brain knows that most hurricanes begin off the western coast of Africa from high sand concentration in the air caused by sandstorms....you have less sandstorms in western africa, you get less powerful hurricanes in the atlantic.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'George Soros, the Moriarty of modern politics'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the hot water of the caribbean just fuels the storm that is created from African sandstorms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Actually Riz I think you have it backwards'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Sandstorms might, and I emphasize might depress hurricanes not cause them'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you might say....*puts on sunglasses* he got his facts...."twysted" Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'here are some kids, look how ethnically diverse they are!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am going to give my play by play of Obama's speech as it happens. If you have a problem with realness, I am warning you that I am full of it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has he really surrounded himself with kids?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Happy and safe everyone, that's what he wants. Obamacare(tm)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how sick is that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'kids make excellent human shields'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'if your a good sniper, no it dont'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'really I understand news pundits pimping out the victims, but the goverment doing it and the constant use of the word "saftey" is a really bad sign. Let's count how many times he uses the word safey over freedom folks...it'll be very telling of the agenda here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has mastered propaganda, spin, and media manipulation, it would seem'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'if you look at history. every major dictator enforced gun control. Hitler, Stalin, etc...'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we know, Bas, aside from Dagnir and Twyst, you're preaching to the choir'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bollocs. hitler had the most liberal gun laws after wwi'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'well the news media had completely screwed up the "image" of our "leaders" it dont matter what they say, they are all right. so whats the point of watching?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, nice godwin'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah, until the ummm GENOCIDE started Dagnir...'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler loved the jews, Dagnir, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'haha, sry. i just turned the channel on so i jumped in the middle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought you were talking about gun control and the hitler argument is a fallacy'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Not a fallicy Dagnir, just not as poweful an argument as it is made out. But it is still a point nonetheless because the Jews were disarmed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lies'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i thought hitler took guns from the jews'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '1) it's not true 2) godwin. you lose the agument'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'prove its not true. i am pretty sure i have read that multiple times.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dagnir, stop misleading people, when they refer to genocide in Germany they refer to jews. Jews were not allowed firearms because they were not considered citizens, even if born in Germany'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and yeah, i've heard it from crazy people on us media'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't have to prove the negative'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if you are going to cry foul, at least get it straight'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'history tells us that the victors write our history for us. no matter how distorted it is......'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Also I believe the right and left are in on this all. Now instead of just gun regulations we're gonna get databases of all gun owners and mental health patients. We are gonna get a double whammy here. Mag limits are bullshit mag limits are bullshit!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mag limits are irrelevent, you can now 3d-print magazines, so who cares if you can't buy them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i see you're all excellent demagogues here. please continue'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, Dagnir, did we catch you out?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol, nuts. that's also not true'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Then what's the answer to this gun "crisis" in the U.S.?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's not true?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I seen that Tiger, it's quite expensive though but at least is something.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, it's not. do you have access to a 3d printer that could do that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hunting and Sport? THAT IS NOT WHAT THE D IS ABOUT! Obama you lying awful dumbfuck!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally? no, could i get access to one? yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'all i see you doing Dagnir is disagreeing with everything but giving zero argument that backs it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '2nd'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could i buy one? yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if yes, then please tell me where and what's the printer model that can 3d print steel'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do i have access to the pattern to print? yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not steel, it's plastic'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: '3d printers have dropped alot in price the past few years and they will become even cheaper and better as time goes on.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'answer to 3d printer. its called a CNC machine!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'high tensile resin'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'basdoro, you should back your claims with something. i don't have to prove the negative when i call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Are you guys watching this? This is some hardass lying propaganda train we got going here!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Snooky.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not watching it, can't get access to it, but kinda knew what to expect'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'you could use a plastic mag. how long it will last is the question. but if you only need to use it once the material really doesnt matter'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'quick lesson. with a 3D CNC machine you can make almost anything with any kind of material.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyway, i'll give you a point if you source the "lol hitler took away people's guns" claim'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and "i heard it on fox news" does not count'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'with a cnc machine definately. but they are much more expensive than a 3d printer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Dagnir are you agreeing with me about Obama's speech? Because thats what I was talking about'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'semantics, Dagnir, "Hitler prevented the Jews from having guns"'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'buh? that's completely irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there are many things the jews were denied'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'BUT the materials coming from cnc can and will last longer if using better than say composite materials'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's entirely revelent'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: '11 November 1938'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'Jews (§5 of the First Regulations of the German Citizenship Law of 14 November 1935, Reichsgesetzblatt I, p. 1333) are prohibited from acquiring, possessing, and carrying firearms and ammunition, as well as truncheons or stabbing weapons.  Those now possessing weapons and ammunition are at once to turn them over to the local police authority. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts goes, 'Seltsimees Dagnir just got PWNED!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'Whoever willfully or negligently violates the provisions of §1 will be punished with imprisonment and a fine.  In especially severe cases of deliberate violations, the punishment is imprisonment in a penitentiary for up to five years. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'Firearms and ammunition found in a Jew's possession will be forfeited to the government without compensation. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm 1935, now, who was in power in 1935?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after 3 folks'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'This regulation is valid in the state of Austria and in the Sudeten-German districts.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so what? it applied to jews'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and jews didn't get massacred at all, dagnir, right? the whole holocaust thing was a fraud'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i fail to see how that was an argument. unless you think obama is hitler and nra members are the jews'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'btw, don't lecture me about genocide'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so change the argument now? it was claimed that dictators disarm the people they want to dispose of and Hitler and Jews was given as an example'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'correction. the government is hitler and the people of america are jews'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and here we go with more victim pimpin from obama, sprinkled all throught the propaganda.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, but that argument is irrelevant in the us gun control debate context'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russian communists and the tzar supports, Mao zedong, Phillipines coupe, Fidel Castro'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, now it's irrelevent in the US gun control debate? some serious backpedalling going on now'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how is that relevant?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm surprised you don't just shout "You're all shit!" and walk off'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'are you afraid that the obama administration is planning a genocide any time soon?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'how is irrelevent? r u saying the us cant have the same problems these other contries in history have had?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think at this point "victimisation" would be a more pragmatic term than genocide'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'BOOM and TIgernuts was about to score...that is until Dagnir moved his gaolposts'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ergheiz: 'no. almost the entire world will nuke us if that happened'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i am not saying obama is doing the same. i am saying that it opens the door'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Aaaaaaaaand he is signing an excutive order now....great good going you liberal dingus' you have protected no one with this.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is already in the army training documents that "Returning veterans, constitutionalists, and libertarians" are the terrorist threat going forward, not Islamists'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? let's have a think'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe because there are some seriously fucking crazy militias popping up'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only "fucking crazy militias" that have popped up are federal antagonists'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Maybe dagnir that is because we have some seriously fuckin crazy government right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'The cult of personality following Obama is the craziest militia we've seen in ages.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a standing joke that there are more FBI plants in the KKK than Klan members'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how about st reagan, daain?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Who else was loved and adored as a cult of personality as well? Hmmmmm he had a tiny moustache I know that...cant remember his name...'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a standard tactic: Get a mentally ill patsy with a low IQ, arm him up, then get him to blow shit up/shoot people. Blame it on the target group for victimisation'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Chaplin?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you do know that a godwin makes you lose the argument?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Reagan was actually great...his economic and governing principles were very sound.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah thats it Tinada! It's always the silent ones that are the most deadly...'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds like a description of Bush, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Its a bad postion we're in when the only thing between freedom and bullshit is Republicans and congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'I agree that the Hitler argument is a bit overused, but merely saying that any reference to it is a Godwin, and an autoloss of an argument is lazy thinking, and precisely the sort of thing that will lead to us failing to learn from the past.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler is used as an example because it's the most well known, even though the Mae Zedong and the Communist revolution in Russia both killed more people'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i wouldnt be surprised if a mini civil war or partial collapse of the ud government happens in the next 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'us*'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'any reference to it IS a godwin'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'As did Mussolini, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many did Mussolini wipe out?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at Daain's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does he even make the high score chart?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Roughly somewhere between a buttload and a fuckton.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'high score chart? that is messed up'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'source that claim, please'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Dagnir, give it up man people have brought proof and called your BS. You can't just move the goalposts. It's up to you to bring a proper rubutal and a source now. You got served up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'mussolini was about 300k'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah, amateru'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amateur, even'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Yeah, 300k is nothing, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'Mao De-Dong was 78M, wow'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'hitler is #2 with 12M'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '220k by mussolini'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'stalin got around 70-80m'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and mao should have more'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how many american indians did the US military eradicate ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'the website i am looking at says 6M for Stalin. that seems low to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Anyway, Dagnir, if you're going to claim that any reference to Hitler is a Godwin, which I don't disagree with, but that that constitutes an auto-loss, then you're simply conceding that you're unwilling to accept any counterargument, and it's pointless to include you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How many people did the khmer rouge kill in thailand ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'rules of the internet, daain'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Don't be ridiculous. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'seriously - if you come out with a godwin, then fuck you'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2m riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'I didn't come out with one. I'm merely pointing out that it's just stupid to try to be all "Ohhh, Godwin's Law, U R teh lose!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he said 'gay'! uhhhhhmeeee! i'm tellin'!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '1) it's not a valid argument 2) it wasn't about general public and doesn't compare to the current us situation in any way'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'It's an important part of history, and has some extremely critical paralells to today, and if people aren't willing to examine that due to some stupid "rule of the internet," then we should just brace ourselves for a repeat of history.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'except for the word "guns", i guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1) it's been proven a valid argument, and 2) that's your opinion'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'the only way you dont repeat the past is to learn from it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i have family members who have lived through nazi and soviet occupations. i also have some who didn't survive. gun control wasn't a factor there'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'through the occupation, yes, what about before?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and the current situation in the us isn't anything like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'My parents died in the holocaust as well dagnir:('
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'That's a disingenous argument..."I'm right because my family was there."'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we had our own holocaust here. lost about 20% of the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Fact of the matter is, gun control or not, there's more than one form of government oppression, but all roads lead to Rome.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the argument is that you don't know the fuck you're talking about'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if gun control doesn't matter, then there is no need to confiscate them'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'I'd say you're making it quite clear you have zero clue what YOU'RE blabbering on about, so, we're back to square one. Neither side agrees with the other.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it does matter. sane gun control matters. at least it works here'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'would be very easy for me to get a legal firearm here, but people don't shoot each other all the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be almost impossible for me, yet we have the highest violent crime rate in europe'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What's sad is we all conceded to the first part of Dagnir's godwin claim. And yet he is still acting like a blowhard. Bad form Dagnir. you could have quit when you seemed ahead for a second.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's what i said - sane and enforceable gun control'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'You need to do some reading Dagnir. The past couple hundred years every genocide and issue started with tighter government control on weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you aren't going to get sane and enforceable gun control in the USA because that's not Obama's agenda'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Define "sane and enforceable." That term will have different meanings to different people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's not exactly the opponents agenda either'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dunno. here you need a permit for a gun, get evaluated and get safety training. also need a safe for the said gun and can't own automatic weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i put forward a plan for gun owner licensing yesterday'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was very similar to that, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so what the fuck is the problem?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama's nutjobs is the problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'It's not just Obama, it's the entire government.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'thats fine, I am under the understanding that licenseing is not the same as registration correct tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'The US government has gone to shit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Guns aren't really the problem at all. It's an old and tired phrase, but "guns don't kill people, etc, etc, etc."'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'all i hear is rednecks crying that a nigger is going take their guns away'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're obessed with having a system that neither deals with the issue, they're obsessed with confiscating all firearms and making everyone register everything with no judicial oversight, in direct contravention of the second ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, snooky'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Honestly, I HATE guns. I have never wanted one in my life until I started fearing that the government might take away my ability to own one. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Dagnir(tm) If you can't beat em. Take it to race pimping!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'snooky, go fuck yourself'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i understand that that wasn't a proper argument, but hey, it's snooky'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could have had a country-wide system of gun owner licensing - a gun owner license like a car driving license that had your entitlements on it (single shot, semi auto, conceal carry, vehicle carry, open carry, trader)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I allready am Dagnir, at the sight if you getting slaughtered:P'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could have it updated every year. tehy could have MD's and judges suspend the license'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could mandaet that to get a license you need training and need to have proved to a local official that you have the appropriate secure storage'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Nothing you have brought forth has been a proper argument but hey, it's Dagnir.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'besides, you have the 2nd fucking amendment. i'm pretty sure they're not going to remove it from the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what good is the 2nd ammendment if they IGNORE it and legislate anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'If Uncle Barry has his way...and no, that isn't hyperbole. He doesn't give half a damn about the constitution if it disagrees with his agenda.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'my biggest concern with gun control is that the people that want to do something malicious with them can get ahold of whatever they need. It reduces the general public s ability to defend themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i dont care if you have to go through 10 layers of red tape to own one'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'That is your biggest concern?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the elephant in the room is that 'assault-style rifles' are responsible for so few gun deaths that it's laughable to make this deal out of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'preventing mentally ill people on SSRi's from getting guns is where you'll get the biggest impact, and there is already stuff in place for that, it's just not working properly'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's something else going on. we have shitload of rifles, but we're not blowing each other away'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, some people are, but it's usually some rednecks getting shitfaced and arguing until someone goes and gets a sawn-off'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a sawn-off is not affected by any of the changes being touted'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you don't get shot or stabbed on a street here. much better chances of winning a lottery'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'where do u live dagnir?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'estonia'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's not rednecks either, the vast majority of gun homicides in america are to do with the war on the border, gang warfare due to the drugs situation, and suicides'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's >90% of your guns deaths'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Wait...Dagnir that is where Encino man was from!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you could make suicide illegal.... that'll help'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Tiger what do you propose is done to stop someone from walking into a school or mall or parade and gunning down groups of people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'look at the population comparison Dagnir. Estonia 1.3M, USA 320M'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allowing others to be armed, Dresory'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Ah yes, so lets have a wild wild west'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh. iirc there was some place where suicide was illegal. unsuccessful suicide was punished with a death sentence'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'because if someone pulled out a gun in a parade and everyone else pulled out their guns and started shooting, that would be much more productive'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it means 1 or 2 dead not 20'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'you don't know that'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been shown over and over'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dresory has a point'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'parade shootouts?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'malls, mainly'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i just found a scary number. Estonia 2.84 gun deaths per 100k population, US 10.3 gun deaths per 100k population. that isnt good'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your US figure is out of date, Bas'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'So, gun control laws will prevent people from...breaking the law? Wait one sec. I'm having a seriously bad case of cognative dissonance here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2011 is 2.99'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun murders, not gun deaths'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'it was a 2009 figure'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'the numbers i found were combining murders and deaths'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Answer me this, what criminal is going to listen to the law? If gun laws go into effect what criminal do you know will heed to those laws? Daain has a very good point.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Exactly. If a "bad guy" wants a gun to do "bad stuff"...well, they're going to get a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'that is what i said earlier.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'People will get their hands on guns regardless just like illegal drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to do something about gun deaths, do something about the overprescription of SSRi's, do something about mental health, end the war on drugs which should help sort out the border and the gang problem, and deal with inner city poverty'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dealing with the problem by making tighter gun laws is like dealing with car deaths by making it more difficult to buy a car'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'good comparison'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know! let's limit everyone to 10 gallons fill up at a time!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but breathalizer tests help road safety'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'People need to wake up in the US and realize what the government is trying to do. Unless the US people stand up to the government and say "No we're not letting you take away our rights" etc then shit like this will continue to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've helped reduce drink driving, they haven't affected road safety'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'less drunk drivers doesn't make the roads safer?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'People don't understand it's called WE the people for a reason not GOVERMENT the people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Lyrikai, I agree with you, but the problem is that the government "promises" to make people's lives easier...and people are lazy. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard to tell, dagnir, any affect has been swamped by safer cars, better roads, and far higher levels of traffic'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Agreed Daain and not enough information is being put out there.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hard to tell? really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Again, it's a worn out saying, but the government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the support of Paul.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all you can prove is that the number of drink-drive related deaths has gone down'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the number of drink-drivers has gone down'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you don't see a correlation there?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correlation is not causation. It's a reasonable hypothesis, i'll grant you, but it's not provable'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Crap, I had a frat brother in college who had to get a breathalyzer in his car. It had VERY little impact on his behavior, unfortunately.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or are you arguing that road safety is constant and drunk drivers don't matter?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'That's anecdotal, obviously, but still.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'A revolution will happen, Daain. Just depends on when the people will realize that they can take charge.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i think stricter drinking and driving penalties has vurbed it more that breathalizers'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'curbed*'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'And when it happens you can bet i'll be signing up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't take issue with breathalysers, i do take issue with them stopping random people without due cause and forcing them to take a test'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Unfortunately, I fear you're right. I loathe violence and conflict, so I dread it, but I also can't abide by a loss of freedoms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'there are other reasons. here in my city there is a taxi company that will give a 50% discount to drunk passengers. that has helped alot around here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lyrikai nods at Daain.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'I just hope it happens before the goverment starts wiping out mass amounts of people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at Lyrikai's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'you have the right to den a breathalyser test'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'I pray it never comes to that. The idea of American genocide is absolutely unimaginable to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'deny* wow i cant type today'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If I lived in the US, I would be more worried about the loss of right from the patriot act, than from gun control. But maybe that's just me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the UK, Bas, and not in most US states'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and no-one seems to be bothered by the 4th'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Hell, the idea of the downturn of US hegemony is shocking, but it's still happening.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Ranrr, if they take our guns away, how will we defend ourselves?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'really, i thought it was a federal us law. that sucks in the uk'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but hypothetical paranoid fear over the 2nd? go apeshit!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Eh... like any other people in any other country.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Okay how?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Basdoro: 'i always forget not everyone in this game is from the US. sry if most of my ideas come from that angle'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'You're unarmed and a bunch of militants storm into your house and say you're under arrest. There's no guns anywhere yet they are fully armed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'However you want.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what does "taking our guns away" mean in the first place?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that sounds fucking paranoid'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'It would start slowly Dagnir, they would make gun laws to limit magazines and assault weapons. Then once assault weapons are gone they could easily ban pistols and hunting rifles etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If gun control was a problem, it would not be the norm.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so it's a long-term plan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and what's the goal?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Lol the goal is the government wants complete control over the american people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'are you afraid that president blacky mcblackman is coming to your home and cap your honkey ass?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'No, i'm not saying that will happen with just one presidential term.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'And it's not the president you have to worry about.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I fail to see how guns can protect you from government.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Dagnir has a salient point, Lyrikai. Because the current inhabitant of the White House has a different color of skin from you, supposedly, you aren't allowed to worry about the government.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The goal of any big unchecked government is to have as much control over its people as possible. Dagnir seems like he is conditioned to be a subservient to his government masters. If you were an American you would understand how much of a big deal and how much of a concern this is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Daain, I am not worried about the president himself he's the least of my worries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'It was sarcasm. I'm in your corner. I think the argument that people don't like Obama because he's black is just ridiculous. Who cares about what color his skin is? Aren't we allowed to dislike his policies?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sure you are'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Then how come you keep making references to racism anytime we disagree with what he's pushing?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTjRCI6D1Jc'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'When did I say anything about racism? Lol. I don't care if our president is black or not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'I'm talking to Dagnir, Lyrikai. He said we're "afraid that president blacky mcblackman, etc, etc, etc."'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'Oooh'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'I don't even think Dagnir knows what he's talking about to be honest.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'My point is that skin color doesn't matter. I couldn't care less if our president was black, white, lavender or leprachuan. I'm going to agree or disagree with him based on his policies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't. we have, like, 10 black guys here'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lyrikai grins at Daain.
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lyrikai: 'I'm glad we both agree then, Daain.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chia Pet Wars: 'I wonder what a leprachuan's policies would be like. '
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'Lucky Charms for everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'And I have to kick myself. I misspelled leprechaun and it's been bugging me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chia Pet Wars: 'oh well I copied your spelling of it cus I suck at spelling. also capatolizing and often punctuation'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daain: 'I'm typically fairly good in those areas, which is why I've been bugged by it since I made the mistake. Think I got it right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all done now?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You see, this is what happens when a big company lays off its workers and contracts out the work to build jets to subcontracters....The boeing 787 is a lemon. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'massivehugetits governor proposing massive tax hikes. nebraska goernor proposes ending state income tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Guys check your gun safes. Because all of mine seem to be GONE!'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I dunno, I missed the ass end of the gun debate chain. Did Dragnir make an epic comeback?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an attack by islamist militants on a gas facility in eastern algeria leaves 2 dead and 20 hostages'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure he'd have wanted me to call you a liar and a conpisracy theoriest though'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perversion of childrens' sexuality'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'hell yeah it was o_O'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you made me scroll up to try to find the context of that -_-'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, could be anything, couldn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'For some weird reason the Disney channel came to mind. I don't let my kids watch that crap. I swear every fuckin show is either trying to make 5 to 8 year olds want to dry hump each other or start thinking about gay, lesbian or Bisexual lifestyles. Don't quote me on that:P'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if i find a mistake in last year's tax return and it's in my favor am i morally or otherwise obligated to fix it and pay those taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'let's also say it was candidly a good faith mistake'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if fixing the mistake means you will owe the IRS, then I would attempt to refile.  They won't exactly jump fast on a recent mistake, but if you were to get audited later this one little mistake could turn into a big, ugly one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'well then it's a simple cost benefit expected value analysis, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what are the odds they 1.  audit and 2. catch this mistake over 3 or 5 years or whatever the period is'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'is it you? We all hope pretty good then.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '#2 will be practically guaranteed.  #1, not so much (provided you generally stay out of trouble).'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'the chances of being audited stand out if anything life changing happens tho, ie purchasing a home, large increase in income, inheritance, stock sales, anything out of the ordinary from your recent history.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'keep in mind that the IRS has a pretty large tab it's been rather lax on collecting, and they've been increasing collection efforts.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i actually don't think the IRS would catch this'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you sure it's a mistake, then?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'contributing property to a partnership which fails the diversification test so the partnership basis is the value on date of contribution, not legacy value'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the built-in gain is taxable to me, but unless ir eport it the IRS would never see it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unless you're handling the paperwork on both sides, the IRS is going to find a record.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the pship would never report it, and the broker doesn't see it in their 1099s as a sale (the stock were just xfered out of the account)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i doubt i would get audited because i don't claim m any deductions and my taxes pad as % of AGI is high'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '400k in tax is in the balance.  I'm leaning towards not amending.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the IRS will not let a difference of 400k go.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I don't think they would ever see the income, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there is no record'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and if your taxes are that high to begin with, you are damn fool to be doing them yourself.  Get the accountant involved.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I buy stocks for 100, now worth 200.  contribute them to a partnership for 200 pship interest, but pship allocates income from gain/loss on the 200 not my legacy 100 basis (because these stocks failed the diversification test)'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and the broker doesn't see them as a sale... the 1099 has nothing on them.  And the pship 1065/K-1 has nothing on them.  Unless I report the IRS won't see it'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and the person you sold them to...?'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'where is the IRS bugs board?  I would like to write a note'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I sold them to the partnership'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'deemed sale, though what it really was simple property contribution in exchange for pship interests'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if I could find an accountant smarter than me, I would hire them.  But there is an amazing number of bad financial people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'thing is, if you get a real accountant, it comes with insurance that they do your tax return correctly.  If you disclose and they fuck it up, they fight to fix it or eat the penalty'
T3/r7/2013-01-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's a good point'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'anything ? anyone ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is a good saying....If they are shooting at you, then you know you are doing something right.'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'if you can defend yourself with sim firepower than you are aiding those that can't '
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or 911 and wait.. '
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Lee County Sheriff's Office has busted a large marijuana grow house operation at 808 Graves Springs Road.  The house contained 1 marijuana plant estimated to have a value of $15,000.......DAMN!  That plant must have 5 lbs of buds!'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'must be some new 1337 strain'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'horsemeat has been found in the beef supply of the united kingdom.....hamburger meat was tested at fast food restaurants and horse dna was found.'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'burgers with 29% horsey in them mmmm tasty..'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, someone in New Yorok forgot to exempt police officers from the new gun laws resulting in virtually all NYPD police having been breaking the law since it's inception'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the technical term? "Fail"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'must be a boring news day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'They could at least be talking about Manti Ta'o'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting we're seeing a fracturing of opinion of local political and law enforcement leaders along rural/metropolitan lines'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'metropolitan leaders are declaring war on gun ownership, rural leaders are declaring war on anti-gun legislation'
T3/r7/2013-01-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one such anti-gun nut is called "Mayor Nutter" (and no, I'm not making that up)'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So...segragation?'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5yr old girl suspended for 'Terroristic-threat" to shoot classmates with pink bubble gun, grilled for 3 hours forced to undergo pschological testing'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yay for one-size fits all rules'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'New York cops become law breakers overnight as moron legislators fail to exempt them from draconian new gun law'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Former NYPD captain Eric Adams says "recently enacted gun laws in New York will do little to nothing when it comes to crime and violence"'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Napolitano's "See something say something" snitch program to be used to victimise gun owners. Schoolteachers and doctors will be ordered to spy on people'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, UK PM David Cameron backs down from talks to repatriot powers from the EU following a huge groundswell of public opinion behind leaving the EU altogether'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Noddy Holder, uhh Eric Holder even, begs court to stop the release of incriminating documents on Fast And Furious Scandal'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome video, and i mean awesome'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1Zy_ASNyA&feature=player_embeddedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1Zy_ASNyA&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1Zy_ASNyA&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet it's not nearly as awesome as "Microwave ovens can soothe menstrual cramps"'
T3/r7/2013-01-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'George Washington was selling 11,000 gallons of moonshine each year, it was his most profitable businesses, tobacco was 2nd.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why was it illega?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'l'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the king wasnt getting his alcohol tax?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, well fuck the king'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck the tyrants generally'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'During the Waco siege in April 1993, after failing to execute a search warrant on the Branch Davidians, the beureau of alcohol and tobacoo burnt down the compound massacring 67 people including women and children'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your caring government in action'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'old news, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ABC to premiere new show "We love Al-Quaeda", a sitcom based in downtown New York in 2001 with a laughter track'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was justice done, did something horrid happen to Janet Reno, or is Tigernuts reminiscing'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'justice is never done, the world still has tyrannical governance'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'speaking of Janet Reno. She was Jeb Bush's AG, so who did Clinton get stuck with her.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's easy, they're all on the same globalist side'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'false left-right paradigm, people believe that they're somehow different'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'while that might be true, it's not that easy to get a job in the enemy camp. Something else must have happened.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ABC - Australian Broadcasting Commission '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is not difficult'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'behind the scenes, the layer below (civil servants, enactors) and the level above (lobbyist, funders) are the same whoever is in power'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, it's not difficult as long as there is a quid pro quo. The question is what did the democrats get in exchange for Reno.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Australian govermnent permits anti-american tv-shows ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all mainstream media outlets are at it "Founding Fathers", "We Hate Paul Revere"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though governments of all ilks have used TV for propoganda placement for decades'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it's really taken of of late as the regulation has fallen away'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with all those USA military bases in Australia, as though Australia wants to become the 51st (or 52nd or 53rd) state of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same as the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US has it's military industrial complex installed almost everywhere. Everywhere it doesn't have it is an 'enemy''
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'TV is pretty rubbish these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CDC is a federal propoganda engine, says the medical experts'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a scientific engine'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that "tv rubbish" affects minds'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, rots them'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I ahve watched TV my whole life'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you a dumbed down sheeple, Arnica?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'hey, I like some of that "TV rubbish" :( castle, bones, person of interest, the mentalist...'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can you honestly say the quality of tv programming has gone up over the last 20 years?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The Slime was one of Zappa's best jabs'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'certainly the _potential_ for quality tv programming has gone up, but there's still a lot of shit out there'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fortunately, what you post here doesn't (rot them), eh  (laughtrack)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, x-factor, pop idol, the voice, dancing with the stars, all quality programming'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Honestly I think the vast majority of TV has been shit for a long time'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'like big brother, x factor, american idol, strictly come dancing'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just nostalgia coloring our perceptions about how TV was in the past'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'yes I agree with you that those are shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'and I don't watch the shit stuff'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yours might be different, we used to get a lot of documentaries and investigative journalism in the UK, but it's all now just crap populist propoganda now'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cartoons are badly-drawn these days '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I just watched the first Rocky & Bullwinkle on YouTube. It was not mind rot. Still good.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'tigernuts: isn't there still stuff like watchdog, panorama and channel 4's thing, I forgot what it was called'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty limited and still mostly shit, danj'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watchdog was never much good'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'besides, tv shouldn't be all documentaries and investigative journalism, except maybe after 1am when they ought to put open university programmes on like they used to'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rocky & Bullwinkle was educational -- warned of the soviet communist plot'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'there needs to be some entertainment in there as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watchdog tends to go after gypsies, and should be going after multinationals with lawsuits'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'zade: lol, reds under the bed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not under the bed, they're in the government'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the EU, quite literally in the government'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I was twenty before I got the humor in Boris Badenov'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what place on the sliding scale between capitalism and communism is good TN?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a one dimensional projection with false endpoints, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so straighten me out, what is the actual projection and the endpoints'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the answer to the question you meant was: smallest government as is pragmatically possible, free markets as far as is pragmatically possible, liberty and freedom as far as is pragmatically possible'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government at a psuedo-local level'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is also a pipe dream TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only a pipedream because people like you won't believe in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US used to have it, UK used to have it, it was taken away from us'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people didn't vote it away'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'liberty and freedom have very relative boundaries when looked at in a personal vs group context'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a false argument often put forward by collectivists'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The Voice" in digital, not analog -- what a big joke'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't consider myself a collectivist TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's just a label to frame the argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's a collectivist argument, twyst, whatever you claim'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you confuse freedom and liberty with anarchy, which is not the same thing , or even the same context'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anarchy is a lack of government and a lack of responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if everyone stood by on their own, than it is just a billion dictatorships'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom and liberty implicitly requires responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'freedom and liberty does not mean everyone standing on their own'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'each with the liberty and freedom to do as much as they can get away with'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a digitised Stradivarius is likely going to sound like an ordinary violin -- all the million-dollar-Stradivarius-analog sounds stripped to produce a digital copy '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't let friends MUD under the influence'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'MUI?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Cable company wants to charge more because of label "Digital Favourites" -- the customers are supposed to be getting a discount to watch and listen to that digital trash'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watched snooker on a digital channel last night, was horrid'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a false premise to argue that freedom and liberty would necessitate no social boundaries or laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ultra crisp super HD looks fake to me'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'life is for all intents and purposes a zero sum game TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I agree Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so what is the absolute minimum that you are okay with someone having?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course you agree, you're not braindead ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'minimum what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'under ultimate freedom and liberty, everyone for themselves, laisses-faire like you are advocating'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'minimu standard of living'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, you're mischaracterising it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'food, money, possessions, means etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot quantify that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you cannot, will not, or should not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'food, water, shelter'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so the bare minimum for all is food, water, shelter.  Do I understand you correctly?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Education, access to information'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at a biological level'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm talking about a moral level.  a socially "responsible" level'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the same responsibility you said was inherent to freedom and liberty'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so everyone is responsible for making sure the less fortunate among them have food, water, shelter correct?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so I am not "free" to decide not to do this'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can choose not to'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I can choose to be irresponsible'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irresponsible isn't the word'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is then'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'selfish'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ok, would there be any consequences for this selfishness'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or is it tough luck, that guy is just selfish'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, just that your community knows you to be such'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like I said TN, a pipedream'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there you go again with your "i can't win the argument, so call it a nonsense". you've clearly been taking lessons from Dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'haha, not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are asking me to believe in the inherent goodness of mankind as a whole'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'when you obviously do not'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense, i believe in the general inherent goodness of mankind as a whole, even if it clearly doesn't apply in a minority'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we have speed limits because if we didn't, some jackass would drive as fast as they wanted endangering others'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the interference of the government has done nothing to incentivise inherent goodness, and everything to destroy it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the speedlimit one on private highway in Texas is currently 85 mph'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in which third world dictatorship is Twist "dreaming" of near-unrestricted freedom to be greedy'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'speed limits are fine to an extent. Where i used to live and drive 15 miles to uni there were 2 villages en route with speed limits. The same route has all bar 4 miles covered with speed limits. There were no serious accidents on the stretch in my driving lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'explain it away'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"when the greedy leaders are revolting, the angered masses start revolting"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't quite follow, tbh TN.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I love this quote from Janet Reno in re Richard Jewell:  "I'm very sorry it happened. I think we owe him an apology. I regret the leak." You think? She and the media ruined the life of someone who only tried to help.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nvm I see what you are saying'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is anecdotal though'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a small stretch of road, traversed by mainly locals'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a major highway through the heart of the UK on the other hand, would not be so fortunate TN.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's interesting that in a talk about freedom vs tyranny you bring up road regulation, when it's clear that roads are an interface between people. I have no objection to those interfaces being policed by communities or representatives thereof'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and such things therefore require a degree of common rules'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'therefore not absolute "freedom"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also framing it as freedom vs tyranny is unfair'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libertarianism was never about absolute freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'framing libertarianism as absolute freedom is unfair (and inaccurate)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'absolute freedom is not even theoretically possible unless you are speaking of a 1-body system.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libertarianism was all about the most freedom/liberty pragmatically possible, with small, local, accountable governance'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'an ecology (an interaction of bodies) is a vector space.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the case your roads it would be roads patrolled by county cops'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with rules set down from county level'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is so special about the county'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in any n-body system you have to have rules of interactions even if they end up in collisions, therefore there is no freedom of action.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'county is just an arbitrary local grouping'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could call it what you liked'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what I meant was, how big.  10 people 100 people 10000 people 100000000 people'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the acceptable amount'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no fixed answer to that, but the bigger it is the worse it works. orders of 1000-100,000 would be sensible'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local demography and geography are relevent factors here'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US is a 4-tier poltical system, local, county, state and federal. Each one can make rules as long as they don't conflict with the rules of the upper tier(s).'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the number of people doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Anaristos, the number is important as it affects how representative and how reactive the governance is'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well if I understand TN directly he wants to flip the tiers'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Republicanism (and perhaps Libertarianism) seems to be for the freedom of the advantaged to be exploitive. yet being protected by the government, and serviced by the docile slave labor recruited from the disadvantaged -- very "elitist"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's at one tier, it doesn't affect local government'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only really needs 2 tiers, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can see how that would inherently lead to anarchy TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anarchy is good :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what use is a federal govt if it is super ceded by all the local govts below it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a seperation of powers, twyst, like was originally touted by the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if an anarchic system, the rules would always be co-operative if they existed at all. I would make a deal with my neighbor for the use of the road, for instance. In other words, you would end up archiving the same level of control a "real" government has, without the overhead.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what if you live in a place where you have five neighbors and the all hate you because you are black/gay/ what have you Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'living in an anarchy doesn't mean that people would drive through red lights because there no laws against it, no more than they drive through red lights even if there laws against it. They would stop because it is common sense to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is your means of recourse?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the same thing you have now, Twyst.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'do you think that laws protect the hated from the hater? If you do, you have not read much history.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Tigernuts is not english today: misspelt "separation" and "propaganda")'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in a decent system, a local keeper of the peace (constable) would pull you over and say "please don't drive through a red light, it's dangerous"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'now I can complain to my local govt.  if they don't do anything i.e. 50's southern states.  I can complain to a fed govt etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and you being a reasonable rational person would agree and do as he says out of the kindness of your heart TN :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as opposed to some faceless powertripping goon pulling you over, maybe tasering you, shouting at you, searching your car illegally for drugs, maybe planting drugs, then giving you an arbitrary fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we throw the book at people with laws right now, and they still break them.  but if you ask nicely'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the lays are not proactive, they only come into play after an act was been committed. So, the gay, black, jew or whatever is in danger no matter how many laws are in the book that are claimed to protect them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the laws*'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're saying you want a tyrannical police state, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not talking about the original action Anaristos, I'm talking about recourse'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a dead man has no recourse'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not true TN.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what you're suggesting'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the state says you can't murder someone, no matter how much you want to'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't see how that is tyranny'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local communities aren't capable of dispensing law and order, must have feds'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what you're saying'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying that murders have ceased to occur because of the laws.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not true Anaristos, but I don't believe in the inherent goodness of mankind'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's your failing, tywst, you don't believe in the inherent goodness of mankind because you have no inherent goodness'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your soul is clearly dead :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anarchy doesn't need inherent goodness in mankind, it only needs self-interest. The same self-interest that made bartering work.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't see how you go from A>B TN.  but okay :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the jet engine is what drives access databases, so he is a bit behind the times.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well we all obviously have the means to see our needs in life met, or some of us are spending way too much time on a text based mud, but it is different if we didn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your position goes hand in hand with selfishness, Twyst. If everyone loses faith in the inherent goodness of mankind, then nobody will do anything out of benevolence, and it becomes a self fulfilling prphecy'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs? no'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who cares about the inherent goodness of mankind ( a work of fiction, anyway).'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather needs, maybe, aspirations? no'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'decades of tyranny and greed has ensured that nobody in the UK can afford to have aspirations anymore, and that's thanks to socialism'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism and fascism'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so lets say you aspire to be a wealthy businessman TN and own the city of London'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can everyone do this?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'only ideal man is good (or bad). Life is driven by the self-interest necessary to survive (stay alive), goodness is an artificial measure.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, neither can people aspire to be god'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'see Anaristos is brave enough to flat out say it TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think you feel the same, but won't admit it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It worked for jesus, and ron l. hubbard...'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but to aspire to have my little corner of the country to live in peace and be left alone, was an aspiration that was open and assumed for my parents generation, and was possible when i was born, it isn't possible now'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's a noble aspiration, TN, but it doesn't make you good, bad or indifferent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would say bad or indiffrent tbh'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then fine, don't believe in goodness, Twyst, don't expect me to help you, and don't expect me to bowdown to a tyrannical government that will forcibly dispossess me for YOUR benefit'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'this has to come at the cost of some other people living in shitty cramped conditions'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"goodness" is not part of nature, it's a human construct.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because life is a zero sum game'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is where you fail TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't depend on the Govt'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I would say I'm the same as you.  Just feel some semblance of responsibility for those less fortunate'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're trying to draw relationships that don't exist'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my standard of living is not dependant on someone in australia, or africa, unless i am taking resources from them'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you inherently are'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not!'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there are a finite number of resources after all'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me ask you this: Here is a the goodness of man at work. A dog attacks someone and he is not sent to his dog house without supper for week, he is not spanked, he is not put on probation, he's not fined. He is murdered. Man is good.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then stop breeding!'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Agreed Tiger lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Man drives the bear from his habitat, when the bear comes back, he's "put to sleep". How quaint.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there were plenty enough resources to go around when i was born, it's only selfish people having >2 kids that are screwing it up for everyone'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is false TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not false'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there were plenty enough resources when you were born because the UK and the west in general got more than their fair share'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Actually Anaristos, in Minnesota we relocate them not put them down : )'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my parents generation there was enough land in the UK for everyone to have an acre, now it's less than 1/5 of an acre'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Why are people selfish if they want to have 2 or more kids? Why don't you have any kids, so they can have 4? Because you are as selfish as they are.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have any kids, anaristos, so fail :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that all revolves around selfishness, no matter what color you paint it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and selfishness is an inherent trait is it not Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'selfishness is an attribute of all living things.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no doubt about that, anaristos, who's more selfish, people who want to live sustainably in self governing communities, or people who want to dispossess everyone for their own greed using "redistribution" as a justification?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you want to discuss degrees of selfishness, that's another topic :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but again, I ask you, why should someone be less selfish so that another can be more selfish?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'redistribution implies that everyone has the same thing TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'redistribution is a mechanism, not a result'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well I am not advocating for redistribution, or collectivism, or whatever buzz word you want to use'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but redistribution implies that some might suffer so that others won't. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just think everyone should have some minimum standard of living'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll record that and quote it back to you when you're advocating it, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'let me put figures to it, Let's assume you earn 50,000 quid a year and your neighbor earns 5,000 quid.  I'm not saying you and your neighbor should both earn 50+5/2.  I am saying 10k or whatever arbitrary number set as the minimum is good'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if that entails you taking home 45k and your neighbor having 10k what is the harm in that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who's to say your neighbour "earns" 5,000, what if he does nothing?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Social responsibility should be about providing the knowledge to provide for ourselves, not actually providing food/shelter/etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if everyone had a million dollars Krache who would be a janitor? no one would pick shit up'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and besides, the current models of government ensure that if you have 3 neighbours earning 5000,50k, and 5m, money is taken from the 5000 and 50k and given to the 5m'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Give a man a fish you feed him for a day, and have to keep giving him one every day if you dont want him to die. Teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we recognize the need for janitors, so we should make it at least minimally bearable'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then pay him more'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'If everybody had a million dollars, a million dollars wouldnt be worth very much'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then that means for however much amount is worth something Krache, someone would have to much less than that.  Agreed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"teach a man to fish, the maan overbreeds, and the fish go extinct"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we can't all be fisherman, there are so many fish in the river'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if in that analogy there are "only so many fish in the river", then there are too many people'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bluntly'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'one child policy needed iyo TIggy ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so who decides TN?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who should die that is'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need policies, thatangel'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who's asking anyone to die, twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if in that analogy there are "only so many fish in the river", then there are too many people''
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Tiggy are you contending that there are too many humans ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are too many humans, ta'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Ah ,, ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'soln?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm all ears :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop giving cash handouts for breeding, make a contraceptive implant a prequisite for receiving welfare'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use your propoganda machine to suggest 1 and 2 child families being best'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make missing parents pay for their children'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Starl lives ! :P - I happen to agree though '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'We should give people on Welfare jobs instead of free money >.<'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clean the streets would be a good start'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'resurface roads'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'unemployment stabilizes inflation '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'full employment = wage pressure'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Obesity is a problem here in the US, as is renewable energy'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'TN, are the Catholics, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Irish, Africans, likely to be on board with that no more than 2 children per family'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Put all the people on welfare in Hamster Wheels let them generate electricity for us all'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'work for the dole schemes I agree with though '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some will, some won't'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'getthem used to being drones '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't require everyone to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some Republicans do not want to distribute contraceptives'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and ban abortion'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'some republicans still count on the Xtian vote ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could understand objection to abortion, i don't understand objection to contraceptions'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'counterintuitive but oh well'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some Republicans do not want to teach school children how to use contraceptives'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a different issue, zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'please elaborate TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on...'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why it is a different issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a different issue because it's an issue about "at what age should children be sexualised"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'a long bow but still population control'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'teaching kids about contraception doesn't encourage them to have sex'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they have all the encouragement they need'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some believe teaching 6yr olds about sex and sexuality is a bad thing, and i probably agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'the media sexualises underage Way before the education system tries to '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some believe teaching 16 year olds how to be safe sexually is a bad thing, and I disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the problem, tz'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yes tiggy it is '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yet the xtian fundies that use this problem as a platform are reticent to take on the media... funny that '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'TN attempts the "don't want to teach them at 6 years old, so don't teach them at all, even later" argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't say that, zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wonder how billions upon uncountable billion of humans came into existence without ever taking a sex ed class. I mean, how did the human race survive the dark ages when they had no idea how to procreate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Zade read the text b4 respond .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of the religious wing use the argument that it should be them, and not the school system that teaches kids morality and sexuality'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's not a point of view that is right or wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes, so they can teach abstinence only'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then let them'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course they are going to argue that way, just like you are arguing to do it your way. That doesn't mean that either way is correct.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'your detractors are going to infer that you implied that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even though that demonstrably doesn't work'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abstinence is entirely valid'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'imo abstinence is not natural and nature is good '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Abstinence as a birth control" is a big joke'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so fine, abstain. What does that have to do with me or anyone else? Just because you abstain doesn't mean that others have to, or have to listen to you preach about it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's great, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'liked ur Anarchy thread Snail , btw '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'same thing as abortion....'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and gay marriage...'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the biggest problem that human face is the fact that they can't mind their own business, someone is always trying to get someone else to do something his way.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you see a pattern here? Small gov't folks only want small gov't for them'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'big gov't for everyone else is fine though'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll find their argument isn't that people are having abortions, it's that their tax money is being used to pay for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'People should be able to do as they please so long as it doesnt impose on others personal freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so taxes pay for gay marriage TN?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'try again'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abortions, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'everything effects everyone - just grades of effect .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they want to outlaw abortions TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might want to'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seems like a broad blow just with the goal of taking tax money out of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cheaper to pay for abortions than to pay for poverty, ecocide, wars, caused by overpopulation'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally don't think abortions should be necessary, but i'm pragmatic, i think they should be legal but restricted to the first 12 weeks'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'contraceptives are cheaper even still'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and besides, some of that tax money goes to pay junkets, so what is some of it goes to pay for abortions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i also believe we currently use abortions as a get-out clause whereas we should be concetrating on every other option, like contraceptives, abstinence, responsibility, adoption'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, most of the abortions come out of the poverty/stupid class'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'education as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so a lot of it can be solved by requiring contraception for welfare'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about the Republican congressman who was a doctor...'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'deb I think tax funded abortion along with other anti-loaf breeding measures is valid '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'his abortions didn't come from poverty/stupid class'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deliberately overlooking the "majority" part?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'teaching children at 6 on on about contraceptives (without teaching them about sex) is okay -- what the children are not told, they don't know'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Zade that is just stupid ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you could also mind your own business. Let them do what they want. For one thing, I am betting that all the overwhelming majority of those who oppose abortion will not be willing to help support the child if the woman comes to term. Once the baby is born, she is on her own. Those who stood at the clinics and dissuaded her to have the abortion magically disappear.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true, as it goes, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'very true '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is true'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'come on TN it is true'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you've shown it yourself, how can you say it isn't true'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's waiting lists for adoption'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'STOP BREEDING remember'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'abortions prevent unwanted/unplanned pregnancies'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'unless the mother joins the church and is treated as charity case \'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i haven't forgotten, but you're accusing a small group of people of something that isn't true'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'whatever reason the woman had for wanting an abortion didn't go away, so she is stuck, in whatever situation she was trying to avoid, on her own.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree with their position, but mischaracterising it is wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'The people that argue pro-life are still providing for those single parents on welfare, its called taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ok tiggy - restate your case ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the pro-abortion people don't pay taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and bitching about it all the time Krache'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there should be an additional way of funding that, Krache, it's called the missing parent'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and saying welfare is too much right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why can't they buy that second boat'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like a first boat, twyst, actually i'd like SOMEWHERE TO LIVE'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the money is going to those crackhead welfare cases, that's why'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be fucking nice'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'wait ! I can have a boat ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'teach children about sex a year before puberty -- then they are fully trained to use protection'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'can I trade 2 boats for a ship ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'a lil more considered position Zade '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'force the missing parent to pay for the kid, refuse to pay? stick em in prison/work camp until the entire 16yr debt is paid off'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also teach the girls to say no to lecherous boys'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll soon school 'men''
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you could let nature take its course. You don't see the Earth overrun by any particular animal. I mean, sure there are a lot of humans but there could be more. But things are being taken care of already. Wars are continuously going on, and the great natural disasters are always a day or two away. Humans don't need codified population controls, the controls are already in place. The same controls that have kept the population down since day 1.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really fucking easy'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what if you are a responsible man TN, and you break your back in an accident and are unable to provide for your kids'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tough shit?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wait for charity of people kind enough to help you out?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, twyst, stop trying to screw over an idea because of specific exceptions'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is entirely possible to have a system that can mitigate because of that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'global violence is at an all time low ,century on century but yes ecological and resource pressures will cap the population , and the current ecosystem .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with the case of a dead parent'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the Greeks like to work out all the details before a contract is signed"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'not the best way Snail but effective enough '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when you try to codify interactions you are always going to screw someone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's inevitable, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mean you shouldn't try'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'as I said - everything effects everyone - just to differing degrees '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is inevitable, just don't codify interactions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the Greeks like to debate "general ideas" with "specific details" and "specific exceptions"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'For one thing, the codifier is never the one who gets screwed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'never been a revolution of a ruling class Snail ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Presidents send troops  into battle zones, one was the last time a US president died in a battlefield?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'against*'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'War Pigs :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you can say, well "sending troops there was inevitable". But the sender sits at home and the sent takes it in the ass.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I bet Gidafi is saying that now '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: '.. sp? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama needs impeaching over Libya/Syria. Bush and Blair need prosecuting over Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you say "let's not have abortions" then you go home and take care of business, the woman with the child takes it in the ass.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'vivid pic Anaristos :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, I'll will go along with any rules in which the implementor takes the same risk as I do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I can buy that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yep or the dumbass father with child maint payments over something noone wants .. and how cruel to be the unwanted child - imo abortion is entirely preferable '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and so the woman with child says the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some left-wing scientists want post-birth abortions up to 3yrs of age'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'very vague statement with no back up TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are also psychos if true'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that people are either born or not born based on some stochastic scheme that we don't know about. The child who was aborted was never ment to be born otherwise  it would have.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these 'psycho's tend to make government policy'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't believe in late term abortions anyways, unless the kid was going to die or the mother as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have one in the US government right now, called Eric Holder'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Eric Holder gets a lot of shit from people who are going to bag on him regardless TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rightly so'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a eugenacist'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Rumsfeld blew chunks, but not a peep from those same people'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rumsfield is a cunt'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lang'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'debate is free for all'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'lol soz .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'and no chann is free for all , I have lost count of the times I have been banned on curse chan'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'can't attack someone or be racist of course'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Alberto Giubilini Monash University Melbourne, Francesca Minerva, Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics. http://jme.bmj.com/content/early/2012/03/01/medethics-2011-100411.full'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and go read "Ecoscience" co-authored by Noddy Holder, err, Eric Holder'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/18/Holder-Outlines-How-To-Change-Public-Opinion-On-Guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'here is the thing TN.  for all I know Eric Holder could be a flaming douchebag'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: '"a newborn is not a person" .... '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'explain that to the newborn'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but the people against him, were against him at first then found reasons to justify it afterwards'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Eric Holder, like Obama, grew up around and was influenced by some seriously dodgy people in the ultra-left'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wasn't against him at first, i didn't know who he was'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'right wing conspiracy theory TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's history'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which dodgy left wing people influenced Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Frank Marshal Davies Jnr, Bill Ayers (are two that come to mind)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is an unknowable fact because we are not Obama so we don't know who he was "influenced by"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, nice attempt at copout'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Obama isn't left wing, so I guess he wasn't influenced.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ayers.asp'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nah that was just my first stab at it, so I could do a .0001 sec google to find the connection is tenuous at best'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'God Bless Obama.  He's the biggest reason the liberty movement is getting so much momentum.  You don't really realize what you have until it is threatened.  The bigger the threat, the more you realize...'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama isn't the threat'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's just a puppet'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, and you quote snopes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'imo "the Masses " are the enemy.. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'time to kull'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are giving me Breitbart... fair is fair'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was quicker than tracking it down on youtube, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, it was a press conference, so the original source is probably Cspan'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a press conference? what happened at said press conference'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they were both there? they saw each other?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who were what'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were talking about Noddy Holder'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'oic'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is part of a governmental mafia, Chicago branch, not really in question'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all government is a pseudo-mafia'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe not everyone in it, but enough to have hold of the controls'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt you'll disagree with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'If Obama was named John and was a republican but did the exact same things'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then he would be equally as bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the people for him now would be against him and the people against him now would be for him'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as Bush, Gore, and Rumsfeld are bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sheeple might, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well you haven't lived in America I guess TN.  But is it dominated by sheeple'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, spent best part of 8 weeks in the USA ;-) living in BC for 3 months'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why a majority of people in the south of the country earning less than 35k a year would fight to preserve tax breaks for the top 1 %?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because Obama is a black muslim socialist dictator'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, twyst, it's a bit more mundane than that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"vote for me and we'll reduce your taxes"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that and they used to be pro-constitution, pro-guns, pro liberty, though that hasn't been true for a long time, the sheeple just haven't realised it yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they were never that though TN.  Just where it suits them'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the same thing here in the UK, people habitually vote labour because they want welfare, people vote right because they want low taxes and hands off government, but they're identical now, people haven't realised it's a false choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are fine abusing the constitution to get what they want'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure, but they SAY they're pro-constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we all know politicians don't do what they say in the manifesto, at least we SHOULD do, we never hold them to account for it though, that's why they're getting away with more and more'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so if you're smart vote for the party that closest resembles your policy choices and barring that live with it, because honestly I don't see it changing'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yes and no'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shouldn't end purely with voting for a party that closest matches, you can get involved at local government level too'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'until you get flipped :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get enough good people, not all will get flipped'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'by interest groups and donations :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I will vote for anyone will lower the price of meat.....or make it illegal to export american meat anywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can usually tell the right people to vote for because they're the people that the main parties are trying to marginalise through process, such as the UK Prime Minister saying that UKIP shouldn't be given a voice in electoral debates at the next election, despite them polling more than the Liberal Democrats, who DID have a platform'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China imports so much american beef now, that the price of the damn thing is skyrocketing here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar arguments in the states regarding third party candidates, all forced out of the debate by democrat/republican monopoly on the commission that does the debates'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally with the US, if you poll 5% in the states you are on the poll for, and are on the books for at least 48 states, you should get a spot on 1 of the debates, 10% 2 debates, 15% all 3'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The price of bacon used to be reasonable, and now it has doubled in 2 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same should be true of the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are discussing smart RFID tracking chips on all guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and medications'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really bad idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'almost as bad as Illinois wanting to audit/record ALL gold transactions'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and nanobots cleaning your arteries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is there a curriculum in Texas for schools called CSCOPE that parents are not allowed to see and teachers have to sign non-disclosure agreements about? how fucked up IS that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'relating to what subject tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teaching of Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'LOL '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recipe for misunderstanding and dodginess'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the feds do it to themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't they? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so much for honest and transparent governance'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not approved by Texas State Board of Education, and not subjected to public review'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pro Islam and pro-UN propaganda. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yeah .. they are just scared of providing anothe form of rebelion imo - satanism is pretty lame - Islam gets you in bed with potentially some nasty ppl'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'wait .. the texas school system has a secret Pro islamic component to curriculum ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'ur funny '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they had a commision to look into it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't say for certain if it's pro-, but certainly pro-UN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd advocate teaching of the origins and problems of Islam in schools, but I don't agree with secret curriculums that circumvent local accountability'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'same applies for any religion'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but Islam is the bogey man du Jour these days'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you teach the origins of Islam, it reinforces the way it's been abused and circumvented for personal and political gain'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to fear, so I don't see the need for it to be secret'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and it is %1, not 1%'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, in a school system that thinks that science is evil, I can understand that they think that teaching about islam must be kept secret.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come on, Ranrr, that's bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the commision didn't find too much Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it found too much Christianity'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'imo the historical and philosophical points of all religions should be taught but at no stage give judgemnt'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, that's the way the texas school system appears to an outsider.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reminds me of the cybersecurity executive order that obama signed that congress aren't allowed to see'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or his obamacare that wasn't written until after it was passed'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is not the way to run a democratic constitutional republic'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'really all faiths have an element of "laymen" speak for 90% of parishoners and the detail really only concerns the others - base masses just want to be well fed drones'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think about secret curriculumns, twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and secret legislation'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'never heard of secret curriculums tbh'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've just been talking about one'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'was afk'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'll have to read up I guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'secret legislation is obviously not good'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'however, I would guess 99.95% of elected officials who actually vote don't read the bills'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, glad you can at least agree with that :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of the time they're not given the time to, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'A: interest group x writes legislation for them and makes them sign for money'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'B: they look to their party and vote that way'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how much time do you think a congressman would need to read a 4000 page bill and understand it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'C: they let their aides do the actual legislating and just enjoy the perks'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm almost positive half of our congressmen are illiterate'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all sounds like good reasons not to have a monolithic system of government'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How annoying, the TSA is removing the full body xray scanners from airports, :('
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know why, riz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to avoid serious lawsuits'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because it frys the bejeesus out of people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and because congress told them to'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because they fudged the safety tests?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The govt is immune thank to the Patriot Act'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Texas CSCOPE as outlined above may be violating the 1st Amendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm just glad those TSA jerks can stop wasting my time'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fudged the safety tests, were put in by a bloke who was set to benefit financially from them'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, they'll continue to waste your time'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'metal detector is fine for me'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and not just in airports, too, they're being expanded to road, rail and bus'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also, they don't want to pat people down'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'deb ceramic glock..'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if everyone opted for the pat down, they would stop the goddamn screening'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You keep thinking the metal detector is fine when I blow your ass away with my ceramic gun. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'cermic glock, you say Thatangle? you know you can fool those scanners with a pancake right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Riz ! lol '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why worry about ceramic glocks when the US and Nato have been giving surface to air missiles to the people they are also simultaneously calling terrorists and are fighting'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'really never tried , I prefer rifles '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why get guns onto a plane when you can just shoot the fucker down?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'tiggy ! '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's ironic though, banning guns on planes makes them safer :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want a Stinger shoulder mounted missile....Do you think I can get one or a dozen ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'so many on my thread thoughts !'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many do you think you need?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least a bakers dozen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'just hook a model jet up with a warhead n fly it urself - is .. easy .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'last time I checked the constitution Riz... that's A-OK'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only airborne threats to me i can see in the future are spydrones, could probably take those out with a standard rifle'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why not get 100, just in case the Gov't invades :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, if the govt goes down, I doubt to many helicopters will be around, so 13 should be enough to protect the ranch....we already have a tank.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Riz you store water in that ... '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the M1A1 abrams is for storing water ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'humans are 70% water ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only in certain states, collecting rainwater is illegal in Oregon, and possibly other states'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does Twyst feel about making it illegal to collect rainwater?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't have an informed opinion about that'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on the surface it sounds silly, but I'm sure there is more to it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'opinions are like asssholes - everyone has one '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the surface and below the surface it's silly'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Everyone who drives by the ranch sees the tank and stops....it weighs 68 tons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the Oregan reasoning behind forbidding collecting rainwater'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the water belongs to the people of oregon.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason the UK has such droughts is because all of the traditional water storage and drainage has ended. Used to be networks of ditches and "ponds" that drained the land and stored the water. Now those have been taken out replaced with land drains that take the water straight to the river. Additionally people concrete over everywhere meaning water runs off to drains (and to the river) rather than getting back into the water table'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so essentially laws preventing rainwater collection are contributing to water shortages by preventing water getting into the water table'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's it, it's a law based off ideology, not sound environmental science'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everywhere else in the world that is going 'green' is promoting rainwater collection'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's a 1925 law TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so? it's still enforced'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm sure that is what they were trying to nab him for :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'our prosecutors have too much overreach'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the water belogs to the people" sounds communist (and commizarist)'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it comes from a box-ticking culture, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather than common sense'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they want you for one thing, can't get it, so they look at the books going back 200 yrs till they find some violation'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get that with huge monolithic governments'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't think what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We added a 8 acre, 5 foot deep lake to our ranch......rainwater keeps it filled mostly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where does that water GO, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that monolothic big government leads to this behavior TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, it does, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its the law and order throw the book at them elect prosecutors crowd that does it'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The water keeps the catfish and other fish in the lake alive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might not be evitable, Twyst, but history and current situation shows that's what HAS happened'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will it always? probably, if you think "no", then in your words, that's a pipedream'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'last week we caught a 28 lb catfish in the lake....the biggest one yet...woohoo!  We had beer battered catfish that night for dinner....'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad laws are passed by "douchebags", not by the "government". So the concerned citizen requires to be prejudiced against the douchebags, and never forgive them -- family feuds and vendettas'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find active citizens abhor both of the above'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Eternal Vengeance is the price of Liberty"'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Westpoint is a bit dodgy'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, a thermobaric bomb.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US used the last of its BLU-82 or Daisy Cutter bombs in the iraq war.  Instead of building more, the army decided to build an even bigger bomb, the 2nd largest non nuclear bomb in the world.  The MOAB, Mother of All Bombs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what's the first largest non nuclear bomb? father of all bombs?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'wasn't there a bomb used in Vietnam that had to be dropped by cargo plane, like 30k lbs?'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that was the BLU-82'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The russian FOAB is the largest non nuclear bomb in the world, but they have never exploded it, and they only reported having it AFTER we made the MOAB'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What a tasty waste....it takes 2 lbs of soybean meal pellets to make 1 lb of catfish meat.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2 lbs of soybean meal have about 4000 calories, while 1 lb of catfish is around 600 calories.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Here is a great example of having the command of the language:> : Right-handed people are more dexterous with their right hands when performing tasks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'like saying that water is wetter when wet.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'What's cooler than cool? ICE COLD!'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Left-handed people are more dexterous with their left hands when performing tasks'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'like saying the water is not wetter when wet.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Lies!  Left handed people are most sinster!'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'At all times.'
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'precisely :) '
T3/r7/2013-01-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if left-handed people were dextrous, they would be right-handed :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the hostages are allll dead'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I killed em so we could talk without encumbant issues'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what the fuss is about, every time there's a hostage issue the 'western countries' claim that "they don't negotiate with hostages", so why the surprise?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'do u ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'f em tac nuke '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'waste of resourecs'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the hostages were armed, would they have been taken?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'negotiation? yes pesant war. just nuke em'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, give everyone guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give people in fucking dangerous parts of africa crawling with jihadi's gune'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Hi Vost '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost gallantly tips his hat to Thatangel.
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like we're talking suburban France here'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'just nuke em '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leave the nukes to india and pakistan'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Algerian forces sent in a bunch of part-timers'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me get this straight because I think you have a point there: If a hostage situation arises in a foreign country and involves US citizens, then the US should nuke the terrorists. What if terrorists take foreign hostages in US soil? Do foreign governments get to nuke too?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they sent in what they had'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'should have got western special forces to do it'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why is that Vost?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't like the slating that the Algerians got, Anaristos, they did what they had to do, so other countries should stop whinging'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'highly trained for this situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Absolutely'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'they didn't have to do it'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they had to do it'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'tit for tat - but nuke em lets sort the world out now rather than later'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the "western" special forces are very well trained. But they are not Algerians.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'exterminate the human species?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'algerians are pretty experienced in this sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they certainly don't have to answer to Japan or the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'given that I am not human - sure - waste em all'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is correct. Besides, Vost, you could have sent in anyone and the result would have been the same.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'well, we are both speculating about that'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'are you a cockroach, Thatangel?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this group of jihadi's won't be doing it again'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I am Tzadkiel.. worse '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but you are thinking of the "western" special forces as mages, they would be soldiers attacking a position which would not fall immediately. And even if they did, the terrorists (or whomever) would have had time to kill hostages.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'we don't know that'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the Algerian government didn't even inform the Western politicians'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'thaen trust me ... wish the roach'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they probably needed to act quickly'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Vost, tell me, what business is it of theirs? Do western politicians run Algeria?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'you don't know... maybe the us troops had remote mosquitos that suffocated all the terrorists... very likely :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'when there are western hostages involved...'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I suggest you look the word "sovereignty" in the dictionary.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'fuck off'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now now'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, western hostages are more important than the other hostages.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ah, now the straw man argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'in a global capatalist setting there is no sovereginty '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course, brown people don't matter - that's why we have to cry and disarm the public over 20 white kids, but 170 dead brown kids is just collateral damage'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am asking. You are saying that the Algerians should have defer to other nations on a domestic situation. I am asking why.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'but really, US troops has no busines on alergian soil if they don't request so. No matter if they keep hostage or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I said no such thing and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I just want to know why you think that the Algerian government should have deferred to other nations and not handle the situation themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they shouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'end of'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might have been polite for them to keep foreign embassies more involved, but you have to realise it was a fast evolving situation, so that might not have been possible'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'just nuke em '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and it was their country to do as they saw fit in a domestic situation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ashiya: 'this makes me think of team america :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they felt confident to do it themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even if they were scared shitless, it was really their job and no one elses.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'dammit nuke team america'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the US military has a tendency to think they have the right to "rescue" people from "insurgents" and "terrorists" all over the world. '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while being the biggest purveryors of terrorism anywhere, Ranrr?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world's superhypocrite'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: '1984 much Rranrr'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'yes, by any definition, they are'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Have you even read 1984? Completely different issue.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'yeah actual just finished it again'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'newsspeak was U'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that book was ultraplusunbad'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Snail ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise most of his work was non-fiction'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'clockwork orange ref I get '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people like that only get this stuff published by presenting it as fiction'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I realize that all of this is fiction'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is fiction, that the government watch everything you do?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'afraid to say, that's reality'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'we live fact- we talk fiction'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't forget he also wrote Animal Farm, a not too veiled satire.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'have read that too - communism is as much a joke as '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so stand against communism then'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'to late'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, first of all, the USSR did not practice communism. Whatever their form of government was, it was not communism.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the latter, I suspect :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'often it's communism for the masses, dictatorship at the top'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'noone has practiced Marxism - as it is unworkable'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos is equivocating and wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'suddup Zade - adults talking'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like we're starting to see communism at the ground level, fascism at the higher level in the west'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I am not. For one thing, despite their claims, they didn't follow Marx's doctrine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos opinion: 'their country to do as they saw fit in a domestic situation.' <-- likely wrong -- plenty of controversial counter-examples: Nazi Germany, Libya, ...'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Marx got his philosophy from Hegel, don't you know? In fact both Capitalism and Communism are interpretations of Hegel's teachings.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever the specifics, it's bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anytime you have the masses being deprived of liberty and power coalesced into the hands of a few, it's bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'both envisage a monopoly market one controled by gov - the other not - big news '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is, Zade, that if the situation happened in US soil and involved Algerian nationals, they Algerians would not have been allowed to mount an operation against the hostage takers. So why should the reverse not also hold?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is their country, and they do in their country as they see fit, regardless of the opinions of others. Same attitude as the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some Christians do a lot of atrocities is the name of god, and other Christians equivocate with "But that was not Christianity" or "those were not true Christians" -- and then both groups enjoy the spoils of the atrocities'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's your fault'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'interesting, but what does it have to do with the topic?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best thing to do then is just to take your foot off the gas and slow down'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(contrary to the Anaristos equivocation), Soviet Communism was "Communism", as that is what "Marxism" and "Leninism" and "Communism" degenerate into: "a bad brutal oppressive murderous tyranny" called "Communism" (or some other fancy rename (North Korea))'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have to side with Zade here, communism is an interpretation and implementation of marxism'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it always ends badly. ALWAYS'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is, unless someone can point to a counter-example'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Nobody can because there is no such counter'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'we are lost as there is now no partition - no divide '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, you can claim the the USSR aimed at being communist, but they were not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just like the US claims to be a democracy and it is not :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, ain't it just'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'noone can claim anything but capatalist imo - the policy is viral'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not capitalist, fascist'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fascism at the top, collectivism underneath'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually they are not mutually exclusive'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'same thing ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left wing totalitarianism vs right wing totalitarianism, they're both totalitarian'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Oh Godess the deb chan is partof the fishbowl ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder how long before the CIA tops Kim Dotcom'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'or me'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrat Michigan Supreme Court judge Diane Hathaway charged/pled guilty to fraud'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5yr old pennsylvania girl suspended for 2 days for threatening to shoot another child with a pink hello kitty bubble gun, accused of terrorist threats'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was unaware that 5yr olds knew what government was, much less how threatening someone else even constitutes a threat against government'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shows that there really are some retarded teachers in the system'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'my main is a .308 SLR has a swasika in lewft side of stock n hello kitty on right side of stock'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Itry to culitvare my soft side'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'I often wonder wha I was built for .. any suggestions ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'The purpose of life is relevant to the person in question, its what you make it'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'serial killer is naughty '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Krache who are you ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anatisos is equivocating that labels are not labels since the labeled do not live up to the label -- that is a nonsense equivocation -- the world uses labels as valid even when those labeled do not follow the label'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thatangel: 'Zade been taking smart pills ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so, the USA is a "democracy''
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the former USSR was a "communist" republic, (and he USSR was (excessively) brutal (as suggested by Marx) to enforce soviet-style "commumism")'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Missouri mom outraged after school tells daughter to get breast reduction to stop harassment'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Moms today!'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't the mom, was the school'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Attempt at joke. Failed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprised so many americans are home schooling'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'joke succedded'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Joe Biden: "I'm proud to be President of the United States"'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bravery and Stupidity are on the same line.  Only the results separate the two.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If an asteroid actually hit the earth and a nuclear winter occured for a few years, would the temp in France really get to -52 C ?  I find that hard to believe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends how big the asteroid was and how much dust it kicked up into the sky'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but we can hope'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if the temp was -52 C in France, it would be about that cold in England also....'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couldn't make it any worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I don't see how it could be that cold pretty much anywhere, except perhaps Siberia.'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no sunlight getting through, it could be'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone go on a gun march today?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Is Aardwolf a game, or a test that humanity must pass to be welcomed into the greater galactic community of intelligent beings?'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'No wonder the first bond film bombed.....Jimmy Bond?  an american spy?  Gimmie a break!'
T3/r7/2013-01-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the first casino royale is a shitty film.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You know, when people make disaster films, they should at LEAST make it somewhat believable....volcanoes exploding in Iceland would NOT cause glaciers to flow onto North America FROM iceland.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'that is some B movie you're watching'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'oh, come on, where is your sense of fun?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and another thing.....a glacier is not going to move around 400 miles an hour....this film was made in 2011....I love disaster films, but this one is just wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what movie is this?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and isn't the point of a movie to suspend disbelief?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2012 ice age.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'something that is called a mockubuster.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha, the main guy just said the glacier that is heading to north america was over 1100 miles long.....Iceland itself is the size of Kentucky.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh yes, it just gets better and better....now the glacier is insta freezing people just before it hits. :p  Next it will gain sentience and starting asking for glacier rights.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'two words- artistic license'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I mean look at zero dark thirty...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'like zombies that can run'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'you cant run when you hardly have flesh'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i loved this statistic: Obama's 1st term approval rating 3rd worst since WW2, only Carter and Ford have lower'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lower than George W Bush by more than 10%'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the outcome of his first term, having broken a whole bunch of pledges, even doing the opposite in some, how do you think he'll do in his second term?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"We will respond to the threat of climate change". Well yeah, that's something he can do by doing nothing I guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1963: Mr Luther King: I have a dream.  2013: Mr Obama: I have a drone'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rapper  Lupe Fiasco got booted off set by security guards after launching into an anti-obama rant as part of his song "Words I Never Said"'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been a great news day'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typical fucking tory though swallowed his parties propoganda'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'Wow... america just continues to get more stupid... apparently they're calling 5 year old girls with a "bubble gun" a terrorist...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'I've never felt more proud to be called an american.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'source?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'it's getting to the point, support guns or support genocide...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, santher, said that a couple of nights in a row'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/21/16624485-horrific-scene-after-teen-allegedly-shoots-parents-siblings?lite&ocid=msnhp&pos=6'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'remind you of GWB: You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'oops wrong story'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/kindergartner-suspended-over-bubble-gun-threat-174618051--abc-news-topstories.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not much in the way of details in that story'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah better explained on facebook'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm just pissed that their holier than thou position on terrorism stops the moment a big bank is involved'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the movie "God Bless America" was ambivalently humorous -- the script required more work though -- too many flaws in the movie'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'it's probably like the school says: what is getting released to the media by the family and their attorney probabyl doesn't have all the facts'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'https://www.facebook.com/pages/100-Percent-FED-Up/311190048935167'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'bought a bag of weed?  ****ING terrorist!  Actually laundered terrorist money?  Too big to fail.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole terrorism scare was done to put in authoritarian practices with one aim in mind: Disarm the people and demonise those who would oppose full federalisation and destruction of the constitutional republic, namely constitutionalists, libertarians, old-fasioned rural republicans'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'and here's another good page for you obama fans...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really is a city vs country folk thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'https://www.facebook.com/BreitbartOneSilencedMillionsAwakened?ref=stream'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not in question, it's in the army/DHS training documents'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah and depopulate the states'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, can't say if it's depopulate, or just get everyone living on welfare in city areas'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'that's the first step'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all set up, higher taxes, agenda 21, collectivism'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'what do think the fema concentration camps are for?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the beginning of the movie "Donor" was annoying -- a female willingly received an illegal kidney transplant to save her life, and then wanted to shut down the illegal organisation simply because the donor died from an unfortunate medical complication - she knew there were risks and she was ungrateful'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was thinking: what if "God Bless America" spliced into "Donor" and put the ungrateful recipient out of her misery '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'Do you think anyone should be able to purchase a fully automatic weapon?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes people should be able to'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subject to the right training, backround checks and storage, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fully automatic weapons empty the magazine too fast'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, fully auto are pretty pointless'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'better off with semi-auto'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm better of to select between fully and semi'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'well i can fire 2 rounds a second with semi...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'on the 'assault rifle' ban, what defines an assault rifle?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'not the guns they banned...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'they mean it to mean anything that even looks like an assualt rifle...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'that doesnt help, I'm genuinely curious.  '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'but amry rifles are exempt'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't such a thing as an "assault rifle"'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'second ammendment should allow people to posses weapons simmilar tho those currently being employed in combat situations'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an arbitrary term with pretty shitty made up factors that don't really work'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'An assault rifle is a selective fire (selective between fully automatic, semi-automatic, and burst fire) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'people can posses old school cannons last time i checked'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'to what purpose would anybody need to have a 3 round burst m4?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'its only job is to kill.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'to stop a genocide'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'plenty of reasons'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thats the whole point od the second ammendment superjayt'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'if you don't know that Obama is like Mao, stalin and hitler... you really need to do some research.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if citizens ever need to for a milita that they are able to form a effective militia because they have the right tools'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'and yet that will get you nowhere near the miliary's capability'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chia Pet Wars: 'Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state. -Thomas Jefferson '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'mao, stalin and hitler? really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'um... no.  I'm not a fan of some of Obama's actions, but he's still no where near the likes of Hitler.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'there is plenty to critize obama for, but that's so far off'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only nowhere like Hitler because he hasn't gassed Jews and declared war in all directions?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'limiting magazine capacity would especially reduce ability to defend if the situation ever arises'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is the trouble with some Americans, they spurt dribble out of their mouth wih inaccurate comparisons'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'sure Tiger - I think that's an excellent counter argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'so far off... well obama is using children to take guns away just like Mao, Stalin and Hilter did... so you tell me...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Santher is babbling nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'I never brought up obama, i asked questions, I personally dont see the reason to have certain weapons.  The first thing you do is blame obama.  The 2 are not related.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler came to power in 1933, in 1939 he declared war in all directions - Obama has a couple of years before he has to do something like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'don't get me wrong - the unchecked drone strikes and sneaking "it's ok to kill Americans in the name of anti-terrorism without due process" into the NDAA is a spit in the face to our founding father's idea of governance'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'do your research zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'and pull your head out of your ass'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I breathe every few seconds. Oh no! I've become like mao, hitler and stalin!'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about the "i want to run a transparent government" then start signing bills in secret>?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the think is if the current leaders limit the second ammendment it will only make it easier for future leaders to enact even more strict policies'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about "i swear an oath to protect and uphold the constitution" then sign a bill allowing for the wiretapping and monitorring of internet traffic of all americans?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Santher - you should google "study it out" - you sound either retarded or trolling us'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about "i don't need the permission of congress to deploy troops in a foreign country"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'you cant link facebook as a source and then say 'pull your head out of your ass''
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'i didn't just ling facebook, ya sheep'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'link'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about "i won't raise taxes of hard working americans" then raising taxes for 77% of the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll close gitmo!'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher laughs out loud at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about using teachers and doctors as "snitches"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah obamacare isn't about healthcare...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't need to make up stuff to diss Obama, he could be impeached 3 times over for what he's done just so far, how the hell he got re-elected, only the voting machine vendors know'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'right, the failure to close gitmo after promising to do so in 2008 is pretty damning.  I can't fault him for the tax piece though - our tea party congress didn't exactly leave him any option to save the bush tax cuts for working americans.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'George "read my lips" Bush -- similar to what Barack Obama is doing except wihout a slogan'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'obama is making bush look cute'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he could have opted to make all the tax cuts permanent'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'his major competition was even worse, and his independent competition was never allowed to gain traction by our major media'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if not, he shouldn't have promised it'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I agree, Tiger.  Too often the Presidential candidates speak like they have Congress in their back pocket.  Too often that's not the case.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all -i- ask is some honesty and transparency. If he wanted to do something about guns, table an ammendment to the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is incompetent and or a closet republican'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'congress? they're all bought off now...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'end the NDAA, end FISA, fess up about these secret bills'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop going after patriots'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'this would have never happened if congress had ny balls'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'd take Gary Johnson over Obama in a heartbeat, but I'd still take Obama over Romney'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think the leaders of the country should take into account that we do not know what the future has in store and citizens possessing adequate  firepower is one of the strongest sources of last line defence'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and I think that's kinda how Obama got a second term'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yeah armed americas is why japan never really invaded... it wasn't the army they were scared of...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperJayT: 'I think i have to turn this off.  This is not debate this is people talking trash.  I'm up for a debate, but this is dumb.  *wave*'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'would be nearly impossible to capture a country that has 300million people all of which are armed'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's dumb, SJ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did G W Bush and Cheney violate the Constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was that a vaguely moderate Obama supporter we just saw?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'although not as overty'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm sure condoning torture if nothing else puts Bush squarely in violation of the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'patriot act was his, no?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'TSA was his, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'It largely feels like the entire invasion of Iraq was set up on false evidence too'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Cheney was neck deep in the 9/11 coverup'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but that's difficult to prove'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'without more transparency'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'then Barack Obama is doing the same -- partly following the precedent the Republicans set with Bush and Cheney'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't feel at all, taokan, it absolutely was'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'there's no real republicans anymore either... reagon was the last good one'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it came out in the public inquest they held in the UK, which is now several years late publishing final findings because US won't allow their secret intelligence to be put out because it would paint them in a bad light'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Reagan was incompetent'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Arnold Swarzenegger or what not speaks a pretty sound Republican platform'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'and warned us about NWO...'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but he's not home born, he could never be Pres'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The War Powers Resolution of 1973 (50 U.S.C. 1541-1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the President's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States Congress joint resolution'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'yes he was... but still better then the reast of the rebup clowns'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this provides that the President can send U.S. armed forces into action abroad only by authorization of Congress or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'repub*'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this has not been repealed'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'he did a reddit AMA not long ago, basically said what a lot of Republicans have for a while now: the party of "smaller government" needs to stop trying to uphold "Christian Values" and focus on shrinking government instead of expanding it'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who he, taokan'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If by "a lot of Republicans", you mean "Like 4" (unless you're talking about voters and not the politicians)'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'arny :)  governer of California, movie action hero :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'well i assume the repub party has more then 4 members... but maybe not :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Arny was a RINO.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Arny was a flid'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'right, well that's the problem with a 2 party system'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'you pretty much have to buddy up with one of the two big parties or have HUGE backing to overcome people's auto-vote tendencies'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I hope one year they screw up and list all the Republicans as Democrats and vice versa, and see how much it influences the election'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Taokan, may you not be American, spouting suggestions like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'quite american.  Unplugged the cable about 10 years ago though, I think it makes me a little off center from the norm'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope for his sake Obama concentrates on healthcare, immigration reform, pushing local green jobs and infrastructure projects - if he keeps pushing at unconstitutional surveillance, gun grabbing and patriot-bashing, he could end up with an armed insurrection knocking at his door'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm sure that he'll try, Tiger.  But a lot of it comes down to people putting pressure on their congressmen, especially in red states.  Pres can't sign a bill that never reaches his desk.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i seriously doubt he'll get anythign through congress, but he can victimise people through his snitch and opression network'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why isn't the opposition calling for the removal of that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and most of the tea party rhetoric is to obstruct government as much as possible in order to force it to collapse into something smaller'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know who the teaparty -are- in congress/senate or what their agenda, but big or small, conforming to the constitution that the oath is sworn to would be a good start'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, Taokan, did you like the movie "God Bless America" '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never saw it'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'two party system - the GOP at large isn't interested in repealing the Patriot Act, IE the overextended powers of the exec branch.  Therefore the opposition has little voice'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's ultimately why you need to ditch both parties'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have an identical problem here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely identical'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somewhat of a comedy  (jaded comedy, heheheheh)'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the independents are trying, at least half heartedly'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need more activity at grassroots/state level'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'this 2012 election they went and had their own debates when they were refused a seat at the main ones.  Broadcast by internet since cable refused to cover it'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Larry King moderated one of them, was pretty damn cool of him'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I still think it might be possible to change the US system'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but it would have to be coming from counties and states'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it'll come in time, people just aren't ready to give up their TV yet.  As the next generation that grows up on youtube instead of spongebob hits voting age, I think we'll start to see a change'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck with that. If Greece is anyting to go by, it'll need to get -far- far worse before there is the momentum needed to change'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I sincerely hope we don't have to fall into bankruptcy before our government takes finances seriously, but it is starting to look that way'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will go bankrupt, but you won't be alone'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I am not entirely convinced that growing up in a jail with youtube is going to be a major improvement over growing up in a jail with tv'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many european countries have joined you with the >100% of gdp debt'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the problem is they inherit these unkeepable promises from their predecessors, then just kick the can instead of saying look, that's unsustainable, we're going to fix this, and sorry to the folks that it hurts but we're not going to continue making false promises'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'we have like a 16:1 ratio of debt to printed currency.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if you use GAAP debt instead of gov't cashflow joke debt, you aren't going to find a lot of wealthy countries under 400% of gdp, it seems'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'kinda ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GAAP?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'using those measurs, even Norway has 200% debt'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the measure that includes companies and personal debt too?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'generally accepted accounting principles'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, isn't UK like 2nd or top on that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'gotta afk for a few.  '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'for governments, the biggest difference is that under any kind of civilized gaap, they have to count the net present value of future pension, social security, health care promises'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..as debt'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, ours are all broke'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're trying to patch up the pensions by downgrading them/pushing the retirement date back, but i won't get a pension when i retire, preiod'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'something like that, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Norwegian pensions are set to drop by about 1% per year, relative to wages'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'starting last year :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'to get the maximum new pension you have to work until age 75'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK we're further along the path than UK because they started "socialising" in the 1950s, we also had a huge American bank loan overhanging us from ww2'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but we now have situations where there are housing shortages, and buying housing is out of reach for mortal men, unless it's a shitty shoebox crammed in ontop of other shoeboxes, agenda 21 style'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government has to subsidise who tranches of society'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That sounds like a brilliant way to accelerate the demise of the middle class'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is there is no middle class here anymore, it's fast evaporating'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'work till 75 -- more slave labour, so the rich may be richer'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the middle classes used to be the skilled people, the tradesmen'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now it's just beurocrats and management of questionable usefulness or ability'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the middle class is a historical anomaly anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the country is dying and there is nowhere in the world to escape to'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'G W Bush increased the hours per work week -- more slave labour -- so the rich may be richer'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Atlantis is nice at this time of year, I have heard.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without a strong middle class, a country is in serious trouble'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In which sectors do you see 'middle-class jobs' growing over the next 20 years?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Teachers'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Health-care, conceivably'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teachers aren't middle class anymore'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're authority-controlled automotons'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'education possibly, although I think at least in the US that particular bubble is about to peak'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'can't they be middle class authority-controlled automotons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have no control over the syllabus, the teaching methods, or even the classroom etiquette and behaviour'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not paid sufficient to make middle class'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Malkar.
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of the experience teachers jumped ship years ago, only college grads and beurocrat wannabes left now'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'jumped ship to do what, exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about anything, shop work'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe in the UK, but that's clearly not the case here in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't know a single teacher that "jumped ship" until they retired'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'In the U.S. they are still middle class.  I won't say about the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'School seems to be getting worse, more hours, more classes, more homework, more unbelievable nonsense in the books, more fluff, less freedom, less learning'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I know my books were easy compared to what my parents dealt with, and current books are easier still, although also more full of nonsensical tasks'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'makes you wonder what's going on when you've got kids being suspended for pointing their fingers in the shape of a gun, for having a bubble machine, for refusing to wear an RFID tag'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an example of nonsensical tasks at school ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and there's CSCOPE'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another federal overreach of power'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Used to be that kids at school were afraid, I imagine teachers are also afraid'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'now, that's one more link chaining everyone to the system :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you know what you need to do :-) g'night'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I know approximately how things should be, but I don't know that the school system can be fixed at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first thing needs to happen is abolish the federal education department and push that power down to the states'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then at least you can get some local action going on it'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I chaired a school board for seven years, and only saw the system getting worse - disruptive reforms countering the previous reform, pointless reporting demands and whatnot.'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that local level crap is not going to work '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the way of big government, tinada, it's wht we've had here too'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hush, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the changes needed are so big, even the teachers in our little private school can't comprehend the scope of the wrongness '
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Bless_America_(film)  the film only earned 231,319 at the Box Office'
T3/r7/2013-01-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hallowed are the ori.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hi'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'boner'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'So many butt hurt people... Babies'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'some people just cant accept defeat lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'notice i was effectively debating 4 or 5 people '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'WINNING'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'I don't even know why people keep going. Are their lives that boring?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i get a kick out of it when i smoke pot lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'As Charlie Sheen would say, Bi-Winning!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'arguing on the internet and winning. right.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'debating, and winning!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'debating. sure.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'No, it's not that my life is that boring... I just enjoy a good intellectual discussion.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i like brain exercise'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'I'm sure Lacri'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are they still going on the gossip chan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'yeah, some of them are'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's 6am'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'I'm at work. Ready to go home and spend some time with my "shawwwwtaaayy"  pfftttt '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my head hurts a little now lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'and I'm enjoying it. It's been a couple of days since I've had a good round of discussion.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'is she one a dem bigg booty hoes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'You either need to get out more or log in more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I need to not be fighting illness, Sigma. Sunday was a spiky fever up as high as 103.7F at one point.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'She's got a nice booty. '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's go to the hospital type fever'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'That sucks. I can't stand intellectual talks. They annoy me. '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'anything above 103.5 starts becoming dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'if it had broken 104, I would have gone, or if I'd started throwing up'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm surprised you weren't hallucinating'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'nah, I was just zoning'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I don't hallucinate until I hit 105.5ish'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Only ever done that twice'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'who has a nice booty'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'done what twice?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'had my fever get so high I hallucinated'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'sleep...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'My wifey'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'heh, yes...when you can, Quelz... If I'm running a spiky fever, though, I rarely manage to sleep for more than a couple of hours, or stay awake for more than that either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i had a fever like that once.. So i went to the gp and got something rammed up my rear.. They thought i was going to like die'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Quelz is gone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'So.... How old are you guys?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I end up with high fevers somewhat often due to being on immunosuppressants for lupus. If it lasts more than 24h, goes over 104, or I'm losing fluids and can't replace them, then it's worth the ER trip. Otherwise...going out is likely to exhaust me and make the illness worse. '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Sigma, I'm 38.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Sheesh. No wonder you guys are uptight.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'I'm 23.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'o.O'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so being 38 makes you uptight?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm..'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'No wonder you think you know everything. It'll take you a few years to get a wider worldview. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Being older does. HOw old are you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm 37'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'I don't know everything. Never says I have. I just kid =D'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i didnt pay attention to what sigma said cause its horsepiss..'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though I'd disagree that being older makes you uptight, I've known plenty of young people that were uptight'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Hahahaha'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'And I'll hand it right back, Sigma.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'education brings wisdom, not age'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a shame Thomas Kinkade died, the movie he financed was pretty good...and michael shanks was in it...dr daniel jackson !'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Pffftt all of you must be oldies'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, I've known some fairly educated people that were pretty ignorant'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'an open mind brings wisdom'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'wisdom is brought about by experience, and paying attention to that experience'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'some people jsut go through life having experiences, but never learning from them'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Well I did drop out of high school...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sigma grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if you want to call it introspection, self reflection, metacognition, I don't care, but not examining your life leads to ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Does that make me dumb?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'course, I'm not going to even claim that I haven't learned the hard way in some cases'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'the start and end of the journey is not important.. But the cracks in the road are..'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, sorry signma  :('
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm just joking, it all depends on what you take out of life, at least in my opinion'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'But! I got my GED, went to college to get my associates in Information Technology and doing better than my friens that actually graduated.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, i've seen plenty of people mess up, and then pull their life together, just like I've seen plenty of people start off great, but never do anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'I'm married, have a beautiful one year old boy, live on my own, pay my own bills. I would say I'm doing pretty good =D'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'you should never compare yourself to others.. '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Ultimately, if you're happy with your life, who's to say you're wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Exactly, Razkin.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, unless you're life involves like genocide or something'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'So Grimm, Are you saying you never compare yourself to other people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my wife and I lead a pretty simple life, but we're pretty happy, which is more than a lot of people can say'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'If you're happy with your life, and it's not depriving anyone else of their rights, I don't think anyone can say you're wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'it complicates things..'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Pfftt You are full of it. Everyone compares themselves to other people. Might be simple things but they still do it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'i take it like this.. Every choice you make is never wrong.. No matter how bad it is.. Aslong as you have the ability to learn from them..'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'that can be debated.. Though my thinking wont really change'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, everyone compares themselves, but when you start seeing the grass as greener on the other side, that's when problems arise'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'so...as long as it doesn't kill you/put you in a coma, you should be able to learn from it, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, we've all known people who are never happy with what they have, and I've never known someone like that who ultimately wasn't miserable'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'aye.. More or less'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Well, it all depends on how you look at it Razkin'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'it depends on what YOU want to do'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yeah, Razkin...my grandmother would be a prime example of that. :/'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 'Alright fellas.. Off work.. Time to head home.. Nice chatting '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sigma grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'later Sigma'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'im the miserable type but i wouldnt have it any other way'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) EspadaSix Grimmjo: 'later yo'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's fine, it's just not for me'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I like talking about things, but I'm not going to ever tell someone what to do with their life, or how to set their priorities'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Described as a true sequel to James Cameron's film, the story of Aliens: Colonial Marines takes place after the events of the second film, Aliens. At PAX East 2012, Gearbox Software's Community Manager confirmed that the game is considered an official part of the Alien franchise's canon by 20th Century Fox Much of the main plot was written by Battlestar Galactica writers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'BSG was horridly scripted, the game: "Alien vs Predator" was badly coded as to options (half-circle radar, crappy savegame options), so this new game by "Fox" is not worth purchasing (except perhaps from a $5 discount bin)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(i waited years to be able to say that)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '"BSG" --> bs-Galactica '
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the game isnt by fox, it is by Gearbox.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'that the bs-Galactica scriptwriters were involved is bad indication'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2009 Nobel Peace Prize nominee Jim Garrow shockingly claims he was told by a top military veteran that the Obama administrations 'litmus test' for new military leaders is whether or not they will obey an order to fire on U.S. citizens.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So obviously we should trust the following trusted chain of sources. Tigernuts -> Alleged person who allegedly spoke with Jim Garrow -> Jim Garrow.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't, but you're one of those people who will "believe anything" provided you agree with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'said he who linked to a bullshit article about how obama MUST be a Muslim because of a ring he wore that had absolutely nothing to do with Islam.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given some of the army training manuals that have been released of late, it's risible'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't claim that, the article claimed a link, not that he was'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but since you love to misrepresent people and their opinions, i guess that's fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm sorry, where in my statement did I claim that you claimed that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama has a history of being a very controlling figure (not unlike, I guess, Tiger Woods).'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said that you linked to a website that claimed something.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't imply it's anything but speculation'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you'll find the website claimed that either'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the irony of you claiming I love to misrepresent what people say just gets bigger and bigger.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pardon me but that's exactly what you were doing'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Anyone with half a brain will find that the website was using the Weasel Argument. "Is Obama a Muslim? Maybe! Just look at this evidence! We won't say it outright, though!".'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't believe X because he linked to a sight containing speculation!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except I never said or implied that either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then shut the fuck up entirely :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You argued that 'you won't, but you're one of those people who will "believe anything" provided you agree with it''
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i stand by that'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'My rebuttal was "[This is rich coming from you, who once did this]'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But don't let that stop you from making shit up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i'm an open-minded fruit loop, you're a close minded hypocrite, glad we got that sorted out. Moving swiftly on'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If that's your definition of "Wants to see proof from unbiased sources before he'll swallow just about any conspiracy theory"'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, then, I'd rather be closed-minded than a fruit loop.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove communism works'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why should I?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't prove a negative, Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove god isn't real'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'theoretically it does. it has never been practiced tho'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'wait, how is "show a working example of this form of economy" asking you to prove a negative?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aaaaand Tigernuts' Hour of Hypocritical Strawmans has begun!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'god isn't real because he told me so'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove totalitarianism is better than freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't expect a black and white answer in a debate containing shades of grey'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except that's the biggest strawman ever.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'containing twilight fanfic?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you guys are so great together, btw'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you love those strawmen'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a negative, because there's never been a working example of this form of economy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'We often disagree on provable, immutable FACTS, not "shades of gray" debates.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whether or not Obama is instructing his commanders to allegedly fire on civilians is a YES or NO question.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not some kind of "Maybe!" debate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you can be bothered to provide any, well any, anything, or anything of note really'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'is this leading to the usual "ah ha! You breathe air! Like HITLER! You must love totalitarianism! You're a nazi!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not the same thing as "X form of government vs. Y form of coverment".'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sonshi, you're confusing us with Chemosh, the "All Hitler, All the Time" go-to person of Debate.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you have anything interesting to say then?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or topical'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or debate-worthy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or newsworthy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you? All you've done is provide a wild wacky claim with no sources.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was an interesting comment from my point of view'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I do! With all due respect Mr Speaker, I must utterly reject Communism, as I am very much opposed to the eating of babies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then it wasn't about something pointless and inane like gay bum sex, so i guess it didn't interest you'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chia Pet Wars screams, "NO U!11!!" Feeling insulted, you feel an urge to retort!
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But, as usual when it comes to your "interesting comments", it's highly incendiary, anti-Obama, highly disputable and based on very little to no verifiable facts.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and before getting all huffy and offended, it -is- the only topic you ever do want to debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'so for giggles, did any of the native tribes to the Americas (pre-European) practice tribal communism?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i rarely speak about Hitler or Jews''
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But, SOMEHOW, this is topical, valuable and/or worthy of discussion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And you just made up the biggest lie ever.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i throw a pick of items out there that i find interesting, if you want to pick up on any, please do, if don't then don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody's making you :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing on this chan ever meetsthose criteria'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Seeing as how less than 25% of my time on this channel has been spent discussing anything to do with gay rights. But don't let the facts get in the way of your lies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Are you including Meso America and South America in The Americas?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, 25% of your time is spent on gay marriage, 75% of your time is whinging at me'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you should fuck. there's so much (sexual) tension between you two'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I have every right to dispute your statements/claims/interesting comments. If you dislike me picking your arguments apart, you're free to ignore me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the last time I saw someone dump his "pick of items" all over the street, the local residents (and police) were no amused.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, Dagnir, he's a good example of why eugenics might be necessary after all'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he lives in sweden. swedes did eugenics'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'explains his attitude, not much else'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'unless you're talking about being gay'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you surely don't expect to dump crap at your local charity, for example, and expect them to like it...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'sure, no reason to exclude.  Just wondering if we go far enough back whether we might actually find a working example of communism'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'communism has never been practiced'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's an utopia'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a fanciful item: http://english.ruvr.ru/2013_01_19/300-million-year-old-UFO-tooth-wheel-found-in-Russian-city-of-Vladivostok/'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if there were, I would strongly suspect it was on an extended-family level, not a country-wide level.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but there has never been a communist country'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pure communism.  Not a single state, country, or civilization in all the Earth's history has ever practiced a pure form of any socioeconomic concept.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, that surely depends on whether you mean baby-eating communism or blood-drinking communism!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess there's never been a pure free market, or a pure democracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and frankly, it CAN work on an extended-family level. The issues arise when we have "Why should I work for Joe's benefit?"'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, there hasn't.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'makes it a pretty short debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you see, that's why you have a govt that adjusts the incentives... it's why my govt works a lot better than most...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you live in a city state, not a country'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'size matters, Sonshi.  Your government wouldn't work any better than the US if you had a US-sized community or economy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most government systems fail because of the variance of demography, USA is just the same'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"live in" -> "come from"...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sonshi, do you live in Singapore or was that someone else?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's from there, currently schooling in US'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'surely you aren't suggesting that the US could work better if it split into little states...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir shows his approval by clapping his hands together.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in other words, if it were run the way it's supposed to be run ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shock that, abe'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not now it wouldn't.  Far too much cultural integration would blur the lines.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'do note that countries around the 1-10m range are no better off on average...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's your mix of well run states, developing states, and basket cases'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has to do with responsiveness and representativeness of governance'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1 size rarely fits all'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'adding in the greater mobility provided by the modern world, there's really no such thing as a confederation of 50 Singapores here in the US and our average way of thinking identifies us as Americans rather than Missourians or Vermonties.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if your culture has a large anti-intellectual faction, it doesn't matter how big or small the country is, it's going to be a major drag on the nation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's no way to talk about <insert other party here>'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there are basketcases, why would you be upset at cutting them loose?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe his mom got raped by a Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would be interesting to see how a north US and south US fare...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't be north versus south'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be rural versus metropolitan, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"inner states vs coastal states"'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in general, rural areas are red and urban areas are blue.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'east, west, and middle, most likely.  Perhaps even divided into 6.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'california would sink without a trace'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'realistically speaking (as much as that can be said), if a split ever becomes possible anytime in the next century, the parties would not want their territories disconnected.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it already has.  It's like a giant cancerous pimple that popped and exploded its dirty cream all over the rest of us'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'replace the word "possible" with "likely"'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already possible, just not likely'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'General James Mattis, head of the United States Central Command is being told to vacate his office several months earlier than planned.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm just saying that any particular group won't really homogenize across the coasts.  Western Liberals will think differently than the Eastern ones, and both of those will likely think still differently from the middle coasters in the midwest.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'd still prefer to remain in the same unit, most likely'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially for defence'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'another Benghazi victim? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expecting a chinese invasion soon then, Sonshi?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, he refused to shoot at a US citizen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china is unlikely to invade the us anytime in the next few decades or so'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt anyone is likely to invade US, period'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, not while it's citizens are armed'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no reason to invade what you already own, anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ha'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Why would China invade us any time soon? Arent they making money off of us?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and what they don't own yet, they probably made.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'US I mean'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the reason why no one would attack the US as it is now is because 1. nukes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '2. more nukes'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'beat me to it!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Smiling, Tinada greets Galinthas warmly.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get it on then, nuke away!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'And I also thought China owned a good chunk of US National Debt, make no sense if they attacked us'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Chinese can't stomach mass killing anymore, either.  One could even say they've been Americanized, in that respect.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'David Attenborough said that humans are like a cancer on the face of the earth, and he's kinda right, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in the future, if there was a way to reliably neutralise missiles, war would be come possible... but then the US would still be immune as long as it's this big'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Agreed Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That was a weird board meeting today. I had the property foundation board claiming they were not bound by the contract they signed to rent half of the building to the town council.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if it split, however... things change...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oops, mis!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it won't split in my lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't like to say 'won't' but I consider the probability exceptionally low.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you a Baby Boomer, Abe?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china also tends to be unwilling to occupy lands owned by anyone with a different colour of skin... probably won't change soon.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baby boomers have a shit ton of grievances to answer for'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their neighbours might be at risk in the future though... but not the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or are you just not counting the golden years when you're in diapers and no longer care about anything important?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for stringing up everyone over the age of 50 and torturing them until they apologise'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'remember that abe's going to be saving that quote in his logs...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was kinda hoping he would'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, over the timeframe involved, it's likely to not survive a computer crash somewhere along the way.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything shit that has happened in the Uk since WW2 we have the baby boomer generation to thank for'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm a bit younger than that, and I was counting my normal full lifespan in my estimation :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I still cry when I think about poor John.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'my govt is trying yet again to boost our birth rate...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell your government to shut the fuck up'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'do a conception day like russia :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they want more retards, we've got plenty spare'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'probably nothing short of pointing a gun at their heads would work though, so the country's screwed in the long run...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think they aren't screwed, and that's the problem ...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not screwed, they'll just get all the rich expats'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the only thing that will save the world in the long term is getting a hold of the population'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to paraphrase a common response from working single women in my country - Kids? Lol.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Dont forget about proper resource management'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, but for any specific country if it's too far below replacement rates this leads to some serious demographic issues'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'demographic issues are not justification for breeding to oblivion'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Trying to not stay too far below replacement != breeding to oblivion'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just get immigration instead'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the problem is precisely that we are not-breeding into oblivion...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure there are shit-tons of Chinese who would gladly move to Singapore'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'immigration usually brings in undereducated individuals not acclimatized to your culture'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Singapore doesn't have a culture by definition'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I've heard you bitching enough about immigrants to the uk :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, yes they do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have a person shortage'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are tons of chinese and indians who want to move... but the locals think they're smelly unwashed masses.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and there aren't enough smart people who want to move that we'd want to take...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's much better for a country to have slightly sub-replacement and gradually shrink than to just vanish and leave a bunch of aging people and a very small population to take care of them, plus by then nobody wants to immigrate due to the tax rates required to support all the elderly'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'especially given how so much of the upper classes in these countries are corrupt and at least mildly evil.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people only move to the UK because of the welfare anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is that what brought jexe? }:>'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if I move to the UK, it will be because of the brawls.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think a fresh supply of men she hadn't raped yet brought jex'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's hard to imagine all of japan had been used up by then'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'countries which are wealthier and have more... benefits... tend to be better able to attract people, for better or worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's simplistic, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's true, on the other hand, some get driven away by other issues.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'get a few more Saverins and you'll be fine :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'pros minus the cons and all that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is there any country in the world left to emigrate to that isn't shit?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course he'll be dead in 6 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, even a few saverins would be a drop in the bucket compared to just a year of national income...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold is on the march again'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it never stopped'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, it did'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shot up, then sank down, been stabalising for a number of months'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'for the talentless, most good countries wouldn't take them. For the talented, the doors are open in most places'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'long term i guess it will track the devaluation of currency'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree Sonshi, there are no good countries anymore'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the issue with the talented is that the doors are open in most places -- reduces the chances of them wanting to come and boost their economy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, it's always possible to set the definition of "good" so high that it cannot be attained'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i set the definition of good in this context to be a free, libertarian country with lots of space and a temperate climate, and english speaking'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'narrows the list quite a lot'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's not good unless they all speak... VULCAN!'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could manage vulcan'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'under my definitions, free and libertarian would be a contradiction...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and authoritarian and libertarian wouldn't be?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'would also be'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'freedom lies somewhere between the law of the jungle and the law of one man...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one man...and his wife, Jane, and his pet dog Shep and an ape named Abe...'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Republican Charlie Rangel "Constitution is something DEms have to 'overcome'"'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what an unusual comment'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Beyonce lip-sync'd at inauguration'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't she also wear her fake-butt pants, too?'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, but she's another human we could do without'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ex french-pm Sarkozy to move to London to avoid French socialist high tax rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Global warming to blame for colossal freezing snap across USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'hello?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sigma: 's'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: '.. lol yeah a lil transparent ..but .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'still no clann Twvst ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Bard perhaps ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not very artistic :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or at all really'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Boot then or was that autistic .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a little big for boot though'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'T2? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Druid then ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I thought they kicked you out after T1'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'lol T1R3 never clanned I dunno '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'tbh looking for a clann myself - reason I asked '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I see, good luck'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'non PK clans ad alot to gameplay ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'personal gameplay *'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I wouldn't know, I assume so though'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'you can back out of a clan if it don't fit or is it 81 for life ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can leave and join somewhere else, although I think there is a fine and some outcast time as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'outcast ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'help outcast'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not clanned, still pkable, can't join another clan'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for some time'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'just did , been here for a year - is ingrained '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'so clanning up is serious then .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah i guess most take it seriously'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'I would - I have a lot of frineds in a few clanns so I'm leaning toward one of them I guess just am a solo flier really - guess I have to talk to them ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'yes and no...we'd hope you'd stay, but should you leave for another clan, it's a matter of clearing your outcast flag and apping a new one'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'TY Lacri ,y'all seem pretty reasonable ofer ther just have to trust myself not to let y'all down too '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'is food for thought TY'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'while I'm here , deb anything else ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'while Zade is not here '
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'or that annoying Tzadkiel'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'probably have to find someone else, semi-afking atm'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'emphasis on the afk'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Anangel smirk
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the department of education and left-leaning teach profession suffering mass hysteria?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '!?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'No, they are enjoying it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'This week, a  South Philadelphia elementary student was searched in front of classmates and threatened with arrest after she mistakenly brought a paper gun to school.Earlier this month a 6-year-old boy was suspended from his elementary school in Maryland for making a gun gesture with his hand and saying pow.Days later another two 6-year-olds in Maryland were suspended for pointing their fingers into gun shapes while playing cops and robbers with each other.In Oklahoma, a five-year-old boy was also recently suspended for making a gun gesture with his hand. A 13-year-old Middle School seventh grade student in Pennsylvania was also suspended for the same hand gesture.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and of course the five year old called a terrorist and suspended for 2 days for firing bubbles out of a hello kitty pink bubble gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that looks like hysteria to me....'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'lol WTF'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Krache, quite'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I should have been expelled for my crimes as a child >.<'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Krache sighs.
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, nearly 800 european kids have developed narcolpesy as a result of having a vaccine for the h1n1 swine flue'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I wasn't allowed to have bubble gum in school, much less a bubble gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bubble-mixture, making soap bubbles arnica, not bubble gum'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Your reading teachers failed you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Arnica for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If by "800 european kids HAVE developed narcolepsy" you mean "800 european kids MAY have developed narcolepsy".'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bubble gum wasn't invented in the UK until 2004'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But never let yet unproven theories prevent you from throwing out talking points.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'don't european kids usually develop narcoleptic tendencies at school?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they didn't "may have" developed narcolepsy, they DID develop narcolepsy'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for which there is growing evidence of a link to the GSK swine flu shot'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'no, it looks like fucking PC rules that were written up by school boards that insist ANY gun of any sort, even gestures, is violent and must be punished with suspension, the same as fighting and knives and anything else. it's not the left writing them, it's paranoid school boards that are looking to prevent more shootings, and not allowing any leeway for kids just playing because the boards are afraid of lawsuits.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Are you crazy? Bubble gum was invented in Soviet Russia, not UK.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, arnica, 2004, Mr John Fred Bubble'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They developed narcolepsy, but there's not yet definite proof that it was due to H1N1 vaccination.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/22/us-narcolepsy-vaccine-pandemrix-idUSBRE90L07H20130122'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no definitive proof you're alive, yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'bubble gum existed a hell of a long time before 2004, I remember chewing it in the late 1970s'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Your own link says they're not sure.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's actually far higher evidence for the link between the vaccine and narcolepsy than there is for the effectiveness of the vaccine at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'tech Hanslanda? :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the incidence of narcolepsy was between 7 and 13 times higher in children who had the vaccination than in the unvaccinated control group'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the issue is that loads of modern vaccinations have relatively rare, but extremely serious side effects. Rather than investigate them, they just hush them up and push the vaccines anyway'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Hilary is playing possom on the hill'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't really like Rand Paul much, but he's at least doing his job here: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/23/rand-paul-to-hillary-clinton-if-i-were-president-i-would-have-relieved-you-of-your-post-video/'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl: Democrat Congressman Elot Engel "Barack Obama was not responsible for the Benghazi attack any more than George W Bush was responsible for the 9/11 attacks"'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chia Pet Wars snickers with Tigernuts about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry Mr Engel, but since Bush was at the very least complicit and partly responsible for 9/11, you're argued yourself into a corner'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'seems reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tiger Woods admits leaving California because of high tax rate. Phil Mickelson says he may also quite california for the same reason'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I am sure Putin will hug them, too.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Woods moved to Florida'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mickelson will probably go to Florida or Texas'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loads of Californians invaded Texas, it's called "The Exodus" by texans'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Good riddance. And may the South rise (and fall) again!'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good riddance? what an absurd position to hold'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'This time we will free their women.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'There was recently a billboard ad placed in New York suggesting any gun owners who want a better standard of living and freedom liberty should move to Texas'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'placed by some Texas development board'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Screw that go to Minnesota if you love h'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'guns***'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because what millionaires need is to keep more of their millions after taxes. Because you REALLY need to be able to afford to support TWELVE generations instead of, say, 10.'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'minnesota's fucking cold though'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Beautiful in the summer'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'And tons of stuff to do in the cold'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ex French President Sarkozy is moving from France to UK to avoid France's punitive tax code since some loopy socialist got in'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not terribly surprising, there was a huge exodus of businesses, celebrities and others from the UK in the 1970s when the left wing labour party brought in punitive income tax rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The loopy guy who just strafed Mali insurgents?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they went from having income from them to h aving nothing from them'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tosk !'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22l1sf5JZD0'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is an awesome video'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a cat playing a fiddle of the song by rick astley .?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, A Por-gun control meeting held by New Trier Democrats in Gleview, Chicago'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pro*'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'New Trier? lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'What's New Trier got to do with real life?'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no ide'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a grass roots political group not dissimilar to the one Obama once belonged to, i'm guessing'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or similar to the tea party in a way'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the US current civilian federal workforce is very similar in size to the entire population of the USA in 1776'
T3/r7/2013-01-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jamie Dimon claims that the public don't need to know how banking works, it's complex and they take a small fee each time and that's all you need to know'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'whats everys ones favorite pistol?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'depends on what I'm shooting for'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'self defense'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'just for target practice, a .22 is nice...but I'm partial to the Sig P226 for self defense--one of the few that fits my small hands well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'sigs are pretty damn expensive'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'they also don't have the issues with jamming that cheaper ones do'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'if I'm having to use it for self-defense, the LAST thing I want is a jam or misfire'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'like most other physical products, you get what you pay for'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '-g'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'looks like the fbi no longer uses sig and have moved to glocks'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and they are half the price'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'most of them have moved to Glock due to price, and because they're trying to standardize on one model for parts and one caliber for ammunition, so that any agent can use any other agent's ammo'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I have a couple of friends who work for ICE, and it's a federal push across the LE community'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( 7.62 NATO rounds )
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'One of mine is fine with the Glock, the other carries his personal Sig as his sidearm with 3 mags, and the Glock as his backup weapon, with 2.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'my bro likes the xdm with that grip safty ...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what do you think of beretta px4'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it kills'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'guns dont kill anaristos ...people do'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, you are right. and guns make killing harder so they are not a problem.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am wondering, though, if there were no guns how hard would it have been for those people to commit the Columbine or Aurora murders?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'For the ones that spent months planning it?  I think they would've got their hands on some still'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'It's like teens having sex, if they want to, they'll find a way...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'would they have killed those people as swiftly? What would have been the chances of stopping them after the first murder if they were not armed with guns? I mean, I am not going to jump a guy holding a glock. I might if he's holding a knife.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anaristos do you mean literally no guns on planet earth?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'there's an old saying in the SCA "When swords are outlawed, only outlaws will have swords"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, Lacrimosa. If one wants to kill one will find a way. But guns making killing very easy. You don't even have to show yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'So are we doing a thought experiment that guns don't exist or that guns are outlawed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are being purposely obtuse, I see :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'You are trying to say that guns don't make killing easy, I am sure you are not that naive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'you didnt specify Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'outlawing guns would only create an environment where more gun crimes happen, because the general public has no way of defending themselves against gun violence. The crime rates in states that have approved concealed carry laws have gone down within a year or two.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Mass shootings have actually gone down as well. Despite the handfull of them last year. They are actually a rare occurence. I don't think the liberal knee jerk reaction to push gun regulations is neccessary or constitutional.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'It isnt'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'for once, I actually agree with you, Snooky. *marks calendar*'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if more people were armed it would be much harder to have sustained shooting sprees'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And with the latest Newtown shooting, new information came out that the shooter actually may not have had the AR-15 on him after all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is why most of these shootings happen in no carry zones'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's not even worth arguing over. First of all, the public has no way to defend themselves against gun violence now. The only thing that results from the public having guns is that more people are in danger of being killed. You think that there is some distinction between a criminal and a member of the general public, but there isn't. The motivation behind having a gun is the same, to kill the other guy. There are cases when one has to defend oneself,  true. But there is no more trust in the judgment of a "good guy" as there is on the judgment of a "bad guy". If they perceive that they need to use a gun they will. If someone dies because of the gun, the only difference might be that the "good  guy" might say "oops, my bad". That won't help the corpse at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Places where the gun laws are less restricted have low gun-related crime because the criminal doesnt know who has a gun to shoot back'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so tell me, in Japan it is against the law to have guns, so according to you there should be yearly massacres there since the general public is not packing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Never said that,'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Anaristos, the right to bear arms is constitutionally granted here. They have the option, but most don't exercise it because carry permits were restricted...so in practice, the majority of non-law-enforcement people carrying were carrying illegaly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, and you can't, because the number of death by guns in Japan is almost negligible.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Japan, different laws different culture different history.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't warp the constitution. The right to bear arms was grated so that the citizens could defend themselves against the government militia. It wasn't granted so you could shoot down deer with AK47s'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'You have to look at the cultures as well--Japanese culture places a much higher value on honor and respect than American culture has grown into. Even Japan has gun violence, though--and it's their criminals who don't care about the gun ban that have the guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in Switzerland, every one of military age has a rifle in his/her home, in case the nation needs defending. They don't hunt with the rifle, they don't rob liquor stores with rifles, they simply don't use them. In the US, you want to invoke the right to shoot someone. The is not the right granted by 2USAmend'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You have the right to defend yourself...what is wrong with that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'The second amendment guarantees the right to bear arms, even against the government if necessary. It does not limit that to only against the government. And frankly, I wouldn't shoot a deer with an assault rifle--I only hunt for food.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Sure, that is true about Japan, as well as anywhere that has a criminal element. Part of being a criminal is that you must not respect the law. But in the US, there is no formalized element of society that carries guns and uses them criminally. Anyone here with a gun is a potential criminal. Including children.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'If I have a trespasser on my property I ought to be able to shoot them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'An assault rifle would waste too much meat.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I disagree Ana,'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Coming from the Minnesota Northwoods around 80% of the population carries openly, and there is very little gun related crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, you should be able to shoot a trespasser, so the question is how can you tell there is as trespasser. You shoot your neighbor because his dog wandered into your yard at 3AM and he was trying to get him. You panic and kill him. "oops my bad"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'It's highly respected up there because we all like to hunt and respect our weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '.223 are a really "small" round for hunting'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Anaristos, what about gangs and the Mafia? They DO still use them...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there are a few state you cant even use a 223 for hunting'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Doesn't Mexico have harsh gun laws?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '.243 is about the smallest caliber to use for hunting and alot of game you want bigger than that'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people don't get carjacked by the Mafia. And gangs are alive and well because of all the guns that they have available. Guns they have available because of the ease with which anyone can get one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Anaristos, I don't care about someone in my yard. If he comes into my home, though...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and depending on rage you might use quite power ful rounds'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'A lot of thugs use knives and other weapons as well...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'What's Russia's current stance on guns?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would never want to defend my self with a knife'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'too up close and bloody'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Last I knew they weren't easy to get there either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Gang Members and criminals in general are going to be just that, having a gun doesn't change that'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Exactly, Krache.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'The only thing that anti-gun laws do is tie the hands of the people who actually respect the law.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'also makes it easier for future freedoms to be revoked without a way to defend those rights'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Here is the thing, an unarmed person has a better chance to survive against an armed opponent who is not bent on killing anyway. An armed opponent who sees a gun is going to shoot, 9 out of 10 times. If you think that having a gun is going to save you from getting shot, you are dreaming. The only way you can guarantee your safety is if you preemptively shoot anyone whom you perceive as a threat. A lot of "oops my bad" to follow.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Fair enough, Elchanan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'depends the country anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Elchanan's point is the most important here for the 2nd Ammend'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we are talking about the country where people are are arguing they should arm themselves to the teeth with AK47s'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and alot of people carrying probably realise that anariso and if they are being robbed at gun point they will not draw'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'oh that one'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well been in countrys with 0 gun tolerance'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you sense that someone is about to rob you, having a gun is an advantage. But the problem is that if you are carrying a gun for defense you are going going to be in an altered state of mind, your judgment is not going to be sound enough to do preemptive work..'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'bad people just do what they want and the laws help them...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are going to end up shooting the wrong person at least once.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back in my country if a robber claims to have a gun, he'd get laughed at...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a person who would not have been shot had you not had a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Most people aren't worrying about arming themselves with assault rifles, Anaristos. I have hunting rifles, and a handgun, and then I have an airsoft gun which IS an automatic...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just because you are carrying does not mean you need to shoot however if the criminal as allready showed that they are going to shoot people then your able to attemt a defence of yourself and those around you'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Laughing Lacrimosa nods at Elchanan.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Eh, better to be tried by 12 and not carried by 6'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Laughing Lacrimosa grins evilly at Aldeas.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anaristos, your judgment ability is not everyone's. You use a lot of blanket statements that are outright false. You just said that any law abiding gun owner is going to shoot the wrong person.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'At least once. '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are guaranteeing then that an armed public will not result in shootings where the victim was innocent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i just think they been talking about this for to long'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Anaristos, even an armed military results in shootings of innocents occasionally.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Accidents happen, and they don't happen as often as you are implying they are.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'more than occasionally'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Far more people die from Smoking or Drunk Driving than accidental gun deaths'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'as a country dont let the goverment take off the guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if your position is: ok, once in a while the wrong  person will get shot, that's the cost of doing business, then you are as bad as the criminals as far as I am concerned. There is no way I can feel safe with either you or them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would hope most people carrying would analize the situation enough to see who is the criminal and who might be defending'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Funny you should bring up drunk driving.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Worst argument for gun control. Actually I'm not sure what Anaristos' stance is. Are you for an outright gun ban or just a certain amount of gun control laws.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"most" is no guarantee, when one mistake can cost a life.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'That depends on that particular military's rules of engagement, or the punishment for breaking those rules... some armies have far higher rates of non-combatant injuries than others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The law tries its darnest to prevent drunk driving, by institution rigid age limits, public intoxication limits, drunk driving limits, TESTS and BACKGROUND CHECKS for issuing driver's licenses and car rentals and whatnot.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'like in mali now lacrimosa?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yet the NRA is very much against universal background checks for gun ownership.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The first SANE thing the U.S. can do is institute universal federal background checks for gun sales.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's because that would slow down the proliferation of weapons. They must be on the payroll of the gun manufacturers who incidentally has taken "no sides" on the issue. They don't need to, they have the NRA doing  the grunt work for them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'does not need to be ana '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I think background checks are necessary. I think you should have to qualify with your weapons each year the same way law enforcement does.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Whaddya mean "must"? They ARE. It's no secret.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Many states in the US already require extensive background checks, in IL it takes several months to get a VOIP card that allows you to ever hold a gun in a store'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I also think the 2nd sane thing the U.S. can do is institute a test before issuing a weapon's license.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Not that the NRA speaks my mind. But i was under the impression that the NRA wanted better backround checks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'All these people who have done mass shootings didn't have a record. A background check wouldnt of caught them.  Dont get me wrong background checks are needed but its not a panacea'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You need to pass a written and a practical test first, like, you know, when applying for a driver's license.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Background checks also include mental illness.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'There IS a test, Yuna.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'see thats overly invasive and unrealistic'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Many of "those people"? Recorded mental illness.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, that's a good excuse. Let's not  do a psych eval on gun purchasers, that will ruin the surprise later on.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well Aldeas, Adam Lanza failed multiple backround checks before stealing his mother's guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'so every medical provider needs to provide information on a constant basis of clients'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, because if we couldn't stop Adam Lanza, let's not try at all!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Well, I stand corrected Snooky'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What test, Lacrimosa? I haven't heard of any universal test.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, had his mother not had a gun he might have had some difficulty getting one. But hey, it was like god was on his side, mom cam through.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'came*'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Nobody said that sensational Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's where my 3rd step of sane gun control comes in: Ban high-capacity magazine weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody needs to be able to shoot off multiple rounds a seconds in order to defend themselves (unless it's against an army, but let's leave the gun nuts' fantasy of fighting against the U.S. government out of this) or to hunt.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'At least here, there's a written test on the carry laws, though there's no qualification.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'NO ban on high capacity mags... only takes a second to remove mags'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, since  anyone can have a driver's license whether they can drive or not, I guess that gun background checks should be as rigorous.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'ban high capacity magazines? Or weapons that typically hold larger magazines'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'does nothing'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay Yuna, how do you go about getting all the high capacity mags that people allready have?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you ban the sale of ammunition'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'peopel can load thier own ana'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then it doesn't matter what they have.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '1) Mags, weapons, ammunition. 2) If you grandfather in the ones already in existence, at least it will protect future generations. Let's do SOMETHING instead of NOTHING.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, people can make their own meth, too. That's illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because we'll never be able to stop people from going on rampages. BUT, we're able to limit the scope of the damage they can inflict.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Making your own friggin' gun is far more difficult than making your own meth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'not a zip gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can limit the number of people who go on rampages, you force them to attack with clubs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '2nd amentment protect right to form organized militias'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'because thats what we need, to restrict the rights of law abiding citizens...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes, and Elchanan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky rolls his eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Banning them isn't the answer. I believe there's already a restriction on how many rounds you can buy at a time'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The 2nd amendment also says that people have a right to form REGULATED militias.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What I'm suggesting are sane REGULATIONS.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and a militia would need at least small weapons comperable to what a military force would have'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, that's not what the 2USAmend says. It only gives the citizen the right to defend himself against a government who uses the armed forces against him. Read the text.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's not what the 2nd amendment says at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who's rewriting the constitution now?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it does not give the right to the citizen to hunt, it doesn't give the citizen the right to hold up liquor stores, it only grants the right to defend himself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'if you want to see something terrifying go to a gun show.  There were cops at front door collecting rounds from holstered weapons in a fish bowl and soon as you got inside a dude was selling ammo.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's like saying the U.S. populace should be allowed to own nukes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what's fucktarded about U.S. gunshows? Depending on the state, you can buy a gun at a gunshow with no background check.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The Supreme Court has reaffirmed that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual the right to possess guns in the home for self defense. They Justices also stated that this right is not unlimited  elected officials may enact common sense gun laws to protect communities.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'well its the loophole they're selling as private citizens'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'None of the laws we've proposed infringe on their right to bera arms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the regulated does not refer to "regulations"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The law doesn't say they should be allowed to bear ANY kind of arms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck is wrong with your reading comprehension? In what alternate universe doesn't the word "regulated" entail regulatIONS?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm sorry, why aren't you arguing the U.S. populace's right to own rocket launchers, nukes, warships and bazookas?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because, clearly, that's what the U.S: constitution says.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'obviously, the NRA resents the fact that the States, counties and cities have the right to curtail the possession and use of firearms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wonder how the idiots who run the NRA can sleep at night, on their piles of money.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"None of those kids would've died if we'd just armed every single grown-up on campus".'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's pretty much their argument.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you know, I wouldn't mind the possession of guns so much if I could understand why should my neighbor posses a weapon that when discharged, for whatever reason, the bullet can come into my house and kill me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Frankly, they DO have that right according to the constitution...however, most of us have enough sense to restrict the acting definition of "arms" to things you can carry. No citizen needs a tank, or a warplane, or a rocket launcher. I've seen people who own bazookas and .50-cals, but that's over the top for most of us.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because the Constitution may or may not say so if we rewrite it!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well first you have to realize that when the constitution was written nuclea weapons rocket launchers and the like did not exist'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wish the U.S. wasn't run by lobbyists and fucktards. You could always just "repeal" the 2nd amendment or amend it by adding another amendment. But that'd require the states to not be idiots.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So if government and the rich have armed guard's at thier childrens school, tell me why that idea is not feasable in some form in the rest of our schools? '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'second id you want to own a cannon i belive there is nothing stopping you from doing so'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody said it's not feasible. But how are you going to fund it? How are you going to ensure they're trained, capable and not idiots? The larger the number needed, the harder it'll be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, they are DEAD WRONG. Mass shootings have FAILED to have been stopped by armed guards are MULTIPLE schools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'might need a licence but yea'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Because whether your neighbor does or not, the gang member on your street does. There have been cases where kids playing in their living room have gotten shot through the wall when there was a drive-by outside their house.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, isn't that nice. My neighbor has a cannon. I am glad I live next to him.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, no, armed guards won't stop it at all!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And the point of the matter is that the NRA is arguing that the ONLY way to stop mass shootings and/or limit the scope of their damage is through armed guards stationed at every single school, not gun legislation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Blanket statement Yuna, that is false.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Which is an outright lie.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Armed guards are too visible. You know they're carrying, you take them out first.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What's a blank statement that is false, Snooky?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, you are happy with the fact that the only purpose of a gun is to kill. Please, don't be my neighbor.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm waiting.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't want the last thing I ever hear is you saying to me "opps, my bad"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That armed people cannot stop shootings AT ALL, false. You can't just base your argument of of those few cases.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When the FUCK did I say that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Concealed carry is where the chance to stop massacres happens, not visibly armed people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So, no, armed guards won't stop it at all!''
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That FOLLOWED "There have been cases where they failed".'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In the strictest sense of the world, armed guards at every single school WON'T stop mass shootings from happening. Because it WON'T.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I missed that, my bad yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no but armed people would stand a better chance at defending the country if our liberty were ever at risk of being taken a way'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait, you are saying that if Columbine had armed guards there would not have been any killings?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'There's a difference in phrasing, Yuna. "won't stop it at all" is not the same as "won't stop it all"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Columbine HAD at least one armed guard.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So did one of the schools where there was a mass shooting this past week.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am sorry, Elchanan. So while we armed citizens do all the defending. What will the armed forces be doing?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Mass shootings are rare as it is Yuna.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So did Virginia Tech (I think). And plenty of other places where there were mass shootings.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'no, I'm saying if some of the teachers had concealed carry permits, there probably would have been fewer casualties.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'aha, Lacrimosa. The operative phrase is "fewer casualties", you cannot prevent the attacks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless, of course, the gun men were just walking around shooting randomly and killing anyone they saw. The teachers would have to be highly trained.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im sorry anaristo but 300 million armed people will be alot harder to get through than our military'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'even by our standards in the us, yes they are rare. No matter how frequent liberals want them to be to further their agenda.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'No, Anaristos, but you can NEVER prevent the attacks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are joking Elchanan, that is funny.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not to mention that what happens if the threat is internal'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And as Anaristos says: The NRA is still LYING since that wouldn't PREVENT mass shootings at all. And it still wouldn't be the ONLY way to get the same results.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'How the flying FUCK are there 300 million armed people in the U.S:+'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'When there are only 315 million people in the U.S. to begin with?!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's pretty much every single person over the age of... what, 13?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are  saying that a professional armed forces can not do as well as you in defending the country. So why are 3E13 USD being spent on them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I see you're a stooge of the Gun Lobby. And also one of those idiots who dreams of the day when they can join the Insurgency and fight against the U.S. government for glory. Or just another George Zimmerman waiting to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'over stated the number armed of course just to make a point'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'History has taught us that there is strength in numbers. What is the size of the US military compared to 300mil?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what if its the professional armed forces that need to be defended agains'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'In the case of a mass shooting, all you can do is respond when it does happen--drop them like the murdering dogs they've already shown themselves to be, double-tap to center mass and the head. That means someone around there has to have a weapon on them, and the gunman can't know they carry or he'll go after them first.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US population is to apathetic to rise against the government, most of those in the bushes with militias could be said to be certifiable.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What point? That you love guns more than you love people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'besides any forgien threat would most likely go after the professional military first'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with foreign threats.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is right, Lacrimosa. And mass shootings would not happen if people didn't have guns, obviously people having gun can't prevent them and, in fact, it widens the pool from where the mass shooters can emerge.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's about arming the populace in case they need/want to rise up against the U.S. government. And the sad thing is that many (most?) of the most ardent gun nuts in the U.S. today are dreaming of just such a scenario.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it does not specify the threat it talkes about security of a free state'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's why they want as much access to as many kinds of guns as possible: So they'll be able to fight against the U.S. government when the Day of Insurgency comes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'thats a pretty low argument Yuna, that's implying that those who want to protect the 2nd ammendment are all less sensitive to the loss of human life then yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'They'd get them from somewhere anyway, Anaristos. Ever seen kids who want to drink, smoke, or have sex? The fact that they can't buy alcohol or tobacco or condoms under a certain age doesn't mean a damn thing, they'll find a way to get them anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The amendment doesn't state so, but the history behind it does.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm is there really an age limit on condoms'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Except that's not what I said at all, Snooky.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I said some some (most?) of the MOST ARDENT gun  NUTS.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'some places, Elchanan, you can't buy them if you're under the age of consent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you calling most of those who want to protect the 2nd amendment "some of the MOST ARDENT gun NUTS"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't believe that, Lacrimosa. Who would sell them the weapons?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Greedy bastards?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we'll get to that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'There's already a black market for them, has been since they started restricting them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Also the NRA doesn't represent ALL gun owners. They give us a bad name in the media. They really only represent its own members.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What part of "I'm talking about specific people" are you not getting, Snooky?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not once have I claimed that all gun owners are this and that. Or even most of them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Okay noted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You want to own firearms that can be logically argued to be necessary for the purposes of self-defense? I'll never be able to talk anyone in a position of power in the U.S. into banning those, I won't even touch upon them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yeah, I'll never be an NRA member. Still, the liberal backlash against gun owners and their desire to ban all guns smacks of pure irrational fear, not logic.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Keep your handguns or whatever. You want to own assault rifles and high-capacity firearms? Nope. We need to start regulating that shit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So because there are some ardent gun nuts...all citizens should have their rights infringed upon?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Please point towards any serious movement AT ALL at the moment to ban ALL guns, Lacrimosa.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The U.S. constitution does NOT ensure the right of the populace to own ANY kind of arms. Also, you are ALREADY having those "rights" infringed upon.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'give some one an inch and theyll take a mile ....'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I don't see people being issued rocket launcher licenses.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'There have been too many people calling for it...thankfully their leadership have cooler heads and the ability to see that such a proposal would bring this country to the brink of civil war.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what i do see yuna is people being able to buy model rocket engines with no license '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You could argue that even a handgun is not suitable for self defense of your home in some cases. A woman shot an intruder in the face like 4 times and the chest twice with a 6 shot revolver. It barely stopped him, if she had missed a few times it may not have been enough. Our semi auto rifles are fine and should remain legal along with our magazines.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'can also buy black powder'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the FUCK do model rocket engines have to do wit anything?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'You need to be over a certain age, I think, but that's it'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, you want to start regulating that? Be my guest.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Model rocket engines can be used to propel small rockets, Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Full auto assult rifles are also heavily regulated as well. Almost impossible to own'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'fertilzer should be regulated too'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and they have a charge at the end that blows out the paracute in most cases'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fertilizer IS regulated.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'It is, anymore, Vost'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and they have a charge at the end that blows out the paracute in most casesdebate that will ignite a payload'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Laughing Lacrimosa nods at Elchanan.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I wanna know why the U.S. only regulates shit AFTER someone's misused them. Oklahoma bombings (or whichever bombings it was)? Quickly, start regulating shit which can be used to make home-made bombs! Mass shootings in schools? Quickly, start trying to regulate certain types of firearms. 9/11? All of a sudden, we need to make it harder to hijack planes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I want about a dozen shots possible in my pistol magazine, enough to stop two intruders.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'knowledge can be the biggest danger but most people do tend to use knowledge in a responsible manort'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's never "Let's try to think of ways in which these things can be misused and regulate them so people won't be able to misuse them!".'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Don't forget lawn darts Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well it should be obvious that if some one buys that much fertilizer that should need some sort of business license '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its commercial quantities'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I just like to buy in bulk to save money :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't even get me started on overzealous regulation. Banning Kinder Eggs and imposing a 2500 dollar fine on importing them? Really?!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is there a Candy Lobby paying the politicians to ban Kinder Eggs?!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yuna, they DO try to think of those things...and have regulations on many chemicals that can be used to make bombs and such. There's the habit of human ingenuity though...and someone will always find a loophole you haven't blocked already.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Willy Wonka maybe?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'where's that, Yuna?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fucking United States of America, Lacrimosa!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'A mother recently drove across the Canadian-U.S. border with her son. A random search yielded ONE Kinder Egg. She was let go with a warning, but warned that she could've been fined 2500 dollars for the CRIME of importing Kinder Eggs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '50lb bag of fertilizer im pretty sure you dont need a license to buy'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'hadn't heard of that one--and it's because of the choking hazard'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Banning private ownership of candy? Insane.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what else presents choking hazards for kids? 100000000 varieties of toys found in the U.S:'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's LEGOs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'And they're all labeled as not suitable for kids under a certain age.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And why can't you do that with Kinder Eggs?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: '"Kinder Eggs are sold all over the world excluding the United States, because of the choking hazard. The 1938 Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act contains a section[full citation needed] highlighting that a confectionery product with a non-nutritive object, partially or totally imbedded within it, cannot be sold within the United States, unless the FDA issues a regulation that the non-nutritive object has functional value. No such regulation has been issued"  source:Wikipedia'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'because they're covered under that law, which doesn't apply to toys'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we should ban people from buying planes yall'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The law is bad it should feel bad.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'including model Jets'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'you can't have someone make you a candy shell that holds your engagement ring for a surprise proposal to your girlfriend, either...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It also doesn't explain why a private citizen cannot bring a Kinder Egg or two into the U.S.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no more acid for swimming pools'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Fining people for bringing in a SINGLE Kinder Egg for PRIVATE USE? Insane.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'time for me to google kinder eggs'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not draino'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'nor a bunch of solvents'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and fertilizer'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'lots of them are restricted already, Elchanan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like what'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'All of the things you just said.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I don't disagree that the FDA needs a whole revamp, Yuna--a lot of its regulations are stupid, both on food and the pharmaceutical industry.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'name some'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i was jsut giving categorys'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'solvents and fertilizer?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, pilot licenses. Possibly plane ownership, but I'm just guessing there.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But never let facts stand in the way of your rambling.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'name a solvent'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That's a very broad and STUPID question.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'alcohol'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'name one that is banned'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'The stronger solvents like benzene and xylene are regulated, fertilizers are limited quantities unless you have a farm and can prove secure storage.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'denatured alch and be bought very easy'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'but that's a WEAK solvent'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'as is acetone'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'acetone regulated since when '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'acetone isn't. It's a weak solvent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By that logic, let's ban water.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'welders use xylene'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because that shit is a solvent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'the strong solvents are regulated.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'acetone is a lovely solvent'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'yes, but as solvents go, it's fairly weak'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What exactly is your point? We're already regulating all of thsi shit, thus we should also regulate guns more?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why, I agree!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and is chloroform weak'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In what alternate universe is chloroform a solvent?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the fact that you put it on newspaper and whatch the letters melt away'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So does water. What's your point?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Chloroform can be misused easily, though, and so it's been regulated for a long time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And what Lacrimosa said.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you have an actual point, Elchanan, or are you just trying to make the opposition's (i.e. "my" side's) case for them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the ingredients for chloroform are easy to obtain'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Formaldehyde used to be used as a disinfectant, but people found ways to abuse that, too, so they regulated it. And it fell into disuse when better disinfectants with lower toxicity were discovered.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'bezene can be done too'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I know, let's regulate carbon dioxide.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Someone will always find a way around whatever current regulatory system is in place, usually by finding something not regulated that can be used in a similar way or by manufacturing the regulated product clandestinely. No one ever expected a hijacked jet to be used to attack, so 9/11 wasn't really preventable. However, they still had detained one of the hijackers before it happened--just not all of them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because, clearly, Elchadan won't be happy 'til we regulate the sale, use and availability of ANY substance that can be used to render people unconscious. Or something.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( work of fiction )
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And unless we regulate EVERYTHING that can be misused first, we cannot regulate gun sales!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we don't know who the hijackers were. They are all dead.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yuna, it's difficult to regulate something naturally occurring.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we have regulated guns!!!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You sould regulate gun sales MORE.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Elchanan, do you oppose mandatory universal federal background checks with firearms sales?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Gun sales ARE regulated to some extent, but there are still loopholes that need to be closed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I can buy a fully auto 50 cal can i'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Simple question, yes or no'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Elchanan, do you oppose mandatory universal federal background checks with firearms sales?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I do support at most universial backround checks. '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"At most":'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The correct, sane, answer is AT LEAST. And this is where I'm pretty much done with you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yes Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'But the question was not posed to you, Snooky. It was posed to Elchanan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know, I was just throwing that in.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'whats that even supposed to mean'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is English not your native language, Elchanan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you support or oppose mandatory federal background checks with the sales of firearms? Let me translate that into grade 2 English.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what are they checking to make sure im not a convicted felon'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I do think we could use Universal backround checks, as much as possible. But further regulations on the types of guns we can own is not neccessary. The line for that has allready been drawn.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you wanna buy a gun, should government do tests on your record to see if you're insane or a crimina lfirst? Yes or no?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or to make sure i have no parking tickets'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Stop being willfully obtuse.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so i jot this j walking ticket once'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know very well what they check for. Yes or no.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Universal background checks are a part of a balanced approach, along with ammunition purchase limits, and restrictions on purchase of certain classes of weapons to law enforcement and military.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so if my neighbor gets a bazooka, more power to him. Maybe he could install a howitzer in the backyard.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's been 10 minutes and you have yet to answer this very simple question. I suspect I know why.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why limit ammo ... im sure theres people out there who will go to a range and fire 500 rounds in a weekend'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he secretly hopes that someday he will shoot someone dead, that's why he won't give up his guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anaristos, if such things were even legal to own. You are the one that has a problem with said neighbor and you would be the one that has to move. '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I don't believe that mental illness should be an automatic red flag, though. Schizophrenia and paranoia, sure, but with 1 in 3 people suffering from depression at some point in their lives, that seems...extreme.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, that's not why. I suspect that's true as well, but it's not why he won't answer the question.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Elchanan, I'm talking about the people who stockpile 10k rounds of a single type.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I suspect it's because he DOESN'T support universal federal background checks and even HE knows that's a STUPID thing not to support and even he is too ashamed of it to stand up for his convictions on this channel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'criminals should not be able to buy guns mental health is subjective to some extent'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I can fire off 300 rounds of pistol ammo in a day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I love the way you refine it, Lacrimosa. So you think that some person with chronic depression should own a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure depression isn't classified as a mental illness and that not everyone who's ever been depressed are automatically disqualified from owning a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but i do belive that people can reform from criminal life'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Depression is subjective Anaristos. Depression does not equal clinically insane'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so it is schizophrenia'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Anaristos, chronic depression is a different issue than having a history of depression at some period in the past.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Answer the fucking question, Elchanan.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'schizophrenics are not clinically insane either.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do you support or oppose mandatory federal background checks?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, but they're mentally ill.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: '"insane" is not a clinical word'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and should be able to get thier rights reinstated and last time i check that ability was given to the attorney general who delegated it to the ATF and who does not fund the apilication process curently'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so are people with chronic depresssion'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, pretty sure "insane" isn't a clinical term AND that being schizo is one of the TOP reasons as to why you'd lose your right to own a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'It does qualify as a mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so does chronic depression'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'psychotic illness should be a bar'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aaaand Elchanan is still refusing to answer the very simple question.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'only the most severe depression is psychotic'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so what states dont have any sort of background check'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'and Yuna, yes, depression has a bunch of codes... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DSM-IV_Codes#Depressive_disorders'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, so you are saying that a "normally" depressed person has good judgment as to whom to shoot. That if I run into an armed chronically depressed person I should feel safe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Answer the fucking question!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'From a statistic standpoint. MOST people don't go on mass shooting sprees. Including whatever depressed or schitzo's may have guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What exactly is that supposed to be in response to, Lacrimosa? When did I claim they didn't?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it really does not matter  '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would pass the damn think yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: '[24 Jan 04:21:30] (Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure depression isn't classified as a mental illness and that not everyone who's ever been depressed are automatically disqualified from owning a gun.''
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'i hope that most schizos don't gain access to guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Who the FUCK cares about YOU, Elchanan? The world doesn't revolve around you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'depression certainly is classified as a mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'depression certainly is a mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'OIC, Lacrimosa.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, that's good, statistics. So am the 1 in 10000 thousand who gets shot, for instance, I should feel ok, because it was within the standard deviation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Answer the fucking question, Elchanan. Should there be mandatory federal background checks for the sales of each firearm?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and if a criminal really wanted a gun they could still get it'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes or No?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And there you have it!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'If anyone really wanted a gun, they could still get it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'a check that says you can buy a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'therefore make guns freely available?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You just invalidated everything you have to say on the matter. Not that you've added ANY coherent or logical arguments insofar!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but no check that tells registers every time i buy one'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Late to the party, but background checks don't show medical history, and wouldn't show if you had a mental illness.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'thats a shitty gotcha Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or even weather i actually bought one or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, you are guaranteeing that none of the "good guy" citizens that you will allow to arm won't turn criminial. '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why the fuck not? What's to prevent you from making yourself ineligible from owning a firearm and then going back to the same dealer?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If they can't check if you're eligible again, there's no way for them to know you're ineligible.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Wouldn't hippa screw with the possibility of reporting mental illness for background checks?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's not a gotcha at all. If you don't support universal background checks, you have no credibility. At all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'you could just be a states rights kind of guy also'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'bullshit yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'make it good for 1 year'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'No, Aldeas, HIPAA allows it on a limited basis for background checks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHY Elchanan? WHY?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you allready have 5 guns whats it matter any ways if you become ineligible'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anaristos there is no guarantee that I or someone else is not going to drive drunk either. You can't retroactivlely legislate like that, You are essentially saying that ALL gun owners are criminals.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you become ineligible, they'll fucking confiscate your guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'because i dont want someone to know look this guy owns these 5 guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Makes sense, but like with a criminal record you have a court case that you can look up etc because its public record.  So wouldnt that make the mental illness part of a background impratical on a large scale?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'For the most part, people aren't going to go through background checks and buy 5 or 10 guns in a year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Someone already knows you own those 5 guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or did you not register them?!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so you need another background check to sell the gun ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or do you live in a state which doesn't require the registration of firearms?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You don't have to register guns in every state'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yeah, there are many people whose mental illness doesn't get caught.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'as it should be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You know what, Snooky, just don't respond to anything I say.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or could i walk into a pawn shop and say hey ill trade you this gun for cash'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Big Gov wants to confiscate my guns...they are only going to get the ones they know about.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Most states don't require hunting weapons to be registered. Handguns, though, are usually required to be registered.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Laughing Lacrimosa nods at Snooky.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Good to know where on the Gun Nut scale you are, Snooky.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so you go from a state that needs registered to one that does not do you need to deregister the gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Have fun waiting for the Big Insurgency for your chance at glory.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'no, you just need to register your change of address, Elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hell you can build your own rifle shotgun pistol and you dont even need a serial number on it'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'true enough.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Supporting my rights makes me nuts, right. And there is nothing nutty about the way you debate and talk to people at all Yuna.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky rolls his eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but just because i moved out of the state does not mean my gun moved with me'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You don't support universal background checks OR firearms registration. You don't support firearms registration because you think the government will come after you to confiscate your guns some day and if they do, you'll only give them the guns "they know about". Because you want to keep your other guns... probably to fight that same government.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sounds sane to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'If you didn't take it with you, then that's considered a transfer of ownership.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, you're confusing derision, contempt and outright hatred for insanity.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and just because i did not move does not mean the gun did not move'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What the hell is that even supposed to mean?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'two houses'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'storage'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And this has what bearing on the issues at hand?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sometimes, I like to put my guns in storage or move between houses, thus we shouldn't legislate gun control laws into place?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you said if you of 5 guns and become ineligible they confiscate them'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how would they do so if they have no clue weather or not you sold them'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or trasfered them'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Because new laws would prevent you from just selling them willy nilly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yuna, if this country's government confiscates weapons, the likely next steps would be removal of other rights guaranteed under the constitution. I register the ones that require registration and don't bother about the others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'And what about black market sales'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so your saying that i need to pass a background check to sell a gun to'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'lacrimosa, I'm talking about the confiscation of guns from those who've lost the right to own them. You know, felons and the mentally ill.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Black market sales will still happen, cash under the table will still happen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'even if its to a authorized dealer'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you're diagnosed as psychotic or commit murder, the government WILL confiscate your guns. And only the criminally insane wouldn't oppose that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, the fucking authorized dealer would. And if you register that sale, then it's rightfully theirs and why would hte government come to YOU to confiscate it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I don't think anyone is arguing that Yuna, I certainly am not.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, but Lacrimosa is misunderstanding me for Goddess knows why, Snooky.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm not advocating random confiscation of firearms.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If you smoke pot, you're not allowed to own a gun in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'just sayin''
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well thats bullshit Leinei! lol That should not be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'that is a whole nother issue though'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's as of yet a felony. And I don't care what the potlovers says, smoking pot impairs your judgment, makes you loopy and can induce psychosis.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It should not be a felony though Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'small amounts for personal use isn't a felony in my state'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"small amounts" is like...really small amounts, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i belive its a felony to posses small amounts at the same time as a firearm tho'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah thats because it is associated with drug dealing, which would not be a problem if weed was fuckin legal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Huh...if your spouse, parent, or child has been convicted of a violent crime, even if it's a misdemeanor, you can't buy a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Never knew that'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What state is that in, Leinei? Also, source?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'federal law'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Sounds reasonable to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'the Lautenburg Amendment'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That's a little unfair'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the requiring registration on firearms would infringe if you ask me '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Actually, that's not what the Lautenberg Amendment says.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Firearms dealers are under ever increasing pressure to avoid straw purchases (a purchase made by a non-prohibited person on behalf of a prohibited person). This means that people married to, cohabiting with, or associated with a domestic violence offender can come under very close scrutiny by dealers and law enforcement agencies during the sales process."'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'background check ok but no need to associate it with the actuall purchases'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Yeah, I think the NC sheriff's pamphlet that talks about it might have a typo.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yuna, would you support the mutant registration program?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'says "commited by" when I think it means "commited against"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's North Carolina, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'If someone who lives with you can't buy a gun, it's reasonable to expect that they could gain access to yours if you bought one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The law should be expanded to also include the mentally ill.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky is agreeing with that Laughing Lacrimosa person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'still, didn't realize that a misdemanor domestic violence conviction meant you couldn't own a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Isn't that what happened with the guy that got turned down and took his mother's?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I have had to deal with that problem before'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Anonymous sources claimed Lanza was turned down because he did not want to undergo a background check or abide by the state's waiting period for gun sales."'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Do you want to see someone living with a person who has a DV conviction buy the weapon that's later used to terrify and/or kill her?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'As far as I know, he was eligible. He was just impatient.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Well, if he didn't want to deal with the requirements, then he shouldn't get one. With power comes responsibility.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless, of course, suffering from Aspberger's Syndrome makes you ineligible to own a firearm.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Adam Lanza's mother Nancy Lanza may also not have been the best mother: "According to Nancy Lanza's sister-in-law, she was a gun enthusiast and owned at least a dozen firearms. She often took her two sons to a local shooting range"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Her other son says they believed Adam Lanza to have suffered from a personality disorder. He was reportedly diagnosed with Aspbergers. But let's train him in how to shoot!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'What's wrong with that? She was teaching them to use the weapons responsibly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Get to the bad mother part...that 1st part sounded normal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fact that he had a condition and possible mental illness. The family believed him to be suffering from a personality disorder.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Asperger's isn't, by itself, a mental illness.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't call Aspbergers a mental ilness. The personality disorder part. Focus on it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Lanza's brother also called Adam "somewhat autistic".'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'So he got diagnosed with aspergers but a personality disorder just slid by?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i have a friend who while at his moms place in NC, had some one drive a boat up to the shore and star yelling for Sheela  when they were told to leave and did not the mother called the police.. while on the phone she shined a light at the boat to try and read the numbers on the side and when she did a guy got out of the boat and started to walk toward her house. upon telling the police operator this they asked her if she had a gun she said "yes" and they said well make sure its loaded and take aim.... '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Let's see... Aspbergers, believed to have a personality disorder. "Somewhat autistic". Not the kind of person I'd take to the shooting range on a regular basis.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Except for the assburgers, there is nothing wrong with training your children to be comfortable and knowledeable about firearm use and saftey at an early age.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aldeas: You cannot be diagnosed unless you submit yourself to testing. Aspbergers can be diagnosed much easier than some personality disorders. It's also possible he was diagnosed with Aspbergers early and hadn't yet developed the personality disorder.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'Yes, Asperger's is a form of autism... Getting Asperger's diagnosed is pretty easy, personality disorders can be hidden for a while if you don't want people to find out.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I didn't say that, Snooky.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Training this PARTICULAR CHILD was a bad idea and the warning signs were numerous.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in the end no one got shot but my friend did get the nice expecience of dispatching someone via loaded shot gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think you have the right to shoot a home intruder in NC if you feel your life is in danger'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'you have that in most states'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Do some states also limit where you can shoot home intruders? Like, if you shoot them in non-vital spots, that's a-Ok. But if your first instinct is to go for the head, then that's kinda manslaughterish?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah laws vary quite a bit'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think you have to stop shooting them if they stop being a threat, but that's about it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'In CCW class they teach you to try to make sure not to shoot an attacker or intruder in the back if possible.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Or at least drag them into the house after you shoot them'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And maybe put a knife in their hand or something if they turn out to be unarmed'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'if you are in fear for your life, just shoot to kill. it doesn't take that much to be able to fire a gun back if they have one. Besides, if you just wound them, there's that damned risk of them coming back and suing you, even if they DID break into your house.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so why in cali are you not allowed to posses a baton but you can posses a bull whip'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Bull whips can be sex toys...batons not so much'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'eh, batons could be too, depends on your kinks'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'have you seen some of these sex toys? Might as well call them batons'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'first object to break the sound bearer is a bullwhip... i think i would rather the baton as a sex toy'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and the handle part of a bull whip is essentally a baton'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'I'd rather the bullwhip, not a baton, but I'd only let someone who was really skilled with one have any chance in hell of it coming near my skin'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'bull whips can cut right through skin'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMGsM-CBbME'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is a chain whip taking out a coke can'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Y1q1_EocU'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is bull whip slicing a potato'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is also the dude cutting a plastic bottle in half as if a potato was not enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Laughing Lacrimosa: 'that takes a skilled person, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, I've seen a guy cut a cucumber by throwing a playing card, so...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'for the people that says that israel is not comiting genocide, look what they do on their spare time in palestinian land http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=59Vjd1uzb8k I warn you that is a very hardcore video. If you can get offended for hardcore real images, then dont watch it'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haha, piers morgan got the flu after getting the flu shot'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it someone can be arrested for refusing to allow the electricity company to install a wireless electric meter on their private property?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I presume they tried tampering with the old one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she was arrested when she refused to give them access then stood in their way'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were me i'd have got a shotgun with beanbag rounds'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something was seriously fucked up there'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all you can do is refuse service, and they would remove the old meter and you would have no power.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so why were they there?  They don't just go around installing shit just because, so there must have been a good reason.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'arresting does not make sense.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess that's it, riz, if it were me and i cared that much, i'd have gone without'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you get evicted in that case.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'install your own power generation'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides, you can't get evicted from your own property unless you're causing a danger'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most likely because you weren't smart enough to have your generation scheme in place with your hand on the switch.  Without water or electric, you can't live there under the law.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what law?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'occupancy laws.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what occupancy laws?
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, that is not true....you can live in your own home without power or water.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're probably talking about specific city ordnances'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have about 18 cabins in northern alaska that do not have water, and power is not needed if you want to provide your own generator.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is not coming for your guns........ except most of them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=heAssC-3aMo'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they are working to define an assault weapon as anything with a clip size greater than 10 bullets.  If they get that, it means most handguns would also be illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't you guys impeached him yet?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'given that Biden is still next in line, he's basically unimpeachable.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hoohoo, good luck with that....my p90 has 50 bullets :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I just ordered 5 more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a lot of bluster coming from DC, but i doubt it'll get through'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it needs real Americans who actually know what the constitution to stand and tell them to fuck off back to their own country'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gun sales are up 180%'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the gun industry is having its BEST year EVER.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in Obama's case Kenya/Indionesia, in Janet Napolitano's case, North Korea, Joe Biden's case the old peoples home, and in Diane Feinstein's case, Mars'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'biden wont get elected president....he is a moron.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he hasnt learned how to keep his mouth shut.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'women are from Venus, dude.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that the USA is the last country to fall.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it falls, we're all fucked'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope you realise that'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're too big to fail.  Bail us out, motherfuckers!'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fall, not fail'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kzT6X3_Bg9o'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'apparently obama wants to start a civil war...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'where were you for the last 4 years?'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'in canada'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Santher, i was talking about that a few days ago and Yuna was poo-pooing it because the source was a retired Lt General William Boykin, and apparently that isn't a credible source'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because he only said and the government didn't publish it through MSNBC, it doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US people are afraid...they have created a society based on fear ever since the 1700s.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher laffs.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'there's a lot of crazy redneck americans too that are well aremed...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but those of us who pay attention know they've been putting in "shooting americans" in the training for years'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'go to texas and learn to shoot a semi auto rifle'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently the chinese people/government call Obama "The Monkey Man"'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's not a reference to his race'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Santher nods.
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'join a street gang, no need to go to Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'true enough i guess... but texas wants to make it state law to shoot federal agents...'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'please dont come to Texas, we have enough whackos here.  *peer*'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Santher: 'wyoming too'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, i heard an interview with Garrow before'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scary stuff, but nothing new, just reinforces evidence already seen'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first time i'd heard the China angle though'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've been talking the China angle since Clinton was in office.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'havent' seen it with reference to disarmament t hough'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Brady bill was from said era, as well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i fear for you guys'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you aren't familiar, that was the assault-weapons ban in place when Columbine happened.'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The plane is about to land at Glasgow Airport, passengers are reminded to set their watches back 25years'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without the availability of guns, USAmericans 'd be more rude to each other -- and there'd be more violence (like in England) '
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite likely'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and with collectivism bankrupting the country, nobody will be able to afford their own house... just like the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did i mention that the UK is shit and bankrupt? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'maybe once'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or twice'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a minute'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, wanted to drill that home :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't want to go down that route'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody owns those houses in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people who bought them 50 years ago when they were affordable :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, people my age and younger have essentially had their aspirations stolen from them by the generations that preceded us'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody owns those houses that the tenants are renting in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, that's right'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly corporations or businesses'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government pays them to house welfare recipients'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guaranteed income'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'govt does that here also, it is called section 8'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you also have a significant amount of social engineering going on here, nobody was allowed to build except housing corporations, with the execption of within existing village envelopes, which means every house that had a garden now instead has other houses in the grounds'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the smallholdings and farms got seperated from their land and sold off'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perpetual housing shortage plus exploding population means the house prices shot up, from 3-4x salary to 10-15x salary'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and those houses that are for sale are shithole shoeboxes crammed in ontop of other shithole shoeboxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd love to move to america, but looks like there soon isn't going to be one'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'permitting immigration of overbreeders likely worsened the situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it did, thanks to signing our soul over to the EU'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meant we had no control over our borders'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Britain committed genocide in the Fiji islands by letting the India overbreeders to emigrate to and populate Fiji -- the original inhabitants are lkikely soon a minority and then extinct'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably, empire-era britain caused most of the shit we have today, India vs Pakistan, Palestine, the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-01-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would the world look like if, in 1941 when Rudolf Hess flew over to England to try and broker a coalition with us against Russia, we'd agreed, there'd probably seen the fall of communist USSR, China would never have gone communist, or N Korea'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'hi'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'sup'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caninkus: 'Howdy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caninkus: 'Howdy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'legend you misspelt battle in your desc'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'I'm not such a big fan of texas but anyway...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto rapidly nods twice at LegendGod, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'it matters not'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): LegendGod mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'BBBLLLEEEEEEEHHHHHH!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto turns slowly to an Elder Wyrm and lovingly says "Random THIS!".
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'o.O'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): LegendGod tapes a picture over Aardwolf, then paints "EverQuest" on it.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'Not random,my cousin ate a dead fly'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'why did he do that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'he's small,too small to know whats edible and whats not'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'i see'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'he even ate dogs food'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'who a south african?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people in south africa.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LegendGod: 'i said who over here is one?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Feinstein Gun Control Bill would exempt government officials. WTF???'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That way stargate command can still use their mp5's'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's dodgier than a $7 note'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sign in Tahrir Square: 'Obama you jerk, Muslim Brotherhoods are killing the Egyptians'...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tina turner to give up passport and apply for citizenship in Sweden'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err Switzerland'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Sweden, fuck that, like that'd be likely'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the swiss rule....they hid a lot of nazi loot.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Assault rfile ownership is compulsory for men of a certain age'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Swiss have an underground shelter for almost 98% of their population....smart people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas 15yr old takes out home invader with father's assault rifle'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'defends his 12yr old sister'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'That poor invader'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Krache giggles.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Hopefully people will think twice before robbing that kid ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'home invasions in Texas are pretty low compared to Chicago and NYC, wonder why'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Tell me about it, guns are uber restricted here in Chicago -.-'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hope the kid killed the bastard.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plug him with 30 rounds.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, he hit him multiple times. if he didn't die then i'd question how these weapons are "weapons of mass destruction" as some fucknut democrat senator said'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drones are weapons of mass destruction, not fucking rifles'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Cigarettes are more of a WMD than firearms...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'SSRi's are'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'What is SSRi?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Selective seretonin reuptake inhibitors, a class of prescription medication that is used for mental disorders, but also overprescribed for troublesome children, heart conditions and others'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'side effects include psychotic episodes, suicide, death'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about every single mass shooting in the USA in the last 30 years was committed by someone on SSRi's'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'What do you mean its a seretonin dump? or regulates to dispersal of seretoin'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Messing with the brain with pharma's is always a bad idea.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Agreed Rizgoth, 15 years of Ritalin did me no good.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it prevents the reabsorption, krache'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prescription drugs kill 160,000 americans a year'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nah. some drugs are pretty awesome and relatively safe'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'assault rifles around 450'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We used to keep violent whackos in mental hospitals until Reagan released the hounds, and closed down the US federal mental health system to save $8 billion a year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in hindsight that was a dumbarse idea, though the trouble is, Obama's lot are using mental health officials to target political dissidents'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's not the first dictator to do so, however'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'where do you get this shit? glenn beck?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what shit?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Glenn Beck is still around?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who is glenn beck ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glenn beck last seen disappearing up his own arse in a deserted shopping mall north of dallas'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'LOL Glenn Beck use to be one of Fox News' casters'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'isnt he that guy who used to have a show on fox news?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and now sits in a dark room muttering about how stupid he was to go conservative from liberal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'He made statements liek crazy and referred to quiz cards to prove his points'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts sounds like him sometimes'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Never citing credible links or anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just like nuts, krache ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'You can't trust a guy whose most influential moment of his life was when he didn't get a bike for Christmas one year -.-'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'even on aardwolf im surrounded by liberals, like living in Massachusetts wasnt enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Slaymore!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'I'm over here in upstate NY, it's not a lot better'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'April 15th 1998 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association quotes 106,000 a year die from properly prescribed medications'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'ny and cali are probably the worst'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/15/health/deadly-dose-jackson-rummler/'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '28,764 died rfom accidental overdoses'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, i don't think you're bullshitting with prescription drug deaths'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.enlightenamerica.com/files/Over-Prescribed.pdf is a bit out of death'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit out of date'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then what are you shitting your pants about THIS time?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but source the "obama is sending dissidents to mental institutions" please'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google Brandon Raub'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's not an isolated case'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Just because it happened once, doesn't mean you can make a blanket statement.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an isolated case'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'so you say'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '28,768 separate or included in the 106,000'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither, zade, different sets different dates, latest figures are 160,000 a year from both'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, how exactly is obama involved? did he give an executive order to arrest the guy or what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its always the liberals fault.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's in charge'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Soviets used to send dissidents to psychiatric wards -- is Barack Obama a soviet communist sleeper-mole'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he passed the law to enable the nsa to trawl people's private facebook postings'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'and they aren't private'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression i'm talking to mentally ill people'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir points excitedly at an elemental called Zadest!
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I get the impression your a dumbass, but I wasn't going to say anything.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're*'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you think it's acceptable that if you badmouth a public figure on facebook, that it's justified to send the secret service to pick you up and have you commited to a mental isntitution with due process?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Thank you Dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I badmouth public figures constantly on my facebook, including Obama, no SS here, sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, nuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you're not an army vet'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but you're so fucking paranoid that you assume and believe that it was obama personally'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never said it was Obama personally'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'oh so it only matters if I was in the army?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'my bad.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not someone reporting the post and then someone in an office somewhere overreacting'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, you tell me'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'free-speech in a public medium is not a license to utter threats and or incite violence -- some of those public facebook posting were likely bording on criminal'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fuck yeah you did'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I'm sorry, you aren't dumb, just bat shit crazy.  And you aren't even American.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't agree with the practice, i'm not bent on blaming everything on obama either'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of what the Republican talkshows are saying is likely bordering on the criminal'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and there are factual things to give him shit for. gitmo for example'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i blame the establishment'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and he's at the top of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when Bush was president, i'd blame him'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my only problem with obama is his stance on energy.....so far he has not exactly been pro job.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you blame him for everything. including shitty weather'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i'm "batshit crazy" for laying blame at the person who's ultimate responsibility it is......'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fuck you'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all presidents should be pro job.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you're the kind of person that likes to blame absolutely anything and everything else for things except the actual culprit'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'obama is the worst president in history'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I wouldn't say worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Bush did afterall slingshot us into the worst recession since when??'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since his dad.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'so that gives obama the right to spend into oblivion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'he is "pro job", just not the kind of job you favour...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'As far as I am concerned there has been no American President worth his weight in salt for many years'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pro-blowjob?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or pro-inside-job?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'so was slick willie, but that wasn't the type of job that helped the economy'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obama is only doing what he can to stimulate the economy....it is called deficit spending, and it works.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more education, infrastructure, rather than oil, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Glenn Beck was likely bordering on the criminal or mentally incompetent or perhaps a "raving lunatic" (unless he was deliberately trolling, but if he believed what he was saying on tv .. ) '
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'raising taxes does the opposite of stimulate'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'If we legalized prostitution we could make tons of money'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont need more education, we spend enough on it and it hasnt done 'batshit' for anyone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'spending and borrowing and printing money is killing us'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'student loans are at a record high now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stimulus spending by means of taking huge amounts of money and giving it to your lobbyist owners for no work....  is not stimulus spending'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'wait till the inflation hits'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'require more inexpensive effective accurate enhancing education'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I suspect a lot of education spending isn't really on education per se... stuff like metal detectors and other security measures probably inflate spending figures, so that it appears to be greater than in other countries...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's idea of "stimulus spending on infrastructure" is burning $50bn on giving contracts to foreign companies to build 200 miles of high speed rail that nobody except the elite will be able to afford'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meanwhile, there's a housing shortage'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, most education spending is spent on admin, and not on education.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when in fact, a lot of it isn't spent effectively, or on actual teaching even.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hire more teachers, less clerks?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You have principals who make $180k a year, while teachers start at $28k'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'teacher pay needs a serious boost if you want to attract talent...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how many ivy league grads would want to teach for 30k after all?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Doesn't Denmark pay high salaries to their teachers?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Or am I thinking Sweden?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'probably both'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, some of those places. Those places with higher teacher salaries tend to attract better quality teachers'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Not to mention a better quality of education'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have tons of good teachers leaving the profession here because of stupid beurocracy and rules'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'building costs for new schools is out of control also.....because property taxes pay for them....'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'As they should, 28k isn't a lot'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no tenure for teachers -- if they are incompetent at teaching, fire and replace the those teachers'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I pay almost $4000 a year in property tax, and the schools take about 85% of that.....I dont even have kids in the damn schools...and if I did...they would be in private schools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking property taxes, that needs to go'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can fire all the teachers you want... if they're poorly paid, you aren't going to get good candidates.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'im thinking about moving to nh no income tax, no sales tax.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do they get money for local services?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'prop tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'stupid high'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'property tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bleh'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'screw that'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'i drive up there and buy stuff all the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad textbooks are mainly to blame -- if a textbook requires a teacher to explain what's in the textbook, the textbook is likely defective  (books of tables and figures are exempt when they are detailed informative reference texts)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'high property tax is a good way to equalise wealth, but it's too "communist" for many people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a good way of equalising wealth at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'move to california and tell me how you like taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have a rich person living in a small property or a poor person living in a rich property, how does that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'well you can't have a poor person living in a rich property because they cant afford it'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'eh, if a rich person is  living in a small property, he's probably not really using his wealth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, when I retire, I am moving to a place where my prop tax will be less than $1500 a year....booyah, !'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'and most rich people wont live in a poor property'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'poor property my ass'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we very much have that situation in the UK where someone has lived in their property for a long time and that property has gone from being low value to being very high value'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so here, property taxes are particularly punitive for pensioenrs'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pensioners*'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'noone forces them to live there'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'try a property with a 3 acre lake, 2 streams, 1600 sq foot home, etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and endless fishing on my dock.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'they can sell (obviously for a profit) and move to somewhere they can afford?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should they HAVE to?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'BECAUSE THEY CANT AFFORD IT'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they would not use any more resources where they move to'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'ugh'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'badly-written manuals are also to blame'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Doesn't sound like a very fucking hard concept to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the wealth distribution argument falls down, the paying according to consumption argument falls down'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no argument, you're supporting it because you're bloody minded'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and about textbooks, I don't really understand why they need to have a zillion different textbooks in the US for core content in pre-U... What's wrong with developing a few main texts for each core subject, and having other supplementary materials for non-core content?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Im not supporting anything.  But its simple fact that poor people won't live in rich properties because they can't afford it'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or I could just do what most smart people do...make all your money in a no income tax state, and when you retire....move to a high income tax state that doesnt tax certain types of income.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'even if they own the land outright, they still have to pay prop taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'then you're talkin about standardization of ciriculums across staes, which means federalization of education...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you'd make them move away from the communities they've lived in for 40 years, maybe away from their friends and their family, because of ideology'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'No, because they cant afford it'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if their property value rises, they can sell for a nice profit... I doubt your average retiree would complain in that situation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'circular logic'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its the ONLY relevance '
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'aren't you all about free market, nuts?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I retract my previous statement and I'm back to you simply being a dumbass.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not specifically, dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, it's a free market'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'property tax is not a free market'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'welcome to the peching party .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless your house has an extremely high value, the odds of gaining a profit on your property is slim now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your argument is analogous to "Fuel tax is too high", "well drive less"'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'cost of living in a neighborhood depends on the free market, if you rent'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the american dream of home ownership is a nightmare now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the property value has risen that sharply, it's doubtful that the community is the same one they're used to - probably underwent gentrification'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'no Its not'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that's not the case here, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'american africans (former slave descendents) lived for decades in a country devoloped by them -- rich whites moved in, took over the local government, raised property taxes, forced the afro-americans into bankruptcy and dispossessed the afro-americans -- blatant land-theft'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't mind high taxes if i get something good in return'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't, dagnir, but ideologically i think a combination of income taxes and sales taxes are fairer'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since they're based on income and consumption, rather than something arbitrary'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Here in Texas, prop taxes are going up so fast that you will pay more in prop tax then the house is worth.  Not a good investment to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'property taxes dbl my house payment in Dallas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'because they are high'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'wait, I know the answer to this... Its Obama's fault.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'anyway, property tax is usually a percentage of  rent value anyway... Find a nice tenant and rent out a room and your property tax disappears.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'did I win?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'high property taxes and low land values means that the rich may disposses the poor landowners at a very low cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how droll'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'school bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are property taxes rocketing in texas. is it across texas, or is it in certain parts. If it is certain parts, what is driving it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all over Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'owner-occupied taxes are much lower too, so there's really no issue for those who own only their home, unless they're desperately poor.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because of school bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'explain'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Houston just passed a $380 million dollar school package in November 2011 to build some new schools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they chose to raise taxes rather than issue bonds?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which means more bonds need to be sold'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more construction... good for the economy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, taxes pay off the bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'while raising property taxes sky-high, a scam is to pay the politicians and bureaucrats high salaries so they may afford their property-taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, but over a longer period'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'over 20 to 40 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depending on the project.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'borrow a certain amount, raise taxes to pay it off slowly. Quite a common method.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so 38 new schools?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, 8 new schools, the rest is for upgrading the others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone's on the tap, then'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody is profitting financially from building those schools '
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg cost of a new high school in Texas is around $16 million'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, at least they're not using PFI to fund them'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many students, 1000?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '800'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably isn't far out'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, harsh to put it all on property tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'we dont have income tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a school in northern Texas, near Dallas just opened a brand new $56 million stadium for high school football. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then i guess it's the only option for you guys'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'well we have sales tax but ya'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, we also have an 8.5% sales tax.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the federal sales tax?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'depending on where you live, but 8.5 is common'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and numerous other taxes and fees'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no fed sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its 8.25 here.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps there is criminal mob involvement in the construction -- are those schools going to be shoddily constructed -- perhaps a kickback to the politicians'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's pretty low'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'the fed is only part of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'like 6'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'the rest is local'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, state is 6, local is 2.25 or so, not fed :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, Zade, but there'll probably be a ton of kickbacks to developers and politicians, and probably some abusing of illegal immigrants'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'ya, thats what I meant sorry'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'gop in texas - trying to convince the nation to implement austerity, while stealthily (?) conducting their own stimulus'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not as republican as you think'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'most (if not all) metro areas in tx vote democrat'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its all the coutry folk that push us red'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmm... good point.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'god bless em :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'metropolitan democrat areas are mostly immigrants and people infecting the state from california though'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'rep lose tx, they really are screwed'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if the economy keeps booming and the cities keep growing, it wouldn't be surprising if it flips blue in a couple of decades...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that'd be the end of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Some projections show it flipping sooner, within 12 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'but its all a guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends to the extent what happens to the immigrants, and that depends on how well texas itself does'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on how many externals are parachuted in'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'illegal aliens '
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so many factors, might as well just shrug and wait and see'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the shit hits the fan on the economy (which it probably will) then you'll have a sizeable dependence class that will only ever vote for democrat, same thing happened here'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, 3 years ago Texas had a record high $27 billion deficit.....now in 2013, it is estimated to be a $9 billion surplus'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's the reverse... better economy, more urbanisation, more dems'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah again, its more oil and gas development'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obama could learn a lot from Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fleeing california because of the tax rates, no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so democrats are a bit like cancer'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can sort of see it in their actions, which party wants more austerity, which wants stimulus...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both parties want whatever makes them and their lobbyists most money'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and to hell with the little people'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas produces 2.4 million barrels of oil each day.....that is up almost 40% in the last 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But since it is illegal for the state to have a deficit or a surplus...the money has to be spent....either put in a rainy day fund, or used to reduce taxes, or spent in education.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is the department that gives government contracts to small and medium sized american businesses being closed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'putting it in a fund is effectively having a surplus...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't they use that surplus for the schools?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least $5 billion will most likely be put in the rainy day fund, cause $4.7 billion from the fund was used in 2011 to help reduce the deficit.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'last I checked, my govt had reserves equal to several years of gdp, and debt about equal to gdp.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, States are allowed to 'bank' money for the future, and it doesnt count towards the law to prevent a surplus.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska for example has a rainy day fund of $36 billion right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but effectively that's what it is... really money in the bank. Just semantics.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure UK has any serious reserves'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska also has a constitutional fund with another $8 billion in it for emergencies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe individual departments are allowed to have reserves, but i doubt they have much'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, many countries have reseves that are smaller than debt...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt we have reserves even remotely close to our debt'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our debt is collossal'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and getting bigger, and unlike the USA, there's nothing easy we can cut'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our reserves are much larger because my govt is paranoid about things like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably wiser, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What is the % of debt to gdp in the UK ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sec, i'll look it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan is %180 :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's because we're an island surrounded by two large muslim countries that didn't really like us, and without a developed country anywhere close'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'Closest is probably australia...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'officially, 70%, though there is a stack of off-sheet debt caused by Labour (PFI schemes) which will bring it up to around 75%'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the US, our debt to GDP is going down....about 84% now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hmmm... ours is 118%, it seems'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since the US economy is still growing around 4% a year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, 2.5 to 4 %'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was 2.7%'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Rizgoth for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like an ass, he must want attention.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can tell you're an optimist'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Always.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '6% here'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think it takes prescience to recognise i'm not'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the US could achieve 4% with the right policy, but probably only for a few years as it rebounds from the current situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's producing well below capacity at the moment'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think we were predicted 1% 2012'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Except for Wyoming and North Dakota, Texas has the fastest growing economy in the US :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we grew 14.8% in 2010 because of the bounce from the recession'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'averaged 4-5% during the crisis years'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and 4.9% in 2011, so still on trend...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, that 6% was public debt, not gdp growth'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is going to lose some military spending soon though, since the new f-35 is being curtailed which it should be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '2012 might not have been so great though, because with the world economy in this shape, it has been a terrible drag on a small country like mine...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Singapore ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's budget is a tad screwed'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs some serious reform'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like Singapore, Taiwan and HongKong.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if by "producing", the USA is "using up" resources, eventually those resources may run out, when the "producing" ceases'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh bite me, extracting resources is how you provide jobs, whether it is sun, wind, oil or gas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or dozens of others.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come and solve the UK budget, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could fix it in 3 years, easy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go on ...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hongkong has the advantage over singapore of having free protection... but there's a corresponding risk, being part of a corrupt dictatorship...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I would need complete control over all rules, laws and regulations.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would you change?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would make the UK a good place to do business again.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes it not so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we spend a lot of our military... such a waste, but maybe it can't be helped.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are likely customers for "resources" disguised or relabelled as "products" -- but switch to manufactured products, the customers may simply not be there in sufficient numbers'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, since I do not have access to your rules, laws, and regulations, I can't answer that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, if it's employment regulations, then we'd need to leave the EU since they're written by them'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I don't know what you have, so I dont know what to change to stimulate things. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's taxation, we have the lowest corporation taxes in europe'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have high wage costs compared to R.O.W'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What about nuclear energy ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty shite skillset due to decades of pushing arts degrees at "educatioN"'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, generally speaking, first you would commit to massive stimulus to end the crisis, raise taxes (details depend on your situation) after that, while dismantling unions and making it easier to start/close businesses and hire/fire people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do you have rules against it ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes and no'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't like it, though we're building a big one near me'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'high wage costs aren't that big of an issue when you have your own currency'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what about income tax on manufacturing, or unions?  Are unions in control ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the economy of first world nations partly depends on selling guns arms munitions to third world terrorists, that is a twisted economy  -- as though somebody mus buy the obsolete arsenal to defray the costs of superior arsenals'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unions are weakish here'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'focus should be in improving the quality of the workforce. High tech companies value ease of getting talented workers over high wage costs, up to a reasonable extent.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How about oil and gas exploration within the 200 mile boundry off your shores ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i don't expect it to get any better here any time soon'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'long term, the money's in tech rather than resource exploitation'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've tapped most of the offshore resources we have, Riz, that's why Argentina are warmongering over the Falklands - we have exploration there'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'last I checked, the UK could be completely energy independent if they tapped all that shale gas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we could be energy independant by renewables, coal, and gas, but it's not in the oligarch's interests'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is also a huge deposit of natgas under the north sea.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that and we're signed onto all kinds of crap climate change bollocks that prevents us tapping resources for power'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'screw energy independence. When there are a zillion producers willing to sell you the stuff, it's unnecessary to diy.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by going energy independent in the US in the next 10 years or so, the US will save close to $500 billion a year in trade deficit sending money overseas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sonsahi, the majority populace of the USA may not like the lowered standard of living as in countries where workers are treated like expendible dirt and business is booming'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'aim for high tech, and let the saudis and south americans dig up the stuff for you'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'energy independance reduces co2 emissions'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention big bucks.....$500 billion is more money than most countries produce.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when business is really booming the way we are... wages will rise naturally'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the one man union - threaten to leave your job because you know you can get another quickly.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what percentage of the populace, where Sonshi is, is in dire poverty'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'define dire poverty'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'number one complaint in our businesses - "I can't find enough workers! (willing to work for what I'd like to pay them)"'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'practically none'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unless you're disabled, you can get a job if you want one'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'homelessness is close to 0'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see a $1 per year increase in the min wage in the US, for at least 4 years.....bring the min wage up to what we pay our starting workers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'slums don't exist, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what percentage of the populace in India is in dire poverty --  some may answer practically none -- but that is likely a lie'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem here is that government subsidises peoples wages, which means costs and values are skewed'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, lots of slums exist in india. We have none.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially the housing market'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is because if you say anything bad in Singapore, they cane your ass in public. :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just driving around will demonstrate the levels of poverty there...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'According to the Singapore govt, the unemployment rate is 1.9% which means it is really double that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's more for vandalism... for slander they usually sue your ass off'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like in the US, the govt rate is 7.9%, but it is most likely around 15%'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, actually that figure is correct, but it's also a half truth...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are different categories, riz, and yes, the next category up is 15%'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the unemployment rate is actually 2%, but it counts foreign workers who are all fully employed (or they are deported)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like UK claims unemployment of 2.49million, but that's a fudge, it's people "claiming jobseekers welfare"'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unemployment for residents is something like 3%...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"unfortunately" low unemployment means wage inflation, because you have to pay much more to hire workers...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this tends to balance out after a while, and unemployment will creep up once wages rise enough'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, in North Dakota, the unemployment rate is less than 1 percent now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '8%'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we're the only major city not to have slums (by the UN definition) though!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody said that atheism is illegal in singapore -- that may be a deal-breaker'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think that's true, zade, though there are only 6? legally allowed religions'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'most of our leaders are atheist to some extent...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although some are muslim, catholic, or protestant'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unemployment in spain is >20% now'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'youth unemployment in spain is >50%'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Spain is anti capitalism.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wyoming has the fastest growing economy in the US...because of oil and gas.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'spain isn't any more "anti-capitalism" than other eurozone countries... they're just uncompetitive compared to the other major economies in the eurozone, and combined with, well, being in the eurozone, that's really very bad.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they were out, they could just devalue'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU is a fucking nightmare, i totally agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the Singapore restriction to 6 religions is to prevent crackpot minority religions from fomenting strife with altruistic "rights for workers" -- the 6 approved religions are "docile"'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all religions are approved except for 2'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know the purpose of that restriction, Zade, but it does cross the line on a number of freedom issues'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How many scientologists are there in Singapore?  do they have singalongs in the main square? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, the two banned ones are the most docile ones... banned for being pacifist.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dubai is eventually going to run out of oil -- Dubai is hoping to develop an alternative economy before that happens'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dubai is also sitting on a shitload of natgas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, I wouldn't know, but I like to think we're too smart for them to take hold. Unfortunately, there're plenty of dumb ones, despite what I like to think...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I really wouldn't consider them a religion though...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the UAE has tons of natgas, but not much oil compared to most middle eastern countries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the 2008 financial meltdown likely jeopardised the Dubai alternate economy aspirations'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and the scientologist forced labour scams I hear about probably wouldn't work well back home either...'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there have started being some vigilante muslim groups patrolling their london estates cracking down on hooligans, vice, and criminals'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately they were using violence and trying to enforce sharia law, so were going after homosexuals and women in skirts'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'we're ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'past tense of are'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they were'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they is implied'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the auto-spelling-grammar-correcter chose "we're" before "they were"'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then it's shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, that sort of thing doesn't happen back home... if everything is going well and there are no slums, no guns (and correspondingly low crime), there are no vigilantes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'first impressions'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no racial strife'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have racial strife, these guys weren't armed with guns, mostly no guns ehre'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'all you need to do is fix the economy, provide enough housing for everyone, break up organised crime, (almost) eliminate corruption, promote racial and religious harmony, rebuild your infrastructure, and everything will be fine!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'easy peasy!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, racial strife and religious/cultureal strife is largely the same'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Soup for All!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'just took us a few decades or so to accomplish!'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love making soup.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'guns?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'check'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Ammo and a fault sense of justice ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'check'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In January, 2012, the U.S. Treasury Borrowing Advisory Committee of the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association unanimously recommended that government debt be allowed to auction even lower, at negative absolute interest rates.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is calling in old debt, and replacing it with negative interest debt....add inflation to that....and the US debt goes down.'
T3/r7/2013-01-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US govt did the same thing after WWII to reduce the amount of debt the country had in the 40s and 50s.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So does anyone think that Fienstein's "Assult Weapons" is actually going to reduce crime?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'any awake?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'check this page http://www.ussc.gov/'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Remarto snores loudly.
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'has been hacked and looks very important'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well for americans'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'not an american '
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'look at it anyway is important'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'good on e'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Remarto: 'em*'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it now seems the TSA are out on the road with Texas police conducting random stop and searches'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish RicK Perry would stop being such a fucking pussy and kick them out'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if there's one thing the TSA doesn't do, it's keep us safe'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's acclimatisation'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, on the bright side, in a few more years I won't even have to wipe my own bottom'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's no good, since you'll be taxed for how much you shit, and be arrested if your shit has more than your allowance of fats and sugars in it'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so if I pooped out in the woods, would that be like tax evasion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it would, and it's probably already illegal in some places under crazy environmental rules'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz lolz razkin
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since they were arresting women for letting their 3yr old pee in their own garden'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'is human poo organic?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately in that case it was thrown out and the cop fired, but it's the sort of thing we're seeing a lot of'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we could sell that s**t!'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, in a literal sense, it's organic'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'check it out http://www.ussc.gov/'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'very important'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, the unmentionables'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'have you gone to the link?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm going to build an outhouse and call it my 'Tax Shelter''
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'right and you cant mention them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't want to trigger nsa engines'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'presumably this used to be a government website'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'then check https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=%23Anonymous&src=hash'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'just use little snitch'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wish them god speed'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'me too'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'eot'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any idea what it is?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why does Illinois want to jail people for filming police?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'life inprisonment for videoing police pushing onto a neighbour's property without a warrant?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sort of thing that'll kick off with polce being shot, unfortunately'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hotels now to ask questions of visitors, enter them into fema anti-terrorist database'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to show terror alerts publicly in foyesr'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'http://www.ussc.gov/ <--------Annonymus has hacked this government website and apparently have gained control over a nuclear warhead.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'not nuclear warhead silly over information'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, on sunday, retailers will be able to add up to %4.0 surcharge on all credit card transactions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am against the death penalty, I would prefer they rot in prison for life.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would agree, with the addendum that if it's discovered that they were innocent, it is much more productive to let them out of jail and say 'we are very sorry' than to exhume their body and say 'we are very sorry''
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is exactly why I am against the death penalty.....you can never prove that 100% of people are guilty of a crime.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And I do not want to be responsible for murdering an innocent person.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah, we all know that innocent people have literraly been convicted and put to death.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It should stop just for that one reason.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, apples and peanut butter.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'saltines and cheddar!'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to fly on air force once....just once.  I wonder how much you have to donate to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'air force one that is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The school year in the US should be increased to 240 days.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Haiti needs to turn itself into a casino resort.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a recent survey from British analyst WealthInsight reports the U.S. has added 1.1 million millionaires since Obama was elected in 2008.  The number of millionaires in the US as of 2012 is 5.1 million.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Also to note though, there was a drop in the number of millionaires in the US in 2012 of 170,000'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan is 2nd with 1.6 million millionaires, and China is 3rd with just over 1 million millionaires.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there will be many more when they mint the trillion dollar coin'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US treasury vetoed the $1 trillion coin :('
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bleh. that would have been the most awesome retarded thing :('
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'except for the "make teachers wear bulletproof vests and assault rifles" plan maybe'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or just hire more trained undercover security guards at schools.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe, but that plan isn't retarded'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm talking about things that are kind of awesome, but also very fucking retarded'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am always for more jobs, and the potential of having another 50,000 plus security jobs at the nations schools is happy happy joy joy to me.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'kids aren't packing where i live'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'boggles my mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you're a security contractor?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not yet.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The death tax needs to be repealed,'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'An Italian lawyer was arrested for forgetting his wallet after enjoying a $208 steakhouse dinner.  I wonder how long before said steakhouse ends up under new management?'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '66% of pennies end up in jars, clothes drawers, and who knows where......a waste of taxpayer money.   It costs 1.4 cents to make a penny.'
T3/r7/2013-01-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'After the civil war, veterans had to go to Washington DC to apply for their veterans benefits.  The files of the veterans history were binded with Red Tape, hence where the term 'red tape' for govt bureaucracy came from.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Illinois has one of the worst credit ratings in the country'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-continues-violate-his-own-stimulus-law-not-releasing-quarterly-reports_697896.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Your freedom is likely to be someone else's harm," said Daniel Callahan, senior research scholar at a bioethics think-tank, the Hastings Center.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that says it all, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A former CIA officer who was among the first to go public with details about the agencys use of waterboarding and other interrogation techniques was sentenced to 2½ years in prison Friday for disclosing a covert operatives name to a reporter'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that is terrible'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Emails show FBI investigating Sen. Bob Menendez for sleeping with underage Dominican prostitutes. Anyone surprised?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'why would we be mate ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Internal audit reveals 106 children employed at 11 factories making Apple products in past year'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'I'm anti Apple personally'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'going back to the prostitutes, did you see the Project Veritas undercover sting that lead to one of Obama's old socialist groups (which he was about to give $5bn of tax payers money to in the stimulus) being shut down?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Acorn group?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Masons '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtTnizEnC1U'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not convinced Acorn was masons so much as Chicago mafia'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but any NGO that offers advice to pimps looking to get government help for their underage prostitution rackets..............'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other work by O'Keefe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpJ55RSkgo8&list=UUL9PlYkRD3Q-RZca6CCnPKw&index=2'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt1Zy_ASNyA&list=UUL9PlYkRD3Q-RZca6CCnPKw'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Tiggy ? quiet here too ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, americans are all tucked up in bed'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about to have sunday roast, so bbiab'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'enjoy :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'you have a song for Music chann ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pfft'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you want a song for music channel?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Muse - Unsustainable'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better still: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US executive branch to pass executive order banning nightclubs are 245 deaths in Brailian nightclub inferno'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after, rather than are'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, good luck with that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was kidding, of course, but it's the sort of logical leaps that he's been taking'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you cannot even compare a nightclub in brazil to one in the US, we have laws that were put in place after large fires in the 70s.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would government machinery care about things like facts?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(or reality)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sprinkler systems, certain fire hazard materials a certain distance from ignition sources, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'govt is more real then corporations. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You think govt does stupid shit, should take a look at the crap businesses try to get away with, and usually do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'define "more real"'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government is putting out a tender for the tender process'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The chairman of the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission makes about $1375 per hour.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission a GO or NGO?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Poland rejects gay unions, Russia to ban gay 'propaganda''
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll please Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They should learn from iran, they simply stated that they don't have any gay people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, but iirc iran's health care covers transgender operations and some gay men have gotten around that by changing gender to female :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Iran has a marginally more democratic system of governance than the US, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you have 1000's of billions of gold, bid the max on proxy and live with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts peers intently at Twyst.
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you giving George Osbourne budget advice again?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'miss obviously'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'http://news.yahoo.com/leading-democrat-gun-control-faces-uphill-climb-160828132--politics.html <------------Assult weapons ban bill DOA in congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking tyrants'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'down with george!'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'now if only the NDAA and Patriot acts could suffer the same fate'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, down with that fat bald cross dressing singing freak'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'yes!'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And what is killer about it is they couldnt even get enough democrats to support it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well unlike the real fucking nutsoid democrat mafia family like Cuomo, Holder, and Feinstein, many other democrats are thinking "If I vote for this, I'll have 0 chance of re-election"'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'unconstitutional'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so's the health care act, but they skirted around that :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I honestly think Obamacare won't last forever. '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'technically, while it has gone to the supreme court, the court has not voted/judged on its constitutionality...they just voted/declared that "this party who brought it before us can't ask us to judge that because of an issue of standing", so they shelved the real decision'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and essentially said that they aren't allowed to vote on constitutionality until it finally actually affects people'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not how the media span it'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or how the democrats spun it'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and affect people it shall Abe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but it is what their ruling stated'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the USa SCourt waits until millions more are spent implementing ObamaHC before ruling on the constitutionality - devious'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Death panels.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you volunteering to be the first person ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have death panels here in the UK, work a treat - want granny dead? no problem, they'll wipe her. Want her treated? Tough shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UK advisory health board knows that, (as part of the natural order,) old folk are supposed to die, (especially if they are poor).'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(pick a better example)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I think obamacare has lifetime caps built in as well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally don't agree with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Soon enough people in charge will argue that children up to age three arent people either and can be aborted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already been touted in bioethics journals'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only place it actually happens regularly atm is CHina'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'not legal in China'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I don't agree with it either Tiger, and now I am going to get fined if I do not buy into obamacare.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well done, snooky :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'TNuts wants the government to spend millions to keep a decaring old female alive a year or so longer - not economical - the UK requires the monies for assisting the rich'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference in the UK is that you don't have an alternative, money or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is the govts responsibility to provide low cost efficient health care for all citizens.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that makes it state-sponsored murder'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what, the Queen mother lived to a ripe old age - maybe even yet alive'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the queen mother is more important then you are.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The queen sucks balls'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is simply amazed and pleased that British Royalty is able to live a long long long while
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you tell Elton that, Snooky'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'British royalty is the greatest collection of assholes and d-bags ever assembled.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British Monarchy prevents communism'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and that is good: preventing communism'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Any competent government can prevent communisim.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Im sure thats why they disarmed their entire population, to prevent communisim.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Im sure thats why they make themselves exempt from any laws that parlament passes that affects the lower class.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Oh another think about the AWB is the bill does not apply members of congress and retired police officers. What the fuck lol.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got do let the ruling class keep -their- weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well according to that one guy the ruling class prevents communisim:P'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck getting me to give up my big clips.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Gonna have to find them first.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a *decent* monarchy prevents communism '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice that Obama is already spinning the defeat trying to blame republicans for "not representing the public" despite the unfortunate fact that there is NO public consensus or mandate for the move'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, libs have gun control, and cons have abortion.....and interestingly enough, most americans now favor keeping abortion legal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no issue with abortion, provided it's pre-12 weeks, and isn't used willy-nilly'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I dislike the Republican party. But I REALLY hate Democrats.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure i'd want to be paying taxes to go towards abortion, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'abortion is okay, even if used willy-nilly before 12 weeks'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'people should be having more abortion imho'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I consider abortion to be murder. But thats just how I feel about it. I don't go out of my way to think less of people who support it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people shouldn't be so fucking stupid, then they'd not need them'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe some payment if used willy-nilly'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I dont want my taxes buying more $170 million aircraft, but we can't always get what we want.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't claim abortions are used for national defence though'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or $1 billion bombers....like we need stealth bombers....the B-52's have done the job just fine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'military aircraft are so cheap - only 170 million ?! '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'sure you can, terrorists have to be born somehow ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the F-15E costs only $12 million per aircraft....and it still has air superiority, or the F-14'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abortions should be like cigarettes, legal, but with a real attempt to educate/ dissuade from use'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the OT bible supports abortion'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont need $170 million aircraft to keep air superiority when the rest of the world isnot building next generation aircraft.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still think the threat of work-jail time for errant parents to repay the childcare for all 16yrs would help reduce abortions'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But women its a woman's right to murder her child!'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, that was contradictory nonsense '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the purpose is to increase abortions so that unwanted children are not born'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your purpose might be, mine isn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'If children are unwanted, than why get pregnant?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because people are stupid'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'particularly women'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but not exclusively'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why the law suggested earlier would lean on men to take pro-active action'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'next, Tigernuts may be saying: "threat of work-jail time for errant parents to repay the childcare for all 16yrs would help reduce (contraception and) abortions" <-- projected nonsense by Tigernuts, since an aborted child does not cost the taxpayer childcare'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you adding in text into quotes that doesn't exist?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then using to disprove a point that was never made anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'extrapolating your nonsense, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly, you're doing a good job of making up your own'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suffice to say such a law would aim to reduce not only abortions, but unwanted pregnancies period, and would reduce the burden on the taxpayer of shag-and-run merchants'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'interesting strike-wickedly draconian concept there, Tigernuts '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly draconian'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade thinks how to use that Tigernuts-concept against (say) gender-deviates
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it serves to pull young hormone-rampaging bundles of skin up short and get them to get an implant, or wear a johnny, then that's well worth it'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a better plan, then we're all ears'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'slippery-slope there THN, -- that concept may be used to act harshly against other "unapproved" activities '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an unapproved activity, and it's not harsh'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even slippier-slope there TN, -- that concept may be used to act harshly against other "not unapproved" activities '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your failure to play on words will not avail you'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not used to thinking wickedly -- but interesting concept there'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can be characterised as "You spread your seed? You pay for the results. You won't pay for the results? You have your life managed for you until you've finished"'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still waiting to hear for your alternative'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, using the Tigernuts concept: "perhaps the threat of work-jail time for assault-gun owners, to repay society for the imagined assault-gun-deaths that did not happen, would help reduce the purchase of assault guns" '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a threat for such already, "if you shoot someone unlawfully with an assault weapon, you go to jail"'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, so you TN 'd make abortion a crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'zade, go choke on a cock'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you could imply that it would put a societal no-no on "shooting and running" of a different kind'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you send those that use abortions to work-jail, then abortion is (effectively) treated as a "crime"'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't argue for sending arbortion users to jail'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is what you seemed to say'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i argued for sending delinquent parents to work-jail if they didn't cough up'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only what i said according your drug-hazed mind'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so how does that reduce abortions -- more likely to increase abortions (and maybe contraception)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's far more likely to increase contraception than abortions'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far more likely to reduce unprepared casual sex, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, good soup'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is a good thing, because you then won't have the ridiculous situation of liberals trying to come up with justification for the promotion of wiping out black people'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'certainly won't reduce abortions'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably won't raise them either'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still has the effect of reducing unwanted pregnancies, and reduces burden on the tax payer while at the same time reinforcing an important aspect of personal responsibility that seems to have been lost in the government-hand-holding of the last 50 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you TN intend to put a lot of africans in jail'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll leave that to the US government, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are already there.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'one half is in jail the other half is being aborted as we speak'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you forgot the ones in the gang shootouts in the inner cities.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still waiting for your alternative, zadwe'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't come up with something credible, i'll have to assume you are actually Yuna renamed'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what about those umpteen teenagers that became pregnant by the same man (a derelict?)    '
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that man will very quickly end up in jail'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at Tigernuts's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the teenagers were the willing initiators'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'really? zade? yuna?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're both trolls, dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good soup.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're both a bit simple'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so are you'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but zade is a fucking retard'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they both like to complain but never add anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, but yuna is coherent'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have to agree to disagree with you there'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe disagreeable, but he's not braindamaged like zade here'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coherent in a "man staggering out of a pub looking for a fight after 10 pints" is coherent'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least Dagnir, you are able to see what Zade is, (even if you are wrong)'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll just have to start calling you Zuna'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Yade'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps Yuna is your superhero alias'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you do know that, Yuna is online while Zade is online'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might have crossed your mind that i'm fully aware of that, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Egypt is a little on fire'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypts Islamist president issued state of emergency and called for political dialogue after at least 48 people were killed in clashes since Friday.'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'political dialogue? "Do what we say and obey Sharia law or you will be publicly executed along with your entire extended family"'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps time for Obamahero to bomb the unpopular Egypt Islamists persecuting the populace'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt that'll happen, he's been happily handing over very large amounts of currency to them'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it happens it'll be further down the road. Central belt of Africa + Libya, Syria, possibly Algeria first'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've successfully armed the terrorists there, so they'll at least have an excuse to invade'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you want done with Egypt, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i might take exception to them destroying the pyramids'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no idea, not a current area of expertise'
T3/r7/2013-01-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps develop an antidote to all religions, including the muslim religion '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'Crime is what countries are built on'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Australia, but not really many others'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'gun control is lame'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'without crime what would a city be. The police won't get any money, shit, the government will be broke'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, it needs to be enforced more vigorously'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you trying to justify your criminal activities, Arikhan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why would it matter if the police don't get money if there isn't any crime?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'Hehehe! Kiss but don't tell. But I am right.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the government could save a lot of money on jails, courts, etc as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'No more jobs!'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'No jobs as wardens, gaurds, police, security. How many wil fall hungry then. Think about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so? the money we'd save on that could be spent on other things to create jobs'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'having money doesnt create jobs...'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd much rather pay for public works than for jails and guards'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'Jobs like what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the govt having money doesnt create jobs'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'citizens with money create jobs'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'which is why the rich doesn't need to be over taxed'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hell, we could go back to the depression-era ideas and pay people to construct highways, or just tax a little less (haha yeah right)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they are the job creators'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'You guys have a point. I yield on that'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'war creates jobs and uses the useless  as cannon fodder - win win'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'competition creates tech advancement'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'True'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sort of a shame that we do our fastest work when under the gun of warfare :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'Now Anangel is talking.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'but we do - evolution is war '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Vost we don't need any further gun restrictions or laws in the US. Besides maybe universal backround checks. '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'any social Darwinsts on? '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'says Nazi to completely kull the chann in the hope someone has a stronger spirit than soc norms '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'How come gun control people are all filled with such uninformed irrational fear?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'didn't we kill the firearm control deb a few days ago ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'I heard that since Obama became president in your egocentric country the sales on guns sky-rocketed. hehe'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yes we did Tzad.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'soz Snook - I've lost it .. abit still here though - weird '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But I like educating more people'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Actually screw that...I'm getting tired.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'not having a good thought process'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'wana tuckin? '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky nods at Anangel.
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'I'm 30 min out from mine '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'meet you back at the pub'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am in a laser game'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'really weird though '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'nvm'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'I got grapes in the fridge'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'no you're a towel!'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'mans best friend is his towel'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'RIP Doug Adams'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'and his towel'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Do not let a vogon recite poetry!'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS buys 7000 full auto assault rifles, calls them "personal defence weapons"'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'again?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thought it a tad hypocritical considering, don't you think?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCC-rEx81PE&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'not particularly.  The gun debate is largely one of whether civilians, not in service to the government or protection of the country, should have access to various levels of leathality.  We tell an adult they can't buy over X amount of a particular drug they might overdose or turn into meth, but then give them license to carry an automatic weapon that's at least as deadly, because "2nd amendment".'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'arming our government protective agencies is entirely separate to that debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and also, critics of the DHS's intent to purchase these weapons have been circulating similar rhetoric for months'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'hence, my inquiring whether there was something new or another circle'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've ordered 1.6bn rounds of ammunition over the last 18 months, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same shit, just more of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arming up against the american people, i guess'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Sounds like they need more ammo...'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Just got on, who are you talking about Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'DHS - the US's knee-jerk reaction to 9-11'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I have no idea what that number compares to previous consumption, or to a similarly sized police force.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two orders of magnitude higher than is typical'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even considering the very fast expansion of illegal armed federal goons'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Don't forget that the social security administration is arming up with shotguns and trained swat teames as well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the illegal part'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Seriously Snooky?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No joke.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'IRS are not allowed arms except in the case of tobacco, arms, or alcohol raids'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2012/08/social_security.php <------- Social Security Admin. orders 174,000 rounds of ammo'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, reports of cannibalism in North Korea'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Are they eating the great leader ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What did I miss?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno, has the sky falled down about your ears yet?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bill Maher is hilarious'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a mentally ill way, that is'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What did he fire out of his shit cannon this time tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, just more shit generally'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every time i see a clip of him he makes me want to smack him in the face with a baby dolphin'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'He is one of the gun ban guys. The type that when asked what he does for self defense answers with "I have armed body guards".'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'l'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like mayer homo of ny'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Mayor bitch ass'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cant be mad at a guy who donates $1 billion to his college.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure you can'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention he is now worth $26 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Gotta love NY's "stop and frisk policy"'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and regulation on the size of soda'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'last year he recommended the banning of salt'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a federal law is unconstitutional, which wins, supremacy clause, or 10th ammendment?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '10th'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wrong!'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'me'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the answer is: depends on who is in the supreme court panel at the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That clause only applies if the federal law is constitutional.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'follow the trail, snooky, and whom decides that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That is why states are allready putting forth bills that make enforcing federal gun grabs illeagal in those states.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's unlikely that those laws can be enforced'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah I know Tiger. We need Sheriff's to tell them to fuck off. We need people to create a situation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best that can come from it is a protracted legal argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it could escalate into violence, but the defeat of the bill in the senate has made that a more distant possibility now'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Civil disobedience.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'TN did not specify which laws - the federal kaws or the state laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though expect it to come back again with horns on in April when they try and push total gun ban via the UN Small Arms Treaty'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which laws what, zuna?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are going to be ambiguous, Tigerklutz, not going to waste effort retraining a Chemosh wannabe'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'virginia, wyoming, texas, mississippi and tennessee have passed laws making it illegal for local and state police to enforce federal gun control measures, but they could already refuse'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'believe Texas is the only state that has made the enforcement itself illegal'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're unclear on an aspect of my argument, zade, then say so, don't speak in riddles'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's unlikely that *those* laws can be enforced" '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, i was referring to state laws that make it an offence to enforce federal gun-control laws'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but are a large number of states are becoming unified against the Obama administration'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know if you could say that, there's a similar direction being taken by many of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah, it is a sad time in America when the Republican bullshit is the only thing that stands in the way of yet another right being infringed upon.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and is the Obama administration preparing for a civil qwar or at least (what the forcasters believe) a lot of inevitable civil unrest (when the economy of the poor breaks down)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the Republicans keep blocking taxation of the rich while refusing to support the poor, something in the economy is going to break'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the democrats keep blocking budget cuts while spending ever more money on crony capitalism, something in the economy is going to break, and other stuff in the economy will remain broken'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most americans are lumbered with a hobson's choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That would make total sense to prepare for civil unrest and it "would" be commendable. If it werent for the fact that that the economy is being crashed on purpose. And civil unrest is being brought about intentionally.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems as though the 5% rich believe the 95% are supposed to be law-abiding when the economy breaks down'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, well that's the thing, that's why many libertarians are reaching out to law enforcement and army'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the shit hits the fan, the establishment will try and use the police and army against the people'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was the French revolution, and Russian Revolution, maybe the USA is next'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence the whole Dr Garrow litmus test thing last week'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find it has little to do with political ideology, and far more about elitist corps vs the 99%'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Ahh yes Tiger, Obama is taking a page out of Hitler's playbook. Remove the good soldiers and police with values and replace them with thugs and goons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'll qualify that with "Obama's administration", we know he's just a figurehead, and many of the offenders behind the scene have been there for both Democrat and Republican presidencies'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"at least the trains ran on time'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much as i like a bit of Barry-bashing, it's bigger than him, he's just a handy black person'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an Yncle Tom'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know, I just use Obama's face on it.He is the mascot and thats who they want me to put it on.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an "Uncle Tom" from Huckleberry Finn '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, there are rumours abound of a black contender to the leadership of the Conservative party, just more of the same establishment using the fear of racism as a tool'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Race pimping works awesome. Everyone is afraid to be a "nigger guy" as southpark would say.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'race baiting makes me sick, and really quite cross'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'except the Obama father came from Kenya and not as a slave'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It is effective on a hivemind though Tiger. You cannot deny.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, sheeple will be sheeple'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Same with tragedy pimping.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when times get tough, people get racist'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have been all along, there's a radio comedy from the 1950s i listen to a lot, and they take the piss out of then, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Ignorance knows not the color of skin, any race can be a nigger :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1p and 2p coins minted before 1992 are drying up here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'did they change what it's made of post 93?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'used to be 97.5% copper, now copper plated steel'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with the "silver" coinage, used to be 75% nickel, 25% copper, now nickel plated steel'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'original copper 1p and 2p are now worth their face value in scrap metal'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'and I remember looking for pre 64 quarters'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cupronickel coins aren't, but were catching up'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'sigh I just realized I used to find them so much more.  I must be getting old'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a natural thing, all of the pre-1927 1 shilling and 2 shilling coins disappeared pretty quickly because they were 50% silver'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they disappeared in the 1960s'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'and thats what makes metal detecting fun!'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welfare payments in Japan slashed 6.5%'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish they'd do that here'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'If I am not mistaken, US Nickels are worth their weight in nickel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll probably find they're not nickel anymore'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, they're still cupronickel, but they're looking to replace them'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Would be a halfway decent thing to have a few duffel bags full off.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be a decent thing to collect'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Along with cigarettes and whiskey and ummm moist towelettes.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'canadian nickels are nickel plated steel'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Dutch queen abdicates, and French troops enter Timbuktu as Islamic militants torch thousands of ancient muslim scrolls stored in a shrine there'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rare coins worth far more than the base metal value (unless they are gold coins)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps they think it a good to idea to destroy evidence that islam was once a peaceful religion and that it wasn't the word of muhammed to gouge out the eyes of girls who learn to read'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Timbuktu is where though'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mali'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Islam is a terrorist religion'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is that the reason those terrorists gave for torching the scrolls, to change the words of Mohammad to their words'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure a reason has been given, but they have already destroyed mosques of schools of islam that are different to their own, and that is their policy'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not inconsistent with that aim'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be like, i dunno, catholics killing protestants and vice versa (because that never happened, right?)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so instead of "recovering" ancient scrolls, the terrorist muslims torch them -- maybe the scrolls were not so ancient'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'timbuktu probably has more ancient islamic texts than the vatican does christian ones'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they're uncovering more'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Timbuktu was a scholarly centre in Africa, a book trading town'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some Christian codices predate Islam, (unless you meant quantity, and not ancientness)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quantity yes, clearly islam came much later than christianity'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in Timbuktu, it has never dropped below freezing since records of temperature were kept there'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that destruction by muslims is evidence that the muslims do not deserve the Temple Mount (since the muslims may be destroying archeological evidence)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are these muslims representative of the wide islamic community?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'al-qaidah are predominantly salifist'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're fighting 3 wars with militants who claim a religious affiliation.  I think it's safe to say that, at least at this point in time, Islam is a hell of a lot more willing to engage in random violence than christianity is.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Salafi... are followers of Sunni Islam, are also related to, or includes Wahhabists'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notable countries where these dominate: Afghanistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notable countries which are -NOT- Salafi or Sunni: Iran, Bahrain'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which list is Egypt on?'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'draw  your own conclusions from that'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the muslims in Israel at the temple mount mosquw did renovations in which the rubble that was discarded contained archeological value -- the accusation may (now) be leveled against the muslims at the Temple Mount that the mislims were destroying archeolgical evidence under the pretext of renovations (or something else)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt were historically Sufi, another branch opposed to the Salifists'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's what Muslims do.  They are BAD muslims if they appear to foster another religion.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda, that last statement reads like nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lemme put it another way: the Quran has a how-to section on how to get rid of other religions.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, ambiguous'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is true that islam doesn't allow followers to change religion'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it goes a lot further than preventing the flock from leaving, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhapos there are several how-to-terrorism sections in the Koran'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, regimes have victimised converts, including imprisonment and execution'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'basically, yes.  But those are "wrong" interpretations similar to Westboro Baptist Church.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would seriously doubt there is anything in the Qu'ran about doing so though'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there is.  Genghis Khan would be so proud that his legacy has survived, too, though he might chafe at the gentler scheming that's allowed to go on.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Arabs look neither chinese nor mongolian'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the religion of the ancient Egyptians is closer to that of Christianity than that of Islam'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so?  You know Khan was all about the "do or die" stuff, right?  He was "fair" enough to offer a peaceful defection first, but if you refused to join you were put to the sword.  Women, children, and old people included.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what do you mean if i refused -- if you are attacking, than i am defending and attacking back'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unless you somehow fundamentally offended him to the point he is personally going to make sure you and yours no longer have a place on Earth, Khan didn't rush in with guns blazing in the typical American attitude.  He came up and knocked on your door, told you he and his legions would wait a certain amount of time to let those of like mind to cast off their wrongheaded ways and join him, and that anyone left who didn't join would die the next day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nonsense Hanslanda, you are totally wrong.  this is the twenty-first century and Gehghis Khan is long dead and unable to threaten anything against the audience here '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the fact you even think that shows me just how mentally unprepared you are.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda, your choice of words is that of an illiterate'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda, your choice of words are seemingly intended to attack insult and annoy the audience (which is bad salesmanship, and is typical of the loser lower class)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the debate "crime" Hanslanda did, was to portray the audience as a victim of Genghis Khan, (and that is somewhat unforgivable)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'wait? you're trying to have a 'real' debate here?  Thats Hogwash.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'this is for personal attacks and conspiracy theories.  Keep your rational thoughts to yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oo, he said conspiracy theories, he must be a liberal'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are some hints that they may be getting ready to attack Syria with chemical weapons in order to predicate a ground invasion'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that "they" is ambiguous Tigerniuts, unless you mean  couch-potato tv-general nerds that play muds'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but i'd prefer to attack with virals that eliminate muslims, (as the tv-general nerd)'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they is British and American mercenaries organising transport of a soviet-era munition from Libya to Russian speaking Ukrainians working inside Syria'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recording the attack in order to blame it on the Syrian Army'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is use of chemical weapons "legal" according to the Geneva Convention'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't believe so'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno what to make of it, really'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://pastebin.com/Whyvnnd6'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debt default will cripple foreign pension funds'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US postal service should close 2000 postage centers, and instead put vending machines for most things in malls, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The federal Gov Siphons 500 billion dollars from the Postal Service every year. If they didnt do that they would not be in the hole right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '500 billion my ass, try $5 billion'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it goes to future benefits for postal workers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the problem is, the payments are for workers that have not even been hired yet.....70 years in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well they should fix that lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blame congress, they are the ones making the postal service do it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'm sick of blaming congress. Everyone blames congress except for congress.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'blame the specific individuals in congress, not congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Except this time it is actually congress's fault. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'congress passed a law that required the portal service to pre-fund benefits 70 years in the future for employees that have not been hired yet.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$5 billion per year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the same bill, congress also limited the raising of fees and postage costs at the postal service to inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the postal service also has to ask permission from congress to close any of the 32,000 postal offices, or lay off employees.....and you know how hard it to get congress to agree to anything.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'date of the bill was   '
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was part of a different bill, go look it up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if recent, unlikely to be changed'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not recent, bushyboy was president.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt accounting office did an audit of the postal service and found that 1 in 4 workers was a manager, and making quite a bit more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They were classified as manager in pay only though....they still did regular employee jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gamestat 12 indicates that this is a cosy 49 member channel'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, it is now a felony to unlock one's cell phone (in the U.S.). Up to $500,000 bucks in fines and/or 5 years in jail. What. The. FUCK is wrong the U.S. congress?'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Verizon, AT&T and whoever all get together and bribe congress with a gazillion dollars or something?'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'WHo's up for poker?'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'flits here briefly .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Had no idea there were so many philippine islands.....more than 7000.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'over 9000!'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '7107'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Permian Basin first oil well, in 1926, extracted 20 barrels of crude a day. Last year, the Permian Basin produced 280 million barrels, or 14 percent of U.S. output, according to the Texas Railroad Commission, which regulates the industry.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'New research is showing that oil and gas fields in the Permian Basin are being refilled by deeper deposits.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Damn, there is a Scientology billionaire.......everyone hide your donkeys!'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the company the guy is ceo of created a drug for a type of leukemia that affects 16,000 americans each year, and the world market for the drug is estimated to be about $5 billion a year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is part of a new class of drugs for cancer, that has entered 3rd stage trials.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Humankind has unearthed perhaps a total of 3.3 billion ounces of gold over the course of history, an amount equivalent To a cube of gold 55 feet on a side, but the sea water of the Earth's oceans contain about 25 billion ounces of gold. '
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but how much gold is lost per year in products that are not recycled'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'very little.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most gold still exists either in shipwrecks, or on land somewhere in a vault, or in jewelry, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what about those gold sprinkled banana splits -- sb illegal or legal'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gold tinted glass using actual gold -- downtown Toronto Ontario Canada - Bank of Montreal building -- waste or not a waste'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '55 ft cube seems skint '
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless 11.4 oz of gold fits into a cubic inch'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck me, Al Gore has said something I agree with'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best write it in your diary'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kinda funny though since his comments make him a hypocrite: "Our democracy has been hacked.... by big money, corporations designated as persons, anonymous donors'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Michelle Obama abandons 'Let's move' initiative for starving schoolkids'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and does anyone else suspect like me that Hugo Chavez is dead?'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so is castro'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there has been television interviews with Castro'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's had a stroke, but i reckon he's still alive'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'man gets swat-teamed for posting a picture of himself with his 1yr old brandishing an unloaded BB gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the liberal hysteria continues'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you think NBC will deceptively edit it to make it look like the guy was holding his kid hostage in a possible murder-suicide?'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't one of the liberal mainstreams get caught using blue-screen to pretend their guy was "at" sandy hook interviewing people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't know why they even attempt that.  If it's anything like the weather, whatever portion of the screen they're blocking shows the white snow.'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know if it was just a remote interview they were trying to hack to look like he was there (laziness) or it was totally fraudulent. If it was fraudulent, it wouldn't be the first time - CNN got caught "pretending" that a blue-screen outdoor studio ontop of their Georgia studios was "reporting live from Saudi Arabia" during an Iraq scud chemical weapon attack'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Medical Pressure group pushing for 30c/litre duty on soft drinks with added sugar in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was an argument on BBC about it today, so they want us to go from sugar which causes some greedy people to get fat, to aspartame, which poisons EVERYbody'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously banana-giving golf clap policy'
T3/r7/2013-01-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i should really buy a copy of "Behold a pale horse" and read it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama: "Assault weapons belong in the hands our soldiers, not of the publick. They belong on the battlefield, not on our streets."..........  News headline from a few days ago: DHS buys 7000 fully automatic assault rifles for "personal defence"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'where is the contradiction?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the headline contradicts with the quote'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'DHS isn't exactly the public'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're definitely not soldiers'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'closer to soldiers than civilians'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, they're public servants'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and soldiers aren't?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference is personnel trained for war vs personnel trained for beurocracy, information gathering, and basic security work'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at the end of the day, joe schmo doesn't work for DHS'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for the most part anyways'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is plenty of argument whether such departments are required at all. Failing that there are specific laws already on the books regarding the arming of certain government department'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a valid argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oooh a political debate... fill me in!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the average cop isn't allowed one, the DHS shouldn't be allowed one'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though if the cops or the DHS have one, the public should have them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'SWAT teams are cops'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'swat teams are highly trained'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which is as it should be'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'The teachers should all have assault rifles though, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have a specific defined purpose with specific restrictions on jurisdictions'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same problem with their exemption to gun bans (that failed) for ex-police and beurocrats'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an attempt to create a "them and us" situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'gun control is a dumb argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gun proliferation is a smart one'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun control is a dumb argument, gun proliferation is a dumb argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'uhh i dont agree with that either'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'gun control is not a debate for or against guns, it's a debate about the rights of americans'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you notice that now that the liberals have lost the gun control argument, they're going after the constitution instead'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like a child having a hissy fit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as if changing the constitution is going to be an easier thing to ram down people's throats than gun control'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'when changes are made to the constitution, that is the point of no return'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can only hope this stupid communist takeover is shot down'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pure claptrap'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'it will be it seems like Tiger. But it'll come up again. Another mass shooting will "magically" happen again. If you know what I mean.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which:?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the "communist" takeover'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'changing the constitution requires 66% vote in the houses and for every single state to ratify with 66% vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we shall see'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's just a ploy TN, to keep '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people afraid, and malleable'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Karl Marx... opiate for the masses'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, and arming federal goons, taking over mainstream media, and installing a police state isn't part of a federal clampdown'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'setting up the ruling "class" as pseudo-royalty celebrity'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the "news" channel with the highest ratings is?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, not uniquely'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'journalism is dead in the mainstream media, it exists solely to push corporate or government talking points'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surely you realise that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and this ruling class, aren't they referred to as "job creators"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they're not, Twyst. Fortune 500 companies haven't created a net new job in the USA in the last 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if it pushed gov't talking points, gov't would be a lot more liked'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol, I know'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what I am trying to say, is the same people ginning up fear of governement takedown'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'are the plutocrats laughing all the way to the bank'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not fearful, they're angry'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are angry as a reaction to fear'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What the media does is not get us to "like" the government, but to make us accept the heinous and illegal things that it does as the norm.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'fear of marginilization'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'fear of the other'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'non-conformists, twys'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's false TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't conform to federalisation and collectivism, you're a terrorist, that's the DHS line'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they would love to conform, just to a reality of their choosing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the liberals are guilty of the very thing you're accusing the reactors of'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yup the collective Obama hivemind is helping to make it all happen'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'DHS is not a liberal wetdream, its the right's wetdream'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an AUTHORITARIAN wetdream'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'here is the thing TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't want your "thing"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'haha okay then'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who are screaming about this want freedom and liberty, they want government to get out of their life'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is not what current governments want, and it is not what you want'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have all the freedom you want TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's the dumbest thing ive heard yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes, you're only constrained by your personal choices'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't it just, Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can i have a house, twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Twyst is smoking some good stuff...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'earn enough money to buy one or build it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't, twyst, rules put in by "your lot" prevent me from having the same opportunities my forebears had'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can't earn enough money because of the rules?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not about money, it's about regulation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im not sure your what your argument is now Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also about money, but the money is an issue because of regulation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it is against the law for YOU to own a house?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can i have a gun to defend myself and go hunting?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i cannot'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'about 150 or so countries allow ownership of guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mine does not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you chose to live in one which it is not allowed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps i should move to mars, Twyst, is that what you're saying?
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you're basically arguing for is "we've fucked it up, now you have to lump it"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because mars is one of the 150 or so countries?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not at all, its a personal choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'libertarians are definitely the have your cake and eat it crowd'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell that to the millions of people you've supported the killing of'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'incorrect twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell that to the millions of people in jail for committing crimes with no victims that you've supported'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't support any of that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'through your personal choices'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'elaborate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people cannot live in the property they would aspire to because of government policy they didn't vote for and don't agree with, if that is "personal choice", then by extension anything bad, despite not being under their control, is down to "personal choice"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a banal argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why global government, or at a lower level, EU, or a Federal centrally controlled USA, or a South American union is such a FUCKING BAD IDEA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if/when/as it happens you CANNOT just go somewhere else, you don't HAVE personal choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you say you are advocating for freedom from government'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what you really want is freedom from government you don't agree w/'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why you're starting to see seperatist movements happening, but because of the iron grip that centralisation has, it's put down'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i do not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want government freedom from globalism. I want LOCALISM'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the UK that means powerful local governance independant of the EU with most powers at county level'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many people would it take for you to live in the style you aspire to TN? be honest'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the US that would mean powerful county/state governance largely independant of the federal government'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I want my country to be a soverign nation where those elected into office act as servants of the people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you mean? what's the ideal representative country size?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what %age of population would be needed to transform to this?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no I mean, how much labor must go into providing you the lifestyle you want'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that question requires context, it's somewhat vapid'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tiger, look up 'The Venus Project' i think it's right up your alley'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no thanks, Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay I'll give you context, what do you want'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'told you what i want'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of governance'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'If I understand correctly, you want to live in a quiet villa somewhere with an acre of land or something like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'correct?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's a inventor, scientist, super genius who is redesigning cities that work in harmony with nature and work to humans' strengths'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's pretty rad'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so someone will have to build and maintain the house'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck that, quelz, i'm phobic of cities and crowds'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'generate power, electricity, gas etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'cities are fun!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'culture man, culture!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm perfectly happy to be partially energy and food independent. The rest can be sold by the markets'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as they always were before government fucked it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'humanity expanded after specialization TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Oooh Twyst has got you there TN, without global government home contracters cannont exist!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'doctors are around, because someone else takes care of their food'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to a point, twyst, now it has brought mass stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and makes their shoes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and all the necessities of life'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're still going at this from a no-society issue, that's not what i was ever advocating'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a matter of SCALE of control'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and a matter of CHOICE'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arikhan: 'WHo's up for poker'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll always be people who want to be specialised, people who want to live in a city'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but like a pendulum it's swung all the way over to one way, and now everyone knows a lot about a little and lack any form of common sense and discernment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a result society is a straitjacket for those who don't want to live like that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not because of choice, but because of laws/regulations and the effects that they have on society'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, comes back to democracy being two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. The bigger you make the democracy, the less representative it becomes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama knows this, that's why he's trying to leverage society against each other'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a new trick'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's where we part ways TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you agree that society should browbeat people into conforming?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because in analogies you say two wolves'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but expressly it is Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I.e. one wolf'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you misunderstand'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's put it another way'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your democracy contained 3 people, two people wanted to make cannabilism legal, the third did not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who gets eaten?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'the thrird would not last long .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so you're pointing out the flaw in democracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm pointing out the flaw in MONOLITHIC democracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's why the EU is terrible'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '3 people isn't monolithic'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's why a centralised USA is terrible'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'scale doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes it does'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it just determines who gets the shit end of the stick'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smaller scale means multiple democracies'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'multiple democracies means choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that third guy is still going to be eaten'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the example of 50 largely independant states - you have then the choice to move somewhere that does eat you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'multiple democracies or multi party democracy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with 1 monolithic usa you do not, you get eaten'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'multiple democracies, anangel'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or you leave the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's easier said that done'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or you change the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you end up with a 1 world government?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'by convincing enough people you are correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're conceding the issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we don't really disagree TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not on some things any ways'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I just don't buy your cure'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, well then you should know that everything i argue for and against should be seen within that context'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then you should also realise the tools which those that want to centralise use'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the media is one of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'here is what you don't see TN, the reason Obama won is because the right has gone crazy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the right really hasn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'some lawmaker, forget her name, wants to ban abortion in the case of rape as tampering with evidence'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides have been infiltrated by corporate interests, and both a villifying each other'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the party of "small" government'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we have only 2 parties... that might be the issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why the majority of americans don't believe in either party, twyst, it's called the false left-right paradigm'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but none of the above isn't on the ballot'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do I agree w/ Obama 100%? no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking shit-ton harder to sort out nutjobs in a democracy of 330 million than in a state of 10mil'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '80%? no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'obama is an asshole'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but the point of big democracy is that 1 nutjob can't fuck it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're ALL arseholes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you would need a majority of nutjobs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've GOT a majority of nutjobs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we already havea  majority of nutjobs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then you are FUCKED'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you are'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just out of curiosity Quelz, why is Obama an asshole'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might ask why given i live in the UK why the USA's implosing upsets me so much - back to your CHOICE issue - USA -was- about the best choice for me to have the aspirations that i had'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's being yoinked from me'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you know what it feels like to have all of your life's aspirations fucked up by arseholes beyond your control?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i tell you, it makes you really fucking ANGRY'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have to look at the brightside of the coin TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is currently no brightside, this coin has two arsehole sides'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you're not starving and destitute'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not sick for all I know'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not starving yet'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'obama is an a-hole bc he believes that he is ALWAYS right, and that he knows what's best for Americans, rather than being more bi-partisan'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm borderline disabled, and will be in a decade or so'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that pretty general Quelz, give me a solid example'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't want to prompt Quelz, but specifically anti-Obama stuff is all the Federalist controls, DHS, NDAA, FISA, Gitmo, Foreign wars, corruption of political process, disregard for the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'how about this debt ceiling idea? when in 07 he said it was un-american to raise it... yet he's had the debt ceiling raised several times, and tells Americans that Republicans are the ones screwing us over'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally, had Obama came in, stood up for freedom and liberty, but brought in socialised medicine and higher taxes, i wouldn't have a problem with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what a lot on here can't grasp'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i would... '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the debt ceiling Quelz? really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you asked for an example'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the same one that was raised 7 times without a peep under Bush?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you asked me why i thought obama was an asshole'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two-faced liar?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i gave you an example, i didnt ask you to bring up Bush'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's pretty disingenous though'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'why do left-wingers always bring up Bush?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just the most recent example, trying to jog your memory'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same reason right-wingers bring up clinton, or carter'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i try and avoid the conflict,'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all bad in different ways'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they dont really do that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ohhhhhh, i wouldn't say that :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the right-wingers talk about Reagan'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blaming the other guys is a typical governemnt tool'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how many times was the debt ceiling raised under REagan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't know do you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why is that you ask?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but you wouldn't ask, because you fall for the right's balogney'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Twyst... get with the program here, im calling out Obama for things he said he wouldnt do, and then did anyway, and you're steady throwing me the BS about other presidents'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'justify his actions for me would ya?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I asked you would you kill someone, what would you say'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quelz has an extremely relevent point. You cannot use previous transgressions of incompetance as justification'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we deserve better'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Twyst is not very good at debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you don't answer the questions'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's how people have been trained to think, Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not his fault'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a media thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: ''being good' at debate generally implies being able to throw everything and the kitchen sink in argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'enough with the fanwanking'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'while not actually being productive at ascertaining the truth'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"being good at debate" is totally subjective'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like a "a song being good"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what I was trying to say to Quelz, is that situations change'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'subjective thought and logic are at odds in a debate ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'terrible answer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't be seperated, Tz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'what situation changed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why was Obama calling out the debt ceiling ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because it was being raised to give billionaires tax breaks, and fund illegal wars'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'as we ourselves are subjective but in a debate I thought objective truth was the goal ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we ran out of money bc our govt is incompitent, so in order for them to continue being incompitent, Obama had to get the debt ceiling raised...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'when are dems going to learn that you can spend money to save money'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see that as a goal in debate, anangel, i see furtherance of understanding as the goal'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you know what the debt ceiling is Quelz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no im merely debating about it because i have nothing better to do with my time actually'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the money is spent, Obama is trying to pay the tab'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'empathic rather than objective then Tiggy ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the house authorized the spending, but wont authorise the payment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'the goal that is '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not solely, Tz, just because i understand an argument doesn't mean i agree with it, but i try to understand "why" something. I put more value on "why" that "what"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why congress want budget cuts, to save the need for raising in future'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'wrong again Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're both wrong and right, btw'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'saying I'm wrong Quelz IS bad debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Muddy waters Tiggy .. hope you catch a few fish :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tell me why you "think" I am wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'sole food :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments have both required AND optional spending commitments '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debt is used when income falls short of expenditure'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you basically just said that we continue to raise the debt ceiling in order to make payments, not authorize spending... if that's your argument, you're defeating yourself'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you basically just said we're really screwed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'has Obama raised spending'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, he has'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's like me getting a credit card to pay off my other credit card'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you're solution is not to pay it at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the alternative is that the credit card company comes and makes you bankrupt'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my solution is to create a budget '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'in which case in the future no one is gonna give you a credit card'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'which congress has not done in several years!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, reality check, what congress are trying to do is use the threat of not raising the debt ceiling as leverage to get budget cuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'therfore Obama is an asshole right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'instead of asking to raise the debt ceiling, why dont you start trimming the fat'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ding ding ding'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why not both'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what congress want, redryn'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods tigernuts
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ask the UK how trimming the fat is going Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trimming the fat doesn't work, Quelz, you need to cut off limbs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'because socialism is taking over in the uk'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'like liquidate the military!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's why they're screwed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not, Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn beams with pride.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it -has- taken over the UK, that's why trimming doesn't work'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav rapidly nods twice at Redryn, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nice pat answers, I feel like I'm watching Fox news'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ahaha'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can go into gory detail if you would like'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'Cnn..'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so you're a socialist Twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'No Redryn!  We can't reduce military spending!  If we do, think of all the JUSTICE that won't be done in the world!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is a socialist Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you probably don't even know'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Jhav!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'damn you're right'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sorry'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'someone who wants wealth redistribution'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's just the pat answer, Socialist-terrorist-etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wealth is always redistributed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rise above that, twyst, folks'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't want it, it already happens'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'socialized medicine, the govt to take care of you, bc you believe people are incapable of doing it themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you want... socialized medicine and the like, is what i mean'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a large swathe of the UK population is dependant wholly or in part on government subsidy. As a result, the cost of living compared to wages has been skewed badly such that if you now try to "trim the fat" everyone suffers really badly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why does the US spend more per capita Quelz and get worse results than countries with "socialized" health care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I was arguing about this with someone the other night, Twyst, and it's not as simple as cost per head'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'last time i checked, America had the best medical system in the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then you must have checked a long ass time ago'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Lets take Canada for instance... there hospitals simply cannot withstand the influx of people that it is FORCED to take care of'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your health system got screwed over when big pharma and health insurance companies started ripping people off'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at Tigernuts, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is that socialism though? no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'who's medical system is better sonshi?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its unbridled fucking capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and when government interfered to such an extent with charity that doctors no longer are obligated to offer 25% of their services for free'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many americans know that doctors used to do 25% of their work for free?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask any retired doctors'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'just about none of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government didn't MAKE them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did it because they believed it was their civic duty, often motivated by religion'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://www.commonwealthfund.org/News/News-Releases/2010/Jun/US-Ranks-Last-Among-Seven-Countries.aspx'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but now government is god'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not religious, but even i can see that religion isn't all bad, and now government is trying to do the job that religion originally did, and now there are strong parallels'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government -is- almost a cult'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Quelz, your party got its way for 8 straight years'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tooks us from Awesome to shit in no time flat'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my party?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i call partial bullshit on you, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sorry, didn't realize you were a fake independent'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i dont remember subscribing to any particular party'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why so TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The reason you are not seeing the common sense answers to the economy and the debt being answered by either party is because it is being done on purpose. Big government and big corperations have everything to gain from a devalued dollar.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i dont agree with that statememnt'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'big companies benefit from a devalued dollar?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bush fucked a ton of stuff up, but you should realise that many economic factors take time to work through. Clinton rid a bubble and did some good stuff, but the biggest clusterfuck he made was removing glass-stegall which enabled banks to create derivatives. He also leaned very heavily on mortgage companies to lend to people who couldn't afford it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'nobody benefits from a devalued dollar'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'kinda why the world basis its economy off of America's economy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was largely Clinton who started the ball rolling ont he mortgage crisis. Bush didn't do anything to solve it because his lobbyists wouldn't want it changed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'interestingly, one of the reasons behind the "unskewed polls" failure was that a lot of republican voters claimed to be independents in polls, so they believed that republicans were winning the independent vote, and that republicans were being systematically undersampled...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Makes too much sense Sonshi I call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh Twyst... if you want a good example of what big govt does to its country... look at greece'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah Quelz, when the dollar is devalued. The lower and middle classes bank accounts are ruined. The billionaires...not so much.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'or Spain with a 26% unemployment rating'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'The US could never be greece'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'greece doesn't have sovereign control of their money'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'neither do we'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also in addition, Greece doesn't provide the world's reserve currency'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we don't ask anyones permission to print Dolllars Quelz, so umm yes we do'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'America is not in control of its own money so i dont know what you're talking about'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'U.S. should do something like iceland did. Tell the banksters to fuck off and say that their people do not owe any debt.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Do you know what the Federal Reserve is and how it works?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sure'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'obviously ya dont'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Twyst, is the Federal reserve private owned or public owned?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'please enlighten me'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm all ears'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Private'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who owns it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the federal reserve determines the value of our dollar... they print money and take it away at will without consent of anyone'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they are not a govt agency'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ownership and control are completely different things...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and dont need govt's approval to do a damn thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who determines policy at the Fed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the fed does'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at the fed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'right...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the correct answer is Chairman'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yes, good ole ben bernankie or however you spell it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how do you become chairman of the fed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are nominated by the president and confirmed by congress....'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to be GP Morgan Goldman Sachs alumni first, you then get said organisations to put your name forward to the executive branch'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz lolz at Tiger
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the president appoints them Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and that's the sole participation by our govt in the fed's actions'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are confirmed by congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we shall see some funky things happening as fiat currency wars start heating up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im not seeing your point Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't say i have the answer, maybe a gold/silver backed currency isn't the answer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'our currency is backed by gold or silver anymore'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i know fiat currency wars are probably going to be worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'isnt i meant'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we know, quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'used to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold standard was removed to give governments more flexibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'more flexibility to fight inflation and deflation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that central banks have been "leveraging" gold supplies, and now governments are repatriating their gold and it's causing some problems?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why investors are going into gold as a hedge against currency devaluation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'how does removing the gold standard help fight inflation and deflation?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you go from having money being represented by a tangible object, and now it isnt represented by shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so how exactly does that help?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if it isn't represented by shit, please give me all of yours :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'printing more money can cause inflation and/or control interest rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'jokes on you, i dont have any'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe you should be a socialist like me then :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a double-edged blade'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no because what i want, and what is good for the country as a whole, are two completely different things'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes they've got you to believe what they want is what's best'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can only speak from own experience here: bank saving rates 1.6%, inflation is 2.7%-8% depending on measure'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Paris hilton dicking around on TV is really getting us places'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the stock markets going up represent devaluation of the currency rather than increase in real value'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully you can see that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'hence why im arguing in favor of more conservative values... despite being a pot smoking, broke, pro-choice, anti-capital punishment person'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Quelz!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz smiles
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'We the people... have had enough, now fuck off! ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is a conservative value'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just mumbo jumbo framing the argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'when your govt starts dictating how things are going down in your own personal life... i have a problem with that... and that's what Obama is doing with Obamacare, this gun control shit, all of it... that is the long and short of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only reason UK isn't going bankrupt right now is that they're devaluing currency just enough to maintain the status quo, but it's making everyone poorer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'dictating things like who you can marry, and whether you can get an abortion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a poor artgument, twyst, government shouldn't be involved in marriage period'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no like telling people they have to have medical care if theyre in a certain tax bracket'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's dictating '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is not illegal to not carry health insurance Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst, that's colour of law and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but you can be monitarily penlized'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so =! dictating'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst, this is where you lose all credibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you do or do not do this, this will happen... thats dictating'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sounds like personal choice to me, but what do I know'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"we have not made smoking fags illegal!"... but they have made smoking fags just about anywhere in public illegal, as well as making the cost so prohibitively high that many struggle to afford it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a choice, it's deliberately skewing the choice to force a certain behaviour'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz high fives tigernuts
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, let me put my cards on the table, because this is something that Sonshi loves called Pigouvian taxation or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its not intended to force behavior'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have nothing against there being a duty on fags and booze to recoup the added cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'now your talking out of the side of your head'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it IS'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'same thing with health care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take obamacare, what is the financial penalty of not having health insurance compared to having health insurance?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i dont know the complete deets on it, im not in the bracket lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'something like a 1-3k '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the right talks a big game, but when the rubber hits the road'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Jan Brewer- "Obamacare is the devil", implements it in her state'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's anything from $0 to $4700 per person'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'upon top of which you still have to pay for most of your healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's not a tax to pay for the healthcare, it's a penalty for not behaving in the way the government want you to'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not having healthcare when you can afford it is irresponsible, because you will be treated regardless'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will be treated and charged as appropriate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as you have always been'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah they will give you a bill for 1 bajillion dollars or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then if you don't pay the taxpayers do'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they won't, but if they did that's an issue with costs, not of provision'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i have a belly button'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if they regulate costs that is socialist'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'according to the naysayers'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's more complicated than that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you have at the moment with the way things are going is essentially neo-fascism'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason the UK health system is falling apart is because corporate basically run a monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but the freedom to make as much money is possible is a good thing as per you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'health system is not something you can have a halfway house in'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '60% profit? we need 75% and damn the torpedoes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it either has to be free market, or it has to be closed market'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you go somewhere in the middle and it all fucks up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but the middle is a bipartisan compromise'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what we really need is single payer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but that wont happen because of "conservative values"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'there is no bi-partisanship anymore... what are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both extremes have problems - free market you either have to rely on charity to provide for those who can't afford it or they don't get cover. with the closed market you end up with problems surrounding cost, accessibility, and quality'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'take the debt ceiling Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that was bipartisan'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no it's called repubs being pussys'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they have 0 leverage'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, Twyst, this is where having the debate at a STATE level would be the solution. States that want a closed model can have a closed model, those who want a free market model could have a free market model'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yet still got some of what they want'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that would definitely help Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just end up with 50 of the same system'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they have the senate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'thats some leverage...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not possible given the numbers, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you mean the house, and no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'sorry you right'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can't get 1 system because of a split, then you wouldn't end up with 50 of the same, you'd end up with roughly 50/50'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what was stopping Obama from letting the sequester happen and introducing a bill with ONLY  what he wanted?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but yeah, repubs voted to raise the debt ceiling, bc Obama bullied them into, and if they didnt allow it to happen, they would be demonized by Obama and mainstream media, making them look bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm not talking about the repubs I'm talking about Obama the non bipartisan'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'wait'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama isn't non-partisan'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if he wanted he could have strongarmed them into everything he wanted'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he couldn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not quite'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why not TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doesn't have the power to'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he had all the cards'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well his pen sure moves fast on those executive orders'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doesn't have the congress'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he didn't need the congress to get what he wanted'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'he signed 23 in one day, not but a week ago'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he does'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's real bi-partisanship in action'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'give me a break'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so if he let it expire TN, and introduced a bill with everyone earning over 250k'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bill to do what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'excuse me, under'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lower their taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would he do that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'democrats dont believe in tax cuts, unless you're Clinton'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the whole premise was he wanted to raise taxes on all those earning over 250k'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you ever notice how Obama uses rhetoric to mask his agenda...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's done so'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't personally agree or disagree with the tax rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'actually the line went to 400k TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'read the debt ceiling agreement sometime'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'he uses that word "revenues" almost every speech... and thats a code word'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but what?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'for TAXES'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what do you think entitlement reform is Quelz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'cutting back the bloated military? reducing subsidies to big business or agribusiness?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you need to do is cross reference what he says with what he does, that's where the problem comes in'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no, it is taking grandmas social sec check from 800 a month to 600 a month'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'what is doing that Twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the debt is the bogeymonster right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no it's a real monster'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'reducing the debt involves increasing revenues, decreasing spending, or both'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the debt is a problem, it's not the highest on my personal list of issues'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why is it a monster Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well bc we pay 40 cents on every dollar we spend on interest'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that being a big reason'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you cannot prevent the debt getting bigger, then it's a monster'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a race condition'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I ask because from what I've seen so far, you probably believe it is owed to China or some nonsence'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a significant portion owed to China'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '1/16 is not significant'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it is when they decide to collect'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's over a trillion dollars, don't seek to play it down'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1/16 of a gigantic amount is significant'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its all relative TN, don't seek to play it up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'question twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'do you run your household?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's not significant, pay it off'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you were so far in debt, what would you do personally?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you gonna ask your parents to loan you money, borrow it from your friends, take out loans?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'microeconomics =! macroeconomics'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no you're not, you're going to tighten up your spending!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'when the government spends money it doesn't disappear Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about a third of the debt is owned by the government for seocial security programs, so it's selling debt to itself'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'personally, if I owed 1m to myself, I'd take out another million.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'disappears in inefficiencies imo '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'question Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'answer twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'foreign debt amakes up just over 50% of US debt'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm single, but lets assume I have a wife and kids'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im following you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I give my son 100$, did we as a family lose money?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not until he spends it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but would you give him money for if he wasnt going to spend it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'admin of the money given - first inefficiency - we must have checks and balances .. '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I give him 100$ for w/e'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he gives his sister 30$ to make his bed or w/e'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and our Economy moves on'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than i ever got lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'passing money around in the same entity is not an economy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats the whole economy Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what do you think happens in the real world'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the second the stops, i.e. everyone has the idea you just had, the country goes tits up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'anytime money changes hands there is admin or it invites money laundering .. no brainer ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'money in and of itself is useless Anangel'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but it makes the world go round'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'first lesson of economics is that money is what money does'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'I get the gold standard deb .. ....'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is why letting the top 1% hoard it is destroying our country'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets' look at this a different way: You borrow money off another country, they use the money to buy infrastructure, resources and influence in your country. who benefits?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the other country...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thank you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not us'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'trpile bottom line ? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'triple*'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'how does helping another country, with our money, help us?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, top 1% hoarding the money isn't great. How is taxing the 99% and/or putting laws in to further clamp down on the 99%'s freedoms or give the 1% MORE freedom helping?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you now have infrastructure you didn't have'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the other country has that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you now DON'T have the infrastructure you DID have'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'a favour- global stability ..'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and they can choose not to pay it back...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i totally missed your analgoy then'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, let's have an example then'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'about the household thing?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas has highway. They want to expand it to make a North/South corridor for international trade'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"son, I can't give you any more internal household coupons, you'll just have to tighten your belt." "How about mowing the lawn? Could you pay me for that?" "Nah, I really shouldn't hand out any more of those coupons" "Sis, want me to make your bed?" "No way, I'm short on coupons too. I can't do that unless you spend more coupons with me. And you still owe me coupons, by the way." "I can't pay you back unless you hire me to do stuff!" "No, pay me back first, then I'll be willing to hire you again."'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'households opperate on trust - the financial system does not '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instead of investing the money in it, they're instead turning it over to a foreign country to expand'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that country will own and charge for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which would have been more beneficial? Investing your own money it so that you own it, or giving it away and being charged for it's use ad-infinitum?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why would they do that though?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalism? greed? kickbacks? who the fuck knows, but they do it here in the UK, they do it in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides do it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'stimulating another countries' economy does not help yours, and having your economy stimulated by another country, does not help yours...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'epic greed, grotesque stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really doesn't matter what you believe is the motive, it's still happening, the destination is the same'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is what annoys me about the people who call me a conspiracy nut. Doesn't matter why soemone is nuking you, the result is the same'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you tell me what's fucked up. In my parents' generation, if the council wanted to build something and didn't have the money, they would issue 5 or 10 year bonds to the local people and local businesses and get it built'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they just hand cushy PFI deals to big corporations that cost an absolute fortune, you essentially end up "renting" access to the infrastructure for a 50-100yr contract at the end of which you STILl don't own the infrastructure'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and since our economy is so fucked, getting bonds is pretty much a dumb idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's why people are buying gold'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's tangible'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it has value'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the economy will fall if/when faith in bonds fails'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why the value of tangibles is shooting up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'value of intangibles is dropping :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i need a drink'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the economy is shitty for some'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goes back to the stock market, the stock market is up not because the economy is doing well - clearly it isn't, it's going up because the value of the currency is going down'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'never been better for the wealthy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Twyst, i bet you believe the 1% needs to be taxed more dont you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sure do Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's a shame, since the 1% write the rules and will make sure they're exempt from them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'failure of enforcment, not of principle TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so what created american exceptionalism exactly then Twyst?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's enforced correctly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'American exceptionalism is a canard Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ooh a word im unfamiliar with!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'google!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but during this exceptional period what were the tax rates again?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rules are written by the 1% specifically to provide themselves with exemptions'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'my point is that policies, ideas, laws America had in place was what allowed that 1% to become that 1%'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so why change it then Quelz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'now America demonizes these people for being successful'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you had very high income tax rates in the 1950's and 1960's, records show that almost nobody paid them - did that mean there were no rich people in the USA during that period?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'c'mon man, get real'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'screw rates TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what was tax income as a share of GDP?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is it now?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and what is the trend'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have your historic stats to hand'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK the trend is generally upwards'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the more well off people in the state of new york pay upwards of 60% of their totaly earned income to taxes, if you factor in federal tax, capital gains tax, land tax, home owners tax...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you think that's right'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you're out of your gourd'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's typical here too, Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i duck the property tax element on account of being homeless'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and yet Twyst wants the taxes on these people even higher? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tiger, i think Twyst is in a place where he wants his cake and eat it too'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's the mind trick, they argue for higher taxes for the rich. What it ultimately ends up as is for higher taxes for the masses'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'trickle down economics'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the bill gets paid TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the rich don't pay it the poor do'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or the debt balloons'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'umm no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'poor people cant pay what they dont have'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ummm yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is sales tax Quelz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh and btw, not paying taxes isnt a crime'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bigger government gets, the less it provides and the more it costs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you dont have to pay taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'sales tax you do... but sales taxes are state regulated, not federally regulated'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'taxes can never be avoided Quelz except in an Anarchy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you dont have to pay federal taxes twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's not a crime to not do your taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so you don't pay federal taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'now you catch a lot of shit for it, but it still isnt illegal to not pay your taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's colour of law, Quelz, i don't think it's terribly helpful to the debate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sweet that's a 35% pay raise.  Thanks Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no i pay taxes razkin, bc i dont make a lot, so i get it all back every year'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'so of course i file'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know what you say if legitimate, but it's not helpful'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ahh, but still, I know the argument that you're making, but I don't know many people that simply dont' pay their taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the IRS doesn't tend to lose those types of cases'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'as in never ever'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no, thats why i said you catch a lot of shit for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you fail to pay your federal taxes, you will be unable to leave your state, not be able to buy a gun, and possibly be barred from healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you get raped in prison, I wouldn't really call that catching shit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i was merely stating that it isnt illegal to not pay taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'people who go to jail for tax evasion have broken more laws then simply not filing their taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'all I know is I live in Illinois, fairly close to Cook county, so taxes make me sad'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Illinois was touted the otherday as the worst state to live, both for economics and freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'seriously though, California and Illinois are like your crazy aunt that's never heard of money management'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you say Illinois and California are left-leaning or right-leaning?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'LEFT'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Hardcore Left'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'are you nuts'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I feel very alone here :('
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, devils advocate :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what about Mississippi or Lousiana?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'oh i immediately thought that was Twyst lolz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are their budgets screwed, or are they just poor?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ironically, if you go south in Illinois, you run into a lot of conservative thought, but most of the state lives near Chicago, and most of it is Liberal'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though a couple of pockets here are conservative, but not many'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that's anywhere Razkin big city - left... rural - right'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's right, Quelz, and guess what? that's why they're trying to force people off rural and into cities'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, but or some reason, here it extends into the suburbs, well, most of the suburbs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rural = producers, city = consumers'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what happens when you dispense with all the producers?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers with Tigernuts about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if Twyst wants a good example for what can happen to your economy when you let nutjob left wingers get ahold of your economy, then he has to look no further than Cali or Illinois'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chicago particularly, nice safe place there'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no crime, high living standards'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because Missippi and Lousiana are such great places to live'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they've never heard of gangs in chicago'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry, this isn't terribly fair is it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Oklahoma Alabama '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'guess where Obama was a senator from?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people would be amazed how the gangs have moved out into the suburbs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poverty is not left or right'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'now you seem to be just picking on more southern type states becase you can'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's one of those things that people don't talk about, but everyone kind of knows'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'without really having an argument at all on that front'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm picking on states that vote overwhelmingly republican'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'yeah they tend to have lower sales taxes, if none at all'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dipshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do people from Alabama complain about poverty?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '9% in Louisiana'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'dipshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on everything including food and medicine'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but not only that, thye want to eliminate state income tax and recoup it all from sales'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'dipshit'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i said tend... meaning some, not all'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'now you're nit picking because you want to be right'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hahaha'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay lets go to the google'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the argument again?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and see which of these states I just listed doesn't have sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'lets look at the states without an income tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'bet my bank account it is none of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'wyoming, texas, alaska, washington, tennessee, nevada, florida, new hampshire, south dakota... how many of those states' economies are screwed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sales tax is inherently regressive'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'none would be the correct answer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Nevada? hahaha'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Florida?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if it wasn't for shale oil, South Dakota would be an afterthought'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'try again'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't go there with regressive/progressive'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that has only recently had an affect on their economy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why not TN?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it's coloured language'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's not colored its the truth'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i think only people could be coloured? '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: '(just a joke)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can argue that the cost of -anything- is regressive'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Twyst, you're white arent you?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a sales tax is regressive because you are more likely to spend all of your earned income if you are poor TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't see how that could be debated'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nope Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'coulda fooled me'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'progressive/regressive language implies that one is justified over another'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'not that it matters, but what is your ethnic background if you dont mind my asking'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'one is more ideal'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it is not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'dont worry im not trying to get into a racial thing, just curious as to your background'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-at best-, it's just a description'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I was born in northern Africa'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im a cracker lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'bet you're one of those that think relativity is a liberal plot!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lived in Oklahoma for 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'that i am sorry for'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you in Oklahoma when the Feds blew up that building?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Timothy McVeigh? yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't just him, you know'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the only conspiracy theory i really subscribe to is that 911 was an inside job'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Terry Nichols helped also'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't want to go off topic'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what do you have against smaller democracies, twyst? Why are you so pro-centralisation?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Ironically Quelz I also vote against my best interests'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in raising taxes on the better off'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'smaller democracies by nature tend to be more centralised.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TN, I lived in Oklahoma'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thal'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i think Sonshi missed your point tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if those jackasses were the ultimate authority, you can say game over for that state'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, he does that, don't let it upset you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then game over for that state'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least they're only screwing over that state'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's much easier to change'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'in a perfect world the federal govt should provide its people with only 3 things (now how exactly this would be achieved would be a feat in itself, given our current state of affairs) but they are Education, Healthcare, Protection'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sonshi often advocates Singapore as a shining example, when in fact it's a prime example of a small democracy. '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe, but they along with others who complain the most'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe not even that, quelz, protection really is it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'are living high off the hog'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... which is easier to achieve centralisation with.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the federal gov't is a raw deal for lot of blue states'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'missing the forest for the trees, and all that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, twyst, then change it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'aww silly foreigner, botching american euphimisms lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'jk Sonshi '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Idioms, but no need to be nitpicky :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the federal gov't is screwing everyone, why support it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we have a small number of people to blame when things go wrong. Keeps them more alert since they can't scapegoat as easily.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's the big lie TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please elaborate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you right twyst.. i is tired'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that the right wants smaller government'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i quite agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the bigger the govt gets, the more they fuck up, plain and simple'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well now that you both agree I guess we can stop here :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's like life long criminals... they dont start murdering people... but they eventually become so fucked that they commit worse and worse crimes...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the govt keeps graduating to more and more stupid levels'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's no wonder they screw up, when you keep voting in people who believe that govt necessarily screws up.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we all agree, so w e all agree that what Obama is doing with respect to centralisation of power, police state is wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'well we have only 2 choices every 4 years... that's half the problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can we agree on that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leave aside healthcare and taxation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ive concured witha that this whole time'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the police state is wrong, but I don't blame that on Obama'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'then who?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree with that, but I also think that a lot of people have an inherent desire to hand control over to other people'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not on obama, blame it on the federal government machine'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not everyone, but a lot of people'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what you guys don't understand is that Obama is not a rightist or a leftist, he is more a pragmatist'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry to come and go in the conversation, but I'm multi-tasking atm'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can never get all of what you want'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abdication of responsibility, razkin'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't believe that, twyst, i think he wants people to believe that, but i don't think it's true'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I disagree Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has very strong political roots that are definitely anything but pragmatist'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do I believe Obama believes that mumbo jumbo about protecting Israel at all costs? no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'fuck Israel..'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I won't call him a socialist, but I'm not sure you can go much farther left and not be one'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but if you don't abase yourself to Israel you can't be elected in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'we got our own problems to deal with'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so on and so forth in a multitude of other issues'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the only reason Obama isnt more left is because we have republicans'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Razkin Obama isn't a leftist'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the goal posts have just shifted'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'again, i'd disagree'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to be a conservative now vs maybe 10 years ago?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have to be a ravening slobbering at the mouth purist now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '10 dollars in spending cuts to 1 dollar in taxes = no longer acceptable'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how have the goal posts not shifted?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, if you want to make an argument that both philosophies have shifted too far from the center, I'd agree with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst, Obama started his political career in the Socialist party, it doesn't get much more left than that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Reagan raised taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not more happy with all the extremist coservative talk as I am with all the extremist liberal talk'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he would fail Nordquists purity tests today'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'from an outside perspective, they're mostly foaming-at-the-mouth right wingers... obama just foams a bit less.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'obama started his political career in Bill Ayers house'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Rubio was afraid to say on television wether he believes the earth is 6000 years old or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, Obama is a cult of personality - he was chosen for the fact that he's a slick, comparatively young lawyer who has the face, has the talk, and is BLACK'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if you know anything about bill ayers, then that should scare the shit out of you'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Quelz, its nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just more talk radio bull'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I still think Obama won because people were voting against the past 8 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, quelz, be more worried about Frank Marshall Davis Jnr'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'there all political terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they're'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'regardless of his personality, I think it was a backlash that won him his seat'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'err, position'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama worked with Mayers on some dodgy Chicago mafia property con, that's about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I might believe that Raz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if he hadn't beat hillary clinton and Robme'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and nothing to do with the guy running against him being kind of crazy?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I also think at the time Hillary was carrying too much baggage with her, warranted or not'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Obama isnt black'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'bs Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'he's mulato'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'half white also'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'McCain I think was perceived to be too much like Bush'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if he wasn't president, I bet he would get stopped and frisked in New York with all the other blacks'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I dont' think that is completely off base'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he isn't jet black, if you excuse the language'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, you mean 4 years ago...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has white heritage as well as black'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'McCain is unstable'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'McCain is unstable and Biden isn't?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and old..'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I'm not talking the current one'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'McCain wanted to bomb bomb bomb Iran, and though Palin was a great idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he also wasn't going for vice pres, but top dog'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '4 years ago you could run a rag doll against any republican you could find and win...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Biden doesn't know who the president is half the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Biden has a tendency to put his foot in his mouth'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Biden might be dumb, but not unstable'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and then put his other foot in '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unstable but suffering from alzheimers, great'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't we just have honest people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Honest people finish last'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happen when society gives up on their principles'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Just ask huntsman'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goes back to the pushing power down to state level again'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local people voting for local people'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Bachman keeps getting elected in her homestate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Bachman is another one that speaks before she thinks'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'local isn't always better'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this will get you nowhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can argue that all day long'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, between an incumbent that lies once in a while, and an opponent and his running mate that lies consistently... the opponent got 47%. What does that tell you about how much people care about lying?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the award for the dumbest thing said thus far in this debate goes to....Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'Twyst: 'Honest people finish last''
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, Sonshi, that might be how it is, doesn't justify it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'you cant be serious?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no wonder youre a left-wing lib'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'hahaha, you kill me Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you did ask why you can't have honest people...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually quelz, it's horrid, but it's alrgely true'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and there's your answer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'having attitudes like that doesnt help though'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'an attitude resembling the truth?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a big difference between accepting something exists, and agreeing with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im not saying i dont agree in some way, but proliferating ideas like that are the exact reasons our country sucks'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twyst is accepting it exists, sonshi agrees with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can't ignore things you don't like Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is why the right lost the last election so spectacularly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither should you submit to thing you don't like'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'true, but accepting it is bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why the world is in shit right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and twyst is accepting of it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is he?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't think they lost spectacularly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'seems to be'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Karl Rove losing his mind live on air'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ron paul '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people keep saying that, but to me, a spectacular lose would start eating into your base, which didn't happen'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Mitt Romney with only an acceptance speach written'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't, razkin, another thing the left currently doing to further destroy the gop'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'however, the republican definately were behind the times in this election'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the GOP by all rights should have won'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you really want better politicians, you really need to start voting for the lesser evil. Staying at home and whining that politicians are all evil/dishonest/whatever, or worse, voting for the greater evil, isn't just part of the problem. It's most of it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the economy is still in the shitter'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, it was Romney's race to lose, but he gave it up big time'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'they werent behind the times, obama is just too far ahead '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, sonshi, you don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compromising with evil is what screwed everything up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but part of that was still how they were reading their own polling data and how they were choosing to spread their message'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'the gop just wanted to slow shit down, while obama was full steam ahead, guns blazing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do not join with Mordor!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'see, you're part of the problem...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, i'm part of the solution'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im just alive'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'same here Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what solution? Sitting around and whining that your country has gone to pot?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I just do this to kill time'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is voting for the lesser of two evils working out for the USA?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im not part of anything, what i say his little to no bearing on anything'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is voting for the lesser of two evils working out for the UK?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how would anyone know? It hasn't been tried!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if we went to pot we'd all be much better off, if you catch my drift'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not voting is essentially voting for the greater of two evils though TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is it not?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts Takes Two Hits Off A BlUnT And Passes It To Quelz!!
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when the greater evil keeps getting voted in, obviously the evil will keep increasing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you don't vote for evil'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'if only it was real, im out of drugs '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you're increasing the marginal profit for evil.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'move to oregon/washington state'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'or colorado'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but it's expensive there'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'and wayyyy tooo many white people'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers with Quelz about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I thought you were a cracker? :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i am'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even remotely as expensive as it is here'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'but i got a little soul my friend... i like culture'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i chill with "the brothas" a lot'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'here is the thing TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look out, a thing is coming'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'whenever you have a high concentration of just one race, things get all screwy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US might not be improving at a continues rate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but for a long time it has been a great place to live'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why change the formula'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has been a great place to live and is fast becoming worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'tiger hit the nail on the head'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK used to be a great place to live, it's getting worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Australia was a great place to live, it's getting worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, misery loves company, and the U.S. is doing it's best to become the U.K.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'give us another 20-30 years and we might get there'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'find me an English speaking country where things aren't getting worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm getting tired of the nanny state mentality'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I dunno about English speaking, but what about Sweden'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sweden has it's own problems'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Norway'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nanny state socialist heaven and a frigid climate to go with it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'joy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see sweden'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'scandinavian countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'strong social safety net, good health, good education, happy people'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you've quite grasped the idea of "freedom and liberty"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'low income inequality'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people taut their health care, but there's some major issues with it that people just tend to ignore'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Razkin person again...
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with the UK health system'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'scandanavia is one of the best places on earth to live'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well TN you think you have it bad there, come here'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if this was 50 years ago i might have'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'definitely wouldn't right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WHAT is the point'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it good that it's going to shit?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just in terms of healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is that ok?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you have complaints about the NHS, come here'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for my personal circumstances it would be no worse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you haven't been screwed over until you've dealth with an insuarance company'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were in the USA i'd be paying for my own treatment, so there'd be no difference'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps a little more freedom over the treatments available'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'You REALLY haven't been screwed over until you date a horrible girl :PP'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you would pay for your own treatment if you "could"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but healthcare isn't top of my list of concerns'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'otherwise you wouldn't be getting treated'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not except when i can afford it, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NHS doesn't treat me'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'thankfully our health care plan is pretty good, had to get a ct scan last summer and it cost 7k, we only had to pay 120 dollars after insurance'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'good thing you can afford insurance and they didn't decline you for preexisting or spending all you allotted funds then'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not quite sure how that fits in, but I thought I'd share it :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i still don't think you get it, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well yeah, but it wasn't a preexisting condition, but I get what you're saying'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i pay full wack for what treatment i get now, the NHS does not provide it, nor do they subsidise it, neither do health insurance cover it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'always willing to learn new things TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be no diferent in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well unless you are getting your balls botoxed smooth, sounds terrible'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'referring to earlier arguments, it's often misunderstood what the healthcare does and does not to hre'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except that the same treatment could cost several times more in the US, on account of there not being a free/cheap alternative.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a trauma it's great, if you get cancer or a communicable disease, it's ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a long term degenerating condition, it's fucking rubbish'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is still sweet TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'compare to here it is'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'id rather pay more to get better and quicker health services'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? it costs me a similar amount here for the national health service than it would for private health cover in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it would cover much the same stuff'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'rather than be put on some waiting list to get a flu shot'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you have trauma, cancer or communicable, degenerating condition and no money? better luck next time'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'IMHO health care shouldn't be a commodity'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if that's socialist oh well'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already had this argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lets run with your premise TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's premise?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'go with UK system where some people get shafted'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or go with US system where the majority do'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a false comparison'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in your case'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd characterise it a different way'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the people getting shafted are those with degenerative conditions who could afford better care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i.e. some'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the USA a few people are underpresented with care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK everyone is presented with poor care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like 10% or more'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i havent had health insurance... ever'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have no care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '60% or more have shitty care'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'nor have i had a bank account in over 7 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What is a bank ?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a place where you keep money you don't immediately need'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so they can loan it back to you at usurious rates :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, no.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Use a credit union if you can, it is the only smart choice.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'always have, but I condsider them to be practically the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then you are not smart.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Credit unions are completely different with different rules that govern them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem with socialised medicine is that it leads to rationing based on cost, and leads to unjustified social control'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quelz nods
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'credit unions are banks - the pure profit motive'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem with free market healthcare is that it leads to access based on income'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as far as i can see there is no panacea'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'glad you see that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, credit unions are coops, and the profit is shared with the members.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said it an hour ago when we talked about it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i also said that hybrid systems are where the corruption occurs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'through my credit union, the mortgage on my house is at 2.1 % for a 15 year mortgage.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fixed?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fixed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'forever?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not bad'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'y'all are speaking greek to me now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for 15 years, or whenever before that I decide to pay it off.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's unheard of here. Even fixed-rate mortgages here only fixed for 2-6 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the lowest bank mortgage rate right now is 2.25 %'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'rates are historically low, and credit unions don't have to make gargantuation profits'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the longer they are fixed, the more expensive they become'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chepest rates here around 4.5%'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typical mortgage rates are 4% above base'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why i would be extremely nervous about buying right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i still remember 15% interest rates'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'practically highway robbery'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'historically 5% interest rates were typical, thus mortgages at around 8-9%'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure I'd ever buy a house again'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now, attach this to the fact that a typical small rural property here costs 10-15x typical wages'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, I get why people do, but I don't think people get out of it what they think they will'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and there's still this mentality that a house is an investment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'better than renting and paying off your landlords mortgage'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is an investment, if you own it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a house is an investment vehicle if you are smart about it, but if you intend on living in the house...then it isnt an investment.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Razkin, it was that which led the the fucking up of the housing market in the UK between 1970 and now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '10-15x typical annual income?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Elf'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'most of the research that's been done on it shows that if you hold a house for thirty years, and take into account upkeep and improvements, you break about even'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Thats if you are lucky'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'for almost everyone, a house is more of a forced savings'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and that's if you don't refinance'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'break-even includes the cost of rent somewhere comparable?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like I said, if you own it, it is an investment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if you rent, yes you're paying off other people's mortgage, but you tend to be able to put more away'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think that it wont be possible to make money from just "living" anylonger. Those times are in the past.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I suppose if you can own it very quickly, but even then, the longer you hold onto it, the more maintenance you'll put into it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'people dont' calculate the other costs, usually'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they simply look at the fact they bought it for 100k and sold it for 300k'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but ideally it will grow in value, offsetting maintenance'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you are capable, I would get a bank loan of around $300k and then go to some city where the houses are around $30k each and buy 8 of them, and do cosmetic fixups, and then rent out the houses.....the rent on a $30,000 house is much much higher than the mortgage payment.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they forget that over 20 years they may have put 100k into improvments, or repairs, or whatever else'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'answer majic's question please..... kinda key'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'im off ladies and gentleman, my brain is sufficiently fried for one aardwolf session'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'later Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I'm not saying owning a house is bad, just that it's almost never an investment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'unless you can flip it around for significantly more than what you paid for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not really supposed to be an investment per-say'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree, but people think it is'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but chances are it will work out cheaper than renting in the long run'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's an investment in your family's future'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'later raz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'your more purchasing a lifestyle than an investment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'it's been fun twyst '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'later Quelz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'real estate has made more millionaires than anything else......because you are supposed to buy during the recession or depression, and rent them out forewer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not really, you could save more and invest more without a house, at least usually'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you couldn't'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the housing market tanks, you still own the house'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it will eventually come back'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on what kind of a house you buy, how much houses cost compared to renting, property tax, utilities, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can get a mortgage more cheaply than rent right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and if you're young enough, you're ok'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the stock market is for dummies'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with interest rates at historical norms, it works out about equal'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh for sure, but for instance, my wife and I lived in an apartment before this house, it was only a few hundred square feet smaller, but cost almost 900 dollars less'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and I didn't have to pay for repairs, upkeept, etc'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also depends on whether you are handy enough to do your own repairs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I had more money invested, and saved, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the US, rents are growing much faster then in any other time in US history.....all those former home owners still need places to live.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, my wife and I are considering getting rid of our home'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's also the "freedom to move" vs "desire to settle long term" argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we're lucky, we live in a rare area where our home hasn't really devalued much'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I hadn't gotten there yet, Tiger, but that was going to be my next point'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if your financial situation changes, it's easy to adjust your living situation'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'much hard to do in a home'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it makes me angry when pro-renters push that as a norm, it's an entirely personal choice'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it certainly isn't something that you should jump into blind, which a lot of people do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm just saying that I don't think people look at the whole picture'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens a lot from both angles, raz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I run into a lot of people that buy a home because everyone tells them they need to buy a home, and that it's a good investment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'all things being equal, renting is better than owning'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'haha, vice versa that is'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I"m just saying that people need to step back and really think about what it is that they want out of a home, and why they're buying it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people are sheep.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all things aren't equal, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it takes extraordinary circumstances for the opposite to be true though TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, either way, I'm going to go take a shower :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you are young, I say just buy a van and live in it while working, and save your money.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'later all'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'houses in general and land in particular will only appreciate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'over the long haul, yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'later'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'just hope that you're not at a point in your life where you don't have the time to wait, but either way, take care, was fun as always'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty much illegal here, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also not very practical given the climate'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you'd need a good winter-camping sleeping bag'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Israel reportedly launching airstrikes on Lebanon/Syria border overnight'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4th quarter US results show 0.1% contraction in gdp'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'so, pretty much 0'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'the cliff..'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'School threatens to suspend 5yr old for gun made out of lego'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when does the hysteria end?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'Are you suggesting a nonzero amount of tolerance for guns?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couple facing 60 days in jail for rescuing injured baby deer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'govt spending plunge, growth negative. Nothing much new on that front...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.learnliberty.org/content/are-poor-getting-poorer?utm_source=Video%20Viewers&utm_medium=video%20annotation&utm_content=Social%20Justice%202%20-%20Opps%20annotation&utm_campaign=General'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Wow, that almost made sense for a moment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'But they never bring up things such as inflation and the cost of items in 1976 in comparison of today'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Krache, if they didn't account for inflation it means the well off have got poorer'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Hey Joe," Santelli said, "when you act like Europe, you get growth rates like Europe, and our discussions with economists sounds like we're in Europe. They have the same discussions constantly."'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(moving on)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I am not arguing that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'when is world war 3 going to break out think that will get economy going'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Youtube set to introduce paid subscriptions. Who -didn't- see that coming?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would NEVER! pay for youtube'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you me both, kiddo'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I could pay for good content via youtube. Not videos of stupid cats, tho.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Paying for YouTube wouldnt be a bad idea, it does cost money to run afterall'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'It could still be free, but paid gets faster downloads etc.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the advertisers pay the owners'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'probably paid skips ads, faster dl'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you mean stream, not download?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'muggers in South Africa are targetting black people for their DREADLOCKS'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'ya'll still going at it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we took a break'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'i took a nap lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so who is into stocks and what is your take on the auto industry?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"no"'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not into stocks, but i wouldn't buy auto shares period'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil, shale gas, arms and weaponary'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why not auto'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an industry hiding huge amounts of losses, insanely competitive'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of the prestige car manufacturers investing in china might be worth a punt, like Range Rover, Audi, BMW, Mercedes'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's reliant on China not collapsing or going to war'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'china and india have very low cars per capita'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also have terrible roads and extreme poverty'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'poverty should decrease over time in those two countries'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well they are able to be very competitive in labor prices'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'flexible solar panels are great.....128 watts for $240 now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't translate into wealth, elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and teh savings rate is pretty high in at least china'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i suggested the prestige car market'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's where most of germany's export rises are going'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor chinese will buy cheap chinese cars, not a ford or a chevy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well ford will be opening a plant in india which should help they cost of fords for the Chinese '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be a while before it helps'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and they are selling fords in china 20% groth in 2012'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at best it might offset losses in the west'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and ford is gaining market share in hybrids in the west'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pfft, hybrids'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hybrids are a waste of money right now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hybrids are bad for the environment'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'maybe a waste but people still buying'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not that many.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rich dumb people, celebrities and liberals mostly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and why bad for environment compared to regular'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'less than 100k a year total.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'batteries, elchana'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those lithium batteries use a metal that is extremely rare.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'require insane amounts of scarce resources to make, huge amounts of co2 to manufacture'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the supply of lithium is really really low.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and don't last'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you have not heard daimler ag ford and nissan joined up to work on fuel cell rechnology'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointless, just run hydrogen cars'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fuel cell technology is almost as old as batteries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nasa was using fuell cells in the 50s and 60s.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'still not cost enffective to do fuel cells'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas cars make more sense, and it will lead into hydrogen.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NASCAR is considering switching to methane.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'methane is the most abundant organic compound on earth.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anangel: 'CH4 - lets hear it for H !'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quelz: 'no wonder i fart a lot'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is issues with nat gas'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention the amount of methane in the atmosphere has increased to 1800 parts per billion, up from 700 ppb in 1750.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'works great for fleets'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how you planning to extract that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but really would make more sense to convert gas to liquid fuels then use it'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is sad when it is flared off because we dont have the willpower to connect those sources to the natgas network.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Waste Management by using waste gas is becoming one of the largest producers of alternative power.  Another revenue stream other than waste collection.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'water treatment plants could do the same.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Factory farms could harness all that poop power to reduce its costs, and better compete by lowering prices for meat.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but poop is good fertilizer too'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the crap left over from producing methane gas is used for fertilizer.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea i guess they get gas form it first'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All the sewage plants, garbage dumps, and factory farms in the US, if they were producing methane for power could power about 5% of the country.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so cant batteries be recycled?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'as in fixed up and good as new?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well yea'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'recovery of the materials in them'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'covert those back to original form'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and reconstruct battery'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'some of the chemical processes that happen in some of the batteries are reversible'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but that's not true for all of them unfortunately'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'gift'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well as long as material is not lost i would think that with enough processing it could be recovered however some processes would not be cost effective'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'eh, the genius of American law.  In Virginia, a bill that outlaws an unmarried couple from living together ($500 fine and 60 days jail time) also applies to sex in public places.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so partially right law, wrong reasoning'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, two laws mashed together because one part perhaps was thought to be unsuccessfully passed on its own.  The two are completely unrelated to each other.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'US congress does this all the time, hoping to pin the other side in an objection they can't defend.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the last execution of this law was back in the 90s, when a state inspector had a daycare license pulled because the daycare worker had a live-in boyfriend at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's something that could be fixed in the USA system, need to prevent riders in bills'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a fucknut way of governing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'There would be a rider on the bill stopping riders'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's been such a run on gun sales that gun traders are turning up with wadges of cash at police gun buy-back schemes to buy up all the stuff'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free market in actionm'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and funny as hell imho)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'yep, just what I want a gun I buy at the gun shop connected to a murder'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you really thought buyback programs were all about getting guns off the streets?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the threat of gun bans is an amazing marketing strategy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun sales from dealers are registered, aldreas'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd have a receipt registered with nix'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or whatever it was'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they should just threaten to ban weapons every year and then stop the bills from passing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having said that, most guns sold at these buybacks are duffs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'wait so are the dealers buying guins from the people who are interested in the buyback program before they do it?  Or are they buying the guns from the cops?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, pre-cops'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'was in a gander mountain the other day... you had to take a number inorder to get service'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at it this way, the gun traders are short of parts'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'lol, thats a way to uh... break it down'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only recycling, the authoritarian liberals should be happy!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'I have a buddy who's been buying those thirty round magazines waiting for the ban to profit out of it... he's never even owned a gun'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'liberals want gun bans, not less guns.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it'll make him much, they won't be illegal everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that way, when crime goes up and people call for action it'll be Big Brother who can rush in and save the day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'big brother can kiss my arse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'It's just hillarious to me that he hasn't shot a gun or owned one but has a box of magazines to sell'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'whats happening with that thing in texas where it would be illegal for feds to come in and confiscate weapons'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what wrong with 30 round mags any ways ... most leathal shooting in the us to date(VT) was done with pistols'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how dare you bring facts into a devicive debate based off baseless soundbites trying to provoke a reaction to attain a political goal!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how dare you!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 6 50 round mags and they work great.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Not a thing, just struck me as odd that buddy was buying them considering he has NO experience with guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those shootings were the result of massive demonstrations in response to an offensive gun-control video.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever next? next you'll be pointing out that almost every mass shooting murder since the 1980s the shooter has been on SSRi medication'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then it'll be the sky falling down on heads!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the whole gun would have to be redesigned though to use a smaller clip......it would pretty much destroy it....so I am guessing Belgium will just stop selling them in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'what kind of gun is that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'P90'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just ordered 5 of them, $1400 each. :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why would gun design need to be changed for smaller clip'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 3 50 round clips for each one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus christ, riz, you'll have the feds bursting down the door shooting you as a tea party alqaeda terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'lol the p90 brings back memories of counterstrike and bunnyhopping'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, take a look at the gun, it uses a horizontal 50 round clip.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and did you know DHS documents said tea party members joining up with al-quaeda is an outcome they've planned contingency for?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone in the government machine has been drinking their own kool aid'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're watching the Sisters of the Heavenly Grace for terrorism ties, it's not really that surprising.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you can allways keep the dimensions of the clip the same but limit what can go inside'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to mention commissioning TV series to try and create the illusion of realism for the idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It seems to me tho, those intelligent gun makers in Belgium will just come out with a multi clip gun to bypass the 10 round clip rule.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'buyer's remorse for those 5 p90's already, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, I love the guns'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I have 6 of them, not 5'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the mp5 is great for destroying watermelons.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sonic weapons are so cool'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guns are good'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Disdain: 'don't tell a liberal that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberal is a bit of a hijacked term don't you think?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am liberal when it comes to guns, everyone should have one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we call "liberal people" really are the opposite'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'amen to that riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hell if 10% of the population carried and most of the no carry zones were eliminated a bunch of problems would not arrise'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'crazy people and criminals would not stop being either just because the good guys were packing heat.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'once they commit to their chosen course of action, they're still going to whip out and try to shoot somebody.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'need to find the article but there was a place that was having high crime rates to the made it an ordinace for everyone to carry ... crime rates plummeted'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was georgia somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iirc'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and there are studies suggesting that when people are in a crowd and they are aware of the capabilities of those around them, they tend to avoid acting themselves.  So you can't exactly count on the average joe who notices a gun being drawn to draw his own and shoot the bastard, since he's probably thinking you're going to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'wild west was not tamed because a few sheriffs but instead because the citizens armed them self and formed posses to hunt down the criminals'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well you should never just draw and shoot someone just because you see them drawing'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'especially if there were allready shots fired'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that would be very flawed logic'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you wanna go after the criminal shooter not the defending shooter'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think what you probably want to do is leave shooters alone'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not leave them alone.  Mandatory psych evaluation and all that other aftermath stuff they make cops and federal agents do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'first thing you want to do weather you are armed or not is hit the floor and seek cover and then figure out what the hell is going on'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that sort of stuff can be found independantly, but I doubt many can afford it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i argued right at the start of the gun debate that you want a "gun owner" license that goes hand in hand with training and proof of ownership of correct storage'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'together with yearly renewal for your medical background checks, but with judicial oversight and correct grievence procedure'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea like the two cops in nyc that shot like 16 rounds at a shooter that was maybe 15 ft outside empire state building, they hit 3 bystanders and another 6 got injured by fragments'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you see video of that cop at a protest threatening a guy with a bubble-maker that if a bubble touched him, they'd arrest him for assaulting a police officer?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'more criminals are shot and killed by citizens than by cops with way less bystander casualties'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there was a rolling shootout here once between DEA/ATF and gangbangers with something like 4 feet of space separating all involved.  Everyone emptied their clips, but the only things hit were the buildings they were passing.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in a perfect world.....every good citizen would have a gun and know how to use it well....would practice with it to keep skills honed....and when an evil doer tried to cause harm....the good citizen would blow the evil doer to hell.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in that world, there would be many less evil doers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'riz what do you think about yearly qualifying for CC permits'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as it was every other year, and you could do it at your gun range.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'every other yea would work too possibly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'idea is to have CC people have the judgment of when to use their firearm and to be accurate when it is deemed nessasary '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Some guy drove his car into the wrong driveway, and the owner blew him away.....the owner should be charged with murder and put on trial.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably will'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the driveway of a house is considered public property, and you do not have the right to shoot someone.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'depends on what the driver was doing once he got out of his car.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt matter, it is public property.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'almost like the drunk dude in colorado that lost his keys and broke his neighbors window thinking it was his house'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what idiot decided that your driveway was public property?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The driveway has been considered public property for a very long time.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think it is here'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because it is directly connected to the road.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Don't know of any states which allow you to use deadly force for someone simply stepping foot onto your property, without any other threat of harm. lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'personally i dont think i would shoot someone through a door unless i had very good reason to think they were armed'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as the person does not cause damage to said property to get onto the driveway, it is considered public property in that instance.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the solution is put a locked gate up'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'What state are you referring to anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im sorry but shooting someone for driving on to your property is excessive use of force'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'undoubtedly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'nah it's not excessive it's murder/attempted in my opinion'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'And I think most, if not all, courts would agree =D'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, just put up a gate to protect your driveway, that negates the public property law regarding driveways as long as the gate is closed.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a locked gate doesn't matter if you have a swimming pool.  You're at fault if someone gets hurt climbing over it, and heaven help you if they died/drowned as a result.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not if you put up no trespassing signs.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, in some cases you're still liable.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'even shooting someone if you have a notrespassing sign...'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i mean shit someone lost looking for directions your the only farm for miles'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You cannot protect yourself from stupidity of other people, all you need is a no tresspassing sign to protect yourself legally....look it up :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your old common laws still hold, if it's one person trespassing you can't shoot him'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's more than one, then you can'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'becomes criminal trespass at that point'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not talking about shooting someone, we are talking about some idiot tresspassing and getting hurt in your pool.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'shooting is also relevant.  In some cases, yard is concerned private property and shooting them becomes self-defense.  Other cases, yard is considered to be public property and shooting them becomes attempted murder even if it WAS self-defense.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i dont get how its self defence if the person is not threatening'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a person refuses to leave, that's threatening behaviour'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'means you can shoot a religious person knocking on doors to give out bibles'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'I agree, if someone is climbing your gate in you backyard and you dont fear them.  Can you say "haha you climbing over my gate you trespasser now die" and shoot them?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes if they are refusing to leave'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'pfff what state do you live in?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are even some cases where shooting the guy once he gets into the house can mean you go to jail.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that has happened in the UK, and it's a fucked up rule'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, the front step of a house is considered public property also, just like the driveway. :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't have a step, then'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can only shoot someone on your front step if they are trying to get into your house.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I launch a unmanned paper hot air ballon it is my responsibility to recover it so it does not cause damage to someones property if i have to climb a fence then thats that i have to do'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with permission'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you cannot just walk onto someone elses property without permission.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only police can do that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or utility workers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even then only under certain conditions, riz'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'True, you can't you can get sued for trespassing.  But does not equal automatic self-defense to kill the person'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, police the carte blanche when it comes to coming on your property....they just can't come in your buildings without a warrant or permission.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think anyone was suggesting it was'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather, police have'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'solution is to build your house in a rectangle with the garden fully contained'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how are you going to get past easement laws?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'Believe a few comments from before suggested that Tiger, if not, then my bad.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or just covery your walls with razorwire and landmines'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'both of which are illegal in the possession of civilians.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use a flock of attack llamas then'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kinda gives the police a good reason to come storming in.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We use barbed wire on our outer wall just fine.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty typical in ranch country'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'barbed wire is not razorwire.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You haven't seen our barbed wire then.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is curled on top of our 8 foot tall stone wall.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'barbed wire is harder to get through than razor wire in many cases'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'clip razor wire and it just springs a part leaving a gap to pass through'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you raising dinosaurs or something, Riz?  What rancher uses an 8' stone wall?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'took 5 years of extra work to build that wall around an 1600 acre ranch, but it was worth it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'behind the wall is a wall of hybrid poplar trees.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: 'marijuana?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dresory: '=P'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, a tank'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, 10 years ago grandpa bought a tank....it sits on a hill overlooking the driveway.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and no, grandpa wanted a fence around his ranch.....he figured he could build one faster than the US govt could build one on the southern border with Mexico....he was right.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, a wall, not a fence.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how tall is this wall?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which one?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'around the ranch'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '10' tall'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '8 feet tall stone and concrete wall with 2 feet of barbed wire on top.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does wildlife get in?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is an 1600 acre ranch, it lives in the ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ballistic trajectory'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you manage deer/hog populations?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard he's got a catapult aimed perfectly for efficient delivery of carcasses to the slaughterhouse.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably slaughters himself'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, I didn't say it wasn't on the property!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our ranch is surrounded by other ranches......so if we ever want to expand, we have to buy up other ranches....and big ranches are expensive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'whoa, US cats kill an estimated 1.4-3.7 billion birds and 6.9-20.7 billion small mammals each year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats cos city dwellers and suburbanites keep loads of pets'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'domestic cats are supposed to be for smallholdings for vermin management'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the biggest threat are the feral/unowned cats, with an estimated 30-80 million of those, each taking 23-46 birds/129-338 small mammals a year.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and it's not pets being taken, usually.  Preferred prey seem to be native species like voles and chipmunks.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'has anyone come across any establishments that are adding swipe fees to bills?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'plenty'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though recent legislation means that it is limited to a cost representative of the cost incurred by the vendor'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what are swipe fees'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the fee payed by the merchant to the bank and credit card co for processing transaction'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some utilities are adding an extra charge for sending snail-mail paper bills in an attempt to force customers to receive bills electronically - when Bell Canada did that, some cancelled the TV satellite service'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the fee payed by the merchant to the bank and credit card co for processing transactiondebate both credit card and debit card'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been doing that here for a long time, zade, banks are doing the same with paper statements'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and last time i checked it is illegal for vendors to have that minimum credit card transaction amount'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think there's any legal issues here with that'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think vendors here are forced to accept payments that would cause problems, like paying in change'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i understand the rules are different in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ahh nevermind they are now allowing up to 10$ min'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have heard of some american businesses, mostly chains refusing cash'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cost of an isp or smartphone service is likely at least $500 a year'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'calling police because soemone paid with a $100'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'wonder how much money gets laundered through cash only business'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I've never heard of an American business outright refusing cash.  I have heard of them having cash-only or credit-only lines for checkout, though.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not as much as via HSBC'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and other banks'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even McDonald's was doing it until recently'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(likely that) Tigernuts is trolling  '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-18866018'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704059004575128062835484290.html'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'boycott McDonalds and eat healthier'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody goes to jail, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you're martha stewart'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'martha stewart goes to jail for insider trading, mark zuckerberg does not, that's the power of being an nsa insider'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that limits me to fruit, veggies, and meat.  Everything else is processed and therefore just as "terrible" as McDonald's.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grilling hotdogs is good.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you stay away from McDonalds a long while, the next visit: McDonalds smells greasy on entry and the food tastes greasy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but after the unfortunate McDonalds customer loads up on the grease, perhaps the food doesn't smell or taste as greasy'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the saps may even look forward to the grease'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'char grilling meat is good for you.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'do it on charcoal.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dr Oz disagrees'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'straight carbon probably isn't good for you, and many people just do not like the taste of char to begin with.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, charrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'might be kinda why we use it for poison control'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'charring produces carcinogens'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'baby back ribs with homemade bbq sauce.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'baked beans, buttered asparagus, and potato salad'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth the butcher-farmer likely wants folk to eat delicious (but not certified cancer-free) foods from his farm '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so be wary of what Rizgoth advertises'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(the greed for money make liars out of businessmen)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '15'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people enjoying the hike in bills thanks to obamacare?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I didn't get a hike.  Where's my money, Allah!?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2.3% medical excise tax'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'folk used to take carbon pills to absorb toxins -- not sure whether that practice was of actual medicinal value'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'activated charcoal'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what do you think activated charcoal is, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a placebo?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'similar to the homeopathy placebos'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, it actually works.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you're brave enough to try, you can test for yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can even make your own firebox like the spec ops do.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'besides, if it was a placebo then lots of people would've dropped dead from a poison that was still in their system.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another example of some selective editing on the part of MSNBC to twist the scope and context of a story (remember they edited Trayvon Martin phone call footage to make it sound like he was racist): http://tinyurl.com/bf8hvst'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i purchased carbon pills, never took them - i suppose i disbelieve in quackery -- like what is the activated charcoal going to extract when passing through the gastrointestinal tract - near nada'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is that the father of one of the sandy hook kids heckling the school?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not exactly no'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, there's something even more recent than that?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he asks the people a question, they answer him, he responds, MSNBC cuts out the response and then claims that 'gun supporters heckled the father and interupted his grief''
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is MSNBC related to Microsoft'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'partnership of Microsft and NBC'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'msnbc is now owned only by nbc'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it used to be a partnership of ms and nbc, and a jointly owned company.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'msnbc.com changed to nbcnews.com'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shit left wing drivel if you ask me, but there'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd get a less biased news from Russia Today, lol'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the USA equivalent of Pravda'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's Pravda?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Pravda" supposedly meant "Truth" but published lies'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pravda was renowned as russian state propoganda media during the soviet era'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aljazeera just bought Al Gores tv channel......aljazeera news network coming to your tv soon!'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'whoha fb down 7.5 % after hrs'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA equivalent? MSNBC, CNN'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no direct comparison, but the nearest you get - government funded, government steered'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whatever was published in "Pravda", the soviet citizens surmised that the opposite as nearer the actual truth'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Anything that has the letters NBC, ABC, and CBC in it, or owned by their parent companies.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'AJNN '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we aren't yet telling outright lies to each other, but those three networks are learning that what the government doesn't want you to know about they just don't report.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't learning, they are told'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just from your government, either, did you hear about CNN and the pressure/links to the Bahrain government?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're starting to see some really fucked-up shit as a result, like a story on some rumour that Ben & Jerry's is to debut a new flavor here next month instead of reporting on something relevant to Sandy Hook or whatever is the big story.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you sound surprised :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we get this in the UK all the time, i have to watch foreign news channels to hear about anything that is going on of note around the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you saw UK's coverage of the American election, you'd think only one candidate was standing, it was bizarre'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in the past, they would try edits and relevant stories meant to swing public opinion in a particular direction.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they still do that, clearly'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but not as much.  Best to avoid letting the opinion form at all.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol for concealed weapons permit in fl the hunters education class constitutes as firearm training'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh how the not-mighty have fallen. Illinois GOP politicians want to pass marriage equality as soon as possible because more Illinoisians support gay marriage than oppose now and it is predicted that by the mid-term elections of 2014, a majority (the pro-side is below 50% right now, at 47%) will support it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are GOP politicians in Illinois?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is her name?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They don't want to have a hot-button issue (on which they're losing) to interfere with the 2014 elections so they're going against their own party line (and in fact their own beliefs, so of them) to pass it.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you know their own beliefs?'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '19 GOP senators.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only belief an Illinois politician has is in the deepest pocket.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol for concealed weapons permit in fl the hunters education class constitutes as firearm trainingl'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'oopse'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cool.  As a direct result of Obamacare, I get to pay more tax on biofuel.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so...smokers and fat people are now being talked about as the first targets of suggested death panels under obamacare.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'next would probably come addicts and other druggies.  If we haven't revolted by then, they'll probably do the convicted next since that's basically a sector of society nobody would miss (and, hey, solves the problem of overcrowding which means more money for all).  I guess after that would come premies and old people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(some may opine) the government refusing (to pay) to treat smokers for self-inflicted-smoke-caused-injuries is economic-triage and not a death-panel '
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if te USA is going bankrupt, then those that wilfully damage themselves are on their own'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but since (or if) the USa-politicians are callous deceitful and corrupt, perhaps the economic-triage-policy is a thin disguise for death-panels'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the USA a benign Christian nation, or a country usurped by the callous greedy rich'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gott 1 mastery point two separate times'
T3/r7/2013-01-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'miss chan'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Another 200-1000 coal power plants to be shut down or forced into bankruptcy by left-wing policy over next 5 years. Voters not told of of prices escalating as competition for electricity from Mexico spikes... not to mention job losses'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dr Garrow (PHd) reports that psychiatric manual DSM5 will include a generic (invented) mental illness with sufficiently broad scope that anyone that the government wants can be "labelled" as such. These people will be unable to own firearms, will be unable to leave the country or travel interstate except with expressed permission, will be subject to arbitrary searches by law enforcement, will not be able to be employed by government, or in schools, daycare, law enforcement or military, and will be forced to wear inside or about their person an RFID tracking chip'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jew 2.0, essentially'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would stress that this is his prediction based on what IS going to be put into DSM5, and based on the legislation being penned at the moment'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'this isn't really anything novel -- there are so many laws, that if they want to get you, sooner or later they will'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will also stress that it IS a logical leap, but it is sufficiently dangerous that should be made aware of'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Swalec.
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not novel, but is turning the volume way up'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'this is the reason why we (generally) do have due process'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the enabling legislation will be in Obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I believe one cannot go 24 hours without breaking a law :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it is possible for a jury to decide that, even though you clearly did what you are accused off, you are still not guilty'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's more complex thatn that Anaristos -- you cannot know that you have no broken a law, only that you have'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'innocent until proven guilty, ironically, also implies "not yet found guilty"'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'If I kill someone, have I committed murder? Well, not until the judge decides that I have'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just pointing out how restricted our freedom is :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but restricted freedom is an oxymoron'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, but your point doesn't prove this. I mean, yesterday, I didn't get arrested, and I didn't get tried. The probability is that in the rest of my life, I will not get arrested or tried or convicted for anything that I did yesterday. So, while they may be something that I did that I could potentially be arreseted for, in practice I won't.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately you have the full weight of vested corporate interests, dumb bottomfeeding 'liberals', and dependants against you'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is where you always lose the plot TN, dumb bottomfeeding liberals...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you assume that criminals (anyone who breaks a law) are caught each time :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's fortunate, therefore, that most liberals, or indeed way out lefties like myself, are neither dumb nor bottom feeding, so are not included in your statement TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry twyst, it's a comment that plays to the choir, but you watch anything on MSNBC or CNN and you see what I mean - rabid left-wing people'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the type of rabid personality cult followers that say that "if you don't agree with us, you're racist" or other such bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'quite the opposite Anaristos -- you said that our freedom was restricted because there are so many laws, I say that it isn't because we don't get arrested for breaking them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the trick, they're NOT liberals'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by definition'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you a fake liberal or a real liberal, swalec?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'what left-wingers? I think taht depends on definitions really, but these days "rabid left-wingers" is used to describe anyone left of centre'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'lawbreakers are potential arrestees, a true free person would never be one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'according to your strange definitions? To know this, I would have to understand your mind, and that is somewhere I don't want to go TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i use rabid left-wingers to describe afformentioned authoritarian fake liberals who think you're racist for not wanting high taxation, large government and police state'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'who is free though Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one, but the slogans are still there :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no personal bones with people who are left-wing. I  don't agree with them at an ideological level, but I don't call them rabid or be rude to them'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'oh, I am a big fan of the police state. I want to see them rounding up people, and hurding them off to the camps regularlty'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just look out of your window, Swalec :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might find that funny, swalec, but that's where you're headed'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you've got hysteria going on such as suspending 5yr olds for having a lego gun, or for pointing his finger at another kid and saying 'bang''
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or where you call the police on a 5yr old for having a bubble-blower'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in Los Angeles, for instance, it is very hard to do something publicly that won't be caught on camera.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, looking out of my window, I can see a motorway, the town moor, and some cold looking cows'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything is well in your world. Other people who are using the same political labels as you are doing this crazy things'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone has to stand up and say "no" to this kind of bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Look at the US. How can they claim to be a free nation and have Gitmo? Easily, they will tell you that Gitmo is part of the way they guarantee freedom :) There must be some logic there but very subtly hidden :>'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not hidden, it's missing'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mind you, I am not arguing for or against Gitmo. I am pointing out that you can't claim to be a free nation and sustain such a place.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you want to not be a free nation?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but that goes back to my earlier question, US has never been a free nation'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's free'er'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well admitting the problem exists is a good start'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'unless the problem doesn't exist, and it is all in your mind? in which case, it's a bad start. I just raise it as a possibility'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think we can agree that gitmo exists, and that there is hysteria going on over security'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Freedom is an absolute. Free-er is a nonsense. You can posit it as degrees of freedom and that might work. But one is either free or not free.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think intelligence and DHS overreach is imaginary'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if I am free to choose between two houses, and you can't leave yours'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no such thing as being 99% free. Freedom only comes in one flavor, 100%'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I am free'er than you, but not free Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are less restricted than I, not free-er'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'sophism'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'neither one of us is free.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you both would need to carefully define both terms to see why you differ in opinion'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'are their absolutes in nature Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'freedom and restriction have no opposites. 100% Free does not equal 0% restricted.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is an interesting philosophy, please elaborate'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you cannot define freedom in terms of restrictions or vice versa.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they are polar opposites Anaristos, one is define by the earth'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'other that is'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'haha'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'things are not either black or white, they are black or not black, white or not white. Freedom is the same way. You are either free or not free, restricted or not restricted. But one is not the opposite of the other.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anyway, good night. Maybe tomorrow ;)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'convenient exit but okay :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think it's terribly important, but i don't completely agree with anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand what he's saying, but it's not a helpful interpretation because it robs you of the ability to define the colour of freedom'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a corruptionless, limited regulation system you are not free, but at least the due process is reliable and defined enough as to be predictable.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can define that as being free to an extent because you can always predict an outcome'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you (and the UK) have is an UNpredictable system where colour of law is used, laws are sufficiently broad that they can be used for whatever they want to achieve'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that means it is not free, your freedom isn't guaranteed, it's subject to the whims of the people in charge'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'hmmm, so what you are saying is that the people in charge, get to control things?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'is that not the definition of "in charge"?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that isn't a left-vs right, socialism vs free market issue, it's a liberty vs authoritarian issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately for swalec and twyst, the people in charge, despite being left of centre, are also authoritarian, which tends also to be the case for many (but not all) left-wing governance, including communism'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'right, so we are currently in a left-wing totalitarian state?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct vector direction, magnitude smaller'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, to channel Chemosh, there are large similarities with Nazi Germany'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you're not unique, it's happening in a lot of places'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Chemosh gives me the impression that he is on acid most of the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'comparisons to Nazi Germany? hmm'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'specifically, huge homeland security clamp down, persecution of certain societal groups, intermingling of corporate and state functions, centralisation of control'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these things are not deniable, whatever the motivations'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not limited to Obama, some Bush kicked this off'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I agree with you in principle TN, but I think you have the motivations wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you also have to put them into context that Nazi's were socialist, they'er only pigeonholed as extreme right because of the fascism element. in reality left/right can't describe them accurately because it's a two-dimensional argument'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'take Gitmo for example'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come on, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think Obama leaves gitmo opened because he knows he would be crushed by the right as a left wing pussy terrorist sympathizer if he closed it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they opened gitmo outside of US territory so that they could deliberately avoid the law'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'everyone knows that'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'left and right, where only ever a term of convienience TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but look at the blowback he got for suggesting trying the gitmo detainees in America'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a matter of principle, everyone labels me as rightwing, i want it closed, it's an anaethema, it's existence cannot be justified by anyone with a shred of morals'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, that's because you are fairly right-wing'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''fairly'?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are right, it is wholly wrong'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'of course, the meaning has changed somewhat over time'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unjustifiable'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, nowadays, it means neo-con'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's unjustifiable, so STOP JUSTIFYING IT'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'although you are more sort of tea partyish -- basically neo-con but with added dislike of, well, everything'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's because people compromise morals that this stuff happens'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is where the measure of degrees come in TN'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'being totally against gitmo, would allow worse things to be perpetrated'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gitmo was a given for either side'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that cannot possibly be backed up by fact, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'let me explain'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so hammer Obama for not closing Gitmo, and either don't vote for him/vote for Romney'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"we had to invade iraq because they had WMD's!!!!!11!!!11!!1!"'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't vote for either, personally, were i entitled to vote'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Iraq was stupid'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not voting for either is still voting for one of them'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'whoever happens to be in the lead'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a flaw of your system'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gitmo was due to laziness'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that we needed to invade Afghanistan in the first palce'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(we didn't)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there was no need for either of the wars'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but try telling that to scared, gullible, population'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it depends what you mean by "need" -- it was a useful political expedient to do so'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'my favourite is when CIA thought they made WMD's in Bruichladdich distillery in Scotland.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Bruichladdich later released a whisky named WMD, Whisky of mass destruction.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers with ElFeneri about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'at least they weren't bombed to smithereens and then apologized to'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd how these talks always go full circle'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole "don't like gitmo? vote for the other guy" argument leads straight into "they both want the same thing because they're both paid off by the same lobbyists" leads into solution being local governance instead of centralised control....'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American military sure has done a lot of training with local police to shut down american cities of late'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Woo, Walmart has limited ammo sales to 3 boxes per person per day because of the high demand for ammo.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Revolution!'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who makes the ammo, riz? who do i need to invest in?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol, and people gave Nero shit for fiddling while Rome burned'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear Obama's new security bloke (Hagel?) drop the ball and utter some truth on live telly?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he said something to the effect of "The military do not trust the president"'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially because they are being trained to fire upon the american people, being trained that patriots and army veteran are terrorists, upper brass are being kicked out if they express concern'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the Egyptian military had not stood down when the public protested, it would have been an absolute massacre'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can see the problems they're envisaging, and they are doing us all proud'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Could have told you that 16 years ago when clinton was president.....he had a poll done on the military, and 83% of the military said they would not side with the president if there was a major revolution of the people.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's good to know, riz, the difference is we have seen a spate of very senior military forcibly removed from their roles because of that'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a very dangerous precedent'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you also have foreign UN troops training with the military for this eventuality because they don't have the same prejudice'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has few guns, the populace are outgunned, so we'd be less lucky'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a less polarised society, so we have most of the same problems and issues, but perhaps less severe and with the volume of rhetoric turned down'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is ok, I am sure the new govt of the US will gladly give the people of the UK a lease loan for guns.....we can smuggle them in for ya :p'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best we can do is weight of numbers. infrastructure is teeting on the edge of overcapacity. In such a small country, were the government to become tyrannical it wouldn't take a great deal to knock it over'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is a different kind of animal'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'inflation does not make all saver poorer! '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends what you've savings consist of. If your savings are in cash, then yes it does'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it makes the people who keep thier monies in cash poorer'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it reduces the standard of living for anyone who is paid money'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but given that inflation is pretty much a sure thing why would someone save all thier mony in cash form'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'liquidity'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cash extends to money in bank accounts'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'generally wages increase inline with inflation'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'generally they don't, they certainly aren't here'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not with the union busting supply siders that is :P'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'when the real economy is growing, inflation tends to be wage driven. The "good" sort of inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there is good inflation then there is no need for it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ive looked at the data and mean wages have increased along with cpi'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's your problem'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'wages have been stagnant for decades now'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'inflation adjusted'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation measures are subjective, that's why there are so many'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can say you don't need it all you want, but if the rain comes the river will swell.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'wages being flat in real terms means exactly that '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have to be pretty careful to use them in a relevant context'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that wages have risen with inflation'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for best part of a couple of decades, inflation in housing was high, white goods from negative'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'also you have to look at the increased supply of workers due to the fact that more women have decided to work'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now food and electric inflation is high, wages are static in real terms'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but productivity and hours worked are up Elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'increase in supply of labor with demand of labor staying constant would equate to wages lowering and hrs worked increasing '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'to yes twyst'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well its pretty shitty however you slice it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'a simmilar but more drastic effect would be seen i boarders were opened allowing a mass immigration'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and like cancer, will eventually kill the organism'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean like what happened to the UK after 1992, Elchanan?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this is why sensible countries say hang inflation (up to a certain point) and focus on real wages'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im not familiar with uk after 1992'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the deficit/inflation brigade, as usual, miss the forest for the trees.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free movement of labour from poor eastern european countries to UK to drive down wages and conditions. 3 million came here between 2001 and 2011'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which doesn't sound like a lot, but it's equalivent to 7.5million legal mexicans going to US in 10 years'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'as a proportion, we had more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the free markets panacea, cheap labor'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'china and india have been able to compete very effectively with certain types of labor'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'led to an explosion in the cost of our welfare state, too'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'eventually as their wealth builds wages will equalize'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll take generations'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is dependant upon countries like China and USA not using slave labour'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which both do'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'africa in my opinion will be the next place for dirt cheap labor...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China use political dissidents in slave camps, USA uses 'criminals'. In either case it's slavery. Given that 90% of the US prison population is black, you make up your own mind if black slavery ever really ended.....'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it is my understanding that many countries there have a policy of high population growth'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'this will eventually lead to labor abundance on the African continent'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not if they don't wipe them all out in a war first'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes a war could to this but for theory it has to be assumed population growth trend stays intact'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'untill it does not then theory can be adjusted'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure Bill Gates will get over there with his vaccines to steralise and kill them eventually'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'are you familiar with Malthusian theory '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've hear of it, let me refresh my memory'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'basically since land is fixed in size a population can only grow so much before the food production on that land will not support growth'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his ideas are largely correct, though the maths is out'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'using land as a measure is silly though'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't consider a number of factors'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'major flaw with the theory is that he did not take into account rapid productivity increases '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just flattens down the curve, elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why flattens ... '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his worst case scenario is an exponential growth, in reality productivity, technology, and sharing resources means it's not'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however it's undeniable that it's still unustainable'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'exponential is steepen'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah TN is saying his theory assumes exponential when new technology flattens that curve out'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes tiger thats where i was getting eventually changes productivity should not happen as fast  '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll still happen though, noticable here in my lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the world isn't close to saturated though TN, its getting there but no in this lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world maybe not, my own country certainly is, other places like hong kong, japan, will struggle'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and the second place i was getting is i would expect high inflation in food prices as population increases as long as productivity does not out pace the change  '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was around 8-15% food price rise last year, they're expecting the same this year'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise anything over 10% is considered hyperinflation, right?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'food is overproduced right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US government pays farmers not to grow food, to stablize prices'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no the us pays farmers to keep people employed in the agro busnesses'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'big aggro, no less'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK we have a problem with big supermarket cartels having monopoly over the food supply, forcing farmers out of business by paying below cost'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another golf clap for the EU'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'when what they should doo is protect agrolands from being removed by land development'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is, but it's done in a corrupt way'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and if its cheaper to produce food else where then do so'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e large corporate interests buy up landbanks safe in the knowledge they're the only ones who can build on it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'joe bloggs who wants to build a house for himself on a smallholding acnnot'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'developers practically raped south florida on viable farm land'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you either have enough housing for your population or you don't'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't want more houses built, restrict your population'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'build up not out'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many do not want to be crammed together, myself included'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe building under-sea is the answer'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'incidentally, how do you think TN, we should restrict our population while maintaining our freedom? '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, I am just curious?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'education, and by not adovating promiscuity via the welfare system'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and immigration control'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes! state education for all!'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'state education for all who want it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'as more and more farmland is removed cost of producing food on the land left increases'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I don't think that there is any immigration -- we are all in the same world'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absurd notion, swalec'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and that does not help agro business'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'really? there is another world? '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'free movement of labor!'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might as well be, countries and cultures are different, you cannot enforce a single homogenised collective, it just won't wash'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are too different'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'long term the solution is colonisation of other planets'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beyond the scope of our lifetimes though'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'but inside a country, that's fine? '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'need light spped travel at least for that tiger'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inside a country what is fine?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean people are different inside cultures and countries as well'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily, elch'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inside a country, provided the country isn't too large, they are typically similar'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'someone wants to come to the us because there is a job here that wants them great let them come'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(more similar)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'while they are here they will buy product and services'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pay taxes'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that works fine in a puritanical free market, elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in reality, globalisation has major flaws'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'major flaw is that people are soo short sighted that they do something that "protects" them but in reality it hurts every one'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a cop out'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'name one way in which sugar protections have helped out the word?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's cutting off your nose in spite of your face. The fact is countries are different, you can't go back and change history. All you can do is try to help bring those poor countries up without screwing over your own. As they come up to speed you can being to relax the protection'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'world'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'describe these sugar protections and what they do'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US artificially keeps the price of sugar 3x higher in the US compared to the global price.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to what end?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'US and many other countries at some point were massively subsidizing sugar'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to protect 2 sugar producers in the US'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and what rizgoth said they were doing that too'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do a similar thing in the EU with suppliers from Africa'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It also makes hfcs more attractive.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only a problem if it doesn't come down over time'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hfcs couldnt compete with natural sugar if the price of sugar in the US was 50% lower.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'all together this caused major dumping of excess sugar into world market causing prices to plunge'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you didn't have them, then i guess all your sugar production would crash overnight'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whichever way you go, someone loses'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the high price of sugar in the US helps corn growers in the US which is worth much more than the sugar industry.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'effectively making poorer countries unable to profitably produce sugar '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'every one looses'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in long run'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US also limits the amount of sugar that is imported into the US from foreign produers.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for free markets, elchanan, but you can't just open everything up at once, including movement of people and expect everything to be hunkydory, it just won't be'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's one of those occasions where ideology conflicts with pragmatism and i don't have an answer for you'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well you can tiger but yea if it was done all at once some things would become very erratic'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all i can tell you is that i try and buy locally from source to ensure that the producers get a the best deal'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone did as i did, this would be a much smaller issue'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but few -are- like me'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(hence the world is shit :-) )'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the point of competition and trade is precisely that unproductive industries close down so that workers are better employed doing more productive work.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'limiting sugar that can be imported into the US is for a different reason though, it is to force ethanol producers to use corn instead of sugar.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea riz US uses measures to keep the internal price of sugar above the actual world price'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'closing down these industries is a feature and not a bug.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'using cheap sugar would reduce the price of ethanol in the US by at least 50%'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'practially making any one who buys sugar to make product in the US at a loss'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there was a sugar price crash, would sugar land be used for a different purpose?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, to grow stuff that costs more.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sugarland is already 1/20th the size it was 40 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like i said agrolands need to be protected to sustain future growth'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's 1/20th the size of 40yrs ago then it suggests that the problem will eventually solve itself'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sugarland has more corrupt politicians there then it does sugar refineries now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where -is- sugarland in the US?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so maybe use the lang for another profitable'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Texas'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should grow hemp instead'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'agro business'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tom Delay was a republican rep from Sugarland.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or trees'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'sugarland .... florida'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sugarland ie the sugar capital of the US is located as a suburb of Houston Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '^^^'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we waited for all our problems to go away we'd still be in caves. Or gone extinct....'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty much what we're doing anyway, sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lake okeechobee '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'florida is that largest sugar producing state in country'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes Florida does produce a shit ton of sugar, but Sugarland is in Tx'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you don't want to solve your problems instead of going extinct, please don't drag the rest of the world down with you...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sugar Land is one of the most affluent and fastest-growing cities in Texas, having grown more than 158 percent in the last decade. In the time period of 2000-2007, Sugar Land also enjoyed a 46.24% job growth. As of the 2010 census, its population was 78,817. In 2011, the U.S. Census Bureau estimated that the city's population was 84,511, with a median family income of $113,261 and a median home price of $369,600.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not me, Sonshi, it's the corrupt elite'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i read this book a while back that stated Brazil could supply the entire us demand for sugar for less cost that what we could produce... keep inmind that brazil has/had heavy sugar subsidies at the time'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yet you're anti-trade and by extension, pro-unproductive dying industries...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brazil really needs to stop producing sugar and start protecting the god damned rain forest instead of chopping it down'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'countries really should make an effort to be self-sufficient, though'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'agreed bridging back together rain forest and working on sustainable wood production would probably be more profitable for them long run'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'let the poorer countries make profits on sugar'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Brazil recently found over 10 billion barrels of oil, they will be self sufficient soon enough....they also found huge deposits of natgas under the rain forest.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can't be pro-self-sufficiency and anti-waste at the same time...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or Australia '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have nothing against being anti-waste. anti-waste and pro-self-sufficiency are largely on the same page'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but self sufficiency cannot work for every one'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'self-sufficiency by definition results in tremendous waste so long as the world is not completely homogeneous'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it cannot work for everyone, clearly, but country-level specialisation isn't a great idea'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'land abundant countries produce land intensive goods '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and corruption is a huge side effect too'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'labor abundant, produce labor intensive'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of ethanol in Brazil is as cheap or cheaper than gasoline most of the time.....and all vehicles are flex fuel, so they fill up with whatever is cheaper that day.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and if you have not much land or labor ... well technology is key'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'corruption correlates pretty well with lack of free trade, and if you examine the tariff systems, you can see where the causation goes...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and brazil sets the %ethanol in gas'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ok some people are going to hate me for saying this but africa needs to become super strict on rape/violent crimes and corruption, even if it means harsh capital punishment'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some are, like Rwanda and Nigeria, and then liberals get on at them for being puritanical or overly moral'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'more than harsh punishment, first you'd need to actually catch the offenders.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'get caught taking bribes and it should be almost like treason! killum'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or we can just arm them all and let them fight it out....whoever wins gets africa.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the severity of the punishment won't have much of an effect unless the rate at which offenders are successfully brought to justice in the first place is high.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea but something has got to be done'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and with such high corruption rates and rape/violent crime rates, imprisonment hardly seems an option'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'start by fixing whatever allows criminals to escape...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should really start by fixing your home turf'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let africa fix itself.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea riz i was just stating what i think might be the only way to fix it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We tried that with Liberia....sure did work well.....we also tried it with the middle east....sure did work well.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just leave them alone and let them fix themselves how they want to be.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except the west won't leave them alone, china has nabbed most of the resources, now france is going in to pinch some gold and uranium mines in Mali, UK is interfering with Algeria'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US are using Eritria and Somalia as rendition points'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while you have the military industrial complex running the US/NATO/UN, nothing will change'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there are plenty of resources there. Someone's going to want to exploit them.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well its somewhat ok for others to invest into mining in Africa '
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what i do see a problem with is a high % of the cost of the goods and services in africa being due to corruption'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a problem with any poor fledgling state'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'unfortunately, that's only something they can solve for themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry to have to say it, that the most successful countries in Africa are those that have turned to Christianity in a big way'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'effectively raping the laborers of hard earned wages'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're still corrupt, but at least there's a moderating force'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'what, like ethiopia?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, like Nigeria and Rwanda'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nigeria: Muslim 50%, Christian 40%, indigenous beliefs 10%'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also lower per capita gdp than sudan, which is mostly muslim, and higher than rwanda. So I'm not entirely sure why you think those are great examples...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'forget about religion, morals and ethics are what to remember... if religion is needed for that then so be it'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than the troubles with hardline islamic sects popping up, it's one of the poster childs of African countries getting their shit together'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'nonreligious/diverse countries have done well in asia'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the muslims there are of the sufi tradition and secular in policits'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government is stable, popular, socially conservative'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence the strong moral adherance'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '"getting their shit together" is pretty subjective when they're still worse off than sudan'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sudan is not stable'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you measuring the success of a country in purely monetary terms?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, sudan isn't stable. Says something that those countries are still worse off economically than sudan, as of 2011.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'tell me again when they're better off than egypt or morocco...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'omg reading the rape page on wiki they are talking about a 9 month old baby being raped in SA'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arguable, Nigeria has 6x the population. the difference in GDP isn't great. Nigera being a freemarket and stable would suggest they're far more likely to grow than Sudan'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they'll outgrow sudan, given the problems there... but egypt? Tunisia? Libya? Algeria? Morocco? When will they reach that level?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, if the war on cannabis ends, Morocco's economy will explode'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt and libya are inherantly unstable right now'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tunisia is still coming out of decades of civil war, so will lag behind'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one would also point out that nigeria has a lower proportion of the population holding christian beliefs compared to zimbabwe.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but nigeria doesn't have some old crackpot dictatorship screwing over the coutnry'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the muslim countries that don't have crackpots screwing over the country are also doing fine'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'don't you think it has more to do with... I don't know, lack of crackpots running govt rather than a certain religion?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not specifically'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does help though'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't actually to do with a specific religion, either'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'omg reading the rape page on wiki they are talking about a 9 month old baby being raped in SAl'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not like they converted last decade...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ach'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the moderate level, islam and christianity are 90% identical'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, yes, I'm very disturbed thank you, but not very surprised.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i did say it was because they are socially conservative'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't have imply a specific religion really'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you want to do it that way, I'd also like to point out that the least religious regions tend to be more developed and freer, worldwide...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is being socially conservative good? well that depends on the situation - we came to this because Elchanan was talking about how to sort out mass murder and rape'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a growing up thing, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK and USA were both very religious through the periods in which they gained their domination of the world'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and though I'm not religious, you can see that their societies are flying apart now that government has usurped the role of religion'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'was i assked a question'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sorting out crime is a function of how well you can catch the perps and punish them. That's how deterrence works...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government is inappropriate for being a moral compass because of the transient and inherently self-interest driven nature of democracy'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh yes, our society back home is flying apart at the seams, and I suppose so are those godless scandinavians eh...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ones that have political indoctrination camps where a nutjob goes loops and shoots a bunch of people?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one size does not fit all'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the UK might've been "very religious" when it was building its empire, but to put things in context, you had the spanish inquisition in spain, and worse nutcases and greater fervour on the continent...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scandinavians are not like the brits/americans, who are not like the africans, who are not like the arabs'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody said it was a panacea'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but comparing nigerians to africans of a different religion is fine, of course! ha'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have common ground and common purpose, like i said moderate islam and christianity are extremely similar'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have far more in common that they differ'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but not the scandinavians!'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'screw the scandinavians, they're a bunch of polarbear humping inbred socialists'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi prods Dexter into action!
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have their own culture, needs and outlook'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might work fine for them, it wouldn't necessarily work fine for others'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so now you've gone from claiming "that the most successful countries in Africa are those that have turned to Christianity in a big way" to eh-it's-really-moderate-muslims-too to refusing to have any basis for comparison...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_South_Africa'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the hysteria continues: 6yr old girl expelled for bringing a toy gun to school for show and tell'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zero tolerance, bitches'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see, i'm going to dend Chuch Hagel here - they're attacking him for claiming that Iran's government is a legitimately elected government'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, just neglected to mention that each vote was made with a gun pointed at the voter.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not really true now is it?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 1979 uprising was a public-led uprising'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'before the US starting imposing sanctions on Iran they were moving towards a free-market economy'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Not even Russia is willing to give iran a nuclear bomb, let alone the ability to build one.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need one'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have all the science and materials to make one themselves'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet iran would give you some land cheap if you move there.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't fancy the climate'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the constant threats'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you learn something new everyday, the supreme leader of Iran is an elected position'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women are not excluded from applying to be supreme leader and 9 have done so so far since 1979'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Gore is getting taken to task for selling his tv station to Qatari Al-Jazeera TV'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, the Pentagon may have been violating US sanctions by buying Iranian oil for the Afghan security forces'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you should know by now that the US govt is not required to abide by the sanctions it creates.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh yes'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, coal eating microbes that burp natgas could be a new source of natgas from coal in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Federal Reserve Bank of New York's underground vault in Manhattan, holds 7,000 metric tons (7,716 tons) of gold bullion (225.1 million oz. troy)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and how much is actually there?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and how much of that belongs to foreigners'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I'm sure it's all there, no leasing, paper gold or anything like that.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uhhh'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The United States Bullion Depository (Fort Knox) holds 4,578 metric tons (5,046.3 short tons) of gold bullion (147.2 million oz. troy).'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they don't actually keep gold at Fort Knox anymore...'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think i learned that watching die hard 3'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'During World War II, the depository held the original U.S. Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution. It held the reserves of European countries and key documents from Western history'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fed does both lease and leverage gold'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'one of the best kept secrets, right up there with Area 51 and why hot dog buns come in packs of 8 but hot dogs only come in packs of 10.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'During World War II, the depository held the original U.S. Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution. It held the reserves of European countries and key documents from Western history, for example, it held the Crown of St. Stephen, part of the Hungarian crown jewels, given to American soldiers to prevent them from falling into Soviet hands. The repository held one of four copies (exemplifications) of the Magna Carta, which had been sent for display at the 1939 New York World's Fair, and which, when war broke out, was kept in America for the duration.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Many of the presidential treasures are kept in the deep dungeons of the depository.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like Obama's birth certificate?'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That would be in Hawaii.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh snap, did tigernuts just went birther? :D'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you'll find it doesn't exist :-)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ocams razor, most likely answer'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lol. i don't think you understand what occam's razor is about'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, all the presidents have the same birth certificate.  They just photoshop in the details.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US holds about 6% of all the gold EVER mined in human history in various depositories, plus another 3% owned by other countries.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'plus about 300% of total gold ever mined in paper bets? :)'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it also has 112% of the remaining green shield stamps'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hurry up and start a war, world is getting boring'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.wimp.com/nextsurveillance/'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 10,000 years ago, the sea level was 300 feet lower than it is now.'
T3/r7/2013-01-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.earth-issues.com/2013/02/01/super-volcano-awakening-in-italy/'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in documentation issued by the IRS, they assume that the cheapest family plan for Obamacare will be $20,000 per year'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Ouch thats a lot'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so there you go, buy $20k a year insurance or be fined (woops, sorry, 'taxed') $2400'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some guns you dont even need to pull the slide back'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is criticism of delinquent islamic regimes tolerated, but criticism of delinquent jewish regimes anti-semetic and punishable by law?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Wheres the punishable by law part kick in?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's illegal in many countries'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly frowned upon everywhere else'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Ah, not the most informed of other countries laws'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'I would say because people decided to make Islam the boogie man'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty undeniable that the jewish state behaved terribly right from it's inception, yet they wave the holocaust around as a shield against criticism and as justification'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'any reason we're referring to it as the Jewish state and not Israel?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people have a habit of thinking you're targetting the people of Israel specifically if you say "Israel"'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's why i've taken to using the phrase "US government machine" to refer to "America" or "the military industrial complex" to refer to the UN/NATO'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'I think it could be argued you're targetting an entire religion vs the country'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the jewish state is targeting an entire religion?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many other jewish states are there?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Referring to it for its religion versus the countries name thats all'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, difficult to tease it apart from their religion since the state was founded on that basis'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'That is true, but at the same time from its inception, many countries have bleated about its destruction.  Coming from that standpoint, I wouldn't be pulling punches with my neighbors as Israel either'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't, despite international law that's apparently so important'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we all knew, though, that international law only applied to 'bad guys''
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'International law are for small countries without a big military.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like national law not applying to government or the elite'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Pointing out the truth.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll get you arrested'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'definitely don't point out the truth on Facebook, you'll get swat-teamed'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'International law can be ignored by a country if it has a big military, no one is going to do anything about it'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'little point having it then'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unenforcable laws are worthless'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Funny you should mention swat teams.  Had a neighbor get no knocked warranted by swat... they were after the duplex behind them'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did he sue?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its very hard to sue the police'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it ain't'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'nope city did pay for the door and such'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'winning is hard'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people -need- to sue in cases like that'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'to illustrate how hard it is to sue, look at the guy who got no knocked in the middle of the night'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'shot one of the police officers because he thought it was a home invasion'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not sure if he got life, or the needle'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not an issue with sueing, that's an issue with a fucked up justice system'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'wasn't that a few years ago?  I want to refresh on that one'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'putting the cart before the horse'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah it was a couple years back'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where was that, alabama?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'new york, new jersey..something like that'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'figures'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police state'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very worst he should have got manslaughter'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I wouldn't feel bad for him if he was a dealer, but they also wanted his neighbor'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he should have got off scott free, they didn't announce themselves as police'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see, that's a miscarriage of justice, it happens a lot'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's exactly -why- people should sue'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'everyone thinks how easy it is to sue but think about it its hard to find a good lawyer'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government has to be reigned in and made accountable for their mistakes'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'case in point dude who shot a cop on a no knock.  A good lawyer I can't imagine that would've happened with getting the needle'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'reigned in? prosecutors are untouchable'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you could say that about everyone'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Thats why we have people like you Tiger, go dispose of these wretched currs'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thankyou, krache'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I dont agree with a lot of what you say but when I do it counts'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the smallest thing that people can do is publicise it'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'motivates public opinion'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'I'll say this, it just motivated me to move back into a better area. =p'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'everyone should be made accountable, not just government '
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know now why i hate cities :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they want to start dealing with the budget, why not deal with the gigantic police state? DHS, TSA - move the CIA into Military Intelligence and abolish'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'last president that tried dumping the CIA was assassinated'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this isn't dumping it, it's scaling back a bit and putting into the correct jurisdiction - foreign intelligence should be under the military'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'if we ignore the whole CIA and using drones, why else would they be best served under military?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can fart around with tax rates and little departments all you like, but it's only when you start dealing with the big ticket items you'll make savings'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oversight, aldeas'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who does the CIA report to?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'both military and cia have oversight... for the most part'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who does the CIA report to?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'I can't remember name of the committee but its senior congressional memmbers in house'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, "at best"'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'putting it under the army gives it army oversight, then congress oversight, and finally executive branch oversight'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about the only way you're going to reign in their excesses'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Ok it's committees of intelligence give or take in both congress and senate'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you'll probably find that's a rubber stamp committee'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'The CIA of today is no where near as bad as it was back in the day'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't control or steer the CIA'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they merely have the ability to query them'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'As usual congress controls the purse strings'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes and no'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what happens when they try to control the purse strings?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'What's that?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get a huge backlash, such as what happened with congress threatening to control the purse strings over the debt ceiling'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get liberals pissing their pants, basically, a huge demonisation project and then they back down and nothing happens'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when's the last time a budget was passed? what's the pentagon budget like?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'at some point all the issues you have is with the people running the system'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'but at same time you want even more oversight by the same people essentially or part of the same system'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the issue is that people get sucked in by the spin and media hyperbole'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'not that much you can do about that one now. You don't get "neutral" reporting if you don't go looking for it'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'party politics destroys democracies, is the bottom line'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what you can do about it other than making failure to have accounts and budgets signed off an instant impeachment'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'I remember when Google News first came out I was stunned at the different spins on the same event'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe a mass sackable offence - no budget? president is fired'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'But it's the congress who passes the budget'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they PASS it, they don't PREPARE it'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a budget has not been PREPARED and sent to congres since 2009'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK parliament doesn't have this problem, it's a set in stone thing'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'It's a good thing my country can just print more money =p'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Really though, everyone grandstands on the budget, and waits for their little piece of the pie to bring back home to the constituents'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe so, but lack of transparancy and honesty lies at the bottom of all of the trust issues that governance has'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creates a credibility problem'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK can arbitrarily borrow as much as they like, it's....... not a panacea'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'it doesn't help the kind of person thats drawn to the power of legislature'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is why governments should kept on a short leash and have limited and strictly prescribed powers'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, must be'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '1 reason why magazine size in guns does not matter... its possible to fire 6 shot revolver reload and fire another 6 in under 3 seconds'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'l'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was never an issue with magazines, the whole magazine size argument was bollocks to get the gun confiscation going'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Germany, new anti-beastiality laws were recently instated that make it illegal to have sex with animals. A bunch of zoophiles took to the streets to demonstrate in Berlin today. At least one of them brought his long-term sexual partner of seven years, a dog called Cissy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those Germans'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For some strange reason, every single demonstrator was male. How shoacking.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'I have to know just how many were a bunch?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The article doesn't say how many. Or it may do. I haven't read it all yet. They claim they're in mutually beneficial relationships, though!'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'each to their own'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Well I guess if you break it down to a sugar daddy relationship, said animal gives it up and he/she gets room and board'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: '=mutually beneficial'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, they are taking it to the courts. http://www.thelocal.de/society/20130201-47711.html#.UQxH0b9EG85'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '"Banning it means that millions of people in Germany are criminalized,"'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And there you have it. Millions of German have sex with animals.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it that was the usa and the democrats would be behind it, tigernuts would be going apeshit right now'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where do you draw the line? there are plenty of women that look like dogs'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'I feel pretty non bigoted in anyway saying the species line'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure what to think about it, tbh'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'I know what you mean fast forward forty years, grand children are like wow gramps you didn't believe in cross species marriage?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm erring on the side of "what business is it of the german government"?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'I do prefer less laws when possible, especially considering wouldn't that be along grounds of animal cruelty'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the government is protecting animals from sexual molestation'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'largely hypocritical given intensive farming'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and meat-eating diet'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the government is also protecting the reputation of the country from smears and sullies by depraved sexperverts'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Germany? I wouldn't bother'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'too late'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is going to have sullied their reputation worse than Hitler'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that big butch lesbian Merkel'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Nazis were assisted to take over the country by homosexual brown shirts -- so the government prefers to reduce sexperversion and thus prevent another Nazi takeover'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard to see how this furthers their aims to take over Europe'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than victimising the Hungarians'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, was that a slur against Hungarians'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm 2 slurs in credit tonight'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so USDA is putting a bunch of regulations in to dictate what schoolkids can and cannot eat. It should be worth noting that they won't be allowed to drink regular soda because the sugar might make them fat... but they'll be allowed diet soda whose aspartame might poison them'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do they not have water in the US?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fruit juice? milk?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult to buy fruit juice in the UK because of bloody aspartame'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can't they just use sugar ffs'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta keep feeding the cancer industry.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd do more for the health for the kids of the Uk by making the little fuckers walk or bike to school instead of mummy clogging up the roads with their shit 4x4's'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cancer rates have been going down in the past few years, but that is probably because less artificial things are being consumed, like hfcs.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some cancers'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some cancers are up'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'brain cancer is up, probably because of cell phones.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leukemia?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seem to recall that being up'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hfcs is not artificial'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes it is'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fructose is natural'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You think if you squeeze corn hard enough, corn syrup will come out of it ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it takes refining.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if fructose is "artificial" then so is table sugar'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if fructose is "artificial" then so is table salt'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can chew on sugar cane and get sugar out of it'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sugar is easy to refine, corn syrup is not.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps in a 1000 years, the human body will recognize corn syrup for a sugar and create a response for it in the brain that tells you when to stop eating it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chew on sugar cane ? - not likely -- so little sugar from that method'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'your false-label arguments are faulty, since most all modern convenience foods are "artificial"'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are artificial'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go chew on an apple.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'is ethanol artificial by your standards?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i avoid intoxicating beverages'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Fair enough, but you still can make a judgement knowing how its made'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there is synthetic alcohol used in industry. it's artificial and you shouldn't drink it'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so yes, there is such thing as "artificial" ethanol'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Well I was going for a real simple example.  Something easily made'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it is quite easily made'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'I agree, but once you start about making it ethanol, I'm out my water and can't give an informed argument'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'erm making it artificial'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's very simple. all you need is ethene, water and acidic catalyst'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"synthahol" is a fictional alcohol from StarTrek -- some trekies are not fully "cogis mentis"'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Why would you though?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because you might want to use huge amounts of it in different industries'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'so is the ethanol artificial you say where aritifical ingredients added to it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'C2H5OH is the same no matter how manufactured -- the impurities may be different though'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'Ack Chemistry I haven't been in a class in MANY moons'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just trying to make an example how sugar and hfcs aren't the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aldeas: 'oh yea that was the original point :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dagnir, your faulty comparison fails, since hfcs is food grade'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aspartame encourages the growth of bad bacteria and candida fungus -- the toxins from which may cause health problems and even a reduction of mental ability'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is the reason tha aspartame seems to pass laboratory tests -- the testers are not using diseased rats and diseased humans'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but when a human with gastrointestinal difficulties imbibes aspartame drinks, more gas, more candida, more smell'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'beans and rice....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'more sugar is likely to do the same - the sick loser loses'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'beans do not seem to cause gas these days -- perhaps they were genetically modified to not produce gas ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bill Gates has spent over $11 billion trying to eradicate polio, and he expects to spend another $6 billion through his foundation to get rid of it once and for all.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Bill Gates next going to spend billions to eradicate smallpox'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'polio'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'polio was supposed to be eradicated last century'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'smallpox is already gone from the public.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'except in labs where they weaponised the smallpox'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'China perhaps ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alabama is the most conservative state in the union.....and one of the poorest.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Massachusetts is the most liberal state in the union, for the 2nd year in a row.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas isnt even in the top10 of most conservative states.....'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did they try to ban large sodas?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas rarely bans anything'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I was referring to Massachusetts.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China is going to flatten 700 mountains to build a new mega city.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nah, it is NY that bans things like soda.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'banning sodas with Coca Cola around is like banning guns with the NRA around.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Coca Cola's position is that if people want to get type II diabetes or any other health problem from sugar, that's their business.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the fact that sugar is addictive shouldn't mean it should be treated like a drug :>'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "soda ban' was so that restaurant owners may charge more for the soda drinks'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cocacola makes more money from other drinks then it does from soda now.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except overseas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as far as I am concerned, they should ban sodas period :) Water works for me.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if Coca Cola were banned, they would loose more than just money. The name "Coca Cola" would be dirt.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'lose*'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'soda sales have been dropping in the US for over a decade since the introduction of energy drinks, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but since Coca Cola is a major campaign contributor (to the republicans) there is little chance of that happening :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Coca-cola is nutritious to the cerebral '
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'energy drinks should be banned. People have died already.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'they should ban cars too - they kill far more people every day than energy drinks'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people should try plain water, they will be surprised how much the boy enjoys it :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos is trolling'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'body*'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'prescription drugs should be banned.  Did you know that some drugs actually list death as a side effect?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a lot of drugs list death as a side effect :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, should ban video games also, because a couple of kids have had heart attacks from not eating, drinking or sleeping for days'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'That's not a "side" effect.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'any drug that taxes the liver is bound to kill some people.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and ban facebook'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then that's even worse, Ceasar, because they're actually printing on the label "Side effects include: stuff, stuff, death, more stuff"'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a less draconian approach might be to have a tax on sugars instead of subsidies'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ban internet games - gamers are not getting enough physical actibity'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sugar?  What sugar?  food companies do not add sugar....they add hfcs :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ban TV - TV watchers are not getting enough physical activity'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'taxing fruit and vegetables (corn in particular, since it's analogous to food-grade petroleum in the economy) is a very bad way to go.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'HFCS is mostly sugar..'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ban pancakes as pancakes use hfcs'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, and making it more expensive essentially means you make almost ALL of our food more expensive.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cane sugar is expensive in the US, because the govt makes it so.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cane sugar may be converted into moonshine'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If 1 pound of sugar increases health care costs by 1 usd (random numbers, obviously too low..), then why does it not make sense to put a 1 usd tax on it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'beet sugar, and hfcs cannot compete with cane sugar unless the feds put price controls on cane sugar.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'which is why some people didn't want public health care.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the tax on sugar is an indirect tax on moonshine'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, if sugar becomes sufficiently expensive, it will vanish from most foods, which is no particular disaster, we can live perfectly well without it'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hail! Ceasar: 'step 1:  remove sugar subsidies.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are no subsidies on sugar, they are already inflated in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'scale.  Within a week we could easily fix our immigration problem by just rounding up anyone with insufficient or  improper proof of identity and simply shooting them in the head, but then where would you bury all the bodies?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Canada might object to that. The US don't want to hurt their feelings :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if sugar disappears, the poisonous artificial sweeteners get their heyday until perhaps cancer deaths skyrocket (and then maybe an oops sorry from the sugar banners (preferably as they are lynched))'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'You notice that states along the Canadian border make no reference to all the illegal aliens drifting south from Canada (white illegals are OK) :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Nobody cares because Canada is just the 51st state'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'white illegals come pre-educated'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's not entirely true anymore, given that 6 horny jihadist flyboys couldn't keep it in their pants.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or maybe people will be able to kick their sugar addictions, and maybe nutritionist types will start doing proper science, so people can return to use fat for extra taste instead of sugars..'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, which means that they will take desirable jobs away. While the illegals moving north only take jobs that the uppity US population won't take.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hmm freedom fries'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hmm, butter-flavored popcorn'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yep, lots of "fat" in fries and popcorn and other unhealthy fattyfoods'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just put olestra into all fatty foods.....'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what poison is olestra'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Fat doesn't make you fat, but sadly that doesn't prevent heavily processed vegetable oils etc. from killing you.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fake fat, was a huge promotion in the 80s.....it causes anal leakage.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Rizgoth recommending anal leakage'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was added to all kinds of things, but especially to Pringles chips'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so does anal sex :>'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'until the anal leakage started, and it was pulled from the stores overnight.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'olestra doesn't cause leakage.  It turns the faucet wide open.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's basically diarrhea medicine'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 serving of olestra was like eating a box of exlax.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they pulled anal sex from the shelves?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Risgoth is recommending nasty anal diarrhea '
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only for you, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'diarrhea can only be anal, if the emission if from other orifices, it has a different name :> '
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'vomit if through the mouth, rhinorrhea if through the nose (interesting trivia: almost everyone suffers from rhinorrhea when they eat).'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'dripping buggers into their soup?'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'rhinorrhea = runny nose/post-nasal drip (snot dripping into the back of your throat).'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'thanks, Hanslanda :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Temperatures are so high that Australias Bureau of Meteorology has added new colors to its weather forecasting chart to represent the record-breaking heat.'
T3/r7/2013-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'This global cooling is murder :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Only 1% of the fresh water on Earth is available for use by humans.'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should build solar and wind powered desalination plants to produce more fresh water from salt water.'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on what you mean by available...'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and gold!'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Sierra Club used to be a pretty good nature group before lilly livered left wing liberal whackos took over.'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in 1919, the Sierra Club paid for the adding of steel cables on the Half Dome in Yosemite National Park so that climbers would be safer, now they want them removed to prevent more people from climbing up and enjoying the view.'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We need to build at least 20 new 2500 megawatt nuclear power plants in the US in the next 40 years.'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or..use coal'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Most of the nuclear power plants that exist today are at least 30 years old, and will need to be overhauled, or replaced in the next 20 years.'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some are even 40 or more years old.'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont think people who breathe air in the US will enjoy replacing 20% of the US power supply with more coal power plants.'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I thought new coal plants were very close to clean'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure in the scifi world.....coal power plants are cleaner than the previous generations of coal power plants, but they are still 2x dirtier than natgas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We do have a lot of natgas now though, so perhaps we can build 50 new natgas power plants, but they would still produce co2, unlike nuclear power plants.'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That many new natgas plants would require increasing the capacity of the natgas pipelines.'
T3/r7/2013-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'islamic whackos burning libraries in Mali.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK takes next step along to making the supply of raw milk illegal'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so mother will have to boil their breasts before feeding their babies?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Don't be silly, mothers milk is dangerous. All that fat, do you want babies to have heart attacks?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mothers cannot give their kids breast milk unless they do it out in the open in public'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'provided they're also a lesbian'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '[Results] do suggest the possibility of a much larger impact of solar variations on the stratosphere than previously thought, and some studies have suggested that this may lead to significant regional impacts on climate, reads a draft copy of a major, upcoming report from the U.N.s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e what all the actual scientist had been saying all along'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scientists*'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Doesn't invalidate anything about global warming, though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's invalid is the politicisation of unfirm science being used to harvest power and money'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has always been my biggest bugbear about it'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's your opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether it's right or wrong to do that is opinion, that it is used at all is fact'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just don't agree that the science is unfirm. I agree that political methods will not be able to solve the problem. I disagree that carbon taxes are a bad idea.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's unfirm, it's climatology'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That is, your amateur opinion. My amateur opinion is that the science seems to underestimate the problem, if anything.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''science' has overestimated the problem by a factor of 4 so far'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pulling numbers out of a hat does not validate your statements.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor does telling lies'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's another way to put what I said.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then we must both refrain from quoting numbers or telling lies'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to solve long term co2 emissions, you need less people'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That is one way to solve a lot of problems, agreed.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So far, the climate models don't seem to give very accurate predictions, and a significant portion of climatology is statistics. This indicates either that climatology as such is not a mature science, or that the field of study is too complex for predictions and models to be noticeably more reliable than random walk simulations.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Or more plants.  We should plant plants in the sky to suck up all the CO2'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'emission increase = population * emission/hd - emission absorption'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing is being done on population or emission absorption'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Tax kids!'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shoot kids'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'more co2 -> more plant growth'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at all the desert you could convert back to use'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'shooting kids = more corpses = more methane in the air'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mince kinds up and feed to sheeple'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'No better way to cure hunger than by killing half of the hungry people and feeding them to the other half.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The asteroid 2012 DA14 will fly by Earth on Feb. 15 and zip within 17,200 miles (27, 680 kilometers) of the planet.  Most satellites in earth orbit are at 22,000 miles or so.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Only the geostationary ones.  Other satellites are closer :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont be so exact, you are ruining it for the tin foil hat crowd.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'although I don't know many non-geostationary ones are actually in the sky...'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Also, there's supposed to be one that might come dangerously close in like the year 6300 or something'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I hope by the year 6300 we'll finally have a worthy space program'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Mankind will be extinct by 6300'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, at least styx will be.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Amen'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Or at least a way to armageddon that mother, and blow it to bits'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm sure we'll have undergone some horrible disasters between then and now, but I'm not sure about extinct'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I mean, there are species of fish that have survived some pretty cataclysmic events'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Cylons will come back and finish the job.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Huh, NASA defines any asteroid over 6.2 miles (10 km) across as "extinction class" i.e. powerful enough to destroy life on earth if it collides with it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'that seems awfully small'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg price of gasoline is currently at $3.43 per gallon in the US.  Up 4 cents overnight.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't need to be huge to wipe out life'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, 6.2 miles is pretty freaking big.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couple hundred meters would wipe out a city the size of new york'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That rock would be the size of mount everest.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that football field sized rock on feb15 would destroy Seattle or Vancouver.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That 330 foot rock that did the air burst over Russia in 1908 would have caused major destruction if it had been over a big city.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2 east coast refineries are going offline soon to perform routine maintenance.....about 400,000 barrels of oil not being refined into gasoline.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Total U.S. gasoline supplies fell by 1 million barrels last week, gasoline demand increased by 70,000 barrels a day to the highest level since the end of December.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So that's about...half a cup a person in the US, assuming none of it gets exported.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '400,000 barrels, that is'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'per day.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How long can "routine maintenance" take?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas currently has 26 oil refineries, and Lousiana has 18.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a week or less.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Florence high school student suspended over having a picture of a gun as a desktop background picture on their laptop'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still the hysteria continues'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Deadliest sniper in US military history killed by veteran wacked out of prescription anti-depressants'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I can't even understand that one, it's like the girl suspended for a water pistol - clearly a plastic, transparent water pistol'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.nypost.com/r/nypost/2013/02/03/news/web_photos/03N_GUN_IPAD--525x1000.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'much of the crazy stuff like that, Taokan, are just the administrators faced with a situation not exactly or clearly covered by the policy so they are just erring on the side of caution.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's hysteria, hans'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I can see a heightened state of security - my kids school keeps the front door locked and you can't get in until they buzz you through, and there's a camera right there so they can see if you're wearing a ski mask or holding an AK47 or something ridiculously overt.  But the crackdown on anything remotely gun related is ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, it's CYA.  If they don't do anything, someone demands to know why and then they probably lose their jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could have removed the bubble guns and explained the new rules'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my favourite: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BCIjreDCQAArdyO.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'hahaha true that'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'see, I can't hate on Obama for the economy and such - he's done the best he can to comprimise between a bunch of obligations and "no-more-taxes" republicans.  But, his administration's been terrible for liberty.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'unchecked drone strikes, sign off on NDAA that allows killing Americans without trial, no shutdown of gitmo, giving HSBC a wristslap for laundering money for drug cartels'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I still believe he was a better choice than Romney, but... just terrible'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Romney would've been better.  We definitely need someone the media doesn't jack off to when they watch video of him.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tigernuts, you used bad english: "whacked out on" or "whacked out by" is okay colloquial English, "wacked out of" is bad (or clumsy) English indicating a lack of something, as in "deprived of" -- you seem "whacked out of" proper english today'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not interested'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'THATs where I knew the name Chris Kyle from'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was the one who demaed Jesse Ventura in a book he wronte'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so not sure whether the veteran was on too many anti-depressants or allegedly not enough'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was about to be involved in legal proceedings'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you anything to bring up, zade?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'typo errors may be caused by shivering from the cold -- cold winter, eh'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a recent poll, 70% of americans aged 17024 agree that americans should be allowed to own asasult weapons'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"demaed" (defamed), "wronte" (wrote), "17024" (17-24)'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the purpose of your input on this channel is not for grammar and spelling correction'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'although 17 to 24 years of age seems an unusually poll window'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the poll over all was 44-51 in favour of ownership'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well short of the 66% mark needed to change the ammendment to allow a legal ban'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you don't use proper spelling while using proper grammar, your postings are then somewhat incoherent and or ambiguous'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only grammar and spelling nazi's have any trouble with it'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not a typo if you understood the meaning.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not sure whether "demaed" meant "defamed" -- and that wasted a few minutes looking for alternatives'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could just ask'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and yet ultimately you understood.  Ergo, not a typo.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, the information posted by Tigernuts can't be reused citing Tigernuts as a secondary source, since Tigernuts posted gibberish - is as though Tigernuts never posted anything there (other than gibberish, since the auto-correction is inconclusive)'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you done?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm pretty sure if someone told you they heard on the news that a space cock was on a headon collision with Earth your first thought wouldn't be disbelief.  It'd be that the stupid fuck needed to get his ears checked.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well zade's one of these people who wants to use any pointless technicality to get out of having to express a view or argue a point'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'small typo errors where the autocorrection is 99% to 100% accurate do convey meaning, but when the autocorrection is around 50% certainty, then meaning is not conveyed accurately'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't worry about it'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in "Humpty Dumpty" style, i used to seemingly misspell words, but they were "new words" -- although autocorrecting by others provided a meaning that near to the intended meaning of the "new word" -- even so there was a definite slightly different nuance to the new spelling'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in "Humpty Dumpty" style, i used to seemingly misspell words, but they were "new words" -- although autocorrecting by others provided a meaning that was near to the intended meaning of the "new word" -- even so there was a definite slightly different nuance to the new spelling'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some philosophical concepts require a new vocabularly'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're probably explaining those concepts poorly'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm sure zade is obama's fault somehow'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'debate can't give specific examples, because then you may be able to trace who i am irl'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would we care?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Zade is too old to be Obama's fault.  Most likely would be contributed to Carter's presidency, though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Carter gets a bad rep'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sine leaving politics he's actually found some morality'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since*'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't he also currently the older living ex-president, and longest-retired living president?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'leaving politics doesn't make you a good president if you were formerly a bad one.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe.  Can't remember if Old Man Death stabbed Ford in the heart with his sickle or not.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's an ex-pres'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'died 7 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well just over 6, really'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'would be a moot point if Kennedy didn't headbutt a .45, though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kennedy would probably be toast'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'd be 96 now'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Technically 95, but yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Presidents seem to have a fairly long life span, though.  Reagan and Ford both lived to 93.  And HW and Carter are both 88 at the moment.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damnit, that means we'll be lumbered with Clinton forever'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Its too bad Clinton is the best president we have had over the last 30 years....'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts chuckles at Krache's joke.
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the competition isn't exactly strong'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Exactly lol'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'What I found out today: presidents up until Clinton received a lifetime of secret service protection'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"good that Clinton is the best President of the USA in over the last 30 years" -- in that there was at least one good president of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Though we had a surplus in the budget, the house bubble wasn't exactly the best thing to happen -.-'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'housing***'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republican crooks are to blame for corrupting the initiative of the Democrats'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Clinton had the luxury of a mild economic and world environment'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Democrats gave us the income tax.  They asked a banker how they could bilk money from the public without telling them about it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same reason Tony Blair was inflicted on the Uk for so long'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Clinton didn't deliberately antagonise the terrorists as the Republicans did'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US as a whole didn't really care about terrorism at that point.  The big focus was street gangs.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Codebuster shows his approval by clapping his hands together.
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'under Clinton, the supergangs played their hands and revealed the US government was woefully underprepared to deal with them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'supergangs?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gangs didn't exactly run rampant during the Clinton years'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they were pretty powerful since prohibition'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'weren't the LA riots in Clinton's era?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's hard to blame Clinton for the LA riots'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'let me guess - it was obama's fault? :D'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers with Seltsimees Dagnir about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'correct?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can blame him for repealing glass-stegall and fucking up the mortgage market that led directly to the property crash of 2008'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'still a tough sell but okay'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not tough at all!'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was the fault of black people who still believed in the Malcom X style of civil disobedience.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'easy to be sanctimonius when you don't get your ass beat by the police on the reg Hans'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i saw quite a lot heartwarming coverage of the LA riots, old black people roaming the streets crying and shouting at the youngsters, armed gangs of shop owners defending their property'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and giving them even more reason to beat on you will somehow improve the situation?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is easy to get your ass handed to you by the police when you act beligerant to them all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the time it is the police that instigate that, not people Riz'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whatever.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at Tigernuts, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's how they're taught these days'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah just ignore it, you probably would have called Rodney King a liar if it wasn't for videotape'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'probably why filming the police is illegal in half the union'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the root of the problem is that police are no longer keepers of the peace, they're fine collectors and enforcers of the elite's words'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'G.Bush sr administration was responsible for establishing USA bases on Arab soil during the Iraq-Kuwait conflict and then keeping the bases there (on Arabian Holy Soil, annoying the Islamic militants -- so when G.Bush jr tsole the election, 9-11 was payback for what G.Bush sr did'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, we try to hire as many police as we can to be slavedrivers to our minority workers, since the police are so well trained in how to be racist.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the Democrats won the year 2000 term, perhaps 9-11 never happened'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sometimes i doubt that police are trained at all'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'very unlikely, since they were using 1994 as a dry run.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only reason 1994 failed was because they didn't use enough explosives'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'osama was planning on revenge ever since we abandoned him in Afghanistan after the soviets were kicked out.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wasn't because US security was that good.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats' why they made sure with thermite in 01'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so GW.Bush and the Republicans cheating to win the year 1999 November election indirectly caused the attack on the WTC on 2001-Sep-11'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, '01 was already fully-committed at that point.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '1994 was two years after G.Bush sr was ousted -- so the attack of 1994 was yet an attempt at payback for what G.Bush sr did (leaving American miltary troops on Arabian Holy soil)i'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'look'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, good.  By that logic, we can blame 9-11 square on Clinton.  Less time elapsed.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'note that the islamic militants then waited until GW.Bush was elected to retry payback for leaving American military forces on Arabian Holy soil'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is this some tongue in cheek thing Zade? we already know you are an Islamophobe'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts chuckles at Twyst's joke.
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if I had my way, we would send about 50,000 texas wild boars to the holy land to live....so tired of islamic whackos blaming the west for crap when the same islamic countries INVITED the west to help them with saddam.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when younger, i used to argue both sides of a debate -- i am Canadian and balanced (unlike lopsided USamericans)'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you agree with Fox, huh?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i seek the truth, (not to win an irrelevant debate (for illusory ego gratification)) '
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you don't agree with Fox, but you agree with the X-Files?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Faux news is usually too bad to be a credible side'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it really is pretty simple 9-11 was blowback'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts peers intently at Twyst.
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in part'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to be more specific, when younger, i used to argue both *credible* sides of a decent debate (and that does not mean arguing for the disreputable side)'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'still doesn't change the fact it was in the works during the 90s, though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably planned for a long time'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yeah, since G.Bush sr '
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but so was Operation Iraqi Liberation, just need a context'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '9/11 was a bad idea on their part, because they really woke up the sleeping bear......before 9/11 they could have kept on hitting embassies and other small targets for decades, but after NYC, everything changed for alqaeda....'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Now they can barely do a car bomb let alone hit an embassy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're saving up'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and have also changed tactics'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can now take over entire countries'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'X-Files went sci-fi near the end and then hard-to-believe'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no they aren't, they are being slowly destroyed, most of their leaders are dead, sub leaders are at gitmo, and the intelligence network of the west is on to the others.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the next big thing for Al Qaeda will be housecleaning, when they realize that all the child entities they're spawning are getting in the way.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '9-11 caused the USA to cripple the USA'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most of the US no longer cares about 9-11, it's treated as just another thing to drink a beer and have a BBQ for.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's kinda funny, since they still bitch about all the stuff 9-11 lead to.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but it opened the way to extra legal rendition, indefinite detention, warrantless wiretaps'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'roll out of the police state, for instance'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the list goes on'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Twyst person again...
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, just brought it out into the open.  We've been doing all those things on the down-low since at least Carter if not all the way back to Vietnam/the Kennedy assassination.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you realize those aren't good things'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just like every other country that signed the Geneva Accord, we secretly and regularly broke the rules when it suited us.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we just couldn't tell anyone, is all.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and continue to do so'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the fallout damage done by 9-11 to the USa (mostly by the USa) is enormous - crippling debt, crippling deficits, greedy Republicans, greedy TeaPartyers, loss of civil rights, Presidents and (republican VP) violating the USa-Constitution and the Geneva convention'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'very much so.  The people don't care what we do, so long as they feel safe.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they ain't going to feel safe soon'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'replicated food sounds almost good....resequenced protein.....increasing or adding protein to foods that normally do not have much, or any.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they feel safe now, though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the perpective of the islamic militants, 9-11 was a rip-roaring success (from the fallout damage to the USa)'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agree, they achieved all of their aims'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and died in the process.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ones that volunteered, yes'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alqaeda doesnt even exist much anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there those 70 virgins'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(unless they are the same 70 virgins for all of them)'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or perhaps the ones who die, are the virgins.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '9-11 was a hail mary for them, the level of success it achieved was nowhere near the expected outcome.  If the Super Bowl was on the same level as a World War, the terrorists basically won a close game with a buzzer-beating 115-yard pass.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(look but do not touch, 70 virgins)'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and they end up being buttfucked for the rest of eternity.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seems like a pyrrhic victory'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you two are likely wrong -- Nostradamus predicts otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those idiots in NYC took forever to start rebuilding the buildings.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they couldn't build them straight away, they had to make sure they properly disposed of any evidence of explosives'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt take 10 years get rid of explosives.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's pretty expensive to rebuild those buildings'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it takes that long of a beurocracy to deal with it and all the asbestos'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'otherwise it would take 10,000 years to clean up the nuclear bombs and missiles in Russia.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was a "Countdown to the Apocalypse" episode featuring the prophecies of the Hopi indians in Arizona -- by comparison, Nostradamus seems benign '
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'many of the prophecies of the Hopi indians already happened'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Anyone want to buy a farm near the beautiful forests of Chernobyl ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Nostradamus didn't predict the end of THE world, he predicted the end of his world.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Hopi indians are predicting the end of the whole world (except for maybe a few humans)'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there any of them still hopping around ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they are Hoping for the better outcome'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they are Hoping and dancing around, doing their amerindian dances'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the same Hopi documentary estimated that if both India and Pakistan where to launch and explode 50 nuclear missiles at each other, that may be enough to end the current comfort of current civilisation from the nuclear winter likely to result'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'each'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do pakistan and india even have 50 dirty nukes each?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least 100 each, each at least the size of hiroshima (according to the Hopi documentary attempting to conjecture a possible how of the Hopi prophecies)'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, let's hope they get it on'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rest of the world 'd be somewhat screwed by the lowered temperatures if they did '
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rev Jesse Jackson, does appear to be the left-wing nut equivalent of Sarah Palin'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you know he's gonna find that racist, right?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can fuck off and die, he's a hateful example of all that is wrong with black people'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he and Sharpton learned from the best, MLKJr.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's similar to the way jews scream foul anyone criticises Israel, yet hides behind the holocaust as justification for mistreating arabs'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's racist pornography for a political agenda and i'm absolutely sick of it'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so in that Connecticut shooting an assault rifle was not used'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not a rifle, no.  It was still an assault weapon as put forth by the Obama administration.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'was all pistols'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, were 4 glocks used'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so what are they calling assault weapons'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'has any one ever heard of the battle of athens'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about anything, elchana including knives'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a sour looking expression is an assault weapon under obama's rules'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anything with more than 10 rounds of ammo in a single clip.  This includes most handguns, fyi.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any rifle with a pistol grip'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or "looks military"'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'a Remington 700 would look military then'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'since the m40 is based of off the rem 700 action'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some photographs of guns are military weapons'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is/isn't included isn't so relevent, it's not being passed, what is more important is what the weapons ban was a step towards, what the motivation was, and what will be done in it's name'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is that a fact or just you opinon'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which bit?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that its not being passed ... has it been halted'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that bit is opinion'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'based on then needing 60 votes. There are 55 democrats of which 5 have said they won't vote for it, 45 republicans of which only 1 is planning to support it'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, no, it's not in the bag, and they could be playing possom, but it doesn't look likely'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i keep finding conflicting reopts of what was used'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a browning break apart .22 caliber rifle that allows you to put 18 shells inside it, and it has no clip.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's 8 shells too many.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my dad bought it for me in 1981.....went wabbit hunting.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'their point is that if you have to use more than 10 bullets to take something down then you are assaulting instead of merely shooting.  By their definition, a Daisy bb gun is an assault weapon.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any executive orders issued that contravene existing federal law or the constitution can be struck down in court, so you don't have to worry too much about that'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you will see is "strong-arm" tactics by the ATF'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, I love my bb guns....they hold over 100 bb's'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the school system (already seen that)'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'competitive shooting of pistols uses more than 10 rounds'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the police'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess paintball guns will be banned also, perhaps we should shoot some politicians  cars with paintball guns.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'fact of the matter is a  clip chan be changed in 1 second'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'can reload revolvers in 1 second too'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts, atf was castrated a long time ago. it doesn't really do anything'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it controls gun shops'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it therefore controls the trade of guns'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it doesn't, actually'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it does enough.  They give away guns to criminals.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has the power to revoke gun licenses, raid premises, confiscate stock'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea atf does not even fund giving people back thier right to bear arms'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'seriously, look into it. atf doesn't do fuck all any more'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has the power to do all of these things and does'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that is where he will use his executive power'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ATF is a department that can, under certain conditions, also have armed agents'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'battle of athens where citizens took up arms against the local government in aug 1-2 1946 '
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surprised the Greeks didn't do it again this last couple of years, but i guess they're defanged'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'this was in the us'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in tennesee'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh, i forgot Americans can't come up with original names'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, same principle, it might happen again if things get real bad'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot will depend on the economy'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unless the terrorists are highly successul on the US homeland again, it's not going to get that bad unless the attack is seen as so powerful or hard to handle that it's just a matter of time before we get devastated too.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does external terrorists have to do with national economy?'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the vast majority of your home grown terrorist is actually the Feds playing dress-up and steering sub-100IQ drug addled folks into doing stuff'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'spreads fear, makes people do really stupid things like hide all their money under mattresses.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'it's for a good cause'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think -anyone- outside of the upper eschelons of government, and maybe some fiercely rabit neocons and ultraliberals are actualyl worried about terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'in that case I call policy failure'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'people are supposed to be afraid'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you don't want a bunch of stupid people scared that badly.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, and the fact that they aren't is why they're getting desperate and you have Obama using a school shooting to push the disarmament campaign, and Jesse Jackson trying to make out that anyone who owns a gun is a terrorist, and wh y you have the military being prepped to consider their own vets and patriots as 'terrorists''
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'btw the people in battle of athens used dynamite to breach the door of the jail in order to get the ballot boxes the corrupt govt confiscated'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll only brainwash liberals in city areas'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'as long as people don't think too much, it's probably better for me as dictator if they are a bit scared'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Filtered water, tapioca and/or arrowroot flour, non-GMO expeller pressed canola oil and/or non-GMO expeller pressed safflower oil, coconut oil, pea protein, salt, inactive yeast, vegan natural flavors, vegetable glycerin, xanthan gum, citric acid, annatto, titanium dioxide (naturally occurring mineral)'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, Google is financing a new 161 megawatt wind farm in west Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, they probably shouldnt be building 400 foot tall wind turbines near homes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeCpLcjxOq4'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Kentucky gets 92% of its power from coal.'
T3/r7/2013-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( so does Newcastle :> )
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so apparently Beyonce was to blame for power outtages at the superbowl, couldn't just be their electrics are shit'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'better explanation - http://i.imgur.com/iWgbbI4.png'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=llLVMUlDpaE'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the last interviews murdered SEAL Chris Kyle gave before his death'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Virginia have bill going through their state senate that will put a 2 year moratorium on the deployment of DRONES'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, Biden praises French Military's Incredible Competence and Capability'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pakistan tourist board planning a theme part in Bin Laden town'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/why-is-government-stockpiling-guns-ammo/'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Leon Panetta should be jailed'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'before or after Dimon, Blankfein etc?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'before'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ted Nugent for president!"'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are 10x more cattle at Amarillo Texas then there are people.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rofl, State department to sue Standard & Poors over ratings downgrade'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck with that'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lmao'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Argentina orders a freeze on supermarket prices. Hard to see how they can enforce that'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Is State going to say (a) it's obvious that more downgrades are needed or (b) if we get in trouble, we'll print $$, so we should automagically have aaaaaa?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'with guns!'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'america is screwed if china starts backing there currency with gold like they have been planning on doing'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nobody cares what the S&P rating is.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then why the lawsuit, riz?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to make it seem like they care.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in another year, the interest rate on US debt is going to be negative.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bond rate going to be lower than inflation?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'already is.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, only because they're cooking the inflation figures downwards to make it look like it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US treasury sets the interest rate on the debt, not some private quasi bullshit company.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'china? Back their currency with gold? What alternate universe is this, and what have you been drinking?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think china have been buying resources just to make sure they have control of as much of it as possible'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There isnt enough gold in the solar system to back any large economy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, by nature a fixed quantity can't back a growing economy, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's ok, US and UK are not growing'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem solved! crisis over!'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is growing just fine.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not if the cut everything now brigade has their way...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, it stopped for a breather last quarter'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's inflation-backed growth will continue next quarter'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'real growth is by nature adjusted for inflation'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which inflation though, that's the question'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just wait and see what happens when the US isnt sending $500 billion a year to opec nations for oil.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'national, not your own personal inflation rate.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which national?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our government uses at least 2 different rates, and they're measured differently to the rates it used in the 1990s, which are different those used in the 1970s and 1980s'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so how can you possibly have a cogent historical trend when the measurements are based off different incomparable things?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'of course you have to do some chaining, we don't use horse and buggies any more...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything under 1% could be construed as no growth, really'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's well within the margins of error of inflation'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so back in the real world what will happen this year? Food prices, electric, and fuel will go up'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wages will stagnate'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's significantly less than 1% per year, unless you mean per decade...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'error'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two measures the government use are nearly 1% apart as is'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'mit's billion price index tracks the official rate pretty well here...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Food and energy went up by more than 10% here last year, it's expected to rise by at least as much again this year'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'average wage increase was 1%'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, if you measure the economy in terms of horses and buggies, you will find a huge discrepancy in the inflation rate.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'muni bonds here in Texas are paying quite good returns.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing is paying good returns here'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the bonds are fed tax free.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gbp is down to $1.50/gbp'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the uk is doing the old cut everything austerity thing.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was $2 when i last visited'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's doing the horseshit salami slicing bollocks instead of revisiting government roles'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'obviously you aren't going to get good returns when you're cutting govt fast.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except they seem to forget, if cut to much, you reduce your chances of ever getting out of the recession within 20 years.....just ask Japan...they lost a decade or two.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're barely cutting government at all'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, if you cut in a recession, you're only going to make your debt problem worse as a percentage of gdp...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of the parties here have a plan'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'need to cut spending during the good times, to reduce debt a little bit until the next recession.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but having debt is a good thing when it comes to govts.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's because they don't want to admit that borrowing more is the answer, when they've staked their reputations on the opposite.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have money in this country, best thing you can do is leave with it'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, spend in recession, cut in bubbles. Standard prescription...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they like to do the opposite here'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, california does that also.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'during the tech boom they expanded govt spending way beyond what should have happened.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto here'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tony blair and his misguided beliefs of his own godliness'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, what do you expect, when everytime someone mentions increasing spending in a recession, he gets called names... commie/liberal/globalist...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sound familiar?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'odd indeed!'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like you have a selective memory'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'actually, if you look at the 90s, govt spending in the US did go down as a proportion of the economy in the later part.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but it went back up in the 00s...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This new revolution in shale oil and gas began in Texas, because we didnt stop investing in oil and gas research and development, and didnt stop companies from spending money in Texas, like a lot of other states have been doing.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because Texas isn't full of dumbarses'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'back home they're putting solar panels on govt housing in trial runs...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing wrong with solar, but should be investing in CSP, not solar panels.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'CSP will make solar panels economical eventually.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'once people thought that it would be impossible for us to ever have water-independence... then we built desalination plants... it could be the same for energy one day...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, the thing is, a lot of our city is built up... you can put solar on the roof easily.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Australia could have been the CSP capital of the world, but they decided to cut the budget of the largest CSP plant and abandon it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'panels, I mean'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'building an actual plant won't be economical for us'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should invest in exterminating people here'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can exterminate your people and live in your agrarian fantasy... we'll be an advanced nation in your place...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Australia has tons of open land that could be used to produce solar power via CSP, they could probably power all of the continent and export power to nearby countries.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'failing that, buy a shit ton of boats and send them all to France'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and one day you'll be overrun by an industrial nation looking for an easy, weak agrarian target with plenty of land...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we never had, and will never have lots of agrarian land'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is now less than 1/5 of an acre for every person in the country'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nevada has a CSP plant, producing about 50 MW of power, it was a test of technology, and soon they will be building a 500 MW plant....the power is expected to retail at about 8 cents a KwH'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it really doesn't matter... if someone can walk in and take what you have without resistance... oh well.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why we should be armed'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's the lesson we learnt from the brits, ironically.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'send a gunboat!'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can have as many guns as you want, but the army of a more advanced, more industrialised nation will swat your men aside like flies'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, business and technology is the way to go.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm glad you're advocating imperialism, Sonshi, I was worried you were developing morals'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you can live the nice agrarian dream as a country for a while, but it'll last as long as the next war.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's called pragmaticism'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a difference between being an overcrowded cesspit and having adequate people for the landmass to live comfortably and in a style to which they have historically been accustomed'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'countries that can't defend themselves at all don't last too long.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the UK is far from overcrowded, you guys have small villages all over the damn place.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have nukes, i don't think we feel threatened'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's overcrowded'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tokyo is a damn good city, and probably has more people than the UK does. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do we look Japanese?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you built 50 story public housing units all over the place, you'd have plenty of space...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, like NYC'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you built 50 storey public housing, you'd end up with 50 storey public housing that would be no-go areas that nobody wants to live in'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then you are doing something wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '... dammit, I used US spelling for storey.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'story'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd need to understand the country before you can answer that'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stories'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'tokyo got ruined by the nuke-izards, opium, and some god-awfully horrible epidemic of something that rearranged everyone's faces.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I will take the penthouse suite on the top level of one of those 50 story buildings please.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our public flats are pretty nice, actually, compared to units in other cities. And they're well sought after'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you don't make enough money for that, Riz.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have some high-rise apartments in the nearby city by the riverfront, they're insanely expensive'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you know how much money I make? :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they're shit because they're in a city'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'educated guess.  You tell us about all the neat things you're buying, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if you build 30 of those 50 story residential buildings.....The price will go down.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't, they don't have the space'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and you can always build them nice and big'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they probably wouldn't be allowed to build 1'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's plenty of space in the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neat things to me, are probably quite different than the neat things you would buy :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might just about get away with building one in the city of london, anywhere else it would fail planning regs'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if they're not letting you build on the land, what makes you think that they wouldn't just decrease the land available by half if you halved the population, anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they probably would'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'then the problem is not the size of your population.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's in their interests to keep property prices high and people dependant'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, any nation that wants to do it can, you just have to want it enough.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't vote for them'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like China building a brand new city to revitalize a bad part of the country.....a city for 12 million people.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'except us, because we truly are hitting our limits on land. And even so, we have decent 5 room flats...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Have you thought about making new land ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ask the Japanese...they are pretty good at it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if only our neighbour would let us buy a chunk of adjacent land from them...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i would ask the dutch'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we're also almost out of sea to reclaim.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fly a plane into an american skyscraper, then the americans will make some room for you for free'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our neighbours are complaining that the reclamation is starting to affect their side'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'down and up are the only directions left, at this rate...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'build underwater like the arabs'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you could fill in some more with those mountains the Chinese overlords are planning to pulverize.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, the dutch reclaimed land is under the ocean level......it will be underwater in time.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the japanese built a new airport on new land they leveled some mountains to build.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we're nearly out of sea we can reclaim... so no underwater either...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can you run out of sea?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it gets deeper, nuts'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so delve deeper :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our island is surrounded by international trade routes and sea territory belonging to other people'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they filled up the continental shelf area.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time to conquer your neighbours'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Singapore must be on the ledge of the continental shelf, a sort of tectonic equivalent to the savvy investor.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas could be 2x its current size if we filled up the gulf of mexico continental shelf land that is underwater.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we can't expand to the ocean without crossing international trade routes or foreign territory... sigh'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but that would destroy the gulf of mexico seafood industry.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we're not near the edge of the continental shelf, just others in the way, that's all...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dig a hole, when you get deep enough you can just tunnel horizontally like the oil people do.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'digging down is an option'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, dig down, instead of up'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you'd think they could spare/sell us 0.1% of their (sea) territory or something!'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, down and up, that's what we're planning on now'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or do what the Swiss did....hollow out the mountains.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't they make an entire hotel out of snow and ice there?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if an alien race with no concept of nationalism were to observe us, they'd be wondering why this crazy bunch of people appear to be crowding themselves within this imaginary line when there's so much land nearby...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we don't have mountains either. heh'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too small for mountains, in fact. We have a few hills though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think the hills are lower than some of our buildings though...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'buy dirt from the chinese and show us how to make mountains out of molehills.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we already buy dirt and sand...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'looking at the Singapore map on google.com.....you guys have shitloads of potential land for development.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'at some point one of our neighbours banned sand exports to us. Just to piss us off, probably.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, if we tear up our catchment area...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'over time we'd replace it with desalination, I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can still build around those water catchment areas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'funnel the rainwater into the collection areas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put the rainwater collection underground'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'filtering runoff from the streets probably isn't much cheaper than desalination...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Singapore kinda reminds me of NYC.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like my idea of hell'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'busy, fizzy, and rude?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but eventually we'd have to fill in the reservoirs and turn to desalination/reuse entirely, if we keep bringing in more immigrants, I suppose...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hot, sweaty, packed to the rafters with people, and what's more, they're foreign'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the north eastern island is almost empty.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I think we're probably more stone-faced too'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's a military base'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Singapore is best served with being spoinged into a tree'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Your military base is hidden in the trees ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cause the island looks almost deserted.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in fact, a lot of the blank spots you see that aren't catchment areas are... well... *cough*'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'shangri-ooh-la-la?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you can't have jungle training without a jungle.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what's the excuse for America conducting significant urban training in their own cities with their own police right now?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'there's usually a bunch of people crawling through some godforsaken patch of that island, cursing their life.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they planning to blow themselves up?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, you do what the US does.....rent a jungle island from another country and practice.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, urban training in one city is useful for urban warfare in other cities'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's also training runs for the zombie apocalypse, and some major natural disasters are geologically imminent.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that Obama's idea of a hissy fit when he can't get gun controls through? blow a bunch of his own cities to declare martial law?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta be cheaper than wasting a whole island on a military base that takes up less than 3% of the island.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you don't expect iran to lend them teheran for their training'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't have the support of the Iranian police if they were there'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'oh, we have training facilities in other places too...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but you really don't want your army stuck halfway around the world if something happened.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, Gitmo for example....back when cuba was our friend we paid rent to cuba for that military base.....when cuba went rogue i thing we just decided to own the base and make it US land.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but you still keep enough troops on home ground for defence...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a country that closes down all its training bases at home probably won't last too long in a sudden invasion...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who is going to invade singapore ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the aussies ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our two very friendly and relatively huge muslim neighbours who at various times threatened to crush us utterly.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You need a great wall of Singapore. :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'our fleet is our southern wall!'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'looking at Malaysia....seems like most of the country is empty.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah. But no chance of them selling even a tiny bit to us...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'too bad we were forced to sell christmas island to the aussies...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kinda interesting that pretty much all muslim countries are poor.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if we had christmas island, there's plenty of sea around to move into...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well... the nearest one to us isn't THAT poor'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'although I guess one could argue that their muslim majority is relatively slight, and the malays aren't anything like the middle east types...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they build pretty naff cars'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'At least you guys are one of the four asian tigers....must be doing something right.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we started off with export-oriented growth rather than import-substitution, which was a major factor in our initial growth'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'countries that tried the second mostly stagnated'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'also, rooting out corruption, getting rid of organised crime, mass education, public housing, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, singapores GDP is almost 3x higher than malaysia's per capita.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you need the people to be properly housed, educated, etc. for an economy to fire on all cylinders...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, closer to 4x higher than malaysia'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'should be around 3-4 times...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, our fortunes diverged sharply after they kicked us out of the federation'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this conversation brought to you by the Singapore Tourist Board'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, can I meet the king ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it's the Singapore *Tourism* Board'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they even made up a legend for the tourists.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'something about a merlion.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'built a statue too'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a merlin?  as in the wizard ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a bit like the Americans building a monument in Washington DC to Bill Clinton's wang'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a mer-lion'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the washington monument.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the one'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lion body, fish tail, or something'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stupid tourists will buy anything'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do you guys still whip people in a central square ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'most are American tourists'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'it worked very well back when we had this developing backwater vibe...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We love to buy stuff in foreign countries, even if it was actually made in China.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I don't think we ever did that since the brits left...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'whipping is a very private affair in our culture, unlike the brits.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no more caning?  I would go to singapore just to see one happen to a drug dealer, or whatever.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'you probably could witness one, if you pose as a local journalist...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but a drug dealer wouldn't get caned anyway'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'no point caning someone you're going to hang'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so singapore is lion city, but no lions were ever there.....perhaps the founders saw a tiger with a lot of neck hair perhaps ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'who knows...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the brits were the ones who actually founded the city though. But I suppose they named it whatever the locals told them was a suitable name...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the brits didnt think to take a bigger chunk of the island ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you have a Lion City...do you also have a Raccoon City?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they eventually controlled malaysia too'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but when malaysia kicked us out, that was all they kicked us out with'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is Singapore going to be the origin of the zombie apocalypse?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, singaporeans tend to look like zombies after work...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, and you think we're the bad guys?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, unemployment is low and the hours long...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, guess singapore will just need to build taller buildings.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah...'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.sott.net/article/257753-In-Amerika-law-no-longer-exists-The-extermination-of-truth'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is interesting that fake pot hurts more people then the real thing......who's dumbass idea was it to make it ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Synthetic marijuana was linked to 11,406 drug-related emergency department visits in 2010, according to a first-of-its-kind report '
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how many were actually because of the synthijuana?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all of them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'versus the synthijuana laced with bleach, antifreeze, other drugs, or whatever else stoners think would get them a better high?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just proves, nothing is better then the real thing.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'versus someone trying to sell synthijuana as the real deal, having their buyers realize they've been had, and come back to take a piece of their hide?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is all considered to be spice, just herbs with chemicals added.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt matter what kind of chemicals were added, it is fake pot.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it does matter.  It could affect the actual cause of death.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're gonna get way more fucked up if you inhale bleach, doesn't mean bleach gives a good high or that it's the sj that killed you.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of pot, did you hear how that Canadian was denied his Super Bowl moment because he got busted 32 years ago?'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Stupor Bowl.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The new vaccine for TB doesnt work.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How nice, the state of north dakota is stealing the mineral rights of people who land borders waterways.'
T3/r7/2013-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 77 year old landowner bought the minerals right to his land back in 1979 for $1200....it borders the missouri river....when an oil company came knocking, the state said no way, it owned the mineral rights, and leased them to the oil company for $600,000....the landowner and hundreds of others are suing the oil company and the state.'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The most expensive photograph in the world sold for $4.3 million'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'must be nice to have 4.3 mill to spend on a photograph'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially considering the photograph is of a river.'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it could be the best photograph on earth or beyond, still isn't worth 4.3 million'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its just an opportunity to showcase conspicuous consumption'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a one of a kind also, the factory in the background and the people walking pets on the sidewalk next to the river were digitally edited out.'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the same photographer sold another photo taken inside a supermarket for $3.3m'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pure idiocacy'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'also pure jibberish, but you get the point'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no different then buying the original songs of the beatles for $60 million, or the workbook of leonardo da vinci.'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah, thats what I was getting at'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an unknown artist drawing of billy the kid made in 1880 sold for $2.3 million...the only known copy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The 1933 Double Eagle sold at auction on July 30, 2002, for $6.6 million, plus the 15% buyer's fee, which brought the total cost to the buyer to $7,590,000, plus $20 to monetize the coin and compensate the Mint for the $20 it believes it lost when the coin was thought to have been stolen.'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That double eagle gold coin was never released by the US mint, so very few exist.'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the one that was sold in 2002 was stored at the WTC federal reserve vault, and was moved a month before the attack to Fort Knox.'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'To much of a coincidence I think.'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Talk about a waste of money.....the US govt has spent over $20 million trying to confiscate the 'stolen' 1933 double eagle gold coins so that they could be melted down.'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'traffic jams in 2011 cost american drivers almost $121 billion, up almost 8% from 2010.'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg person spent 38 hours per year in traffic in the US....with washington dc top on the list at 58 hours per year avg.'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, the hysteria continues: Cops arrest 10yr old for bringing toy gun to school'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest estimates from the Congressional Budget Office arew that Obamacare will push 7 million working americans out of their job-based insurance coverage'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a victory there'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dhXPlCjr0Vw'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I guess the pope of black people Jesse Jackson says that gun owners are the new terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That Obama'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US postal service pays its garbage collectors a starting pay of $22 an hour plus govt benefits.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'surprised France had the balls to actually engage in a fight in Mali, but I am impressed with how well they are doing so far in whacking those islamic terrorists.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best headline of the day "6th Graders asked to design communist flag"'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though rumours out of RT suggest that UK government looking at plans to enforce "black box recorders" on all internet users'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't sound practical or likely, but given I hadn't heard it locally, I'll try and keep and eye on it'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'France is doing a pretty good job at killing terrorists in mali.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'keeps their dissenters at home distracted'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK story is legit and a rewriting of a communications bill that got shot down last year'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking spooks, they don't learn'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bruce Willis comes out against gun controls'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rock on Bruce, shame Danny Glover is a fucking retard'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, how can he fight terrorists without guns ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(or germans)'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard today that California Democrats in the state legislature are proposing a bill that requires all gun owners to purchase violence-liability insurance before they can buy a gun.  This means that if you kill a criminal your premiums will go up as your insurance has to pay for his funeral costs.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'does the bill explicitly state the gun owner has to pay for funeral costs of they use the weapon in lawful self defense?'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a radio caller also made the point that it was unclear if this was just for new guns or not, and that the democrats were looking to the future in the form of suing gun-owners for lack of insurance or otherwise holding them liable for the costs incurred.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '35 new pyramids have been discovered in Sudan, they are around 2000 years old.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dunno, but since this is California they probably won't exempt for that.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'so, the bill in fact has nothing in it changing who pays for the funerals of criminals in self defense cases?'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is no such thing as self defense in kalifornia, if you shoot an evil doer, they put you in prison and give the evil doer $2 million.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'you win, I'm trolled and gonna look that one up'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'florida sounds awesome. you can "stand your ground" and shoot people in the back'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'lol.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Texas you can protect your own home, and just added, your neighbors home as well....:)'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they can give a burglar $2 million for pain and hardship because you accidentally ended up locking him in your garage with no way out and nothing to eat for 3 days but dry dog food and pepsi, I'm sure someone's going to point at the gun owner and cry foul.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'yep, very first google result completely disagrees with that - Cali has self defense laws just like any other sensible governing state'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and if your lawsuit is deemed frivolous, you've gotta pay all the legal costs.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, at least there is one side that always wins'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'laws on the books already do not equate to bills not passed yet, Taokan.  Back to google!'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US postal service is stupid.....there should be mail service every damn day....and just increase the cost of a stamp by 15 cents and get it over with.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and while they are at it, allow people to pay bills at the post office, and buy prepaid long distance cards, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no reason why the US postal service couldnt be making a profit.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'pay bills in the post office :D i don't think i can pay any of my bills over the counter any more'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would be surprised, millions of people pay bills by going to grocery stores or other places every day.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'in third world countries'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, people without bank accts, which is about 50 million americans.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's what i mean'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'some of your shit's backwards'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'people still using dial up and all that'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have been to 3rd world nations, it is much worse than western countries.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i haven't paid bills over the counter for at least the last ten years'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Schneider National is hiring 200 drivers to haul oil/sand/water in the oil fields.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I use a credit card for everything.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love those miles.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'don't have a credit card'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 1.7 million airline miles atm.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what does that even mean?'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it means I can fly to Hawaii for free about 34 times.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hawaii can't be 50000 miles away'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'unless you do a trip around the world first'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or I can upgrade a coach seat on a flight to first class for 50k miles.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i just pay for my things. easier in the long run'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'using a credit card and paying each month is the best way to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can keep your money longer and earn interest, plus get miles for every dollar.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why do you care if the bank earns interest?'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I earn interest in the money.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not the damn credit card company.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'wait. you earn interest on money you don't actually have?'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's very nice of the banks'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes, because the money that will pay the bill to the credit card ONCE a month still earns interest in my bank acct'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When you use cash, that money is gone, and no interest earned.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and you don't pay interest on your credit so you get a net profit?'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure do, cause you are not charged interest unless roll over the balance.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyway, it works better for me if i spend money i have'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am what credit card companies call a DEAD BEAT, because I pay my credit card bill on time every month so that they cannot charge me interest.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why don't you start the month with the money that you already have instead of spending it in advance?'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What?'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'like, spend money instead of credit'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because then you dont earn interest on that cash if you pay for it right when you buy it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you dont get airline miles.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'right. the miles'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't get the interest part tho. sound counter-intuitive for you to have the upper hand in this'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is called common sense :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the miles are apparently very important and i'll take your word for that'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'depends how he's investing his extra cash'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'like for example, where I work there's a stock purchase program, so if I can manage to score an extra 1000 bucks interest free for a given period of time, I can techincally be vesting that in the ESPP and make money on it way ahead of bank interest'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hmm, ok'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'regular interest rates are pretty craptastic though, like 3% on most savings accounts, winning a month's interest is like making .3% on your money'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still better than getting nothing by spending the cash instead of credit.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm a cash fan myself. only use the bank for paying for shit online'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'cash gives you control over your money and makes spending it feel "real". at least for me it does'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'card payments don't feel like spending money to me and that's a slippery slope'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the benefit will of course go away if stores start charging you extra to use the credit cards though, which the new federal law allows them to do.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the credit card companies charge shitloads from merchants. especially amex'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but that cost is included in the price you pay for stuff in the stores regardless of cash or credit.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i care about local small businesses as well'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'many places don't even have card terminals because they can't afford it'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one guy recently passed the 10 million mile mark on United......'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all his miles are actual miles though, not credit card miles.'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'negative worth'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-02-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'American and United airlines both sell a lifetime first class ticket for $350,000'
T3/r7/2013-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Aw, kalifornia is mad at Texas for buying commercials in the state telling kalifornia businesses that they should move to Texas, because we are pro business.'
T3/r7/2013-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'libtards are going craaaaaaazy!'
T3/r7/2013-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We really need to switch to gas cooling for power plants.....by 2030, about 11% of all fresh water use will be for cooling power plants.'
T3/r7/2013-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts yawns.
T3/r7/2013-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not cutting it that much, are they?'
T3/r7/2013-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2013-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what do ya'll think about the OCAAT form of learning?'
T3/r7/2013-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Qatar's economy grew by 19% in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'God, Mcdonalds fucke up their apple pie.....I miss the nice crispy flaky apple pie they used to serve......it was 100% better then the baked crap they have now.'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe they decided that mcdonald's in america has to be worse than elsewhere!'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because Alaska indians made better deals with the US govt, while the lower 48 indians keep getting screwed :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if Hasbro is going to sue Iran for stealing it's warplane design.  The 'new' iranian jet looks like it is made from plastic, and a toy...Where are the damn rivets ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The new Webb Telescope will be 100x stronger then the Hubble Telescope, and it will orbit the earth at 1 million miles away, compared to Hubble which is 350 miles above earth.'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'diet coke has only 1 calory. In the interests of neutrality, other diet drinks are available, e.g. water'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cocaine is 0 calorie also'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'is that true?'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I doubt'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably, though not technically a drink'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'marijuana is 0 calorie'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends what you cook it into'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'idd'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'cocaine is never pure cocaine'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ok, maybe 15 calories, the same as spinach'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'noway that there's no energy in a hemp leaf'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'cocaine is made of gasoline and coca leaves, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'california lawmakers are announcing a semi-auto confiscation plan'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like that'll help'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt south american growers and producers would use valuable gasoline, when water works.'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'cocaine is not water soluble in the form that occurs in the plant'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, Jim Tucker is still alive'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'synthetic cocaine.'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets go get rich.'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, poll: Hillary Clinton most popular actor on american political stage'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'San Bernardino cops waste $2000 harassing a woman hiking in the desert'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i couldn't care less, it's a bit naughty because it's misrepresentation, but i don't have any qualms about eating horse provided it's healthy meat'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, mis'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yum'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you should personally care about a company lying to you about what is in your food'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, but that's not why most people are complaining'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'not because the meat happens to come from a horse'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '15 year old mare is yummy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally tend to avoid non-local meat as far as possible'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'this is why we have the FDA and USDA in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is it snowing yet ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Has the end of the world by snow come ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh no, not a wizard of oz remake.'
T3/r7/2013-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, US imports of oil dropped by $4.6 billion in December 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'For all of 2012, the U.S. trade gap fell by 3.5 percent to $540.4 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, almost 40 million people visited Las Vegas in 2012....a new record.'
T3/r7/2013-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the mars rover drilled into mars, and discovered oil!'
T3/r7/2013-02-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Shirley Basset?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Some European beurocrats to be turned into "secret agents" and become trolls to fight euroskepticism online'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'most of them are here allready'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, it's mostly for sheepbook'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's where the people are'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama doesn't seem too happy listening to this guy speak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PFb6NU1giRA'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Watching it now'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastling: 'oh hi people'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's quite long with a large preamble, he starts kicking establishment heads around 3/4 of the way through'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously educated and smart black guy, hat is off to him'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I ade it past the bird story, I loled and spilled a little beer:P It's good so far'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS watchdog OK's 'suspicionless' seizure of electronic devices along border'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially legalising DHS theft of your phones and laptops'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is pretty awful but it is also a good thing TN'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is a good thing?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'expanding the suspect pool'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on what planet is it a good thing?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it will foster the kind of general backlash that will end these draconian acts'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can meh all you want'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't work'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it will not foster anything'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i've been getting "randomly" selected for this type of stuff for the last ten years'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people will be made to believe that it's normal and justified, there'll be no backlash'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no one cares though because they were being selective about it and it didn't affect the general population'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why they're pushing all kinds of stuff right now to get you used to it'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm telling you its much easier to justify these kind of things when it is selective'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's selective then you have selection criteria. By controlling the criteria it removes the problem'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but the selection criteria is retarded, it is very easy to "fit the profile" in America'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why you need good people controlling the criteria'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'TSA has been ramping up "security" for years now, but they haven't stopped anything major'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty easy, it was set out in the 4th ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'freedom from unreasonable search and seizure'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'key word being unreasonable,  who decides?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'read on'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it doesn't clarify who decides, just stipulates the need for a search warrant'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, need to go to the judge outlining what is to be searched, what you're searching for, and what your justification is'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called due process'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's why there's uproar from liberty minded people in the UK over plans to put blackbox recorders at all ISP's'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Internet service providers?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I can understand their outrage, but they are closing the barn door after the horse has left'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not even about efficacy'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about legal precedent'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't disagree with you in that it needs to get worse in order for more people to wise up to it'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i have to live through this, and i don't want to have to'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm now off to eat food while i can still afford such fucking luxuries'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'bon apetite'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt bans Youtube for 1 month, lol'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Christopher Dorner's story suggests that there is a problem with left-wing extremists, and therefore the democrat party should be listed as a terrorist organisation and banned'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there is a problem with extremists, period'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt the know the meaning of the word'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The best serial killers go from state to state, and never stay for too long in any one place.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't be surprised if that cop-killing obama supporter pitches up in Texas'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of the people he hates there'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"suspicionless seizure of electronic devices" is a violation of the USA Constitutional Ammendment against unwarranted seizure of private property '
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'DHS is an unknown accronym outside of the USA or UK'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'suspicionless seizure, period.  Forfeiture laws should only be applied when the owner commits a crime, not when a crime in general is perpetrated.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got to protect tsa goons who pilfer ipads, hans'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gotta look after the ruling class and their goons'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for example, if a random drug dealer uses the hood of your car to lay out his drugs and count the buyer's money the DEA should not be able to impound your car unless you were either the dealer or the buyer.  Such a law did in fact exist in the 90s in the US, though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who cares? you can now be assassinated by the government for having had contact with someone who is classified a terrorst'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that anything, including having political views that oppose the quango, is considered terrorism, you tell me where that leaves due process?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you could always be assassinated for contact with a terrorist.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts seems to be a right-wing extremist, and in the words of Tigernuts:  "therefore the Libertarian (and Republican) party should be listed as a terrorist organisation and banned"'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop being racist, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, not right-wing.  Only a left-wing nutter would play the racist card.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'playing cards is racist'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is playing the "race card" to excuse the racial deficiencies of the Tigernuts opinions -- (but what race is Tigernuts)'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tigernuts is doing an impression of self-styled "trendy" liberals'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'race has absolutely nothing to do with being racist, Zade.  It's just what you call the other side when they disagree with what you say.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts gallantly tips his hat to the soul of Hans.
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's bogus'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's bogus, but it's what's been happening of late'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's exactly what the left-wing democrats did when Obama and his policies were under attack.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'dismissing racism out of hand is bogus'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for example?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bah, illiterate foreigners (and republicans, and extremist trolls) that are attempting to change dictionary definitions to extremely bad exaggerated-scope definitions'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Michael Moore'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jason Whitlock'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jesse Jackson'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Al Sharpton.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'those are names... people accuse of them of "playing the race card"'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because racism is "dead"'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debate Danny Glover'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jamie Foxx'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Michael More Donuts probably the worst public offender of it though'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is very easy to see that racism is alive and well in the US'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody said there was no such thing as racism'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'uh, black activists that cut their activism teeth on MLKJr's coattails throw the race card more than anyone.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, blacks are among the worst racists out there'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats preposterous'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'really'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many people on twitter/facebook did we see during the election claiming that they were going to vote Obama, and I quote "cos he black"'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'if nothing else, it's kind of a racist statement to say that people of a certain color are more racist.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the civil rights movement is irrelevent now.  They HAVE to throw the race card, or else they lose their last little bit of influence.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'but I agree that there's way more acceptance when racism goes in that direction'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'genocide in Africa was done by racist africans (non-whites)'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racism in the UK was largely a fabrication'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far bigger problem was classism'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a load of crap, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought the Magna Carta took care of that?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'very easy to dismiss racism when it will most likely never affect you'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Magna Carta had been legislated out of existance centuries ago'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racism will likely never affect anyone in this country'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in any meaningful non-criminal way'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'now that is a bold statement'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the ungrateful coloreds upon being let into GB did not want to be as lowerclass docile as the poor lowerclass whites'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'global economics are far too advanced to have shit in one country not affect folks in another.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, let's put it a slightly more pragmatic way: Poverty, inequality, and corruption are all far bigger problems in the USA than racism'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its not an either or thing'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you are poor and black, you're double fucked'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(note to self: delete all Hanslanda poopyposts with cusswords -- since the Hanslanda troll is defecating irrelevant crap in public)'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the UK, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're poor and black you're quids in, here'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even better so if you're poor, black, single mother and a lesbian catholic'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I wouldn't be able to judge having never lived in the UK or spent much time there'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but being on welfare is no picnic, not like it's made out to be'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have very little genuine racism, but total system over the top positive descrimination'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the most descriminated against people here are white, heterosexual, unmarried single males over the age of 18'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a war breaks out, there be racism'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'being on welfare and following the rules is no picnic.  It's much better when the hood backs you up, though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a picnic here'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's why the country is broke'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, being a white male is so hard :'('
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda flails comically in an attempt to throw up various gang signs.
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that seems like a faulty premise to me TN'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its not like people on welfare are funneling the money to the Cayman Islands or eating it'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or depositing it in their trust fund'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'poor people are generally living hand to mouth'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, very true, hand to mouth with cars, booze, fags, satellite tv, the latest gadgets, fast food, drugs, foreign holidays, and lots of other luxuries that are often hard to come by for people who have to work for a living'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be fucking awful for them'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are more black millionaires in the midwest than white ones now.  Has been since roughly '10, but dunno how the recent meltdown's affected them.  Could be it's no longer the case anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but I'm sure they just love to give The Man another 50k in taxes now that Obamacare's taking over.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's going to be hilarious if/when "Obamacare" is a huge success'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are you measuring success?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's far too expensive to ever be a success.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is expensive about it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'forcing everyone who can afford it to get health care? seems like it would drive down the price'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already been proven not to, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'health care is cheaper in the vast majority of developed countries'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't see how it could get worse'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you have essentially an entire country full of sick people who either cannot afford insurance or were basically disallowed it (pre-existing conditions, inherently-dangerous occupation like firefighter, etc) who now get it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can be worse by making people poorer, and not improving the healthcare they are provided'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those people aren't going to get suddenly better as far as the type of customer they'll be, so the more the insurance gets used the more expensive it's going to be.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not true hans'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a stitch in time saves nine'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and all that'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you go to the dentist for checkups and he tells you, you need to brush your teeth you have cavities'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or you need fillings'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's much cheaper than a root canal'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'my dentist says root canals are no big deal.  They only hurt because of when you get them your mouth's pretty much already fucked up.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'true, but the point is still valid'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '~200$ filling vs a 1500$ root canal'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people in general don't do preventative visits'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not when they have to choose between rent and food'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's an irrelevant one.  Any time you make a claim, your premium will go up.  Small stuff, included.  Obamacare adds a lifetime of claims in a very short amount of time, and most of those claims are people the insurance companies have already denied in order to keep costs down.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not to keep costs down, but to keep profits up'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twyst: people will coverage in general don't do preventative visits'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so when people are having to choose between rent and food, here's a really fucking good idea, let's put taxed way up and force these already struggling workers to buy health insurance'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Which is why there needs to be a govt paid medical health plan for everything....if only a basic one to provide coverage like dentist visits, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'with* coverage'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we can easily afford a basic health coverage plan for all citizens.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'very true Riz'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then do it, riz, don't screw around with all this bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is forced by the right wingers'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the left wanted single payer from the beginning'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I vote for it whenever possible, but the morons in congress who do everything against the wishes of the citizens keep delaying it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'morons in congress and senate will hold up anything if their paymasters don't want it'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you want government to spend your money, but you object to them firing your guns?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no idea what you mean by that'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US will have a single payer health insurance plan eventually......it is inevitable, otherwise there will be major changes in how the govt works.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ruling elite want a feudal system, they want the money and the power, and the lavish lifestyle, and they want all of you to be serfs mired in wage slavery'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well they have succesfully conflated that with capitalism and the American dream to super duper exceptionalism'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so you have people earning under 35K a year carrying water for the multibillionaires'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I reset that statement.....most rich people want a more fair system.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if we just give them more money....they will give us JOBS'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'resent even'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look on the bright side, you could always have a shite health service like the UK's'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or we could have one like Germany or Japan.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts rolls on the floor laughing at Rizgoth's antics!
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or Australia or most of the scandinavian countries'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even Canada has a better system.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scandinavia's not all that'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it really boggles the mind though TN.  Pretty much any other system would be better than the one currently in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'spend multiples more per person on healthcare and get worse results'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, so it is amusing to see the wrong problem being dealt with'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the right problems so to speak are political suicide'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like justification for revolution'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'curtailing anyones 'right' to make as much money as humanly possible is carnal sin'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dispose of the system and go back to your states, set up healthcare how you see fit'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we tried the articles of confederation before. They sucked'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the only way independent states work is if they are well and truly independent'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthcare at a state level would address differing political approaches across the country'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would remove the need for country-wide agreement'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it would make sense if everything was either federal or state'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but this hodgepodge of powers is infeasible and impractical'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the original plan was that everything except foreign policy and inter-state trade would b e state-side'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a hodgepodge because you guys didn't keep tabs on it'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US already does federal block grants for medicare, and it is the most efficient healthcare system in the country.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it is underfunded.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'who cares about healthcare when there is the gun debate :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun debate is over'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone forgot to tell the californian government though'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the problem with healthcare in the US is the private area, not the public.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tell that to the repubs'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will never have a decent system unless you go to fully state-provided, or fully independent'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you go fully independent you'll always have an access problem for the poor'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you go fully government, you will always have problems surrounding rationing and availability'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depending on how it is done.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'full govt health care = more cost per person'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you (the fool) give the rich more money, they shall gamble and risk the extra money in unsafe derivatives (so the extra money supposedly earns more money) and hope that those manipulating the derivatives may actually earn money longterm (but they don't, they go for lazy fast shorterm environment-exploiting-ruining profits - they may even invest in derivatives piled upon derivatives, and that eventually collapses, (since so few of the rich are actually doing any actual work - and all the others are investor-parasites, believing to let their money do the work, as though dead papermoney works))'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US private system is already 3x more expensive then the same care in Germany or Japan.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not necessarily true, elch'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't let facts get in the way though'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a competent government (ROFLWTFBBQ) that can prevent the highway robber that goes on in the medical and pharmaceutical system, yes'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont see german or japanese doctors quitting the field because of runaway malpractice cases like they do in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the definition of runaway malpractice?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't see japanese doctors giving dying old ladies 2 hip operations knowing that they'll get paid top dollar for it regardless'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if you put it that way TN no one would disagree'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but the right has mastered spin and coopted the media'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FeLLR3LWtv4'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh fuck off have they'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that turns into "Death Panels" before you can blink'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not "the right", it's the lobbyists'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'listen to Mr Carlin, he knows best'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich with all those humongous piles of money are no longer actually working - they are seeking methods of earning more virtual-money from virtual-money -- and there is not enough actual production in the world to sustain  profits for that increasing humungous pile of virtual-monies seeking more profits, more profits!, more! '
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'hint: in Singapore we have more than one govt healthcare company. Probably the best reason for our efficiency.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'compound interest is the most powerful force in the universe.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'do you have a car in singapore'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'cars are way too expensive...'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth believes in profits from ripping oil and gas out of the planet -- but recent estimates stated that the world is using up oil and gas 3x faster than new oil and gas is being found '
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what is it like 90k pluss for even the least expensive'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would be the point of a car in singapore? not like you can fucking DRIVE anywhere'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'can cost nearly 100k for a 10 year piece of the quota, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Suuure, and that 3.5 trillion barrels of new oil in the US is a myth.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be like owning a car living in the centre of London'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'lots of people drive over the border to shop, for one.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cheap oil and gas is going to run out, and when that happens, billions shall begin starving'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just anothe termite hole full of shitheads crammed in ontop of each other'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'but most regular people just take the bus or train to work.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what about scooters'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only thing preventing oil from being produced is technology.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and extraction costs'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which again comes down to technology'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the tipping point is when it takes more than a barrel of oil to extract a barrel of oil'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'they really ought to expand train capacity though... current system reaching its limits...'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use renewable energy to extract oil!'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and then some oil engineer will come up with a new idea to extract the oil cheaper then last week.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it can never cost more than a barrel of oil to extract a barrel... the price of the extracted barrel would just go up'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not in cash value Elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in energy terms'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'extracting the expensive oil and gas is going to be expensive, (expensive environmentally)'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '20 years ago the thought of shale oil was just an oil engineer in West Texas who thought there was a better way to get at large amounts of oil and gas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and today we enjoy hydraulic fracturing because of that research.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over here in the UK, we run our cars off the finest french red wine'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, that's what I think it is, it's as fucking expensive as french red wine'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thats just oil thats not worth extracting'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fracturing foir oil -- destroy the water supply -- be unable to grow crops because the water is fracted up bad'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'unless technology impoves'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont be an idiot, the oil that is being fractured is 8000 feet deeper than the water supply.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'mistakes happen Riz'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'can purify water...'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I've seen videos of flammable tap war on youtube'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best not run the hydron collider either, incase you create a black hole'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts rolls his eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and the daily show/colbert report'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'all that water should be required to be cleaned'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, and I can drill a well on one of my pieces of property that has methane leaking into the water table naturally.....and it lights up also.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but drill 50 feet deeper and you hit pure water.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'kind of like reducing air pollution companies should be charged on contaminated water'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a supposedly clean example does not justify the dirty examples'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'maybe H2O credits'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get SSRi's, hormones, chemical fertiliser run offs, waste products from the chemical industry that causes IQ reductions and neurological damage, all present in the water supply, and you're obsessed with methane leaching?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and drill even deeper to hit oil and gas, that the up leakage poisons the water table'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just like people should be charges for each gallon of water they pull out of a well (at least in some areas'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts implies with his middle finger that he would like Elchanan to fuck off!
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there we go again, you talking about crap you have no clue about....do you even know how an oil or gas well is drilled ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods.
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government does not own the water, they can get lost'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'please enlighten us then.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well first they dig this big hole in the ground until the hit a big underground lake of oil :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much oil is required to poison a whole water table -- and does a poisoned water table recover fast or extremely slow'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'stop being patronizing'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'does the govt own the air'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then stop being stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not yet, elch'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give them five minutes'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drilling an oil or gas well is a complicated endeavour and they take extreme care to not pollute the water table.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and when oil drilling attempt is a economic dud, do they leave the hole to leak up some oil into the water table'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but they can easily fuck it up Riz'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why they use concrete well casings to protect the water.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'water usage has externalities  just like polluting into the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and before BP a vast majority of that extreme care was pencil whipping'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'conrete, steel, well mud, and more concrete to protect the water.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'doesn't matter if the cement job is shit'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or it is an H2S well and 40 years from now the casing is pitted out'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'extreme-care lips-flapping -- "read my lips" pr '
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There were 8500 wells dug in that year, and one had a problem....bite me.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have a guaranteed clean environment, twyst and zade, provided you kill yourselves along with everyone else on the planet'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'wells create cones of depression and depending on how large and how many cones the water table can get lowered'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there was one HUGE problem, I'm sure there were more less nationally publicized ones'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, nature messes herself up from time to time, best get rid of her too'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even the law of averages would have had a larger number of wells having a problem'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'this can be a big problem in costal areas due to salt water intrusion'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in that 1 acknowledged failure (out of 8500 alleged nonfailures)-- what was the environmental damage'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go find a sensible alternative to oil then'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'off you go kthxbye'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'don't get me wrong, drilling for oil/gas is necessary'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there is no need to pretend it is safe though'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a lot safer than the alternative.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'considerably more functional and cheaper than the alternatives, too'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'safer is fine, but telling people it is safe gives them false expectations'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'another tipping point is when the energy required to extract oil < energy needed to convert gas to liquid fuels'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is safe, just not 100%, nothing is 100% safe.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'NGLs are a pita'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'keep the oil in the ground, start rationing oil while the oil is plentiful, find alternatives to food and transportation, reduce population, reduce dependence on oil from the ground'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liquid gas fuels, because those are soo safe'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about you start first....get your ass off the mud and go ration your electricty.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'turn off the lights and go live in a cave.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, they need to kill themselves, all of the caves are off limits because of agenda 21'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and besides, their breathing is drowning polar bears'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'can also use CO2 to grow algae then crack the algae and separate it into a oil part and a solid part that has protein content'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the magnetic poles shift and reverse align, during the shift, the electromagnetic protection from the sun shall likely be absent'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says who'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What is your address?  I would like to send you some tinfoil.....'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'humans may hide indoors, unsure about food crops'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be one of those rubbish digital magnetic fields that the earth has'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an analogue magnetic field wouldn't be worried about such things'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do the GPS satellites depend on the van allen belt for protectiuon'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'suffice to say, we are not going to run out of oil, because we can MAKE oil out of any carbon source right now.....even dead people.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're planning on making food out of dead people'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'for a net loss in energy '
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'soylent brown is dead people.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the poles reverse align (and or do not provide any align during the reversal), and if the GPS satellites are disabled, interesting disaster scenario there'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apples and oranges again, a company in missouri has a proven process that turns turkey and chicken waste into oil.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at a cost of $80 a barrel.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the poles reverse align, other than some disruption, things will continue as normal'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is a net loss of energy and wouldn't work on a large scale...laws of thermodynamics'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when folk start starving, people eating live people are likened to zombies'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'considering it costs $80 a barrel to produce, ie $80 of energy and materials, and oil is $100 a barrel...that is a PROFIT'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the same way how canadian tar sands now costs $35 a barrel to produce.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'money is arbitrary Rizgoth, it costs more than 1 joule of energy to generate 1 joule's worth of oil'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but 20 years ago it cost $120 a barrel'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'basic thermo'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cost of energy is still cost of energy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'takes 8 units of oil energy to put 1 unit of food energy on the table -- garbage scraps are unused food'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so what.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the economics would be better with a proper carbon tax too, since making oil from food waste would not incur a tax the same way oil wells would.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so this would make sense in an improving efficiency sense, but it could never work on a large scale'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they're trying to claim that for energy purposes the world is a closed system, when clearly it is not'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so those apples and oranges are likely going to require energy to produce -- likely eat up that alleged $20 profit'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it isn't a closed system, but getting the necessary energy density in a storable medium...oil... is expensive'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'somewhere between Bogota and Tunis lies your point'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it seems like you're wilfully misunderstanding'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, i don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we use oil because it's the most economical and useful means'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'recycling/repurposing waste to a usuable form is good, but it can't be the whole system as Riz is suggesting'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this will change over time'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'again, thanks to technology.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but we will never run out of oil or gas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll need SOMEthing in the future, it sure as hell won't be a windmill'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no way to know that TN'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes we do'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You wont want a windmill right next your house....trust me.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they make noise.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'windmills are good when they are built where people do not live.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could always burn coal'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that means big trunk lines for that power will need to be built.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the world wasn't so overpopulated and dumbed down, people could be largely energy self-sufficient'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is the one of the two main problems holding alternative energy back'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'storage and delivery'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people love wind turbines until they realize huge trunk lines for the power will need to built on their land.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is Russia buying tons of gold so that Putin and his cronies can spirit it away (like the former communist elite did in 1991) when Russia collapses?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'papermoney is vapormoney'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Algae is the future of oil.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rare physical metals obey the law of conservation of mass and energy -- virtual money does not obey that law'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'gold certificates are virtual money'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, i'd never buy gold certificates'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I own some 80 year old gold certificates....'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$20 gold baby!'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'actual physical gold is the desired commodity for those preparing for another financial meltdown where virtual monies disappear'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh, that's why bigtime investors have been buying it up as a hedge'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy silver instead.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they tax silver sales here at 20%'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they're godawful cunting authoritarians'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently, investments are "luxuries" and therefore subject to value added tax'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silver is sexy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$50 silver by 2015!'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the banks and the extremely rich exempt from that VAT'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporations have all manner of ways of wiggling out of VAT, the rich are partly immune by means of using offshore tax dodges'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Oklahoma increased oil production by 13% in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'distorted meaningless statistics used by government and media increased by 1,000,000,000% in 2012'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, North Dakota increased oil production by 35% in 2012 !'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 in 6 americans have mental illness.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean autism?'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, just mental illness.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 in 300 or so have autism'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'up from 1 in 20,000 or so, 30 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's more common than that, if I remember the commercials right.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most cases of autism are probably something else, but was thrown into autism because it didnt fit exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but some cases really are autism.'
T3/r7/2013-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'being 99% sure means you still don't know.'
T3/r7/2013-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pope Nazinger is stepping down as pope. Don't popes usually just die in office?'
T3/r7/2013-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Bonus points to Benedict for self-insight'
T3/r7/2013-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rick Perry getting some serious amounts of press coverage over his poaching of businesses, all the flack is doing is highlighting how business friendly Texas is compared to the whingers'
T3/r7/2013-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more major discrepencies reported in the account of Bin Laden's death'
T3/r7/2013-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a Maryland school district seeks to steal the intellectual property rights of every one of it's students and staff'
T3/r7/2013-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, "Child annoyance" is an actual crime. Not as in "OMG, it's a crime when it shouldn't be" but "That's a hilarious name".'
T3/r7/2013-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'iirc there was some crazy republican who wanted death penalty for disobedient kids'
T3/r7/2013-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i guess he was annoyed by kids'
T3/r7/2013-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but hey, who isn't?'
T3/r7/2013-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about death penalty for the parents of unruly kids?'
T3/r7/2013-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, that's definitely more sane and really does something that you would propose'
T3/r7/2013-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'does sound like something*'
T3/r7/2013-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about death penalty for parents?'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 2012, the US Govt gave away $50 billion in foreign aid, which includes both military and economic aid to other countries.  Most the money went to countries that didnt like us in the first place.'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the UN is getting all huffy over North Korea's garden explosives'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '41% of obamafones were given to people who didn't qualify'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: ''sok, much of the farm aid money didn't even go to farmers, either.'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Thats because Obamaphones are used to track people duh'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who would win in a boxing fight between Barrack Obama and Kim Jong Un?'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'My vote is on Un, you can never tell with those asians'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'm cheering on North Korean nuclear missiles'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in fact, a lot of that money went to well-off, if not rich, black frauds who claimed to be farmers when really they were yuppies living in the city with one of those upside-down tomato baskets hanging from their condo balcony.'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kim jun is a fat guy, can barely move....obama knows karate!'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he does not know karate, he doesn't know how to shoot, but he's a wizz with photoshop'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama also stands 10 feet tall and lightning bolts shoot out of his arse...'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has a reality bending field, too'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Are you saying he can bend light?!'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chuck norris taught him tai chi'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, i'm saying he lies through his teeth'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Maybe Chuck Norris is his Jedi Trainer?'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'everybody bends light.'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's not really an Obama thing, Tiger.  More of a politician thing.'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Agreed Hans'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you should see his grill, though.  Obama really CAN bend light with it in.'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, obama doesnt need to fight...he has a 12 man secret service team that will fight for him....kim un would be lucky to even fit through the door.'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Well then lets assume they are in a sumo match'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force, and like force, like fire, is a dangerous servant and a fearful master'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'The only reason the government is a tyrant in the first place is because of the people heading it'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kim un needs to visit the US so that we can kidnap his ass and show him Gitmo.'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best thing you can do to Kim is leave him alone'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what about the rest of him, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biden's been caught being dodgy again'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's just biden this time.'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good ole Joe, can always rely on him coming up with something shit'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best thing Biden can do for his country is die of old age'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right about now'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Biden, to a meeting on almost exclusively left-wing bought-off media magnates at a Gun-Control round table: "To be very blutn with you, we're counting on all of you, the legitimate news media to cover these discussions because the truth is that times have changesd"'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, running that through a bullshit filter, we get "You guys are the democrat party propoganda arm, we expect you to stick solely to the narrative that WE make"'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change alarmists blame near asteroid miss on human activity'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I saw that somewhere, some scientist type accelerating past any madness horizon you can think of?'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps if they lost some weight, the gravitational pull of the earth would be less, and fewer asteroids would come close. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uh huh'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so who is going to watch state of the union adress'
T3/r7/2013-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Well Rubio just knocked it out of the park'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakata: 'Do guys that pee sitting down make you giggle? :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see the federal minimum wage increased to $9.00 an hour, and tied to inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the last time the minimum wage was a living wage was in the 1960s.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'While $9.00 is not a living wage, it is a step in the right direction.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, LAPD go "Waco" on Dorman while lobbyists use it to justify using armed drones on civilians within America'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meanwhile, man gets raided by police after posting picture of toy soldier with toy mortar on facebook'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not saying the feds have totally lost the plot... but.... well actually, they have'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'so they burned Dorner alive eh?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'LAPD were heard to say "Burn that motherfucker down" before setting fire to the cabin where Chris Dorner was holed up, possibly burning him alive'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ohhhh yes'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'God bless America, right? [end sarcasm]'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I seen the CNN feed, they said the fire started from a flashbang and that caused his ammo to start going off in the cabin LOL what a bullshit story'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Actually, should have used a drone to pop a missile into the cabin....would have been quicker.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'aka Waco BBQ'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'either way saved the taxpayers a few million dollars though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, riz, they'll now have a public enquiry'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, it will die just as quickly.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'In the wake of the change of revolution in Tunisia, huge numbers of Islamic schools have popped up, teaching an extreme form of Sharia'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bahrain's public go on massive protests on the 2nd yr anniversary of the start of the unrest'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Qatar hand seized Syrian embassy over to the jihadists'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has lost 450 drones in Iraq and Afghanistan over the last 5 years'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the end of the world news, enjoy burning in hell'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now back to your regular programming'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'Justin Bieber got a haircut!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Krache gasps as she realizes what Brujah did.
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'am i the only one who in response to "State of the Union Address" wanted him to say "We're skint, mate"'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you slowpoke in human form?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Tiger, if I knew what skint might I might lol'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'lacking monies'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Oh then certainly agree with that statement'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you think of state of the union and it's response?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i normally abhor the Daily Caller, but i liked this strapline: "Its Wednesday morning, and thanks to President Barack Obamas State of the Union, the country is now give-or-take 6,439 words stupider."'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'of course you did. it has the name "obama" in it'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't like him THAT much'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yes you do and you don't even realize it'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Instead of cuts, lets raise taxes to pay for more spending on projects that are shovel-ready  unless they actually are shovel-ready. Let us also get people who cant afford houses into houses'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'create disincentives for immigration'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and create disincentives for hiring. Finally, let us come together to pass laws that already exist, and to re-define words to cancel out laws that once existed.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the third response: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iEJ75z13Ao'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I guess Dorner may of had hostages in the cabin the police burned down'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'collateral damage, according to the feds'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mind you, the voice on the police radio that said "burn the motherfucker down" did sound suspiciously like Dagnir....'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'wasn't that obama? i don't even know who dorner is'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't follow current affairs, then?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dorner is the fired cop who went crazy and shot up Los Angeles's finest.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, ok. i knew about the deranged cop but didn't bother to remember his name'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guessing you don't know who Chris Kyle is, then'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a singer?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Selina's kid brother.  It's why Catwoman and Batman feud so much.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'celebrated US army sniper murdered in... slightly murky circumstances'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'obama killed him or something?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, some guy hyped up on SSRi's'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supposedly had PTSD, but never actually fought in combat'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'PTSD isn't actually a combat disease.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can get it because you survived a building falling down on you in an earthquake.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's not how the media span it'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they spun him as a combat veteran suffering PSTD'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so he was just pretending to be a celebrated army sniper?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, the victim was the sniper, not the murderer'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so how do you know he wasn't in combat?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his record says so'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was a mechanic'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'served 1 tour and never saw combat'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite prepared to believe he was mentally ill and shot him though'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when did he serve?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't recall, late 2000s i believe'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'surprised he never saw combat.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did it say where he served?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'afghanistan'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, very surprised he never saw combat.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would he? he was a mechanic, not frontline infantry'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'several bases were getting bombed at the time around then, if I recall.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe so'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he likely wasn't on one that never saw any action, and that was the time the military was focused on fixing Iraq.  Afghanistan was on the verge of repeating the soviet's mistakes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/04/cybersecurity-bill-faq-disturbing-privacy-dangers-cispa-and-how-you-stop-it'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good info'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'it is'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you use https-everywhere plugin by any chance?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'oh the one that makes the smaller?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's a plugin for firefox that will automatically use secure http transfer if the server supports it'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'oh that one. Dont unse firefox'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'use something like it'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but yeah, the biggest problem with CISPA, like just about everything else Obama and Bush have done, is make rules so absurdly loose and broad that privacy and freedom are trodden over because of loopholes'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i know.. but looks that somepeople in that town will say nothing do nothing'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i dont get it'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'they just let this people do as they wish... Once was called the land of the freedom.. now?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people have been trained to believe "if i have nothing to hide, i have nothing to fear"'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a generational thing, it's been 3 generations since ww2 so everyone has forgotten what it was like'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'but.. did the delivery girls that the lapd shoot on them had nothing to hide...'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'in that land.. not in all lands'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would hesitate to say people are stupid, so much as say they are naive'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a social-media thing.  Current generation values sharing of intel more than they value privacy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'but yea social media thing'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'but i see the debates here and is the same thing.. Really the only person questioning here is Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'the rest is just repeating media thing... is very sad'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a shock, i don't trust know liars'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the government does what it wants.  That has been true since before the Articles of Confederation were written.  What they are doing now is legislating what they already do so that there's something out in the open to point to.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you question the narative on absolutely anything, suddenly you're ac ook'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cooq*'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'and you guys are just going to let them?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure.  Can't stop what's already happened.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is sad that you think that way'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'tiger questioning is good'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fighting a snooping law in my own country. all you guys can do is petition your lawmakers and draw their attention to the flaws, and make it quite clear that if they don't act, you'll seen them voted out'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kinma: 'I agree... Question everything and everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'I agree with tiger'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'in europe they stopped acta like that'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'hans do you know who aron swarts was?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the masses suffer for the lack of knowledge, contact your representative and get their view, if it's deficient, put them straight, then tell everyone in your area to do the same, make a leaflet, or a youtube video'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'in that link i posted you can call your senators and demand! to stop it'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'call and make your friends call every second'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'end date is friday'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'just dont stand and say oh they taking it....'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of active disobedience to this, it's tough because they're going after the endpoints of communication, so simply encrypting traffic won't help'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ronda nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to bypass the legislation, you'd not only need to use an operating system that is clean of trojans and corporate interest (knocks out microsoft, apple, and many branded linux distro's), you'd need to ensure the companies you deal with over the internet are not in the USA too, and have non-disclosure agreements in place'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this means no facebook, no google (use startpage instead)'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'there is something like twitter will get the link'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'startpage are going to be betatesting their new encrypted email system soon'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'good info!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'https://github.com/sanity/tahrir/wiki/Overview'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'be carefull of your iphones'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, scrap your smartphone'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'change to solar power asap '
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're more compromised than choirboy's arse'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're talking about prepping now, that's a bit off context, though having a measure of self sufficiency will certainly help weather the financial shitstorm'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'it also helps the planet :) i love the planet sorry'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not many people can afford to live in the country, unfortunately'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'im not talking about that.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i certainly intend to be offgrid-capable if/when i achieve that'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'just have some solar cels around not make your super roof and be a prep forever'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'where in iceland?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iceland?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i mean offgrid is so difficult'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not difficult, but is expensive to set up'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need solar, wind, and possibly steam or diesel generator, biggest expense if a sizeable battery pack to store power'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'oh you mean making your own electricity water gas? that kind of offgrid?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electricity and water is easy enough, russian farmers make their own gas, i personally wouldn't bother'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd go with 4-6 5kw wind turbines and about 12kw of solar, a steam boiler for the winter'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'well thats the thing your winter is so different at mine, but lived some of those cold ones'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'winter isn't terribly cold here, but is wet and dull'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'here is ok, and there is plenty of sunlight'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_cispa/?wGbRgeb  to stop CISPA you can sign'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what are unlocked cellphones, and why are they so prized by some humans (and feared by other intolerant humans)'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'stop trolling'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+are+unlocked+cell+phones'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But Majic, clicking on links is hard.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Today in Republican insanity: Raising the minimum wage would/could/might/will hurt low-wage workers.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Because it'd make employers hire less people, which would give low-wage workers less opportunities to "hone their skills" in order to climb the corporate ladder... of low wage jobs)'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And thus, we should not raise the minimum wage, ever.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not ever? no. But we should continue to have low wages for entry-level workers, especially kids fresh out of high school, who frankly aren't worth much more.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'a two stage minimum wage for people below and above the age of majority?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nobody's saying give them 20 bucks an hour. But raising the minimum wage? Not crazy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd go for that -- I think it'd encourage employers to give the teenagers a chance.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'We've raised ours here in Ontario a few times over the last few years. It's up to 10.25 right now, think it's going to 10.75 soon.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so are the Republicans supporting cheap child labour '
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Marco Rubio, meanwhile, hags this to say "Minimum-wage laws have never worked in terms of helping the middle class attain more prosperity." - Yeah, I'm suuuuuure the Middle Class was just rich as fuck back when there were no minimum wage laws at all.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'min wage should be $10.00 per hour plu inflation each year, a min of 35 cents per year.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'huh? child labor makes it sound like you're looking at 12 year olds working all day in factories, not paying a 15 year old to work a few hours after school sometimes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are at LEAST 15 million people on min wage right now.....'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not including teens, but adults.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'does Masrco Rubio look like a criminal type'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes Riz, and we should give everyone a million dollars a year too. I mean, if everyone has a million dollars, everyone will be able to buy everything... right?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I'm fine with fewer employed children if it means adults get a higher minimum wage.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which part of min wage of $10 did you not understand?  I didnt say 1 million dollars, stop trolling.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'With adults with a higher minimum wage, maybe the children wouldn't HAVE to work part-time because their parents would be able to afford giving them more stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No, but your answer to the problem is to just give out more money. I exaggerated to make a point, but you are, in fact, making the same argument.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... because of course, kids should just get everything given to them by their parents and not work for things on their own.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'At 12-16? Yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'because kids should be focusing on other things like being kids and doing well in school'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I disagree at 16'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Forcing kids to go to school AND work at that age is insane.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Look, the min wage in 1967 was higher than the buying value today.  The min wage NEEDS to be raised.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sorry, but I disagree. I totally think that parents should provide all the basic necessities.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'forcing?? wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: '15+ should be able to work'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I meant 12-15. At 16, you could stand to work.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'usually, the minimum age to get even a few hours is 14'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, keep in mind that in Sweden, we start school a year later. I'm talking about not-High School kids vs. HS kids.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Of course Majic, but if they want concert tickets or a pair of 150$ shoes they should have to work for it'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '14 is high school'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'krache, that's what I'm saying.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So for you that'd be 15. In Sweden, we start High School the year we turn 16.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'high school is 9th grade, which is 14'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unless redshirted'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'not for everyone Majic'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '14-15 in the U.S., Majic.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's why I said unless redshirted :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if kept back/delayed entry, is older, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'well, first of all its not redshirted, it just depends on when your bday falls'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Washington State has a min wage of $9.08, or at least it was in 2012...not sure what it is now, or if that is the current rate.....'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'usually, if you are 5 on the first day of school, you are eligible for K.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, the highest minimum wage in the U.S. at this moment is Washington state's $9.19.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(although it's a growing trend to keep summer-born boys back a year)'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I was 13, graduated at 17, but because my bday is very late.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'at 2% a year? Oi. Yes, it needs to be raised, absolutely! However, a mandatory 2% raise in it EVERY year would definitely put more money into everyone's pocket... but because they have more money in their pocket, products start to cost more accordingly. But hey, everyone has a bit more to spend now. You've solved nothing, as production costs increase meaning retail costs increase to compensate and no-one is better off.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... it's about 14, jeeze. '
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sometimes it's off by a few months.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'usually 15'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'towns near the idaho border in washington are booming with sales and people applying for jobs....while on the idaho side, businesses are hurting for sales, and cannot find good workers cause the min wage is 7.25 there.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not usually 15.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It depends on whether or not your birthday is in the Spring/Summer or Fall/Winter.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'usually 15 would make them already 6 at the start of K. '
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's usual to turn 15 during 9th, or the summer before, or the summer after'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'and lots of places in the US, 9th is middle school'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: '3 years of HS'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh yeah, I forgot about your wonky HS shit, that 9th can be sophomore year in HS.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... and lots of places it's not. I don't get it. '
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no it can't be sophomore year in hs, yuna, that would mean first year was 8th.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In Sweden, we have 9 years of elementary school and 3 years of High School (or our own equivalent of it)'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'disregard Cuthbert (as Cuthbert obviously believes in the use of blatant lies-through-exaggeration)'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'yeah never seen first year 8th, but lots of first year 10th'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'however, it's quite common to have jr high 7-9 and high school 10-12, or variations thereof.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Right Zade, don't argue the reasoning, ignore it because of the flourish.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I still say 15 is the age when kids should be expected to start working, though. That said, in Sweden, where people just make a whole lot more, kids almost never ever start working 'til after High School. Because we don't need to. This hasn't made us all lazy mooches or anything and score higher than U.S. students in general.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Very worldly of you.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's also quite common for kids to look for a summer job, or at least it was where I grew up. '
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is agreeing with that Dispel Majic person again...
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, summer jobs. I'm not talking about summer jobs. Those are a whole different ball of wax.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Cuthbert, that "inflation" example is grossly flawed logic typical of greedy callous republicans'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I believe we even have a different set of laws regarding summer job wages (for kids) in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yuna, at least where I grew up, it was pretty common as well for kids to work 5-10 hours a week while in high school (we're not talking fulltime jobs here)'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Now, now, let's not make assumptions. He could also be a Libertarian.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'having two wages is a bad idea.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a fair number of them would do a few afternoon shifts at the pizza place or something'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '5-10 hours a week? Doing what?!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Amazing since I'm not even an American then, Zade. Also, Michael Moore, fervent enemy of those "greedy callous republicans" was the king of exaggerating an argument in order to make a point.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, seriously, what kind of job needs someone for 5-10 hours a week?!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'waitressing?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He was proud of his methods.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Or is this a week-end job?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'yeah 5-10 seems not even worth the time'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some of them worked tables at the nursing home, they'd do tuesday and friday afternoons or something'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And that'd make them, what, 50 bucks a week? Seems hardly worth the hassle.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the kind of jobs that you can explain to someone in 15 minutes but need a warm body to show up and do'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrugs, it was worth it to them, clearly'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I worked in HS, but more like 20 hours a week'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So you'll have to remind me how only "greedy callous americans" use the same logical thinking of someone, then exaggerates it to show how ridiculous that same reasoning actually is.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(lmgtfy.com is a horrid website) '
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What I mean is that with higher minimum wage laws, I'm pretty sure their parents would be able to just gift them that money instead of having them spend 5-10 hours a week not studying (even if they wouldn't necessarily have spent those 5-10 hours a week studying).'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I created my own businesses in high school....the only way to make real money.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You change the story, but the plot is the same, and the plot is weak.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Remember, they had to get to and from their jobs, so that's a lot of extra time they're spending on getting paid or studying as well.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lmgtfy is a great website to use for people who are too fucking lazy to google search something obvious and instead expect everyone else to find the information for them :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yuna, getting to/from was usually about ten minutes tops. we're talking small-town here.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'OIC.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Still, 5 hours a week? 10 I can see being maybe worth it. 5? Please.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'well, if only all of america lived in small towns'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I see more 'why not?''
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'USameruicans are the "good guys" compared to other foreigners, in that greedy foreigners are far worse and more callous than Americans'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'obviously, the less you work, the less you make, the more time you have for other stuff, it depends what you want'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but I wouldn't just gift my kid money for expensive sneakers/expensive phone/whatever if i had one, if they were of working age.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Kids shouldn't work during school, period.  Its a distraction, and for kids to do good, they don't need it. Yes, its possible for kids to work and still excel, but its much less common.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that's usually what the kids were working for.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I'd much rather pay the money and make the kids do well in school.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '5 hours a week won't be able to afford you expensive sneakers, phones or whatever.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Depends on the kid, really. If someone doesn't HAVE to have a summer job at 16, they should probably prioritize with school... but not everyone is fortunate enough to have the home life that'll let that happen.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'CHEAP sneakers, phones or whatevers, maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'does when you save up for a few weeks.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unless you're buying sneakers every week'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I said during school'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, if my kid's getting straight A's, I'll gift him a hundred a week, maybe more if that keeps him from spending time having to wait tables and taking time off studying to keep up those grades.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its summer? get your ass to work'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '5/week at $5/hour, that's $25/week, takes you a few months to save maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You'd have to pay up for several weeks and never do anything but buy shoes and phones.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... a hundred a week? jesus christ, are you adopting? i promise I'm getting straight A's :D'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so if you are a foreigner speaking like a greedy callous Republican, then to admit you are not an American is not self-praise but something far worse'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm guessing kids who work part-time use their money for stuff like candy, eating out, going out on dates, concerts, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And for that, you need more than 5 hours a week.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it depends on how much you're spending and on what ... you seem to be used to a somewhat more lavish lifestyle than I am :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sorry Zade, I stopped paying attention to your side of this conversation awhile ago. What're you on about?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You get straight A's in HS? You get 100 bucks a week from me. I won't buy you anything else but food, but I'll GLADLY give you 100 bucks.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of the parents definitely didn't have a hundred bucks a week to toss at their kids :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I'd pay a kid $100 a week to focus on schoolwork. But that's because I'm smart and focused on schoolwork and because of that now have a good paying job that would enable me to pay children money for doing the same.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Please, my most expensive pair of shoes are my pair of Converse. I bought them last year. On sale, for what in the U.S. would equal around 50-60 bucks. Before that, my most expensive pair of shoes cost 20 bucks, tops.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Man, I had a classmate who got a Lincoln as a grad present... I got a Gamecube.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic looks at Saint Cuthbert and goes "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and yet Cuthbert replied to the criticism with an inane screed'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah man, I don't know how I will ever live with the shame of... whatever you're on about.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, I'm not saying most parents should through their kids 100 bucks a week.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'k, if its a personal value I can see that.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '10? 15? 20? They should be able to afford that. At least put it into a "Expensive shit you can buy your kids sometime" fund to buy them semi-expensive shoes, phones or whatever instead of having them work a measly 5-10 hour a week.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... would you feel better if they worked more? :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I won't be buying my kids a new pair of Converse every two months or a new smart-phone every year. I'm not stupid. But spending or giving them 100 a week if they can keep up straight A's? Small sacrifice in my opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I really don't see anything wrong with a teenager having some afternoon shifts at the pizza place or whatever.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: '"some afternoon shifts" anywhere aren't going to produce any longterm career and thus lifetime comfort benefit for the child'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'More like it seems hardly worth the trouble. Either work a lot of don't work. Having them work a menial job for, the equivalent of 2 hours a work day seems hardly worth the trouble or taking away time they could study, keep in shape or do other stuff that makes them happy. Not if I can afford to give them the money instead.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'longterm career? no. gets them in the habit of working for what you get and working for someone who isn't mom.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yeah Majic, there is a chance that a robbery at the pizza turns the child  worker into a crime statistic'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... is that a serious argument?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oh no, it's xyliz, nevermind'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Also, keep in mind that 100 bucks gets you less in Sweden than in the U.S., which is why I said my Converse cost the equivalent of 50-60 USD. For example, 1 litre (0.264 gallons) of milk costs approximately $1.8. 1 loaf of bread (large) costs approximately $3-4.).'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inspired Colin Wilson to write a few sicko books'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yuna, that also makes more sense :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I can't remember the last time I paid only $60 for shoes'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What kind of shoes do you use?!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Heck, in Sweden, we have a shoe chain whose big thing is "Buy 3, get 2 of them for free!". And they average (actual price) $30-40.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'let me see if I can find them online for you'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah, I buy shoes at the discount outlets'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And this is Sweden we're talking about. 25% of that is taxes (the store pays) alone.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'One word, two syllables... Payless. For when you don't feel like paying an extra $100 just so your shoes have a different word on them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'funny cuth, that's where i went :D'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Those Converse, by the way, were my very first pair of shoes of a "big brand". Not counting knock-offs bought in Vietnam when I didn't even know Fred Perry was a thing. They just looked nice.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I do all the time. My sneakers aren't Converse, they're Airwalk, but I mean... they're $40, I'll survive.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They look exactly the same, and last me long enough to justify that money.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I buy a new pair of shoes approximately once a year, not counting possible seasonal shoes (sandals for the summer, boots for the winter, sneakers for the other two seasons and the in-betweens). I average 2 pairs a year. And I spend less than 100 bucks a year.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh. i think my average cost for shoes is about $25/year (not counting this year because I was job hunting and actually bought nicer shoes)'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Saw what must've been the most ridiculously priced pair of slippers a month ago when I was helping a friend shoe-shopping (he makes a lot of money, so we were checking the expensive stores as well). A mid-expensive store had shoes averaging $200-300. And they were selling a pair of slippers which looked nothing out of the ordinary for $220. WHAT?!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'the price of a label :('
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It wasn't even a famous label/brand!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(as far as I know)'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it's kind of hard to find my shoes online. apparently they don't make the model anymore, but this is the newer model http://www.zappos.com/vivobarefoot-aqua-lite'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I wish that off-brand shoes really did just slightly alter their names to appear like, but not infringe on, the names of the shoes they're copying. I want to say "Nike? No way man, this is a Nerkie."'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You pay in excess of $60 for THAT?!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'reminds me of the guy in some dave barry (i think?) book who got in trouble for selling Rolox watches and Clorex detergent.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Like store-brand cereals like "Frooty-Loops" or "Toasty O's"'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'actually mine look like this http://tinyurl.com/d23edqk'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Someone should trademark Victoria shoes. (Victoria is the Roman equivalent of Nike)'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sorry man, I make it a policy never to open tinyurls from people who refer to themselves as "The Jerk"'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'that's your problem not mine'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's loading forever for me.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I wouldn't call it a problem so much as an observation.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Though... the curiosity does gnaw.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And it required a rload.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I also have a pair of vibrams'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'you can sneak peak the tinyurls :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Dafuq? The link is not working for me.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'maybe you typed it wrong'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Now it's working. Still, $60+ for THAT?!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'For, what, suede sneakers?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'not exactly'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'BING* AVAST HAS DETECTED A TROJAN.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'a trojan on amazon, huh'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'good luck with your avast'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I wouldn't know man, I didn't open the link.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'DAfuq?! 115 bucks?!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Remember? We went over this, gosh.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Just noticed the price on the 1st pair you linked me to.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That is some insane pricing, IMO. I think I'll go into shoes. Create my Victoria brand shoes with a big O-mark.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Yuna: I suppose it's a matter of perspective.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And sell shoes that are knock-offs (in design) of Nike, only at 75% the price.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I believe that 115 bucks for what amounts to a pair of suede (thin suede) sneakers is just prestige pricing.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I don't begrudge people who buy expensive shoes, I blow my money on all kinds of stupid shit... shoes just isn't one of them. Now people who shop at Guess? What's up with that?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Yuna: it's more a matter of them not being available at a lesser price'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'there is a difference in some shoes though. i would easily pay 120 for a nice pair of doc's'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Shopping there is just like saying, "Fuck it. I don't feel like making rent this month"'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'and I'm not about to start making my own shoes'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What I meant was that there are surely some shoes that are of the equivalent look and comfort that cost much less.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I usually pay $200 for a pair of shoes. Good shoes for weird feet cost a lot.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Prestige pricing means you artifically bloat the price of an item because you know people will buy it anyway. Anything past $60-70 is basically just prestige pricing when it comes to shoes, IMO.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'If you have weird feet, then that's a whole other ball of wax.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it's pricing because the product is rather unique in the market of shoes'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah, whatever. I'll just wear my $70 bucks Converse, $25 bucks boots and $6 bucks (bought in Vietnam) sandals (Winter / Spring-summer / Fall).'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'but you won't be able to understand how different a shoe with a 2-3mm sole is unless you wear one'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'And spent the extra $14 on eating out.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Why would I want a 2-3 mm sole? Isn't that just asking for it to rip?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'because it's great. and no.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I spend way more than that on eating out anyway'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'depending on material it wont'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what show has a 2-3 mm sole'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Pretty sure there's no such thing as a 2-3 MILLImeter sole that does not rip from simple wear and tear after, like, 2 days.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless that sole is made of diamond or something.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Yuna: you're wrong'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'kevlar and some other polymers ...'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'also diamond is very brittle'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'would be pretty durable'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, the Vivabarefoot shoes' soles allow for infinitely more sensory feedback. And we'd need this from our shoes why?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'brittle?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'because we don't hate our feet'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Elchanan: http://www.zappos.com/vivobarefoot-aqua-lite    outsole thickness 3mm, weight 9oz'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'to feel like you arent wearing them'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, a lot of my friends who wear them really love the barefoot shoes'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i know the shoes'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'That sole looks a lot thicker than 2-3 mms.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would enjoy them, I go barefoot every chance I get, I just can't spend money like that right now.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Unless the white part isn't actually all-sole on the inside.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'there's a removable insole'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'which I remove'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Personally, I DON'T want infinitely more sensory output from my shoes. Because sometimes I walk on unsmooth surfaces.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'so do I. it's great.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Well, whatever. Wear your $115 magic shoes. I just don't feel like spending that much on shoes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'never really worn them but dont know why i would'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I got a pair for my girlfriend as well.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'she loves them'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather walk on sand all day.....at the US or British Virgin Islands.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'chucks basically feel barefoot already, i put insoles in mine X)'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'maybe for aqua sports'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'straeldryn: no'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its not the shoes but the socks that are expensive, especially the good ones'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Jerk Fiendish sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'good toe socks here cost me like 20 bucks a pair'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'i can feel every little rock or piece of debris right through chucks without the insoles'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka nods at The River Styx.
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i have dc's, fallens, ipaths, lakai '
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Straeldryn: I had a pair when I was a kid. No you can't.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'can step on a dime and feel it'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'i definitely can, those are the shoes i've worn for years'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it's just not the same'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'i'm not saying they're like the five fingers or whatever, just too thin for my taste already'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'that's unfortunate taste'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'By the way, show of hands, who here has NEVER spent more than 40 bucks on a shirt (not t-shirt)?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(Dress shirt/collared shirt)'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Ive spent way more'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: '200 bucks for my nicest shirt'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I haven't. Well, in actual USD, I guess it'd be 55. But I'm "converting" the prices due to it being Sweden and taxes. 200 bucks?!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'all my dress shirts are like 60 ish and those are realatively inexpensive'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Holy Svengali, I automatically put a shirt down if it's even 100 bucks.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Don't you guys have Dressman?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'have what?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'It's a men's clothing store chain. Maybe it's Sweden-only. Let me research it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'never heard of it'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, it's a Nordic Countries only chain.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'one of my coworkers is from sweden. I'll ask him when he gets back from france in a few weeks'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'if I remember'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'just tip a poor single mom-waitress $100, good karma'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'They have their own brand of shirts and pants and whatnot (Dressman) and they sell silk shirts for $60, at the MOST expensive range.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'your clothes look stupid anyway'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I'm sure we have something similar somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I find them comfortable and nice-looking. I mean, it's a just a silk shirt. Straight, possibly slim-fitting. I wear most of my shirts under a vest or blazer, anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ouh, spoke too soon. Apparently they have some fancy schmancy shirts for 75 bucks!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I had a few silk shirts once. They're not very comfortable.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I only have the one silk shirt. Just used them as an example because they're generally more expensive than non-silk ones, at least in Sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'fiendish is prob Vanilla Ice'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'depends on the silk'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it really doesn't depend on the silk. it depends more on the cut of the garment, and whether you're a man or a woman'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'those silk hawaiian type shrts are amazing especially whne its like 90 deg out'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I don't think you actually mean silk'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Is there different types of silk?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'also nobody should ever wear "hawaiian type" shirts. fashion nightmare.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '(I meant besides you mixed-fabric types of fabrics). Isn't it just "Silk. Just silk"?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'no. '
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I'm not even sure what you just said.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'there are different types of silk too'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'meh its its 90 deg and your in the tropics'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'on a beach'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or if your in hawaii'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I've been in hawaii. It's still not a good look.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in that case its not bound to be above 80'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so have I and youll fit right in with those shitrs'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I did not know there were different types of silk. I thought you just mixed it with different fibres and what not to get different thicknesses and textures and whatnot.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Not that there are actual different types of silk.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Ace Ventura just isn't an attractive look.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://info.fabrics.net/fabric-facts/glossary-of-silk-fabric-and-weaves/'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea different weaves'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Those are different weaves. I knew THAT.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they will all feel different'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently you can get silk from different types of silk worm, which I assume means the silk will feel different no matter how you mix them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea that too'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'probably not that different'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'THAT's what I meant with different types of silk. Not just weaving them differently.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'weave makes large differences, though'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'alot is how the raw silk is processed too'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'as it turns out, though, clothing is made from silk fabric and not strands of silk from a spider's ass'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'so the qualitative differences of the composition are important'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I like silk shirts, though. The non-silk ones (it's late and I've forgotten what the most common fabric type, I believe it's artifical?) usually chafe my nipples.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'cotton?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'No, not cotton. I believe those are fine. I think I'm thinking of polyester.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Aren't polyester shirts the kind that most often chafe?'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk, Yuna said nipples'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i like polyester clothes'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Apparently, cotton chafes, synthetic fabrics do not (generally).'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'So I hate cotton shirts then.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Jerk Fiendish smirks.
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Leisure-Suit Larry recommends polyester clothes'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka groans loudly.
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'leisure suit larry, i played that, how old are we?:p'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I played that at age 12. I'm 27.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i got all my hair, unlike Leisure-Suit Larry'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i played that at 12 too i'm not 35'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'now'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the bald-spot hair-loss indicates that Leisure-Suit Larry was a fraud'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The Hell. "King of the Nerds". I think I might have to check that out.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are horny and don't get any, often go bald'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I love how baldness is linked to the specific type of testosterone that causes body hair. If you have a lot of body hair, chances are you'll go bald. If you don't chances are you won't. I don't like body hair, I'm practically hairless besides on my head and in certain places (I'm talking pubic region and legs) and I'll get to keep all of my hair (especially since my dad and my mom's granddads all got to keep theirs). Yay!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'my bro gets laid way more than me, and he's much more bald'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'your dad's hair is unrelated'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Wikipedia seems to disagree with you.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and there at least 8 Leisure-suit Larry adventures -- i played only one LLS adventure (the 7th) purchased from a discount bin, and refused to play any others, since i dislike horrid-looking bald-spot frauds'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea that bro i'm talkin about is hairy as shit, body-wise'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Straeldryn: 'fair enough, i stand corrected'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There are different types of baldness, though. Some are caused by some things, others by other things. The genetic lottery has given me slim chances of baldness.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if somebody is going to be a sex-stud, keeping all the hair is important for credibility and eyecandy effect  '
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the LLS authors lost sales by balding Larry'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'altho i thought there were some girls that dig the baldies'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those girls are going for the male rejects that can't get any (as indicaed by the baldness) -- which does not say much for those lowered-standard (likely also defective) girls '
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'might as well shave your head if you mostly bald anyways'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'or they could just have a weirdass fetish'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Like the dudes who want to be sat on by fat women.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'na bald with ponytail rocks!'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that overweight actor with a pony-tail is disgusting - stars in mediocre martial arts movies'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You mean Stephen Segal? "Mediocre" is being too kind.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Krache giggles.
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Some people love him though'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what about chuck norris '
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yep, overweight flabby Stephen Segal - an eyesore'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Those people are nuts.'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Dont get started on the Chuck Norris debate...'
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan kicks Krache in the head.
T3/r7/2013-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Chia Pet Wars tickles Chuck Norris.
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in honor of valenties day lets have a debate '
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'question: what is the most effective style of fighting'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'between lovers?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i was thinking more along the lines of hand to hand combat but sure'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'skynet'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I dont nessasarily think there is a best style.... i like wing chun but its obvious from mma that using just one style alone will not have the best results'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wing chun is actually a boxing style so it is less specialized.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as opposedt to shaolin'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, Obama does look like being a bit of a liar when a third state now looks to introduce his minion's gun ban including confiscation'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Missouri's thinking about creating a new state holiday on Nov 21 called Stan Musial Day.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Missouri seems to have been infiltrated by idiots'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who'd get the nomination for president elect out of Rahm Emanuel and Hilary Clinton?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you kidding me?  With all the success the Chicago machine's had for the last 8 years, Rahm's a total shoe-in.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'natural successor to barack, keep it in the mafia family'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so we extend it a bit, then. The US is a nation of idiots.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shoo-in :D'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not due to infiltration, you understand :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i don't know the makeup of Missouri's governance, is the ban likely to pass?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what ban?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I was talking about the choice of candidates.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun ban'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't think Missouri's talking gun ban.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banning semi-autos, pump actions, and clip sizes above 7. enforced hand in i.e confiscation'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a lot of stupid bills get put forward'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been passed in NYC and california'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no matter how stupid'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'neither state is on anyone's favorites lists anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'having the highest tax rates in the nation doesn't help them any, either.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence the question, i thought missouri had more sense'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess the only thing they can do is try and get such laws nullified'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'We voted to raise our own sales tax go Cali'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you know why, right?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'largely the same reason Obama got in nationally'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor people vote for tax rises'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'eh, I wish I wasn't too lazy to look that one up, if true probably some really interesting papers on that.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's true'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, we're not going to pass any law that bans >7-round mags.  Such a move effectively bans ALL guns, period.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I was talking more along the lines of peer reviewed papers.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"we"?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Missouri.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, you're missourian then?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as Vosh would say... goooooood'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'outside of the metro areas of Kansas City and St. Louis, the entire state is republican.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more importantly, are they patriot?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't really care which globalist front they voted for'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but we're kinda "weird" republican, since we tend to vote blue for local/state office.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well since the republicans stopped being republican a long time ago, i guess i can understand that'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the show me state?  Trench coats are big sellers in missouri.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, we've been doing this since at least WW2 if not way before.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socially liberal, fiscally conservative, or socially conservative, fiscally liberal?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither party supports ending foreign wars and small government, support of the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therein lies the problem'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we'll vote for all sorts of taxes, but you can't have them unless you cut spending somewhere else.  We make sure to balance our budget, and damn the consequences.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Clinton balanced the budget and left a surplus at the Treasury. Bush used  it to finance his wars.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am betting another Clinton would do the same thing.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'too bad the word "Clinton" means "slut" in American now.  Nobody's going to trust a Clinton anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, the rather trust a bush.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debate clinton was what, 92 - 2000?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'technically 93 to 2001'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he only ran a surplus in 2 of those years'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and set the ball rolling on the mortgage calamity'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if not for his foreign wars and police state rollout, Bush 2 would have been in much the same place, economically'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, boy, that was really crappy. Only 2 years of a surplus. We who are used to constant surplus.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's the point, Tigernuts. He wanted those wars, they were not imposed on him.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't know that'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no country attacked the US.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, should have been impeached on the spot'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only nation attacking countries was the US'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, "because Bush started it" is not justification for Obama solidifying, normalising the practice, and making it worse'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, Bush gets forgiven, or at least, looked upon with a benevolent eye.  Obama, who had to deal with the crap he left behind is the villain.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't look upon anyone with a benevolent eye'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it is possible to consider both villains :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but your memory gets foggy'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both are villains, indeed'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but one of them currently has power'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you cannot claim Obama is trying to clear up crap when he clearly is doing the opposite'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'All those budgets were pretty red if you use GAAP and not funny gov't cash flow joke accounting.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we will not recover from the Bush damage for another 16 to 20 years, so you are going to have to blame a lot of presidents.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not interested in budget deficits, i'm talking about damage done to the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Personally I blame Lincoln.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm talking NDAA, CISPA, TSA, Foreign wars'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the TSA rules.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Federal overeach over the states'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only president you should be blaming is FDR.  He, in fact, started it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so start at the beginning (or the modern beginning), Reagan.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the biggest problem is NAFTA'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to hold people to account for their actions, i do so based on their promises'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'FDR's damage could have been corrected. Reagan started an era of destruction.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama promised to close gitmo. He didn't'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama promised an end to foreign wars. He didn't'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama promised he wouldn't take the guns, he is'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Gitmo is an abomination, but any president who closes Gitmo will be destroyed. The people actually believes the bogy man exists. '
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he swore an oath to uphold the constitution, he's breaching it every time he opens his mouth, almost'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so no, i won't give him a benevolent eye, any more than i give David Cameron a benevolent eye'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'again, every president (any one who works for the government) takes that oath.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and neither should anyone else, you should hold their feet to the fire. It's by not doing so that they get away with this shit'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they don't get away from anything. The people vote for them. You reap what you sow.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're to blame!'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'after 200 years of being lied to, the people still acts as if they believe the promises. So it is on their head.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go get america back, please, i want somewhere with liberty and space to emigrate to'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take it away from those spacktards like you'd take away something from a child that they're not supposed to be playing with'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you ought to wake up'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't the fact that i'm constantly upset about this suggest that I -am- awake?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're British, so no not really.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typical British people are whinging about horsemeat mislabeled as beef'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The US always rails  against the oppressive governments elsewhere.  One can readily admit that the US is not as repressive as some countries. But that is the only actual different between the governments.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do i look like i give a monkeys?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it doesn't Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US always rails against countries that is seeking to undermine for geopolitical gain'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really? What are the other differences? Oh, let's ignore the "we will take what we want from anyone who has it" policy. Aside from that.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it regularly -sides- with oppressive governments'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it always amuses me to see unamericans get so worked up over something that barely ever affects them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it affects everyone, Hans'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wooo, another 10 years, and PAN AM will be back!  4 major airlines now!'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I always wanted a PanAm bag :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pan am rules'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the shit you guys are planning, we often get used as labrats. Every time you guys decide you want to invade a random country, we get dragged in. When you guys fuck up the world economy, our economy suffers'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bring back the sexy flight attendants who make lots of money.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the PanAm uniforms were cool :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it doesn't affect everyone, Tiger.  Nobody here really cares that Hong Kong's poor are renting out kennel cages to live in.  They'll put on a show about how awful it is, but they don't really care.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pan am had a monopoly, but it was also profitable, and the experience of flying was enjoyable.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, just make sure you keep your screwups to yourself this time'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my country is already hurtling down the side of the abyss, we don't need someone pushing, or landing from above'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'airlines had a monopoly until Reagan. They were regulated. Granted that made ticket prices a bit higher than they should be, but from what I see passengers were better off then.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ticket prices are still to high considering you get nothing now. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly I would rather get to where I'm going at a rate I can afford than pay a bit more for luxury'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$5 small cups of alcohol that used to be in the ticket price, or pillows, larger seats, more comfortable seats.....experienced pilots, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is fine, we can have a STEERAGE class in the back for people who want to stand up without a chair.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and more safety (with the exception of American)'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sounds fine to me.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you forget, Majic, that since all airlines charged the same for a flight from point A to point B, tickets were good on any airline.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no need to book 2 years in advance for a seat on the edge of a wing.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have never needed to do that. I've gotten reasonable seats.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you wanted to save money, you simply flew red-eye'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Rizgoth is rich and, like, owns land and stuff.  He has to fly to more places than the rest of us.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you say "reasonable", makes me think that you didn't fly under the old system.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the old system wouldn't charge you for carrying your luggage.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And if I don't have luggage I can save money on the new system by not checking any at all.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you  consider yourself the typical flier.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No? People fly for lots of different reasons.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'typical flyers carry luggage.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm just saying that personally I prefer to save money, rather than pay for amenities that I don't use.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I prefer to not be nickel and dimed when I travel.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we are not talking about amenities here. By charging a fixed price the airlines were prohibited from taking passengers for a "ride".'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd prefer to be nickel and dimed than dollar and five dollared.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'personally, I feel threatened by an airline who sell cheap seats. They have to make profit somewhere. The most expensive part of an airline's operation (other than fuel, currently) is in the hangar.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I would think the unions would be more problematic than parts.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in time, the airlines will charge by the lb, including baggage....'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, they usually make up their money selling grotesquely overpriced food and whatnot from what I can see'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the old system gave you free food. Granted, I wouldn't give airline food to prisoners on death row. But deregulation hasn't improved the menu or the cooks.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right. I bring my own food in my purse. I bring an empty water bottle through security and fill it afterwards. I'm happy to not pay for terrible food.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not just free food, you also received free drinks, snacks, blankets, ear phones, etc'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are not going to allow you to bring your own food on the plane.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'yes they do'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'still do last time I flew.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I do it all the time'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, I said they are not going to, not that they dont.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I flew on the most penny-pinching of the budget airlines because I really don't have the money to piss away.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in time, they wont let you, like movie theatres'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'movie theaters still let you bring in your own as well.  Admittedly, even if they have a problematic policy you can still sneak it in quite easily..'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'their reasoning will be, if they stop allowing you to bring stuff on the plane, you will be less likely to use the plane bathroom which costs money.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of the ones I've been to haven't, hans'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but now that American and US Air are merging, expect prices to start creeping up again, like when United and Continental merged.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'your locals must be more scared of shooters than my locals are, Majic.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am afraid of AA :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except you wont be getting all nice luxuries like you used to....just higher prices.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'huh, hans!'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wtf does food have to do with shooters :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you actually get luxiries on flights now? I find your definition of "luxury" strange.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when shooters shoot, people wig out and install metal detectors and security checkpoints to rifle through your stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'oh, I'm not saying you can't smuggle food in, but they do have signs saying not to bring it in.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, like you USED to, ie before the airlines decided to penny pinch and stop including it in the ticket price.....ie back when they were actually making a profit.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Cui Bono?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most airlines have not made much in profits the last 15 years.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who has profitted from the "shooters"?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'TWA went profitless longer than that.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when they were regulated, the airlines could afford to not make a profit.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There only really needs to be 2 national airlines.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the first thing that happened after deregulation is that a lot of airlines went out of business.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, another AMTRAK :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'amtrak doesnt work because the govt controls it, but doesnt fund it like it should be.....like the postal service.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that was probably more of a parts thing, Ana.  Weren't the fleets all essentially about to drop out of the sky when deregulation took effect?'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of arcane rules that prevent it from being profitable.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, Hans. At least, it would not have been any worse than it is now. The consistency that regulation offered the passengers made up for the inconveniences to the airlines. Regulation made them de facto government agencies.'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'after running around the building with the general contractor and the on-duty manager, there's an outside door to a "meter room" that nobody has keys for...and nobody's got any contact info for property managers'
T3/r7/2013-02-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, dunno why I went here, but mis'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK consumers and retailers continue to act like retards by throwing away perfectly good food just because it might contain horse meat'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'IN the UK, Tory MPs warn that gay couples aren't suitable parents'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about donkeys ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'holy donkey!  I bet that was cool to see....A meteor 15 meters across flared through the skies over Russia's Chelyabinsk region early Friday, triggering an atomic bomb-sized shock wave that injured nearly a thousand people, blew out windows and caused some Russians to fear the end of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'RT claims it was 6ft'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Russians were heard yelling, The Americans are attacking us!'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The CTBTO, which tracks nuclear disturbances in the Earths atmosphere, reported that 11 of its 45 infrasound monitoring stations recorded low-frequency sound waves as the meteorite broke up over the Ural mountains a little before 9:30 a.m. local time on Friday.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree with UK government passing laws to legalise gay marriage'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about legalizing meteorites hitting london ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those were always legal'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'say yes to gun ownership!'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'AR 15 = American way of life'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucknuts like Wayne L'Pierre don't help though'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ar 15's are for wimps.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nancy Pelosi is opposing cut in congressional pay. Typical bloody elitist'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is the only income she has, cause business wont donate to her. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russian lawmakers are claiming it wasn't a meteorite but an American weapons test that injured 1200 people today'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Maybe it was an american meteor'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '-ite'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an asteroid is going to cause a world nuclear war.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a terribly reliable source, apparently'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know USA establishment has gone nuts over the last 12 years or so, but I have a hard trouble believing they'd be quite so daft'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, "A gun is not a defensive weapon"'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that's true, why do cops carry them?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to kill with them, what else?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently it would be constitutional to ban cars'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'SARS like virus on rampage in the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3 people infected is a rampage?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'According to your newspapers it is.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'daily mail by chance?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it attacks arabs'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Tigernuts, I am sure you are being simple by design. While cars can kill, and sometimes it used just to do so, that is not why they are built.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that got to do with the price of fish?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, fish and chips.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that's true, why do cops carry them?''
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, well there you go, the cars comment was in reference to an article i was reading about home schooling'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'cops are defenders...'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but since you're at it, the cop was talking shit, and quite obviously so'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'have you not heard of th term protect and serve'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'defence and offense are relative terms.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sometimes i wonder why people have such difficulty with the "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, I don't know. Because those who are not infringed have a tendency to put bullets in people.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not even remotely true'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have never had a chance to shoot someone.....:('
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but since you have an issue with it, campaign to have it modified'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course is not true. People are shot by sentient guns.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know, using the correct process through law'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'due process and allt hat'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'evil doers deserve to be whacked when they are trying to hurt people.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, I am sure those who violate the law by killing with a gun will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. I am sure the shades of the dead will be happy to know that.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is killing with a gun so much more evil than killing by any other means?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, I don't know. It's hard to kill with a knife from 50-75 meters away.  Though I am sure it is possible. '
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What if an evil doer commands a bus and decides to run it into a crowd of people...but one good doer in the crowd has a gun and notices the bus coming....he whips it out and shoots into the bus killing the driver, and the bus crashes into a ditch instead?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crossbow? car? poison, drone, prescription drugs'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I admit that assault weapons are not very accurate, but given the rate of fire, they don't have to be.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illegal drugs, something heavy thrown'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, assault weapons are very accurate, it is the shooter that isnt accurate.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I won't say that I would have a good chance against a crowbar, but I would have a chance.  I would have no chance at all against a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you h ave a problem is the fact that there is poverty and inequality in your country, and that makes you fearful'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'great non sequitor'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in truth, when we banned the guns here, violent crime went u'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eup'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'up fuckit'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'murders went up'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun crime went up'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in australia when they banned the guns, violent crime went up, gun crime went up, murders went up'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gun ban is not the solution, gun eradication is.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and quite why, why the fuck would you ban assault weapons when less than 4% of gun deaths involved them?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and don't be naive enough to believe that the biggest pusher for 2USAmend is not the gun industry.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then go live in japan'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'great answer'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how much $ does the ammo industry pull in every year in the US'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, banning drugs sure does work well.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's what people like you tell me when i say i don't like living in a country with no space'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'banning alcohol sure did work well.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'banning the use is crap, we all know that. Banning production is the key.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cartels in mexico make billions from illegal drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Japan has major cultural differences compared to the US tho'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they would prefer you be stupid enough to keep them illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan has a better safety net then the US does.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'forget about that Enchanan. The "go somewhere else" is the position taken by those who admit that there is a problem and are happy to live with it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people are less afraid.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is the war on drugs, the war on the southern border, and the corruption and poverty in your big cities'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan also has tougher immigration laws compared to the US.....the US is the weakest western country when it comes to it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you wouldn't have a problem if drugs, or guns weren't produced. In reality, the problem lies with the fact that those tasked with making sure that problem doesn't exist, profit too much from the problem.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, it is.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Profit is good'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guns and drugs will always be produced, they may evolve, but they will never go away.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like saying there wouldn't be a problem with global warming if co2 didn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you open yourself up to conquest if you get rid of protection.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why will they always be produced? Is it a natural law?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it is'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in japan people are mort "willing" to cooperate with govt'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, I can see your point, Rizgoth. Imagine a world without guns, how would we protect ourselves?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is called survival, the purest natural law that exists.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people will always want their escape, their medication, their amusement, or their crutch'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who are you to tell them they can't have it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about if i banned the type of music you liked?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'obviously you don't understand survival as well as you think.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banned the food you liked'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and with thiier gun laws they have no way to fight back it things went really bad'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Lets see......back before guns, people used swords to kill eachother, and before that?  Clubs ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guns are a natural progression of technology,  People will always kill eachother for stupid reasons.  You wont stop it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like your arguments, Tigernuts. What you say makes sense, banning means of killings is just the start of banning everything you like. If you like  killing you should be able to enjoy doing it without others trying to stop you.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a means of killing'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think we allready know swords, spears, and bows, cannot keep a modern military is check'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a means of protection'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol ban emotions like whatever that movie  was'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course it is a means of protection. The US  hypocritically wants Iran and N. Korea banned from using nuclear weapons. They don't like the idea of other being able to do to them what they can do to others.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some people simply enjoy poping holes in paper targets'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, anaristos, that's called hypocrisy'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'So use bb guns, Elchanan. They put holes in paper targets.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they want the bang to feel the kicks and to have options on distance'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok,  Elchanan. Are they then content with having their toys locked away until they are in a location where they can only harm paper targets?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some people would be...'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, not only do they want the kick and the bang, but the theoretical possibility of using targets other than paper.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like i bet there are people in cali who have .50 bmg & "assault" rifles stored out of state'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Back in the 80s, where I grew up.....people usually kept a rifle or two in a rifle rack on the back window of their truck.....If you do it now, it ends up stolen and used hurt someone.....Some parts of humanity have de-evoled.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Rizgoth person again...
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts points excitedly at SnailBot Anaristos!
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'again, the solution is not banning but removal of production. But I guess that point is too subtle.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't you got anything better planned with your life other than shitting on someone else's parade?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ive seen shotguns in truck windows here in florida'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And when I smuggle in thousands of weapons to sell to the criminals who just robbed your ass.....what then ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'one of the plans in my life is not getting a hole put through me by one with a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then don't'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they "oops, my bad" won't mean much to me.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'get a bullet proof vest'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wont protect you against cop killer, or black rhino bullets.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'obviously you haven't heard of Teflon(TM) coated bullets.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and are those legal'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are illegal, but they are still smuggled in'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are manufactured, the point. Even if legal producers don't produce them, they produce the bullets. Without bullet  production there would be no means to coat bullets with Teflon.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea well lawenforcement uses those rounds'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what are you going to do when your home gets invaded?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'grab the 12 gauge! '
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't, he's banned them all'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can manufacture my own bullets, I dont need to buy them from anyone.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I also know people who can make guns.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can 3d print many gun parts now'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'your rounds probably wont be as good as the production bullets now'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but yea lead is easy to pour'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if my home gets invaded by sufficient force there is very little I can do. But there is a chance I may survive against a force not using a manufactured gun. There will be no chance against a force using a manufactored gun. Your argument is spacious, anyway. You think that having a gun protects you against invasion, without accepting the fact that without guns home invasions are less likely.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rifk'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What will happen is.....cartels will start producing guns and ammo to sell in the countries where they are banned....it would surprise me if it wasnt happenin right now in the UK, or other countries.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after gun bans in australia, home invasions rocketed'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto UK'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, if you had a multi shot shotgun, you could easily protecr yourself in your house.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, all you need for arms manufacture is a magic wand.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm if your worried about getting you home invaded you sould have a safe room in your house with a nice steel door'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ban homes, elchana, and the ability to build them'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and of course, home invaders, being preternaturally stupid won't bring their own multi-shot shotguns, AK-47, or uzzies.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, ban cars also...they use gasoline which can be used to make bombs.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's the best thing you can do, anaristos, go live in a state or country that bans guns'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop telling everyone else what they can or can't lawfully do'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you won't get an argument  about that from me.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'isn't cars good then? They use up gas that would be used for bombs otherwise :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'move to Chicago...you have a higher chance of being murdered there than here.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, right, the law, the magic wand that by its very existence protect us. Because I know, as well as you, that any one who shoots and kills me is going to jail. I can rest in peace.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most murders go unsolved.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know that.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you actually cared about gun violence, you'd be calling for an end to the war on drugs, you'd call for something to do about poverty and inequity, you'd be calling for something to be done about ghettos, you'd be calling for an end to the mass prescription of SSRId's and instead a massive increase to mental health treatment'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instead you're waving around an idea that somehow you can instantly get rid of all guns -ON THE WHOLE PLANET- and all possibility of anyone ever being able to produce one'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying that if I am poor and abused I should go on a killing spree.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drug related violence is the cause of most gun deaths.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'listen to Rizgoth, Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'moving to a safe room while shooting there is a good chance that the home invader will not be accurately shooting back'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you take your very high gun murder rate, take out the suicides, the justifiable homicides, the gang related gun deaths, the mexico border related gun deaths, you're left with very few, no more than european countries'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I've heard all the arguments and I've thought about them. You want to miss the obvious point. Someone out there is making a profit from the killings, intentional  and otherwise. You wave your idealism ( as displayed by your love for 2USAmend) and forget the reality of the collateral damage that it causes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people make money selling guns, people also make money making drones'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people make money pimping young girls'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you think that any  life loss by accident or by other means is worth your right to bear arms. Until you get shot.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not relevent'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which country are you in ana ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am on planet Earth'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mars'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all western countries deal in weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all western governments deal in weapons, paint the right bird.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Some more then others, but they all do it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'people selling guns are not doing so with the intention that a human is going to be illegally killed with that gun!'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's a great comfort to the killed, Enchanan.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'again, you think that the collateral damage is acceptable as long as you are not  part of the statistic.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'bad shit happens man'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'legalize marijuana......I bet 20% of drug related deaths go away.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if some one shoots my ass while im walking down the street so be it'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably more.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'collateral damage is a part of life, you can mitigate it, minimise it, but you could never remove it'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are such a hero for the rights of gun toters, Elchanan. You should apply for poster boy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you stamp it out in one area, you cause it in another'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea and i only have 1 :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've been suggesting entirely valid ways to greatly reduce gun deaths with actual things that need fixing'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just being a cunt and stomping down on the rights of everyone'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you really wanted to change gun laws.....why not get the rest of your tree huggers to join the NRA, take it over, and vote to put more restrictions on guns ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'move to california or NYC'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'breaking up gangs would go a long way'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all you need to cause a gun death is a few newtons of pressure on a trigger.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Chicago, they're banned there'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i lived in nyc for a bit... my first day there there was a shooting a few blocks away'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i live in the most violent country in Western Europe, Elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'probably 1 shooting a week or more in the area i lived... 81st precinct'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Banning guns is the wrong answer, not until we finally spend the money to find out why people murder others for $10.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can answer it though, and the feds know it well.....it is called FEAR.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i still don't understand why no-one won't point out that the last 4 mass shooters were all hopped up on SSRi's'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You are all afraid, and as long as you are....you will always ask to control things instead of getting rid of the fear.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I believe you, Rizgoth. Everyone should carry a weapon. We know how sensible we are so the idea that someone losing their temper and putting a hole in the source, would be basically unthinkable.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Why do people go crazy and shoot up a load of people?" "Because they have a gun". I mean, WTF, logic failure!'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should be asking "Why do people go crazy"'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'btw if you dont know 81 precinct was found to be corrupt not too long ago'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a lot of people are quite sensible.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and how does one lose the fear of being shot by someone with a gun, Rizgoth? I  think that you should publish the book and sell the movie rights.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but of course, if you stopped people going crazy, that still wouldn't affect 99.5% of gun deaths'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'manipulating crimes statistics and more'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but there are a few out there who are not, and they cause most of the problems.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"a lot" is not a sufficient number. All it takes one of those not counted in "a lot".'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I think Anaristos has been watching too much MSNBC and CNN'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'watch your insults, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'stay away from cops anaristos ... they dont care who they hit in the cross fire'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is true, Elchanan. That is also true of anyone holding a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too close to the truth, Anaristos? You're repeating all of their debased agenda-steering talking points'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know what CNN or MSNBC say. I don't need anyone doing my thinking for me.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You have a better chance of surviving an evil doer with a trained gun user around.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'bullshit law abiding citizens using their gun in self defence dont hit people often '
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I bed to differ, Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beg'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have an even better chance of surviving if there are no shots fired.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then move to bumnuck Kansas and don't leave your house'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh goodie :) The "go somewhere else" answer.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'where im at now i hear shots fired almost every day'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'has toned down a lil bit now that hunting season is over'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no hunting allowed on my land, except by me.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you don't care. I admire you, Elchanan. As I said, you should become a poster boy for  those who endorse the idea of being collateral damage. "We are willing to die accidentally so that others can exercise the right to bear arms". Great epitaph. '
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of Anaristos, every has to be defenceless and at risk of robbery, murder or worse'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but still just the other day my neighbor was out poping off a few shots with his (grandchildren mostlikely)... and look no holes in me'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, it's all the luck of the draw (please, pardon the pun). I am sure that it is comforting to know that the overwhelming majority of the times gun shooters won't kill you.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ooh! i know where there's a lovely warm country where guns are banned that Anaristos could go!'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unlike criminals, law abiding armed citizens do not just shoot people for no reason.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mexico!'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'do you have any idea why shooting guns off during the holidays is banned?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its not!'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the end of the day there is one person and one person ONLY responsible for YOUR safety, and that is YOU'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'because what goes up must come down'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'smart guns are around the corner though, but it will take dozens of years if not more to get rid of the dumb ones.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'correct, Styx.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is no law about fireing guns on holidays '
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know  of at least one incident where the "up down" resulted in a death, far way from the shooter.  I bet the shooter neve will know that he/she killed.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'perhapse about not firing up into the air'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'They are right tho, the same laws apply year round'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most cities ban the firing of guns into the air within city limits.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'my apologies for the imprecise question, Elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, you know what you need to do, you need a 2/3 majority of both houses to pass an ammendment to the constitution, which then needs ratifying in all states by a 2/3 majority'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea and at the camp i went to some one got hit by a 22 from the shooting range... because the dumb kid could not follow directions and shot at a bird which happened to be above the sand wall'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so "oops my bad"'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its true, stupidity and insanity kill people.  Guns don't.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thats what they say about car accidents'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'when people dont follow directions and tail gate '
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I don't know. Getting hit by a car is bad, I've had the experience. Yet, I am still alive.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or don't follow appropriate safety'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'no, we should ban cars because if you dont use them right, people die'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'was not a lethal injury fyi the 22'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Um'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'lots of people get shot, its bad, most of them live Ana'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, good, I bet the shot person was happy about that. I would say that had  it been otherwise he wouldn't have felt about it at all.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'just like most live in car accidents, but not always'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damnit! we need more lethal bullets! it's a travesty!'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'A note on amendments - you do NOT need the Congress to ratify amendments - though that is one possible way to propose them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i got hit by a car on my bike was quite and exhilarating experience'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Reread your Article V, please :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one or t'other, jhav, needs ratifying by all the states'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'believe it's just the senate, no?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Right, they need to be ratified by the states - but they can call a convention to propose amendments without action from Congress.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you see, there's this thing called due process'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what prevents crackpots from taking over and shitting up your country'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'very comforting to the victims.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Bush got elected'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and when you start letting slip with your due process, shit starts happening'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government must be kept on a very tight leash, your founding fathers said'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and he created Gitmo, the biggest travesty of due process since due process was invented.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we all know what your most recent presidents are guilty of'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then again i was not there when that camp incident happened and it might have been the instructors way of saying dont you dare lift your barrel above the sand wall'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gitmo existed before bush.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gitmo has been there since the 40s.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and let's not forget the RICO act. Maybe you can explain to me where due process enter there.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't need to tell me about all the lacks of due process, anaristos, i'm totally against all of those things'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're actually more important than banning assault weapons, FAR more important'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'talking about fully auto tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Gitmo refers to something specific, Rizgoth. Not to the base which has been there since the US and Cuba signed a treaty in the early 1900's. Where Cuba leases the land to the US.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, elchanan, feinstein semi-auto ban everything bills'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They can move Gitmo to some of my land in Alaska if they want.....will even sign a 100 year lease.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nice to know how you feel  about due process.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think the whole point of gitmo is that it wasn't American soil, so they could get away with stuff there that would have been illegal if it were on american soil, riz'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'great technicality, Tigernuts. Who cares about the intent, as long as you do it elsewhere. But that, by your account, also apply to Guam, the US Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico or any other possession.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'I think he was just stating fact Ana not supporting it.  Quit trying to lash out at everything that moves'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those are US soil.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'it makes you look desperate.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you don't think that the Guantanamo base is not US territory, you try walking in.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'legally it isnt US soil'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so Cuba is free to do with it what it wants.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not justifying it, anaristos, that's how your GOVERMENT justifies it'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I dont see anyone moving the base off cuba.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'after all, it is, technically, Cuban soil.''
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, as long as they meet the payments, Cuba won't evict them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'sure they could force us out, to the detriment of themselves tho'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like Cuba could'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should lease all of Cuba....turn it into a resort island, like it used to be.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'btw assult rifle vs sniper rifle sniper rifle wins'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'only if you quickscope ;x'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'They couldn't think of a big enough lie to invade Cuba,  Tigernuts. They have stripped everything from the island with their embargo. The US could not renege on the lease and keep their altar boy image to the world at the same time.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Id say cuba /probably/ deserved what they got.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what do you mean quickscope'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and we know to what extent the US goes to blame the other guy from getting invaded. But Cuba doesn't even pose a threat to itself.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its a videogame term, nevermind.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'going to bed now. I understand you want to eradicate gun homicide, it's a noble cause, but i think your view is a totally naive and impractical one, and to be honest, you guys have got far bigger problems on your hand that public ownership of AR15's'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trust me, outside of the USA, USA does NOT have a alter boy image'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know my view is impractical. People love killing to much to give up an easy means  to accomplish it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no people love freedom'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bully, devil, hypocrites maybe'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its actually pretty hard to kill someone with a bullet, depending on the caliber'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know the the "Ugly American" is not a myth :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '.300 win mag ... and a well placed shot'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a .22 in the back of the skull seems pretty effective to me.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'its gonna take quite a few shots from a 9mm pistol to put me down, or someone who is a superior marksman'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was land of the free, home of the brave that the world loved, not land of the pistol-whipped nanny surveillance homogenized federal superstate'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying your are willing to be shot as long as you survive the incident. Of course, you will never know that you  didn't survive it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea people have been hit many times with a 9mm and they keep on kicking'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe I should get shot.  I'll look for a shop on the web.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love manual lawnmowers....but my radio controlled one is cool also.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i cant decide 204 ruger of .300 win mag'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get one of those cool belgium p90s with the 50 shot clip.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'personal defense weapon ftw.'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'dont really need high cap mag'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'was not thinking personal d'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'should really just get a .22 cuz they are cheap as hell to fire'
T3/r7/2013-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, actually, it only comes with the 50 shot clip.....it was built for the 50 shot horizontal clip :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Gore invented the stool tax'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, manbearpig on Ellen show'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'social studies teacher gets reprimanded after restricting allowed media sources in student papers in a politically biased manner'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then, we all knew that public schools tended to be indoctrination hubs, CSCOPE was pretty obvious example of this'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Thailand is now making the warnings on the cigarette packs bigger, as if the smokers hadn't noticed yet.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, because people don't know cigarettes aren't bad for you you know'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, a lot of them think it's not, but they are lost causes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mean, really does anyone not know that cigarettes are bad for your lungs?'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they don't, chances are they can't read'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They probably know that, but that's just the tip of the iceberg.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for warnings on packets, and all for duty tax on them to cover the cost to health service they impart (here in the UK) but they've gone way over the top now, the duty on fags here is more than double the cost to the health service, so they're essentially just soaking poor people for money'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, just make the stuff illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be preferable, though ideally just reduce the tax level to match the cost'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or use the extra funding to fund kick-the-habit kits, e-cigs and stuff'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hard to calculate the cost, since smoking increases the risk of pretty much every disease.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard, but not impossible'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think it would be way higher than the current tax, though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put it this way, the tax money is more than double the actual cost now, bearing in mind that smoking has falled, what, 75%? in the last 30 years, and given that the health costs are offset 10-40yrs'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let me put my stance quite clearly. If people make an informed choice to continue smoking, then provided they're paying the cost of their treatment, and are not materially harming others, then I believe extremely strongly that government have no right to interfere'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also need to cover the costs to clean up after smokers on the streets :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe exactly the same thing about any drugs'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since the public smoking ban, that's a non-issue here'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm old enough to remember how it was before, too'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I agree, as long as the drug use is done on your own property. Public drug use should be illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subject to licensing laws, Ranrr, pubs/clubs/bars for alcohol, specific cafe's for pot'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden, we still have smokers on the street, unfortunately. And they throw their cigs everywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a societal thing, unfortunately, it's the fault of the person, not the cigarette'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. But they all do it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are allowed to smoke outside here, just not in public enclosed spaces'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Same here. Imho, it should be illegal to smoke outdoors.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's daft'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'At least in public space.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe here you have to be more than x-feet from an entrance'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Even away from an entrance, we share air. And they litter.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are also no smoking zones like plaza's and things, but a complete ban is silly. what if you're in the middle of nowhere?'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'govts should just stop being hypocritical and ban smoking outright'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, let's say at least 20 meters from anyone else. Or your own property.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'air share is a bit of a myth thing, litter is a real problem, but that can be tackled elsewise'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'but NO, they need the $ from tax.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I can smell the smoke, no myth.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smell, yes, it's no health risk though, you could just as easily ban aftershave, perfume, sweat'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only extra law i'd ask for here is a ban on smoking in an enclosed private space where there is a minor present'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just increase the legal age for smoking 1 year at a time, and in a couple generations we are rid of it. If only that worked.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor should it'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you shouldn't be legislating personal behaviour when it doesn't harm others'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Smoking is pointless. At least other drugs have interesting side effects.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not strictly true, is it? Nicotine is a mood stabiliser, an appetite suppresser, and a calmer'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Rules would be too complicated for smoking. Better to ban it, it does affect others.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rules? and how does it affect others?'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It smells.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so does many other things'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And second-hand smoking is bad for kids.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only in a confined space, and i've already suggest an easy final step for that'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, and I think a complete ban would be simpler.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why stop there, then? ban everything'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'smoking is bad:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4I5LXM2HWU'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ban perfume because it smells'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ban pigs because they smell'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ban cars because their emissions are bad for kids'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No. I think we should allow more drugs, and ban some of the current ones.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certain drugs should be discouraged because of addiction problems, for others, responsible informed use should be encouraged'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but notice i said discouraged, not banned, it's not government's job'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, I prefer to have public healthcare that is financed by taxes. That does not work if everything is allowed. Sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because I have to pay for your personal choice.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no you don't, i already pointed out that smokers pay more in taxes for their fags than it costs the public purse'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You said that. I don't believe it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so quite clearly you're not paying for others personal choice (and i don't smoke cigs, btw))'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's your problem, it's true'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Source?'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might not be true where you are, or in the USA, but it's true here'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.the-tma.org.uk/tma-publications-research/facts-figures/tax-revenue-from-tobacco/'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/smoking-costs-nhs-pound5bn-a-year-1700509.html'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but even if it didn't, i said earlier that the tax should reflect the cost, so your objection still holds no weight'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're in Sweden, i seriously doubt your government earns -less- than the UK government'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '20 fags are near enough 10euro a pack here'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'imo, if smoking 10 cigarettes causes social costs of 1 dollar, there should be a tax slightly higher than 1 dollar on those cigarettes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're suggesting using tax as a tool of behaviour control, Tinada, and I CANNOT stand behind that, it goes against principles of freedom and liberty'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot start an argument from that as a "given"'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a valid position, but not an assumed'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm suggesting that given the existence of a tax funded health care system, people deliberately creating extra costs for that system should be made to pay'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you'd followed the argument, you'd find that they already do here'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've even been posted links to the figures'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Also, I do not see anything principally wrong with taxes as a form of behaviour control'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i do'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What, then?'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what what?'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What is principally wrong with using taxes/subsidies to affect what people do'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'optionally, what are better ways'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'society should inform people on what to do, not have government legislate'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'While I agree that it may be good in some cases, government is often wrong about what is good or bad behaviour, and it's often based on faux science. E.g. the fat tax in denmark.'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the role of government is to protect people form the misdeeds of others, and facilitate society, not dictate it'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'large drink tax in NYC, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If taxes are bad, what about fines, jail?'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Tinada'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not their job'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a heroine addict forcibly shoots up someone who didn't want it, then that's the government's job to sort out'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if an informed person wants to smoke fags until he has cancer, then that's his personal choice'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What if his cancer costs other tax payers 500k?'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Who pays for that?'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've already discussed that'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither you nor government have the moral authority to dictate, only to inform and encourage'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll give you an example of action that i -did- agree with, from the fake-socialist then-government here in the UK to do with cars'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'faced with poor car sales, and the desire to get more efficient, less polluting cars on the road, they offered people 1000gbp trade-in for their old (roadworthy) cars against new cars that conformed to certain emissiona and efficiency standards'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it WORKED well, but also notice they didn't just "tax" other cars, or make them illegal, it was an ENCOURAGEMENT'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama could do something similar in the US, and could be cagey and limit the list to models built in the USA ... :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would help his carbon plan and help boost the economy'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fish are becoming easier to catch because SSRi's in the water making them more relaxed'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Greenspan: Ignore the economy, 'only the stock market matters''
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"data shows that not only are stock markets a leading indicator of economic activity, they are a major cause of it "'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The stock market predicted 9 of the last 6 recessions'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how come they're having a recess when they've only been back like 4 weeks?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'huh? Recess? 4 weeks? They?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'govmints'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ah. Don't care. :D'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps that pay cut is justified :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Geology graduate, Cait Reilly, 24, won her court case, arguing unpaid work placement at a budget supermarket required in return for continued benefits payments, breached laws on forced labour'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sequester. good thing or bad thing?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'bad because it means nobody is doing their fucking job'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'congress gets to fuck dogs and sheep all day instead of passing laws'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the elite, of course they do'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no different to lords and ladies of old'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, the sequester is the best answer so far, since it gives democrats the only chance to cut spending and not be blamed for it'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for republicans, it's the only chance of getting spending cuts full stop'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'democrats do actually propose spending cuts regularly. they just also ask for meager tax increases which throw republicans into apoplectic fits'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i've been told, have yet to see any evidence of any'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, "raising spending at a lower rate that originally planned" does not constitute a spending cut'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'my understanding is that the automatic cuts hurts republican interests more than democrat ones, because even a single dollar away from the military industrial complex is verboten'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then surely that's a good thing?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, military adventures are not a republican ideal, they're neocon ideal'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'maybe. hard to say. I'd rather see billionaires paying taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that ain't going to happen anywhere'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unless you singlehandedly manage to kick both parties out of politics'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I don't think either party is blameless. I just think that the republican party is far worse in this regard.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's as good as opinion as any. I personally believe they're as bad as each other because they ARE each other'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that's what the gop wants you to think, no doubt...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the same way Labour and Tory are fag-packet distance apart in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gop should give the party back to it's founding ideals'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they won't because the globalist corporate interests (neocons) own it'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why when they posted pre-tax profits from US operations in 2012 of $1.1billion, does it now look like Facebook will pay tax of MINUS $429million?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad that you agree that it is the Kissengers, Soros's, Buffets of the world who should be being taxed'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I also think that corporate income tax should disappear and that it should all be personal'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i feel the same way about national insurance contributions, capital gains tax, and property tax'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'property tax is a personal wealth cut, which I'm fine with'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'many billionaires do believe that they should be taxed more as a class, but the few who oppose that are also the ones willing to put money into it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have an ideological objection to personal property tax'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have a more accurate interpretation of it than that, Sonshi, billionaires CLAIM they should be paying more tax, but they are the exact same people that set up the laws such that they can avoid it, essentailly meaning that the upper middle classes pay all the tax, not them'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'with rising capital share of income and the corresponding falling labour share of income, the tax system should be readjusted to compensate for that...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the tax system should be massively simplified to include just income tax and sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and a few select specific duties'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'capital gains is income'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'so does that fall under income tax?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends what you mean exactly'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I think that what we currently call capital gains should be taxed as regular income'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'that certainly should be the case... with a few exemptions.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's currently used by rich people to lower their tax bills because it often has lower rates, it's own complex allowance systems'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'exemptions are stupid'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd do away with all tax-free allowances'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'owner-occupied housing, for example, ought to be exempt...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and do away with all tax credits'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole point of there being no exemptions is that everyone is treated equally and there is NO opportunity for abuse'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you tax that at ordinary income rates, it will be difficult for people to find comparable housing when moving, since part of the value is taken.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax what?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'say market rate when you bought is 100k. Comparable housing rises to 300k while you're staying in it. You sell for 300k. Good luck finding comparable housing at that price...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'after part of it has been taxed'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless that house has increased in value far higher than inflation, you wouldn't be taxed much'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Your capital gain is only 200k on that house, it would be tax free.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'why are you selling if you can't find something better?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'assume that this $100k house, with inflation adjusted comes to $200k. You sell it for $300k, the gain is $100k, taxed at 10% is $10, you ge $290k, not exactly ruined you, has it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'this creates a large disincentive to move, and restricts labour mobility, making it even harder for people to move to where they can find better jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are considerably bigger disincentives and blockages out there than that'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're taxing at ordinary income, it's not going to be just 10%...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'inflation doesnt count towards capital gain in the US for homes....if you buy it for 100k, and sell it for 300k, the gain is 200k.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're talking about an aspirational new system, riz, not what's out there now'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'we're not talking about the current situation, we're talking about taxing capital gains as ordinary income.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wont change anyways, because your tax is still 0'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'anyway, you're now talking about selling something that has less value and trying to buy something else that has more value than what you sold. the person in that position should be expecting to take another mortgage on the more expensive property, not pay it off with the earnings from the sale.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Get rid of the mortgage deduction, instead of taxing capital gains at full rate....makes more sense.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inheritance shoudl be considered income, too'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd do both, riz'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the mortgage deduction costs $80 billion a year.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we already said we'd get rid of all deductions and exemption'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you're selling a 300k house to buy another 300k house in another location and are getting taxed on the capital gains, you will have to cough up more money/take another loan.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not in favor of that, sorry..'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, Sonshi'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which isn't far from the situation now'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I believe the current situation has you taking a 0 hit...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer a capital gain tax of 10% on all investments, and no deduction on losses.  Losses are the risk you take when you invest.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'current situation you pay your stamp duty, you don't get it back when you sell'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'quite far from getting hit 20% on the 100k or whatever.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should the tax system recognise marriage?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'equal tax for all.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct answer, riz'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'much like your no-exemptions stand on capital gains as ordinary income thing, the law of unintended consequences strikes here again...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there were no provable unintended consequences on the no-exemptions stand, but if you want to try again on this, feel free'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'regrettably, richer people are on average better able to shift around their income, allowing them an advantage over poorer "working stiffs"...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all investment income except muni bonds should be taxable at 10% of actual gain.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why only 10%?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole point of a simplified single-rate system with no exemptions, Sonshi, is exactly that "shifting money around" makes no difference'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'sure, stick it to the poor guy...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That all you need it to be rate, because all income is now available to the tax, except muni bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'investment income that is.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would also do something about all of the non-income related taxes that -really- stiff poor people'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ah, 10% in addition.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in addition to what ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'to taxes on income? Maybe I'm not getting what you're saying...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, capital gains tax would be 10%, regular income tax would be ladded from 3% to 41%'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'laddered even'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feh, ladder, 20% flat rate from 0 to 52k gbp, 40% rate from 52k upwards until the ship is stable, then 20% flat all the way to go with the 20% sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the ship is stable.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all ladders do is make profit for accountants'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not going to punish our people more just because the brits enjoy it so much. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a ladder, it's shit'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't do what the lefties claim'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'why should it be lower than regular income for the rich, in a time when labour share of income is falling vs capital?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll continue after dinner'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'd rather hit capital a bit more, and have a wider 0% bracket...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you have money to risk losing on investments, the 10% tax instead of regular income tax is the bonus.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instead of whining about the inequalities of rich and poor, fix the system we have so that poor people are not penalized for making more money which is what happens now.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fix that, and more people will become middle class.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'not deducting for losses means that people who are more adept at shifting around money in complex financial instruments to absorb their losses would gain a huge advantage...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not if those loopholes are closed, which is happening now....that is why companies like Apple have $2 trillion parked overseas that wont be moved back to the US....it is harder for them to add to that total except from foreign profit, or interest.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If they move that profit to the US, it is taxed at the full rate.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, say Mr McMoneyBags has a lossmaking investment in A Corp and a large gain in B Corp... what's to stop him from merging the two investments using a swap of financial instruments?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'how can you stop that without shutting down legitimate and useful activity?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the point is, not deducting losses breaks the system in too many ways to count...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would have to do that before the current tax year for it to take effect.  That is normal business practice, and not a problem.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You create a holding company to hold both companies, then each ones profit or loss effects the parent company taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but it means that people who can do that are advantaged over the poor guy who can't simply cancel his losses with his profits...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Anyone can do that, and poor people dont because they are poor and do not run businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go make some money first, then whine.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'so what happened to "fix the system we have so that poor people are not penalized for making more money which is what happens now."?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is not the problem, the problem is poor people lose benefits when they make a little more money....not the fact that they have no money to create holding companies to hold all their profit making and losing companies. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yeah, but to create a strong middle class, they should not be too badly disadvantaged in the stock market...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are not disadvantaged, except for not having any money.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you buy stock and make money, that is a capital gain.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'regardless if you are rich or poor.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'making them unable to deduct losses is a disadvantage for them, since rich people have accountants who can merge stuff easily...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one should be able to deduct losses, and since poor do not partake in the stock market.....they are not disadvantaged, and if they did partake, they could still deduct losses from income'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone can deduct losses from profits, you dont need an accountant to do it for you.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'try doing your own taxes for once.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'wait... "no one should be able to deduct losses" and "if they did partake, they could still deduct losses from income"?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I use turbotax :\'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'turbotax is doing your own tax....:)'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in a perfect tax system, there wouldnt be deductions for losses on investment, but the current system says you can deduct losses up to 3 or 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which means poor and rich both can deduct losses from earnings to balance them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'yes, what I'm saying is that losses should be deducted so that small investors aren't screwed...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They are not screwed, they can deduct just the same as anyone else.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'which is the current system, as opposed to your perfect system.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'I'm saying they'd be screwed under your system, not the current one.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: '(relatively anyway)'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'look, republicans added the loss deduction to the tax code a long time ago...I cant remember when, but they did it to help their rich sponsors....and over the years it has expended to cover 3-5 years instead of just current year'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it needs to be removed, then companies like IBM wouldnt be paying 5% tax.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'companies shouldn't be paying any tax. taxing an entity that is merely a passthrough to individuals is silly'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, not everything that came out of a republican mouth was crap back then...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'their current insanity is a recent thing, as far as I know...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corporations are not pass through, they have the legal benefits of a single person.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'one practical reason for taxing corporations is to (try to) hit foreign shareholders'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corporate taxes are too high, it needs to be lowered, especially on manufacturing.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'legal benefits of a single person is a stupid excuse. they shouldn't have that in the first place.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you don't tax them, it raises their value for foreign shareholders who can avoid taxation... since they get more value after-tax'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and raise the min wage, and the standard deduction for single or married people to $15,000 per person.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'the 0% bracket (standard deduction, whateveryoucallit) certainly ought to be expanded...'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'ow. Handache. Stupidlaptopkeyboard.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we wouldnt need to spend $140 billion on the earned income credit if we raised the deduction.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and save admin costs too'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it wouldnt be on the federal budget.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'win win'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still spend the same amount of money, but with no paperwork, rules, and crap, and no listing on the fed budget ledger.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and itmakes filing taxes a little easier.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'and lots of man-hours saved not figuring out tax forms'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Can muslims consume synthahol ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'probably not'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why not ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'what makes you think alcohol is special?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing about it in the quran'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like i missed a look'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'synthahol is not alcohol, it has no affect on you, just the taste.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'not true'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Clza1XVA0SI'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Synthehol'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'currency wars.....'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh are both part of unions, despite spending most of their airtime demonising them'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I wonder if anyone is part of an intersection'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Jerk Fiendish is part of the null set.
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm part of a TreeSet'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there can only be one'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Jerk Fiendish mapreduced your mom last night.
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lots of people who don't like, and demonize, unions are part of them...not all jobs or careers give you a choice in the matter'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Limbaugh and O'Reilly?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I imagine they probably have a choice'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'everyone has a choice ;x'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not if you want to continue in your chosen profession, you don't'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it's difficult to be a highschool teacher without being part of a union'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'but those two probably don't have such limitations'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they'd be part of broadcasting unions'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'actually they prolly do.  Most on screen personalities are unionized'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ewA8KU9PJgs'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Max Keiser rocks'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when I worked in a school district, my choice was "be in the union and pay union dues" or "don't be in the union and pay the same dues to be not in the union" (I was on the non-teaching side, teachers didn't even get that choice)'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when I worked at a grocery store, my choice was "be in UFCW local 1" or "don't work here"'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having a similar argument with my work about the work pension'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unions will eventually be made illegal'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'we had that once. it didn't work out so well'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think that is a factor that matters to them'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'I doubt it.  Last time that happened, didnt WW2 also happen?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ww1 also happened after the last currency war'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or we will all be in a union'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unions will be disbanded because they threaten the 'legimiate authority of power' of government and corporate control'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'Which government are we talking about here?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA initially, but essentially all of them eventually'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these are predictions'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubt it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'That's odd you would say the US government, since unions contribute to democrats.  A major faction of power will not allow them to fade away.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they aren't banned, they'll be significantly defanged'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already have here'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never going to get rid of certain unions, and when things at work get even worse.....more unions will emerge, and take over everything because you cant trust govt and big business together.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Haladin nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll see'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Amazon used neo Nazi guards to keep immigrant workforce under control in Germany'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that 14 Billion years ago everything was One, but that the One wanted there to be Many, so the One exploded itself into a bazillion million pieces (the Big Bang) and now there is still the One, but he is composed of the Many. '
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '28 billion years ago the was a bazillion million pieces, but they wanted to be ONE, and it took 14 billion years for them to coalesce.... '
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Superman is the ultimate comic char....it is a shame the films have not done him justice.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and Green Lantern had so much potential, but they screwed that up also.....Except for the new Batman films, DC sucks at making films.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Happy to see Tigernuts, You welcome him to North Korea.
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hans Blix?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Jerk Fiendish sits in the corner and tries to convince you he is the 'Voice of the people'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had 3 million furriners move the country over 10 years into a country where the infrastructure was already 20 years out of date, crumbling, inadequate housing etc etc'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that explains the anti-foreigner sentiment'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, for the very wide part, it isn't a racist issue, it's purely a protectionist attitude'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'You still have to kill * a grubby biggar (Nottingham)'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the racist related crime you see in the UK is perpetrated by foreigners'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'talk about racist!'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You should be building millions of homes every year like we do here in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, there's a stack of reasons why they don't'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guvmint needs to in order to create cheap social housing and bring the welfare bill down, but they won't'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the planning system is tied up in cahoots with large building companies such that essentially ONLY those select building companies get to build new houses on any scale, and they won't do it unless they can get top dollar for it (i.e not in the last 3 years)'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and if land is a problem...there is Ireland.....'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over the last 20 years, every house with a scrap of garden had a house built on it, it was the only way small builders and joe bloggs could do it'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seems to me that there is lots of open land in the UK....itis a pretty big island.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a large chunk of it is national parks'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont lie to me, I am one of the few americans who watch british tv.....'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rest of it has already been ruled out and unbuildable by the local implementation of Agenda 21'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'are youbeing served doesn't count'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's room to build, but only if you want no green spaces for things like food production'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want an eco-friendly country that is largely self sufficient, we'd need to shed about two thirds of the current 70 million people'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hydroponics works amazingly well.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are tiny villages surrounded with huge open spaces all over the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once you remove the national parks, you're left with less than 1/5 of an acre per person'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont need THAT much farm land.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are rarely more than 1 mile from a village anywhere outside of Scotland, riz'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rarely more than 5 miles from a town, or more than 15 miles from a city'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Doc Martin.....'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'set in scotland'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'use a weapon.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn good show, should have gone a few more seasons.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The show is set in the fictional seaside village of Portwenn and filmed on location in the village of Port Isaac, Cornwall, United Kingdom,'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not scotland.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might as well be scotland for the understandability of the locals'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I enjoy it so much, that I am going to visit port isaac someday.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nearest towns to port isaac are 10 miles away.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love how the boats just let the tide go out and sit on the beach until it comes back.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should harness that potential power.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why harness free power when you can fleece the tax power to build windmills?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, windmills are great to shoot arrows at.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc tilts at Rizgoth
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not going to drive there though....you british people are crazy drivers.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'safest place to drive in Europe'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly because the roads are so packed, no-one is going anywhere'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.abd.org.uk/safest_roads.htm'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe the safeness of the roads is due to the excrutiatingly high cost of motoring (cars, insurance etc)'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is what happens when you only build 1 lane roads all over the country.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we built 1 lane cart tracks over the country, thanks'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those 1 lane cart-tracks used to be great fun to drive on in quiet times 20 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too many other cars now'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess the US is not the only country to start removing train service to small towns.....have to take a bus to port isaac :('
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hate buses....prefer trains.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trains? haven't had those since the 60s'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, we got rid of ours in the 1910s.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mostly boring freight trains now.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I still take the train :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont forget to put air holes in the box you travel in....abel.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our freight is almost exclusive road freight, making the roads busier again, and holding up traffic because of the speed limit differential on those 1-lane cart tracks'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'my 1-square-mile town has a "regional rail" train station for easy access to philly or new york city :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Saving Grace is a good film about marijuana....and it was filmed in port isaac....doc martin was a spin off of a char in the film, but with a different name.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tho, riding a double decker bus from london to cornwall would be kinda fun.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'highly unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but perhaps there is a train.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be a train a large chunk of the way'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a nice, small, reassuringly expensive, slow and late train'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'I think Obama is Mitt Romney infused with Michael Jackson and George Bush, jk.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cookies were invented in Persia.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'I was invented in Russian ruled by China under American law.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ruth Graves Wakefield (1903-1977), a 1930s-era Massachusetts innkeeper.  Without Ruth there would be no chocolate chip cookies and by extension, no peanut butter chip cookies or other flavors of chips, no chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream, no Chipwich.  She created the cookie while living in the Toll House in Massachusettes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'thats a sweeping statement, I'm sure it would have been discovered by someone else'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I mean calculus was simultaneously discovered, I'm sure someone would have thought of the chocolate chip'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shaddup and go eat a cookie.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nestle made a deal with her that allows them to use the Toll House Cookie recipe on all of their packages, her estate gets a fee for every use.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'that wench'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she was also given a supply of chocolate for the rest of her life.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately, the original building burned down during a 1984 new years eve party :('
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bah, what happened to the days when you could buy a scoop of jelly beans for 1 penny ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or a scoop of lemon drops for 1 penny.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, hey, pre-existing conditions is once again a reason to deny health insurance under Obamacare.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Really?'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Thanks Obama!'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mye: 'that specifically affected kids iirc'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, PCIP has run out of money already.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't think it's kid-specific, Mye.  The Pre-existing Conditions Insurance Program was designed as a go-between between now and 2014, when Obamacare's anti-discrimination feature comes into full force.'
T3/r7/2013-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mye: 'nods.. i think i was recalling insurance reform from a few years back.. looking this up it's something newer :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Keli Goff, as good a poster child for the need for eugenics as anyonne'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Leading Geneticist: Human intelligence is slowly declining'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Survey of satisfaction of the direction the US was going in came out: 27% overall, breaks down to 47%/24%/9% Democrat/Independent/Republican'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A leading genius researcher says the chances of new geniuses is getting lower with time.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no more Einsteins :('
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprising people are getting more stupid, look at the media, look at politics, just look at the world generally'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at the education system, look at the way everyone is poisoned'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better still, don't look, it's too depressing'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, it mostly has to do with mutation, human evolution appears to have stagnated.....we need a leap forward.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps the next leap forward will be technology based, since that appears to be the only evolution taking place :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be no leap forward'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'British Medical Association is callin g for a fizzy drinks tax'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm calling for a 50% pay cut for doctors'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's with all the gas price increases?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i would love to pay US gas prices if i had a car'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would too'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just filled up at around $8.50 a gallon'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's dirt cheap there'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not dirt cheap, you need to go to south america for that'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't get what americans are crying about'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'different economical environment of course...'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, SA countries tend to subsidise the gas, european countries tax it until people bleed'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mainly because european countries are governed by cunts'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'I just filled up my 14 MPG truck with $3.15 gas a few days ago :) Not to rub salt on the wound or anything'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'just looked into it the price for gas is more than 2x higher here than in the states'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$3.15 where ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, because clearly it costs twice as much, right?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'Houston, hence the lower than average price'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm not complaining because i don't have a car. also, i'm not a self-proclaimed expert in economy and can't guess why the prices are like they are'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'all i can say is that americans are whiny'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Dagnir, you're right about somethings, but it doesn't take an expert in econimcs, self proclaimed or not, it's predominantly down to the level of taxation'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'LOL, and europeans are economically detached generalists '
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, I prefer the cost of propane in north dakota....they are swimming in it from the natgas wells, and last time I was there, it was $1.25 retail per gallon.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mayhap. i just don't know how much of the price are taxes'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tunx: 'most of it is profit and taxes'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, in western north dakota that is....eastern nd it is still normal price.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, looked into it - the tax on gas is 422.77 euros per 1000 liters'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'high taxes on fuel does not help anyone, except the govt.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But the fed tax on fuel in the US is to low....it needs to be raised 1 penny per year for 10 years.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK typical diesel price $8.46/gallon. WIthout tax it would be $3.46'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the transportation fund which pays for new roads is in debt now, not enough fuel taxes to keep up with spending.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'rizgoth, you might want to let scandinavian countries know about the tax problem'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The fuel tax has not changed, even though fuel use is town because of higher mpg.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the tax take from fuel in the UK pays for the entire department of transport budget (includes public transport subsidies for rail, bus) 2 times over'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'down even'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'I agree Riz, its probably the only tax I WANT to go up.  Roads are a mess all over the place'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your taxes are pretty low in comparison, really'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just have a bunch of nutjobs in charge, is all'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'another reason for higher prices in europe is almost all of the gas/diesel you consume is imported.  No refining with the exception of Finland? I think.  So the govt levies an import tax'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'I drive 45 minutes down the road and I would pass several major refineries here haha'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we refine here'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US federal fuel tax hasnt changed in almost forever...it is currently 18.4 cents per gallon.  It needs to be raised so that roads can continue to be fixed via block grants to states from the feds.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'putting that up will make him popular ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Southern US refineries routinely ship refined fuels to other countries, so that we can get top dollar for them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'quite a bit of the new US oil production in Texas will be exported overseas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as fuel.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'read an article the other day saying the US will achieve energy independence in 5 years now, faster than anticipated.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas oil production increased by 33% in 2 years. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not if Obama continues his villification of coal'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hehe, here's something for tigernuts - http://i.imgur.com/MaR5Zrw.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ND production increased by 600% in 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and holy shit, great timing there'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russian meteorite was clearly the work of al-quaeda working in cahoots with the tea party'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get it right'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US went from a natgas importer 5 years ago, to 98% self sufficient toay.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has half of the largest oil refineries in the country.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government use of exagerated statistics up 1,000,000% since 2008'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jihadist urges Muslims to 'take England' by seeking welfare...'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'viva la raza, Abdullah!'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do we think of Marco Rubio?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's to the republicans what Obama was to the democrats.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt that'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Surely it's time for another Bush'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'wait, i think it was a rhetorical question and nuts will tell us himself'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't look remotely black enough or sound remotely extreme enough for that'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if I recall, Rubio got elected on the coattails of the Tea Party movement and then once he won he sold them out.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'an interesting comparison then'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i would like extreme obama. y'know, skateboarding and eating pizza. to the max'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wiki claims he never had any official links to the tea party'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strikes me more of a golf and prawns guy'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, nothing official.  He was definitely present and accounted for at many of their meetings when it was cool to associate with them, and he ran on their platform.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rubio looks a bit suspect to me'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's certainly no Dr Paul'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Pauls are the Naders of the 21st century.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not versed in medium term US political history enough to know who Nader was'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate him less than Paul Ryan'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ralph Nader.  He is most famously known as the independant with the most number of failed presidential bids.  A prominent sci-fi author even wrote a book that created cult of followers for him called the Naderites (they were far more successful than Ralph ever was).'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you like David Cameron?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'He is also "credited" for Gore loosing in 2000'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Gore had won, would he have gone on to trying and scam the world with his "pay me all your money for the earth" bullshit?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably.  The pay for your work in government sucks compared to what you'd get from corporate interests and talk tours.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'instead we gave all our money for wars'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well hopefully he'll have a polar bear land on him'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the polar bears are too tired from swimming to flap their legs fast enough to fly.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't be ridiculous, Hanslanda, polar bears can't swim, that's a crazy conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can swim, but mostly they're like giant white turds.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever ever right wing batshit crazy idea are you going to come up with next, that plants breath CO2?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guns are a defensive weapon?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'high taxes leads to lower revenue?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Hey tiger isn't your left and right in UK the reverse from the US? (Not trying to make point just want to know)'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends which way you're facing'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh no, europe's right = our left and europe's left = our left-wing lunatic fringe.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'our centrists are uncomfortably far right by most european standards :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'haha I love descriptiom'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU is essentially built and staffed by ex communists out of the USSR, Karang, if that gives you any context'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Is it common for those in Uk to follow American Politics as it seems you guys on here?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, most brits are fuckwits and believe exactly what the mainstream media dictates to them'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Errrr'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'closet Brit, Jhav?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'No, I just think your statement is overly specific.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I see'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'So brits are like Americans?  I feel better about my country :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much, karang, different ethnic makeup, but essentially the same trash'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're a little further down the road of nanny-state socialist control than you guys are'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they got us there slower too, so most people didn't notice'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Dont forget big brother atleast ours isnt quite as "visible" as yours'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ours is visible but quiet'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yours is fucking noisy and getting in everyones face for no reason'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have army vets being tugged by the feds for posting disparaging comments about our exhalted leader on Facebook'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we just get jobsworths taking young activists to task for videoing himself burning a rememberance day poppy in protest over foreign wars'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what that boils down, I think... is that our big brother state doesn't suffer from the cult of personality that yours does'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'they actually reactivated a soldier in IRR to court martial'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you read about the latest fiasco going on in Gitmo?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'hmm no and a cursory google glance fdidnt show me'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/17/guantanamo-trial-microphone-revelations'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'cant say im surprisef'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dagnir would be'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if the requirement is merely a 67% majority to enact, why is it important that all states ratify a constitutional amendment?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'only 67% have to vote yes'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but it is on a timer'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all are required to vote, if less than 100% vote within the period given, the petition lapses.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so no voting is equivalent to voting no'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is three fourth isn't it? unless you are referring to proposing amendments'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is a large majority either 67 or 75%'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '2/3rds is generally called a supermajority'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'whatever, being American I've got a right to forget the classwork.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I tend to think the 3/4 is right.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'note that the states (landowners) vote for the amendments, a clear display that the US is a republic.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but still, if the amendment can now be officially referred to as part of the Constitution instead of qualified as an undecided proposal, what's the big deal on getting the not-yes voters to switch sides?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what are you saying? If the required majority of the states vote yes, the constitution is amended, otherwise it remains as is. Creating an amendment is not an amendment in itself.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the classic example is (or was) the ERA amendment in the 1980s, it was allowed to lapse.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'most states felt that the CRA enacted during the Johnson administration adequately covered the subject.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wow, you really aren't paying attention, are you?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am. What you said was nonsense but I didn't choose to call it that :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'focus on, say, the 13th amendment.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what about it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I like to focus on the 29th amendment'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it passed.  #50 ratified it in 1995 (and until just now, forgot to tell everyone).'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'good luck with that one, Fiendish :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'several other states ratified it years after the requisite majority was obtained to ensconce it into the constitution.  Why bother with the vote, when the vote has not only already been decided but was decided a few generations ago?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Hanslanda, what it actually means to me, is that since MS never voted for the amendment, it really doesn't exist as part of the constitution. But get anyone to agree with that in court. That is about the same thing with the 16USAmend, many people will tell you that it hasn't been ratified, but you will have no luck with that in court.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mississippi's vote doesn't at all matter.  They were the very last state, and if you are going to allow the other 49 states to apply then the majority has already long been reached.  All 50 states voted yes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't understand, unless they claim that the voting period didn't expire before MS voted, that  amendment was not ratified. At the very least it could not be enforced.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what are you talking about'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless, of course, there were enough aye votes when the ratification period elapsed.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in which case MS vote counted as a no and things went on from there. So MS ratification now is just a formality (so that they don't look like the support slavery)'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even if they still might :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '(officially)'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'they probably do tho'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Twyst, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in the case of th 16th, it is really not clear what the state of the amendment is, clearly the government wants it to be a ratified and incorporated amendment, but the debate goes on.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but most (if not all) of the non ratification arguments are frivolous'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'most'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is, though, that with something so monumental, the government should have made sure that all the i's were dotted and all the t's crossed.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you have to ask yourself how long it would take for an identical ammendment to be passed assuming the 16th is invalid'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which is a very generous assumption'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if all the fraud is true, it would  be a clear indication that the states didn't want the amendment ratified.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and in today's atmosphere, that amendment would be DOA'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not realistically'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the government would grind to a screeching halt'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the 16th amendment really required that the states give up some of their sovereignty '
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'by allowing a federal income tax?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in clear violation of the the nation fathers' idea of a weak central government.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like the articles of confederation?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I love it that people assert to know the minds of men dead two hundred years.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the initial idea for the US was of strong states linked by a weak federal presence.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'which was tried and crashed and burned'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't have to know their minds, just read what they wrote :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not initiaally, it wasn't crushed. It was what won over a lot of the colonies that were thinking of going their separate ways. It was later that the federal government showed its teeth.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'thanks to Jefferson'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a lot of the colonies didn't want a federation.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'under the Articles of Confederation, we had some of the worst inflation of our history.  And more funny money than Canada and Australia combined.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah the articles of confederation were a disaster and yet so many are enamored with returning to that'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'an indecent number are enamored with the Federalist movement, too.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the function of the federal government'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to levy taxes'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seriously though'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the common defense and the like right?'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why even have a union, might as well be mutual defence agreements ala nato'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, seriously.  As of the adoption of the US constitution in 1789, Federal government (Congress) has the power to levy taxes on any form of accession of wealth from any means, except where exempted by said entity.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a lot of states would like to know the same thing :) But they all remember what happens if they try to secede :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the 16th amendment doesn't grant the power to tax, it just defines how to handle those taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: '"The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises"'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the avg price of regular gasoline in the US is now $3.73, up 43 cents in 1 month.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dirt cheap'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a refinery in NJ is shutting down for maintenance in a couple days, and it provides 7.5 % of the nations gasoline.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is part of the increase, the other part is the switching to summer blend of gasoline, so the winter bend is less plentiful, and the summer blend costs more to produce.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a story that says in Africa, the natives use a technique to catch monkeys. They hollow out one end of a coconut and put peanuts in there. The monkey puts his hand in the coconut and when he makes a fist to grab the peanuts, hes trapped. The natives will pull a string attached to the other end of the coconut and capture the monkey.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That aptly explains the behavior of most Americans.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps you meant that explains the behaviour of most republicans and teapartyers'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ah, so democrats and liberals do not buy a lot of stuff like big houses, expensive cars, and other trinkets that turn them into slaves ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'better yet, democrats strongly oppose the public schooling system which teaches people to sit in their caves watching shadows dancing on the wall!'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and they certainly never spend more money than they have, only Republicans do that'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, democrats and liberals are true americans....the perfect american.....everyone knows that! :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the monkey story is that of greed catching the monkey into an extremely bad situation -- the republicans in their greed are ruining the USA'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so are the liberals.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and anyone else who uses much much more than they actually need.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the republicans want public spending on their Wars and infrastructure, AND their taxcuts'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We keep you alive to serve this ship (America).  Row well and live.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the republicans want generous socialism for the rich but not the majority non-rich (without which they soon be overrun by foreign invaders)'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if all the nonrich USAmericans vanished off the face of the earth, the rich Americans 'd not be able to hold onto the USA '
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure they would, just allow non citizens to come into the country to do the jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Works in the middle east and other countries quite well.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'nice reduction to ridiculous..'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so basically, the rich USAmericans want a free-ride at the expense of the pnon-rich USAmericans (and the exploited world)'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'UAE has about 1.2 million people, and only about 300k are citizens....the other 1.2 million do the work.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er 900k'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as soon as the poor foreigners entered the USA, assume they'd vanish off the face of the earth as did the other non-rich USAmericans'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the fithy-rich are screwed if there were no nonrich to exploit'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Now you are being stupid, poor people are needed to keep the economy going.  Someone has to buy the plastic dog shit from china.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'so, in your opinion Zade, do you believe that every person making more than $500k per year is maliciously raping and pillaging every other non-"rich" person?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'then if the rich require those non-rich, the rich better pay the non-rich a decent wage with full benefits and provide full medical'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is saying that the USA better become more socialist
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'look how well that is working out for France lol'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not reaaly concerned about the USA -- more interested in whether the prophecies (by the Hopi, Edgar Cayce, Joseph Smith, Malachy, Nostradamus, Book of Revelation, etcetera) of the destruction of the USA (and the world) are going to happen soon'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was hoping for a few more years before Hell broke loose and devastated the world -- but "c'est la vie", or, "c'est la mort"'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or bongo the clown.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The chain may be gold or the chain may be iron, but it is still a chain.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'something bad happen in France recently?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Did they finally banish you to mali ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not watching the news'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was watching the H2 History channel, aka the History of natural disasters, organised crime, and omenous predictions, channel -- both humorous and depressing'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tunx: 'The russian meteor all over the news in pretty crazy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tunx: 'is *'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tunguska 1907 1908'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Apparently the norwegians do not know how to cut fish.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because of overfishing from idiot fishing associations in the northeast US, the fishing quota is being reduced a minimum of 60% for most fish, and as high at 80% for some.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They should have reduced the fisheries by 20% a decade ago, could have prevented the current massive reduction.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those "idiots" that believe that an overpopulated planet is yet able to practice hunter-gatherer activities in preparation for a big disaster -- but 300 million USAmericans going hunter-gaherer camping is not going to work'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'so much love for USA on this mud...'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love the USA, best country in the world, just needs a few tweaks in certain areas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'USAmericans ought to learn how to starve to death in preparation for when the food supply collapses'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How about you do it first, show us how.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everybody is going cellphones, and digital, and e-books etcetera, but if a disaster wiped out access to those satellites and fried the electricity grid, say a huge Coronal Mass Ejection event, back to the 17th century -- the Amish are fully prepared'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The chain may be gold or the chain may be iron, but it is still a chain.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just 9 percent of the seafood eaten in the United States is domestically caught'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Kodak filed bankruptcy -- because they were too big to scale down to a small firm supplying quality emulsion photos (instead of the digital crap)'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the Encyclopaedia Brittanica yet supplied in physical paper books, or did they foolishly decide to go digital DVDs -- and if so, are the customers foolish enough to buy the digital version (unless the digital version is dirt cheap)'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'paper Brittanica was stopped a few years ago'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They still publish the encyclopaedia in print editions for libraries though, just not for the public anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is all digital versions, and online subscriptions now.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in 50 years, a paper book version of the Encyclopaedia Brittanica shall be more informative and readable than the digital version which likely is unusable and unreadable as DVD technology shall likely be long obsolete in 50 years'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anything in digital format these days shall likely become unusable long before a paper book version decays'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do you use a 1960 encyclopedia often there, zade?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'because of your prophecized MCE I imagine?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You better go out and buy a $2000 hard copy then!'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a decent 1960 encyclopaedia shall likely contain more information about the early twentieth century than a 2012 encyclopaedia'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really, since encyclopedia didn't used to do pop culture'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Wikipedia often complains that some articles require to be trimmed as they supply too much information -- what a joke'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jesus reads the 2012 EB.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whereas ALL paper encyclopedia articles are trimmed because they contain too much information'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'every. single. one.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '"Mostly Harmless" =p'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if somebody wants information about the early 20th century, old paper-media sources are likely to be more informative than modern digital sources'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Hey!  That article was expanded, Daloran!'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Doubled in size, nearly.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Mostly harmless was the expanded version =o'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the HHGttG entry on planet earth was doubled (to 2 words) - tsk, all that information on the Vogon destructor fleet visit was missing -- what a rippoff'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least i yet got a paperback copy of HHGttG -- cheap paper though -- already a slight brown color '
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, just love dried mashed potatoes.....add it to most of my recipes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's great on baked chicken'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and in clam chowders, with big pieces of baked potato.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'really good thickener for soups also, to make stews.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chariot racing in Ben-Hur is the best part of the film.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They sure did know how to make films back then.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We really should bring back chariot racing, with 4 horses.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chariot racing is much more exciting compared to nascar.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YXlWiTPn7pQ - a very good short documentary shedding light on the machinations that would ultimately lead to the downfall of the Republicans at the 2012 election'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and before Fagnir chimes in, it was all the GOP's fault)'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rainer Daybreak throws back his head and cackles with insane glee!
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Reason #1: Obama.  reason #2: Romney'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'or possibly vice-versa'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially, their own utter insistance on getting the candidate they wanted at any cost (corruption, fraud) '
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chose a candidate that was possibly the least likely to win, even though they had information telling them so'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'houston police investigating a possible case of spontaneous human combustion'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'CSI did that, it was a cigarette and an old lazy boy'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'already*'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Fringe did it too.  And it was totally confirmed.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Michael Dorner was spontaneous human combustion, too'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the feds didn't burn the place to the ground'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(honest)'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Christopher Dorner?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, him to'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too*'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy that CNN were wetting themselves with praise for'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stocks hit new high due to devaluing currency'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Prominent American Scientists acll for eco-dictatorship under UN rule'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'You have to concede that a Paul presidency would be disastrous for the current power structure'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'unless, of course he met with an accident early on'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think the globalists would have liked not having one of their men in charge'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, it happened how it happened and now you guys have to deal with the cards you were dealth'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the very best of luck, too, i get the feeling you are going to need it'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how's the whole "not going to raise taxes on anyone earning under $250k" going?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '$200k now'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they stopped saying $250k, it's those earning less than $200k now.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'payrol tax went up for anyone earning.... i want to say $33k, but i think it's a lower figure'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how's the whole "i won't take your guns" promise holding up?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that was a freebie, part of the sequester/bush-era tax cuts for the rich stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Colorado banned guns that don't exist, heh'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uk elections they took a different plan, by not promising anything'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maximum clip size is 15 rounds (8 for shotguns), so effectively they didn't ban anything.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK announced that they will likely be short of electric by 2015'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'want to know how much tax General Electric paid between 208 and 2010 on the $10.5bn profit they made?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Does the answer matter? I'm sure you'll tell us either way.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-$4.7bn'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think you're a bit misinformed about what the word "tax" means, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was their tax liability for those 3 years'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'means you must have some pretty sizeable vehicles for carrying over losses from one year to the next, combined with extremely loose accounting'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so what about you?  Did you get a refund for all of those years?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no different to the UK, though in the UK the favourite tax dodging vehicle is franchise fees'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't, no'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet you know several people who did, though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's only like 6 refundable tax credits in the US.  So, it's not like they *got* that money.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they didn't 'get' that money'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's money they won't be paying later. seems baffling that they can offset losses one year against the next'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'losses shouldnt pass from one year to another....they should only count that year.....losses are the price you pay to do business and make the wrong decisions.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, riz'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we collectively wonder why our respective countries are so badly in hoc'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, basically, you want to do away with profits.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'any profit you make, you pay a fair tax on it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wot riz sed'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'My tax liability for this year is negative, too, actually'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're all taxed as we earn here, no chance really to get it wrong'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless your wages vary wildly from week to week'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'refund or not, 60% is still too high'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'My wages were $0 most weeks last year, so...yes :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're in cahoots with Big Business!  For shame, Leinei, for shaaaaaaame!'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think of all the Mexican children that will starve because of YOUR tax rebate'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'OK, done.  What next?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fascist! :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now picture Janet Napolitano nude'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pfft!  If you really wanna scare the children, picture her foolin' around with the bald fat guy from Borat.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she only plays around with other fat ugly women, though, right?'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the men in her department she dreses in gimp suits and whips them'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or so it is alleged'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to quote The Lorax..."that's a woman?!"'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(of things of that ilk)'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'big butch lesbian that is shite at her job, comes to mind'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corporate tax is too high, should be lowered to 20%'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think ours already is 20%'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, it didn't make any difference'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ours is 35%'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is because you guys are anti business.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialists'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Twister is such a good film.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love the eating beef scenes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grass fed...yum, with mashed potatoes and brown gravy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nom nom nom'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think it would be good for the world, if we managed to get people on Mars, to look around in person.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should spend $10 billion a year for the next 10 years to make it happen.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ack! Sequesterization causes asteroids!'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a Texas woman called 911 for some cigarettes....I say deliver them to her, and charge a $180 delivery fee.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I heard about an old woman who was blacklisted for using emergency numbers for taxis or cause her tv was out.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Modern boy who cried wolf, and solves itself.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the new office max and office depot merger will be called Depot Max.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'that merger has been a LONG time in the making'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps now they can finally compete against Staples.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'exactly.  They've been getting their asses kicked for a long time.  Especially internationally'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone please explain to me how furloughing 800,000 people will make permanent savings?'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unemployment is less than 100 percent of your wage, plus it expires.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it only works if they furlough every year going forward'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'British pound is touted as the next currency to suffer massive devaluation after the Japanese yen'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Didn't that already happen?'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's going down, but not by the amount being touted'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as you can imagine, i'd be ecstatic about that'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's nice, amazon.co.uk is already cheap :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't make it any cheaper, you realise'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation, paula'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Temporarily, it will. '
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm, inflation is pretty permanent'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'deflation will happen before inflation'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we haven't had deflation, except for i think 2 quarters in 2008 since the war, or longer'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'currency devaluation will not cause deflation'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hah, a US tire maker slammed France, calling their workers lazy, and overpaid, and that they only work 3 hours in an 8 hour shift.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love free speech.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'apparently their workers are the ones that said they only work 3 hours, claim "its the French way"'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, http://www.duffelblog.com/ It's The Onion in military fatigues.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i read tat, it was great'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you know why we hate them so much'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, Fort Bragg Officers Club is set to allow same-sex spouses to wear their spouse's military rank.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hmm, big booze producers are watering down their booze!  Buy moonshine from a local illegal producer!  Get the real stuff!'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, no they're not, Riz.  They backed off after a bunch of angry drunks started to raise hell.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It doesnt mean the others are not doing it now :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'makers mark will just come out with a 'new' blend that uses less alcohol in a new package, and make less of the old bottle :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, 160 proof banana moonshine....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'add rootbeer and icecream, and even better.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should end free trade....nothing is free.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'We should end Women's Suffrage...'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how, exterminate them all?'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Yes!!!! (j/k)'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'alternative: exterminate the misogynists'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no misogynists, only rabid feminists'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Hold on, let me look that word up'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Krache laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Well, its understandable though'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is?'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'The vast majority of us grow up sucking on teets, only makes sense there are no misogynists'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'misogynists bandy the phrase "rabid feminists" to attack females with independent opinions and desires'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wishful thinking, zade'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I think we should be in an Amazonian state :PP'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've been sucked in by the leftist agenda of destroying the family and denigrating the worth of women'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'look in the mirror when you say that'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hope Texas allows commercial gambling in the state.....Texans spend $2.5 billion a year on texas border casinos, and it is growing.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'plz no, I like keeping my paycheck'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at The River Styx, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Chances are it will pass in the next election. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'big companies have already started advertising to pass it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Lake Travis near Austin would be perfect for a few casinos, 5000 rooms or so, plus the games.'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't a big new casino just almost go bust in Atlantic City?'
T3/r7/2013-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Software Development is still one of the best paying tech jobs in the US....'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder why most of the tornadoes in the world happen in north america.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'obviously because god hates fags'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Daloran slaps The Jerk Fiendish.
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'or maybe because north america has the best weather reporting'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'china has more of them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Daloran: too much sarcasm?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Maybe, fiendish. Maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps because of the wind patterns above north america and mostly flat land in the center of the continent lends itself to more tornados.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or perhaps because you only hear reports of NA ones, since you live in NA?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how many tornados in sweden?  1 in the last 20 years ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We get storms, but no tornados. '
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they haven been noticed in all major parts of the world, but most of them happen in tornado alley in north america....Texas to Canada.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'wind patterns, man'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'that shit's cray cray'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the largest tornado I ever witnessed in person was an F2....a couple of them while driving east from west texas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a new shale oil field in West Texas has been found....the cline shale.....and it is expected to be one of the biggest oil fields in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the field is expected to have about 300 billion barrels of recoverable oil, and will soon be producing about 700,000 barrels of oil per day, and nat gas liquids with the oil.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Oil is a crappy source of energy. If we just hardened up and payed for research into another tech we wouldn't have to constantly be desperately wishing to find a big deposit of oil, that ultimately gives us a fraction of a percent of the energy we'd get from all the thorium we're just throwing away.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil rules.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Aweyn |
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: '-.-'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Billy madison reference?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Hehe. "Old oil rules"'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'o i l'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good stuff...provides lots of good jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Jobs are overrated because capitalism doesn't work with majority automation. When upwards of 50% are unemployed, capitalism has no choice but to collapse. '
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Yeah, without oil, we wouldn't have lube, and that would lead to terrible ha... uh. Yes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'it is far better to automate, research limitless, free energy and implement a free economy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, and then most of humanity can become Eloi.....:p'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Become what?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Eloi, try expanding your horizons, and read a book once in a while....I recommend the Time Machine, by H.G Wells.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I've been busy reading Asimov's series', but thank you for the recommendation.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Eloi had all their cares taken care of...food, shelter, etc, and an aggressive humanoid evolved creature that lived underground would harvest some of them each month for food. :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Once we fully transition to renewable (solar) energy, I expect it too be cheaper than energy is today. Not free, cheaper. But that will probably take 100 years, and the transition will be painful.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt energy will ever be cheap.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And possibly nuclear.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the cost of making solar panels is expensive.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Cheap is a relative term. It's quite cheap today, by comparative standards.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silicon is expensive to produce.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Didn't say solar panels. And learning curves will solve that problem.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'CSP would be nice, but so far few people have been willing to invest in the technology.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'CSP could make solar power cheaper then natgas or coal.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Guess the mechanics of it is still unreliable'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really, just no willpower to build them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Solar at the moment isn't very efficient, and it'd take a lot of money to research and develop until it's cheap and efficient. I have doubts of solar's merits as the ultimate 'renewable' source though. For Earth-only energy I'd put money on nuclear thorium and unless we discover some infinite quantum energy (advanced) solar would be best for galactic collonies.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Concentrated Solar Power....uses the heat from the sun to heat up a gas to turn a turbine.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'If we don't nuke ourselves to pieces by then. It seems that no one ever wants to foot the bill to advance anything /sigh'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the options are solar power, fusion or fission. Those are the only sources of power we have.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'so far'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a company build a 50 MW test CSP plant in Nevada.....and it worked perfectly...producing cheap power that supplies las vegas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I wouldn't bet on some super new energy any time soon though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are now looking for more funding to build a $500 million CSP plant, to provide california with power.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Solar PV is getting cheaper quick. Won't be long until it is cheaper than natgas and coal.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Need storage to make it base power, tho.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'CSP uses mirrors to amplify the heat of the sun to turn a steam turbine...quite simple actually.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just surprised no one wanted to do it before.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Would solar or nuclear have a better cost per watt, I wonder?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the aussies were going to build the largest CSP plant in the world, but canceled it after spending about $1 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I long to see how quickly we'd progress if the US flipped its science and military budgets..'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only way nuclear will be cheap is if new power plants have a standardized design that uses off the shelf parts, has less regulatory permiting issues, and goes to pebble bed reactor designs.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pebble bed reactors are ultra safe...they do not require human intervention to shutdown, or get too hot.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tunx: 'Canada for some reason felt the need to purchase 12 billion$ worth of second hand jets instead of investing into energy sector.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'maybe they want to turn them into low cost housing. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and use the jet engines to produce electricity.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tunx: 'doubt that Stephen harper probably wants them for his private council to fly to lobster parties lol'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would be cheaper to just import some maine lobsters.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'Boo friggin hoo, Zero Dark Thirty banned in Pakistan'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the new PS4 will have an AMD processor.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is that good or bad'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The PlayStation 4 will feature an X86-64 AMD Jaguar CPU with 8 cores, an AMD Radeon GPU and 8 gigabytes of unified system memory.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a recent poll of americans found 99% believed Iran to be a credible nuclear threat to USA'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which shows how much of a fanstasy Americans live in'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nah, Iran wants to destroy israel.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't all the pieces come from Dear Leader?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I doubt iran even wants to destroy israel.  They just want to keep the anti israel rhetoric going so that israel attacks them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'makes you wonder why they support Hezbollah, who really do want to destroy Israel and are giving it the old college try.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because hezbollah is willing to be the scapegoat.....if you could supply some money and weapons to a moron who will do what you wont, wouldnt you do it if you were iran ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has been using that strategy in the middle east for decades.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and south america.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US also has a big military, a big economy, and a great spy setup.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If the US was to leave Iran alone, there really wouldn't be an issue'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dude, Iran wants to be the USA of the middle east.  Embarassing blunders and naughty strongarming and all.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iran doesnt care about the US, the US media is so gullible, that iran just loves to provoke it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, riz'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran wants to be left alone. Who have they invaded?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Who benefits from a belief that Iran is a dangerous (soon-to-be nuclear) power?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who benefits? Israel, USA, Saudi Arabia, Qatar'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bahrain'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Kuwait, Yemen, Iraq...probably Egypt, too.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds to me a little bit like bullying'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Especially Syria though, otherwise we would have invaded :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Iran wants the IS to leave them alone so that Iran can do in the Middle East what the US is derided for elsewhere.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says who?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is an interesting spin'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not spin, i was waiting for an answer'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I meant Hans'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran have shown no ambition to annex countries anywhere, i don't understand where that thought has come from'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lets be real though, its mainly Israel'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't want to annex Israel, they just dislike the fact that Israel exists, and if you've read history, you find they largely have a point'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'israel was created at gunpoint.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, riz'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you would hate it also if someone took your land and gave it to someone else.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah you are correct, I don't dispute that'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I am actually saying the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Iran is smart enough to let the Kuwaits, Afghanistans, and Iraqs of the region fuck everything up enough that a superpower comes in to fix things and maintain order.  Iran's problem is entirely that it wants to be the superpower, instead of just another one of the fuckups in the region.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the reason Iran is the bogey man is because they are competing with Israel for local hegemony'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your comments have no basis, Hans, and smart of mass media bias'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We made a big mistake in removing Iraq from the equation.....saddam was evil, but he was the counterweight against iran.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iraq was a USA pawn'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not entirely sure what they were doing invading'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'paying of their campaign contributors'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fear that's probably true'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the only reason saddam invaded kuwait in the first place is because kuwait was drinking from the iraq milkshake. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'do you believe that Iran is 100% not at fault from the international "bullying" they have received regarding their nuclear program?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are entitled to do what they're doing'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, Russia offered to build them a nuclear power plant, and run it for them with the iranians....iran said no.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're fiercely nationalist, of course they don't want russia doing it'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Israel has a nucealr program'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's not even a secret'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'so if someone says they just want a butter knife but go out and buy 10" slicer and the best sharpener on the market, you believe them?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not an equivalent argument'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it does make sense for iran to use nuclear power...they have one of the largest known deposits of uranium on the planet'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'sure it is.  They are enriching uranium WAY above power-plant grade for no apparent reason that they can explain'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they could use nuclear to produce domestic energy, and sell the oil and gas to western countries.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'medical and instrumentation'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'not in the quantities they are producing'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Also not to weapons grade, apparently.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't generating much volume at all'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well the argument is they could get weapons grade really quickly'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'more like weapon grade'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they make a weapon THEN you'll have justification to attack them'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not until'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'seeing as how they don't have enough material'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'India and Pakistan, too.  Both can glassinate Iran, but Iran's big bet on those two horses is that neither is at all interested if Iran joins in the party (so long as it stays out of their own little beef).'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'oh, definitely agree on that Tiger.  I just don't trust them and their bat shit crazy "president"'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If making weapons is justification to attack countries, I see a lot of wars coming....'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it's easy to label him as crazy when you listen to the media'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their ramping up of production is more likely a response to the overwhelming force of threats that they're getting, much like what nutjob NKorea is doing'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have you ever heard a speech of his?'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're no more nutjobs that Obama'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the Israeli nutjob'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'its easy to label him as crazy if you listen to HIM, unedited'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or the Saudi nujobs'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Ahmadinejad seems to be consistently translated or interpreted in whatever way makes him look like a genocidal maniac'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama knows better than to deny the holocaust.  Ahmedinjihad, not so much.'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ahmadinejad is the iranian version of iraqi bob. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dinnerjacket is not the highest power in Iran and doesn't have his finger on the nukes'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as you would realise if you'd studied Iran :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wooo, Texas Pro Gun groups have started handing out double barrel shotguns to poor people in dangerous neighborhoods for protection.  The local police support the idea.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This doesnt make sense.....80% of the cod sold in the US is caught in Norwegian waters, and packed in China, and then exported to the US.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, a 4 lb goldfish was found in lake tahoe nevada.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a new oil shale has been found in California, 14,000 feet under some of the most fertile farmland in the country....the test wells show about 16 billion barrels of recoverable oil from that one small location.....as the test wells expand, it the barrels should increase also.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Oh yay, we're taking about oil again..'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I don't know why we spend so much time fighting and bickering and killing over what is essentially the most inefficient and useless energy source in the universe.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because oil rules.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your job depends on it right now.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I'm 17. I don't have a job. If I did though, it'd be basically worthless compared to the whole of the human race having infinite energy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, in that case, go get a job and pay some taxes instead of whining about the evils of oil....get some experience first, then you have earned the right to complain. :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Ooh. The induced insecurity card again. Cool.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I'm actually heading out and looking at several this week. Thankfully, I'm not in the USA so can't can't on most of my taxes going to fancy guns.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guns are good.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'What for? All they use them for lately is international bullying.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Solving hunger and energy crises would be good too, if you were willing to relocate the cash.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hunger is all politics, nothing else.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and there is no energy crisis, plenty of energy, just no willpower to do what needs to be done.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'And what needs to be done?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drill baby drill !'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Obviously you don't have very high estimates of the States' life either. Cool'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh please, we will be here longer than others. :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I'm fairly sure you just come here to say controversial stuff to get a response. That's fine, but whatever.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, I am all for renewables, the problem is the greenie meanies are against it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Do you have a diffferent kind of greens there?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Our are famous for fishing restrictions. Not much else.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A big company tried to build a solar plant in Texas, and some greenie meanies kept delaying it with lawsuits because it would have required a high power line to connect it to a major electricity line 5 miles away in West Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the solar farm was cancelled.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Oh well, as long as they're helping the planet... what was the line, it would endanger birds?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, think it was because high power energy lines cause cancer in west texas lizards or something.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who the hell knows.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a $10 billion CSP plant was cancelled in Australia because of lawsuits by greenie meanies also.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'wut. Lol. A lot of people here abhor wind turbines because.. um.. Birds' mating or...'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'there was something, I'm sure.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I didn't hear about that. I need a decent news feed.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'this was a couple years ago I think.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my point is, there is a lot of support by regular moderate people for green energy, but the radicals get in the way of it being built....they are not just anti oil, but anti energy period.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, because how the laws are set up, it is easier to get permits for oil and gas energy projects then it is for green energy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so oil and gas it is until things change.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Why don't things change?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lack of imagination.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is hard to compare a good oil and gas job and an industry that earns trillions to a new green sector that fluctuates year to year, and most companies fail.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I wouldn't say lack of imagination. Lack of will to risk change, or short term difficulties, or god forbid paying for anything.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I've seen more people who would make better politicians on the internet than I've seen in government.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: '/sigh'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas produces the most wind power of all the US states, and we are proud of that fact.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wind is doable.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We produce the most oil and gas, and the most wind.....two sides of the same coin :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Aren't you just the biggest state? :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska is 2.5x larger then Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Oh, yeah. Alaska isn't nearly as inhabited though, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about 700k people, compared to almost 30 million in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but anyways, oil and gas will be the major part of any energy plan for at least the next 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'At least in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or Canada, or Mexico, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'That sounds reasonable. I can see a lot of Eurasia going nuclear. I'd like to stay a bit more optimistic though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Like.. 48 -.-'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see nuclear increase its 18% share of US power generation....to around 40%'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'As long as it was done right this time, and not like the last time.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'That would be fantastic.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Err, last time?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nuclear power plants that were built in the 50s to 70s were unique designs for each plant....there was no standard design, so each one required parts to be made specifically for that plant.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that increased the cost for each plant dramatically.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Ah, yeah. Things are like that in the start though. I'd like to see effort put into standardising them, and developing a safer system. A lot of people hear 'nuclear' and immediately think bombs and fallout and stuff. To narrowminded people nuclear=evil, so it'd be hard to gain momentum for it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'In Australia it's nearly taboo to bring it up. We have massive deposits of uranium (I think it is) but we blantently refuse to use it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nuclear power design companies today are petitioning the govt to allow a standardized nuclear power plant design to keep costs lower.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Generation 4 nuclear power designs are much safer and cheaper then the previous ones.  By far.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'australia is the largest exporter of uranium. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Good news. I still haven't huge amounts of hope, but it's a start. I read about designs with ice plugs or inately non-fissile fuel that shut down automatically rather than meltdown, so that's cool.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'We're so shit >.>'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for the last 25 years, the US has been getting its nuclear power plant fuel from Russia, we pay to dismantle Russian nuclear missiles, and we get the nuclear material to power our reactors. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kind of a roundabout deal.....we pay the russians to dismantle the missiles, and the russians buy uranium from australia which is then shipped to the US fia freighter. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'there was a mutual agreement to take 20 tons of weapons grade plutonium each and use it for energy production between US and Russia :3 '
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Makes perfect sense :3'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Though Russian plant technicians said sodium fires were treated as no big deal :|'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'And India has thorium plants.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I'm outta info..'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thorium is good, but govts want nuclear weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'That's slanted as a plus for thorium, but it doesn't really consider govt. funding.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: '/sigh'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is enough thorium deposits that are known to produce electricity for 300% of the worlds needs for almost 10,000 years.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is about 100 years of known uranium deposits on land for the same purpose'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'It's practiaclly nearly as renewable as solar, but no one cares. It's frustrating..'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'is there much funding from private co's? Or are they too wrapped up in space exploration?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you added the uranium in seawater though, the known uranium reserves would jump to 1000 years.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and if you recycled the spent fuel, it would last almost forever....losing about 5% each recycle process.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now, only 2 countries recycle nuclear spent fuel....france and russia.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'French-Russian master race. At the risk of sounding childish, how do we change things?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'increase oil to $200 a barrel.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Wouldn't that happen on its own with depletion.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Though your new shale discoveries would get in the way for a bit..'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least 50 years. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has shitloads of shale oil.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the most in the world actually.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'interestingly enough though, Venezuela has the most heavy oil in the world.....about 1.2 trillion barrels in the orinoco field.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'is heavy oil anything like heavy water'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, heavy oil is just oil with a high sulphur content.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'ah. much less interesting'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I'd honestly like to see the US collapse a little. With all the secession bids it doesn't seem so unreasonable.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubtful.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I can dream'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas!'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Do texans actually consider themselves seperate from the US?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, our saying is.....Like a Whole other country!......and Everything is bigger in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Lol, Texas'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, if Texas went on its own...we would take some states with us....New Mexico, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, maybe a few more.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'What would practically change?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'also, would you expect to be called Texas the country?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, Republic of Texas !'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas was a republic before it joined the US.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Naturally. But the joining states wouldn't make up a new name.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They would be joining the republic of texas as states, no more.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Wouldn't there be Texas the state and Texas the Republic then?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'And would it be all redneck conservative? I could see the seperation of values as benefitial.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whatchoo talking about willis...no rednecks in Texas....'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Perhas that wasn't the right word. Isn't it very red though?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more purple then red.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'more detailed election maps showed that basically every state is. '
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Hypothetically then, what kind of policies would be in the new Republic of Texas?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'economically diverse, and fiscally conservative.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Let's pretend for a second that I'm 17, and I have no idea what you just said.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'hypothetically.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a wide variety of industries, and a balanced budget.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Doesn't every country aim for  a balanced budget?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'debt is quite useful.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'In what way'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Except pretty debt clocks'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, debt is used to reb up the economy, keep things balanced.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rev that is'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I don't quite get how losing money can be good for the economy..'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'a good intro macro course could help disabuse you of the most common fallacies in econs...'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I was thinking that. Could you suggest any good books for it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'maybe krugman's macroeconomics?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Thanks. I'll look into it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'doesn't beat actually taking a course though, unless you're well-motivated and prepared.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I expected that. I'm not really in a position to take proper courses, and I dunno if economics study is likely to be that important to me at the moment. '
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, first you can study a lot of math, although a lot of it won't be directly related, better problem solving skills help.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I quite like maths :3 I've my sights on university eventually, but until then I'll look at self study stuff like that. In between a job with texes to keep Rizgoth happy..'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'if you study hard beforehand, you can finish uni a lot earlier and save money. Depending on the institution.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Australian unis seem different. I'd have to look into it, since I don't know much. My choices at the moment are to go to uni or not starve to death, though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'doesn't australia have better support for things like this unlike crazy america?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sonshi ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Theoretically. There's welfare payouts that 'everyone' is entitled to, but I don't qualify. '
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'The tests look at parental income, and happen to ignore expenses.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'in america you can get really deep in debt just from college (uni) tuition...'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'The same still probably happens here, even if there is help for fees.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'some people spend a couple of years in degree mills racking up tons of debt only to flunk out or run out of cash/loans...'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I'd simply have problems with eating daily, though ^^'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I particularly like the way that uni is a place to increase profit rather than knowledge :D'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'emote sighs'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'well, that worked...'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'depends on institution...'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'but the motivation is in the hands of employers.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Aweyn flip
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Aweyn flips
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Lol. Soz. I get it now.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Did you know there are 33 countries who fly the 'red, white and blue'?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Boba Felt: 'none like MURICA!'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Liberia's flag is like America's...'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the movie Frank Miller's "Sin City", the first section: "The Customer is always Right", did "the Customer" get what she wanted, or was she double-crossed.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The hours in a day will be cut by 2% if the sequester happens.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: '"Thanks Obama!"'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Feds move to disarm army veterans'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If we froze the federal budget at current levels, and only allowed increases based on inflation only.....and we could balance the US budget in 7-8 years.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we had done it 10 years ago, the budget would have been balanced in 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'assumes growth above inflation'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'man why dont we all just elect you then since you got it all figured out.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You could balance the cash flow accounts, not the gaap accounts :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Would you vote for me ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Riz got Texas Rep!'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er for'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Well, since I don't think you know 2 shits about what you're talking about, No.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aw, the feelings are mutual :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that puts him 2 steps ahead of your existing lot'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think I could get 90% of people who know me to vote for me'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not so sure about the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i couldn't, but people are pretty stupid generally, so what can you do'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes they are....considering most of them do not even bother to vote.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of casino's going bust, apparently'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without an explanation, seems you are not sure'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you need explaining tonight, zade?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'afternoon here'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'casinos '
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smartarse comments will not earn you a higher grade'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Casinos going bankrupt is not important, maybe even good  (since they're parasites)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're no more parasitic than lawyers'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or politicians, or bankers'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are different types of parasites '
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different in that their parasitism is optional as opposed to compulsory?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is that worse?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most politicians are lawyers.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or bankers'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'worse if the damage done by their existence is worse'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's patently not the case'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when Casinos encourage crime or support crime, casinos are bad'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do casinos encourage or support crime that is any worse than what politicians do?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Casinis are parasites that do not provide a positive worth commensurate to the damage the Casinos do in ruining lives'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Casinos are optional'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, compared to politicians they are not worse'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not everything in life is subject to being necessary'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and certainly not by your measure'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'except chocolate'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'politicians or leaders are required, not an optional'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's your opinion'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you babble inane nonsense -- since everything in life is subject to justification at some level'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not by you it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of things that are less justified than casinos, they provide entertainment to people'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'entertainment that causes ruination is not decent entertainment'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'casinos don't cause ruination'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people cause ruination'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that misdirection won't whitewash'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think i see your problem, zade, you see sensible comment and you are so paranoid that you think it's misdirection'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'casinos add (and abet) extra ruination to the ruination that victims and perpetrators cause'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you go after bars and mcdonalds too'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and by your logic, "all manner of evil is not evil" if the deceptive bandy the misdirecting faulty whitewash: "people cause ruination"  '
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"SOMEpeople cause ruination"  '
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are evil, objects are not'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"some abominations cause ruination" - example: the casinos'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody forces people to go to casinos and/or ruin themselves, neither does anyone force people to go to bars and become alcoholics'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not evil in and of themselves'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you are weak willed, then stay away from them'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news alert: nobody is allowed to go to a casino because zade has the self-control of a serial rapist'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is similar to the nonsense of saying "drug-addicts are not forced to get more drugs"  (but they are forced by their addiction, and the wicked exploit that addiction)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'casino's are not chemically addictive'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade does not gamble irl -- which should be obvious from the Zade style of aardplay -- minimise risks
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you have absolutely no capital invested in damning you're doing'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'casinos are psychologically addictive'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm riiighhht'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade avoids committing crimes, yet i damn some criminals
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so your logic is faulty'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my logic is entirely intact'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would deny perfectly legal entertainment to the masses because of the abuse of a minority '
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would get on well with the mayor of nyc'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'by extrapolation, your logic infered that to condemn crimes, those condemning must also be invested criminals'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'running a casino isn't a crime'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'your logic infered that to condemn gamblig, those condemning must also be invested gamblers'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'moral crimes'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you want to ban something you don't do, have not been affected by, you just don't approve of it'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'd be like me banning pop music'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so according to you, folk are supposed to wait until a plague hits them before doing anything to prevent the plague'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pop music forces people to break the law, gives young people a delusional sense of reality and self image'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'casinos are not a plague'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some prefer pre-emtive action'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i suggest you go out and ban everything, then'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some opine that Casinos are a serious plague'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is going to authorize casinos soon.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, they're also the sort of people who believe in the pre-trial rapture'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'moderation is good, no need for your inane faulty logic to incite and encourage wholesale anarchy and depravity when you lose an argument'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'moderation is perfectly sensible, banning stuff you find objectionable for vapid faux-moral reasons isn't'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but you went insane and suggested banning everything'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much anything could be painted bad under the sort of vacuous reasoning you were giving'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: '-50'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would legalise all the hard drugs too, at least you could get control of the supply then and take the criminals out of the equation'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think colorado might have screwed itself up'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Sierra Club Protestors calling for One-Child policy in the US'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it that UN gave themselves immunity from any kind of reperations for giving 8000 people nw'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was it, UN gives themselves immunity from any kind of prosecution or damages as a result of their base leaking sewage into the water supply in Haiti, causing Choldera'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'infected 600,000 people'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, the UN immunises themself against any form of criticism, even the UN convention on human rights isn't worth the paper it's written on'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, the UN did not cause those infections, since according to your logic, the UN is inanimate, like casinos are inanimate, and "people cause infections"'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(reparations) (repercussions)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't talk crap (if you excuse the pun)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and don't belittle serious issues just because you failed to convince others of your nanny-state foibles'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if that UN base leaked sewage because of the earthquakes, blame the diseased haitians for using the toilet facilities at the UN'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has corporate responsibility for the leak'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had it been an international business, they would be held criminally responsible. UN is ducking the issue because it believes itself to be a global government and therefore immune from all rules'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should at least pay damages'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or make reparations'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, the defectiveness of your logic is more obvious when "(tyrannous yet legal) Government" is substituted for "Casinos" - (that "government" is not evil, look at that "government" as a "casino", and tell yourself (the lie) that "people are evil" but never the Government and certainly not the UN )  [Disclaimer: Zade disagrees with the Tigernuts equivocation and faulty logic]`[ '
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you can't honestly equivocate around evil institutions (such as Casinos, or maybe the incompetent UN) through the misdirectws use of labels'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(misdirected)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hanlon's razor'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am kinda wishing Sarah Palin was president now.....:p'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'said no one ever'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'isn't she a liability?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How so ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because she is uninformed?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she would open up all 50 states to resource development.....reduce the cost of energy in the US, and millions of manufacturing jobs can come back.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'something like that'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so maybe she should be energy secretary instead'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather an uninformed president that understood the constitution that could be informed by experts around them'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If obama would just open up federal lands that have vast resources of energy underneath, we could have a golden age in the US again.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it would last generations.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'like GB II?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd never have a golden age with a socialist government'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we don't have a socialist government'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're working on it'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, you might have a golden age compared to a previous or later socialist gov't'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'maybe a golden age of repression and surveillance'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'we are working on an oligarchy or plutocracy in addition to a theocracy'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are over 16 billion barrels in a newly found shale oil deposit in California, but chances are it wont be extracted because most of the oil is under federal and state land.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the moment you have a left of centre, totalitarian-leaning government that is growing and centralising itself at a very fast rate'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'political discourse in America is sooo far right that anything even centrist is seen as far left'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's more complicated than that'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'its that simple really'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even describing politics in two-dimensions misses some nuances'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'obamacare = the republicans reubuttal plan to hilarycare in the 90s'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare - we didn't get the healthcare we wanted, so lets wanker everyone'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in the spirit of bipartisanship'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'because it is impolite to admit that the right is batshit crazy'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bipartisanship needs to die'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the right isn't the right, the left isn't the left'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are very few true republicans left in the republican party'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it has all become a depressing game'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like there is very few liberals left in the democrat party'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were never really political opposites'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well you're right politics is on a spectrum'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a spectrum'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a multi-dimensional vector'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the few dimensions you express it with, the less accurate or helpful description it becomes'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fewer*'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the mass media and the general public use 1-dimension, at very least you should be using 2 or 3'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise you miss any form of nuanced stance'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is hard to be nuanced in the current political atmosphere'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then take yourself out of the atmosphere, put a political gas mask on'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then you end up in the posiiton of David Brooks and other non-partisan "spread the blame" wankers'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it takes real mental jiu jitsu to find equal fault in both "parties"'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's so much blame you can spread it equally (joke copyright Neddy Seagoon 1956)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not difficult when you understand that they're the same animal, or have been for much of the last 100 years'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs your mind to be awake'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they share similar aspects'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'doesn't make them the same animal'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are influenced and paid for by the same animal'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'otherwise the extreme fighting would be even more comical than it already is'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why ultimately not much changes'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US still needs to focus on energy, medical research and development, and tech r/d, robotics, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the US is focusing on energy'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to do that, riz, you need to put to bed some foreign and domestic policy issues first'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'No reason why 10s of millions of new jobs cant be created.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise they'll just keep distracting you'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Start using real nutrition science instead of 2nd rate statistics, and the health care costs will plummet :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a corporate interest in not doing that, Tintin'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it won't happen'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not talking about health care costs, I am talking new types of medical devices, xray tech, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'research and dev into new treatments.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a convention today about mining asteroids'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Well, yes, it would largely destroy the current incarnation of food industries, pharma, health care and so on'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the legal ramifications of mining asteroids has never been solidified because they believed there'd be one world government by the time it was feasible'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does that tell you?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'who is this "they" that believes in a unified world government?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Nevertheless, it would be relatively straightforward and save so much resources you could fight 3 extra wars and still save money'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many people, uludar'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'reduce the cost of energy in the US by half, and get those natgas using chemical manufacturing factories back in the US....specifically Texas....since no other state except perhaps NJ is smart enough to build them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'large banking cartels, U.N, many politicians and political families (such as the Bushs, Obama, Kissengers, Rockefellers, Sunsteins, Soros's)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both of your political parties'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU, and all of it's founders/supporters'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of natgas in the US is already less then half the world price....and chemical companies are flocking back to the US.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'various political activists, environmental activists such as Al Gore'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Halving energy cost isn't very realistic, but at least you could insource the energy production again, given a dozen years'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont need a dozen years, it is happening right now.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is about to pass an executive order banning any new power generation that emits above 1kg(? will check amount) per MW'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it HAS been happening in the last 5 years, but on private land.....we need to open up federal land.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then things will really start rocking.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uk on track for home-produced energy shortages by 2018'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'By now, I think only the very gullible or uninformed believe Obama has energy independence as a high priority.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has no intention of being energy independant'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Uludar: 'we're on track for energy independence in 5 years, regardless of federal land use.  energy prices in the US are dirt cheap compared to pretty much anywhere else in the world on a national level.  Our economy is built around the current prices.  Halving them (or doubling them) will have drastically negative impacts'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama's brief is to collectivise what he can, bankrupt the rest'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, considering the feds get 12.5 % of all energy produced on federal lands, you would think they would want more resource development :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Romney's 8 year plan was rather on the optimistic side, but 12 could be done, I think.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the new regulations would allow natgas power generation'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not oil or coal though'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the federal lands meme is not entirely true'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's credit rating just got dropped'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll fuck up Gideon's plans'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'credit rating agencies are full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's purely speculative to try and gauge more money out of higher rates'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really unexpected though, we're pretty much insolvent'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'govts set the rates on their own debt....not private ranking agencies.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US bought about $50 billion in UK debt last year.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with what?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with our own debt :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all fucking ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'dumb but happy or smart but sad?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the big defect of "one world government" is that a few may totally screw up everything oppressively bigtime'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with multiple world governments, there is a chance that a few nations or countries won't screw things badly (through greed, incompetence, bad ideology, sadistic desires, religion, bad economics, etcetera)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Rizgoth platform, a spendthrift of natural resources, does not believe in preserving reserves for the future.  The world requires to learn to do with less, and feeding the current concupiscence of increasing usage of natural resources is a recipe for mass genocide when something runs out, and there are no reserves.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how will the starting of using resources today that will last 50 or more years, and open up new resources ongoing hurt the future ?'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the future we will have new tech that opens up even more types of resources.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if people had removed their heads from their asses 15 years ago, the alaska pipeline would be full of oil today, instead of only being 1/3 full today.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currenly, the 7 billion humans on this planet require that things don't go wrong -- and worse, the current desire by some is to increase energy and resource usage, with the consequence that population shall increase and the situation become more precarious.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which is more painful 8 billion starving to death, or 4 billion starving (but not to death) -- harder to feed 8 billion than 4 billion when things go wrong'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and all those riches being pulled from the ground -- so few are benefiting that wisdom dictates to leave those resources in the ground until more than 95% become rich and not the 5% or less becoming rich (as currently)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and the resources in the federal lands -- if all the monies and profits went to the taxpayer, there may be some partial justification for developing those resources, but the greedy are going to want all those profits to go to the few that are already extremely rich (and pay as little tax as possible -- let the poor pay the taxes they say - greed, crass greed)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich are rich enough, don't feed the greed'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and don't count on imaginary future technologies before they appear -- they may not appear, or they may be pre-empted by natural disasters caused by overpopulation caused by unrestrained exploitation of (dwindling) resources'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are so many humans on the planet, mayhaps get used to paying humans not to work, and if you want to work, you pay for the privilege (by supporting those that don't work)'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are several natural disasters that may cause world wide famines: asteroid comet hits, changed weather patterns, magnetic pole wandering, CMEs, resilient pestilences hitting crops '
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'asteroids are a myth.'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'in soviet russia, asteroid makes myth about you'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much damage is a football pitch size asteroid likely to do if that actually hit planet earth instead of missing by 30,000 km'
T3/r7/2013-02-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Sun is spewing out billions of tons of CME materials -- a conjecture is where does that material condense and does that material form comets and asteroids'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A new type of eyeglasses made for healthcare workers has an interesting side effect.....it also cures color blindedness.....in people who have problems seeing color'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'How?'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, but it apparently works.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Do you have a link?'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the new glass was created by a neurobiologist.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt cure it, but it fixes it while the eyeglasses are worn.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'http://todayhealth.today.com/_news/2013/02/22/17046479-surprise-side-effect-new-specs-may-fix-color-blindness?lite'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'regardless, it is pretty cool.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would assume it changes the wavelength of some colors you cannot see into colors you can see. Probably only works for a subset of color blindness.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Yeah. The article said it boost red-green at the cost of blue-yellow. It doesn't seem like a miracle solution, but it's still quite interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, it is a step in the right direction and perhaps the first step at that.....'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not like scientists are jumping to the head of the line to cure colorblindedness.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But I am sure it effects millions of people worldwide.....who would enjoy seeing more clearly.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Perhaps with a powered light source you could even supplement the sacrificed colours. It seems expensive though, and colour blindness might not be 'worth it'.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'That said, the idea of coloured lenses to help is quite an old one. As back as far as 1800.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pretty much all men are color blind to some degree. Not that it matters, color blindness is a relative term. All dogs are color blind compared to humans, but they don't care :D'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I was just thinking, you could probably go your entire life without even knowing you were. I personally don't think it's so important.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If color blindness was important for our survival, evolution (or $deity) would have gotten rid of it millenia ago.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Do you mean 'wasn't'?'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, yes :D'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I forgot not to avoid using double negatives.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Nice and confusing. I think you mean if it was dangerous there wouldn't be colour blindness?'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Yea?'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Okay. That makes sense. Evolution doesn't go out of it's way to change anything unless it's important.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or mattered for any other reason. Maybe it mattered for women, since they historically were gatherers more than men.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I wouldn't mind testing greyscale bionic eyes.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe women needed to see the difference between types of fruit, while men didn't need color vision to kill a wooly mammoth. Just a theory I invented now.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'That makes sense. Another theory was that colour was used to detect flushes in other people to gauge emotions, which could be more prominent in a mothering/social type role.'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone asked last night who it was that wanted one world government and I made a flailing answer. A more cogent response would be to take a look at the Council on Foreign Relations and Trilateral Commission, their members, their founders, and the people they were involved with'
T3/r7/2013-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only reason one wouldn't want one world government is because they enjoy territorial strife...'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only reason you wouldn't want to be raped in the street is the risk of getting dog poo on your shoes'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this was a very nice headline, "Firearms Companies Restricting Sales to Government Agencies in Areas That Restrict Gun Rights"'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Any Australians who would like to share their views with the upcoming election?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'australians have an upcoming election?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my advice would be to put the one that fights against globalism, avoid anyone who has had any contacts with Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, the Bildeberg group, or the CFR or other Round-Table related organisations'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know your Labour party has been a disaster'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know much more about it than that'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'All I can really say for certain is there's one for Prime Minister. I'm new..'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'the Liberals are a disaster too.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'To be fair, I haven't seen a lot of politics that isn't.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'Australian politics is very short-sighted'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Parliament is comparable to a playground, where everyone just calls each other names.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'How so?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'do you see any long term policies in recent years?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see lots of destructive long term policies out there'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no constructive ones though, though this could be because they don't get reported internationally'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'You know more about my politics than I do ._.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'australian politics? not really'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know they've had bad policies on gun control, on carbon taxation, and have stupidly handed over tons of strategic resource ownership over to the chinese'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I can whole heartedly confirm the Chinese thing. I think the carbon tax is an absolutely stupid solution compared to actually developing clean energy, and I don't know much about our gun control. It's been really strict since a shooting, like, 40 years ago. It's worked well but it seems to be slipping. '
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, it never worked'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't work in the UK either'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't work in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'People like shooting people. I'm proud to be human :D'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'who cares, I love australian healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be better than British healthcare then'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'is the british one free?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'psuedo-free'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing's free'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'welfare is.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welfare is not free'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'to the recipient.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'free-for-me'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not free for you'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'in what sense.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Well, technically, I think it's considered a kind of 'loan', and it's expected to be payed back in taxes, or something.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Theoretically..'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'not centrelink.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't comment on your specifics, but here you pay for it through your taxation, and being subjugated to medical tyranny and control'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'here if you're a welfare recipient, you get free $'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that $ isn't free'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'when the recipient does not have to pay anything for it, it is free.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that $ comes from your neighbours, your friends, your family, people you don't know, and in the case of current situation, you're stealing it from your children's generation'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it's still free for the recipient.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shows the same short-sightedness that people were complaining that the government were guilty of not more than 10 minutes ago'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'are you insinuating that I am a welfare recipient?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's never free, it might be free in upfront $ cost to you, but it's not free to all, it's not free from cost in terms of society cost'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I never mentioned my position on welfare. I am just stating that it is indeed free for the recipient.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm telling you why it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you're telling me it's not free for society'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'smoking cigarettes have not up front cost'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'you're not telling me how it is not free for the recipient.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to the recipient it's not free in terms of control'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'It is called 'debate', but I think this is going a bit far for an argument of the definition of 'free'...'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'define control.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you sign up for welfare, you are entering a contractual obligation where you have signed over control of certain conditionality to the person paying the welfare, in this case your government'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'I wouldn't know. I don't get welfare.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'my knowledge is from the welfare recipients I know.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you claim welfare believing it's 'free', then you're basically responsible for shitting on the aspirations of everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it seems like you are a very principled man.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'shouldn't you be digging a water well or revitalising education in some part of Africa'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not allowed to be principled because i'm not digging a well in Africa?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'it's actually a genuine question.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would i be digging wells abroad when it's my own country that's in trouble?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'so what are you doing to help save your country'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Oh, god, what have I done...'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'getting the word out, taking part in activism against bad stuff, and preparing for myself and my family'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"learning"'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have some interesting insight for you'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I am interested..'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in 1971, Gary Allen wrote of 14 signposts (warnings) to look for to  show the Republic (USA) had been lost to corporate interests pushing socialism as a means of dispossessing the people of their rights and wealth'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is 1971, mind'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll type em out. it'll take a minute and it'll be wordy, so don't whinge about a block of red text on your screen :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Red's my favourite colour :D'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1. Restrictions on taking money out of the country and on the establishment or retention of a foreign bank account by an American citizen.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2. Abolition of private ownership of hand guns'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3. Detention of individuals without judicial process'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4. Requirements that private financial transactions be keyed to social security numbers or other government identification so that government records of these transactions can kept and fed into a computer'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5. Use of compulsory education laws to forbid attendance at presently existing private schools'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '6. Compulsory non-military service'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '7. Compulsory psychological treatment for non-government workers or public school children'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '8. An official decleration that anti-Communist/anti-Socialist organizations are subversive and subsequent legal action taken to suppress them'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '9. Laws limiting the nimber of people allowed to meet in a private home'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '10. Any signifgicant chant in passport regulations to make passports more difficult to obtain or use'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '11 Wage abnd price controls, especially in a non-wartime situation'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '12. Any kind of compulsory registration with the government where individuals work'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '13. Any attempt to restrict freedom of movement within the USA'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '14. Any attempt to make a new major law by executive decree (that is, put into effect, not merely autorized as by existing executive orders)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go see how many of those have already happened, and it's most of them'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'only if you have a paranoid confirmation bias'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'e-h 20'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it cannot be a confirmation bias'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the author was a historian who had researched what was going on in his time, how it had got there, the people doing it'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and was making very specific predictions based on writings of those involved, their plans and policies'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what he did in laying out his theories and making predictions is no different to a scientist taking data, having theories, making models that fit the data, then making predictions to test the model against'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'confirmation bias is merely taking individual things out of context that seperately confirm a hypothesis. In this case it's wishful thinking'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you talk about society, there are a vast number of factors. Unlike a lab experiment, you can't create conditions where you can fix enough factors to measure effects of different stimulus, so you can only take a broadbased approach'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I'm totally lost. America's about as capitalist as it gets, and isn't basically everything there in 'corporate interest'?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'And how could socialism possibly benefit a corporation.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: '?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahhhhhhHhhhh'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it benefits a small group of people'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best i can suggest is go download/buy/read/pirate a copy of "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" by Gary Allen because it is a very small book'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are more formal studies by political scientists, but this is a condensed, easy to read version'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Doesn't capitalism already benefit a small group of people. The whole 1% thing. It's already geared to have wealth leak upwards.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'like something even you can wrap your head around?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'But I'll certainly do that.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry Dagnir, we're wearing Troll-proof earmuffs today'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, capitalism and socialism aren't mutually exclusive, you know'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go read it, then comment on how shit you think it is'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course not'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the key word though that explains the link is "Monopoly"'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a world of difference between "capitalism" and "free market"'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I had an info graphic. I'll see if I can find a link..'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'http://www.sovietunit.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Capitalism-Socialism-Communism.png'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's marx?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Haven't a clue :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'I've a wiki run on all the forms of economy planned for a while though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'looks like it. i might be wrong about the exact author, but it's outdated and idealized'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Everyone has an ideal dream for society. '
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it doesn't really fit into the argument here'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'since it's an old-school utopian communist theory'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that old-school utopian communist theory was penned by bankers'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Marx and his peers was championed and bankrolled'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were*'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Hm. Outta curiosity, how would you guys optimally want to see the world?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i vote social democrat. socially liberal, economically conservative'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strong, small sovereign countries with a high degree of local-level democracy, to allow disparate viewpoints to find happiness. Small government, strong communities, International oversight only to oversea/ward against wars'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally economically conservative, politically libertarian, socially lessez-faire'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'altho liberal and conservative mean different things in europe and the states'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The most long lived society was the old egyptians, so maybe we should build pyramids? :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that different, liberal means the same thing in USA and Europe, and in both cases the modern interpretation is largely an antithesis of it's traditional meaning'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'our neo-liberal right-wing party would be far left in the states'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Liberal and conservative means nothing and are only words used by politicians.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why the meaning changes, Ranrr. Washington was a liberal'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Lincoln was a conservative'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Better to say what you mean instead of using relative terms.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama/Soros and crew claim they're liberal, whereas they're clearly not'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they're center-right'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, Ranrr, had lengthy argument with some friends about the uselessness of a 1-dimensional description of a political view, i.e the left-right paradigm'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Left and right are also pointless terms.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need at the very least 2 dimensions to describe a viewpoint, and preferably more'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am extremely left on some issues and extremely right on some others.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, even one axis describes some aspects. i usually think in two tho'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notice Dagnire jumps in with "center right" whereas not 5 minutes ago he used at least 2 axis to describe himself'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i'm glad he agrees'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, i just said so'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so projecting onto a 2-dimensional axis, Dagnir is in the socialist, libertarian quadrant, i'm in the conservative libertarian quadrant. Obama is in the socialist authoritarian quadrant, the GOP are in the conservative autoritarian quadrant. Even these descriptions aren't accurate as they don't reflect the interdependence between chunks'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Obama is not a socialist, he's right wing.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in some respects he appears more extreme right than Bush, but I believe that's your bad projection onto inadequate axis talking again'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are no socialist politicians in the US. At least not in any position of power.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'like, seriously. he could be a socialist by american standards, but compared to european socialists he's extreme right wing'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you're looking at huge tax rises to fund social welfare and increasing federal government'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why not complain about defence spending?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You mean tax rises to pay for stupid debt caused by stupid wars?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only, but including'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's where your extreme right comes in, he's continuing all the foreign wars'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, technically, the congress, not the president, decides on that.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supposedly, but not the case anymore'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, hence the technically.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftNXx_tHrKg'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'Government gets rich = good, Insurance companies get rich = bad?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the former is beneficial for everyone'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, not really because they would spend it on a cruise missile that blows up a pakistani school'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but in theory it's better'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'I really fail to see what role government should be having in medical care.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, it works for everyone else and keeps the costs way lower'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could equally argue, what role do insurance companies have in medical care'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the answer to both questions should be "none", it's health practicioners that provide healthcare, not government or insurance companies'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so you're arguing for no insurance whatsoever?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from experience, i'd prefer a system of very basic insurance coverage by the state through general taxation, with improved terms available via insurance companies'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: different countries fund medicare differently because the proclivity of the population to be corrupt is different'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'insurance companies are an extra middleman -- they add to the cost of medical healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, in the Gary Allen 14 steps to oppression, how many of those steps were initiated by Republicans'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you read the book, you'll realise that it doesn't matter which group initiates them'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's both'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'tiger, did they catch Banksy?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"catch"?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'read a note that they had it in custody(police), but only seen 2 articles, you heard anything?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'maybe this is an art piece'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republican version of step 8 is " An official declaration that Communist/Socialist organizations are subversive and subsequent legal action taken to suppress them"'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banksy himself? no'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i see thanks'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite, zade, it would anti-liberty/anti-patriot/anti-capitalist/anti-freemarket organisations'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/banksy_arrest_hoax'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it references the clamp down on dissent, not on the existance of the organisations itself'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which was seen in the McCarthy era and more recenly by Republicans equating Socialism directly to Communism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism is described as the route to collectivising and amassing power in the hands of the ruling elite'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communism is a way of selling that to people'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Communism does not work, so Communism does not sell'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it sells'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just disagree with it'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'Tigernuts, where did you get that definition of socialism?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a definition of socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he got it from Animal Farm'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are not going to sell Communism to anybody that was oppressed by Comminism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a description of the way socialism is applied like a tool as a means to an end'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Socialism sells because socialism works'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts chortles mischievously.
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it works like a hole in the head'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'socialism doesn't work.  Human nature pretty much guarantees it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'So you're not saying that socialism is bad, but only the way we implement it, correct?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decently-regulated Socialism is totally compatible with decently-regulated Free-enterprise and decently-regulated Capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'I kind of like socialism.  Social Security keeps a few of my older relatives afloat.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not inherently evil, if that's what you mean by bad, but it is ideologically flawed'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for socialism to work it requires a very large degree of concensus among the population you implement it in'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is the very few examples of countries where it works are extremely resource rich, small populations'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Like N. Korea, e.g.?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'N. Korea is not socialist'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'North Korea is all about Juche and communism.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the laws of nature and evolution do indicate that socialism works, so "the laws of" human nature does permit Socialism to work'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do not, zade'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, you are not looking hard enough'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're conflating two things, governance and community'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'don't get trapped in labels'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism requires consensus and a benevolent transparent governance, it really only works at a community level, hence the less likely it is to work the larger the size of your governed group'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is resource rich (to hear Rizgoth talk of Oil independence), yet is the USA socialist -- yes and no, depending om how hard the look for (lurking) socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'So you're saying the US is just one big happy community?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly the US isn't one community'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'So would you like to retract your previous statment then?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact that you're trying to impose one set of values on it that doesn't fit everyone means you get argument'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a lot of (hidden?) socialism in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would i retract it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'You said socialism works only at a community level.  Medicare, Social Security, Obamacare, ect, are definitely not on a community level'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why the USA was set up as a constitutional republic - some basic laws around defence, human rights, and interstate trading, with the rest of the powers devolved to the states themselves'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they work worse the bigger they become, haladin'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Education of children is socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'Public Schools are also really nifty.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'public schools are currently fucking awful'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'I think we're going to have to disagree on that.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'Public schools < Homeschooling.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'Can you cite facts, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what that public schools are awful?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'Yeah, If you're going to make a statement like that, I would like to see some sources.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so if the public svhools were sabotaged, (another topic:) from where did the sabotage come.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from your plummeting literacy and numeracy rates?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the public schools are not that bad -- the USA seems to be doing okay'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have got worse the more that centralised government have taken control over them'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same in the UK, they were administered at a county level'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'I'm just asking for a few sources.  Just point me where you're getting that opinion from.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well I hate to burst your bubble, but an opinion is not something that is factual'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'http://images.collegeathome.com.s3.amazonaws.com/homeschool-domination.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well say "give me sources why your favourite colour is black"'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the plummeting literacy is partly from the deceptive blatant-lying language used by political parties'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the accusatory logic used by USA political activists to smear opponents is ruining decent-logic nuances'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'I can think of some places that can show me hard statistics on standarized tests.  I'm just trying to see if you can show me where you are getting your facts from is all.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no standardised tests in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the problem'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'You brought the USA into that equation, though.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'look at how inadequately common USAmericans talk, and note the similarity to political smear campaigns'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by all means, link to your stats'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'many USAmericans no longer use superlatives carefully -- many examples in this debate channel'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'I never said I had any.  I was just questioning yours.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'misuse of superlatives is already almost colloquial idiomatic -- what they mean and what they said don't jive grammatically'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'I am guessing that the common 17th century english speaking peasant would think we've butchered the language.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'assuming you could even understand them'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British improved the English language  (medieval english was in a shambles before the unification)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/dec/01/adults-england-poor-numeracy'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just some background of the kind of levels you're talking about'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that may be true, but there was still a lot of slang and misuse of the language back then.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'Could the current state of the way we speak just be considered the evolution of the language?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'could and is.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evolve would suggest improvement'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not necessarily'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily, but to the general public it would imply that'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'evolution doesn't only result in good mutations'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'to the general public who don't understand what evolution means, maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is the problem'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'I hope that when I am old and grey, no words will be longer than 5 letters lon and incorporate numbers.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: ''no words will incorporate numbers'?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a recent example of superlative misuse: [23 Feb 04:32:28] (Debate) Anaristos: 'the only reason one wouldn't want ... is because ....' <-- note the idiomatic grammatically painful misuse of the superlative "only"'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was that his global government point?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '1ndv61tab<y'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Haladin: 'l8ter doodz, gotta go 2 work.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '[23 Feb 04:32:28] (Debate) Anaristos: 'the only reason one wouldn't want one world government is because they enjoy territorial strife...''
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are lots of other reasons'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, that was a pretty retarded comment'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then again, there's the notion of pk...'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not wanting to bash the same drum repeatedly, but: http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/dec/01/adults-england-poor-numeracy'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, wrong url'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHmxY7zE5uc&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damned broken clipboard'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you know that socialization is contagious?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite believe it'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the French language requires an overhaul, namely: changing the possessives to reflect the gender of the possessor (not the possessed),  eliminating gender from inanimate objects, discarding most of those unnecessary accents, ...'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you forgot the use of double-negatives.  No nunca nada = I don't have nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the French language also uses a lot of subjunctives -- doubt whether many USAmericans even know what a subjunctive is -- some USAmerican officials don't use the proper verb tense (singular plural) to coincide with the subject'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and to make it simpler, similar words should be combined.  "Es" and "Esta'" both mean the same thing (they are forms of the verb "to be", but are used in separate scenarios (es is for things such as "the sky is blue", while esta' is used for intangibles like "I am happy").'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a USAmerican doesn't get the tenses right, then subjunctives are likely to be massacred'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and just look at the chinks.  You can either insult or compliment someone using the same exact word, depending on how you inflected.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I don't think you can compliment someone by calling them a chink'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Russian, double negatives reinforce each other -- in English, double negatives are supposed to cancel each other, except when used by the deliberately illiterate'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Pink Floyd: ",, don't need no education" -- at least they got that right, they likely do require an education.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the etymology: "another chink in the Wall" -- the Great Wall of China is a great industrial feat -- supposed to be a compliment ;) '
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'see, now you're just trolling like a backwoods redneck on a motorboat.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a lot of Socialism in the USA -- proponents of USAmerican socialism ought to remind the lying Republicans that the USA is already socialist'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'supporting a military complex is also a form of Socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US is not socialist, it merely has socialist aspects.  No single pure concept is ever going to work, which is why you don't ever see a pure democracy, a pure socialist, etc.  Everything around you is a precise blend of different concepts designed to address the perceived needs of the people.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'building infrastructures: roads, railways, airports, canals, etcetera is also Socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a devil's advocate, i'm going to state, quite categorically (at least idiomatically), that the USA is extremely Socialist '
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you don't see the socialism in the USA, you are likely taking all that socialism for granted'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'IME, most people who want to get rid of the socialism are very likely to be taking it for granted'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when opponents criticise socialism, they are criticizing *defective* examples of socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when opponents criticise capitalism, they are criticizing *defective* examples of (badly regulated) greedy ruinous capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the world is overpopulated -- decent socialism that works unobtrusively is likely required'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'parts of the world are overpopulated. the US is not'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is a resource hog -- the USA is grossly overpopulated from that perspective'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, i'm not cricizing *defective* examples of socialism, i'm criticising socialism, period'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the world being overpopulated has no impact on the necessity or efficacy of socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'either be unobtrusively socialist, or prepare for pestilence famine war death'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about prepare'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesnt' require giving up all of my rights and earnings'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'permitting you, the privilege of earnings, is a form of socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"permitting"? who the fuck do you think you are? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the world, permitting you the privilege of earnings  is a form of socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'WATCH YO' LANGUAGE YOUNG BOY!'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Greyrainbow slaps Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is not the job of government to permit me to work, or prevent me'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it is the job of the government to make and maintain the roads and traffic regulation that enable you to get to work, though'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'with the name Tigernuts, I can never take you seriously.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'building and maintaining roads is socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'police departments are socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Calvin and Hobbes, Tigr'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says the person named "greyrainbow" :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'police departments are facism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'Woah, I wasn't bashin.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'bashing*'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA doles out a lot of foreign aid and monies to (foreign governments and) foreign countries -- that is Socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'Did you know debating is debating? That should start a good debate about debting on debating.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Xibit here, we heard you liked debating, so we put a debate in your debate, so you can debate while you debate'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the language of debating, perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police, socialism, rofl'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without a decent police provided by socialism, the there are a lot of wannabe criminals ready to deprive you of the socialist-provided earnings'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism doesn't provide police, nor does it provide my earnings'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'last I checked police departments are government agencies run by tax funding for the maintenance of society'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police departments are enforcement wings on the robber barons'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have a secondary function of protecting the public'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you go off and believe the world would be better off without law enforcement in your fantasy world'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the concept of socialism is what provides the infrastructure for a decent police-force'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said that, fiendish?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'fire departments are socialism too'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simply picking things that are good within a community and labelling them as "socialism" doesn't make it any truer'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'they are socialism because you don't get a choice to not pay for the services of the police or fire department. because you SHOULDN'T get a choice'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when fire-departments in England first started, only those able to prepay for fire-department services received assistance '
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people do have the choice'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'because everyone pays in fairly and everyone gets service when they need it'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't make it socialist'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'that is exactly socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it is the definition of socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does not have to be paid for by everyone at all'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it could be paid for by a single person'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wih the Tigernuts non-socialist police-force, only those that prepaid to the police force 'd receive protection from robbery etcetera '
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would prefer peace keepers that use the law as a tool to keep the peace and protect people and their property from misdeeds of others, than a police force'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'that's a cute non-distinction'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'non-distinction between what?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you haven't said how "peace keepers" is fundamentally different from "police"'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, it was encapsulated by that and my previous sentance.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'no, it wasn't'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police departments are the enforcement arm of the robber baron governments'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'that's just an ad hominem'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'let me put it to you plan and simple cops are evil'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the Tigernuts world of no-socialism, if somebody was murdered, the police only investigate if the victiim was prepaid to receive an investigation  (somebody did a joke scenario about prepaid police-services in a movie or tvseries)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they ain't all evil, edicius'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: '"I don't like policemen. So let me get rid of those policemen and replace them with these policemen."'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'is what you just said'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I could totally see that, about specific policemen.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'which says nothing about how they are funded or what role they serve'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree with this statement, let's come up with some bollocks to try and prove my point'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'cause lets face it - some cops are dicks.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i havent met a cop in my life i ever liked'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i said exactly descripbes the role they serve'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some criminals are even worse dicks'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'to protect the people?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no problem with police being paid out of general taxation'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'who else is gonna pay them? the private sector?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'charity sector or private sector, and i don't think it a good idea for either of those'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no exclusively, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the government is a million times worse'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do you want the unregulated mafia running things -- some great documentaries on an USAmerican city  about how callous those mobsters were when the judiciary and public officials was accepting mob payoffs to permit blatant murders -- (juries were scared to convict)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what difference is there to the serfs whether the mafia is regulated or not?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instead of giving us the option to have a regulated or unregulated mafia, why can't we have no mafia?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'so to recap: "I hate socialism, but paying for a government run security force out of general taxation is a good idea."'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'security force?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police aren't security forces'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'pedantry'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'pick whatever word you want'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a rose by any other name'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'police are a gang just like the bloods the krips theyre financed by the government'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'not the gangs but the police'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paying for basic services out of taxation isn't unique to socialism, and doesn't accurately describe it'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the krips weren't financed by the government'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i know i worded that wrong'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'accomodating the needs of everyone by taxing different amounts as determined by a fair take from the wealthy individual and poor individual alike in order to provide equal services to both is nothing but socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what you said though'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was History channel documentary on the Bloods and the Krips -- educational'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'that is how taxes work'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'forcing everyone to buy into a program regardless of whether they want to or not because the program serves the betterment of society is socialis'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'taxation is socialism -- may explaun why Tigernuts dislikes socialism -- the taxation'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dislike socialism when it infringes into services and provision that are not necessary to be provided by government, and infringes on rules and regulations that unduly restricts and interferes in peoples lives'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'define necessary'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'paved roads are not necessary'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it cannot easily be defined'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'electricity is not necessary'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electricity is not provided by socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paved roads are not paid by socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'don't be daft. cabling infrastructure and roads both are produced by government funding'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'electricity isnt necessary'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'they absolutely are'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are paid for by road users'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you wish'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cabling infrastructure is paid for by private companies'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if there were no taxation at all in the past, there'd be far less services -- Tigernuts may not've even received an education at all, and be unable to earn anything these days other than a pittance from some greedy exploitive "robber baron" j'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'even toll roads are not paid for solely by road users. non toll roads certainly aren't. and cabling infrastructure is magnanimously subsidized'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, zade, i'll stop working and you can pay for it all'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone can'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except you'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you can't do anything unless we agree to it'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'you always bear the burden of that enormous strawman?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how dare i, you two have been providing so many strawman that the animals won't have anything to sleep on or eat this winter'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cable, tv, satellite, electricity, are oligarchies (or momopolies) protected by government -- a form of *socialist* protection for a few companies'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the government says that citisens are not permitted to pirate tv-signals -- that is socialism (protecting a few exploitive robber barons)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it sets up monopolies to benefit the establishment elite and uses law to protect them'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'so what can be done about that'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't let people like Zade run governments'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ttigernuts is not to be permitted to run governments'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have no desire or intention to'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who want power are generally the last people suited to it'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'let si from duck dynasty run the government'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with Tigernuts running things, there be a lot of suffering and extreme poverty'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Why would I want to run a government?  The people are so unruly these days.  Much better to run a religion.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'religion is the last thing i would want to run'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the vatican has more crap under their carpets then pretty much anything on this planet'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt we'll start hearing about it soon'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got to demonise all the worlds' religions!'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is practicing how to influence othters on debate -- likely wants to change how the world is run -- so don't believe Tigernuts not wanting to run '
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'it might be some good stuff to hear'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'step 1: invent your own religion. step 2: ??? step 3: prophet!'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time to burn your strawman, zade'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Religions are a form of extra taxation'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'all the world religions need to realize there is one god if there is a god '
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wickerman, Tigernuts, wickerman'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'religion invented taxation'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a damned site lower than it is now'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but the religious wars were murder'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'yea in the name of god'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the name of a false god'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'it was more a genecide wasnt it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'yea'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'if you pick out cultures that arent like your own or race and slaughter them thats a form of it?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US national parks budget was $3.2 billion in 2012.....but they only raised $280 million from fees and concessions......'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're probably paying too many nazi roid-heads with iq's of 75 strutting around harassing the public, giving tickets for drinking beer'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'if they weren't giving tickets, then those fees and concessions would be even less'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'just sayin'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US national parks dept has 21,000 employees....up almost 3000 employees since 2009'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and would cost them less, leinei'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the budge in 2009?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'budget*'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How is that different than any other government organization?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Isn't that the point of taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I say raise the damn fees to enter the parks......over 100 million people visited the national parks last year.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to provide a worse service while wasting more money, leinei?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not everyone thinks preserving national parks are a waste, sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Seniors get the best deal of all....their golden pass is $20 a year to go to the parks.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why does it cost $3.2bn?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i wasn't the one who thought that income from parks had to pay for it, leinei'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Most of those seniors who go to the parks have big expensive RVs......they can afford more than $20 a year.....if I have to pay $60 a year, so can they.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'preserving national parks is fine, but it needs to pay its own way.....from resource development, to concessions, to higher fees for entry.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'National Parks are socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Should the military "pay for itself", too?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The military is not a fee making enterprise.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the parks are.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'no they're not'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'concessionares pay on avg about 1% of income to the govt for the right to sell in the parks.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe Leinei is right, they were given as free public access'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Military is socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'the national park service is part of the US cabinet department'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ranchers pay on avg $1 per acre to lease federal park grasslands to raise beef that they then sell for $12 a lb in the store.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'we don't expect the department of education to make money, do we?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apples to oranges again.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Ranchers are also taxed on their profits '
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'they also maintain about 400 national units, in addition to the national parks'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'universal Education is socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Raise the fee for universal entry to national parks to $120 per year....everyone pays, and the federal govt gets 12.5% of profit from concessions.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better yet, 12.5% of revenue.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the DoD (and CIA maybe) used to subsidise the Universities of the USA with special projects -- student fees were a lot less then -- more socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'should I have to pay every time I go to the beach?  because they spend money to maintain that, too'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the USA government was subsidising the Universities of the USA with special projects, those were the boom-times for the Universities'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Marshal plan of post-WWII was socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The mouse that roared" was a joke (and extremely lame) movie based on the socialism that the USA provided to those conquered by the USA'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Fees for the parks used to be much higher in past years, but then the fees were dropped in favor of the $20 golden pass to seniors and a $60 or so fee for everyone else per year.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And since then the parks have been falling apart because of a lack of maintenance money from the fees.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Leinei, when you walk out the front door, to walk on the public streets, perhaps a Tigernuts toll booth to extract some coin from you (and remind you how grand no-socialism-at-all is)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This year, many parks will have much less 'open' hours, and if you go, you will be given a ticket if there are no park rangers in the park at that time.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'Apparently, Tigertesticals wants nobody to socialise, that would suck.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're getting what you deserve :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'It would be like "Hi Jim" "I am Jim, get back to work"'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, Gray, socializing is contagious.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i dislike using toll roads'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: '"Hey Jim, how's the family?" "I am Jim, I don't have a family, because I have no friends, I am a robot."'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're 33% more likely to be a jerk, if your boss or your boss's boss or even just a friend's boss in another company happens to be a jerk.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '.. The distant future. The year 2000.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'serfs under socialism can only have friends that big brother approves of'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have too many friends, the excess will be removed'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and given to people with no friends'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'too late for that, Tiger.  Thanks to the Zuckerberg clan, everyone's friends with everyone now.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'I don't think what will happen.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'peasants under no-socialism can only have friends that big robber-baron approves of -- (counterexample)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, they ain't :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a counterexample. next'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'It would be better if EVERYONE was friends.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want to force everyone to be friends with everyone else, gr?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, without globalisation, you can have your socialist paradise in your sovereign country and live in utopia'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Space-defense against large comet strikes is likely to be Socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with world government, you're subject to the dictate of people with whom you may not share any ideals, culture, or outlook'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'Wait Tigernuts, you're saying nobody should be friends?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'And that noone should socialise?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should be friends with whomever you want to be friends with'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'OOOOhhhhh, I'm taking Tigernuts's side then.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade wants your friends to be only government pre-approved'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with nonsocialist capitalism, the peasants require to never offend the capitalists providing the jobs'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the interests of fairness, of course, they have to be the right 'sort' of friends, they have to conform to the norm, and you must be seen not to be having more than your fair share'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not even true either, zade'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you're talking about is fascism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'counter-idiocy: Tigernuts wants your friends to be only capitalist pre-approved''
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he didn't say that'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'Oh.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Well, as long as our space program only protects us from asteroids that are going to hit the US, amirite?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't have a space program'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'I don't know who's side to take, but I just want everyone to be friends with whoever they want and anyone could be friends.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'we don't?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, you rely on other countries to put stuff in space now'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'we don't have a shuttle program.  we still have a space program'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'there's a huge difference'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck throwing it as hard as you can, then'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of US rockets are pew-pewing into space still.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'we still have unmanned spacecraft...'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We will have a new space going vehicle in oh, a couple decades.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a space-program to deflect comets is unlikely to be funded by individual capitalists'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've got one coming sooner than that, riz :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a space-program is socialist'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a space-program to deflect comets is not likely to be funded, ever.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'private companies are going to take over the space launch business.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and they will go to the moon, and mars.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the moon, probably, assuming China doesn't get there first and try to shoot down anyone else who follows.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where is the positive money revenue in going to Mars -- zip'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'space tourism & mining, generally'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'science'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eventually there'll be a market for materials made in space'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'space tomatoes, included'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scaling back public funding of the space programs was the stupidest choice made'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some forms of science are funded mainly by socialism (even if the contracts are tendered to and by free-enterp[rise)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a strategic driver of technology'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It cost over $500 million for each shuttle launch.....the damn thing was supposed to fly 6-10 times a year....but we did a fraction of that.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it opens up the door for competition, and if private companies have to pay for the fuel then obviously they're going to focus on driving those costs down in some way.  That means progress in the propulsion and energy sciences.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'doubt that any capitalist company is able to justify half-a-billion dollars per launch 5x per year'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Not really, because govt will fund the programs, just not do them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't be half a billion dollar launch'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next generation of engines reduce cost of payload to orbit by a factor of 20'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'Don't want to be a dick, but Capitalism makes alot of money which helps the economy.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'MONEYYY'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when government is funding the space-programs, that is Socialism (even if out-sourced)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Space-Race funded and developed a lot of new technologies -- courtesy of Socialism'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ideal is a constitutional republic of smaller locally governed blocks where local culture and demography influences the specific priorities in those areas, where there is a government big enough and (socialist) enough to provide the basic services that are either essential to the wellbeing and operating of that society, or as optionals, are impractical/inefficient to be offered privately'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'global and small Wars were funded by Governments, developed a lot of new technologies -- again: Socialism!'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts, why are you so concerned about the US in the first place? everything ok at home?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'locally governed blocks, as in poor coloreds and the rich whites, may leads to disparities in education and infrastructure -- unobtrusive Socialism is meant is remedy inequalities'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when a third wold country discovers oil and mineral resources -- a lot of money is able to be earned -- but when earned by only a few, the poor populace is being robbed'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Socialism is meant to ensure that everybody benefits greatly from the resources, not merely a few anti-socialist capitalists'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'socialism and capitalism aren't mutually exclusive'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some say Jesus Christ was a socialist -- but the greedy republicans unwilling to share the wealth deny this fact'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus had an irrational hatred of the Romans'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I really doubt he would want you to give your shit to those fucktards'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in fact, that was kinda why he rampaged through the synogogue.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decently-regulated socialism, decently-regulated free-enterprise, decently-regulated capitalism -- are compatible with and use each other -- as Jesus Christ said: nobody had too much, nobody had too little (and Jesus didn't mean that cynically, where the starving are said (by antisocialists) "to not have too little" (because the poor likely deserve to starve for not being rich enough))'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, at the end of the day, regardless of when the workers started to work, whether they worked all day or for less than an hour -- Jesus paid them all the same wage'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'don't know how the anti-socialist Republicans and Libertarians argue around that same-amount-paid-to-workers parable -- likely skip past the parable and hope nobody mentions the parable'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the irony is that the socialism-denying Republicans use Christianity as a political platform'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the christian capitalists likely argue that Jesus chased the money-changers out of the Temple for desecrating the holiness of the Temple, and then say that Jesus was for Capitalism, since Jesus paid taxes to the Romans (coin found in the fish)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus even ***equivocated*** with: "Give to Caesar that which is Caesar's, and to God which is God's" '
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"equivocated" as in "What is Caesar's, when God owns everything" -- "maybe don't give Caesar anything, or maybe only give to Caesar that which Caesar is able to take, and when Caesar can't take, don't give Caesar anything, unless you like (giving to) Caesar"'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has he gone?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '("profaning" not "desecrating")'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(good english is like a breath of fresh air)'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I speak good english'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fauja Singh, from Ilford east london complete his final competitive race, hong kong quarter marathon in 1hr 32 minutes 28 seconds'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is 101 years old'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and all the youngin's cry "he's pretty spry for an old guy!"'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dr Oz said "the faster you walk, the longer you live" '
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't the Oscars supposed to be going tonight?'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Oscars are noticeably biased'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, really? </saracasm>'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and where do those that select the Oscar nominations get the time to watch all those films to shortlist down to the nominations even watching the shortlist must be tedious'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the arbitrary self-worshipping nature and inexplicable award targets, i would say  .. they don't actually watch those movies'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe they sleep through or skip the viewings, then vote according to what they believe is both politically-correct and likely to please those providing career jobs'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds more likely'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern movies of late have suffered from being "a bit shit, really"'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the People's Choice awards rigged'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usually a very small volunteer-based vote, so yes, they are biased'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is only one vote more rigged that all of that, and that is the GOP candidate race'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'GOP doesn't have nothing on the Democrats.'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't remember hearing much about corruption in their leader election'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to the extent of wiping out the votes of entire counties, removing candidates from polls, and biasing airtime coverage'
T3/r7/2013-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'Fruity Pebbles over all opposition.'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'There was some outrage due to an American school's cultural club members reciting the pledge of allegiance in Arabic.'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, the govt wants to tap into the 401k program that investors have, and give iou's that promise a 3% interest rate for the loans.  Americans have a littleover $17 trillion in 401k's'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It would also get rid of the tax benefits of the 401k.'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps tap into the trillions owned by the excessively rich instead of the mere 17 trillion of the 401k (which won't last long with current spending by the government)'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhap tax the excessively rich at a higher rate'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'as I see it, we need to do 3 things...  tax cap gains at the same graduated rates as ordinary income, pull back our military from wars/foreign bases, and quit subsidizing billion+ dollar corporations.'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I don't much like the idea of raising the highest rates any higher, combined with state/local taxes, sales taxes, etc, the rich are already paying in over half what they make back in taxes.  I don't care how excessively rich you are, giving up more than half your paycheck in taxes is excessive'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and it punishes those legitimately playing by the rules, while many afluent folks will shelter their income so as not to pay those rates'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They also get many more loopholes, deductions, and credits which reduce their effective tax rate.'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich are excessively rich because their earnings are (too) high. so taxing extremely-rich individuals at 50% or higher is okay'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'right - and I think those are where we need to take a closer look at.  AMT was designed to prevent too much excessive loopholing, but it doesn't stop you from not earning the money on paper in the first place, sheltering it in trusts/corps/off shore'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those are desperate times in the USA -- raise and keep the taxes high on the excessively rich until the national debt is eliminated'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'paying off the national debt would be destructive....Never going to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently there is too much "graft" persuading politicians to pander to the rich -- give the rich an incentive to reduce the national debt to 0 with a suplus -- high taxes while there is either a debt or a deficit'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'how would it be destructive, rizgoth?'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'also, I could be persuaded (lol like I have a say in it) to support a tax hike as a "war tax", that terminates when we are not at war'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because almost $7 trillion of that debt is owned by foreign govts, if we transfered $7 trillion in cash back to them, it would cause untold problems in the US, it would need to be spread out over 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without a cogent explanation odf that conjectured nonsense by Rizgoth , Rizgoth is not to be believed'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth did not yet explain why enriching foreign governments is bad'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the $7 trillion in debt was incurred in less than 12 years - the Rizgoth nonsense says the 50 years is required to reverse the debt -- so Rizgoth is unbelievable'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll take at least 50 years unless you declare bankruptcy'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you have a credible plan to pay it off otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope? i rest my case'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'put me in charge, i don't care who i offend to get the job done -- but i shall be fair (maybe not to the excessively rich)'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that still isn't a plan'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would you DO'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if poor are taxed, they hurt.  But if the excessively rich are taxed, they don' hurt, so tax the excessively rich'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think you can pay off the national debt by taxing the rich?'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is more to be done than tax the excessively rich'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get that backpedalling in :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't enough rich people to even put a dent in the debt, and that's even if you could get them to pay more tax... which you cannot'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(not significantly, anyway)'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(repeat): wrong Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not wrong, it's right and has been proven right over and over and over and over and over again'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you tax rich people punatively, they either stop paying themselves taxable income, or they move'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And it would be easy for most CEOs and rich people to run their countries from say bermuda.'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so they move - and lose their USAmerican income'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'companies that is.'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't lose their american income, they'll turn it into wherever they go to income'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tax foreign run companies at a higher tax rate -- the rich are not going to avoid paying taxes be moving'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see, that proves you don't know what you're talking about'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't be foreign companies'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you plan on becoming Cuba or North Korea and preventing any movement of capital and/or services into or out of the country'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no matter what you come up with to defraud Americans, i am able to come up with a remedy -- the rich are going to pay a lot of taxes'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are not, they will not, you're deluding yourself'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Tigernuts, the rich shall pay dearly'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pats Zade on his head.
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so in answer to the previous question, you have NO credible plan for reversing the debt'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'don't be a patronising twerp'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you let yourself in for that kind of ridicule when you come up with such patently absurd nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'actually, no matter what disaster befalls the USA and the UK, i shall be entertained '
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dead maybe'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i reincarnate'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good for you'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad for you -- this is the benign Zade'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Beretta tells Maryland it'll move it's operation out of state if they instigate laws counter to the second amendment'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which can only be good news for Texas'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, we will welcome them.'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too right'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even give them some tax breaks for a few years to sweeten the deal.'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'does Beretta make good guns'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'GM is going to put wifi hotspots in all year 2014 vehicles.'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good a reason as any not to buy one'
T3/r7/2013-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there, done my activist bit for the day, wrote to my local rag'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, administration has released several hundred immigrants free from a detention centre to save money'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'official reason was to save money, it has the money to grope your kids at airports and set up checkpoints all over the country, can afford to buy 7000 assault rifles for feds for "personal protection" and buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition, but can't afford to keep locked up or deport a few hundred illegals'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's what you call "bullshit"'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much like every single horror story being told about the sequester'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK central (privately owned) bank discusses setting a negative interest rate'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'isn't that called a grant?'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'means it would charge banks to hold deposits'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which could mean banks charging customers for holding a balance'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lorddylan: 'What? why would anyone pay for that?'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? because they had little choice'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your supreme court needs firing'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'whoa, mood swing.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'but nobody really gets moody on this channel...'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that, bubba? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's when a local nutjob randomly decides to switch rants in the middle of their diatribe.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, it tracks me catching up on the news'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i'm sorry you're having trouble, i'll stick to one tribe at a time'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it's an issue, especially since our credit got downgraded and t he currency is being devalued'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has me scratching my head at what to do'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of banks, did you hear about that lady who lost 2 full years of income because she was transferring her money into someone else's account?'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deliberately?'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was a typo, but apparently HSBC doesn't really care where the money goes so long as it wasn't their mistake.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not unknown for people to have suffered companies setting up regular payments from their accounts and then not being able to do anything at all to prevent them'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she was the owner of the company, and she was paying herself from the company account.  She was attempting to put it into her private account, but instead it went to some random stranger.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then she's a dumbarse'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'said stranger pulled it out from the ATM, so apparently the bank can't just go after the guy for "stolen funds" or whatever it is they slap you with for bank errors.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The U.S. Supreme Court today essentially put the government's expanded terror surveillance program beyond legal challenge, tossing out a lawsuit filed by a group of lawyers, journalists, and civil rights groups who claimed they were improperly swept up in the law's reach.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what i was saying that your supreme court needing firing for, riz'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've basically become a rubber stamp for whatever constitution-trampling bullshit spews out of Obama's arsehole that day'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Justice Samuel Alito is just plain wrong'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'have they decided yet the legality of bringing a drug K9 to someone's doorstop and using that 'alert' as reasonable cause?'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, but i believe it's been used already'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could argue that "not letting police in without a reason or warrant" is due course'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think I saw a blurb on the news scroller saying it was allowed, but I was paying more attention to the bigger picture about the weather.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simple solution, shoot the k9 unit'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'never shoot the dog.  It's like diddling a kid.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'They're considered peace officers here in the US...'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't have peace officers any more'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure we do, they patrol malls and parking lots.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only peace officers you have are sheriffs and their deputies'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Today congress passed a suplemental bill adding $1 million to the CIA budget to provide money to Britains MI6 to set up a survelliance unit to watch Tigernuts.....:p'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'state and fed cops are 'law enforcement' which are not the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are coming to get you !'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they were providing them money so they can kill rogue agents, seal their bodies in large holdalls, then claim it was suicide'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not all police departments are under local control'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'We still have local police, which at least here in my state, are still referenced as 'peace officers' in the statutes'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or better still, hire asians to infiltrate budding jihadi cells and have them blow up tube trains killing dozens of people'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and other such fantastic uses of our money not'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't, blowing shit up isn't the asian style.  They prefer the bioweapons.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they blew up a bus with a backpack bomb. the other guy was late getting onto his tube, so they had to blow that up with a trackside bomb planted earlier by the Israeli run security'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using the fact that there was an anti-terrorism drill going on at the exact same time. Where have we heard that before? hrmm'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'Tiger, you're talking about the tubes that the World Wide Web comes through ? :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, you mean the crazians, yeah...'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tube trains'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'london underground'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mushambo: 'Ohhh...the gap!'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should use suicide bombers to blow up the terrorists....just pay the families of each recuit, a small stipend per month......we would get thousands of middle east recruits.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the jihadis infiltrated a clothing store?'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without the feds goading them on, they couldn't blow their way out of a paper bag'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feds actively go out seeking jihadi's with low IQs then use them as patsy's to plot a bombing, then arrest them to show the country how badly they need all this money pissed up the wall on anti-terrorism, and how they need all this surveillance/authoritarian bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gets a bit old after a while'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A three-ounce serving of roast horse has 149 calories, 24 grams of protein, and five grams of fat. The same amount of beef tenderloin has 179 calories, 24 grams of protein, and nine grams of fat. Horse milk, which some Central Asians drink in fermented form, has one-third the fat of cow's milk.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the reason we dont eat horse is pure economics....it is cheaper to eat beef.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riz, hurry up and get your country back, i want to move there'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are Western and Western-backed asian satellite companies taking PressTV off the air?'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's PressTV?'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a multi-language Persian TV station'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, Persia is what Iran used to be...'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a semi-private semi-state media outlet, much like RT is to Russia, BBC is to the UK, or MSNBC is to the USA'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, ground venison, chili packet, pinto beans and tomato sauce....'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'quick and dirty chili with beans?'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nodnod, good stuff'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love chili.....ostrich, beef, venison, tvp, chicken, pork, all is good.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even black bear.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bison is really good, and so is reindeer, or moose.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's tvp?'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'textured vegetable protein'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why not just say tofu?'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because it is called tvp :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bacon, beef or chili flavored tvp'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why would you want to eat tvp that tastes like real meat?'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because it is really cheap compared to meat, and when you mix it with meat it extends it.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's like a lesbian using a real-dick dildo, with all the veins and stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you have first hand experience? :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I even asked them why, but they made me go sleep on the couch.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but this deer meat was shot about 3 months ago.....'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I always add beans or tvp to my chili.....I like it that way.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, cattle are much more efficient at turning grass into energy compared to horses.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hospitals in the US are a major ripoff....Some guy was billed $474,000 for 4 days in a hospital.....including 139 blood checks at $40 each, $50,000 for a ventilator, those little white cups that medicine come in...$10 each, it goes on and on....'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'healthcare reform is needed.  Put everyone on medicare.'
T3/r7/2013-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'medicare is the most efficient healthcare program in the world.....less than 2% of the cost is administration compared to an avg admin cost of 23% for private insurance.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Italy has pissed on the EU-Goldman Sachs parade'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US dairy industry petitioning FDA to approve aspartame as a hidden, unlabelled additive to milk and other dairy products'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Sugar addictions are good for you'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gas prices went up here gain, 3rd time in 2 weeks'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aspartame isn't sugar, tinada, sugar is far healthier'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be frank, he can be Dennis'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/01/19/the-shocking-story-of-how-aspartame-became-legal/'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will be news to many, not to me ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'i know'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'make your own aspartame....get some formaldahyde, dry it, scrape up what is left over, and put on your corn flakes. :p'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd prefer cane sugar'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, would prefer honey on toast, or maybe some free range eggs, boiled'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I use honey.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas honey.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couple of boiled eggs, some honey on toast using local honey, home made bread'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'type of quality food i don't currently get :-('
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone used to eat that way before industrialized food came along.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's enough to know that they believe in nanny state, strict regulation of anything and everything, and are anti-ownership, anti-choice, and anti-freedom''
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and when they worked manual labour so used up those 3000 calories a day'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'working on the family farm used up a lot of calories :)'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i thought you were against regulation, nuts'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'flat-rolled sandwich bread spread with jam, rolled, dipped in an egg-and-cream batter, fried in butter on medium-low heat until golden brown, and sprinkled with powdered sugar or syrup.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i am against teh vast majority of regulation, yes'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they channel has a cave troll....'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am in favor of getting rid of big industrial farms, and going back to the small and medium sized family farms, and co-ops...which is what existed before the big corporate farms.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be good, ria'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riz*'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more likely there than here'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'co-op sounds awful lot like communism :\'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't sound anything at all like communism'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and what would be your plan for getting the soils back to how it was then?  Currently, our soil quality really can't support mom-and-pops and still feed everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or socialism. whish is exactly the same thing as most americans know'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'which*'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'local family farms used to group together into co-ops to negotiate the best price for their products.....how is that communism?  That is capitalism.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the soil has been devestated by industrial production, hans'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'If Aya ignores you and you say a swear, I bet you 50 bucks he'd still report you, AND, if he ignores you he says shit about you andwhen you ask him why he said that and to stop he goes all like "SHERT ERP, IT'S NOT A PERSONAL OFFENCE SO SHTOP TALKING TO MEEE"'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'wrong channel.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'Everybody ignore that....'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you ramped up your oil production, you wouldn't need to grow biofuels'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'But then I realized it was curse allowed. YESH.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Greyrainbow: 'Wrong channel again.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'swearing is the crutch of inarticulate motherfuckers'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil is good, but natgas is better...and we have more recoverable natgas right now compared to oil....even though we have 20x more oil.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you need natgas to make fertilizer and other chemicals to make family farms more efficient.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We could end the corporate welfare to huge factory farms in the US, and hand it to the family farms instead.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or just take it off the debt'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simply removing subsidies from the industrial farms will help family farms'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and what happens to the co-ops when most people are growing their own, anyways?'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what happens to supermarkets if you grow your own veg now?'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'answer is not much, not everyone will want to have their own farm or grow their own veg'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so there'll always be a market'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Farmers markets are growing every year in the US...been that way for 100 years or more.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet all the welfare supports the industrial farms, and all the regulation unduly penalises the small farms while industrial farms are largely immune'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, small farms do not qualify for most of the farm welfare programs because they are too small...:('
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the lions share goes to the big corporate farms.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and the black frauds living in the city.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK it was mostly supermarkets and joining the EU that killed off family farms'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Was looking at the price for big farm combines......They are really expensive now, just like all big machines.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can get small ones here really cheap, just need to be mechanically minded'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A family farm co-op could buy a big combine and share it......reducing the price for each family farm.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly you'd have a small business that rent itself + the combine out to family farms here, saved the farmers needing to own it'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd have their own standard tractors and bits, but the big combines they'd rent in'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mod, here in the US we have travelling companies that do the combine harvesting for you.....'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love going to a family farm that grows pigs......we have one about 60 miles from here.....they have the best smoked pork in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even though we harvest our own pork from the ranch, it is nice to have smoked bacon from a local family farm.'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'It doesn't make sense'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Raptors were smart... but not even compared to dogs'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'The human brain.... and intelligence is a monument to life's evolution.. I am sure a superior race will take over one day'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'my bet is on singularity'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I hope it happens in my lifetime, I want to spend eternity in a cyberworld (watching porn and playing aard, just as in RL)'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, eventually someone will write a bot advanced enough to gain consciousness '
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'altho dwarf fortress entities gaining consciousness is more likely'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Oh we're The John Birch Society, The  John Birch Society - we're here to save America! from a communistic fate." -- from a mid 20th centuru song'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'next topic'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I should be the next pope.....I would elevate Donkeys to Bishops!'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kokurai: 'no i should be the pope!'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Teardrop by massive attack is a good song.'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the theme song to the tv show House.'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'depressing song (Teardrop) to a depressing tvseries (House)'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'chuck norris vs. superman?'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kokurai: 'they both suck so idc'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'chuck has this stare... it can be very deadly'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but so does superman'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, what a fantastic calibre of congresswomen you have, when Maxine Waters claimed that the sequester will lose over 170 million jobs'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'I know which 500-ish they could start with.'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's only 134 million jobs'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was why i giggled, hans'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what with that and that fucking lesbian transgender freak Napolitano threatening to blow up America if her department gets cuts'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like a bunch of kids throwing a hissy fit'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's almost fun to watch'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and for all the chauvinists out there: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/27/what-housework-has-to-do-with-waistlines/'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'you'd probably want to write something that automatically added mobs when you went in rooms'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Giant Kraken: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'WTH, In 2003, Arkansas enacted a 3 percent individual income tax surcharge on all residents of Texarkana, both the portion of the city within Arkansas' border as well as that within Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Time to invade Arkansas!'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Free the residents of Arkansas from arky oppression!'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like that.....if you want justice, go to a whore house...if you want to get fucked, go to a courthouse.'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well with the SCOTUS legislating from the bench looks like there is enough fucking to go around'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not SCOTUS's fault if Congress can't write laws rightly the first time around.'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well its funny but the outcry about activist judges is consipicuously absent'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '"they wanted vote against it but couldn't"- Scalia... what a fine legal mind'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's either a tweet or you didn't include the whole quote.  "They" isn't defined.'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't think there is anything to be gained by any Senator to vote against continuation of this act. And I am fairly confident it will be reenacted in perpetuity unlessunless a court can say it does not comport with the Constitution... [T]his is not the kind of a question you can leave to Congress....Even the name of it is wonderful: The Voting Rights Act. Who is going to vote against that in the future?'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I'm no constitutional law scholar, but the implication is Scalia knows best'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unless a court can say it does not comport with the constitution.... that is a HORRIFIC statement'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all he's saying is that unless a law can be shown to be unconstitutional any (popular) law that is struck down by the court can simply be relegislated.  I may be old and a long time away from mandated high school classes on the US Constitution, but I think that's exactly the process outlined in the division of powers.'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'laws are A) unconstitutional B) constitutional. Doesn't matter if it is a popular law or not.'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'whoa, Chicago's going to give sex-ed classes to kindergarteners...'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what do you all think about selling expired food to poor people?'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'That depends on what you mean by expired.  If you mean past shelf date, that's pretty much always fine.  If you mean spoiled, that's another matter entirely :P'
T3/r7/2013-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what if it had no shelf date?  One store in Boston is doing away with sell-by dates.'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kokurai: 'mitt romney should have been president'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'will israel ever go to war with iran or vice versa?  Ezra 9:9 (for they are so irreligious) For we were slaves, but in his unfailing love our God did not abandon us in our slavery. Instead, he caused the kings of Persia to treat us favorably. He revived us so we could rebuild the Temple of our God and repair its ruins. He has given us a protective wall in Judah and Jerusalem.'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'israel is a pussy when it comes to iran'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'further, http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/15/world/middleeast/documents-illuminate-jewish-life-in-ancient-muslim-empire.html?_r=0'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'That would be a nasty war and would lead to a World War, no doubt.'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'then, Mark 15:2 And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto him, Thou sayest it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Israel can't fight Iran succesfully, they can just goad the US into doing it for them'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're trying'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Correct.  Israel might be superior with their infantry, but as an overall military, they can't compete.'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so jesus, didn't say 'I am' there, further, John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isreal would probably win'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Israel can't project force'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but ezra 9:9 indicates that jews became the servants of persia, which is modern iran'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it'd not be a walkover like beirut'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lets be real TN, they could utterly destroy Iran but they couldn't win a war of attrition'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and allowed them to rebuild their temples and follow their religion'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iran would almost certainly fight dirty if attacked'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the zionists anyways, this is something i keep in mind, i don't know if in fact it is true or not'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no such thing as fighting dirty I'm afraid'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'anyways = maybe, it's all interpretation and speculation to me - i assume that iran and israel work together, and only prostrate as opponents for their mutual gain'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think they'll be helping each other'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but i noticed things like obsolete aircrafts and things reported from iran, sanctions etc, so i could be wrong'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i seen pictures of jewish rabbi's, and noticed that jews do also live in iran though, as they have lived in the middle east before and after the bible was written'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not many of em, but tehy are there somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did arrest people for having buddha statues on display in a shop there not so long ago'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently not allowed to advertise other religions'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'iranian religious freedom only applies to muslims wishing to express Islam in the proper Islamic ways (cartoons of Allah or Muhammed, very bad juju)'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do persecute other religions to an extent'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'for instance, if iran hated israel so much, the concept of it, then why would operation overlord where leaders of britain/russia/america be held in tehran, against the nazi's , who are historically the worst thing that ever happened to them (modernity)'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i have seen iranian's posing as nazi's on chat forum's before though'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'iran's current situation is due to american/usa interference in 1950s'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'eh, Israel didn't exist until after the Nazis.'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'a kissinger quote, real or not, aught my eye once, along with a jewish chess player who retired in iceland'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'regarding the USSR and of what consequence'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'since most of these here electronics are manufactured in communist countries, and are increasingly being integrated into every aspect of government and civilian interaction, from education to hello, seeing re-education programs and a survivor who knows the importance of knowledge of cambodia's unfortunate incident recently (from what i seen) holding some form of government office, would it be beyond possibility, that one of the conveniences of converting everything through these electronics, is to eradicate knowledge in the long run?'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i've noticed public library's coming under attack for instance, laptops being used/tablets instead of paper text books, inlcuding tax-returns etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'one good reason to at least make sure a real nationlist is monitoring the creation of these devices and their interconnectivity'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'cattle was only an example, imagine life as a cow'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '(just some things that made me consider it from) Professionals and intellectuals  in practice this included almost everyone with an education, or even English-speaking people or people wearing glasses (which, according to the regime, meant that they were literate). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21410362 another reflection, "We really can't go about without it, all our life depends on it," '
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'technology might be convenient, but it may also be malevolent, even unintentionally, like 'saving paper' for online tax-returns, or saving some chemical from film camera's (environment stuff)'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so it's always comforting to know that a -real-, non-globalist, non-fake is overseeing it, a think-tank that thinks within borders'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an opinion-fluff-piece by some nobody-reporter is not exactly a great reference weblink, especially if there are adverts to bloat the article'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'which one's fluff besides me?'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm just a observer'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'reading of what people went through and other things'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.amazon.com/Dumbest-Generation-Stupefies-Americans-Jeopardizes/dp/1585427128 here's also some author writing a book about how smart technology's making people'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm just wondering why, for debate with those things in mind, i guess if it is strategy, nobody would want to discuss the end game though'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'finding the players is also not too easy'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'since it's based mostly on evaluation of information sources, not all of which are directly witnessed'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'don't say "smart" if you mean "dumb" --- am not interested in lame attempts at sarcasm'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'vat - value added thought'
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'significant, 'sign if i cant''
T3/r7/2013-03-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'who would have equated meaninful with disability'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'was albania the only 'communist nation' to be constitutionally atheist, as it was the first in recorded history?'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's something people associate with communism now, allowing tolerance like theocratic dictatorships to spread'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't think one neccessarily garners the other though, seeing how problems sometimes present themselves'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'even singapore, sonshi's homeland of total defense and peaceful multiculturalism, has people protesting infestations of .. probably a certain demographic'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'some people said the other day that japan has one of the best policy's about certain demographics, i understood what made them think that way'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You won't find a country without prejudice, but if you are lucky, you can live in a country where the government does not prejudice against race or religion. But those are not that common either.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Am I wrong in thinking that racisim will never die unless we have a global totalitarian society and that it is not really worth it to that end?'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's true, but i think the government should at least put aside 'being nice' for regulating their populations, the more suspect they are as a group, the more regulation seems required, don't you think?'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I mean litterally NO racisim'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the safety of the whole should even be understood by the benevolents among the minority being scrutinized'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah i understand all that in the world and am not a part of it, right'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I think the American system of handling racisim does a decent job. And I say this as an American who doesnt have a whole lot of expeierence in how it is handled exactly in other developed nations'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Prejudice against religion is probably higher in the US than any other civilized country. Unless you are a christian.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I think it could be better, but I also thing that things like affirmative action are too far reaching and a bit outdated.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'not really, i have a ready example in memory - trayvon martin for instance received not only national mention for months, but international as well - but consider this kansas boy, http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teenagers-poured-gasoline-boy-walking-home-school-set-fire-cops-article-1.1033062'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'here 'affirmative action' is making sure that blacks are always the victims of oppression, and never light white kids on fire or otherwise mutilate them, like they had done in africa among other places, recently a canadian charity worker in tanzania for instance, killed by machete - which was (from what i read) how they slaughtered hundreds of thousands of people in the rwandan genocide'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the media steps around muslims and blacks as having their own epidemic racisms, taught in churches and wherever else'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but if 2 white's gather together it's a hate-group that is scorned by the amsses'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so there is definitely something screwed up with the system, not saying any or all are angels, but there's alot of tweaking that should be done'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'otherwise, how can one condemn the actions of retaliation, in light of the other without judgement'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'also, a homosexual reporter on cnn was trying to justify the ations of that cop from la'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'african homosexual, that's not what reporters usually do is it?'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I think that racisim is sort of a natural thing that has to do with culture. No amount of legislation will get rid of it completely. For example the 1st ammendment of the constitution allows for free speech that is protected. I would not want to change that for anything but it is a thing that allows for that culture to continue to exist. I believe however that it is possible for global culture to evolve to the point where issues of race are nonexistient. Think of an earth society in the future that is focused on colonizing other planets in the galaxy. Of course this would probably only lead to earthlings practicing racisim on beings from other plantets while being unified as planet here on earth.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i understand part of his manifesto was regarding police corruption, but intertwined in it's wording was hints at a racist agenda, and also he mentioned the movie django unchained in it of all things as 'being sold on it''
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why does it matter to you that the reporter was gay?'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Oh the Chris Dorner guy was also pro gun control and an Obama supporter. Not saying that has a whole lot of meaning considering that his actions spoke way louder than his words. But notice how the mainstream media even right leaning news like FOX never reported on that. Most put up an "edited" version of his manifesto'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'why?  because i find it odd that so was anderson cooper'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and homosexual marriage is making international news in sweden and france and all over the place'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It is? I live in sweden, nobody cares here. Even the church is ok with it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It did not suprise me one bit that Anderson Cooper is gay. He is way too handome of a man at his age to not end up married to a woman while being straight.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and in california they're teaching homosexual history to schoolchildren, by mandate of the government, which outlawed therapy to combat homosexual psychology as an option for parents or people with tendencies'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ah, I see now. You are homophobic.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm not scared of homosexuals, that has nothing to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Then why do you care so much about who is gay and not? It is not important.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there's alot of real-issues that could make the news beyond 'proving that homosexuality is natural physiological and not psychological' while teaching it and normalizing it in media and school to even children'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And of course kids should be taught how homosexuals have been mistreated in the past.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there's a difference between accepting choices of adults that don't directly impact your life and having them indoctrinated into you think this way or you're a racist'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'm what could be considered a "homophobe" by that definition as well Ranrr. I don't really condone a homosexual lifestyle but only on a personal level. I am against any legislation like DOMA that stands in the way of gay rights. All people deserve equal rights even those I may not agree with.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, at least you know you are a homophobe.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I sure do'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, BTW, teaching things to kids is not indoctrination.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'It's also not-not indoctrination. Depends on how it's done.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that goes against almost everything the jews teach about the nazi youth'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'True. '
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Teaching kids about gay history is not. But teaching kids that they can "be gay" at an early age might be.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'do you think developing minds are not influenced by the stimulus they consider?'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Teaching kids that it's ok to be gay is good. '
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that would be the most ignorant stance on educative philosophy i've ever perceived'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I sure hope so, otherwise teachers are wasting time.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you can teach people to tolerate other's ability to choose'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but raising children should still be the parents job on ethics and morals, i believe'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky is agreeing with that Rabshakeh person again...
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think it's everyones responsibility.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'plus what real world experiences they encounter which shape who they are, regardless of what you force them to think'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Morals should definitely be discussed in schools.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'By that logic Ranrr what if beasiality was culturally accepted by the majority? Would it be okay for our public schools to teach our kids that we can fuck and marry cats?'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'a consensus on not breaking the rules of the school, sure - social studies is largely biased'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, Snooky.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fortunately, it's not.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, technically, you cannot teach morals, only discuss them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'don't say 'fuck and marry cats' too loud or you will attract Fanto'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can teach laws and rules, not morals.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the propaganda machine is in full swing again trying to take down the internet and force people onto a sanitised new internet where the government censors and controls, where you need an ID and permission to use'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mayor Bloomberg is under the impression that the USA can borrow an infinite amount of money, and that banks would never stop lending to it'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the xbox 720 will also require 24/7 internet access to function.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'that was rumored about the ps4 too, turned out false'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'anything you read is rumor till they officially announce'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but microsoft isnt sony....we all know how they love to control you.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'we will all know in april, so no use in debating rumors'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Winter hurricanes are getting stronger.  A winter storm off the coast of Ireland in January 2013 was as strong as a Cat4 hurricane.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'a dorsal fine. like a shark or a dolphin.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'how did that end up here'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'man, this is why I keep dying'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'does c++ destructors have anything to do with actually destroying the data from returned functions?  i never learned that language at all , but i remember that with the stack at least, not 64 bit registers, you could still reference the contents of the variables created in the returned function until overwritten'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'destructors are for freeing data that has been allocated on the heap, so it can be used again.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'ok, ty - i vaguely remember the heap, memory management'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Otherwise, on a long running program data will accumulate and eventually fill the heap, which will cause the program to crash.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i like assembly programming still, it helps to understand all of the ways the other languages work'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Federal tax revenue from oil and production is the 2nd largest revenue generator after income taxes on individuals and businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil and gas production that is.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '15 to 20 million years ago, the oceans had 3-4x more life forms compared to today.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is one of the reasons why oil companies started exploring the oceans for oil deposits.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Thanks to new technology in seismic detection, ocean drilling for oil has gone from 1 in 15 success rate to 1 in 4 today.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the efficiency rate for drilling for oil on land and on ocean has increased to 55% from 35%....so older oil and gas fields can produce much longer.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the increase in find rate of ocean drilling is extremely bad news for the human race, since the greedy are likely to pollute the planet and deplete the oil reserves much sooner, while also increasing global warming perhaps leading to global scorching much sooner'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57572207-38/dhs-built-domestic-surveillance-tech-into-predator-drones/'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bollocks to global warming, this is far more important'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the heating from the sun is projected to slowly increase over the next milliuon years'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with incresed global warming, anticipate increased violent weather, higher sea levels, and drastic changes to ability of farmers to grow and supply food'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts yawns.
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the best years in the US were during the 1960s and 70s.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'superduper technology may seem great, but that techology is usually either extremely limited to a few  or extremely costly in resource usage -- the overpopulated world is may not be able to handle drastic upsets (without drastic population readjustments (aka famine and deaths))'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps the 50s also'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has always been thus'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the minimum wage was enough to provide a living in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it hasnt kept up with inflation though, and is now not even close to a living wage.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'surely the poor USAmericans are not as poor as the poor in India'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not relevent'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'surely the poor British are not as poor as the poor in India '
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still not relevent'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is obviously concerned about Robocop Skynet scenarios '
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more worried about invasion of privacy and the orders of magnitude more likely and more serious mistakes being made'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'especially with Barack Obama violating the constitution and running a death-squad to kill alleged terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more likely the witch'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Coal production and burning for energy has almost doubled in India and China, accounting for a 60% increase of sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the man wannabe'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which witch '
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Janet Not A Man Napolitano'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the gangster of DHS'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Shell Oil is building a new oil vessel/platform that can drill down 35,000 feet'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if anyone has tried funneling energy through the diferent kinds of crystals on earth yet....or precious stones, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usuually'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'talk about torture....a guy in Texas dug his own water well....by hand.....20 feet deep.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brave guy'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '20 feet deep, and 6 feet wide.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why so big?'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for safety reasons.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boring not safer/quicker?'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he uses a 22 foot ladder to get to the bottom of it, and fills up 5 gallon buckets with water using a cup.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because he is nuts ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like it'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no offense of course. :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a footpump or anything!'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he lives off grid in 2 insulated 40 foot long shipping containers'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has solar panels, the whole setup.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't want a water pump'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I personally wouldnt have chosen his location either.....no trees anywhere, so he must be somewhere west of Austin.'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want trees'
T3/r7/2013-03-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of em, preferably'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Book tip: Guns, by Stephen King. An essay on the gun control issue. Well worth reading (only 25 pages).'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'should have put it out for free, the guy is rolling in money'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, yeah. I got it for 0.79$ at audible, definitely worth it. '
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Put it out for free and at the end say something like sens a buck or two to the brady fund. I have no faith that it is not just more exploitation.'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, that's a whole different issue than gun control :D Not gonna get into that right now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If an author wants to give away his works, or not, that's his choice.'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'OK, then I will. Aard-folk - Please send a buck or two to the Brady fund to help end the NRA backed insanity. Thank you.'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Donate 10 bucks or to to put an end to Arnica-backed stupidity!'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas senate has bill introduced to allow for the psuedo-forced vaccination of minors'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BBC finally caught up with the 3d-printed gun parts article (only a couple of months after the fact) and painted it in typical BBC colours'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fresh Prince of Bel-Air theme song prompts school lockdown'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the FDA operate a kangaroo court system, there is no jury, and you are assumed guilty until proved innocent'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all paid for via tribute. Exactly how can one expect a fair trial in that situation?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why don't you ever source your claims, nuts?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a claim'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's how they operate'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so i'll have to take your word for that?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can go look it up if you like, but we all know you won't'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'if someone cared about the stuff you're talking about it would be nice to give them a link so they could learn more'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like you refused to believe that Hitler disarmed the Jews until someone shoved it down your throat'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not healthy'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and doesn't make any difference'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's still bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, it's true but still bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pats Seltsimees Dagnir on his head.
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go back under your bridge :-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the "what if jews had guns" argument is bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the french military had guns. the polaks had guns'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back under your bridge, troll'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'pretty much every country in the ww2 had guns. who cares if the jews had guns. wouldn't have changed a fucking thing'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know that holocaust denial is a criminal offence in some countries'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go deny that, then'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why would i?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have trouble with reality'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you have trouble with reading comprehension'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no issue with my comprehension'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'where the fuck did you get the holocaust denial, btw?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're denying that Hitler disarmed the jews as part of their subjugation and slaughter'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no. i'm saying that the argument against gun control is bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is talking about gun control? was talking about a denial you made'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'sure, lets say hitler disarmed the jews. i they had had guns it wouldn't have changed a fucking thing'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but as a side-issue, the whole argument for gun control is bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm just explaining my point to you since you have troubles comprehending it'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your points are regularly head-burying morally vacuous bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyway, source your claims. otherwise you'll look like chemosh raving'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'describing how the FDA trial system works does not require sources'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i wasn't even saying you were wrong about the shit you were talking earlier. just would be nice to get a source'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so we should just assume that you're an expert on every subject you talk about?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i expect you to look it up if you were interested'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't know dick about the fda trial system'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or if you took issue with it'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that you're likely to be in a trial with the FDA'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(unless you're a farmer, or in the food industry)'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'some of your concerns are serious and addressing real issues, it would be nice to source them. but most of the time you go on about obama being a secret gay muslim who wants to take all your guns (bb guns included) and rule a fascist dictatorship'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's your words put in my mouth'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so sourcing would be nice for a quick way to check if you found something interesting or just bouncing off the walls'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, i could grep abe's logs and quote you on that again'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would like to bring up two instances each of 1 "interest" pieces mentioned in the course of how many years of debate and claim that is me "always" bring it up?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your grep will bring up far more numerous instances of you and yuna bringing it up than i ever did'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called "trolling"'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, not really. cat 2012debate.txt | grep -Pc 'Tigernuts.+(O|obama|gay)' -> 595'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i got 30'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama OR gay?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you think you could try and sneak that past people who understand how regex works?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Seltsimees Dagnir for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok. so you think that obama is a christian, straight and born in america?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why even grep anything when i could just ask you :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i suspect Obama is essentially non-religious, born in Hawaii, brought up in Malaysia, his sexuality is his own problem'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If it was allowed in the US, obama would probably call himself an atheist. '
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama's religious affiliation is the least of america's problems'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, being a general lying massmurderer is more of an issue.'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts grins evilly at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not that it makes him different from any other US president.'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different colour, different manner, same shit'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm mainly keeping my eyes on new internet legislation'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(right now)'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'aren't you mad because obama mixed star trek and star was references?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did? when?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you were advocating the "look it up" tactic earlier'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult to keep tabs really, given how half of what he says is collectivist propaganda, and the other half is lies'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come off it, that's a bit vague, Dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'would be pretty cool if you could just click a link, right?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd that Iowa are having to pass legislation to LEGALISE raw milk'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'why is that odd?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd that it would be illegal at all'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you think it usual for eggs to be illegal?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'raw milk (i.e. unpasteurised) is much more risky'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'eggs are almost always eaten cooked'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if you have an overextended supply chain combined with poor standards'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what you're looking for is some sensible regulation, not a blanket ban'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I think a ban on raw milk is a sensible regulation'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might as well ban raw meat'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ban raw fish'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'see above regarding eggs'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're paranoid about raw milk, so nobody else is allowed it. I understand'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'new york's about banned selling game (deer meat from hunting, etc) - apparently if an animal isn't bred in captivity it's no longer good enough for America'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that's true, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it is, then that just further proves how fucking stupid the majority of Americans now are'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I saw the article about the horse meat in taco bell, and laughed my ass off.  Wait till we have a soilant green moment'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing wrong with a bit of horsemeat, the whole complaint was bout labelling'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the fear was that people would be eating meat with no idea where it came from, what contaminents it had, etc.  I'd argue that's more true that they'd care to admit today.'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'er, than'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, it's down to stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't understand the food chain'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or nutrition'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ignorance, not stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, i'm not going with ignorance. Ignorance would imply they haven't been told'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtg arguing semantics'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'check the name of this channel'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Taokan points excitedly!
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well argue against something on the grounds of spelling or grammar'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'to be fair though, ignorance and stupidity are two entirely different problems.  You can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink, and all that.'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'all too often, we have this naive hope that putting information in front of people will cause them to stop making bad decisions'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Vost was claiming people lacked knowledge regarding the quality of cheap processed food/fast food'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I don't agree with that'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ah, the straw man argument'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Same with people who smoke fags - they know smoking any amount of a long term will rocket up your chances of lung cancer'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not ignorance, it's stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the horse knows the waTer is there'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'indeed - they choose to ignore it'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not ignorance, that's stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it's not necessarily stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'sometimes it's different priorities'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'noun: the state or fact of being ignorant'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lack of knowledge, learning or information'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'take socialized healthcare for example - it may create a benefit for someone, but they still vote against it.  Why?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stupid: lacking ordinary quickness and keenness of mind'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not the same argument'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'maybe they don't want the government in their lives.  Maybe they respect the hard work of millionaires.  Maybe they have their own reasons.  But being against something that's "beneficial" to you does not automatically make you stupid'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'speaking of bad habits, I think I need to go feed my caffeine addiction'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing you've said about socialised healthcare is incorrect so far, though leaving out the elephant of "ending up with an inferior system", but it's not the same as situation as not knowing where your food comes from'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'there are more or less rational, intelligent people that hand out blind faith a little too generously - including to companies that prepare their food'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who are poor who are against socialised medicine will typically not be able to afford the tax hikes that would result of that care, or are against the straitjacket that it imposes on available healthcare, or are warey of the significant downgrades to healthcare that would result from it'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'naivity?'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=A0IVSGctQIg'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8z1buym2xUM is pretty complete, if hilariously dated'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '7yr old Josh Welch was suspended for 2 days from school for shaping a food he was eating into a Gun shape '
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parents go to the media, school won't comment because of 'privacy' reasons'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'also known as 'dumbass' reasons.'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the United States of Dumbass'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't ever say such things wouldn't happen here, i remember having bulldog, skipping ropes and conkers banner'
T3/r7/2013-03-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but at least those were (apparently) agendaless overhyped health & safety vs insurance reasons'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, in and out burger has passed the $1 billion valuation level....the 30 year old owner is a billionaire.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my lovely government are going ahead with some rather worrying plans to introduce secret courts (closed material trials) where the only people present are the judge and "specially assigned" attornies for the defence and prosecution'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all thanks to the US'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, you called the government "lovely", so you secretly approve of what the government did'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i called them lovely in the same way as i'd call you pragmatic, i.e dripping in sarcasm'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you even thanked the USA'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts seems to be the very model of an obedient servile modern quisling'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you appear to require being attacked with a fire-based weapon to prevent hp regeneration'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"pragmatic" usually does not mean "dripping in sarcasm" -- unless on a comedy tour -- that is likely "pragmatic" if the "dripping sarcasm" draws in the customers - tough audience though, likely seeking blood'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're no comedian'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lame attempts at comedy during a debate are bad debating form'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this channel is doomed then'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'definitely not "loverly"'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the copyright laws overprotecting ip (intellectual-property) are destroying the archiving value of the internet'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eventually the internet will be fully censored, and scrubbed, owned by governments, for which you'll need license to use'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'especially in the area of photographs and films'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice that you guys are not being given the option to opt out of Federal news alerts sent directly to your mobile phone'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody at the BBC eradicated the old "Doctor Who" films -- then decades later some (the BBC?) attempted to hope that some old copies of the missing Doctor Who serial yet exited in the world somewhere while simultaneously demnanding that only horrid lowgrade copiues exits out there in the world (ostensibly to protect IP which somebody deliberately trashed at the BBC source)'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'all that supposed "protection" of Intellectual-Property is going to result in the loss of Intellectual-Property when the owner fies and owners estate possessions are trashed to the landfills and or incinerators'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(when the IP owner dies)'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those politicians are protecting their temporary political-contributions, and the CEOS are protecting their temporary profits -- they are not protecting Intellectual-Property for posterity'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a rumor that the Library of Congress achives some informations -- but are the missing "Doctor Who" serials there'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely a myth, doubt if any single library is able to be physically big enough to store all the world's informations'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Wikipedia does a "song and dance" on the photograph enlargement pages, (obeissantly) stating how (most of) the photograghs are definitely of inferior grade (so as to not violate any copyright laws) -- so Wikipedia is mostly trash as a reference as far as photographs are concerned'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is particularly disturbing, is when a TV fan of old tv-serials and old movies attempts to look up information on the actors and actresses -- instead of the handsome and pretty photographs of yesteryears, the researcher is nauseated with horrid pictures of the old and aging actors and actresses'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, 1426 billionaires worth a total of $5.4 trillion....200 more billionaires compared to 2012.....and the middle class get poorer and poorer.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shock horror :-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the number of billionaires increased from 1200 to 1400 in one year?'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by the time the middle class finally gets the balls to do something about it, the war will be over and it will be to late.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already too late'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, Jan 2012 to Jan 2013, the number increased by 200'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, voters can still do something about it, but they are too stupid to see the ticking clock in front of them.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pua: 'idk that voters have much power... considering the goverment is suposed to be for/by the people and it doesn't seem so much.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only chance people have is to take back their government, they won't do that by voting'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i converse with people everyday, things aren't going to change because people are naive and/or ignorant'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pua: 'well who/what informs isn't.. or they are just numb.. and misinformed.. like we are as well. everyone lies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'naivity is the biggest problem, along with underestimation'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pua: 'maybe.. the more i know the .. the more i know i don't fucking know. i am among the naive'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the richest billionaire has $73 billion, and bill gates would be the top billionaire if he didnt give half his fortune to his foundation in the last 15 years.  He has $67 billion right now, not including another $40 billion he has given to his foundation.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gates owns about 5% of microsoft now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/body-snatchers-310223.html jews murdering , removing the bones, skin and chopping the guts out of ukrainians'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '3/5 investigators are jewish names, they haven't found it yet in florida, where lasher is from'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'next time you get yourself some skin corpse surgery, remember who murdered your salvation for you'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'lizard people!'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and btw, lasher is not from florida'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: ''moroccan IMF leader' http://www.athensnews.gr/portal/3/58745 'art for the homeless''
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'jews sank the titanic as well. y'know, iceBERG'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.artaz.gr/en/ARTIST/matina_kavalari.aspx?i=dubelieve do you believe in love?  that looks like a real reference to athensnews, artaz'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'wow, that's a human heart torn from a chest held in a hand'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ttberg'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'israeli jew nuder chopping up some 75 tonnes of pork died to look like beef , except it was probably human meat'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they removed it from thelocal.se'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.thelocal.se/43840/20121016/'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/dominicanrepublic/3388611/Refugees-lost-at-sea-Eating-friends-tasted-like-beef.html good jesus, '
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think we have a new nutcase in town'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nuts and chemosh, watch out'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'jews are angels of god, never think holodomor/dekulakization/the great purge , and even the holocaust was all orchestrated by them'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'although they were in charge of it all'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'hey, write history with fritz fischer while you're at it'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you can show the way things are to the non-jews'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i can see some good reasons why they would have been exterminated, since they don't root themselves otu like muslims'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i cheer on people like breivik and mladic, even though i don't agree with all their tactics'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'albania was a good atheist example to telling them to kiss their ass too'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost peers intently at Rabshakeh.
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'peer all you want, i hate who i hate'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't not hate you cause of nothing, if you deserve it you get it'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm glad the world's got some results though, some progress has been made here and there'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"Only a man and a woman can beget a child together without advance planning, which means that opposite-sex couples have a unique tendency to produce unplanned and unintended offspring" is legalese for "heterosexual couples simply can't keep it in their pants"'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rephrase to "heterosexual couples provide evidence that they can't keep it in their pants" '
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the early days of the aids epidemic was evidence that "homosexuals simply can't keep it in their pants"'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pua: 'early days of the aids epidemic was ignorance and yes gay sex is often about the sex..  but you can say that about almost any other transmitable decease.. even the doctors orginaly thought it was crazy to wash your hands to lower infection rates.. whats your point?'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, heterosexual sex is not about sex... Interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Pua, quoting the ignorance of medieval doctors invalidates what you said'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pua: 'medieval? it wasn't until the 1900s iirc and it really doesn't once educated people well... are smarter... '
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'aids didn't arrive in history books until 1976 or so, except they'll do a distant reference to 1932 or so, '
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monkeyshines'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i read that it was the result of research on a polio vaccination applied to hamsters'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'rizgoth you blittler of me'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you can't even accept facts coming from somebody you hate'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'polio experiments were done on monkeys, who apparently had a virus: SR40 I believe it was.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'up yours too rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you are a ubermensch to me, something to chop down over time'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what are you blathering about now ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go back to the lab.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what are you miscomprehending to respond to'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'get back to the furnace you dodging jehovah'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'careful, you are foaming at the mouth. Some might think it rabies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'vaccination for rabies is similar to polio, both developed by a canadian, such as myself'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or monkeyshines.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'canadians are supposed to be pleasant'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'captain kirk is.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'canadians also sent nasa to the moon and sunk the german uboats'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'in service to the queen, they took the wrong side i the war though'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which war -- the British like to start and ot join wars'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I've heard thee queen got serviced a lot ;>'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by a canadian donkey ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the monarchists are likely to blacklist Anaristos and Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'monarchists, monoorchids, they are all the same.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless Anaristos and Rizgoth meant Elton John'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yes, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne (after) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoderic_the_Great (my ancestor)'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I meant Lizzy, she's the head queen.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon (looks like a homo) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodoric_I,_Margrave_of_Meissen (looks like me)'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gay ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'next you be attemting to claim that Adam and Eve were your ancestors'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that is half my family tree there'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm not french though, my great great grandfather fought against the allies in world war 1'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'on other side of the family'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'other 1/4 is russian/polish'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not Eve :) Lilith '
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'h1n1 virus was also genetically engineered, they also engineer virus's to target specifically the elderly and infants that they test in hospitals'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it was first reported as returning from iraq on soldiers in washington hospital on abc news in 2007 or 2008, then released to the public'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'then in 2 consequtive years on january 11-15 they discussed modifying it and a new strain'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I suppose your ancestor created it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there's biochemical warfare that can wipe alot of people out faster though'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you can testify to that :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i probably could invent alot of things like that if i put my mind to it'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i never seen any benefit from it though, and wouldn't want to be responsible for it'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'is it threatening that my mind can comprehend things'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you  can say that again.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i can figure out how to build all kinds of things'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i can teach myself anything'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I bet you play with your erector set :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i stick to my islamic lego's'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they're a better opponent'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'junior macgyver...'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/01/23/islamic-group-accuses-lego-of-peddling-racist-discriminatory-star-wars-playset/'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'provide a brief concise synopsis of that weblink -- (since i'm not going to risk getting infected by adverts)'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, a solar panel that can use 100% of the sunlight to produce power....'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the holy grail of power generation.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps the Darth Vadar storm-troopers in their white uniforms look like arabs'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have always looked forward to the first perpetual motion engine...'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'it's called heat death'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I've also looked forward to the day I could ignore the second law of thermodynamics :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'That is close enough'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want a matter replicator.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the laws of nature do not permit perpetual motion machines (other than electrons orbiting the nucleus, space particles unimpeded by obstructions, and other subatomic phenomenon)'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Except that all motion is perpetual unless acted upon by an external force...'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"perpetual unimpeded motion"'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'saome neutrinos are likely pretty good perpetual unimpeded motion, at least until they hit and react with something'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some neutrinos are likely pretty good at perpetual unimpeded motion, at least until they hit and react with something -- which is odd, in that photons like to be stopped, but neutrinos do not'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the laws of classical physics do not apply to quntum particles operating in a gauge field. They can violate conservation laws for small amounts of time.'
T3/r7/2013-03-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in fact, that's how particles "move" in space-time, by violating conservation laws :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the world's largest mall, in China is 99% empty.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I thought the largest mall was in UAE'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Mall of America is 100% full, the Mall of China is 99% empty.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that might explain the current predicament'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The mall of china was built in a province that is mostly factories and migrant workers who barely make enough money to survive, let alone enough to go to a stupid mall....'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ack! Who shot J.R this time !?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Sin City" is a "Classic movie" (but only when viewed as the extended 2 disc DVD set, (with optional actual paperback comic book included, unread in pristine condition)). "Sin City" (the movie) is based on Frank Miller's "Sin City" comic. The movie was directed by Robert Rodriguez & Frank Miller, with special guest director Quentin Tarantino.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that said, the movie was slightly marred with one excessive goriness, several plot deficiencies, and a few inadequate plot endings'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the *actual* laws of nature likely do not violate "the law of conservation of mass and energy" locally, (disregardless, paranormal activity may be an exception, notwithstanding).  The inadequate "laws of (classical) physics" parroted by pedantics are obviously defective (as indicated by their parroted confessions that nature seemingly disregards those inadequate laws at the quantum-buzzword level).'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's how god designed it :P'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the ancestor of the camel today lived in the Canadian arctic, and was up to 40% larger, and weighed close to 2000 lbs.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so humans actually evolved from yeti's and rode wooly-camel's to africa'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like a wooly donkey....'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The location and age of the bone fragments indicate that the camel lived at time when the planet was 5.4 degrees Fahrenheit (3 degrees Celsius) warmer than it is today, when parts of the Arctic were covered in coniferous forests filled with larch and birch'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's neat huh, how they find plant matter underneath 100 feet of ice and stuff'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our planet has lots of mysteries we have yet to discover.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'cool about camel's though, i wonder how they ever arrived at two  places at once'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they're not known for their swimming across ocean abilities'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, the ones in africa and the middle east were probably living there when the continents started to drift apart.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the parent species was split.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that story sounds far-fetched -- as though some wannabe is talling shaggy camel stories to get attention for a badly scripted documentory on some ratings-seeking cablechannel'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, continents moving makes kind of sense, but .. how did the unicontinent start , and what force would bust it apart after forming it'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the continents continue to move today, and in a few million years they will be back together as a super continent....has happened many times in the past.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the continents moving though is a good thing....saved the planet from a snowball effect, when the earth was completely covered with ice.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'while watching some of those "documentaries", some of the language used (by actors pretending to be accredited) attempted inaccurate excessive conjectures, and thus was grammatically inaccurate from a serious academic perspective'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kokurai: 'actually there is only one recorded evidence of there being only one super continent in.the history of the earth '
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, there are twelve.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but which Federation Starship obtained that "only one" example of "recorded" evidence  (wink wink)'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'epic of gilgamesh apparently claims that 8000 years ago or so his people cross d the ocean and stuff'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so things like new international travel is probably a myth'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the pacific ocean might be the euphrates river, and the atlantic, the nile in some egyptian legends'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'in some perspectives of consideration'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'as there's those pyramids and similarities in structure'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'also was a kingdom called ur that they find ruins of in some places'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to go back in time about 15,000 years and check out how low the ocean levels were in person compared to today....the gulf of mexico was practically non existent.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the bering sea in alaska was a land bridge back then.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'recorded history is almost always biasedly recorded, distorting the defeated reality, because most of it's about warfare'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or for some agenda of religious-like mind control'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Depsartment of Time-Travel likely won't approve that trip, since you asre likely to contaminate the timeline'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but i think things like they find in archaeology and earth science is neat'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like an 80 foot long shark that hunted the world's oceans.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they find fossils of fish in most places where they mine potash too'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'large fish etc, indicating at some time at least a big lake sat where land is, if not great flood of the bible'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Republican economic theories of exploit-resources-as-rapidly-as-possible-until-there-are-none-fot-later are a recipe for disaster'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's true, things like potash and oil and uranium and other mineral's, where they are occassionaly, probably play a critical role in some earthly balance'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anybody that believes in the biblical version of the great flood loses academic credibility'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'like one thing i noticed cause i was curious, is that where there is a desert, underneath is located no potash, unless a lake once stood over it'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so, for the idle mind, removing all the potash under a fertile land that isn't a desert might result in a desert in the future'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just hope we never try to clone a dinosaur.....would hate to see some dinoclones escape and intermingle its genetic code with animals of today.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there's alternative ways of going about agriculture than how they're doign today as well, which is the part that indicates intelligent destruction taking place'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as though Risgoth believes that intermingling between species is rampant and widespread'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'also, not ironically, the alberta oilsands which are a big moneymaker, are located at almost the mouth of the largest river system in north america'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'indians there complain of mutant diseased fish, and they verified that there is alot of contamination happening'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'also birds migrating will land in a pool filled with tailings and die'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'lots of stories like that though, even from 1950's lakes going toxic'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'microbes were found in a lake 2800 feet under the ice in Antarctica.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'does Rizgoth approve of the Alberta mutations as a necessary evil so that the rich in the USA may become richer '
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, cut the littoral combat ship from the navy weapons budget....save $12 billion over 10 years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Alberta is in Canada, and not in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"littoral" -- an odd label to name a combat ship program'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, oil is at $89 a barrel.....need to get it back to $130 a barrel for US oil!'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lower prices is what happens when they don't ration a temporary glut'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'failure to ration oil reserves is likely to encourage more population growth and them more demand for oil -- that oil is going to run out eventualy, and then billions commence starving and or dying'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the population in India started to increase only when food the supply increased -- more oil --> more food --> more populatiom '
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'almost as though somebody is fattening up the world population numbers for the great slaughter '
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'forbes had article saying tesla expected ordinized population control (death camps) by 2100'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Logan's Run'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Futurama suicide-booths'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mankind used to depend on wars and plagues for population reduction'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'now the rich people who's only job is telling the slaves where to build the next castle for their hard earned tax money on lifetime investments will decide who live and dies'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or communist party leaders'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or priests of islam possibly, since it's spreading so fluently'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rabshakah, don't be depressing with false conjectures '
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what's unlikely about the people who chooses who lives and dies, don't they seem to be the most likely'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'less oil --> less food --> less population '
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'accurate conjectures that describe the situation succinctly offer hope that a benign solution may be found'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'do you own the world's concept of wealth and methods of survival'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if not, then there is no solutions, so just accept the death of the future, and pray for world war 3'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inaccurate conjectures muddy the view and are depressing'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm the most negative person i've ever met'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you likely didn't recognise whether you met those that are more negative than you'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i haven't met a person who i can't detect the nature of yet'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely wrong there, Rabshakeh'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so what'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are more likely to mislabel those that are actively researching amidst the muck, as they are going to look muddy, and there is uncertainty whether they succumb to the mire or come out smelling like a rose (nah, bad analogy use to describe charismatic poliiucians) '
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i only look for the bad in people, the good is more of a surprise then, because there's hardly any of that'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'sometimes i see some good things though, i try to change my outlook here and there'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'everybody's my enemy, everybody'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'very important is the ability to speak accurately and succinctly, as that also sharpens the view  '
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst is headed off on horseback, looking for some sheep and some ass.
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i look at what the individual is, and likely to be -- be wary of inaccurate labels - mislabeling obscures the view'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they're the enemy is inaccurate?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they have to be ruled out first'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'depends what your purpose in life is -- facetiously: to be a failurwe or to improve the world'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'failure was enforced by the jews and muslims and other rulers of the world'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'enjoying the failure is the best part about it, maybe it'll give their souls some gangren'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'buddhists lighting themselves on fire or otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'cheering on their destruction, don't cry for their losses as they caused all yours'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'eventually, a wannabe improver of the world is required to realise that to improve the world benignly, the cooperation of as many as possible, perhaps everybody, may be required '
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a nucky mire out there'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there's a pretend nuclear war looming in korea too'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they're just bluffing and won't even have any nukes shot at anybody'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and assad wouldn't chemical warfare all the muslim terrorists funded by the jewish ezra 9:9 america'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'hell if i'm going to go fight in some military draft korean war'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you can all go get sunk though'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i hope all the nukes they got in the world detonate in the next 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '1200 feet underground bunkers in some places'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'eneed to have some controlled bunker busting atomic bombs for those'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rabshakeh, don't do an inaccurate irrelevant inflamatory "sky is falling" shtick -- the audience is likely to tune out your depressing paranoid remortely-hypothetical conjectures'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm just joking though, since you know that your pretend resolve is making you out to be a likely jew, who's father jacob is the father of lies'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"pot calling the kettle black" there, since that name Rabshakeh reeks semitic'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'he was assyrian messenger in the bible, i liked how he wanted the masters on the wall to eat their own shit and drink their own piss , ie the people who rule the world's concept of worth'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'using the word "shtick" is insufficient to label a debate participant as a jew'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if one is a nobody, and one desires to improve the world, one likely requires to be friends with nearly everybody, even those currently despised, and that likely means practice looking for the good in everybody, (while yet on guard as to how bad they may be)'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'practice exercise: also look for the good in others -- and conjecture as to how that goodness may be brought out without the badness. (but is that a fool's exercise)'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'look how wealthy elites detest union's which protect worker's rights openly, how is that different from racism'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how come there isn't a month long chinese hinstory month in canada, where they dynamited alot of the mountains for the railway'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but black history month is almighty, like having a governor general from haiti born during the reign of duvallier, who exterminated half-breeds and possibly had JFK assassinated for halting foreign aid'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'who's father was violent'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how about white history month, we can divide it up'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'here's ukrainian holodomor history month'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'here's the crimes committed on the germans after world war 2 month'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'here's egypt giving rwanda some machete's for genocide month'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how about send me some ammunition for my terrorist ak-47 month in war's in the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'muslims believe in a terrorist religion, but the middle-east muslim Arabs dole out some of the world's oil -- so the USA is diplomatic the middle-east Arabs'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'brokered by jews of course, who are despised by muslims for giving them so much freedom to spread in white countries'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Zade you are a moron'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'as explained in ezra 9:9, who the jews serve - persian empire'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Twyst, explain or debate'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'research which regions that traversed and covered, it includes modern iran, which is highly unlikely ever going to go to war with it's biblical servants'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is a "terrorist religion"?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'operation overlord was planned in tehran, which really pretends to hate the jews, housing all kinds of them within itself and meeting with them in photographs, rabbi's of the faith'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Islam, from the perspective of the some of the population of India, is obviously a terrorist religion '
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and thailand and philippeans and bangladesh'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and norway, where they want everybody who doesn't observe ramadan beheaded, in their new muslim schools in oslo'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and harvard university, where their muslim chaplain wants all apostates murdered'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the news is mostly owned by the enemy though, the entire media'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so don't expect them to ever contemplate real issues publicly'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they'd rather, do a 'jihad is a friendly thing' article on CNN'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/03/us/myjihad-campaign see it for yourself'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yes cherry pick and paint with a wide brush'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you can look all this stuff up and see it on official news and history websites '
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'there are 1 billion+ muslims worldwide'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'video etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and there's 6 billion left to enslave'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'keep fearing the boogieman'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'boogiemen are fictional like the ghost the boy sees before cujo in the movie'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.barenakedislam.com/2011/05/09/thailand-muslims-behead-a-9-year-old-boy-warning-graphic-images/'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'boogiemen don't decapitate 9 year old boy's in thailand for their holy writ'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Twyst, "you've been served!", how do you reply  '
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'gory link, but that's the words that describe it, i'm not making it up - i ddin't do it nor do i support it, it's reasons that i hate certain 'sects' of people, maybe i should read a book on how to differentiate them , the sufi's sounded ok'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody from India indicated that the Sufi are not that benign either'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was an excellent website with a lot of historical perspective linking islamic terrorism to verses in the Koran -- (but the website disappeared - may've been too much copyright material on that website, since the website quoted heavily from a seemingly authoritative book)'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the author of the book (and the author of the missing website) are with official entries on Wikipedia -- so those two are famous'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i may purchase the seemingly heavily researched authoritative book -- lots of dirt on Islam'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how come the international criminal court released not 1, but 2, warcriminals of crimes against humanity, who are currently running in kenya's presidential elections, but Ratko Mladic' is still in prison?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and the us warns albania against supporting serbian nationalism'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'War criminals make the best presidents.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'albania was the first constitutionally atheist nation in history, until 1991'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they went on a similar pretext in ww2 lithuania'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what business does the USA have in serbia or albania'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or ukraine for that matter, i think All-Ukrainian Union "Svoboda" should be their new government'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'poor hugo chavez.....he died.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'don't worry, they'll get another el presidente who will be just as crazy'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or potentially crazier'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like the vp of venezuela?   He thinks that someone infected chavez with cancer. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'el vice presidente knows best!'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which Whitehouse administration is likely responsible for the cancer infection'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'talk about a huge growth potential expanding wifi services to everything to inflate your cell phone bill even more.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've got a similar service for the elderly'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the phone companies are offering dozens of new services to inflate your monthly bill.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'might be a good time to buy some verizon and att stock. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ATT customer service is going down the toilet best I can tell.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when are most consumers going to wise up and cancel the services they do not require: texting, call waiting, call foewarding, internet, ... '
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have never had a problem with their customer service.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'talking to them and getting stuff done is swell.  It's the whole getting them to communicate with each other that isn't working.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'humans stuck to their computer and cell phones is a social disease'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i do get a lot of finger exercise playing Aardwolf'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'households headed by people under 35 years old, median debt fell by 29% to $15,473 in 2010, compared with $22,000 in 2007.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'means folk stopped buying shit, not that they took a good hard look at their spending habits and started making good choices.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how many USA losers are afflicted with the $15k debt'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is bad for the economy, and good for them :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bad for them in the long run, though.  Bad economies impact jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then again, a reduction in buying crap you dont need is always a good thing...buy smaller homes, higher mpg cars, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just be smart about the debt you take on.....buy a car with a loan, not a damn waterjet.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or just don't get the loan in the first place.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, those kinds of loans are good, it allows you to leverage your income.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you just have to be smart about it.  Never buy 0 down.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless you can make more from investing compared to the deposit on the loan.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'investing is a risky busines -- several countries were ruined because of the crooks in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'investing isn't risky.  Investing in risky investments is, and that's where most brokers make their money.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the nedian debt may've dropped between 2007 and 2010 because many lost their homes and also lost the associated debt'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and some people just plain stopped paying certain forms of debt due to lack of collection (ie, mortgages).  If the bank ain't gonna come take your house because you aren't giving them money, then why not use that significant chunk of change to fix other debt?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people dont try hard enough to avoid debt imo'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so what were the countries that lost fortunes doing when they were investing -- investing in supposedly "sure things"'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'only thing that is sure is death. you have to be foolish or greedy to believe otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wasn't the US, our economy flatlined through the entire recession with a maximum movement of 1% (we lost 1% when the recession hit and then gained it back when it was over).  Japan or UK took something like a 17% hit.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the advice to "avoid risky investments" is not that great, since supposedly sure investments collapsed'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Barack Obama is doing a great job'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great job of what?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I heard his job is Prez of USA'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's he done that's great?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if Hanslanda is talking of the USA and the 1% recession movement'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next you'll be claiming that David Cameron is doing a great job'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda seems pleased that the USa is doing okay'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is doing OK at what?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at economy'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only you could possibly believe that, sir troll'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you hinting that Hanslanda is wrong'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I doubt Hans believes it either'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just have to remember that the good things in the economy are in spite of and the bad things are definitely because of'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'then it makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only positive thing you can say about it is that it isn't as bad as some countries.... which really isn't a credible measure of success or progress'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's the only measuring stick though really'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sequester's the best thing that could've happened to us, actually.  Obama's not only painted his administration into a corner by claiming fiscal armageddon, but has further instructed dependant services not to make spending cuts that would contradict the spin put out by the White House.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'turns out sequestering is barely affecting us at all.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't real terms spending increasing even after sequester?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's always the case'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like chump change, how stupid does he think his people are? oh, that's right, very..... and he's probably right'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'chump change in the grand scheme of things but it is not an overall spending decrease'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but real-terms is just moving money around.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it is disingenous to pretend it is'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't say my government are doing any better, they have hardly put a dent in the structural debt'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'DOW chemical cracks me up'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody recently desired Mitt Romney as prez -- likely so the Mitt may be blamed instead of Barack'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why does the Department of Organic Warfare crack you up?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dow chemical just finished getting permits and such for a new lng plant on the gulf coast to send US natgas to europe......so they are now lobbying congress to put limits on how much US gas can be exported.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those things don't just spring up overnight, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, "Florida high school student suspended for disarming gunman"'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'repubs aren't bargaining in good faith'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is bargaining in good faith'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're politicians'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's similar to the bank teller who was fired for running down the bank robber and getting the bank's money back.  Dude wasn't following company policy.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it makes perfect sense'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all company policy is to let the bastards have the money...it is insured....and it reduces liability.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how does the bank know he wont sue them if he gets injured "running down the bad guy"'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'three Republican-controlled House bills to avoid sequester, zero Democrat-controlled Senate bills to avoid sequester.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or the family won't sue if he kills the bank robber'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that's the bad faith part, giving somone an offer you know they will refuse is not bargaining'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they should sue, they should win $1 and have to pay the costs'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is grandstanding'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what both sides are doing, twyst'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just chop a trillion of defence spending/CIA/DHS, job done'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scrap TSA, scrap FEMA, roll the CIA under military control and cut the pentagon'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a large percentage of citizens want some loopholes closed and the repubs ran on that in the election'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come home from the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'offering that in a package is not grandstanding'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats already turned that down in 2011'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'stop feeding everyone high gi carbs/wheat/sugar/dubious vegetable oils and you'll save a trillion in health care instead, then you can fight wars all over the place?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'face it, the sequester is peanuts and doesn't really matter. it's the only way the democrats can have cuts and have someone to blame for them'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why they didn't negotiate'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it' the only way the republicans can get cuts'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they didn't negotiate'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so ultiamtely it's what both sides wanted'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the DHS hadn't bought such a lot of munitions, weaponary, and light armored tanks, you'd not need a cut at all'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-20243493 this is the kind of people who should lead countries, because they don't treat themselves as god'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we'd get a lot back too if welfare wasn't like diamonds.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'welfare is peanuts'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, that guy is from U-R-Gay!'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'more the kind of definition of democracy, and selling points of communism that never ever have been reached by any professed government type of either'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys could solve your deficit without touching welfare'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just won't'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK's is a bit harder to solve'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wouldn't be that hard, just introduce guns.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guns might help us reduce our violent crime rate, but wouldn't solve the financial problem'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'could or couldn't solve?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couldn't'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'raise the cap on income that is taxed by social security....say $500k or so.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something tells me that won't raise $900bn a year, riz'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont need to raise 900 bn, jobs will do that if we just open up the gates to lots of energy jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'energy jobs create 12 new jobs for EVERY 1 energy job made.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with Obama closing down all the coal plants and refusing oil, doubt that's going to happen'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xantcha: 'We need energy... Americans are (in a lot of cases) overweight... Solution: Pay them to sit on bicycles attached to generators'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he has no say when it comes to private land, and most of the shale oil is on private land.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be better off rendering Michael Moore and generating off him'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Tallow Hal?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something like that'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Rush is pretty corpulent'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gotta be a fair amount of btus in there'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at the fringe benefits, with him gone, he won't spew out vacuous liberal bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just burn down the national forests.  Not only is there a lot of energy locked up there, but the masses can get high as well.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're pushing to have the feds nullify the pot laws'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'according to a new economic growth list.....Texas is one again on top of the list of most large companies creating new jobs.....704 large manufacturing companies created new jobs in Texas in 2012.....the most of any state....and the houston metroplex led Texas with 107 companies creating manufacturing jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ohio was 2nd.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'quality is better than quantity'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys aren't paying nearly enough fuel tax ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I agree...raise it 2 pennies per year for 10 years'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why?  We'll easily pay 10 times that much anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need the money to keep fixing the roads we have.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '5-dollar gas is a near-certainty at this point.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but that isnt tax'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only 18 cents is federal gas tax.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you DO realize that's not all the fuel tax assessed on gas, right?'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'state tax is whatever your state adds to it'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in MO, at least half if not 3/4ths of what you pay at the pump is just tax.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no it isnt :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not at all'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'IL recently abolished their state gas tax, but not sure if they put it back.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'combined state and fed is ~50c/gallon on average'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they abolished their gas tax, but are trying to send people to prison for life for videoing police'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and forcibly installing smartmeters on people who don't want them'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why anyone would want to live in maryland is beyond me though.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're doing that for the Minority Report computer.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by having utilities usage uploaded to the internet, the government can hack the utility databases to figure out if you're running an illegal growing op or not.'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need to hack'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, they've gotta get through the firewall, and the utility companies can always say "you need a warrant first".'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only that, they can also determine what appliances you have on, and can turn certain ones off if they wish, including altering your heating settings (if you have certain types of heating controllers)'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they do not'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the utility companies co-operate'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best people can do is install a filter in an electric socket to fuck up any network over powerline signals, and maybe make a wireless-blocking sheaf for the smartmeter (though they will probably arrest you for 'interfering' with utility company propert'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see, the maryland gov raided the transportation fund of $1 billion last year to balance the budget, and now wants to raise the maryland gas tax by 15 ents per gallon to fill it back up.....you guys elected a poser. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas elected a businessman, and you guys elected a poser. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MD wants to raise taxes by $3.4bn'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll just blow up the ship'
T3/r7/2013-03-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, a large movie theater popcorn has 1 full stick of butter on it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sooo tasty.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, impressive lava flows from volcanos in the russian far east.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'interesting, there are 6 volcanoes erupting worldwide right now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'make that five, its taco night :P'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does that include Kilewea in Hawaii?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Kilauea?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's an amazing thing to stare down into a lava flow.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Err.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You generally don't want to be close enough to stare down into any lava flow.  Not because of the heat, but because there are usually poisonous gases involved.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'There are places to go where you are not in any real danger.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'even if it's not completely risk free of course'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'ethiopea has some awesome volcanoe fields, so does the kamchatka region of russia'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'generally nowhere near the volcanoes that go boom.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i seen them on documentaries, keeps it pretty warm in that part of russia year round'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the exploding ones are particularly bad to be close to'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'this debate is hot /duck'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'saw a pretty awesome clip of what happens when someone throws garbage into lava though, catches on fire and explodes, throwing lava about'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can do the same thing with water and a grease fire'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, the difference is that no matter what you throw at the lava it won't cool down so you'd notice. The effect is more.. spectacular with lava.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, first edition 3d printed gun shot 6 bullets before it failed......2nd edition 3d printed gun using a new gun design and resin shot 600+ times without failure, and would have gone more, but they ran out of bullets for the test.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno, I bet a canister of liquid nitrogen would cool it down enough to notice.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'The new warhead utilizes sodium hydride compounds / chemical reaction'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'on detonation a large amount of sodium powder is released, which reacts with seawater to produce large amounts of very-high-temperature hydrogen within a very short period of time, so that the temperature instantly increases to over 2,000 °C within a radius of a few dozen metres as the hydrogen reacts with oxygen, destroying the target even if not hit.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'probably like the grease on water and throwing things into volcanoes i guess'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu-6_torpedo'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'titanium melts at 1600 or 1700 c'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it would be a pretty interesting reaction if one throws liquid nitrogen on lava. But nitrogen isn't nearly as cold as lava is hot so it would still flow on wihout a big change in temperature.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cool, now we just need to miniaturize the printer and release a virus that turns us into vampires and the stage is set for Ultraviolet's arrival.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coming soon to police near you.....if they pull you over for a traffic stop, they will be able to take your DNA and test it against a database of past crimes with DNA saved....if your DNA matches.....you are arrested.  Welcome to 1984.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'earth could probably beat the snot out of any human invention though if it wanted to, like volcanoes and stuff, not sure if that'd ever change'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how is that 1984?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't hurt that the scale is so radically in favor of the planet.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'you dont know what 1984 is'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it is though, evolving into the ultimate police state, and as corrupt of a mind as any human has shown to have in the past, is applicable to be in control of that state'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'big hair and glittery rock n roll.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snaebjorn laughs out loud at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there's alot of real developments that can be placed side by side and shown to be turning into something like all them conspiracy's'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can also find patterns in white noise if you look hard enough'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i've never understood what white noise is meant to be'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'static'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'random'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the voice of the universe.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if you listen to some songs of mine though, you can hear different lyrics than are posted'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not random, really.  The shapes come about from some sort of math principle.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'of theirs, but that i listen to occassionally, i can tell the difference between reality and fiction though'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only in the most obvious cases.  Without a reason to doubt your senses, you're gonna fall into the trap of perception = reality just as easily as the rest of us.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they say plants communicate with one another, interspecies etc, through chemicals released in their roots (and possibly bugs will carry phenotypes between one another that'll alter their development), so biology as a whole, and possibly more than just what is understood to contain life might all communicate in one way or another'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the method to the white noise if there is , i'm not an atheist though, psychology's a subject that millions upon millions of papers have been written about, case studies , philosophies, theory's, etc, metaphysics'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'individual's definitely exist though, just not everything about everything is known to people'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '(i think)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'digital recordings change the original sounds so that some lyrics are interpreted differently'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how about deja vu when in a new moment, as though repeating what's already been repeated, except it's new - where would a feeling like that originate?  what similarities exist if there is none, for it to be a delusion?  alot of psychology relies on the precept's that all mental illness is founded on the basis of prior event's and their associated inner-complexities (anxiety/fear, etc), but if there is none, then where does that make psychological precept's absolute? http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/Modern_Science_and_the_Dehumanization_of_Man-by_Phillip_Sherrard.aspx this article's got some intriguing content about that'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'sources to research articles that heavily influenced modern philanthropy and things like that, pyrrhonism's got some of what i got in mind about it too'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'tldr:P actually the human brain is pretty spectacular at pattern recognition, but it makes mistakes'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the M&M advert on TV of the brown M&M saying "we don't have ears" when paying attention is heard as "we don't have you" when not paying attention -- upon examination, the "ears" is intonated as "you" -- to imitate, when pronouncing "ears" use a "you" query sound overlay'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, i notice that in myself too, i've studied my mind quite alot, there's still alot of things i can't explain though, irrationality in particular, where some of it comes from is mysterious'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i believe the existance of intelligent spiritual forces is possible though, or at least a mind beyond understanding - here in the world i'd wager it's mostly demonic though '
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'cause i'm not an atheist'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'less likely to happen with analog, since the ears use extra queues yet present with analog to interpret that speech, queues that are missing or reduced in digital versions'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so i consider them in parallel with other things, even if not verifiable, indications and clues'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the lyrics of "heart of glass" in analog are more readily heard than those same lyrics in digital '
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the digital music is mp3 (noise), the lyrics are going to be "changed" more often'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i think records had the best sound quality'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'casettes weren't too bad though, cd's and these others are limited by binary calculations, which i don't think were a factor in the others'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the song "Sultans of Swing" by Dire Straits in both analog and digital are different to the official printed lyrics, since the lead singer dropped a few verses during the recording  (lazy drug-addled git?)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'vinyl records risk ruin when played (since some forms of static seem to etch the vinyl) -- so the best practice is to use Gruv-Glide on the vinyl before playing the vinyl and transfer the vinyl sound to the best-quality cassette tape, and play the cassette tape'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'if you insist on playing etched plastic, your best bet to preserve the material is with lasers'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Gruv-Glide was an expensive spray from a pressurised can - unsure whether manufactured any more - Gruv-Glide when properly used did reduce static to 0 on a pristine vinyl record'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are laser players of vinyl records actual or merely a con-myth'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'yes they are real'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'and something that makes no contact with the surface is the only way to guarantee preservation'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'light bouncing off a surface is still making contact, though.  It's the basis for solar propulsion, for example.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'high quality analog cassette tapes are able to record the sound of a pin dropping in the background during an orchestral piece which the ear is able to discern  -- digital is unable to do that as accurately'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much do laser players of vinyl records cost these days'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'several years ago, i looked at the prices of laserplayers of vinyl records, and was told on irc that the website advertising them was a scam'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to drop 7 to 14 grand on a laser-vinyl-record-player is a big risk (unless extremely rich, when 14k is merely petty cash)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rabshakeh, if you believe that the world is "demonic", you are likely going to burn out and fizzle -- you may be fighting a see of illusions conjured by paranoia and delusions -- seemingly hopeless endless battle(s) of futilty,  (raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own confusion) (yet seeking something) (a windmill perhaps)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'everybody's likely to burn out and fizzle eventually aren't they?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless you were born immortal.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'at least i'm not following a holy writ in my speculation's'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i just consider some of them :o'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how come if you look for the good in the world, you're almost always contradicted by what you really see there'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'at least, i am'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you know, so if i'm going to consider spirituality, it seems some of it is pretty hateful of the dirt we're born under'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what religion's ever been written before the world was contradictory to the good in itself'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they make up reasons why it's how it is, but did they ever really see it otherwise?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how come adam never wrote down a history book of how he shouldn't have listened to eve's serpent'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's a fine start though, endless imaginationining available in trying to decode the broad-desire for reality of the genesis story'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because the Adam and Eve story never really happened.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'just because no religion is affirmatively irrevocable in it's true detailings of the verifiability of it's deity, doesn't mean no such deity exists though, just maybe no book can contain the inventor of reality'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'always some contestations seem apparent, and usually there are writ's of what to do with such unbelievers, adding to the weight of the spirit of the religion, which is infallibly unquestioning in it's utmost honesty, and deliberate execution of the rational mind'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'druzil's new char?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the interpretation of the dictionary you are using (along with the defective "encyclopedia") is likely yet inadequate, so when you attempt to look at the world, you are yet misdirected by illusions and errored interpretations'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'yeah, and zade is that other one. the paranoid one who thinks his ears are magic'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'zade's not me, but i am'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'what's his name. starts with an x maybe?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'xyliz is another notable one'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'xyliz, fiendish'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'starling got nuked for botting'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'No, she did not.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'where were they nuked for then, change the reason'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'starling got nuked for something entirely unrelated to botting'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'She did not get nuked for botting.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'maybe lasher'll nuke me for you guys soon'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'are you botting?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i never botted'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'so what's the problem?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not sure the rules on botting actually cover channel chatter...'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rabshakeh, a first step (among many) is to not lie to yourself'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'botting channels is explicitly disallowed'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '(for one, it's spammy to everyone else)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mr roboto'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'ok, then start with 'what is god', or 'what is the problem', since there seems to be a problem, what determines what the lie to oneself is, when considering the immensurate'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'reminds me of lemon'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sonshi: 'well, you don't have to bot channels... call lasher or some other imm various (bad) names or something often enough, and that person won't be around for too long...'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'some things can only be seen by seeing what they're not'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's a form of communication in some circles'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'also how science works isn't it?  '
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'science works by magic'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, any sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'sure, and the way i just described a communication method is a method through which groups of you have called me bad names'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I didn't call you a bad name'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'lets not directly offend, lets give hints accumulatively and attack from the shadows'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i've done the same though, is dick-tator a bad word'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that was an old joke of mine, about the value of agriculture in a pillaged world'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't matter for this channel, except that there's an unofficial obligation to keep this channel classier than curse.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rabshakeh, another first step (among many) is reduce that ego and the desire for vindication and approval -- seek truth instead and seek to be safely benign'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2011/10/hung-o27.html consider this for instance, see how much unfertile land hungary is located upon, population being 9 million roughly, and here they claim 100,000 children - not including adults, are starving to death in 2011'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'which is ideally the analogy of 'trotskyism' stalin during the 1930's genocide of ukraine in holodomor, so a potatoe dictator, and a modelling agency came to mind'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'my hate is sometimes misguided but represented independently of where it's sourced from, it's not as shallow as a skin tone though'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the use of more contraceptives is the hindsight answer to the numbers of starving children '
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'sure, i guess in your face-hostility isn't always the way to have discussions, but some people don't react to anything but, because they're too almighty like starving the surface area of agricultural independent hungary to population genocide death, through fencing off the rent spikes that impale vlad's enemies'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'really you say, now you're showing more of your jewish side, wasn't it soros who saved hungary from the USSR'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'which of my sides is the jewish one?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or that 'sect' of yours, whatever it may be called, as i said i'm not skin deep in my entertaining opponents'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the road to a worse hell is also paved with bleeding-heart intentions"'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rabshakeh, if you say you believe in some god, note that god does not seem care about those starving children either'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'he might not, but i find it offensive'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a genuine caring god likely cares more about the ecology than the excess overpopulation of starving children'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'really, if you study population density for land mass, i'd say people in hungary shouldn't have to starve very much at all, they could all weigh more than yokozuna the chinese fat - wrestler from the wwf if they so desired, seeing how much food can be produced there'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but now you are calling them and their self-sustainment a selfishness, justifying extermination for the higher-good of your ubermensch'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and i don't think they live in germany, do they?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'except the stark fact is that when the starving (children) are fed, they (grow up and) overbreed until (more are) starving again, and they destroy the ecology and cause animal insect and plant species to go extinct, (destroying millions of years of evolutionary work) -- perhaps "god" prefers that excess humans starve -- and the Apocalypse of John certainly indicates this attitude by "god"'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'name one white nation that is over-bred'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there's india, there's china, there's africa - is it racism or observation'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the resources and energy hog called the USA'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the definition of overbred'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'russia's the largest nation on earth of land mass, lets see it's population: 141,930,000 - 2011'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'china is smaller than russia.. population?  1,344,130,000 - 2011'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how much of that land mass is in easily livable areas'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that is over 10 times the population'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '1,241,491,960 - 2011 - india'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'who's got a problem with breeding itself, white's?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'as a racially-neutral observation, lets see which subspecies are most elaborate in their breeding inequalities'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is a subjective measure'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the randy shall inherit the earth.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the appropriate level of population density?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's not including the rest of population of asia or middle east, or even mentioning that of north/south africa'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the entire american continents is populated at maybe a billion people, maybe a little more'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what caused atilla the hun to make war on rome'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'does that mean it is overpopulated or underpopulated'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'he was hun-gry'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'for one hun-dread alex'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Rome was easy pickings at that point.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rabshakeh, your "bleeding heart" platform seems to be a recipe for more overbreeding and worse ecological extinctions -- your policies seem to by anti-god'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plus, the alternative was Count Dracula and that guy really scared the shit out of Attila.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the perspective of "God", the human population of the planet earth requires to reduced to (say) less than a billion and a half'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and there's where nationalists need to internationally unite and make a bleeding-heart platform for world war 3 on'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'who's the good shepherd here on earth, you?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'who's herd is gonna be culled, yours?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'you 2 are fun to watch'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'amazing how the people advocating 'culling' are never the ones in danger of it'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"God" likely disagrees with that ruinous bleeding-heart sentiment about feed the starving by opening up more areas tso humans may overbreed even more'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i never advocated culling nobody as an initiator, i was born into a world where population control was becoming well established for the last 100 years already - since they're insisting more and more though, that's why i think about it - like some 'sects' of people'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'not you, man'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since the world population doubled withing the last 100 years, that "world where population control was becoming well established for the last 100 years already" is blatantly false'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not necessarily so, Zasde.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the fact that less people die has a lot to do with it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'without the alleged population control instead of 2x over 100 years it might have been 3x.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'is this the god-like qualities you desire in the ubermensch, amongst the billion - zade? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgpaKkrZex4'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was no "population control" until very recently (as in China)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'maybe he was just joking around, he had a sardonic sense of humour, but he seems fairly arrogant doesn't he?  how many born rich people like that will be controlling the 'justification of existance' in your utopic 'desire of god' planet'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'population control along with eugenics are pretty distasteful subjuects'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i don't watch youtube references - no software'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'ok, well, it's bernard shaw deciding who's a parasite in society and who's not, reflected upon in the change of ideology discoursed in http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/Modern_Science_and_the_Dehumanization_of_Man-by_Phillip_Sherrard.aspx'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'of course it'll be the communist party leaders, the high priests of (religion), the rich and the royalty - finding the most subservient benefits to their pampered continuance'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's why i posted the link to that guy from uruguay the other day, he's a pretty atypical world leader isn't he?  living on a farm like an ordinary person, quite the contrast to these others - more my idea of a nationalist, who wouldn't find so many reasons why hungary should starve'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's no prob to people like shaw though, he's a lordling, entertainer of the most high arrogant dictators of his time, buttering their starved gluttony'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the only "population control" was the world wars (and several minor wars), and the various genocides and mass starvations -- and following those "extermijnations", the populace was enourage to breed -- so basically there was no (benign) policy of "population control" -- so don't tell lies'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you say that like it's a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and don't say that "baby boomers" were an example of "population reduction" in action '
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are ignoring India's official birth control policy that has been in effect for at least 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and wether a birth control policy works or not comes down to the individual, unless the government is willing to castrate at birth.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'why is there so much need of abortion and birth control except a fundamentally immoral society, there were less harlots in historic societies while more moral values were predominantly the norm'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, I don't know, I bet that the ability to feed them has a lot to do with it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, morals were just there for public display.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's all about meat to some of you people, societies weren't always this rotted though'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'can assure you that there were a zillion other rotten things about past societies'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a simple study of rat behavior when there is overcrowding will tell you what will happen if the birth rate runs rampant.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'let's start with 'oh she's an old woman who lives alone, BURN HER! SHE'S A WITCH!''
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'lets start also with the desire of the conqueror to eradicate the memory of the 'saved' from ever being otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I always find it very amusing that those "moral" people who oppose birth control are not willing to feed those whose morality allows to live.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did the population of India stop increasing, or was that "official birth control policy" defective and ineffective'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that is because most of them see the children as a way to punish people for having sex.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they take a moral stand against birth control and let others worry about the maintenance problem their morality causes.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i find it funnier that people who protest human rights of a lesser nature won't dare challenge the taboo of a higher culling'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'killing indian babies is bad karma, let the English and the Spaniards do it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there has always been culling, some call it natural selection. Natural selection uses many agents including members of the target set.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems starvation and lack of resources is currently among the most effective methods of population control, that and wars  '
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that has always been the case, Zade. People starved millions of years ago, so it is nothing new.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, stress leads to an increased desire to procreate.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a lot of bread gets made after a disaster hits'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk, Rabshakeh wickedly talks of "culling" -- and fails to suggest the benign alternatives of population reduction'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Well, stress often does put me in a "fuck everything" sort of mood.. but not one having to do with procreation'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a lower population margin is a better trigger, Hanslanda.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'pessimistic outlook on future events based on (recent) history and world currents shouldn't increase desire to procreate should it?  there's no security for the offspring, but there's alot of lustful virtues sold to society through it's professional, media and education systems'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: ''unfit earth' isn't a bad judgement for a responsible parent, even the rich aren't safe from one another'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as I said before, Zade. If you are willing to feed the resultant masses that your position will create, I will be willing to support you :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'better when you can be sure your neighbour isn't a stranger and the community watches out for itself'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and it is not the editorial "you"'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"me get involved - nope"'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then, stfu :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"me stay silent - nope"'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'youse require to work out a lot of (grossly defective) inconsistencies in your opinions'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda will not rest until his mission is fulfilled.
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of you require somebody to indicate where your opinions are grossly defective (at the holistic level) -- perhaps some of you may even come up with some decent policies that don't lead to the ruination depletion (with extinctions) of the world ecology'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently i (and god) are pro-world ecology, where protection the ecology is far more important than the excess redundant populations of the human race'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'population does not affect the ecology, it's the artificial alteration of the environment that does. Put another way, technology, being artificial, will always impact the ecosystem. It can be said that any external impact is detrimental, by definition.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that, and what advancements and alternatives exist are neglected as too costly or otherwise, resulting in continuation of the 'ecology problem' of zade's'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Anasristos -- human overpopulation does affect the ecology '
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they don't actually try to solve problems for the 'higher calling', focusing more on using their ignorance as justification for the 'higher culling''
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you want to build a boat that mimics a log drifting downriver, the ecology will not be affected. If you want to build a power plant to move a ship, the ecology will be affected, negatively, by definition.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if they were trying things to fix things then that'd be different, but i think not, and therefore are you full of shit?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Take it easy, all of you.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some documentaries on tv seems to like to state that "every day, ## more species go extinct", and those extinctioins are caused by industry seeking to supply the human population'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the harpy eagle is a different story, though recently it seems even interpol has gotten interested in illegal logging, while that's part of what they're after (the timber of those old trees, the other is gold in the soil), and is gold neccessary jurisdiction for extinction?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it can't be denied that some artificial processes are causing extinction, however extinction has always been part of the ecology.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rashakeh, learn to use polite language to tell your debate opponent that they are grossly wrong -- you may prefer to author an informative accurate book some day - practice make perfect'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they need money though, and like i was saying the other day , unless you own the concept of worth on earth, what kind of optimistic outlooks are there?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'worth isn't a very democratic determination among the populations of inhabitants of earth'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'although, this water is valuable to somebody dying of thirst, it's better mixed with cyanide in extracting some gold to it's foreign landowner'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Anasristos -- the number of extinctions these days is not a normal part of the ecology -- unless a comet smashing into the planet and killing off billions of humans is viewed as "nornal"'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Ecclesiastes 1:4 -> Men come and go, but the earth abides :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, if you are looking to save the ecology, just be patient :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'given enough time, the earth will return to its pristine state.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'ecclesiastes was also the son of a hedonist king who had over 700 wives and innumerable concubines (side-hobby's)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'who partook in his inherited family values'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and your claim is what?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so all wisdom coming from a man in a golden temple doesn't shower me with insight, i consider the deception in those words instead, and if there isn't any then there isn't any'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Last and First Men" by Olaf Stapledon  -- in that scifi book, the humans went extinct'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, I see :) But you wouldn't mind my wisdom coming from you. With all due respect, I find your credentials at least as suspect.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i never said mine ws any better'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i wasn't born a lord-king inherited earth like him and those other examples though'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then I fail to see your point.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and of course, noble birth impairs the mind. We all know  that.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'he said 'vanity of vanities, all is vanity', while indulging in every aspect of earthly grandeur available at his time, at the expense of everybody else'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'of course he'd know best for them, how come he bothered to buddha lick the sugar cubes in the first and last place'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Why do you assume that because he understood the process in which he was involved, he had to react to it? Anyone can say "Doing this is wrong" while doing it. It doesn't make the act less wrong because the actor continues to indulge.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is possible to be a hypocritically wise man :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm not sure, i've never had the opportunity to try'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'one would say that a lover of the ecology was being hypocritical when he drove to work :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would not denied that he loved, I would just think that he didn't love THAT much :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos, your policy of "exinctions are natural" even when at epidemic rates, is not reassuring -- seems you are doing a fancy talk spiel to justify human avaraice while the ecology is being devastated, so that eventually even the human race shall be in peril ("And unless these days be ended, no flesh be saved" - biblical quote justifying end of days)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'just picture that then, sitting down in front of all the starving children you see on african world vision commercials while you eat your supper with shame, for they cannot, and tell them how come eating really is vanity, and god would have it no other way but to starve'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'of course most people don't think like that, but that's the type of hypocrisy you're trying to rationalize solomon and his spawn's as'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and there's nothing at all that the person watching television can do to help those people, especially as they cannot see their donation turn into progress of the 'teaching to fish' variety'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, gee, Zade. Do you see any Neanderthal walking around? I don't mean that euphemistically.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i read one quote that claimed only 7% of the over 17 billion in foreign aid and charity destined to haiti after their earthquake actually was utilized in humanitarian projects, whether or not what i heard/read was correct is left to research'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems the Apocalypse of John and other biblical scriptures were aware that "flesh" was in peril from extinctions'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we are all in peril of extinction. The other day, in California, a man died when his house was swallowed by a sink hole while he slept. The body was never recovered.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was swept out to sea, a killer whale will eventually poop the leftovers out.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe so, the point is, that nature is a violent mistress. We are in danger of being destroyed every single second.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we all look at natural catastrophes as oddities of nature when in fact, over the history of the planet, they are quite common. '
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, another asteroid zooming close to earth has been found.....that is 2 this week...the next one will come 2.5x the distance of the moon to the earth.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if these suckers had been heating towards earth...we would have had no chance of stopping them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'heading that is.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Which is why we need to expand the search the sky initiative with more funding so that more then 2% of the sky can be scanned per year.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, you think maybe they want to place some nuclear warheads into orbit in order to 'sway off' the asteroid threat?  world's been alright without those for as long as the world's been around, maybe some detection mechanism's and ground-based prevention strategy's are better trusted'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nasa's new pet project for space rocks is a one-two punch using nukes.  First one will be to dig a hole, second one will be for pulverizing the one big rock into many small ones.'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't know, think of it though, how a nuclear warhead could be shot down to earth and i was an asteroid instead, the system has failed - not much checks and measures involved in things like that, and alot more of a world-wide poliec state evolving from it isn't there?'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or it was a random space debris falling on a strategic target'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hrm, if a comet hits the planet earth killing billions, do you hope for a quick death, or a slow death, or the horrid life in the freezing weather likely to result  :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i think the world's naturally survived for longer than man's allegedly (not arriving from outer space) been on it'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if there can be safe way's that can't be abused to detect problems like those and do something about it, nothing wrong with trying to develop that'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but i still think that terrestrial life-forms, that are the alleged reason for protection from the sky, shouldn't be neglected in order to defend them from the sky'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'which is where the investment problems come from, if a real scientist or people is interested in building something, they do it'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rabshakeh, "and i was an asteroid instead" is a nonsense conjecture unworthy of serious debate'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i was a imaginary dictator, 'plausible deniability''
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'for instance, you seen maybe on russia's news networks that some of them thought the shockwave was a american military device being tested, so to prevent tensions more collaberation would be required, wouldn't it?  separating the terrestrial protected from the intergalactic assassination 'god''
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers to conjecture "if i was an imaginary god, what would i do" -- answer "likely the same as usual, very little -- i'm resting, seventh day" .. "What, it's only the sixth day - darn!"
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'imaginary gods aren't able to do...'
T3/r7/2013-03-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'http://www.israndpaulstilltalking.com/'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Researchers who transplanted human brain cells into newborn mice said the rodents grew up to be smarter than their normal littermates, learning how to associate a tone with an electric shock more quickly and finding escape hatches faster.'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'just like humans, then'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'should that science be legal?'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'genetically modified human organisms, they already have something like 3/4 of the unique human genome patented in singapore according toa  documentary i seen'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'more than slavery, you're a human figment of their imagination that they own the meat of the mind of'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The experiments are aimed at making models to study human brain diseases such as Huntingtons and schizophrenia, as well as nerve diseases such as multiple sclerosis. But the team at the University of Rochester say their findings also suggest that these brain cells, called glial cells, may very well be one of the important factors that make humans different from other animals.'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'genesis will finally be real, they can sequence it in their lab's of the future, as they become your eternal god's like the predator's in the gladiator matches in antarctica (alien versus predator, and some caesar and ham)'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'failed corn crops, cancerous results (studies), patented pigs, salmon, mice with human ears attatched to them, mice with human brain cells added to them, patented human genome (the unique separate from apes) 75% as of documentary, mendele (angel of death) experimenting on twins in history studies, rats without immune systems, biometric registration in india (250 million), 1 card for all services in taiwan, electric money in sweden, rfid chips on students in texas, implants being normalized over time along with abortion versus the promiscuity and social corruption which results in more promiscuous activities than historically reckoned, fish protein in french fries, anti-carcinogens in fast food restauraunts, calcium pills imported from south africa (likely zimbabwe)'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'all alot to consider, but there's definitely a method to the madness, like cloud computing and my theory of the hatred of knowledge in communist influenced countries such as cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'also not much elaboration on south korea's prison robots, which 'using ai, instead of remote control', determine a suicidal prisoner and a risk prisoner, but are unarmed for separation from the flock, while at the meantime developing automated gun turrets in their defense company, no mention if RFID chips are worn by the prisoners, and how zoned in those guns may be on such a parameter'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but they have that tech imported to 4 american universities and one in algeria if i read correctly'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so maybe it'll make for better security in the future'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'worldwide there are around 650 million guns in circulation.....how do we get a gun into the hands of the other 5.5 billion people ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'funny isn't it, britain supplies islamic extremists in syria with weapons but doesn't sell them to it's own citizens'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'your taxes at work'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or are you american, you also provide some foreign aid like that around the world'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'canada builds helicopter engines for chinese military choppers though, so i imagine we're into some 70 million dollar less than originally bargained potash deals, which are for use in agriculture instead of explosives'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'ironically, they find it hard to steal enough from the tax-payer to pay their monopoly suppliers'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so they can't have their own up to date stuff, at least historically'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'britain imports islamic extremists and deosn't protect their citizens from them, and gives them guns in syria, while not giving their own people any to protect themselves'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'sad kind of situation sin't it, who can make sense of it all'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'sweden also set up a arms manufacture facility in arabia too, possibly cause the princesses husband doesn't look swedish'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'seeing how he got his humble fortune seems to involve minerals like that stuff'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Norway is the best country to retire in as a citizen.'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they just imported 112,000 somalian and afghani's and other volatile, mostly non-integrational 'minorities' in 2012'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but the news , and video interview show that islam's on the rise in norway too, they want to sever heads for not observing ramadan, and declare oslo a shariah county'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'quite the government you got (we got) anyways, imports the enemy and arms them in foreign countries, and defends their rights to desecrate yours'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'should check out some vid's of them riots in london in 2011, the cops did nothing'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they say 600,000 native english people left london in the last few years, and only 200,000 remained in the country (or were accounted for there)'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but there is now over 500,000 illegal immigrants living there'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'not legal immigrants'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'don't they have hydrogen bombs and are trying to make war on argentina over a little island'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'filth governments all over the world, traitors to whatever land they claim'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome that Rand Paul's antics got Noddy Holder to back down'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think i am'
T3/r7/2013-03-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Heehaw!  U.S. officials publicly express confidence that the national missile defense system based in Alaska would be able to shoot down any incoming North Korean ICBM.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'And? You think they're going to issue a press release that says, "Welp. We've spent unthinkable amounts of money on stuff we assure you is keeping you safe. They've got a giant rubber band and a couple of soda cans filled with kerosine. If they ever decide to use those, we're screwed."'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kerosene is good stuff....lets produce more!'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( Jet fuel is basically kerosene )
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US military is one of the most inefficient bloated govt departments in the whole US....and it is creating a 'crisis' saying training and a few other things will need to be reduced because they do not want to cut weapons programs that are not needed....like a Navy program to build a new warship that has doubled in price to $440 million each,and the weapons on the new ship are considered obsolete already.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't forget the Sgt. York, I love that tank :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is that the new tank, that even the Army does not even want ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, and it's quite obsolete, though it's probably the most modern tank ever :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, tanks are WWII technology, like the battleship.....not needed anymore'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a highly mobile military needs weapons that can be moved to battles quicky.....a 50 ton tank is not easy to move. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'http://articles.latimes.com/1985-08-27/news/mn-25222_1_tank-arm'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh, 1985 ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'precisely, tank warfare it's a thing of the past.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the project is not quite dead, it's just on hold :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are waiting to see if they can add airborne capabilities :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a flying tank would be awesome :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so would a flying donkey.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth points excitedly at a flying donkey???!!!!
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a donkey doesn't have quite the firing rate :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can hear their sonic heehaw from miles away. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, but you have to admit, they would be hard to stop, they only way to do so was to completely destroy them in the air.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a tank coming at you at 200 mph might want to make you go somewhere else :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'do realistically 50 mph would be tops'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We just sold $1.3 billion worth of tanks to Egypt.....and Egypt used money we gave them to buy them...:p'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, in th desert tanks make sense.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need to cancel the F-35 program.....it is already 8 years behind schedule, and the total cost has increased to $400 billion in the next 20 years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is stupid to spend $250 million for a stealth jet, when a modern F-15E still has air superiority....or an F-14'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is as pretty plane :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The new version of the F-15 only costs about $18 million each.....and besides....unmanned aircraft will replace the fullsize jet program in the near future.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the bigger question is, what would they oppose if deployed? I mean, they are using stealth against armies that can hardly afford shoes for their troops.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, no other military is willing to spend the money on next generation jets.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a newer version of the swiss army knife would pose a big thread to those armies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'threat*'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even the Russians canceled their next generation jet program over 10 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's because the MIG-35 is still an ass-kicker :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the mig35 is their next generation jet....they cant afford to build more :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, and it is sufficient'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They have built 3 of them in the last 3 years. :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are smart in spending their money elsewhere :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, like more resource extraction.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only opponent the Russians would really have is the US, in which case there will be no need to leave the ground :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the F-16C is a damn fine jet also...and only costs $18 million each as well....the F-35 was flown against the F-16 at an airshow, and they couldnt beat eachother.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er the mig-35'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is  big doubt that the F-35 can justify it's cost. It's stealth is questionable.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost 4800 F-16 fighting falcons have been built so far.....damn fine jet.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love the F-16....it looks kinda like a Viper in the bsg tv series.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'michael o'hare died.....he played jeffrey sinclair on B5.....the B5 curse.....they all die young.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the actor who played Zathras died also...from a motorcycle accident.....Dr franklin actor died from a aortic dissection, G'kar actor died from lung cancer, Zack Allen char died from complications of alcohol poisoning, '
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on Thursday warned state and local health officials about potential infections from a deadly virus similiar to the common cold and SARS previously unseen in humans that has now sickened 14 people and killed 8. '
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the new disease appears to have originated in the Middle East.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er new virus.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if it's impossible for the government to justify the abundance of resources (utilized) in the creation of the steel/iron/other materials used in manufacturing the product (pioneering independent) technology of warfare or utility, mouths to feed per land mass, land destruction for export for import of things the unemployed could have produced, then why do they bother?'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'just say, this is wh's collecting atilla's taxes and stop with the false war's already'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so this here , f-35 jet costs 135 million cheap ones, but from ground up, without technology ignorant schooled to understand how to build it better yourself, on the dole itself the employment ring, how much would that jet cost from melted ores to fuel taken from the national well?'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '135 isn't too bad i guess, but there was the example of 250 million dollar warship suddenly costing 500 million'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'seen some stealth jets flying around the other day though, there was a jetstream then there was none - it was pretty neat to see'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '3 in a row'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'nah, it was just the temp in the air changed so no stream was left behind ;), but i think using people's taxes (more and more unemployed) to buy monopoly tools of war is bullshit, when there's minds capable of comprehending every fraction of the information used in developing those weapons, resources all over (with foreign 'stakeholders') which could be seized and utilized by the new tax-payer funded workforce developing military hardware'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'among other things, nationalism can solve alot of problems, raise overall quality of life (socialism) and develop a stronger nation, where participation is available for all creeds'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i understand a bag of wheat for a bag of rice though, and some limited scientific interoperability in the world'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but if a chinese immigrant comes to canada, they should want to be a canadian citizen, shouldn't they?  not here on a work visa for their communist-corporation owned oil sands project or coal mine (which is a difficult job mining coal and dangerous, but there still was the odd canadian felt left out of the opportunity with the high unemployment rate), for instance'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or if a muslim comes to canada, they should want to not live in a muslim country'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'isn't canada secular?'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they can do their muslim religion exclusive of the world domination strategy inherent in the world news'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'canada's basically owned by everybody but itself'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and they don't have separation of churhc and state the same way america does, as republican convention last time broke that rule by opening sikh ceremony (symbolic), or building mosques in the middle east in a peace strategy'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'canada funds churches in uganda , with taxes, and doles out a 5 million per year tax to a office on religious freedom in a mosque in toronto, headed by a christian'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'which is all non-separation of church and state'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, if action counts more than law, the US is definitely not secular'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, i don't see much racism against indians or negroes in (america or canada) as far as the system is concerned, the system rather violates it's citizens democracy to affront them with statements that it does, indians and negroes are put in prison so often because they commit so many more crimes than whites per capita, it's like saying they should get away with doing crimes because they're indians or negroes - which is inverted racism eventually - i've met people who've worked with indians who they liked, yet despised racist indians who they don't - the government would rather have that distinction not be made'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i do know that occassionally racism is a factor in administrative decisions, but that's not all the time, and it does work both ways'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i hope they figure out something cleaner in the future though'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://uhurunews.com/ (a) black power website, they got some interesting articles, not all unreasonable, like the one on agriculture (replicating india's gmo debt treadmill, from a documentary in mexico)'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'hear of sites like stormfront alot, or chimpout, but not others - neither of the previous sites, though the latter contains sometimes more elaborate derogatory portrations it also includes reference to personality traits that differ between members of such ethnicity - but , i foun that site after seeing somebody from kenya's title of burning spear military operating some UN project in liberia, whic i had watched a documentary on from vicetv, which was pretty horrendous'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so , just though i'd point out that they exist, for any curious'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'interesting was an article on the donner incident, and the revolution's interpretation of django unchained'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'also interesting is the new programs being implemented in DR Congo mentioned on the unmission website, but how news updates in various sections weren't updated since 2011 - 2010 in some portions, while majority of the un task force there is from egypt and possibly sudan iirc'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'sounds like they got some decent objectives though'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rand Paul got an answer, after 3 letters and a 13hr fillibusters, just a shame the answer was sorta-duplicitous'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and if they can't stop women being lawfully raped in tahrir square protest egypt, then how do their UN missionaries in DR congo project expect to implement their non-rape strategies (mentioned on unmissions), where women and children were raped in front of their male's in villages and things like that for years'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part of the muslim brotherhood's thing is that women are property'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'just saying, it seems odds to me are something fishy's going on there, like when i noticed canada's milano (model) charity agency's doctors having that stalin/hussein mustache'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be their fault'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'on a commercial'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if they all had guns....that kinda crap would stop.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bd54pJLJwxo unicef canada'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, it would'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some judicial figure told an inquest where a rape victim was giving evidence in a fight to get no-gun zones lifted off campus told her "a gun wouldn't have helped you fight off your raper"'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet if the US smuggled in tens of thousands of guns to women in those countries, the laws would change almost overnight as radical asshole men were killed in their sleep by armed women.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't give them guns, they're not america-hating terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i didn't watch it, but the other week (month) on history tv they had the remarkable democracy in south africa on, hour-two long program - but i read a report that in 2011, over 2,700,000 rapes occurred in south africa, that's the ones that were reported - and that 27% (estimated) of all south african males are rapists'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, we would use a gun smuggler to do it....we wouldnt actually do the smuggling....that is how we give weapons to africans and govts that we do not like.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We sell to everyone, but we do it in public to our friends, and in private to our enemies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama's half brother did well in his election in a kenyan state'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, tsa screeners allow undercover fed agent through security with fake bomb'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'at least it wasent a fake agent with a real bomb'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You're Fired!'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i seen one the other year where homeland security or somebody posed as a counterfeit maintenance unit and infiltrated a nuclear facility'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'read it on one of them conspiracy sites maybe, or on a actual news site - but at least maybe they fix problems like that once they determine them'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You have any idea how hard it is to sabotage a nuclear power plant facility ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'practically impossible'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'no, i never really studied it, but they are delicate infrastructure'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're really not'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'delicate my butt...the ones in the US are fortresses'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the electricity distribution network is reasonably fragile, but the stations aren't'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd need to take out lots of points at the same time to have an effect over a wide area though'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a reason it costs $15 billion to build a nuclear power plant in the US......they are extremely durable, and well designed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But part of the reason of the huge price is also because they are all slightly different in engineering in the US....a standardized design using off the shelf parts would knock $5 billion off the price.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'well, innovation is part of the key to success (genius/pioneer) in anything, but monopoly shouldn't always make it more expensive than it actually is (why i like nationalism to some extent)'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nuclear power plant designs in Japan on the other hand are not durable by comparison though....you would think a people as smart as the japanese would build a nuclear power plant on a earthquake fault to be more durable and have proper backup facilities that were flood proof....like our coastal nuclear plants.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They really should have used waterproof housings for the backup diesel generators like we do here in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a town in south carolina figured out a way to put police offers in their schools without increasing taxes to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the school district put a police office in the schools where officers can do paperwork and such, instead of at the police dept.  It also allows the police to patrol the schools when they come and go....all they needed was the office and a wifi connection to do the paperwork.'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess obama didnt attend the chavez funeral....'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Can a square circle become a perpetual motion machine?'
T3/r7/2013-03-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just before the added restrictions to the trade embargo on cuba took place, JFK had his press secretary get as many cuban cigars as he could.  The press sec. came back with 1201 cuban cigars for JFK, and then the new embargo went into effect.'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, there are over 12,000 cafes in Paris.'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'are not!'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I am going to go to all of them !'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '11 tps for sale, 33m'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'heehaw!'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'peeps are 60 years old this year, and more popular then ever.'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth munches on some peeps.
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Didn't realize they lasted that long'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I have 6 cases of them, and twinkies in my bunker.'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure, lots of people prefer 'em stale'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Just Born company that makes the peeps is a family owned candy business that is 90 years old.....I love family owned companies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i love being able to buy peeps year round now :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, ever try making smores out of the peeps ? Yum.'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The company, whose other brands are Hot Tamales, Mike and Ike, and Goldenberg's Peanut Chews, has never suffered an unprofitable year. '
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'candy is a good business to be in.'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'nods. my camp used to give us peanut chews every night before lights out. it was all donated from them :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'actually PA has a lot of candy makers now that i think about it'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, all those europeans who moved to that area back in the 1800s.'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Britain has HUGE chalk deposits......most of the southern part of the main island is chalk.'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now croquet is a real sport.....we need to elevate it to the NFL status.....the NCL.'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, bulgarian stuffed peppers for dinner, with side of chicken, fraccia bread with bean dip, and wine.'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How come slinky's are not made from metal anymore?'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'price?'
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They dont work as well made from plastic. :('
T3/r7/2013-03-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Stop blaming fast food.....people are getting fatter because they exercise less then they used to in previous generations....period.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if ancel keys wasnt already dead, the bastard would deserve to be.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He's the guy that decided cholesterol was dangerous because he said so?'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and talked the govt into changing how people eat'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, and the weird thing is that it's still believed by some people and doctors.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the food pyramid, or plate whatever the govt calls it now is still based on it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cholestrol is probably the most important nutrient in your body.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Heck, they probably still believe sugar is a harmless substance.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, without cholesterol, we'd all just be a pile of goo.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching a food documentary called Fat Head.....I already knew most of what was in the docu, but it is quite enlightening.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, seen it, it's pretty good. Especially when he rants about spurlock.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cholestrol drugs have a nice disclaimer on them saying that they have not been proven to reduce strokes or heart attacks.....isnt that the whole point doctors put you on cholestrol lowering drugs in the first place?'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So why take the drugs in the first place ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Cause big pharma paid the doctors to say so?'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'recent research is showing women with higher cholestrol levels tend to live longer then women with lower cholestrol levels....gee.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it seems to me that we should just eat the things that nature intended us to eat, and moderate flour/sugar/oils.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are hardwired to love eating fat, sweet things like fruit and some veggies, and salty things.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and most meats come with the fat and salt already added in levels that nature intended.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same with the fruits'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually, nature had nothing to do with it. Consumers of the meat adapted to the meat contents, the meat wasn't designed with the consumers in mind.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'personally, I try to keep my daily carbs under 130 per day, mostly fruit and veggies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I have a hard time getting above 100 grams...'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fast food needs to switch back to animal tallow fats.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ana, sounds like you believe in that evolution thingie... that's just a theory, didn't you know :P'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Rizgoth, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I fry veggies in coconut oil and tallow, yummy and healthy.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'me too'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love coconut oil'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fried eggs in coconut oil...omg, the tastiest eggs ever cooked.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No sir. Thats eggs fried in bacon fat.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, I use the bacon fat to cook the hamburgers.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'the two are not mutually exclusive.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'and if you don't have enough bacon grease to do both - your problem is clearly you don't cook enough bacon'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I never get left over bacon fat... '
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or any other fat'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, that is why coconut oil is important.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'That's not really possible, you realize, unless you don't cook anything with fat ever,, which.. is incredibly limiting'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I cook everything with loads of far... and use veggies to make sure I get all fat out of the pan.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'fat not far'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I also make my own ghee, definitely recommend it'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, whole wheat bread has a higher glycemic index then table sugar.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You don't want all the fat out of the pan =o '
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'medium chain fatty acids from coconut oil is important....'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You don't want your skillet to rust either =p'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I add coconut oil to the pan after I rinse it'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You don't rinse cast iron =o'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure you do. Otherwise it gets full of carbonated junk after a while. '
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Not if you clean it'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You just use water, though.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'no =p'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Water == death'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, how do you clean your cast iron?'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Salt.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Now, that's a great way to kill cast iron. It removes all fat from it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or sand'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No Ranrr, it doesn't.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess your cast iron is different from mine.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Probably, in that it's actually cast iron, if it causes yours to rust =p'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Shrug. You're welcome to be wrong. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just wipe mine clean with a damp rag....works great for years now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just be sure to season it, to keep it good.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You're also welcom to be wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'shrug. I've got cast iron older then either of us, so I'm good'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty sure the cast iron skillet my grandma has used for 50 years or more was cleaned the same way I clean mine....'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'shrug. Still, don't want to get them wet.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if it is seasoned correctly, a little damp cloth to clean it isnt going to wipe away from the seasoning.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No, but if it gets on any part of the pan thats not seasoned, it will rust.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wipe away all the seasoning that is.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'havent had the problem yet, in 8 years so far. :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I live near the ocean.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'which is not really relevant =p'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure it is, iron tends to rust when not protected from the salt in the air near the coastlines.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Do you leave your cast iron pans on the beach?'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so if it is protected from the salt in the ocean air, chances are it is still protected even though I use a damp rag to clean the skillet :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You dont need to keep your iron on the beach, the undercarriages of cars rust out all the time from ocean air if not protected.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but my iron skillet does not :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Thats not from ocean air. It happens from water getting kicked up on the undercarraige. It happens in areas where it snows a lot, where they salt the roads as well.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont get snow around here, or put salt on the roads, but vehicles still rust out the undercarriage.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I didn't say you did.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Welcome to the hog-o-matic, the automated hog farm.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US currently produces about 6200 calories per person per day in food.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yuck....corn oil cheese :('
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, mosquitoes the size of quarters are expected to invade Florida this summer.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a hilarious hitpiece: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnBcNVxaNhE&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't even pretend to be fact-based or unbiased'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is probably just as well considering which tv station it's on ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'God told me facts are not necessary. Just faith.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an oddity usually attributed to their opponents'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as an outside observer, i'm seeing the rhetoric from both 'sides' becoming stronger, and both sides becoming more polarised'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the report out of SPLC they refer to talks about domestic terror threats arrising from "the fringe right" - i.e constitutionalists and conspiracy nuts, they cite several organisations then try and cast them in terms of race hatred. Only one of the speakers is correctly highlighting the common thread of the groups being critical of federal government overeach.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only commonality between all the groups mentioned, and is completely missed by Chris Matthews and his goon were they were all most worried about the feds and states usurping the constitution and bill of rights. It's not touched on, not once. Instead they just refer back to race bating and strawman issues that aren't relevent, like birthers'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'appears that america are using private defence contractors to train anti-syrian jihadi's in Jordan'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll attach "allegedly" to that for certain trolls'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not allegedly.  Private contracting is the name of the game now, what with 2 somewhat unpopular wars still going on.'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is a bug, it doesn't account for DST'
T3/r7/2013-03-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it makes it so irl'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what is 'placeholder democracy'?  '
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.zivljenjenadotik.si/en/reflection/text/show/article/angel-zgodovine-2011/'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'In exchange for supporting Thailand's admission to the United Nations, the Soviet Union demanded repeal of anticommunist legislation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand is one thing i consider from memory'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'could be fake though, like everything on this machine'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'The most average characterless type of mind is quite sufficient to master and apply the various skills, scientific and other, needed to run our society. At the same time, the objects which we now make or manufacture require little or no imaginative effort on our part'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'The most average characterless type of mind is quite sufficient to master and apply the various skills, scientific and other, needed to run our society. At the same time, the objects which we now make or manufacture require little or no imaginative effort on our part; they are all the result of rational planning and design, of technical skill and efficiency, and we produce them--are forced to produce them--with the least possible personal struggle or commitment, entering into and becoming through producing them part of their objective, impersonal, and pitiless nature. (Phillip Sherrard) '
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/Modern_Science_and_the_Dehumanization_of_Man-by_Phillip_Sherrard.aspx'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'The year 2100 will see eugenics universally established. In past ages, the law governing the survival of the fittest roughly weeded out the less desirable strains. Then mans new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. As a result, we continue to keep alive and to breed the unfit. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct. Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient. The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal. (Nikolai Tesla)'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/11/19/tesla-eugenics-and-rationalizing-dehumanization/'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'interesting kind of stuff, ersatz men, what's that exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'A very revealing report has been published by the European Commission. In it we see the wide divide between the powers that be, the hangers-on and the public citizen. It is an interim report into the latest plans to dehumanise the smoker, or otherwise known as Report on the public consultation on the possible revision of the Tobacco Products Directive (2001/37/EC).'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/4788'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what other kinds of dehumanizing objectifications can be discovered to the discerning mind's eye'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.npr.org/2011/03/29/134956180/criminals-see-their-victims-as-less-than-human'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '.. hmm, does the established law too?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'kafir'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_and_the_Psychology_of_Totalism'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'Doctrine over person. Members' personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: ''you didn't saw what you saw', 'who is number 1?  you are number 6''
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'put on your command presence, soldier -> or is it maggot?  So, when it does happen, it can be helpful to understand what it is that allows human beings "to overcome the very deep and natural inhibitions they have against treating other people like game animals or vermin or dangerous predators."'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'Loading the Language. The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand. This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'Dispensing of existence. The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not. This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious and they must be converted to the group's ideology. If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the members. Thus, the outside world loses all credibility. In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'has recently come under fire for controversial statements in which he allegedly endorsed death as a punishment for Islamic apostates. http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2009/4/14/chaplains-e-mail-sparks-controversy-span-stylefont-weight/'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'can't see for anybody else though, who knows - all this is likely lies isn't it'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i just read it from google searches and websites, and news websites and video's and pictures and the news on television and news forgery's and the sense of humour and other things about the world, stuff that's like makeup on a clown really isn't it - damn whacko's anyways, the superior species must have alot of money for aliens to be a real threat http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1004/30/lkl.01.html'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's my lunacy for this channel for tonight, some considerable stuff there though, however real it is or not, that's something i try to determine with clowners like you'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'don't see me telling you the way it is without question on just about anything do you?  that's the way i seee it with that in mind, like the opinions of yours, seeing if you even have one :) which you may not, probably safest that way, like the calf learns from the heiffer to fear the little barking dog, and doesn't wonder where the steers balls end up'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'at least we're safe here in the world of honesty and truth and justice'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'we have to be criminals to deviate from the light of the world'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Federal tax revenue is forecast to hit a record $2.7 trillion this year, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Judge halts NYC Soda ban'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt he'll turn up dead, another victim of the Bloomberg mafia'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Illinois state accused of securities fraud'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or he will just go out and buy a soda at 7-11'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'soda doesnt make people fat....drinking half a gallon of it per day and not exercising does.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'diet soda makes you fatter than regular soda'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as well as being linked to diabetes, cancer, and numerous neurological conditions'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whcih are diet related illnesses.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are, but that's not what causes diet soda to give people them'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more than 70% of deaths in the US each year are from diet related illnesses.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLkigI9kJaU'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Senate Democrats in Colorado threaten to withhold payrises for sheriffs because they opposed gun control bills going through legistlature'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe that's called extortion'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irmiya: 'Booo'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irmiya: 'Yah'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's democrats for you ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Irmiya: 'And corrupt globalist scum .. . . '
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure what would prevent him arresting the senate leader'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's called democratic, 'Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives. ' sheriff's and the people they police can have their taxes withheld from paying for their protection when their will is shown'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what is globalism?  '
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '"If even people standing on different sides of the political spectrum, such as Hessel and Fukuyama, claim that democracy is in a crisis these days then the question that should be asked is whether 2011 has been the decisive year in which the right question about the right issue was finally asked? If this is so, then 2012 will be decisive for finally grasping what at first seems a paradoxal claim uttered by Alain Badiou when he said that the real enemy nowadays is not capitalism but (placeholder) democracy."'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.zivljenjenadotik.si/en/reflection/text/show/article/angel-zgodovine-2011/'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer republics.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democracy is dead'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'republics are better'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what is 'placeholder democracy'?   In exchange for supporting Thailand's admission to the United Nations, the Soviet Union demanded repeal of anticommunist legislation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'who supply's all of the war's and international foreign aid policy's in the world?  .. burning books and burning people, guess which means more.. but why?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'The most average characterless type of mind is quite sufficient to master and apply the various skills, scientific and other, needed to run our society. At the same time, the objects which we now make or manufacture require little or no imaginative effort on our part'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'The most average characterless type of mind is quite sufficient to master and apply the various skills, scientific and other, needed to run our society. At the same time, the objects which we now make or manufacture require little or no imaginative effort on our part; they are all the result of rational planning and design, of technical skill and efficiency, and we produce themare forced to produce themwith the least possible personal struggle or commitment, entering into and becoming through producing them part of their objective, impersonal, and pitiless nature.  (Phillip Sherrard)'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/Modern_Science_and_the_Dehumanization_of_Man-by_Phillip_Sherrard.aspx'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: ''ubermensch, untermensch''
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chemosh couldn't stay away....'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'ersatz men, http://www.npr.org/2011/03/29/134956180/criminals-see-their-victims-as-less-than-human'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'The year 2100 will see eugenics universally established. In past ages, the law governing the survival of the fittest roughly weeded out the less desirable strains. Then mans new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. As a result, we continue to keep alive and to breed the unfit. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct. Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient. The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal. (Nikolai Tesla)'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/11/19/tesla-eugenics-and-rationalizing-dehumanization/ (Kafir)'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'real democracy's the proper kind, where everything from the media to education is agreed upon by the educated, but there's not very many of those left - only those characterless people'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you can see the reality of the world in their words though, contrasted '
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'why is that the way it is?  there's why'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real democracy isn't reliant upon the votes of only the educated, but concensus from everyone'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, and where's the people who make sure they understand things and aren't led around by a ogliarchy of nazi actors patrolling a international concentration camp'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too late'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we need solutions'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or their communist alternatives'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'keeping them all stupid'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'gay marriage, be nice to muslims, syria danny is a isolated incident, supporting foreign religious militants is separation of church and state'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'other things like that'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we need solutions, the last decent country is about to fall off the cliff, what can you do?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'germans were knee deep in shit in their turkish nato post, patriot missiling the defense systems of the country that hate's them, from the syrian threat according to article i read on thelocal - syria such a threat.. to their enemy'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'from what i could gather looking through greek reflections on their neighbours and documentaries '
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria was never a threat, neither is NK or Iran'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'just somet hings i think on, based on concentration camp stories released every year and played at least one history documetnary on history tv or national geographic channel every day'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'hitler had a taste for little girls was the latest one they came up with on national geographic'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so, seeing things like that chinese art exhibition on the human body, mummified non-political prisoners travelling from solvenia to america to canada and all over the non-maoist world etc, i think on it like a double dosage of cyanide in my cigarettes democratically passed to the tax-payer funded senate into acceptance of the surgeon general in 2006 from japan'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there was a paper on dehumanization of smokers too, might be on debate -h smokers'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you can see dehumanization of other people too, like non-muslims which islam is great at doing - or albino's, which the blacks have a slavemaster oriented upper hand to antisemite any opposition to their atrocities against whites'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'like lighting them on fire in kansas and trayvon martin'ing the django unchained media coverage of the homosexual co-anchor of cooper keeping them honest as they publish their 'my jihad' campaign materials from harvard's chaplainic support for the release of black murderer's from prison's in california while demanding death of apostates in a email to his cohorts'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'coerced with the support of a rabbi on the latimes newspaper release on the governors highest ever pardoning, at least they're considering releasing some of the manson family though'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teenagers-poured-gasoline-boy-walking-home-school-set-fire-cops-article-1.1033062 guilty of being white, but you know what, they're holocaust survivors and any punishment would be anti-negritic'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not being racist, are you?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'no, just drawing some paralells between the methods of social engineering of jews, negroes, muslims, gay's and other liabilities'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, well in the US, you're seeing the systematic demonising of patriots and vets'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, i see that'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'elsewhere you're seeing the demonising of nationalists in europe, and the demonising of Shia Islam in the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i support nationalists in europe'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's unchristian to have a one world community, where would the disciple shake the dust from his feet to'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the flaw with the one world government is that not everyone is the same. It works poorly to have a single sovereign government in large countries, so what were these people sniffing when they came up with the EU, or NAFTA, or NWO?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'international one world government is the end-result of marxist-leninism according to the brief description i read of it'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds about right'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'which started maoism and other things'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the modern idea of feminism was also started by associates of rabbi marx, in their american factions'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feminism is bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but like you see, it's not all women being doctors and lawyers, having the freedom to show their tits is what they're most concerned about'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'as you see looking through the french news, fitting into the objectification of tesla discussed by sherrard there'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might have started out as being a good idea to get rights for women, but it's turned into a way of cheapening the value of family'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'forced people to accept lower wages and living standards'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't agree, then consider that 70 years ago you could live off the earnings of one earned, now you need two'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/03/us/myjihad-campaign i'm not making this stuff up that i talk about, some is conclusions or observations i make about it, but it's coming from legitimate sources'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm not perfect, ru?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.1800politics.com/sympathy-for-dorner-cnn-anchor-embodies-devil-in-the-media/'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'knew about that as it happened'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://uhurunews.com/story?resource_name=christopher-dorner-and-the-revolutionary-struggle-for-black-power here's some black nationalist take on dorner, from what i could see'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i found burning spear through the title of a kenyan war general i observed in charge of UN operations in liberia, after watching a vicetv documentary from thence, and studying the programs they have planned in DR Congo on unmissions.org, how Egypt's women are systematically 'lawfully raped in Tahrir square' and elsewhere on the media, and how a peacekeeping force from thence will be able to implement them'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure what to make of that'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they got some interesting articles though, like one on bill and melinda gates foundation and a GMO monopoly in norway reflecting a suicide rate of farmers in india in debt and things like i heard on a documentary about monsanto involving a gonzalez from mexico and contaminated corn crops - so they're not all racist, and sometimes make some points'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'interesting stuff, how the news updates on that unmissions website mostly went blank since 2011 - how a save the children (unicef) and red cross charity are the main supporters of a current protest against police in sweden profiling people to check the id's of in order to try to get some law and order there - and how the doctor's mustache reminds me of suddam hussein and josef stalin's in milano's save the children commercial in canada - for only 50 cents a day'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.thelocal.se/46644/20130310/'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'The Stockholm demonstration was organized by Youth Against Racism (Ungdom mot Rasism) and by the youth associations of the Swedish Red Cross and Swedish Save the Children.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surprised anything remotely unbiased comes out of sweden'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baZsBxw3R7Y notice the doctor is surprisingly similar to egyptian ethnicity, which is middle-eastern or other african continental, which is protesting in sweden for the swedish version of the exact same charity'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm not so sure he's a benevolent doctor the way his character appears to me, but she's such a temptress that it's hard to not support her - some more social engineering strategy'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'can you prove to me the critical help's system of non-misappropriation'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's what they seem to be to me though, terrorist funding organizations'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i read one article stating that 7% of 17 billion in foreign aid and charity donations to haiti actually was translated into humanitarian aid'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what was the rest spent on?  can probably buy all the whores in finnland for that price'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or anything else, like ammunition at arms shows in saudi arabia'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the article's mostly an atonement for having some justified bias, saying sorry for having any common sense'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'my interpretation of it was an elaboration on a larger system of thing's that i see'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if it was up to me i'd slash all foreign aid and immigration pamperings, deport all immigrants or put them in jail where they belong to dissuade any further infiltration attempts - after verifying the misappropriation'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i can tell who's there to live in the country and who's there to turn it into the one they came from'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'can't you?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cyrep: 'like the ones that say "were takin over"?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, like them'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or the ones they have on video standing behind a british war memorial and chanting death to the infidels'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or the police who stood by in the 2011 london riots and defend the rapists and murderers but not their victims'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they should be training all european and other non-muslim nation's citizens to be their own military, giving them access to weapons to defend against the invading immigrants'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'otherwise you get swedish abuuuu , abooo, abah aboooo's'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=437_1329081948&comments=1'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my island is full, in fact it's overpopulated by 125%, i'd rather you didn't send any here'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'fucked if i'd stand around and take that shit'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'make me wish i could have lived during the time of the third reich and joined hess in his campaign to attempt to show the future to europe'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You are not a member of the master race, sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'hitler's hatred for slavic people was propaganda invented by their enemies, like disney cartoon's'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the mein kampf is unverified, but portrayed in soviet propaganda films authored by communists born in 1902 being pieced together in slave factory's, with knowledge of the question of the gulag operating until 1961'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'hitler's soldiers initiative to keep fighting was 'never surrender', his opponents was 'go or be shot by your commanding officer''
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'goebbels step grandchildren are worth $1.5 billion each today.....all 4 of them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the family made its money making munitions for the nazis.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so, who makes money selling weapons to africans and mid-easterners, and technological advancements to communist countries in asia'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then they put their money into BMW and Daimler Benz.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'do they care much how many villages are raped in front of their husbands'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'BMW wouldnt even exist today if not for them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'in the old testament is several unavenged genocides that the jews conducted on 'inferior races', as reflected in that less than human article's sentiment, researching the term amalek and it's relation to german kaiser wilhelm's visit to palestine, and rabbi marx not being a conduit of any invasion operations like today'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'ezra 9:9 indicates that the empire of persia, as geographically recorded, is the jews master - maybe that included the ottoman empire at one time, like gavrilo the great, and some visits by the queen alexandria and empress of france to turkey in the 1860's'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that means that iran and israel would never fight, actually operation overlord was plotted in tehran '
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'depending how seriously they take that religious treaty today'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'hitler wasn't like that though, if he seen his people being violated, as reflected in the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1h_2ujsvs , he would launch whatever weapons and develop them available to his disposal on his enemies - there wouldn't be no cold war cause it would be over by now'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how much territory can 10,000 nukes destroy for instance, what kind of biological and chemical weapons already exist but aren't used by traitors to the country's they pretend to be members of'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'while they're consumed by social parasites and ogliarchs that destroy everything they found valuable about living systematically, as verified by your ancestors reflections on history and how rotten the world is today in comparison'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'just a bunch of balogne is all that runs this world, no real people have any power, only jokers who clown with your life like josef mendele, except without any criticism by the media he runs'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that video's my version of 'mein kampf' though'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the concept of ubermensch (as opposed to this is our land, which every nationalist has, ancestral roots etc) is written right there in your bible'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'god has chosen the jews and everybody else is a inferior species'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so when lookin for inspiration for conspiracy theories, you don'th ave to look much further than the ethnicity of the people who rewrote history, such as fritz fischer and klaus epstein'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and who's a master-races on earth, population of russia being 125 million, population of china being 1.43 billion, population of india being 1.24 billion etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'd say the ones who manage to feed themselves on the land mass provided, by importing materials from the others'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but that's my opinion, i only blame the disgusting world on satan after i rule out why the demons needed pigs to hide in the gospel story as being meatly oriented beings hiding from the space surrounding their spirits'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't care how much smarter than me anybody is, any strategy and plots of the devil human's heart i'll consider within my limits and see how much opposition they receive to see how accurate they are'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'guage*'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i shape it based on the reality i live in and witness, including my own psychosemetrics'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you'd never see the liberal media find any correlation or conspiracy in haitian 7%iles , that's too JFK of them, or unicef or the red cross, which carried ammunition for the allies during world war 2'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i never said i was against decent people - mine always follow a malginant potency that i attempt to clarify, and collaberate on, for clarification - that bothers people, like the khmer rouge'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but that's alright, cause they'll kill me anyways eventually - if i'm right'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'as their objectives realized in the tesla/sherrard posts etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i think bernard shaw praised islam , for it's great value for dictatorships needed to realize his unfit people's extermination goals, as one of the tools in his fabian box, he was a clown who sung to the highest canary's in the cave though'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm not sure hitler was catholic though, or took advice from muslims to support palestine - those are just things i read in history'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'otherwise why would fritz fischer blame national socialism on the lutheran church, which supported the german monarchy above the pope of rome'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'first non-italian pope in 450 years comes from poland after, stabilizing the damning history'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'hitler was a vet in ww1, which was started by a ottoman muslim's assassination of duke ferdinand of austria, which was allied with him'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'amok other things i consider, that's some of them - it's just not debated much on history tv or history class, because it's against the law in most countries'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'like canada the nazi who fought the nazi's, where i'm from - b'nai b'rith would have me locked in a cage in munster for this'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'canada held a revisionist historian from america before deporting him to germany in the 1970's, where his lawyer was imprisoned for attempted to defend him in court'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yet look how jews don't condemn muslims in the netions they condemn people who discuss history in, who history says advised hitler to prevent the jews from settling in palestine'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'in toronto recently, they set up a new office of religious freedom in a mosque, with a christian overseeing the project for social engineering purposes, by advise from a rabbi'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i reflect back on ezra 9:9 for inspiration'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'nice tolerant religion to show freedom of religion through'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i can visit a christian church with a upside down cross around my neck and a pentagram tattooed on my forhead, but i can't wear a swastika into a synagogue or a cartoon into a mosque'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'only 5 million of canadian tax dollars per year, not too bad'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they send 500,000 per year to a church in uganda, cause spreading the word in africa is part of the gold-mining industry's tax-ogliarbligations'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'probably mostly gets spent on corruption practices '
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they waste 1 billion dollars on a g-summit in toronto, and filter your life through these machines, which could have hosted their summit on skype for 1000 dollars or less'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'then they cut some public services, bail out ford and gmc, send the jobs to china, slash 70 million off the cost of a million tonnes of potash not used in explosives'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'blame it on the poor, and take luxury flights across the world'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'all on the dole of the tax-payer, like glorified welfare bums who don't even invent their own reasons not to do their jobs'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i fail to see the irrelevance in a comparison between them and the ideological nazi they teach in warsaw ghetto documentaries'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'with all the police being jewish and wearing polish uniforms, except a reflection in a window'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i heard testimony though, the gulag was kinder than the nazi's'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'google (operated by jews, who advise north korea on their chinese maoist strategy's with the help of iran's development teams), heavily censors the re-discovery of testimony from german children living after ww2, and their punishment for speaking at night being to hold a freshly lit candle naked in a cold hallway until it burned out, failure to do so resulted in a undisclosed punishment'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but type in jew jew jew into google, and see what you get , that nice warning at the bottom of the page'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that article shouldn't be hard to find, it was released on spiegel or another newspaper in the last year or two, possibly guardian too'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'On May 1, 1945, hundreds of people committed mass suicide in the town of Demmin, in the Province of Pomerania (now in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern), Germany. The suicides occurred during a mass panic that was provoked by atrocities committed by soldiers of the Soviet Red Army, who had sacked the town the day before. Although death toll estimates vary, it is acknowledged to be the largest mass suicide ever recorded in Germany.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_suicide_in_Demmin'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'Please stop talking to yourself Rab'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'continued through the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'jeffrey dahmer was just a disturbed young man, who worked for the us military as a army medical officer in germany'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'being labelled a criminal or an enemy by people like that doesn't bother me much'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but i'm just crazy so i'm alright with tooth decay, i seen that'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's funny to consider things like that though sometimes, say 100,000 immigrants come and they're all trained in warfare, and that's larger than your nations standing army - what would you do about it?  maybe halt the canadian coast guard and trust in the good nature of the shipping lanes to not provide them all with rifles?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'too bad, canada only has 32 mil people in it though, china probably has 10x that many soldiers on reserve'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'hoping on ww3 though, better to die killing your killers than in a concentration camp kneeling before a terrestrial egyptian repetition of god'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'imo, i guess some people think they'll win the raffle ticket into this version of the book of revelations, where god is really a human government that culls the herd once every couple cycles of the jain calendar'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since the book of revelation is mostly fiction, that conjecture is not that relevant to what requires to be done (pre-assuming that anything is able to be done)'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't like where the world's headed though, maybe it's just in the way i see it, from a negative mindset, like some insider attacks being armed by america'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'is fiction but to many people belive it is real... Zade'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'tesla's prophecy's are mostly fiction too, but that doesn't stop the world from  making them happen based on your reasoning'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the luddites were just observers, their predictions were fiction too, all man-made - so is the perfect dimensions of the new jerusalem in the book of revelations, where god created all diversity on earth from the , 'altar made of earth' where no 'manmade steps' may approach'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so basically Rabshakeh is admitting to a lack of benign holistic solutions yet  (wwiii is not a benign solution)'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'easy to predict man though, and his desire to make the world in his own image is pretty obvious'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so making jokes based on ignorant human religions is one way they can go about things, however real any deity may be in reality, human's are all liars'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'troddling them through their religious hysteria into a desired outcome etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'like jim jones for instance, the cult leader - didn't mention jesus saying to satan when asked to jump off a cliff, the angels would catch him - 'it is written thou shalt not tempt the lord thy god', so jesus was asserting that by jumping off a cliff he would be tempting god, and satan is aware of that, being the tempter'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ludicrous conjecture, a deeluded conjecture -- the "desires of men" are not about making the world into the "image of man"'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but there no manner of poison will affect them in their bible verse, like rattlesnake churches in texas - and they drank the poison'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so that whole scenario was because , i think, they omitted the other scenario from their temptation cult'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(the urges to rabblerouse are leading to errored conjectures)'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( of course, that doesn't address why they killed the senator )
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what benign solutions, that's what your beurocrats are paid to ignore'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"what's the hurry"  maybe the world is unfolding according to schedule '
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'new pope -- chance for the Malachy prophecies'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear what Larry Craig is using as his defense for his touchy-feelie moment in the bathroom?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'all them country leaders are in it for their own preservation, for a large percentage of them, and extension of their offspring's overseering over the ones of yours allowed to serve them in the future'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he said as a member of congress he does his business there, so the use of campaign funds for legal expenses isn't illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's what i think anyways'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'benign solutions is like hippies, protesting everything that's trendy to protest, ignoring things that they consider racist - like survival in some circumstances'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'is there any?  if there is , they sure don't show their plans and progress to the world on their mass media'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's all evolving into fuck, eat, die , and serve the masters for your privledges of providing their children with more slaves'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'where's the point in reality about it?  something good for a world war 3 , maybe some of the nuclear mutants left from the debris field will evolve into something more real than this trash we're in now'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'It will end like that yes, until apathy goes away... But is a personal choice...'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk task --spoken like incompetent acedic fatalists without benign solutions'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so close and yet so far -- the opportunities'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i never claimed to have all the answers or solutions, just some opinions and some discourse that's considered politically incorrect, and crazy - like the lyrics to some music i like'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'eat your pinto beans!'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'most of human events on earth are evil, why you never hear of anything good on the news for instance - as you see how your community rotted in the last 20 years or so'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or not how, but wonder why.. and such a universal precept, it must be a global thing'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'good vs evil... what is good and what is evil? Maybe the definiton comes from the people incharge?...'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the history H2 channel tvseries "Modern Marvels" are 'good news' documentaries'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i guess so, like treason in a cult of serial killers would be not killing anybody'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'their holy writ demands it of them, it seems in some circumstances - i read about it in teh news every day'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those concepts by Rabshakeh are not very useful to children'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'exactly.. and if the world is ruled by serial killers....'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you eat more beans, it wont matter.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'then again children do say what they think and they want tho... '
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'when i look at it, you know, should i think there's a heavenly beast angel force from the bottomless pit moving their powerful god - successes around the world, or look at it like an atheist first, and only after ruling out human corruption , as can be studied by the idle mind contemplating reality, from the possibile origins'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'eating some beans is healthy accorsding to Dr Oz'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk, Rabshakeh went religious fictional, frothing and foaming out religious images before recanting into atheism -- (theisms and igorant atheisms are 'religions')'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so what if it is, should i fear them?  add some glimmering to the scales of leviathan - the king of the sons of pride, or steal some of his light and oppose him in eternity, which might make me less consumed by any bottomless pit his religion incarnates - like a black hole borg cube of forever, i'm more of a believer in god's who speak for themselves, and religions who's words reflect some series of rational judgement, as the gospel story exemplifies in certain portions'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what's to fear, they'll die too'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'won't they?  i guess if there is a maker, there does seem to be an unmaker about everything though'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't believe in puff the magic dragon just because i'll be shot if i don't, if you say ' i believe in puff the magic dragon ' to prevent being shot, you're one of the glimmers on leviathan's scales'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'do you live in a place they want you to belive in the magic dragon?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'maybe it's ok to say, ' i believe in puff the magic dragon ' and believe ' because if i don't i'll be shot ', god is a discerner of the hearts, and minds and words according to the bible'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i read about akin places all the time, it's amazing stuff - fits into all kinds of puff scenario's, not limited to spirituality - from say i'm right and smile , to drink your piss because you want my money'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'money itself is a sort of puff the magic dragon that the world learned to worship over time'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'if you dont want to belive on it dont'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'except, the Puff is an allusion to drug use.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you think?  also the devil is a dragon, puff is what the wolf does in the three little pigs story, etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe so, but Puff became popular in the late '60s and early '70s. Ditto for yellow submarines all other euphemisms.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there's probably well written master-books on how to be a master and control large swathes of people in some of these government's archives, including religions'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'seen that fear works wonders, and doubt - well i think that's disgusting, but i seen a protest where they all think it's ok, i'm now isolated - but the isolated might actually be the majority, being guided by their propaganda master - and other scenario's like education'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how many animals besides human's don't demand honesty from their leader?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'are too cowardly lest they're bitten, cause one set of teeth can bite them all'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe the urge to be lead is strong enough so who the leader is doesn't matter.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to be led*'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how much benefit are you having today by following your leadership choices'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'is over 30 years of consistent and constant failure, with ever smaller increases being sufficient for prolonged support until the eternal dehumanization of your nation is complete'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter. People seem to need to be led. The urge is strong enough to override intellect.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'after all, intellect is only useful when there is a choice.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how many lies to your face is enough until you decide that your lives are at stake ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'there is always a choice'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you can choose to miss the point and keep asking inane questions :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '1930's wasn't too far away, 2030's are shaping up to be pretty much identical, with different tools being implemented from the master's book'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is not true, Ronda.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'it is'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Stick your head in water, see what choice you have.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless you lose consciousness, you are going to eventually jerk your head up.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you have no choice'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'depends on what i want to do '
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, have it your way.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i like people being in charge of their own destiny's, comprehending the war's they fight, and thinking of the word's they're told god ordered them to follow, the kind of person utilizing them and to what ends, etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'mindfulness - comprehensions, independence, cooperation instead of dictatorship, mutual obligation to understood goals etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the only power, ultimateonly on earth, that the kind of choiceless ness of anaristos has, is in masses of misguided people taking commands without question'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just because one is in charge of one's destiny doesn't mean one at times is out of choices. All roads have points where you can only go one way. It is unrealistic to think that choice is necessary or even available at each instance of one's existence. Existentialism notwithstanding.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so may opine that depressive fatalist vitriole interspersed with religious cacophony and iconoclastic ranting are misdirections and thus also lies (and definitely not examples of "mindfulness - comprehensions, independence, cooperation") (and "independence" to reckless anarchy is not a smart suggestion)'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sounds a lot like BS to me :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's the opposite of what i said zade, but thanks for pointing out the type of thing i seen in the master of anaristos unstoppableness, that i am your leader mentality , suggesting that i'm empowering myself as usurper to those who already have'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'joust that guillotine knight'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'already pointed out contrasts in sherrard and tesla to consider, there's also shaw and some other groups there was some good questions geared towards'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'are you smarter than a 5th grader was also a indicator that , 'depressive fatalist vitriole' is anything other than sardonic irony for the chainsaw of the healer'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what the hell are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'on gossip a little while ago, i was talking about democratic education systems existing in democracy's, how on that program the adults don't usually know what the 5th graders know, and don't seem to ask the question why they're being taught that drivel for the first 12 years of their lives in school that they graduated from instead of something useful'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, only adults who failed to show up for the 5th grade don't know what a 5th-grader knows.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the chainsaw fit into my idea of zade's connection to tzadkiel and a latino skateboarder's entertainment value's, as seen through the morbid outlook zade reflect me as unexemplary for discoursing - the entertainment values of the 21st century'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my donkie knows more then a 5th grader.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'this may come to a surprise to you, but adults where once children.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'not really, school system is largely inefficient and doesn't focus on the students ability to choose their interests and be guided into mastering what they choose etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you said "adults don't know what 5th-graders know", the only way that is possible is if said adults never went to the 5th-grade.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there shouldn't need to be much of a gap between gradeschool and university either, and the costs?  they could pay for everybody's university education on one year of foreign aid and other wasted money in most nations'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'not really, people tend to put from mind what's useless or unused, which alot of knowledge from school is'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'putting it off one's mind (whatever that means) doesn't mean the knowledge goes away.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how come the success rate from schools in america for instance, is so low - 48% unemployment?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'amazing stuff, i think spains is high too'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you don't need to know about how masculine napoleon was in order to master mathematics and physics and become a rocket scientist'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'since the US is successful then one can come to the conclusion that education is not that important, overall.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the other classes are just window dressing to make you pay more money for crap you dont need.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'in california , 'texas chainsaw massacre' 'depressive fatalist vitriole' 'entertainment values' 'some aardwolfians', they're teaching children by mandate of the government now homosexual history in gradeschool - and chances are most of the parent's who's children attend that school are entertained by such and such entertainment values, but don't think much about the 'nazi youth' stories mentioned by the jews on history television, or the cold war that just ended a little while ago and how such things could be demoralization strategies, or dehumanization strategies (as the movie, entertainment values, pornography of democracy) are excellent examples used by them or their tesla predecessors etc - and have also reproduced to provide the children being educated, not questioning the wisdom of this addendum to their scholarly development, and success of their progeny in the future of the world'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'christ'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so my mind jumps from place to place a little more than your assembly language versions of perl, but that doesn't mean they're disconnected from significant earthly recourses of materialistic theology based on verifiable news mediums'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i think they made the latest one in 3d, how about django unchained, was that in 3d too?  13 ghosts was one of the first'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and inaddition to that, they outlawed therapy for children to overcome homosexual desires, as an option to parents - in california, as a crime against humanity'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elaisse: 'why would you give therapy to children for being left handed? Do you know they used to look on that as an abonimation...WRONGLY'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elaisse: 'abomination*'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that is , quite likely, a forgery of history - drawing light to the wise future we're in now, by the guiding hand of the liars who benefit it so little'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'another one i read was, if the woman didn't burn, she was a witch - or if she refused to drown, she was a witch'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elaisse: 'so if she burned they blew her out and let her go free?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'they didnt'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'a form of subliminal progress that doesn't really exist, but there's also people being shot in the head for advocating education in some parts of the world, so i guess the future holds the past for reflection - maybe at some point in time people have been stupid enough to cull left handed people for being warlocks'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'she died anyway, very sad part of the history... do you know is happening again in papa newguinea nowadays?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elaisse: 'hmm the future holds the past for reflection?? what...does that mean??'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'we as a species we dont learn?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the same kind of taboo's are murdering people more and more every day?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'seems that way, that's why i like what zade denounces and anaristos thinks is impossible more , understanding, comprehension and independence/cooperation rather than blind followers'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elaisse: 'I was afraid for a moment there that I no longer spoke english '
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i think god gave people minds to use, and should have warned adam and eve that a lie existed so they could expect it from the serpent'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I think god gave people fingers so that they wouldn't type by banging their face into the keyboard. But what do I know.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'on the other hand, it devles into faith of human eventual conformity to another reptition of witch hunting, by establishing that we had become enlightened in the future, only to lose our wisdom with time - like the wise leaders who lie so often'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Do you write coherently first and then scramble the words up afterward?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Or is it just a scrabble grab-bag for you?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i write for minds like yours to judge me'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Rabshakeh is the Faulkner of Aardwolf.'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'most people will take advantage of the vulnerable, i watch how they operate and question how aware their victims were sometimes'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'did this my whole time growing up, just watching and learning and stuff , i never used what i learned, but i can see through alot of people'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'even the gospel teaches to be mindful and comprehending, jesus says 'forgive them father, for they know not what they do', not that they conscienciously partake in their own resolution, more like a  husk on the evil spirt cast forth by the priest (where the social engineers the crowd using his servants to free the killer in chanting, and crucify jesus), was aware of how dumb people were and akin to following stupidly behind the strategies of 'the devil', here being only a human priest - but the spirit was his work, that he prophecied that jesus should die (the high priest of the jews) and using people's mindless herd instinct when pilate gave them a choice instead of blindly obeying the jews, socially engineering them to comply with the death of their (good teacher)'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'having faith in eternal human stupidity and holocaust repetition syndrome is a adequate prediction for pessimism though, since the world isn't headed in a very good direction right now - how long has it went on for?  they're shooting skinny flicks on the bones under paris aren't they?  i imagine it's been going on for a long long time'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'mass-murder, repopulation, hedonism families leading the way into the future of, mass-murder, repopulation'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's what i think the eskimo's originallly migrated north for, in history - was leaving behind those kingdoms'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'cause back then artificial heat and stuff was less likely to perpetrate them to their adapted lifestyle of acceptable sacrifice'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'at least they had some self-respect until progress claimed it'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'now they'll learn more than a 5th grader and keep the oil-rig workers satisfied, imported from around the world on their globalist platform of progress'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they can also learn how they're knowledge thiefs from the ancient babylonians, and should come to 'insert religion here', with incentives in various forms subverting their sovereignty, like a legion of wendigo demon's in human form'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'little insider attack here, little helicopter attack there, they're up to all kinds of progress in the middle east aren't they, makes a guy wonder what they ever invented nukes for'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'just in the news in the last couple days'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'rainstorm*'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i never seen anything worth fighting for across the ocean and 2000 miles of desert myself, but like any international communist statue of god, common sense isn't required to sell yourself to him'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'apparently the US (and UK) goverenments find it worth while to go across the ocean to fight for "freedom"'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, at least germany's war's made sense, their freedom was what they fought for'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You mean WWII?'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'look at the ever decreasing quality of life within the UK and USA, there's not much more disgusting you can ever find than is currently manifesting and multiplying itself in terms of human derogation'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'my quality of life isn't decreasing at all'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'according to the version of 'mein kampf' that i get from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1h_2ujsvs , yes'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, that's because they have broken political systems, not just because they waste all their money on wars'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you think WWII was about giving freedom to germans, you need to study more history'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if you have money it increases, cause you can buy more people for less'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'isn't it wonderful, less demand for things they can't afford, more for me'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but i can afford to have them drink their piss for my pleasure of paying them some of my money, cause it's legitimate work opportunity'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i looked up , 'dekulakization', 'great purge' and 'holodomor', and seen some modern research and things like that to see what kind of non-freedom germany was fighting for'
T3/r7/2013-03-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if they're both evil and just want to holocaust death camp everybody, why couldn't they share the fun together instead of fighting over who gets to take all the credit, which is only the loser in this case'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are always multiple reasons for wars, but it's rare that the attacker is fighting for freedom. Very rare. Can't think of any war on the top of my head, unless you count misc revolutions.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and atilla the hun was just paying some versailles taxes to rome for a holodomor living?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that evil hun, poisoned by his own brother, protected not by the saints who stand in rome over his defeat in statuesque eternity'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'mentioned in the video, hitler mentions a demand that he starves millions of germans to death to meet the agreement'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'one of the motivational factors in mobilization of world war 2'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You do know that hitler was insane, right? And somewhat biased.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'd have to meet him to determine that, but he sounded pretty sane compared to some of these others'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't know if anybody's perfectly sane or not, he was a world war 1 veteran though and had a memory of the country he fought for in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'He said the territory is poised to take the leap, take on more province-like responsibilities, and become less dependent on bureaucrats in Ottawa. http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2013/03/11/north-live-pm-nwt-devolution.html Based on last year's numbers, that would have added about $69 million to the territory's budget. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2013/01/25/pol-harper-appoints-5-new-senators.html I wonder, http://www.smh.com.au/world/china-colonel-raises-nuclear-spectre-20130122-2d56p.html -- http://www.parl.gc.ca/SenatorsMembers/Senate/SenatorsBiography/isenator_det.asp?senator_id=3570&M=M&Language=E , http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2012/12/31/business-potash-china.html Canpotex to ship 1 million tonnes of potash to China Reduced price will be $70 per tonne lower than March price .. (If you have paltalk , one yellowbeef speaks of ming vases and uses metaphors like his maoist sex camp in laos, for the tiger chasing the zebra, calling japan the wolf - from australia article, he '
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'tl;dr'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'he was speaking of his new job as senator in canada in the days prior to the cbc article), "Providing all-season access to the Arctic coast will further Canada's sovereignity interests" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward , http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/harpers-cabinet-mulls-massive-chinese-resource-project-in-arctic/article6752413/ , http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/story/2012/11/30/north-deh-cho-bridge.html , Year Established: 1979 , http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/03/05/pol-ndp-motion-abolish-senate.html (Immigrate singapore 1978 cover story)'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'his upcomming job..'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: ''America is the global tiger and Japan is Asia's wolf and both are now madly biting China,'' Colonel Liu said. ''Of all the animals, Chinese people hate the wolf the most.'''
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'something i noticed anyways, in my conspiracy world of a mind, i guess the islamification of Inuvik (moving mosque from winnepeg to there was big news) also plays a role, like 'the blessed ones' arriving from india in israel'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but, "The medium is the message" is a phrase coined by Marshall McLuhan meaning that the form of a medium embeds itself in the message, creating a symbiotic relationship by which the medium influences how the message is perceived.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i wonder where did the extra million from the potash from the useless senate go to, probably paid somebody's pleasure taxes'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/story/2010/09/23/north-mosque-inuvik-arrives.html , A professor from the Middle East is proposing that ancient Babylonians and the Gwich'in may have had something in common: the way they looked at the skies. http://nnsl.com/northern-news-services/stories/papers/feb14_13ast.html'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'human rights, office for 5 million tax dollars per year religious freedom in toronto mosque, etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/story/2012/11/30/mb-human-rights-museum-staff-quit-winnipeg.html , traced to israel surname from ukraine, back through azerbaijan to a russian think tank with architectural connections to a MLB baseball stadium in the usa and a university in new york, which has a contributor to the research on 'terror management theory''
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so , twice to the cold war - IF day notwithstanding, homosexual and palestinian rights are the new concerns after the staff quit, probably with death-threats on their families'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'claimed to own an island off the coast of seattle'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.state.gov/e/rls/rmk/2011/174800.htm The United States' "New Silk Road" Strategy: What is it? Where is it Headed?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.news.az/articles/politics/73765 Elnur Aslanov: Freedom House = Coldwar House?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.azernews.az/region/47462.html Turkish president: Silk Road restoration to boost world economy '
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1492:_Conquest_of_Paradise on of Columbus's proposals was that they could trade with china, which christians couldn't do through the muslim territories'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'with asia*'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or 'the moors ' as they're called'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so you see where i see it's all interheaded to some extents'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's probably nothing though, seemed a little ironic to me'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheldon_Solomon asdasdff'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'some more ezra 9:9 irony, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terror_management_theory After being reminded of their death (experimental MS induction), Christian participants evaluated fellow Christians more positively, and Jewish participants more negatively, relative to the control condition.[24] Conversely, bolstering self-esteem in these scenarios leads to less worldview defense and derogation of dissimilar others.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'also 'was' links on news.az to articles about 54 us senators, warning's to a duchess of england not to oppose it's islamification, and the texas comptroller going for a visit for their XL pipeline or something'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or congressmen maybe it was, one or the other'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'not owning enough political influence in russia etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '. These men were crude, unbred, self-assertive people, pushers to the top, greedy and ambitious, excellent speculators and organizers, wizards of the factory and of the counting-house, with little or no time or patience for normal human needs or such old-fashioned pursuits as the chase, idleness, or the bed. Their great achievement in the nineteenth century was to standardize the factory slum as the normal type of urban dwelling and to extend the area of human and natural desolation at a rate never before reached. '
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/Modern_Science_and_the_Dehumanization_of_Man-by_Phillip_Sherrard.aspx how much standards they have when it comes to saving their own hides than pretending to represent or value the land they reign supreme on behalf of'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Gee, the newcons want to replace the most efficient healthcare system in the world, namely medicare, and in its place the most inefficient healthcare system in the world, private insurance.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about we give people the right to choose....open up medicare to more people, and see how private insurance competes with medicare by becoming more efficient.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Rizpope!'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the powder from the drilled rock on Mars turned out to have a wealth of chemicals in it, including sulfur, nitrogen, hydrogen, oxygen, phosphorus and carbon.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, a 2 million miles across blackhole and it is spinning close to the speed of light.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they found another ultramassive black hole?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is 60 million light years away from Earth, in the Galaxy NGC 1365'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Oh lord the Dem's budget is shaping up nicely. A trillion in new revenue (I assume over a decade) and not even looking at balancing the budget. What or what are they going to spend it on?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'Military.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Don't you worry about that. Everyone gets diabetes and passes 65 years, and I'm sure a war or two can be arranged.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where do they think a trillion is coming from?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want 60% tax rates from $0 up?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Maryland woman ticketed for driving 2mph UNDER the speed limit in left hand lane'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Obstruction of traffic.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can't be'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'Hahaha Maryland, you so crazy.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'We have signs in my state (NC) that say "slower traffic keep right"'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a scam to me'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'and you have to follow road signs'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how did anyone with a name like "Rachel Madcow" get a show on telly?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she likes beef.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts turns cowlike eyes on you, chews his cud, and moos plaintively.
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'her name is Rachel Maddow, but it might as well be Madcow because she's so freakishly bonkers.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks suspiciously like a dike, too'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, dyke'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she's kinda like the liberal version of Glen Beck'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like a man-hating lesbian'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably means she laps up this nannying police state like it was cum'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she hates women, too'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you guys have ANY tv hosts that don't look like dicks?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sarah palin'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a tv host'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'look, or act?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the young turk is about the nearest you've got'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and ben swann'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vetinarian care costs going up due to the obamacare tax on medical equipment and supplies'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Feds spend $1.5m to "study why lesbians are fat"'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's because they eat so much fish.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps all that hate makes them put on weight'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what makes you think that lesbians hate any one?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stereotyping, tendancy to be militant feminists'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'amazing'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'independant film doesn't lie.  Except about the weight, since the camara adds 10 lbs.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is this where Anaristos castigates me for making generalisations?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you admitted that it was a stereotype, so don't need to add anything.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is in this day and age that homosexuality carries a stigma. So any "studies" are necessarily biased.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'As the debate over removing neger intensified, there was a backlash. Die Welt likened those who would change offensive language to the Taliban, thundering: "Anyone who believes art should be changed in retrospect because it contradicts the prevailing morality must have been pleased in 2001 when the Taliban destroyed the Buddhas of Bamiyan." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21702989'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'negroes on the rampage while they chop up white people with no fear of being called on their racisms in tanzania and other black countries, trying to mind conformity the repentant nazi race of slavocrats'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i agree with them though, like in the mark twain novels, the use of the term 'slave' showed how the boys perceived the person they seen as a person, who called neger then in america'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so they're trying to stoke black racism in people and their acceptance of abuse like people born after 1930 being capable of being nazi war criminals to pay for the sins'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'things like that is what i see about it anyways'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'them = the people's arguement from the article'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'ban ki moon condemns with crocodile tears from the silk nile road the burning of a book that nails people to crosses , dismembers them and shows them the light of the message within - obviously words mean alot more to certain subspecies of human than reality'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'Black Man Repeatedly Punches Blind White Woman on Bus in Seattle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Uln9cwUFOs'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'A man sitting next to the woman stood up and said, "You don't hit a blind woman," to which Hughs responded, "God told me to kill her, don't get in my way or I'll have to punish you."'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, black men are something else. They should be more like white people, personally non-violent. If they are going to do damge they drop atomic bombs.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'Vince Li tells schizophrenia society CEO he believed he 'was like the second coming of Christ' http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2012/05/22/mb-vince-li-schizophrenia-interview-manitoba.html'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'couple examples anyways, one is given the light of christ, the others is taking orders from god himself - one is more on the ki moon side of being than the original reflection'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, why do you name the races of the participants in your second point? How is it relevant?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it was about the subspecies and what they find important about reality, words or itself - and a couple examples that flew off the deep end, if i was going to demonize somebody like their mass media urges'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'russia mentions on some news sites there that they like to consume foetus's in parts of china for instance'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'subspecies? what subspicies?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'we're all humans aren't we, so we're subspecies of human - and certain ones make issues out of non-issues while others are more rational'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what are the human subspecies?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'more often*'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'hobbits are a human subspecies'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the platypus is proof that nature is as god intended it'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'wich god?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't know, it seems to be one animal without many subspecies though'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There are thousands of animals without any discovered subspecies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think what you mean is that it's the only known representative of its family.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'living, that is'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'several extinct ones'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the platipus is not a subpecies, is genus'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the lowest genus of class mammalia'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'every animal belongs to a species...'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And what is "lowest genus"?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I just wondered what the human subspecies were'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The only extant subspecies of homo sapien is homo sapien sapien'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by lowest it is meant the closest to the next class in the tree'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the next lower class'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Though there are extinct homo sapien subspecies'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the next lower class would be Aves'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'homo sapiens sapiens isn't extinct.  It's the only one still alive.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'extant = living'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, there are extinct subspecies, I was wondering about the current ones.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would like to increase my knowledge base.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'through accident, coincidence, biology, and premeditation, all the other subspecies have been wiped out or subsumed within our genome.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know, Hanslanda. I was referring to a line above by Rabshakeh'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't think anyone premeditated the extinction of the other subspecies'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'You debate: 'so, why do you name the races of the participants in your second point? How is it relevant?''
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it was about the subspecies and what they find important about reality, words or itself - and a couple examples that flew off the deep end, if i was going to demonize somebody like their mass media urges'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, we did.  Not exactly in the Hitler fashion, but we arrived on the scene and realized we couldn't (or didn't want to) share the resources.  Sometimes it was simply our bigger brains that allowed us to fashion better tools and more efficient strategies, but sometimes we were in the mood to brutalize the lowbrowed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you missed my point.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if you were to theorize that evolution is one thing on top of another and albino negroes are witchcraft ingredients chopped up by machete's for good luck in politics, and were to look at the whitening of their skin as something that may have eveloped into caucasoids, then seeing the woodpeckers standing on the giraffe's neck isn't too hard to do'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'killer whales were interesting though, when i think of subspecies and natural breeding patterns, their last intermingling was over 500 years ago according to marine biologists'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they speak different languages too'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they don't think it's racist to breed apart'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Assuming you mean resident and transient ones, they haven't bred in about 10,000 years'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'They also might be different species, though.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or maybe they do, who knows - needs some marine neurologists to compare the racist materialism in the human brain to that in animals to determine if difference is natural to consider'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'm pretty sure there's been an example of interracial human breeding in the past 10,000 years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'sure, some naturally - but societies have been conquered by invasive species (societies of foreigners) over and over throughout recorded history, some recognizable similarities in individuals can be physically and mentally determined though, as being more or less instinctual'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a race is not a subspecies, races are environmental chances. To twist a pun, at a distance all humans look alike.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'my point was that a man beating a blind woman was heinous by itself. To point out that a black man was beating a blind white woman was an attempt to add something to the the event. '
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's awful sexist.  Why's it gotta be a blind woman?'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'to attempt to call indicating there might be more to the event than meets the eye is racism, while there is alot of black racist crimes being carried out in the world, is almost like a psychological warfare strategy - where indicating why this is not a twisted transistor would be the unoffensive approach'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that was the statement. I assumed that it was a factual event.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'getting all zade with some musical elements and stuff'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if your point is that a man beating a woman because god told him to do so, then the race doesn't matter.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, if both the man and the woman had been white, you would not have mentioned the race.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'study up on the united nawubian nation of moors, the nation of islam, the black panther party, the use of the demonized n-word in rap music played to all teenage MTV viewers and in earshot of whoever they please, etc '
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'depends on whether you are claiming that Islamists are driven by the voices of god, or that black Islamists beat up white  blind women.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'white boy being burned by gasoline toting negroes for the crime of being white in kansas, which received almost no media attention at all - while the reverse scenario would be more like your less-than-likely scenario of drawing a 'twisted transistor' out of the situation in the case of traven martin - who inspired many more black crimes'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, those poor white people always being in terror of all those negroes. I feel for you.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dude, stop throwing the n-word around so casually!  It's offensive!'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teenagers-poured-gasoline-boy-walking-home-school-set-fire-cops-article-1.1033062 , ok so just cause they set him on fire for being white and stuff doesn't mean it was cause they're racist, http://www.theroot.com/buzz/trayvon-martin-latest-week-54 but 54 weeks later, and the white nationalist evil white devil law breaking latino.. not even the typical white devil, is still on front page news as being the martyr for crucifying all whites until they're bred out of existance'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anyway, that was my point, Hanslanda. To show him for the racist he is.'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'until every establishment is firmly under non-white control to prevent such travesties in the future, etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what if white people would have lit a black kid on fire for being black, would we be on week 540 by now?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'be happy, Rabshakeh. Black  kids are often kidnapped and they don't even make page 20, but let one white kid be kidnapped and you get national headlines and federal manhunts across national boundaries.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's more of that racism shining through.  It's getting boring...'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kinda like tuning out amber alerts on tv and mobile device.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Good idea, Rab, let's solve racism by putting black people in control everywhere. That's going to make things better.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'well, that's what they indicate's happening, muslims, blacks, jews, chinese, indians - on alot of the mass media of international currents and things like that'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, was talking about you, Ana.  Thank Walt for internet-era attention spans. :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'maybe it's not as bad as the media portrays it though'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and homosexuals and feminists.. all these kinds of modern empowerments taking the reigns, but typically only in historically white nations'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'except in the case of muslims, where they're going across africa and everywhere else, seeming to find ways to overcome their way through the top ranks of every society on earth'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they're not really a race of people though, they stem from a certain part of the world - like ottoman/persia'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Walt would agree with Rabshakeh. He was a sweetheart of a man.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So would hitler.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but are they, cause the old testament mentions that you have to physically be a progeny of isaac to be considered human enough to not be damned by god, or be equal to jews among them in their cities, otherwise you would never attain a rank of power or persuasion such as a priest, which was also genetic'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just replace a few words.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Walt agreed with Hitler'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'cause they were god's chosen people in the bible's own words, - the book of roman's attempts to de-racialize the concept of god presented by the race jesus came through, insisting that it was a metaphysical type of spiritual self that god looked for in individuals'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Speaking of whales and evolution:  http://bizarrocomics.com/files/2013/03/bz-panel-03-07-13.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, btw, Rabshakeh. Isaac wasn't white, so where does that put you? According to you that makes you non-human :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'good one, Leinei :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but god made all diversity on earth according to what reality looks like, except for what man invented, but even that's pretty miraculous alot of it'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if there's going to be a creator - at least creation would have been like a 1 or a 0 in binary if it was to be identically perfect'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Chemosh, is that you?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, this is more racism than conspiracy-theory.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why would you think a creator would do it that way?  Particular one attributed with being able to do anything.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and why would a creator be human enough to need to belong to a race?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't know, the book of genesis says that on the seventh day he looked back on all he had created and was well pleased, 'all manner of beasts of the field, and crawling things and birds and people, the seas and lands and constellations and firmaments and all that stuff' even if it's not skycloud in scientific rationality , at least that's an indicator that god wasn't very racist until later'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that he invented the diversity, why?  who knows - why when you dream don't you dream in third person and listen to the leather crinkle on your teamates gasp for breath in resident evil 5, like narccisus'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'a narcissist*'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The bible is full of things that doesn't make sense, like all bad fiction.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or focus on a imaginary group of lemmings, which you can't individually be all at the same time, but which cumulatively can imagine in form of several, chanting to your imagination, which is holding them together for the purpose of saying your name out loud'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'not neccessarily jumping off a 'white wilderness disney cliff' , but i guess that got inserted with anaristos mention of walt and my memory of a disney cartoon i seen'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have a question: When god created man in his(!) own image. Which race did he choose?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he chose the human race, naturally.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's rather immodest to say that we're older than the creator, though, so you could say we're simply a race of gods.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it would be ridiculous to say we are older than the creator. Though, basically, I don't think there is one. '
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'If anyone didn't hear, the guy who filmed Romney's "47%" comments is going to be on the Ed Show on MSNBC tomorrow.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'First time he's gone public'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Dead show ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Sweet liberal orgasam! I gotta see that.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, there is an ammo shortage in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Obama administration is drawing up plans to give all U.S. spy agencies full access to a massive database that contains financial data on American citizens and others who bank in the country, according to a Treasury Department document seen by Reuters.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus the spy control-grid deepens'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'New Jersey eoman arrested for reciting constiutution at Tax Meeting'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Democrats float the idea of a 2016 ticket of Hillary Clinton and Michelle Obama'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obama's ass is too big, she makes the other donkies look bad.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the kind of shit i'd expect them to pull, really'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, "gimmick"'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, clinton wont win with obama on the ticket.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does seem to be going south, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jeb Bush will get a landslide if the democrats did.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I wouldn't vote for Jeb'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'republicans must have a death wish if they stick him on the ticket'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, he is a real moderate.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wouldnt vote for him though, unless sarah palin didnt run !'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd be better off with a Paul/Cruz ticket'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the younger paul is too neoconish for me.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the older one is too old now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's as least-neocon as you're going to get in the GOP'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'd have done with the fucking lot of them, but that's likely not going to happen'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Its a shame that perry wont run in 2016....he enjoys running Texas, and creating controversies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Perry is a bigger neocon than Paul'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, he is pro business and pro people, that isnt neocon'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he is also pro energy'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all the things i like.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'selling off your roads to Spanish companies?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They paid a lot for it, and it is one of hundreds'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the main trans-nafta highway'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you dont HAVE to use it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no it isnt.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what it's GOING to be'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas 1 hasnt been built yet.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it most likely wont ever be built.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's going to use parts of existing routes, and yes it will, it's been signed'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'L.A Times announces: White men are terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this advert by democrat group on AOL: http://tinyurl.com/am45zeu'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for  snicker bars ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, demanding Sarah Palin retracts/apologises for her comments about the DHS buying 1.6bn rounds of ammunition, claiming it's wrong and dangerous to draw attention to it'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the normal "fake liberal" drivel, has nothing really to do with democrat ideology'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wish I could buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammo.....I am stuck with buying 500 rounds :('
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'The Royal Commission to Investigate the Facts Relating to and the Circumstances Surrounding the Communication, by Public Officials and Other Persons in Positions of Trust, of Secret and Confidential Information to Agents of a Foreign Power,[1] more popularly known as the KellockTaschereau Commission or the Gouzenko Affair, was a Royal Commission appointed by Rt. Hon. Mackenzie King on behalf of the Government of Canada under Order in Council P. C. 411 on February 5, 1946 to investigate the allegations set forward by Igor Gouzenko that a spy ring of Canadian Communists was handing over secret and top secret information to the Soviet Union. -- http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/story/2012/10/10/ns-delisle-spy-hearing.html'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't surprise me at all'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PROFUNC , In the early 1980s, the then Toronto Liberal Member of Parliament and Solicitor General of Canada, Bob Kaplan, caused PROFUNC to become defunct[1] by introducing administrative changes entailing the RCMP to discontinue whatever was contributing to superannuated communists encountering problems while attempting to cross the Canada  United States border.[7] Kaplan claims to have had no knowledge of PROFUNC until advised of it by journalists in 2010 and that he was dismayed by its existence, "I just cant believe it had any government authorization behind it", said Kaplan.[3]'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'seen that yesterday while following some links from the 1973 oil crises, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis somehow'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'trouble with having families in politics i guess, or any connection to the world, is the possibility of them being used to influence you to betray the 'larger community', inherent problem with keeping a centralized ogliarchal system over a stupid majority'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i wonder if the kgb has stories like Sasha (espionage) in it's past too'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or some of them other puppetmasters'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aw, a new pope.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, thing i immediately remembered was the mediation strategy, indicating who they may be'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'lots of catholics in the world, 1.2 billion they say, most religions evolve into governments (or from)'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Argentinian pope, entirely predictable really'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know if it was entirely predictable, but it also wasn't a shock'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a south american pope was extremely predictable ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but I personally though there was an outside chance of some african cardinal getting it'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or a south african nazi pope.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think that was ever nearly as likely as american media painted it'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american liberal media is just obsessed with black people'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I don't disagree with that'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was always going to be either a latino from south america or the italian choice'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'my thought process is that's where there's a lot of growth for the Catholic church right now, so I thought they may go with a Pope from that region'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an Iranian pope would have been cool.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jihad!'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an Iranian pope would have been somewhat unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new Iranian president soon'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the same one :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't be the same one'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ahmi is stepping down ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coming to the end of his term'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy has been 'elected' 3-4 times.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twice'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cannot serve more than two consecutive terms'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus he cannot stand in 2013'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like to be elected president of Iran.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt you'd be approved'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'could you imagine how many killers you'd have to put faith in in order to be a president or something like that?  especially in some places..'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'think so ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'candidates must be approved by the Council of Guardians, it's not terribly different to the USA's presidential process'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there's people who think they can change the world and stuff but, i don't think being up top is really as good as it looks from the bottom'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they still got their problems'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thanks to obama, our presidency is a 24 hour golf game now. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is certainly polarising the country quite badly'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'worse than Clinton did'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, clinton was awesome, he worked with both the repubs and democrats'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not talking about the politicians, talking about the people'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every past president of Iran is still alive'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iran is one of the better countries in the persian gulf, regardless of the situation with the west.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the citizens have more freedoms in iran than the other muslim countries.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would have been better yet had USA/UK not overthrown the democratically elected government there in the 1950s which lead to the current Theocracy'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but yes, they do'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i read once that anti-american sentiment was spread there alot during the cold war, mostly social engineering i think when it comes down to the person to person aspect of what they hate, the minority set who engineers them all is who's probably mostly responsible for the problems of any nations in history'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont think the iranian govt is suicidal though...they talk alot of rhetoric about israel, but I dont think they would use the bomb to attack israel.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have plenty of reason to hate america, it didn't need fermenting'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first the coupe, then funding Saddam in the 8yr war'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now these crazy sanctions'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I have found someone that I dislike more than Obama'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Michael Moore?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Piers Morgan'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Piers Morgan lol,was about to say that'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd pay you good money if you'd take him back'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck no, you can keep him'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he won't come back, chances he'll get arrested'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we should ship him off to Australia :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he's one of those people that I just cant' understand why people keep putting him on t.v.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's incredible how much influence oil has in politics though, that one movie i mentioned 'conquest of paradise' has columbus proposing to the funders of his adventure that they find a way to reach the shores of asia for trade, because the muslims (moors) wouldn't let non-muslims through'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the left needed a mouthpiece'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's what i remembered when i read about the 1973 oil crisis, and it's interdependent purposes'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've got plenty more idiots we'd like to send you'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'up there i think alot of things could be done differently though, like not everybody sits on a golden toilet - why should they fight over gold en masse as a top priority'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fresh from entirely screwing up -our- country, they can come to you to aid the ongoing effort to wreck yours. Aren't you glad we're so nice and share stuff like that?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we have enough idiots over here, we don't need more'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we can't even handle the ones we have'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure we can, that is why you buy some guns.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think they're idiots? damn, you must be one of those dangerous terrorist types'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't want your country fucked up by idiots, you're one of those extremist terrorist types, or a racist'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and that's the fake liberal 'meme' doing the rounds)'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Im probably both'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'apparently the Left wants to turn Texas into a battleground state'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, a battleground where we bury idiots in the sand of west Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 30 million years, they will turn to oil.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're going to lose Texas to them, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're sending all the dependents over from California, and importing millions from Mexico'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll turn your state blue, fuck it up with gun controls, nanny-state nit picking, then just bankrupt it'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's intimidating sometimes how much faith problem solvers put in statistics like that, predicting 30 million years from the scientific accumulations of the last 300, and risking being wrong on them'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and science predicts that the earth is 4.8 billion years old or 2.4, humanity is 60-80,000'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look on the bright side, gold is down a bit, but it's holding it's value in sterline because they devalued'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silver the only one that matters.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't buy silver :-('
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subject to a 20% tax here'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'any reason why it is subject to such a high tax?'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'value added tax, considered a luxury'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or, for you guys, a sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'applies to most things except a few basic foodstuffs, childrens clothes, couple of other exemptions i can't think off offhand'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is stupid....gold is the luxury, industrial wise is it worthless, but silver has real value.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold is tax-free, oddly'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a historic thing'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt they'll tax gold if people start moving into it'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'gold has a lot of applications in electronics, and some in medical, so I don't know if it's worthless'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silver has over 8000 industrial uses right now, and more are added every year :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold will never be worthless, it's undergoing a 'consolidation' at the moment, though don't expect it to rocket up until next year'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost 98% of all the gold mined in the last 2000 years still exists, unlike silver.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we currently use more silver per year then is mined each year.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'industrial uses and stuff, but how much of it is neccessary?  '
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all of it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'exactly, for what ?  machines of war, any household utility'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty soon microscopic pieces of silver will be in your clothes, to help fight bacteria and infection when you get hurt.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they probably have vaults of millions of tonnes of stuff like that in some places, like oil - i doubt it all gets consumed as much as produced, there's probably stockpiles of a thousand years at current consumption rates in certain regions'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true, because of antibiotic resistant bugs'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'developing a replacement for hollowing out the earth for a continual living and things like that's what i think more should be done about'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i seen that they don't seem to use or further some parts in science and things like that, cause they're not part of a monopoly on those minerals'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'science suppression for financial gain does happen'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'sherrard put it good though, how man has come out of the dark into the light and into nothingness kind of thing'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/public/articles/Modern_Science_and_the_Dehumanization_of_Man-by_Phillip_Sherrard.aspx'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more common is sharp practices like Montsanto and their GM patents and licensing of, and numerous pharma companies taking something that is free or cheap, 'tweaking' it, then patenting it and charging a fortune for it'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, i don't think that should happen as much as it does - and things like the chemical treadmill they put alot of the world's food supply on'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'considering things like the failed crops of 1971 of corn and biodiversity, and killing by hunger holodomor in 1930's'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there's alot of more nature-friendly yet sufficient methods of producing food, i think, than they currently use - sustainability'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or canola is worth alot of money, always the best paying seed for farmers in alot of agricultural zones - and probably alot of it gets turned into fuels, but there's things like that shrub which can grow in a desert (and possibly overtime, the desert evolves into a fertile land), and be used for energy - while the land formerly used for canola fuel could have lessened the chemical treadmill if the land canola was grown on is cycled through crops of food-grain, which is more abundant thanks to the cactus'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but there's also problems like population control and societies and things like that to think about, but that's some things i noticed'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'vegetable oil is bad for your health.....use coconut oil.'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reclaiming desert is the big elephant that isn't in the room - it proves that global warming is a hoax, else they'd be doing it'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the current global warming strategy is much like austerity in budget terms, they're trying to curb production rather than increase consumption'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't remember seeing -any- attempt to increase consumption in -any- document or plan, because that doesn't increase taxation and control'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/02/090220183706.htm there's that shrub i read about, haven't heard much else about it - but they do say a significant portion of the earths land-surface is covered in desert'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'otoh all the money printing, low interest rates and general corruption is intended to raise consumption (or at least maintain it a an otherwise unsustainable level)'
T3/r7/2013-03-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'co2 consumption, not product consumption tintin'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he was here a long time after he renamed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://knowledge.ca/program/afghanistan-the-great-game is a pretty good watch, about the history of britain being defeated by afghanistan with some modern day investigation and commentary'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'makes mention of a garrison of 17,000 people or so who agreed to hand over their weapons and leave the country as quick as possible.. 10 days march away, and on the 2nd-3rd they got hammered, and rolls royce and things like that, it was pretty neat'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'in the 1800's'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i noticed a bbc article on japan's comfort women yesterday, and recalled a porno i seen with a soldier in khaki's holding a gun to some women's heads and telling them to jump in a gymnaseum or something'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'not sure if that's all behind them, if they got soldiers doing that today, not sure if they're all japanese or role playing or not'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'his camo uniform*'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but at least world war 1 ended'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21226068 there's that article, i could hunt down the porno i looked over too, or you could look through the archives and see what i mean'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's kind of neat that germany was allied with china / associated till 1941, when that weatherbeacon, 'the hump' operation for naval logistics began, probably take awhile to learn how it all went together'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or was that 1943'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'https://www.mca-marines.org/gazette/article/marines-china is a good article i read about it, i read into things too much though.. '
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.taiwan.gov.tw/friendship100/story_content.asp?code=B&citem=B02&lang=en they still remember stuff like that though'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a Toyota Prius hybrid emits 0.6 tonne of carbon dioxide a year against zero for a Leaf. Scaling up the Leaf's subsidies means Norway is paying $13,600 to avoid a tonne of emissions, a stratospherically expensive policy since the right to emit a tonne of carbon dioxide costs about 4 euros on the EU's carbon market.'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a 600 year old chinese coin was found in Kenya.'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama lying about Iran's nuclear weapon ability to drum up war threat'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so what is the Obama administration projected or conjectured gameplan with Iran'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arbitrarily selecting "1 year" as the time it will take Iran to get a nuke as a pretext to invade'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prior to his visit with Israel'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well say any industrialised nation is only 1 year from a nuke'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they invade Iran because they might have nukes in a year's time, then they need to invade Israel right now because they already do'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'posturing to get something, or as a prelude to invasion, or as an attempt to be popular among the jews during the Israel visit'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't help, should stop the sanctions and stop annoying them'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran are well aware of the score, say nothing - if they actually -make- a nuke, THEN invade'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no warning'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'any high school science student can build a nuclear bomb if they wanted too.'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, riz, they couldn't get the fissile material'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"any?"  -- not "any"'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure you can, it would be a dirty bomb though....you can use radioactive medical waste'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be rubbish'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still powerful enough to destroy 20 blocks of a city.'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might irradiate 20  blocks, woudln't destroy them, or even damage them in a serious way'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unlikely to explode'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tel that to the okahoma city federal building, and that was only 4 barrels of fertilizer and diesel....add radioactive material, and there you go.'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dirty bomb is not a weapon of mass destruction'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if that is what you are calling a "dirty bomb", there are are far more efficient methods of spreading nuclear waste, but poisoning the holy land is unlikely to be done by the arabs'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iran isn't going to nuke anyone'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is all a matter of scope....a dirty bomb can be scaled bigger to make a bigger boom, otherwise we wouldnt have made the mother of all bombs....MOAB!'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those depleted uranium shells used by the USA and the UK are mini-dirty-bombs'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 2nd largest conventional bomb, after FOAB from the russians.'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Maob is not nuclear'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, they could already do that, it's not what the sanctions and rhetoric is about'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not talking about iranians, talking about high school students who want to blow up a 20 block of city....it can be done easily with a box truck of diesel and fertilizer.'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'NoAB'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only real hard part would be the radioactive medical waste.'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Canada, difficult to buy NH4NO3 -- the agricultural supply store recommends Urea instead'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so maybe Rizgoth suggests that those highschool students buy supplies at the ACME supply company - where Wil E Coyote shops'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unsure why students would want to'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'look at all those highschool projects that Rizgoth suggested'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Are you guys ready for white guilt wristbands?'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'white guilt wristbands can be take and shoved up the the fake liberal arse of whatever fuckwit dreamt it up'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the undeniable fact is that God likes to be White! :) '
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so do not apologise for being white'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when white women are elderly, they are likely to yet look good, thanks to being white'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when colored women are elderly, they are likely to yet look horrid, since the colored pigmentation increases unevenly'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from an evolutiunary perspective thus far, there are far more advantages to being white (than nonwhite)'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rebuttal?  (or do i also do the rebuttal)'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(but i'd be required to pointout the genetic defects afflicting some formerly-imperialistic whites)'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Happy and Glad to be White" wristbands -- that perhaps play the song "I'm so glad" (say) by The Cream '
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if a black-hating negro is denied membership to the Aryan Nation, would the civil rights movement rise up to support him?'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(a spokesman is likely to say that) the Aryan Nation is about the goodness of being White, not about hatred'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but did you notice that those "Aryans" on the Jerry Springer show did not look 100% white'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the song "i'm so glad" was composed by the blues artist "Skip James"  - so note the humor in previous countersuggestion to the Snooky trollism'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are looking for an attendant'
T3/r7/2013-03-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Probably the most interesting thing I've seen in a while: http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had to share this, it's awesome: http://www.wnd.com/2013/03/trouble-in-the-nanny-state/'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Foreign oil companies in the Niger Delta region are finding it cheaper to "flare off the gas" -- a technique of oil drilling that lights up the sky with wasted energy. Meanwhile, Nigerian villagers go without electricity.'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's very non-communist of them : and undemocratic, not even socialist'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nigeria is one the most messed up countries in the world....it exports 2 million barrels of oil per day,but has to import 100% of its gasoline and diesel because it has no refining capacity for domestic use.'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'at least it's ogliarchs are rich and it's professionals work in foreign nations'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'kind of like canada not feeding the jet fuel indians in the north for less than 8 dollars a litre of milk'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'while consuming 7% of the oil produced by itself in a year'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '.. if that'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'at least we have lawyers who can tell us why for a moneychanging living'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '22 acres of 'hay land' = 25 , 000 dollars, 145 acres of land 30 miles away = 45,000 dollars'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '145 acres of land on the outskirts of calgary = 22 million dollars, 145 acres of land next to a railway terminal = 45,000 dollars'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'naturally cost is relative to omerta'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'can i own all the mineral rights for your nation'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if you want to poke a hole under my house i own your ability to do it'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the invaders are coming, across 1000 miles of ocean, to murderfuck you for a living, i guess we shouldn't invest in submarine's to sink the floating invaders'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'sorry, the coastline is covered in land mines'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i guess we'll have to not snipe you off as you swim to shore'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Shell oil flares 1 billion cubic feet of gas per day in Nigeria....the same as dumping 180,000 barrels of oil down the drain.'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'as long as 177,000 barrels isn't worth 17.1 million dollars * the amount of days'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'naturally, they're doing things efficiently for their ogliarches golden human trafficking rings floating across the ozone layer'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but, as long as hitler lost the war, it must be a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how come they punished the tribal people in paraguay or uguguay for placing land mines on the landing strips of the drug traffickers'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'was it becoming too dangerous to murderfuck people in front of their families'
T3/r7/2013-03-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm a surgeon here to slice open your tits for cocaine for a living'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone wearing your white armbands?'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9932173/Real-life-superhero-stops-fight-against-crime-after-he-is-attacked.html hahaha'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What a crock of shit....NY confiscated $4.5 million worth of non taxed cigarettes that were manufactured in China.....and the DA said it was a good job by the police because it removed cigarettes from the street that contained chemicals that could harm the public.'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'tactical nuke cigarettes'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CyanKnight: 'dynimite cigarettes'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'to be fair, cigarettes have killed more people than nukes'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'though with a stark difference that people pick their own poison/fate with cigarettes'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CyanKnight: 'starting secret nazi party,anyone care to join?'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bought a rc predator drone....it is 1/5th normal size of the predator drone,  I am going to try to put missile tubes on it made from a high density plastic, and launch fireworks from it. :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just mowed my front lawn using my cool new honda electric riding mower.'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'lol, they're not too sneaky about smuggling stuff, In order to create a new transport and communicational units in Uzbekistan in February 2008 with "Korean Air" signed a letter of intent to establish an international intermodal center at the airport in Navoi. At the airport of Navoi, which is located at the intersection of air routes from Asia to Europe, will accumulate goods from Southeast Asia and the Central Asian countries to smuggle them to Europe, and cargo from Europe to smuggle them to Asia. , according to google translate - http://www.uwed.uz/ru/index.php?do=news&id=48 2nd last paragraph, maybe google translate mistranslated though'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'no english translation on website though, i found it through https://www.tsukuba.ac.jp/english/global/interaction.html and http://unu.edu/ and curiousity with silk road that i read about, which is also mentioned, after looking through http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibaraki_Prefecture randomly'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'had to translate to russian to get google translate to work'
T3/r7/2013-03-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'Move (goods) illegally into or out of a country: "cocaine smuggling". , (smuggle)    Convey (someone or something) somewhere secretly and illicitly.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CPAC endorses Rand Paul and slates the GOP leadership. THis is a good sign (tm)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'ay'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'ay, you canadian?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't that be "eh"?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'maybe ayeeee'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'what do you guys think of evolution?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about it?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'do we evolve?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we used to'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'well im poping up somthing?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't really any question of evolution in scientific facty'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'you know what i find more interesting, science can't prove or deny it : Reincarnation'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like God'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure the point is to find things that can't be proved either way'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'on both of those points, the onus isn't on science, but it's on those who claim it'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'but religion says evolution is wrong on so many levels.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imo, christianity and evolution are not mutually exclusive except in those who take the bible literally'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'evolution says religion is wrong on so many levels.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'religion said earth was flat'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it cannot, evolution didn't exist as a theory when the bible was written'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where does it say that?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'whatever the argument they were running in galileo's time was'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'evolution was around long before the bible was written'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'think it's more that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun went around it, red'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok, i concede'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flat earth theory was far less common that people think'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'religion said the sun revolved around the earth'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'evolution "speaks" to those with the ability to listen'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ancient greeks knew the earth was round'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, and so did sailors'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fraudulent defective religions said the sun revolved around the earth'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll get genuine mistakes, misunderstandings, misinterpretations, lies, deceit, and corruption in all parts of history. Religion is not alone in this , neither then nor now'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to characterise it in such a way needlessly devalues it, as well as giving a free pass to the corruption of authoritarianism that we have now'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not a justification - so "woe to those men by whom the abominations came" -- from a paraphrased Jesus quote'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts attempted to justify the corruption by religions by citing other corruptions, thereby attempting to hand out a freepass '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"God is not pleased"'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'true but i have never heard of hindu suicide bombers..'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what corruption?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'God is a thought exercise.  He is real because we believe in him, strive to live his way, and punish those who do not.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion is a device, people commit the corruption'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have a feeling it is hard to claim the race, creed, national origin, religion or sexual orientation of a successful suicide bomber.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet most suicide bombers were heterosexual, hence all heterosexuals are bad people. :P'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no argument there'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'lol first time i heard that '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: '90 virgins, they didn't tell me they were guys!'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, the image of a homosexual as being a weakling is a rather resent belief. Many of the fiercest warriors on antiquity were practicing homosexuals (though actually many were bisexual).'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of*'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Samuri are a very good example.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'isn't that a democratic argument, Ranrr?  Republicans hide their perversions, so all Republicans must be perverts?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is attempting to launder corrupt religions by (1) denial of corruption ("what corruption") and (2) attempting to whitewash and divert the corruptness of religion by stating that corruption is (only) in the believers (and not the religion) '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Alexander The Great had six limbs.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You usasians, and your weird politics. '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr beams a smile at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'i cant believe alexandre was homosexual..'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, though that might seem like a categorical error, Zade, it is not. Because without believers there are is no religion.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the ancient Romans had rather few taboos.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the corruptness of a religion is in the teachings and scriptures of a religion, as those teachings and scriptures when read are able to corrupt the unwary'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can't really corrupt an idea, Zade.  When you try, you just come up with a different idea.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you can prove the claim the the scriptures and teachings of a religion are independent of the believers then we are in business :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'would Baptism work?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Baptism is not a religion :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snaebjorn smirks at SnailBot Anaristos's saying.
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure it is.  All 31 flavors of it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'babtism , i take a bath everyday how can baptism be a religion? '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if all the believers of a corrupt religion are exterminated, but the corrupt scriptures remain, those corrupt scriptures are yet there pweerhaps waiting to corrupt a new batch of readers into new corrupt believers'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no such thing as a corrupt religion'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, then you will agree that there is sound in a forest when a tree fall without anyone being there to hear it :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Baptists are a religion'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Baptist is a religion, baptism is a rite.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'its not the words that corrupt but the interpretation and use of those words'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Islam is a terrorist religion -- a corrupted religion'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is not'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'obviously you have never heard of the Crusades.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'audibility is not sound.  Sound is the transfer of vibrations through a medium capable of such transfer.  Unless you're going to claim that we are growing trees in vacuum, there's going to be sound when one falls.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'like i say "the only thing more dangerous than a wolf in sheeps clouthing , is a wolf in the sheperds outfit"'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not arguing the point, Hanslanda. I personally agree with you.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'besides, if you are going to base sound on your definition then how do you explain dog whistles?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't have to explain dog whistles.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(most perhaps) all religions are fraudulent'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'ALL'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religions served a number of purposes, what YOU are confusing corruption with is the perversion of the teaching of religion in order to propogate a specific agenda'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we are waiting for you to say something worthwile, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'worthwhile*'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religions are corrupt in that the adherents and leaders resist the reduction and elimination of the fraudulent portions of the religion'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'stfu Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'any religion that entertains the idea of sin is corrupt :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by definition :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the biggest corruptor of religion is the state and or governance'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'how about the idea of wanting to hang homosexuals?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence catholics, henry 8th'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that sounds corrupt to me :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos, that may take some syllogisticx explaining'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Henry VIII ceased to be Catholic when he divorced.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's why he started the Anglican Church.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'angelican? Or evangelic?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Anglican'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Anglican is the Eurodaddy of the Episcopalian movement that sprang up in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is attempting to equivocate by faulty separation of meanings into separate labels, as though corruption may be juggled around to whitewash some labels '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Debate in and of itself is a corrupt notion.  The whole point of it is to turn wrong into right, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'let us assume that we have an atheist planet. How far do you think we would have been in terms of technology?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'same as now'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when a religion is extremely corrupt, both the religion is corrupt AND the adherents are corrupt and or corrupted and or deceived and or deluded'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'morality and ethics aren't the sole limiting factors of what can get done.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Avieta is attempting the justification doctine of "necessary evils"'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, all the New World religions sprang from the Puritan migration to America.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'doctRine'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a case in point for that is in the computer-parts industries.  We're only now reaching a point where the basic size of the silicon atom is simply too big to continue miniaturization, so we're looking to gallium oxide and graphene for alternatives.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Lutherans didn't.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Lutherans came later.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, Lutherans are Protestants anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and then there are the Episcopalians.  They came from the same locale, but I don't think they were Puritan.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in fact, Lutherans were the first Protestants :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos is attempting to deny the Catholic (and Deist and other) contributions to New World Religions'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Catholics came to the southern and central regions of America. The north was strictly Protestant.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I was raised pentachostial, we are some badass motherfuckers'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'no... I just think earths infrastructure (hope i spelld it right) would have been far more advanced if we didnt waste money building churches.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, the Capitol and White House are monuments, too. Humans like to build monuments. Just go to any major city in the world and some not so major.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Puritans were intolerant and ethically wrong -- Puritan abominations -- there was a documentary on a History channel that indicated the reasons the Puritans were a bad lot'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Furor, while that is an interesting idea, the way it works here is more interesting because players can address the issue in many different ways.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the worst thing about puritans is that they were puritans.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wasn't the witchery stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'haha, i knew zade got his information from history channel :D'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '"history" channel*'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decent benign churches were a fairly good social influence at the Church buildings -- so Avieta is wrong to say that Church infrastructures are a waste'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'puritans were dickbags, however'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'ay how do we explain witch craft? (scientificaly)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can agree that church building is/was a waste by considering that the funds for such enterprises come from people who have a hard time putting 3 meals on the table every day.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but that is mostly true for any ceremonial building whether religious or secular.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'witchcraft was invented because some scheming cunt thought the masses wouldn't sympathize with the truth.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As an atheist, though, I can still appreciate the architechture of churches, e.g. st pauls cathedral in london.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'obviously you know very little about the Wicca, Hanslanda.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wicca is not witchcraft'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'some of the religious architectures are breath-taking, a waste of money nonetheless.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so is the white house, the capitol, the pentagon, the supreme court building, the Eiffel Tower, and the pyramids.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's no glory in roads and sewers, though.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda is attempting a "divide labels and disparage" approach to wicca and witchcraft'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The pyramids were religious buldings, though....'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, they were cenotaphs'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the building of those infrastructures advanced stone masonry technology'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they were tombs.  It was improper to go there unless you were working on it or the intended died.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, and because of church building we inherited flying buttresses, so what? '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Still a religious building, imho.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought those came from the arab castles?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'don't concoct lies Hanslanda -- you weren't there'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, flying buttresses are European, though the idea could have been developed elsewhere also'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are part of Gothic architecture, mainly. Though they are use in modern buildings, too. Though they are not as obvious.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'many of the designs for earthquake-safe retrofitting incorporate the idea of flying buttresses.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that humans like monuments. A great example is the MTA (metro transit authority) of Los Angeles, which operates in the red, yet they spent 155 million USD on their downtown headquarters.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they could have run the system from a bunch of parked recreational vehicles just as effectively and probably for about 154M USD less.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or get a sight of grand central station'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is magnificent, I must say :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and if Grand Central Station is not a church, I don't know what is :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though secular, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'philly's city hall is the largest masonry building on the planet, with foundation walls 20+ feet thick'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'are they expecting an earthquake there? Or a F7 hurricane?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'had to be that thick to hold the weight of the rest of the building'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I bet. Must be very quiet inside.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it also has a larger 4-facing clock than Big Ben's (B. B.'s is just the largest 4-faced BELL tower)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes ooOOooOOoo.
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '39 steps :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ever see the movie?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'worth watching if you like b&w movies :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is likely to wait for a decent colorised version before deciding to not watch the movie ;) 
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the old movies of the last century are usually less "cluttered" than modern movies'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, how about those from the century before that?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I despise Ted Turner for pushing colorized movies. '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers "talkies" to silent movies
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'everyone wears either green or brown in colorized movies :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decent colorisation usually improves a movie'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad colorisation usually ruins a movie'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'b&w movies need not be colorized. The need for color indicates a deficiency in the viewer, lack of  color doesn't indicate in the movie :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ted turner or edward turner?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'by the time ted turner was anybody, color movies were the norm'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some b&w movies are greatly improved by excellent colorisation'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Ted, the man-wife of Jane Fonda'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Sin City" is an almost B&W movie'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no way to know what the actual color was in the movies. Especially when some directors took advantage of the fact that the movie was b&w and ignored chromatic clashes on the sets.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are just a product of the digital age, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the movie looks good after colorisation, good enough, even if the movie colors are (slightly) inaccurate'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'an age which lacks completeness, by definition :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer analog -- more depth, more information, more accuracy '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but the point of a move, is the plot. That is many b&w movies are so good, they didn't spend most their budgets on eye-searing sets.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there was no need, so movies were cheaper to make.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and people concentrated on the plots rather than on the pyrotechnics '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'digital video is able to be better than analog video, maybe'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you take the FX out of many current movies and they would be nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because their plots are so weak.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently digital sound (theoretically and practically) lacks the intense detail of analog sound'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wait, did I just hear zade say that digital video can be better than analog? you do know that digital video has digital compressed audio, right?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it will always be so, if digital sound match exactly analog sound, it would be analog :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, digital sound can be better than analog.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of the CDs by The Cream are painful to listen too (noticably) compared to the original analog versions'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, I mean why did animals that can hear spend millions of years developing the hearing of analog sounds when eventually digital sound would become available.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because digital sound didn't exist until we invented it?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you should tell mathematicians that curve  fitting is better than the curve itself :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Analog sound degrades with each media transfer. Also, sampling theorem.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'by "video", talking of the "visual" component only, not the crappy digital sound (with most of the original fine detail missing)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that might be true, but humans (and other animals) didn't develop hearing so that they could listen to recordings.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, no recording will ever be as good as the sound it recorded.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no creature develops anything for a purpose...evolution is not a conscious decision, it's merely a mutation'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'True, Ana, but irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and when you invent a time machine to re-hear the original performance, then we'll care ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's not the point, Abe. The point is that hearing of analog sounds was developed. Not hearing of digital packets.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all sound is analog, even digital sound'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have no quarrel with recordings, I have a quarrel with those who claim that they are as good as the original.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'at record time and playback, it is analog...only storage and transformation are digital'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'digital sound redigitised also degrades with each transfer (from speakers through air to digital recorder) and far more so than analog (from speakers through air to analog recorder)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody says they're as good as the original performance...they're merely better than any analog reproduction'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That applies to analog as well, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's just that analog degrades more times than digital.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of you seems to be afflicted with defective hearing (and untrained ears) if you believe that digital is preferable to analog'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a good analog storage and reproduction is going to be more-greatly-errant from the original than a good digital storage and reproduction'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just because some digital can be worse than some analog, doesn't mean all digital is worse than all analog.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'now those defects may be more pleasant to listen to (the "warm" sound of tube amps), but they're still defects'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a good analog storage and reproduction is going to be far far far superior to a good digital storage and reproduction'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so "liking" analog/vinyl/etc better than digital is different than it being as accurate'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it hasn't been in a good 20 years, and the trend shift is in the opposite direction...'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those unable to discern that fact: audio-detail-deaf'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because you say so, or do you have a scientific theory behind your statement?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'those that think they do discern the fact: delusional about what the original was'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'color-blindness is a bad affliction -- audeo-detail-deafness is also a bad affliction'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you like what you hear...that's not the same as you hear what you should'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Asked, and answered. You just think so, and we should just agree.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'actual scientific theory does support what i say with regard to excellent analog sound recordings as superior to current digital sounds'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yes it does'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it supports that if we could have flawless storage and reproduction, the theory could be better...that's not the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'has been scientifically-proven time and time again over the course of the past 40 years...analog oscilliscope writing to paper at the original performance, as well as at analog and digital playback...same instrument at all 3 performances...compare the 3 papers and see which is more-deviant'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in a perfect world outside the world of physics, analog would be better, nobody would dispute that'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from a theory perspective, digitisation of sound discards a lot of detail in the sampling which is theoretically unable to be reproduced later -- what is gone is gone.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in the world we live in, it simply is not, nor will it ever be the case...the issue is that as technology improves recording and playback techniques, those benefit both sides of the equation...digital is already PERFECT at storage and copy (the degeneration ONLY happens at time of recording and playback), and analog never can be'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, but do you dispute that there is an upper limit to the hearing capability of humans?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decent decent analog keeps (most) all of the detail (with some slight Signal to Noise imperfections added) -- and the trained audiophile is able to reconstruct the original sound with repeated listenings to the same recordings '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you're "reconstructing" the original, that's called "inventing things which don't actually exist"'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the debate doesn't even need to cover the physiopsychological capabilities, although those are what drove the minidisc to mp3 to mp4 algorithms...the "which is more-distorted from original" aspect handles it nicely :-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with digital recording, that reconstruction is theoretically not possible, and repeated listenings are likely to cause mental pain in the trained audiophile'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'with digital recording, it's no more or less possible than analog'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'To prove that analog is better than digital, always, you need to disprove the sampling theory or the upper hearing limit for humans. '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's where you're incorrect'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, you merely need to prove accuracy'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is handily done in the manner I've already described'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't need theory or opinions'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "sampling theory" you are citing is extremely wrong fraudulent and defective'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Really? Source?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you said the same thing about religions.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he says the same thing about anything he disagrees with ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you throw in words like "attempting", "fraudulent" and "defective", it makes your debates smarter, donchaknow'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think that arguing like that is extremely wrong, fraudulent and defective :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you "religiously" believe in digital -- and are fooled by the obviously defective "sampling theory"  -- extremely difficult to change "religious" views'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts attempted to justify...Zade: 'Tigernuts is attempting to launder...Zade: 'Tigernuts is attempting to equivocate...Zade: 'Avieta is attempting the justification...Zade: 'Anaristos is attempting to deny...Zade: 'Hanslanda is attempting a "divide'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no pattern here, nope'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'll change my views if I get proof of them being incorrect (aka science)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Zade: 'fraudulent defective religions said'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's like the trifecta point right therhe'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, and that particular point: Zade: 'fraudulent defective religions said the sun revolved around the earth'...the bible actually says that the earth revolves around the sun ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the topic of religions, even if a rigorous proof that (say) "God does not exist" were published, those that believe in a god are likely to continue to believe in that god'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't prove a negative, so that "proof" will never come forward.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the topic of religions, even if a rigorous proof that (say) "God does exist" were published, those that disbelieve in any god are likely to continue to disbelieve in the existence of any god'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And you don't need to, the default stance applies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yet, there are converts in both directions all the time'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would definitely change my view from atheist to theist if a proof of god was produced.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"one swallow does not make a summer"'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, that's a metaphor'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'requiring proof of god kinda defeats the object'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, I look for at least one swallow a week :-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's hard to get her to do it more than once a week :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'rx or tx?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc looks for Eureka
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem with you Zade is that you confuse evidence, existence and belief. You can't tell them apart :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion has been usurped by the state'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the converse is also true :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as true in the middle east and israel as it is here'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'converse is also true, yes, but not currently the problem here'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'django unchained and 'mies julie', coincidence?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, for one thing, Israel is in the Middle East. For another, most Middle East states don't pretend to be secular. So there is no usurpation.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ranrr, what if the "proven" god were proven to dislike homosexuality -- are you going to change from atheist to something else. or remain steadfastly an atheist hoping for a flaw in the "proof"'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://markettheatre.co.za/press-releases/read/mies-julie-press-pack'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that would be news, Zade :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Revolution!  hmm, to get a bailout of the evil banks in cypriot, the avg citizens have to give up 10% of their savings deposits.....talk about horse shit....let thebanks fail.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'both 2012, both blacks murdering and raping whites, music -h 30 has some interesting links on it though'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'believers believe in what they believe because their beliefs provide them comfort, even if they know their beliefs are wrong'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are trying to rationalize beliefs, which is akin to squaring a circle :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i wonder if 50 cent got his name from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_MaMa_Experimental_Theatre_Club or not'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'beliefs don't stand to reason, if they did, they would be facts :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should have let them go belly up with a controlled liquidation by the guvmint that paid back depositers first before other creditors'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Anaristos, not akin to squaring a circle'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'putting a square peg in a round hole :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the peg fits ...'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how can it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it specifically that Zade has against religion?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he was raised in a restrictive religious environment and now he seeks to rebel.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he was touched inappropriately by religious figures'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Zade, just because a god exists doesn't mean I need to agree with everything he says. But, if he truly is omnipotent and all-knowing, I guess I'd have to hate homosexuals.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or he touched religious figures inappropriately '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you said homosexuals, the police are en-route to you as we speak'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the defect with "sampling theory" is that the theory pertains to only a single sine wave, and not to a multitude of waves'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'If there is a god how allows the existence of homosexuals then obviously they are acceptable by the god.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You misread the theory.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'beliefs can stand to reason, its just not a requirement.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who allows*'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're assuming that such a God did anything other than create the starting conditions, rules, and kick the simulation off'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'denying the existence of something that obviously exists is an exercise in futility'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Reason is the ability to reconcile what you think with what we, as a species, understand. When you accept that we, as a species, understand very little relative to the amount there is to understand in the Universe, "being reasonable" becomes a logical fallacy.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'YEAH. I SAID IT.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's the point, Tigernuts. Unless you are going to claim the an omnipotent being makes mistakes :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw, some of the digital manufacturers know that the "sampling theory" is defective wrong and fraudulent, but they want to sell digital sound to marks, so they continue with the "sampling theory" lie'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus you find that the least important aspect of most religions is not God'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'not knowing their beliefs are wrong is only as tempting as belief that yours are unshakeable'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is easier just to blank the buffer portion than to crunch it to eliminate the blank line.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who's beliefs are wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'usually everyone whos is not me'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Scientologiests.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Er... tologists.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't need opininions about the sampling theorem, just a proof that it is wrong. '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no belief is wrong :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scientology isn't widely accepted as a "religion" though'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with analog sound, two output channels were emough -- with digital sounds, they were "forced" to go with five or more channels in an attempt to reproduce what analog stereo was able to do in both positional and detail'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how do you, for instance, know that they're not just pretending to believe in what you can't prove is nothing but believe so, and can't enlighten them because they're trying to darken you'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'Ana you are assuming that being omnipotent goes hand in hand with using that power to make everything and everyone the way you want.  that would just make God  the great puppeteer in the sky'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'time to go for a cup of coffee :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i need another too, some 'dekaffirnation' as they put it'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the context of christianity, the state has usurped the role of providing moral bounds, and charity... which is why it doesn't work properly any more'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'No, that's not what I am saying Andurien. What I am saying that once the omnipotent being puts events in motion, the final result has been accepted otherwise other events would have been put in motion.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the final result is not a fixed outcome'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but i'm not offended if , people got a deity or something that they can't prove is nothing that they hang onto, so long as they're not trying to cut off my head for it or something, then it's natural instinct to be offended by it'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, yes it is, Tigernuts. Every event has a unique consequence.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if two events have the same consequence, they are the same event.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'think it through, though :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'maybe some don't even try to prove one way or another, and i guess that's probably the case, and zade's arguement in the dark - and mine too, i seen the kinds of minds they got running this world'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the idea of a good saying "oops, did I do that?" doesn't play very well :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of a god*'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'a little bit of them anyways'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on a different note: Terrorism: noun, a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government. '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the secret surveillance of a people, together with removal of rights, and threats of arbitrary incarceration and execution "governing by terror"?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nah, that's just national security!'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i seen where order's headed, i think chaos is a better path'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts tsks Saint Cuthbert.  You feel sorry for her.
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so anybody signed up to go on a one way trip to mars in 2022 yet?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they won't accept you unless you're married.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're publishing the 2013-2014 budget for UK on wednesday'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rabshakeh, you likely obtained that from TheOnion or similar news-sourse'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's the one where america acknowledges north korea as god in a official press release isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'nah, i seen that story on a more legitimate news'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'ay you'll'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A donated human liver has been kept alive, warm and functioning outside a human being on a newly-developed machine and then successfully transplanted into patients in a medical world first.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it was british researchers at Oxford who did it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well obviously'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'science is kicking butt this year ay'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and they were inspired by the movie industry '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the new process will double the amount of livers available for transplantation into patients.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that sounds awesome. '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Scifi, Comedic, and Horror movie industry -- but do they pay royalties for using the concepts'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'the movie indastry? Realy now?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'by that statement, Roddenberry should be getting royalties for every cell phone sold.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and for every nudist beech'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beach'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cloning cells to regenerate organs is likely to be eventually supereior than transplants'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Dammit Roddenberry should get royalties for EVERYTHING'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Xaeris -- Dick Tracy cartoons with the tv wristwatch communicators came up with the concept long before Star Trek'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Not the point - I'm saying the actual flip functionality was the inspiration for modern day cell phones, not Dick Tracy.  Even cell phone developers have said so.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cell phone developers were likely bribed to say that'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'sure.  Everything's a conspiracy theory.  :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and the medical tricorder in the star trek series was the inspiration for the real one that is being tested.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention crystal memory drives that IBM Research has been working on for 15 years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'doubt that medical tricorders exist yet'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we cannot are never aware of the territory, we can only be aware of the map :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"we cannot ever be aware" :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'GE has a handheld medical scanner that has been in testing phase for a few years now, some high end hospitals already have them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of the concepts on Star Trek werer plagiarised '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, one could say that Star Wars was based on ST :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was a lot of Sci-Fi authored long before Star Wars and Star Trek'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'several Sci-Fi concepts in movies and tvseries were plagiarised from Philip K Dick sciFi books'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the ending to "Inception" plagiarised a concept from the ending to "Ubik"'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: '- http://www.everythingisaremix.info/  QED'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the ending to "Ubik" was humorous -- the ending to "Inception" spoiled the movie'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ancient philosophers debated about the ethics of the usage of tracktor beams 3000 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hundreds of dinosaur egg fossils have been found in northeastern Spain.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Inception" also stated that the dreaming state packed in a lot more information compared to the waking state (an hour hour of dream-state was only five minutes irl), but the reverse is more likely - five minutes of dreaming is likely spread over an hour irl'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'being aware of time is an interesting thing though, sort of like that day you don't remember all the details of, but it felt long without definition'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or when waking from a dream, how long it felt becomes ever more irrelevant as the conclusion is reached'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'took years to determine how the dream clock compared to the rl clock'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'possibly, if it can be figured out at all'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the dream clock is often extremely slow compared to the rl clock '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they monitored rapid eye movement and stuff in determining how long people dream for, and then asking the dreamer how long they felt they were dreaming'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is slow dreaming and rem dreaming -- they are different'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is also controlled conscious dreaming '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'since imagination exists though, likely we're always part asleep'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'like invented the concepts, or re-found them for star trek, that takes imagination if not looking back from what already exists'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the sleep state is a separate concept to the dream state is separate concept to imagination'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'somewhere's schizophrenia though, and what shamans and all kinds of weird people used to contemplate'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'schizophrenia is a normal function of sane humans'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you a proud wacko bird?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'what is the most dominant spicie on earth?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'spicie isn't a word'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'probably salt'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'what ever that word is man!'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's not really obvious which of the possible words you meant. '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I like my wings spicie'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'speci? Specie? '
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'also must define "dominant" if you're asking about species'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'most humans are submissive and not very dominant, probably more than any other animal per capita, more cowardice in humans than cows for instance, which only repeat after one another in their ignorant behaviour patterns, learning to interpret nature to be handy for the handler'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's pretty cool.  Earthquakes turn water into gold.'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'too bad it doesn't work on the mud'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'anybody know why, they call so many things 'saint mary's' this and that?  one mary was his virgin mother, the other was a adulteress/whore who became his girlfriend, what're they trying to say, while you weren't born of a virgin, jesus went out with a whore with the same name as his mother?'
T3/r7/2013-03-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so...medicare part A is projected to run out of money by 2024.'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Scars, decent Christians are unable to be offended by criticism of their mythology -- a long tradition of christians evangelicals stating that sinners and and nonchristians are to be cast into Hell, indicates a give and take in religious discussion'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'when you're old and your life is "over". do you think you should have the right to experiment with ALL the cool substances out there?'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brun: 'that isn't related to age imo'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'basically when you cannot drive safe any longer, you could have it compensated by drugs:) turn in the licence and get a box of needles in return'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Feb 2013, the US imported 1.3 million barrels less of oil per day compared to the same time in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'year over year oil consumption in the US has also dropped by 150,000 barrels per day.'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'U.S. oil wells produced 6.4 million barrels of oil per day last year  the highest domestic production level in 20 years -- and are expected to yield 7.3 million barrels per day this year'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Within 10 years, the US will be able to terminate all imports of foreign oil, except from Canada, we have no reason to stop importing from our Best oil supplier ever.'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canadian oil production is expected to increase to 6.5 million barrels per day with more natgas available for tar sands oil production instead of it being exported to the US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a new survey of the Barnett Shale in northern Texas shows it currently has about 44 trillion cubic feet of recoverable natgas, and should allow production to around 2030.  New technology during that time could double or triple that estimate, and add 30 more years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Barnett Shale field produced about 2.2 trillion cubic feet of natgas in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Cypriot 'confiscation of bank deposits' of it's people isn't going down too well...'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'At least they chose a reasonably safe place to test the concept'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they chose a small place where rich russians have got a lot of money deposited'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'sceptics might say mf global was the test, of course'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on a 1-10 of "bad news" it scores a very good 8, i woudl think'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'At current consumption rates, the data suggests the world has 54 years' worth of proved oil reserves and 64 years' worth of proved gas reserves in place'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll all be dead long before that'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dead or in government forced labour camps, take your pick'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dow Chemical is expanding its Texas chemical factories because of the cheap natgas in Texas.....they are adding 9000 new jobs in the next 2 years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mind you, they want to nick 10% of bank deposits in Cyprus in a one off, they've been nicking 3-5% of british bank deposits per year for a couple of years now'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hilary Cunton flips her policy on same-sex marriage'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err Hilary Clinton'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When it comes to energy production, Nevada is the most useless state in the union.....it produced only 51 terawatts of energy in 2011.'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas produces the most energy in the US, at 11,408 trillion btu of energy in 2011'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wyoming is 2nd at 10,500 trillion btu of energy in 2011.'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn, almost 2000 lbs of marijuana washed ashore a California beach.'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$7.50 for the dinner.'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia looking to establish a pemanent combat naval presence in the Mediteranean - talks of base in Cyprus'
T3/r7/2013-03-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/asia-pacific/china/130318/suntech-chinese-solar-panel-company-defaults-541m-bo'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In Wisconsin a company is building a $30 million methane digester that will use the byproducts of cheese production to produce methane that will be used to make power for 3000 homes in the area.  The left over solids will also be sold as fertilizer.'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'psst, they're coming for your bank account'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the cypriot guvmint threw out the bank deposits theft at the last minute'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like vampire feinstein's gun bill is DOA'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: ''By 2025, the amount of taxes we currently pay will only be enough to finance: our healthcare programs (Medicare and Medicaid), social security, and the interest we owe on our debt. That's it. Every other national priority: education, transportation, even our national security, will have to be paid for with borrowed money. Now ultimately this rising debt will cost jobs and damage our economy. It will prevent us from making the investments we need to win the future. We won't be able to afford good schools, new research, or the repair of roads. All the things that create new jobs and new businesses here in America. Businesses would be less likely...' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomberg_Television'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'is that real?'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mye: 'a real wall of text there, yup'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i guess re-education police services might be the degree of the future, due holocaust'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it's on the internet so it must be true'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'well, it's what i read on the page, anything formed with words and spoken by humans is probably a lie'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'liar!'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your mom's a liar'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'babylon the great.. has fallen.. has fallen!  , opened her ports to everybody - indicating sloppy administration, such as the kings of the earth who were 'liars' mentioned in isaiah, while lucifer was in the sides of the pit'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it didn't say, 'lucifer' was a liar, but god's punishment due to the misled, or is it missiled'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'god's punishment due to my sled. Roooooosebuuuuuuud...'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'northern canada doesn't scare me with it's death camps'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'neither do any of it's communist administrators'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'their flesh can be torn just like they tear it off others, right in their sight'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Rabshakeh, you have to keep an eye on the clock, it is time for your meds.'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'are they cut into a pair of tits crossing the spanish ocean, like a cocaine shipment'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( Chemosh, come and save us, please! )
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'babylon's across the ocean from america anyways, the open ports society is pretty obvious everywhere though, outsourced bunch of war bond whorehouses etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so it wouldn't be referring to that, the trend though is pretty global'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'america just lets it's priests determine how safe the debt collectors trips across the ocean are, for their banana money services'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are making your dealer proud, Rabshakeh :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't do narcotics, but the people who sell them own the legitimate drug manufacturers too'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are definitely on something :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and you're the type of person with chalk on their hands and black fingernails holding some barbie cadavers'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe is the fluoride in the water :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'are you doing some art-displays in maoism greece today?'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't knock necrophilia until you'v tried it. Though, I suspect you have :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'nah, i know the kind of minds that do though, like god can see the thoughts of the evil heart of man'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i am on something though, you have to be all saw russian ogliarch about your northern sled'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'oh look i just own all the legitimate businesses in the world with my group of communist nazi friends, i think i'll peek into your home like the jailcells in the movie in my title and do some ubermensch born in a cage eugenic psychometrics'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'true, especially if you are planning on winning the Iditarod'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Eugenics failed in your case :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they all die anyways, like your hopes of being a cyborg robot immortal in 2045'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'tesla's the kind of person i hate'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'd work for him like the dirt does today, he's a dissoluted nothing in my periphery'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if Tesla was nothing, where does that leave you?'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'a teslacaust denier'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, you would be an Edison fan. You probably would have enjoyed how he murder that dog to show how good DC current was.'
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'didn't Edison also electrocute an elephant? '
T3/r7/2013-03-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so that dog is a hero, because we now use AC :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'trying to find dr.seuss's design for death movie, and then come across suicide forest in japan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FDSdg09df8 , i guess they destroyed most of the documentary copies or something, crazy stuff http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_for_Death , they say there'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'anybody seen it why they'd destroy it?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'Your Job In Germany is a short film made for the United States War Department in 1945 just before Victory in Europe (VE) day. It was shown to U.S. soldiers about to go on occupation duty in Germany. The film was made by the military films unit commanded by Frank Capra, and was written by Theodor Geisel,[1] who is better known by his pen name Dr. Seuss. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Your_Job_in_Germany'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'While retaining some of the original film footage, Hitler Lives was written by Saul Elkins. The film warns that the defeated German population still contains Nazi supporters and that the world must stay ever vigilant against the prospect that a new Hitler will arise within Germany.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Lives'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they sure change their tune for the ezra 9:9 persians and other arbitrary war populations'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'so whats the debate about'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'why you have to ask that question'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'in the electric dirt of our unimind'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Optimus Cosmi snores loudly.
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'your zombies will be impressed by your wisdom'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'unimind=hivemind'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'teach your mockery of me with subject matter in school to all your friends'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Noegel pulls out a shotgun ready to shoot zombies!
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky cheers and sings... he is just BURSTING with joy!
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wikipedia seemingly does not mention any connection between the Dr Seuss film "Design by Death" and the japanese forest -- (if there is no connection, that was (extremely bad) misdirection reporting by Rabshakeh)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the forest came up when i searched for the seuss film, maybe it's a warning where did it go for'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'before running off at the mouth with unsubstantiated misdirections, check and verify the facts'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'i use fark for all my research'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Zade, do you have tickets for the worry-off?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and the cloud-advertisers who provide ip-oriented content to the silver surfer don't conduct psychological warfare through the ad's they choose'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'esl snooky'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'don't read in too deep zade, you have facts i have opinion'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'whats the point in debating an opinion'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'debate the facts of life'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'esl?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what do philanthropists run the world for'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'ok, so the bible says jews are god's ubermensch, after genesis'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'what ever happened to natalie?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'wasnt she a writer or director or somethine?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with *some* controversial topics, the world is extremely unforgiving -- stating flippant "opinions", without being able to back up those opinions, is often rabblerouser-suicide  -- "what the world doesn't forget, the world doesn't forgive".'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but breath-play porno and other categories isn't suicide for it's directors, hosts or actors'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's amazing stuff, i guess i better watch my words which are worth more than the crucified limbless corpsepiles of saint god'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'until you become a successful porno movie director, dream on, you roadkill you ;) '
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i wouldn't direct porno's, unless i was raised a sadistic cannibal like our dear leaders '
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'then i'd have grown up by age 13 or so'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and thinking cause you're born on the outside of the cage of government military world holocaust world police state and are therefore superior and immortal to me, is flawed in it's very design of my irritation of you from inside the cage you belong in'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unimind <> hivemind , (different concepts)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a friendly compost-digestor processes waste into decent earth (without annoying the neighbours with smelly spewage) :) '
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'use Febreze :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Febreze is dangerous -- a working nose knows and warns when smelly danger is near'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm sure about zade, but i think he's chinese from the way his mind operates, belittling with pride picking on acute accuracy of a opinionated nature as being flamboyantly false or true, with greatest representation given to inconsequential details distracting the conversed through expectations of ego-silence, despondent communist subversion such as is re-educated'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is White
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as he couldn't have guessed :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'well, you remind me of asian, i've never met a white person with a mind like yours'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we*'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'white people have minds?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'black people have faith in their ignorance, as do jews and other minorities'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but blacks are not a majority...'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I mean, they are not a minority. They are a major racial group.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'shame-cultures are mostly an asian invention, they invented it'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'psychological shaming wasn't present as it is today in historic white society's'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'all you need is people's thoughts to control the world, what they think is how real it is to them'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but i don't forgive either, like them - until they've paid for their shit, then i'll worry about paying mine off'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how did they ever pull off 'IF Day', in 1943 the population of manitoba, 4 years after the 'great depression', coughed up over 64 million dollars in under 2 months, from a 'simulated nazi invasion''
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '14 years'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'isn't that amazing, they had one in vancouver too - there's a steaming garbage dump under a park there, and a mann-made hill in winnepeg i'm wondering how many corpses are in'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'my grandma didn't get a name until she was 12 or 13, they just called her 'baby', possibly because she was a rape-toy for the invading nazi military'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but she wouldn't divulge very much beyond the military police'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'legacy of stretched vagina's and corrupt politicians who don't get picked off'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rabshakeh is no Rodney Dangerfield '
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's an amazing world, lets go have a gang war over who gets to sell this ecstasy'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'just observations'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no need to go to war when there's plenty of customers - xchan'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, i never touched hard drugs like that and never sold them either'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i see what people kill eachother over though'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's interesting stuff trying to find the roots of all earth's corruption and inhale their cancer glory'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and impossible i guess, maybe there's someone lower than even them in eternity'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you say "impossible" then "impossible to you"'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'a guess is a doubtful assertion, as you grasped'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad assertions are not excused with a "guess"'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so there's none so vile as the roots of all earths corruption, as managed by humans'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or is there some entity who's more wicked and evil than all of them and their inventions combined'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that (attempt to) preach that the possible is impossible are liars and deceivers'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm not an atheist, but i'm convinced that the stupidity on earth isn't attainable without spiritual evil'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so there must be something lower than the lowest of human filth on earth'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'partly anyways, agnostic - but i see that everybody's heart stops beating eventually, no matter how many baths of blood they keep theirselves young in'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rebshakeh, you currently do not serve god either, except as a bad example (of "raging waves foaming out their confusion")'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(some reincarnate) '
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with the bitterness, atheism is more natural'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you think because a human-provided book has a metaphor for ryu's fireballs in street fighting buddhist self-immolation's, i'm a god convinced unoriginal bastard, already being consumed by worms in the lake of fire, which can't be proven to not be the space surrounding everything, which isn't unlike the omnipresent god of the bible'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'convinced  convicted'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'convinced  '
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'convinced <> convicted'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i couldn't anyways, but i see the bible as a book of satan and the managers of his spiritual darkness that keeps the entire world in a choreographed managerie of deteriorating blasphemy'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'god is not you, convinced or convicted'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'believing in a Satan is pathetic'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'china is the dragon nation, and levi at han can mean the jewish serving the han dynasty, as they rebuild ezra 9:9's silk road for a conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rabshakeh, you speak like a puppet -- look at what you are typing in an attempt to discern and or conjecture the probable puppet-master(s)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and the candles on space tv aren't upside down to symbolize the upside down castle of that japanese legend demon'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and the tale of kieu isn't reminiscient of the average female life in the feminist civilized democratic world we live in'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'scifi scriptwriters plagiarise and copy that which is permitted -- don't read too deeply into fiction'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "gospel according to space tv" is not gospel'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade mutters to the fictional Overlords: "be simpler to repair the Rabshakeh puppet if the puppet were benign inside."
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'Gini's organicist theories of nations and natality are believed to have influenced policies of Italian Fascism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrado_Gini The Gini coefficient, which measures income inequality, is the highest in Latvia among all EU countries. http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/32067/ , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Schenker , http://www.logistics.dbschenker.lv/log-lv-en/start/about_us/'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'maybe part of the mistranslated smuggling route of a non-jewry mafia, http://www.dbschenker.kr/log-kr-en/start/Contact_Us/Korea.html , in singapore and the secret to asia's success'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'offician sponsor of the women's curling world cup in latvia'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so at least i found the source of the cold sore on the bottom lip of the german'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hey, put your tin foil hat back on, I can read your mind.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's alright, at least you can connect the dots, honor the waffen ss with me'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And while you're at it, pick up a history book so you at least have a clue.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'history's only useful in decyphering the 'sufficient unto the day is the corruption thereof' of the world today, in detailing the driving thought-patterns of the enemies who create it'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you are going to make nazi references, you better know what you're talking about. And you obviously don't.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's good, you know, neither did the maoist football player in greece'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if you'd have looked at the search results which you monitor in live time you'd have seen what i was talking about, facade's of ignorance don't work with me'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but we can pretend , which is what jehovah's all about'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Rabshakeh) "sufficient unto the day as the evil thereof" is the proper scriptural paraphrase -- not "as the corruption thereof" -- since Jesus was perhaps okay with necessary evil (and kept to a minimum) - Jesus was not abiding "corruption"'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'trying to distort the concept of freedom, democracy and independence all at the same time, LETA also reported that this past Saturday, the solemn WWII Latvian Legion remembrance proceedings at the Freedom Monument were disturbed by loud sirens and obnoxious Russian music. http://www.baltictimes.com/news/articles/32684/'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'these cold war people are lucky nobody real ever got their hands on some nukes, otherwise it would have been a warm war'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'cold war subhumans'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'filth that god wouldn't shed a tear for the disappearance of'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but of which fake god do you speak'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'one thing the i learned about the cold war . Is that humanity can whipe itself out'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the one that doesn't occupy the space surrounding every object within the universe'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'maybe next time they rename stalingrad they'll be obnoxiously disturbed'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'St Petersberg '
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tsaritsyn 1589-1925, Stalingrad 1925-1961, Volgograd 1961- (named after the Volga river)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'renamed to stalingrad for the memorial services once per year'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'as they do the victor march through moscow with detatchments from other allies'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wikipedia reports that "Since February 2013, the city's name (of Volgograd) is to be commemorated as Stalingrad six days each year" '
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'massmurderergrad'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Prokhorovka , 522 men (97 KIA/MIA)[5] 3[6][7] - 6[8] tanks destroyed 41[7] - 89[8] tanks damaged[9] (germany), ~5,500 men 207[10]- 334[11] tanks destroyed 420 tanks damaged[12 (russia) ,  Tactical Soviet defensive victory[1] Operational stalemate[2][3] Strategic German failure[4]'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rabshakeh, any other mostly-irrelevant facts today .. (unless you are able to indicate the reasons that concerns over the renames are relevant)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i already did several times, only further proofs supporting the theory are required'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Shashakeh, by mentioning the Battle_of_Prokhorovka, are you hoping that some god change the outcome of the Battle of Kursk, so that the Germans with negligible losses did not lose (and thus prolong the war), but to what purpose '
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK budget was held today'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will just say it did nothing to help the country's situation or my own'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Heh, Obama's limousine broke down in Israel after they filled it with diesel'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Poor Obama'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they really don't fancy him much over there, do they?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'James Herbert has died'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is painful to hear a fiscal liberal talk about federal finances......how an increase in federal spending that is lower then the spending that they want is a cut, when it is not a cut, it is just a reduction in the growth of spending.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'To Michael Moore,yes, show us the photos--Lets see them! No one has seen any evidence in this case? that anything other than the live shooter drill took place--No bodies, no blood, no adam, no video, all records, autopsy, death certificates, toxicology report, all evidence, all sealed and hidden from view--People with nothing to hide have no problem releasing the truth--Why is that there was a gag order in place yet the Newtown Hustlers went on a anti-gun tour across America....Things that make you go hmmm...'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't say that, Snooky! Anyone would think you're accusing the establishment and media of abusing a situation for the purposes of their political agenda!'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA are still paying 2 family members of veterans of the Civil war, and 10 more of the 1898 Spanish-American war'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'where's the source of all politicians?  are they all kgb servicemen?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they get away and are too unanimously , openly corrupt, to be random from various sources, they stem from a common denominator'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'all over the entire globe'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Not usually.  American politicians don't have the physical or mental prowess to pass the KGB academy'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'rex murphy's my favourite canadian news-analyst'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'he says things how they are, john stewart in the usa does some funny skits too'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Shameful.  He is a jewish KGB mastermind'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'well, maybe that's why they don't do anything with what he says in the government then'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they just go on and flaunt their immunity to any form of truth'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'That's what you think.  You don't know anything what happens in the government.  The government let's out what they want known'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'And they giggle as they surveil you through their scopes and antennas'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'I would know.  I'm the government'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and who's the circle of secrecy around them composed of, if not citizens of the nation's they fuck in the ass'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, i moon the satellite's i see seeing me sometimes, like at christmas'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Speaking in complete sentences is not a difficult art to master...'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Rab, there are many things the government would rather be doing than watching you.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'There's just not enough manpower'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, Rabshakeh, you are putting your health in danger with all that angst. :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'He hates this game and the internet too.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i have a limitless supply of it'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we know :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Noegel giggles.
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there'll probably be residual hatred emanating from my death into forever'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'No, people will forget.  They will remember you as the angry-at-the-world dude that didn't do a damn thing to make the world better.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'No offense.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we'll perform an exorcism, or something like it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'That would be fun.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Rabshakeh, sit down, relax, have a pickle.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Just not bread and butter pickles.  Then you'll REALLY be pissed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'your anger is just a filter through which you view the world. You can switch filters anytime you want.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'He has a dirty filter'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'no, it's a chiselling feature of the unanimous enemy that the world's pawns embody'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'which is the key. You are not angry because of what you perceive as unjust. You are angry because you enjoy it :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'analyzing everything to death and still being a skeptic is a good immunity to blind-hatred, hatred needs eyes like a black eyed sentinel'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'I wish I was a sentinel :/'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'analysis is fine, but you must understand that if you don't do a dispassionate analysis, the results are void.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Anaristos speaks the truth.  Bias is bad'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'd rather have my own than share yours'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I will not  let you have my bias, I am too selfish to do that :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am sure that being angry all the time is a laugh riot. But the physiological penalty is too steep for me.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i watched a documentary once where some harvard people were researching the end of the world, and one investigator claimed she couldn't meditate for more than 5 minutes on the thought of death'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's something different between me and them, if it's true'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you don't think, after admitting that, that you are not disturbed?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'I can think about death and dying and not be disturbed.  It's a part of life.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there's three types of people in the bible, both come from adam'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and it states 'god watches the thoughts of man's wicked heart''
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'here you are with the ability to make any choice you want, and you choose to be miserable.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so maybe females are just typically more life-thinkers, and men more death thinkers'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's a lot of bull taco :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't choose to be miserable, it's a part of me as much as your subconscious that feeds your minds with impulsion'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'I'm a woman, and don't mind thinking about dying, but don't quite know what a death thinker is lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'now you want to play the victim :) You are responsible for all  your actions, your state of being emanates from your actions.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and how about the warsaw ghetto portrayed in the 'film unfinished''
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'is that where you live?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'were the miserable people in the cage just figments of their own imaginations'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Noegel falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the entire world's situation evolves into the setting, so pretty much'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'depends how blind you are to social evolution'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are angry because they were delusional?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'I have anger issues and it is fricken exhausting'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos beams a smile at Snaebjorn.
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'are you skinny snaebjorn?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or not fat'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i wonder how much anger plays into metabolism'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I admit that an existentialist approach to life might end up in depression, but that is less likely than ending up having a stoke due to angst. '
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'it does play a part in weight gain I am certain of it'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the body is a closed system, Rabshakeh. So it plays a fundamental role.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'ok, i've always been thin, and most of my life negative'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so i guess being fat and skinny doesn't have to do with how angry you are'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is all a matter of attitude, Rabshakeh. You are angry because you choose to be. But because it is a choice, you can change it. You can, instead, choose  to be happy or, at least, content. Your brain will accept the new directive and do what is necessary to implement it. All you have to do is choose.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there is no choice in instincts, which resolve into anger and happiness, which come from hate and peace'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'go slap your dog'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'as with anything there are exceptions to the rule. '
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'tell it to smile for a buscuit'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there you go, you refuse to choose :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'choose to worship your milkbones or bite you'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'dog makes a choice, was it the real one or a mask'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'I completely agree with anaristos because my anger stems from my refusal to let shit go'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'i live a positive lifestyle, if somthing starts to anger me I turn it into a positive. works every time'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's a choice, but not ones I would recommend. You could instead, enjoy a breeze, laze during a sunny day. Smile at your neighbor.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'been there, done that, Snaebjorn :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'Yeah it sucks. Whats worse is when you develop a life around it and it becomes your company'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'True. Luckily, one can rely on feedback and change one's choices.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'At this point in my life it is exhausting and no longer serves a purpose. The path to correction for me though isnt an easy oneone but it is necessary'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'oh well To each their own path I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'use little vector steps :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Goddamn Piers Morgan is such a sniveling little dickhole.'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'if england is so great, go back'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Slaymore: 'are you piers morgan trying to see how many people hate you on aardwolf?'
T3/r7/2013-03-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so master splinter was behind the latest reactor problem, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21867705'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how was the world ever convinced that cutting the flesh off the tip of a penis makes you one of god's people?'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i looked at the origins of circumcision in the bible, and fail to see the signifigance of it'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'god didn't command rebekkah to chop off moses sons foreskin or else he'd slaughter moses, she just did it'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or how did moses and rebekkah inform the people they have to cut off their foreskins so that moses doesn't get slaughtered by god, just like his son'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they seen it from a imaginary friend's commandments from heaven'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'indicators that moses was a tyrant dictator who did whatever he wanted to his cattle, of which he was living image of god for'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's amazing how much effort columbus had to put into finding his new trade route to asia, cause the earth was flat until then and the moors wouldn't let them trade through their lands (muslims)'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'then they sacrifice who knows how much stuff today destroying the earth on trips to mars'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Nome Alaska has cable tv and internet now.....up to 105 mbit speed.......Nome Alaska ?!'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the code name for mortars during the korean war was tootsie rolls.....and when marines started running out of mortars during a battle, they needed to be resupplied....but the shipping clerk who sent them didnt know the codename for the mortars was tootsie rolls, so he sent the marines boxes of real tootsie rolls during the air drop resupply.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'must have been obama's fault.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: '3'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'depends on how far it goes before exploding'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if it doesn't leave the tube, or pops off early like cheap firecrackers, it could take out an entire squad of trainees'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when you handle explosives, shit can happen, and malfunction.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but not according to nevadas idiot democrat.....the sequester caused it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sequester caused the asteroid strike, too'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I sure do hope california gets off its butt and taps into that huge oil and natgas shale field they found.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope california breaks off the continent and sinks'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'CA has a reputation to uphold, Riz.  I don't think they'll be drilling.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cali is the 4th largest oil producer in the US :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sinking cali would get rid of a bunch of fake liberals'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cali was 3rd, but north dakota passed it last year.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'north dakota will pass Alaska this year to be 2nd.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it will never catch Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if cali doesnt do something though, wyoming or colorado will pass it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, even ohio might pass cali in 10 years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even illnois has lots of shale oil and gas, but the obamabots have stymied production of it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'California has a lot of beach.  Are you sure the figures were for petroleum oil and not suntan oil?'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wealth is not allowed under communism'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard Obama ordered the Secret Service to shoot Akmedinjihad'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'wouldn't that be a CIA job?'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt that's true, but if they had, it'd be a stupid idea'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since he's leaving office this year'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the NSA does the black ops stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, what really happened was that he was in NYC for a UN thing and his SS detail adjusted their shotgun mount.  It accidentally discharged and nearly hit him.  Allegedly, he didn't even flinch.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Shame though - Ahmadinejad is such a well developed enemy, it is going to take a lot of time to replace him '
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were in chrarge, i'd just leave Iran alone'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'remove the sanctions, stop bugging them, just leave them a promise - if you launch a nuke, we'll turn you into a glass parking lot'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ahmed is a good guy....a real humanitarian.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Then where will you start a war to distract us from the great economic crisis of 2014?'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone laughs at that joke, Tiger.  We have all these nuclear weapons, but we've only ever actually used two of them.  The rest are never going to be used, or at best were only used at testing facilities.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there won't be one'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what financial crisis ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'companies are making record profits after they fired 20% of their employees'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'companies are, people are not'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the one that happens next autumn after I have made some money and bought put options with them'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately your and my country are run by incompetents and evil people'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we're all screwed, enjoy the descent'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at hell is warm'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but they love you so much nuts!'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stfu and declare independance already so i can emigrate'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'My country may indeed be run by moderately incompetent people. I don't think they are particularly evil, though.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has to be one or the other, or both'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Energy companies have created 800,000 new jobs in the last 5 years, just think how many would be created if we moved towards a more pro energy centric plan.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't be pro-energy and implement agenda21/global warming targets'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pro-energy creates jobs and wealth, that doesn't fit in with the UN agenda, either'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US doesnt pay its UN dues.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'On the positive side, the areas humans are restricted to by Agenda 21 aren't called jails.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'So it must be a good thing.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What about executive order 66 ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're called ghettos, a WW2 term used to refer to boys in striped pajamas.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is anybody aware of any use of "niggardly" as a racial slur?'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Isn't niggardly a variation of the word frugal?'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Sure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controversies_about_the_word_%22niggardly%22'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'or thrifty'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'did you google it, or know it?  I've actually never seen this wikipedia article, but I'm going to read it now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's about as offensive as saying that there is a "chink" in my armor.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Kojiro: I've read it before'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'reading that wiki article, so far I don't see a single case mentioned in it'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's a whole section on racial use'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's talking about people getting offended at non-racial-slur use of the term'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'It's talking about people using it as a racial term'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that section...did you read it?'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'yes, I did'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it's talking about comedians talking about its potential'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's nothing about comedians in that entire section'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jeremiah is a good show.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I thought jeremiah was a bullfrog'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and he was no friend of mine ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't think God prefers burning bushes over prophetic amphibeans.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, I messed that up...'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'trojan man!'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'magnums'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'trojans are scum bags, literally.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buying spellup potions in bulk, 400k per.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '400K tps? Wow'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Err... why's this on debate? :P'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'at that price I'll seel you 10 :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '400k donkies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he can't spell "barter"?'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or I am so used to using debate, I typed it without thinking :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'would you rather have had that on barter? :P'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he assumes only people with warped minds (and who use this channel) would sell to him.'
T3/r7/2013-03-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it would've just ended up with Oladon: guys, take it off barter, please'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Want to know why the price of gasoline in the US isnt dropping, even though the US produced a record amount of oil in 2012?'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of US/Canadian oil is $20 cheaper than brent sea oil, but the US refineries use the brent sea price to calculate the price of gasoline and diesel in the US, not the US/Canadian price of oil.'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even though most of the gasoline/diesel produced in the US is made from US/Canadian oil'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HappyDog Madcatz: 'Probably a good surfer or two, though I doubt I could name any'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HappyDog Madcatz: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are US government passing a "Montsanto Protection Act" immunising them against any future legal action for contamination or injury/illness/death caused by their products?'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how come huffington post reports that 'Military Suicides: One U.S. Veteran Dies Every 65 Minutes' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Shinseki mentioned in article'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm?'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'alarming suicide rates isn't it, almost like they're being executed'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if the article is real, that is, i seen it the day it came out'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'higher deaths from suicide than from combat. it's all the crap drugs they give them, all the experimental stuff'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what you said about monsanto i read happened last january already (2012)'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why has DHS refused to answer letters from multiple members of congress asking why they have purchased 1.6bn rounds of ammo and 2700 armoured carriers'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, bill going through atm'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'just giving some consumer confidence that they won't be held accountable for any sudden biochemical warfare '
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'fda doing it's job on the lab rat's, with their lab-taxes'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is an ammendment to the bill that would strip them of their protection, but it's not gone through yet'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'gotta stick with the greens and blues.  If you end up getting a red-and-yellow pill, might as well shoot until you run out of bullets, 'cause you're gonna die.'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'haven't you heard, Tigernuts?  There's a war going on!'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with?'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Monsanto wants immunity for starting a cancer epidemic'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much sums it up, zade'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'monsanto is almost exclusively owned and operated by 'gods chosen people', schapiro the marxist anarchist/biologist took the reigns, who's family members currently handle america's financing in new york and head it's lawyer dept in california, in 1930 or so'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bill Gates is a large shareholder, too'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'family name originates with god's chosen people from spain immigrating to america too'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bill Gates, the well known proponent of eugenics'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'way to show their appreciation for fighting the evil antichrist military'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from a family of eugenicists :-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting struggle for power going on in the republican party, hope the youth win'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, i seen on this one website, (black power, sort of), http://uhurunews.com/story?resource_name=seeds-of-war-the-destruction-of-seeds-and-independent-farming-in-africa , a similar trend as happened in india, involving the bill and melinda gates foundation'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of bad stuff in south america too, rab'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'then there's things like the neem weed which they say has all kinds of free medicinal use, and too many things to bother to even try to squeeze into a few sentences'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah sort of, there's some decent things going on there toot hough'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'seen a monsanto documentary once where they showed how they can tell when their corn has been cross polinated with a mutant, cause there'll be 3 ears per leaf instead of one'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they have gmo monsanto stuff outlawed there'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you think the the Cyprus situation will end up'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but they still let toxic-gold mining practices and stuff go on'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't know, i don't like how they were planning on shaving off non-wealthy people's accounts'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i read once that the rothschild family owns a home in greece though, and according to one account, they own over 257 trillion dollars, or was it 512'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you know, so how is greece in debt with the richest people in the world there, owning like half the world's wealth'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't sound very likely'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Sunday evening they will reach a compromise and tax some depositors, and the total sum will be less than it is supposed to be and EU will say good enough.'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm not sure how the nazi's managed to finance all their war in ww2, but they do have alot of ore deposits and put their people to work building the machines and ammunition they used'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The richest people also generally have the option to shuffle their money around and pay 'taxes' to Cayman Islands and such :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'usually it's outside funding that people think about, not using what they have available to build their own things'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Somewhat amusing that greek debt crashes Cyprus'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also since we are doing predictions, economists are going to raise growth forecasts during q2 and lower them during late q3 and q4 :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i think it was funny that the EU got a nobel peace prize from norway this year'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'most of it's leaders didn' want to go and receive it'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'bitter peace if i ever saw one'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i read one article from a think-tank claiming that greece was arming itself on a treadmill with the eu debt to defend against a turkish invasion'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so if those crazy islams're trying to invade greece, then the rest of europe, why would they have them on a treadmill instead of supporing their defense'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amusing cluster of headlines: "FAA to close air control towers due to sequester", just below "Biden's one-night paris hotel tab $585k", just below "$459k hotel bill in London"'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recent poll rates only 18% of republicans, 31% of independants, and 58% of democrats have favorable opinion of Obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gun owners sue new york government to restore 2nd ammendment.'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(hope they succeed)'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'according to when i looked up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloomberg_Television , they edited out this phrase from a speech on television, -> By 2025, the amount of taxes we currently pay will only be enough to finance: our healthcare programs (Medicare and Medicaid), social security, and the interest we owe on our debt. That's it. Every other national priority: education, transportation, even our national security, will have to be paid for with borrowed money. Now ultimately this rising debt will cost jobs and damage our economy. It will prevent us from making the investments we need to win the future. We won't be able to afford good schools, new research, or the repair of roads. All the things that create new jobs and new businesses here in America. Businesses would be less likely... '
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so , for instance, where are the doctors for obamacare going to come from'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they can't seem to afford education there'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best ask fake liberals where the money comes from, and the gop'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same questions are being asked in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Montsanto. Umbrella Corporation. Similarities?'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'none'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Umbrella was building biological weapons'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'except in school cafeterias, food is not a weapon.'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'controlling the world's food and water supply, along with education, means that the world is under the control of your progeny forever'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you can live without any of this stuff, but once the basics are filtered and off limits, then you're hosed'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there's way's to make food, like that 1971 corn crop, gmo which will be exterminated by a man-made virus, which real plants weren't able to be'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'who knows, maybe they can do the same with people'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Nature always finds a way, Rabshakah.'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'highly regulated systems benefit those who have influence'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'T/F?'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if your regulators are hand-selected, and determine who's systems may proceed, then i guess so'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what's the difference between selected and hand-selected?'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ted Nugent rocks!'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'obama pledges 200 mil to jordan, would have have paid for the operation of 149 air traffic control trowers?'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21902303 , http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-21906556'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'aren't you guys glad, can build submarines and nuclear warheads to sink any monkey's crossing the ocean to invade you, and then enslave yourself to a biblical dictator from across the ocean and 2000 miles of desert'
T3/r7/2013-03-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'fuckin stupid, can't even have any real warlords in charge of the world's military's, bunch of clowns'
T3/r7/2013-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Massive volcanic eruptions may have led to the extermination of half of Earth's species some 200 million years ago, a new study suggests.'
T3/r7/2013-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The release of gases from giant eruptions caused climate change that led to the End-Triassic Extinction, the widespread loss of land and sea species that made way for the rise of the dinosaurs, the research says. The new study, published Thursday in the journal Science, shows that a set of major eruptions spanning from what is now New Jersey to Morocco occurred very close to the time of the extinction.'
T3/r7/2013-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly......never met a woman half as reliable as a horse.  -- John Wayne.'
T3/r7/2013-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Any woman that devotes her life to making one man miserable, instead of many men happy doesnt get my vote!  -- John Wayne'
T3/r7/2013-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Boris Berezovsky found dead in his bath. Suspicious death, probably Putin-bought assasination'
T3/r7/2013-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'not even the rich are safe from the rich'
T3/r7/2013-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if what you say's what is'
T3/r7/2013-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, could have been a non-political murder, but what are the odds? not exactly common here, we're not chicago'
T3/r7/2013-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'with power comes greater enemys..'
T3/r7/2013-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and that frenchman floating facedown in a lake or something the other day, lawyer'
T3/r7/2013-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'had a suicide note though, i didn't get to analyze it'
T3/r7/2013-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'extremely silly hit piece: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130323/DA56UDC02.html'
T3/r7/2013-03-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'burps. what burps are the nastiest?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That hydroelectic dam system that the turks built in eastern turkey is pretty impressive....provides almost 25% of the countries power, and provides irrigation for tons of farms.   Created over 10 million new jobs over the years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden we get 50% of our power from hydro (and the  other half from nuclear).'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sweden is not Turkey :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I also think eastern turkey should become a tourist hotbed, but most people are afraid to go there, so the tourist trade is almost non existent....a shame.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Many of the areas in the world are like that.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'what's so great about tourism?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Turkey has "always" been right between the christian and islam world, which makes it a bit unstable'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'turkey's been the source of invasions of europe for the last 1200 years'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, so Sweden is basically living atop a neutrino detector?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How did you make that conclusion?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heavy water.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok..... yeah, sure, let's say that. :P'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just wish the swedish citizens would have the guts to tell our politicians that it's time to go for a new generation of nuclear reactors. We should be leading the research on safe nuclear, not clinging to fantasies that we can shut down reactors. Imho.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should be building pebble bed nuclear reactors....ultra safe, and efficient.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i think sweden should look at the people who they provide electricity to's concerns before any 'memorandum of industrial espionage understanding' nuclear capitalization's, such as preventing vigilante's like breivik who couldn't stand the implications of the influx of immigrants, who i already provided reference to what they're causing'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are so many new, safe technologies, but no one seems to be willing to try them, I don't get it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i like that jus sanguinis, citizen by blood - priority of government before '
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'these un-natural immigration globalist bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Terrorists are everywhere, can't let them hinder progress.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If the french can upgrade their nuclear reactor fleet with pebble bed reactors, then so can the rest of the world. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the french _are_ the leaders in nuclear, and always have been.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'terrorists are the modern age corsair'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are all government-sponsored, though the government is not necessarily that of the country of origin :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden has been critized for lack of security around its nuclear plants, so some improvement there is needed, definitely.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'sweden doesn't have enough of a military or police'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and if they do something proactive, the media calls them racist, with their puppet globalist politicians'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've got a million-man army that's shovel-ready'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is sweden's immigration policy?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and why would anyone want to blow up sweeden?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'on thelocal.se last year, they imported 112,000 immigrants from non-eu nations'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sweden*'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'imported?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'slave labor'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they came in ships chained to the bilge?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just because you are a racist, Rab, doesn't mean we are all scared of islam immigrants.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what "imported" sounds  like, Hanslanda :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm not a racist, depending how broadly you apply the term, my specifications are more precise what i consider an undesireable person, than what color they are'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, they take full advantage of modern technology.  Planes and the internet trick a lot of people into getting stranded somewhere they can't escape from.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You are making racist statements, so I conclude you are a racist.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, most colored people are undesirable :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and i spoke to jews who pretended to be neo-nazi's, should i call them nazi's because they're pretending to be the mind of one'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'do you have to be a certain race to be a neo-nazi?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, there are black neos, too'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they're pretending for the purpose of profiling people, so they're not a neo-nazi'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what about a neo-con ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'actually, there are - hans, i listened to one before'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they don't have white people neither, they're more precise in what they hate'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, Hanslanda. So calling one a neo-nazi is enough, no need to mention the race.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people who use race to distinguish people when the context is non-territorial, tend to be racist, imo.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wonder why black folks in America don't realise they're voting in droves for the political party who's militant wing was the KKK'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i doubt there's any connection to the democratic party of the 1800's and now'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'sort of like wondering how come so many surname 'rice' black people get in power, with that being the author of the inspiration for the jim crow laws'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'history of a party + it's history is important, however'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are rather selective in what bits of history they abuse in order to promote an agenda'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Probably hard to find a more universal truth.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Larry Elder seems to be a grounded dude'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pretty much the whole recorded world history is skewed towards a europe-centric view.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd argue it isn't europe-centric'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not specifically'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'demonification of white people, slav or non-slav is mostly what it's geared towards'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i seen the kind of things they teach people in africa'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do they teach people in africa?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'do a little digging, you'll be disgusted by what you find in some cases'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do the teach, and who is it doing the teaching?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'TBH, I am more disgusted by what my ancestors thought and did not that long ago.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'So you really haven't seen it firsthand?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that all white people need to be enslaved by blacks, and owe them for crimes done to ancestors long past and things like that'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'E.g. the swedish race study institute in the 20s.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i've seen it on video's and documentary's and news, and it's results are readily observable'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Which documentaries?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and who funds this teachign?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'and which news programs?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't keep a chronography of everything i research'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'foreign aid is probably responsible for some of it'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Whites do not owe anything to the Africans'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'then it isnt researrch'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'sort of like al qaeda 'hijacks' charity, and says it came from allah , when it was the good intentions of the 'enemy' they teach'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'foreign aid is how it's paid, but which institutes push that agenda?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Hearsay is definitely not research.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's noted on several major media networks, and media is what asks for more charity money, so it's something to consider'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Africans captured and sold the african slaves to some whites'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's obvious that there are some angry black people in e.g. SA. Some of them are on aard. And, I can understand that they are angry and hateful. They have to learn their lesson about treating people with another color the hard way, just as white people are doing right now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i want to know who it is doing the teaching and pushing the agenda. I have suspicions without even looking into it'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Unfortunately I cannot beleive you if you have no sources.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if you look on unmissions.org's own websites, on dr congo for instance, you can see them mention misinformation and find endless points of curiousity'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Dutch stealing all those diamonds from the South African natives -- perhaps the Dutch owe something'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'To anyone that has ever read any history, this is an obvious and inevitable course of events.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's a starting point among many, don't need to get into the results like crucifixes jammed into throats and things like that, but those're things that cause more curiousity as to the source'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Spanish stealing all that gold from the South Americans -- perhaps the Spanish owe something'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'I shouldn't have to work to prove your point.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The difference is that the spanish and portugese killed the native south americans. The native africans are still around.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm sure everything i ever said on the internet is logged, context and all, if the sources are missing then they were there otherwise i wouldn't have posted them in real time - so if you've got some high level access to my internet adventures, you'd have them all readily available'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'again, if you want me to beleive you, you do the work'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, BTW, they didn't steal so much gold, more silver. (Which also made the spanish bank rupt, nice turn of events).'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are no "native" nonwhite Africans in the USA, except as visitors or illegal immigrants'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't want you to believe me, truth is relative to the mind considering the subject, how informed it is is why witches are burned and zealots are determined by the dominant level of awareness'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nor any native white people, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Then you need a propaganda channel, since debate with you is useless'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Lesson from history: If you are going to steal from native people, kill them all, otherwise it will bite you in the ass.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Also, do it more than 100 years ago, so they blend in better.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Tigernuts takes the time to source his stuff when it catches my eye at least, and I thank him for that.  Broadens my horizons'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr pats Zade on his head.
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the movie 'conquest of paradise' shows that columbus tried to get along with the american natives, but the replacements sent to his dreamland of an alternative trade route to asia, as the moors (muslims) wouldn't let spain trade through their lands with asia, brutalized them'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'kind of like dances with wolves'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's something that's spreading today, across the world, the muslims are setting up shop'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Muslim-hate, who didn't see this coming?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'america's 'silk road' strategy is masterminded from uzbekistan and turkey for instance'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'muslim-hate, calling muslims hating kafir's, or dhimmi's, muslim-hate?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'well, who would have saw such a thing coming, i guess you shouldn't be racist'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Exactly, you shouldn't be. So, why are you?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'british elite, with their spanish king in stalin's administration, such as bernard shaw and his advocation of the beautiful islamic dictatorship, stemming back to the empress of france and alexandria of denmark'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'alexandra*'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'prince charles today advocating islam, in some reports'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'obviously there's a multi-centural strategy transpiring'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So? Are you afraid of muslims?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'as does that monaco king'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i'm a dhimmi to them, they dismember people, cut off their heads, crucify them, rape their women, etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'look at news in egypt, even they're afraid of muslims'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'all lawfully according to their books'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, and christians are sooo nice. As the 100k dead civilians in iraq about that. Wait, you can't.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, go look through the gospel and point out the commandments that allow what the muslims do'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'christians are sooo nice, separating the religion from the physical reality'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Imho, all religions are equally bad, and peaceful religions don't exist. Of course, religion is just an excuse to kill people, the real reason is most often power, land or other resources.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and imo, if you're going to have a religion that crucify's and decapitates people, it should be in the best interest of your own sovereign nation'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But, without having done the math, I don't think you can find a religion that has had more people killed in its name than christianity.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly the south american death cults'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'christianity is a religion, the book it preaches doesn't involve a single ocmmandment, except in james when christ incarnate is on the earth to say who lives and who dies'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'to kill anybody on behalf of the book'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently not l'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So? The same can be said for islam. Books don't matter, actions matter.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently now 15 congressman have written to the DHS demanding to know why they have bought 1.6bn rounds of ammunition (and have had no answer) and possibly Rand Paul gearing up for another filibuster'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shame it's still such a small number of congressmen prepared to do their job'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'according to an article i read on news.az a few months ago, over 54 congress seats are filled by their agents'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or rather, 'working for us' so maybe a bill they wanted passed'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's adjacent to iran, so who knwos what they got figuring'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to run that past me again'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I heard that the NWO runs the US senate, and the president is a member of the illuminati. And, he's actually white, and an illegal alien.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of those things is essentially correct'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'also an article about the comptroller of texas visiting azerbaijan'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's who handles texas's money'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's believable and not unexpected'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'but the 54 i remember reading on there, i posted the link in real time on here awhile ago'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'az is a big oil route there in the monopoly game from asia to russia and stuff'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'azerbaijan is a big oil producing area, as is texas'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Someone needs to learn some basic source critizism, it seems. '
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if i had kept a document of all the links i ever posted with a rundown on why, it would probably be over a gigabyte big, and as difficult to repeat as that many chars entails'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have nothing against sources from abroad, provided you understand the agenda/bias behind it and can compensate for it'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only trouble is when you get people like Yuna and Dagnir who won't believe anything unless it's from CNN, MSNBC or in a hollywood movie'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'one thing to keep in mind though, in mexico city, in the ex-ussr azerbaijan, in azerbaijan they threaten mexico if they remove a statue of it's former USSR dictator in mexico city'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Does that only apply to sources from "abroad"?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'applies to all sources, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's considered occupied territory'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so how cold is the cold war, since the new democracy erects statues of it's life without rights in mexico'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cold war never ended'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And never started.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ended 18989-1990'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'er, 1989'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ranrr seems to be in denial in regard to the cold war, with disregard to the cold war'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yet, the united nations tells all the democracy's where to send their soldiers, releases kenyan war criminals against humanityt o run for president - elects kenyan to be it's human rights observer, keeps mlasovic imprisoned (comparative justice), and in 1945 In exchange for supporting Thailand's admission to the United Nations, the Soviet Union demanded repeal of anticommunist legislation.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Wikipedia says it ended in 1991'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and the goal of marxist-leninism: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Thailand), is a communist ideology, officially based upon the theories of Karl Marx, Friedrich Engels and Vladimir Lenin, that promotes the development and creation of an international communist society through the leadership of a vanguard party presiding over a revolutionary socialist state that represents a dictatorship of the proletariat.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm just saying that the so called cold war wasn't a war and it wasn't cold. It was just a bunch of unrelated events called the cold war in the US, so that they could get more money for military (and probably similar propaganda in the east).'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'united nations is likely the end of the cold war, with the communists on top then, judging from that - with some racist intonations challenged through the comparative justice'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and who was it who funded/pushed Mr Marx?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'people like sankara and others, like the president of liberia are also considerate - with their iran contra, world bank subversions etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ah, Cold War denialism'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'karl marx was a rabbi, with the same ideology as rabbi's in palestine at the time'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'rothschilds are jewish, and jews seem to control every nation they're a minority in'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, a jewish rant'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not denying any events, just saying the name is not descriptive.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'from brazil to sweden'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll get out the duck tape'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'rant?  look up the facts, and prove them wrong'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Jews are a minority in EVERY country (except maybe Israel) '
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all of the rothechilds are jews'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Marx was a Lutheran'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and was never a rabbi'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'no he wasn't, lutherans were loyal to germany - marx usurped the peace between russia and germany through his revolution'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'also exterminating all royalty that isn't a puppet'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Lutherans arent loyal to a country.  Call it firsthand knowledge'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'then how come otto von bismarck 'dubbed the 1st fuher' did so well for germany, being loyal to king wilhelm'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'dubbed the 2nd fuher'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'i need to turn this channel off for a bit.  I feel like I am being forcefed blatant lies fro Rab at the moment'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that Marx wasn't funded by globalist bankers is not in doubt'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rest of it, sounds like hyperbole'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i should really go to Highgate cemetary and draw a big penis on Karl Marx's memorial'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'chinese make pilgrimages there '
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i read on bbc a year or two ago'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's like muslims going to mecca once a year'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'hess's grave gets desecrated all the time'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though if we're being "consistent" then we should tear down his memorials and remove his body to prevent pilgrimages and worship'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you serious that they never found hitler's body?  they say he committed suicide, but i never hear mention of his grave'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they found his body, but they almost certainly destroyed it'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they dug up other leading Nazi members bodies and removed them because of people using their graves as shrines/pilgrimage points'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they'd probably have that place turned into some kind of a mockery or another, maybe they'd get all blonde haired blue eyed german women and give their vagina's hitler moustaches and turn it into a whorehouse memorial, with main patrons being black or some other non-german entity'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, i'm just thinking in terms of how the future folded out, what kind of a locator could be devised'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'maybe it's in amsterdam'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'spellup all'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glad you know how that works'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'even in the mash tv series they liked to talk of how much of a whore germany is '
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i guess it's alright they lost their war there and got turned into more of a whore themselves, maybe it's like karma'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're all a bit beyond Nazi Germany'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'learn the lessons and move on'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'was a fan of metallica until i realized lars ulrich's godfather was one of those early porno pioneers for their afro-cola, white genocide, black immigration to europe, whorehousings'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'always knew there was something up with that though, from my neighbour when i was a kid in militant northern canada'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Metallica sold out'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still enjoy their music though'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade never liked Metallica 
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Metallica is music for middle aged guys. Get off my lawn!'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They were pretty good once, like in the middle 80s.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Metallica a homosexual african group - the Metallica music seemed mediocre, never stood out, except as something to ycchy to avoid'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Compared to the good heavy metal of the 80s, like iron maiden, ac/dc or black sabbath, they were pretty bad.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i don't like any of those bands really, some of their songs reflect concepts i think about sometimes is all i listen to them for'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'most of the original rock 'n roll is based on the pillaging of europe by the allied forces'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and how much of a free slutfest they enjoy at their expense'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'such as the politician who is a fan of elvis presley, the warsaw ghetto (he happens to be jewish), and the release of 'in the ghetto' by elvis presley being on his birthday'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'acdc's money for nothing and chix for free, or was that the dire straits'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'akin to 'banana money' as issued bo japan to singapore in ww2'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'rock n roll might have got it's 'rock' from either jesus christ tomb, or else rudolf rocker, who was einstein's favourite jewish anarchist'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sequester doesn't appear to have stopped $500 million of aid for Palestinians'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'we should stop that'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'all aid'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA set to send troops to Syria or use Israeli proxies after jihadists are confirmed as using munitions with home-made chemical warheads'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a fucking whitewash'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'just bomb the shit outta syria, save some cash on the back end'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Jim Carrey has once again proved how irrelevent him and his dead career is by releasting a song for "heartless motherfuckers unwilling to benf dor the safety of our kids"'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks for that, Jim, now go stick to 3rd rate comedies with the one character you can play'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'House intelligence committee chair Mike Rogers "It is abundantly clear that a red line has been crossed"'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Mike, only if you have a stretchy red line which you can move anywhere you want on a whim'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Retired army captain warns DHS acquisitions are bold threat of war against american people, suggests tObama's administration intends a 'coup' against the masses'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially what i thought was going to happen all along'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said all along that they will overthrow the USA bill of rights and constitution to form a single homogenous country - the left have to do that in order to push their fake socialism to the next level of control because otherwise they'll just get blocked by the states that aren't braindead enough to vote for it'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah, you'd have to be a fool to think that America is not at least on the road to tyranny. Unfortunately most Americans are fools. Don't want to see what is really happeneing because it would make you "unpopular". Hivemind in and out man I swear.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in 2008 Obama said he wanted a domestic military security force as large as the army'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was part of his ticket'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there will be a minimum of 3 months national service in this defence force for all citizens'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah, and everybody seems to ignore this.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Notice how quiet debate is right now. While you bring this stuff up. That is what the collective is like too.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think that is?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't want to believe it'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well I almost can't blame them. Who wants something like that to be true?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you rearrange the letters in debate you get the word "troll"'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if you play it backwards from an analogue source'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'really, though, who wants to rehash old shit that Faux News was talking about months/years ago?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'any of it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so if 2 years ago, someone said that in the next 8 years they were going to kill your kids, if you hear that the same guy has bought a gun and is headed in your direction, you'd say "oh, well that's old news, don't care about that"?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's not news'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'news is what's already happened'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stories develop, hans'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4 years ago you hadn't had a massive armaments buildup in the DHS'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides, people have very short memories'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many people who voted for Obama remember that he even said that?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we did, actually.  Glenn Beck's been talking about for at least that long.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Glenn Beck's a tard'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Because he is black and if you are critical of Obama then you are a "racist".'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's usually right, though.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he usually poo-poo's stuff until it's been proven right'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if he was right, he would still be on fox news, and not in the wastelands of podcasting.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he poo-poo'd the bullets purchase, he poo-poo'd agenda21'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Shit, Alex Jones is better than Glenn Beck by a mile. And I don't even fully trust Alex Jones.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's just a slimebag clinker'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, he was warning about it before anyone.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they were calling him crazy at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy is a first rate nutcase.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Art Bell has more credibility then glenn beck.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeast has more credibility than Glenn Beck'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mind you, looking at American media, yeast is more credible than most of it'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that the BBC is much better'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least rush limbaugh is intelligent, and uses the media for his purpose correctly.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'glenn beck had it all, and destroyed himself.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a cult of personality, riz'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'media personalities aside, that's what the state of play is so far, and that's my take on why it's going on and where it's going to'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'glenn beck should get a show on comedy central......then he will become popular again.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'states will cease to exist as governing bodies, they'll exist only for administrative reasons'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all areas will have identikit rules, taxation, policies'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except for city ordnances and things that don't really matter'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why they're now pushing very hard indeed for compulsory gun registration'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so that when they ratify the UN small arms treaty later in the year, they can then confiscate so as not to be in contravention of it'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, Automakers are expanding their Texas factories by 3000 employees in the next 2 years to increase production of trucks and suv's.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'joy, shitty motor production being moved back home'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Trucks are the #1 seller in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coming emissions rules means they'll be shit, and nobody except the dealership will be allowed to fix them'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, my natgas truck is 80% cleaner then any gasoline or diesel truck.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't be selling you YOUR nat gas truck'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll be selling you a high-tech computerised monster with built in failure-points that you cannot maintain'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the sheep can buy those, I will stick with pre94 vehicles.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you'll have laws brought in limiting co2 emissions which will cause them to put more stuff in it to break, and then they'll put in rules that say that you cannot have a car on the road that has ANY non-factory parts in it'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(such as what they're rolling out over the EU soon)'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a model T is more efficient and cleaner then modern vehicles that are 2x heavier.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, texas seeks to repatriate it's gold from the federal reserve'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it took the US 80 years to finally surpass the mpg of a model T by the avg vehicle in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 1908, the avg mpg of vehicles was 21....in 1938 it had dropped to 14 mpg.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'at what speed...'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Vial of virak material goes missing from UTMB lab, called Guanarito, is responsible for deaths in south america and is currently being researched because of it's potential use as a bioweapon'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bat guano ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bat guano is a bioweapon.....just walk into a cave where they live.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'berovsky death appears to be suicide'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the russians killed him'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leader of the syrian opposition government resigns, claims islamists have too much influence'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WzsU-Cj8yKc'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(contains language)'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has 80 million acres or so of peat that can be used as a resource, but 99% of it still goes unused.  What a shame.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'carbon footprint, it would mean paying Al Gore too much money for not saving drowning polar bears'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont care about co2 in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't, the people who run your country do'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no they dont.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're misinformed'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are about sulphur dioxide.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they hold the save teh polar bears meetings in thailand, where humans have the right to be whores'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Russia uses 60 million tons of peat each year to produce electricity.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'nicholas cage will keep things straight in 'bangkok dangerous' though, making sure neither of the pimps leave the limousine'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I wonder how much peat the scotts use to dry their malted barley.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you live in massachusetts you can buy peat blocks to burn in your woodstove.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they tested a floating peat moss that encapsulates oil and leaves out water while remaining buoyant for raking off the coast of norway one year'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/04/100415085315.htm Apr. 15, 2010  A small Norwegian company has a peat moss product that could come to play a surprising role in a key area. '
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but, can you re-peat it?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so instead of using that illegal chemical dispersant, they could have used some of the unutilized peat moss, transformed it into that stuff, spread it, raked it, strained it (thus keeping money from the oil retrieved), dried it, and re-peated it '
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i pointed that out on like the day of the oil spill'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he said re-peat.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'majic wins.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'used again, and repeated'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's been a globalist agenda since before the year 1900 to melt the arctic ocean though'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'in the 1950's they wanted to build a dam across the water from alaska to russia to speed up it's melting'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the arctic ocean is melted...it is water.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shock discovery: Artic ocean is made of water!'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'which isn't all frozen all year long, but alot of it is'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'scientists expect before year 2025 it'll have at least 1 day of icelessness'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Boooo there have been periods of global warming and cooling throughout earth's history'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, and human's don't pollute the great lakes, which indians used to drink out of until the new humans came'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'obviously humans have 0 impact on the environment that covers pelicans with oil'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'It happens, but it's a bit sensationalized.  Volcanos put out way more than we do, but I'm not saying we have zero impact.  We're just not that horrible destroyers some make us humans out to be'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'If anything is going to kill us, it's going to be a lack of resources'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you know, someday we are going to find a human bone on Mars, and the enviro whackos will say humans caused global warming on Mars, and killed themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, humans couldn't do without that gold under the amazon, so they had to cut it down to prevent global warming'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'That would be interesting to find bones on Mars, but highly improbable'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We wil never run out of resources, because we can MAKE new resources, it is called technological advancement.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Making new resources costs resources'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only energy.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Plus technology always has the human greed influence'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and a little matter'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'You can't make energy silly billy'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'It's gotta come from somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You dont need oil to make energy...you can use fusion, nuclear, solar, wind, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'And oil is required to make the necessary parts for those machines'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are not going to run out of uranium or thorium for nuclear power, or helium2 for fusion.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or is it helium3 ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'helim2, deuterium'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'No idea, since we don't have a viable fusion source yet'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'So whatever they're using now, is probably going to change'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but how many billions of humans require to starve to death and or die horribly so that a few humans may become rich'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'deuterium is heavy hydrogen'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hydrogen2 even'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'as my grandpa puts it, 'we're bugs to them''
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I was tricked!'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'er  so a few humans may becoime richer'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'It is the way of the world as it is, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so next time you see the raid ant-killer commercial, where you put the nozzle on their hive and squeeze the foam into the hole, remember - you're the same to the people who made that application of it'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Until someone makes some sort of breakthrough in economic science, there will always be poor people.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'If everybody in the world made the same amount of money, things wouldn't be worth anything, because everybody could afford everything.  Then people would charge more to get more money'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, until we have a United Earth, there will always be poor people.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Big circle of doom'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there will always be poor people even with a united earth'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there'll never be a united earth, division is natural - like in the gospel, where if one city doesn't accept you, shake the dust from your feet and move to the next'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Still poor people in United Earth lol.  Just because you have one country doesn't change a thing'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'A god is likely to euhanise the wicked humans from the planet '
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And there are different levels of poor.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a poor person income in the US is upper middle class in India.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the goal isn't a uniform level of wealth, it is just insuring that being poor isn't a death sentence'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Yeah but it costs more to live here'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'So, the world wants to be at least as poor as poverty in the US?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Where everyone can afford internet and a cell phone'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'I could agree with that.  But it's kind of their own countries doing that to them'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, it means save up your money, and then move to Belize, where a $50k a year in interest from your money gives you a really nice lifestyle in Belize, on the beach.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Lol I had a guy from work move to Baja California and lives in a mansion for almost nothing (compared to US)'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'interest on 50k or 50k's worth of interest?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Internet and a cell phone is at least 65an per month in Canada -- that is not cheap'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '50k worth of interest.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot compare poverty in terms of absolute wealth across different locations'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so like 1 million dollars and 5% ror? not an easy goal'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: '65 a month?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5% interest is easy to get, use your brain.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'a rock solid 5%? not so easy to obtain'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'maybe 5% over the long haul, maybe even better, but not guaranteed'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg muni bond in Texas pays 4%....that is AVG, many of them pay much more.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tax free'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'should sanctions be placed on france and britain for supporting the syrian rebels, which terrorize syrian people, including alleged reports of usage of chemical weapons on civilians - among numerous rapes and other things'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I find that hard to believe'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, their should'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Rape is more of a criminal thing, I would say, but confirmed chemical weapons attacks should be punished'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Rape isn't sanctioned by a country, the individual soldier should be punished in the jurisdiction of the crime... not like it's going to happen'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'pretty impossible to sanction a g8 country, hell even a g20'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suggest the whole g7/g8/g20/UN to be pointless hypocritical waffle then'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Noegel wildly nods her head at Tigernuts... she seems to be in total awe.
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a lady in NYC who has her whole inheritance in NY muni bonds, she earns about $20 million a year in interest, tax free.  Most of the bonds she bought are 30-40 year bonds that had yields of 6-8%'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Inheritance would be nice'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if you could get a guaranteed 5% return on some form of bond or investment (which you cannot) you'll find that in realterms you've made a loss as inflation is, and will continue to be >5%'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but the principle is in the billions'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'infaltion has not been more than 5%'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation is more than 5% right now and has been for a while'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only reason it hasn't been much higher than that is because the housing market has been static for a couple of years'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government is getting ready to end that, though'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Different countries I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA's inflation has also been running at 4-8%'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'inflation was 5% + for only 3 months in 2008'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, you realise that that chart is fiction because it doesn't account for the minimum 3 different incompatible measures of inflation used over that time'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '1991 saw 2 months over 5%'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/inflation-charts'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my inflation rate in 2012 was up 1.6% from 2011....that is the REAL inflation rate as it affects me....national rates mean nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personal inflation for me has been running at around 10% for all my adult life'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Jesus'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mainly because transport is a large part of my expenditure'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes that says the official has hardly been over 5% '
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, tiger also loves those salt and vinegar pringles......*duck*'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly been over 5% except since 1987 and every year since except 2010 ;=-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'salt and vinegar is awesome'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the pickle-flavored chips are better, though'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Noegel is agreeing with that the soul of Hans person again...
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Except for the pickle ones ew'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dill pickle flavored chips?  bleh.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ever tried the cheeseburger lays?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Dill flavored sunflower seeds are awesome when trying to stay awake'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'texas bbq flavored cereal.....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'I'm from Texas, Riz, and that sounds horrendous lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sounds better than beer cereal'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whipped cream and sardines'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'Or FPSRussia on youtube eating vodka cheerios'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'vodka is just flavored water with an aftereffect'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that guys got quite the playground doesn't he?  i seen him blowing up cars and and all kinds of things, skeet shooting land mines'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am going to build my own UAV, and fly it over the southern border looking for evil doers......'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if the BP will shoot it down.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i watch his youtube video's sometimes, they're funny in a destructive way'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Noegel: 'He sure does Rabshakeh.  I think he is in Oregon'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Britain may have enough offshore shale gas to catapult it into the top ranks of global producers, energy experts now believe'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'UK offshore reserves of shale gas could exceed one thousand trillion cubic feet (tcf), compared to current rates of UK gas consumption of 3.5 tcf a year'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and how far ahead into the future do they look for unknown consequences/cause - effect, etc - what alternative technology's and science are put on the backburner and not experimented with to replace the destruction caused by the extraction industry'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or just like horses they like their sugar cubes and don't care about when they stop arriving'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Unlike in the United States, where mineral exploration rights are with the private property holder, most European law gives mineral exploitation rights to governments, which provides a serious obstacle to speedy development of onshore shale.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'the land i'm on now, somebody owns the mineral rights to it who's progeny lives in the usa'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'there's potash and gas and stuff under it though, that was theirs over 100 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where i live, the government owns all the mineral and mining rights, regardless of who owns the land'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Here in Texas, about half the land is separated from the mineral rights.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So you need to buy the land, and then buy the mineral rights if someone else owns them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would never buy land in US though, if it didnt have the mineral and water rights attached to it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'landowners have no rights, the mineral or water owners have all the rights.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government are chipping into the UK shale investment'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mineral rights owners can have your house moved from the land if they want.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt on the verge of civil war, it seems'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'at least , from the news article i seen where a man's son was shot, they have a fundamental purpose to some of their opposition'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's disappointingly predictable what is going to happen though'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i hope the better guys win if they do have one, the military seems to be on the side of the people like the guy who's son wsa shot, since their presence is supported by them'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the muslim brotherhood will crack down with authoritarianism and violence and you'll either have a strict islamic state under sharia law as a result, or there'll be civil war'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cyprus needs needs to confiscate all the russian bank accts, and leave the regular citizens alone.....that would fix the problem.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cyprus needs to let their banks fold'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'yeah, but their soldiers have to enforce the authoritarianism on their behalf, and that's not guaranteed'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not guaranteed, rab, but the government did win a majority.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all those russian mobster deposits are what make the cyprus banks 8x larger then the economy they serve.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '.. is it?  they're made up of their population of people who's sons could have been shot too'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anything can be taken for granted there'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you can hope for is new elections'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting: Fearing international intrusion into Arizonas affairs, the Senate voted Wednesday to make it illegal for state and local governments to recognize the United Nations or any of its declarations as legal authority here.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such a thing shouldn't need to have been said, unfortunately other parts of government seemed to have forgotten it'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Almost everything that comes out of the UN are just "recommendations"'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Almost none are considered legally binding'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the problem'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a reference to Leon Panetta using the UN as conferring legal authority for military action'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Doesn't matter what it's a "reference to" once the law in in place.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use it or ignore it as necessary'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'the UN just recommends stuff.  haven't seen the bill you're talking about, but I'm assuming it's just saying that they can't prosecute someone for not following the recommendations without first enacting those laws.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'at least, that's what you made it sound like'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, it's a barrier law to prevent the UN from being used as a legal basis for an action, and makes it illegal for state, county, or local officials from implementing the UN rio declaration on the environment and development or the Statement of Principles for Sustainable Development, or receiving or giving money for, being a member of, contracting services from etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Arizoa is seeking to counter the UN small arms treaty (a treaty which is illegal for the USA or the Potus to sign or to agree to because of the 2nd Ammendment)'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/51leg/1r/bills/sb1403s.htm'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN small arms treaty is worded in such a way to deliberately blur meanings to give Obama the cover to introduce it, but would be illegal for the US government to sign into law if read in the way it was intended'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Let them come visit the ranch....I will show them how accurate our family Tank is.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN small arms treaty does not recognise the right of the people to own guns. The preamble written by the authors of the treatise believed that private ownership of guns 'threatens the legitimate power monopoly of government''
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is possibly the most bone-headed and treasonous statement in the history of the universe'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah, but isnt the UN a joke allready? They arent even a paper tiger. They are a paper bunny.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not a joke in the least'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they could do with disbanding, we'd all be better off without them'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, we still will not pay our dues on time!'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I believe we still owe about $18 billion to the UN.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everytime they do a boneheaded thing, we hold payment.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about when you do a boneheaded thing?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is our right.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps if the rest of the world actually paid for the UN, we would think more of the UN.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody has any money'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the UN, like most of the countries in it are welfare cases that suck on the teets of the US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop bombing and invading countries, then they might not need the teets of your humanist kindness'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh.. there IS a debate channel!'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lies'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'this chan needs to have a spin-off called the troll chan'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol that could be the curse channel I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't really know it was here till remmy pointed it out... the traitorous bugger!'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i got cursed off curse for spamming the other day'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'after i showed that the altar of jehovah-shalom was actually built on the altar of baal'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rabshakeh, it's because you're a silly boy'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and jehovah's a sacrifice to baal'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Only problem with that was, that everyone else was having a different conversation at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And again, I remember killing Baal on Diablo 2'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i know where el diablo lives, he's still around that old shapeshifter'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, it's because he's like the best there was, the best there is, and the best there ever will be when it comes to professional spamming.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'here's a little question for you.  If Jeebus is god and he goes down to Hell to murder Satan, why does he waste time kicking Death's (what's left of the greek god Hades) ass along the way?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'a better question is how come people who see angels today are schizophrenic, but there's 3 billion believers in the world who agree with the diagnoses'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they say the meek shall inherit the Earth.  Says nothing about them being other things, too'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'just after the verses in my desc, is where the priests of baal will be killed by the priests of jehovah, cause jehovah can't speak for himself like baal can't'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you should check it out, they probably don't teach it in bible school much'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that's the foundation of jesus christ's whole jehovah story , and referenced by islam and other religions along the way'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'none of these gods can speak for themselves, and even if they could or send angels to speak for them, the witness would be a schizophrenic'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'and yet, the believers believe in some kind of a time when seeing invisible people was sanctioned as a godly event, instead of a mental illness, which jesus cast out insane spirits of in the gospel'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we weren't really made in God's image.  Not enough earth to hold all those elephants.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh I love reading Rabshakehs rants'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they're more valuable than dr.oz discussing the g-spot studies on polish volunteer cadaver's from florida'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/25/health/la-he-g-spot-20120425'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'anybody can be a butcher'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're nice when they don't look like a list of metawords designed to catch web spiders'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the g-spot doesn't really exist, Rabshakeh.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i wonder if germany quit exporting it's elderly yet and how many volunteers for g-spot studies were involved'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'one time a jew pretending to be a nazi claimed they still have those furnaces going in poland'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have them all over the place in the US, we disguise them as mortuaries and package their use as cremation.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if it weren't for religious ceremony, they'd probably operate like death factories.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of which, did you hear someone invented a Soylent formula?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yum'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'anyone here '
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'know if the rumours of assad getting assassinated'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'are true?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they seem to have their priorities straight at least, funding the rebels who lock down city streets in france for prayer ceremonies, conduct coordinated violent attacks across europe, chant death to the infidels behind british war memorials'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'call for decapitation of those who don't observe ramadan in oslo'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'etc etc, thailand, phillipeans all over'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'supporting the good guys they are'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'how come assad's not behind any of that'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i guess because he's a real enemy of theirs, festering threat who causes none of those things'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'bunch of dipshit nothing's who run europe'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'i wish i was alive back when real people ran nations'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'same here'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'then i'd have contributed to one'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i dont care what anyone says JFK was the last real american president'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, you're alive now.  Might as well contribute.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Instead of sitting around, complaining.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'complaining about what syria danny's media portray's is likely fictional in itself'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'true enough noegel'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'that 'secret afghan warzone in england' youtube documentary is interesting though, those chunks of meat and stuff, sick stuff'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAi5HC9ArFE'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'people will bitch and complain until theyre blue in the face but when its time for action theyre to busy watching jerry springer'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i think i seen that vid on abovetopsecret'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Exactly.  We live in a good country (you too, Canadian Rabshakeh).  While we sit here and play Aardwolf and complaining of the little things in our lives, other people in the world are actually dealing with real issues, like getting murdered by militias.  So, Rabshakeh, if the world makes you mad, go over to those places and change things up a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'you think it's paradise in these country's, then how come you can't afford your rent or have a decent life or find a job or anything'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'thats easier said then done'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'it's sure paradise for the ogliarchs who fly their limousines to india at a million dollar tax-credit though'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'you wanna fund me to go over their and try im all for it'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'where in canada are you rab?'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nope, I sure don't, but there is always a way... if you actually want to put your mind to it.  Thing is, most people don't.'
T3/r7/2013-03-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Even though they say they would.'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching a crappy disaster film made in 2012.....40 days and nights......5000 feet of rain falls over the whole planet.....where did it come from ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a question of biblical proportions'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And since there are forests and lakes above 5000 feet on the planet......the whole premise that 99.9% of the people and animals would die is wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so Cyprus went from one bad plan to an even worse plan'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would people feel if the government just snaffled 40% of the money in their bank account?'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they'd probably stand around and protest like hippies and pray that god will see common sense'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think if someone did that to me, i'd be torching the bank and taking prisoners'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'or else they'd bring otu the hammer and nails and decorate the trees'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can ask the Cypriots about it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all busy protesting'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the poor cypriots need not protest anymore, they got their deal.'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you should ask that question from the hungarians, nuts'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the govenment took their saving a while ago'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when was that, and what were the circumstances?'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'jfgi'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm fortunate enough to be impoverished to be well below the savings guarantee line, but i'm mindful to spread my funds'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cancer-detecting dogs, baffling'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'if they hump your legs, should you see a doctor?'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, no, they can detect some sort of decay product of cancer cells in urine samples. very accurate with prostate cancer'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rand Paul is responsible for a 50 point swing in public opinion over drone strikes targetting american citizens'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DHS have been video'd shipping out their tanks across the USA recently'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'are they gonna cull the herd down to 240 million by 2040 is too many?'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which herd?'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'just a story i read on somebody's wiki, holdren iirc'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Eric Holder?'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'herd of human cattle, like the cows running from the barking dogs into the truck to happy meal land'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<-- FEMA zone 7'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Holdren chief science advsiro, maoism 'great leap forward' , chinese communism works http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_R._Immelt'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/11/white-houses-business-adviser-says-chinas-state-run-communism-works/'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-21822684 put in gulag for saying the police didn't do their job as her 8 year old daughter was whored in a brothel, missing persons report'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'even the person hold ing the can of raid can get zapped in a nuclear incinerator'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'china only waxed 60-70 million people in it's great leap forward though, america has nothing to worry about hollow points and tanks in fema homosexual plexiglass house plays'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expect massive casualties on both sides if they tried it there, americans have a far higher gun ownership rate than the chinese ever did'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which i guess is good for the purpose'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any kind of federal takeover of the states would be a great way of having your government toppled'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'maybe the hollow points were part of the afghan exit strategy'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'as they show on aljazeera documentary afghan's practicing home invasions in training exercises'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I seen a sign that said "This spot reserved for energy-efficient vehicles".  Is there's something wrong with those people?'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I saw a funny picture of one of those "energy efficient" reserved spots with a pair of sneakers sitting in the middle of it'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sort of thing needs nipping in the bud'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since those 'energy-efficient' vehicles are not actually energy efficient'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the only "reservable" spots in the USA are for handicapped... you can legally park in any other spot you want... if it'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my donkey is energy efficient'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'donkies -are- energy efficient'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if it's private property, you may get towed, but you can't be fined.\'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hybrids cause more pollution and co2 emissions than regular diesels'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'towed==fined if there's a release fee'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well sure... but there's no criminal charges'
T3/r7/2013-03-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Steel giant Nucor is building a brand new factory in Louisiana to be closer to the large supplies of new natgas......it will provide about 2000 new jobs in the area, as well as another 5000 downstream supply jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Vancouver-based Methanex Corp. decided last year to spend $425 million to disassemble an idled methanol plant in Chile and move it lock, stock and pipeline to Louisiana.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the energy boom in the US is expanding.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dow Chemical announced a $4 billion investment in facilities, part of some $15 billion in expansion plans announced by Gulf Coast chemical makers.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'With Chinas energy-hungry economy expected to continue to rely on imported oil, some analysts believe Beijing may soon begin swapping its huge pile of U.S. Treasury bonds for barrels of West Texas crude.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except with north korea....theyare the ones assured of destruction....'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'what happend to amina , heard she "dissapeard"'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'she refused to pay the tp tax'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, one of my fav recipes, rice, lentils, reindeer sausage, salt, pepper, garlic, onions, chili powder, tomato sauce, and put on garlic bread....a diferent version of shit on the shingle.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we should be working, and earning a living instead of playing this game'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if we work, we run the risk of the government seizing our savings to help pay for stuff we don't need.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Work work'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Work pays for my mudding'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sucks to be you.  I've got a government job that lets me play games like this all day long.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a robotics company has created a new humanoid robot that can replace humans on the manufacturing line in factories....they sold out of the $22,000 robots for the next 6 months in only 1 week.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I have a government job too, but it doesn't let me sit down and play all day'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Can't blame them for replacing human workers... it sucks, but robots aren't lazy, don't require worker's comp, and work 24/7 without a complaint (besides blue screens of death)'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hear the govt is going to replace most of the human BP agents with automated drones on the border.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is that the bot that can learn/adapt to conditions on the assembly line so it's not just adding to the backlog when something went wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hehe I'm in the Border Patrol my job is toast nooo'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Still haven't heard about that, but we are getting a lot of aerial drones'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'robots do not need pension or retirement plans either.....they can be easily upgraded, and work forever if needed with just maintenance.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seems to me we should be using the robots for picking fruit and veggies from trees and plants......'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'illegal immigration would drop like a rock. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No it wouldn't they would just find jobs elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'fruit trees and veggie plants are too saturated with robot-killers like fresh air and irrigation systems.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Illegal aliens are about as adapatable as robots lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Hanslanda too ture'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'True'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'robots can be waterproof, duh :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also, illegal aliens do not need retirement or pension plans and will work forever if needed.  As an added boon, no maintenance.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I would rather have 18 robots building these homes, instead of illegals...you cant even find legal people to do the work around here anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for every job we put out, we get around 20 illegals for every 1 legal person who applies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of bollocks in the news about gay marriage. Everyone keep an eye out for the bad news they wanted to bury'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bill gates' $100 million database to track students grades, hobbies, and conduct'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ND signs nation's strictest abortion laws'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mcdonalds is testing a new robot in one of its stores to eventually replace cooks.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not new'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They have robots doing drinks and stuff now'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, they are called teens.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the uplift of the mountains and the continent in general shed off the midamerica sea.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest theory about DHS ammo purchases is to dry up the ammo market and deny ammo to the citizens'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which sounds a bit more credible than other theories'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which would only really work if the ammo-makers were the only ones able to make ammo.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they mostly are'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If only, at least my department (CBP) is having ammo shortages ourselves'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'has no one suggested fat fingers?'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's CBP?'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Customs and Border Protection'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just because nobody wants to make ammo doesn't mean they can't.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is lots of .22 caliber ammo out there, and shotgun shells...but everything else is having shortages.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not legally, hans, you need a license to make ammo'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's dumb.  We have ammo shortages, so they buy a lot and store the ammunition, but won't issue it because we're short.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's certainly the case that something is going on'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Trust me, the government doesn't have the capabilities to do any large scale conspiracy theory we are just so unorganized'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Can't even change up the staplers at work without forms and more forms'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'legally we can't do a lot of things without some sort of license or proof of ownership, yet we do it anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all of the ammo companies are working 3 shifts per day now.....they will never make up for the current demand....so get used to paying higher prices for ammo until the current factories are expanded.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when a government gets too big, Noegel, it becomes like an out-of control self-feeding reaction'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Tell me about it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Our government is fully capable of operating efficiently.  They just need to cut the excess fat.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Mostly they need incentives, I reckon'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But the excess fat departments are the departments that manage the cutting of "fat."'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yours has more fat than mine, and ours is pretty fatty'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as the politicians are allowed to make the budgets, and not the experts....there will never be an efficient govt.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't even -need- half the federal departments because you have STATES to do those jobs'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nobody wants to be the bad guy and cut jobs.  '
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll have to eventually'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only question is how many people die before someone gets the balls to do it'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Or they could do it the nice way, stop hiring, and only hire one guy for every 10 retirements.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You dont need to cut jobs, many of them can be moved to the states.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Instead of the 1 for 1 they do now'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They can't be moved to the states smoothly.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, quite honestly, everyone wants everyone but them to get cuts'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Get the feds out of making laws for business, and you get a better business industry.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Totally different setup.  It's like moving someone from Wal-mart to Target.  Different companies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has dropped from #1 in creating new businesses to #14 in 10 years.......'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'well, not if you have business making laws for business, perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't really need any federal departments with the exception of the fbi (which should have the nsa rolled into it), armed forces, border agency, and IRS'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yay you included Border Patrol.  I am pleased.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the federal education dept is useless.....it is not needed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the others could be replaced with purely administrative, data collection and target setting offices'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, riz, that's a good example: just need a federal board to set exams, leave everything else to the states'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'There needs to be a way to make public education a competitive industry.  If a school sucks, I should be able to send my kid to another school equidistant away.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If you want federal money, have a better school.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feds shouldn't be involved in giving money to schools'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not what the feds are for'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If you leave education to the states, they will be even poorer than they already are'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Texas can afford it, but there are a lot of states that aren't self-sufficient'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the people of the states should vote them out'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all states can afford education, they just cant afford the federal mandates that are required of them to provide education.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'states did just fine teaching kids until the feds started getting into it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all states can afford education, period'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for a given value of 'just fine', maybe'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not saying it's gotten much better, but there are plenty of schools where kids were graduating essentially illiterate long before nclb and the rest of the federal mandates'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Education is waaay more expensive now that it ever was'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i'll definitely agree on the jacked-up price though'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We waste millions on each school because of federal design laws, and I am not talking about handicap ramps.....how many box schools have you seen in the last 50 years ?  School designs used to be efficient, and quick to build, and not very expensive.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't know where you live, but here in south texas schools are still built efficiently'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Big brick boxes with straight hallways and cross hallways every once in a while'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no they are not...they might be built ENERGY efficient, but not design efficient.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The majority of expense comes from computer labs, modern projectors, and all that fanciness.  It all costs money.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The school district here just built 2 brand new schools near me...and they cost close to $15 million each....and they look like greek museums.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Other than that, you still have the corny single seat wooden desks they've been using for a century'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't be the design so much as teh forcing kids to wear RF tags that would worry me'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol well that is a waste'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am going to move to a county in Texas with less population, and old schools.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and gigantic walmart/costco superstores?'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I grew up in a town of 1200... they got a new school with funding lol.  It is efficient.  I haven't seen these fancy schools from up north though'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Houston just passed a large bond package to build, or replace 30 schools......something like $500 million.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And superstores are 15 minutes away lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would prefer new schools be made concrete domes......super efficient, and strong.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and will last 500 years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Have you seen some of the schools in Houston, my friend?'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Many of them are falling apart, and don't follow building codes'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Some look like derelict buildings lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and in 5 years the new upgraded schools in those locations will look just the same as they do now....'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And 500million for 30 schools is a little over 16million, and considering how large houston schools are... not too bad'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'idiot kids.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not if they make them like they make modern schools.  Brick and steel instead of plaster and plywood'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They might look bad in 5 years, but they won't be dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have a school here in STL where all the interior walls are made of glass.  Don't really know how it turned out, but the thought process was that students would learn better if they could see each other.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'harris county sucks....moving back to montgomery county....:p'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not travis?'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Harris County is pretty bad'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And horrible to drive in'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if I had my way....all buildings in SE texas would be domes.....could call it Dome City....'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol if I had my way everyone would live in skyscrapers to maximize use of land'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get me in a skyscraper'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But this is america, dammit'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or Coon City (Resident Evil guys might have trademark on Racoon City)'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Exactly'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i'll happily let everyone else live in a skyscraper so i can live undisturbed on the land'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Coon is a racial slur, it wouldn't work'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we tried that in the US, tenements didnt work because the police never went there to keep the crime down.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have a lot of those in NYC'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's why we have robot supercops who eventually short out and take over the building and make us their slaaaaves'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Many parts of USA are adopting UN's agenda 21 policies which make for supposedly sustainable communities, but really means disposessing people of land so that corrupt government can profit from building tiny apartments in very large density to force people into'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'big buildings work in places like Tokyo, people love buying apartments.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Rizgoth, google maps japan that island is almost 100% urbanized'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tokyo is planning a skyscraper that can house 150,000 people, with gardens, businesses, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same thing been going on in the UK for decades, only crony capitalist building corps are given permission to build on green field land bought at agriculture rates, build high density housing, sell it in an articially inflated market, forces rents and purchase prices up'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tokyo can shove it up their arse'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and in Hong Hong.  Some people love the idea of apartments so much they've even bought some made from recycled dog kennels.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please be sending UK a nuke or two, we need to shed 2/3 of our population'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which is actually pretty smart, since there's a dog shortage there...'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dog is a good meat for ramen....'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so is cat.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Almost any meat is'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those all pale in comparison to monkey'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'People just get all sad when they find out they are eating "companion" animals'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA isn't overpopulated, but would benefit at a societal level by letting California and NYC fall into the see'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the law banning horse meat from being produced in the US expired......'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you ban that?'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was one of those stupid laws the getnoworkdone congress did a few years back.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would love to see California fall into the sea.  They are all moving here and ruining the Texan ideal'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the ban was instigated by the crazed PETA types who thought it was cruel to cull out the weak and retarded horses.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Congress is the opposite of Progress'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd heard that a lot, noegel'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel nods.
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that resulted in a glut of horses on the market, and lots of people just abandoned them when costs and time investments got too high.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given all the bullshit that has been pulled, you guys in Texas should charge higher taxes for registered democrat voters'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'democrats should have a symbol sewn onto all their clothes so everyone knew who to tar and feather, shoot, run out of town, or round up in concentration camps.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hear hear, lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a big sign with "traitor to the USA" on them would work'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hey, that's a good idea.  Could even create a whole bunch of shovel-ready jobs by having them dig their own dieholes.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shouldnt bury or cremate people....let em decompose in a building and use the gases produces to make stuff, and energy.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are basically throwing away a vast resource.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'New Hampshire is a good state.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, a 7 barrel shotgun.......46 caliber'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That sounds cool'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I want one now :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cooler than an old swedish lady trying to recycle a live hand grenade?'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'would that be 12ga?'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am unfamiliar with measuring shotguns in .cal'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just shy of 1/2 inch... that's bigger than a 12ga'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's probably similar to miniguns.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was created by the british navy 250 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, an illegal alien won the $336 million powerball.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'haha, turns out Obamacare's going to prevent a lot of people from getting health insurance.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'YOU DON'T SAY??'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oops caps'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel beams with pride at her latest invention: a keyboard with spring-loaded needles in the caps button.
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lies'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, the tax credit for it is based on the individual costs (what it takes to keep you healthy) but doesn't factor in the family costs (spouse and children).  This means that the "affordable" plans are no longer actually regarded as affordable.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should move to Germany....a years cost of healthcare is 1/3rd the cost of the same coverage in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you visit Germany or France, you are required to have health insurance, either from your home country, or you can buy health insurance at a pro rated cost in the country your visiting.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Our money has become worthless since the great deppression'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fine, give me all your money then.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I will hold it for you, and you can work for cans of beans instead.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I need it to buy gold. Which will never be worth zero.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My money still buys fun things, I'm cool with it'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm just glad cars in the US are cheap'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Compared to the EU'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'gold is far too high to invest in now, guaranteed to lose money.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy silver.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'silver's the same way.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silver is more useful, and the production is limited.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most silver production is a byproduct of other mining.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gold is more useful than silver, platinum is more useful than gold.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually no, silver is the most useful of the 3 precious metals.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and all three are highly-limited.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gold is useful for jewelry and coins.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually no, for wiring delicate systems, platinum is the best.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silver has over 6000 industrial uses now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ask NASA what metal they used to wire the shuttles.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all of the gold ever produced still exists, unlike silver....most silver is used in microscopic amounts in industry.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all the silver ever produced still exists'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'isn't gold used for contacts?'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, wait until they start mining the asteroids, people won't be able to give their gold away :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It just might be hard to find'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caelestis: 'silver is, actually, a better conductor. it has a resitivity of 16 orsomething, and gold is around 23.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, Redryn. Platinum, gold, silver in that order are best for contacts.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I assume you mean electric contacts :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anything short of a nuclear reaction doesn't alter the amount of element xxx'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not true, Caelestis.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'silver is used for the wires, gold (idk about plat) is used for contacts'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'silver is poor for electrical contacts'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because silver tarnishes'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'platinum, gold, silver in order of conductitivty.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so it's OK for wires, bad for contacts'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though copper is usually good enough :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'is there any jewels worth more than emeralds in the world?'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'huh, platinum is more conductive than silver?'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'diamonds, I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magish: 'Aren't diamonds actually more common, but also in much higher demand / popular, or something?'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'diamonds just have restricted supply'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'diamonds are harder to get out.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that too :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Silver is a very ductile, malleable (slightly harder than gold), monovalent coinage metal, with a brilliant white metallic luster that can take a high degree of polish. It has the highest electrical conductivity of all metals, even higher than copper'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they're not hard to put out, just that there's an artificial limit on supply'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'guards with guns make diamonds hard to get :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not to mention the cavity searches :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the problem is diamonds are expensive to mine'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you gotta go very deep now'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's what she said'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'During World War II in the US, 13,540 tons were used in the electromagnets used for enriching uranium.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I would go in so deep and hard pounding those diamonds out of the ground.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why?  You can make diamonds in like a month or less now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the diamond industry is a joke, even the gem ratings are a scam'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hanslanda -- only smallish ones'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like most of us can afford anything bigger!'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'a little tip for non-math, non-fine print types... the GIA rating of a diamond is based on the AVERAGE angles and depths of the cuts.  But the brilliance, which is all anybody cares about, depends on a very tight variance'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so if you want to be a serious purchaser, you have to buy a few with the ideal average angles/depths and then take a naked eye survey'
T3/r7/2013-03-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and return the others'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'some friends and I were reminscing about mudding and somehow it came up that they both didnt really read room descriptions on various muds, and that caught me off guard.  Who here doesn't read room descriptions?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most people don't'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not at all, unless I'm doing a task or goal'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'nobody reads room descs they are just spam'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'That's part of the charm of it all.  Then again I LOVED zork'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'part of your charm, mate'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it is dark. you are eaten by a grue.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'a couple people like to read room descs, a couple people like to socialize.  most keep to themselves and quest and level'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I remember having graphing paper out mapping '
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'use mushclient with Siri voice app and just tell it where you want to go'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'that sounds somewhat awesome'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm trying to program it, not sure when it will be done'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't.  We had this newfangled thing called the internet, we just drew pictures there because even back then we secretly thought it'd be cool if games had graphics in them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'all i know is some fortran'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Hey! I'm only old enough to be a hip young uncle'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, arctic terns are evil birds.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to everything, tern, tern, tern, there is a season'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Why so, young Rizgoth?  Impart your horrendous knowledge of Arctic Terns!!!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They are the most aggressive of the northern birds....they dive bomb you, and drop bird shit on you if you sit still.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when it comes to the arctic tern....I love shotguns.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I just avoid the arctic :P'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'arctic turns fly from the arctic to the antarctic every year.....44,000 miles a year.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I do flips and cartwheels 50,000 miles a year so'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more like you trip over your flip flops as you chase after illegals on the border. :P'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'This is true'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'How did you know!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Casey Anthony having another baby I don't know why I giggled'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Idom: 'i thought she was in prison'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I would knock her up, she is mega hot.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'She is it's a skit on comedy central oops'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I was confused'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In the last 4 years, the obama feds have spent $12 billion on high speed rail...and we still dont have high speed rail anywhere in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '12 billions is not gonna make a big difference.  Our country is simply massive'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That $12 billion was actually spent on expanding Amtrak.....had nothing to do with high speed rail, even though all the commercials and speeches say high speed rail.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slow speed rail :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Heck just the continental US is about as big as all of europe'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can't use trains, then the communists, I mean terrorists, win.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, Europe has a damn fine rail system.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can go from london to belgrade on the rail system.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet if they had an extra $3 billion a year, they would have built up more high speed rail.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yeah, but you can't convince most Americans to use mass transit at least out here.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Amtrak ridership on the slow speed rail is at record highs on the east and west coasts....THAT is where we need to build up high speed rail.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not from St louis to Dallas.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rode Amtrak once.  Horrible experience... but then again that was a "long distance"'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yet most of that $12 billion was spent in the middle america, except for Seattle to Portland, apparently they received $800 million to upgrade their lines.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most people won't take a long distance train ride in europe either. It's expensive, and slow.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not to mention the hazzle of trying to buy an international train ride. Good luck with that.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Europass must be cheap for americans only then.....2 weeks out, I could order a london to paris rail ticket for $32, 1st class seat.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's not very long distance, though.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about the same price as a houston to tulsa oklahoma bus ride.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But try e.g. a train ride from berlin to madrid, compared with a flight the same distance.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'eParis to Londonn is 280 miles... not far at all'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'By highway'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a british kid started a company at age 15, and now at 17, sold it to yahoo for $2.8 million.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Good for him'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he also now works for yahoo UK, to create more apps.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Definitely not set for life, but good college fund'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'i heard on NPR it was 30 mil'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who can tell, I dont know who to trust on these stupid ereports.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I miss the age when reporters lied to us on print.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps they meant 28 million, and not 2.8m, shrug'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, your own first class suite on all nippon airlines from tokyo to london, $27,000'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not bad if you money is of no issue,  Don't have to share a cabin with the less fortunate lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the same flight, but business class is $9,000'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Must be a nice flight.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sometimes, you just have to splurge and do nice things for yourself.  It's healthy (as long as you don't spend all your money)'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of those brand new 787 dreamliners.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Niiice'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nice thing though...everything is included...no nickel and diming you for the business class seats'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no extra fuel charges, airport fees, food, booze, entertainment, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But the most important part... do they have SkyMall??'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all airlines I have been on have skymall magazine.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or a digital version.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the show takes place 15 years AFTER the power turned off.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I miss Rabshakeh and his rants.  This channel is too quiet now'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm sure you got something Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Dang'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ever watch The Client List ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I have not'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How about Revolution ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nope, I think you told me about it earlier'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What on earth have you done in the last couple hours ?!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Watching cable kind of and cleaning, polishing my boots, ironing'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I hate that we have to polish our boots if they are just going to get messed up in the brush the next day'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'use armorall'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I use KIWI parade gloss, a heat gun, then cottonball and warm water'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'One coat a day keeps it mirror'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who wants to invest in my seaweed farm ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Tell me your business strategy'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grow seaweed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And what makes your seaweed business more profitable than the other seaweed producers in the industry?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because it will float around the ocean between Hawaii and California, robots will manage it, with 2 people on location.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And who will maintain the robots?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 2 people on location.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And clean and cook and do everything else?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What if there is a medical emergency?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'In this case, since I am the government, I will invest only $45 billion in your business.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The same way floating oil wells offshore do it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They have more than two people.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And a doctor'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of the 2 will be a medic.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'so isn't brazil's prime minister jewish, doesn't jew rabbi marx invent maoism which khmer rouge'd the vietnam war, doesn't jewish ceo's discuss google apparatus with north korea yodok communism, doesn't a jew run the american federal reserve, and isn't maoism china and jewish brazil making some currency deals, with a alleged remark by soros that he hates america, which is on life support, after unifying hungary'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Though, you could hire an Ethiopian doctor'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'RABS back!!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or a cuban.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'those amazing minorities, always disassociated from every world war in the last 200 years'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You don't need to feed the Ethiopian'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Only seeweed'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and cubans like floating around on boats :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'look no further than ezra 9:9, and the verses in my description to the unknown statue that saint peter named for greece'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rabshakeh, do you have dreams while you sleep, wake up and have to post them on debate on Aardwolf in the middle of the night?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'dreams and reality are interesting subjects, or am i the subject of both'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'between the time the Soviets left Afghanistan and The US invaded Iraq in 1990. Cuban soldiers where the only ones in the world with actual combat experience.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Subject of both, more than likely'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Seaweed is a growing business.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seaweed extract and chemicals are added to lots of things.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You should figure out how to genetically alter crops to live off of seawater so we can have hydroponic farms in the ocean'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'protein from seaweed will fortify lots of foods in time.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You dont need to make them use saltwater, you can convert saltwater into fresh on the ocean itself.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Meanwhile, I will genetically alter golden retrievers to carry humans super fast across the country for ultimate green transportation.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But I want my own floating farm :/'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a bigmac with seaweed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Big macs look sooo nasty'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not even remotely like the pics'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Big mac advertisements are a bigger joke than our current governmenty'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'they don't even run a shipping company that doesn't mistranslate uzbek to russian smuggling'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seaweed in your ice cream'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'at least they're not shipping murder victim's flesh and bones to florida for transplants'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seaweed in soups'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's because they are shipping them to me for my golden retriever experiments!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'oh well, says there that the altar of jehovah is located on top of the altar of baal, so an older god might just burn up all of their plans one day'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Dangit, Rabshakeh, Baal is already dead as of Diablo II, I don't know how many times I need to tell you that'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He tried coming back once, and it didn't work out.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rabshakeh, if you got to meet Obama, what would you say?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'nothing'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'maybe hello'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Man that was a lot less interesting than I hoped.  But your honesty is awesome'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'make sure you do a cavity search first...'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ewwww'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: '2 are located in russia, i had a geometric map of the others'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Whaaaat are you talking about rabshakeh I wish I had cavities that were transcontinental'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'like that woman with the cocaine in her tits on the news a few months ago?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'older god? that's an interesting notion :) It implies that gods are born :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seaweed is going to be a billion dollar business in the future....'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I find cocaine on girls breasts all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bill gates is investing in it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'homage to the unknown , to homage to the known'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They just assume it's going to be a male agent, and when they see me, their faces drop so hard lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rabshakeh: 'says in the book of genesis that marriage is nothing but a human tradition as well, so what's the difference who's altar you're on'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's the fly in the ointment, so to speak. Either the Virgin Mary wasn't a virgin or Jesus was female.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'Jesse Christ.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Jessica L('
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jehova means donkey in the language of donkey.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Where did you learn donkey'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'from a donkey.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth is acting like a donkey in the room.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel  leaps upon her Golden Retriever, and attacks the donkeys of the land!  Huzzah!
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth reins his wardonkey next to a dog and salutes him with his lance.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rizgoth, be one of my hivelings, and together, we will dominate the seaweed industry!  And then... the world!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Fine'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The chinese gave me the money. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We are going to rule the world with seaweed together.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I offered to join you :'('
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And you ignored me.  It's because I'm a woman!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And multi-racial'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And awesome'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and Californian!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But I'm not californian'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I live in Texas.... raised, not born'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'one of those 'gun states''
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yessir'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The state where it is now legal to hunt with suppressors lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas will own all the seaweed!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'Republic of Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rainer Daybreak laffs.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol while Texas could support itself as a country, I just have a feeling the United States wouldn't have any of that.  American military would make sure of that'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then I would have to move to Oklahoma or Louisiana for my job ew'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nah, you would work for the Republic of Texas!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'We all know Texas HAS the legal right to....but it's never going to happen. Too much military.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol, no I'm employed by the U.S. Government, not Texas'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel nods at Rainer Daybreak.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has its own military.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The Mexican cartels would just move right in without Customs and Border Patrol on the border'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'We do?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'Are you comparing a militia or guard to the US military?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nod, look it up.....Texas is the only state in the union with its own military.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'Is it a minuteman thing?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Um, I live in Texas'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it goes back to when Texas, was called the Republic of Texas and its own country.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'There's no military'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Texas Rangers is an offshoot of the Texas Military.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The Texas Rangers aren't as badass as you think.  They were scared to jump onto trains when we were training them on train inspections'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is because they were smart emough to let the feds get themselves killed first.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And hillbillies with guns might have been an effective fighting force before WW1, but now the US military has these things called bombers and jets and tanks'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'And light-bending suits.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol it's not very dangerous to jump on a train if you are trained properly.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rainer Daybreak points at the Invisible Soldier video on youtube.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My first apprehension was on a moving train.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Remember the Alamo!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rainer Daybreak goes, "Omfg".
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Some badass mofos at the alamo.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'This Ferien would like to point out those new remote control drone fighters.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only reason The Republic of Texas joined the US was because the US promised to pay off our war debts, and because mexico was about to invade Texas, and we would have been slaughtered. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Shhh Ferien, we all know the government doesn't use those *rolls eyes*'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'not in mass production, this Ferien does not thing, but they exist. And this Ferien thinks they are bad ass.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'Are there other, 'feriens'?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel opens his cage of captured Feriens and Golden  Retrievers.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol her cage lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol her cage lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am now a man'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I knew it!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'that is a debatable question, but this Ferien is unique among any other possible Feriens.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'manmanmanmanman!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Maybe it is too late to go running lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'How about 'El Ferien'?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'El Ferien del loco'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'this Ferien is not at all spanish, good people.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Most of the southern states will join Texas, to form the United Republics of Texas......:p'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Das Ferien'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'I live in KY. Cold day, buddy.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'We don't need other states!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'nor is this Ferien german.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I ain't your buddy, pal'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel winks at Ferien.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as will north dakota, montana, wyoming, and the rest of the oil and gasproducing states......*peer*'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yay, it's about damn time'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'We've got so much oil, it's ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'At least, enough to last a few days'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more than a few days, since we wont have all those liberals around!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel cheers and sings... she is just BURSTING with joy!
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rainer Daybreak pets Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But all those Californians are moving here, Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'So simple :('
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I had one tell me my car was breaking noise laws and he could report me for it'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'So I punched him in his nuts (in my mind)'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stick an ice pick in his tire.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nah, I just dirtied the environment with an audible launch'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm so immature :/'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We have chuck norris...that is all we need.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'I do love a good Chuck joke.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Chuck Norris is too old, imho'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'this Ferien would have just told that californian to go ahead and try, and this Ferien would laugh at the failure.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol well, my agency is well-liked by the local police and sheriff'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chuck is 5 feet 4 inches tall.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Since they are so few, we help them with a lot of the more serious crimes'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rizgoth is 4'11"'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'couldnt pay me enough to live on the border with mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'How old are you guys?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'There's a lot of pay incentives on top of base salary, so I'm not complaining'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '24'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'This Ferien is a quarter of a century old.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: '28.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rizgoth is 12'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '67'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow really'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I was gonna say... coolest grandpa ever'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more like coolest dad.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If I lived in Mexico I would be coolest mom'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'This Ferien wishes he had had a cool dad.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I can be your coolest mom and dad Ferien'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'heee!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel ruffles Ferien's hair playfully.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'and....? uh oh.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel tosses a football to Ferien!
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel bakes some brownies for Ferien.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'transvestite ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sorry, Ferien.  This is way too much work.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'Downstairs mix-up?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rainer Daybreak: 'Ol Greg...is that you?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm an amoeba'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ferien throws the ball back, and eats the brownies, and lets out a contented sigh
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I reproduce asexually'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I party in people's intestines when they drink standing water or eat Wendy's chili.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wendys makes good chili.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wins the chili contest in NYC !'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I know, it's fantastic.  But I had a bad bowl once...'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rainer Daybreak misses the 'v' and wabes.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Are you serious?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NYC chili is so bad, anything would win !'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had a 'bad bowl' once... but it wasn't chili'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'CBP has a big chili cookoff down here with a bunch of local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies for charity.  It makes Wendy's chili taste like poop'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's awesome, because I get paid to attend in dress uniform lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Waste of government money, I know, but think of the children'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You should try my grandpa's weed chili....mmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They should definitely legalize marijuana.  It would really put a hurt on the cartels source of income.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they dont make money from hard drugs, it is mainly marijuana now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'much money that is'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yup'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska is going to allow up to 1 oz of weed for personal use again...now that washington and colorado passed their laws.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'This Ferien prefers to have a clear mind. No fuzziness or hallucinations for THIS Ferien.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't do drugs myself, Ferien.  I'm a good mom and dad'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel ruffles Ferien's hair playfully.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'weed is not a drug.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a weed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Weed alters your bodys function.  It is a drug, just like alcohol.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aspirin comes from tree bark.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And aspirin is a drug.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mushrooms'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'Poison Oak is a weed, but you won't catch THIS Ferien smoking it!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'xmas berries.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A substance that has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.  Definition'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'smoking anything is bad for you.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you need to eat weed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Smoking golden retrievers is also bad'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wait, what'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Smoking ham...'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Smoking bleach'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Mmmm-mm.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a berry in Alaska, it is called a watermelon berry.....it looks like a tiny little watermelon.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it affects you like lsd.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and not illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Will be soon then'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Just like that artificial weed they had for a while'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, been around for 8000 years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Just wait until some kid dies using it.  Someone always messed it up for everybody'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have only ever seen the plant growing in Alaska....never anywhere else.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I grow them in my secret lab'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Which happens to be under your seaweed boat.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my seaweed boat is 5 acres in size.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel has been accepted into the Evil League of Evil!
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's one big boat.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, we live in pontoons, like in Waterworld.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of the pontoons is a secret mini watermelon berry patch.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Can I live there?  I can keep all of the Cubans off your boat.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I installed that pontoon...'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doing to flood the west coast with dried mini watermelon berries.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'This Ferien barely remembers Waterworld. Interesting movie.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone in cali will be so high from the watermelon berries, they wont want to move to Texas....'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we win.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Maybe while they are high, we can detonate bombs in the San Andreas fault, sending them off into the sea, never again to be part of the contiguous U.S. again!!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only after we use the watermelon berry profits to buy up the desert land, so that it becomes beach front when the western part of the state falls into the ocean.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like the way you think.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'We're gonna be rich!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and new cities called Los Donkies, and San Donkies, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I want one named Eternal Pink Cheeze'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the governors mansion will be called Casa Del Donkie'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A place where everyone can have at least an acre of land with dirt barriers so they can shoot all the guns they want'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'better that everyone have 100-500 square miles so they can shot WITHOUT the dirt barriers'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Even better'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I need to get a beater truck.  My car doesn't have room for my rifle lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh dear I'm gonna turn into a hick'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh well'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have 20 acres which includes a valley full of trees, so I'm covered'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'When I retire, I'm definitely moving out to the country.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my pot farm is surrounded by an 8 foot concrete wall.....and no neighbors.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Better watch out for the drooooones'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, it is all indoors.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel begins to play eerie government music.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Droooones... with xrays!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what's to keep the electric company from ratting you out'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Cancer from the skies!  No one is safe!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'generators'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'otherwise it wouldnt have taken the US army 12 years to find osama bin laden.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why would the power company rat anyone out?  They want you to use electricity.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont steal it, I pay for it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And the meter readers could care less'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, it is a digital meter that uses wifi.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel giggles.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'also, nowadays you can get state of the art LED grow lights, they last forever, and produce very little waste heat.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't want to go running argh'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you'll get fatter if you don't'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'running is bad for your knees.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are not africans running from lions anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and being fat isn't so bad these days.. modern medicine and all'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, you can ride a bike'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or go swimming'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol well I have to run through brush for a living so, I think I need to stay in shape'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'There are old guys are work who have fine knees.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my doctor tells me I need to be in shape.... I tell him "round" IS a shape'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And besides, everything on this cursed planet is bad for you.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel laughs at Vonliege mercilessly.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially bullets from mexican bandits.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the more fat you have, the better the chance that a bullet won't hit anything vital.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Are you a mexican bandito Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not if it's an AK47 round that the cartels use.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, I shoot them when they come on our land.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You're a good american Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel shakes Rizgoth's hand.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont be saying that....I will shoot american evil doers who come on my land also.....:p'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wonder if pot growers will be elidgable for 'farm subsidies' when it becomes legal in more states.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Texas it is legal to shoot evil doers who trespass.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''make my day''
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't mind if you shoot evil doers'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just be sure to drag the carcass onto your land'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a few weeks ago someone blew away two home invaders......woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'score one for homeowners!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Good.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I had a couple of hooligans break into my house once.  I racked a shell in my remington, and the sound of the shottie scared them off.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want one of those 7 barrel shotguns the brits made.......'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have that sound on my iphone for that very purpose'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '7 barrel shotgun lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'real fun to play it in a crowded movie theater'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, 7 .46 caliber shotgun barrels :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the gun shoots them all at the same time....the british navy used them during ship to ship battles 250 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Recoil?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'two guys would sit in the crows nest, and when the british ship was about to board the enemy ship...the guys in the crows nest would fire the 7 barrel shotguns onto the deck and kill 14 enemies at one time'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just when the brits would rush the ship'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The gun was invented by James Wilson in 1779 and manufactured by Henry Nock for use through the Napoleonic Wars.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I slept with Napolean in my previous life'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want one.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I WAS napolean... don't expect any palimony'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Damn'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You were mediocre anyway, I just liked your sweet outfit'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you were kinda loose, if I recall... but then, I had SO many women during that life'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he was 3 feet tall.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'his sword was taller then he was.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He was 5'7"'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lowest historical reports were 5'5"'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But sexxxy'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Man I'm tired'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'This Ferien is tired as well.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Let me tuck you in, son'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'heee'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel tucks Ferien in with a kiss on the cheek.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ferien sighs contentedly, curls up into a ball, and falls asleep.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Aww'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to be on the island in the show Lost.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yeah!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'All right, I'm going to go run for an hour and destroy my knees and my American spirit'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Thanks for keeping the night interesting with weed and seaweed boats and donkey villages'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and chase illegal aliens'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ferien shifts in his sleep, his hand making a waving motion as he smiles.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol I hope not it's my vacation'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel pets Ferien.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'AFK activate!!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '50 inmates on hungerstrike in Guantenemo, no obvious mention of it on western news that I can see'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'earthworms are now being blamed for global warming'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, how?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can't be farting that much...'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2013/feb/05/how-worms-accelerating-climate-change?CMP=twt_gu'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the current higher-than-historically-normal percentage of Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere was caused by man and not nature'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'earthworms!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scientists said so, therefore it must be true'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are aprox 1.4 billion cows on the planet right now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better kill them all for the earth'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and only about 20 million donkies :('
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the cows are China, and the donkies are the british.....:p'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ok, perhaps the canadians.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disrespecting british donkies now?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'poor british donkies :('
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dispicable'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would you feel if the government came along and swiped 40-100% of your bank deposit?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they already are.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Since my deposits are in Texas banks, it wouldnt matter.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the 1.4 billion cows are a result of human farming -- the number of cars trucks and motor vehicles etecetera used by humans likely produces more carbon emissions than cows'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why wouldn't it matter, riz?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we started the whole too-big-to-fail craze.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because in Texas, we also have our own backup system.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'what does texas banks matter?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We would leave the union, and restore Texas citizens bank accts based on the new Texas Dollar.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CONFISCATED the money, not just shut the computers down'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't, you're too busy a state to do that'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has backup plans for that thing.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you've got police chiefs going to DC like pussies with tails between their legs going along with all of the gun controls'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Continuity of Texas Banking is what it is caled.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which countries so far did that "confiscation": Yugoslavia (100% - the money disappeared), ...'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA, Hungary, Germany, Cyprus, Russia'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably more, those are the ones i know of'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so because the rich don't want to pay taxes, some governments are going to be confiscating bank deposits ?!?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'isn't italy on that list, too?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to do with the rich not paying tax, it's globalist bankers deliberately fucking up the banking system in order to capture even more wealth from the general public'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the banks aren't being bailed out because the government didn't receive tax'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, poor people in the US do not even pay income tax.....because of that earned income tax credit....need to do away with that!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'protect the 1% !'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'define poor people, Riz.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 1% don't need your help'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone under $100k per year. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ok, $50k....'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of people under $50k per year pay a whole lot of income taxes.  At least half of those are considered poor.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bad accountants then....when I was making less then 50k, I never paid tax.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are thousands of deductions and tax credits out there if you actually look and not let HR block do your damn taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you were scamming the system, then.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do away with all deductions and credits'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then reset the rates accordingly'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all perfectly legal.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those idiots at tax prepare services have about 2 weeks of training.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, they are in the tax loan business, not the tax return prepare business.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's establish a fact of life in America... All men are created equal, correct?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was the intent, but it hasn't worked out like th at'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as pertains to america... '
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it never happened, except on day 1'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'says so in the constitution... can we agree on that?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Day 1 of the Constitution maintained the concept that black people were property.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, Texas oil production has increased by 35% in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '3/4 of a person I believe.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where does the constitution say taht?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was common law of the day... but true all the same'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They used whiteout to remove it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it doesn't, but it wasn't until 120 or so years later that it was challenged.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'alterenate interpretation: Texans are squandering their oil reserves by an extra 35% in 2012'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no no no, don't go saying something is in the constitution when it isn't, then claim it's common law'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I didn't say it was written in the Constitution, you should pay better attention.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'different people talking.. I said "all men are created equal"...'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas doesnt need to squander it, we have more oil then God does.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you said it maintained the concept. it did not'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'north dakota oil production was up 150% in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. for the sake of debate... can we agree that in america today, all men are considered equal?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, we cannot'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'black people aren't men.  The founding fathers were astute enough to realize they dared not try pushing on this point, so they "backdoored" the means to change the documentation through amendments.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how can we have a proper debate if we can't even agree on the most basic point that "all men are created equal"?  I didn't say TREATED equally, or that they were all equally SMART... '
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you didn't say created equal...you said considered equal'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'assume then that you said that "it was wished that in america that all men were created equal"'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Constitution also doesn't say anything about the separation of Church and State.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda speaks "USAmerican", where the speaker reserves the right er wrongness to deny meaning what the words used by the speaker (actually) said'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. I retract EVERYTHING typed prior... can we agree that in america, "all men are SUPPOSED to be created equal?"'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes :-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it does say I can have a tank in my front yard.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no.  Racism.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. so based on the premis that all men are created equal, we should each pay an equal amount of tax... say $10,000, or what ever is needed'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a big tank no less.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'women are exempt from tax?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this isn't a debate channel... it's a bitching channel'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but not an invisible one.  Conceal and carry permits probably aren't intended to cover tanks'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'booo :('
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an invisible tank would rock.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so...you're going to tax someone who made $10k last year at 100% but the guy who pulled in $100k will only take a 10% hit?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what happened to your all men created equal stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and by extrapolation of the Vonliege troll: "ensure that all men are paid the same wage salary bonuses and benefits so they may pay that same tax"'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, vonliege, men should be based upon the work that they do'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just raise the standard deduction to $15,000 per person, and you fix a lot of the problems, and get rid of all the other deductions.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't see how I was trolling.. I was trying to debate.  whatever'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and don't listen to rizgoth when it comes to tax policy ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is because I am 100% correct.....*peers*'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's the same tactic when arguing in person... as soon as you can say "you need to calm down", you win the argument by default.  apparently, as soon as you can call someone here a troll, you win by default.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the troll is obviously trolling, the troll does not win'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were me, as i said, scrap all credits and deductions, then just band your income tax sensibly, but take some from everyone'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd probably go 10% from $0 - $50k, 20% from $50-$250k, and 30% for $250k+'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ans then pay the poor an income supplement'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so they will remain poor?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least they won't starve'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who will remain poor?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the poor are not given an income supplement, the poor stay poorer and starve'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nobody will starve in a country where you can spend your food stamps at KFC'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's mostly nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'KFC is a rippoff -- KFC food is too expensive'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'go down to any fast food place... they almost ALL take EBT cards'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy the $1 menu stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor people starving is not caused be, nor will be solved by the tax system'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you usually get enough in food stamps that it doesn't matter how expensive stuff is'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'pink slime? I'd buy that for a dollar!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually not really, not anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least not in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you get crap for cash but lots of food stamps'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pink slime.. .blah!!! that's a whole debate in itself!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'GMO pink slime ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Texas you are limited to 3 months of food stamps without a job....and 2 years in your lifetime with a job.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's wrong with mystery meat?  You ate it all through school...'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'likely... but I didn't KNOW about it.  there's that whole phycology thing'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'IT'S GOOD FOR YOU!!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly... but so is algee'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some algae, not all algae'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algae patties are good.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but a ribeye steak grown in a lab is better.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prefer real meat from organic animals'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's even better from a printer, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lab meat is currently $20,000 a lb, so dont hold your breath looking for it in your neighborhood store anytime soon.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't need an organic animal to make a steak.  Just grow the cells in a dish.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is lab meat.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'eventually, everyone will have a ron popeill biomeat machine.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a picasso painting selling for $155 million....should burn them all.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't.  It's got lead paint.  Bad for the environment.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'make your own, sell it for $155 million in 100 years'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, there is a zinc shortage in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kinda why lithium-ion was born'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the largest zinc mine in the US is in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the world's also suffering from a silicon "shortage"'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'famous paintings permit some of the wealth to be redistributed among the rich'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'turns out the silicon molecule is just too big for our purposes now'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'replicate it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'build a machine to replicate things.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'silicon is a common element -- glass is a silicon compound'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't do us any good if we can't build anything with it'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'silicon pure enough for electronics is another aff'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'replicators would destroy the precious metals and gems industries.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they were actually worried we'd lose the internet because evolution of parts manufacture changed too much go go back to larger crap.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when they come to their physical senses and realise that digital music is crap, they may return to analog music, unless you believe that one short song per dvd is likely to be popular -- and as for a full album, maybe a stack of dvds'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'digial video is able to look good though, but some of those digital screens are painful to watch - artificial and disconcerting -- the braindead likely don't mind -- what is braindead is clueless'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'digital music is fine, the human ear isnt that sensitive.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how anybody is able to pay to see a movie umpteen times is ... '
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's like paying for a concert'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'after seeing a movie twice, the flaws in the movie become more obvious, and further immediate viewing may become painful - flawless movies are rare'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some humans in the 99th percenile are wih extroardinary ears -- 8 billion divided by 100 is: 80 million humans able to disagree with the lie that "the human ear isnt that sensitive"'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'percentile, with'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): GraySong Gregor is going percenile.
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those audiophiles that used to pay 80$ for an imported audiophile vinyl record nornmally going for 10$ are likely in "digital hell" when listening to the digital crap that goes for music these days'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'digital music sounds good to me, not scratchy like vinyl.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'are you talking about music in general or bitrate of digital music on CD?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'CD music is bad, but mp3 music is extremely "painful" mentally'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the macarena!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Gregor, you talk as though you were born after digital music replaced analog music'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Zade, just trying to establish what you are talking about'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'are you talking about the quality of mp3s or the style of music, I have no clue.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'difficult to explain color to somebody that is color-blind'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'difficult to explain sight to somebody that is blind since birth'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Ok, you like the crackly sound of vinyl. Great.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'difficult to explain analog music to somebody that is only heard digital music since birth'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer 8-track......'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I get why you can't explain it now. You basically have sentimental attachment to anlog music but nothing to base that sentiment on.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I guess you are saying you are one of the select few with "special" ears. I think most of us already know you are special Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade retorts: Gregor likes the "tinny bitrate of digital music with the (missing and) intermittent background detail"
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I understand Zade, but theoretically it should be possible to increase the birate to a level where even your ears cannot distinguish between digital and analog.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a big difference between live music and recorded music ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'if your argument is that the bitrate on an average cd is too low for you personally, maybe you have a valid point.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'but I don't think that has to be an inherent property of digital music.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a digital bit rate of 1 million per second may or may not approach that of decent analog - unsure'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as said above: "a short song per dvd"'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'theoretically it would never approach analog. We only need it to reproach analog with respect to the human ear. It shouldn't need to be anywhere near that high.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I'm not convinced it's low bitrate that necessarily causes the tinny sound to which you refer either. It could simply be bad manipulation of frequencies. Maybe your eyes can discern higher frequencies than most.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'a frequency that is omitted entirely in most vinyl recordings'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it might not be anything at all to do with the fact that a recording is specifically analog as opposed to digital'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Gregor, some of your assumptions are grossly wrong as to what the human ears are able to discern from a room full of sounds'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I do not see how so Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'but I do know increased volume in the upper frequencies can give music a tinny sound.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a room of many many sounds, a human is able to filter out extraneous sounds, to focus on and follow a particular sound in the background across the room'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'don't dispute that at all, what's your point?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'this ability is faily common among humans'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dvd sound still sounds great.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(say) ten humans, each focussing on a separate sound on the opposite side of the same room, are each able follow the sound thay are focussing upon -- record the whole room onto a stereo analog and onto a stereo digital (CD bit rate)'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'play back the analog tape, and each of the ten humans shall be able to focus upom and discern the sound that they were previously listening to in full detail'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'play back the digital recording, and each of the humans shall likely report that the sound they were focussing upon is intermittent and missing detail'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conclusion: digital is unable to do the job that analog does (recording and replaying detail)'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'with a low quality bitrate, mayhaps. Do you have any empirical evidence to support your assumptions when involving a high digital bitrate?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'also across a range of frequencies?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whether a bit rate of 1 million per second is able to do the job, maybe, maybe not -- what if thewre were twenty separate distinct sounds in that room - digital likely can't do the job even at 1 million samples per second'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another query is: what is the actual bit rate of high quality analog recorded music'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely extremely high, unsure how high'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'uhm, why not infinite?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the number of magnetic atoms passed over per second by an analog recording head onto a clean magnetic tape is finite'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'hehe ok, so isn't true analog a myth? ^^'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so while the effective "bit rate" may be high, not infinite'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'until 1985, analog music was not a myth'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'it was analog in name, sure'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'analog was and is analog -- and iw far suprior to current digital'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'analog was and is analog -- and analog is yet far superior to current digital'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'but if "analog" is essentially limited by number of atoms passed over per second...isn't it essentially digital when you break it down'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but whether decent analog equipment is yet being manufactured ...'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'i.e the signal is not continuous in truth, if there is a finite number of atoms. It is in essence still a series of 1's and 0's.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pragmatic analog is not pragmatic digital  (and you Gregor are trolling)'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'not trolling as it happens'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'anyway, gtg, nice talking'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"practical" analog music is superior to current digital music'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'current yes, and the bitrate on standard cds is too low. Agreed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'agoin the query: "what is the *actual-bit-rate* of high quality analog recorded music"'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'agoin the query: "what is the *actual-bit-rate* of high quality analog recorded music"n'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'answer that, and that "bit rate" is when digital shall reach analog (and maybe without the background noise)'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw, (some) digital manufacturers know that digital music is an inferior sound to analog music (but they want you "marks" to pay for the digital technology required to reach the detail of analog) '
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whether that is possible depends on what the *effective* bit rate of decent analog is  (and by 1985, analog tecnnology was *extremely* highly developed at the commercial recording end, and even as sold to consumers)'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ballpark, 10 million samples per second shall likely do a decent digital job -- 7 seconds of music per CD'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whats going on with the defence of marriage act?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish governments would fuck off and stop trying to define or legislate marriage'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, marriage is for donkies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any government legislation that references couples should refer to "life partner" instead'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'marriage is the human concept of the official recognition of the union between two humans of the opposite gender'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to those that are religious, marriage is a holy union between two humans of the opposite gender'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'Unfortunately, even though I'm gay, I have to agree with Zade. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Civil unions, however, should be implemented with the same secular rights for gay people'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the evolutionary enhanced psychic link between a male and a female joined in a sexual marriage relationsip is far stronger than the psychic link between two of the same gender'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dafuq are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not disputing either of those opinions, which is why i think government should stay out of it'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'xchan, that information is classified '
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, Alaska produced 1 million ounces of gold in 2012....a feat that hadnt happened since 1899 and 1906.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's gold in them thar floes!'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '5% of people consume 49% of the healthcare resources'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'so if we take out this 5% of ppl we should be good to go then?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we'd be in a better position, yes.  "Good to go" is probably too strong a phrase yet.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'well we are talking about 'offing' people so i think 'good to go' is ok'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'who is poorer cypurs or haiti'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'its relative'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'haiti.  They're the only culture that naturally lives without money.  Cypriots are allowed to make money first before the government takes it all.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'there are quite a few tribes in central and souther africa that don't use money'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'did LL Cool J get elected president of haiti?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'biff do they use women's bodies as currency?'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'id have to go with Haiti... been to both, and Haiti has zero quality of life.  '
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I hope not, NCIS: Las Vegas still needs him to look tough and menacing.'
T3/r7/2013-03-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that'd fit with haiti... a wimp woldn't sit the throne long'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'so do you guys normaly chill and wait for something to pop up on this channel?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pretty much'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'say something profound or 'debatable', and opinions will come out of the woodwork'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for example... "Ford is WAY better than Chevy"... or "McDonald's frenchfries are the BEST in the industry".. if that fails, "my dad can beat up your dad" might get a response or two'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Which is better Linux or OpenBSD?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'lol , i see.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who would run anything but Windows®.... duh!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see how I just 'Trolled' there?  you should avoid doing that'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Someone who needs to get work done?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'speaking of windows....'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'BSD rhymes with STD'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'and LSD'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Feds made a HUGE marijuana bust the other day....they stopped a driver with 30 HUGE grams of weed in the glove box.....They called it a major victory in the war on drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'People who like Obama are dumb.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So are people that spend all their time hating him and supporting people like Mitt Romney for president. They are dumb too.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Damn, then I am a hiveling, oh wait I'm the hive queen therefore exempt'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's somewhere on page 4,023 in the Clean Air Act... I convinced a politician to stick that clause in there'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rand Paul is leading the charge again, this time rallying against the UN small arms treaty which, if ratified by the senate, would require registration of all semi-automatic weaponary as an initiator to full confiscation'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gets the blood pumping, huh?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it help someone is fighting for it, but he's a minority'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teh GOP have been working 24/7 to try and prevent real conservatives getting any kind of power in the party'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know about all that... but the current crop of GOP sure as hell isn't exactly successful'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'healthcare premiums should have the difference refunded if the total cost of your coverage uses (prescriptions, checkups, etc) is less than your total premiums paid.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't agree with current plans for healthcare, but in order for any insurance to work, your premiums have to go towards paying for the care of those who get sick.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If they did, they'd be unable to pay the huge costs that some people pay'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's very few proper conservatives in the GOP is why, vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I know car insurance companies don't usually profit off of premiums.  They profit on their investments'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the GOP aren't conservative, just like Obama isn't really a democrat'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's like saying "I should have to buy car inssurance unless I wreck my car"'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think they spend 1.01 on every dollar they receive in premiums'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what on earth would be the reason for it? you pay a little because you're reducing risk.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'however, unlike cars, it would be darn tough to self-insure for medical'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You could always not pay for health insurance... but you run the risk of getting in a bad accident and have a 500,000 bill stuck in your mailbox'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what I fundamentally disagree with is the 'oh, you have insurance? your price is 400. Oh, you don't? Well, we only negotiate with large companies so your price is 1800.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a $500,000 bill that nobody would EVER make you pay... you'd get a bail-out of some kind... this is a zero-consequence society'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'True, but I guess I have morals and would pay it'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Something this country doesn't have much these days.  And I'm young lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder if we'll ever see vanishing-deductible in healthcare?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so few like that, Noegel... so few'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You will never see vanishing deductible healthcare.  Your body only gets worse and more... well dead'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthcare premiums up 30-100% thanks to obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your morals? how many years of poverty-level living would it take for you to genuinely come up with 500k? :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't get into accidents often, but when I do...HAHA, suckers, you have to pay for it all!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A while, I suppose but I have some pretty good insurance'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if your so hard up that you will never make $500K, and you owe it because you 'took the risk' of not havingin insurence, then you should never get a car again...  ever.  you can move into a government work program where they come and pick you up'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the problem is that people DON'T have inssurance (car or health) because the know there is no consequence... they will always get medical car, and no one will ever take away their car'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here they won't, you don't have car insurance, you get banned from the road and your car crushed'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'car = care.... except where it means car'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'New Car Insurance is fantastic though, I will give you that!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Tigernuts.. is that germany?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Tigernuts is an uptight, starch-suited Briton.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well thanks the queen for standards!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Tigernuts!!!  Tinada cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My father is british and he has a silly accent'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then again my mom is Mexican and Japanese and has an equally strange accent'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'll be quiet now'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so no, it was UK'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't know much about the UK... what happens there if you get a DWI/DUI?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you ever drive again?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our laws are more controlling and draconian than the US, but tend to be more consistently and reasonably applied'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they give you a free pass to live with the queen for a week.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DUI will normally cause you to be banned from driving for 12-24 months and a sizeable fine, and could force you to retake your test, either way, insurance will rocket for you'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'right... as long as your not drunk on Jamason!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm all-euro--a little bit English (relation to all US presidents named Adams), a little bit Norway (the dread pirate Lofgren, but details are sketchy at best far as we've found), a little bit Irish, and 3/4ths Austrian-germanic.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can't americans just be american?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a bar and grill in Atlanta Georgia that requires an appointment to purchase its best in America burger.....The waiting list is 6 weeks long.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lacks immigration policies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't go around saying i'm 4% french, 8% danish, 14% aardvark, it's bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by the time you get back half a dozen generations your genes will be so convoluted that it doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they make all their own ingredients....it is all fresh.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I only went down to great-grandparents, so 4 generations at best.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to you guys, our government is instituting "secret courts"'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereby the evidence is seen by only the judge and government appointed attornies'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'my entire mom's side of the family is as close to incest as you can get without being illegal.  Her mom's parents and her dad's parents lived within blocks of each other in the same sleepy little village in Austria they emigrated from.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'must be because of out telivision-happy court drama fetish'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? because of your fucked up corrupt intelligence service who won't allow intelligence they got through torture and other illegal means to be disclosed in trials, so up until now, instead of protesting innocent, government has been having to settle out of court costing millions of $$'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a $100 cheesesteak.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is that millions of $... or £?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'excuse me, did you say cheesesteak or cheesecake?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cheese STEAK'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the restaurant sells 2200 of them each year.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what part of the cow do they inject the cheese hormones?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'top end beef, truffels, a special cheese, and lobster, fresh bread, etc....'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pfft!  that's not cheesesteak, that's a fancy surf n' turf.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, lobster baked potato.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you know that in America there's a teacher getting disability because of her fear of kids?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well she's not allowed to discipline them anymore'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all teachers should go on strike.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for a week...see what happens.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or that we gave out $880k in grants to study why snails in New Zealand have sex?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, i saw that HAns, it's a joke, aint it?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'you know the issue with that is that people will teach each other.  and they'll teach each other often fallacious things as fact'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sadly, it's not a joke.  We have tons of these stories.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'so...no different from having teachers'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Government is not reason - it is not eloquent, it is a foce. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'force* not foce :-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'it's just an institution'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a more famous example is that we spent I think a million on a study to figure out if cocaine was bad for chimpanzees.  A million dollars for the clear and express purpose of getting lab animals high.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'and like all institutions (and soylent green) it's made of people'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we need to breed more good people for government than the bad guys do'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not happening fast enough at the mo'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'so the problem isn't gov, it's groups of people that tends to muck things up'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a handful of good republicans, don't know about the demoplebs'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'well I like your plan.  get screwin''
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to support the good people'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and while I cannot say what the monetary investment is for these, we even have an online awards show to present spoof awards to the dumbest and most "Duh!!" science experiments showcasing stuff like "Water is wet" and "1 + 1 = 2"'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'My slogan is: More guns.  Fewer people!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reports of Turkey firing artillery shells into Northern Iraq in an attempt to intimidate Kurdish rebels there'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, turkey and northern iraq are buddies now....northern iraq supplies them with oil.....Iraqistan is born.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a 10 lb triple decker sandwich for $50.....it is 3 slices of bread and all meat.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a chicken cone...now that looks good.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I can no longer look at waffle cones.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it isnt an ice cream cone....it is a tortilla with chicken, and other toppings on it'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '3 slices of bread is called a club sandwich, Riz.  3 buns is called a Big Mac.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the food truck that makes them in Austin Texas sells 30,000 of them in 3 days at some festival.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love food trucks......there needs to be many many more.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, a guy in Wisconsin has been arrested for stealing 21 tons of cheese.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's no gouda!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he should have his swiss miss bring in some reading material, he's gonna be a while.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently the cheese was worth about $200,000'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, if DOMA gets struck down, the IRS might need SCOTUS to clarify the tax code.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I really really really want to make a comment... but every time I try to make a point, I get beat down for being a troll.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love trolls.  Make a comment, please.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos eyes Vonliege suspiciously.
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, steak, mashed potatoes, beans, rolls, and gravy.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'their ARE pretty tasty with butter-cream sauce'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boiled carrots also.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Boiled carrots... government planted food, if you ask me.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'these are locally grown carrots, and boil steamed myself.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and slathered in butter.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's what they want you to think...'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol well obama did sign the monsanto act giving them immunity'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's kinda why you never, ever take what gets said in a colored piece of text seriously.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, 8 oz ribeye steak...medium rare.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'salt and pepper.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like new york strip, rare'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rubbed with sea salt and crushed black pepper'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and ground up illegal people.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i like steak bloody'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Gosh, no'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we all know what you guys really do with the illegals.....*peer*'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They are very ripe when I pick them up in the brush.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol '
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You like your steak like you like your women?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Overripe illegals are not delicious'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Um, not a lesbian, sorry'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'hell ya thick abd bloody'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda . o O ( Bossy exclaims 'Ow!  Something just bit me!  Eww, get away, you perv!' )
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'illegal asians are delicious'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my fav part of the film Twister is when they are cooking up the grass fed beef steaks'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'mine was when the tornado was destroying shit'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all that lovely fat on the steaks...so they must have been finished on corn.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'gmo corm'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gmo corn is good for making fat steers.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so is any corn actually.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I inject my cows with nanobots.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lmfao'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's not working out so far.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'gmo corn guarantees them to be texan.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'my day has offically been made'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i been waiting all day for it'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow, the wait must have been terrible.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all beef producted in the US is gmo fed....you wont get away from it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing wrong with gmo.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'GMO is just making centuries of breeding plants into an overnight deal'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'For extra delicious plants'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty soon, that all natural grass will be gmo.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The thing that sucks about bananas, though, is that they are fragile.  I believe we had a sweeter and more delicious banana before it went extinct in the fifties or so'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Good thing I wasn't alive to suffer through that banana crisis'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the current banana is going extinct also.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yup'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'We need more GMO Banananers'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natural bananas have no defense against that disease that is wiping them out.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neither do gmo ones.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, looks like we have hired some pathetic gmo scientists'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I say we liquify them and feed them to the plants.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ever check out that golden rice? :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'whats with all the gmo bullshit then?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I have no idea, Edicius... only Jesus knows.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'like the whole global warming bs?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'whos jesus?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a new gmo rice has all the vitamins and minerals within it, so it doesnt have to be coated on the rice.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the guy that sells oranges at the intersection?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it can grow in places where rice cant grow right now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'jesus is the gay hippie with a Broadway contract hoping to raise money for ailing churches.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i thought that was the devil'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My grandma is Japanese.  She loves rice.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'jesus likes mexican refried beams'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like lentils, and pinto beans.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My grandpa is Mexican.  He loves refried beans.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am all races.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my chili is to die for....real chili has beans.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'youb are alien'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hell yes to Rizgoth!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'real chili had no beans'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel whistles a happy tune while skipping through a field of genetically-mutated plants!
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when kit carson died....his last words were....I wish I had more time to eat a bowl of chili.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hallelujah!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'when i die i want to be made into chili '
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not real chili if you can still feel your tongue after you're done.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'god blowtorch blows'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'true that hans'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'or if you can poop rite the next week'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't poop.  I am an amoeba.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the perfect meal.....a nice medium rare steak with a scoop of chili on top, mashed potatoes and gravy, and boiled carrots.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I make people poop when they ingest me in standing water.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'riz thats the texan meal'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'god damn i wanna steak with chili on it and some toast with garlic butter'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The term Texan is being ruined by all the Californians moving here once they realize how much they are overspending to live in a horrible place.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'sounds like alberta for canada'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I saw that episode of King of the hIll'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Some jack woman in a Prius with California plates said by Boss was too loud.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who can you ruin a non-existent reputation?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hopefully those calis will move to SE texas, and decide they dont like the humidity, and then move to another state...not realizing that most of Texas has much lower humidity.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A non-existant reputation?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A state with non-existant reputation is like Idaho, or Ohio.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, sorry, how can you ruin a bad reputation?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Bad is how you view it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'open up and say AHHH!  7000 Oklahoman dental patients are being cautioned that they need to get an HIV test...'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol, sucks to be them... always a chance no matter where you go.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I almost caught HIV at the store today.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But I punched it in the face.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and a tall glass of iced tea and lemonade with the meal....'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how about this: A dark-skinned friend of mine went to Texas to work on a contract. It required for him to sleep during the day and work at night. After he got off work at about 4am he went jogging. A police cruiser came by and asked him what he was doing, he explained that he needed the exercise. The policeman finally told him "Well, boy, as long as you are not running with a TV under your arm, we won't bother you". '
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps a loaf of garlic bread on the side.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol I don't know what part of Texas he went to, but we have so many military bases around here that cops are friendly to all races.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Racism is everywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Lake Jackson, 55 mi from Houston.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but in California, the cops would not say that to you. Or Nevada, for that matter, though Nevada is pretty racist.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is original....we dislike murderers so much that we created our own murder court for it.....a group of ex prosecutors who preside over appeals when you get sentenced.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You would have cops say that in California.  Or anywhere.  Depends soley on the police officer involved.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Dutch startup Mars One is hoping to air the first reality show on Mars in 2022...'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yeah right, alaska natives are stopped all the time in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'white people rarely.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe, there is a chance that would happen. That odds are that it wouldn't happen the first time you ran into one.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and in California, or Nevada, they won't chain you to the back of a pick up truck and drag you to death :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol sure they don't do that here'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it happened in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, in cali or nevada, they dig a hole in the desert and plant your ass in it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yeah, and shit happens everywhere.  You can't group all Texans as racists... just like you can't group all white people as supremists or black people as gangsta pimps.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that may very well happen, but we don't know if it does. We know it happens in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When was the last time you heard of that happening in Texas?  Yet murders happen much more in cali then texas.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Just like not everyone in California are a bunch of rich, blonde idiots who run around making judgemental statements'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I am not grouping all Texans as racist, that would be bigoted of me. I am pointing out though, that someone darked-skilled was insulted by a policeman, and another was dragged to death.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We also allow citizens to protect their homes....imagine that...protecting your home from people who would do you harm, or steal your stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that happens all the time, or just the two times?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that happens all the time, or just the two times?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oooops... sorry'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Black people and othe races get told things everywhere.  And the dragged behind truck incident was over a decade ago.  It doesn't happen daily.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so it is relativily safe for black people in TX today?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know. I don't know that many people who have been to Texas :) Though, I have been there a few times, myself :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Uh yeah'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'good question, Vonliege :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dallas is around 40% black.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'About as safe as any other state'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A suburb of Dallas though....is about 90% white. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Dallas was 40% 40 years ago, too :) I don't think it was fun being black in Dallas then :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Besides, black people mostly murder themselves it seems'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nice one, Noegel :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You think it was fun being black anywhere 40 or 50 years ago lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol oops'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'deep ellum'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know if it was. But I was just pointing out that 40% black now in Dallas is not a new thing.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the most dangerous place for blacks in AL is black neighborhoods'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the largest group of people in Texas now is hispanic.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, but you don't say that about white neighborhoods. You don't say "the most dangerous place for whites is white neighborhoods". '
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'People who live in the "ghetto" should 1) Stop talking with a ridiculous accent 2) Stop blaming the man for their financial woes'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and stop wearing their pants under their asses.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when the cops come, they trip.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I know, it's hard to run from the cops without a belt'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, I mean, imagine that. No wonder they get killed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anyone having their pants dragging should be shot.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'its no wonder that gang members are the highest rate of murders in drive byes......if I was doing the drivebye...I would aim at the idiots with the pants under their asses also.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'easy prey to shoot at.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would just give them a drive-by hug'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, except at night. Unless you use flood lights, right?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yeah, Anaristos, because poor neighborhoods don't have streetlights because the man doesn't give them electricity.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel shakes her fist at the man!
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who is the man?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The Guvment'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cream rising to the crop.  Dunno why you're asking me, I'm just here to bring diversity to the channel.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel hugs Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are diversed :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still like medium rare steak.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I stole your steak and gave it to the racist popo.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have plenty.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if only we could get different restaurants to make it consistent.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Or you could grill your own with mesquite wood'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'also have 120 lbs of pork in the freezer from the last group boar hunt :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No shortage of that on my land... everything here has spines... even the beautiful wildflowers have spines'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '20 lbs of bacon.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Bacoooon'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hickory, or apple.  Gotta know what you're doing with apple, though, cause it turns the meat pink.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sometimes I like to cook with the wood from the houses of the poor (evil)'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'll be quiet now'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'made some venison chili last week, the last of the deer my dad shot back in October.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'How does meat taste after being deep frozen for that long?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'shot back?  Did he let the deer have a turn first?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm contemplating getting a deep freezer'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you wrap it correctly, it is fine.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol my dad still has like a half feezer full of venison'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'got some left over venison meatloaf and steak in frisge too'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gonna go moose hunting in Canada this fall....'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that sounds fun lots of work tho'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I hope you hunt with nothing but a Bowie knife and your fists.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the yummy meat makes up for the 5 days of hunting.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mix moose with pork and make sausage.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'moose is SWEET and TENDER!... best game meat IMO'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'rabbit'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think beaver might be better...'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Has anyone here ever ridden a moose?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like most game meat plenty... but Moose is the only one that I consider 'stand-alone'... no pork required'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Elk is really good also.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ground venison mixed with ground lamb is amazing'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the couch is lumpy, so I'll just say "no".'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'any wild meat is stand alone'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Had a black bear steak once....at a restaurant in washington state.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I can't wait until they come up with genetically-modified game... game that fights back!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'elk is it's own thing... it's ok, depending on the diet (nibbling moss of rocks makes poor meat)... Caribue is the worst'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in spokane.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the sweet taste of lamb mixed with the wild flavor od venison omg'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'porcipine is delicious'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're called bears, Noegel.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'black bear is not good btw.....to tough'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I wrestle bears in my dreams, so they don't count.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bear is just not that good.  have to eat it, though, to have an excuse to hunt for a rug!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'rappie acadian style with all wild meat nothing beats it'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'go shoot a moose at like 10 yards with a bow and not from a tree... i would crap myself'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the way to hunt bear is to shoot it anywhere but in the head.  They've got harder noggins than the proverbial black man.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Can you play with the bear rug's mouth?  Or is it permanently open?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'those things are massive and it they turn on you or something its not gonna be pretty'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only ever seen them open or closed... but would be fun to wire one up for motion.... the 'ACTION' bear rug'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'a moose turns on you your ass is dead'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'moose are the most dangerous animal in the wild.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'next to a hippo'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got to tune into the local radio in fairbanks to get the morning moose report... what roads are backed up because of a moose.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yeah, hippos are terrifying'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no hippos around here. :('
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or try and stalk a white tail deer those things are really hard to close in on without being noticed'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You haven't seen the West Texas Hippo then'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's kind of a legend'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your mom ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aren't those called tourists?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No, my mom died when I was young, raised by grandparents'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But could be'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wtg grandparents.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'well atleast someone rasied ya'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm just kidding, I just wanted to make the mom comment awkward'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandpa loves to hunt.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love to hunt wild boar.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I shoot boars at work.  They let us because the population is out of control'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, we use em for food on the ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good meat when roasted.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'We cook them at the checkpoint'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yummy pork steak with beans.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aren't you worried about attracting coyotes?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Coyotes are pansies'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even when they're shooting at you?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh you mean the smuggling coyotes lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And no, they avoid the checkpoint... Got night vision and day cameras that give a good seven mile surveillance around the point'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should have a meat steer or two in their yard.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'you mean like a wife mowing the lawn?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or 5 meat goats.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or a pig'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pigs are omnivorous, like we are!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What if you don't have a yard?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Chain them to the roof'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'keep a potbelly pig in your apartment :D'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'use your neighbors yard.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would like to keep my own chickens and maybe some lambs, but living in an apartment, that's not really an option...'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'researchers have created a higher fiber potato....it has twice as much fiber.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And twice the waste expelled'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Still makes it pretty low in fiber.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'make sure to eat the skin....that is the best part.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mashed potatoes with skin'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer sweet potatos, they have plenty of micronutrients as well, not just starch.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and brown gravy'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yams ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Aye, yams, not good '
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I always eat the potatoes with the skin. '
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yams are not sweet potatoes.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mashed sweet potatoes and brown gravy is not the same.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yikes I am mindblownb'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yams come from africa, sweet potatoes from south america.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Like scotch n whiskey then'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and potatoes from south america also.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, for the origin of different foods, I recommend "guns, germs and steel".'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'brown gravy deserves its own food group.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Only if you make your own brown gravy... none of that powdered crap'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'powdered anything is usually awful'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Cocaine is a hell of a drug.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Any food should be made yourself, from scratch.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem with making food "for real", it that you just can't eat the processed stuff once you know how real food tastes.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, you can, but you have to be both very hungry and very broke.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I disagree.  Sometimes I crave a nasty gas station burrito.. I know I'm a nasty girl'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, I suppose so :D'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe that's just immune system that wants pratice, Noegel.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'your*'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My immune system once stabbed malaria in the gut while nina-kicking swine flu.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then I woke up from my dream.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, making donuts using coconut oil....'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer how people used to eat back in the 1880s.....real food.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of butter, meat, eggs, flour, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I guess if you like eating the same thing most everyday'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Awww'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Smart move! Queen Bee Noegel tries to start some discussion about the weather, hoping no one noticed her last mischan.
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'made some donuts, didnt have lard though, so used coconut oil.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'How did it turn out?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'found a recipe book from 1885.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'turned out great.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cinnamon and sugar donuts.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Send me some on the Pony Express'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to make baked apple pudding on saturday....'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, a recipe for sourdough cornbread.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love cooking'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'I disagree'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like simple foods....lots of steak, mashed potatoes, veggies with butter, rolls, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '? Biff'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You like real food!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: '...arent we suppose tod ebate things here?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol true'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Biff: 'so im taking the stance that you dont like cooking '
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or fried chicken, corn on the cob, rolls, and beans.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gonna cook some hen fruits in cow grease tomorrow.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas Butter: Gravy made from steak grease and flour. If available, milk was used.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can make gravy out of any grease and flour :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont be a smart ass....:)'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't they call that spackle?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'this is a Texas cookbook!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I am being serious! I had rice and gravy with bacon-grease gravy recently :D'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I make gravy from the drippings after cooking the steak......for the mashed potatoes....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'add a little bacon grease to it also.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm coming over, Rizgoth, and you are going to cook me a Texan meal.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Another one I loved was the bacon mac and cheese with the bacon grease forming the base for the cheese sauce as well :D'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'will cook you a plate of mountain oysters....'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'boiled bull balls, yum!'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to make salmon-crab patties tomorrow for dinner, with cole slaw, corn on the cob, rolls, and apple pie with vanilla ice cream for dessert.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm still coming over.  I'll go door to door until I find your house.  Might take a while in this state, though.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'homemade tartar sauce also.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and honey from my dad's bees.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'maybe some beans also....like to eat beans every day....'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Can I play with your dad's bees?'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are africanized.'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Even better'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Africanized bees are the future'
T3/r7/2013-03-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we feed illegal aliens to them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I ride Africanized Bees on patrol.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i belive africanized bees are the bee of choice now in brazil'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Of course, they are genetically modified and they roar'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you don't choose africanized bees, they choose you.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and the aggressive tendencies are being bred out'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, with genetics from bumble bees.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder if solitary bees can be africanized?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm they are called africanized because they were african bees crossed with european bees'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we should go back to rendered beef fat.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'what is the difference between a honey bee and an africanized honey bee? THE SIZE OF THEIR DICKS!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol snooky'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not all Africanized bees exhibit the agressive traits of african bees'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Just the ghetto ones'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love dutch oven biscuits dripping with butter and honey.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just dont let the agressive hives continue.. yadda yadda '
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I like the custard pies more than the apple ones.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When Cookie  was finished with his work for the day and before hitting the sack, he would always place the tongue of the chuck wagon facing north. When the trail master started in the morning he would look at the tongue and then knew what direction he would be moving the herd. '
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sounds like a good practice'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, using the stars :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and never trust a skinny cook !'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Correct, like the skinny ladies on Food network'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, or skinny chefs....they obviously sell tiny portions....'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ugh, I went to a fancy restaurant that served steak once for a wedding... the steak was like 3 ounces and I almost scream what the **** is this crap'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A steak nugget??'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a medallion'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'according to your govt, that is a big steak serving.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Fancy talk for screwing you over for 75 dollars'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you want a good deal on a steak...get that $50 texas 72 oz steak up im Amarillo.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you eat it all within an hour, it is free.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you go to the same restaurant on your bday...you can get a prime rib dinner for 1 cent.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Too bad that would be a hell of a drive'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Respect the Wind by Van Halen has got to be one of the best instrumentals ever made'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, what happened to axl rose?  He gained like 50 lbs or something....and his voice is gone.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Erie: 'what's your favorite color and why'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My favorite color is navy blue because I just friggin' like it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Cyan'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Erie: 'EXPLAIN!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'This Ferien enjoys green, a dark green that is, because This Ferien likes Those Earthy Types of Colors.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Erie gives a round of applause.
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The quiet skies are navy blue.  So are the pools of morning dew.  Navy blue is the color of love and also the color of my shoes (sort of)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'This Ferien also likes brown, as such, but you said "Favorite Color" and thus This Ferien had to choose between Them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, back in 1992, gnr was huge....so was metallica....now, gnr is a hasbeen, and metallica is still going strong.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Night of the Comet is a classic film.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What is it about, Sir Rizgoth?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a comet that brushes the planet and kills off 99% of the people on the planet, and 9/10ths of the remaining 1% are zombies that dry up and die after a few days.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All you need is steak and beans.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, bean and rice soup.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'apple pie...'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel summons Snooky to the debate!
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'lets get started'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'God didn't write the bill of rights. Humans did.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel jams on her guitar, kinda like dimebag darrel!
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I wrote the Bill of Rights.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Snooky hates debate.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'ok, who believes in a Supreme being and who does not, so at least we know who is who'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, I believe in a Supreme Being... just in a little different sense than your tradition Christian.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'I will start  I believe in one God.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I gotta go running Crystia.  Before the traffic begins to come!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can believe what you want. As long as you don't base important decisions in life on it, or preach to others about it, it's fine. '
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Be safe Noegel'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I will!  I run at night as to not die by traffic.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I can handle myself.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'and why is that Ranrr?  Don't you thinks laws are already based on those things?  Murder etc..'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Laws are based on what we agree as a collective.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'And their origins are in religion.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Religion tries to add a few things as laws that we don't agree upon as a collective.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, the origins are not in religion. '
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Morals are much older than religion.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'cavemen had religion'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'So our laws are based on some religion laws.  Do not kill, do not steal.... it use to be morally wrong to lie.  Not anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Let me rephrase it another way: If you need a supernatural being to know that it is wrong to kill or rape, I don't want to be around you.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Nejihyuga is agreeing with that Ranrr person again...
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'That is not the point, the point is origins of these thoughts of not to kill and the like.  When a government official gets sworn in, they get sworn in with a Bible or Quran .... American money has in God we Trust on it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'I do not know if now... in court people had to swear on the Bible.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our money could just as easily said In Donkeys we Trust.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, the US is a weird place. Agreed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'But it doesn't say that.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Then, I guess, the US has more morals than any other place, since you are so religious?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'I do not know that answer.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most religious people are hypocrites in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'I am not in America'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, if morals come from religion, the more religion you have, the more morals.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I have a hard time with people who think that being athiest is a part of being "enlightened" as though only godless people are intelligent.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And places like sweden, where 85% is non-religions must be very immoral.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Not always true Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'I personally think it is in people's hearts, how good they are.  Not if they are Christian or whatever.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, now you agree with me?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'it is just a label'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'religion has been the cause of all dark spots in human history......'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'i agre with Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'really?  Did Hitler go to Church?  Did he do what he did because of religion or was race or was it because of the bankers?  What is going on in Syria, is that about religion?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good or bad, organized religious held back human scientific knowledge for centuries, and it still does to a certain point today.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'hitler was a christian , in one of hes notes he sed "i believe i am doing *the lords* work"'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Just because you say it does not mean it is actually what you are doing.  That is why it is in the heart and none of us know what is in each other's hearts.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'so we can't say anyone is a good person just by what organization they are in.  They could be feeding the poor and be an axe murderer.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and for the record, I believe in a higher power, but I dont believe in organized religion.  Man created organized religion to control other men, and women.  And to explain things that he/she did not understand in the natural world.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'yes, some religions do dumb down their people, make them sheep instead of challenging to learn on their own.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'making them afraid of the dark'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And for the record, I do not believe in a higher power. But I will change my mind if proven that a higher power exists.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'sorry was helping bro move something. Hope i didnt miss much'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'why dosent god pop up in the sky , whats stoping him?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the classic excuse is, humanity is so busy and loud now that we can't 'hear' the word.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Well, I think that people are just use to doing whatever they want these days and they are encouraged to have no limits.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why would a creator such as god make us just to babysit us like so many are thinking?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a permissive and undiciplined world'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'maybe he wants to test you and see what you are really made of.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Mind you I don't follow any specific organized religion. But I believe we were put here by an all knowing creator.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The simplest explanation, of course, is that no god exists.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Donkey knows all.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'If you believed in life after death, a resurrection, then the test model makes sense.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well sure Ranrr. Of course that is the simplest scientific explenation...'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So tell me all about before the big bang.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'i dont know. Tell me , who created god?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Oh, you're trying to turn this into a "I don't believe in science" because science doesn't have all answers- discussion, huh? '
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No I follow science entirely'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'No body created God.  Imagine that.  A God that just is, from beginning to end.  Hard to get your head around that.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Alpha and Omega'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Science is the knowledge of uncertainty. That is just how it is.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Crystia nods.
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'and I am totally into science'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Love it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nobody religious can be totally into science, imho.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Science is us figuring out "how" things came to be. Religion is us figuring out "why" we are here.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am "religious", and I am "totally into science"...   your statement is therfor disproved'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem is that religion is more about how than why.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'That is where you are wrong Ranrr...it is science that proves that there is a God to me.  Our universe is sooooo ordely.  I look up into the night sky and I wonder at the beauty of it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was an opinion, to be fair, though'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'that answer is completley ilogical , firstly for X to exist X requiers a creator . saying god has always been there is the same as saying that google created itself.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well that is the ignorance of athiests Von. You think those that have a religion are less than you are.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the universe is not orderly'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'indeed the presence of stars is due to disorder'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Athiesim and enlightenment do not go hand in hand. I wish people would stop acting like it does.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just think that those that believe in things for which there is no proof are wasting their time.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'It is orderly in its chaos.  There are chances in that order...like a meterite hitting the earth, it is relative chaos but overall... we are expanding and then we will collapse.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'the universe? orderly? Explain the flying rocks in space.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want a food replicator damnit....come on science dont let me down!  Steak and beans for all !'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'they have an order that they are following.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you mean that there are pockets of apparent orderliness within the overall chaos? Yes, that is true'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'but irrelevant to the existence of God'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '3D printers will be able to print food pretty soon. Of course, to do that, they would need... food as raw material.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Where do the Vulcans and Vorlons fit in this diety world ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'my printer can already do that'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Ranrr how much certainty do you have in the whole of science to be able to decide who is wasting their time and who isnt? You seem to just be taking a cop out and buying into the idea that being atheist is the smartest looking image for a person. You probably learned it early on to fit in to whatever caste you were raised in.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'It depends on how you define what is the relevant facts to the existence of God.  If it is just left to... he has to appear before me, then that is very narrow scope in my opinion.  Just look at creation is what I saw.  '
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, a real food replicator only needs base elements and electricity to create anything that is programmed into the machine.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'i seed explain them not tell me that thay are flying around in space. Thay are debre from planetary collisions , i ask is a planet smashing into a planet orderly?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A 3d printer that can take carbon et al and make a steak is probably a bit into the future, but I bet not more than 100 years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, a 3d printer is a step i the right direction.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So Neh your argument is that planents and shit smash into each other therfore god does not exist?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Why isn't it orderly Nejihyuga if that is the nature of heavenly bodies to one day crash into another.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'such a printer would not be economical to make or run'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'or never crash'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people thought computers would never be economical also......'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or smaller then a room'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '3D printers will do most of small manufacturing within 10 years, I predict. At lower cost than now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'peopel need to look for new jobs then'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'certainly 3D printers will become very important in the near future'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'crystia , you are bieng willing fully ignorant by saying "it is orderly for them to smash into each other and at the same time to never smash into each other."'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, an early generation 3d printer would be good for making rubber dog shit, instead of some chinese factory making them and shipping them to the US'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I am disputing the use of chemical elements as the raw materials'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you make your living by manufacturing, your job has been in danger for the last 200 years, at least. And the trend will continue until pretty much all manufacturing is automated.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Not at all Nej, the nature of the lion is to kill the gazelle for food. Hevenly bodies interact and cause and effect...what happens if everything just stayed the same?  We grow old and out hair turn grey or fall out, we wrinkling and die.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Order does not mean things are stagnant.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seems to me to make a steak, you just need carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, and I dont know what else, and a protein synthesizer, '
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Some micronutrients, like magnesium, iron and stuff. Can probably use sea water.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to make steak, you need a calf - add corn, hay, water and time... '
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Corn? You mean grass?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you use corn to make the cattle fat...not to keep them alive.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you want tough steak... for good steak, the calf needs protiens'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DBL DBL DBL'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only in the US. Corn is not natural food fod a cow, and will make their fat unhealthy (by too much omega-6).'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but TASTY!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Grass feed beef is so much better.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nejihyuga: 'gota go kill afew mobs brk'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dry and dull tasting'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grass fed beef, and finished on corn is the way I like it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dry and dull tasting'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Got to go myself, nice chatting with all of you, was fun.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but pushing a couple buttons and getting a nice medium rare steak with fried onions and mushrooms, mashed potatoes and gravy, and boiled carrots.....that is my dream....'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a replicator could also clean your clothes.....no need to wash them in water anymore....think of the fresh water savings.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'recycle them'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'using the replicator would be recycling them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the clothes are dissolved back into base elements, and then used to recreate more clothes, or food, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That would take a lot of energy, though.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, energy would need to be more plentiful and cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Let's just make a dyson sphere around the sun, and that problem is solved.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but if you take into account the energy savings of not needing to wash clothes, dishes, etc, it wouldnt be that much more.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ah, poor marky zucky, he will have to pay $1.1 billion in income tax for 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ouch, the capital gains tax went up to 23.8 % this year.....damn liberals are taking all our money.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mark Zuckerberg is one rich dude.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Or whatever his last name is'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, he made $2.3 billion in 2012.....will pay 48% tax on that....state and federal.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he will make much much less in 2013 though.....unless he exercises more stock options.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he takes no salary as ceo of facebook.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sucks for him... I don't pay state income tax woohoo!!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, that $6 billion bay bridge in cali is impressive.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Too bad it is in California'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DOMA'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know... I played this game on a univax terminal, and it wasn't any fun'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'after watching a few doc's i've learned to hate words like "extraordinary", "immense", "unimaginable", .. what the hell. why cant they just talk about things like normal people do?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you would prefer your news littered with valley-speak?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what is valley-speak?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'big hair, 1980s, bubblegum...'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like, totally!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'eh. there is NO mainstream docs that just explain things. they all shout big numbers and shit like that'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"BIG NUMBERS AND SHIT!"'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Top donors threaten Dems: Do the right thing on guns, or no more money'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's come to this, the vest interests flexing their vests'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Which ocean is higher in elevation in latin america?  The atlantic side, or the pacific side ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'uhhhh'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'the pacific is about 8 inches higher'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've got yet 8 inches right here'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yer*'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_046.html'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DOMA'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'DOMA Arigato!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mr roboto'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DOMO'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'Sumimasen.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( "doma" is house in russian... )
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dang right you are...'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sorry as anyone I've ever seen!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if DOMA gets overturned, the gates will be wide open '
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what does that euphemism stand for?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"the gates will open"'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'Bill Gates will come out of the closet.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no chance, he is a neuter.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Don't you mean the closet will be wide open?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that IS apropo, Snooky'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'homosexuality is older than the USA, probably as old as humankind. Suddenly, a bunch anal retentives feel the need to enforce their will on nature.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no wonder the Puritans were run out of Europe.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if your refering to ancient greece and rome, then child prostituion, incest, and child rape were also acceptable'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not to mention beastiality, and public spectacle of animal and human slaughter'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'looooooooooooooooooooooonsoooooooooooooooooooooooooome! Dooooooooooooooooooove!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what does child prostitution and incest have to do with homosexuality. As for incest, you wouldn't be here if it weren't for incest. Incest is also as old as humankind and it was a necessary means of getting the human race to exist.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, wait, I was wrong. God created 1024 men and 1024 women simultaneously so that they could produce 512 children at a time.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and scattered them far enough away from each other to create multiple gene pools.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'by using historic precedent as grounds for justifying the act of homosexuality. then you must also justify all the afor mentioned atrosities.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'justifying the act? Why should the act be justified?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'once sex is conducted without the intent of procreation, all bets are off. Since, technically, any sex act that isn't involved in procreation is deviant.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so quit giving blow jobs, you pervert.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is untrue from the Christian perspective'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prostitution allowed us to colonize the western part of the US.....*nods to self*'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have choice words for that perspective, but I won't use them in mixed company.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the marriage bed, as defined by God (the God of Abraham, to be clear), is for a married man and woman to have a good time.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he didn't define it that way for me. In fact, since we have never spoken, he hasn't defined anything to me.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then you are lost, and this conversation is pointless'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'good evening'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, in the face of it, the idea that god speaks is absurd.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure it is pointless, you want to be narrow-minded and have the gall to tell others how to behave when their acts don't threaten you. If you weren't allowed to look down on homosexuals your life would be meaningless, since you then couldn't find anyone to look down on and get away with it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ah ha... I never said homosexuals... I love ALL men, even homosexuals (agape), it is the ACT of homosexuality that I condemn'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Alexander the Great was a homosexual, Samurai practice the art of "manly love". Rome who ruled the world once, found bisexuality commonplace.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'obviously, homosexuality doesn't appear to be disabling :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but narrow-minded Puritans keep bringing the world to the edge of distruction.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to market to market, to buy a fat pig.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Home again, home again, dancing a jig'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love farmers markets....need more of them.....everywhere!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Alexander the Great, some greeks, some Samurai, some Romans, were killers murderers and abominations and prehaps not so coincidentally were homosexual'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gee, and of course, no heterosexual come be labeled that way. So it must be homosexuality that drives men to be butchers.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in general, sex-perverts tend to be sexually motivated to be serial killers'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ancient rome also openly practiced child rape, incest, and public mass murders of those they diagreed with'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I see, so all murderers are latent homosexuals.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, there is no child rape, incest and public mass murderers in modern times. Not unless, those acts are performed by homosexuals. I get your point.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are right, we should hang all homosexuals in order to bring peace and safety to the world.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... you completly missed the point.. you're just thrashing in the water'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'this commentary is great and all, but I just want to know why.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I think my question is more simple and straightforward'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and those addiction to mass-murders and other atrocities tend to be with a predilection to be sex-perverts'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't miss the point, you are claiming that incest, child  rape and mass murder is caused by homosexuals because they are homosexuals. I did get your point.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I never claimed that, Anaristos... you just threw that out there like a ranger throws smoke'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I guess I'm going to be ignored. ok.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with heterosexual sex-perversion, there is an evolutionary auto-correcting psychology'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was simply stating that if you want to use the historical precedent that what was good for the romans is good for us today, then you must also think EVERYTHING about the romans is good for us today'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I don't know...togas are pretty awesome.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'togas - good... child rape - bad'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you are making generalizations. You claim homosexuality leads to mass murder. So that means that all recent mass murders in the US were caused by homosexuals. Lincoln and Kennedy were murdered by homosexuals. That also means that those who dropped the bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were homosexuals.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That last one was warfare Anaristos, not a mass murder.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a lady at a farmers market in lancaster that has been selling just celery for 30 years.....a special sweeter celery that is grown in lancaster....a heirloom celery.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when did anyone here but YOU say that homosexuality leads to mass murder?  check the buffer'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Romans were an abominable "necessary?evil" used (by god?) to eliminate even worse perversions'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Debate) Vonliege: 'ancient rome also openly practiced child rape, incest, and public mass murders of those they diagreed with''
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'zade is an abominable "necessary?evil" used (by god?) to eliminate brain cells'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'stop with the drugs, man'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos peers intently at Zade.
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what, do you you want a worthy debate opposition, or a choir singing praises about your errored opinions'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose if DOMA is overturned, we will have to start granting 'married filing jointly' status to farmers who marry their pigs... not to mention 'man-boy-love'... it will not stop with homosexuality.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point I am trying to pass to you is that homosexuality has nothing to do with how human beings treat each other. We are all sexual, one way or another. So we can subtract that from the equation. For instance, while I can't claim it doesn't happen, you don't hear of gangs of homosexuals attacking heterosexuals because they are heterosexuals.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to go to the central market in Shanghai China....I hear it is one of the largest farmers markets in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think that we should keep the sheep away from you, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wouldn't enter it into the debate, regardless... isolated cases, such that they MAY be, would be anecdotal at best, and would not advance the debate in either direction'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you might not recognize it as such, Ana, but I hear lots of those types of attacks going on.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "euphemism" was a colloiquial "the gates (of Hell and perversion) will be wide open!"'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'colloquial'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... I said that (gates)... as a prejoiner to the eventuality of the US GOV recognizing beastial relations, and insestuous couplings'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the colloquial perhaps idiomatic when abbreviated'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'It may happen, Hanslanda. But there are no claims, to my knowledge, that it does happen. If a heterosexual were attacked by a gang of homosexuals it would make world-wide news. But no one comes forward and claims that it has happened to them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'would you admit to getting the shit beaten out of you by a bunch of guys who were probably undressing you with their eyes?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... sort of like getting ass-raped in the locker room... regarless, it doesn't have much relevance to the issue on the table'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, lexington farmers market has racoon burgers.....that is a stop in my next road trip'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did you go to the Hodecker Celery Farm booth?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh :) I don't recall every having been undressed by a man with his eyes. I am also sad to say that no woman has done that either :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thats the lady who sells just celery right ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... did you ask them (didn't know it was just a lady) how they get it sweet?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'havent been there, so no'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you like the celary... don't ask'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is it sinister ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is it made from dead people ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not left-handed, no.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... unsavory would be closer'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the theory of the paranomrmal is not yet academically developed, but human sexuality is able to be detected by some (perhaps many) (especially psychically sensitive children), and the decent folk prefer that sexuality be heterosexual when broadcast'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching a pbs show on farmers markets in the US...and the celery lady at lexington was just shown.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really? I bet you think you are civilized, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... thought you were AT the market'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'silly, though... look at the time'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, it is going to be a stop on my next road trip though.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in that case... they bleach the celary to get rid of some of the bitterness.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'clorox or walmart brand ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sinister at all'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'something a bit more industrial, I would imagine'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is another social stigma :) Being left-handed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the biblical Apocalypse, the battle between the good and the bad likely also includes the battle between the heterosexuals and the homosexuals'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'aside from some dubious and dated research ot the contrary, I would not think that being left handed is a handicap in todays society... other than having a hard time find a pair of scisorrs'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Let's see, it is wrong to be, blond, dark-haired, red-haired, blue-eyed, brown-eyed, green-eyed, left-handed, club-footed, tall, short, fat, thin, alive, dead. I wonder how many are left  after you remove all those.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'learning to ambidextrous is a remedy for left-handedness'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's a new petition going up that calls for the legalization of left-handedness'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'remedy?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'obviously you don't understand what nature is. If it exists it is natural.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you see... you showed a bit of your motication there, Anaristos... you are very very bitter, and I suspect you have always been, and always will consider yourself a VICTIM of something or the other.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love buying foods I never had before at farmers markets.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also, the administration is quietly working to pass legislation that will make handedness illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I promise you, if you quit being a begot, you won't lose the ability to become sexually excited. Though if you do, please seek psychiatric help.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so I try to go to the world farmers markets, that have representation from many different peoples.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'note the christian parable of the wheat and the cockle  (perhaps also the parable of the heterosexuals and the homosexuals)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'seek psychiatric help anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can write parables, too, you know. There isn't anything supernatural about it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, an indian bitter melon...wonder how you prepare that.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can find it at congress.gov, House bill SB 10801'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is indeed if the parable was spoken by Jesus (capital J)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'lots of people have been named Jesus. Jesus was a very popular name circa 2K years ago :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Anaristos... you hate Christians, don't you?  you can admit it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'biblical parables are far more famous likely wiser (than crap parables by wannabbees)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's been a very popular name for the 2k years since'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'after all... hating Christians is very hip these days.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brujah: 'Jesus is a pretty mean bowler, I tell you what.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't hate Christians :) I just think they are full of bat guano :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Christians have the hispanics on their side.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'moderate christians are okay, unless they are greedy republican intoleran liars'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only because the christians told the early hispanics....worship jesus or die.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and thining that they are full of bat guano is not biggoted at all.... nooooo.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sounds familiar.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'christianity is far more benighn than those semitic religions'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'apparently they tried it and found out they really liked it, else they wouldn't have become as fanatical about it as they've become.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, what can I say? When someone tells me that homosexuality is wrong because they heard a voice that told them so. I have this urge to institutionalize them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'christianity is far technologically advanced than those oriental religions'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so to be clear... you are saying that Christians... a group that includes most of the founding fathers of the US, every sitting president since, and 80% of the US population... should be institutionalized?  good luck with that.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, Christian technology explains how angels fly :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that god is putting a lot of work into moderate Christianity, since moderate christiantity is more benign and technologically advanced (and heterosexual)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it also explains how by looking up into the sky you can see heaven, right through the vastness of space.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the truth is that agnostics and athiest are a very very small minority in the US... but good LORD do they have big mouths!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aim the telescope lower, Ana, particularly if you live in the big city.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'say what you want about the current generation, but they really, absolutely know how to put on a great show.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'although recently the perverts are ruining christianity and other religions, and coincidentally asteroids and comets nearly missing the planet earth -- god may be indicating some anger'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, that reminds me. The members of the 3 Crusades must have been homosexuals. I mean, with all the raping, pillaging and mass murders they committed, how could they have been anything else?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... God doesn't use the 'time out'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... God doesn't use the 'time out' method of discipline'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there were heterosexual perverts -- that may explain some of the crusaders'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'some?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it explains all of them.  You really don't think that many people actually found God all at the same time, right?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, I must admire those homosexuals, because, in spite, of their obvious predilection for same-sex partners, they forced themselves to rape all those women.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just like all the frauds we have now, most were at best simple bandwagoneers or at worst wanting to look for a clean slate/a safer place to practice.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some sexperverts are "bisexual" '
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even trisexual -- try anything at least once'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also called hedonists'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Roman empire was also ruined by lead poisoning'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'it is debatable whether bisexuals are ONLY perverts or not.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying that, the homosexual Crusaders, not being able to find any same-sex partners(!), opted to rape women instead as a way to satisfy their perverted sexual practices. I get your point.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, you are saying (and are likely wrong)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there were plenty of guys left, just no opportunities'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Needs must when the devil drives! :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'given the setting, you couldn't really just drop the cod and have at thee right in front of everyone, and pretty much everyone was looking for a quiet corner to get it on.  By the time the Crusades came on, sex was considered immodest.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'My obvious point is (for the mentally challenged on this panel) that Crusaders did what they did out of greed and unless you want to claim that they were almost exclusively homosexual, that their sexuality didn't matter.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Janisaries were said to be homosexual mercenaries'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'oh dear god'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they even kicked sex out of the Church!  "Go forth and multiply" became apocryphal heresy.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, imagine having to deal with perverts like Aristotle, Socrates, and Plato. Damn preverts!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'This Ferien wants to multiply with you, baby!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or the Pope.  Popes were real hounddogs back then.  I think pimp is even derived from the latin for Pope.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'come now, Hanslanda. Give me a break.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the RCC removed married heterosexuality from the clergy -- and sexperversion resulted among the clergy, and likely attracted homosexuals to the clergy'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would go out in a limb here and claim that perverts are more frequent among the powerful :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another explanation is required for the predilections of the Anglican clergy'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I defence of the perverted clergy I will say that forcibly suppressing one's sexual drive can't have a good result. It has to warp the mind.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"authority" does give opportunity to those in authority'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they removed sex from the church.  You couldn't do it in public, you couldn't do it in a religious ceremony (even the RCC had formalized rituals centered around fucking), and you weren't supposed to do it in ways that gave you pleasure.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'results in buddhism.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only way to remove sexual desire is probably by performing a lobotomy :) Perhaps, that should be a requirement of the clergy :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those perverted RCC sexual rules were likely concocted by perverse homosexuals in the RCC'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'This Ferien would like to point out, this must make the Pope a virgin!'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but, of course, Zade. There is a secret cabal of homosexuals poised to rule the world. When they come to power castration and vaginal mutilation will be the other of the day.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the order* '
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a simpler and benign change is to permit the RCC clergy to partake in heterosexual relationships'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, the Anaristos fantasy of a secret cabal of homosexuals -- tsk tsk'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is sick'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'eh, the Holy See isn't really all that transparent...'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the eye that looks is not transparent'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really all that farfetched, given where their serpents have slithered.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ferien: 'So This Ferien wonders, one of the most powerful people in the world (That Pope) Is a virgin?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps the "Holy See" is an allusion to a "Paranormal See" -- in which case very transparent, invisible, (imaginary, psychotic, nonexistent)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'several popes had been previously married, Ferien'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'some had even had children and never been married'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'originally, the Catholic church didn't oppose clergy marrying. After all, it was an offshoot of the Jewish faith, where their clergy marry.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'm pretty sure popes were always expected to be celibate after receiving their Holy Orders'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not at the beginning'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that came about at a later edict.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Benedict VIII is the one that instituted it in the XIth century.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'clergy, yes.  but not popes, I believe'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, so that would mean divorce then :) A contradiction :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Peter was certainly married.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was Pope Benedict VIII a closet homosexual'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'like I said, several popes were.  But not after recieving their holy orders'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Pope Borgias'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, who would they marry? :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they used "mistresses"'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'One pope was even the son of another pope'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, priests had children.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'pope != priest'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ah, Zade, I am sure you think all men are closet homosexuals :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do a "Solomon": a harem of Concubines'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'while all priests are not popes, all popes are priests.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are wrong, Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is a heterosexual male
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "SUUUUUUUURE...."
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Then unless you meant "all priests have children", saying "(some) priests have children" doesn't have to have anything at all to do with popes'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'at any rate, the original Roman church has no quarrel with married clergy, I rather think they expected it to be the case.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'What are you calling the original roman church?  what time period?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, Leninei. What I meant is that by the time a priest became a pope, he was probably already married.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Only 6 ever have been'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Pope that issued the "no marriage for the clergy" edict was an abomination'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Erie: 'still arguing about gay marriage'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'detractors of the RCC may use that "clergy celibacy no marriage edicts" as proof that the RCC is a fraudulent and false religion'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are obsessed about sex :) '
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'less than 1% of US population classifies themselves as farmers now :('
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the original RCC? The one established by Peter when he went to Rome.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is doubt whether the original Peter even existed (except as a poser), since the original Peter (of the keys) was based on a prior paganEgyptian mythology'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, we can ignore the historical evidence and go along with your theory :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I mean, what did Iosephus know?'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Peter that allegedly went to Rome was an "actor"'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Peter and Paul lead competing factions of the legacy of Jesus. So you can also claim that Paul was fictitious.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Josephus was treacherous jew and was reporting on hearsay'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Peter was likely more fictitious than Paul'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the history according to Iosephus, not the only historian of the century, but a noted one nevertheless, clearly indicates the existence of both.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the DVDs sold in the discount bin at the supermarket clearly indicate the existence of Harry Potter'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Shut up Zade.  We all know Harry Potter isn't in the discount bins yet'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can say the same thing of G.W. "The Bush" :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Least not here :D'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seen a few Harry Potter in the 7.99$can plus 13%tax discount bins here'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I was just playing around Zade'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wiggles her bottom towards Zade.
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wiggles her bottom towards a trout.
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'personally, I think that George Washington as apocryphal. Never met the dude so I have to take someone's word that he existed. '
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I meant the second.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel nods at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they can, but they are usually skilled by high stat SHs, though not always.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I want to See George Washington given buffs by a SH'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is a random factor in the stat distribution of the skin, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '-x 30'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'abrahamo lincolni'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Rizgoth!!!  Queen Bee Noegel cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw, the Butterfly Effect 2 was a lousy movie -- lots of diluted plagiarised concepts from other supranatural fiction, and weakly done (by Michael Weiss, the author of the Butterfly Effect 2)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the butterfly effect is not supernatural, it's a conclusion based on chaos theory :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the whole Butterfly Effect series seems predictable in plot: bad ending for the protagonist able to change the past through supranatural means by looking at a past photograph'
T3/r7/2013-03-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, there are only 3 major seed companies that control the world's seed supply now....'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "Butterfly Effect" movies are not based upon chaos theory, but based upon author bs lifting concepts from far better movies tvseries and authors'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, it currently takes 10 calories of energy to make 1 calorie of food.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you like the eyecandy of Erica Durance, the Butterfly Effect is not that great (as eyecandy) as the movie is a series of tragedies'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ashton Kutcher provides the male eyecandy of Butterfly Effect 1 '
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ashton Kutcher is not hot!'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ashton Kutcher looked okay on "Two and a half Men"'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ashton Kutcher even looks like Jesus Christ (with the proper hair and beard)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Noegel -- are you a fake female - if you say that Ashton Kutcher is not hot'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Uh, no, ask my aardspouse lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm sorry I have to follow predefined ideals of hottness'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Charle Sheen hot'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL no!!'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ashton Kutcher looks good with short well-kempt hair'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think he wore that once for like a week'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bela Lugosi ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No idea who that is... GOOGLE ACTIVATE'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess different chicks have different opinions about hotnoess. But who knows, women are a mystery.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'debate Nope'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I thought Nikolai Tesla was sexy lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Plus he was super intelligent badass'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Too bad he made so many fake inventions.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He made a lot of helpful ones too, silly'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be thankful for the nonfake inventions'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'For ever great person, there always be haters!'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No hater. Just stating a fact.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'edison was a thief.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yup'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'AC power Otta Blathy and Tesla... good enough to cover any fake inventions'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Gives them a few get out of bullshit passes for free'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you liked Nikolai Tesla as handsome, was Adolf Hitler handsome   (ducks)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hitler was more handsome before he got stressed and crazy'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Plenty of scientiests made fake science in their careers (Recommend: Bad Science by Ben Goldacre).'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But he really needed to lose the stash'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like the earth being round....i mean come on....every bible thumper knows that is heresay!'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I dunno what women think, but I doubt anyone would find hitler physically attractive. However, he probably got laid as much as he wanted, women like men of power.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, he had to get syphilis from somewhere.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Syphillis might be a deal breaker lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And I was talking hitler in his way younger years.  Leadership really messes up a mans complexion'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Need some oil of olay or something in Berlin'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the book "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" stated that the syphilus came from a jewish girl'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol what a tool herr hitler'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Adolf originally liked the jews, then turned against the jews -- may've been the syphilus'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That and he needed scapegoats.  People are really good at blaming other people for their issues.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'When did he like the jews? I've never heard that. '
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'payback is an irony'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the documentary (series on History channel H2) "Ten things you did not know" about Adolf Hitler '
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Is that on now??'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'History is playing a historical documentary wtf'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in February 2013'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, anyone read "The rise and fall of the third reich" by william shirer. It seems to be the "bible" on hitler... it's on my reading list.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You lied to me'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Americam Pickers is on :/'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'll have to check that one out, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if germany hadnt attacked the soviet union....they probably could have extended the war much much longer'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think the key mistake was when japan attacked the US. If they had kept the US out of the war longer, it might have made a difference. Like, if they had managed to take south america first.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rizgoth absolutely.  The invasion of the Soviet Union was a catastrophic strategic mistake'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'modern medicine kills 225,000 americans each year.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Nazis attacking the Soviet Union was a big mistake'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'how many does it save?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Heck of a lot more'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Probably 5-10 million'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Nazis declaring war against the USA (after Pearl Harbor) was a huge mistake'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol shows no matter how awesome you are as a strategist on the battlefield... just a couple of mistakes will ruin your campaign'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Adolf Hitler respecting the English was a bad mistake'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Speaking from experience from my Command and Conquer days lol  because you know, that's relevent!'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What do you mean, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In axis and allies, it's easier to take moscow than london....'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '(Europe edition at least)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol it is here too'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is not ready to change the past (and cease to exist) by suggesting how Hitler may've won the war
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Haven't played that game since I was a little girl'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My dad thought that was a little girls idea of a fun game'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Tell us Zade!'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching a docu that explains how cooking food is bad for your health....and that at least 51% of your food should be raw.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'cooking increases bioavailability and kills pathogens'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '50.4% is still bad?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Leinei, how dare you suggest that! curses'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I could understand if it is less nutrious to cook... but I can't see how it is "bad"'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Depends on food. Cooked cabbage is better, cooked raspberry, probably not.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'heat destroys vitamin c, and heat also destroys protein causing your body to work harder to utilize it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think a mix is good, but you have to adapt to the food.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'elderly folk require disease free raw vegetables '
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'luckily vitamin C is incredibly easy to acquire, and heat does exactly the opposite of make your body work harder to acquire protein'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, that is why food experts say half cooked, half raw.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'll take my cancer cooked, thank you'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If unsure, I just do what people did 100k years ago. Half-n-half seems like a good idea.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Erie: 'Hey, look who it is again'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'me too, I love steak....and I could care less if it causes my body to work harder then eating a glass of algae. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'sounds like this show you're watching is full of bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Erie: 'where's shanon and ferien'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I like if my body has to work to get nutrients out of the food. It makes me full longer.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ferien is cooking and Shanon is probably being dirty somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As long as there are no irritants in the food, working hard is good for the body.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Agree Ranrr.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, working hard to digest beef is good, working hard to digest gluten is bad.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Erie: 'you know that nearly all body odor is caused by preservatives in food?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, medium rare steak, steamed broccoli with cheese sauce, and boiled carrots....'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, it's caused by bacteria on your skin.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rare steak!  And boiled carrots.... meh'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fenugreek is not a preservative'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: '=j 3-'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Erie: 'that sounds so good right now roz'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'garlic is not a preservative'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Erie: 'or riz'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'your mother is not a preservative'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Erie: 'yet she makes me smelly?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Fiendish speaks the truth.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I can see some of this info in the docu being good, but most of seems full of shit.....cooking food can't be bad, since it makes alot of foods easier to digest.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Erie: 'sounds like quite the finedish'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and if you areworried about vitamins and minerals...take a damn vitamin.....'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most americans get more than the daily recommended dose of vitamins and minerals each day anyways....'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Vitamins are infused with nanobots the government uses to spy on you! *truth*'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Erie: 'bloody tap water'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Since we have been cooking food for at least a million years, we are adapted to it. Eating everything raw would probably be a bad idea. Not to mention that a lot of the foods we eat (and have eaten since paleo times) are poisonous without cooking.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Here's an idea: As long as your food is natural without chemicals, it's best to eat it however you like it prepared!'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plus the food doesnt sit in our stomachs all that long, unlike other animals.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'predigesting the food would be good....'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Saurkraut ftw!'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'I totally read that as "prestidigitating the food would be good"'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Predigesing lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if you get your food with Montezumas Revenge (from Mexico or South America) ...'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Erie: 'DIAHREA'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Need an extra hand in the kitchen?  Mage hand!'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Erie: 'get that pepto bismo'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pepto bismal sounds like a cure worse than the disease'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I use the capsules so you don't have to taste it'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'they have capsules now? We live in the future'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the ingredients, not the taste, is the scary part of pepto bismal'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My stomach cure is fibre and saurkraut. Always works.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'commercial fancy aspirin was converted to a poison by all the excipients in and coatings on the aspirin'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'regular non coated aspirin rules.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'decided to watch an IMAX docu on the ring of fire volcanic system instead....that raw food propaganda docu was depressing.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if everybody uses fibee and sauerkraut, won't be long until a "fibre and sauerkraut" resistant stomach disease happens along'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm,there are a little over 400 active volcanoes along the ring of fire.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, Zade, i think we already have a few actually. Doubt it will kill e.g. botulism.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'helicobacter pyloris, e coli '
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suspects that helicobacter pyloris is becoming resistant to cayenne redpepper (as more and more use redpepper in North America)
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone know the worlds tallest mountain ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Depends on how you define tall.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seems pretty simple, tallest mountain on earth.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not so simple'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then name both of them, the tallest one from the ocean floor, and the one from sea level.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'by most measures, mt. everest'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a high mountain in the ocean is called an island...'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'though it's only the fifth tallest if you measure from the center of the earth'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mauna kea is the tallest mountain/volcano in the whole world.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'from the ocean floor.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'any way lots of people think that K2 is higher than Everest.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'how are you defining "ocean floor"?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me understand something. If you stand at a peak and your altitue is 7 Km. doesn't matter where the bottom is, you are still at 7 Km altitude.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And why did you ask, and allege that is was a simple question, if you didn't think you were going to agree with the answer?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but just because I am at a high altitude, doesn't make me taller.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'it does if you spend a lot of time there, actually'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'someone that is 5'6" standing in colorado isn't taller than I am'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'depends on where the base of the object is defined'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the altitude where you are is the highest altitude you can reach by foot (whatever that means), then you are at the highest landmark.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'and how are you measuring altitude to begin with?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'higher altitudes are farther from the center of the earth, so have a slightly weaker gravitational pull. under lower gravity your vertebrae will space farther apart and you will be taller'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by barometric pressure :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos rapidly nods twice at The Jerk Fiendish, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'That's a poor way to measure it, considering the earth isn't completely round.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the earth is not round at all :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'pressure is also a terrible way to measure altitude'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, I might be old fashioned but altitude in my book is the height of an object in reference to sea level'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but that's arbitrary. Since sea leavel fluctuates.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'level*'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pacific or atlantic, high or low tide'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so does the sea bottom, for that matter.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The old definition of "tallest mountain" was based from the center of the eart. It was changed... some 150 years ago or something iirc.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I've been on private aircraft where the altimeter was calibrated to MSL. It was scary to land at -20 feet :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I remember something called Global Mean Sea Level is what they use I believe'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If I pick up a 6-inch rock from my backyard, and go place it on the top of mount everest, then you're saying that single rock is the tallest mountain in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Which is updated over time'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in fact, the pilot actually stuck his head out of the window to land :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'on K2, Leinei :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'K2 is not the tallest, just the most dangerous.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'by what measure is K2 the tallest?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'it's not the highest above sea level, it's not the highest from the surrounding features, and it's not the farthest from the centre of the earth'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you will get an argument about that, but not by me, since I am not an expert. From what I understand, the definition was changed and K2 came out on top.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the used a satellite and lasers to measure.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'm not making an argument about what measure *should* be used'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I just want to know what one was'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'neither am I, I am saying the used space-based laser measurements and K2 came out on top :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'on top of what?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as the highest mountain'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'List of tallest mountains, I'd wager'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'it wouldn't have been the closest to the lasers, if the lasers were in orbit around the arth'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'radar would have worked just as well'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'My neighbor's mother's cousin said the hill across the streen is the tallest mountain the world.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'that doesn't make it true'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'm not asking what tools they used to measure it'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so they made a mistake when estimating the height of mount Everest'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'm asking what measurements they used'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can't argue one way or the other, I am just repeating what I've read.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'read where?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'and I'll go read it, and perhaps it'll be more informative'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Nasa Geo team reports. I read about it a while back.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'at NASA.gov'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Sir Edmund Hillary going to be erased from the history books because K2 is higher than mount Everest'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The word Kilimanjaro doesn't appear anywhere on nasa geo's website'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '2,330 times on nasa.gov's'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I am not going to look it up again. It was a random read during a random search. But I do remember reading it. You can disregard what I said, though. No problem.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Shrugs, I've named the only three measures that I've seen, and by none of them is K2 the ultimate.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'm just curious as to what other measures there are'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'K2 has a cooler name, tho :D'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'in fact, it's not even close'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'unless you measure from the earth's center'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'then it's still 4th, but it's a lot closer'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Anaristos is conjecture trolling'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'and that's only because it's close to the equator'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how many feet or metres is the difference in length between the equatorial distance, and the polar distance, to the centre of the planet'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '42.72 km (26.54 mi)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'well, that's diameter'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'so, half of that'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And thus Mount Chimborazo is the fartest from the center of the earth, rather than everest'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mountain height is not measured from the centre of the planet'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Easter is a satanic lie. The real Easter is about the Lord Jesus Christ and his coming back from the dead to save us all.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, the mortality rate at K2 is 20%. That means if you go in  group of 5, one won't return. No way you get me to climb.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I only provided that as one of several possible measurements'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's also a 3-4% difference in gravity at the poles than at the equator'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sorry, but neither satan nor jesus exist. False argument, there.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'oh, sorry, 0.3-0.4%'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'math fail'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Easter is about the pagan mythology of chocolate easter eggs and chocolate bunnies'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Leinei I was going to say lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Jesus did exist Ranrr.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'at 4% difference it would have been the world's greatest tourist attraction :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus Christ is a mythology'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And if satan does not exist I'd like you to prove it. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'There was a historical Jesus, Zade. Do the research.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe he did, maybe not. But his life, as described, is taken from the description of the god Ra, thousands of years before. Which most likely is made up, as well.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yeah, Jesus was a man.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'absence of evidence can most certainly mean evidence of absence.  that's a poor saying.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yes Anaristos. Wheather he is your messiah or not is up to you. But he was a real person.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, his life was embellished somewhat by Paul, who had his own agenda.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the historical Jesus died around 90 bc'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There were probably more than 1 carpenter called jesus at that time.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Constantine did a lot to increase the myth :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I thought jesus died  around bce 33?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the mythical Jesus was born around 6 bc to 6 ad averaged to 0 AD'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, Jesus was a popular name.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so wa Miriam (Mary)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Jesus has a nice beard'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'so give or take what I said? :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the mythical Jesus christ died around 33 AD'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Oh yea rocked the beard'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the bluest eyes you can imagine. Such a model of ethnicity :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, 33 AD is probably wrong, more likely around 31 AD'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we can calibrate the time of his death since Jerusalem was destroyed around 41 AD'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where mythology is comcerned, a couple of years is debatable er moot'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, if I ever went to a star trek convention and was going to wear a star trek uniform....I would at least have a tailored one made.....show a little respect for yourselves people!'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '70 AD'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jerusalem was razed around 70 AD'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you know, as I said before. I have to take the existence of George Washington as fact simply because I am told he existed. I have no problem accepting that Jesus also existed by the same reasoning.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Which uniform from which series of star trek?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It really doesn't matter when some carpenter lived. He didn't do anything important anyway, except, possibly, start a cult. But, most likely, that cult was started by someone else.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, then. Forget 41 AD :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is no religion concerning George Washington, so the historical evidence is likely to be more factual'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Sounds like religion makes Ranrr MAD.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Way to downplay history Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Wasn't some slight possible of mention in the Roman records?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nothing really indicates from the literature that Jesus was instituting a religious movement separate from Judaism. His chief aim was to become High Priest and King, thus combining the two high offices of Israel.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'no wonder then'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Caesar did the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Isoephus ( c. 100AD) mentions him. From the oral histories of those who were alive when Jesus died.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only contemporaneous gospel would be that of John, the rest of the gospels were written by people who never met Jesus. '
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is no historical nonchristian evidence that Jesus Christ existed, except for the hearsay reported by (Eusebius through) Josephus'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I heard the book of John is the most academic? Cany anyone confirm?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'omg, a star trek transvestite......seen everything now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what you are saying that way back then there was as conspiracy to plant a fake Jesus in our midst 2100 years later.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'wow you need more cons in your life'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the gospel of John reads like Egyptian mythology'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, so he was out of his mind, what does that have to do with anything?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I think you could of sold the Book of John no better than saying egyption mytholgy'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the histories of what happened on 9/11/2001 reads like mythology also.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Been kicking around idea of actually reading bible, just because a man wasn't consider educated without reading it. And damnit I want to adhere to dated ideas'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Oh man did you read the report?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Christianity is a modified version of ancient Egyptian mythology'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Zade is trying to imply that there was a conspiracy to defraud future generations.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'it read like a novel initially I literally double checked it to make sure I got the original'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'and not a novel'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'In this debate: Atheisim= being enlightened'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Not the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'See I'm agnostic'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'now, such conspiracy did seem to exist, but Constantine was behind it. He was the one who ordered the religion based on Jesus to be normalized..'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos is trolling by attempting to put false words into alleged inferences by others'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'But what did Paul want? He was really pushing Christianity, his version.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is not falce, though the Council on Nicea, in 325 AD, Constantine shaped the religion we all now as Catholicism today.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'false*'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'know*'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'night, Wolfe :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those spreading Christianity were attemping to defraud the then current populace -- the intent to defraud later generations came later'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so why is that surprising and why does that imply that Jesus didn't exist. The man was dead, what it was done in his name was hardly his responsibility.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was money fame etcetera in religions back then - by the Constantine era there were at least umpteen versions of each sacripture (as reported by somebody back then)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you bother to look it up, you will learn that Constantine chose the Catholic church as the official one. Not for religious reasons, but for political reasons. Precisely because there were umpteen religions.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Was there ever an official "answer" whether the previous pope is still infallible now that he stepped down?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that fact is reflected in the deviations that occurred in the church which previously adhered to the standards of Judaism (after all, the Catholics of Rome were Jews). The changes reflected their desire to please Constantine.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The Pope is only infallible when he speaks regarding Church dogma. Since he no longer does that he does not need to be  infallible :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'if this was politics we'd be calling those weael words :D'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'weasel*'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and that idea of infallibility only date only dates back to the late 1860s'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Anything I could lookup relating to the change in infaliability?  Sounds interesting or just the obvious lmgtfy'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'look up Pius IX :) At that time the church was having a crisis of faith. That is how it was resolved :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Do you think the Federation as a Type 2 Civ and the empire from star wars a Type 3?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like The Culture myself :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pfft'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hmph'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most sanity in a debate conversation in months'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'so there'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dardezael is on a divine mission from 'God' Hoo-Ha.
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'monsanto act passed into law, montsanto cannot now be prosecuted as a result of harm caused by their GMO products. Their milk-boosting additive for cows also causes milk with puss and blood from the huge tumors it causes to grow'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'food aid given to africa is in the form of montsanto seeds that lock poor farmers into license agreements with montsanto, making them even more dependant'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the milk boosting additive causes madcow disease.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'causes tumors at least'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't want milk with blood and puss in it thanks'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if it did....it wouldnt be white.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the current gossip discussion should be in THIS channel'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you know where that's going to lead.  Several kids inking it with the word "Power" on it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hehe, yahoo has a caption for one of their stories that reads "Couple upset over pot raid".'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You would think if you got raided it is understood the criminal party would be... well, upset!'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'did they have pot?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they had several pots, they build a hydroponic station for starting seedlings for their garden.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and now they've got a receipt that says "No items taken"'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unjustified fishing expeditions by police sb illegal'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Obvious fact, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You are now the troll! Finally!'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Noegel is trolling about others allegedly trolling'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hothouse hydroponic vegetables (when missing rare minerals in the nutrient mix) are likely not as healthy as ground-grown vegetables'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I was grown in a lab too Zade.  They implanted a flagellum on my "chin"'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Personal PIC: http://library.thinkquest.org/27819/media/nucleus_flagella.gif'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Noegel, that sick repeated sexual innuendo is going to get you put on ignore eventually'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Unfortunately, it's not a sexual innuendo...'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Otherwise, I would go into detail on curse.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'debate 48   curse 66  -- larger audience on curse'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Thanks for the stat?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Stewing your food is unhealthy.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'jesus I do it all the time am i gonna die?'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't know.  I've been up for 24 hours and it was debated like 7 different times'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm just being a troll'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'Oh.  I like my crock pot.'
T3/r7/2013-03-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'please don't take that away from me too, maaan - it's all I got!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you are not going to be human, then you want -1 on dex and str. As in triton.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thanks to ethanol, the price of cereal has gone up over 50% in the last few years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Good, maybe it will make people buy real food instead.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm sure that Cesar Chavez was a great guy, but why is google featuring him on Easter?  Are they TRYING to irritate Christians?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't visit google normally, but i just went, nothing to do with him on there'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US or Europe?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'europe'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might be reginal... he's an american'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know how they cometimes have the stylized "Google" logo?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'power to the unions!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go to bed, rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'save your job!  Join a union!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'screw unions'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'never feel a need to preform at your job again!  join a union'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Soledad O'Brien is shit'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'force your job off-shore!  join a union!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she doesn't seem to have twigged that "independant fact checkers" and media companies (CNN) aren't politically neutral'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds like someone needs a history lesson.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'destroy the company that pays your wages!  join a union!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unionize walmart!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh sure, and Costco is ruined because it is unionized.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DOWN with the "low price garentee"!  join a union!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scrap your supermarket, buy locally'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'low price my ass, you pay for it in lack of quality and service.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whenever costco and sams club go head to head in a city....costco wins.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unions had a place in US history - zero debate there.  but today, it's all about greed... worker greed against corperate greed... but still greed'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'worker greed is just as bad because it often comes with lack of understanding of responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'costco opened up 2 stores in the houston area, and the starting wage is $2 per hour more then sams club.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you get a good health care plan.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when have fireworks been "vice"s?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh,headline: Germany spends $110bn to delay global warming by 37 hours'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'costco also gives a 5% discount for EBT'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's EBT?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'NM.. that's regional, not corperate'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'EBT = food stamps'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should ban EBT'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<nod>'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I mentioned it as a detractor'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia to ban adoptions by foreign gay couples'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you have to look to russia for moral compass, my irony meter just broke'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coldest easter sunday here in over 53 years'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no public documentation to suggest Barack Obama went to Columbia University 1981-1985'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'birther 2.0?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just wondering why there are so many complications'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'probably because most schools don't have public listings of alum rosters'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd that he's not in any yearbooks, classbooks, classmates don't recall him'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because he is an alien robot sent from the future to destroy americans by giving them healthcare?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm tempted to believe the theory that he was there as a foreign exchange student because his folks hadn't bothered changing his status after moving back to hawaii from Indionesia - why? funding and access benefits'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'secret muslim gay alien robot, ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I would never consider being in a college yearbook...getting your picture taken yearly is a normal part of elementary/high school life, college was just sign up and go to class...never "did stuff" as a class,no class trips, socials, etc'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when they went to do college yearbooks, I was absent. they charged for that shit.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find it bizarre that publishing tax returns should be seen as necessary qualification for a potential president, yet you shouldn't publish your qualifications'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'college isn't a qualification'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'life experience is'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're my surgeon for the day? glad to see your filed your tax returns up to do, let's do this'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't learn to be a good surgeon in medical school'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, abe, but it would be nice to know that you went and qualified'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you learn to be a good surgeon by being on staff at a hospital'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have the unqualified surgeon then ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd take an unqualified over an inexperienced anyday'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what richard griffiths said'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is why experienced midwifes are sought after'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fortunately, I live in a country where healthcare is available even if you're poor, so I'll take a trained and experienced surgeon, thank you.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Ranrr!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone better move there, then'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, the doctors I went to see had their diploma on the wall, not the transcript'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, healthcare is only available if you are a legal resident, not illegal. Big debate going on, tho.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are doctors are free, their treatments are not, and the waiting times looong'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not free, financed by taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That does make it cheaper than financed by insurance companies, though.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheaper, less available'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not really, no.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really yes'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Source?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'metered by cost/postcode/ideology'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only less available because there are no controlls on how it is used.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fucking live here is the source'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You live in sweden?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the first 2 visits are no cost, after that you pay a visit fee.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, but the uk is bankrupt, no wonder your healthcare sucks.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people who go to doctors for sniffles are the ones who freaking slow things up.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, and when it's totally free people bugger off to the doctor super-fast'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the UK healthcare system isnt exactly the best govt run system out there.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and living on the US/Canadian border was a good source...watching a ton of Canadians come to the US for healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no such thing as a best govt run system'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two things are mutually exclusive'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there should at least be a minimal fee for frequent visits that aren't occuring because the doctor said 'please come back in a week''
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Germany does it quite well, so does Japan.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, privatise the military!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'see, that's the thing I don't get...most people who have full healthcare coverage still don't bother going to the doctor...so why does that change when it's non-premium-paid healthcare coverage'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most hospitals and doctors in sweden are private, it's just paid for by government.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we routinely get german doctors, they're very good at murdering people'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'cheap health care services with a low cap is ok, and only leads to moderate overconsumption (depending on how you arrange access to specialist services)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I doubt people overconsume health care when it is tax financed. More likely to do if you are paying a shitload for insurance. I thinks.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK/USA could never afford German healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some do and some don't, ran'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, that's probably true no matter how it's financed.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'usually even when you pay for insurance you have a copay (of like ten bucks or something) per visit'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, Japan uses the copay system quite well, and all the prices are the same regardless of the clinic or hospital you go to.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Same in sweden. It's like 15 euro or so.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK hospitals have a nice habit of letting patients dehydrate to death'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it seems that the US finds the most efficient way to do healthcare, and then applies the exact opposite.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 3x the cost.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least you don't have death panels, and can get treated if you need it'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think US healthcare is the most expensive, but quality wise, it's like on place 37 (don't remember where I read this).'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no silver bullet, no ideal system, someone gets screwed whatever system you adopt'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the only thing expensive about the US healthcare system is lawsuits'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise everyone would be using the same system'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The legal system is a big part of this too, I suppose.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am in favor of reasonable tort reform.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like torts, especially apple ones'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think everyone should pay/have paid contributions into a health account that could be drawn on'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'together with sensible caps on costs of things to create a standard'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then people can have health insurance on top of that if they need'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yeah, and retirement accts have been so successful on that.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just sounds more complicated than just a regular tax system.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg 401k has 26,000 in it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then people haven't put enough in them'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Even insurance is just basically a tax system, it's just an opt-in tax system.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'maybe 401k isn't a very good way to save?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..I never paid attention to US pension tax breaks'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or pension contribution'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people my age won't have a pension of any meaningful size'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '401k (or my 403b) is savings from pre-tax dollars, nothing taxed until you withdraw, so it's a good way to do it taxwise'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the theory is you don't withdraw until you're old and don't get tax penalties'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the theory with private pensions here'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the issue is, despite all the advertising that government puts out to get people to save for their old age, they've forgotten one fact'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'due to epic incompentance on behalf of successive governments since the war, the cost of living in the UK is so damned high that no ordinary person can afford to save for a decent pension'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I know in Norway, even with pension contributions being from untaxed income, management fees have made pension savings inferior to plain fund investment, at least for anyone under 50 or so'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most employers who have company-run 401k/ira plans do a matching contribution...everyone should at least contribute the max-match amount (usually 5%)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'with the exception of some quite limited (2-4%) contributions to compulsory employer funded pensions'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, I've only done employer-sponsored plans, so I've never paid management fees'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and I'm allowing for that exception because I haven't checked the fee structure'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'employer-sponsored pensions have management fees'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typically'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not typically paid by the employees'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typically comes out of the pension pot, so yes, they do'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is no pension pot'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're not talking about pensions, we're talking about savings accounts'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we were talking about pensions, which are contributions that are typically used to buy units in funds'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pensions don't exist...'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I have a vested pension for which I've paid nothing ever (just 10 years of my life)...but they're nearly extinct, and pretty much no company offers them to non-grandfathered employees'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're talking about defined-benefit schemes then'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course they now don't exist except for the 1%, they're unfundable'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is why IRAs have become popular...401k used to be mostly a supplement to pension, so you'd have a pension and a 401k...currently it's IRA and 401k, both of which are non-pension retirement savings accounts'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the 1% don't have them'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest thing they can do to help pensioners is reduce the cost of living'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which they won't do because they want to dominate everyone and keep them in indentured servitude'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone who flees the plantation gets arrested'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd need to put 40% of my salary away in pension until i retire in order to get a pension of 25% of my salary, and thats assuming that it grows sufficiently to match real terms inflation (which is unlikely)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if it grows sufficiently to match inflation, then I'd question your math'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't question the maths, question the assumptions'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, the only important assumption was given'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is more likely is that the bond and market bubble is going to burst, it's going to fuck up pensions, and currencies will be devalued, making an already dire situation for people even worse'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully that will cause enough friction for people to turn on the bankers'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama signs executive order to create a commission to look at "nationalising elections administration"'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pesky states causing you hassle by voting in non-democrat party members? do away with the hassle of having to cheat the electorate by moving control to the feds!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can't there be background checks without registration?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there already are.  Granted, private citizens have to cover the costs.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can't there be, nationally'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they even have whole websites designed to facilitate them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for example, I needed a leaky faucet fixed so I paid for a background check on the plumber.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't really help check suitability for gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know why nobody is suggesting a national gun license scheme'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess your government is just fucked up by ridiculous partisanship paid for and pushed by vested interest'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what government isn't?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, get rid of them all'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'wish it was so easy tiger'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what have the romans ever done for us?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'roads'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'aside from the roads?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'aqueducts?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'aside from the roads and aqueducts? '
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A bright, shiny gold halo appears over Dispel Majic's head.
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'sanitation?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pensions'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doh, no'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'irrigation, medicine, education, health...and the wine'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'public baths'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'and they certainly knew how to keep the general order'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Romans had an organization fetish.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'keep public order, conquer a place, kill all men down to age 5'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'according to DHS memo, direction has been given that allow DHS to, without a warrant, search bank safety deposit boxes and confiscate any documents, gold, coins. It will be illegal for a bank worker to even inform the box owner of the search/seizure'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Italy's banks are seeing billions of euros flee the country'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'annd Obama booed at NCAA Elite 8 game in DC'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, he can join George Osbourne who got booed at the olympics'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Oh, if black scientists claimed that blacks were intellectually inferior to whites, you wouldn't argue the point. But since whites are making the claim, you move to support them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was pretty random'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's the issue?  I feel like this debate has been going for a while, yet the cahnel history is silent for the past 1.5 ours'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's on immtalk'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'thanks for the intel'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, where did you get that info that the DHS is violating the USa constitution by unjustified search and seizure without warrant and without notification'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems like a "carte blanche" for some in the DHS to rob anybody in the USA that they want on a whim'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I imagine that some of it likely comes from the patriot act'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Tigernuts is pushing for a groundswell to impeach Barack Obama for treason and violation of the constitution of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Butterfly cascade effect'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought he was in england'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can show, for one, who can IQ tests can be objective :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not sure where Tigernuts resides, with that anti-Democrat sentiment'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not sure of Tigernuts position on guns either: "pro-guns for the populace" but "nationally registered" (so they know where to confiscate) -- that's a contradiction'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not exactly... it's more 'appoligentic"... and perhaps a bit nieve'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the beliefe being that once they know where the guns are, that they will never abuse that information.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not at the instant of cloning. Or are you going to claim that the cloning process alters the result?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: '-'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'You are right, Kojiro. When a white criminal runs from the police he (white women don't commit crimes :>) gets caught.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'following this Debate conversation below SH is like the whole immtalk channel is on ignore'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and every once in a great while, the 'ignore' filter fails and lets slip a single, disconnected and out of context comment'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so far, Anaristos is looking kinda dumb.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but like I said... it's all out of context'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tigernuts is in England, yes'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Vonliege for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'For Vonliege (if he's still about) i'll make clear the idea. A gun owner license should be like a driving license - you apply to get one upon reaching adulthood, contingent upon having passed certain safety training and having proved you have appropriate storage. You pay you county a small yearly fee to maintain this registration and you update it when you move house (subject to a recheck for storage) It could have three levels, basic, advanced, dealer, to give some granularity in training requirements. You could add concealed and open carry flags on it as appropriate'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'It could have three statuses, "active, suspended, revoked". Suspended licenses would mean you can't buy/sell or carry in public, but could still have guns at home. Revoked would only be possible for those who a court has decided are psychotic'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The key thing is, you don't register the guns, you register the owner, so having a list wouldn't help the feds, since in such a case, probably half the country would have a license'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what about those too poor to pay the yearly fee '
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're too poor to pay a $10 fee, you can't afford ammo or the gun'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'street guns are more popular in that set, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can argue the same about a driving license'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fee should be set such that it just covers the cost of any paperwork, nothing more'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plus, no background checks or limits on selection.  If you can pay for it, you can get it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'easy for a seller to check the license to see it's appropriate'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to be hassled every year to pay a registration fee to be able to own a fire-arm is annoying'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably would be easy to fake, too'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every year? every 2 years, 5 years, however often would be sensible'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's more to keep track of address changes than anything'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'could even make it a rider on a drivers license or some other existing id card.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not perfect, but it's still better than what you have, and better than anything that is being suggested by your politicians'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer owning fire-arms with "no hassle" and "no threat of confiscation"'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you already don't have that now, zade'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and how many fire-arms i own or have: "none of your business"'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that would still be the case under a license scheme'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since you're not tracking gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I like being in a state that doesn't require a license to own :-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i'm lazy, and i dislike paying for the right to be armed'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a driving license does not track how many cars you own, or what type, only dictates what qualification you have for driving one'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dislike having to pay a license fee for owning a computer, but i still have to do it'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or watching tv'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or driving'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sucks to live in the UK then'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dislike having to buy insurance for my car whether i like it or not :-)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we do none of those except driving'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you would rather pay full price for repairs?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it looks like the watered down gun bill with just background checks will get the boot... republicans are looking to boot it'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even if the accident wasn't your fault?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the DMV analogy is flawed: there are (1) driver's licence, (2) the vehicle registration, (3) the vehicle insurance, (4) the vehicle towing insurance, (5) emissions test  '
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vehicle towing insurance?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not all states require insurance or emissions'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insurance that covers your own damage is not mandatory, hans'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a vehicle is usuall used frequently, a fire-arm may simply be unused for decades'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've never had collision/comprehensive/etc.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, if you are going to require insurance as being mandatory to drive, i feel the guvmint should be providing a minimal insurance at no profit'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even worse, you would rather pay full price to fix someone else's car?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't drive into it'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'between fog, rain, and wintry weather, you can't at all guarantee that.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing's guaranteed, but no claims in my 17year driving career'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kinda misses the point as usual though, we're talking about whether something is compulsory or not'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'car towing insurance -- car breaks down, the car is towed to where the vehicle may be repaired or stored -- around 100$ per year'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i happily buy car insurance on the grounds that i'm now of sufficient age that it isn't highway robbery'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however i feel for the young who suffer at the hands of insurance companies that have an enforced monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'too many people would be causing wrecks, without the money to pay for the other person's damages.  then nobody wins'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'jesus christ, so now you want high-risk drivers to be able to forgo insurance so that you have to pay full price for repairs to your car that weren't even your fault?!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a rural district, a car is almost mandatory'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, i want there to be, within a forced monopoly, to be a state provider to provide a minimal cost option for no-profit'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the case of young drivers this would be a policy that would be 3rd party only'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a City, a car is not required, but getting a decent job may be more difficult'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hmm, so lemme get this straight.  You want folks to be able to choose not to buy insurance but in the case where they choose not to they still have to buy insurance?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that's your idea of straight, i shudder to think what your idea of crooked is'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'government gets money from the people.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was pretty clear: If a government is going to make insurance MANDATORY, then it should provide a non-profit least cost option'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise, make it optional and let people sort themselves out'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and someone is going to have to pay for it.  Helloooooo, taxes!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not sure how much cheaper it would even be.  Still gotta pay the salaries of the people running the insurance.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can be self-funding, hans'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing is ever self-funded'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"non-profit" doesn't always mean cheap'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'just look at hospitals'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hospitals are not self-funded, they get money from the government, too.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the other option you've got is scrapping all the existing gun laws as is'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder how much money you guys could save by dismantling DHS'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and increase unemployment '
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't solve unemployment by having government hire all the people'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a large percentage of the population of India are bureaucrats that do very little other than be bureaucrats -- somebody calculated that the bureaucrats were totally redundant, and the whole bureacracy was a welfare scheme for bureaucrats'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's entirely believable if the UK government is anything to go by, also India has one of the most corrupt governments of any modernised nation'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, US banks made a profit of $32 billion from overdraft fees in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Banks are into Robbery'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'While I am an advocate of not overspending... overdraft fees shouldn't be $20 per transaction'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Maybe when you are a new member, but if you are a member for years, I would dumb it down to like $20 a day'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some.. many.... err most banks are highway robbery'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mine charges $1.50-$5 a day for being overdrawn'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I mean, if someone comes across hard times and needs some bank help for a day before payday, they should be charged so much'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nice, tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mine is $20 per swipe'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol like this girl on the news the other day was charged almost $1,200 in overdraft for $30 worth of transactions'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Shouldn't have bought 120 individual pieces of gum.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you have an overdraft arrangement that you then proceed to never use'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Leinei sometimes a woman just needs 120 pieces of gum.... ok yeah you're right'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was blatant fraud on the part of the Bank, charging 1200$'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, it isn't fraud'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'She agreed to it'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about "confiscating" 60% of the bank balance and giving it to the bank for working capital?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Con artist (using Noegel logic) "that was not fraud, the mark agreed to being duped."'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But the bank tells you beforehand that they are going to take your money if you mess up'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'looks like sound logic to me'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'There is no fraud'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people 'opt in' for overdraft protection....you dont HAVE to accept it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'used to be required '
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They tell you if you mess up, they are going to take X dollars for every X transactinos'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'well, depending on the bank, of course'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't mess up, then'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Pretty basic.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but overdraft protection costs extra'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Even without overdraft protection, most banks will send you text messages'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My bank doesn't charge for overdraft protection'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'if you overdraft'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is overdraft protection?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Leinei person again...
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My bank doesn't charge for overdraft protectionscalp'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If you go into negative dollasrs, the bank will charge you money.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it does if you make a transaction and cannot pay it....if you had opted in.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'overdraft protection == when you dont have enough money in your bank to cover a transaction - instead of declining it, they pay it, putting your account in to the negative, and charging you a service fee in addition to the amount paid'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you didnt opt in, your transaction does not go through, and it says denied at the register.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tiger: basically insurance against overdraft...the free ones are usually "we'll move balance from another account", the paid ones are basically an adhoc loan'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's where the bank will guarantee your payment to whomever it was going for instead of rejecting the transaction for insufficient funds.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Bank is defrauding customers by overcharging overdraf and  not simply stating "No funds available, transaction denied"'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pfeh, overdrafts are a standard feature of accounts here'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'ZADE!  You can cancel overdraft'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'then don't get overdraft protection'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'That's not fraud, zade.. especially when the alternative is a bounced check and a service charge for that.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's the law'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't "cost" anything to have, only to use'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'giggle* checks'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the service charge for a bounced check is what, less than the overdraft gouge'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You wish.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'smart people use a credit card anyways....and pay it off with 1 bank check each month.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only accounts that don't have overdraft facilities tend to be the ones given to tards, chavs, and bums'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yes, Zade, but people don't use checks anymore.  A denied debit card charge is zero'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i use checks'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'By people don't use anymore, I mean an enormous majority'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not often, granted, but i still use em'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of people still use checks.  Payroll, cashier's, traveller's, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I have used one check during my short adult life, and it was for a deposit on my first apartment'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they phase them out (been threatening it) i'll switch to cash for those transactions i would have used checks for'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Cashier's and travelers checks aren't daily use items.  Cashier's checks don't get denied either since they are guaranteed'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'checks aren't going anywhere'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'before checks, most people used money orders.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Hanslanda person again...
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of people still use money orders, too.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"using cash for transactions?!? -- are you training to be a terrorist!"'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'what did you pay the rent in? i want that paper trail....too much can go wrong'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if you're the US government, zade'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and lots of people pay to cash their checks, too'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My apartment only too money orders lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Too many..... bounced checks!!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel giggles.
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can't you pay your rent in cash?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'there is not enough of a good paper trail'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a receipt'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Most apartments won't take cash.  Not comfortable carrying $100,000s in rent on the first'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'many apartments don't have the office on-prem...'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i'd rather have the proof of the endorsed check'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like money orders, and cashiers checks.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something like rent you'd use a standing order, presumably'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'standing order?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regular automated bank payment'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If I make a high-dollar transaction, I would use a cashier check, since everyone's name is printed and hard to alter'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not most places, no'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'other than the ones which are essentially a check anyway'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'standing order is the standard way of paying recurring bills here'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free and instant'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'recurring bills for businesses that are designed to accept money that way'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pre-authorised payments in Canada'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for anyone with a bank account, abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'apartments aren't often that type of business'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'thats fine for bills, but i wouldnt be doing that to some average joe '
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for anyone with a bank account where the business is willing to give you their bank account information'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your landlord isn't willing to give you their bank account information, you're really happy to stay there?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for the bill-pay where you just tell you bank where to send the payment, you're still using a check, you're just not the one filling it out'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pre-authorised payments may be taken from either a Cedit-card or from a Bank-account'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really an argument about trusted vs non-trusted recipients'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i would not be giving out my bank info to a tenant. not ever'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you wouldn't let just anyone babysit your kids.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then in the UK you wouldn't get tenants'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you wouldnt let peewee herman babysit your kids ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He's great around kids, though!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel pouts. 
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in the US, a tenant wouldn't ever dream of asking for routing and account numbers...they'd be laughed off premises'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They would call all the current tenants and they would be ordered to point and laugh as you drove off in shame to Snooky's bar.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and identity theft is a $80 billion business in the US and growing.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I've never heard of bill-pay services where the business hands out their info.  It's always the other way around, the client has to give out theirs.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bill-pay (initiated by the sender, and at a fixed amount per month) may be slightly different to Pre-Authorised payments (initiated by the receiver and variable in amount)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right hans, for businesses which are hooked into the banks electronically already'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'nah, many will give you an account number. its a deposit only account'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Archimedes Eureka person again...
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'internet banking is dominant here'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therefore direct payment also is'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's dominant here in the US, too.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in fact, you get charged a fee for paper now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I was using an online bill-pay system before the Internet'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'oh it very dominant here too. i can even deposit checks via my cell phone'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only thing you need from a bank now is the ATM.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't trust banks further than i could throw them, though, so do the minimal amount of transactions through them'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '- h 100'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Don't even really need an ATM. Can just get cash back from the grocery store.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka nods at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'That's what I usually do'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'im more leary about that with all the card skimmers though'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strange that grocery stores are happy to give you cash back, yet treat you as a criminal if you dare pay with a $100'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'm using my debit card to buy the groceries anyways'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they have the guarantee from the bank for the cash back...the $100 may give them nothing'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I pay with $100s all the time, no one cares.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't live in a retarded state, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it can be a pain to spend $100 bills'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I need to get me a debit card.  They deactivated my ATM card for lack of use, and when I reapplied for a new one they never sent it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't even try to send me a debit as a replacement with a "we don't do ATM cards anymore, use this instead".'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but tbh, you don't usually get $100 bills unless you ask for them, when withdrawing reasonable amounts'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I tried to pay with a $500 bill once...and the cashier thought it was funny money. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tend to get $100 if you buy currency prior to travelling'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they don't make anything more than a 100 anymore, though.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't make anything bigger than 50 here'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I could see that, it's more efficient to stock more $100s for currency exchange'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, had someone deny me for paying with a $2 bill once.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you call the manager?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i have a few of those '
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I buy $50 in dollar coins every week, just to get them in circulation.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for local banks, they get new bills regularly enough that they'll just give $400 in $20s'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka giggles at Rizgoth's actions.
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'throwing a hissy fit over a $2 purchase is more of a NY thing.  I just took my money and left.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was prolly a young'un at the register who had never seen 'em before'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i get them as change from the post office and trasit machines'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '$100s are probably more common than $50s in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'need to get rid of the $1 bill....and just do a hard switch to $1 coins'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and recently we had someone pay with one of the old bills, took it all the way up to the store manager before someone realized it was good money.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no thanks, riz'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'id bet happier if they got rid of the penny'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cops came and everything, they looked like they wanted to smack the shit out of the dumbass who called them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or change the penny to 2 pennies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'old like ancient, or just a small-head?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it costs 1.4 cents to make a penny because of the high price of copper and zinc now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'old as in before the colorized changes.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i'd rather things just ended at .00 ;)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'they did that in canda recently, didn't they? started rounding up/down to eliminate the penny'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'we have a pizza place that does that. makes splitting the check so much easier'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go to your local bank and get some pennies....all copper pennies, or mostly copper pennies are worth 3-5 cents each.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, the easy thing with the pizza place is that they predo tax and make the values fit'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno, I think we need to bring the mill back.  Give the gas stations a real reason to charge 3 dollars and 69 9/10 cents.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can also get 90% silver quarters from the bank...each one is worth about $3.50'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My bank only hands out new pennies :('
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Which are about 98% zinc'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you need to buy them in rolls, not separated.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's been 30 years since pennies were almost all copper...'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why not just make them out of steel again?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bought pennies last week from my bank, and about 10% of them were mostly copper.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel slaps Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'BEcause that would be WAY too simple'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bought 5 rolls of quarters, and found 6 silver quarters.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'BEcause that would be WAY too simple'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'BEcause that would be WAY too simple'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oops'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, really, in WW2 with the metal shortages they made them out of steel.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so 10% of your pennies were over 30 years old'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I know you're serious and the answer is: If the solution is simple and cheap, the government won't do it.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how do you tell if they're silver?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Date'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Look a little different too'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when my grandpa died, he had over $5000 worth of pennies and nickels hidden in his garage.....from the last 60 years.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how the heck did ya'll never know about that?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'his garage was his. :p'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'volume-wise, that's a pretty big pile to keep hidden.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, I have jars of pennies in my closet, going to roll them up someday, and convert them to silver quarters.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You can fit $50 in pennies in a gallon milk jug'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, $6000 is only like 5 gallons of quarters'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'obviously more if it's mixed changed'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '120 milk jugs'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'if it's all pennies...'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'when I was child, our house flooded, and there was a gallon of pennies that got flooded.  Parents told me that if I cleaned and rolled them, I could get the cash for them.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'made $36 that day'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a $26 two foot long hotdog.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'someone's got a 3 or 4 footer, I think.  Uber-luxury trimmings, too.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those should be registered.... and you should have to share at least 6 inches with a homeless person'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '=P'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'are they organic?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'd do that, but then I'd probably have the bodyguard suckerpunch him in the gut right after so he pukes it back up.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyone here eat organic?  that's a good debate'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'organic is a sham.  Anything you buy out of a box, bag, or bottle is going to have some sort of processing to it.  Stuff just simply doesn't last long enough to stay on shelves long enough to get sold.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, a lot of organic products have silly expiration dates'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Like in a few days'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... anyone on the OTHER side of the issue?  I can't argue with that.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I buy organic if I'm going to consume quickly'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But for general groceries, I tend to pass'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody really has any time for organic, so they're going to take convenience shortcuts.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'True.. I can work from as short as 8 hours to up to 20'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the organic carrots (from south america) last longer than the commercial carrots in the fridge'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's not an organic versus processed issue.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you'd be very surprised how common it is for folks to use their refrigerator wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not to stir the pot too much... but I generally find that orgainic oriented people are more on the liberal side of the political fense'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so i'm liberal, eh'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is a bit of a contradiction....'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'slightly organic, slightly liberal'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you wanna legalize prostitution and weed, you're pretty much liberal.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really, I am for both of those, and am moderate.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the acrerage and agregan input required to grow X amount of organic product ranges from 1.5 to 12 times greater than for conventional proccessed/grown products... the result being less CHEAP (but proccessed ) food - end result, less food over all.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mainly for economic reasons though, not morality.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'morality has no bearing on anything.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I agree Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'legalise prostitution. do not legalise weed, unless stringently controlled and enforced as to when and where.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wait, not prostitution'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Just the marijuana'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all that will do is make the black market all that stronger.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and fuel billions to the evil doers.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the female prostitutes are going to sell their souls, ensure they are healthy and that they get all the money (not some pimp parasite)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'uhuh, pimps are just going to give up and get dayjobs...'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those huge cartels funnel marijuana, cocaine, meth and other drugs into the US because it makes them huge amounts of money...but the vast majority of people use marijuana, not the others.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so you legalize that one, and cripple the cartels.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'RIZGOTH!  Thank you'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The cartels would shrink in size dramatically'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And make my job safer and easier'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they wouldn't shrink.  First of all, the politicians are bound to fuck up the parameters so legal weed would just end up so gimped that stoners would still want the good stuff.  Guess who's growing that?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if weed is legalised, provide the marijuana in pill form, with a safe additive that changes the skin color (so the populace may tell which are high and not supposed to be operating dangerous machinery or vehicles)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then there's the whole high-life aspect of cartel life.  People who enjoy big money and loose women aren't just going to roll over without a fight, but who do they send the armies against when there's no defined opponent?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, have you ever smoked weed before Zade ?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"marijauna-cola - the pause that stupifies"'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at best, they'll find a way to own the market again, at worst they'll learn that government puppets aren't enough anymore and will start bashing in doors.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade avoids injurious lung substances
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then there are the nutjobs who think they'll just go around the big players and maybe steal a few plants or something.  Cartels know how to deal with dumbasses who steal their shit.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers smart-drugs to stupifaction-drugs
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'excuse me, but if marijuana was legal....most users would grow their own, 1-2 plants for personal use.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that would destroy the market for cartel weed, which is already inferior in quality.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'carrots are legal, and most folks get THEM in the grocery store'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'legalising weed does not mean legalising personal weed plants'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'People don't grow their own tobacco either'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<nod>'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or their alcohol'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'legalise weed in pill and liquid form, increase the illegality on smoked forms'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and yet you can produce both yourself for your own consumption within limits.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also increase the penalties on being impaired intoxicated on marijuana while operating vehicles and dangerous machinery'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people who smoke weed tend to not drive, and when they do they drive about 5 mph.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i am able to smell when somebody in a house upwind is on a drunk binge, or puffing lung pollutents'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'both tobacco and distilled spirit laws vary widely from state to state'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so no smoking the maurijauna in houses or public locations or anywhere where the exhaust is likely to reach those that dislike marijauna'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'personally, i'd prefer to euthanise marijuana addicts'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they should drink alcohol instead, I agree. We want a wholesome populace.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I am glad that you are officially claiming that marijuana is addictive. Now those who claim otherwise can shut up. An authority on the subject has spoken.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I admire you for being willing to kill someone because you don't like their behavior. Jesse James would be proud of you.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'drink Coca-Cola instead (from glass bottles)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'this is a predatory planet'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do what God requires, or be euhanised'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oooo Zade Mexican Coke is yummy'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do what God requires, or be euthanised'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But only believe in voluntary euthanasia'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "parable of the wheat and the cockle" is likely the reason that god procrastinates'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, considering tobacco and alcohol kill many many more people then marijuana ever has in recorded history.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if somebody wants to kill themselves without harming others, that is okay'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe we should euthenize morons '
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos peers intently at Zade.
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'high people on marijuana do not get behind 4000 lb vehicles and ram into families, killing them all.....but alcohol drinkers do every day.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if somebody wants to harm themselves and harm others in the process, that is not okay'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'god is procrastinating because he's trying to scratch that itch in his crotch. Godly itches take aeons to scratch.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some moron said something about euthanising morons  ;)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, since you are still alive I thought it would be safe to emulate you.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apparently the "parable of the wheat and the cockle" indirectly protects some morons, at least in the interim'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos reaches down and scratches himself...  Now he looks VERY happy. 
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there was a reported case of a train engineer high on marijauna in charge of driving a passenger train involved in a train disaster'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and there are hundreds of thousands of reported cases over the years of drunk drivers killing people.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a passenger train weighs far more than 4000 lbs'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it is one incident, if it happened.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when alcohol was illegal, more people died from alcohol poisoning, then when it was legal.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the marijauna guy was "caught" because the disaster happened'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'scary when i go to an airport and see the pilots in the lounge drinking alcoholic drinks '
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that better be an after-drink, not a pre-drink'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I know several people who can drink a whole case of beer in a day and not show any signs of impairment.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: '50,000,000 million fucking babies got aborted in the last ten years, 0.4 percent were from rape and incest, so shut the fuck up'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'sorry wrong channel'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'what kind of rape?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no, right channel'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'legit rape or illegit rape?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'all kinds'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'illegitimate, of course, if it were a legitimate rape the magic womb would have spat it back out'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'i wonder if it makes magic rape-babies'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'most abortions happen spontaneously without effort when the fertilized cell never attaches to the uterine wall. We call this miscarriage. I blame god, personally.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'im talking about legit abortion'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'oh ho ho, "legit"'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Fiendish'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I can add the word legit abortion to my list of phrases or words to wake up the MUD'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'you know like the kind where the doctor takes his hands, and pulls the baby out by its feet you fucking people are dumbasses, so all you liberals, fuck you'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'not even bothering about the difference between a fetus and a baby, how many abortions actually involve pulling a fetus out by its feet?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'dude, not really coherant.  are you crying?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i am saddened that animals require to be killed to feed humans'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I love the fetus protectors who want the woman to come to term, but when it comes down to helping her raise the child, they flip her off. Great moral standing :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Zade, animals die to feed everything'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are safe, Zade. You are not good feed :>'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'this is a predatory planet'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'doh'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'actually the kid goes on welfare.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And so is every planet with life.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the universe is predatory. It has to be since it is a closed system.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so abortion, an age old practice,  is natural'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for once Zade you said something worth hearing :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Zade you were talking about killing animals'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, children are animals. Or are you claiming that humans are not?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the perspective of God, humans are animals'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'from my perspective too :)'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I was responding to his statement on how killing animals to feed humans is sad'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't think we eat human fetuses...'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'some people eat placenta'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Or maybe the abortion doctors do too!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Placenta isn't a creature'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'neither is a fetus'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'but I digress'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'hey a human fetus is still a human being'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'tea - they make placenta tea'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the world is overpopulated with humans'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'i think ghost was right'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'are you trying to enlighten us, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't mind aborting fools until they become coherent of thought.  Unfortunately, I don't know of an accurate way of measuring that yet'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'maybe not to the fullest extent, but still'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I agree with ghost too'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'long term memory formation doesn't really begin until about 3 years old. seems like a perfectly fine threshold'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm not talking about long term memory functoin.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You slap a baby, it's gonna cry and think you're mean.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'my parents would love it if they could put me back sometimes i'll bet'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, a blastocyst is not sentient.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'mine started at about 2 years'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'seems to me like a necessary part of being human'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '50% of all lower income black pregnancies end in abortion now. That was always the true purpose of Planned Parenthood. To kill people.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'in the us'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'US'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so either benignly reduce the population of humans, or the populution of humans shall be reduced (say) harshly, unless somebody comes up with a benign viable working alternative '
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'abortion is just anothing form of sacficingour children on false altars'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'what is yoursource, Snooky?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sacficingour?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He's drunk shh'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no "the man" wanted to make sure minorities stayed that way, right snooky?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'abortion is the elimination of the unwanted unborn '
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'shut up, i forgot to but a space between sacificing and our'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, if the "minorities" got up and made their lives better, we'd be a lot better off *oops*'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'Snooky is correct. planned parenthood's original founder had a master plan to get kill off black people. they still do good work, though. It's kind of a weird catch 22.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'if you dont want children, i have a soluion DONT HAVE SEX'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'helping poor people have access to birth control means the generation of fewer poor people'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: '"that's correct" oh that's source of all.  No, it's probably not.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is a dumb solution.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, even married couples should sleep in separate beds if they can't afford more children'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'solution is a generous way to describe it'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'in the US being poor has significant racial bias'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'prohibition did not work, and sex abstinence is not going to work'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Majic, duh, people don't like having sex'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'telling people not to have sex is worse than telling them not to eat, since the drive to procreate is stronger than the drive to survive.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'so wear a condom, if it breaks, HAVE THE CHILD'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cheaper to use injectable contraception.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'being poor has status bias not just racial'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'this is a sexually-addicted predatory planet'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, have a child that you can't afford and watch it grow up robbing the ones you already have of resources'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'LiarLiar: can I just punch my wife in the stomach instead?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or just give it away, that's the easiest, there are loads of people waiting to adopt poor kids ... as long as they're white or asian, sorry, missed that part'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not so much sex-addicted but the urge to reproduce is higher because you can always make offspring even if dying of starvation'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not quite, noegel, but close. anorexics do stop menstruation after a while.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'carrying a fetus to term is a hell of a lot of work to just give it away. fucking sell that shit'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yikes!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'the big equalizer - we can all fuck'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well... not everyone'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but you have to be incredibly low body fat before that happens, generally under 10-12%'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'why are people so racist these days, i dont like obama cause of his polotics, but all my bros hate him cause he isnt white'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'a baby is basically worth its weight in gold'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I was gonna say some more but I forgot not curse channel'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'debate is curse'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic sings to Queen Bee Noegel, "Shut your fucking face uncle-fucka! You're a boner biting bastard uncle-fucka!"
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'see, you can do curse socials :D'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'WOWOWOW'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I have wood now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Where do you live LiarLiar where racism is so prevalent?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I know a lot of people who hate Obama because they hate his policies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'colorado'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'Potheads.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Do they hate Hispanics and Asians too?  I was wanting to go ski there next winter.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'i fucking know!!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the world is too overpopulated to bring unwanted fetuses to term and then hand them off -- also those unfetuses are genetically defective in that the parents were sexual addicts and either too poor or unloving'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are also a lot of people who hate him for stupid shit instead of his policies.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'no, for some reason we are coll with them...'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go obama go !'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'most people hate him because of one thing.  Lies from the right.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'i dont see why we dislike the black race'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I know some people who claim to hate obama's policies. it just happens to come across as racism because they do things like use racial slurs.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'if only everyone could be honest'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Blah, racial slurs don't offend me'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'he isnt all that bad'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cloudkicker: 'and yet when we talk about how GW Bush Jr. is from Texas no one calls that prejudice.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'he just needs to work on his shit, thats all'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'imm -h 20'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'GWB is from Connecticut. Let's be clear.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cloudkicker: 'Obama isn't from Africa, GW isn't from Texas. My analogy still stands.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'GW was a sub par presidential candidate and president'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'i still want to see his birth certificate... his real one'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Who cares about Obama's birth cert... the damage is done'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic rolls her eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why do you want to see his 'real" birth certificate?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what damage?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'so we can prove that he cant be in'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'the damage to his credibility'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to match Michelle's "real" SS number exposed by hackers.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'now I understand this whole conversation a lot better'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'no one wanted to see any of the previous President's birth certificates, 'real' or 'fake''
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you ever wonder why that is?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'the state of hawaii says his birth certificate is real. I'm not sure what "real" one would satisfy you now.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cloudkicker: 'I heard President Lincoln didn't even have a birth certificate.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the only 'real' one that would satisfy them is a kenyan one.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) LiarLiar: 'he was born in a hospital that wasnt built yet... nope not suspicious at all'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'LiarLiar: which hospital wasn't built yet?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why did they look into it in the first place?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'answer that fundamental question'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'because "they" are mean-spirited'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'there is no other answer'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Republicans hated Clinton'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I want to know what hospital wasn't built'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they never checked his birth certificate though'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'People are such meanie weenies'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'The democratic party tends to lead with a compromise.  I think it scares the conservtives.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I once seen a youtube vid stating that Egyptian mummies can be cloned and Obama and his wife and children are clones of mummies. And I was like lol bullshit until it showed me an ancient statue of a Pharoh that looked like endgame Michael Jackson. Man I wish stuff like this was true sometimes. Way better than debating gay marriage.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'I'm not sure that a player named liarliar will come up with concrete facts'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'as far as I can see, the hospital he was born in was built in 1890. Good luck saying he's like 200 years old.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'especially when they don't exist?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the email forward had faulty info, who could have known'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, it was called the name that's on his birth certificate between 1931 and 1978'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the birth was announced in the newspaper'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Vampire Obama'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Another reason to hate him'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'email is your first issue.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it takes a real suspension of disbelief to think it is some elaborate hoax'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Too bad the government is too unorganized to handle elaborate hoaxes'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'when he was born there was no email.  How many people here work at IT?  How many records are online?  we all know that number is very very small.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cloudkicker: 'i saw an awesome video  about how Ferris Bueller's day off is really a fight club type of thing, and how Ferris is actually Cameron's Tyler Durden, and the whole movie is just him having conversations with himself. It changed my  life.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what do they gain Noegel?'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'YEAH Cloud I seen that too, I need to watch that movie again,'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The world!!  And aborted fetuses souls'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'not sure if serious'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I saw that same thing, but applied to Fight Club.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Souls power Vampire Obama's presidency, of course'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm not'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: '"I seen that" pretty much summarizes it right there then.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't think pretty summarizes it at all.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It does, it does...'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't think pretty summarizes it at all.'
T3/r7/2013-03-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Astronomers have stumbled upon a tremendous hole in the universe. The cosmic blank spot has no stray stars, no galaxies, no black holes, not even mysterious dark matter. It is 1 billion light years across of nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That would be the Mothership.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh, they noticed that?  I'm so embarassed.  I took a bite out of the universe. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Stealth field.  That is all.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You have a huge mouth, Jhav.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'isnt nothing, something ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is worthwhile listening to if you want a historical take on the current financial problems: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Zi1g_PmtQHA'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(podcast)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Australia-China trading to ditch US dollar as trade currency'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'they probably should.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I wonder long it is going to take before Mr and Mrs America wake up and realise that the rest of the world threw them overboard 10 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as the American government + banking/military industrial complex threw the American peoples overboard 50 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the american people have become worth much much less to those institutions.  I'm "an american people", and It breaks my heart to see the worth of american people destroyed by welfare, indicipline, permissiveness and food stamps.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The american imperialism doesn't bother you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it always bothered me, but it was never the american people'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'founding fathers always warned against imperialism since that's what they fought to eradicate'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imperialism started in the early 20th century, about the same time that the federal reserve was created, coincidence?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't see or care how they are related. I just worry alot about the US wars in the world. Especially with the north korean crisis.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wish the US had left south korea a long time ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should see or care, if you don't understand history you haven't got much chance of understanding how you got to where you are now'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or how to prevent it in the future'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's just that it is an internal thing to the US. '
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imperialism?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I can't care about all the internal problems of the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, the federal reserve.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, no, it's not an internal problem of the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a symptom of an internation problem'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'international'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe, maybe not.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'll let the conspiracy theory nuts in the US worry about that one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel goes nuts.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't want to worry about that, what DO you want to worry about?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't -get- bigger than the world economy'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'World War III'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you want to obsess instead over the legality of gay marriage? the pope washing people's feet?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'between who?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, depends on what china and russia does.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does in reaction to what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yessss I bet a friend earlier that gay marriage would be brought up at least one before 5am and it was 4:59 when you said that thanks'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'North Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise N Korea is a distraction issue....'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, I don't.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you need to realise that it is just that. They've been banging wardrums since the 1950s, they are not a threat to anyone except t hemselves. Their military is largely 50 years out of date, 25% of their population is in perpetual starvation'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but all that is needed is that they get one nuke away, and WWIII could be upon us.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a distraction to keep your attention away from the mass theft of the US's wealth by global bankers who have inflated and inflated and inflated the markets after 2008 when they helped themselves to nearly $1tn of tax payers money'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't care about the US's wealth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't get one nuke away, they don't have a viable warhead, or a reliable delivery system, and if they did, it'd never make it's target'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't even generate enough electricity for their people, ffs'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I hope you're right.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they IMPORT everything'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wouldn't have to make it to the target... it could blow up befor it left the NK border... just the EXISTENCE of such a capability would TERRIFY the victim-minded world'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're like one of those little yappy dogs, make a lot of noise, but can be splattered with a foot'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Still, I worry more about that than about the US economy. '
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just it, vonliege, fear, and pointless fear at that, there's far more fearful things in the world being carefully ignored'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Even if they failed an attack, I fear what the US would be to respons, and how russia/china would respond to that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as the huge arms build up by the DHS'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US's handling of NK recently has been rubbish, i'll agree'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as has the UN'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto Iran'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It would probably be best if the US withdrew all military that is not on US or Nato soil.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there has to be a boogie man to blame, to use as justification for spending and control, if it's not Al-Quaeda it's patriots, if it's not Iraq it's Iran, if it's not Russia it's North Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Might solve the financial issues too :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't you see how they lazily move the target to something else once an old one has used up it's usefulnessx?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, that's obvious to anyone with half a brain.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the smoke and mirrors of politics'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then to end it, you need to get to the root, and the roots are in wall street and the global banks, which you cannot seperate from the federal reserve'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as the federal reserve ARE the global investment banks that sit on wall street'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you say so.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a say so, it's a matter of record - go look up the major shareholders at the federal reserve'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sorry, don't really care. It's up to the US to solve it's internal problems.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an internal problem'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US federal reserve is a US problem.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If the US was stupid enough to put the control of the money supply in a private company, they have to fix it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these players that you assume (wrongly) are an internal problem, are the people who dictate US foreign policy as well as foreign policy across europe and BANKROLL these wars that you are flustered about'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nothing anyone outside the US can do about that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but it's still an internal US problem.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a world problem'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that originated in US and Western Europe'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It may affect the world, but the problem comes from and must be solved by the internal US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with that only insofar as the only player likely to be able to solve it is the USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who else could, since it has to do with the US?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Western Europe would need to throw off the EU to fully kill it'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two are intertwined at the top'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guys in the USA would need to seriously look at either re-appropriating their politics or having some for of massive change'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see precious little sign of that in the right, and absolutely no sign in the left'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and those who are fighting for it are being labelled extremists'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Have you ever considered that you may be wrong and that's why you are considered an extremist?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just because you think you are right, doesn't mean you are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyone who is passionate about their position, and on the "other side of the issue" from you gets labeled as an "extemist", and it's a cop-out'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you challenging anything i have said?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't have the knowledge to do that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But I am not saying you are right.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you really ought to go learn'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am not much of a conspiracy nut, so, no thanks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Zi1g_PmtQHA'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an interview on an economics forum by a former director of the OMB, US representative and financier'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will hear similar things coming out of any experienced economics veteran'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe so. Not the same as all wars are caused by global banking.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you're doing is the equivalent of having your house burn down, but telling the fireman whose broken down your door with an axe to pull him out that the fire isn't real and that he's a conspiracy theorist, while at the same time you've got your eyes closed and are ignoring the smoke'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but by all means, worry about North Korea if that makes you feel happier'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were me, i'd have ripped up the sanctions on N Korea and Iran and stopped baiting themn'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And what you are doing is selecting what evidence you think fits your hypothesis and drawing the conclusions you want from them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is the evidence i've discarded?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Economies come and go. Most countries are bankrupt throughout most of history. Doesn't matter in the long run.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a piece of evidence that i've discarded, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, just an observation.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these failing economies of history aren't down to overstretch, resource depletion, catastrophic events, or just implosion due to decadance'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'noooo'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they just fall apart on their own :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We all know the financial systems of the world are fucked, and that most of the world is bankrupt. Nothing left to worry about, really.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, picked up 2 gallons of raw milk yesterday.....makes great chocolate milk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now we've got you to the defeated point in the cycle of denial'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, glad to see there's some movement'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But I am optimistic that the problems can be solved. I am less optimistic about the wars of the world, things just seem to get worse. And I don't blame global banking for that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you think that the problems can be solved?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with raw milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The financial systems will be solved with hard work and the occasional smart person.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As for the wars, I see no solution.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spit and bailer twine'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Either the EU or the US may need to go bankrupt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno, maybe you could get someone to pass a law to fix it or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Officially, that is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing you will need ask is: What will happen when the bonds bubble bursts'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A lot of people will lose a lot of money, I guess. Just like any other bubble.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So many bubbles, so little time to care.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There is always a financial bubble somewhere, who has the energy to care?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pensions will be largely wiped out, it will require the massive wiping out of government size, there will be a large spike in inflation, there probably be widespread shortages'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably civil unrest in the big cities, brown outs, thefts'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not the first time, not the last.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and there will always be sellers, and buyers, except the buyers will be getting great deals.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vwEiB7LxzY&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, anyone with land and resources will be fine, provided the government don't come and yoink it like they did in the 1930s'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only solution for any bubble is to let it burst. Can't really do anything else, so there is no need to be upset about it. And maybe sell.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there becomes a collapse, the government invokes martial law and suddenly all your means of production are taken over by the state'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt didnt take land in the 30s, they paid for it and built dams'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they took the gold, rizzer'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't happen this time as there's no gold standard, but they could take the land'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and those dams created much of the modern wealth from the 40s to 60s.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Could happen. Good thing I don't live in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it could happen anywhere, ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. But my country is currently not bankrupt, at least :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just american is the last place you would expect it to happen, given it's history'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the gold was consficated because the gold needed to be rebalanced....you cant have gold selling for $6 an oz one day, and then artifically change it to $20 the next day with so much of it in public hands.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not bankrupt, must be Singapore'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'confiscation is confiscation, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'inflation would be out of control if it did.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'History? Which history? It's too young to have any history.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it wasnt confiscated, people were paid for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was confiscation'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any time you are forced to hand over something for significantly below market price, that's confiscation'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fair market price is still fair market price.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't fair market price'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except it wasn't because they were devaluing the dollar'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by definition it wasn't fair market price'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A country will do what ever is needed to fix a broken economy. Private ownership has been wiped out countless times. That's why wars are good for bankrupt countries, it's a nice excuse.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the equivalent today is cyprus's bank balance haircuty'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you guys are just mad because you didnt think of the same thing to save your economy and make it stronger. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a few minutes go you were berating wars and getting worried about North korea, who can't even manufacture cars, starting a war, now you're welcoming them as a vehicle of financial renewal'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're all over the place ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not welcoming, just stating a fact.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one can deny that paying fair market value for the gold at the time of confiscation brought about the longest period of economic growth the world had ever seen, and it still continues.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But isn't that what debates are for, changing opinions of others? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course building up the infrastructure also helped.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plus wwii'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'north korea had its chance of being saved, now the chinese will have to do it, cause the US is not going to.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'economic growth was not predicated upon the confiscation'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe japan should help, they are a major cause of the current state in korea, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of the economic growth of the last two decades has been unreal growth caused by asset inflation'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and dodgy economic vehicles'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting to note that the cypriot president's family transferred tens of millions of euros to a bank in London days before the deposit haircut agreement was made'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insider trading is a way of life for the 1% that operate within global corporations and the world's governments'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Without fanfare, China passed the United States in December to become the world's leading importer of oil  the first time in nearly 40 years that the U.S. didnt own that dubious distinction. That same month, North Dakota, Ohio and Pennsylvania together produced 1.5 million barrels of oil a day -- more than Iran exported.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will be interesting to see how US politics change in the world as we continue to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if you let the liberals shut it down under the guise of being "earth friendly" in the fight against global warming'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, not liberals "fake liberals"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't want to offend real liberals'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fortunately most of that oil is on private land, and people prefer jobs to fake liberal rhetoric bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you'd like to think that'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, the bulk of people live in these big cities and more of them are depending on welfare, and therefore will outvote you'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's largely how you got to where you have today, just as it is where the UK has got to where it is today'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, not many people want those oil and gas jobs, even though they pay quite well, mostly because of long hours and being away from family for so long....but it isnt meant to be a lifetime thing unless you have few connections and want to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'working on a drill team can easily earn you $100k or more a year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Use that money to pay down debts, start a business, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll be for the able bodied of you ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all this new texas oil has turned almost all the towns in west texas into small boom towns.....and the only reason the other towns have not joined is because the oil drilling hasnt reached those towns yet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you need to collectively try and maintain texas as a free market libertarian/right wing state and not let it get polluted by the socialists, otherwise you'll see all that cash disappear into the pockets of a handful of rich politicians/bankers, and the rest into welfare'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, there are also thousands of downstream jobs also that pay quite well.....like walmart in north dakota paying $15 an hour starting, or mcdonalds paying $17 an hour, waitresses making $300 a day or more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could be a warehouse clerk in the oil and gas trade and make $18 an hour.....high demand for workers is what raises wages....'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You dont need the govt to impose min wage if you create a pro business energy economic plan'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the free market will do it for you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone here is doubting that'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'energy and infrastructure is a beginning point...we learned that lesson once before and now technology will allow us to do it again, except this time we need to do it smarter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, if you're allowed'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'millions of people who want to buy a new truck, or a new bike, or new clothes, will do it, even obama is realizing that since the last state of union had just as much time on oil and gas as renewables.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a shame he's pissed so much of the country off with his dominating centralisation of power effort'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why obama pissed me off so much, promised much, delivered the entire opposite'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'expansion of oil ans gas will allow the US to spend more on renewables, which will be good for the later future.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his administration is now just a glorified social club and rubberstamp for vested interests, he's a puppet'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well of course he is, he is the president...he doesnt make law, he can only suggest changes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'congress has all the power.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's not strictly true now, is it? he can act via his agencies'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once they start doing stuff and get away with it, a precedent is set'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only by executive order, and presidents dont like to use executive order, which is why they are becoming less common with each president.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't need executive order to tell his agencies to do things in a certain way'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those agencies are still bound by the rule of law which is made by congress.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'states under his control will be used as proving grounds for unconstitutional policies, such as NY'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all those agencies have budgets that are overseen by congressional leaders.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, only if congress calls them out on it, which either they don't do, or they take so long doing doing it that the damage is done'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why you need good people to take back the senate and congress'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the list of good people there is tiny, what, maybe a dozen all told?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at the montsanto protection act that got passed just recently, i mean wtf? why didn't that get struck down?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what were they thinking? were they asleep? drunk? or just plain fucking stupid?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because you can't sue a company based on quasi bullshit science that does not exist...that is why'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 20 years we will know.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because it was hooked into other bills that were necessary :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's part of the problem, majic'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys need to stop compromising :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, I agree about hooking crap together that's not at all related'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am in favor of tort reform for gmo, there is no real science proving that gmo foods are dangerous.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'montsanto RUNS the EPA'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's immense science proving that gmo foods are dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily directly to health, but to the ecosystem'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of quasi bullshit science based on emotional propaganda is more like it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it depends on what you mean by GMO'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pretty hard to publish when all the funding is directed in the opposite direction'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like global warming.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global climate change is real, but global warming is just bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'global warming was always a dumb name for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can illustrate the difference by pointing out two different people who are doing GMO research. The John Innes institute near me is an academic research institute funded by charity and government that does GMO research looking to alleviate the world's ills not for profit'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Montsanto do GMO research to create a monopoly market based on their IP'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who do you trust to do GMO researcH?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and selective breeding of crops is not going to kill you, nature has been doing it for billions of years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we just sped it up a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'selective breeding, no.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're not talking about selective breeding of crops'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but that is not what people talk about when they talk about gmo'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're talking about splicing genes from different families/species of plants together to produce a plant that produces it's own weedkiller'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure we are, adding a gene to a crop to make it stronger and seeing what happens is a good thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'selective breeding is not going to produce genes from one species spliced into another'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'selective breeding is not what Montsanto (or JI) do'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well, since we have not exactly been here all that long, we have no proof to say otherwise :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who knows how proteins entered the lifecycle of other lifeforms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like the whole global warming thing never happened. You fuck around with ecosystems you're letting yourself in for a kicking. There's a reson why most of the EU banned GMO until extensive long-term research was done'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you see the cancer, diabetes, and neurological disease rates spike in the USA compared to the EU in the next 10-20years, you'll know what caused it :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those are bad diet related diseases.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same bad diet the rest of us has'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or unclean environment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same unclean environment the rest of us have'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, your diet is not like the typical american diet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they gave up measuring and giving out air pollution alerts in London this year because the rate never came down off the top of the chart'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's largely the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all i can say is that where possible i'll avoid GMO and eat organic, trying to source my food as locally as possible'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't do it well because of cost restraints'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love that tasty gmo corn I roast every week.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, I dont buy gmo corn from the store...I buy locally grown at the farmers market :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'organic naturally ripened corn grown using natural fertalisers on soil that isn't fucked up will taste better'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see? fucking hypocrit :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod :('
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'locally produced, eggs, milk, cheese, veggies, fruit, meat, pasta, bread, the list goes on and on.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'locally made honey'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much in the way of local honey here - Montsanto killed off all the bee colonies with their fucking chemicals'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'texas has few farmers markets, except in Austin, but it has tons of roadside stands selling family products.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'elsewhere they've been shutting down farmer markets and co-ops, particularly in California'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EPA abusing their powers to ensure a monopoly for the big agrocorps, essentially'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the biggest example for people to look up was the case of a company called Rawsome '
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Raw milk around here is $8 a gallon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ordinary milk here is $8 a gallon'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you want raw goats milk it is $10 a gallon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and ordinary milk is blood/puss filled irradiated bollocks basically'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably why there's been such an explosion of dairy-intolerant people'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ordinary milk here is $3.29 at walmart, with no rBGH,'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'bgh has actually proven to be counterproductive in most cases, cuts off the lifetime of the cow, problems with mastitis, etcetera. '
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, many cases'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Raw milk is illegal in sweden. Stupid politicians.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but they know better then you do !'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts cackles gleefully at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are a bit hissy over it here, but you can still get it provided you live near to a farm that produces it (which I do not)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a gmo created tomato actually won the award for best tasting tomato in a sanctioned competition.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the first time an heirloom tomato didnt win.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'U.S. firm Cheniere Energy last month signed a 20-year deal to export enough liquefied natural gas to the British utility Centrica PLC to heat 1.8 million homes starting in 2018. The first pact of its kind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'can we talk of GOT n other stuff here then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'OH SNAP, THE DEBATE CHANNEL'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No. =o'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'get out of the channel so I's can talk of the fail that is Jon Snow'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... God doesn't make for a very good debate.  everyone is too polorized on the issue'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's zero chance of "winning" by either side'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'I'll win in the end when all you sinners are burning hell.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'well theres a chance'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'Also, burning IN hell'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'i mean if i come across a talking burning bush'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'I'm youtubing it'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well, there is THAT consolation... but wouldn't you like to win a few over to save them from the fiery pits?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'I come across burning bush on a daily basis'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'does it talk to you though'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'well other than making you scream'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'I talk to it - close enough'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can get a cream for burning bush'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the people responsible for 3d printable gun plans have had their website taken down by the justice department. God bless the freedom and liberty of America'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What website'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather amusing that Obama has proclaimed April the month to "teach young people 'how to budget responsibly'"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortuntely it broke my irony meter'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Tigernuts! What was the name of the 3d gun printing company'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare may be delayed or cancelled thanks to a lawsuit going through right now - under the origination clause of the constitution, all bills raising revue must begin in the house, not the senate'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3d gun company err, Defence Distributed, i believe'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, missed your post in fightspam'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Thanks lol sorry I missed yours in a tv show'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Forgot those guns!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '"Rifles that can shoot 600 round"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hardly an effective weapon anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But yeah, shouldn't have been shut down by government.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had a manufacturers license and everything'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guvmint must have taken exception to them supplying the design files for free'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being the bunch of nazi's they are'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep, the government is like that.  Not so much the whole government.  It's the highest of the higher ups that make silly decisions and it ruins everything for everybody.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, hope they slap the guvmint with a lawsuit'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which would be fine except every suffers because it's people's taxes that pay the settlement'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, the guvmint could just claim sovereign immunity'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And they would'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps government 'officials' should be made to pay damages from lawsuits out of their own pocket'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they cannot'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think of the dangerous precedent that sets if they were able to do that, they could pull any shit they liked'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They can and have done it before'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'As long as they are carrying out "official duties"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't have been a good idea then and isn't a good idea now'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Which, we all know, can be damn near anything.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm not saying it's a good idea.  But they can use it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unless you like worshipping a dear leader as god and feeding your babies into a meat grinder'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love my babies in a meat grinder, baby cows that is'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sorry for trolling I suck'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blink'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I wanted to blink, not bat my eyelashes wtf'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's only trolling if you find someone who really really gets offended... I think I speak for everyone when I say - "we like ground cow babies, too"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'NOOO VONLIEGE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ground cow babies will give you cancer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially african, chinese or indian babies?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And Obama gains power from their souls.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'African, Chinese, and Indian babies that are legitimately aborted.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'soulbama'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Crap I forgot the third phrase that people get worked up over'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but only if they were the product of illegitimate rape'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as opposed to legitimate rape'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, if someone is getting raped, you might go, That is some LEGIT rape!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'so legitimate rape = ok?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legitimate rape is, clearly'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'personnaly, I really have no bias towards the cow's age,,, in fact, I believe "cow" means female bovine that has had at least one calf... so let's just settle on "ground bovine"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'that's crazy'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The cow is of the bovine ilk/one end is moo, the other milk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like ground cow babies'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or as the grocerie store is fond of calling it.... HAMBURGER!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No hamburger meat is made from adult cow'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'beef or viel?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'veal*'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Veal is where it is at'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'that's not just cow babies then'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'right... gound up adult cow (or steer)... hamberger... love it!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'that's cow babies in a box'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not necessarily. we raise veal calves on their dams in a pasture'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Whatever the fuck you wanna call it... it's yummy in my tummy'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'quite a lot of people who like baby cow but don't like the 'in a box' part will pay a premium :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also it tastes better'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sometimes I abort cow babies before they are born and eat those'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... in a box, and kept with dysintary and 100% milk fed.... TENDER and TASTY!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow that was a sick comment'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Even for me'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's the 'milk-fed calf' part that makes it veal, not the box part'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure what you would call pre-born bovine meat, N.... '
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rondel: 'thought it was the keep the muscles from developing part'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would call it tender n delicious'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel apologizes profusely.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yum, steak in its own myoglobin juice'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jim Carrey is going to end up with a significant legal bill'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Jim Carrey is aging poorly'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fox ripped him to shreds over his anti-Charlton Heston rip, and now he's trying to sue them'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which clearly isn't going to end well'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9siTaRWuQRE&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have my cable box set up so when ever a jim carrey movie comes on, it auto-chages channels and Paypals $1 to the NRA'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'none of the Fort Hood Soldiers injured or killed in the terrorist shooting are getting purple hearts... just in from the DOD'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should they?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well now... that's the question, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it all comes down to wether it was a terrorist act, or not'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are purple hearts for?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'soldiers injured in war'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fort hood is where?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'http://www.recognizethesacrifice.org/purple-heart-criteria.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on that day... in a war zone.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is nothing in the reg about WHERE the war takes placve'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? who are you at war with?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorists aren't a nation you can be at wore with'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'war, even'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yet and still... we are currently waging "The Global War on Terror"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so no, they aren't entitled to purple hearts'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It states on the website terrorists are allowed'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're fighting yourselves'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... we are fighting terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'As long as the Secretary of Defense says they are lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're fighting jihadists that you tourselves created'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... they chose to be jihadists'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Um the world created Jihadists'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They hate everybody'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'al-quaeda was created by USA and Saudi Arabia to fight Russians in afghanistan in the 80s'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now the US/UN directs them to attack Libya, Syria, whoever else they want to destabailse'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the TALIBAN (not al-quida) existed long before we gave them military aid'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I used to date Bin Laden but his beard tickled me too much'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just like we gave england stuff prior to entering WWII'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like the muslim brotherhood have their roots in Nazi Germany'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a streatch'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my mama might have ate some schnitzle when I was pregnant... that makes me german?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'err... when *She* was pregnant'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am sure frued would have fun with that one'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but back to the point - Fort Hood, Soldier, Purple hearts, terror'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all the points tigernut made (which probolby have some truth) does not address the fact that US Soldiers were injured and killed by a disciple and adherent of the people we are currently fighting.  Ergo.. purple hearts should be in order.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The Secretary of Defense has to declare it a terrorist act'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If that happened, then yes Purple Hearts'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for better or worse, the secretary of defense is a politico who made the call for plolitical reasons.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is very debateable with the parameters of "do they get PHs or not"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so where is fort hood?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'About 2.5 hours north of San Antonio Texas'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as far as i'm concerned, if ph are for soldiers lost in battle then no terrorist act would qualify for one unless you were at war with a nation'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not at war'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but we are at war'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'phony terrorism doesn't count, else you'd have to give ph to every soldier murdered'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ain't'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is not debatable... it even has a name... "The Global War on Terror"'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're fighting public uprising as a result of your foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, a bollocks a name, a better name would have been "the war against terror" at least it spells out TWAT which is what anyone who believes it's real is'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose the US Revolutionary was wasn't considered a war by England?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure it was, it was a war of independance'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not to the English'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to the english it was a colony uprising'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fort hood killings were done by your own, no?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's murder, not a war death'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a silly argument'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Doesn't have to be war.  Just a terrorist act'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'God dammit'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so if a purple heart had been available to the english soldiers of the day, it would not be presented to a british soldier injured in the "colony"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'colonial wars are wars'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Purple wouldn't match with their fancy retarded uniforms anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the soldiers had been out during 2011 riots and got killed, they wouldn't get a ph'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you just said it was a colony uprising... not a ear'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'err... WAR'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a colony uprising is a war of independence'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again.. we go in a circle... not to the english.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when has texas been a colony of the USA?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why would one texan be considered an uprising? it was a murder'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate he wasn't texan'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If it wasn't meant to cause terror amongst the people, then yes it is murder.  I'm sure there are different medals for such an occassion'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well that's another worm in the can. N....'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they are very deliberatly not being given ANY medals'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well God damned'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just that the no-PH was made official today'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'additionally, three of the severly injured were on their way to their FIRST deployment... Since they are not war veterans, they are not getting much in the way of services'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is pretty dirty'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Unfortunate, but they shouldn't be given the benefits'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They can't bend the rules and laws for three dudes.  Then tens of thousands of people will be suing for benefits'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point taken and conceeded'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Vonliege, that's the first time I've seen that phrase on debate.  I will cherish this moment forever'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might not type it again =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I know right'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Were you part of the debate on nobletalk yesterday where people argued for two hours about how to define chair?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'missed that one'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I just wanted someone to give up I couldn't handle it'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sorry, it's just crazy how far people will go when they want to be right'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'NO IT'S NOT, YOU'RE WRONG'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A bright, shiny gold halo appears over Dispel Majic's head.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'HAHA... The Emergency Committee for Israel has www.chuckhagel.com registered... that would suck for chuck!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow how random'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Are they gonna post childish images of Chuck Hagel in case we're mean to israel lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's come across as rather anto-semetic'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'EMERGENCY! Post the silly images, that'll show america!'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... it's done up pro... biased... but well done'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh wow I wouldn't even have known it was an israeli site'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I thought it was going to be an empty page to be used at a later date'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you still have trouble understanding the 2nd ammendment, you probably should read this: http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/04/01/the-founders-and-the-2nd-amendment/#more-21275'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it an American city can go bankrupt?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Chapter 9.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EPA charged with using instant messaging to avoid transparency laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is after they got found out using private email addresses to conduct official business in order the sidestep the same laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some heads need to roll there'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'annnndd,  a foxnews reporter is being demanded to attent the Colorado shooter case bcause of information given to them that violated a gag order. I guess they really really didn't want anything getting out that would upset their nice coverstory'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'death sentence being saught in Midnight Movie Shooting'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, poor kid, gets into a darpa program, gets brainwashed and drugged up, gets told to shoot a bunch of people, then gets hung out to dry'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reaaal classy'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'meh... he's not a good person'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when a cop pulls you over and says he's just gonna let you off with a warning, insist on getting the ticket.  Could be that cop's job is on the line.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'That is the worst piece of legal advice I've ever heard.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Well . . . second worst.  The worst was the one about how you aren't legally required to pay income taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... likely to get you a not-a-warning ticket most of the time'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a state trooper in florida actually lost his job because his boss said it was okay for him not to write a congressman a ticket.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be the boss lose his job'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear about the guy who got tied up with his family in a home invasion, so he bought a shotgun (legally), was testing it out in the yard, cops came along and shot him'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear about the secret service agent who was so bored he almost shot Achmedjihad's head off?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would have probably heard that if it had happened'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and he lived to tell teh tale?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we all know that that's not their job, their job is victimising patriots'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Achmedjihad apparently didn't even flinch, just looked back at the agent and rolled his eyes at him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and stiffing prostitutes'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crumbs, we can't forget stiffing prostitutes'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and covering up man portable rocket shipments from libya to syria'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chinese forces on high alert in NE of the country'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like legitimate abortion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel ducks and disappears.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you now'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hmmm it appears my experiment has failed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And no,'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have an issue with abortion, and think it should be restricted to the first 9 weeks, and even then, should be seriously frowned upon'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unless it involves a gut bust (sword, bullet, punch, etc) or you're getting high, wouldn't they all be legitimate?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I mean, it's not like street docs are kidnapping you like cadavers to work on your body against your will.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hanslanda, how do you know what goes on in my life?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's hard playing hard when street docs are stealing my fetuses.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only gay people should be allowed abortions'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're a BP agent.  If you get into an embarassing situation wherein you became an easy target, could always claim you really work in the oil industry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama scored 2 baskets off 22 attempts, thus proving he clearly isn't black'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He's not black, he is from heaven sent here by jesus'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using earth as a naughty step?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'have you watched the NBA at all this season?  Lots of black men aren't good at basketball either.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't be racist, hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Obama once tossed me into a basket'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was this at the party with the mexican booty?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'OMG I am still blushing at that'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something to do with gay aborted egg hunts and shipping guns to mexico to blame the 2nd ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think ping-pong balls were involved somehow, too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'michelle O fired them out of her beaver'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Obama almost sent me to Mexico to shut down the cartels single handedly after watching a few Chuck Norris flicks'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being the oversized dyke she is'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They sent chuck norris instead because they didn't want a nuclear incident'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chuck norris is too busy fighting to protect his ranch from invading food stamp recipients'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol this explains why the cartels are still active'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have the 900 unexplained sea lion pup deaths got anything to do with your feet, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No, I put them in a meat grinder to see how tender sea lion pups were for steaks'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more tender than horses'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wonders why she would put them in a grinder for steaks... Noegel's an idiot.
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and US army veterans, which also explains why the government chews them up and spits them out'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then I peel out at highway intersections'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh man, that was just mean, I'm sorry'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ahem'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will China intervene on behalf of NK if USA stick their oar in?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i sure hope so :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you want to experience WW3?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs to happen'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's even been planned'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it probably will happen sooner or later, no need to wish for it'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's over there, then it's over there'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'world war over there?'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the same definition america used in ww2 while carefully avoiding getting involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Damn, so if America gets involved we suck huge nuts.  And if we don't get involved, we still suck giant nuts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'WTF'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree with that, tbf'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should have not got involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much of your foreign policy problems occured because you got involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I believe if America did not get involved in WW2, shit would have been a lot worse for Europe'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'So the Japanese kinda ruined things a little'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also since one of the top priorities of US foreign policy is to create the best enemies money can buy :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you didn't get involved until someone specifically targetted you, so you can rest easy on that one'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That and the silly Nazi to invade Russia'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, there's a world of difference between ww2 and NK/Syria/Libya/Iran'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iraq/VietNam etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if NK was the best enemy money could buy, you should ask for a refund'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'North Korea actually has 100,000 H-Bombs'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's a fact from my dreams, and I am a prophet.  I'm writing my own Bible.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sounds unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'There's a korean swearword beginning with H, probably'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I can make you one of my Saints, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm Saint Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're free to do what you like'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Bah, you're no fun.'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'll just make Obama my Black Magic'
T3/r7/2013-04-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rofl, watching a  jeopardy from 2 weeks ago on DVR...such a wrong clue...chocolate maker mars inc owns him and his rice brand'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a pretty nice one'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'James Holmes is an "alleged shooter"'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Who is James Holmes?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'aurora CO movie shooter'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol nice "alleged"'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Innocent until proven guilty I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'by the strictest definition of the law... he hasn't been CONVICTED yet... but really... its more about the "why'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, once you start making exceptions for really clear-cut cases it's a rather slippery slope to the 'we know he done it' lynchings. So while yes I agree that it sounds ridiculous in this case. '
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'comma, I also think it's a good thing to do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was more poking at the news media... laws and definitions and such don't genneraly get in the way of them being sensational... yet they say "alleged" in THIS case'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they say alleged in every case that I've seen'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Atlanta school administrators are really getting it!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What what'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'test cheating scandal'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow what fools'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... like they wern't going to get caught!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol was it a state sanctioned test or was it the ol' give the football players good grades'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was state/federal tests that were used to grant big money rewards for good preformance'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'principals and teachers were cohersed to cheat - rewarded if they did... punished if they didn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh wow, shit is going to go down there then.  Cheating is a bad thing to teach our chilluns'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the first clue was an inquisitive parent who was currious as to why her mentaly retarded child was suddenly getting an "A" in 8th grade reading when she had never tested above the second grade reading level'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the second clue was when the teacher told her that her child had made a comlete turn-around, and was probobly a genius, now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the third clue was when the principal of the school gave her $100 and said "shhhhhhh"'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL omg I wish I was that parent to see that blatant lie come out of the teacher's mouth,'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel slaps herself on the head and yells, "DOH!"
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The things people do'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bail for the district superindendent was set at (or was asked to be set at) 7.5 million'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which make one wonder exactly how much money was scammed!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A lot!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sueprintendents make sick money'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'especially in a market like Atlanta'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Heck, my school district had about 1000 kids for all grades and our superintendent made $175,000 a year'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just think, pretty soon all those illegal aliens are going to start going back to mexico.....tons of shale oil and gas has been found.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel cheers and sings... she is just BURSTING with joy!
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Maybe Mexico won't be third world.  Oh wait, Cartels will probably run those too'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not if they want to export it to the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the state knows how best to manage those resources... wouldn't want the pesants getting spoiled'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love me some peasant stew.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Mexico already has lots of oil.  Nothing new about that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They just need to harness the POWER!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'not to mention, Mexico is hardly 3rd world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Their natural resources are abundant.  Their only real problem is an incredibly corrupt government.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mexico is going to finally start drilling in their side of the gulf of mexico......going to produce tens of thousands of jobs, probably more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I wasn't saying it was literally third world... btw'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is the downstream jobs that are important though....for every new energy job created in the US, 11 downstream jobs are created.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Just a huge gap between upper and lower class.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like "oil skimming barge workers"!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Well . . . that too Noegel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'No amount of oil is going to solve Mexico's class problem.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you consider mcdonalds and walmart having to pay $18 an hour starting to get workers in areas of high energy output to be lower class....You have to start somewhere, and the US has been dependent on others for its energy for too long.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's load up and head for NORTH DAKOTA!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would be nice to reduce the US imports to only Canada and Mexico'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'speaking of ND... are either of you online?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hopefully we will have a new golden age of energy production, and new infrastructure to fix or replace the aging infrastructure we have.....it all means good jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mexicans are pretty content, though (the few who head over the border withstanding)'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the anti domestic energy plan of the last 40 years has been destroying our middle class.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ANWAR'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wouldn't be an issue if caribue tasted better'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, would be nice to be producing natgas in northern alaska, and shipping it to asia.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but about all they're good for is "protecting"'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the enviro whackos say there are only 5 billion barrels of oil in ANWR, but come on.....we have produced almost 20 billion just WEST of anwr at prudhoe bay.....and WEST of prodhoe bay has over 50 billion barrels of heavy oil.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chances are ANWR has shitloads of oil also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '99.9% of americans have not even been to NE alaska, and never will.....it is a desolate wasteland of swamps and permafrost'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can add about 1,000 more .9s to that stat'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only things that do live there are the caribou and small mammals.....and the caribou are thriving because of the oil pipelines :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that little postage-stamp of ANWAR goes for years without a single caribou touching it... the tundra is VAST!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the caribou keep to the prudhoe bay part....where the WARM pipelines keep them warm in the winter. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Why is it that when the federal government makes 95% of public lands available for drilling, the oil companies whine about not getting the other 5%?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I know!  I hiked 7 miles out, shot a caribou, hiked 7 miles back with a load of meat - rinse and repeat 3 times... was a two-fer... first and last!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because it's the remaining 5% that has 99.999999999% of the good stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because the best oil fields are in the 5% of that are not available.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and most federal lands are not open for drilling...not anymore....they have been mostly closed since clinton.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Sure.  How dare the government weigh the oil company's desire to drill against other steakholders' desire to use the land for other purposes.  The oil companies should get everything!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and another huge chunk of private lands arent available because of regulation... owners and oil companies would LOVE to drill, but can't'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obama talks great about the new golden age of oil and gas in the US, and that the feds are doing their part to make it happen, but that isnt true....it is happening on private lands, not public. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but ohhhhh do the consumers whine when the price of gas (and everything that is transported with gas) goes over $3 a gallon!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of gas in the US is going to stay above $3 a gallon'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did I say $3?  I meant $5'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it is ok, we dont need federal lands right now....perhaps in 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'll be a wrinkly old lady by then'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ND is going to producing millions of barrels of oil each day for decades, if not longer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as will be Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I need to jump on the oil bandwagon'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege reaches down and pull Noegel up onto the bandwagon
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Smells like men up in here'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil production in Montana is going to increase by 200% in the next 2-3 years, same with Ohio'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege hands Noegel an ice cold and frosty mug of crude
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'gas in the states is dirt cheap'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cheaper than dirt cheap'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NY and California are going to be left behind because of their shortsightedness.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no wonder cali is broke.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was paying $12.50 a gallon in Italy'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is it in Canada?  $5-6 a gallon ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm happy with my 3.45'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$3.29 here :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oooo it's at 3.29 according to the gay website'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'GAS'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel giggles.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lesbo gas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Noooo'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love those tar sands in Canada.....but it takes a long time to increase production.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what is better the M60 ,the M249 or the RPD'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think for straight firepower, M60 due to the larger round'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'M249 has a higher rate of fire, even if it shoots the 5.56 round... no clue about the RPD'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'of course the M249 is much better known than the M60'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, the M249 pretty much replaced the m60 didn't it?  I think the M60 has been around since the 40s'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ok  got go have weather and thunder'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'M249 is completly different, and replaced the aging M60'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Makala: 'M60 was replaced by M240'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you are correct... the M249 is 5.56.. I was in error'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'is the HK21 still in service?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'HK21??'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No clue'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'Barca or PSG'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Barca most likely'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Grissom are you formulating the perfect arsenal?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'agreed i dont like the french expecting the french womens national soccer team,the french foreign legion and franck ribery. and no noegel i just like guns but not the school shooting way '
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey, this isnt the french channel...this is the US/British bitching channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bloody limies'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Grissom I love guns as well, don't need to attach the school shooting way to the end of that statement'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'guns a just plain fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's not like gun lovers just wake up one day and think, "I think Ima blast some fools today."'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'big guns, little guns... they'r ALL fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Baron Von Reichart person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'actually it is because france always needs USA and UK to save its unmentionables '
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those people who shot up schools or movie theatres had YEARS of mental issues, and society ignored them.....You get what you deserve.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'asses... we save their asses... you can say ass here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No you say butts I get offended soooo easily'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is fuming.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'sorry playing a bit too much fable the last few days and can you say nicompoop'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol this is a curse channel so yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'rafeal benitz is a nicompoop's nicompoop'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'now chelsea is my first team but that guy just irritaties me'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ohhh Rizgoth I'm making a steak dinner tonight I'm excited'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But no boiled carrots'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then your meal is not perfection!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Awww but I am replacing them with greenbeans'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What about mashed potatoes, or boiled red potatoes ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And mashed potatoes with skin'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i had this friend once if you translated her surname from afrikaans to english it is bunnypants'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Coolest name ever, if you ask me'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkeypants'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Totally saw that coming, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth rides up upon his wardonkey and salutes with fist to heart.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel rides up upon her warmouse and salutes with fist to heart.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and not surprisngly she was the fastest girl in school'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth rides up upon his warmoose and salutes with fist to heart.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like moose... SWEEEET meat!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel guides her warburger next to Vonliege and squirts him with her ketchup.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom rides up with his warbunny and chews you all like a carrot
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Owww'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'you just got veggied'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hassenpheffer'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MMmmmMMM!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel turns Grissom into a vegetable curry sauce dish.
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'all dead but tasty'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, they found oil in Arkansas!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wealth for America!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No I can afford more baby cows to grind and eat'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an exxon pipeline ruptured and spilled thousands of barrels....:p'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'DOH!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the EPA rejoices!  Christmas bonus' and job security for ALL!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My neighbor has been catching his project car on fire for the last couple of hours.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I bet the EPA would love him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is it sitting under a cockaded woodpecker nest?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol no unfortunately'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'would it make sense for a technology high school to have gaming as a sport'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'bayern rules'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who dat?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'bayern munich'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'now that I know his full name, still ain't heard of him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'it is a football club from germany'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bad news!'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN passed it's gun control ruling'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately senate has already said they won't ratify it, though you can't trust them, they're fake liberals'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm thinking of the 50-100 guns that are within a 2 mile radius of me,... then I chuckle when I consider NONE of them will ever get registered.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that depends if they do house to house searches'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they will never be able to force the issue in the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might try'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the meantime they're trying to do the same thing via financial means'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the only hope there is for reducing guns is to limit or eliminate circulation of new guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is also what they're doing'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'restrict, limit, or eliminate the flow of ammunition'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're doing that too, hadn't you noticed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and finally, thru hunting licences (if you buy a hunting licence, you have to show that your gun (at least one) is registered)'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone needs to proverbially take the administration to the woodshed'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also, a new one today... mandetory liability insurance for gun ownered'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't new today, but yeah, i saw that'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'new to me'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the solution to your guys trouble is to dissolve the federal government machine'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which would solve a lot of your financial issues too'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'never happen... next idea?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then you're fucked, you'll never solve it'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it needs the federal machine to be reigned in, it wouldn't need too many states co-operating to do that'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'reined'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unilateral action needed on development and nullification'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which requires backing up with force, not backing down like a fucking pussy at the first sign of a threat like Rick Perry did'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'grr'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'amidoinitright?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'que?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am not so nieve that I don't see what politics is... it is, by definition - comprimise.  I don't like polotitians, or anyone who persues politics...  but it is what we have.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more army vets are being targetted by the feds with dodgy mental health charges in order to ban them from owning firearms'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh oh oh.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me tell you a story....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ain't getting anywhere with compromise, it's what screwed you guys up in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me tell a story?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell, don't ask to tell'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just asking for some room to type... here goes...'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was going to get into cowboy action shooting....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'needed four guns....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a dbl brl shotgun, a lever action rifle, and a pair of single action pistols....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'revolvers, technically...'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I found the long guns locally...'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no trouble there..'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for the handguns, I went to thte internet... I found a pair of Ruger Vaqueros with sequential serials (.357/.38, 6", SS)'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lined up a transfer with my local dealer....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'two weeks later, having expected to get a call, I stopped it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'stepped In to the store to see what the deal was....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the dealer (not a friend, but I give him enough business) was sort of sheepish....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'turns out I had failed the background check... '
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pour que?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BECAUSE... the quanitiy (2) flagged it for closer scrutiny.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at which point they discovered that I had been evaluated for mental illness....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh, this is what they said they were going to do, just sidestep around the laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you see, I had just returned from my third tour to Iraq at the conclusion of which I was SCREENED for PTSD... and that was good enough to deny my purchase'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been going on for a while, it's only crazed liberals like Ranrr that don't want to believe what's going on'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're going after all vets'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they're trained, they know what's going on, and they're awake'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surprised you haven't had a visit from Mr SWAT team by now, tbh'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have guns, you probably want to hide them up'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'offsite, preferably'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'keep one for protection that they can confiscate, hide the others'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '27 vets (iraq/aphgahnistan) were killed by LEOs in 2012... three were holding up a bank - clean shoot.  two were evading police - clean shoot.  not sure about 4 of them, but EIGHTEEN were shot in their own homes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/bw4sake is the story, sounds similar to yours, maybe you should drop them an email with your story to add to the list'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's an LEO?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'law enforcement officer?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'too much visiblity'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes.. law enforcement'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local, state or feds?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'combined... not sure what the breakout is'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you glad you're currently under the eye of sauron?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't that just make you feel safe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's lots worse elswhere'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'canada'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mexico'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mexico is, canada though?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'england, germany, italy, spain, france....   greece, china, north AND south korea....'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only one on that list with government tyranny threat is NK'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the others are just poverty holes'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'USA has way more guns, and way more gun rights that ANY place with the rule of law'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'period'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they banned guns here and as a result, gun crime and violent crime rocketed'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when traveling from continental US to Alaska thru Canada, you have to ship your guns to and from... not even allowed to transport them thru canada'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guns registered in Canada no doubt?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt... USA is the only place for a gun owner to live'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'registered, limited, and tracked'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you'd have as much luck taking away an american's gun as you would their car.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and we like our cars'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're still trying'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we like them so much that we can't even support a trans continental train route'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's so bad here that a policewoman is trying to sue a gas station because she tripped over a curb in the dark'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's UK?'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'land of the ripped off and impoverished'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'land of the debt slaves'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys had black slaves, over here they just made everyone slaves'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we have much of the same here... coffee was too hot, floor was to shiny, swimming pool was too wet... on and on'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'days like today are tricky, when i tend to feel particularly aggrieved at the state of the country and particulary powerless/vulnerable to do anything about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just watched a 'motherboard' episode on 3-D printing guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'facinating... all the gun control in every debeloped county is about to be obsolete'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there just won't be any way to control something that can be made in the home (no grow lights required)'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if voting is a sham, then what you say doesn't make sense.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if DC had a cohesive story to combine the films together, they would probably do much better.'
T3/r7/2013-04-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see a new Punisher reboot, with a team up of some kind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL www.blackpeoplemeet.com'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Would it be bad if there was a www.whitepeoplemeet.com'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but you can't fit more people on a plane'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Irresistible Calling portal to Empire of Talsa bid 558'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'can you use pissed on the jokes board'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you can use drunk'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i mean like "pissed on someones head'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i mean like "pissed on someones head"'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, fuel cell power generators for private purchase were supposed to be available by 2009......but still no freaking fuel cell power generator, except for business use!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where's my jetpack?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want a damn 10kwh fuel cell power generator for my cabin :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how are you going to distil the water for the fuel cell?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I will bring in propane to power the fuel cell, instead of using diesel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or I will use methanol'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'methanol is cheap.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you arent talking about hydrogen fuel cells.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are hydrogen, they use a machine that extracts the hydrogen from the fuel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if that's the case... your better off with a 5-10kw diesle generator... simple and easy to maintain'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont want a damn diesel generator, already freaking have one!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then what's the issue?  things will burn everything from kerosen to jet-a.... best option there will be for a LONG time'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want a nice quiet 10 Kwh fuel cell :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can buy one that is 25 Kwh, but that is the smallest fuel cell that is made right now....for cell towers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I want a jetpack because the dang roads around here follow old game trails... not a straight streach in site'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why didn't the south ever figure that out?  go to the midwest... roads go east and west.  simple, easy to navigate and maintain... HERE, you get on a road and you might end up in the dang Gulf of Mexico!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And counties are all square...so boring.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you have to have generational knowlege of the trails just to go buy a freaking gallong of milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would be nice to also have the hot water byproduct of the fuel cell.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I gave up and bought a cow'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I should have just bought the piece of land that had the geothermal spring on it.....kicking myself now....'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'could have installed a geothermal power generator.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the main trouble with fuel cells for the near-term is reliability, cost, and maintenance... we too three to the desert last go-round, and within 90 days, we had to buy diesles from the locals.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they WERE quiet, but good lord did they STINK!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not the "who farted" kind of stink... I'm talking about debilitating, on your hands and knees vomiting STANK!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our methanol fuel cell works great.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only bad thing is we have to buy our fuel from a producer in Canada.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has it ever broke down?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'regular maintenence 4x a year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's the service life?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they said 10 years, it has been 3'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we lease it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they take care of all the maintenance.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so they could come and take it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, we have a 10 year lease.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... but that's paper... not like you could shoot them if they showed up with a truck'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, we can...they have to have permission to come on private land...this is Texas :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they would be in breach of contract.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... it IS texas, so I'll grant you that... but... would you REALLY get away with it?  what if you shot the UPS man while he was trying to deliver a package?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'UPS man doesnt come on our land, he drops packages off at the package box at the front gate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... what about if your neighbor shot the UPS man while your neighbor was getting a delivery?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our nearest neighbor is well over a mile away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has no bearing on the question.. would he get away with it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your question makes no sense, because it would be the neighbor who shot the guy, not on our land.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is a fence surrounding our land, only 3 ways in or out.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're talking around the question, so I will asnwer it for you... the answer is "NO", you would not get away with shooting the UPS man (or the DHL man, or the FEDEX man, or the jehovas witness... well maybe them).  make my day laws, are well and good, and they are fun to brag about, but at the end of the day, it is only as good as the politically motivated court system.  IF you were to shoot someone on your land, you would not get away with it unless you or your property were under threat.  This is well precedented in texas, and other states with stand your ground type laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, since he wouldnt be on our land to get shot, it has no bearing anyways...he would be on public land when he was shot.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps jim carrey should make an evil ups man film where the guy does whatever he can to deliver a package to a house that is barricaded.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... let me bring it down a grade level or two for you... your neighbor (1 mile away, or 10 - I don't care) shoots the FEDEX man who is trying to deliver a package TO YOUR NEIGHBOR on YOUR NEIGHBORS land.  Your neighbor is going to go to jail.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good for him, has no bearing on me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I might pay to see that movie... if JC get his ass blown off at the end'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you concede the issue?  you can't just shoot whoever you want on your own land?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could care less what others do on THEIR land, only what happens on mine.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure you can, on YOUR land.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. you can shoot whoever you want... but you will go to jail, forrect?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '^correct'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, hasnt happened yet, and we only shoot evil doers, not ups men.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just last week or so, a homeowner shot 2 home invaders as they ran away on their land....the home invaders both died.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'score one for land owners.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but there is a big difference between home invaders, ie evil doers, and a ups man....but ups men have no reason to come on the land...they have a box at the front gate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have no issue with shooting evil-doers.  I love "make my day laws".  My only point (which you just flat refuse to acknowlege) is that it is not a carte-blanc to shoot whoever the hell you want to just because their on OYUR land'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you still have to have a REASON'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the way your talking, if a kid was walking down the road on the edge of your property, and his ball rolled under your fence, you'd blow his head off for tying to get it back'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Stay off my land then.....we have the wall, the gates, the signs, and the dogs....if you still want on the land...prepare to have guns in your face, and a call to the sheriff, and if you get beligerant, you will be taken down.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could care less about the ditch land, anyone can walk there, because it is PUBLIC'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Rizgoth, don't you think you would be happier if you, like, chilled out a bit man?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no ball is going to roll under the fence, it is a non issue.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fly over the fense?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're just flat missing the point is all'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then they can call the house, and the ball will be returned.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why not buzz them through the gate, then blow their head off when they step through?  according to you, you have the right to'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I never said that, you did :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we wouldnt buzz them in as you just said, we would just return the ball after they called.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that has never actually happened since like I said, the nearest neighbor is about 1 mile away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the issue is that you maintain that make-my-day lets you shot who ever you want on your land. [03 Apr 10:06:00] (Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, we can...they have to have permission to come on private land...this is Texas :)''
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'this is ranch country, not suburban home country.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Yes we do, but it doesnt mean we would just shoot anyone who comes on the property who doesnt intend harm....that is why we have strong no tresspassing laws here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather see them in jail, or fined $500'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but if they intend harm, they will get it back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'am glad we don't have trespass laws in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think Rizgoth means if you feel threatened, you should be able to destroy them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess that's as close as your going to come to saying "we can't shoot anyone we want"'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't think he would shoot some kid running after his ball'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, since that has never actually happened, most people can read the sign and call the main house.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no..  am sure HE wouldn't... but the make-my-day law applies to EVERYONE... even tards and phycos'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like it not, there are people in the world (even in TX) that would abuse the crap out of a low that let them shoot anyone they wanted to on their own land... that is why, make my day or not, you can't just shoot anyone you want'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, you think it's okay to shoot people who can't read?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, we prefer to keep a low profile...we are a ranch afterall, and have all kinds of domestic animals around, we prefer intruders to call the main house so that a ranch hand can go get them and bring them on the ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why we have signs as the law requires, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wouldnt surprise me if intruders do come on the land, but that would be in the farther parts of the ranch, they never make it to the main part of the ranch without being seen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which brings me all the way back around to what started this rabbit-hole debate... IF the people who OWN your generator decided to come and haul it away (they can always find a legal reason), AND they showed up at your gate WITH a sherif, you would have to give them the generator.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and how far on do they get before you shoot them?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont shoot first, we warn first, and escort them to the point where they tresspassed, so that we can fix that part of the fence.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, since we have a contract with them, and they respect our business.....they would go to the front gate, and call the main house, a ranch hand would come and get them.  :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we have a 10 year lease, it is enforceable...the only way they can get it back is by providing a new one to replace it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have never had to shoot anyone who has intruded on the land fortunately....most people can read the signs, and hear the dogs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I watched a motherboard story yesterday... a fellow had a leased 3D printer.  he used it to print gun parts.  the leasor confiscated it because the contract said it could not be used for ILLEGAL activity.  the truth ended up being that there was no law against what was being done, so there was no illegal activity... but the company still got its printer back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have called the sheriff who has arrested people who tresspassed though'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the company has the right to put whatever they want in the lease agreement, but so do we.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as we do not break the lease, they cannot just take the machine back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you think your lease has language that says it can't be used for illegal activity?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wouldnt be in their best business interests to pull crap like that anyways, we have no problem switching to another provider if we had too....'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's a link to that story, BTW.. I think you'd enjoy it:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DconsfGsXyA'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is not used for illegal activity anyways, so it is a moot point.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '3D printing will make every gun law in the world obsolete in 10-15 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a backup generator period, the power is unstable around here, and we are at the end of the line.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BUT.. the company (IF they really wanted their property back) could make a good enough claim to get the sherif interested'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'die infidel trespasser die!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently transporting horses by airplane is a pain in the ass.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'almost as bad as transporting airplanes by horses'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Aryia is getting the axe in the first part of the next SoIaF book '
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so sources say... not a lot of credit should be given, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'stems from a "private" conversation between George RR Martin and the producers of the HBO series...  They would apparently like him to pare down the lost of key characters before season 5 of the show starts production... or there might not BE a season 5'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's even a bit of scuttle butt that the final instalation of the story may go to TV prior to print... that would be season 6, if my math is right... or 7?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people actually watch game of thrones?  I have never seen one episode.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless... the only reason I even entertain the notion of anything I just typed is that GRRM, by his own admition on his blog, is tired of writing, and really likes bing involved in the production of the show.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just watched season 2... it was entertaining.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like Weeds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'good production - plenty of blood and guts - could have done without the extra sex'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps if got was available on netflix, I might watch it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but apparently HBO doesnt like netflix.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as always, the book was better, but you can't watch the book.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'morning?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instant ramen is considered the japanese greatest invention of the 20th century by a poll done of japanese citizens.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, I'll be damned...Obamacare is mandating that the Coast Guard help manage Health Care quality...'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Are you criticizing the Chosen One, heathen?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno yet.  Why should a police force have any say in health care quality?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'Although I can't think of anything at the moment, I'm sure they have special qualifications relating to health care quality.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like OC will be a clusterfuck'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe they're using the CG to enforce the death panels.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'You say that as though death panels are bad.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least Obamacare protects our rights to informational privacy about our guns.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'any company offering a health and wellness program cannot collect gun info on you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/04/03/co_democrat_doesnt_understand_high-capacity_magazines_can_be_reloaded.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these are the the sort of people in charge that are passing gun control laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stupidest news of all:'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-administration-pushes-banks-to-make-home-loans-to-people-with-weaker-credit/2013/04/02/a8b4370c-9aef-11e2-a941-a19bce7af755_story.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and $500 million can be spent on humorous marketing of preventive care.  Kinda reminds me of what Philly did.  They hired angry clowns and mimes to promote safe driving, and instituted a texting-only lane of traffic.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats right, Obama is going to push the banks to make exactly the same mistakes as Clinton did that directly caused the property bubble that burst leaving so many families repossessed'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone give the man a golf clap'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'POW! ca-click. POW! ca-click. POW!'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'according to Obamacare, the Independant Payment Advisory Board doesn't have to make out the reports Obamacare has outlined for them to make.  When they do not, HHS has to do it instead.  Additionally, this IPAB can accept gifts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no limitations on those gifts, by the way, so healthcare providers can gift these people to vote their way.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shock'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hands up if you haven't figured out that Obamacare is a fix put in for the enrichment of health insurance and pharmaceuticals/medical corporations?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of you know, guess others are too embarassed to answer because they fear i'm right'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Cigna is adding video games to their health plans now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'health-risk assessments.  Each level you complete causes them to add money into your health savings account.'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uhh'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://finance.yahoo.com/news/health-plan-now-video-games-191210581.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wonder if Kim Jong Un's targetting of Austin Texas has to do with Alex Jones taking the piss out of him repeatedly on his radio show'
T3/r7/2013-04-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, health 'games', involving taking lots of expensive shots that have been proven ineffective, ensuring you have regular expensive checkups, like a mandatory 'advertising' game, joy'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tuna is an amazing fish....watching a docu on sushi.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wonder, though, why sometimes it tastes like dolphin...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'a bug in the matrix'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so, Anaristos confessed to tasting (and eating) dolphin prior to eating Tuna'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'these indi game makers are posers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, in 1995, a joint US/Norway scientific missile launch almost caused Russia to launch a full scale missile attack against NATO countries.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently someone forgot to send a memo to the Russians about the missile launch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'russians dont like memos imo'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, snowball earth is bad....'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who wants to go back to the snowball earth, when the daytime temp was -60 F at the equator?   The snowball earth lasted for around 200 million years until continental drift finally melted the ice and spewed enough gasses into the atmosphere to raise the avg temp.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not I, sounds too cold.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Is somebody proposing that?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are doomed :('
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, shit nuggets'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Good thing I have enough firewood to last at least a month, I wonder if I can collect enoought to last a few tens of thousands of years'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Chevron royally polluted the eastern part of Ecuador.....hundreds of millions of gallons of toxic oil waste dumped into the environment, and never cleaned up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my mistake, over 10 billion gallons have been dumped in the last 30 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hmmm I guess dumping my car oil into the ocean wouldn't make much of an impact then'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flees debate!
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'evil noe, string em up and whip em with a oil soaked noodle!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm noodles'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There used to be over 100,000 hemp farms in the US, and then it was banned to promote cotton farms instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there used to be over a million slaves in the US, then they were freed to promote civil librities'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously, Rizgoth... why do you suppose that is?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cotton was king in the day'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and then there was that little inconvienience that peoplel found out hemp was good for other things besides making rope'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hemp for Victory!  -- A US military film to promote the production of hemp in the US in 1937.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like a classic'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I bet there'r some stoners out there that would love to have that movie poster'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubtful, the plants used for hemp production have less then 1% THC.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still... Hemp?  US Military?  together on a poster?  priceless'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides, yell hemp in a crowded, then poll the people to see what they thought you ment, and 99.9% would say "pot", not "rope"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because of govt propaganda against hemp.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that may be true, but it does change the fact that to most people, hemp = high.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love hemp seeds, I buy em in powderized form from a Canadian country to add to smoothies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'company even'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't worry about the typos with me... I figured out what you ment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because I don't smoke pot, and my mind is crisp and clear!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I dont smoke either, never could inhale the smoke, :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... that was spliting hairs... I don't ingest any mind altering substances such as THC.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I dont care if others do, just not around me, I have no control over it then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'except maybe a beer on the fourth of july'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont have a problem with eating THC though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'buy society (which IS you, wether you admit it or not) pays for those who do smoke pot, eventually'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I still don't care :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I only care that we waste billions in dillars each year on a bogus war on drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you aren't fighting it, so why do you care?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my tax dollars are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so that affects me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but your tax dollars are also paying for drug rehab, domestic violence prevention, law enforcement, on and on....  '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all expenses of drug use by OTHERs'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is a way better topic than generators, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like I said, I am only against spending tax dollars on fighting the war on drugs as it has to do with marijuana, except for growing on public lands, that should continue to be illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Yes, because a major side effect of MARIJUANA is definitely domestic violence.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg user of pot sits in front a tv looking for boobs, they do not go around beating up people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that would be meth users.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And coke!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '(that's my point)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '(yay!)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but while those people are sitting in front of the TV looking for boobs, the rest of the tax payers are buying them groceries, paying for their cable and electricity, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I still love that the world's fastest swimmer, michael phelps, was openly smoking pot in college.  Kinda destroys that "you'll never do anything with your life if you smoke" myth'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'please, every pot smoker I know has a job, a good one usually in computing or banking.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you need pot to survive those types of jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'really?  the countries president was openly snorting coke in college... pot is nothing'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Cocaine!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I know a range from unemployed bums to 100,000+ salaried government folk'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel misses Blue Mountain State.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont support legalization of actual harmful drugs, like crack, cocaine, meth, lsd, or any of the new designer drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but I think everyone advocating drug tests for welfare should present a public record of their own drug tested blood.  If being drug free is a qualifier for receiving public money, public officials should be no exception.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Rizgoth person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as a military retiree, and veteran who recieved tax payer funded pay, I can tell you... I HAD MY blood drawn and tested several times a year.  I would expect no less for people who get that money for free'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It is funny when you catch a large load of drugs at the checkpoint and marijuana cigarette smokers see they always get excited and state how much they would like to take it off our hands :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we can probably blame william randolph hearst for the govts war on hemp back in the 1930s and 40s.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He was a silly fellow'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really...he wanted to protect his wood pulp business. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I know, I meant silly in a dumb way.  Greed can really mess up things in the long term when you originally think it is no big deal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'widespread hemp growing was starting to infringe on the wood pulp business to make paper....since hemp is more efficient for making paper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My job would easier if Marijuana was legal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No excitement in writing up marijuana loads.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and william hearst was the largest owner of timberlands that produced the wood for paper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as a parent, I don't want my children to have the same easy level of access to marijuana as they do to cigarettes and alchol.  Those are temptation enough.  I spend a lot of effort raising and mentoring them, but I am not so nieve as to believe they will never try the latter... I just don't want them near the former.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'When I was in high school, marijuana was way more common that alcohol... about the same as cigarettes'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Marijiuana is very easy to conceal and sell at school.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Cigarettes were sold by the seniors, but marijuana was sold by the kids from families that had small time dealers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, same.......the pot heads had all the connections, they could get you anything you wanted.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the alcohol was mostly moonshine where I grew up, not store bought.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Never saw alcohol sold in my school.  You would have to go to a party for that and there was usually parental supervision.  Then again, my town was a tiny farming village'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alcohol smuggling is huge in Alaska.....a 5th of booze that sells for $20 at anchorage can easily sell for $400 at a dry village.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so many people make moonshine in the dry villages.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Holy shit nuggets'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's a big profit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whenever you ban something, you make people want it more from my experience.....I enjoyed drinking before I was 21, but once it was legal to me, I lost interest. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the breaking the law was the attraction to me, not the booze.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Rizgoth person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the DEA receives a bonus of $1.05 for every marijuana plant that is siezed, but most plants siezed are hemp plants, not marijuana.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Make the most of the indian hemp seed, and plant it everywhere. -- George Washington'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have a c. 1965 pamphlet published by the USDA via the Federal Extension Agency titled "Contoling Insects"... it advocated dumping your waste oil on wet lands to inhibit the breeding of mosquitos.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then again, future generations will look back at us and see our ideals, practices, and motivations to be silly and stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some of them... certainly'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently US law enforcement doesnt have the ability to tell the difference between hemp and marijuana, but law enforcement in other western countries do...they are must be smarter in other countries. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Some strange countries even allow the growing of hemp.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As if hemp was a useful plant, and not used for drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont know any marijuana growers who grow hemp to sell to drug dealers, :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Would only work once.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My understanding from a lot of growers we secondary is that they grow their own marijuana at home because marijuana from the cartels is generally really shitty.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, skunk weed from mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has more mold then pot.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol yeah whenever I cut through the thick bundle layers and the weed falls out, it looks so gross'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and smells moldy ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol, smells like pot to me.  Usually an overwhelming scent when theres thousands of pounds sitting in front of you'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have some shirts that are 40% hemp, and the rest cotton, and they are the best shirts I ever had....they last longer then polyester.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'marijuana causes white women to seek sex from negroes and entertainers -- US Govt'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Marijuana made me gay for five seconds one time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I believe it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since everything the govt says is true.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Snooky has been super gay a couple times today'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah I was having sex with my baby mama when I just started sucking a dick. She was like "wtf?" So I quit doing that and finished her off.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Some random dude was standing there?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is weirded out and confused.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No it was just me and her.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZusZOSgt3M'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she is a shemale.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am a shemale :/'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wait what'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am a he-male'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'does that mean gay?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'according to the father of modern medicine, cannibis indica is the best treatment for migraine headaches, and pain in general.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you mean Hippocrates?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No Vost, it means that I have enough testosterone to power multiple sets of balls.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'said modern medicine, not ancient medicine :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What about for cluster headaches, yikes :('
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I believe the founder of modern medicine also reccomended leeches for various ailments.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sir william osler wrote the textbook on modern medicine in the 1890s'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'a spoonful of honey and cinnamon will cure most shit except maybe dick AIDs'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Medicine is one of those areas where you can't necessarily assume that an idea is good just because it's old.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNouKvGCqIM'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Cluster headaches are not yummy'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and fyi, leeches are extremely helpful in cleaning wounds and healing of wounds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so is neosporen'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel nods at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and maggots are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'so are maggots'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I always wanted to have a maggot like deep inside a gash in my leg eating all the bad stuff. I would be on lots of drugs so it would just tickle. That would be better than TV for me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The sound of thousands of maggots sounds like hamburger meat blegh'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the DEA under obama has raided more marijuana dispenseries then bush ever did in 8 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Obama is a fucking prick and I hate how idiot liberal supporters let him get away with murder just because he is black and supports gay marriage.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'troll much?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Oh?  Has Obama murdered someone? Or are you just suggesting that raising taxes on people with 6 figure incomes is the moral equivelant to murder?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Obama murdered my hopes and dreams'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flees the debate channel!
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'murdering people with drones is murder. Coming after people's gun rights is condoning murder.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Obama is the most anti-liberty president that we have had in a long time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'On the same topic though - there are dozens of studies and countries that have fairly strict gun ownership laws and have been shown that it reduces gun violence.  That's the principle he's trying to accomplish with implementing gun laws.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Right.  Dropping bombs is strictly an Obama thing.  No other president has ever done that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Drones are killing people in the US ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Are they Clone Drones ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brun: 'i though north korea is going to take care of the US?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Hivemind drones'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Skynet Drones ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Andurien chuckles at Rizgoth's joke.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'So the Aard Hive have drones?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'has'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah in many of those studies violent crime seems to go up as well. Those countries are not the US so you can't just say "lol it worked for the UK and Japan"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Shall not be infringed dammit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'violent sexual crimes go up when ice cream sales go up.  maybe we should ban ice cream.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh go buy a damn gun, 5000 rounds of ammo and be quiet.....:)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav is agreeing with that Leinei person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'okay.  Link me those studies.  I'm curious now, because every study I've read shows that violent crimes decreases.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Rizgoth person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'You're seriously suggesting that a provision in the constitution that speaks of a "well regulated militia" forbids all regulation?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I'm anti-ice cream, and anti-happiness too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(that is a true fact, by the way)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'ammo is hard to come by nowadays'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well regulated doesnt mean what you think it does or what you want it to mean.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'Yes it does - proper background checks for /any/ purchase of a gun, longer periods for other types of guns, full on assault ban, so no one can own an assault weapon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well regulated means well maintained not "we can make whatever laws and restrictions we want for a more pansy friendly society"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Feds currently do research on marijuana to find out the THC levels of the street weed, but refuse to allow the federal researchers to do medical testing on the weed to see how it can be used to help people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why should american citzens not be allowed to own whatever liberals describe as an "assult weapon"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'Why does anyone in the general populace /need/ to own an assault weapon?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Need is irrelvant, I have a right to.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I own 7 of them......want to go shooting at the range ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And I should continue to have a right to. To say I cannot is unconstitutional'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'You presuppose that you need the right to own these.  You don't.  You just want it because joe schmoe next door does.  I'm still waiting for you to show that gun laws increase violent crimes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'I need to own an assault weapon because assault weapons also happen to be the most effective defense weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '"Assult weapon" isn't a very well-defined concept.  Let's ask a more specific question:  Why should a convicted felon be able to buy an automatic rifle with a 30-round magazine.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'They can't Lamya, not legally.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'because in the USA constitution it does you have a Right to bear arms'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer shotguns for defense of my home actually'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love using assault weapons at the gun range....so much fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Agreed Snooky.  But you have taken the position that the Second Amendment forbids ALL gun regulations.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That is my opinion on it yes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and assault weapon paintball guns are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If so, that would mean that convicted felons have a constitutional right to buy a fully automatic rifle.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'You take the second amendment out of context - A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[16].  Are you part of a well regulated militia?  No?  Okay, then you don't have the right to bear arms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I'd really be interested in hearing you justify that position.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I believe that every American citizen should be able to be armed as well as a modern infantrymen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Personally use a shotgun at home as well, Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Makala: 'they should have M2s in the home? that would be interesting :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hall cleaners :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'assault rifles for all'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i am not american so i dont really care'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Again Korridel you are just reading it the way you want to and not how it actually is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'So, convicted felons should be able to have M-16s.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No, Lamya, M4s'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'What part of it saying "Well armed militia" is me misreading it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is not trolling.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'I want a CA-130 spooky gunship :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We have a tank in our front yard.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'What kind of tank Rizgoth?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I want a B2 Spirit stealth bomber'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Sen. Dianne Feinstein, how sponsered the current gun legislation in Washington, honestly believed that you bought magazines full of bullets for your gun... like a "gun-battery".  How can she propse to legislate something that she hasn't even taken the time to understan?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'A propane tank?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'M1 abrams'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Rizgoth!!!  Andurien cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about 20 years old, was military surplus, the barrel was blocked, but we replaced it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Erie silence from Snooky. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what did you replace it with?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is illegal to unblock a tank barrel also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'There are two parts to that sentance in the 2nd Amendment. We have the right to a well regulated militia AND the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with a new barrel made by a local metal guy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A heavy duty pipe, you told him?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I don't understand how pansy people are when it comes to freedom.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, we know the guy, a family friend, it is military specs barrel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Does Charles Manson have a right to carry a machine gun?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Lamya quit strawmanning. Nobody argued that felons should have guns.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Very nice, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tank sits on a small hill, so people driving by can see it.....you would be surprised how many people stop and ask about it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Actually, you are the one suggesting that the Second Amendment gives every American an absolute right to bear arms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I can argue that we are too quick to make people felons however, but that is another argument.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'A convicted felon is a lesser citizen seperate from the rest of us.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'If it's an absolute, inalienable right, then the government can't take it away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's fine if that is your only argument though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'who needs liberty when we have Xbox, Facebook, smartphones, mmo games etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, if you commit a felony, you're a felon'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'riz if i saw a tank id also pull over and want to look at it'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so if you ever drive around rural Texas roads, and see a tank on a small hill with the guns pointed at the road....that is our ranch. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well it's an ammendment. You can change an ammendment but there is a very stringent process to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'So, aside from people who the government has designated as "Felons" who else, in your mind, is a "lesser citizen"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Me :(('
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Lamya'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'calling all trolls, this debate needs to be restarted...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel responds to the call!
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uzis and mac 10s are only good for shooting at watermelons.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'I say this whole issue is to be judged from your own perspective: for example if you have never been a victim of gun related crime you probably would say it is wrong but if have been a victim you might say it is the right thing to do '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Grrr the Watermelon King'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'don't think the watermelons would agree... :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'If you change your stance on the 2nd JUST because someone you know gets shot, you are a coward and your opinion isnt worth a whole lot on the matter anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's not a perspective issue it's a rights issue.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Snooky person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither and will lose both.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'big words, I guess on your planet no one ever change their mind because of a traumatic experience?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Society's view on the levels of liberty vs. safety certainly has shifted over the years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Andurien person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'So I suppose you think the rule that says you can't bring a gun onto an airplane is unconstitutional.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Sure they do. But to say "wah my son got shot no citizens should be able to own guns" is a bitch ass thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But it is still a rights issue'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hear the West Point Annual paintball war is pretty exciting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'And Snooky, kindly lose the straw man.  Nobody's saying "no citizen should be allowed to own a gun."  They're saying things like, "nobody should be able to buy a gun without a background check -- even if they're buying it from a 'gun show'."  '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Saying you can't have a gun on an airplane has nothing to do with the 2nd Lamya.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i love paintball'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So I should'nt be able to sell or give a gun to my child without paperwork and a backround check? Fuck that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Doesn't it?  It seems you've retreated from your position that the "right to bear arms" is absolute.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'paintball is great.....good way to practice shooting people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'No I just understand the constitution better than you Lamya. An airport is a business. They can say what you can and cannot do in thier airport and on their airplanes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'thats what I use CoD for... it even taught me how to reload before my clip was empty just so I'd be rdy... ::eye roll::'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'You do know that the people who stop you from bringing guns onto airplaines (the TSA) is part of the federal government, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The TSA stops us from doing a lot of things.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'snooky and lamya maybe you two should submit your opinions to your congressmen and maybe you can get your way :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'or alternativly they could just stfu'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'that would be even better styx'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Yes it does.  Mainly, it stops people from keeping and bearing arms on airplanes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah Styx what were we thinking? Debating on the debate channel! Jeez'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Better than on the gossip channel for sure'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Maybe you should take your styx ass back to obscurity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'huh?  That didn't even make sense.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I said...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Maybe you should take your styx ass back to obscurity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I mean you never say anything ever unless it is to sound like a snob.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'nope, still doesn't, sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So run along thinking you are somebody. Hiveling.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not saying I don't like you Styx but it made sense to me'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'always liked 1st amendment best, but 2nd is important too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we wouldnt need all this TSA bullshit if we would just target people from the middle east.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Korridel: 'Please watch the personal attacks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Israelis can see an evil doer just from looking at them and how they act, and they are mostly right.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'target like move the cross hairs more accurately before pulling the trigger?  didn't we go to two countries and do that?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, couldnt think of the word I was trying for, so I used target instead :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'racial profiling, that is it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Border patrol agents are trained to look for how people act when they cross the border, correct noe ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'racial profiling is great until the other side does it, then it is a terrible breach of civil rights...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Border Patrol Agents do not man the ports of entry'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The patrol the lands between the official ports of entries'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let them, I could care less if the middle eastern countries do it themselves....most of them already do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the bp is just a bunch of lackeys who chase after the illegals who cross the border? :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I suppose if you want to call us lackeys... everybody who has a boss is a lackey :-p'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'At least you get the ride the atvs right ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'only if you're certified'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Which I am :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'certified insane?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my 3 yr old 2nd cousin is certified.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The River Styx: 'So you've met your future wife Riz?  Thats nice.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Don't think your three year old does the same things on atvs :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably, not, give him a couple years. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Heehee'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Certified: Course the government gets you so they can fuck you if you get hurt'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Gives you'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm way too young for Riz btw styx'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'and he liked boiled carrots'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'K bye'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see......a medical marijuana dispenser was arrested by the feds, and a $400,000 bail was set......a federal agent was arrested for child porn....hundreds of videos were found in his house and on his computer, and he was bonded for $5,000'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'some guy who produces corn sent a bunch of 20-21 year kids into a grain machine, with the thing on, and two of them got sucked to their deaths, and his fine got slashed to something like 5,000 bucks too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'red corn eh ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'yeah, the maximum penalty for reckless endangerment of your employees lives, and rampant disregard for regulations is a misdemeanor with 6 months in prison. maximum. it's true: justice doesn't exist.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a reason why cameras are not allowed in federal courthouses....they dont want you to know the truth of the banana republic justice taking place.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe it's because not everyone who gets dragged in front of a federal judge is ever found guily, and doesn't deserve to be web-cast around the world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'VLC is good for video, and boot leg episodes of Game of thrones... but for podcasts, I'd go with winamp'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oops... wrong chennel'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'do north korea have nuclear weapons'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'michael jackson would still be alive if he had used marijuana instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So what do you all think about the U.N. gun ban treaty that was signed the other day.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'here we go again'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I shot that treaty in the nuts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is obviously an aggravated felon.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The treaty litterally has a part in it that says pretty much that civilians need to be disarmed because they threaten the power monopoly of the state.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'what gun ban tre3aty?  ban guns where?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well it's a United Nations treaty. So it only means something to countries if they want it to lol. But just the idea is horrible.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'so this is banning guns accross it's member nations?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'meaning no one anywhere can have gins?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yes that is the objective.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'guns?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'including militaries?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Civilians only.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so the UN peacekeepers will use sticks'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'bwahahahahahahahahaha'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the world leaders (political, business, religious) may be planning more financial meltdowns and mass genocides, so they want a disarmed public so the financial gambleers may bankrupt the general public and the deathsquads may kill the unwanted populations unopposed'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'joke.  and as they say here in the US, criminals won't obey the treaty anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky is agreeing with that Zade person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Be sure to send the gun ban memo to the terrorists, they will be glad to know that no one will have guns to shoot them with when they attack.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'you can't put the genie back in the bottle, close pandora's box, etc.  invent a time  machine and then go kill the inventor of gunpowder.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Monsanto wants immunity from being sued so that they produce and distribute products that result in mass exterminations'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Have you stopped taking your medication again ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a mass epideminc of cancers is going to be painful to a lot of unwanted victims'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'B-b-but Zade disarming citizens will redoose cryMe! You need to be a forward thinker like Obama and the Liberal hivemind!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'reduce crime by executing the criminals.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Being weak and a victim is the new thing now in America.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with the UN Treaty, are the first world nations going to cease and desist from selling weapons to the arab warlords and terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You are crazy if you want to defend your family with a semi auto rifle and 30 round magazines. You don't NEED those lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'all those islamic jihadist Arabs are going to prefer to arm themselves even more than before'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dutch researchers have created a new bird flu virus that could wipe out the human race.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You are crazy if you want to defend your family with a semi auto rifle and 30 round magazines. You don't NEED those lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You are crazy if you want to defend your family with a semi auto rifle and 30 round magazines. You don't NEED those lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You are crazy if you want to defend your family with a semi auto rifle and 30 round magazines. You don't NEED those lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I was spamming someone else and it bled over into debate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Family defense is for shotguns'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I want full auto'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Shotguns suck for that'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But rifles are good for hunting and long range defense'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Why snooky?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'with an under-barrel grenade launcher'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Vost'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'modern bows and arrows are good for long distance defence.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Skynet may yet be worried that 300 million smii-automatic rifles may destroy a loot of those killer drones sent to exterminate the excess unwanted public'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i designed a collar mounted shotgun for my dogs, it's bark activated. i  rely upon them to defend my home.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why would you want a shotgun with as few as two shells? They kick hard. And AR-15 will treat you much better. Especially for women.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'modern shotguns have 12 shots.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if you are sitting in a castle, crossbows may be more convenient'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the best part is, if they kill someone they get put down, and i get off scot-free.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Shotguns can  have way more shells than that snooky'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'the asians that defended their stores during the LA riots used AR-15s'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I said as few as.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know they can have more duh.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And for hallways you just have to point your shotty around the corner and you're almost guaranteed to hit em'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'an ar-15 can have as few as that as well :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 50 shot p90 rules.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Plus, the sound of a shotgun getting ready to kick ass de-escalates a lot of situations quickly'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well an AR-15 typically has a 20-30 round magazine to go with it. They have more regulations on the type of shitgun you can own than rifles these days.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Noegel, are you Joe Biden irl?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I KNEW thats why you were such a loose cannon. '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love shotgun shells filled with bear repellent....shoot the bastard in the face with that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And shotguns don't kick as bad as people make it seem.  I'm 5'1.5" and I can handle a shotgun with slugs just fine at work'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a family requires several semi-automatic rifles and lots of ammo to defend against the death squads (that the Snooky propagandists of disarm-the-public  seem to be supporting indirectly)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Zade I was being sarcastic with the anti gun remarks. I know it might have been hard to catch it. I'm not as good at expressing sarcasam through the MUD as abe is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Whoops'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am 100% non-bitch ass pansy and pro gun.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UN leaders and bureaucrats are obviously planning mass exterminations -- disarming the public is among the steps'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A gay pansy according to your comments earlier'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'me? sarcastic? NEVER!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Erm, non-pansy'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'if you honestly believe that any sort of handheld weapon would do you any good against a modern military if the government turned against the population you're seriously misinformed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sarvasm in debate is a mortal sin'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sarcasm in debate is a mortal sin'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Fawlty, I overrun tank armies and fighter jets with my rifle everyday JUST FOR FUN!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and which modern military might you be referring about ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'pick one. :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wont be the US military.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh and smart artillery?  I shoot those shit smart shells right out of the air!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So Fawlty what is your answer to a tyranical government? Let me guess it's do what they want because the own you right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But not everyone is as awesome as me'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'My answer is passive resistance. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel giggles about passive resistance.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I love that sort of defeatist logic. If our weapons "won't help us" then tell me why they try so fucking hard to take them from us?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'The answer is that there isn't a they, they're just us.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'As a christian I also believe that resistence to tyranny is obedience to God.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel looks at Snooky ponderingly.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Are your guns going to help you when the hosts of heaven descend from heaven to lay waste to mankind?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Explain, please, Snooky.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a debate, the opponents are going to interpret the "sarcasm" as either support for their agenda or an admission that the "sarcastic twit" is deranged and (expletive deleted)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I shoot down angels with my AR-15.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'll apologize for that then Zade, that was my first time being sarcastic ever in my life.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love riding angels as warplanes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'we're not really debating, we're just entertaining ourselves while we level, i think. maybe i've got it wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I just want to have these discussions while it is still legal to do so:P'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'One time, I rode an angel at the Alamo and punched Santa Anna in the nuts during a fly-by, it was pretty sweet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a debate, there is no "sarcasm", everything "sarcastic" you say and type shall be used as evidence against you and your (defective) platform'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel thinks Zade is a defective platform.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Remember the Alamo !'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know Zade, I was on the debate team once. I was a master at it. I was beating dudes off with both hands.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'In a debate of course.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you say you were "sarcastic", your opponents say you were "serious"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hey Rizgoth did you go to the Alamo when they had Travis's letter on display for like a few days?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky watches on as Zade goes on a trip to TANGENT-TOWN.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I bring my shotgun to debates, "Let's see how your logic does against force, debate nerds!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I blame this on Obama, Evolution, and Legitimate Abortions'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Fawlty can I buy you a pretitle?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Abortion is murder.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'question what is legitmite rape'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'will it be Basil?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's not going to be "The Hive is" is it snooky'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(a visit to tangent-town may be the last chance in some while to flush (flesh) out a tirade against "debate sarcasm")'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'i was at the battle of the alamo.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I like your tirade, Zade, please continue.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I was thinking "Logic is" for your pretitle.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, you're a pussy if you're still alive then haha'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'santa anas donkey saved me'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I liked the letter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But Zade, there was no debate. This started with me and you circle jerking our pro guns and freedom stances.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He was a badass.  Basically, "Yeah there are more than a thousand mexicans and four thousand more coming in a couple days, but God sent some bushels of corn and we're awesome.  Probably gonna die, but whatever.  We're gonna kill a lot of mexicans.  k bye"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'If you'd like, you may, buy you might still be annoyed at me for unfriending you. I was Cloudkicker yesterday.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wants a donkey.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'YOU'RE Cloudkicker!?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'and Abyssinian, and Caelestis. Yes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So you unfriend me because you don't like drama, and then you come into a debate starring Snooky?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we named a lake after him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '*confused Jackie Chan*'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'After his donkey?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, travis'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel giggles.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I know'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty cuddles Snooky.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's cool.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I thought you were continuing your usual donkey antics'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That's Fawlty logic for you...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel groans at the sight of Snooky.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Can I talk about all the fag celebrities that are coming out as pro gun? I've never lost respect for more people at one time as I have this month.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I meant anti gun'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Like Snoop Dogg says the guns gots to go yo'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'If anyone needs guns it's the "fags," how else are they supposed to defend themselves from the homophobes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Exactly'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the heterosexuals requires to be extremely weaponed and stocked with ready-to-use ammunition, to defend against the heterophobes'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But Liberal hivemind thinking has convinced gays that the only freedom they should be concerned with is gay marriage and nothing else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is asexual and can't marry anybody :(
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'In any case, Snooky, look at things from the perspective of a newbie. 1) you are right, and your ex-clan is full of petty jerks. in that case, being your friend potentially alienates a large percentage of the player base. 2) if you're wrong, it means you're paranoid and i'm better off avoiding close personal contact with you. 3) if it's all some sort of elaborate sarcastic joke, then i haven't been playing long enough to be in on it. Discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't tell Nird'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He already knows.  I only marry my replicated beings'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It seems that thinks like flagrant drone strikes and the NDAA are okay as long as he cock teases making same sex marriage legal for another three years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Cock teases?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Don't forget that we're still torturing people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel looks absent-minded, her eyes staring into space. 
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'NDAA ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And Fawlty it's no big deal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no such thing as flagrant drone strikes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Good. :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'd rather not discuss all that stuff anymore. I am actually writing a book about it and I am gonna post it all on one of the boards. Havent decided which yet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'guide to trolling will the books name right>'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade approves the using of drone strikes against islamic arab terrorists in the middle east
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'spam board'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rizgoth, do you use drones to hunt deer?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when I can find one, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That would be so fun!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we use them in Alaska to hunt wolves.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Aw, that's not as exciting as the dudes who used to hunt them in helicopters'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Probably faaaar cheaper though'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'best use of drones, spying on the public: http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/08/16903237-seattle-cancels-police-drone-program-after-outcry-over-privacy-issues?lite'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Snooky to post a book on the boards -- perhaps there is an echo board'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the whackos got mad when we used the choppers, so we switched to drones.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh my God why would they get mad about helicopters'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'when i have kids, i'm buying a drone to follow them around so i can watch their every move.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably because we sometimes launched a missile at the whackos.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'huniting animals in helicopters in unsporting, unless those animals are islamic arab terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hunting animals in helicopters is seen by some as unsporting and misusing technology -- (god may become angry)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'god created the chopper and the animals, so obvious that he supports the hunting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Rizgoth, there are some technologies that are crimes to misuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If there is an overpopulation, I say not only helicopters but use rockets to wipe em out'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you can whine to satan about it when you go before him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and god is likely to (totally) unforgiving'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Satan is my bitch'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I make him clean my house'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I've tried fishing from a helicopter. It sucks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that spread radioactivity around and poison the landscape for billions of years -- likely unforgivable'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm talking conventional explosives'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Plus the avalanches would get rid of more on the way down and any small villages'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'radioactive pollution is often for keeps -- lasts longer than diamonds and herpes'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Satan got herpes from my kitten while he was cleaning the litterbox'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'radioactive pollution has a half life, and in a few years it would be low enough to be safe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"a diomaond is forever" -- so is herpes'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Satan has eternal herpes now'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'm back, Zade unplugged my labtop with a drone.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depleated uranium makes damn good ammo shells.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a half-life of a few billion years with allegedly depleted uranium'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depleted even'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'depleted U238 actuallu contains a lot of U235 and other radioactives that were unable to be extracted by the centrifuge process '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"satan" mwrely means "adversary"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Satan" likely means "Adversary"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Satan actually means my bitch who makes me pie'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nice, the profit of the company that makes Angry Birds has risen over %112 in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are a lot of wannabe satans'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Angry Birds is a Gold mine'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They had no idea such a simple game would make so much'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they made $170 million in profit last year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'that game sucks to me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I prefer Metal Gear'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'metal gear has no profit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'are you kidding?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nott like angry birds '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Angry Birds probably costs almost nothing to develop lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the vast majority of big game makers lost money in 2012...the big winners were the small companies that make simple games.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Of course not like angry birds. Metal Gear is much more intelligent and refined. But why would the hive want that when they could fill their heads with angry ass birds and buy angry bird products for their shitty kids?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Because you can't play Metal Gear solid on your cell phone while in a waiting room for an hour?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Though I play Real Racing on my phone'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because angry birds star wars blows metal gear out of the starship.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel casts magic spells and hexes on Rizgoth!
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oops wrong genre'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I tried metal gear solid...was bored out of my mind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'smartphones are a huge expenditure of money, and the marks want some smartphone game to justify the expense, so they pick the least worst games  (and yet somebody mentioned that indi games were extremely bad and perhaps a scam)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Actually I have metal gear mobile and metal gear acid on my phone.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'borderlands was fun though, driving the rover was cool.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'super meat boy'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'super meat boy sold 1.1 million copies in the last 2 years....made the TWO people in the company millions'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '1.1 million copies divided into millions, means that that smast-phone games sell for more than a dollar -- too expensive '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wasnt a phone game'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a brazenly horrid scam was tap-fish'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a downloadable xbox game.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '300 levels of insanely hard fun.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tapfish -- teach the children to feed and keep virtual starving fish alive, and drain daddy's credit card'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and what does the player learn by doing those 300 levels "by playing Super Meat Boy, you wasted your life!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least here on Aardwolf, you get to debate and learn something'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an angry birds film is being made.....plus a cartoon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'They need to make an Angry Tits game, it'll sell WAY more than those gay birds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubt it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the original angry birds passed the 1 billion downloads mark'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I mean for fucks sake kids actually dress as those fucking birds for halloween.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What kind of shitty kid whats to be an angry bird of all things?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am going to make an Angry Eskimos game......going to be a billionaire!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'My stepson asked for an angry bird costume once. And I deleted his number from my phone.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not another horridly-drawn cartoon series with inane Crow characters advocating violence to children "Hey kids, i don't like the look of that building over there. Cheer on while the building is demolished"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crazy news day'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Oh really?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UN are under fire - one of their blokes in Zimbabwe got fired by their head there after reporting concerns about Cholera outbreaks and violence during the elections. He took it to the UN tribunal who agreed that he was treated badly because he spoke out with genuine concerns whereas the UN management wanted it swept under the carpet in order to maintain relations with the Mugabee regime. He's won 5 steps in his tribunal hearing so far, there is only the final UN appeals tribunal to go'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Saudi and Qatari clerics have been administering "sexual fatwahs" giving permission for jihadi's in Syria to rape non-Sunnhi women and children'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you glad they're on "our" side?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that the UN management wanted the Cholera outbreak to continue so as to reduce Zimbabe populations'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, zade'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Ooooh yeah I heard that from "Syrian girl" on infowars!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the source, snooky, especially since she's resident in Australia'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know but thats who I seen talking about it. I'm sure they only have her on because she is attracitve and can claim to be Syrian'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'look at the trend of UN management decisions -- the UN supports tyranies, disarming the public, deaths, epidemics -- as though the agenda is mass exterminations of the excess unwanted popolaces'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of those things are overtly UN policy, some are not overt policy, but seem to happen time and again through their actions'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently Obama went to a fundraiser recently and was greeted with mass protests'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good to see him getting the hard time that he deserves'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Barack Obama in a redo of "Old Yeller" -- with some of the american public as old yeller)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of the movies and tvseries since 2009 are portraying african-americans are bad when in authority'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a lot of tv series depicting patriots and veterans as terrorists, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of psyops going on'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole gun control thing was a feeble attempt at a psyop'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have more than enough examples in RL to support that assertion, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as was the sequester'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's true that there is a massive purge of army veterans going on, they are being picked up, declared mentally unsound even if they have no illness or criminal record, and they are having their guns and gun permits taken - sometimes they're having their kids taken too, and then they're being charged for the forced hospital assessment they were given'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds suspiciously similar to the treatment of jews by the nazi's'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dubai police chief accuses Muslim Brotherhood of plotting to topple the government of the United Arab Emirates'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Muslim Brotherhood is likely plotting to replace the government of the United Arab Emirates'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a democracy, so that would imply some form of coup'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the islamic religion believes in the integration of religion and state laws, and thus the islamic religion is anti-USAmerican (with a constitution that demands the separation of religion and state)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it always was anti-american'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's anti-sovereign generally'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there were islamic Shahs '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's your solutions today, zade?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'solitions or suggestions for "The Final Solution"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'solutions to the current problems'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had an email at work today about a conference about "synthetic biology", which is essentially animals with spliced DNA to create new variants'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something about that strikes me as a bad idea'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean like carnivorous dinos with frog genes?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'next you'll try convincing me Monsanto isn't God's representative on earth'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, they're not?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like that I guess, hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'synthetic biology is just natural biology without all the sex and mistakes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like most scientific progress, the science is not bad, only the people who abuse it'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hell, a good portion of the human genome is basically bacteria we've coopted for our own purposes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(?) was going to do something, but if the UN is intending to disarm the public, the prospect of watching genocides and mass exterminations (as intended by the UN and the rich) is likely to be more entertaining and karmic (from the perspective of god) than attempting to provide fixes and solutions (the fixes won't work if mass exterminations are already being planned)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so Lod Jowers and the government were both complicit in the murder of Martin Luther King'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loyd jowers, even'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as decided by a memphis court'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"what exactly are the UN bureaucrats intending that are likely to provoke an armed populace into overthrowing and disrupting the rule of legitimate law"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stealing their money'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems as though those UN bureaucrats are terrorists (and worse) by seeking to disarm the public'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any government that seeks to rule via intimidation is terrorist by definition'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'Tiger, you think this NKorea thing will end up in nuclear war?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, terrorism is a terroristic method of governing or resisting a government'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hell no'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who would fire nukes?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'same people that did in the 40ts?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'america? doubt they'd bother'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'ta'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would take very little to take NK apart, the weaponary they do have is 50 years old and more'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd have air superiority within 24hrs, so it would be a done deal'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'was worried about the gringos tho...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it depends on whether China gets involved.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china won't get involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if china were to get involved, they'd invade before US did'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nation-building by a rival right on their doorstep, in a historically little-brother nation?  Yeah right.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think china are quite ready for a military confrontation yet, they're still building'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they'll have to get involved just to fend off that perception.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and the US isn't going to dare smoke a small nation and then just walk away from the pile of rubble.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you're more likely to see them trying to co-operate and co-ordinate with the US, maybe by invading when US takes action and hold a buffer'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not? it's what they usually do'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, we invade and then stay forever.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're already there in this case'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, and the last time we were essentially fighting against the Chinese.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you weren't fighting the chinese because they invaded'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Chinese supplied a bunch of the VK arms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US were instrumental in Mao Zedong getting into power, no point whinging about it now'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stuff has consequences'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who's whining?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'China is able to poison the products being shipped to other nations, as a prelude to a pre-emptive strike against the other nations of the world'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The West", hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'this "China" scenario is already described by some interpretations of the prophecies of Nostradamus'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America, interfering in other country's business since 1913'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might wonder why that is when it's so heavily set against it in the founding fathers docs/speeches'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what happened in 1913 that changed tha?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was qute annoyed at the headline about obama pushing banks to give mortgages to people with shit credit rating'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'As someone with a shit credit rating,even I think that is silly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing, we were interfering in other countries' business long before then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that is a fucking stupid idea and one of the huge things that caused the collapse in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'remake the same mistake as Clinton did in the 1990s that led to the collapse in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts called JINX before Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: ''13 was when some crazy eurotrash bosnian killed a crazy eurotrash albanian (or croatian, or whatever) in the ribbon-cutting ceremony that started WWOne.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also the year the fed was created'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by banks that were going around funding both sides in wars/revolutions'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as the russian revolution :-) they bankrolled Marx'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'America ransacked the Mexican Empire about a decade before and all the major players were buying/stealing/treatying up land and arming themselves since that time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spanish land, you mean'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought Mexico seceded by then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, not american, so my history is a tad sketchy about that'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anywho, we managed to steal the Arizona region, along with the Phillipines, various pacific islands, Cuba and several Caribbean colonies we later "freed" as protectorates.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they still demanding them back?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Cuba was even nearly voted in as the 51st state twice.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the first time it was still under Spanish control, and as the Civil War had ended shortly prior even the politicians were sick of war so they voted no.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the second time was just before WW1 but the Cubanos were all "screw you, gringos! We want our land back!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mexicans are doing a good job of taking America over'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel loves Mexicans.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel also loves Jews.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no sarcasm there at all'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mexicans are willing to invade the countries nobody else wants.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd very much like America, so please tell them to stop invading'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at least invade the bits i don't want'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"Si, senor!  Here's a steek!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who do you think you are, Antonio fecking Banderas?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, I am the most popular man in the world.  Stay thirsty, my friend!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Antonio Banderas is a talented actor'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Glako choke snooky
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky thinks Glako might be still crunchy from before or maybe unsafe.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'you now have to have a background check for even bullets in NY while in Georgia in one county you must own a gun.  is this the start of the end of guns, or the start of the end of liberal state's rights?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It is a tug of war'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'are you sure there aren't other options?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The Liberals won't win. Not through regular legislation they won't. '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I mean I don't get how people like Mayor Bloomberg or Rahm Immanuael get by ignoring the fact that the strict gun laws in their cities do NOTHING to curb their crime rates. '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'simple fear mongering'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Snooky meant:  "Snooky disrespects Mayor Bloomberg or Rahm Immanuael for ignoring the fact that the strict gun laws in their cities do not curb their crime rates"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And here is a fact, gun regestration in history has almost always been followed up by gun confiscation. And gun confiscation is usually followed by a totalitarion society and democide.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and mass killings as in the USSR'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Polish jokees during and after WWII'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I want to be that totalitarian leader...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yep, governments in history have been the biggest killers of human beings in history. You are a fool if you think it can't go down like that here in the states. Technically we are on that road right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Poland government disarmed the Poland public, the Nazis invaded Poland and killed a lot of the Polish, and "how stupid are the Polish" jokes started'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah the polish people being dumb thing was Nazi propaganda. The USSR even used the same propaganda later.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Polish army surrending was also unfortunate: Katyin Forest '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'with silly stories like how the Polish cavalry charged at a tank battalion because they thought the tanks were made of cardboard.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sorok: 'there isn't enough history to say something like it is 'almost always' followed by confisacation. and in the history we can look at, thats not even close to true. you're nuts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sorok: 'most western countries have gun registration '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USSR government committed genocide'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And they certainly arent as free as we are here in the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Once the US gets disarmed, prepare for hell.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sorok: 'you are free to do whatever you want so long as it doesnt break any laws. so about average freedom.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'people only follow the laws that are convenient -- '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sorok: 'not sure why americans have the highest incarceration rate and tout freedom as one of their strong points'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well as long as we have a 2nd amendment no disarmament can happen legally.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God is okay with people disrespecting inconvenient laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'until another amendment superceedes  That's why they are amendments  they add'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Thats right Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So to be clear, is anyone here actually in favor of all citizens being disarmed and only allowing police and military to have them?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I just want to see the scale here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I'm in favor of it, but i also don't think it's possible.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no. I'm only okay with one outcome.  I have guns.  you do not.  Like everyone else thinks...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Zade, every country has genocide in its history.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'So practically, i'm in favor of limiting new sales... especially in the case of mental illness and fenoly backgrounds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So Fawlty you would be okay with all citizens being at the mercy of it's government and the criminals of the world?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I'm okay with the mentally ill having guns.  Just not bullets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I think we already are at the mercy of the government, and i don't think gun ownership really prevents crime. Rather, i think the ready availablity of firearms empowers criminals.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'any mentally ill that wants to fire a gun only needs to join the armed forces.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Define mentally ill. Because with the rate that doctors consider people "depressed" that may be a slippery slope and a dirty liberal loophole.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no, it is'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'tell me that marine yelling at that woman in the car isn't mentally ill.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everybody sb armed -- if the mental defectives unjustly kill a few, euthanise the mental defectives -- great for evolution'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'if Virginia had been complying with the federal regulations in place at the time, the Virginia Tech shooter wouldn't have been allowed to buy guns.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Fawlty if we were allready at the mercy of the government then why do they want to disarm us as much as possible? You do know that the places with the loosest gun laws are the places with lower crime right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and how about your idiot neighbor that brings the gun out to look at it and blows a whole through his wall, your wall, and your chest cavity?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Look at Australia... they had one mass shooting, passed strict gun regulations, and haven't had any mass shootings of note since. Look at America, we have a mass shooting, do nothing, and then more mass shootings.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'so our government isnt doing it to "stop crime" they know that idea is false. They want them for other reasons.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people in the US like to follow hot trends :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Mass shootings are reare'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the government doesn't want to 'disarm' us in any case, they're just trying to ban the sale of assault weapons at this point.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ethanisae the neighbour that was clumsy with the gun leading to an unjust fatality'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'the libs are under your bed, snooky'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that would probably thin out neighborhoods beyond economic repair :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'and they're gonna take yer guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I don't even own gun at the moment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"with guns, there is no such thing as an accident"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I own two so there you go. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just don't move next door to me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But I'd like to own one again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'you can.  Just not in this country.  ANd there's currently a waiting period in ny for bullets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You dont have to register your guns here in Wisconsin and concealed carry is legal as well.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you know you don't need weapons in order to masturbate. It is a myth that if you don't have a big fire stick you won't get an erection.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'because they're sold out.  Becusae people are in panic.  Because they think like you do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'house sb constructed to be bullet-proof and bullet-resistant, including the windows'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and their isnt a reason to panic? The idea of a right being infringed on doesnt mean anything to you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and all those idiots who buy guns and don't train in their use are practically committing suicide. They are as likely to shoot themselves as hitting the side of a barn.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in further news, house prices leap drastically'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'To answer your earlier question about not being at the mercy of the government: try not paying your taxes. Try holding up in your house with guns, and just refusing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: '12 gauge has what kind of girth speaking of masturbation'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'They will eventually show up with tanks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'And your firearms will be useless.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'get a bigger hard on when safe -- so guns are a stimulent'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Right anaristos, because EVERYONE who gets a gun is going to hurt themselves or somebody else on accident.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'saying that the "government can kill us once they take our guns" is sort of silly right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'they have nukes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they only show of with tanks because very few put them in that predicament. If EVERYONE refused to pay taxes there wouldn't be anything the government could do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but as long  as the people play the role of the sheep, those in government will be very happy to play wolf.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Happiness is a warm gun" -- practice safely at the firing range'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'right now states are trying to pass laws that nullify any federal gun grab laws. Federal agents caught in states like Wyoming or texas attempting to enforce federal gun laws can be arrested by police.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'that is the kind of awesome shit I like to hear.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I bet they'll shoot them rather than just arresting them.  That'd teach everyone...something.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Anaristos: do you honestly think everyone refusing to pay taxes would be a good thing?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Iceland did something like that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'the south already does refuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Snooky, do you have a citation for the fedral agent thing?  I want to read more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'All rich people refuse to pay taxes too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is not whether it is a good thing or not, the point is that it would properly devolve the power to the people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'arguments extolling anarchy are ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Wouldn't a new, less just tyranny rise from the resulting period of anarchy, putting us more at the mercy of government rather than less?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in theory, the only reason government works is because the people allows themselves to be governed. In practice, the people think that they must be governed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Haladin, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/10/wyoming-gun-control_n_2451438.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I think you're underestimating the firepower at the command of the United States military, in particular.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even now in the XXIth century, the US population thinks itself as ruled by royalty. They apply the same behavior to the government as they would to the crown.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twenty-firth?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know Huffington post boooo. But All I did was google Wyoming anti gun law and gave you the first thing that was not from a gun hobby website.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so cowardice is the motivation of the Fawlty platform '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos winks suggestively at you. 
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Zade, tsk tsk tsk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Who says that our own american millitary would even fire on its own people? Sure some but not all. There will always be dissent. And dissenters from the millitary will *gasp* bring some of their tanks and bombs with them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'First of all, the government is required to enforce social order, enforce laws, and mantain infrastructure. I think it's a good thing that there's government, and i think it's a good thing we pay our taxes. Secondly, the government protects people from other people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Fawlty, of course there are risks in rebellion. Those favoring the status quo are not going to sit still. It is the fear of the citizenry to get hurt that keeps most governments in power.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Without government, we'd be at the mercy of whatever dictatorial jerk got control of the local militias.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the people protect people from other people'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Eric Holder confirmed that will not happen, Snooky'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but once the citizens decide that they rather be dead than ruled, the government is done.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'In my case, i don't see a popular rebellion in the United States resulting in a more government after the rebellion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Tell me more Haladin.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'my turn: you tell me how we'd be better off after a popular rebellion in the united states, and what workable form of government would be more justan equitable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Fawlty does have a point.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Revolutions almost never turn out good in the end.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'arguments extolling ludicrous conjectures are ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Zade, your statement is contradictory. If there is no government, then there is no dictator. You can't have those 2 situations concurrently.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Before clarifying, are we talking drones or just gunplay in general?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'snooky's got a point about Fawlty...'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Zade, what if a large group of white people decides to 'protect' their daughters from a smaller group of black people because they're racists?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Who protects the black people?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I think some of the daughters might object :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Our American revolution was lucky it even got off the ground much less succeeding'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'they were rebels'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Snooky, and primarily because George Washington refused to become a new king, and tried to spread out power as much as possible.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Fawlty conjecture is faulty -- there are other more likely conjecturees'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'geo was a true lib'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually, if you read the real history, you'll find that most of those who led the American revolution, did not intend to secede from the crown.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Where's the fault in citing a situation that's already occured.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'An armed insurrection would be bloody as hell and would turn us into a shithole country for a long time afterwords.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they fully expected the king to grant them their request and continue ruling the colonies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'The fact is, southern states used to oppress, beat, kill, and enslave black people on the a basis of racism, and the federal government stopped them. There's a case of government protecting one group of people from another. Clear as day.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad conjectures attempt to perevent decent conjectures'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'but they only stopped them because they wanted to eat them - little known "fact"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But its not the US government that is out to get us. It's criminal elements in all the worlds governments and largest corperations. A New World Order. Global government is the endgame objective. Purposely putting the united states to ruin is a part of achieving this objective.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the reason the North stood against slavery wasn't because they were humanitarian, they did it because they couldn't compete economically.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'faulty conjectures attempt to prevent decent conjectures'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and at the center of the war between the states, was the cotton. Which was, in those days, worth its weight in gold.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'what's wrong with one government the world over?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'one set of laws.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Zade, you still haven't pointed out where the fault lays in my statement so i'll just assume you can't actually find one, and just disagree for the sake of disagreeing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'one ring to guide them and all that'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I prefer not to be governed, personally :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'you'd have no international wars'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'because that would be our own people'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I prefer not to be governed, but i like the interstate system.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the old Yugoslavia showed that you don't need external enemies to be at war :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'good point - it'd be one shindig of a civil war though, huh?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'Before clarifying, are we talking drones or just gunplay in general?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The problem is the entire world being enslaved by an elite ruling class. No more soveriegny Dardezael. Mass extermination of people and anything you knew as freedom being gone. That is what a one world government would be.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the one thing wrong with one government for the planet is, that it would make it very easy to strip regions of resources and transfer them to a favored region. There would not be a need for actions like US in Iraq. The government would just go there and grab the resources.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no it wouldn't, any more than that's ours now'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'What freaks me out is the coming global water shortage, and internation corporations buying up water resources in africa, and south america.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's very kind of you not to mention where those corporations reside :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Just look at anything the UN does and you'll be getting that shit x1000 with an actual one world government'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no, I mean think like it would work.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the UN is a sewing circle, not a government.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Those corporations reside internationally, most of them split up their operations to sit in nations with the lowest tax rates for  the particular products, and services the individual branches provide.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well it depends on what the system in place would be. One world to me screams technocratic dictatorship.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't say, where they technically reside, I said were they originate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a one world government is likely to result in hell on earth'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky is agreeing with that Zade person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'So Starbucks, for instance, in theoretically basedout of Seattle, WA, but they're coffee buying operations are incorporated somewhere in the netherlands because taxes of coffee purchases are virtually non-existent there.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's like ships who are reigestered in Liberia and owned in mid-town LA.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'what if it was like america's gov but better rrun?  and guns!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I think we're agreeing Anaristos. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That would never happen Dardezael'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'well that's that then.  Fuck peace.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'One world government can only come by destroying every nations soveriegnty and culture.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I believe in a eugenically created society of super-men who will govern us all wisely as philosopher kings!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why do you think we go at it so hard trying to fuck up the middle east.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'oil'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I think we're partically playing out another chapter in a millenia-old holy war.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'RIght because they have it. And therfore can trade and operate independant of the world superpowers'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'that was supposed to be partially.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'if those philosopher kings came to be, they would be shot by the outlawed guns I bet'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'they'd be able to dodge gunfire, i'm sure.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Iran isnt bad because they hit their women and want nukes. They are bad because they are not part of the global hivemind agenda.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'matrixy philosopher kings?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Hell I don't blame them for wanting nukes, they want to be relavent on a global level.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UN is extremely corrupt and extremely incompetent'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'we caused the current problem in iran by overthrowing their secular democratic revolutionary government, and re-instating their monarch to protect british oil interests.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'then, the revolutionaries fled to the mosques, and the next revolution was a religious one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I think they gave their people guns in that case.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no wait.  We did.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Snooky uses "hivemind" as both an insult and as praise -- so "hivemind" as used by Snooky is currently "incoherent noise"'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'still wondering about the girth on a 12 gauge'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I use it as a praise?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Since when?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The government of Iran was never democratic. Ask any Persian who ran into SAVAK agents.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"[04 Apr 22:59:28] (Debate) Snooky: 'Iran isnt bad because they hit their women and want nukes. They are *bad* because they are *not* part of the global *hivemind* agenda.''
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'where did that "hivemind" phrase even come from?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'That isnt a praise Zade, I am stating the actual reason that the US puts sanctions on their economy. It has nothing to do with what the news media tells us. It's not a good guy vs bad guy situation. It is a geopolitcal one. The hivemind is behind it and it is bad, not praise.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I am not saying that Irans treatment of women or them trying to secure nukes are good either. It probably is in our best intrests to stop them from doing so. But lets say they do nuke someone somewhere, our government will be somewhat at fault. Just like we were for the 9/11 attacks, which were an inside job by the way.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Snooky, you are saying that Iran is bad because Iran is not bad  -- (is Snooky an islamic sleeper mole)'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is an actual mole and would like to be petted now.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Dammit Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: '"they were an inside job"  um.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Which WAS an inside job.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'you don't really believe that though do you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It was a false flag attack no doubt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'see you're not liberal - I'd expect that from a liberal'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Why a liberal? they don't care what our government does as long as our president is black and cockteases gay rights.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'well yeah completely true'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'lol that is pretty terrible statement'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'The truth hurts Twyst, but first it will piss you off.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'nothing in that statement was true'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'logically speaking that is'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Romney or Mccain while not better choices for president by any means would not be able to get away with what Obama has done without extreme amounts of dissent and protesting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what has Obama done and got away with?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I had sexual relations with Obama.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'an assassination program for american citizens, for one'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well he resigned the patriot act AND signed the NDAA into law. More corperate bailouts. Coming after our 2nd amendment to name a few.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'the Monsanto protection act is another.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'did you say resigned?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Obama is just chocolate Bush.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'Noegel, Obama slept in my house.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but republicans tripped all over themselves lining up to vote for Bush'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 're-signed'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yes he renewed the patriot act. And Obama is the name of Noegel's warhorse.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'where was the jibbering fear fest when the patriot act was signed into law?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I meant to say that he renewed the patriot act he could of easily let it expire.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'Ride em, cowboy!'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It actually is.  It also has a chocolate bush.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flees the debate channel!  What a troll!
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you can dislike Obama (not to sound patronizing), but be internally consistent'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'patriot act is way worse than a freaking background check for a weapon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And saying that Bush did all that sort of stuff doesnt make it right or justify his actions in any way. We as Americans have been trained to eat shit and like it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the color of poop is also brown'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'yeah, i don't like it'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Obama is poopy Bush.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'These are the 98 U.S. senators for voted in favor of the US Patriot Act of 2001 (Senator Landrieu (D-LA) did not vote) Senator Russ Feingold of Wisconsin was the only senator who voted against the Patriot Act on October 24, of 2001. '
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'And our problems go much further than who are President is at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I dranka red bull'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'politics is an incentives based game'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I drank a red bulls life force'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It was a mistake excuse my typo town'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am now wearing it's hide'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the people who do these things are reelected then they keep doing them'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah the problem lies in the voters and not the electorate'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Wait....'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if McCain was pres we would be in a decade+ long conflict with Iran right now'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'he would have attacked mexico'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I was breastfed for the first 15 months of my life thats why I am so awake to what the hivemind really is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am still breastfed'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not by choice, either :('
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I'm being breast fed right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... what the fuck does that have to do with anything?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I think it explains everything Majic'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Are you talking about the time you sucked my nipple at the pub Noegel? That wasnt milk those were just calcium deposits, and nipple hair.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dardezael rapidly nods twice, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'that makes me think of cheese for some reason'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anyways, how does aardwolf feel about human cheese? I think it's wierd that we don't eat it but we'll drink other animals milk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'enjoyment of a game is simpler when some concepts are simply avoided'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrugs, whatever floats your boat. It seems like a good way to spread disease though unless awfully careful with hygeine'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'In fact I find it strange that we don't eat placenta as well. Just about every other mammal does it. Why do we find it so gross?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, in general eating the placenta disposes of the signal to predators that a birth has recently happened and thus there's a helpless baby to be eaten'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i mean, cows EAT it, but they don't digest it, you see it virtually unchanged in their shit later.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Majic - post that great suggestion on the ideas-forum:  milk expiration dates, after which the milk spreads a diseased and poisoned effect when used'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'huh expired milk doesn't give you disease, it just turns into yoghurt which is sort of gross to drink'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well Majic that'll reduce the amount of pedofiles having their way. Throw them off the trail. Then we can hide out and make human cheese while we hide in the woods with our guns.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've seen green mold on expired milk products -- didn't look like yoghurt'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what ... on ... earth?'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'okay, it can grow mold if it lasts REALLY long, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the what on earth was to snooky, btw'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'cheese grows mold but I've never seen it on milk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'human blue cheese'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but hard cheese is not unsafe after mold has developed, just slice the mold off and eat the rest.'
T3/r7/2013-04-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'and human cheese is?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That illegal alien that got a law degree in Florida and passed the bar in Florida, but was denied admittance to the bar because he was illegal should go back to Mexico and practice law there.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He could go back to Mexico on his own free will and apply for a visa'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'Law... in... mexico ?!?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'His degree will make him more valuable'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, he came to the US as a tourist and never left when his tourist visa expired....he went to college, and then law school.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'practice American Law in Mexico -- unlikely to be a demand unless ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He could just leave on his own'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If he gets removed by the government it's gonna be a heck of a lot harder to get a visa'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that's not very neighbourly, next you be insisting that he be deported'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Who me?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He could be a lawyer for the cartels.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are always looking for good counsel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the life expectancy working for the cartels'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Forever as long as you don't offend them'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But I've seen my fair share of decapitation photos or videos of zetas getting chainsawed in half it really isn't interesting to watch anymore'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It just like watching another cat video on youtube'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'green leafy veggies, chili powder, and tomato paste are secret weapons when it comes to making a realy good soup.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Donkey paste'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, shrimp ramen, garlic powder, onion, black pepper, pinto beans, spinach, tomato paste, potato cubes, and a handful of shrimp......good soup.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and a nice spice blend.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Who wants to invest in the first orbital mining facility?  It will only cost about $50 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they will use convicts for labor :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '50 billion?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yeah, right'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's the number they give to the investors, pre project'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the actual price is $25 billion, but they want to build 2 of them....:p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'To mine what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'asteroids and comets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'll believe it when I see it'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, but for what raw materials?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the first thing the pigs will want to get is all the gold in the asteroids.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they will use mining craft to go to the rocks, mine the ore, then take the ore to the refining facility in orbit, and take the valueable stuff to earth, while the water will be used to power spacecraft and provide water for drinking, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gold, platinum, nickel, zinc, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I saw the movie :) Outland'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cost of the mining operation is going to cost more than the gold extracted'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I really only see space mining useful for building structures in space, so the valuable metals will be iron, titanium et al. Gold is useless.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'doesn't matter, because the mining operation is being paid with paper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a paper dollar is worthless.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '100 year bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Worth about a can of cokek to me!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Paper money is a contract for work. It has value. Gold is just valuable because it's rare, and pretty.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Pretty!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel prefers silver.
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention paper money has value that is set to what we want it to be set too, unlike minerals which are based on demand.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is only a contract if there is faith in its value, so if you were wondering why the dollar is plummeting, now you know why.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so a 100 year bond would return a steady interest rate for generations.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gold transcend demand.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'trancends*'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, a 100 year bond would return a steady stream of toilet paper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by the time the bond matures, a loaf of bread would cost what the bond did originally.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the return would be a fixed rate plus inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, dream on'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'govt backed bonds are a fixed rate plus inflation for some of them. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, you are assuming that the US will own the solar system. Fat chance. The competition will rather get into a tactical war than give the US the system.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go ahead and fund your own project, we dont care.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh thats right...you cant even afford ramen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you will be partners in our project :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a western country joint project is the best way to do it anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US space exploration has been, and will remain, implicitly military for the foreseeable future. If the US can get some mining along the way, fine. But the that's not why they are trying to go into space.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'MARS!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'is the Mars project civilian?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'It's the sequel to the moon, more dust on a bigger sphere'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'last I've heard, ARPA is part of the DoD.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'cgi is better this time around but so is access to information... :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'd say fuck space for a little while. But that is just my opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'anaristos, I heard is for 2 classes. Rich and very intelligent scientists'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait until the US finds out it's cheaper and quicker to drop a rock from space on some uppity country.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the USA is benevolent even when it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, they will need intelligent scientists, but they will be fonded by the pentagon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos skipped science in school'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it was Operation Iraqi Freedom'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, I skipped science in school.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'although I would hate to see operation Iraqi distruction'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos winks at Twyst.
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I bet Operation Mars Freedom is going to be awesome :) '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and actually, compared to Viet Nam, the Iraq war was rather tame :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canadians drive on the correct side, but the British on the wrong side...why is that ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'possibly but the blow back from Iraq will most likely be worse'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Have you ever heard of finlandization?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods.
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what happened to Canada :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, the Canadians are smarter then the british then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are a bit more cowed. The US worships the UK, they treat Canada as a possession :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, if you pass without trace, you cast both. But you have to recast it after combat.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right. There is no detect sneaking.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'At least I'm not the only one who mischans frequently'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like how Amsterdam does property taxes.....the tax is based on how wide your house is....the wider the house, the larger the tax rate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Interesting I guess sucks for the people with older homes'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why? most homes are thin, and tall....not wide and tall :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for the mansions'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't live in a mansion but it definitely isn't thin'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like the idea of cafes selling marijuana though.....If states allowed that here, the feds would go broke trying to close down stores that sold it. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you maen you like how the government of amsterdam indirectly dictates what shape your house is?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in itally, its based on if your lawn is mowed, and how many widows and TV antene you have'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is your point?  property taxes do that anywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am thinking of a 50 foot across concrete dome.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would make a nice cabin in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Plenty of dome houses here'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Never had the pleasure of going inside of one, however'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'looking at the "drug testing welfare recipients" issue... '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the ACLU states "These bills are introduced by legislators based on the wrong belief that people who receive public assistance use drugs at a higher rate."... but according to the new york times, drug use is exploding among the poor '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which liberal source do I believe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Latter'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You're getting free money... why should you be upset you have to take a drug test, I mean come on'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so drug use is on the rise among the nations poor, while it is in over all decline (same source)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't know honestly'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If you need assistance, then you shouldn't be spending money on drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'on the other hand, how much does it save the state to be doing that?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You shouldn't be spending money on almost anything deemed unnecessary'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'industrial feedlots are just wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'There's no way to tell.  They aught to do a trial run'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they have been, they haven't caught high a percentage of people and it's costing quite a bit. '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching a docu called Frankensteer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes.. the general concensus is that the cost of drug testing had kept pace with the amound of money saved by not giving drug users free money... but I say that's a win... for the same money, states have reduced the amount of tax money being paid to drug users'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'where'd you get that, that the cost had kept pace?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ACLU and NY Times'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's break even... any money they save is eaten up by the cost of drug testing'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'aclu's website doesn't say it broke even'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's presented as a case AGAINST testing... but I see it as a case FOR testing... any amount of money you keep away from drug users is a win'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the exact phrase is "saved little'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes. But when you read it, they spent 112k for a 'net cost of 45k''
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or when the drug users overdose, we save future money from not having to send them any.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'this is not a good proportion'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, 118k'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'on the aclu's site'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-racial-justice/editorial-drug-testing-welfare-applicants-nets-little'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actual phrase was "drug-testing-welfare-applicants-nets-little"... I'll get it right eventually'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/drug-testing-welfare-recipients'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'whoops'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'http://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform-racial-justice/just-we-suspected-florida-saved-nothing-drug-testing-welfare'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'has the actual numbers and is later than the article you posted'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, some of the growth hormones allowed for use in Canada/US have been shown to cause cancer in test animals.  They are banned in the EU.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm sure messing up hormones is perfectly safe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the NY times has the same numbers that the aclu posted, as well'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Also, for the drug testing, are we assuming that the testing program has no effect on drug use?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, the testing program did not seem to have any effect on the number of applicants either'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would guess that threat of testing would cause a certain percentage to NOT do drugs'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course growth hormones cause cancer. Including the body's own hormones. This is well known. (yes, including insulin).'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the EU banned Canadian/US beef that used those hormones, and the US/Canada sued....and asked the WTO to overrule the EU.  the WTO asked for the Canadian risk assessment of the hormones used, and the Canadian govt said they were secret, and wouldnt give them up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'obviously insulin, since cancer cells have a truckload of insulin receptors - cut insulin and they kind of slow down'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'maybe, but fw'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's a lot harder to measure, and it's sort of expensive to keep rolling these programs out on the chance that they MIGHT do something'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also apparently cancer cells rather fancy sugars, so insulin is present to kickstart those cells when there is most food around'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, 2 (more) reason to avoid sugar.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not claiming the program is sensible, but if the c/b analysis only includes "money spent on drug testing" and "money saved by not giving welfare $ to people who test positive", you aren't exactly conducting an exhaustive analysis.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention madcow is widespread in Canadian beef herds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Any drug testing is an infringement on privacy and should not be allowed in a free country, imho. Except, maybe, when you are a suspect of a crime.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't have a problem with it for people holding certain sensitive jobs either. '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'drug testing should be condicted when you have your hand out'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course not, tinada, just looking at the very direct costs'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure what condicted means... but it sounded better than CONDUCTED!  (sorry)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, I don't mind drug testing pilots. They know that they will be tested, and can choose another career if they want. (Pilot was just an example).'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'govt mandated drug testing is a $10 billion a year business.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of my friends had to do drug testing for a job he signed up for. He has a master's in math and got a job teaching community college courses in a jail, and drug testing is required to work in a jail. I also don't see an issue with things like that. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you want free money.. is it that big of a hardship to 'not use drugs'?  if you CAN'T 'not use drugs', then there are free programs to fix that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Life is simple when everything is black and white, Vonliege.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if everything were black and white... we wouldn't have much debate here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that'd probobly be for the better.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only about 2% of cattle are tested for madcow when they are slaughtered for food.....and it is illegal to do your own testing and claim you are madcow free.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, a better way to word it could be if you want free money because you need it for basic sustenance, and are using drugs, what is paying for those drugs and what assurance are there that the free money won't be diverted there'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a representative sample, is all... same for antibiotics in milk, pesticides in produce....  nothing is tested 100%'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fortunately, there is no correlation between the diseases in humans and cattle, and we don't eat the brain anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's like why you offer to buy a wino a meal rather than handing him currency'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most experts feel that we should test at least 50% of cattle when they are slaughtered.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and offering to buy the wino a sandwich sometimes gets you cussed out by the wino... which sort of proves your point.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Despite no correlation? Wonder who pays those "experts"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, one of my friends used to manage a mcdonalds, and would always get hit up by panhandlers on her way to work'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'come and get a free burger?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'she'd hand them work applications with the name of her mcd's already filled in and say 'if you walk down there, i'll hire you''
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sometimes I panhandle for cheerios'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'she only ever had two do it :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'both of them, btw, turned out to be exemplary employees who had been down on their luck -- that's why they went and took the job :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'e.coli is basically a manmade disease.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How did we make it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '35 years ago, it rarely if ever sickened people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'With donkey butter'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but today, it can kill you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I thought e.coli was a bacteria we naturally have in our digestive system. Didn't know we made it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'E. Coli was discovered in feces in late 1800s'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It infected people who had their shit end up in the drinking water somehow'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'very rarely though'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'modern e.coli isnt the same, the kind in the stomach of cattle is much stronger.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did we have the capability to "see" any bateria prior to the "late 1800s"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't believe so'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet a lot of people in the middle ages got e.coli in their food, but then we didn't even know about bacteria.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm sure plenty of people got sick'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'People died of nearly everything.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we may have to irridiate all our food eventually.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hence the huge population boom this past 100 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'irradiate'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or, you know, stop industrial farming.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck with that, but then again, small time farming with direct to customer sales is becoming much more popular.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'among the educated customer, yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As long as I can get good stuff for myself, I'm happy. Let the masses eat food full of toxins and e.coli.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I inject e coli into my body daily'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but you get yours from the illegal aliens after you wash em.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why are you washing the illegal aliens?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all natural raised cattle is the way to go.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Because they smell absolutely horrific after running through the desert for a few days'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I will wash your donkeys riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why is Mexico never gonna win the olympics?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because everyone who can run, jump, or swim is in the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our donkies smell like wildflowers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'This is true Majic'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, in the Nordics the experts say it is safe to stop testing for BSE unless the animals have symptoms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck with that, we test all our animals when we get new ones from other producers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Considering that only 400 people world wide have gotten the version of the disease that might be correlated to the bovine version, it's a small risk. '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a small risk that can still kill you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the test is cheap'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, watching a docu about industrial pig farmingnow.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, since we haven't had a case in the nordics since the 90s, I don't think there is a point to test symptom free animals.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Any expert that thinks testing should be done under those circumstances is probably paid by the testing industry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too kill chickens and other birds, they are dumped upside down into boiling water until they are dead, then processed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is probably the most efficient way to kill them I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'feeding the world is messy... no doubt about it.  for those industrialized nations that produce more than they eat, they do so for two reasons... because they can, and because there is profit.  Both good reasons... if there were NO profit in it, they would stop producing, and the world would starve.  which is better?  money hungry industialist whom as a by product of their greed feed the world, or people starving?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course those that argue in favor of the "natural" route... "green" food... etc... fail to acknowlege that starvation is a perfectly NATURAL means of making sure there are only enough people to eat the food that is available.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the best thing would be for the poorest ppl on earth to get help with food and education and family planning programs. There is a strong correclation between poverty and large family size.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my only problem with industrial farming is the fact they need antibacterials to keep the animals alive long enough to be slaughtered, or the waste that is produced which isnt being used to produce electricty, or other useful things.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, that sounds good and simple, let's do that. :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's not my only problem with industrial farming, but agreed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some of it becomes fertilizer, but most of it just sits in waste ponds just waiting to be released into the environment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty much all that waste could be used to make electricity, and the leftover solids can be used to make fertilizer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has to be cost effective, or it won't get done... money is always going to seperate "could" from "will"'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is cost effective, it just costs most of it up front which is the hinderance....low interest loans to cover that cost would do it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty much every farm that got a loan to build a waste to gas facility onsite paid of its govt backed loan within 5 years, and after that enjoyed much lower prices for electricity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They essentially produced all their own electricty for the farm, and then provided enough power to the grid to power 1000's of homes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'On the topic of cattle, global warming, and other popular debate topics, I really recommend this ted talk: http://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_how_to_green_the_world_s_deserts_and_reverse_climate_change.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, turn death valley into a huge algae farm!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nope.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Cattle is the solution, not the problem.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, back in the 1800s, we had cattle all over the western US deserts chomping on desert grasslands.....now most of that land is drier.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right. Because the cattle is gone.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is banned to 'save' the environment :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess most people forget that the great plains and west used to be covered with wild bison'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd vote that ted talk to be the best ever. It solves pretty much all major problems of the world in one move. '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And it works in practice, unlike most ted talk ideas that are just ideas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'this guy is smart.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Hmm, our state House just unanimously passed a bill requiring all elementary students to learn cursive handwriting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And people say political parties can't agree on stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what a useless skill'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Even if you don't ever write it, there's a good chance a lot of people are going to have to read it at some point.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yeah, like we have too read latin......a dead language.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'surprised the morons didnt mandate caligraphy also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's a lot of professions where you're going to be reading someone else's cursive writing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not the case with Latin'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have yet to find any that have any effect on me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You could probably say that about 80% of the subjects you took in school'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not enough to waste time learning it anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least math and history, or science are useful in everyday things.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I'd argue that being able to read cursive is more useful in everyday things than knowing history.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Passed 107-0, with 4 reps not voting'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US/Mexico border arrest are up 13% over last year (Fox news)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, we may soon have to start using bioprotection suits when handling US meats.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bse, salmonella, e.coli, and who knows what else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'go vegan'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'shut down all the UK fast food places'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, because vegetables never contain any bacteria or toxins...'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then starve to death'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or buy real food from reliable sources.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '200 years ago, it was good enough to have something to eat... today, people bitch unless it's the right color, texture, protien/carb/fat content, taste, you-name-it... just be happy that you aren't starving'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '200 years ago food had a quality we dream about today.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... it was half rotten by the time it got to the city'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'even now in some parts of the world people dont have food to eat but those who do complain about the food'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... it was half rotten by the time it got to the city'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oopps... dorry'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'City? Very few lived in cities 200 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BS... 80% of the population lived in citis 200 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Is it not worth improving life just because someone else had it worse sometime in the past?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Source on that, V?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pulled that one outa my ass, but am checking... '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We might be at 80% now, but I doubt it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'looks to be closer to 60% today, so likely less 200 years ago... standby'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in ancient egypt, 75% of the population lived in cities....  still looking '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '200 years ago, people bought their meats from local farms that only produced that meat....and made enough from local sales to live a decent life.  Exportation of food crashed the price and made it harder for farmers to survive.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In that number for egypt, they probably don't count slaves, which was some 90% of the actual population.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in 1950, 79% of the population lived in cities... not 200 years ago, but still closer.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was for UK, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '64% in USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'percent goes down as level of idustrealization goes down,...  predictably'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are towns in Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama that people are not recommended to live near because of factory farms.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Around 1900 the cities could not self-sustain their population. The mortality rate was higher than the birthrate so they were dependant on the urbanization.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will conceed the point about 80% lving in cities... that was too high, but I will maintain that at least 1/2 of the population did not grow their own, or purchase directly from those who did... their source of food was at least third hand'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that's way off topic anyway... the debate is about food TODAY....'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I had no idea.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would never move to a town with factory farms nearby.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you just can'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you just can't feed the world TODAY using 200 year old standards... there's too many people'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Germany does a good job of it, so do Scandavian countries.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We may never get rid of factory farms, but that doesnt mean we cant make them better.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like reducing the ammonia produced at them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Factory farms are not more effective. They use a lot of resources to produce food cheaply, but are not more effective than smale scale farms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'factory farms just concentrated the farms....we used to have a lot more farms then we do now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and they produced enough food to export all over the world at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I really don't give a rat's ass about ammonia now... I can only imagine that would not change if I were ever REALLY hungry'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would care about the ammonia if you lived near the factory farm.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Germany limits ammonia to 20 ppm, the avg factory farm in the US is around 71 ppm.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I grew up on a small dairy farm, so I have appreciated fresh food... today, I live in a rural community, but I get my steaks and potatoes from the store... I don't really care how they got there... I just wahs them and eat them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I also had multi-million bird chick houses next door growing up... seriously... the ammonia was just part of production.  As my neighbor was fond to say... "wmells like money"'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what about paper mills?  nothing stinks quite as bad as a papper mill... but we all stuff paper in our printers, and wipe our arses with it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I use a bidet now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm getting a little "ranty", I know... that's because I am REALLY just sick of all the petty whining that humans seem to have time for these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fur farms smell /really/ bad. all them skinned corpses'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is toilet paper?  Oh that replacement for using your hand.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh ya... that is a special kind of stank!  leather mills'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... I wear leather shoes, and belts, so I don't bitch'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dunno about leather mills. my route went past a farm/skinning place or whatnot long time ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not hides, fur. foxes, ferrets n shit'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's probobly a real close match in smell'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I see a toilet paper tax coming eventually......'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'according to cheryle crow, we only need to use one sheet per trip to the toilet'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i wish'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but sometimes you get lucky'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would have to disagree... I need atleast TWO sheets'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'crow should be smart enough to use a bidet instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's awesome when you take a massive shit and only need to wipe once'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, i take taking a shit seriously and buy premium 5-ply paper'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You dont use silk sheets ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'some swear by baby wipes. should try it out some day'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate here often revolves around cost, money, and who can afford what... just exactly how many, in your opinion, people can afford to have a bidet?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'baby wipes work great in the field, and in porta-pots, but most domesic septic systems can't handle them'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the cost of a bidet/toilet combo has dropped quite a bit in recent years, comparable to a good toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or you could just have a small shower head connected to the sink'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. so you've covered cost.. .now lets talk about social norms... Europeans are more familiar with the bidet, but here in america, 90% (random stat) of people would know what it was, much less how to spell it... they would LAUGH at you for suggesting it'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, so are the japanese'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the japanese have contests every year on the best designed bidet/toilet combo :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. that's what?  3% of the world population?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if you add the chinese also, it is spreading fast there.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd like to see you try and sell a bidet to someone in the mountains of albania.... of course, they don't know what TP is either'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'And in some Muslim countries, there are combo bidet/toilet'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people in india just use their hand, and a hole in the ground.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no seat or anything.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've been thru pretty much all of SWA... can't recall seeing a bidet... maybe in a palace somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Egypt has them, I know'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'true... seen a FEW in egypt, but by no means were they widespread'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love my bidet/toilet combo.....best bathroom appliance I ever bought.....stopped buying toilet paper also....saves money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Was in an apartment building in nasr city, by no means luxury, and other places aswell.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but then you have to figure increased laundry costs... or just walk around with monkey-butt'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'I prefer it personally'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'no, it cleans you very well.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you just walk around with a wet arse?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, it cleans extremely well, and has a warm air dryer'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'Did not have that issue.  You can use just a little tp.  Or a cloth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the japanese have thought of everything :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'It cleans very well :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can also buy a bidet seat for your regular toilet, and it is electronic, dries and washes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. you convinced me... we'll all use Bidets... now lets get some legislation in place to make sure evertone else is convinced as well.. tax breaks, fines for non-comliance, building code... !'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, water prices and paper prices will do that in time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well let's jack up the taxes on those now... why wait!?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the self cleaning bidet/toilet does a good job.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<-- is ranting again'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Only after the last tree is cut down, the last of the water poisoned, the last animal destroyed, only then will you realize, that you cannot eat money.  -- Cree Indian Prophecy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and where are the cree today?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they prophesied their own destruction by the white man with cholera.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it wasn't a PROFECY.. it was a quote by modern day indian Alanis Obomsawin... a canadian native american film maker'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who was just trying to make a buck of his movies about conservation'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kree jaffa!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did I just say "canadian native american"?  I guess that would be native [north] american... or would it be "native canadian"... what DO they call the natives in canada?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'They're still native americans.  Canada is part of North America and all, you see.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am suprised that all the text books in the US have not been burned, and replaced with that distinction... "Native North American" instead of just "Native American"'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'other wise, how can they be distiguished from the native in south america?  they would ahve to be "native South Americans"'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, gmo corn rules.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost as good as gmo soybeans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Crystia: 'bees don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you get a hell of alot more yield with genetics'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you can feed a butt-ton more people per acre'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nerve gas makes the best pesticides.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I miss DDT :('
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also would solve some of the world-population problem... let's legislate'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahhh!  DDT.. now there's a DEBATE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who cares about the damn condor....give me back DDT !'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are numbers ( and I don't have them right off) that support more people in underdevelped countries have died from maleria than would EVER have been adversly effected by DDT - defects and outright death combined'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but non-DDT pesticides are A LOT more expensive, and they just don't use them'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's always a trade'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the WHO and the EPA still support DDT in those malaria situations, basically the good outweighs the risks'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt, DDT was really nasty stuff...'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandpa used to mix DDT with paint, and paint the outside of his homes with it.....always worked on keeping the mosquitos controled.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but it DID work really well.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'down and dirty - cheap - and effective'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'west nile virus is a problem around here.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to sendia?  nice... how many TP?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think gmo foods should be labeled as such.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that would be reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'labeling itself has so many issues, there's a lot of things that should be labled differently, not to mention, many lables don't mean anything at all'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'likewise, packaging should not be allowed to display "organic" unless it is 100% orgainc from seed to grocerie store'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, why is it easier to take an antifreeze gene from a flounder compared to another plant that has it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't know... am not a marine biolagist... but I bet it has to do with either regulation or cost'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and very little to do with science'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some new gmo tomatoes have an antifreeze gene taken from flounders.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, it might also have to do with how easy it is to isolate, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that would be science... makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it might also have to do with the actual proteins that the gene creates'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've never really looked at it, but that'd be two guesses that might be reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides... antifreeze genes in animals are WAY more sexy!  I mean seriously... a worm that only lives in GLACIERS!  that's super hot!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think gmo foods are fascinating...I hope it ends up being safe, cause it will open the door to amazing new foods.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've always been fascinated by animals like snakes and frogs that you can freeze solid and will still come back once thawed'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that just blows my mind'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, that might give us the answer to cryogenic freezing of humans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or how animals can lower their vitals to almost nothing when it gets cold.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but it could also help with cold weather rescue, organ transplants, and probably a lot of other mundane things that people don't think about'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'although, I guess those things aren't exactly mundane, but you know what I mean :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to heck with all that... I just wanna run naked thru a snow storm!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bears being able to hibernate for 8 months is amazing also, and be able to awake almost instantly when bothered.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pretty fast, ya.. but you can still get a good poke in adn run like hell!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd have to double check, but I think bears actually go into a torpor and don't actually hibernate'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not to be all nerdy, but still'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, there is alot of science on this planet that we should be studying more, because it will also help us in the future for space travel to other planets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we could 'hibernate' ourselves, it might make a 2 year journey to the closest star an easier thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'actually, humans can kind of hibernate, if you lower their body temperature'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I saw the movie Alien also.....:p'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'at least if you believe this story'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'isnt sleeping a kind of temporay hiberation'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://digitaljournal.com/article/319883'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure, but hibernation involves lowering of body temperature, lowering of metabolism, and I think a couple of other things'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though my wife might disagree'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the wandering albatross can apparently stay aloft for months at a time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn, the airbus A380 is huge.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'carbon is an amazing thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'carbon is black.. and black isn't white... now you have to come up with an amazing white thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or your a racist'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'diamonds are black?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now THAT's how you cause a riot... not a debate.  I was joking, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'they are if you turn the lights off'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are aso black befor you apply lots of pressure and heat'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is a silly debate.. come up with another one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as opposed to all the NON-silly debates that take place here...'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'black holes are black too. black paint is black. lets see what other black things are out there.. hm. Abelinc's heart!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point take and conceeded.. carry on'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You hear cricket sounds off in the distance.
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'btw hwu: you were logged off by the time I did tech -h, not sure if you saw my comment on it later...bast has a vote miniwindow plugin'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ok, your little black heart has a bit of pink shades now:)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a bumblebee can fly 5 million miles on a gallon of honey.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what a waste of evolution then'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is interesting how the new boeing 787 wingspan resembles the wandering albatross wingspan.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wandering Albatrosses spend most of their life in flight, landing only to breed and feed. Distances travelled each year are hard to measure, but one banded bird was recorded travelling 6000 km in twelve days.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, a mexican is like an american indian, but without a casino....-- tommy chong talking about cheech marin.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shock horror, James Holmes was on Zoloft'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and thought he was two face ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont get it...how can the military justify a $400 million per helicopter cost for a chopper that only costs $21 million to build......the new version of marine one chopper is based on the british made EH101 chopper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the military was going to spend $14 billion on 28 of them to replace the marine one choppers, but obama asked the military to either cancel or put it on hold, so the navy cancelled it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if it's anything like AF1, it's hugely modified from as-shipped'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the EH101's that navy bought for $21 million were eventually sold to Canada as replacement parts for their S&R fleet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still cannot justify a $400 million cost, :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You could build a stealth helicopter for that much.....thats right we did...it crashed in pakistan.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'military spending like that is usually inflated to syphon off cash into secret stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the EH101 is a damn fine british helicopter though, and well worth the $21 million cost.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '700 miles on a tank of fuel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it british?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Guess I wont be buying one of those new xbox 720s, since it will require all the time internet for it to work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'That wasn't announced. You're mis-quoting or were mis-informed by a few tweets by a single producer at Microsoft who said on social media that "always-on" is the future'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so a couple attend a teaparty rally, get arrested because they have a pipe and a small amount of marijuana on them, as a result CPS yoinks there kids. After 1 year of fighting in the courts, they take their kids back off their grandparents and go on the run.... and the media portrays them as anti-government terrorists?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mean WTF?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'the world today'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I read a bit past the drive-by media on that one... they're not good people'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have it in for constitutionalists and veterans, don't they?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they've made some really bad decisions'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they are soveriens'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'source?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't recognize and level of government'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is.. soveriengs don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was on the blaze'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'well yeah, but some people think that there are no consequences for their acions'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were both well-employed citizens'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but when you don't pay your tazes, you make an easy target'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'did you hear whats happening to the family that runs hobby lobby'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't agree with the terrorist connection... that sounds like polotics... if the Fort Hood shooter is not a terrorist, than neither are these folks'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'they are getting fined 1,000,000 dollars a day for not agreeing to pay for their employees birth control, i have the full support for this family'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't find anything about them being sovereigns on blaze'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should just sack everyone and rehire them as contractees'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was about four stories down on the right this morning'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ain't there now, might have been tugged - the stuff on fox local affiliate tv was inaccurate too'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'right after the story on the newtown gun shot getting its license revoked.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, gone'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't see it now... must have been some integrity issues'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the story was a WH plant'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe they fix it and out it back up'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'diregard about them being soveriens'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have no source'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't mean to scorn it, it might be that they are, but the strong feeling i had about the story was that they were fucked over, they definitely stole their nan's car when they took the kids, but it sounds like an act of desperation rather than an act of violence or terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have your kids taken unfairly, if you have a pulse, you'll go batshit crazy wanting to get them back'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'agreed, and again, I just don't see how you can attach terrorist to that without a political motivation'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'who called them terrorists, exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't, but DHS has been labelling anyone who supports the constitution as terrorist for ages'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did they do so in this case?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'local tv and newspaper reports called them "violent anti-governmentalists"'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... that's a step shy of terrorist, but the leap will be made soon enough, I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'this just sounds like a child protective services case that's getting blown out of proportion by the media because of the political leanings on the people involved to me, but i can't profess to be informed on the subject.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you know that teaparty is going to team up with al-quaida, don't you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. I heard that.  They are going to blow up all the swine farms in the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama to restrict IRA's to $205k a year'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's it at now... 2500k?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '500K for MFJ'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'James O'Keefe is a legend'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what bad news is all the North Korea hyperventilating covering?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly something in china'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might not be a US smoke screen'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime they are reporting sizeable increases in thyroid problems in children along the western seaboard and in japan, also extremely high levels of aluminium are being detected in rainfall across the country'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that all about?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tsunami in nippon?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'reactor meltdown?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that isn't right is it? the EPA raised the safe levels of radiation you're allowed, so it can't be that, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be another answer'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they only raised it for home-schooled children'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the aluminium is too localised to be fallout'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'volcanic?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, not a volcanic product'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those are bout the only thing I can think of that would put it into the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless there is some super secret governmental cloud seeding program afoot... but that's silver nitrate, no?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they don't use silver nitrate, aluminium oxide'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well that must be it, then'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can't be'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they said they weren't doing it'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well, if the said..'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a propoganda peace doing the rounds in the UK atm due to a measles outbreak in Wales'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're claiming it's because in the early 2000s some studies were put out linking the triple MMR vaccine to increased levels of autism'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which caused uptake to dip'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're using it to push the vaccine again, claiming the study was discredited (it wasn't), they saying it's the only way to protect your kids from measles, completely ignoring the fact that before the MMR vaccine there was a tried and tested entirely safe measles jab'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I had measles (and two sets of vaccines, apparently..). I remember getting 3 days off from school, propped up on the couch reading books.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps! Maybe you should too!
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they just don't want to use it because it's from the non-favoured vendor'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If I had to pick a main cause for the rise in autism, I'd go with gluten from post-imwic grains, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a combination of pollutants'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with asthma, it rose sharply in the 70s-90s and is now tailing off'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'no particular sign of drop-offs in autism'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, still in the rise territory'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Recent studies show high stress during pregnancy can increase the likelihood of having an autistic child by almost 4 times, and having a traumatic experience such as sexual assault, the mother increases the chance of autism occuring by 7x.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with alzheimers'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I also suspect those carbs are a key driver behind pretty much any lifestyle disease you care to mention'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'It's not that it's totally on the rise, but more things that generations past would have shrugged off are now being included or counted in these spectra.  Such as with celiac, the high gluten wheats that are being used are causing people who 20 years ago would ahve just been sick after eating pasta, now are getting violently ill.  It's just a change in the environmental circumstance.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think all the drugs help, either'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'New gluten/gliadin certainly causes more problems.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'No studies that I've seen make that link Tinada.  If you have them, I'd love to read them.  I think it's been a reason we saw a "rise" in Celiacs, but yet to see a connection to anything else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'No, I haven't seen any proper studies of old vs. new grains'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but since you can't get celiac without gluten, and since those proteins changed in modern wheat, it would be rather surprising if that wasn't the main cause'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'See, I'll give you that, and I fully agree.  But having high gluten content creating other issues, I'm still on the fence about.  I want to see some evidence to show that it leads to autism, etc.  That would be intriguing to see.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'listening to some insight into the N Korea situation'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the warren air force base and whatever that finnish study was called also made it highly unlikely that the observed increase is due to changed diagnostics'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'For autism there are a few studies showing improved behaviour on gluten-free (and gluten and casein-free) diets, but that's about as far as we've gotten.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'an unfortunate consequence of the rise of autism and asperbers, ADHD and the rest (what ever the true cause), is lack of parenting and dicipline.  Once a diagnosis is made, the parents are off the hook.  They can now say "his behavior is not our fault [and by extension, not our problem]".  I relate this as a parent of an aspergers child, and from the perspective of the school system.  We used to go to support groups and such, but they were just a huge bitch session about how no one is fixing their problem.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parents and teachers aren't allowed to discipline anymore, and more and more, they have been allowed to abdicate responsibility for their kids behaviour. Those kids grow up into adults that are allowed to abdicate their responsibility for themselves to the government, you then have dependancy and decadence'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what kills societies and civilisation'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i thought i had that syndrome but then it turned out i was just a bitch:)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i had like 8 from 10 symptoms of that.. assburger's:)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a 'special needs' child requires two and three times the amount of dicipline at home to get anywhere near a functional level, and in many cases, they do not belong in the public school system.  We have had ours in and out, depending on the level of strain he puts on the classroom... he's more or less normalized, now, and is able to function (and get respectable grades) in a main stream class, but he has a classmate who needs to be in an institution to get right. '
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hide your guns with friends yet, vonliege?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have a really good safe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not good enough'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spread em!, bury a couple if need be'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is for me... but I see where your going'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you get your letter yet calling you in for a wellness check yet?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of yets, apparently'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he should never handle a gun un supervised, but we do hunt and shoot together'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not talking about your kid, talking about you :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... no.  I'm off the grid there.  It's an "option"'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if I feel homicidal, I'm supposed to call the hotline'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if I'm feeling suicidal, I'm supposed to just go ahead with it'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, keep your eyes open for that letter :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if I'm feeling patriotic, I'm supposed to immediatly submit myself for pyciatric evaluation and institutionalization'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you get the letter, it's a sign that they're about to yoink your guns and ban you from owning one, no judge no jury'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose it is.  I get about 10 junk mails a day that have VA slapped all over them... I've missed official letters before.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like the one that said my retirement was being reduced on account of an accounting error.  turns out I only served 25 years and 3 months... not 25 and 4.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nice of them'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought it was rather big of them to let me know'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my tri care is going up from $570 to $3,600 next year, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still pretty cheap, but that's a huge leap'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is tri care?'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tricare is health inssurance thru humana... it's basically subsidised insurance that is issued to the military.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while you are active, you don't pay anything.. .once you retire, you have to pay the $570'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'about 15 years ago, military health care, for all intents and purposes, privatized.  went from green-suited (military people) doctors and nurses to what ammount to contractors.  had to be a way to pay them, so they came up with Tricare.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, $3600 isn't too bad for a year's healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i understand, everyone's healthcare insurance is going up anything from 25-100% this year thanks to obamacare, and he's gonna do more'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notwithstanding the shortfall in doctors already announced, medicare patients being turned away etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... part of it is that Tricare funding is being raped to cover other areas of Obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though my favourite headline was the 3.9tons of pot confiscated by texas highway patrol'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Disney is to close LucasArts computer games division'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'with three hot titles already announced'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most notable - Battlefield 3'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but business is business'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in a very rare spot of actualy proper governance, UK parliament considers banning neonicotinoid pesticides (Roundup) to try and save the bee population'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but roundup kills my weeds!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also wipes out the bees'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where's the imperical data that supports this?  I say it's cell phones what's killing the bees'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'implicated in colony collapse disorder'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google it'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"implicated" isn't the same as "proven".. .monsanto will go BROKE... all those jobs!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all those last tomatoes!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all the thistle in my yard!'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm going to stock up'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just hoike them up'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need weedkiller'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'spraying is easier... pulling weeds = work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american wasn't built on laziness'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it's hard to find a mexican to hire these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they get paid more than you do'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. but their worth it'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'get two or three, plus one that speaks english (pay him double) and watch the work get done!  then again, we have a couple hard working HS kids in the area.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose I could pay them the price of a bottle of roundup'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'wake up'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, who knows, the US is posturing officially. But maybe under the table they are shipping them a ship full of USD.'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, obama's apologizing for calling someone good looking'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wonder if they'd shoot him if he called her a rutting pig :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we all know that politicians are sexless, so he stepped over the line :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'l'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hm'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the video was entertaining... but was a bit of a character assasination.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the video was billed as "creationists craziest clame yet" (or some such as that), yet, creationist generally deny the existence of dinosaurs all togeter.  so I don't think DR kent is a creationist.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mandatory listening of the musical group Air Supply has been added to the musical torture selection at Gitmo.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'where are the trolls today?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love abortion'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'One time, I aborted my own babies with a lighter and gasoline.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flees from debate with her troll power.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr pats Queen Bee Noegel on her head.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel comes back to debate to pat Ranrr on the head with her battle hammer and then leaves... for real this time.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'wtf you murderer!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'don't you know the bible says that abortion is murder'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Works of fiction say many strange things.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'have you heard of this amazing thing called a joke? no, well get a dictionary!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i bet you guys think you're all so smart and funny but we will see who gets the last laugh when you burn in hell for blasphemy!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I do hope you're kidding Redryn'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I refuse to get preggers ATM I am waaay too selfish right now to have babies my car is my world at the momeny'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And I refuse to light gasoline in my vagina thank you'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, fresh meat....-- Hannibal'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Did you read the book, Red Dragon ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, king tuts mask is made from 10 lbs of gold.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heavy is the head that wears the crown'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'must have been hard-headed'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'when are the trolls and debaters coming on or is it a slow day at the office'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Tigernuts is offline'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'snooky is banned appearantly'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Is he really banned?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'that is what you told me noe'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'type "finger snooky" to see'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ok thats what I thought.  He sent me an email asking if he was'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'email was yesterday though'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why would he send an email to you asking?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he could email Lasher, or could just log in, both of which would give him absolutely correct answers'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'it is quite boring without him'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Because he is in love with my aura of awesome I don't know'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'we can e-mail Lasher?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost goes ooOOooOOoo.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wolf@aardwolf.com will go to him'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(Imm) Dispel Majic: when someone is banned, they show up as (BANNED)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ooo imm channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, chinese bird flu has spread to a 3rd chinese city...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Let me guess.  It has killed upwards of over 10 people'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '82'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'FUCK!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's like nobody'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, 9'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'almost hitting pandemic proportions now...dunno how China's population can ever bounce back from the ravaging'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont you know it!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'People just like talking about any new strain like it is horrible'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then again, end of the world scenarios are HIP and COOL these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the asteroid Apophis will come within 13,000 miles of hitting the earth in 2018 or something.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I was in Beijing during SARS, and it was crazy. Everywhere was empty. The government were suggesting people stay in their homes, and state media was advising people to report people who were coughing to the authorities. There was some story about a cabby who kicked someone out of his cab for coughing, and he was being lauded for his wisdom in the paper. It was pretty wild.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'They had people in hazard suits in the airports.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, that badass meteorite that went over russia was pretty huge and powerful and we didn't even see it coming'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's funny, though, on all of the dash cams the Russians don't even make a comment like, OMG that is a huge ass explosion'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Just: silence or continuing their conversations'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, apophis would probably destroy the state of NY if it hit,  and if another rock hits it in space the wrong way, it could nail us. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't really care, honestly.  There are so many near misses we don't even see coming, it's just a matter of time.  I do support continuing to look for more, but I'm not gonna worry myself about it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You have a better chance of some cartel lobbing some artillery shells at you then you do of getting hit by an asteroid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'this kid will save us anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpdpW0z9xnQ'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Here come the Romans!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No he wouldn't Fawlty.  Some jackass would sue him for so many patent infringements or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Plus he probably stole his dads credit cards so there's fraud'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Kids going to Juvenile FOR SURE'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty chuckles at Queen Bee Noegel's joke.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When it happens, you just know that the zombie apocalypse will start in China.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Fuck, Asian zombies can do flips and magicfly through forests of bamboo.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh well'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so how can we not see these things coming, but some guy 300 years ago who had never seen halley's comet, and really no adult in known history had ever seen it twice, could correlate the period of the thing such that we know when it's coming within days?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blind luck ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'dat calculus'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty nods at a pit fiend.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'halley's comet isn't really too impressive.. capernicus had noted it, I believe...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'writen record of it goes back years and years'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no?  just "No"... no what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, copernicus hasn't noted halley's comet..."I saw something in the sky" isn't "this thing came back today"...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel points at Vonliege and screams, "NO!"
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He did take a note then.  Therefore, he noted.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are visible comet, meteorites, etc all the time...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flees the scene!
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many comets have made appearances in our historical records.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, many different comets'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'halley bopp'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Hale-Bopp'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'halley bopp sounds better.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, that one was coming to take people away from niagara falls'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's from wikipedia (sceptisism acceptable):  A comet was recorded in ancient Greece between 468 and 466 BCE'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wrong cut-and-paste...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here we go again....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The first certain appearance of Halley's Comet in the historical record is a description from 240 BCE, in the Chinese chronicle Records of the Grand Historian '
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they couldn't even keep track of time back then...we can't narrow things down even to the right year'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's ex post facto'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they had calenders'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is it just me or are avacados yummy ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes they did...they just didn't keep track'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's just you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, avacados...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think the British used donkey tails to measure time and space'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'avacado, egg, cheese, and bacon sandwich.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardles... I don't think that a debate over halleys comet is what you were getting ready to point out, Abelinc... you sounded like you were leading into something else.  hmm?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, wasn't leading into anything, just being incredulous at how little we've come'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He was leading into how haleys comet is proof that abortion is ok before 8 months'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll just jump on any ol comment and make it an inquisition around here, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It says so in the Chinese Time Tables?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'We've almost cured hair loss... i think we've come pretty far.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I'd like to cure hair growht :('
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel rubs her fingers through Fiendish's fur.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Fiendish, we have! Electrolysis, or however it's spelled. My mom de-haired her upper lip over a decade ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel then rubs fingers through her belly fur.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just how do you cure hair growth?  Mine just grows and grows'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I want to de hair the back of my neck, but most treatments are still kind of expensive'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'electrolysis works well to extract hydrogen from water also.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose I'll be grateful for that when I am REALLY old'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I think they kill the folicles with little electric shocks, or something. I'm no scientist.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'is it better or worse than lasers?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'If DDT hadn't been banned, you could use THAT... 'course, you'd also have to deal with the skin discoloration....  and maybe cancer... but just maybe'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just man up and let the wife use the wax.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Lasers are more awesome than electric shocks, but I'd consult a doctor for a more fact-based appraisal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Men are pansies when it comes to wax'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But they wanna fight wars and kick ass'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we squeeze our lemons out through a smaller hole, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, my sister still swears by the original style of epilady'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'd get our ears and noses waxed in Iraq...  'cause the sand is a bugger when it gets all crusted in your nose.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose that would corelate with sinus maldies, too... we had alot of those'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iraq has sand?  I thought it was the land of milk and honey.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was back in the day... Sadam turned it all to sand'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he used up all is WMDs laying waste to the fertile valley'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nono, it only turned to sand cuz there's no extreme cattle grazing :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a little bit of goat shite goes along way to stableize the dirt'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'after a sand storm, you can look out across the sand and see dozens of little 6-10 inch tall pillars of sand.. each with a little goat turd on top.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'iraqi goats are so well-trained...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'open up in the name of the divine donkey!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Researchers at the University of Washington say they've built all the pieces for a fusion-powered rocket system that could get a crew to Mars in 30 days. Now they just have to put the pieces together and see if they work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They won't'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I sabotaged them bwahaha'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'we've had the pieces for a fusion powered rocket for a long time already'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Anyways, do you have details on the propulsion system?  I am interested in it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Pffft'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder what would happen if we dumped the sand of the sahara desert into the ocean.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'it will be the sahara ocean'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rizgoth, probably nothing at all'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5000 years ago there was hardly any sand where the sahara desert is now, it was lush green and lakes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I blame global warming'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Natural warming that is bwahaha'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel ducks.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'anthropogenic climate change'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'global warming is and always has been a silly name for anthropogenic climate change'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic called JINX before The Jerk Fiendish.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Holy crap lots of people for anthropogenic climate change what is going on here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oops'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'oops what'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sh'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5000 years ago or so, more of the sand/dust went into the ocean, and was not deposited where the sahara is now......'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guess the winds were stronger back then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in areas prone to sand, once the grass cover is destroyed it's extraordinarily difficult to break the cycle again'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'The fremen had a plan.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, yes they did'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we should repopulate the high plains grasslands in the US with grazing animals before we lose it all to desertification.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'dessertification, mmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yummy!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'like candy land? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'll agree there, but wide-ranging animals -- not permanent pastures.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'parents asking the flight attendants to turn off a violent movie not appropriate for children = OMG, TERRORISTS! apparently.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, only jets I've been on that had movies had the screen at each seat that you could control'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, airlines usually have a digital library of films that people can watch on their own seat screen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, turkey can teach some lessons to the middle eastern muslim countries.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Americans throw away 96 billion pounds of food every year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'EACH'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure does take a lot of corn and water to make a lb of meat....but damn that meat tastes good!  (7 lbs corn, 2500 gallons water)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'stop feeding your animals corn'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but we need to so that they get fat!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I know right!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'humans eat corn and get fat, animals eat corn and get fat.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I prefer meat to fat'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good marbling is desirable, but not outright fat'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn, our modern food producing system creates a waste of around 50% of what we produce that doesnt get eaten, and that includes food that we export to other countries.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'food is so cheap in the western world now, that it is cheaper to just throw it away, and charge higher prices for the food we do buy....seems strange.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The UK wastes almost 18 billion pounds of food each year, while the EU wastes almost 200 billion pounds of food each year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'PER PERSON'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it would be hard to compare that to years past, since the population (per capita) has changed so dramatically, but I would hazard that those numbers are not too far off from pre-refridgeration times'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'population per capita?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I recall growing up, we had a root cellar.  we might put up 20-30 bushels of tators, but only about 10 would get eaten.. the rest would spoil'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Then you did your root cellar wrong :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I don't mean from time... some would be good to eat 8-9 months later, but some would spoil in less than a month'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'variety also had alot to do with it... my grandparents would put up a much drier variety that had better spoilage rates.. our soil couldn't support that variety, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like to dehydrate extra veggies....then can them for storage.....they will last at least a decade in a cool place.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also... consider advances in grain storage... 100 years ago (arbitrary number) there was not the level of grain drying... a huge percentage of grain spoiled in silos and bins before it ever left the farm... today, about 95% of grain gets to market'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'potatoes are great for dehydrating.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a great idea, Riz.. but you just can't apply that model to the unwashed masses'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US, the first words out of 90% of the people you sugested it to (another arbitrary number) would be "is the government going to buy me a dehydrator?"'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps the best model for food storage, distrobution and consumption is the US military... the trust MRE.  Expensive as all hell for the military to buy, but MAN what a shelf life!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And that is why there are rich people and poor people.....poor people become rich people by not asking those kinds of questions.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poverty and victim minded'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'why would the people expect the govenment to buy them food dehydrators when no one expects thegovernment to buy them refridgerators?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe, I love govt MRE's  I have 50 cases so far.....25 year shelf life when kept cool :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the government DOES buy them refridgerators... there are 90 million people in the US with out a job, but everyone is EATING, and everyone is  talking on a cell phone'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chili and beef stew are my fav.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the last 4-5 years, they have outsources MREs to so many different companies that there is no way to predict what you will get anymore... there are hundreds of menues!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It was really hard to get govt MRE's during the late 1990s to 2010 though, because of those 2 wars, and govt stockpiling after the first gulf war.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'we have a food surplus, why wouldn't they be eating?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back in the day.. there were 12... '
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All that was really available were the non govt MRE wannabe types.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's WHAT they are eating... alot of food stamps get spent at KFC and McDonalds'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'people waste food if it's cheap. the more expensive it is, the less will be wasted heh.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that very much varies by state, in some states any sort of hot ready-to-eat food is banned'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now because the 2 wars have wound down, it is much easier to buy official govt MRE's'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'good to know there are a few sane places left'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'also, 91% of americans own cell phones, and 7.7% are unemployed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'that means more people don't own cell phones than are unemployed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that might depend on which unemployment measure you use :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'who cares how they spend their food stamps? if the government regulated it more, then people would just complain about the feds trying to control people's lives.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you ever buy govt MRE's though.....do NOT get the chili mac ones.......bleh.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'my least favorite MREs are the corned beef and hash, if they still have those. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right fawlty, people always seem to want the government to control other people's lives, but not theirs'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, corned beef and hash are not available as choices for US govt MRE's'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US govt has moved beyond those kinds of mres'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'MRE????'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now you have things like cheese and beef enchiladas, or veggie omelets, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'it is according to this site: http://www.mreinfo.com/us/mre/mre-menus.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, it wasnt on my list of available mre's :('
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'and it was the last time i had an MRE in 1996. (Shrug)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'grissom: mre's are basically military rations.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'like a long lasting meal-in-a-bag'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ah i see thanks '
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's Meal: Ready to Eat'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'UBER-HIGH caloric meals in a pouch'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good to keep an army going no matter what'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some cool tech with the self-heating ones'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i haven't seen the self-heating ones, that does sound cool.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the self heating is damn cool....chemical heat.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'really? they've had them for at least 25 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'put water in a bag and it goes hot'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Abel, believe it or not, there are some people in the world who don't know everything. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandpa had 6 cases of old C-rations in his garage......'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has something to do with an iron reaction... hydrogen is a byproduct....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am kinda afraid to open the C-rations.....should probably wear a hazard suit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can fill up a garbage bag with the gas from SEVERAL MRE heaters... the float... AND explode of you light em on fire'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't really EXPOLDE explode.. more like a fzzzzPOP'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I ate a can of 30 yr old C-Ration baby potatoes one time.. found em half buries in a ditch during CSAR training (E&E Phase)... was HUNGRY hungry!... took a chance.. paid a little bit.. but lived'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the inside of the can wasn't rusty, so I figured it was worth the risk'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, these look ok, but the garage was not temp controlled :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no bloated cans or anything.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'these are korean war c rations....my grandpa was in WWII and korean war.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the rest of the meal was shot, though... wish the cigarettes had been ok, but they were turned to dirt'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's how I knew for sure it was one of the old ones... still had fags in it'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chocolate candies turned white.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'temp-control... the M&Ms all turn white in MREs too'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'haha... true story....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'guy is with me in the field... it'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'guy is with me in the field... it's 1999 or so.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the M&Ms we are getting in the MREs all say "proud sponsor of the 88 soule olympics....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I need to buy more MRE's'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1988 eh? :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most of them have contests and such... guy gets a WINNING M&M wrapper!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the MRE's were made back then and put in a warehouse somewhere for future use :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he sent it in, but the contest had expired 5 years prior.. no $10,000'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ouch, I won a boat that way....but was 3 weeks from a mail drop :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... was peace time, so we wern't burning thru them all that fast... we'd get 10-12 yr old MREs pretty often'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, and on this: [06 Apr 19:00:15] (Debate) Fawlty: 'Abel, believe it or not, there are some people in the world who don't know everything. ;)'.....holy shit don't I know it! They're the only people I ever deal with :('
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it IS preferable to deal with people who know SOME things.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'It must be hard being omniscient.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sweet God Blessed Jesus'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US ARMY Aviation branch'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'loved it'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I didnt know the military still had that rule on the books that wouldnt allow the only grandson in a family to serve.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not aware of it... as for only sons, it IS an option, but there hasn't been a draft to test it in along time... everyone can still volunteer though'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I guess with a blended family you could have someone who's the only grandson and not the only son ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, back in 1991, I tried to join the marines after high school graduation, but they wouldnt let me because I was the only grandson in the family....and only son my parents had.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they try to spread the sons around - not let them be in the same unit, but that's hard to do now days... consider the national guard.. .there may be a Grandpa BN commander, Son Company Commander, and grandson Platoon leader in the same unit that goes to the same place... AND they might be the only males in the bloodline'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they'd happily take me as the only son of the only son'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, perhaps the recruiter lied then....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I don't think that rule gets much play for keeping folks out'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was a story 5-6 years ago when the army was hurting.. a Grandmother, Daughter and Granddaughter all enlisted on the same day (they had JUST raised the max enlistment age to 49)'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '49?  I thought it was 42 :('
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'none of them made it thru basic training, but that didn't make news'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think they dropped it back to 35 or something now though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might have been 42,,, I forget.  Never really had to consider it... but it WAS raised enough so the grandma could get in'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well no. 'aww, too bad' doesn't make the news very much.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '42 would be really old to enlist in the military dang'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, if the grandma is 42 and the granddaughter is 17, that means that there are 25 years between generations -- i.e. at least one of the women had the kid when under 13'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so that seems rather odd'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no it wouldn't, jerk'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I RETIRED at 45... can't imagine STARTING at 42'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 40 year old 600 lb guy managed to get to 185 lbs and joined up at age 42'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'see?'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dardezael . o O ( I'm so old gah... )
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Dardezael.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is a wee baby.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'ill bet NOegel is 85, and I'm really only 12'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is a crotchety old hag.
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the navy and marines never changed their requirements, unlike the army'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'in other news.  Update nY is out of 22 ammo lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'could always join national guard, etc first, and "transfer" into federal military to avoid limits'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We have lots of .22 ammo here in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'yeah I was on with a guy in tx who said as much'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no no, dont join the national guard...they will send your butt over to the middle east without the needed gear, and expect you to guard ammo dumps or something.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'but...but...it's a peace mission'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seems kinda strange that the suicide rate of soldiers is 3x higher then vietnam.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'people are softer now'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'well one of our new tactics, of course, is to eat the enemy.  it's taking its toll on their mental health'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Got some guys at work who say Vietnam Vets shake their hand and thank them for serving overseas.  They all say, WTF you guys fought in the god damn jungle we should be shaking your hands'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the VA isn't allowed to prescribe weed anymore. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, brownies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'I like mine more'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'most people like mine better, i find, and are afraid to admit it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'night all have a nice day/night '
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hoohah bar!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er hooah!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'blaaaaach!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Hooah Bar!  for when there just ain't no toilets around'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But!  The military says they are yummy!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do not'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the marketing people say their yummy... and they went thru one brazillion soldiers till they found that one guy from the tennesee kills who thought it "wasn't bad"... and quoted him'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hills'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, A rations.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'prefered, but hard to execute... salad dosn't travel well'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you will only get A rats in a dense population (4,000 or more) of troops.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least the ration sometimes had Tang!'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er MREs'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They should add marijuana cigarettes to the MRE.'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Meals, Rejected by Everyone is not nice......I happen to love them...'
T3/r7/2013-04-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They need to add more fiber though.....2 2gram fiber tablets would help, or add beans to the entree'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Day After should be required viewing in highschool.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'TDA, a movie noir indeed :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'day after what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Russia invades Germany, which causes NATO to use nuclear weapons on the advancing army, which then leads to a full nuclear war.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sensible storyline i see, then'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Germany owns Russia an invasion. So does England :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'owes*'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The film shows the political aspect of it, then the nuclear missile attack, and then the survivors of it trying to live in the aftermath.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'silly me, not England, France :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you ever see The Bedford Incident?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ronald Reagan watch the day after just before meeting with gorby, to reduce the amount of nuclear weapons on each side.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, I've seen some sizable mamma-sans :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'If The Bush got elected anyone can :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, "elected"'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bush jnr got elected in 2004 like Obama was elected in 2012'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is elected in the same way that Romney 'won' the GOP nomination'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'David Stockman has upset Washington'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how you know you've hit the target'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you haven't read Stockman's articles or listened to his interviews, it's worth doing'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite how Biden's former economic adviser can critique his book as "wilfully ignorant of the impact of market failure" when he was supportive of bank bailouts is fucking ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these washington goons appear to be like parrots'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'line them up like carbon copies of the former Iraqi information minister who was there giving tv reports saying everything is fine and that the USA will be defeated (as US tanks roll by behind him)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the democrats are going to use the 3d printer to clone another obama and he will run in 2016'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MSNBC: We need to get out of the mindset that kids are parents responsibilites - kids belong to the collective'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Biden: We need to create a new world order'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I need to create my own church.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'long live the Komsomol :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just don't go with the tax-dodging government control option'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the largest church in the country is in houston texas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is honorable to avoid paying taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in this case, you sell tax status for government control'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a terribly good idea if you're a CHURCH'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does "legal presence, no lawful status" actually mean?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is possible to have a legal presence (be legally accepted. as a citizen), if you are granted stay be the US government you have lawful status.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they appear to sound mutually exclusive'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have permission you have lawful status'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a temporary visa gives you lawful status'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what type of food helps your body replinsh blood at a faster rate'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'liver'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You needs iron to replenish blood, so anything with iron, like liver and red meat is good.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, milk inhibits the uptake of iron.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so mean to the milk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont you know that milk is the perfect food ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt tells us so !'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But unless you are a blood donor, or a vegan, the average person has no problem with iron.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am not a calf, so I don't need to drink milk. I do love butter and cream, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and cheese, from goats.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hear camel cheese is pretty good also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. Except I am allergic to milk proteins :('
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am a blood donor, though, so I take some supplemental iron. Not as much as they would like, though, because I eat plenty of real food.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'allergic to all cheeses, or just cows milk protein ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what about goat ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Both, unfortunately. But I eat some anyways, it's just so good.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'goat usually doesnt bother most people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hmmm... maybe I should try it again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'goat jerky is really good also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just never cared for goat.... or mutton, for that matter.  I DO like a young lambchop, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For some reason, goat is uncommon in sweden, we eat lamb, but not that much goat.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'being desended from first generaltion norsk (minnestota)... scandinavia is just sheep county... we always had sheep on the farm, but mostly for wool and annual lambs.  goats don't do well up north.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now that I am in the south, I have goats, but they are for foilage control - not eating.  not by me, anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there ARE some dairy goats up north, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ah, goats need more heat than lamb?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'goat meat is tasty.  Roasted on an open fire.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope.. roasted, broasted, fried, dried, pickled... just don't like it.  you have at it, though =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a good goat is worth its weight in gold.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and when you get too many of them, just roast one up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well now... THAT is probobly true (not LITTERALLY true) in alot of places... goats are prized in A LOT of places in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well,if you have a brushproblem with high grass, poison ivy, etc, goats are useful.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that what mine are for  -  foilage control'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so are pigs, if you want to turn tough ground into good grazing ground.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and their good for reptiles, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm out... I got othing else'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only problem with pigs is the paperwork needed'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no paper needed here - thouhg alot of communities are sticky about pigs'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as you are not within city limits, you can pretty much have anything around here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'within reason of course.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<-- same'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all kinds of movement restrictions here, need passports for most livestock'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more then 5 domestic pigs, and the county will get suspicious, and ask you to get a permit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are county rooster laws though...you are only allowed 2 roosters in your flock...since they make the most noise.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'even if your rural?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on how close your neighbors are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Youdont need a rooster anyways, unless you want chicks...you can still produce eggs without a rooster.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pretty sure we don't have those restrictions here... if you're outside city limits, you can straight up farm if you wanna.. now CHICKEN HOUSES are regulated.. can't just plop one of those wherever you want.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you need a $20 permit, and a water-shed survey'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it is a noise problem when everyone has chickens and some roosters.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'roosters making a racket calling to eachother in the morning hours.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we don't keep chickens, but some of the neighbors do - roosters, too.  there's a little rucus in the morning, but I'm pretty rural'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guineafowls are the worst....dont get those.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'neighbor keep those.. get's 20-30 every six months or so... road casualties - buzzards love 'em'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but they keep the reptiles in check'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why does he get so many?  does he cook them ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. they are only for snake patrol'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '20-30 every 6 months ?  That is expensive.....a couple pigs would do the same job.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pigs love to eat snakes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and something about parasite control for his 6-7 beef cattle'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you can't just let pigs roam.. the guinies go ALL OVER the place.. '
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he gets chicks, so I don't think he spends alot.  $2-3 each, at the most'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, guess I am just used to having wild boars all over the ranch keeping the snakes controlled...'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never see them near the house.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and since they go all over, they get whacked on the road alot'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you keep chickens, you'll end up having your house dispossed'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dispossessed'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has sea views (whole wall missing due to mortar strike)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your sysadmin sets the update policy for the department's pc's to "auto", then you probably should consider firing them'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if those idiot meat marketers think calling a pork steak, a detroit steak, or a roast, aNY roast is going to help southerners buy more meat at the store....they are more stupid then I thought.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'worked for salisbury'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the USDA authorized meat produers to change the names of the 350 or so meat cuts of pork and beef.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still not going to work in the south.....you name it after southern cities, not yankee asshole cities. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it's done that way to seem more upper crust'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even going to stop using pork chops as a name :('
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden they removed the bone from the pork chop and call that piece "inner tenderloin". Usually a fat free, gray disgusting cut.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That should be outer, not inner.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Grey meat yummy'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's what all supermarket pork looks to me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I havent bought pork from a supermarket in years.....we have so much wild pigs, that we have hunts 2-3x a year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The disadvantage of buying quality meat from a good farmer is that supermarket meat looks and smells wonky... '
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wild pork tastes so much better compared to the store bought crap.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wild boar is awesome.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It almost makes me want to become a hunter, just so I can get more of it....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is fun to hunt a boar....and dangerous....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unlike deer, a wild boar can kill you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'roddenberry got his idea of the klingon targ from the wild boar.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wouldn't mind getting killed by a wild boar, tbh, I like living primal :D Although I'd do my best to avoid it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Overseas demand for U.S. meat has cooled as both Russia and China have concerns about possible traces of the feed additive ractopamine, which is used to make meat leaner'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we add so much shit to our feed, it is just wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am surprised we are able to export any food at all.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why people should go back to growing their own food and buying meat from the local farmer via the local abbatoir via their local butcher - control on the chain and transparency'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so no surprise that a combination of corporate shopping interest + government legislation has meant all the small butchers and abbatoirs have closed'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'makes it rather difficult to have a city that way'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cities are where all the trendies can be packed to give each other diseases and poison themselves to death'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hated cities anyway, but i completely lost any empathy for their inhabitants when it dawned on me that all of the fucking retarded regulations and changes that make my life a misery came out of citydwellers'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so city lovers - you're going to BURN'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as the bread tastes good, and has fiber.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden we have seen a lot of small producers starting to sell directly to customers popping up over the last 5-10 years or so. Definitely a trend change.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Skipping the middle men also means the farmer can get paid more and the customer can pay less or the same.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't happened here yet in any meaningful trend, ranrr owing to regulation'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'take some fresh bacon from a wild boar, fry it up, put between two thick slices of bread.....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, most people just buy the cheapest stuff from the supermarket, but at least now you have the option to buy the good stuff. Meat that looks and tastes like I remember it from my childhood :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and wild boar spicy sausage for breakfast, with fresh eggs, and toast with real butter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'regulations definitely favor the big producers -- cla -h'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'whoops'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They've made some good changes here to make small producers possible. Also, it's allowed for a hunter to sell meat directly to customers without special paperwork since a couple of years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'those are great changes and I wish we would make them'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're still waiting for the penny to drop here, but all political movement is in the opposite direction because of the money crisis... which is kinda the idea of the crisis'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Although most hunters keep the meat for themselves, you can, during season, find e.g. moose.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'MOOSE'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Lots of moose in sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of moose in Canada/Alaska'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a muntjac problem here, the government are contemplating a cull. I bet none of that meat will find it's way to the food chain, it'll all be pissed away and burnt'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the UK does waste 16 billion pounds of food every year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a disgrace, riz, though USA is probably similar'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '96 billion pounds in the US, and 200 billion pounds in the EU'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '96 in US vs 16 in the UK?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so using some conversions i'm guessing then we're looking at $96bn in the US, $24b in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In Haiti, they waste none, but they also have none.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about $120 billion in the US in wasted food costs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so per capita wastage is the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has been estimated that about 50% of the food we produce is wasted, and that included any exports.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the blame for food wastage is ultimately traced back to the fact that while academically (supposedly) brighter than previous generations, the current crop are what can be best described as "fucking stupid". Blame government indoctrination (schooling) which has purged all semblance of basic home economics from the syllabus'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the price you pay for food also includes the cost of throwing away all that food, so it doesnt behoove the producers to use it....it is easier to just throw it away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We should remove 'best before' dates on food, and teach people how to determine for themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't do that, people can't cope without government telling them what to do'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Our sense of taste and smell has been perfected for millions of years to do that, so everyone should be able to manage that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on the food'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Watched a docu about food waste in western countries......A guy fed his whole family just from dumpster diving the local grocery stores.....hundreds of pounds of food thrown away in original packages every day.....just because it was expiring the next day.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, only works for real food, not fake foods.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a tv series here called superscrimpers, had a segment on it where they helped out a family struggling with their budget, and would often see the crazy shit trendy people did, like chucking out their milk every day and buying fresh'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He would pick up 20 packages of all natural grown beef from behind the local Whole Foods and drop it off at a local shelter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, not just 'real food', food can go off in subtle ways that wouldn't trigger you to know it was off'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people get arrested to raiding skips behind supermarkets here now'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd say that only applies to fake food, Majic. Real food doesn't need a date on it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I'd say that you're wrong, and I suggest you ask a food safety expert'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Give me an example.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supermarkets don't like it because people who skip-dive should be buying at full price, and didn't like the fact people were suing them'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure. Friend of mine ate beans that he'd forgotten about in the fridge, beans tasted fine, he ended up in the hospital with bloody diarrhea'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'on a more widespread scale, look at how many people end up ill at church picnics due to homemade ice cream including raw eggs'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beans?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'beans shouldnt cause that, must have been something else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or he had a weak immune system.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beans shouldn't make you ill, unless they'd decayed '
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cross-infection maybe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'could have had a weak immune system, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hmmm... well, beans are not a natural food for us, so I guess our senses are not tuned to that. And ice cream is defintely not real food, imho.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl, okay, if you redefine 'real food' sufficiently '
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'butter is real food.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i had butter today!'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo for butter!'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't real real butter, but at least was butter as opposed to fake oil-based spread that will give you cancer/diabetes/whatever'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has the UK started rationing things yet ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cant let you british people buy too much stuff now can we !!?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Could just replace the 'best before' date with a 'production date' and teach people to use the gooey stuff between their ears.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rationing?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially, yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'tax garbage?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'garbage is taxed, yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Tax it more!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and btw, what nuts said about skips, frankly I think that if you raid a supermarket's skip, why the fuck should you be able to sue them?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? taxing it as it is hasn't done anything except put local tax rates up'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I was just trying to open a can of worms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, majic, though they're arresting people for taking from them on the grounds that it's theft'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you wanted to clamp down on waste via tax, ranrr, tax supermarkets on packaging'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'theft of garbage?  Arrest me then, I would love to get on the local news and slam the supermarket.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pigouvian taxation never works because it is dreamt up by, and implemented by retards, many of which hail from left of centre political groups'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens frequently, riz, US or UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have never heard of anyone being arrested here for stealing garbage.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dumpster diving is a fine art in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, the bakeries near here have bins for their day-old bread when it's now two days old'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'around here = upstate ny'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilh5iUQIb4s&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ATF Seeks 'Massive' Database of Personal Info: 'Assets, Relatives, Associates and More''
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I told the ATF to get those because I was bored'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'note'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best thing to do with the ATF is to disband it'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'John Kerry: "Missile defense system is a 'cancer on our nation's defense''
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'muslims now fighting christians in Egypt. Buddhists fighting muslims in Burma'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'noegel's fighting snooky's in Texas'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Residents said the violence broke out on Friday when a group of Christian children were drawing on a wall of a Muslim religious institute.A Reuters reporter saw what looked like a swastika drawn on the wall. Muslim residents said it had offended them because it looked like a cross.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 900 dead sealion cubs washed up on Californian beaches last week has been attributed to radiation poisoning from Fukishima'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '12 million tons of UK's carefully sorted recyclables are being dumped in foreign landfills'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pigouvian taxation ftw'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than 10,000 people have signed a petition to revoke Obama's peace prize'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wait, why does he have a peace prize?  I didn't hear of this'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same reason EU has a peace prize, out of some bizarre psy-op-minded attempt to giving them credibility'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a peace prize also.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom waves his hands about in grand gestures as he casts, "SUMMON DOUBLE!"
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'summon hope?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hope the SS United States ocean liner isnt mothballed....should refurb it, and use it as a small cruise ship along the coasts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet there are lots of people who would love to cruise on a retro ship, like how people used to in the 30s to 60s'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zero hedge is usually quite good, but i noticed this in a piece about portugal contemplating paying public sector wages in treasury bills to get around certain cuts being struck down by their court systems'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"the country may find itself in the ECB's "dunce" corner, with Draghi preparing to pull a "Berlusconi" on a government which can't even whip its judicial branch in line"'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an independant judiciary is kinda essential to the seperation of powers in working democracy '
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a government is able to lean on the judiciary, you start getting kangaroo-courts dominated by tyrannical government of the sort that you only see in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'like my afrikaans teacher says the people who invented afrikaans were smoking their socks'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a reason for banning socks'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I smoke my socks after I run.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'just dont invent a langauge after smoking them'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Scrublord Wolfe: 'I thought Afrikaans was basically a dialect of Dutch?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LslLO9rAfjU'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll like that one :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't think so, he just FTALKed some and it was straight up weird looking'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'mixture of german french and dutch'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Scrublord Wolfe nods.
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ah, that's why it was strange.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The only words I understood was die for the and radio for obvious'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'and if die radio doesnt mean the radio then I'm clueless grissom'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is talking too much and will be quiet now.
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what differentiates a conspiracy theorist from a determined investigator doggedly chasing leads to prove x begat y?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'an example of the latter would be, say, Jethro Gibbs from the NCIS show.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'love isn't a real thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'true or false.  And why?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'neither is fear'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Neither is the urge to shit when you're in the middle of the desert and have no toilet paper :/'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'no, that's real'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and quite dangerous, too, since it dehydrates you'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'especially if you just had coffee'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'thats called now planning ahead :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep, always carry a camelbak full of ice and water'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'not*'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's always warm muckwater at the end of about 3 hours lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even breathing the wrong way in the desert can lead to your death'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The desert is my bitch'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: 'you love it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Actually it's not I have been extremely dehydrated more than a few times'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'How much does your gear weigh anyway noegel?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I have no idea... gun belt is about 20 pounds, but I haven't put my camelbak and extras on a scale'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'tip from the wise... dont'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I will have to do that tomorrow night when I go back to work... been on vacation for like 2 months'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'water's pretty heavy'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: '8 lbs a gallon'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dardezael: '8.3 right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't know lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I'm a fan of integers these days :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm used to it though, if you don't have a camelbak and decide to track a group, you are just asking to be medivac'd if youre lucky'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's a camelbak?  Is that like a saddlebag?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's a backpack for gear that also has a waterbladder for hydration'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Always carry water purification tabs to drink the cows drinking water, but that is worst case scenario yuck'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'All I can say is bleh on the desert, never going into one outside the country AGAIN.  I'm cool with the california desert'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ooooo where did you go Karang'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even worse than self-recycling?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Kuwait'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ew'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't you get freaked out by all them tarantulas, Noegel?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol no tarantulas down here, they're rare, but the banana spiders are big... but once you run into several of them in the dark you learn to just swat them out of the way'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Bring a blacklight in the desert you wont worry about tarantulas anymore'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'http://www.expertistas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/banana-spider-7802431.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'scorpions kinda sorta glow under blacklight'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Don't use lights when you track a group, they will see you miles and miles away'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'night vision and infrared light'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, don't have to worry about the big scorpions.  The smaller the scorpion, the deadlier the toxin.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'heh true but you don't think about just a big scary spider when there are nastiers are there'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Don't really worry about critters at all, lol... they say if you're not picking ticks off your body when you get home, then you weren't doing your job properly'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'lol which border state?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Texas'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, do you guys have any arachnophobia types of stories where someone got bit/stung/freaked out?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not at my station that I know of, and I would because that story would spread fast lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And that guy would get a name for it'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'saw a 2nd lt lose his shit over... cant remember but it was a bug'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hehehe that's awesome'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'something like chickenhawk or Shrieks Like a Girl?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No idea, I'm bad at coming up with nicknames'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you get big spiders down there?  I saw a Simutronics player's link about this large-ass spindly-legged spider they found hiding behind a wall-hung clock.  Thing was as big as the clock face.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I linked http://www.expertistas.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/banana-spider-7802431.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'About hand sized, but they don't get bigger than that usually'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you wouldn't really freak out if you came across that giant tarantula they just found?  The one that's as big as your face?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I wouldn't let it chill there, but I wouldnt be freaking smashing it with a rifle butt'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No, I would probably take a picture of it though that would be sweet.  The biggest tarantula I have found was about palm sized so it was little.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'When I was a trainee I felt grossed out running through spider webs, but after doing it constantly for 5-15 miles a night you get used to it hehe'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ever blunder into the spider itself?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol yes you just swat them off'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Were you with BP before it became ICE?  Or does that age you too much? :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'When you run into webs on a trail though, it means they are waaay ahead of you though'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'ICE and BP are separate'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'ICE special agents split off and became HSI about 2 years back I think'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'ahh, HSI?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I came in after BP joined CBP though, that was in 2004'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Homeland Security Investigations'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'new acronym gov acronym alway fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am in Department of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection, Office of Border Patrol'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'well not an acronym'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, the more likely one believes Princess Diana was murdered, the more likely one believes she's still alive.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wiggles about like a fish.
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol whaaat hanslanda?  what do you mean'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'all I can say about Princess Diana she had weak genes'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL damn'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's a lame-ass study being published that says conspiracy theorists are divided along party lines, but part of that study shows that some conspiracy theorists believe in contradictory conspiracies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I love conspiracy theories, they're just so fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like reading about them, but most of them are just silly'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ie, thinking that someone killed Princess Di while also thinking that her death was faked and she's either living high and carefree somewhere anonymously OR is being held captive to maintain the illusion of her death.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'kinda like watching amovie thats stupid its funny'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'Hanslanda, are you a brit?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not by location.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'talk about semi vague, so are you an expat?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, no, I'm a Midwesterner.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I prefer fly over state inhabitant :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're on the third coast.  Clowns to the left of us, jokers to the right, here we are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'haha never heard that one'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they use it a lot in the television industry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'I got a great question when was the last time you were at like you know a beach? I'll take the coast any day'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and speaking of clowns and jokers, a vet named Kramer wants to legalize pot for pets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'so how would they administer it to the pet?  Ala 60's when they just essentally gassed chimps with smoke from pot?'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'article doesn't say, but it does say blowing smoke in your pet's face is uncool.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a related article says it's administered via glycerin tincture.'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.vice.com/read/the-vet-who-wants-to-legalize-medical-marijuana-for-dogs-000841-v20n4'
T3/r7/2013-04-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'here's another junk-science study: happy newlyweds are more likely to get fat than less-happy newlyweds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Behngazi'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol discuss!'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well handled, or diplomatic disaster'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... I'll start'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll start with alternate outcomes....'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lets say we HAD engaged militarily...'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and you'd be lying'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in all likelyhood, we would then be engaged in an expanded, and probobly heated police acition'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'esl'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that could go for years.  (our ability to get in, and get out seems to have ended with WWII)...'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the prospect of another military 'ball-and-chain' is not attractive to anyone (except maybe a few defense contrractors and their stock holders)...'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so IF that had been the way it went, it would ultimatly have been recorded by history as a fail'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what was to be done?  Obama sure didn't want to go down in history for being a war monger....'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe (and this is an opinion based on no small experience in the region, and fair game for debate) that those people were sacrificed to prevent a costly and unpopular war/police action.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and where the administration failed, was not taking ownership.  Inaction is ALWAYS an option when considering various courses of action. and it is the correct option more often than you would think'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Vonliege the new Chemosh replacement'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'So - inaction was the correct action at that moment in time to prevent another large scale deployment of US Troops - but not taking responsibility for that decision (and that whole Youtube angle?  farcical) was unforgivable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone jump in any time... debate is not a solo sport.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love solo sports, though :/'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... guess I'll try another topic late'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the bullshit is too thick to jump in safely'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'make a case'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'state your position'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'discuss the goats again :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm outa goat... someone else is going to have to do CPR on THAT topic'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what about could Germany have won WW2 if hitler had not declared war on the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and Russia'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Germany would have had a good chance if Japan didn't rape Pearl Harbor and Hitler didn't invade Russia when he did'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe invading Russia was his biggest mistake'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He got waaay too cocky when it came to Russia'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'also he interfered with his generals descions'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I'm sure he did a <smacks his head with his hand> when Japan hit Pearl'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'off'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'ON'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless "off" is short for "ofal".. in which case that reminds me.  I have to plant tomatoes today'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bumble Bee, Chicken of the Sea, and Starkist agreed to pay a total of more than $3 million to settle complaints that they put less tuna in their cans than required.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as they make up for it with dophin'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but who gets the $3 million'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'CEO bonuses ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Where the red fern grows is a classic film'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And book... both made me weep like a little bitch'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't like books that 'bitch-slap' me'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no denying it's a classic, mind you... just don't like its kind'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like books where the lizard monster is turned to ash on the last page'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... and where the hero gets to nail the hot chick'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol wtf'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kurt russell should have stopped being in films after old yeller.....even though stargate was good.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Stargate, the film was bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Stargate, the tvseries, was okay, usually'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno... production value was a bit low, but I really like the story'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Jersey Shore has great production value and will no doubt be a classic of American television.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of stands stood alone in the "pyramids were built by aliens" genre'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Stargate introductory movie storyline was defective and extremely bad -- sending a nuclear device through a gate to murder those on the other side -- euthanise the scriptwriters'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jersey shore will be banned by all western countries as too stupid to watch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Seriously, I don't know how why those kinds of shows are popular.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because people like you watch them :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't watch them, you fool!'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '-n 13'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's train-wreck TV.. like "here comes honey booboo"... no matter how bad your life sucks - or how many times you kid has been arrested - or how fat your wife has gotten... you can always find someting worse/more obsurd/more tragic on the good 'ol TV'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My wife is an overweight protozoan'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel /
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel :/
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'didn't get the dinner plates into the washer?  laundry a bit piled up?  no problem.. just watch an episode of "hoarders"'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah, I know people who watch hoarders whenever they need motivation to throw stuff away. '
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade never watched any of the "Jersey Shore" episodes -- the tvseries title (Jersey Shore) and the promos reeked "suuth park gay"
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade also avoided "Scrubs" and "Grays Anatomy"
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canned food in the US contains 52 to 66 % food in them.  The rest is water.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's not surprising'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy frozen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'canned is cheaper.. last along time too.  it has a place.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe not cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Isn't steak like 60-75% water depending on cut?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but it last along time'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not cheaper....canned veggies are more expensive compared to frozen veggies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Factsheets/Water_in_Meats/index.asp'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'canned veggies also have 4x the salt added.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmmm salt'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'HUMANS are 70% water'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmmm humans'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you may to be complaining that you want your orange juice as a powder, and your veggies fully dehydrated, and your steaks are tough as jerky'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you CAN type "tell hadar branch, info" though'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oooops'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I could type that, but I don't want to'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure it wold do you any good.. worth a try, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol, I would but then he would curse me'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer to purchase soup without having to add tap water to the soup mix -- tap water and bottled water spoils the flavor of the soup'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I make my own soups and stews yummy'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I make plenty of soup... but I buy some, too.  Like clam chowder'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Chowder!  Crap, I haven't had chowder in a long time'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade avoids most seafoods
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most seafoods cause damage to the human system -- looks at effect of seafood on the Japanese'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'godzilla'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ivars clam chowder....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I inject seafood and mercury every saturday into my veins'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've always been stumped by those signs around fishing holes... "the FDA recommends that you eat no more than one fish from this pond per month"... as if you'd eat ANY!'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol those make me laugh'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Logic: if it needs a sign like that, it's probably not worth eatin''
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they just wanna say 'don't sue us''
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'given as people have sued restaurants after getting sick from digging through the garbage ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'more like, given as people have sued restaraunts after getting sick from digging through the garbage and won.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Daloran.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sorry, meant to say 'successfully sued' '
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'it's cool =) I'd like to hope at least some countries legal systems aren't backwards as hours to the point it needed to be pointed out.. but i don't know'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'as ours, not hours'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'the burgalar who fell through the roof on to the kitchen knife suing and winning still floors me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was that a corrupt jury or a corrupt judge'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'stories like that are pretty common in the US, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'far more then they should be, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lawyers... '
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Time for this one to work. ciao'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is upset she has to work in 16 hours after 2 months vacation
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'two months vacation, wth, what are you, a european?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I saved up my vacation time'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'greece, more like'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had to take 3.5 months vacation one time... use or lose'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Was on two weeks sick leave for a bad flu, then 240 hours of annual'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'NICE vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .it WAS nice... but wasn't so nice accumulating it'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'True'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back to back to back deployments... only supposed to be able to carry 60 days max over 1 OCT... '
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ugh'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is not jealous of Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the iron lady is dead'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'when?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'breaking on the nuews'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'tis sad. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, if I saw all those north korea planes flying overhead like in Red Dawn....I wouldnt be staring at em....get out the guns boys, its time to teach these bastards a lesson!'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'it went so well in Iraq. Yay war...'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gavis: 'North Korea is hopefully just bluffing....we dont need more money out the door right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'not to mention we wouldn't win :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gavis: 'there is no winning in modern war haha'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gavis: 'there is only those who lose less than others'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'someone's been watching war games? the only way to win is not to play?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I win easily at Call of Duty'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Easiest war ever'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel fless debate!
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty fleas debate.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol grrrr'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, which means use the damn bombs!'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we built the b-52s for a reason...use em.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'you're right, the lives of innocent civilians are less than worthless.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i feel the same way about my own life.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Less than worthless?  Wow, that's low.  Basically you get paid to kill them then'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel points and laughs at Fawlty's emokid comment
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'noegel, right again. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel comforts Fawlty.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i need to start thinking like a mercinary.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'if nothing else, i'm worth the cost of a single bullet, or the components in the bombs that would vaporize me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"children belong to the WHOLE community"'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Except for sex offenders!! :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"as as parent, you do not have sole responsibility for decisions effecting your child"'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Who are you quoting, Vonliege, so I can destroy them'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'moment... '
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Children actually belong to themselves. Ownership of children is child slavery.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/08/glenn-beck-eviscerates-msnbc-promo-claiming-your-kids-belong-to-the-whole-community-and-makes-some-scary-connections/'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Um, Fawlty, who else will work in my small engine repair shop?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Midgets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'children have to go thru the coursts to get out from under their parents thumb... until they do, parents call the shots'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'sorry, not PC. Little People'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "M" word'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love me some midgets'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'congressman Hank Johnson is a joke... everyone (at least 51%) from Georgia's 4th Congressional District should be ashamed'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sometimes, I am ashamed of some of the things I say on this MUD.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'About 71% of the time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Are you more ashamed of saying you love midgets, or engage in child slavery?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'getting elected to congress takes SOMETHING... smarts?  gile?  tenacity?  powerful friends?  but what in the hell explains how Hank Johnson is a congressman?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Um, more ashamed in midgets because children don't have souls.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow, I'll be quiet now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty comforts Queen Bee Noegel.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I will let people know the previous comment is not true.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not the quiet one, the one before.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'People select their leaders in a democracy the same way they select their celebrities. It's mostly looks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are thousands of children killed in Aard every day... according to Duckbat, there is only one midget.. a Midget Titan'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I don't think it's true you'll be quiet either, but i'm happy to read you talk. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Midget Titan?  So just your average joe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like a wash to mee'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Halflings are midgets, though, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'With hairy feet'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's probobly the smartest idiot in themud, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I have hairy feet, does that make me a giant halfling?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously... a congressman who is afraid QUAM will sink if there are any more Marines stationed there?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Anyone wanna catch second breakfast with me?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel shaves your feet with feverish zealous!
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty  's foot hair grows back almost instantly.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and a congresswoman who thinks rifle magazines come from the bullet store pre-loaded with a set number of bullets... like batteries?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yummy I love shaving feet'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not really wtf'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Noggy... you know they'll probobly do a drug test your first couple of days back at work, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I think you're just trying to get as much of your weirdness off your chest as possible before you return to work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you''
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're ready, I hope?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am just as weird at work.  Just not in front of the public :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lots of goofs and dorks at work'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm just saying... as a matter of SOP... two months away?  they'll make you piss in a bottle'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't care, I don't do drugs homie'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was exempt from the wiz-quiz for two years, once...  drug eradication mission to Eastern TN.. we burned pot by the tens of tons!  '
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I'm jealous, i have to pretend to be a sports loving, beer quaffing, "regular" dude at work at work or my co-workers mockme mercilessly for being different. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel eradicates Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'There are men of all personalities and flavor.  We're a big family, though, and nobody looks down on you for being different.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'every day, we'd fly back into the home base and there'd be a pillar of black smoke streatching FAR into the sky, and we'd fly right thruit'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what work do you do fawlty'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I'm a plumber.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol so you have to be stereotypical big tuff guy then'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Exactly. >_<'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, be sure to show some butt crack when you are doing your job....it is necessary.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I personally don't call back plumbers unless I see at least 2 inches of crack'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'they might rape him'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel rapes Grissom's keyboard so he can't debate!
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'What if you can't see the crack because of a dense layer of back, and ass hair?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oops that was supposed to be Ftalk grissom lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then I will rub my fingers through it and say, Ooooh baby!'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'fail'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then you should be a stripper, not a plumber.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: '"See the amazing Sasquatch stripper!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'This is getting straight up weird'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And kinky'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'getting?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Argh work in 12 hours noo'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'wake up for school in 12'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'wake up'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel puts Grissom to sleep... permanently.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom is revived
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel issues a requisition for Grissom to be nuked.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Target Apologizes for Plus-Size Dresses Sold in Manatee Gray"'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or 7 days late?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Chelsea Clinton: "I may run for public office one day"'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel giggles.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so, anyone know the general content of the 1.7m latest release from wikileaks? i heard it was 70s stuff and dubbed "The Kissenger Files", wondered if it had to do with Kissenger sinking his claws of control into Nixon when they totally bought off/fucked up the republicans at that time'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, British public were left shocked at the announcement of the death of Baroness Margaret Thatcher, UK's only ever female prime minister. They thought she died years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she didnt die, she was turned into a wax museum statue.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'hey those vegas statues are pretty legit'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hear Texas is setting up it's own gold repository and moving to allow bullion as currency, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and marg thatcher wax statue will protect it from evil doers, with ronald reagan.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ron Paul has released a home schooling curriculum'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N3qtpdSQox0'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'worth ridiculing a second time'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'patriotic millionaire. What a joke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=QdgQnl2tbhs'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=32-kZHfLPh0'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberal being torn out'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I love everyone'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's good'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love you, Vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not in some sick, twisted arotic way... but more like how I love fresh maters.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fresh maters?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Taters?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'close'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tomatoes'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol mmmmm taters and tomaters'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually, I don't really love fresh maters...  but I DO love the bacon that goes on the sandwich with them... I APPRECIATE fresh maters because they give me an excuse to fry bacon'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some guy on the bbc news website called me a nutter today, i was distraught'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Called you a nutter?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Were you on the phone or what'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a glorified comment-on-the-news board'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuts is the only brit in england that dug his own bunker under his house with a spoon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what i fill my lunchtime with'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he called me a nutter after i called him out on some lies he was peddling about vaccine safety and misreporting in the news'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, vaccines are safe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vaccines are mostly safe, yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they worked for me, but you wont get me anywhere near a flu vaccine.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, flu vaccine is just a moneymaking wheeze'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'vacines for polio - good, vacines for smallpox - good, vacines for anthrax - not so good'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'old people with good insurance should get flu shots'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? placebo?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those uncharted games are addicting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anthrax?  it's not so good because there is no FDA (or UK equivilent) approved vacine.. .they use the Bovine variant.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'vetenaries have been taking them for year, so there IS a precedent... still... that's only a couple thousand doses.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should just vaccinate the politicians with it....then we will know if it is safe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'worse... they vacinated the US Armed Services... plenty of the UK servicemen, too.  Even Harry.. if the news can be believed'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not william, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thats not the point though....if self righteous politicians are willing to take it, then it must be somewhat safe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who knew that the first victims of gun control would be US military veterans?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a few vets[war, not animal] who have "troubles"... sort of like "gulf war syndrome"... some thinks it's the anthrax vacine.  could just about be anything, though.. get 5-6 hundred thousand folks in a room, and there's gong to be SOMETHING unexplanable'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy in After.Life is a serial killer...'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Fox might pull the plug on their free over-the-air signals, along with another major network.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They should be paying for it anyways.....let the govt sell that bandwidth to make wireless better.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wireless internet that is'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'far too many people can't afford pay-tv, regardless of where it comes from.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and for cable/satellite service, the price is artificially propped up because providers can't just buy saleable channels.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is an orgy moral if it prevents a war from breaking out?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China allows up to 150 ppb of arsenic in their rice.....the US allows 10 ppb.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which kind of arsenic?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the kind in rice, and water.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pfft, nothing wrong with that kind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'its a group 1 carcinogen....how about you go eat a teaspoon. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you might start seeing fruit juice in chocolate, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'World production of rice has risen steadily from about 200 million tonnes of paddy rice in 1960 to over 698 million tonnes in 2011'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'did i deserve a half a trivia point for pasta?'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You deserve nothing but a year of hard labor in the pits of shame and embarrassment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel tosses Fawlty a pickaxe of sorrow
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i deserved that twice over before i ever made an account. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel doubles the sentence due to Fawlty's admission of prior crimes!
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the nice things about the pits of shame and embarassment is the rampant nudity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oooooo'
T3/r7/2013-04-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos hops around like a little kid. 
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need more asses on tv :('
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'OR... you're likely to accidently get elected to the office of President.. either way <shrug>'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hmph... now THAT was a mischan!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ventria Bioscience has genetically modified rice to express lactoferrin, lysozyme, and human serum albumin, which are proteins usually found in breast milk. These proteins have antiviral, antibacterial, and antifungal effects.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like a winner... now moms can get back to work ing 1 week, instead of 6'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no wonder our diplomacy with other countries is ont he downward trend....we havent had a career diplomat appointed ambassador to the big countries in 22 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'big fundraisers get the appointments now.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'career diplomats get sent to Libya, or China, not the UK or Germany.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, people don't take kindly to bombing'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching pumping iron.....and I dont care what bodybuilders say...they didnt get THAT big without using steroids'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what about plastic surgery?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could put those biggest losers on steroids, and the weight would drop off, and muscle mass get much bigger.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has anyone else noted the disparity of tone for obituaries written for Margret Thatcher compared to those writen for Hugo Chavez?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'very polarized opinions of Thatcher'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt... but you can't deny her greatness... wether for good or ill'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'always nice to share a quality with marmite'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I'm not denying that'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'What the hell is Marmite, you ask?  Well, Marmite is made from yeast extract, a by-product of beer brewing'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'and has a rather polarising effect on its consumers'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'nor can one deny its greatness regardless of whether one likes it'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'conclusion: Lady Thatcher ate marmite.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'even obama will deserve a decent obituary when he passes on.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather than a "she was a hard ass conservative bitch that made the rich richer..."  That's not called for.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'PETA is buy drones to hunt hunters'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'man, lou ferrigno....he is almost deaf, from age 1, he learned how to lip read before he learned how to talk.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'noticed that most of the lifters in this film do short reps.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'honestly... does Aard's position on the ratings boards REALLY change the way we feel about Aard?  Sometimes I think I am at an Amway convention for all the "Vote!" "we need to be #1!" "If you don't vote - you need to leave" propaganda I hear.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Amway rules.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a legal pyramid scheme.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't honestly think so.  We get so many new people, but most of them seem to quit'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '270 of the 401 people on right now are tiered characters'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AMWAY people scare me a little bit... their like zombies... in a trance... buy my stuff...  BUY my stuff... BUY MY STUFF!!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you have a friend who's getting into Amway - he won't be your friend for long... not after he tries to sell you stuff 10-20 times a day'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so not vote but rather improve the mud for new players ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. .by all means vote... just don't make a holy crusade out of it'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would think a lot of new players get bored with the Academy because it's too long compared to most muds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Some people just want to get to playing'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel hides from the incoming flames.
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"just getting to playing" WOULD really feed the "read help xxx" trolls... '
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '270 out of 401... that's an interesting stat... there's alot to be learned from it... '
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It means that the game is not fit for new players lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps the established clientel doesn't want to be saddled with "new blood"... they are in a "This is MY MUD" state of mind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Heck I've been playing for hundreds of hours and am not tiered.  And there are dozens of new people daily, and they don't come back'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It is because the tiered players don't remember what it is like to be a newbie.  Got some senior agents at work like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I doubt that any game gets more than 50/50 return players... even WoW only gets about 6% paying players from their "try it free for one month" deal'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wait... that number is down to 2%... 2 percent!?!  could WoW finally be close to done?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'yippe die WOW die'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I wouldnt be surprised if that number was under 1% here'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You still have to kill 1 * Grissom (The Grand City of Aylor)
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Do it'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'are we facing a global aardcurrency collapse'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, sell all your gold now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont quite understand why Cutthroat Island didnt make a boatload of money.....it is a damn good film, and a classic now!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'never heard of it'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there does seem to be less gold going out than is created... what's the biggest gold sink?  Mastery/instinct?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go watch it'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pirates...  gina davis... what's not to love?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and one of the best ship on ship battles with naval ships ever made.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, Waterworld has made a profit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, that film mars needs moms bankrupted the company that made it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'erm, wasn't that made my disney?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'by*'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, it was distributed by Disney'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'The only thing that shut down was the co-op between ImageMovers and Disney (called ImageMovers Digital).  The ImageMovers studio still exists and is producing movies'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'eg. Real Steel'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which fish is your boat fishing for ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'mudders wear pink and funny glasses'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh that is evil.....a nanovirus that floats around the world absorbing electricity and self replicating.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think I read an article that a self-replicating nanobot would consume the solar system in 4 days.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would still need a power source, once that power source was exhausted it would stop.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'until it was powered again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Or solar powered!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then we are doooooomed'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, that would be stupid now wouldnt it be ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this debate is SOOOO pointless!  The government has already said that nanobots have to have a kill switch.. IT'S COVERED!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MOVE ON!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless the kill switch was removed by a psychotic dad who lost his only son in Iraq.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides.. I have a sign at the end of my drive that says "No Nanobots"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and wanted to take down the US by releasing the nanovirus into the air as a test, but without the kill switch :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the fuck is a nanovirus?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or rather - the fuck is a macrovirus?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a machine virus'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a nanovirus is what you get when you combine Rizgoth's brain with a common flu bug.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he honestly belives that the government would let something like that happen'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the government is THERE for you, man!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyone know what a black helicopter that doesn't make any noise would be hovering over my back yard?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's just a test. Return to watching the television and put down that book.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'But the book was "how to ensure you are fair to the government when filing your taxes"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's the sequel to "why you should tell the IRS if your neighbor cheated on their taxes"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm waiting for the last book in the trilogy "how to include uncle sam in your will"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I should catc that back up... it's on hulu'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any news today?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Men are so upset at their penis sizes that they need to run scientific studies and send them to aardwolf'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just some whacko at another houston college going on a knife spree. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Solution: Calm down, be confident, and shut the hell up'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too bad someone didnt have a gun to blow his ass away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BAN KNIVES!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there wasn't all this anti-gun brainwashing, maybe someone would have '
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GOP getting shirty at Mother Jones illegal wiretapping'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Biden's been acting the ass again, it seems'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Biden 2016 !'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Biden 2016, a GOP dream ticket'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Biden-Kissenger ticket, we can send some dude in a grim reaper outfit to their rally and hopefully they'll die of sudden shock in their advanced ages'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many democrats coming out saying that Obamacare is a bust'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we could have told you that'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not suprising, really, since nobody took the time to read it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'did a new provision of it just go live?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only because they listened to special interests, instead of doing the right thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the right thing would have been to hand all healthcare down to state level'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not just now, but a bunch of things went in at the first of the year.  Everything else goes live as of 1/1/14.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being the united STATES'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pretty much everyone who is in an individual plan now will see their premiums go up by something like 33% just because their existing plans don't have the Obama stamp of approval.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're lucky'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'individual plans are already 66% higher then they should be.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Time columnist Joe Klein declared on MSNBC that anyone who fears that their goernment may become oppresive is 'anti-American''
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than it being complete bollocks, i'm anti-American because i think my british government is becoming oppresive?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess the founding fathers of the US were anti american :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, doesn't that make what he says officially treason?'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Joe "Small" perhaps is compensating for a lack of a penis by wanting an authoritarian regime'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he'd have come out for a gun owner license instead, you know, an actual idea that everyone might be able to get behind, instead of throwing shit and calling people n ames, then i might have given him some kudos'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my own government is up to it's usual "passing shit laws" trick again, with plans to pass a bill that would make it a criminal offence for an owner to 'allow' their dog to attack a person on their own private property'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we ain't allowed guns to defend ourselves, now we're not even going to be allowed dogs'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a pretty important story, as it goes: http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/school-americans-dont-have-right-to-bear-arms.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an army memo listed American Family Association, Family Research COuncil, Buddhists, Evangelical CHristians, the entire Catholic Church as 'Domestic Hate Groups''
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you forgot the military veterans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different memo, veterans are terrorists, not domestic hate groups'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the VA can label you as unable to handle your affairs and appoint a fiduciary, at which point having a gun makes you a felon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can do that without a warrant, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without a medical examination, without any offence being committed'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an example of how gun confiscation is happening outside of law'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all at Obama's behest'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<-- got a letter from the VA today suggesting that I "volutarily" register any weapons I might have... did say with who, though.  Havn't verified if actually IS from the VA, but I've gotten enough letters to say "it looks legit"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'told you'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about I register a good boot in your ass, to whoever sent the letter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't i warn you? :-) next will be the "come for a wellness check"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the letter indicated that my primary motivation for doing so was to "alieviate any concerns or misgivings of co-workers and neighbors"'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can't collect any gun info on you, though, that's against Obamacare (who knew, a healthcare law that supports gun rights?)'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need to, they just ask him to attend a wellness check where they decide without any evidence or previous conditions that he's a mental health risk and revoke his gun rights'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my property line is also the city limits line (city limits go 5-10 miles outside the city proper, here).  I moved my mailbox on the other side of the line and got a non-city zip code so that I would 'officially' be far enough away from the nearest military installation so that I can get all my medical care off-post, instead of being required to go on post... give me one layer of protection from the system.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hope the city doesnt annex in your direction.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it can happen (and does, from time to time)...  it is generally voted on via reforendum, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you end up paying city property taxes, but you also get police and fire coverage'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you get to vote in the city council elections'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'harris county here in Texas has been annexing montgomery county land for decades, and without votes....they just tell montgomery county to upgrade their connections to harris county, and when montgomery county cant do it, harris takes the land.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is where the real power is around here'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you lucky!'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'water and sewer connections that is'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't want those'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everything around here is interconnected being so close to harris county.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using the same infrastructure, no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the parents who abducted their own children back after they were removed from their custody for attending a teaparty rally and owning a small pipe full of pot, have turned up in Cuba'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the best of luck to them'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, Cuba is selling them back'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for 100 tons of rice.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts goes 'pfft' at Rizgoth and covers him with globs of spittle!
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how bad (or ironic) is it when you have to flee to Cuba to escape tyranny in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Who is doing that??'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Hakken family'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I hope they have fun then.  Cubans are still coming here daily'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Doesn't help that Cubans get a free pass'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they've managed to take savings with them, they'll probably do ok'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh... the judge that finally granted custody of the Harkken children to the grandmother never published an 'opinion brief' as required... that's like taking them away and not explaining why.'
T3/r7/2013-04-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would have like to know his reasons.... there is some debate as to wether there was any "tea party" activity invloved.  Originally, the reports were that they were originally arrested at a tea party rally, but that seems to have been retracted (or redacted)'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Carrot top was the stabber at the texas college ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'guess he finally couldn't handle the fact nobody thought he was funny?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That's funnny.  I always thought he had the face of a murderer'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he looked funny... I laughed AT him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he made me feel better about how I look'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he made me feel better about the jokes I told'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he taught me that no matter how much I think I suck... he sucked more... he is a great man'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, carrot top is the beneficiary of really bad plastic surgery, plus a lot of weight lifting while using steroids.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he musta chewed gum at the same time... that's why his upper jaw muscles poke out like spare ears'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'jawbreakers must've driven him insane.  CRUNCH! CRUNCH! CRUNCH!'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, in western Kansas it was 17 F, and eastern Kansas it was 74 F.......about 100 miles in between.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'must be one hell of a hard front'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of the strangest weather patterns in many years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and HUGE'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'last summer was so dry here that the Baptist started sprinkling'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was so dry that the Catholics prayed for the wine to be turned back into water.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was so dry.... well... we'll leave off about the jehovahs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the mormons just took off their shirts and wrung them out over the bushes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd like to see a configurable 'outfit' command... that would be handy... one that would get the crap out of bags if it can't find it elsewhere... that would replace ALOT of aliasing that I getting ready to do'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what do you think about cops being able to pull you over just for holding your phone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: '100% for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why not... sounds fine to me'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you refering to the cell phone/GPS thing?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, just holding it.  Not actually using it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's like holding a joint and not actually smoking it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pull '
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Only if you're moving it... shouldn't take you much more time than adjusting your radio, if you use one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pull 'em over and smash the phone on the pavement'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am sick and tired of near-misses with people yacking on their phones'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'regardless of what you're doing in your car - eating, makeup, radio changes, phone.  It's all distractions.  Distracted driving is on par with people who are overtired and drunk.  So I'm fine with a zero tolerance policy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can even pull you over if you were in a traffic jam.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'daydreamers represent a threat to safe driving that's 5 times worse than texting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can... but won't.. unless you give 'em a reason... 99% of the cops just wanna write their tickets and get home to their pot roast'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'The laws up here are very explicit - you cannot utilize your phone unless you're using a hands free device.  That means to dial as well.  There are days the cops go up and down slow traffic and ticket people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if it's the law, then don't do it.  That's pretty simple'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Fresno County looks to be leading a charge against distraction in general.  Could mean that even hands-free operation wouldn't be legal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we survived as a species for thousands of years without talking on cell phones. we'll get by some more, I should think'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Can't be any worse than new 100% touchscreen interfaces like the Tesla Model S.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'might even make it illegal not to have that call/text/app-killing app that shuts down anything on the phone when the accelerometer detects movement.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a hard sell on this because afternoon befor last, a 13 yr old girl got PLOWED by a driver on the cell phone... took her out in her own FRICKING driveway!  This isn't fair for the sake of debate, I know.. but I'm personnaly hard to convince at this point'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't know the kid.. but I'm sure she didn't deserve that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she was playing in traffic, are you sure she didn't deserve it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stop blaming the damn phone, that asshole should be in prison for 20 years for vehicular manslaughter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'she was playing in her own drivewat'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and he should be in prison'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep, where cars can go and more importantly where cars are expected to go.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same old debate....we never blame the people who do the crap, just the things that enable them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Hans... are you smoking crack?  you must have different driveways in your plane of existence'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm just saying she had a yard to play in.  Why did she choose the driveway?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'violent people should be in prison, end of story.....killing a kid with your car is pretty damn violent.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno... maybe she wanted to ride her bike?  shoot hoops in front of the garage?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Vonliege... kids don't play outside anymore'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it wasnt an accident, he caused it to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'draw fricking chaulk art on the pavement?  it's her fricking drivway!  no 60MPH driving allowed'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'In all seriousness... guy left the public road into someone's private drive, resulting in the death of a human'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh.. she didn't die... severed her spine in two places and spilled her brains out... but she kilved'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'her previous life was killed....'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nice... I don't think I've seen anyone live when their brains are on the ground next to them'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'should go after the parents for keeping her alive.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lucky or not, depending on how you look at it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my parents have strict orders in my will to pull the plug....I want to explore the freaking universe, not lie in a damn bed for the rest of my life.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless.. I shouldn't have offered that for debate, since it's not statistical, or probobly even representative... it's a war-story'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'residential streets aren't warzones yet.  Haven't been any alien or zombie sightings.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am sure some inner city neighborhoods would disagree with you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you understand my meaning.  pretending not to is also poor debate skills'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most gun related murders take place in inner city neighborhoods, or other lower income areas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'being serious on debate channel is also poor debate skills.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's like being a news outlet on a channel with cartoons and prank shows.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and in an interesting twist, kids are just as distracting to drivers as cellphones are but we're never in a million years going to suggest people not have kids or can't drive them somewhere or otherwise parent them into good behavior during the trip.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, children are necessary for humanity's survival, so I think they get a special exemption.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are valid points made about what should and shouldn't be allowed... how about if you commit a crime with a gun, you die... if you cause an accidnet because you're busy OMGing with your freinds, you get your dialing finger broken.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point being... there is no CONSEQUENCE in our society'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all kinds of potential side affects to a "pull over to parent" type of law.  Imagine losing your $1.1 million super sports car to fire because the Fire Department can't actually get to the scene due to stopped traffic and tons of bad children getting spanked on the shoulder.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol... You have been charged with three (3) counts of OMGing with accomplices'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's anecdotal, Hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and then there's accessory crimes.  Think it's fair to get your fingers broken because your dumbass friend (or even a random misdial!) got caught drive-dialing?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again... anecdotal'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, what?  Someone not in a car got in trouble for talking/texting because the person on the other end of the line WAS in a car?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'accomplice'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it also sorta falls into 'what's necessary and what's not''
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'mandating that kids can't leave their parents house unless it's in walking distance or they're hogtied imposes a lot more social consequences than 'you can't text when you're bored''
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not the kids we have to worry about.  Adults are far more likely to cell-and-drive than kids are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you missed his point... entirely'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right -- but adults are more likely to be distracting by their kids in the back seat. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'btw, I'm not a he'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am a he when I feel like it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my appologies... you missed IT'S point'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a0LwGnaKZy8'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proving Obama a liar maybe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uh..'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry, thought this was 'debate' channel not 'tin foil hat' channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you wearing a tinfoil hat?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry man, Alex Jones could build us a second moon with the amount of lunacy he's got tucked away'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a video of a democrat official speaking in Austin, the place it was aired is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you mean that 40 seconds in the beginning before Alex Jones "explains" what the clip meant?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're expecting an unbiased media source in the USA, then you'll be waiting a whole lot of fucking time'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I always expect bias'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but there's a matter of degree'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then i'm guessing you have the mental wherewithall to ignore what he says, watch the excerpt and draw your own concl'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as i have to do with every news report from every tv station'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the cheese slid off Jones's cracker years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'okay.. let me try again... there's 40 seconds of one guy, 20 seconds of Holden quote, Feinstein in here too'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all of these pulled from context, etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and Jones does his best to tie them all together, and to Obama'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'whic his fine, that's his gig'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I just happen to realize he's nuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the feinstein and holder quotes are entirely within context'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they both pertain to democrats attempts to ban guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh really? You mean Holder and Feinstein showed up to give a couple of 20 second speeches at a news conference, then went home that day... and that was it? Nothing before, nothing after?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news conference q&a's previous questions and following questions aren't relevent'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no? well I guess we won't know unless we look for the footage'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither is reaction given to reporters after a vote ever longer than a bit'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'point is previous and following is called "context"'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is absent'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is all I said'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you expecting? it's a 4 minute news report, onslaught, since when do news bulletins carry lengthy biographies?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's being rigorous and there's being ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'No it isn't. It's a 4 minute infowars punditry moment'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever man, carry on believing that the democrats don't have an anti-gun agenda'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you NEED that tinfoil hat, it seems'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Tinfoil doesn't prevent the rays, man!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not sure where I ever said what I think the dems have on their agenda'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does anyone here disagree that democrats - as a party - want to ban (or limit to the point of uselesness) guns?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if it's Alex Jones saying it, apparently, which is the weirdest kind of anti-source bias i've ever heard'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, can't imagine why I wouldn't trust a guy who says FEMA is setting up concentration camps for Americans, which is where we all get shuttled off too after our guns are taken apparently'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<--FEMA zone 18'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows why, the fact that they do have numerous detention centers set up is not in question, possibly as preperation against a bioweapons attack?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of logical reasons why'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'eh, correction: concentration camps'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you see if you say it that way it sounds more ominous'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'detention centre and concentration camp are the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they have 65 acres purchased... about sixty 40-foot shipping containers on site.  triple strand consertina wire fense all around.  24/7 guard... but agian... could just be for disaster relief.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Really? You're actually going to try and pretend there aren't massive differences in connotation between calling something a "Detention Center" and a "Concentration Camp"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'connotation that you are putting on, they mean the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"prison camp" would also work'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we 6 shipping containers on our ranch....to keep the illegals captive.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of like bill clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"... OF COURSE... when he said "Sexual relation", he was only refering to intercourse.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should ask FEMA what they're for'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'storing rice in ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except they won't tell you, in the interests of transparency, since Obama promised the most transparent administration on record did he not?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'signs all around say "property of FEMA.  Zone 18 contingiency Site - NO TRESPASSING"'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'can't decide if I should set up a script to change the name output on this channel to (Conspiracy)
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or just turn it back off'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one might also wonder why, at the time of huge debt, you would begin setting up "brigade homeland", to create an armed federal force equally as powerful as the army'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got a call from HLS just before I retired.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I can help you on that one'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's for zombie incursions'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or why, if they're trying to save money by mass-purchasing ammo, they are buying hollow points which are twice the cost, not suitable for practice range, and banned by the Geneva convention'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Oh... I got THAT one... Geneva convention only applies to foriegn activities... not domastic'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer exploding rounds in my shotgun personally.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they're banned for war, police forces actually use them all over'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'police use them for controlled penetration so you don't hit bystanders'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean seriously'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and to get a better splatter pattern'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't use them for training, and that's what they're bought for, allegedly'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught grins evilly at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'exploding rounds... hmpht'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Daryl taught me all I need is a crossbow'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have 3 of those.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about, cut the crap and leave people alone'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but Hawkeye taught me exploding arrows come in handy.. hmm.. who to believe...'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they were terribly worried about guns getting into the hands of the mentally ill, spend money on mental health treatment and have a gun license system'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shakes his head.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we used to spend money on mental health in the US, but reagan shut down all the federal mental hospitals and released the patients to the street.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no one is coming for your guns. No one came for them LAST time they were supposed to and I couldn't buy a box of ammo to save my life because idiots believed people like Alex Jones'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'such a nice guy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and they aren't coming for them NEXT time Alex Jones says they are'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? how many states so far have outlawed semi-auto's?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all that happens is everyone from sporting goods stores to wal-mart run out of ammo because of tin hat paranoida'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're run out of ammo because of Janet Napolitano's $1.5bn ammo contracts'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the stopping of the recycling program from army spent casing'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that would be aluminum hat paranoia.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how's she manage that before the administration was even put together?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there were no ammo shortages until recently'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'frickin platinum hats these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'when Obama was first elected there was a shortage'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never had any issues, and neitehr did anyone i know'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I did'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that happens when you fight 2 wars.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couldn't have been particularly severe, or widespread'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's a "tin hat situation" for you....  while we were all worried about ammo... there was enough environmental and restrictive laws put into place to make manufacturing primers almost imposible... have you tried to buy pistol primers in the past 6 months?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've got a shortage of baby milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, AJ does not have the listenership to have caused a countrwide ammo shortage - have your tinfoil hat back'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am sure China would love to export some baby milk to the UK....of course it will be 25% fake protein made from construction materials.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh it wasn't just AJ'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I said people LIKE AJ'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'AJ, the NRA guys, other nuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whenever the government starts talking gun control, people will buy up'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not nuts, that's standard fear buying, it happens with gas here'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the govt isnt talking gun control, whackos are :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'except the gov didn't start talking gun control. Obama gets elected and people just went crazy'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes... they... are'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ever try to buy a sheet of plywood with a hurricane coming?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or a generator.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or bottled water?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the attempt to get a semi-auto and high capacity magazine ban into the senate didn't happen in Onslaught's world?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all right, I'm out, hopefully this chan is a bit more practical when Tigernuts is sleeping or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NJ and Connecticut didn't pass laws to that effect'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean, wait til i'm not here so you can me more comfortable in your strangely contorted reality where those things didn't actually happen?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... he was better at it than Hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did the holocaust not happen in your reality?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ahh'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I call Godwin'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I win, see ya later'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call him, he's in Light'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should have a shotgun......go buy one now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but they ARE fun to watch...  so that takes time'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How can colleges justify charging $2400 for a meals plan ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'supply and demand?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'colleges are money making businesses'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's what people will pay?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stop the student loans, and you will see what people are willing to pay. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever happened to scholarships?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I seriously doubt that more than a couple percent of students are actually PAYING $2,400'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'student loans are like credit cards now....easy to get, and you never pay them off.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'actually most of them are paying them by means of loans'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'many colleges require that freshmen/soph live in the halls and many require that students in the halls have a meal plan'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government doesn't live within it's means, why should students?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the only way to get out of it is to get kicked out of the dorms'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'talking about meals... you don't think that school lunch subsidies extend to college?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stupid rule anyway, we never had meal plans in dorms'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are SO MANY paths to free college'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kids are supposed to be learning to fend for themselves'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'scholorships are one,.. but it's pretty hard for average white joe to get those.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, no. the students who get subsidized lunch usually qualify for pell grant or something like that which is just a general grant (and doesn't grant very much anyway, enough for a community college'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'community colleges are good... especially for the first two years'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what's wrong with just having a subsidised cafeteria?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the grants go for tuition/room/board/etc as well'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I (taxpayer) don't want to fund it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't, vonliege, the college does'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but colleges are "for profit"'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've just discovered the problem'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they wouldn't fund it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of the colleges are funded at least to some extent by taxpayers. Even the ones that don't get funds directly have students on federal student aid. VERY few do not have students on federal aid'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm saying that TAXPAYERs are funding it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our cafeteria was run by the student union and was not run for profit, hence was cheap'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so was the pub'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all students qualify for pell grants.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's why they have to let ROTC programs exist... THAT really chaps some liberal asses'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then between my two uni stints, the uni took them both over and they became both shit and expensive'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially after the limits were raised.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also had Streetfighter 2'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Was reading how most colleges are trying to get away from the tenure system.....and switch to a more transient professorship'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's how they can hire people like bill ayers'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a lovely man, apparently, knows el presidente too, worked with him on some shady business dealings'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am opposed to that... leaves WAY too much room to stack the facualty how ever you see fit... hell. you could give your MAMA a job teaching knitting'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and everyone know that "knitting" is code for "communism"'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jobs for the family and friends? in Chicago? surely not, that's a really corruption free city, and the safest in the USA since they banned all firearms'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'uh huh'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and anyone who argues otherwise is wearing a tinfoil hat'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, sorry, for a second I thought I was Onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chicago is extremely safe, if you are a govt employee like police, or firemen....but everyone else is open season.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, so the new aristocracy is safe, the peasants are not'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is boring... we don't disagree enough... where's onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you think of Margaret Thatcher buttscratcher?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't understand?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you know who Margaret Thatcher was?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The Iron Lady... of course.. Grand 'ol woman'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you know anything else about her, without looking it up on wikipaedia? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'conservative...'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'great quotes... '
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tough'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'died recently'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'decisive'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes.. there is that'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'her husband preceeded her, tyhough.. so what's the "buttscratcher"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'British'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus proving you understand that there are countries in the world outside of USA, Canada, Mexicoa and Iraqistan'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'words to live by: The streets are safe in Philadelphia, it's only the people who make them unsafe. -- Mayor Frank Rizzo'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not entirely sure, Vonliege, moving on'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she did screw me up personally, though (and others of my generation)'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and she made a strategic blunder in making the UK reliant on the service/banking sector'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but she did save us from socialist bankruptcy'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I know she was in with banking and industry'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and she did stand up against those in Europe who wanted to make a United States of Europe, which is also why she was eventually outted'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she was a barrister by trade'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'EU isn't doing so well ATM... might have been for the best... go on'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or whatever you guys call them'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lawyer, I believe'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and her da was a grocerer'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, back when there were such things'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm sort of waiting for the point of who/what the "buttscrather" was in your original statement'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the problem with the united states of europe is, there are too many different cultures that have never really lived together.....whereas the US was mainly a small country when it started, and expanded via annexation to the west.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt a US could be created in todays world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and made people want to conform when they emigrated... it all worked out pretty well for us... yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure, vonliege, was camping at a rock festival and there was some intertent shouting going on, one side was shouting margaret thatcher, and the other buttscratcher, i'm not sure of the relvence or source of it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but not lets get off track... UK - MT - EU'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the biggest thing she did to screw me up was selling off all of the state owned social housing at a discount (which in itself was a good idea) but then barred local councils from using the money to build new social housing - it led to a boom in buy-to-lets which put severe upward pressure on the cost of housing, both rental and purchase'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so back in 1980, a 3 bedroom dupex with 1/2 acre of garden would cost 3.5 the average salary, now the same house costs 10x the average salary'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've complained about it before. at length. repeatedly'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US, you buy/rent when you can afford it... get it for free when you can't.  which sucks'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess what sucks is the definition of "afford it"... if you don't have any money left after you buy cigarrets, cable TV, cell phons and crack... then you can't afford housing'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'limitedly'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as the soup nazi says....NO SOUP FOR YOU!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you can borrow in terms of a mortgage is limited by your salary, ergo, what house you can afford is also'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like a stone kiln for making my own'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 1.6 billion coca-colas are consumed every day worldwide.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no such thing as coca-cola'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cocacola doesnt even make the cola...they only make the syrup in a classified location.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it must be located under White House.....the govt sold the presidential bunker to pay down debt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'strong coffee+eucalypt candy+bubbly water=cola'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proper coca cola is far better for you than the crazy sugar free ones'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably should say "less bad" for you rather than better'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I hesitate to agree that soft drinks are 'good', yes :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is the main consumer of HFCS.....that needs to change.....all of you should get to deal with the problems of it. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'HFCS consumption is down 7% in 2012 though.....need to reduce it that much every year.....boycott corn sugar!'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'and sugar while we are at it'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if congress doesn't change the renewable fuel standard thingies, you may end up converting all the corn to biofuels, that should take care of the HFCS problem, and also help combat overpopulation'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also helps if you boycott sugar in general..'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coca cola uses a lot of robots in its factories.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a spacecraft 50 meters long has been found in the Sea of Galilee......'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more than 4000 years old.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oooh really?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you're just teasing :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is covered with stone....but we all know it is an alien spacecraft.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is the only thing in the whole sea....satellites found it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no other structure like it, 50 meters long, 20 meters high from the sea floor'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and round.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like a circle'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'makes perfect sense... object crashes... stones rush to envelop'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you just watch, we will find Vulcans inside.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Spock Lives!'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Or just my offspring.... yess..... the time has come, my babies'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know.. I just logged on, and I see vulcans and spock... what am I supposed to think?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 10 ton coil of aluminum makes 700,000 12 oz cans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Or a vulcan space pod'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the red color that coca cola uses is coca cola red, and it is trademarked, only they can use it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, the blue angels squadron has been canceled for 2013 :('
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'congress decided to keep its inhouse shoe polishing service instead of the blue angels.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, pc sales plunged 14 % in the first 3 months of 2013.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, change name of Twinkies to Twinkos ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tablet sales are up'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the average coca cola bottle in Europe is reused 15 times before it is melted down to create a new bottle.'
T3/r7/2013-04-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So that's why you came to Tuco. It doesn't matter, I'll kill them all'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what is a kingstoner'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'KingstonerS TV is a show, a REAL show about stoners. No scripts, no rehershals, no bullshit. Straight stoners in their natural enviroment and the resulting shinnanigans.Enjoy and subscribe, because you never know where weed could take us'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'straight from a google search'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure how I feel about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and your opinion on it as a char name'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... it's not vulgar or lewd in and of itself... I would not choose it for myself, but you are not myself.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Reign of Fire is a decent film'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dragons return and lay waste to the world.. set in england?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a Kingston-er is somebody from Kingston'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, kinda unrealistic though...you would think they would figure out that most of the dragons are female long before that military team did 20 years later.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'entertaining, and good effects... I liked it'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, me too'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'suspended disbelief is required for any of those types of films'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i'd rewrite a different ewnding, where the dragons win -- and perhaps evolve into that Aliens creature'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'kingston what?  CA, ONT, NY, GB....'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'aliens are always good'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but then it would have been a different movie.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alien vs. Dragons'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or... aliens vs dragons vs humans vs GODSILLA!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aliens + Dragons'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'culd get nicholas cage to play the aliens AND the dragons'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aliens + Dragons vs humans (soon to be either extinct or the food crop for Aliens)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont forget the Predator.....gotta let them in the fight.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aliens + Dragons + Predator vs humans (as food crop for Aliens, and amusement for the Predators)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aliens + Dragons + Predator + Skynet terminators  vs  humans -- (with a "To Serve Humans" cookbook)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you REALLY don't like humans, do yo Zade'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i'm researching alternatives to the current humans'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I'm watching a CSI Miami rerun - never really got into the show, but it occurs to me... is there any place on this planet where a forensic lab has LEAD on solving a crime?  Where's the beat cops?  where's the pavement-beating detective work?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'less expensive to film inside.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It is a TV show hehe'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... but don't we expect a little more from our TV shows these days?  perhaps even a feable attempt at realism, especcialy for a crime drama?  It's not like it's star trek or anything'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'if you want reality, watch reality tv.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i'm a huge fan of dancing with the stars, for instance.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'actually, isn't there a reality show on about cops right now, oh yeah, it's called Cops. It's been on for 20 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Reality?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Like when they take a fuzzy surveillance camera and enhance the resolution on someones face to crystal clear?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... reality shows have worse scripts that fictional drama'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"scare tactics" is the absolutely WORST produced reality show... sometimes, if you watch close, you notice that the "mark" is used in multiple shows'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'other times, you can see that themark is wearing a wireless microphone'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, matt damon has become a Borg in his latest film, Elysium.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what the hell is up with british electronic string quartets?  Bond, Escala, Astria, ''They'r all '
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the stinking SAME!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'super-hot young chicks in tight clothes that prance seductively around the stage with their fiddles'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: '263 tiers on online out of a total of 388'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and i wonder how many are t9's'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '78'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'gamestat 9'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so that means 30% percent of tiers on currently are t9 and tiers as a whole make up 68% of players online'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Indeed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Indeed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I believe it is because this mud is not as friendly to new players as others.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so techinically we are like viruses to the tiers perfect system'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I wouldn't say that lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's just that some tiers get irritated with newer players (especially those new to MUDs in general) because they don'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'dont remember what it is like to be a newbie'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'of course tiers cant survive without the new blood's coming in'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think they would survive just fine'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'then they wouldnt have anyone to make fun of '
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's possible to remember being a newbie and still get irritated :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, Grissom, most people keep these channels off'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Clantalk is the place to be'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'At least according to the gamestat channel one'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I remember my first mud, I went around killing things for several days before I realized that you had to go to your guildmaster and type 'gain' to get a level :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'LOL Majic I remember a mud like that and I did the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'this is the only mud i have ever played'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal comforts Grissom.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You will find (in my experience) that MUDs with few people are a closer knit community than this place.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sometimes, though, it's very hard as a newbie to break into a close-knit community'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But this one is fine for my style'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you're 'that nub who's always off soloing' who gets turned down for groups because 'no our group is perfect as is''
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nah, if you are a loner in rl, you'll be most likely one here too'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I live in a cave in Zimbabwe'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal comforts Queen Bee Noegel.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'cool, I always wanted to live in a cave'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would invite you over but I'm being raided by tigers brb'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'caves are good....just need power brought in, internet, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i am a loner in rl i am totally different on here i actually have self-esteem here and self-confidence'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the temp is pretty stable in a cave.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Back'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'front!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'reminds me of one of my favourite fark headlines -- Senegal notes decrease in tiger population. Senegalese man armed only with stick curiously untroubled.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'also be sure to get a bat or two to keep the mosquitoes away'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'GRrrrr'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'front is WAY better than "back"'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'bats make guano and disease'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'bat-flu?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I just feed mosquitos to my wolf children'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well noe not all of us are as hairy as you'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am pretty hairy'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My fur is prized by poachers'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'get poached wuite a bit, do you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They attempt, but I have auto-turrets at the entrance'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what color is your fur'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gray'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'probably blue'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My fur changes colors depending on the weather and mood'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, gray like bill clintons hair.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No, that was just bill clinton humping me'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am sexy when my fur is conditioned'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'How did the conversations abbout tiers get here'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and how do you type with your claws'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I keep them manicured!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tombstone is such a good film'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'conservatives are killing this country. :p  And need to be booted from the republican party.....let the moderates have it back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am a moderate!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel runs for President!  Time to pack up your bags and move!
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Remember the Alamo!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'When Ozzy pee'd on it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'what was it about again? something about tea in the sea?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if they had a few more days of rice, they would have taken the mexicans!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Or if I was there!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would punch Santa Anna in the nuts!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'IRS has come out and said they're allowed to snoop emails without a warrant because 'people don't have an expectation of privacy in emails"'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'fling 'em high, ladies!  A study says that wearing bras makes your boobs saggier.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other EU news, Honorary president of the supreme court of italy implicates the Bilderberg group of being in cohoots with far right organisation 'Ordine Nuovo' in kidnapping and murder of former italian prime minister Aldo Moro'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it's in keeping with Operation Gladio'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun control bill squeaks past senate, hopefully if the ammendment passes, it'll keep the dribbling liberals happy long enough to boot them out of office'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'why do you dislike the bill nuts?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pointless'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'in what sense?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't serve a purpose'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'meaning you dont believe in the philosophy or you think there is a better way to achieve the same goal?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not really about philosophy though, it's about practicality'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'make a law that makes it illegal for criminals to have a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so all 3'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'ok... you havent really said anything constructive. what is your alternative?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a far better plan would have been a gun-owner license which you could have upon reaching 18, subject to passing a safety test, updated every 5 years or whenever you change address contingent upon proviing you have a gun safe'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'its not making it illegal_ thats already the case. its about checking to make sure they cannot get guns as easily '
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there would be no requirement to record gun sales, only check validity of the license'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would circumvent people's concerns about gun registration'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'i like your idea actually, but the nra would never let that pass'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though if you're looking at reducing violence, forget gun control, criinals don't get background checks, you need to sort out poverty, mental health, and end the drugs war'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NRA would like that far better than the current scenario'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'the current bill is a very small step in that directioe'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the current bill is pointless'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and while i agree that they probably won't build a gun registry, it could lead to that'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i also disagree with the steps being taken out of law to disarm army veterans, and these ridiculous stories about gun confiscation as a result of a child branding a water pistol'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'if there is no record of sales, how can you know which store doesnt care and sells to criminals?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can drive near the inner city neighborhood of houston and buy any gun I want off the record, it is easier to buy a gun then it is to buy a beer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would it matter, humbler?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'off the street that is....'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the same reason you want to know which store sells tainted meat that kills people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unregistered guns are everywhere, it will always be that way...the only difference will be the bad guys will make all the money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would rely on codes of ethics and random checks, much like the threats put on stores selling licquor to underage people'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'if you do the same thing for guns that you do for cars: registration and passing a test, it would be safer for people'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would not'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and gun registration is a bad idea....I wont register my guns, period.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'why would my scenario not be safer?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'criminals don't register guns, humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the analogy dies at that point'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'they wont be able to escape arrest if they need to be registered'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could not require them to be registered though'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'not to mention the owner is responsible for safekeeping their guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'here in Texas they are finding unregistered NATO guns on the streets now.....smuggled into the US by the drug cartels, and sold to gangs, or anyone else who wants them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guns are banned here, period, there is still gun crime'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a naive outlook, sorry'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'stolen guns don't have to be returned to their owners.  Who exactly is not going to escape arrest?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'police ask for car registration if you speed, they can check gun registration if you are convicted of assault or domestic abuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to realise that gun ownership by lawful people isn't the issue'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not even relevent'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'like they take away your car for being a menace to society, they can do the same for guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can do that now anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Criminals can steal cars. There's no reason for car registration either.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'leave the gun unsecured: It is confiscated and you pay a fine to get it back, like when a car is towed'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only reason for car registration is to fight car theft'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, vehicles shouldnt be registered, it is only a way to tax people more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'leave a child unattended, pay a fine to get 'em back. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'the reason cars have registration is also to catch criminals, thats why police ask for it, to make sure it isnt stolen and belongs to you'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'People should be taxed for car ownership because the government has to build/maintain the roads. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the real cause of gun violence is poverty, gangs, and the war on drugs'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get the govt out of vehicle registration, let the insurance companies do it....oh thats right they already do!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the cause of massacres is mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sort out the CAUSE'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, gas tax pays for roads.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Less taxes from vehicle registration = higher gas taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'and the govt has to pay for er visits of victims shot during gun violence and extra police, it is also a tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there should be toll booths to get onto the sidewalks.  Pedestrians use them'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'no one tax pays for any one thing, taxes are pooled and then divided by senate when they approve a budget'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'tolls, gas, registration, different things pay for roads'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK i'd vote to get rid of car tax, get rid of some of the fuel duty, revise insurance rules so that government could provide a basic minimal cheap policy option, and charge a yearly fee based on mileage'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'cigarette taxes dont have to pay for health, they can pay for schools or roads as well'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think specific duties like cigarette tax should be used explicitly for health, similarly car taxation should be used on the transport budget'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they need to change the name of tax to theft....'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'thats silly tiger'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not at all silly, it's fair'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you use taxes on freedoms to pay for the cost to society of those things'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you realize that would kill jobs, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would kill jobs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a yearly fee based on mileage.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'some things do not have an accompanying tax. who pays for disability? welfare? income tax? some taxes are also incentives to lower costs, like tolls, to keep cars off of certain roads'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't touch jobs here, hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you already pay it in gas tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, they are going to charge you a mileage fee in a few years anyways....on top of gas taxes, and vehicle registration taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything else comes out of general taxation, humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'who said gas tax would be enough?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some states even charge property tax on your vehicle.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Humbler, tolls are also instituted to pay for specific project. For instance, where i live they started tolling a bridge to raise capitol to build a replacement.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should move from gas taxes to mileage fee, riz, need to collect money from electric cars'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'what pays to build schools? hospitals?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'general taxation, humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd scrap all here except income tax, sales tax, corporation tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'carbon-fuel burning engines also cause a cost to the air we breathe, so those taxes also pay for pollution'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense, humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'right...'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'these days the air pollution is mostly from wheel-ground contact, not exhaust'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'particulate emissions from modern cars is tiny, it's mostly CO2 and water'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'inefficient buildings create more pollution then autos now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consumerism and intensive farming causes more pollution than cars'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'those should be taxed too rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you must be a poor person, cause only really poor people want more taxes that they will never pay.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fewer taxes the better, you get more bang for your buck'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less opportunity for tax dodging'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sales taxes are best.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get rid of income taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah, you need income taxes otherwise people just barter/pay cash and dodge sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'that's a pretty ignorant statement, rizgoth. there are a lot of inordinately wealthy people who support raising taxes. >_<'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, those are people whose wealth is offshore who'll never pay those taxes'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the inconvenient thing about a sales tax is that it is inevitably regressive'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yeah, that is why they hire expensive accountants to reduce their taxes, because they want to pay more tax. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'fawlty, he was saying that to avoid making an actual point'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are the pseudo-royalty that want to pull up the drawbridge and make everyone else serfs'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'social programs enforce social stability that benefits the wealthy more than the poor.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'without food stamps, for instance, starving people would turn to looting. that would cause society more than the food stamps. it's a reality of human nature.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if they wanted to pay more tax, just deduct nothing....and pay the full rate on their income.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like that will ever happen though...rich people are more stingy then poor people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no-one doubts the need for a safety net, i would question how big a net that is, and who should provide it'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'perhaps without food stamps, you'd have to reorganize your economy in such a way that the "working poor" class disappeared, ie. the food stamps effectively subsidize walmart etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'you are being dense on purpose riz? the people who advocate raising taxes want to raise it for them *and* the ones who abuse loopholes, to fix the economv'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the government is the only organization with the reach to provide such a program in an equitable, nation-wide form.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true, fawlty'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't fix the economy by raising taxes'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can have some respect for that facebook ceo zuckerburg though.....buying those options and having to pay $1.2 billion in income tax....took a lot of guts....he could have spread it out over a couple years. and reduced his tax bill.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'we're not talking about economy here, we're talking about social stability.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate the really neat 'loopholes' are more like barnyard doors that require a quite expensive car to drive through - multinational corporations and hnwi are the beneficiaries'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'you make claims that are insubstantial tiger, state facts please'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about WHAT, humbler, you can't just claim someone's ideology is insubstantial and not say what it is you're disagreeing with'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'you said not true to fawlty'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the reality of free-market capitalism is that economic forces will plunge certain areas/classes into poverty as the means of production and distribution change.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about government being the only thing that can provide a safety net? no, they aren't, charities, churches, and local community groups used to do it perfectly well, for far less money, and far more effectively'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'food stamps = subsidized food -> overconsumption of food, also food stamps which can only be used in certain preapproved locations (large chains) -> subsidizing said locations'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at WORST, it could be done at a state level'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'reread what fawlty said'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If poor people need money, give them money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then again, he took advantage of the lower income tax in 2012 to buy the options.......smart.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if poor people need money, give them a job'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, we could use some street sweepers....give em a broom.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zuckerberg is guilty of inside trading. Paying his fair share of tax is the least he should do, he ought to be in jail'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Who is going to give them a job, exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'who will pay them?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'quite a lot of the people who receive food stamps have a job, but if two people can have full time jobs and not earn enough to pay for a family, there is something seriously wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you haven't screwed up the economy, the private sector, worst case, the state could'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Tinada person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Okay, let's take Detroit as an example.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welfare causes downward pressure on wages'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'raise the minimum wage to $12 an hour.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'how does welfare cause downward pressure on wages?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Is it the fault of the "working poor" that the economy in detroit collapsed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'detroit caused its own problems.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because wages are subsidised by the state, Humbler, as can be amply illustrated by the UK over the last 50 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by putting all their eggs into the auto industry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and especially in the last 20'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'That's not actually true, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'and by that logic so did the usa, torch everything go to anarchy?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Detroit'seconmy collapsed because of global economic pressures.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'two of the detroit suburb factories moved to Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In many ways, "Detroit" solved its problems in the same way manufacturing everywhere did, by replacing humans with machines.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'auto factories that is'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Okay, so did the "working poor" cause the problems in Detroit?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'increased efficiency in manufacturing destroyed somewhere in the vicinity of 2m jobs in the US during the decade leading up to 2008'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'the working poor havent caused problems anywhere afaik'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty soon there will be some good farmland to buy in Detroit.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'detroit collapsed because people in the banking and high end corporate hierarchy were allowed to exploit China'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not sure why anyone is blaming the working poor, that seems a bit unfair'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is blaming the working poor'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you really think service workers spitting in your food is an urban myth, don't you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Okay, so can we agree that the problems in Detroit, and the incredibly high unemployment there were not caused by the people who were unemplyed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly not, fawlty'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'i said *working* hanslanda. if they are not doing their job they arent in the same group'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the people of detroit didnt cause the problem, but the govt leaders of detroit did by not diversifying their economy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the significant structural unemployment was mostly caused by demand changes and by more effective production'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Okay, so why shouldn't society, at large, that has a food surplus, provide those people with food until market forces re-distribute population to places with jobs to be had?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who has a food surplus?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'because it is more effective to provide them with money'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'The USA has a food surplus.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've been importing food for years'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the same thing happened to Texas back in the 80s when the oil industry crumbled, and the real estate industry crashed.....so Texas started to diversify into tech and manufacturing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that way people can make their own (on average more effective) consumption decisions'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'scrolling back into a ongoing issue here on the channel... Did I miss it, or has anyone bothered to point a finger at the lazy, sit-on-their-ass, can't-find-a-job-that-they-LIKE, would rather sit and draw a free check poor?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'plenty of those in the UK, vonliege, not so many in the US, though I bet the numbers are swelling swiftly'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well funny you should mention "Numbers"... what figures have you been using for this debate?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'another issue is can they find the jobs, imagine you start in a society where 70iq is the cutoff point for having a job, then you can have 98% employment, shift that up to 85iq and you can have 85% employment'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the question?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because I see the NUMBERS as being at the core of the issue... the liberals do not count the unemplyed that aren't looking, or that have stopped looking for work'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's true'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your iq is under 85, your best job opp is TSA officer or police'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or democrat senator'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in other news, post-2008 job creation has been concentrated down near the unskilled worker/min wage end of things'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or republican senator.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'senator generally'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neocon republican'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, you ought not count children adn retired people... but I believe you should count EVERY able bodied adault that does not have a job as UNEMPLOYED'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you want to feel fulfilled while still not making anywhere near enough to support yourself, go into healthcare.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, von, though you might want to count "housewife" as a full time job'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'including people who have no desire to seek a job, e.g. housewives, etc.?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'JFK decided that looked bad, Vonliege.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nurses do quite well, so do rad techs, and other techs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'trophy wives? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nonono, only jobs where you are outside your house and get paid with money count, everything else is slacking..'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'trust fund babies?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but you shouldnt have to work 60 + hours a week just to survive.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and because they're so expensive, healthcare agencies are quietly swapping them out for less-collegified models.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i halfway agree, the current figures are massaged, they do the same here in the UK. They also do the same with inflation'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg wage in the US has stagnated since the 1960s.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's gone down, actually'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If your computer is twice as quick and costs 50% more than last year, it's really cheaper, stop whining.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada circles his hands above his head trying to construct a halo.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Washington State increased its min wage and tied it to inflation, and business is still booming.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'gotta factor in the affects of this latest financial crisis.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not an example of the fudge, tinana'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and here's what I think of "Job Creation"... you can't lose 100,000 mid-level jobs, create 80,000 low-level jobs, and say "We created 80,000 jobs!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people in idaho border towns are going to washington to get jobs nearby.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that was admittedly an exaggerated example of hedonic modifications to the cpi'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an example of the fudge would be "A Mercedes SLK55 costs $100,000 in 2011, a Fiat Punto in 2012 costs $20,000 therefore the cost of a car has dropped by $80,000"'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wait a minute... where's the oposition?  noone is defending the left here.  This isn't a debate, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'The left made its point, and walked out of the building to go to a bitchin' party. Sorry, dudes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'People on the left side are busy watching whatever is on TV'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is clearly a ridiculous example, but illustrates the "cheaper brand substitution" method they now use in inflation calculation, combined with the fact that over the last 20 years we've had all these cheap and CRAP imports coming from China means the inflation rate has been held artificially low since 1992'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'There's weed there, and bowls full of food-stamps. We're using them to order pizza.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'food stamps use debit cards now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of which, how much you wanna bet the interest rates go back up once Sky(highhealthcare)Net becomes fully operational?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'normally, I'd stand in just so there could be a debate... but I can't take the left side on this issue... there's just no position to argue from... sorry'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Damn, here i am, a liberal, and i've never had a food-stamp. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need to push banks to provide mortgages to people who can't afford it first, Hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'foodstamps buy pussy now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so that they can take a second swipe at centralising ownership of all the remaining privately held real estate'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'i was in welfare from 1995-1996, about 10 months'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '1950s: people eat steak, 1980s: steak is expensive so people eat minced meat instead, minced meat replaces steak in the CPI, 2010s: minced meat becomes too expensive, so people eat dog food instead, dog food replaces minced meat in the CPI. Look up the BLS pages on the CPI mechanics, and you'll realized that this substitution is perfectly appropriate (although the examples in the text are different)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not appropriate'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dog food isnt good for you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, according to the BLS economists, it is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'said who?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'dog food isn't good for dogs either'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does the BLS stand for "bullshit"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Big Load of Shit'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada claps at Tigernuts's performance.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had me worried there for a minute'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Tinada for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'ive seen pets eat better food and wear designer clothing better than mine'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can even buy a water purifier device for the toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it deliberately factors in degredation of living standards'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's called substitution, not degradation :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole idea of inflation was it was a measure of the cost increase in maintaining a fixed standard of living'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, and of course dog meat isn't degredation comapred to steak'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'tiger... you disappoint me, please cite your sources'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'clearly not, it's .. appropriate substitution of alternative goods'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shadow stats has a series of inflation figures based on the ORIGINAL measure of inflation'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'www.shadowstats.com humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am not against welfare, I am against punishing welfare recipients by reducing thier benefits just because they work to earn more to make their lives better.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'punishing them just keeps them on welfare longer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'is that an unbiased source?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, not unbiased, you just need to understand what it's talking about'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"unbiased source"?  Now THAT'S an urban myth!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I definitely agree with Riz -- you should lose benefits at something like a rate of 1 dollar of benefits lost for every two earned.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that way you are rewarding someone for even working 10 hours a week '
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If I had to guess, I'd say the shadowstats modifications are 3-4x what they should be, but I haven't looked thoroughly into it'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit more complicated than that'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the average yearly effect of substitution, hedonics etc. doesn't seem to be over 1%'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'site also has the other rates of unemployment'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from official sources'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those I am not arguing much with, I was referring to the inflation adjustment'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like that social security disability benefit......the govt requires that you do not work period to get a measly $600 or so per month.....how about you let people earn more money on their own also so that they can have a better life ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do government change inflation measures? to make it lower, makes targets easier to hit, makes benefits and wage rises cheaper to afford, and makes GROWTH look bigger'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now you are limited to an extra $2000 per year in extra income.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in Norway, you can earn about 1/5th of average wages before your disability benefits are reduced'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'many disabled people who get the benefit could do part time work from home, but they are told no.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'whereas if you had someone who earned 4000 and you deducted 1000 off their yearly benefits because of it (4000-2000/2) they are still ahead and the government saves money'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference in inflation rates is some 5%, not 1%'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I understand that the shadowstats claim it is in that area, I just couldn't get it to fit with the BLS reports when I looked through the method etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask an economist'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'preferably one over the age of 65'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that shadowstats etc ... at any rate it is clear enough that for average people in the US, real incomed peaked around the time Nixon turned the dollar into pure fiat'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I can do the math, that is not the problem, BLS gives their estimates, but I didn't see any suitable data sets on shadowstats when I looked into this about two years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the minimum wage in washington state is $9.19 an hour.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you need to subscribe to get the data sets'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'one could of course argue that trusting the BLS is a bit naive, but the alternative would complicate things a bit more than I'd prefer'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2013 has been introduced in the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives. If passed, it would raise the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $10.10 per hour by 2015, and adjust it each year after that to keep up with the rising cost of living.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't trust either, but would certainly lean to Shadowstats because exactly the same thing has happened here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-exactly- the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'meanwhile in Norway, ordinary people are filthy rich compared to 30ys ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and the change was just slow enough that old people can refuse to believe it :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Norway needs to stop being used as a model'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Sweden, then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'norway has what?  5 million people ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto sweden'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Denmark? :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about France.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tiny countries with extremely high resource value'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about the UK, Italy, Spain, Portugal'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't think Denmark has any resources to write home about. Beer, perhaps.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and marijuana, or is that the netherlands ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the netherlands, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I need to visit there....'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'take the chunnel from the UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Weed comes from the US.  It's carefully cultivated in national parks (and now you know why there's so much federal land).'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the model parts of the scandinavian countries isn't the wealth as such, more the relatively flat wage structure etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only the cartels use the national parks to grow weed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and, curiously, in many areas we have freer markets than the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone use uses their homes and land.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'denmark is another tiny country with considerable natural resource value'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wouldnt surprise me if Portugal had billions of barrels of oil and trillions of cf of natgas off its shores.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder how much oil and gas there is in the deep deep ocean which is not accessible right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'ALOT'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Just an issue of getting to it'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'modern oil rigs can go down 1 mile of water, plus another 1.5 miles of rock'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'once we get all the glaciers melted, we can start on evaporating the oceans... it's only a matter of time, then.  WE'LL get that oil!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course those modern rigs cost $1-5 billion each.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least they can be registered on the marshall islands to reduce maintenance costs somewhat'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or we can use the seawater to producer power.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cold fusion ftw!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fossilized bone ores for sale, 400k each.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'there appear to be a number of cold fusion patents, so clearly it must work'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course it does!'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'didnt you see the film, The Saint ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'My knowledge of physics only barely exceeds that of a dead rat or average high school student, so I couldn't say whether those methods work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'cavorting in the snow outside'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oops, mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cold fusion doesn't currently work, but that doesn't mean that patented methods for specifically what the patent covers doesn't work...'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'during summer we have a southern side instead'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada bonks himself and grimaces in pain.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'where does the southern side go in the winter?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it goes to the northern side, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'could be like the super-HDL patent that Pfizer bought and probably hid in a dark cellar so as not to interfere with Lipitor sales'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, if all the ice on Antarctica and Greenland melted, it is estimated that the oceans would rise by about 230 feet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my hometown would be underwater, but my old house would be on a new island with the high school.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, the new New Orealsn seawall and gate system that is 8 miles from the city is going to cost $15 billion, and it is 1/3rd done.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Orleans even.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it would protect the city from a katrina size storm in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they hope...whenever we get cocky enough to declare that we've accounted for/tamed mother nature, she shows what she's really capable of'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they just discovered what is being called "dark lightning" - gamma and x ray radiation releases in thunderstorms which, if it hit you, would give you a life-long dose of radiation'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so you're just about right'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'If I stopped to think how frail we are, I'd go under my bed and never leave :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'We're actually a part of nature. That makes us as strong as nature. ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Anyhow, there might be spiders under your bed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, so it's an ant, which we, as part of nature, step on without much thought :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'ants are awesome.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i saw this awesome video this ant scientist made one time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'one of the reasons which I believe that, sadly, space travel is going to be not on the scale that we dream about.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, that and the inability to go faster than light ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'ants release this scent when they die, and the other ants take them and put them on the 'dead ant pile''
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'anyway, if you brush the scent on a live ant, the other ants will put the live ant on the dead ant pile.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even if we could, if you we get our butts kicked in a medium which designed us, what is going to happen when we enter a medium we were not meant to thrive in?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the live ant will walk off the pile, and they'll put him on the pile again. it's amazingly hilarious to watch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Fawlty, I've smelled it. It's just a whiff of formic acid :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i think that's probably just what we can smell, our noses suck.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'by the time we conquer space we'll be creatures of pure thought. distance will ve irrelevant.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'and though can move at the speed of light because it has no mass.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'thought even.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, in English "ant" just  means ant. But in romace languages, the name for ant is derived from the name for formic acid. "Hormiga" in Spanish for instance. Formic acid is the reason why toddlers appear to eat dirt, they are eating ants instead for the acid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Holy moly, that's a cool fact.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, in 2100+ the largest employers in the world will be businesses or govts that are building seawalls and sea gates to keep out the rising ocean levels.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Come on Abel, you know pretty much everything. What does the future hole for homo sapiens?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '6 x 3 x 6 cubic-foot hole :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Beowulf defeated the ocean, and he was just one dude. Surely, we can all do it together.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, but Beowulf is an urban legend :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or what passed for urban in those days :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Lol, just legend. :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty cuddles SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, lik Paul Banyan. It is likely that the man existed, but it is very doubtful he performed the deeds attributed to him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'You mean he didn't really own a totally tame forty foot tall blue ox?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I've seen that stuff in the MUD so it must be real.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'something like that :) Though he might have owned an ox :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'oh! since you're an entimologist (antimologist?) i've got a fun fact for you:'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Beowulf is probably derived from a Germanic pair of words for "Bear"... a Bee wolf. A wolf that eats bees.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, actually that makes sense.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'It totally does! :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Beowulf was Saxon, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Its generally considered to be the first written literary work in english, if memory serves, yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'but is likely based on older germanic legends.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that is the claim.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'w00t! 15-year study sez Bras don't help prevent sagging or back issues long-term'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'burn 'em, ladies'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think the best thing about bras is taking them off :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Women who did not wear bras had a 7 millimeter lift as measured from their nipples each year. Their breasts were also firmer, and their stretch marks faded.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and they were more accessible :> '
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fuck sagging and back issues, I don't want to deal with the painful bouncing when I'm moving.'
T3/r7/2013-04-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can always help. I have supporting hands...'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all the known oil reserves in the world have a current value of $180 trillion......we can't afford it. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love a methanol fueled fuel cell vehicle......so much cheaper then oil/gasoline.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or even a methanol fueled ICE vehicle.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Tesla motors had to pay a $200,000 fine to the EPA because it didnt have an emissions certificate showing its rate of emissions......the damn car is ALL ELECTRIC!, they couldnt find the emissions pipe on the car, so it was never tested!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fine was for failing to get the certificate.... they failed, so they have to pay a fine.  The certificate would have been a mere formality had they bothered to apply for it.  Consider that even if you don't OWE taxes, but earned income, you still have to file your taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yeah, but you can see how they might forget it'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh sure... it still makes a "what the hell" statement.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sort of like our university makes all student clubs submit a 'monthly report' even if they didn't practice that month :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, meet'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at some point, bureaucracy needs to have a standard to which all parties are held.  If you start considering EVERYTHING on a case by case basis, the cost and size of the bureaucracy neccessary to administer things would explode to phenominaly huge size.  This is why we have so many "thats obsurd" issues.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the trap is that often bureaucrats use bureaucracy as an excuse to flush common sense.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the problem is differnet, I think. Once a bureaucracy is in place it's hard to remove'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'often if you ask people "what are you going to do with this data that you are collecting"'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'they have no clear idea, even if there was a good purpose at one point'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'uh huh... feeding the machine'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tbh, riz, if you're reading that in a new story then it's 100% tesla's fault...they were fined $275k a couple years ago for not having the certificate of conformity for 2009, despite having it for 2008...not filling out the paperwork yet again is really stupid'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, a speaker at the TED conference mentioned it in his speech.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ahh, so he was merely twisting facts to pretend that he had a point to make'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's what everyone does.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if we ignored every twisted, spun, trumped-up statement that ever came out of washington or industry, it would be a quiet world indeed'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc wouldn't mind that type of peace and quiet :-)
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'abe you know there is a place with that type of peace and quiet'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, not with all the amenities there isn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'man you ruined my line '
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'hrumph'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I might still find the punchline funny'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You punch him playfully.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'was that funny?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. .it hurt =('
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ok not as funny no but "In a Cemetery"'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what is a lyceum'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, homemade beef jerky'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'homeade jerky is often crap.. most people don't know what the hell their doing, but their SOOOO proud of it, and you have to smile while you destroy your teeth and jaws on it.... or they soak it in liquid-fire-death-pepper-sauce which makes it doubly inedible.  I'm not very good at it.  has to have precise tempurature control to get rid ofthe moisture while retaining some small bit of chewability... I'll take my jerky in a mylar pouch with chemicals that are sure to keep it fresh for 10 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'imo chinese barbequed pork is way better'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .that's pretty good...  bulgogi for the beef eaters, or anything like that is good... usually really sweet - which I like'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'bulgogi is korean'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you should try looking for ba kwa'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but when you say "Jerky", I think that comes with a certain expectaion of "ready-to-eat" preserved food.  Has to have a shelflife.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakkwa'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'bakwa is ready to eat and generally lasts several months if stored properly'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, aprox 313 years ago a megathrust earthquake took place on the cascadia subduction zone...it was around 8.5 to 9.2 in strength, and created a powerful tsunami that hit 4 locations in Japan, and the coast of washington and oregon state.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was there... it was only about 7.1'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'nobody in Oregon or Washington noticed because they hadn't had their starbucks yet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or they didn't care 'cause they were baked'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the new bird flu in China has infected 43 people, and 11 have died....some of the survivors have brain and organ damage.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were to affect the UK, nobody would know any different'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... HA!  I get that... really... hahah'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is currently working on a vaccine for this new bird flu, so everyone can be assured, we will save you!  :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Is the death tool over 30 now'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '11, but quite a few of the survivors have brain and organ damage.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the cereal industry is amazing......name another industry where you take 25 cents of cereal and sell it for $3 a box ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'coca cola'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: '4cents of coke in a can for a buck'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'restaurants sell you 3cents in a refillable cup for $2.79'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'at least when you buy the can, you get a can with it to keep!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'can costs more than the coke'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but soda sales are dropping, while cereal sales are growing.  I guess the soda makers need to add vitamins to its product. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'also, they need to pay the guy to put it in the can... and they need to pay for the energy for the assembly line...'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'now if they threw coke into the coke... sales would go through the roof!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cereal makers added vitamins and minerals, and BAM, the industry started growing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i've heard they used to do that, but it might be an urban legend.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'used to be one of the residual ingredients from the products they made the drink from.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'they didn't refine the coke first... just used the plants.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'hence the name coke I think'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'but not an urban legend... just a practice that ended a looooong time ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'think coca cola was originaly a medicine drink at soda shop/pharmacies a long time ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'snopes.com'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i've also heard that the reason "lucky strike" cigarettes are called lucky strikes is because 1 of the cigarettes used to by a marijuana cigarette... know if that's true?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'coca-cola was named back in 1885 for its two "medicinal" ingredients: extract of coca leaves and kola nuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: '5 oz of coca leaf per gallon of syrup...'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i've also heard that a lot of factories used to serve coca-cola to their employees at lunch time because it was addictive (forced them to return to work) and increased productivity... also might not be true.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'cocaine wasn't illegal until 1914'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'coke changed the recipe 11 years prior to that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) V4 or Bust Xyzzy: 'coca-cola is still flavored with a non-narcotic extract of the coca leave.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in 1907, you could buy a bushel of corn for 75 cents, and turn it into $13 worth of corn flakes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now, corn per bushel is $7.22 thanks to ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, love those corn flakes with honey.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha, tests done in the 60s showed that rats that ate the cereal box were healthier then the rats who ate the cereal inside the box.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so vitamins and minerals were added to cereal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'With inflation, I bet $7.22 today is less than 75 cents was in 1907.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Still, it's good if corn is expensive, maybe it will make people eat real food instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if more people ate real food, the price of the real food would skyrocket. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthcare costs would reduce thoug'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe so :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'maybe, but also maybe more would produce it or at least try to produce something close to it'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As long as most people just care about price of food, we get to keep the real food to ourselves.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still enjoy regular corn flakes with honey though....and raw milk to boot.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was kinda annoyed when I found out that the honey that honey oat cherrios contains chinese honey......'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or honey nut cherrios, whatever it is called.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'bees don't recognize national boundaries.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Honey Nut Cheerios yummy'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chinese honey was tested to be mostly corn syrup.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'by who, where?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmm Corn Syrup Cheerios mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Corn syrup is the devils food. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chinese honey also doesnt help protect you against pollen in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is better to eat honey from your own area to help build resistance.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'my favorite chinese food production story is the tea factory that was using steam rollers to dry their tea leaves by rolling over them in the factory parking lot over, and over again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'then, the tea had INSANE levels of tar in it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no shit'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately, except for herbal tea, tea doesnt matter where it is grown, honey matters.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'it matters if it's got tar in it, though :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'the factory got shut down, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my lipton tea is made in the US, and West Africa.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lipton actually owns tea plantations in the US....south carolina I think.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'my tea is made in ... oh wait i dont drink tea'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love iced tea.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with fresh lemon from a lemontree.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I actually own my own plantation filled with bees'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in china'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And horny toads.  I use the horny toads for horny toad milk, and yes, they are mammals on my plantation'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I'm drinking lapsang souchong'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i am drinking Iron brew'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ever have weetabix? '
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'if you are talking about the South African cereal then yes if not no'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is british actually, but yes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'in SA its line is "Pure wheat only nicer to eat"'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was thinking this morning as i drove to work how much i hated the fact that the UK was overpopulated, how it meant being crowded together in rabbit hutches crushed together ontop of other people in other rabbit hutches'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'the world is overpopulated... take your share you imperialist brit :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world is not overpopulated, not really'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is plenty of land out there, we just use it badly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'sure it is.. or feel free to live in sahara or siberia'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people do not want to live on the high plains, or grasslands.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'or desert/tundra :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we should fill siberia with housing and use the agricultural land for food production :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 100 years, Canada and Siberia will be the breadbaskets of the world....not the US :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'siberia is mostly frozen year-round, so growing stuff will be quite a task'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should reform all the deserts, like what the arabs are doing'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I doubt the US will step aside that easily.....warmer temp resistant grains are being developed now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, all they need to do is stem immigration and stop paying people to breed, population will fall naturally'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'grains have always been developed to cope with climate changes, we're just better at it now'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'warmer climate won't do anything to help with the overpopulation problem though'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'overpopulation is a myth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'according to Harry Reid, the Aurora shooter used 'a 100 clip magazine''
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 200 years if we survive global climate change, it wont matter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'and decreasing food and water supplies is a hoax? people starving to death in africa is a mirage? :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'overpopulation isn't a myth, it's just regional'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people starving to death in Africa is about politics and logistics, nothing more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'rizgoth, global demand for water outpacing supply in the next few decades?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'population in several areas of africa, especially the poorest countries, is kept artificially high due to western humanitary aid'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We send aid to Africa, african dictator takes the money and deposits it into the bank of england, then retires to portugal once another dictator overthrows him while he is vacationing in france.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Africa has one of the largest underground water sources in the world, they just need better ways to tap it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'that's the monetary aid, but organizations like red cross etc. are actually there helping people to survive starvation and disease'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is estimated that the African aquifer is at least 3x the size of the US ogallala aquifer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'So no water shortages, ever? We can just keep mulriplying perpetually? what a relief.  ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cheap work force.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go move to Africa and dig some water wells.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Just like the early 1800's?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'the water rush :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You guys better get to terraforming Mars, we are going to need the space!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Is there water on Mars?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about we just stop having huge families and reduce the population gradually over time - this looks like it'll happen anyway, the population is set to peak at 9-12 billion by 2050'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mars has an atmosphere with water vapor and a northern ice cap according to photos'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'optimal population of the earth is 1-2bil'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not much water vapor, but enough to extract it'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'there is frozen water on mars apparently'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I heard that the martian icecap might be made of methane or something.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'can always redirect comets to mars also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'How do we re-direct comets?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'i don't think mars is cold enough for frozen methane'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, mars is pretty warm'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it does have seasons'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'with huge pingpong rackets :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can we redirect a comet to strike DC?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'isn't earth the only planet in our solar system with the tilt that provides the seasons?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We need to go sea what is under the ice on Europa.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'see even'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'other than water?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'According to the internet you're totally right. It's not methane, it's about 2/3 of greenlands H2O icecaps, with a good supply of frozen CO2.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you might be thinking the moon Titan of Saturn though.....methane atmosphere, with frozen methane at surface, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'terraforming mars isn't something we have the tech to do yet anyway, broken planets are hard to mend :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the polar regions of Titan have methane ice.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'still some scientists believe that life forms from earth (extremophiles) could survive there'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am an extremophile.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nobody believes anything I see, jeez.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rndrp-lRuQM&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'listen how fucking fast the interviewer pulls the plug when Ted asks her to agree that Eric Holder needs arresting for his part in gun trafficking'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol that's awesome'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Need more youtube videos on this channel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i try to only post short ones'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'debates online are already too littered with youtube links'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'useful repositary of video sources'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Meh, but here it just gets boring reading the same tired debates everyday'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'you make it sound as if youtube is not a certified scholarly resource'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel laughs out loud at GraySong Gregor.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too many demands for sources for essentially ideological arguments'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'fancy clipping, catchy music, and clever narrative should never trump good arguments'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'fancy clipping, catchy music, and clever narrative should never trump good arguments'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'oops :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult to argue ideology, sometimes you just have to agree to disagree'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'my point is that people get convinced by good video instead of the actual arguments'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My point is that there are plenty of good arguments here and not enough video.  It's nice to see silly reactions like Tigernuts just showed'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, it's not the message you care about, it's who's delivering it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you debate someting ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I do care about the message.  It would just be nice to see a video instead of the same three or five people every day.  Yargh'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is glad she purchased a flamesuit for 3tps.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'it is the message, but it's being obscured by catchy music, creative clipping, and professional actors doing the narrative'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'with some funding you could make a youtube flic that would convince some people the earth is flat :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what is the issue of the day?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am thinking about aborting my baby.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'has he turned 7 years yet?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'She is 1.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'then you have to wait until she's 18 so she can give her concent'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'or was it 81?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or put her in the special baby mailbox at the hospital.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'maybe you should just freeze her so you'll have time to think about it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'thawing should be no problem in a few years... maybe'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty sick thing to joke about'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, that won't work.  She'd have to decapitate her first.  It's not that cool being like Ted.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'everything can be joked about imo. just not in all settings'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'This is true.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I decapitated my baby.  But she just replicated and now I have twins.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'you worm you!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If I keep doing it, I can get under the poverty line and get free moneys.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you know that reality-show moms aren't all that popular thanks to Octomom and Kate Duggar, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'wouldn't you just have more indivuduals to divide your income on?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I can get them to work on my Asian Honey Plantation.  They can milk my horny toad mammal hybrids.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'i have never heard of 0ctomom or Kate Duggar... i still hate reality shows'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: '*_*'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What kind of face is that, Sir Fawlty?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'i can see stars in your eyes Fawlty!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'that's my brains exploding out of my eyeballs trying to understand what you just said.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My Aura of Amazing does that to people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'how hard can it be? he has mammal toads that need milking :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Octomom was the lady who lived on welfare and shot up fertility drugs like heroin, then got OMG-freaked out when she ended up pregnant with octets (twins times four) she couldn't care for.  She conned a TV exec into getting her a reality show, and then when she got the money she made a porno full of risque poses where she doesn't even show her butt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am a she, Knave Begalad!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Though my name sounds particularly... hairy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I mean, seriously, I seen more skin in baby pictures.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'my apologies mylady'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol Hanslanda.  Sounds like a winner.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I will marry her and make more hybrids with her.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'how is it a porno then? :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'damn good adman?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's a porno if there's a camera.  No camera and paid sex: prostitution.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'omg.. what if the camera breaks during filming? instant prostitution?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, it becomes an outtake or blooper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'the ultra short way from actress to whore :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which one depends on whether there were other camaras in the room or not.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyone watching Fox news today?  what the hell is the deal with the border?  where the hell is the border patrol?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'which border? are you in fear of canadian invasion?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'They've got the blue pneumonia'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The border patrol is playing Aardwolf atm'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'northern border, white walkers, must build wall'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we fell to the canadians along time ago (Shhhhhh)...  it's the southern border that is on the News'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'no wall will hold them back :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What happened, Vonliege?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in a mad dash to fill the security gap, the feds accidentally ended up hiring coyotes as replacements.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'how strange.. nothing about that on norwegian public tv'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... truth is... it was probobly just a slow news day... basic run of the mill rhetoric about how we can't secure the border... I knew you were about, so threw out the bone'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'When I was at the Academy, the FBI in black SUVs came and took a trainee away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Made me *facepalm'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, promotion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lot's of dirty agents got hired in that mad push in 2008.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'norway shares a border with canada, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Punisher Bregalad.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'yes... the atlantic ocean :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Punisher Bregalad tickles Tinada.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel shares a border with a goat farmer.
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'about 350 miles of border, to be precise'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so you're the fellow that watches our tv channel, I was wondering about that'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'i have my own satelite just for that purpose'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is Norwegian TV their response to Air America?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or, since you're in europe... about 580 kilometers'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'not in the norwegian mainland :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. one of your colonys'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I actually formed my own colony just three days ago in Snooky's Pub'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The Mus Colonies.  The mice are rebelling'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'ah, our countless colonys.. the norwegian empire is incomprehensibly large :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're obviously not rising to the bait, so I will just tell you the border I'm refering to is Minnesota and Canada'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The Northern Border Patrol are a bunch of old fat men waiting out retirement.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'that piece of land was never officially norwegian though :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly the only place in the world that flies more norwiegian flags than norway'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They did an experiment to send trainees fresh from the Academy to the northern border with no southern border experience.... that was an experiment that failed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you southies in regular contact with the northerners, or do you all kinda operate like the east/west holy roman empires of yore?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'there was an attempt to make part of minnesota part of norway a couple of hundred years ago, but for some reason it never happened :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Like the latter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when I was growing up, we were about 90% Norsk, 5% swedish, 2% german, and the rest polish, finish or dutch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then, when you got to a sufficient age, Mom and Dad finally told you the truth? :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and all no more than second or maybe third generation.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'norwegians came to america too late and were stuck with land in minnesota :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Damn shame, Bregalad, daaaamn shame.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'i actually have a bunch of relatives in that area.. minnesota, st. paul'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'it's better than getting here tens of thousands of years ago, and being stuck with land in oklahoma, tho.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Haha'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's been pretty well diluted now... what with all the liberalism in Minnesota... people see the election results and say "hey!  let's move to minnesota and raise goats!  they're REAL progressives there"... then when they get here, the discover that all the liberals live in Minneapolis, and that out side the city, there is nothing but gun wielding norwiegians'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'being a native never paid off :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'have the liberals never heard of Vikings?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'which is bad for europe atm, while it's being invaded from africa and asia'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't norwegians lock themselves indoors in october and spend the entire winter drinking, eating, and having sex with their daughters?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually... the imegrants CHOSE minnesota... there was still plent of land to be had in nebraska, oklahoma, kansas... they just really liked the climate... shich sucked just as much as it did in the homeland'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'we lock ourselves indoors and EAT our sons and daughters. don't you people learn anything in school anymore?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when a man takes a piss outside in January... his pecker should get a little cold!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You are thinking about the 1950s, Bregalad? US schools don't do this "learning" stuff anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'it freezes before it hits the ground, and before your done your pecker is frozen as well.. no sane person does that :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno but I been told, Eskimo pussy's mighty cold.  Could be the guy just needs to get acclimated first.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eskimo pussy is rotten, no?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'there was still some learning in schools back in the 80s Tinada, as far as i can remember'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably, the men make their women strip and hop into bed with guests as a show of greeting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Punisher Bregalad: 'or a way of speading their genome around. it's not so long since we suddenly turned our backs on nature'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder when the price of seafood starts skyrocketing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we may have to research a fish replacement......how about algae!?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My horny toad mammal hybrids secrete a milk that naturally grows a mold that evolves into dinofish in about three weeks'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need more sustainable fisheries.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'using food crops or land that was used to grow food crops to make biofuel is just stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, there are about 450 sheep per person in New Zealand.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'India went from receiving food aid 50 years ago, to producing the food it needs, thanks to r/d on gmo grains.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the green revolution in India changed everything....they decided to change how they grew food.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 1965, an Indian farmer could grow enough food on 2.5 acres to feed 12 people.  By 2007, the same farmer could produce enough food to feed 37 people on 2.5 acres of land.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'meanwhile, the population grew by a tenth :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately it is unsustainable....they are using all their water resources at a quick rate....it is expected that they will run out of water resources in the punjab region in 15 years unless they become more efficient in using the water resources to grow the food.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't they just wait for the next monsoon?'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They pump water from a huge aquifer under the punjab region.'
T3/r7/2013-04-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, it WAS huge 40 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm awake and i resign!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom summouns the debaters
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel turns Grissom into space dust.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom will debate what noegel did
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never seen Noegel debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom says that noegel is too sensitive to take the pressure
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I've never seen anyone debate here, it's all via text :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts groans at the sight of SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows who gave North Korea nuclear reactor technology and parts in the first place?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Russia, who else?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Iran? '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Michigan?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'USA or UK?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'before the Korean war?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, 1990s'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'afaik they never had magnox-style reactors from the 50s'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the one they're re-opening is a US design'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spearheaded by your old friend Donald Rumsfeld'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(spearheaded the supply, not the design, clearly)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'your source is "Alex Jones", though.. so be sure to wear a tin hat as you sift through it... not saying there isn't truth to it, but it's spinning faster than a cheap whore on a dance pole.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technology giant ABB won the deal tos upply North Korea with 2 nuclear power plants'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1994'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/archive/Rumsfeld_was_on_ABB_board_during_deal_with_North_Korea.html?cid=3176922'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'swiss firm, swiss news site, the source was the firm themselves'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'N.Korea had nuke plants befor we gave them anything in 1994'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that worked out okay for NK -- NK used the technology to produce nuclear weapons -- but did Rumsfeld get a noble peace prize yet'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is the current generation being used, vl'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the US is not the correct answer to your original question: [13 Apr 05:07:31] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'who knows who gave North Korea nuclear reactor technology and parts in the first place?''
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you asked "... in the first place?"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that some of the noble peace prizes are given out for "intent" and are later shown to be horrid incompetent decisions'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the mis-guided intent was that we would give them "peaceful" reactors in 1994'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The company itself is multinational based in Switzerland, formed out of Sweden and Switzerland, but the consortium that contracted them were Ameriacn, Japanese, South Korean and EU'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so yes, to say it was the USA is a simplfication, "The West", or "NATO stake holder" would be a more precise answer'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though to be fair, whenever i refer to USA, I don't really mean the USA as it used to exist or as refers to it's population, I refer to the military industrial complex and banking cartel management arm that runs it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but again... that was not n.Koreas first  reactor'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the reactor series that generated the fissile material that have been used in their missile tests from then on'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but again (x3)... that was not n.Koreas first reactor'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their first nuclear weapons test only started in 2006, so it is entirely fair to say that THESE reactors were the source of the fissile material that has been causing all the tensions'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your point is therefore not relevent'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade notes that "it's" does not specify which series, -- Tigernuts is doing a "Chemosh" style obfuscation
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the answer to your original question IS NOT the US (or it's allies) '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade notes that "THESE" does not specify which series, -- Tigernuts is further obfuscating
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the russian reactors don't produce plutonium, either, so again, fail'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in 2010 the koreans staretd developing home grown light water reactors'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Tigerballs.... your original question didn't ask who gave them the ability to refine plutonium... it asked "who knows who gave North Korea nuclear reactor technology and parts in the first place?''
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, vl, i should have tied the context to the current crisis, which i assumed peopel would be sensible enough to do themselves'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my fault ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Thankyou...  now I can say "giving them a 'peaceful' reactor was supremely STUPID!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the russians were doing loads with them in the 80s, but was largely a partnership - they still had control then'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'so were the Russians first?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Tigernuts too censored to venture explicitly the exact name of the suppliers of the reactors which eventually produced the raw materials for the NK nuclear weapons (without resorting to obscure pronouns)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ooh, I was right :-) '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FIRST first, nogs'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, USSR, technically'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a partnership rather than a sale'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which was why when the Soviet regime collapsed in 1991, the partnership ended, and the plants were mothballed/decomissioned'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'more like "Hey N.Korea... let us field test our reactor over there.. free electricity!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically, vonliege, they were interested in training up North Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really wasn't a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Tigernuts obfuscation permited Vost to attempt to blame the parties that were likely not responsible for actually enabling the NK to obtain nuclear weapons'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'buh?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just ignore him, Vost'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers to blame Rumsfeld
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does remind me of Iraq - How do we know they have these weapons? Because we sold them to them. Woops, i mean, Ahem'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I didn't know that I was attempting to blame the parties that were likely not responsible'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers to blame the Republicans
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was the fault of the same people who are always to blame for this, the military industrial complex and banking cartels - follow the MONEY'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'blame the UK ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those elements control the UK too, yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only the Chinese could absorb North Korea and not have it cause immense financial damage'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do you propose we do about it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leave them alone'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pull US troops out of Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's not up to me(us)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do you propse WE do about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'us? change our government'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the audience demands actual "names" -- not a McCarthy-look-alike waving a pronoun-riddled piece of mostly-blank paper stating "on this paper are the names of those responsible" (the "names" were "these" "those" "their" "they" "them" ...)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thankyou, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and how do we change our government?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'revolt?  assasination?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'by writing paranoid rants on aard debate channel. duh'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'letter wirting campaigns?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'support candidates that would follow a different foreign policy path'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there we are!  well said'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and ignoring Dagnir ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not enough to "swing the hammer".. you have to have a NAIL that you can hit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if this debate channel is an example of "debate", "you" are not going to do anything effective'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talking about it a start'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sharing information is good, especially since so many people wouldn't even know where North Korea is, let alone what led to what's happening now'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are YOU going to do, Zade, other than criticise?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if (in the past) ABB and western nations did not supply any reactors to NK, is NK likely to be without nuclear weapons these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'probably'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Now that is a good idea...Aquaponics......growing fish for food, and the waste that is produced by the fish feeds the vegetables grown which are also sold for food, and any leftovers are made into fertilizer for farms which makes more money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would say "yes... probobly", BUT, they would have had to maintain MUCH friendlier alliances with others to do so, and thus, we would be in an entirely different situation right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as it stands, Chinia is dumping butt-tons of food and aid into  N.Korea.. they are likely NOT supplying them with war materials (or very much, anyway)...  N.Korea feels it has come by its nuclear capability independently (regardles of reality), so it doesn't feel inclined to give anyone else a say-so in how they use it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aquaponics is likely to turn into a bad-farming technique, since the greedy (mental-retards) in charge of Agriculture business are likely to downplay and not supply the rare minerals that soil supplies, leading to foods that are nutrition deficient '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'these days, i avoid hydroponic-grown (hot-house?) vegetables, as those vegetables are likely o ne deficient in rare-minerals which the human-organism does require to stay healthy'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'hydroponics is not the same as hot-house'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not pay extra for that which is deficient in nutrition'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I grow what I can, buy what I can't, and take vitamins in between'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but all hydroponics is usually hot-house -- and recently the hothouse tomatoes look slightly sick compared to soil-grown local-farm tomatoes'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'done properly, aquaponics is great'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Centrum" (and most other vitamin-mineral copycat suppliers) dropped the Vanadium from the mineral list'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no idea, unless Vanadium is a "strategic" mineral used in strategic alloys'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cost, possibly?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a key element of S30V Stainless steel... very good stuff, and used widely in high end knives and medical equipment'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly a supply issue, China cornered the market on rare earth minerals/metals a few years back and banned exports, only more recently have non-chinese sources come online and are still small in number'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"done properly" disappears when there is a greedy profit motive'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then do it yourself, zade, and encourage others to do the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be playing with aquaponics when i move somewhere that has the space'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, Yogurt has a profit margin of 10-15% for manufacturers....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and yet, Yogurt seems overpriced  in supermarkets'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the profit margin on "milk" (which i avoid buying, since "milk" is a horrid overpriced food usually)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yogurt is well marketed, and appeals to a wide range of consumers who will pay.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to say it is "over priced" would be of questionable, since people generally stop buying when somehting is "over priced"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the fools also buy bottled tap water'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, milk is one of the most subsidized foods in the world, it would be much more expensive otherwise.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again.. marketing can be an insidious thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bottled tap water is "overpriced" -- but if there are fools that insist of bottled tap water - ycch'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'milk is also considered a loss leader at most grocery stores....they lower the price of milk hoping that you buy more expensive stuff such as boxed cereal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"milk" does not last long -- goes bad rapidly -- yogurt lasts far longer '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider that in many places, the "bottled tap water" is better than the "local tap water", there is room for a marketing "cleave"... that is to say, a series of well places "suggestions" can REALLY sell the water'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the bottled water suppliers sabotaging the local water, - if so, that is terrorism, especially with those "suggestions" to instill terror in the water consumer'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think the HAVE to sabatage alot of the local water.. it's just isn't that good... or tastes bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or has addatives like clorine and florine'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'clean water is a REAL marvel when you consider the extent of supplying it to virtually EVERY home in most of the developed world... '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the sabotage may be occuring at the municipal or state or federal level -- where "bribes" prevent the actual tap water from being improved'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tap water, even it is less than PERFECT, is still VERY useable... it might kill you in 100 years, but my guess is that something else will get you first.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"additives"  "chlorine" != "Clorax" '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's better than that, local authorities pay millions a year to chemical companies to enable those same chemical companies to dump toxic waste products into the water supply'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't get any more bizarre than th at'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've drank PLENTY of clorax in my day.. we used to drop an entire gallon into a 500 gallon water buffalo to "purify" it.. took a bit of butt-squirting to adjust.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think those toxins are dumped directly into the water supply.. they may find their way there, but the only way to get 100% pure water is to invent a time machine, or take civilization back to the pre-stone age... oh, and figure out a way to make EVERYTHING stop crapping.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, they are not dumping pure toxic waste into the waters, it is 'cleaned' or near clean toxic water.  It is illegal to dump untreated waste into water in Texas, and the Texas water authority tests all water sources 4x a year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "cholera" epidemics were in the "past" '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we drive cars, we spray our hair, we enjoy modern medicine, we drink pop, we turn on the lights, we use cell phones....  we pollute.... so we put up with a few nitrates in our drinking water'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Riz, if you have guys putting sodium hexofluroide, or hydrofluororicilic acid in the supply, then technically that -is- toxic waste'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'albeit at levels that aren't fatal'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of the water pollution comes from land runoff'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'flouride is good in city water, but not all water sources have flouride added....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flouride in water isn't necessary, period'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure it is, it has reduce the amount of cavities in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fluoride only reduces cavities if applied topically, so it would be fairer to say "fluoridated TOOTHpaste reduces cavities in the US"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rare minerals in the diet prevent tooth decay'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all natural source water has fluoride in it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'naturally occuring, yes, not in the form of pollutants'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Shortbus Stutz has diamonds in his grill.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'vitamin D, Ca, Mg, plus rare minerals in the diet, (with sufficient vitamins), prevent tooth decay'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of health, fluorine is a substitute for Iodine, so provided you get Iodine in your diet, you do not need fluorine'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how do you drink water without getting it on your teeth?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with you mudders on the internet in your parent's basement, you are getting plently of Iodine -- (the radioactive kind from Radon decay)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, yogurt.....all you need is yogurt...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a pharmacist stated that the ingested flouride is what (allegedly) hardens the teeth enamel (from the inside of the tooth(s))'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bifidus regularus'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'advertising hype'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yooooogurt'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'add fluoride to all foods.....*nods to self*'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you will eat fluoride!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much flouride in Agent-Orange'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'agent orange is made from wheat ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'FLOURide'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I chew tobaco and eat ho-hos... I have bigger health concerns than trace pollutants in my water.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my uncle loves his copenhagen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, Danon makes yummy yogurt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'until you get sick from a bad batch'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dannon even in the US, Danone in other places.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blasphemy! there are no bad batches of yogurt!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good bacteria kills the bad bacteria, just like in Star Wars.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'good bacteria flood out bad bacteria (allegedly)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad bacteria insist on staying and seek to avoid being flooded out'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'tapeworms help you lose weight.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"tapeworms" were featured on "1001 ways to die"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chewing tobacco isn't so bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far healthier than smoking it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sigmund Freud contracted mouth cancer'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, an amino acid was found in the dust of a comet....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the stuff of life'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'source?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'somewhere out in the cosmos, I would imagine'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no shit'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'figure that out yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the amino acid was more likely from a contaminant introduced by the examination'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is enough ice on mars that if it melted, it would create an ocean covering the whole planet 80 feet deep.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in other science-fiction news ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Rizgoth, are you sure that's accurate? I'm pretty sure i've read that the water ice on Mars constitues some percentage of the ice sheet over greenland, and the rest is CO2 ice.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '... Noah's Ark was spotted on Mars '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mars is an ice cube covered with a layer of dirt.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Really?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, lots and lots of frozen water.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok... but not all the way through, right?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'there are giant machines that can convert it part of it to breathable oxygen. i saw it in a movie.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell me it has a chocolate center... like a tootsie pop!  '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, not all the way through :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it was all the way through, it would have more water then Earth does.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... 'cause it's chocolate in the center... right?  huh?  right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bu where did the dirt come from that decided to collect mysteriously on the surface of the frozen water -- pixies!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously.... other than the off chance that humans might one day plant a flag there... what does it matter?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'space dust, and mars geological rocks'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'suffice to say, Mars has enough resources to build a base there....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Science doesn't always need a direct application. Sometimes it's just to fullfill curiosity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe Mars is a chocolate centre, covered with icecream (the alleged water), and lightly sprinkled with pixie dust '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'getting dust on your ice cream sucks. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think we should spend alot of rescources to go to mars'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, zade is like the church....he causes dark ages in human civilization :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rome's implosion cause the dark ages'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We need bases on the moon and mars if we are going to explore the rest of the solar system.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, we need to go to the moon first, and build a base there.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sending a dozen people to the moon for a couple days is not going to cut it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think we need to figure out some things HERE befor we go THERE'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless scientists are able to explain how a complete dirt covering was deposited on ice -- sounds suspiciously sci-fi or a stale April 1st story'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You cannot wait until we have solved every problem on earth before you start doing scientific research.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't have any issue with dirt on ice... what's so hard to believe about that?  I just don't care.  We have trouble enough to solve here'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all the problems on earth will be solved once we are able to leave it and live elsewhere....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pretty much all comets are ice with dirt on them, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cause then people will realize how precious the Earth is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and then we can have brand new problems... like where our next breath of O2 is coming from'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Rizgoth, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'either that, or they'll nuke earth from space.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If everyone thought like you Von, we would have never left africa.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'creating o2 is just a biological process...you have the necessary components, you can make o2.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that'd be my bet, Fawlty... today, it's east agains west, muslim against christian... tommorow, it will be mars against earth... it's human nature, and all the dirt covered ice balls in the galaxy won't change that'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the necessary components are O ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yep... TWO of 'em, in fact'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so some of you are content to believe in the big-bang model or that some deity created the universe because some scientists sci-fi or religious conjectures turned into official science'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav goes ooOOooOOoo.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's an element...since we don't know of any reliable nuclear reactions resulting in it, it is not created, merely chemically-separated from other elements (chemistry, not biology)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Getting enough oxygen isn't really a problem on earth right now. Or in the foreseeable future.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'much like I hate the people who talk about wasting water...no such thing...if I leave a hose running 24/7, it has zero impact on the amount of water existing...it's wasting energy, in the form of what it takes for water treatment, but not wasting water :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the latest scifi conjecture turning into official science is two parallel universes slowly vibrating into big-bang events when they touch each other'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zade... why don't you share something that is important to you.... so we can PISS on it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, for it to be science, we need empirical data (i.e. experiments).'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'why i don't share: your pissant attitude'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just saying... we debate and discuss... while you just piss on everyting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you want agreeing debates '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just constructive oposition would be nice... instead of 24/7 piss'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you so ANGRY all the time... it concerns me'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, always negative...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's just not healthy... I suppose you don't have to be like that IRL, but still... it's worrysome'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've noticed that some of your opinions are defective, but i declined to comment .. maybe later'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I throw some real debatable stuff out there sometimes, but it's usually not angry... just obsurd.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have a drink... pop a pill... smoke a joint - whatever... then come have a seat at the table, brother!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nova: Finding life beyond Earth is a good documentary made in 2011.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'nothing like inebriation to encourage intellegent discourse in a debate. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will.. ."intelligence" IS of secondary concern here... honestly... we are sitting at a computer typing $hit into a text game.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "official science" views expreseed by science-parrots is almost as intolerant as the religious-nutters of some religions '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is no different then going to the TED conference to listen and partake in that discussions :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is just a different medium that is used.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'If it's just a game, and it doesn't matter why do you care what Zade types?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see there?  "science-parrots" and "relifious-nutters"... all hate and rage and anger... that could have been contributory if you'd just said science and religion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I recognize that there is a real human behind every KB... everyone of them has a view, and opinion...  and some are just full of vitrol.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'and some are inebriated. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just LOVE to argue/debate... but it's no fun if it simply a conduit to hate and rage'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Passion!  certainly... but not hate'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Maybe it's fun for Zade to be full of hate, and rage. Maybe "playing nice" would inhibit his ability to have fun. That's assuming he's full of hate, and rage. I dunno. Just debating about it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a valid point.... '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but IF he is playing at it simply to deny our enjoyment, then it's not playing.. that's real griefing'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and comes back to real hate'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Also a valid point. ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are trolling, Vonliege -- and are likely very hostile to criticism of various views'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'everyone on debate is a troll imo'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see.. there's that "Trolling" word.. .you sling that around often enough to... as if saying "Trolling" is an auto-win....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I'm a weasel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonliege attempts to use sophistry in an attempt to spread hate and dissension -- interesting technique there though'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I sure do get hostile when I'm being critisised... EVERYONE does... but I don't let it spew out like black stomach acid.. I return to the issue and counter what ever it was that set me off.... that's DEBATE'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom grabs some popcorn and sits back to watch the show.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Have you ever read the wikipedia entry on trolling? It's awesome. I learned a lot.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'It seems that it might be a reference to fishing instead of the mythical troll (which i'd always assumed it to be.) Like, trolling a river with nets for fish.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyway... there's some yard work calling for me... I have to have a "debate" with some fire ant as to wether they will be spending the summer in my back yard'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'trawling'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonliege is in "denial" but is very critical and is spewing thinly disguised vitriol'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Twyst: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/trolling   <---- i refer you to the dictionary.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'the fishing term is trawling, not trolling.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Again, i refer you tothe dictionary. There are alternate spellings for the same word here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ad hominem is still a pretty crappy debate style'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fawlty pets ropey twist of a vine.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'but it works 90% of hte time'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you are correct, although that would be reason #290840284298393 that English is a nonsensical language'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'you are also correct, one more reason to love english. :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'English is far suprior to other official planet earth languages'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'superior'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you know them all?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i've got to admit, though, next time i accuse someone of it, i'm going to say, "stop trawling, you trawl!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i'm speaking the language that God decided that i learn fluently -- so the English language is obviously superior '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suggest a few other languages, and may i criticise them'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'oh, do french first!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom hates french
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'wait, i'm on your ignore list. someone else, tell zade to do french.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may -> maybe'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how'd you get on his ignore list? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, you could prolly sell that info, that's valuable'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yep, french is a defective language'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'teach me master!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom boggles at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'not really sure, i said "snooky represents the human spirit" and whammo, ignored.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'English is an amalgamation of quite of few languages'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'french isn't defective, snooky is french and he epitomizes change and humanity'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'old french old german old latin or latin'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'my least favorite thing about failing to learn to speak french was trying to remember the random sex of the items i was talking about.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a big defect of the french language is the blatantly-sexpervert corruption of "possessive" pronouns etecetera (which do not convey as much accurate information as the English possessives)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I will give you that, English doesn't have sex'ed words'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but hominems and alternate spellings are ridiculous and inconsistent rules also'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another defect of the french language is the excessive usage of accents'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'homonyms :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USAmericans don't even bother to get some of the singular plural tenses of verbs to agree with the subject nouns -- they are simplifying the USAmerican english'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst rapidly nods twice at Dispel Majic, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I was waiting for someone to notice :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And no denomination other than the generic "american", which is very weird to me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as for accents -- the USAmericans 'd likely get rid of all the accents were they rewriting the french dictionary'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and all those irregular french conjugation are annoying -- eliminate them to something simpler'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is estimated that the moon Europa has a 60 mile deep salty ocean, which would make that moon have more water then the Earth does.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'English is good in that English is able to be simple and able to communicate'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'English puts the onus on the listener to decipher what you are saying'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'french puts the onus on the not-so-educated listener to misunderstand and not know what was actually said'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'English is far simpler, yet also able to be extremely advanced'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I did not object to the object.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Saturn's rings are mostly water ice.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg meat eating American will eat 15 cows, 24 hogs, 900 chickens, and 12 sheep in his or her lifetime.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plus 1000 lbs of assorted animals such as fish, deer, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since 1909, the amount of animal meat consumed per capita has doubled.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the atkins diet works.....and the japanese diet works......one is low carb, the other is almost all carb......the thing they have the same....both removed most of the sugar from the diet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'love me some sugary japanese fellows'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yikes, in San Antonio, a convenience store has a special....a 60 oz coke or pepsi, a snickers bar, and a grab bag of doritos for $1.29'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sounds like san antonio to me'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'i'd like one diabetus pls'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: '60 oz? ffs'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they should invite bloomberg'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I live in San Antonio... damn yo, where I get that deal at?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's probably in one of those refill cups...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'on the way to the morgue onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel enthusiastically high-fives (Overlord) Onslaught!
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'bah, I have the internal organ constitution of a shark'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seriously though... which convenience store? or you gonna make me google it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I will not contribute to your fattyness!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Onslaught alot of the valeros near the airport hotels have crazy deals going on like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's fine cause I do enough contributing on my own'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ehhh... never mind... I don't go near the airport unless I'm getting on a plane'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I donated 2 bucks to some childrens hospital and they offered me a 64oz drink, a red bull (or 5hour energy) and a bag of beef jerky'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I declined it all except for the 5 hour yummm'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the FDA is thinking of authorizing dairy producers to add aspartame to the milk and not need to put it on the label....if they did that...I would never buy milk in a store again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what the fuck for?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: '^'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, heard it on the news.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'i mean just why?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/omkara/2013/mar/13/aspartame-milk-proposal-sparks-consumer-outrage/'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the offered claim is this would replace sugar in flavored milk drinks.. however the rule itself would allow them to add it to ANY milk drink'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which would probably contribute to a more favored product over non-sweetened milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'because marshmallow cereal just isn't enough I guess'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aspartame flavoured products taste chemical funny '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like splenda, but most companies use too much and it ends up being much too sweet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Rizgoth, I agree with that for sure'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't know why they can't make a decent tasting cola that uses splenda that doesn't taste like poop'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'non one needs milk anyway. it's not even good for us, biologically speaking. Kids certainly don't need it for any sort of nutritional value'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My horny toad-mammalian hybrid milk flopped in this economy :/'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Prior to WWII, the avg american ate 16-20 grams of sugar per day.....1977 that increased to 38 grams per day, in 1994 it went to 54 grams per day, and today it is at 75 grams per day, or about 10% of calories consumed.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'need to define 'good for us', people have been adapting to milk-drinking for a fair amount of time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Damn riz, 16-20 grams is less suagr than in a bottle of coke'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'as in it's meant for cows (cow milk anyway, which is primarily what we're talking about here), not people'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'clearly people who aren't evolved to drink it shouldn't feel compelled to do so and neither should those who don't want to'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, and muscles are meant for an animal to walk around, not for people to eat'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fruits are meant for the plant to spread its seeds, not for people to eat'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'everyone is lactose intolerant to a certain degree. Just because we've adapted to stomach it doesn't mean it's good for us'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aspartame causes a hint to want to puke or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'claiming 'it's not meant for that' is rather ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good milk is good for you....it is a super food for a reason.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, fruit is meant to be eaten'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just buy it from a good dairy co-op that makes cheese like Cabot !'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It is tasty specifically so animals eat it and shit the seeds out elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic enthusiastically high-fives Rizgoth!
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes.. and there is also milk specifically made for humans'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it don't come from cows :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmm human milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'd heard about a human milk based ice cream being made somewhere in Europe'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not sure if they're still producing...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They made some human cheese in france i think, but was outlawed due to health concerns and lack of regulation'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'still doesn't mean it's 'bad for you' -- you sound like a peta advert :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people eating tasty animals peta ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic sniggers at Rizgoth's actions.  Maybe you should REPORT the idjit.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'milk does bad things to the digestive track'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Milk is not anywhere close to being as bad for you as some of the things we consume'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you don't have to take my word for it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ycch - human cows are not renowned for cleanliness -- too many bad habits and vices'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Human cows?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tract -- and for every study you can find saying it's 'bad for you' you can find another saying it's 'good for you''
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nicotine and beer flavored human milk -- no thanks'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'look, good wholesome milk is what made the US the strong country it became......reducing its consumption in favor of soda pop made a lot of people fat, and increased medical costs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well I don't think even the most rabid of anti-milk people would argue you should drink soda instead ... rather that you should drink water instead :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aspartame and plastic bottles likely caused the obesity '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer Coca-cola (preferably in glass bottles, maybe in plastic bottles, never in aluminum cans) to milk'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I don't think there's any single thing that caused obesity to climb.  It was a variety of factors.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you cant get raw milk in your local area though, buy a good cheese.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'e.g. more private car ownership (less walking)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'more automation of tasks which used to be done manually, combined with an increasing move away from jobs which involved manual labor'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'e.g. more automation (more people sitting at desks all day as opposed to physical labor)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haha, jinx'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cheese is a luxury item -- and a cheese addiction is exremely unhealthy'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Majic beat me to it.  :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a cheese addiction is likely to result in bone difficulties'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'But that said, I still think that High Fructos Corn Syrup as opposed to Sugar isn't a good thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'll agree'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in general I prefer to eat things in a less processed form if available -- i.e. roast chicken instead of chicken nuggets.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) In Cide: 'Isnt it pretty mjuch the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mmm, fructose'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'what about eating too many chillis'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm overwieght (by a good 15 pounds) because I SIT and play this computer game too much.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Yeah.  AARDWolf is what's causing obesity!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fructose tastes far better than ordinary sugar'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Monsanto has been trying for years to get the FDA to allow them to change the name from HFCS to Corn Sugar......for some reason people think negatively against HFCS.....:p  And Monsanto has been doing those sugar is sugar commercials on tv and radio....really annoying.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, most people who sit and play here would be sitting and playing elsewhere '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it sure as hell contributes... along with cars, welfare, pop, KFC and probobly the democrats'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'vacuum cleaners'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I remember reading a study once on the manual labor of housewives before electricity versus post'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is HFCS a GMO product ?!?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ever tried using a washboard? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I'll have to disagree on that.  When I do buy Coca-Cola, I always specifically buy Coke bottled in Mexico (because it uses real sugar) as opposed to US bottled Coke (HFCS).'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'lol "and the democrats".  If only we let our poor people starve we could be thin like north korea!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dew throwback :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is the only country that uses HFCS as its sugar for most foods.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'It's a matter of taste, but I much prefer real sugar.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that is because the US govt put price controlls on sugar to make it more expensive then corn syrup.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do the democrats have to do with poor people?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'That is because the US subsidizes corn while restricting sugar imports, so here is the only place where HFCS is cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: '(Curses.  Rizgoth beat me to it)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'table sugar comes with a specific taste, as though there are other chemicals in table sugar (from the manufacturing process)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyway... funny you should mention Mexico and sugar... when I was in SWA, all the pop was sweetened with aspertame... even the non-diet stuff.  A can of regular pop had about 30 cal... they use it because it's CHEAPER there than real sugar OR corn syrup... it sucked, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sugar would be at least 50% cheaper in the US if they allowed more sugar imports from Brazil :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know... it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that taste was not there when i was a child'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lamya HATES aspertame.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know... it's hard to be the fat kid in the room... It's even worse when you're the fat kid of the whole school... Can you IMAGINE being the only FAT KID in an entire Country?.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but sugar is also limited now because of ETHANOL in gasoline blend.....cheap brazilian sugar would undercut american corn growers for ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(maybe they are putting aspartame in table sugar, and not telling the public)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... I'm refering to Kin the younger... the only FAT KID in all of N.Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for many centuries fatness was a sign of wealth :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '^Kim, that is'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now it's a sign of poverty'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Believe me, I would be able to tell.  I am ALWAYS able to tell when someone gives me a diet soft drink and claims it's regular.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps the NK like their deities to look fat like cherubs'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'little buddahs....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course.. there ARE no dieties in communist NK.. but your point is taken'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You almost never hear about cellulosic ethanol anymore.....the corn growers have taken over.....even though cellulosic ethanol would be 20x more efficient.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'Buddah isn't a diety.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is he worshiped?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even though cellulosic ethanol would allow corn growers to have two crops with the corn.....sell the corn for food, and sell the stalks to make ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'emulated rather than worshipped, i'd say.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'In some ways, the Queen of England is "worshiped," but she isn't a deity either.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fine.. go split your hairs'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'venerated'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'ooooo, venerated, good one! :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the little ones make good paper weights, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'switchgrassa native North American perennial grass (Panicum virgatum) that often grows on the borders of cropland naturallyand proving that it can deliver more than five times more energy than it takes to grow it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'switchgrass ethanol delivers 540 percent of the energy used to produce it, compared with just roughly 25 percent more energy returned by corn-based ethanol according to the most optimistic studies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you agree that it's never been about "what works best?"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corn for food, not fuel!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the only way your going to change anything is change the profitability'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'four legs good, two legs bad!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if they could turn the stalks into fuel instead, they would make more money then just selling the corn itself.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then corn can be food again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the energy/sugar of a corn plant is on the grain/ears.  you don't make whisky from the stalks'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is switchgrass able to be used to produce moonshine'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could try.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but probably not, since you would need a way to extract the sugars from it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some folks will throw near anything in the mash bucket'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is switchgrass able to be used to feed humans -- "He's been eating  Puffed (Switch)Grass!  You can tell by the green mouth."  (no apologies to Stan Freberg )'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, it is pretty much only good for making well, nothing.....until a method to extract the sugars in it is made.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cows might eat it though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Bessy the cow approves of  Puffed Grass."'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but when that happens....pretty much anything will be able to be used to make cellulosic ethanol.....tree waste, grass, corn stalks, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cellulosic ethanol is the holy grail of renewable fuels....then we can boost ethanol in vehicles to 50% or higher.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the cost would drop like a rock.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I'm listening to old 60s protest songs in the background as I play this game, and it's making me think about all the mobs I've killed, and all times I've died myself, and I'm wondering if all this killing and death and destruction is worth it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Fuck yea it's worth it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Good News Week" by Hedgehoppers Anonymous ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Government kills children for oil and things, I kill children for TPs and QPs'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom thinks noegel is deranged and unstable
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wiggles about like a fish.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Flowers on the Wall" by the WonderWho (Stattler Brothers) -- not exactly a regular "protest" song'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how is it even remotely a protest song?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't see that as a protest song :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'I'm listening to Mary Travers performing the Fields of France.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'now THAT'S a protest song :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"They're coming to take you away, ha ha" '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and who calls The Statler Brothers the WonderWho?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'did you really believe them ... when they told you the cause ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ycch - Mary Travers - ycch '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Flowers on the Wall" came out by the "WonderWho" on the 45'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's just not worth listening to if skiffles are not involved.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'skittles......mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not skittles, skiffles.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'although, I guess it'd be quite impressive is someone managed a great song playing skittles.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Something in the Air" by ThunderClap Newman, was a great protest song'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least until you learned where the saw debuted in some obscure Peter Sellers film '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'mouse that roared!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least until you learned where the song debuted in some obscure Peter Sellers film - the group singing next to a sewer'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'starring peter sellers, peter sellers, peter sellers, peter sellers, and peter sellers ... '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like "Praise The Lord And Pass The Ammunition"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Prisoner of Zenda?" ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "Seagoons" or "Monty Python" -- which were funnier '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "Seagoons" relied mostly on audio (with optional video).  "Monty Python" relied mostly on video (with some audio).'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another protest song started: "Onward Christian soldiers!, duty's way is plain. Smite! your heathen neighbours, ..."'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'HFCS is Japan's revenge for nuking them in WWII.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Peter Paul & Mary did a lot of songs in the 1960s -- suppose some of those songs were bemoaning something'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'more all than some'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I met them once in 1986, they were friends with my next door neighbor when we lived in Redmond Washington.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they were going to do a few songs at the puyallup state fair.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of the things I really regret is not seeing them live '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Electric Light Orchestra did "Signs" (protesting signs)- unsure whether that was late 1960s or later'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Peter Paul and Mary" looked and sounded good when they were young slim and all with head hair'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was "Mary Travers" of PP&M '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another great (wink) protest song was "My Generation" by "The Who". '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'The Rolling Stones also did protest songs: "Get Off My Cloud"  '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sucrose is evil.......'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'sucralose is where its at'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Fructose is evil also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Glucose is fine though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Fructose is more evil then Sucrose though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A 2009 study from University of California, Davis takes its place in a growing lineup of scientific studies demonstrating that consuming high-fructose corn syrup is the fastest way to trash your health. It is now known without a doubt that sugar in your food, in all it's myriad of forms, is taking a devastating toll.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Polar bear troubles?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Fructose as such isn't terribly bad, the problem is simply that your body is designed to handle the moderate amounts of fructose you get in traditional fruit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM is a 90min speech from the main researcher of the study that was done.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The polar bears moved up into the nearby mountains, since all the snow outside our house melted'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'polar bears can adapt, and if they dont...they can die out.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'poppycock'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've been eating sugar products a long while, in moderation, and with a diet supplemented by raw vegetables, and vitamin mineral supplements, and i rarely eat meat'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe sugar is dangerous to excessive meat-eaters that rarely eat raw vegetables'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmmm vegetables and meat'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jay Leno (joke-)boasted that he never ate any raw vegetables  '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Glucose also isn't dangerous in moderate amounts'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fructose is not glucose.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'too high blood sugar will damage your blood vessels (endothelial wall thingies)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'very true'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'they also follow different metabolic pathways'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'i lost my metabolical pathways in 'nam'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God may become angry if the variety of species is thinned out too much'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I bet there are rather more species now than originally, anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Fructose doesnt activate the hunger hormone, that is the most insidious part of fructose.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er deactivate :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'typing before thinking on that one. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of evolutionary work was put into the planet, and excess humans are becoming a nuisance'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In any kind of natural diet you only get limited amounts of fructose though - not like today when you eat a pound of HFCS every week :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'believe it is called ghrelin, fructose doesnt supress it, so you keep eating and eating, and getting more fat and fat...until your stomach blows up, or you run out of oreos.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg american eats 140 lbs of sugar per year now. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er fructose and sucrose'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of it is fructose though'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is believed that fructose is what causes the new ailment of metabolic syndrome....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the hunger hormone is not affected by fructose, then fructose is neutral, but the hunger hormone is affected by what comes along with that fructose'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I wouldn't know how to isolate the effects of excessive fructose, but since you overall eat more glucose and glucose leads to the blood sugar/insulin roller coaster with subsequent fat storage and hunger, I would expect that to be a more prominent cause'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the metabolism of glucose is pretty interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those in the "government" are known to be liars when there is an agenda to fool the populace in supporting some lobbyist-favored products'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'sucrose of course is 50-50 frucotse and glucose, and hfcs is typically 55% fructose, then add in grains (glucose)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think if people knew more about how food provides energy for their body, they would be more selective in what they ate.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps it should be a required course in high school.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah... cause requiring stuff like history and math in high school make people such crack experts on those subjects, after all'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go back to your snickers and 60 oz coke, onny :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I can't, told you I'm not going near the airport'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hell the gas alone would set me back the difference in price'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They do offer courses like that in high school'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people well some high schools do, and they aren't always required even then'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Called Health... but kids dont give two shits about health they are invincible, remember?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Clearly having a basic understanding of human nutrition etc. is more important than a number of topics currently included in your typical curriculum'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people won't choose healthy foods just because you tell them to'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was Onslaught advocating that how to make crack be taught in schools'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'in fact telling people what they SHOULD eat pretty much guarantees they'll refuse to do so'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at my high school they didnt have it, and health class had nothing to do with how food food is metabolized in your body....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They did at my school....'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It was a mandatory class'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught THWAPS Queen Bee Noegel for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we had chemistry, but not biochemistry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Did six weeks on healthy eating and how food was utilized'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'your personal experience doesn't dictate a universal outcome'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But kids don't give a shit and will still drink coke and eat cheetos'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'on the other hand I beleive that school should be stripped down to the absolute basics (learn to read, write, speak, do arithmetics, and probably some sports), and everything else should be up to the individual student'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'USAmerican healh classes 101: "how to prepare Kellogs Corn Flakes in the morning" '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course this was the late 80s, I have no idea about now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I graduated high school in 2006'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and by speak I mean public speaking/debates'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nah, you don't want to tell people what they should eat, just tell them "if you eat a, you'll be sick, tired and ugly, if you eat b you'll be healthy, fit and handsome"..'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'no one will notice'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'won't work'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'yeah doesnt work'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we tell people not to smoke cause they'll die painfully'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'doesn't work'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the norwegian gov't had quite some success with casting smoking as being for unsexy losers'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'The solution here is to specifically design healthy food to be as good-tasting and addictive as the bad stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate, "people will do stupid things" isn't a very good reason to avoid telling them what is good for them'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'anything else will not work'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Tinada, people tell us all the time what is good and bad.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But they still eat what they want.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Usually good and bad isn't backed by science, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'like, current US recommendations go back to senate deciding what is good for you after the entire mcgovern committee stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and, as it turned out after I spent some time reading the actual nutrition research, everyone around me, including all physicians I know were clueless'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how much did each of the food lobbyists pay to get their food products listed as "good"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Onslaught had it right.  People will eat HFCS until there is an equally delicious but healthier replacement.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'don't forget cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or, alternatively, alter human biology to perceive healthy food as tasting equally as good as the unhealthy stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the physicians at least knew that high gi/gl diet -> blood sugar spikes -> insulin spikes -> additional fat storage in the short term and to insulin resistance, obesity, diabetes and so on in the long term, but none of them connected it to actual dietary recommendations :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I figure the other way around will be easier, but who knows'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'that's the solution! not GMO foods. rather, GMO humans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'both really'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps if they added rare minerals in extremely small amounts to HFCS -- but that is likely to cost extra and reduce profit'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there's a berry you can get which makes lemons taste like sweet candy... apparently tabasco sauce tastes like chocolate syrup'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'of course it still burns a hole in your stomach if you chug an entire bottle'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'gmo foods aren't much of a solution as long as 90% of them have the 'benefit' of being resistant to the active components of various herbi-/insecticides'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tabasco suce does not burn a hole in the stomach'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'okay.. can we at least agree it wouldn't be very good for you to do so?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, we need an alcohol that still can make you drunk, but doesnt have the adverse health affects.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unadulterated cayene peppers are healthy'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'those people I have spent time talking to, and who have changed their diets, absolutely don't want to go back to sugar, grains, starches, but the conversion process requires a level of intellectual curiousity and flexibility that has mostly been trained out of humans these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'someone (I forget who) did make a liquor which tastes exactly like water'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'now THAT would be fun to experiment with'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the metabolism of alcohol is scary compared to glucose.....most of it goes right to the liver.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chugging simple Louisiana Hot Sauce usually cures indigestion -- at least used to, but some bacteria are becoming resistant to that cayenne pepper remedy'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes well I wouldn't suggest anything people in Louisiana routinely do to be an inherently appropriate activity'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'up to and including chugging hot sauce'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Montezuma's revenge requires something hotter or more hygienic than Cayenne'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fructose is even worse.....only the liver can metabolize fructose......so that must mean fructose is a poison.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and I say this as someone who spent some years in New Orleans and surrounding areas'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth,. according to that defective logic: "if only the stomach may digest food, that means food is a poison"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'was afk, but tinada, I agree a lot with your 'stripped down school' argument'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada jumps up onto a table and shrieks 'EEEEEEEK!'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'imo we shouldn't be trying to force everyone to do full college-prep curriculum just in order to get a damn high school diploma. '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'according to that defective logic: "if only the lungs may ingest air, that means air is a poison"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'There is the additional factor that if kids get to pick their own subjects half of the time, I suspect they will be more motivated, learn more, and any specific knowledge loss will be compensated by the greater overall knowledge'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, looking back, I realized that in subjects other than language and math you (a) didn't learn much and (b) new knowledge usually didn't build on previous knowledge, so anyone could catch up later with a moderate effort'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if children get to pick their own subjects ... recipe for a lot of inadequaely educated kids'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'How would that be different from today, exactly? :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'there would still have to be some sensible approval process for the choice of topics and difficulty levels'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when i went to school, everybody took the same subjects except for one elective (with a limited choice)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and, starting around 6th grade, no one wanted to go to school anymore? :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, like in science, one year you do biology, one chemistry ... you can fail biology and do just fine in chemistry'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but you can't (in most cases) fail algebra 1 and do just fine in algebra 2'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'English, Physics, Chemistry, MathematicsI&II, and the choice of either French or BookKeeping'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's really the 'cumulative knowledge' subjects, which imo are foreign language, math, english, music, in which it's really hard to catch up. and some of those are a lot more important to other subjects -- english imo is most'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you go to a really small school, xyl?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because the high school near me did have a very restrictive curriculum, but they also had one class per year which doesn't leave a lot of room for electives'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'anyway, the ability to offer different electives depends on the school (although much less so with online learning etc.) -- i think it'd be really awesome if even in the small schools, you could have the standard 'us history' class but someone who had a different social studies class could do it online, of course that would need to be restricted to the students well-behaved enough to use the computer lab independently without making assholes out of themselves'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what good is studying "USA History" other than auditioning for "Are you dumber than a Fifth Grader"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what fawlty said'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'does any country NOT include the history of said country in that curriculum?'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that logic didn't prevent the Financial meltdown'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'From what I've seen it doesn't seem to matter much. Those who study history will probably still repeat it, but with a better appreciation for irony.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i -did- put a question mark at the end of the statement.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'fair point'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i use -my- knowlege of history to alienate women at parties until better looking men walk by, and they walk away. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'anyway, my point was not specifically that 'we should teach us history' but rather 'us history is a standard high school class but it would be nice to let interested students take something else instead''
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Human history = human nature, and both will bear out repetition no matter how much you study them and work to avoid it. Only way out is to stop being fully human... so we're dovetailing back to GM people again I'm afraid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Onslaught, you should read this book if you're interested in human folly: http://www.amazon.com/March-Folly-Troy-Vietnam/dp/0345308239'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I super enjoyed it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'll add it to my Kindle reading list, I'm familiar with it, but haven't read it'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'though I suspect it backs me up a bit on my point '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn, isomil 6 month old formula is 43 % corn syrup solids......wth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fructose is good for babies!d'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not if they dont want to end up like you zady :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh people used to make 'formula' out of canned condensed milk and corn syrup'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, they are nuts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a freaking baby milkshake, not a formula'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is also 10.5% sucrose'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and breakfast cereal is a bowl of marshmallows and chocolate... or chocolate marshmallows... mmmm...'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fructose is ethanol, but without the buzz.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope -- fructose is safer than ethanol'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fructose does 8 of the 12 things that ethanol does to you....imagine that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Rizgoth seems (slightly too) fanatical on "fructose" or "antifructose"  '
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pot, kettle, analog? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fructose doesn't cause inebriation and impairment that ethonol does'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only difference between ethanol and fructose is how part of it is metabolized....the buzz comes from alcohol being metabolized partly in your brain....the rest is metabolized by your liver.....all the fructose is metabolized in your liver.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is basically the same.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'glucose on the other hand is mostly metabolized by your cells, bacteria, and so on in your body.....and about 20% is metabolized in your liver.'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a driver on fructose is more alert than a driver (drunk) on ethanol -- so basically not the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since fructose acts as calories, the fructose is converted to other things that the body is able to use'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"converted" and "metabolised" are not identical concepts, "metabolised" conotes several meanings: (say) "converted", "consumed"'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'is this debate still going on'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'first case of the new bird flu in beijing'
T3/r7/2013-04-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is the people who are making the birds sick :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chris Matthews is a flid'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chris Matthews 'interview' technique. 1. Ask loaded questions, 2. Talk over the answer'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really dodgy case involving Feds sending Amnish people to 15 years in jail for beardcutting, when the jurisdiction was proved only because "the scissors used in the cutting were manufactured in a different state"'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.wnd.com/?p=412531'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'for what values of x will the expression be non-real: square root of x <0'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imaginary numbers'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that question doesn't make any sense.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as phrased.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'w - t - le < 0 for all values of w except civil servants and liberals on the gravy train'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'Determine for what values of x each of the following  expressions will be non-real: a.) square root of x <0 b.) square root of x - 3 < 0 c.) square root of x squared + x < 0'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'namely because dle/dx and dt/dx > dw/dx where x is time'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the x<0 is exactly how it's written in your textbook?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because it would make sense if the '<0' weren't there'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'the hint says that "if expression = square root(inside expression) then it would be non-real for inside expression < 0'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you should use parenthesis to show where square root symbol is in relation to anything else...for example, square roots are technically +/- values, so (square root of x) can be less than zero while being real, but the square root of an x < 0 cannot'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, it is definitely true that sqrt (expression) is non-real for (expression)<0'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so ... ignoring the phrasing ... the way to set these problems is to say 'where is sqrt (expression) non-real?' 'when (expression)<0.' 'how do I solve that?' 'oh, yeah, inequalities' :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you make of this: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://info.publicintelligence.net/DoD-CivilianLawEnforcement.pdf&chrome=true'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, the sqrt(expression) would be non-real also if the expression is an imaginary number.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, but I truly doubt he's gotten to that stage'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but never the less, it's not enough to mention the sign of expression'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's nevertheless perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's such a thing as introducing a level of detail that a student's not ready for at a certain point -- this type of problem sounds like they've just introduced 'our friend i, the imaginary number', and while people are still trying to understand that, introducing square roots of imaginary numbers is a recipe for losing most of the class in confusion :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I never thought I was a good teacher'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well i got a.)x < 0 b.) x < 3 c.) -1 < x < 0'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a and b are right, c is actually trickier'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'suppose x is negative. is x^2 positive or negative?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'positive'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'depends on if x is real or imaginary'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'negative has no meaning for imaginary numbers, elfeneri, as they are not a well-ordered set'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're damned sexy though'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'grissom: so even if x is negative, x^2 is positive. This means that you can take the square root of x^2 for any value of x.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'of course,  you are right'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Too many years ago I studied math I just realized'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now if only you'd go and teach yours and my government basic math, we might all end up better off'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and btw this is grade 11 maths just a fyi and i see majic'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'tigernuts can i gnore you for just a  while as this is quite important'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, you never need to ask permission to ignore people'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well it is not because i font like him it is only because i am being distracted by him'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't offend me, Grissom, you still need help?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'maybe a bit later i am getting the stuff now maybe you can help me with english'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my worst subject'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'wait tigernuts struggled with English that is impossible'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have a tendancy to words out'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well my first langauge is afrikaans but i choose Eng first langauge because i understand stuff better in english'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'solve for x: 9x^2 = 4x'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what do you think you might do?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'only an embecile wouldn't think to divide by x'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro :)
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Grissom, one solution for that one is trivial. And I guess you see that one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well i can get the 9 and 4 into their squares'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dividing by x is actually the wrong choice, thank you for illuminating that. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'gris: the squares are a red herring here -- you have an x^2 on one side and an x on the other side. If it were 9x^2=4, you could use square root property, but as it is, you can't. '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'umm just deevyde by X sir'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so you should use factoring, which means you need everything on one side.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'factoring is chumpish, take the square root of the left side and divide the right side by x'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why would x=0 not be a solution?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'then you remove one solution to the equation Kojiro:'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and ignore kojiro, he's trolling today.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'grissom: you chose the wrong player to ignore ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i didnt ignore tiger'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it is, hans, but there are two'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how would you solve for ^?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sorry i just needed a break and a laugh from this partnership tax return'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'x = 4/9'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not in the 1%, now pay your goddammed taxes'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hey guys, if i contribute a portfolio with built-in loss securities which fails the diversification test, does the pship take a carryover basis?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sadly I am'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'gris, and the other answer?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you're in the 1%, pay my taxes too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people in the 1% don't pay anyones taxes, hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxation is for the working poor'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I probably already do, since half of wage earners pay no taxes due to tax credits, many of which are refundable so they pay negative taxes even before wealth transfers'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nope. '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I can't wait to move to puerto rico and fuck you all with my tax-free capital gains until 2035'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'x = -4/9?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lolz'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'they've done studies, and something like 6% of people think they're in the 1%'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'wrong sign unfortunately, and only one of the solutions out of two.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'put -4/9 into the equation and you get -16/9 = 16/9, so that tells you it's wrong -- you're guessing'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'grissom imagine if you get it right the first (next) time, you get a TP'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'your next step should have been -4x on both sides of the equation -- then you get 9x^2-4x = 0. '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the UK, the top 1% pay ONE THIRD of money to the nations treasury'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'theyn you'll stop dicking around w/ guesses and you will check them into the equation'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'someone already got the second solution, so technically he'd be out of the running for the tp.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's misleading, Vonliege, they only pay 1/3 of INCOME tax to the nations treasury, which in itself makes up less than 1/3 of all taxation'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's still more than you pay'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'where does the UK get money outside of the income tax??!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tarrifs'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it makes up 30% of all income taxation'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sales tax, excise tax, tarrifs, capital gains/estate taxes, etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because the colonys just ain't putting out like they used to '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'interesting that it's so different than the US.  vst vst amount of govt dollars in are income tax related'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's more than i pay, but it's significantly less as a proportion of income than i pay, and since most made all that money through off monopolies and theft, i don't really have any sympathy for them'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oohhh. VAT'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I forgot, i used to live there'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I wish we had a VAT.  I don't buy useless shit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you buy anything at all, Kojiro?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm young so I prefer to save.  the FV of consumption is too high.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VAT applies to just about every good and service'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just luxuries'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'back to work so I can pile up more quest points... i mean dollars'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so if you're a 1%er, why don't you have bonjour's stats?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because chances are he will get purged. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'real 1%ers are outlaws.  And like a jew they are forced to wear a patch identifying who they are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure about UK, but in germany and itally, VAT on non-essencial items (no food, cloths or heating fuel) is about HALF of everyting else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh, because even though the money to get bonjour's stats would mean little to me, the stats would mean even less'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does VAT = US sales tax, or is it more like property taxe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like a national sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the future value of bonjour's stats is zero both in terms of dollars and entertainment value.  the future value of the donation is millions to research'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'VAT = Value Added Tax... which is just a fancy way of saying SUPER SALES TAX'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's probably a good thing we don't have a US VAT.  simply too easy of a lever for govt to pull'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I for one am all for VAT... IF it reduces income tax.  Give it to the Dems, though, and they would consider it IN ADDITION to current income tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'where is the party for social liberty AND economic liberty??  So weird we have one or the other in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because then, the alternative to saving money is spending money AND giving money to the GOV..  will make it easier to save'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'income tax would be fine if they removed all the deductions......then the % could be lowered. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'income tax needs a major overhaul.  the partnership tax code is a tax shelter grand station.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we could transfer about 80% of the IRS employees to the US wildlife admin....let them clean up the parks instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'of course you have to be rich to access the pship tax code'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm for EQUAL taxation... I pay $10,000... Donald Trump pays $10,000... and that bum smoking weed on his front porch all day pays $10,000'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what if you only make $15k before tax?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... are you on crack?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the difference would be though....you would be paying $1 million and trump $1 million, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then you don't have alot left over for weed... better grow your own'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'IRS needs MORE employees!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you wouldnt be able to afford it :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VAT is super sales tax, there's a handful of things that don't count, and you do need to make taxation as simple as possible, ditch all the exclusions, all the tax free allowances, all the credits, just start with a nice low 10% rate from 0-$20k, 20% from 20k-100k and 30% for 100k+'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they are way begind on enforcing the damn laws.  only in past few years w/ computers do they have basis reported and non-taxed health care bennies on the W-2'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the ex-IRS employees would do wonders for organizational operation of the Parks service, but I really don't want those fiends being in charge of conservation efforts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you have to be trolling. Nobody could really believe something so ridiculous.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a flat tax doesnt actually work if you think about it.   It wouldnt raise enough income, and it would hurt poor people a lot more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'we need a tax code.  we also need it enforced by intelligent people.  the irs is way understaffed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i pay my 35%, go get the fuckers who don't report offshore wealth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can't you guys pay tax at source?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see.. it's that "Poor People" mentality that gets under my skin... since when do "Poor People" get to live as well as "middle class people"... they're POOR PEOPLE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a simpler scaled tax with no deductions would be better.....we could probably cut the overall tax rates by at least 40%'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I would rather be a theoretical physicist than an IRS employee.  The numbers would be much more manageable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I know plenty of poor people and they do not live like middle class do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'riz, a politically more feasible idea might be minimum rates on AGI over thresholds, regardless of character'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'riz, did they sign up for their obama phone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, our company provides a cell phone to all employees.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he gave us a phone, he's gonna do more (like piss up the healthcare system)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it warms my heart to see the indigents receiving free smart phones on my family's dime.  that way they can always be in touch w/ their drug dealers'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yea tiger, i know a dozen people who work retail that went from 40 to 30 or less hours.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'solely due to obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are hard working poor people out there who just can't seem to catch a break... I'll grant that.  but MOST poor people are POOR because they're LAZY'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but if you're a sack of shit don't worry, you'll get more medicaid now'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'God gave man free will and many poor people will themselves to poverty'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'nobody said it was easy, but in america it's possible.  in other countries in the world, if you're poor, it's impossible to move up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a group of people living near my mother. it's an older couple, 3 kids (all male), one's girlfriend, one's uncle, some kids, etc. -- overall there's about a dozen people there'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the only one that works is the older woman -- the others have all had part-time jobs off and on ... but they get fired after a few months for one too many 'went to a party and didn't show up the next day''
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they probably sell obama phones on ebay'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The trucking industry in the US needs about 100,000 new drivers......in the next 10 years it will need 200,000 more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why work when food stamps and welfare is such a better deal, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can safely announce voliege that i'm poor due to mismanagement of the country, not because i'm lazy'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'can't be bothered.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'alright back to taxes :('
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I think grissom gave up on the math problem'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'he's probably campaigning or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'possibly so'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the oil and gas industry will be the largest provider of new trucking jobs in the next 50 years, with regional direct runs for retail being 2nd.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or he figured it out'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'thinking it will magically come to him on the third campaign'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if he figured it out he's rude for not thanking majic'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no i am still busy but moved on to the next sums'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and thanks to everyone else who helped me'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Tiger.. you are on this mud ALL THE TIME!  Go earn some money!  rake yards - clean chickens - pick up scrap metal!  And for GOD SAKE!  don't waste money on computers and internet time'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'how do you clean a chicken?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no yards, chickens or scrap metal in the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'EMIGRATE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he cant afford to emigrate, the coyotes do not deliver over the atlantic.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you realise i'm 5hrs ahead of you, it's bedtime here'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you have time to sit at the computer, you have time to earm SOME money'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pats Vonliege on his head.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it only the Mexicans who are called coyotes?  Because illegal orientals are also a major issue and we don't share any overland borders with them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hove to sit out for a little... I really wanted to follow this conversation, but I have to take my target down and scoot for a minute'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chinese shanghai people, ship them to other countries and then force them to make clothes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well that is my maths (mostly) finished thanks guys and now for the English (RUNNING AWAY)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US ship captains used to shanghai people quite a bit in San Francisco.......'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the 1800s'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'especially the second half of the 1800s'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would go to a saloon, get drunk....and end up on a boat heading to Asia.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'btw, vl, the issue in this country is cost of living, not wages, it was never about working harder. Aspiration is dead because of socialism , crony capitalism, and epic incompetance in government over a very long period'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, the cylons are whooping the fleet, and the Enterprise-D to the rescue!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'riz.. from SF.. wouldn't that be west? =p'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Big Democratic donors are setting their sights on TExas amid expectations that it will be up for grabs as early as the 2016 US presidential election due to rapidly changing demographics'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4880fbfe-a4e5-11e2-8777-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2QTaLsiyc'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Senator Starbug: 'they should come to arizona. it'll be a cheaper and faster date'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(basically Democrats allowing huge amounts of Mexicans in with the idea of them voting Democrat)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been taking lessons from Hugo Chavez, clearly'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no kidding. I remember last time I crossed the border from Mexico back into Texas. Border patrol guy asked me if I intended to vote Democrat or Republican and hinted I could just turn myself around if it was the latter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Texas falls, that's game over then, really'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'could always secede'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't work if it's already been taken over'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well we'd have to do it by force'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and perform genocide on the mexicans of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What border patrol agent would say vote democrat'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and liberals, no problem though since they don't believe in guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm glad you're open to rational debate, onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously all of them Noegel'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My whole station votes conservative generally'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Republican woot'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure sure, that's what you say for public consumption'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but we know the truth'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK borders stopped bothering to record people leaving the country for a number of years, so we didn't even know how many illegals we had'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Dems allowing huge amounts of mexicans in so they vote for em'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'There are sooo many people comingn in its insane'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all that bullshit about tightened border security and higher levels of deportation.. just propaganda for NPR'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would you do about it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Who me?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I live in Texas'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and was born here'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously I know everything almost by default'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either of you'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So what Onslaught is telling us, is that he didn't go to school in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'born in texas and anti-2nd ammendment? baffling'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught is agreeing with that Daloran person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm not anti-second amendment. I thought we already discussed that last time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hire a 12 year old novice programmer to simplify our alien processing software (e3).  It takes, on average, 1-5 hours to process EACH alien.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, nothing was discussed, just some mud thrown'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually I remember clearly you making the same assumption then'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'That way, more agents can actually be in the field catching aliens, not typing away at the station'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and I explained otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not just close the border to anyone without a visa, noegel, or is that too difficult?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so continuing to do so makes you either an intentional liar, or incapable of comprehending basic sentence structure'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Because people cross around the Ports, Tigernuts...'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Border Patrol are agents to catch unlawful border crossers..  Customs are the men and women at the ports of entry'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i remember all you were doing during the gun debate was deliberately misinterpreting everything that was said in an attempt to sound like Zade'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Then I submit option 3: your memory sucks'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but since we've cleared it up that you're pro-2nd ammendment, that's all good'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'll let you decide which applies to you'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's no in question :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wiggles about like a fish.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i am out y'all'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'See ya'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada waves goodbye to Queen Bee Noegel.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Not to me Tinada!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel waves goodbye to Grissom.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always rely on the Guardian to come up with a hitpiece that misses the point: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/12/christian-fundamentalism-ron-paul-homeschooling'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-22142466 - a shooting in the UK, clearly made up by the BBC since gun violence doesn't occur where guns are banned'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love me some guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is well known. Criminals would never break gun laws.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I helped set that up, it is a hoax by the government'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're obviously feeling a little 'angst', moonpies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Angst!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I cloned my donkies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm only in this if moonpies shows up'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I replicated myself in a lot of your donkies.  This is why they are sickly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'hey guys'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what you want to debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Oh boy. I sense a completely rational and considered debate in the offing!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I just aborted my baby with my fist.  Abortion is ok'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'on the gossip channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but only when using your own fist'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Shit nuggets... I used the Fist of Fury from Superman'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i dont agree or disagree i just think people should have a choice'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, chicken mcnuggets have no sugar added......still franken meat, but no added corn sugar!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'women in the workplace, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DBL, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that makes me feel better about using honey as a dipping sauce Riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my biggest gripe is that women won't get over the fact that something isn't fair.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'thanks!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'lol so true'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I came up in a military under transition... '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'interesting'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'women were allowed to fly COMBAT helicopters....'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'sounds like fun'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BUT.. when the gate was opened... they tossed aside BETTER qualified men to make room for them'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'not so good'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so often is the case that when a man succeeds where a woman does not.. the waoman claims it is because she is a woman... not because she is worthless'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when men started cooking the meals in the army...did they push aside better female cooks ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was never the case, Riz... went from blacks to whites'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'but in away it was to demonstrate progress so in the end it was probably a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not momen to men'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... we lost ALOT of excellent MEN pilots in the proccess... and people have died because of ti'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i beleive men were originally the cooks'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doesnt it take a certain amount of strength to be a good helicopter pilot, as well as good hand eye coordination ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or foot hand eye coordination'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '4 of the original 9 female COMBAT pilots have crashed their helicopters and killed their crews... they were NOT qualified'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'ok well think think about this if they didn't do it it could have led to female protesting the lack of female soldiers'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont have a problem with women in the front lines......just dont replace better pilots with them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the military is NOT the place for protests, feelings, or even EQUALITY for that matter... it's a place to shut up and do what you are told'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless they are better of course :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'and possibly could have become a violent mob if the gov't handled it wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'give em a gun and put em on guard duty for caravans......equal opportunity soldiers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when the gates opened, there was about 4 years of GROSS over compensation.. the only qualifying trait for getting into apachees was that you needed to have a vagina...  if you had a penis, you had to work your ass off to get in'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i agree but for the sake of societal progress and growth of the american dream it may have been worth it'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Same thing here Vonliege.  It is SO easy for a woman to promote in the border patrol'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's the same thing they are seeing with gays now... being gay is an automatic promotion... over compensation.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what does the american dream have to do with the best military force we can get ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't because I don't want to be stuck behind a desk.  Plus, the SBPAs look so angry and grumpy'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'it has to do with equality'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is it worth it to the men who get tossed in the trash to make way for a woman... not because whe is qualified, but simply because whe is a woman?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sorry, but I wont agree to redesign submarines, just so that women can serve on them.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they can go serve on an aircraft carrier.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i get tossed in the trash all the time (literally) but i dont care i shove my feelings down and lock them with a key and suck it up'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what the hell IS the deal with womens history month?  do women need the federal government to establish a MONTH just for them to ensure they have worth?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'yeah the month thing is stupid'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I hate womens history month.  I always get asked to take a week off to go talk to schools'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'they should at least have Women's Month in February, where it's only 28 days'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'im still in school'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'grin'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bathrooms.... the first 10 years of my military career, when I was in the woods, I crapped in the woods... now that women are in the woods with us, they have to get bussed to town twice a day to crap in a toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can't do that, feb is black history month.. I mean talk about a shitstorm'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohgoon: 'no pun intended'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'pfft to women if they can't poop in the woods'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no portable toilets?  ie a plastic bag and a bush ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Why dont they put toilet paper in their packs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well they CAN'T'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i dig a hole when i camp'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'maybe stupid ones can't :p I've been camping'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'I know how this shit rolls'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'no pun intended, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'literally'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'women (as a group) can not crap in the woods... there was a SHIT storm of harasment suits when they first came to the woods with the men... "they made me crap in the woods"... now they get a bus to the toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I've done my business in the brush no problem... most agents carry a tp roll for those um sticky situations'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no portable bidets ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'bidets?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'What ply?  Were you roughing it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... it's called a wet-wipe'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol whatever I have at home'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or a river.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point is that as a group... women are women's worst enemy... and they need to fix them selves rather than have the government legislate equality'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'ok i once peed on a squirrel once when i was in canada camping with a group for 7 days straight canoeing down the lakes and we had a few women with us they did fine without toilet paper'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am sure they did... but the 100,000 odd women in the US military can NOT crap in the woods'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you can't make them...'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'So dumb'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'So the CO can't tell them to because he said so?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if there is not "toilet plan"... the women stay on the couch while the men go and rough it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'im guessing they broke their nails on a bush or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'I hate when I break my nails on my bush'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the CO CAN NOT tell them to crap in the woods... he'she would have a very short career'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My god.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bewitching: 'ok ok I'll quit now :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and showers....'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'damn thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the old days, our idea of a shower was the golden retriever.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back in the day (25 years ago), we would go on a two week trip to the woods and not have the luxury of a shower once... women - BY REGULATION - have to be afforded a shower EVERY day'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a hygene issue... believe me.. a unwashed woman smells ALOT worse than an unwashed man'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'lol on my trip to canada my only shower was a waterfall'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is a legitamate biological reason why women need showers, and men can do without'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i thought you were arguing the opposite point'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I stated that to make the point that women are not physically suited to the same roles as men'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you ever had a really good yeast infection?  I have not, but I understand that it's a bitch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'ok but for some things their just as good and no'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the internet has proven that women can pee standing up just as well as men can.  If they can do that, they can do anything.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for some things - absolutly'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'intelectually equal - rationally equal....'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'woah your wrong there men are much more rational'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but we (men and women) have different plumbing, and no amount of "women's months" and legislation is going to change that fact'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think the only thing different as far as the plumbing goes is the lack of a prostate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rational may be wired a bit different, but I've foind women to be more than capable of getting to the "'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rational may be wired a bit different, but I've foind women to be more than capable of getting to the "right" place in the end'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'women are better at multitasking, men are better at visualizing 3D space...'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'problem solving - again.. wired a bit different, but no better or worse.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'that's why women are amazing marksmen, but men are far better pilots'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but when it comes to the snap-pop-and bang of flying a gun ship, and misting cars full of people... women don't got the right wiring'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'This is all generally speaking.  I think people should just look at the qualifications and aptitude scores and not even care about sex or race.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'hold up i am much more rational than anyone i have met probably because i ignore my emotional responses but every guy i have met is much more rattional than my mom or sister'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Most people think they are the most rational.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'taking your parting shots now... standing down'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'my father isn't rational and he knows it'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'hey vonliege how'd you come up with your name'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was the boss at the end of a zone on the Medievia Mud that I played 10-years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'cool'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what do you guys think about obama'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'that's kind of a complicated question to answer. i think he's a mixed bag.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'finnally somone who doesnt hate him because of the way the economy is'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he makes good moonpies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i think one of the reasons it's good for people to have one leader is because we can make a scape goat of him. our systemic economic problems go back to, at least, world war II.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'or her, i guess, assuming the US would actually elect a woman.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'disagree our problems stem from bailing out japan and germany'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'but not bailing out japan and germany would have created a situation similar to the situation in europe after world war I, and potentially created an envionment for world war three in 30 years after the end of the conflict in 1945.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'so that's a mixed bag too ;)'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i know im saying thats where they stem not that i disagree with the decision'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'you can also argue that the new deal failed, and without the masssive amount of military spending created by world war II the US economy would have collapsed at the end of the 1930's, and only the continuation of that massive level of military spending has allowed our econmy to continue floating along.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i would say that the military spending was...useful but we need to get out of this rut and stop outsourcing'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'one way or another that will happen. we will eventually expend our fossil fuel resources. then, the cost of shipping will outgrow the cost of local labor, and jobs will return.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'us is stepping away from fossil fuels'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'like a fat man stopping at four burgers is on a diet, i suppose.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'are you kidding have you seen the effort to reduce energy expending this year alone'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i'm not kidding, no.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US oil imports are at a 20 year low....down to 42% now of oil used.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'compare the united state's annual fossil fuel consumption per capita to most other industrialized nations.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'we are reducing it every year because it is becoming scarce and we are not idiots'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In 2011, the U.S. relied on imports for 44.8 percent of its petroleum consumption, down from 60.3 percent in 2005,'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'and, eventually, it will become expensive enough that outsourcing will no longer be economically viable. then, outsourcing of manufacturing jobs will become obsolete.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 5 years, we will only be importing oil from Canada and Mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'maybe 10 years, we shall see.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'but we outsource our jobs because its cheaper and buying our oil from the middle east makes more money than producing it ourselves'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I outsource border patrol agents to the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'imsure you do'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we export jobs because energy has been historically expensive in the US for the last 30 years....That is changing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which cheap natgas, lots of manufacturers are coming back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'but it will always be cheaper in china'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er with'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'incomes are rising in China, as is the cost of transportation because they dont have cheap US oil to transport that stuff from china to the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and american workers are 4x more efficient compared to chinese workers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You watch, in a few years, there will be tons of manufacturing jobs back in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'but we dont import oil from china and there are more of them so they by pure numbers they are more productive/i hope thats true'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how many do you think will berobots?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohgoon: 'but american workers need to be paid more'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love me some rbots'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'robots are illegal on aardwolf, i think that includes using them in debates. not sure. can we get a ruling on that?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel groans at the sight of Fawlty.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'whats wrong with fawlty'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'where to being? :('
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'begin.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he was injecting Aardwolf into real life.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'ooohhh i get it'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'clever'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oooh im late here it goes'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel groans at the sight of Moonpies.
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what you dont like moonpies'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on debate, we don't really care if you make serious arguments or not, but we do expect you to stay on topic'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'SQUIRREL!'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i was until you guys joined in'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sqirrels need to be shot in the ass with a dartgun.  Really pin the tail on those donkeys.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Don't people who become american citizens have to speak english ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'they just have to pretend to'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Cubans don't.  They just have to manage to get to shore before the Coast Guard picks them up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'query: how does one "pretend" to speak a foreign language?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Hanslanda person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Just enough to pass the citizenship test'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Get busloads of cubans with their NTA papers'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps we should expand the test then.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how many high school class subjects did you have to take but ended up not using?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'then what you mean is they don't need to be fluent in english'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if you know enough to pass the citizenship test, you do indeed know english'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently if you are 50 years or older, you are exempt from the english requirment to become a citizen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Maybe that's what it is rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you are 65 and older, you don't need a birth certificate to renew your CCW permit in MO.  We've got another Nixon scandal brewing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, Iran invented the time machine.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i wish is it called the tardis'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's more like a reverse-time machine, bringing the future to you instead of letting you go to the future'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'interesting so instead of ripping a hole in the fabric of time to bring something small forward you bring something large backwards'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ooh!  The US (Davis, CA) is offering made-to-order embryos at $9800 a pop.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Sweet. Bacon and cheese on mine.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in 2007, a clinic in Texas was offering the same thing.  There are no laws against this in 47 states.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why should there be a law against it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what's the definition of made-to-order?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the made-to-order part doesn't involve gene manipulation, except for whatever it takes to combine the egg and sperm to create an embryo.  You cannot buy the perfect blue-eyed, blonde-haired wonderchild, but you can buy prescreened egg and sperm contributions.  So, like, if Angelina Jolie and Zac Effron both got it into their heads to donate their reproductive cells, you could buy an embryo made from those to have a baby untouched by the fucked-up genetics of you and your lovebunny.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'fair enough. '
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Encephalitis lethargica'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you saying if youre not blond w/blue eyes you have fucked up genetics? nice'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I'm saying you can't tailor your kid so finely.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I just don't see what the wigging out is about. It's no different than picking a sperm donor ... really.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'And there are people I'd MUCH rather get an egg from than Angelina'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's zero genetic relation to the parents, though.  Both sperm and the egg would come from someone else, rather than mom and/or dad.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, like adoption ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'would still form the same bonds through carrying the child prob'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'and you'd still mess it up psychologically no matter how good the genes are'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are already infertile couples who conceive with donor embryos ... what's the real difference?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'these made-to-orders would be the first ones made expressly for sale.  Like designer babies without the "evil" GMO stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you think they should be given away for free?'
T3/r7/2013-04-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'seems to me that a service is being provided so payment is in order.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Sabertooth: 'i would like to debate the standing of demoralizing niknames in the workplace'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'go ahead'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Sabertooth: '.....thats as far as i have goten so far...i dident expect a reply :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm,the top hedge fund earner made $2.2 billion in 2012......and was taxed at 15% :p  the tax on capital gains.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but he also gae $280 million to charity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gave even'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got no problem with the CG tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got no problem with the rich'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody reported that the tax on the Facebook earnings were higher than 15%'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the rich are the best stewards of the money... they can use it to make more money, and pay 15%... gove that money to the masses, and they'd piss it away on wide screen TVs'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so your advice is: don't buy wide screen TVs, as that is pissing'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pretty much.  they just facilitate more ass-sitting'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and that they better stop manufacturing those pissant wide screen TVs'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, zucks wasnt a capital gain....his was considered real income.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so he ended up paying $1.1 billion in tax in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's 1.0999999999999999 billion more than any of us paid'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'speak for yourself :('
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not sure that a volatile estimation of transient value is "income"'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'restate, zade?'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how is was 2billion earned an "income" if not a capital gains somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so none of us paid more than $0.0000001 dollars?'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lousy accounting'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you completely miss the point'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me restate... none of us paid any where NEAR 1.1 billion dollars.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, stock option income is considered real income, not a capital gain, cause the options are given to you at a much lower price then the actual value.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you stated that none of us even paid a penny in taxes'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people who fail at math shouldn't be discussing tax structures ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you pay the income tax on them when you call the option, ie pay for the reduced price...and pay the tax on the profit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he bought millions of shares on the day the stock was opened via stock options from facebook for 6 cents each and sold them for much much more.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'making it real income.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the value of Facebook is based upon somebody's estimate of "value" which seems to be what "capital gains" are mostly composed of: estimations (especially when converted to paper cash)'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he saved quite a bit of money doing it in 2012 though....the top rate of income tax went up this year to 39.6 from 35%'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he could have just renounced like his partner Eduardo and saved a lot more'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, eduardo was charged an exit fee to move his wealth offshore.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the real tax rate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'gotta love the IRS though, worldwide taxation is pretty bogus'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but he didnt sell all his shares and leave the country....that would be stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he only sold what he needed to sell.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor had he been living in the US in a hella long time'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he wasn't born here, wasn't raised here, and didn't renounce for the FB opening'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a one-time huge buying-and-selling of shares looks like capital gains, not "income" -- seems he fell into an "interpretation" trap somewhere '
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he only came here to go to school....'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stock options used to be considered a capital gain....the IRS changed the definition.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but leaving stock options as capital gains leaves the door open for abuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'capital gains are supposed to incentivize investing into the economy'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since stock options expire, and the buyer can't sit on them overlong'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and stock options are giving for free....if they paid for them up front it would be a capital gain.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stock options as a part of a pay package are considered real income.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'stocks options entail no risk though'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so pay a dollar for the upfront stock options'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is risking a whole dollar'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still doesnt work that way...the IRS saw through that loophole and closed it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has to be based on the real value of the stock options.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what about buying and selling those stock options from the Caymans'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most companies now just give you stock options based on the current value of the stock.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you get 5 years to redeem them and pay for them, or they expire.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'running Facebook from another country where the tax rate was lower than 15% may've been cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'need to stop worrying about income taxes so much and worry about making the money first. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now that he has $20 billion, he can hire accountants to worry about taxes for him.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '20 billion -- somebody overpaid'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US Supreme Court is debating over the allowing of patents of human genes now.  The ramifications of a judgement in favor of patenting of genes will affect everyone.  Companies already are filing patents on mutations of genes, and not sharing research of such things, plus companies charge extremely high costs for relatively low cost tests for things like cancer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your supreme court is doing a great job of making itself look incompetent'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what with gene patents, passing obamacare as constitutional when clearly it isn't, and most recently, refusing to answer a case that calls the NY gun ban unconstitutional'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well do away with them and put Mr Obama there in a seat rubberstamping his own decisions'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sign a petition to repeal the 1st ammendment! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpHOaW99ST4&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which is the best browser for watching youtube -- they are suggesying i upgrade'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'firefox'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I get pretty sick of "trauma" coverage in the news... this will be bent right, left, turned inside out, disassembled, reassembled... on and on and on and on'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most definitely.  They're far beyond onesie-twosie stuff like this.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and then the debate on what to do over it... do we ban foot racing now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do we ban outside public assembly?'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and of course, the race itself will be renamed the BobTomDickFredJaneSallyJamesJohnJaniceEveryOneEsleWhoGotABooBoo memorial race'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we ban spectators.  Just think of all the damage that could be done in a stadium or in The Masters crowds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and grief councilors are FLOCKING to Boston as we speak to make money off the system'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'surround the players with all kinds of fancy electronics devices and other things you can hide a bomb in, while everyone who's just there to watch can pay for internet access.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and of course... Nike will have to release a fresh line of fragmentation running apparel which will become compulsory'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Air Minesweepers'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for the low, low price of $200 a shoe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of Nike, did you hear about the latest release from them?  A pair of sneakers that cost a paycheck to get.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'foolish... but if no one were to buy them, they wouldn't have made them'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I noted several pair of $400 plus shoes being worn by "free lunch" kids in my kids school last week.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably nicked them, vl'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bombs were undoubtedly bottles of Dr Pepper that had been shaken up violently'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Three liters no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those aren't lethal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'shit.. .even *I* wait at least 1 day before making jokes like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you kidding? there are prizes awarded for the quickest joke to make it to viral'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ooooo'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to modern society'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mentos: The widow maker!'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'What kind of prize did you win for having the least amount of tact so far measured in a human being?'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't win'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people deal with news like that in different ways, some grieve, some get angry, some get morose, other bury their heads in the sand, others try to find humour'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 36 million tons of carrots were grown in 2012.....half by China.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'do you think people carrot all? :D'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a lot of happy chinese donkies'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'We've got a carrot gap with China. :('
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best tax rabbits then'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, Riz is just one man...he can't be everywhere at once.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not so sure of that'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the original carrot came from Iran.......'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Medicine Man is a good film.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so is Team America'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Team America was better than Baseketball, at least.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Team America is one of those films that, if you didn't find it funny, you need to continue the medication you're on'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'humor does not equate to quality, however.  An awful film can still be funny, and a great comedy can be not particularly funny.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'raunchy mannequin softcore is pretty funny, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'marionettes, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'wasn't it hardcore?'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not hardcore if you don't see a hard dick.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, even though they depicted the scene as a typical porn scene, the marionettes weren't anatomically correct.  It's about as hardcore as the sex montage from Good Luck Chuck.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder how many cures for diseases have been lost to logging in the Amazon Jungle.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '10'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mis jesus im queen of mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'less rainforest, less rain....imagine that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'A Chinese boat crashed into a protected coral reef in a national marine park and world heritage site last week.  Inside, the Coast Guard found 22,000 pounds of meat...from a protected species.'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei shakes his head.
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bbq time!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tizar: 'What's up?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hey!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'errata from two days prior:'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the song "Signs" was (famous) by "Five Man Electrical Band" and not "Electric Light Orchestra" -- (ELO seems a mostly hype band, and unable to recall anything memorable by ELO)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '("Xanadu" was not memorable)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unable to verify (on Wikipedia) that the song "Flowers on the Wall" by the "Stattler Brothers" came out originally as the "Wonderwho" on the 45rpm (in Australia or GB).  The "Wonder Who" groupname was used by The Four Seasons" '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Wonderwho or WonderWho is spelt differently to the Wonder Who -- read somewhere that the Stattler Brothers were not pleased that the their song came out mislabelled as the Wonderwho. '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a lot of information that is absent from the internet (and Wikipedia), especially with the censorship.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege hears the sound of line zinging from the Zebco® real and the sound of BAIT plopping into the water
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '=)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Something in the Air" by "Thunderclap Newman" (a one-hit-wonder-band) was written specifically for the film "The Magic Christian" '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Something in the Air" was originally titled "Revolution" but was changed to avoid conflict with the Beatles song "Revolution"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Something in the Air" is also more apt, since the song was played by the group near the *smelly* sewer scene near the end of the film "The Magic Christian", where lots of money was dropped into and mixed into sewage and the public was invited to jump in for the "free money", which they did.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The Magic Christian" was an extremely cynical film, perhaps too cynical -- did not receive good reviews'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'however, the song "Somehing in the Air" became famous -- catchy tune, great instrumentals, good lyrics'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and sounds far far better in analog than digital'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Peter Townshend of The Who produced the song "Something in the Air"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that the PH of currently healthy ocean water is at around 8.2 which is slightly alkaline (if ph 7 is neutral)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with the increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere dissolving into the Ocean waters, the ph is dropping to 7.9 is some ocean areas'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the increased CO2 acidity (lowered PH) and slightly increased temperature of the tropical oceans is conjectured as some of the main reasons that some of the Coral Reefs are dying'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the ecodiversity of the tropical oceans is said to be in the coral regions'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the worst acidification of the oceans seems to be in the seas around Great Britain'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the oceans remove a lot of the CO2 from the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the oceans die, then the atmospheric CO2 shall increase even further, permitting the atmosphere to become even more efficient at absorbing solar energy'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in middle Canada, last autumn and early winter was warmer than usual (lots of warming). This spring is very cold (lot of CO2 preventing warming of the polar regions -- but that missing warmth is being absorbed somewhere south of Canada)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did Wikipedia summarise the recent news yet'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think they have a page up describing how the bush dynasty orchestrated the carnage and destruction in Boston'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was completly sarcastic, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'wow, the crazies work pretty fast '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'wow, the crazies work pretty fast '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'sorry for repeat'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have never really paid attention to the Boston Marathon, but watching the news coverage, I was AMAZED at the number of Dandy-boys participating.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so, doing a Wikipedia search for Boston Bush Carnage'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can... but I just made that up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Security has been tightened for Margaret Thatcher's funeral, which will occur in London on April 17'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'two days befor the London Marathon'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'but what could they do to her? she's already dead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'desecration'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'IF it IS connected to SWA... Desecratoin is a pretty sweet target for them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... westerns would get pretty indignant.. but really don't care that much.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's like you say... "she's already dead"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there WILL be alot of world leaders on hand, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that would make a very tempting target'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'very true'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(in a Monty Python reporter voice): "there will be alot of world leaders on hand (to verify that she is actually dead)."'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege chuckles
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my city has 124 municipal workers (guys that do road maintenance, mow grass, pick up the leaves you rake, etc...) 9 of them called in sick this morning claiming PTSD from the Boston Bombing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh please, fire them and hire new people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that aspect of our culture could definitly use some reform.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but alas... they will get weeks of sick leave, and tens-of-thousands of dollars of therapy'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'von: is your city near boston?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not even close'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't have exact numbers.. but I know of at least three guys on that crew who REALLY DID get blown up in SWA.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but they're on the job'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's all about milking (bilking) the system'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if a million people pulled that same stunt across the country, and just ONE was legit, and went 'untreated', the fall out would be monumental!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Vonliege is suggesting that the 9 that called in sick for PTSD be institutionalised and "treated" '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not at all... I am indicating that they are in all likely hood not affected in the way they claim'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am calling them shammers, cheats and frauds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if their claim is valid... then they are just plain weak, and ought to be removed from the gene pool'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but Vonliege, you stated that leaving even one "untreated" maybe be "monumental" in fall out'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'either way, perhaps the real problem is that society allows them to play their game with NO shame... they ought to be ASHAMED... either at being frauds, or at being so weak... either way'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it WOULD have huge fall out... and I think that is really sad that it would'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They should have to go see the doctor on their own dime....and if they actually do have ptsd......then coverage can cover it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then we can see if they really have ptsd.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but Riz... that's what is so insidious about the whole scam... it is very difficult to DISPROVE PTSD.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is also extremely hard to prove it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the lawsuit would take years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually it's difficult to disprove PTSD in an ethical manner'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if you don't worry about ethics, it's fairly easy'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't need to prove it, so there wouldn't be a lawsuit'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'light off a firecracker behind them?>'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the4 problem with that "see a shrink" approach is that totally-sane-folk are likely to be brainwashed that there "sick" merely so that the shrink may increase the earnings'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, you fire their asses, and then they sue for wrongfull termination, but they would have to prove the termination was wrongful by proving they had ptsd.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'exposing them to various external stimulation and measuring variables such as galvanic skin response, etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ptsd doesn't have anything to do with external stimulation'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'scientology!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you're not coming anywhere near disproving'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught boggles at you. 
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as a combat veteran, I get to state that there are A LOT of veterans claiming PTSD for the money that don't have anything CLOSE to PTSD. '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'maybe you should educate yourself on the topic before trying to debate it'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I agree, onslaught...you should'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's an automatic 75% disability retirement of you can get a doctor to sign off on it'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if you want to sound ignorant, carry on'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ptsd isn't just a loud bang issue...there are many forms of ptsd'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and most of it is bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes there are. of course I didn't say "loud bang"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are as many forms of PTSD as there are foot fungus... it's the "mental illness" of the week.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess the main problem is you're not reading what I actually type'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, I'm reading what you type, and you're making assumptions which simply aren't correct'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt more then 1-2% of the cases are real'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the loud bang example was said by vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'You say "external stimulation" means "loud bang" and *I* am the one making assumptions?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people are able to cope with things quite well, otherwise as a specied we would have died out a long time ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was me'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'are you actually on the same channel here?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I made the 'fire cracker' crack'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, onslaught, I'm not making assumptions, I'm merely carrying on a conversation with more people than just you :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'forget reading what I type.. are you reading your own bullshit?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good to see that you can't keep up with any of it'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well it's fairly easy to keep comments from different people straight'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you see our names are clearly identified to the left'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'obviously it isn't for you'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since you seem to think that I'm not allowed to respond to more than just you'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure you are'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'obviously I'm not, as anything I say that references something someone else said is me not understanding YOU'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just don't direct your responses concerning other peoples' comments toward me'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and you'll be fine'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pat (Overlord) Onslaught on his head.
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh thank God!  Grief councilors have arrived in Boston!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has anyone considered the insinuation of Obama's "full wieght of justice" comment?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it could be taken to mean "he will enjoy all the benifits and protection afforded by the American justice system"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what's to consider, it's a pretty standard comment with no hidden meanings'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it couldn't (at least not by anyone who's not a moron)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'who is "he"? they find a suspect?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all sunshine and butterfly farts, I see, Abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a real joy to have you around'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'bah, Abelinc and his rel-life logic'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'this is supposed to be the conspiracy theory channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/15/with-absolutely-no-evidence-alex-jones-calls-boston-marathon-explosions-a-false-flag-operation-conducted-by-the-govt/'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm sure Tigernuts is going... uhh... nuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'SHEEPLE SHEEPLE SHEEPLE'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We have the technology to build a generational ship to go to other planets if we had to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we have the tech to colonize the solar system. Problem is you'd have to get just about everyone to cooperate in the endeavor'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some scientists estimate that the Andromeda galaxy is scheduled to collide with the milky way in 3 billion years'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh.. it's not really an estimate'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not that it will matter...our solar system will be gone long before that happens.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'besides "collide" is a misnomer. There's so much empty space between stars that the chance of having them actually hit each other is extremely low'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some scientists are planning to move the whole planet earth out to a further orbit'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to have to move mars also :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I don't recall ever being attacked in a GQ...I'm sure it's happened, just not often enough that I'd even think about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the way that the UK media has been masturbating over the DHS today has been entirely puke-making'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pre-damage control?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is a pretty big race in London Sat'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea. My working theory from what's come out is either the DHS had prior knowledge and were unable to stop the event, or the DHS had prior knowledge because they were complicit. Bombers appear to be Saudi nationals in US under prefential channel visa.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I wouldn't be surprised if they were CIA assets either proper as double agents, or triple agents double crossing their CIA masters'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, it's being hopelessly overegged in the media, i mean, it's shocking, but really, 3 dead - more die every weekend in our cities from murders'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a little too deep (and tin-hatty) for me to get into, tiger'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's why i split it into what's known, and what i'm guessing will be the case'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'last I was told... the saudi in the hospital has all but been ruled out as a suspect, and is being treated as a witness... not even a 'person of interest''
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 7/7 bombing crew were MI6 assets that double-crossed MI6'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the 9/11 hijackers were trained on US soil by US troops'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so there's form, but like you imply, this is all extrapolation, we have no guaranteed facts as yet'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only 1 guy at the hospital, 2 taken off a plain, and another guy's home being raided'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '9/11 were trained by US flight schools... not troops.  There's never been any evidence to support that'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the person training them at flight school was whom?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and why would US troops be training pilots... troops don't know anything about flying'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the CIVILIAN flight trainer could have been a PRIOR military pilot... but then more than 50% of CIVILIAN flight instructors ARE prior military service... includeing MYSELF'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got to flip the pork chops'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost peers intently at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back...'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on you, TN'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe he had porkchops to flip, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Defense Department said Mr. Atta had gone to the International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mr. al-Omari to the Aerospace Medical School at Brooks Air Force Base in Texas, and Mr. al-Ghamdi to the Defense Language Institute at the Presidio in Monterey, Calif. '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally, i'd like to see cctv footage of Boston'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty typical that certain left-wing white house propoganda arms are trying to inject the phrases "patriot" and "tea party" as talking points into the Boston bombings'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my gut is that this is going to go back to domesic sources.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of domestic source'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on that, I don't exactly have a particular feeling... could go domestic islamic... domestic right... I think there will be connections made to SWA in some manner.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'swa?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if nothing else, the instructions for making the devices'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Southwest Asia'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or:  The Middle East'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, we're in the middle of a war on guns.  It'll probably be a resurgent militia spin.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd love that, i hope it isn't though'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in which case, it would be domestic right'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'even the michigan militia has links to islamic bomb-making sites... it's good information - if you're into that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but the bigger worry is that the perception would be that already-armed militias are incorporating more options into their arsenals.  To get at them, the feds will probably push through a broader gun ban and maybe kick off serious confiscation efforts under the guise of desperate containment (in effect, anyone with a gun is linked to the terror militia).'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll probably roll out tsa checkpoints and the military on the streets first'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... both sides will always try to spin an event to advance their own agenda. '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh oh, international terrorists are smuggling tobacco from virginia to NYC.....lets just blame the international terrorists for everything....would make it simpler.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the gun-control side really thought they had a winner with sandyhook.  turned out they didn't have near enough momentum.  Maybe they will use this to try and get over the hump'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someone stole your bike?  Must have been an international terrorist!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, military encampment of the homeland will be exceptionally disastrous.  Not saying they won't get to that point, but they're definitely not going to do it early.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think i'll stick to my guess of saudi or middle-eastern national here legally'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they'll use the NG, though.  that is almost a certainty.  But it will be in a "traffic control" capacity'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could go that way, TN.  sure could.  I'm sticking with domestic, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was just amused at the wanking over the DHS, there's been no attack not because they're effective, but because there hasn't been a credible threat'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as absurd as it is, NG is perceived as not-military.  Nobody will like having the NG out like that, but it won't be seen as an outright overreach.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"You have no idea what's in the fake chinese tobacco product," says David Sutton, a spokesman for Altria, which makes Marlboro and other cigarettes.  Hello?  Because of your secrecy, we have no idea what is in your tobacco products anyways!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, it looks like the Bilderberg group's meeting location has been pinned down'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'smoking is good for you!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the bombs were made mostly for scare effect, rather than kill potential.  I just don't see the jihadis trying to aim for mere scare tactics, particularly when most if not all of their work has been particularly lethal. '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'One wonders..given how well known the Bilderberger group is: Who are the real powers behind the throne, and where do they meet?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obama wants to raise the federal tax on tobacco to 94 cents per pack.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bombs were made with what was to hand, hans'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get elaborate bombs made by novices'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That would add another $1 to the cigarette pack cost.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'counterfeit tobacco products are more lucrative than cocaine or meth now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'to 94 cents or by 94 cents?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, it didnt elaborate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ah, a tax hike of 94 cents'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'federal tobacco tax.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the fed tax is already $1.01 per pack'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and in other news, indian reservations becoming increasingly popular tourist destinations. trunks suspiciously full when leaving.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'marijuana cigarettes.....mmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmmmmm rizgoth mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, they're secretly carting out casino money so they can apply for bigger handouts from the Department of Indian Affairs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in Norway, the tobacco tax is just over 40 cents per cigarette'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hah, and you thought cigarettes were bad for you! :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn! the smugglers would love norway then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the cigarette tax in the UK is roughly 2x what it should be'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the market isnt that big in norway, unlike the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so it probably isnt worth it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, a louisiana parish is likely to ban skirts in a bill aimed to combat the saggy-jeans look.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is obama's excuse for the hike on cigarettes? is he planning on putting the cash into medicaid?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's tobacco, does it really matter?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a case for taxes on cigarettes in the UK, you don't really have the same excuse in the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'plus property taxes, cabin or no'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'taxes on cigarettes is a money grab, here.  Simply because it has a somewhat negative social image'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so it goes through'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a HUGE money grab - which I don't really have a problem with.  I use chewing tobaco, but if it got too expensive, I would quit (which I guessI've been saying for a while, now).  It's good revenue - plain and simple'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree with tax on cigarettes up and above the cost to public health service as a matter of ideology - the purpose of tax is not to engineer society'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if there were ever a flat-type tax, I'd hope that booze and tobaco were taxed at a higher rate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is there really any engineering going on, though?  people will just pay the price for vises.  VERY few people let cost detere them from smoking'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who smoke are more likely to be on welfare'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'refrase that'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people on welfare are more likely to smoke cigarettes'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'err... I can spell... rephrase that'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll go along with that one... semantics, I know... but the former is less tru than the latter'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this case a->b implies b->a'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, excessive tax = bad idea'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'weren't the tobacco companies sued by the government 10-15 years ago?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise we could tax the shit that spews out of democrats mouths'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was some government action, but the suits were mostly private'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just thought the government forced them to hand over a bunch of money'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it amounted to the government standing off to the side with its hands on its hips trying to direct both sides'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... there was a bit of that.  but it was more along the lines of the government enforcing the courts decision'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'big tobaco, when told by the courts to pay, pretty much said "make me"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm trying to find it, but I could swear that they eventually were forced to put money into what was suppose to basically be some type of trust fund or whatnot.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'to be used for education, health care, etc. or something of the such'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'maybe I'm mis-remembering'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I recollect something along those lines as well... but it was not an open-ended trust.  It was specific to THAT decision'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'found my figures now. 2011-12, UK got 9.5bn gbp in revenue was fags. the cost of smoking on the NHS was 2.7bn (not even accounting for the 10-40yr lag on cancer matestising and the fact that usage has dropped over that time) - even if you take the figure that includes dubious one-sided social costs, it's only 5.2bn'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was not established, if I recall correctly, as a means to pay out to victim from now until the end of time - it was merely the mechanisim by which those specific plaintifs were paid'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so when a smoker in the UK claims they're subsidising other people, they're quite justified'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the other hand, fags here are $11 for 20'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'expaciate'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't, job done'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'they run around that here in CA as well - standard 25 pack runs 13-15 bucks'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that's about what they pay in NY'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pack of 20 cigarettes in NYC is $12'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what point do you need expaciated?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, I think you're right Vonliege, looks like they were forced to pay out like 200 billion or something to the states, over 25 years.  It went into an escrow account or something of the such'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'germans pay alot for american cigs... $20-$25 a pack.. but that is pure tariff'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can buy em in Virginia for $5 a pack.....drive em up to NYC and sell em $9 pack.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't, that's tax fraud'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can or should... semantics'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hahahahahaha, 60% of tobacco products sold in NYC are not taxed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people do that here with booze and fags from the continent'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cigars and snuff?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not snuff, the tax is much lower.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but cigars and cigarettes'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'loose tobaco, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'get outside a city, and you find that cig use goes down, and snuff/loose sales go up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most folks in the US equate tobaco 100% with cigs. the convienince store down at the corner here sells less than 50% cigs... lots of black and tan-type cigars, and A LOT of chew/snuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I used to love a good cigar....everytime the alaska permanent dividend check arrived, I would go buy a $20 cigar.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you live in AK?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will the anti-gun bill pass the congress?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'used to, grew up there.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'going to move back?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably not, the weather is too harsh.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<sigh> you break my heart... you're not supposed to get the dividend... you have to have intent to return'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont get the dividend :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh.. past tense'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my family took it for two years while I was stationed there... plenty of military keep it their whole life, and never even go back for a visit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you do have to prove you live in the state to qualify :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only time it was ever challenged was when a fellow from TN won a US congresional seat.  They asked him about it then.  He stopped it, but didn't pay back the 27 years worth he'd been drawing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was a former AF guy'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was stationed at ellis'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, they do compare the amount of checks sent out to how many registered alaskans there are.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's pretty easy to set up a mail drop for your check... and plenty of folks use the dividend to visit Alaska for a vacation every year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they caught one person and made them pay back all the money plus a lot of interest, and almost threw him in jail.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'non-military?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'didnt say'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should be limit of 2-3 years on military'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'many states have a no-renewal for driver's licenses if you are active military... Alaska treats the dividend much the same way... you get a pass on proof as long as your active duty'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or better yet, just put the limit like on going to college....4 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then you have to prove you came back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and a suprising number of military, once stationed in AK, DO return to AK after retirement'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, if you are active military, that is fine'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but alot of military folks shamelessly suck down the check with no intention of returning'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not many active military alaskans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are more canadians in the US army than Alaskans'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but if you were active military and not alaskan, and transfered to alaska, you should only get the check while you are in alaska....and not when you are transfered away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but with an average anual population of what... 880,000?  there's not many to join'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about 700k'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you have to claim alaska as your home state to get the dividend (need an alaskan DL)... so once your are an alaskan resident, you get the dividened.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you can't really treat an alskan resident more harshly just because they are in the military'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't get dividends in the UK, we just get butt raped everytime we open our paycheck'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you understand about the alskan dividend, TN?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riz has mentioned it before'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, why become an alaskan resident if you were transfered to the state?  Do people always become a resident of the state they transfer too?  Or is it because of the dividend ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back when the alaskan pipeline went in, the state took the revenue from the first year, and put it into a dividend bearing fund... the dividends is what gets payed out to the alaskans every year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are a number of reasons, Ris....'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'first among them is state income tax.. alaska's got none....'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I entered the military from MN... it was 6 years befor I was stationed in TN, and became a TN resident so that I woulnd't have to send 11.5% of my pay back to MN.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the alaska perm fund divident is worth about $40 billion now, earns almost the state budget in earnings from investments each year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er the fund itself.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the case of alaska, it's even better!  no income tax AND you get cash back.. and who doesn't like "cash back?"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in fact, I held my Alaska Driver's license until last year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it had the picture of a much much younger man, but it was still valid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a % of revenue from oil and gas goes into the perm fund each year, and a % of the interest avged over 5 years becomes the dividend.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as the economy tanked, so did the dividend avg :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think it was around $800 last year, not sure.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'first year we got $1,550 per head... second year, we got $1,020... not sure what it is now'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the first year of the dividend, we got $1000, then it dropped to about $300 :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was around 1999/2000, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 2008 the dividend was the highest amount ever.....something like $2600'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the alaska perm fund owns a lot of real estate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's alot to own'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the dividend is important to a lot of rural people in Alaska.....a family of four can easily get $3-5k a year just from the dividend.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why that natgas pipeline NEEDS to be built.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are plenty of folks that ride their sled to town in OCT and buy a years worth of salt, sugar and tobaco... then poof!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prudhoe bay has about 80 tcf of natgas that could be exported to Asia for good money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a bit dated, but still handy for pairing up weaopns'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I miss the summers of canning hundreds of red salmon though :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or freezing king and dungie crab that we caught in the pots.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on a boat?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, 2 skiffs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as an alaska native we can catch 200 fish per day for subsistence.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'salmon that is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'combat salmon fishing at the opener'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or head out to whale pass near kodiak alaska in between kodiak and afognak island, and do some halibut fishing...'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'battered with malt vinagar!'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'beer battered :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is the debate channel... NO BEER BATTER'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'buttermilk batter is better.... bet ya'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or in the summer, do some free diving near the port of kodiak, to get some sea urchins and cucumbers to sell to the japanese businessmen who arrive to see how their boats are.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'used to make $20 an urchin back in high school :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we caught a tuna up in kodiak once.....the fish must have gotten lost.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'caught a 15 foot salmon shark in our salmon net once....had a shark bbq for the whole bay that night.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and easy = fun... hard = need to get paid'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'o.0'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT = Miss-tell'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"the Boston bombing was in fact a 'false flag' operation sponsored by the CIA"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'better hope you are right, otherwise probably a top ten dick statement to make'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm going with Twyst on this one lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"The Man on the Roof and 4 Other Conspiracy Theories Surrounding the Boston Bombings"......'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/16/the-man-on-the-roof-and-4-other-conspiracy-theories-surrounding-the-boston-bombings/'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'I heard there were warning signs'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'someone yelled timber before the rocks started to fall'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: '*nod self*'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Optimus Cosmi: 'too soon?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'come on... you insinuated that I was a "Dick?"  '
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's... well... "zade-like"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how was that an insinuation?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not getting into it... "hair splitters" are as bad as trolls'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a new hardsuit that allows a diver to go up to 1000 feet down.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with close to full range of motion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'splitting hairs implies a fine difference, but yeah keep on keeping on'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'ROFL at the last one: Boston Bombing is a hoax'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like the first one... "man on the roof"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Bomb sniffing dogs??? definitely a sign the CIA is involved *rolls eyes*'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that one ppoints to the "had a warning" conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate I don't think it mentioned the CIA... just indicates that "someone dropped the ball"'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but hey... EVERYONE who can get next to a microphone on this one is going to spin it'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'DHS is my homie.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DHS could have been so noble and effective and just dang AMERICAN... but nooooo... they're just a fat, bloated, government Bureaucracy that abuses their power to get more power without actually doing what it was they were created to do.  Like a self-replicating nanobot-virus'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you have it on a large enough circuit?'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it required that one takes one's meds before starting a debate. The mouth-foaming harms screens.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos peers intently at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... sorry for that mis-tell ealier... I am sure that the apparent randomness of it completly baffled everyone - considering how rational, considerate, and insightfull I am all other times.'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what about'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'polution, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'waiting for Zarra'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... maybe another time'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'real but also making the earths natural cycle accelerated'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like to pour my oil into the aquifer'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pour your waste oil on wetlands... it controls mosquitos'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Didnt the EPA suggest that in the old days'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'true statement in a 1960's government information pamphlet'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pre-dates the EPA'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was distributed by the USDA'
T3/r7/2013-04-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'it would be funny if it werent so sad'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Has anyone visited rhe Islamic web magazine "Inspire" that is being shown on the news lately?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no?  I suspect that you will have to try a little bit to find it.  Besides a Wikipedia page with links, it seems to be a bit supressed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '[the Boston bombings are] "proof that those automatic spending changes [sequestration] negatively impacted the intelligence community."'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did all the networks report the "non-arrest"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Lexington have yoinked permit for a pro-second ammendment rally on patriots day'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arseholes'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sheesh, they're just asking to be bombed!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lexington is pretty conservative'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are they were leant on'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I doubt there is true nefarious intent... but then again, there is the PRECEPTION of nefarious intent'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what it is is conceding defeat to the terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as is all the publicity'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"amature video footate of the event MAY contain images of a person or persons who MAY have seen the person or persons who MAY have planted the bomb"... I love MSNBC'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some guys have been going over all the photos and footage with a toothcomb'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's standard operating procedure.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '(fine tooth... we say 'fine tooth comb')... do you say 'tooth comb' in UK?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there some spurious evidence that Navy Seals may be involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is*'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't even start'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/cbgoq8e   http://tinyurl.com/c8u8nl9'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just links to the work these other guys have been doing'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know Alex Jones has proof that Margret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan were gay lovers, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'letter addressed to President Obama tested positive for Risin'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AT the whitehouse'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this on the heals of a similar letter sent to a senator'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think Risin is pretty easy to create... dangerous, though'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'based on a mold spore or fungus, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... it's from the castor oil plant'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thought it came from like the poppy seed or something?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nasty stuff, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '"Ricin (pron.: /?ra?s?n/), from the castor oil plant Ricinus communis, is a highly toxic, naturally occurring protein."'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'HEY!  you wikied it TOO!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is fine.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the baja 1000 race has decided to add a new division, financed by the drug cartels of mexico......Whoever gets a 100 lb box into mexico wins a special prize of $10,000'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't they make an air-racing movie about that?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no icea'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'idea even'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, I believe they did.  It had three nice-looking young flyboys who looked like they could star on the remake of 90210.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one knows but the 100 box is filled with $100 bills....about $4.6 million worth. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's to stop the racers from opening or otherwise just driving off with the money?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because they will think it is just a box of rocks or whatever......*hums to self*'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'good luck convincing them to add more weight to their racers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You actually think this is serious eh? :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, but I saw no reason not to continue the conversation. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good man!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's going on in Boston now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The govt decided to turn it into a penal city.....all the drug users are going to be sent there.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the price of bluefin tuna is skyrocketing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guess it will be going extinct soon thanks to european fishermen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hospital and courthouse evacuated, code red bomb threat apparently'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am going to sue Dupont®'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bluefin is the really good tuna that they're trying to pass yellow tuna off as?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate dupont® is a chemical company'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dupont is investing $5 billion in new upgrades to its US based chemical plants since natgas is so cheap here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am a real wreck of the Boston bombing.  It made me miss brushing my teeth this morning.  one of the pressure cookers that were used in the bombing had a teflon coating.  Dupont® invented teflon.  I am suing dupont.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the IRA used to fart bigger bombs than the Boston one'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and Brach Candy Company... I'm suing them too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not really werthers the time to sue brach.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because they make Boston Baked Beans.  Now when I see Boston Baked Beans in the store, I can only recall that time I didn't brush my teeth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congrats, USA is sending more troops to Jordan'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... I see what you did there... clever... I'll sue werther's too'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what about Johnson and Johnson or whomever makes your toothpaste?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Procter and Gamble®... I'll sue them for not having a "time to brush your teeth" alarm built into the tube'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I'll sue the super market where I bought the toothpaste for not having a warning label posted at eye level'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the warning label was at eye level for a 7' tall man... not MY eye level'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'done with the sueing rant'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya know... early on, I was looking for an IRA connection to the bombing'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Boston being about the most Irish town outside of Irland'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was in Dublin one time.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you kiss the blarney stone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we crashed a helicopter during a POTUS mission.  Had to go investigate the crash'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... I saw the one in Shamrock, TX, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'divebombing little green people, eh?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'shifty bastards... did you know they burrow?  I didn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boat diesel cheaper than car diesel here, same with agricultural diesel'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, mis'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we get a 55¢ break on "off road" diesel'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn japanese are stealing all our bluefin tuna!  They buy almost 95% of bluefin tuna caught in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and China's making the mink-fur industry boom.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you catch a bluefin tuna in the US, sell it to a broker for up to $25 a lb, and they in turn overnight ship it to Japan.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the background check bill failed to pass the Senate....'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now we can get rid of the ones who did vote for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though satan's right hand man, Harry Reid is now pushing Internet Sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, that is inevitable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially as more business moves online.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'honestly, i think satan would probably pick someone a little bit more murderous than harry reid, too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he picks whomever he can get'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'for his right hand man? come on, that's gotta be one evil dude.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has many right hand mans :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, the right hand man isnt the evil one....the beast is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'you could argue that harry reid is misguided, or foolish, maybe even a -little- evil, but definitely not the devil's right hand sort of material.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'how many right hands does the devil have, then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about that he's shit, and a terrible excuse for a republican?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he is just doing what he thinks is right, but not doing what his constituents want...I seriously doubt nevada business wants a federal sales tax on internet goods.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i'd accept that he's shit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while it sucks, it's odd that this is one area where the feds DO have jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlike most of the other trash they've been coming up with lately, like obamacare and gun bills'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'casino harry is a democrat....'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crap democrat at that'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'casino harry needs to retire, and let a youngster take his seat....'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only you guys can sort that out'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my only problem with a background check for guns is....it has to be done for EVERY gun you buy each time......so if you buy a damn gun every month...you have to have a background check done every month.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and creates a gun registry, and nothing happened as a result of failing a check'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt create a registry, because otherwise they wouldnt need to do the damn background check EVERY purchase :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it creates a gun registry of every gun for which a background check is done'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always argued for a gun-owner license instead'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'achieves the same aims without the need for a gun registry'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the concealed gun license could cover all forms of firearms.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could keep all of your gun certs in one database'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or to make it simpler, add it to drivers licenses......'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, some would want one and not the other'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they aready have crap like needing contact licenses or organ donation on it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, cause it would be an add to the drivers license, if you dont want it, you dont have it on your license.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if you don't have a driving license?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then it goes on your id.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you cant get a concealed weapons permit without an id or drivers license anyways. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what id?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US produces more trash then any other nation.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'are you talking about our TV, or our refuse?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and California has the largest mega dump in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'called Los Angeles'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '100 million tons of trash is in place right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder what kind recyclables are in that dump.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is running out of dump space......we are filling em up too fast....and new dumps are not opening up fast enough.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what the hell is wrong with our conngress'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'less than our senate?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'What isnt wrong with our congress?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, that's a useless question, Moonpies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'haha but seriously why in hell would they vote down the compromise act or whatever it is called i am really pissed off'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the one with the universal background checks?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'We don't need universial backround checks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'We allready have backround checks when you buy a gun at a store.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because it's unenforceable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i've heard the argument that the government is actually better off being extremely inefficient. like, the less it can accomplish the less likely it is to screw things up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's more of a balancing act.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'and all it did was extend the current backround checks already in place and yes we do but you can buy them online or at a gunshow so your saying that you would let criminals and mentally ill people buy guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what do you mean you cant enforce them'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'newsflash: they're already buying the guns.  Mostly out of car trunks in church parking lots.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'so it may be better for congress not to function because it allows problems to work themselves out naturally, rather than become worse through government intervention.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'maybe so but it would limit how easy you can get them legally'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I dare you to go to a "gun show" with your hat backwards and a bunch of gang tatoos. Noone is going to sell you shit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which does absolutely nothing to the overall ease of buying a gun in general.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'You have to be a "good ol boy" and walk and talk outdoorsmen to buy a gun at these shows'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Adam Lanza was NOT able to buy guns at the gun show he went to for example. Hell I doubt I could even get one. But I could go to a shop and buy one without much trouble. Because it's my right to be able to.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lanza's mother is too blame, she bought him the guns, the books on guns, the videos on guns, whatever he wanted that had to do with guns, even though she knew he was mentally unstable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'applying "gun control" logic, there should now be a background check for all pressure cookers'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and backpacks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And pornz.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those too'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which brings us back to the question - "how much government is enough?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well Adam is to blame first and foremost. But yes his mom made poor choices with her son. Most divorced mothers do. Not quite like this however. What happened at Newtown was an exception to what goes on in everyday America and the laws that liberals want to pass have nothing to do with preventing violence or reduceing crime.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'About three ladles and satchel, good sir!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the FAA shouldnt be paying for the traffic controllers at small airports, let the companies that park their CEO jets at them pay higher fees to pay for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the FAA should cover those cities where the existence of adequate flight control and IFR approaches has a significant impact on the ecconomy of the city, and a critical effect on general flight safety'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'screw the economy affect, if it affects the economy THAT much, let the city pay more for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I tried to be an Air Traffic Controller once.  :('
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I still have horrible nightmares about it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the trouble with your postion is that there is no "top" to it... why not privatize the ENTIRE air structure of the nation?  let the airlines pay for everything?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are thousands of small unnecessary airports around the country, and the people who use them need to pay more to use them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and how does that NOT apply to JFK, or ATL, or LAX?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "let the people who use them..." part'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am talking airports that have less then 150,000 annual operations, not the ones that gets 10s of millions.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you see.. it is just a matter of scale... '
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most small airports just outside LAX cater to CEOs, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same for many other airports just outside big ones.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what about the tiny airports that are 300 miles away from the ATLs, JFK, and LAXs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if they are under 150,000 operations per year, cut the air traffic operator budget, let the county pay more of the bill if they want one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'otherwise let the pilots do it, since they are trained how.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '-'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and how it used to be.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my home town has no air traffic controller and there hasnt been an accident in 50 years, but it gets much less then 150,000 operations per year....more like 1 commercial flight a day, the rest is smaller stuff, and about 5 a day.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I completly disagree.  the flight safety issue alone is justification enough to keep these small airports open'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'call me when you guys are talking about guns again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you ever been ejected from the front window of a car in a crash?'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fine, send a check to the FAA for $150,000...thanks :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I have seen a child ejected through the front windshield in a crash.  There's something to make you hate people. :/'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if YOU have never been ejected from a car in a crash, then YOU don't ever have to wear a seatbelt again.. but for the other 200-300 odd million drivers in the US, it's still a good idea.. For the pilot, those small airports with attended radar, and IRF approaches are LIFESAVERS for emergencies'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if there were only JFKs, ATLs and LAXs in the country, there would be precious few places for a pilot to put down when he finds himself in the clouds with one engine out.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you still dont need an air traffic controller sitting in the tower 23 hours a day drinking.'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 150 airports just lost their ATC, woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .you do'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no attendant - no GSR - no GSR, to IFR approach'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you think it is that important, go have a bloody bake sale. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and rehire the ATC'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love a good Texan bake sale!'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's not even rational... if it bothers YOU so much... got bomb all the "unneccesary towers"'
T3/r7/2013-04-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Abu Dhabi has $860 billion in its sovereign acct, as of 2011.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, a fertilizer plant in Texas exploded.....up to 70 people or so could be dead....6 confirmed dead so far, including 2 EMS and 3 firemen.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: '... :('
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'witnesses said the explosion looked like a nuclear bomb going off.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'how many nuclear explosions had those witnesses seen?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'can see them all the time on TV.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mushroom cloud, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a nursing home with 133 residents was located directly next door to the plant.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the explosion destroyed homes that were nearby, killing animals inside, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A singapore company claims to have created a IIA diamond in the lab.....the purest diamond classification used for investment grade diamonds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'what's an investment grade diamond, if you don't mind educating me?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'diamonds for commercial use?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'investment grade are pure, ie flawless'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only real use for diamonds are industrial anyways, and those are created ones.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wedding diamonds are not IIa'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'yeah, i read an article about that some time ago. artifical diamonds are too perfect so they're useless retail. thanks. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you wont buy IIa diamonds at a jewelry shop, they cost to much.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but they hold thier value, unlike wedding diamonds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Then it's a good thing if they can be created.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'i read that they're actually totally worthless to jewelers, though. like, jewelers won't even buy them. the article might have been spun by the jewelry industry though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'maybe 1-2% of natural diamonds are IIa.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'IIA diamonds are only used for investments.....you go to a diamond supplier and buy them and put them in a vault forever....then if you need cash, you sell some.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Investing in diamonds seems like a really really bad idea to me... it's just a question of time until they can be created for low cost and then all diamonds will plunge in value.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'well, they have commercial and industrial uses as well so they're useful in manufacturing and production.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd agree, except the value in diamonds is fairly artificially inflated anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'IIa natural diamonds are not used in industry.....they make industrial diamonds for that now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cubic zirconiums.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, like all things that are valuable just because they are rare.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that's just it, diamonds aren't as rare as people think'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'diamonds are artificially rare because of DeBeers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But diamonds are just carbon atoms.. so the raw materials are not rare.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Rizgoth, i thought that's what we were talking about, artifical diamonds for industrial use. Singapore did something different?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'singapore created a IIa diamond that is the same as a natural IIa, industrial diamonds are not IIa'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Okay, i thought -all- naturally occuring diamonds had some level of flaw created by stress or impurity, and that's what differentiated them from artifical diamonds. That's not the case?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would cost to much to make industrial diamonds IIa, so they prefer to make less perfect diamonds for industrial use....just as good, just not as beautiful :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least until this singapore company said they figured out a cheaper process to make industrial IIa diamonds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if that is the case, it will be harder to distinquish the real from the manmade, and the investment grade will go away.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'they're doing it in bricks? it's sooooo cool to see a brick made of pure diamond from a manufacturing facility.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That would be a pretty useless brick, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd rather take a brick built with nanotubes or graphene or something cool like that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'or buckyballs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now that the antigun measures have been defeated, we need to impeach Obama and Bloomberg for lying about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'lying about it being defeated?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lying about what it did and didn't do'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ooooh... I must have missed where that's an impeachable offense'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'by the way, you should get a kick out of this: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/false-flag-alex-jones-boston-marathon-bombing-family-231742713.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lying as a politician isn't an impeachable offence, but all presidents since Nixon have overtly committed impeachable offences'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama's was the NDAA'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seen it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something tells me he isn't going to be worried about lobbyist media trolls, onslaught, he probably welcomes the extra publicity'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry, can't really focus on impeaching Obama right now. I'm too worried about the false flag Boston bombing'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have pseudo-celebrities in the UK that likewise thrive off negative media coverage'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? the Texas factory explosion is far more fatal'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so I shouldn't be worried about the U.S> government bombing Boston because the Texas factory explosion has more fatalities?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't believe it was a false flag, then yes, you should :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'who said I don't believe it was a false flag?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because to do otherwise would be to obsess over the publicity of it rather than it's actual effect on peopel and society'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your dripping sarcasm'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm being sarcastic now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it goes, i don't believe it was a false flag, i believe it was a DHS clusterfuck'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you appear to be'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you think DHS was responsible for Boston?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe they had prior warning, hence the late searches. But they either lied about there being prior intel, or they lied about them conducting a drill. They had no reason to lie'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the most likely? they had some sort of intel, but failed to find a bomb, then lied about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just thinking aloud here :) But have you noticed how the world goes to hell in a hand basket when the Pentagon budget is threatened?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, very true, anaristos, it's not like Napolitano threatened that there'd be attacks if the sequester went through or anything'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or uhh... and I'm just tossing this out... maybe DHS didn't have prior warning?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then why lie about there being a drill when there are eye-witness statements, photos and so on?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i said, it doesn't mean they DID it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but why lie about stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but believing Boston WASN'T a false flag would be to believe Alex Jones is crazier than a rat on acid'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and I certainly can't do that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that's just faulty logic'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the number of 'bombing' attempts that the feds HAVE had a hand in, I am quite forgiving of people jumping to conclusions'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should point out that Mr Mcafee in an interview just after he fled back the US said he had intel that the houses would be attacked with Ricin'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well thanks, I appreciate that. Most people I tell about the Boston false flag just thing I'm nuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble is not enough is known yet'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know who did it or why'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh that isn't true'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I know the gov did it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'to blame the Tea party'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left wing media is pushing that idea'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'eh? what idea?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'AJ media pushing the government, right wing media taking a balanced view. so who's right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Alex Jones is right. Duh'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you expect us to take you as anything except a troll because.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that's not very polite'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither are you, sir'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'on the contrary, I've been nothing but cordial this evening'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but you choose to label me a "troll"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have an opinion, express it, if you have an argument, argue it, don't just go around taking shits on everything for the sake of massaging your own ego'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously you have little to offer but insults today'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wasn't born yesterday, and neither is anyone else following this'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i suggest you go recite 10 hail chris matthews and utter a prayer to the obama collective'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how is your birth date relevant to the conversation?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as penance for your sins'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Chris Matthews is a tool'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glad you think so'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I'm glad you're glad'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'AJ himself is like a smoke detector that is too sensitive'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'however since you seem intent on attacking me for no apparent reason, I think I'll go find something else to do'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but just like you understand the prism of bias you get with the BBC, or RT, or CNN, or MSNBC, or FOX'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try to be a little more consistent next time, then!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do left-wing extremist terrorists seem to get airbrushed from the collective memory?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could it be that a single dimension consisting of left and right is inadequate for describing things?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://www.lifenews.com/2013/04/16/huffington-post-we-made-a-decision-not-to-cover-the-gosnell-trial/'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, that was noted :-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because abortion is trendy and a left-wing thing, they don't want to be seen to be giving the anti-abortion camp some credence'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's coming from someone who is vaguely pro-abortion'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it just bothers me that they will ignore things like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not that both sides don't ignore things, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't bother me'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a horrid story'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'throw away the key'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just can't imagine having so little value for human life'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and that's not a pro-life statement, that's just about that case in general'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you've seen the video of an abortion doctor being confronted by anti-abortion protestors and shouting out "Who is going to look after all those ugly black babies? You wouldn't want all those ugly black babies"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure if I've seen that one, but I know I've seen videos that sound like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there've been bio-ethecists in scientific papers calling on children to be aborted up to age 3'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'now I remember reading something about that, and fairly recently, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, it's a societal problem, not a legal one'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I don't know what the answer is to that question.  I'm fairly pro-life, but I"m not sure that it should be illegal, either.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'limit to first trimester, at the weakest'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop dissing the family, rebuild it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ties into poverty and feminism, we've been taught that women should work not be mothers... now families can't survive unless both parents survive, and we've made out-of-relationship children making morally ok'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all things which by themselves seem fine, but together have a negative impact'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, like I said, I'm not sure what the answer is, or at least, what the solution is'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in some parts it's beginning to fix itself'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'partly due to the cyclical nature of opinion - pro-life is becoming more popular'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just get upset when I hear about being doing it simply because having a child will disrupt their 'life plans''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I know that doesn't make up the majority of the cases, but still'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's the idiocy isn't it? If you can't afford or don't want a kid, DON'T MAKE ONE'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not life birth control is difficult'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think part of my problem is that I can't put myself in that mindset'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I just always kind of looked at it as if I was going to do 'adult things' then I'd take 'adult responsibility' for the consequences.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, the predominant offenders are now young black and hispanics. 50 years ago young blacks were the least likely to have kids out of wedlock'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to ask how society went from one situation to the other'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what prompted and facilitated that change'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but if I remember correctly, it's strongly linked to the education of young females, regardless of race.  Though obviously urban areas struggle the most in their education, and at least in the U.S., that means reaching young black females'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it isn't education or lack of it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'with hispanics there's some cultural momentum involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I'm just going off what I remember the research saying, though it tended to be linked to stds'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not quite the same thing, but protection for one tends to overlap with the other'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm confused. Why, if an ex-official's wife has been charged in the case of the Texas DA murders, are/have the media been trying to blame it on a white supremacist gruop called the Aryan Brotherhood?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'S744 immigration bill has been handed to the house wednesday morning in preparation for it's only scheduled hearing friday morning. It's 844 pages long - how is that long enough to digest it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay, College Professor arrested for progane rant at Pro-life students'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'interns and staff'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'This makes us Norwegians look slow. Proposed legislation here usually comes from a specialist committee, then goes to 3 month public hearing. After this the relevant department adjusts it, then there's sometimes a new hearing. After this it goes into the queue of some parliamentary committee which eventually chews on it for a couple of weeks or months. Finally, when everyone is well and truly bored, there is a vote in parliament.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, sometimes parliaments are berated for procedure, but at least we don't have the ridiculous situation of lengthy bills being voted on before anyone has had a chance to READ them, then you have stupid stuff like riders being tucked onto the end that have nothing to do with the original subject matter'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I also don't think we have passed any law of more than 100 pages yet (tax law and main social security law are about that length)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... you DO make progess... here in the US, our lawmakers sit and sling doo-doo at each other over nothing for three months, then in the last 3-4 days of session, propose, consider, and VOTE on the only legislation for the entire session'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting it couldn't be improved by mandatory time to study bills linked to the size of the bill, and a ban on non-related riders?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the latter could be fixed with a 'line item veto' ability... the former is just plain broke'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is like a 'bubble of can't-touch-this' when it comes to holding law maker's feet to the fire.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs to change'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since there is no benefit to either side, it is something that could be done without opposition'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'execpt there will opposition because unpopular administrations abuse such techniques to sneak things through'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I still prefer it to a parlimentary system.  honestly, we see some of the antics from the UK.  that can be a real cirus.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the yelling and screaming and such.  I suppose those are the only parts that make US news.  Or in the asian parliments where they have all out brawls =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's really only Prime Minister's Question time, which is just a weekly propoganda show'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I imagine it's less a function of "parlimentary system", and more to do with culture.  But I prefer the representative replublic.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for most of the parliamentary debates the house is empty'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i absolutely agree, UK is laid waste by it's lack of a constitution, and US looks horrid when and only when it's administration devalues of denigrates it's constitution'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that's not really the point, is it? riders and not-being-given-time-to-read-something-you're-expected-to-vote-on are problems that have nothing to do with the sytem of government, only specific implementation of protocol'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am starting to wonder, what with the information and communication capabilites available today, if it isn't time for an true democracy - were everyting is reforendum-based... of course, the pitfall there is that in the US, we are past the "tipping point" where the number of people on the dole would shout down those who are paying for the dole.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be terrible'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'time to go make the lefse... BBL'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would prefer that as much as were pragmatic that power were devolved to states, that way you could get the best of constitutional protection, along with representative democracy while being able to cater for the problem of differing culture across the wider country'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is what the original constiution and bill of rights put forward, but it got eaten up by the aftermath of the outbreak of WW1'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and while federalisation had some benefits, it's ultimate trajectory is the complete loss of that local representation'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it ultimately leads to seperatist movements, such as northern ireland troubles leading to devolution, wales devolution, scotland devolution with attempts to become independant. Independance movements in parts of Spain simiarly'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is pretty worrying: http://www.ammoland.com/2013/04/ny-psychiatrists-served-with-subpoenas-for-patient-records-in-ny-gun-confiscation/#axzz2QobfXv1u'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in that instance... it will come down to the individual Psyco-doc.  Does he vilotate patient/doctor confidentiality, or does he stand firm.  I suspect that he could NOT give them up, and weather the fallout fine... or, he could cave and set a dangerous precedent.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most will violate'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/world/us-practiced-torture-after-9-11-nonpartisan-review-concludes.html?pagewanted=all'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'published on the same day of the boston marathon, and gets no media coverage'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'cover up?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not news...we already knew that the US practiced torture after 911'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it was news a few years ago during the waterboarding scandal'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the publication of the reoprt'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'report*'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would challenge you to find a day where "US Tortures XXX" is NOT in the news'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rightyoh, lets get people indicted then'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, the publication of the report that is just reiterating what everyone already knew...how is that news?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'status'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got a better idea... let's indict child molestorers, murders, corupt polititians, etc...  there are worse people in the world than those who seek to secure out country.  do you really believe that torture happens because someone gets their jollies from it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since it serves no other purpose'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'indicting torturers doesn't mean we can't indict child molesters too. '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I beg to differ... done right, and 'in the moment', a little physical pain, and the threat of pain (or worse) can get information to flow... sometimes the information is false, but it can be checked and acted upon'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't indict both, majic, that would be ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you believe that, you should probably be living in North Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rest of us threw that overboard after 1945'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why it's illegal'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it may serve a purpose if it's 'where are the fucking HOSTAGES NOW' but this isn't what it's been applied to'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you hit a target, and you take a prisoner, shoving a 9mm in his mouth (breaking a few teeth in the proccess) and demand to know "where the rest of them are"... nine outa ten times, you are going to find out "where the rest of them are", and kill them too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what happened though, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but that's not what the report is about'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're attempting to defend the indefensible here'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'granted, the report is more about organized and deliberate "torture"... but it DOES work'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not reliable'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is not something the good guys are supposed to do'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's about as reliabel as a yugo, and the yugo still gets you where your going'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... there's the fulcrum of the issue... what is a "good guy?"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will be judged more by how you treat your enemies that how you treat your friends'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'organized and deliberate torture doesn't give reliable information, it gives people who will say whatever you want to get the pain to stop whether they're innocent or not'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and often enough, what they say is "actionable intteligence"... '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Rule of thumb: Anyone with a gun is not a good guy'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might notice gitmo detainees are all being forcefed because they're all on hunger strikes, they realise they have nothing to lose anymore'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. and they have ALSO realised that the average walking around american is a bleeding heart liberal who has NO IDEA of how nasty the world really is'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not that bleeding heart, they're bleeding stupid maybe'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the guy with the gun isn't the bad guy... the guy with the gun pointed at your children is the bad guy'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good or bad is in deed or heart, not in what you're carrying'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyone with a gun is bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the anti-second ammendment crowd forget that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ranrr can't possibly believe the world is that stupid-simple'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There might be occasions where carrying a gun is acceptable, but those are very few.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have to be a bit more specific than that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok. Guns are ok for hunting, but nowhere else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ranrr.. what's your history?  family origin?.. where do you 'come from'?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, i disagree'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gun ownership is not related to torture, or to terrorism, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Never said it was.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... I can work with that... Sweeden hasn't seen a war since the napolionic wars, and during WWII, they let hitler use the crap out of the,'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'black and white views of the world are very nice to hold and usually incorrect'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't even a link to crime, except a negative one'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That is a choice we made, Von.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't say a lot for the collective decisionmaking of the country'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all those millions of dead russians... partly because sweeden "made a choice" to let Germany use their rail and air infrastructure'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sweden has a system that seems to work for itself, but don't pretend it's portable to other countries - it's not'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer living in a country that tries hard to not fight wars, compared to living in a country that captures and imprisons people without due process, and then tortures them...'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then you really have no place in this debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, ranrr, and is why i constantly fight for USA to return to what it's founders intended, which was just what you described'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I find the torture as repulsive as you do, but you're trying to link it to wars, cops, and everyone else who has a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just said that the person carrying the gun is the bad person.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are cops bad people?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and you're wrong, when you try to make a simple, black-and-white assumption like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe I'm wrong. But it''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some cops are bad, but most are not. '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well say all jews are bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or all muslims are bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But in any scenario, I would use that rule of thumb for survival.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or everyone who likes rock music are bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so you'd run from the cop with a gun to a mugger with a knife?  :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone who drives a car is a earth-hating evil person'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, I'd run sideways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone who expresses an opinion is bad!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now, tigerballs... that's not nice to say... we all get to speak our mind'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sorry, i came over all fake-liberal there'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Gustavus Adolphus was a great weed'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Gustavus Adolphus was a great Sweed'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he saw what needed doing in Europe and took action'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which one?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, in the 1600s sweden behaved the way the US does now. We've moved on since then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'swede*'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'thanks abelinc... swede'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Gustav II Adolf, as he's know there'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl: MSNBC: NRA 'in the Business of Helping Bombers Get Away With Their Crimes''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'WTFBBQ!??'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'did someone say bbq ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, roasted meat with bbq sauce.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baffling'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paul Kevin Curtis... a democrat... and a christian.... was he responsible for sending the ricin? How are MSBNC going to spin the fact that it makes him a left wing extremist?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, butanol is good stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just saw the presidents response to the gun control bill that got shot down (no pun intended)....'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he didn't act very presidential'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'did he use the word whites'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not that I heard... he just looked and sounded like he was pitching a fit... like a six yearold'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'or whiteys'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he was acting like a six year old brat that didn't get a pony for Christmas'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'wow that will probably be used by a few comedies'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'His tirade?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is because he wanted to blame the republicans, but some democrats sided with the republicans in the senate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it passed the senate, the republican house would have not passed it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and then the prez could say the republicans didnt care and perhaps take the house in 2014.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is good to see there are still some free thinkers in congress though....perhaps they will continue to have balls and keep thinking for themselves and what is actually best for the country.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so... back a few years ago... George Bush was having a grin-and-grab meeting and photo op with an Idaho Senoir Citizen's Capital Tour when his aid Bob came in and whispered in his ear "Sir, two Brazzilians have been killed in Afgahnistan."  '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The president calmly finished his chat with the senior citizens, and stepped outside to where his aid was waiting and asked "Dang, Bob.  Just how many is a Brazzilian?"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my clannies didn't laugh either... I guess I am the only one who thinks that that is even a little bit funny'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, I thought it was funny. It's also funny because you can tell it to either democrats or republicans -- just change the president who's speaking :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .the reason I picked George, is because I think he's the kind of guy who would laugh at it, too... Had I used Obama, I'd have a black helicopter hovering over my house'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you said black, you fucking racist'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I did... but I'm not a racist... I am a bigot.. there is a difference'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I was defriended by someone on facebook who said they disagreed with some political issue and said they didn't want to be friends with any bigots. I just gave her the definition of bigot, and our beautiful friendship was at an end :('
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'are you a racist or a bigot if you dislike africans ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bigot'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you dislike africans AND believe you have a superior right to rule over them... you are a racist'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, cause there are white, black, asian, etc africans'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I think youre actually a continentalist'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'African isn't a race'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually, you don't even have to DISLIKE a race to be a racist... you can think that Asians are perfectly fine folks, but completly unfit to make their own decisions, and that you need to be their ruler.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just as an example, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so if I were from africa, and I were white, and I came to the US, I could get a free day off during African-American History month?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'didn't think so'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, 3 new earth like planets have been found....lets go visit!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am already there opening up a McDonalds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'venus is earth-like'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Missing the new adjective though!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1200 to 2700 light years away though :('
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, venus fits the description and is much closer'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's very earth like'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kinda hot on venus.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love venus'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'exactly. earth like doesn't mean it has an atmosphere or other stuff you happen to like about earth :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it just means that they're about the same size and are located in the theoretically life supporting zone close to the sun'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'like venus :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'anyone knows the strange sounds being heard around the world?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the kind that only a few crazy people can hear?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'we're not crazy!!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the planet is about to blow up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'its on youtube like a strange humming noise'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cicada'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'quess yall don't know about this'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, if you count people watching youtube videos "being heard all over the world"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've also seen one where some murican lady was upset about rainbows coming out of her sprinkler'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I heard a couple of explosions in Boston the other day - if that's the logic we're going with here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'it started in 1994 , scientist can't explain this phenomena.. they speculate its the trumpets of the Lord we read in thd bible that the end is near'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The scientists speculate or the zealots?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I strongly doubt any scientist is speculating that'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, according to the bible the end can't be near because it says that it'll be a surprise'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while I don't doubt that the "end" is coming.. I don't think it's all that close... the original 11 thought Jesus would be back in a few days... a couple weeks at most.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'it doesn't help i try to explain, all you do is making fun of it... till you see the countless videos of this then ylu will understand'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"you will know neither the day or the hour..."'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wasn't there something about coming like a thief in the night?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'post link post link post link post link post link post link post link post link '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's satan'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it'll be like the spanish inquisition '
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Slyzora - post a link.. we're too lazy to google it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'personally, i think revelations is the coolest part of the bible. crazy shit. chemosh seemed to be channeling it a lot'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'samson was pretty cool as well. killing peasants, fucking bitches and generally being a dickhead'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, proving that you can do anything you fucking want as long as you've got the rockstar hair...that's why my hair is long'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'http://vuclip.com/w?cid=431224498&bu=2842387639&z=1112&frm=s'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'there is it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not youtube'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'people hear weird sounds on the internet. news at 11'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have never heard of any of these.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'kinda spooky'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can't play it... post a youtube link'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'save it, only 21 megs'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not saving files off dodgy websites, tyvm'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wan't me to install a propietary player....'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'lmao vuclip is very popular'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's got malware writen all over it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'lol what a internet noob'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'nope its called wisdom'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's only one reason why a video file would be packaged in such a way that you need a proprietary player to view it.... MALWARE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actually, it seems that the site is for african user on mobiles'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your definitions of "all over the world" and "very popular" are pretty narrow'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'wisdom? doubt it can't even open a file'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not 'can't' but 'won't install software without a reason''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'what ever'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'you stream it like youtube .....'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Slyzora.. you have my REALLY interested in the video... I am just sitting on the edge of searching for it myself... but not quite there... post a YOUTUBE.COM link, please'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'i download as many things as possible.  i view it lke a highscore in my add/remove programs window'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you stream it like youtube, except no computer ships able to stream it...'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'also the amount of unremovable viruses detected is fun as well'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'search it yourself at youtube.. tyoe strange earth sounds'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, the site provides video in 3gp format, which is a video for mobile devices'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... I like to lose those kind of races, Noegle... I have often been accused of sand-bagging when I just say "you win" =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the file format is meant for phones, not computers'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so slyzora is probably on mxit or some other retarded service that won't let him use youtube'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'get a phone then'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir pats <SneakY> Slyzora on his head.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'f u loser'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'there's something charming about phone players'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'your device is the problem idiot'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's gotta be a rich phone player, though, with a comment like "save it, only 21 megs"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you know, I looked at the first video and it's full of comments of people saying things like 'I was THERE at that time and I didn't hear any sounds like that''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'unlimmited cap for downloads ... duh'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not only that, but more comments saying 'Did you realize that a lot of the videos have the exact same background noise?''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you do know that most people here have computers and broadband internet connections?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'conclusion: hoax.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'except for the americans tho. some of them are still on dial up'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and it never even made it popular enough to warrant a snopes'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm going to do Slyzora a solid here and post the YOUTUBE(no 'free' software required).com link:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl2Q560V5P0'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You are a better man than most'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'everyone DOES understand that the crust of the planet is made up of an ever-shifting series of floating plates, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so what? there are no strange noises. it's a fucking hoax'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'yes dr.phill'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'so what if its a hoax? i just founded it strange'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'dude ... a hoax means 'someone made it up to fuck with you''
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'i fucking know what a hoax means'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm actually quite torn on the issue'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'aardwolf is a hoax none of this is happening'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then why would you find it strange? hoaxes are supposed to be strange.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'i tried to fuck with your mind'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i do love fucking with stupid people, but in the other hand it's pretty annoying when it stops being fun and people start taking some bullshit too seriously'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'hahahajA'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... this one doesn't even peg 3 outa 10 on the "greatest hoaxes" scale... kinda lame'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Seltsimees Dagnir.
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'abelinc is the knowledge bot does anybody find it weird he knows everything?? its the government man...'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is it possible that Abelinc is an extension of ECHELON?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think he is'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'should buy some ad space and write something like "are you easily fooled? come take an aura photo to find out!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at the very least... let's all thank Slyzora for attempting to bring something original to the table...  now, can we get back to gun control, organic gardening, or the Boston Bomb Conspiracies?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, hey, nuts is here'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm here and i resign!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'check this out - obama is critical of cispa. spin it!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cough*bullshit*cough'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Now that you are unencumbered by the restictions of your former office, Tigerballs... tell us what's on your mind'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm still recovering from a foray into my nearest city'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'were there roadblocks?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i just hate cities'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'retinal scanners?  PAPER CHECKERS?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"show me zee PAPERS!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like to check out a city now and again... go in shops, see what's new, get a REALLY expensive hotdog or cup of coffee... but then it's time to go'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they make me pretty ill, so i avoid them usualyl'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've been stuck in cities from time to time... had to live in Atlanta for three years one time.  That pretty much sucked'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'i dont think ive been to a city that i can say "sucked"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Though theyre mostly all about the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'kansas city kind of sucks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw more examples of crony capitalism in the housing market, got cross, came home'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now why in the HELL would you make a day trip to the city to get involved in HOUSING?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'he just wanted to be angry at something'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't, just happened to see examples'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you ever see things that annoy you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I drive my kids to school and see examples of a failed entitlement system'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'explain vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'If a child gets dropped off and picked up from school every day by a HUMMER... that child ought not to get free lunches'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i live down a road that has two schools on it. I see the kids being dropped off when they should have bloody WALKED'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What happened with the free lunches thing... I know we had to pay for our lunches'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because of insurance reasons, schools do not want kids to walk to school anymore....either get dropped off, or take the bus.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insurance should be shoved up their arse'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm garden hose water mmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when we have parents who are getting dcfs (the uk equivalent, because this happened in the uk) sicced on them because their kid walked FROM THE BUS STOP to the house door without a parent present ... why the hell would the parent risk letting the kid walk to school?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the distance from the bus stop was quite literally about a hundred yards'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I walked to school since I was in kindergarten'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'change the government'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'all these whippersnappers grrr'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'under the being bloody stupid act'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the FBI are ignoring the men carrying the backpacks identical to those which the bombs were carried in, and are instead looking for a couple of patsies. They also proclaim "other photos will not be deemed credible"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'easiest that way'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now, can we get Biden, Obama, and Pelosi arrested and carted off the hague before they start enacting unconstitutional rules on guns outside of congress?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's an internal matter, Tiggger... we don't need the Hague'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well oddly, the only way the indictments could be acted on IS if it was dealt with internally - the international community don't have the balls to call for their arrest, it would take the army to do it, or their own parties'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'speaking of which.... did anyone else think that Obama sounded like a six year old who didn't get a pony for Christmas whe he was addressing his crushing guncontrol defeat?'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I didn't notice anything unusual'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oh, wait..'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't matter, he's already pulling shit with all this malarchy surrounding vets and people on meds'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and drying up the ammo market by putting stupid orders in with DHS'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'would think that might just stimulate future ammo market'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't done because there isn't the capacity to manufacture'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a highly regulated industry'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh my GOD!  It's the end of the world!  Texas got bombed and nobody was hurt!'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'seriously? yes it is good news no one got hurt but bombings aren't something funny. people can still get traumatized.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'weak minded, always-the-victim nancy-boys get traumatized.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'you are an ass vonliege if you really think that is the case'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'children get scarred for life, almost losing your life can give soldiers ptsd'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"trauma" as you put it is like lower-back pain... an excuse to bilk the system for money you don't deserve'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you just have to laugh at it this time, though.  It's the biggest pile of flaming poo in the world, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'who the hell is talking about bilking the system? i asked him to be sympathetic and not joke about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Texas does everything big.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why don't you get on a plane for texas, light a candle and sing kumya'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'seriously? vonliege you are an embarrassment'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sympathetic... people like you are just waiting for your next chance to be a victim... and if you can't be one, you look for someone else who should/can be a victim and say "don't be such a meanie"'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we need less sympathy, and more grit... less bleeding hearts and more stoicism... you get offended because someone makes a crack about something that didn't even happen to you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll bet when the wtin towers fell, you were absolutly beside youself with pity for the islamic extremist that we MUST have offended'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And I bet YOU wonder why people don't really like you offline :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"the race is on and here comes Pride in the backstretch, Heartache's movin' to the inside..."'
T3/r7/2013-04-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'anyone up for civil debate?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh, good, I can now have gay sex in Montana without being arrested.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lemme see... what's chapping my arse today.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... I know... "No Child Left Behind"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's talk about that!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'd rather shove broken glass up my ass and sit in a tub of Tobasco(TM) sauce'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'doesn't sound so bad... what kind of Tobasco?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pick something'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have observed that America's classrooms are filled with children who either A) way to dumb to be in the classes they are in, or B) desparate to learn the next thing because they have been twidling their thumbs for days.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'teachers are spending most of their time catering to the dumb children and dragging them along while the smart children are made to 'hold up."'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'People (or in this case children) have always been this way. They aren't any dumber today than in past decades. The only difference is the level of media saturation surrounding the issue'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'media saturation plays a part, to be sure... and you are correct - the spread of "smarts" is likely unchanged... what HAS changed is the way society has been fooled into approaching it'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'And as far as ignorance goes, today's children are far less ignorant of... just about everything. Carrying around a higher level of generalized knowledge isn't easy and doesn't come without a cost'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the current philosophy is that EVERY child deserves a chance - what that has been translated into is that every child will graduate to the next level'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what the model does not allow for is that some children are just dumb...  stupid, even'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which doesn't really matter.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and those children need to be taught how to use a shovel - but instead, we are trying to prepare them for college'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure, but they'll end up with a shovel anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AFTER we blow a ton of classroom time and tax-payer mony on them... and no, they will end up with food stamps, rather than a shovel'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'after being told their whole life that they are "winners", and that they can go to college, they can not lower themselves to the "shovel" job - so they chose not to work - and the current entitelment program allows them to do that... comfortably.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'furthermore... there is the notion that we need to lower the standards of universities and colleges.  This will only serve to delay the reality for these dumb children.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ultimatly, these dumb children are going to be looking for the job that gets them a Mustang and a house in the burbs... when the people with money chose not to give their dumb asses a job, they guy with the money is made to be the bad guy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so the objection here is we "waste" money on kids who we should just admit as dumb as rocks'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to put it harshly, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather we should be preparing them for the jobs that they CAN do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT will take a little money'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the money would not be wasted'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess I would disagree with the idea that children shouldn't be given a chance to exceed their obvious potential'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'whether that is an expensive task or not is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there has to be a limit to how much it cost... how much is it worth?  you can't say "priceless", because there's not THAT MUCH money in the treasury.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what of the smart children who are being held back?  don't they deserve to realize their full potential?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ultimatley, it's the smart children that are going to do the most for the rest of us, so we should be backing them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how about we limit the cost to somewhere around the salary of the highest paid professional sports player'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'per student'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a different (but valid) debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The standards for university degrees had to be lowered, otherwise it would be possible for everyone go get them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'eh? You asked how much, that's how much'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oops, wouldn't!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where it IS valid is for that dumb child that shows a potential to BE a mega-sports star.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no no I'm not debating sports'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm giving you an amount'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is what you asked for'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'roger'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is there enough money for that?  there are ALOT of dumb children out there'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we could just give them the resources they need, whatever that may be - $1 or $1,000,000'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we don't have that much money'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the limited amount of money dictates that we prioritize'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes, we should prioritize in favor of our children'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'instead of other things'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. again, a slightly different debate, but I will grant that we could spend... say - twice as much... that's still not going to get all the dumb children mustangs'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'who said anything about mustangs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I did,... but let me ask what your goal would be if you COULD spend ten or twenty times as much... the dumb child will still be dumb'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure, but we gave them a chance to be more'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'with thew right program and maybe meds or whatever, they might succceed'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can buy a lottery ticket for a chance at millions... still doesn't make it a sound investment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what's the right amount of 'chance' to give?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: '1 try? 2?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's sort of the debate, Red'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that kind of detail is what we'd have to work out'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you can't have a meaningful debate without clarifying your positions'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'my position is kids - even the dumb ones - should have a chance'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'right now, the national (US) average spent per student is about $11,500 per year.  Of that, 72% is spent on "special needs" prgrams which include everthing from autistic children to dumb-kid-tutoring...'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so how do you define dumb and chance?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the parameters of that aren't something I am qualified to state'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... me either'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but just because I'm not an expert doesn't make the point less valid'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but what I know is what I see... and I see teachers spending most of their time in class kicking dumb-kid-butt to get them up to a standard that will allow the whole class to proceed'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the problem with lack of clearly defined positions means you might both agree if the positions were clarified'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'eg that example vonliege just said, perhaps that dumb kid already had 10 chances'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and that I actually disagree with. if the dumb kids are holding back the smart ones, get them into a different class'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or vice versa'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'maybe that's enough'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'vise.. whatever'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's just look at it from the smart-kid perspective... how can we justify holding them back - not spending quality teaching time with them - and withholding exceptional programs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if you want to teach everyone you either need a huge education budget or you're gonna have to cut corners'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ah-HA!... and there, my friend, is the PROBLEM!.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seriously Redryn, if your goal is just to nitpick, you could do that elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dumb children MUST be taught alongside smart children... it's in the rules'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there are special needs classes'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those are in addition to the mainstream classes'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not INSTEAD of mainstream classes'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they are conducted separately'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's fine'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dumb children spend most of their day mixed in with the smart ones'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well then we change the rules'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there ARE exceptions... special institues for dumb AND smart children... but most of them are private, and not applicable to the debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'vouchers'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we change the rules... we agree on that'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'get them into private institutions if necessary'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and here's were we transition into a slightnly NEW debate.... how do we administer that equitably?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well as equal as we can, since nothing truly is'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but again - I'm not an expert. You get the best people you can on the problem and hammer something out'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'In the extreme scenario, you give the $11,000 cash to the parents and say "YOU get your kid an education"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but in that scenario, the dumb children will not get accepted to the prestigious schools - the ones where the parents use the $11500, and at another $10,000 of their own money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at=add'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well again it shouldn't be counted in the thousands'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but millions'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'unless football players are worth more than our kids anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think you'd see a supply rising to demand... if every child got a $1,000,000 vouvher for education, then tuition would be set at $1,000,001'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'price controls'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and we (the taxpayers) would be pissing money down an over inflated industry'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... not really appropriate to the debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well it's not like THAT doesn't happen like ever :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I know I know, unrealistic'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'personally I think corporations should be investing in educating kids. After all they are the ones who need the labor'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'skilled or unskilled'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would really like to see scoiety accept the fact that not every child is smart enough for college'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't think that's something we don't accept'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not every kid DOES go to college'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as that notion exists as sacred, corperate america will not invest'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and many drop out'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh bullshit, corporate America will not invest in something they aren't guaranteed a return on'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but I am not allowed to say "you are just dumb, and you need to accept the fact that you will not be a rocket scientist"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'again - we change the rules'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and coperate america will not invest in something where they don't set the rules, either.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I don't know why it's necessary... kids drop out'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that won't change'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes - kids drop out.  and that's not MY fault, but current sentiment is that I (me) have somehow failed that child - which is bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you waste time crying about it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND I waste tax money paying for it'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm not sure what it is you're looking for... just the ability to say "hey stupid, no college for you!" without being bitched at by the optimists of the world?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah well I waste tax money on stuff too'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'welcome to the real world'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose that's a bit of it... I just see things the way I see them, and it's pretty clear what needs to happen - but it's not allowed'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're getting a bit hostile'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not my intent'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just pointing out you aren't alone'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and just because you don't like something is no reason to change it'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yet, if I see something as being horribly broken, I have to try and change it'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the problem is you may see it as broken, but maybe I don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we can both see what's coming out of the end of the pipe'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'point remains - maybe I like what comes out'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider yourself as contributing to their PK stats'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MT'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I guess that's as good as any a place to wrap up the debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'pk stats?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischanned'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was ment for ctalk'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah, okay that explains why I'm confused :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'anyway we actually agree on a great deal here'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'need to go make a pan of brownies for my average  children'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'catch you next time'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'put pot in them'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boston bombers, extremely proficient under-cover terrorists, or were they patsies?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'disillutioned punks is my guess'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from the tweets, facebook, and friends it doesn't seem like it'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's the most reliable source?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could just be a combination of confirmation bias and heads down'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know what that means'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, they were bright kids with bright futures, and friends are saying they never gave any hints that they were wanting to do this'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've seen those reports, yes... but as they say... "it's always the quiet ones"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and friends are -always- going to say that'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like they're going to say "my best mate was a terrorist"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider their ethnicity, academic environment, geographical location... '
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you KNOW they were getting an earful in the classroom'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think that? he was a medical student'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's the same as you read about every day.. even on "infowars"... the acedemic bias against the right - about how evil the US is... how EVIL the right is... '
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't answer that, i don't know what your schools are like'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, inner city schools here are filled with people exactly like him'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rural schools here would be kind and welcoming'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Pleiades perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'our "institutes of higher education" are general brain-washing stations for the liberal left.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good news is that we won't know unless classified files get leaked'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only in America can a self-proclaimed terrorist/freedom fighter get a job at a university teaching children.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i seriously doubt you'll see CNN and NBC offering apologies for saying it was a pro-gun teaparty nutjob'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all of the media tends to run pretty free and fast with the facts these days.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only when you observe a broad spectrum of information sources can you hope to glean a little bit of the truth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why i try and look at a lot of different news sources and aggregators'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I tend to nod my head more when I listen to Fox news... but they spin the holy crap outa the facts as good as the rest of them'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well duh'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no reason to discard a media source just because it's biased, provided you understand the bias'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i even watch Russia Today from time to time - it's the only place you find middle eastern news'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just don't -get- middle east news on any of the US or UK channels'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I watch RA'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I DO get irate when flat out lies are presented as fact, though.  That's not "bias".. that's just lying.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that happens an awful lot though'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'more now than ever'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pleiades: 'must be the lamestream media!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lying is the new "truth"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so far the only person in the media that has "dissed" these two is the uncle'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'father of the suspects claims secret service set them up ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would so love that to be true'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wishful thinking, methinks'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would not.  My nation does not need that kind of drama'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of sad, really... it's been 6 years since he even logged on'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Mistell'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's like saying "Ford is better than chevy"... or "my dad can ckick your dad's ass"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'my dad CAN kick your dad's ass'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd hope so... dead people don't put up much of a fight'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'OH, my dad is dead too. I was going to say he would be a ghost and ethereal'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was so.... wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so... how's the administration going to handle this?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Poorly, as usual.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"this" being the inconvienience of a live terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will be a bit of a pickle for obama... his muslim pals will be clammoring for amnesty'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why do you assume he is a terrorist?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because he killed people with bombs, and caused terrot'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I cause terror with my beastly appearance.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'aledgedly'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'if we've got a domestic terrorist, the only obvious solution is to start a war with ourself.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'two strikes in the stupid department... not hanging around for strike three'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, so if you go into an elementary school with automatic weapons and kill 26 people your a murderer but if you kill 3 with a bomb you are terrorist. Makes sense.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pwnberry: 'well yeah that about sums it up'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can empty your life savings into his defense fund, then'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A terrorist is someone who does something in order to cause terror.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Someone who runs into a school to kill 26 people does because they are loonies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mentally unstable vs organized crime.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you can wipe out 13 in a high school for no other reason that you are pissed off and forgot to take your meds, and you will not be accused of terrorism. I wonder if they now what terrorism means.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm meds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'they blame the guns not the people'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or go into a movie theatre and do the same thing. Of course, it is hard to imagine that the people of Aurora, CO would now be afraid to go to the movies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I don't think anyone knows if this bomber is a terrorist or not. The motivations for the crime still aren't known, are they?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think the bomber was just bored.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'He/she/it may be a terrorist. But so were the other mass murderers of recent history. If you are going to call one terrorist, then call all  terrorist.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will defer his status as a "terrorist" until they establish one critical aspect of the definition of terrorist - Did he have a political motivation?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Was about to type that lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if he did this for anything remotely political, then it is - by definition - terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If he didn't, then he's just another public murderer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, with congress threatening to cut the pentagon budget, it is nice that someone fo Russian decent peformed an act of "terrorism". Very convenient.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'In general, terrorists have a political or social goal they are trying to accompl.... yeah. ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is, that terrorism is not a function of its agenda, it's the act itself that is terroristic.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Anaristos, you aren't saying the government bombed Boston, are you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe he is'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Anaristos, I don't think that's how it works, but you're free to define the word however you see fit, i suppose.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if after I kill people in a movie theatre and cause people to be afraid to go to the movies, I am a terrorist. Politics notwithstanding.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as you keep that definition in your own twisted little universe... right next to your unicorn and sack of faerie dust'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hey!  Leave my unicorn faerie dust out of this!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, obviously you don't understand terrorism. You think terrorism was invented to annoy the US. Terrorism has been part and parcel of humanity since they were eating dirt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Not trying to be a jerk, but the dictionary  says terrorism is "the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes."'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Don't think anybody was saying terrorism is just for US soil, Anaristos...'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to terrorist means to cause terror. Terror means fear. Period.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pwnberry: 'intended fear'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then why don't you call the Columbine murderers terrorist?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if its all the same to you, Anaristos, we'll use the dictionaries definition, rather than yours'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Well, genreally speaking, the dictionary is the place where we store the meanings of the words, so i'll go with the dictionary.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like to make up meanings of words when it helps my personal false arguments.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wiggles about like a fish.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'The columbine shooters didn't have a larger goal. They weren't trying to get anything by scaring people. They were just insane mass-murderers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't understand terrorism, then. You think that terrorism has to be political, because that's how it is pushed to be in this country. If a man goes around a the city raping women he is committing terrorism.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'No, he's commiting rape.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Anaristos... the definition of terrorist: A person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you don't believe me, ask the women.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'noegel?  is he right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'And a nice completion: terrorism: The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'terror means fear, if you want to curtail what fear is go ahead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so let's accept your definition. How is the Boston person a terrorist then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'All acts that incite terror in people aren't terror. Are people who make scary movies terrorists?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Causing fear for the fuck of it is different than causing fear to further your politcal viewpoints.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Boston is not an act of terrorism until his motivations are made clear.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, tell that to those who fear.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Hey!  since were making up definitions... Anaristos, noun - dork, idiot, stupid, uninformed'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'So Stephen King is a terrorist?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, he is not. I am sure you are not simple enough to go that route, Fawlty.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'He causes terror though, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'In my pants!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wait, what??'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so where DO you draw the line, Anaristos?  does someone have to die, or is pissing your pants close enough?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'I have to start simple. We'll build up. Right now, i'm just trying to establish the point that causing terror, in and of itself, isn't terrorism.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I concure'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you are deluded enough to believe that King's prose describes reality the yes, you can call him a terrorist.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Did the Boston bombing cause "terror?"  Yes.  But did the bomber intend to cause terror in order to prove his politcal viewpoints?  Who knows?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Motivation is an important aspect of defining someone as a terrorist. That's the crux of the point. For instance, the rapist may inspire terror, but that likely isn't his motivation. His motivation is likely sexual fulfillment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'jury is still out'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Therefore, the Boston Bombing is not a terroristic act of violence as of right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically.. the jury hasn't been selected yet'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like that, Noegel :) You are saying that one who causes terror is not a terrorist. So the women in a community with a loose rapist should not feel terror. Because the language doesn't allow that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'A terrorist has a definition.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so let me rephrase the original question:  How is the administration going to deal with a LIVE captured mass-hooligan?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Fedaral law allows for capital punishment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'Von, this depends on a number of factors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kaczynski   <--- Kaczynksi might be a good example?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my gut says he gets a deal to give up his fellow hooligans'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so does Massachusetts anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '"Federal Hooligans"'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fellow hooligans? How many are there?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'haha... ya... FEDRAL hooligans'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we don't know yet... might be zero'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I feel like a federal hooligan sometimes :'('
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so if there are no others who is he going to give up to get leniency? '
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Then he's screwed like a pooch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'none... he gets the chair.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless obama steps in'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am going to bet that the US government will use this to begin the cold war again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I prefer the whole death at dawn sentence, but call me old fashioned.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel rolls on the floor laughing at SnailBot Anaristos's antics!
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe ("I" being just me, myself and "I") that obama has a TREMENDOUS tight wire to walk in the upcomming months... he will be under enormous preasure from his muslim associates to get him off.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are running out of places to  stow the armed forces. Iraq is not good enough anymore and they are gettting to the same point in Afghanistan. You have to keep the little beavers busy. This will  justify the missile shield that the US wants to deploy in Europe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I DONOT see this going russia vs US... this is more of a Muslim vs Christian issue'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'an eye for an eye the guy deserves to die nothing more nothing less'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'notice how the media keeps mentioning the fact that Chechnya supports a rather large Moslem population. They are setting up the stage.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because if this was an act of terrorism, the obviously Moslems were behind it :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they ARE the usual suspect when there is terrorism... if it is indeed terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the first thing they did after the bombing is to find the first ME looking guy and arrest him :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'looks like a duck - walks like a duck....'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the usual suspects? Sure, because everyone knows that if you are a Moslem you are a terrorist. McNichols was a Muslem wasn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but wait! The Oklahoma city bombing wasn't an act of terrorism.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that allowd him to be a Protestant then :) Wow, that was close.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I am a terrorist!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel goes BOOM!
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course  terrorists always use bombs, I saw the movie too :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel slaps Anaristos and goes big boom boom!
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'every time I see some human from the middle east walking near me I start to look for cover.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'learn that from the movie!'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow, that's pretty racist lol.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as I said, I saw the movie. Didn't you? When was the last time they showed a terrorist from this part of the world?'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't know.  Don't care either, as long as the movie is entertaining.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I am glad you finally realize that the idea of terrorism in the US is not too far off racism.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel sighs.
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Terrorist does not equal racism.'
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flips off debate... or does she??
T3/r7/2013-04-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, so why did they arrest that middle eastern guy right after the bombing?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the common denomemator for violence is not a shoe, or a pair of underware.  It is not a gun or a grenade or even a pressure cooker - it is a person with intent.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'underwhere? Underthere!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I make what is perhaps the single most profound statement of my life (at least for today), and you snipe my spelling?  <weep> =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well... ok. That's like saying the sky is blue, we all know that :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was leading, though... the real point is that we need to look at PEOPLE... as in profile the crap out of them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, maybe. Although, perhaps we (you) should look one step further, at the cause of actions.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'd be moving aways from a common denominator, then... we'd be branching out into religion, social experience, geography... the scope quickly becomes too big, again.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds like all you want to do is justify your right to carry weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just like you can't by safe from violence by getting rid of guns and pressure cookers, you can be safe from violence by getting rid of religion or russia.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like to know one thing, why is it terrorism when some insane person bombs people in boston, but anti-terrorism when some other insane person bombs civilians in pakistan and afghanistan?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually... I want to get away from this politically correct notion that looking, smelling, walking and talking like a violence-doer isn't grounds enough for someone to look at you as a potential violence-doer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dunno... why does the first person to go to the cops after 'a consentual sexual encounter gone wrong' get to cry rape?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only if it's a female.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while mostly true, there is precedent for it going the males way... as long as he gets to the cops first'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'When was the last time a woman got convicted for raping a man? Has it ever happened?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'especially if there is alcohol involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it falls more into the catagory of 'sexual harasment''
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My point about our previous discussion is that I am more inclined to blame the US foreign politics for the terrorism and violence than the actual presence of guns. Although I don't think people carrying guns is a good thing, it's probably not the main cause of the large amounts of mass murderers and terrorism in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or to put it another way... sweden has not had any external terrorism since the 70s, until now... when we joined the war in afghanistan. Correlation? Maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bleh, they use diesel tractors to harvest sea salt in northern cali :('
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'whats wrong with harvesting sea salt in northern cali?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'you got something against sea salt?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cargil Corp is the largest supplier of sea salt in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'takes 5 years for a sea salt pond to mature enough to be harvested....they have dozens of ponds.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of their salt ends up in food products.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty cool though....each harvest produces a 100 foot tall mountain of sea salt'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'GMO of the world Unite!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does the COSTCO pond have a sign that says "We recommend that you eat no more than one fish per month from this pond"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, but you can get 100 fish on just one license.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sweet'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly hard to "catch and release" there, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Smoked Chicken and Jalapeno Sausage and a box of Zatarains Jambalaya mix, cooked on the Deadwood Stove, from the deadwood stove company of Texas......'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but what about the costco fish... tell us what you used for bait?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 22 year old blonde.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't you mean a 17 year old blond?  '
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, 22'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so not "jail bait"'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer to leave the jail bait for you :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So....CISPA passed the US Senate yesterday.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Gucci only exists to support north african immigrants selling ripoff versions in european squares'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'been to rome recently, huh Arnica?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'profiling'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is good'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and saves time and lives'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Abortion is straight up murder.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well that wasn't much of a debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on a whole sale scale'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'murder is a legal term to which abortion does not apply'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Does somebody want to abort my fetus for 10 tps'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'define murder:  The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Murder need not be premeditated.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I belive an unborn child is a human'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is semen a human being?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But abortion is lawful, therefore not murder'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Noegel pretty much said it'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Soooo 10 tps!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'being human has nothing to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well it's killing babies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'i'd do it for 10 tps...'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sweet!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'a fetus isn't a baby'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unborn babies are humans'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But not babies!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: '50% of all black pregnancies end in abortion in the united states.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the other half end up in prison ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'and probably about the same % of whites'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'abortion is killing unborn humans... if you want to stick to the flimsy fact that it's "legal", then shame on you'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'or do you not have that statistic?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I personally don't support abortion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'but my tps?!?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'and 99% of all down syndrome children are aborted in the united states. These bitch ass self serving "mothers" won't have any baby that isn't "perfect"'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Too late, I already aborted it'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kashra (
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is a test for down syndrome now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Anybody want some quesadillas?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a fetus near term can be said to be human, to apply the term to a blastocyst is stretching the definition.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'calling abortion "killing" is fine. Calling it "murder" is not. Definitions have a point otherwise why use them?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can find out if it is a downy in the first month or less.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I use Downy in my laundry'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I use Downy Jr'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Yeah Riz and as a result most of them are aborted now'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'makes your clothes potato fresh eh'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'turnip fresh'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No, just juicy'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the people who were against abortion spent as much energy, time, and money supporting down sydrome charities they would have a better effect'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snooky is agreeing with that Twyst person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'i think giving birth is murder, it's going to die some day'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'XD'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in socilist German, if you chose to carry a defective child to birth, you do so entirely at your own expense - no medical insurance paid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sounds good to me'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'is there is a reason why you used the word "socialist"?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I'm not against abortion clinics being legal. Thats not the problem. The problem is society and the type of people that use abortion as a method of birth control.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'in capitilist America it is okay to bag on someone for aborting a down syndrome baby and simultaneously bag on them for being a "taker" if they dont'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when socialisted medicine comes to america, poor peopel will never be able to know the love of an imperfect child'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no doubt that people in the US are borderline bipolar :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the "problem" are antagonists who falsely try to claim there are "groups" of people using abortion as a form of birth control'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that is not necessarily untrue, Onsluaght.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someday we will have genetically modified humans, it is the next step after plants and animals which we already do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't see anything wrong with that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neither do I'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially if it cures a lot of problems'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and then someone will game the system by hiring a genetically desirable person who happens to be partially or totally paralyzed to provide genetic samples for them so they can function in society'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well I'm not against crappy women who arent woman enought to be a mother choosing not to have a child. I mean their gonna suck ass at it anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what will be the problem is that some governments will use the technology militarily. In fact, I am willing to be that when the general public has the technology available is because the government has released an amended protocol from their military applications.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just like the microwave oven :>'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and Tang'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or dehydrated foods'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually it IS untrue. No one uses abortion as a form of birth control. Aside from being functionally inefficient, expensive, painful, and just plain stupid'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'wasn't that the plot of Gattaca'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what of a man's right to choose?  his right to hold HIS child - a right that is denied him because the woman can't be bothered to carry the child to term?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's also extremely rare to find a provider'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I once held a child.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Eugenics is a fact, Onslaught. It is also a fact that there are groups out there that want to institute a eugenics program. Euthanasia is a tool of eugenics.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught rolls his eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I should elaborate further Onslaught. People do use abortion when other methods of birth control fail. When just keeping your nasty legs closed is a far better birth control method.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'But hey, babies have to die so some self serving woman can skank it up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe you have forgotten Hitler. Do you think he is the only one ever to think along those lines? The fact that he did it crudely doesn't mean that is idea wasn't appealing to some. Even here in the US, some admired his goals if not his methods.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'So women don't use abortion as a form of birth control, they use it when forms of birth control fail...'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah that makes sense, oddly enough'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hear about that couple that paid a woman money to have their child for them?  The child ended up being extremely disabled with lots of major problems while developing, so the parents wanted it aborted, but the hired woman said no and had the kid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'luckily Plan B will B (har har) available to everyone soon'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'abortion is a method of brith control. The aborted fetus is not birthed.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the kid required major surgeries that taxpayers got to pay for.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone suggested the kid be aborted, but the birth mom said no, she ended up putting the kid up for adoption.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure, and miscarriages are nature's form of birth control'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel giggles.
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mother Nature ain't having none of this *miscarriage*'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'SO! What about the man's right to choose?  his right to hold HIS child - a right that is denied him because the woman can't be bothered to carry the child to term?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I don't like abortion, and probably would never get one but what is the actual problem with abortion'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I saw a 60 minutes show which feature a husband/wife pair in the UK who were genetically defective and had over a 90% chance to pass their defects to their offspring. Yet they refused to avoid pregnancy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'men can choose another woman willing to give him control of her body'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is an interesting way to look at it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'his child is in HER body'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'HIS child'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no his or her child is their child.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or THEIR child, if you prefe'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'Vonliege you have a point'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is just a convenience, Vonliege. It is possible now to implant paused embyros in other animals other than humans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if men want kids, they find women willing to have kids'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'but that is not the argument'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am talking about AFTER the "ooops" moment when he finds out the woman is pregnant'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'procreation is an  living entity's highest drive. At least on this planet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'he doesn't own her or the fetus regardless of whose DNA is involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that argument isn't related to whether abortion should or shouldn't be legal'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want to genetically change a chicken to have pigs in their egg.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that is more a question of parental rights/responsibilities and men vs women in that context'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'go ahead'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That would be cool'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'soon as someone invents a working artificial womb, I'll be willing to say men have a right to request a transplant to that womb in the case of a woman who wants an abortion'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bacon and eggs in 1 package.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the FATHER (remember?  it takes two?) should have a say-so as to about if his child will be killed'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'parental rights/responsibilities are social constructs. Humans can do the right thing instinctively.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'yeah but then women have it both ways Onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well Vonliege if there is a "child" involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I agree'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'either men/women are equally responsible for making decisions and supporting the baby'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'or they aren't'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'here is the thing, abortion is obviously natural or it wouldn't be able to occur. You are discussing a position that is not supported by natural processes. If abortion had been removed by nature, this planet, even this solar system, would not be big enough to hold all humanity.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if the woman decides to have the child when the man wants to kill it, he's dang sure going to be ordered to pay child support when the child is born'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so you are arguing to ban abortion where both parents dont agree? or in all cases?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'being a man is soooo unfair in this world'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'be honest'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in all cases... but where both parties don't agree would be a start'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it isn't necessarily unfair Onslaught, but it is one sided some times'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if I donate a kidney to you, I don't have the right to tell you what to do with it later'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you live in the US?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"nonsense" is perhaps the single most un-compelling argument I have ever heard'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if I donate sperm and you get pregnant, I don't have a right to tell you what to do with that fetus'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Selling my aborted fetus 2tp'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'do you then have a right to hit me up for child support?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mischan meant for barter'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, technically, men are mutated females. You can say that nature intended females to be primary.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is not really a fair or unfair issue, just one sided'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can SAY that... but it didn't happen, for whatever reason'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'honestly as far as child support goes, I probably have far more disagreement with those laws'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but as I have no real issue taking care of my own child, it's far from something I worry about'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You ever find that good deal at 7 eleven yet in san antonio ?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm, no'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The Shell by house here in my village gives you a free candy bar for donating $1 or more to a diabetes foundation'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I thought it was funny'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a bank here gives you a free overdraft if you buy a $5 candy bar.'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel buries her face in her hand and sighs, shaking her head.
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If you never get close to overdrafting, can you opt for the free $20?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'over drafting is dumb, but they way banks are run where they cause you to overdraft for no logical reason is worse'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'how do banks cause you to overdraft?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'placing unnecessary holds on deposits, whether cash or check'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'processing withdrawals before deposits in the same time frame'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who here enjoys pop weaver extra butter microwave popcorn ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Meee'
T3/r7/2013-04-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pop weaver rules.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any news?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've never been to Texas, but I believe it's my adopted home'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wins "one of the least shittiest places on the world to live"'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I've only been to Texas once.  I'd just suggest staying away from Illinois'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if I could convince my wife to move I'd get out of here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illinois doesn't sound too good, especially with people being arrested and having life sentances sought for videoing (from a distance) cops beating people up'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Illinois is a mess of a state'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean,we give California a run for their money'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Tigernuts, don't those cases in Illinos end up being dropped? I heard that they have but they could be wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but yes, there's a lot of wonky things here'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if there's political pressure for it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's just a shame that those laws are even on the books here'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Basically police in IL try to arrest people videotaping based on "wiretapping" laws. It's total bullshit and it does not hold up in court AFAIK. But at the end of they day they still arrest you and destroy your video.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I usually melt the people and arrest the tapes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all of them, snooky'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and every time such a ruling is struck down, the state declares "we don't care, we'll continue arresting people for it"'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Well noone has yet gotten a life sentance for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the people that can fight it usually get them thrown out'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't it kinda not really the point that nobody has gotten a life sentance for it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people should not be being arrested or even threatened with arrest for this'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you take someone out of the situation and release them later, or on appeal, you've prevented the filming'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's a form of intimidation, which is something that shouldn't be occuring'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I logged in the middle of this debate, but I don't mind being recorded at work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If I'm doing my job correctly, it won't end up on YouTube! :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'I know it's not the point. It's bullshit anyway you look at it. IL police clearly have reasons for not wanting to be filmed. '
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the insulting part is two fold, not only should their actions be public record, but these filmings usually take place in a public space'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'Anywhere else in the country some cops might get annoyed, but they do not go out of their way to bust you for doing it. Because they can't. IL courts  have clearly enabled IL police to break the law for their own gain.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that being said, every now and again you'll find out that one of the people filming was being an idiot and getting into the crime scene and interfering with the arrests or whatnot, so in those cases, I kind of understand the police reaction'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but the ones where people are standing back and filming, there's no excuse for harassing them'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'There is no law that says you can't heckle the police either.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but you can't interfere with their job'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's always more to the story that what is reported by this side or that side.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'like I said, every now and again you'll find out that the person filming was being an ass and basically trying to get arrested'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that being said... I really don't WANT to know what's in my hotdog, if you know what I mean.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I was watching 'How it's Made', and they showed how hotdogs are made'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just want it to taste good... and not actually kill me'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'on the one hand, the meat wasn't as bad as you'd think, but the process was worse than you'd think'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt... hotdogs are nasty... and justice is messy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is messy with her hotdogs.
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but I eat hotdogs, and I believe justice is generally... well... just.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, maybe'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'probably more often than not'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that's not really good enough'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but, I suppose, historically, it's improved'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'So the FBI is urging people to only look at their sources about the Boston bombing. SOmething they don't want us to see or what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't want you to be distracted by all the private security running drills that they'd already lied and said weren't happening'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact of the matter is that these two guys are almost certainly involved, question is, who radicalised them, and will it turn out like most of the footsteps that they walk in, that the feds were involved in recruiting them?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/20/17830619-lawmakers-want-more-surveillance-on-the-ground-and-in-the-sky?lite'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's such bull, they have tons of surveillance on the ground and in the sky'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are more cameras than people'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's kind of scary, and people always react with their gut, so right now, it sounds like a good idea, but it's not'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can never be kept safe on the streets, not fully, you can only mitigate that risk, and you could -never- have enough surveillance and security to reduce that risk to 0'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was that founder quote about trading your liberty for security?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's headlines like that that make me think that Orwell really might have been onto something'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ohh, something like, 'if you're willing to trade your liberty for security, in the end you'll have neither'.  or something like that'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Benjamin Franklin'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'though apparently that's a paraphrasing of what he said, but the idea is correct'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'He who trades liberty for security deserves neither and will lose both.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it's paraphrased a lot, but that's the idea behind all of them'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'all I know is that there's drones flying around'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess what society has done? And by the way, CISPA passed, sack your congressman now'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and that doesn't seem to make a lot of people nervous'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snooky: 'the senate passed CISPA'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'senate are mostly a bunch of dumbarses, though they did twig that if they passed the gun laws, they'd be out of a job. Perhaps they thought they could get away with CISPA because most people didn't know what it meant'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, man, this is so appropriate - http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-conspiracy-theory-flowchart-they.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'enjoy'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'great ideas for trolling debate'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll see your link, and raise you a http://www.wauwel.nl/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/IPad-cartoon1.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll give crispian-jago 9/10 for comedy, 1/10 for understanding the genre, and would suggest that he go back, along with his supporters, to being apologists for corrupt and/or epically incompetent governance and generally fucking up the world for the rest of us'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'with 2(x + 3)^2 would you multiply the bracket out first or multiply the 2 in first then multiply out?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'power of 2 first'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You would follow the order of operations.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is there a debate in there somewhere/'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ok thanks'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts prods Vonliege into action!
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be nice'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be obvious why you'd come to debate for help with calculus'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i come here because the smart people are here'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't even try it... I'm not leaving just because I aren't smart.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts tickles Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'you said that yourself not me'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you want to debate just how smart I aren't?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no response?  then that settles it... I aren't smart - just like I said'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Vonliege is the smartest dude ever!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'save bitchiness for the enemy'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you'll need to supply a source for that, Noegle'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'If you look up wikipedia under Vonliege the Great you can find out'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides myself, of course'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, cooking rabbit on a deadwood stove.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dang.. you foind the wikipage about me... that's open source, you know'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was getting silly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Also, my personal site at www.hahhhvahd.edu/noegelthebeast/vonliege.html you will find more information on my studies'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh I will shut up'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does Noegal stand for?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Noegel is a German surname.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Noegel or however you spell it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it pronounced?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Last name of my ex lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'No gull'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'noegel stands for justice and freedom for all'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would you pronounce the german surname Boehner?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Fuck if i know'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd pronounce it bayner'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'thats an odd way to say i8'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would, but how SHOULD it be pronounced?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'boner?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Humbler person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The last name Noegel should be Nay gehl but has been americanized over the yeara, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'what do i win?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you win a boner, Humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'awww. can i have a tp instead?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, the socialists have impoverished me of tp'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what kind of weirdo names their mudchar after their ex's surname?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'ME!'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Me me me'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lead us through the thought process'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wasn't an ex at the time.  Plus, never met a noegel so I figured it would be a good name'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's your take on the efforts to enslave the 99% and make everyone live in a virtual prison?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Anybody watching the sniper documentaries on History right now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Everyone seems solemn when talking about killing, except this one dude who talks like a psycho'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't get that channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watch very little tv'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I watch history on the weekends when they actually show history stuff and not reality shows'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kindest thing Economists should be used for is some form of replacement to cock fighting'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is that birdfighting or swordfighting? }:>'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lawyers, judges, cops and hair dressers, too'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be either'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'i got my degree in econometrics tiger'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Devious thoughts fill your head as you whip out your 8=L=E=G=O=D=I=C=K=D!
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'bachelors*'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that a similar degree to applied bullshit?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see there, Tigerballs... you personnaly attacked Humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'nope, not close'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is a personal attack?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'what0'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's an economist... you implied that they are bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they are, for the most part'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'humbler has me on ignore, so this is very confusing to him'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, he's an econometrist'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or is it econoterrorist?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oooo a terrorist with budget-friendly explosives!'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'but the reason i mentioned it is that i studied micro and macroeconomic theories'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, they don't all have bin ladin's billion dollar bankroll...'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Now terrorism is accessible to even the middle-income families!  Thanks, Humbler!'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel flees debate!
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'lol. whatchu talkin about willis, noegel?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Willis??'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'uhhh... omg, kids these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '80's sitcom reference,,, you know - the one where the female protagonist OD in real life?  dana plato?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJd1RktjYTU'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'who left the gate open?! the teenagers wandered in. they're like animals that cry and smile'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel wails miserably.
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I was born in 1988.  :('
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is more trustworthy with economics, teenagers, or trained economists?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'thats a loaded question tiger'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'you arent really asking :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and "you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists" isn't?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'depends on who the teenagers parents are, and who the economist works for'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'there both untrustworthy the economist is gonna make everything look all good and the teenagers will just be teenagers'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'they're'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'in canada its spelt there'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'no '
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'in Canada, is it's spelt its?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'man your smart vost'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'in canada its too cold to worry about apostrophes'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'our keyboards dont have punctuation marks'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do have a button dedidated to the word "eh"'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'punctuation is over-taxed in socialist canada'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'they are thirty years behind on technology. they interact with punch cards.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'my commodore 64 plays aard nicely whatchtalking about '
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karkaroth: 'sec i gotta go feed my dogs or ill never get to work later'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would the fbi post hidef photos of the boston bombers and appeal for the public to help identify them, when the fbi knew already who (one of them) they were and had bin tracking him for years?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'because they didn't know he was the bobmer, they just suspected him as a potential terror agent'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not relevent, they knew who he was, so why ask for help id'ing him'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'they would still know his name and face'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Humbler person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's probably because obama is born in kenya and is trying to hide that he's a muslim. amirite? *nodself*'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'prolly cuz the guy that had the Boston pix wasn't in any way involved with the guys who had been monitoring the guy'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i think as soon as they got the pics from the cams, they posted them.  They didn't wait to cross check against thousands of images in their FBI database.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it could be, dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean the fbi is a bunch of incompetents, abe?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so while "The FBI" knew who he is, the guy posting the pic didn't know who he was'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'here's something for you - http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NUv7tx-DOTQ/UXKqqtaZ7CI/AAAAAAAAEoA/07uueHMiSJ4/s1600/Crispian%27s+Conspiracy+Flowchart.png'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seen it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I mean that the FBI is a rather huge organization with hundreds of thousands of concurrent operations, and everyone in that organization doesn't know each and every one of them'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anti-terrorism is a specialist and centralised division, abe'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teh first thing they would have/should have done after picking out the suspects would be to cross-reference them with known people on the watch list'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so what aren't you happy about, nuts?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I think they posted the pics publicly ASAP so the public could help ID them.  no point in waiting to be able to some out with a name.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not happy that your line of defence against terrorists are a bunch of witless wonders'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'all of that was probably happening concurrently or started v. soon after'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the pictures had been online for 2 days'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'can't really stop someone making those kind of bombs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you can't, no amount of surveillance and no amount of federal goons can protect you'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'REGISTER PRESSURE CANNERS'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i suppose the question is: Yet more FBI incompetence?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so why stress about how competent they are?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'was there any truth to the claim that reddit identified the suspects 12 hours before0the names were announced?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'reddit identified everyone with a backpack except for the bombers :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'register backpacks also!  Every school child is a suspect!'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'an unstoppable crime was committed, the suspects were caught fairly quickly, end of story?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '4chan identified a bunch of people with the backpacks including the suspects'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'holy shit, kojiro said something that makes sense :O'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Kojiro, it's the START of the story'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'but my question was if it was faster than the fbi'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call it end of chapter one'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, humbler'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'so that was an unfounded rumor?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next to find out who radicalised them, who knew, why the cell wasn't broken up, who allowed it to go on, and so on'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tiger, seriously?  4chan ID'd those guys before the pics were made public?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'im curious how their family had no idea'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They just released reports that the younger brother, the one they caught, had been shot in the neck and may not be able to answer questions. My question is, who shot him in the neck?? If he'd been shot in the shootout, how did he get into the boat afterwards?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the pics were all public, Kojiro'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'fair point tiger, that's true.  next step is to understand if they were sponsored.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'public how?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '4chan and reddit id'd pretty much everyone with a backpack which isn't much use'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the footage was from the live media feeds of the event, and all the photos published on facebook/other sources, Kojiro, none of the media was 'owned' by the FBI, so why would people need to wait for them to rerelease it to start analysing?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how did/can 4chan/reddit ID all these people?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are image searching utils out there to do facematching'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'but they got names faster than fbi, thats the part im unsure about. is that true?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they wouldn't, but i didn't see that dept store surveillance video until it was posted on the govt sites'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'they circled everyone with a backpack at some point. hardly difficult'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bust mostly what the internet sleuths did was identify POSSIBLE suspects and track their movements through all the footage'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nod nuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is partly what the fbi would have to do anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'collate all the info and start sorting through it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'i meant find the names, not circle faces'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are exists facematching software, humbler, though how good it is i don't know'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if you can track a face back to a bunch of images appearing on a number of facebook profiles, you can figure it out from there'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or, say for instance if someone was on the terrorist watch list, you might see it on there'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'i thought fbi tools would be specialized for facematching, what with 911'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it would be a pretty safe assumption to assume that the fbi have tools at least as good as is publicly available on the internet'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tiger were these kids even on FB?  I only read some russian social site (not FB)'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one at least was'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, assume he wasn't, that doesn't mean you can't find out who he is from facebook, you just need photos including him and other people'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Senator Lautenberg looking to introduce legistlation to require background checks for buying black powder '
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depressingly predictable'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I've gone to central park to see every NYC marathon since 2005.  Skipping this year's.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, you're more likely to die being struck by lightning than suffer at the hands of a bomber at the NYC marathon'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I've already been hit by lightning, and those odds might have been true before boston, but I don't think after it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many died from terrorist attacks in the US in the last 10 years?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how many terror attacks were there in the last 10 years?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reported, verified? at most, 1'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'now that a "winning" method has been executed (from a terror perspective), I have no interset placing myself in the most likely location to replicate it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'isn't there reserach showing mass shootings happen in clumps?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I consider that a form of terror attack'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that i've seen, since it clearly doesn't happen in clumps'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mass shootings are not a terror attack unless they fulfill specific criteria'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'look at this data:  looks clumpy enough for me:  http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, mother jones'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i dont know the site or the agenda, but there is some data'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't really see any clumping there'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tiger, what made boston a terro attack vs. mass murder?  I didn't see any proclamation for the motive or anything'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorism: noun. 1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. 2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. 3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government. '
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'question stands.  I have read no public political purpose, except they have backgrounds in islam'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically what the government is currently doing to army vets and certain gun owning sectors of the society is terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if their purpose was to engage in jihad, then that is a political agenda'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'seems a lot like a mass murder, just like these shootings, many of which happen 2 months after a previous shooting'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Strictly speaking, that definition makes the NRA a terrorist organization.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes tiger, IF, but there are no facts on that yet, hence i draw no conclusion'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has the NRA used violence or the threat of violence to intimidate or co-erce?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than being members of a 12-strong terror cell?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"Buy guns or criminals will MURDER your children in their beds!" <-- Using terror to coerce people, especially in political thought.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tiger were they?  I stopped reading most once they were caught'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something tells me that's not a quote, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No, but it's a theme in their rhetoric.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'A very blatant one.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allegedly so, Kojiro, hence the opening of the question asking why the feds asked for help id'ng them when they had been monitoring him for 2 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'misrepresentation by the left wing press, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The head of the NRA stood up at a press conference and outright said the only way to stop gn violence is to buy more guns :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'aren't there like 200 million guns in the US already?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be a flawed argument, cuthbert, but it doesn't constitute a threat of violence'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No, but it constitutes an implication of violence, which despite the convenient belief that implication != promoting a belief, is as good as saying it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but violence is a given, no need to imply it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the NRA had said "we need to shoot all the anti-gun people", then that would be a threat of violence'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saying "owning a gun provides you with a better level of protection against armed assailants" is not'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'violence will happen. period. saying that it will happen isn't threatening it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'whether it does or does not, it is usually wise to take the advice of someone with a vested financial interest in your decision with a huge grain of salt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'take away guns and people will just become more creative and end up killing even more people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'humans are good at that sort of thing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the world, Twyst, now go find anyone in business or politics that doesn't have a vested financial or ideological interest. You'll be searching for a loooong time'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'debatable'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'well then you have to use your judgement as to how ethical that person is and how much integrity they have'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, it isnt the law abiding self protection people with guns who are the problem....it is the unstable people who look for a weapon to hurt people with, be it a bus, a car, a gun, a bomb, a poison, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if the answer to the solution was less guns for example, would he recommend it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more specifically, you have to assess the words and motives of these people back through a prism to ascertain the truth'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i should also point out, that just because someone has a vested interest, or a bias, doesn't automatically disqualify what they say'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take Kojiro's mother jones link - Motherjones is a hateful extremist left-wing focus group with ties to the white house, doesn't mean that the information in that link isn't accurately collated'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it would cause me to take their analysis with a pinch of Twyst's salt and run it back through a anti-bias filter'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'fair enough'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'what is the fundamental difference between gun proliferation and nuclear proliferation'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'scale'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about everything'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except for the physical word "proliferation"'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on an individual level there is no difference'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Alright, found some quotes. " Gun-free schools zones tell every insane killer in America that schools are their safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk" <-- Criminals will kill your children, "[V]iolent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years! Add another hurricane, terrorist attack or some other natural or man-made disaster, and youve got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization." <--- The criminals are coming to get you, "Isnt fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography? " <-- Doesn't prove anything, just found it kinda hypocritical.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'if Kim Jong sung or w/e his name is can lose his mind and nuke my place of residence or my neighbor flips out and shoots me for no reason, I'm just as dead'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't try and bring those arguments up in court, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'did someone really just ask what the difference is between proliferation of guns vs. nuclear bombs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'is that a rhetorical question?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, kojiro, i'm glad my reaction wasn't unique'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and cuthbert, what you see there is sensationalism of the sort used by media to push a point of view, it still doesn't equate to a threat of violence'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the same way that firing a bubble-making gun doesn't constitute a threat of violence, neither does wearing a t-shirt with a gun on it, neither does eating a poptart into the shape of a gun, and neither does pointing your finger at a playmate and saying "bang"'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Um. Yes. Sorry, man, but it does. Implying bad things will happen to you if you don't listen to them may not equate to them personally threatening you, but it is still a threat of violence.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'What if the bubbles are filled with chlorine gas'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise a family member saying "we'd best get this cleared up before mother gets home else there'll be hell to pay" would be terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It's still pushing a political agenda through the use of fear.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a realistic threat of violence'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's fearmongering, it's just not a threat of violence'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's not a very concise analogy, since we're talking about political agendas, not pushing someone to clean their room.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'if you touch that stove you will get burnt, that isn't really a threat of violence.  The NRA does use scare tactics, but rarely threats of violence.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'ironically fearmongering is about as likely to lead to actual violence as threats are'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NRA do not have a police of going to schools and shooting kids in order to prove that disarmed schools are unsafe'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so it is a distinction without difference'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor have they ever done so'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Believability is a matter of personal interpretation, and whether it's a believable threat hinges on the reactions of the people listening to it. That people earnestly believe it is enough to warrant it as credible.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Twyst nods at Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Charlton Heston's you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands was kind of a threat of violence.  (The NRA can't control eveyone on their side.)'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Charlton's comments were not a threat of violence, but a statement of defence'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'He will defend himself from the rule of law.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'how so TN'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that his right to bear arms will not be infringed'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'constitutional amendments come and go, look at prohibition'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'he didn't exactly qualify it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'unless that rule is changed.  If we vote to change laws he will kill people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then ammend it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that he's been dead for a few years, that's unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'you get the point though'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the point, and it was irrelevent since you can't apply laws that don't exist to statements made years ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is a thought experiment, the only thing allowing you to say it was a statement of defence is that it was lawful'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it brings up something i've said before - if the anti-gun lobby are so set of screwing with gun ownership, table a constitutional ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was lawful when the statement was made, and it's currently still alwful'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'but if you vote to change the law he will kill people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'so 10-15-30 years from now, I have just invented a fusion gun, hand-held ability to level say an apartment building'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't follow, Malkar'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'constitutionally protected?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty pointless conjecture, Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'why is it pointless'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it's multiple hundred years in the future you're thinking'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if at all, ever'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'just trying to illustrate a point though, although the founding fathers were smart and ahead of their time'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'they died hundreds of years ago and couldn't have forseen the advances modern technology would bring'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also didn't envisage the complete clusterfuck future generations would make of governance/governing'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or how retarded, lazy, and greedy the governed would become'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'people haven't changed all that much'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I agree with you Twyst.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, vanna white makes $4 million a year to turn the letters on wheel of fortune....'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'she doesn't even turn the letters anymore'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kinda surprised they still have to manually throw the wheel'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'what does she do?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'does she make bacon banana splits ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the letters are touchscreen now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so she basically stands next to them and points and they change ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hard job!'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's been computerized since 1997 :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she's a glorified hostess, really'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she touches them'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course she might get arthritis in her elbow from all that pointing.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still like the bacon banana split though.....chocolate, blueberry and strawberry ice cream with toppings and real bacon bits.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah and when I went to look up exactly when it was'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I also found that on april 1 1997, apparently pat sajak and alex trebek traded hosting jobs for the day?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still though, pat sajak makes $8 million a year doing the wheel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haha yes, I found it'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder what hells kitchen does with the badly cooked food.....fed to pigs perhaps ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'throw it out and yell at the aspiring chefs'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should feed it to pigs.....need more bacon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all of the food waste from las vegas casinos and restaurants is shredded, boiled and given to pigs in a huge pig ranch outside of town....the pork is then supplied back to casinos and restaurants.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those vegas piggies eat better then most poor people....lobster, crab, steak, etc. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love preppers....they are the most creative people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'doomsday preppers?'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'regular preppers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just watched a video on canning bacon by a texas prepper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'avery brooks is nuts......william shatner said so, so it must be true.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the US is providing the syrian rebels with $250 million in non military weapons aid, a doubling from the $120 million first mentioned.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I think it's so exciting. I was wondering what we'd do in 15-20 years without a new Taliban to fight, and here we go!'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'pureply out of curiosity i did a search on the website for portlan's main newspaper, and there was an article about this in there on November 15th, 2012. you should have used the newspaper.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught gasps in astonishment.
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fawlty: 'oh, that was meant for curse... we're debating over there, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'figured'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how many times can you sing about an "unsung" hero before it becomes a "well sung" hero?  '
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lamya: 'The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as good an answer as any, I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've wasted alot of time finding light daggers for my OH'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"See something - Say something"'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'A certain cancer treatment center has a "patient satisfaction rating of 95%"...  that means that 5% of the survivors wern't happy about something.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 2009, the federal budget deficit was 10.2 % of the economy.....today it is 5.3%, and in 2016 it is expected to be 2.4%.....unless of course we make congress republican controlled and elect a neocon president...then we can expect huge deficits again as a % of the economy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'source?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the CBO website.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shikai: 'Wait, you mean that we are spending less money now that we aren't involved in 2 wars? Shocking news, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I need a new wide-screen - where's my 'stimulous'?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'according to http://www.cbo.gov/publication/21999, it's only *expected* to be 5.3% in 2016...and that, as with all government economic forecasts, is absurdly optimistic'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lady down the road has really been off her rocker - can we PLEASE get a stimulous so she can buy something better than the crack she smokes now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What's more, the national debt that has accumulated from annual deficits is also projected to fall to an estimated 73.1% of GDP in 2018 from an estimated 76.3% today.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hello mcfly!  I said expected :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'you're telling me the debt is going to go down, even though we're still running deficits every year?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'ah, as a percent of GDP'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'yeah, that's pretty easy when you adjust the way that GDP is calculated, which has just been done.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'for reference - http://www.ibtimes.com/us-economy-will-grow-3-percent-july-new-way-looking-gdp-goes-effect-1206813'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the japanese national debt as a % of the GDP is over 200%'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'yes, i'm aware.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xei: 'there's no magic point where debt to GDP means the economic crashes, but debt beyond a certain point is unsustainable without major adjustments/defaults.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so with CISPA reintroduced to the house and passing initial votes, should be pointed out that the guy who reintroduced it is married to a women who is(was?) on the board of AEGIS, who have already benefited from $10bn worth of USA contracts related to cybersecurity. Hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, CISPA has grave consequences for those of us in the UK due to the intelligence sharing agreement in place between the governments, so do me a favour and call your congressmen and tell them to vote it down or get out'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_uX1RczgQA'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shortage of people able to speak coherently in North Dakota?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now it is overpriced!'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is overpriced?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Japanese authorities colluding with ISP's to clamp down on people's use of Tor'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's another really bad precedent'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'wow thats wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, well CISPA will do the same thing, your isp can basically spy on you and not tell you'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any business can'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they do that anyways.  Cookies, anyone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they monitor and record, but if it's encrypted, not much they can do without compromising the end points'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"The Boston bombing is a perfect example of why we need to expand gun control in this nation"'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no one disagrees with that?  huh.  Well I do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Actually the Boston bombing is a perfect example of an incident which is irrelevant to the current gun debate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I know... right?!'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if Tamerlan had just bothered to get his gun license, the marathon bombings wouldn't have been as bad as they were.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'expatiate'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the Boston bombing IS an example of pro-abortion sentiment, however. If mom had aborted those two assholes, it would have happened.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'eq'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'geez you guys will joke about anything'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'miss'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just .. I need sleep I think'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'school anti-bullying campaignes are way out of control, qq'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who agreed with that, vonliege?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than fuckwits?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'lock wha?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Humbler: 'ergo ipso facto ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'off :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '[22 Apr 17:09:50] (Debate) Vonliege: '"The Boston bombing is a perfect example of why we need to expand gun control in this nation"''
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or miss that is.. fuck I need sleep'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'The Boston Gun dudes didn't have permits for their guns :('
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't blow people up with guns'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I thought they got in a shootout with the coppers'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently so'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I just logged on and saw the cut and paste about expanding gun control.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Don't think gun control is going to stop bombings, or shootouts with coppers'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not convinced that terrorist cells buy their guns legally from places that do background checks'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'NO pone agrees with that argument, but it's a good one to make if red herring is a favorite dish'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no one, not no phone'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'i'm going to bed'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no phone either'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sorry.. was AFK.. .that was being put out over PMSNBC, TN'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ooooh ok, I was going to slap you vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why should bad guys get their guns legally?  The cartels smuggle in all kinds of automatics over the border with their slaves, drugs, and money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it must hurt like hell when the mules have to pass those'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well what do you expect, vonliege? it's a WH mouthpiece'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they smuggle cash and guns back the other direction, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually no, they smuggle in automatics from mexico.....old NATO guns....they are finding them in the hands of criminals in houston.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it has also happened the other way, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mr Holder and his "Fast and Furious" scheme'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought it was indicative of the liberal agenda that they will latch onto ANYthing to advance gun control.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guns are worth something in the US, guns are worthless in mexico....'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They smuggle the guns wherever they need them at the time'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can go to tijuana and buy a dozen guns for $5'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you notice that they shut up pretty fucking quick when it was put out that the ricin letter guy was a democrat?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'guns move around the under-developed world like we move up and down the interatate.  They are an unchecked, uncontroled comodity that is bought and sold like we buy milk at the grocery store...  and in NONE of those countries tdo they give credit to the mayhem to the GUN... they give credit where credit is due.,.. to the guy who pulls (holds down) the trigger'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BUT!  and hold on to your seats... we still need gun laws.  We need gun laws so that when a gun is used to comit a crime, the CRIMINAL can be punished.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the immediate threat of gun legislation is gone, there has been a lot going on through regulation that is screwing it up. Did you see the video of the Staff Sergeant hiking with his son getting badly treated by a random cop because someone had phoned in worried that he had a rifle?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'note - I said "gun laws", not "gun control"'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I went to town day before yesterday, and carried my deer rifle just to see what would happen.  I went to the drug store (89¢ DR Pepper 2 litters at the CVS), I went to the autozone (have a blinker out on my farm truck), and I went to the county courthouse to renew the farm permit on the truck.  I didn't get ONE second look... until the courthouse where the fellow at the metal detector said he'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '..... said he'd keep an eye on it till I got done.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this texas army guy got arrested for "rudely displaying a firearm", at one point the cop said that the law didn't apply to him'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are places in this country where no amount of "gun control" is ever going to have much of an impact.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what was the outcome of that?  did the guy go to prison?  or jail?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did ANYTHING stick?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right to carry isn't right to brandish, etc...would need particulars to judge which side would be correct...'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after a few hours in custody he was released without charge, and is now persuing and extremely voiciferous lawsuit against Temple cops'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seeking damages and the sacking of the cop involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed - if the fellow was waving it around, and going "boo!" to everyone he met... his poop is pretty thin'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he wasn't, he was carrying it in a sling'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't Texas have a frivolous lawsuit law now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the cop needed to do is just check in on him, and maybe suggest he get some sort bag to put it in'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno hans, you'd have to ask riz about that'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'IF he was behaving himself, and it was indeed an over zealous LEO who did the wrong thing, I'd say that will make a legitimate lawsuit'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, he was, and he does have a case'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I believe they do now.  If your case gets tossed as frivolous, you have to pay all the bills related to that case (for both sides).'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, this was a rifle...he was on a 10-mile hike with boy scouts'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was the kid who went into the crocery debate then there's this one:  "Man Who Brought Loaded AR-15 Into Kroger Grocery Store Will Not Face Charges, Police Say "'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the guy with the AR-15 never took it off his shoulder.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only been able to review left-ist reports... they didn't mention that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but from what I recall, he was actually detained, and still hasn't gotten the rifle back'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, he was just walking around doing his normal business.  He wasn't even threatening or acting erratic.  It was basically everyone else around him freaking the fuck out.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'virgina has some sort of loophole where once a weapon is confiscated, it is NEVER returned - regardelss of the circumstance around any arrest, detainment, siezure, or confiscation.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that needs to change'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially in light of the arbitrary confiscations going on countrywide'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if the weapons is found to have no part in any illigal activity, and is leagally owned, the owner is compensated fair market value.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really the point, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'children in America are too coddled, today'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'spoiled, pampered, and being raised by the institution (gross generalization, I know)'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Each generation is more pampered than the last.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'kept safe from harm by teachers and anti-bullying rules, where they learn that the government will take over their care once they are of age.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to which I say - BULLSHIT!  when I was a child, I was bullied.  Those around me were bullied.  I learned to DEAL.  I learned how to evade, manipulate and (dare I say it?) overcome!  and when I was older, I STILL faced bullies.  We ALL do.  And because DEALING was part of my childhood education, I say "Big WHOOP! - look at the big, bad BULLY!  shut up an wash my windshield, bully"'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I for one have never had the guy washing my windshield, or serving me fries, step up, so to speak'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'my only problem with the way the school system deals with bullies, is that it puts someone in self defense at fault.  If an adult threatens to hit you, you can have him charged with assault.  In school you're told to "deal with it".'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'except if you do come to fists, you're liable to get suspended, etc.  Which is retarded.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My school always asked people if they wanted "to press charges," but nobody ever did.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'People made up and got on with their lives.  Then again, my school was in a South Texas farming town, so...'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '"""""'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '[22 Apr 18:22:40] (Debate) Taokan: 'my only problem ...In school you're told to "deal with it".'  You should learn to deal with it.  It's part of learning, and it's part growing up.  in TODAYS schools, there is zero tolerance for bullying...  There is no innoculation.  No immune system response to bullying being gained... children are utterly shielded from any adversity, and they will expect that same level of shielding from government when they are older.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'color fail'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel comforts Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '[22 Apr 18:22:40] (Debate) Taokan: 'my only problem ...In school you're told to "deal with it".'  You should learn to deal with it.  It's part of learning, and it's part growing up.  in TODAYS schools, there is zero tolerance for bullying...  There is no innoculation.  No immune system response to bullying being gained... children are utterly shielded from any adversity, and they will expect that same level of shielding from government when they are older.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that looks worse... looks like Taokan said ALL of that....'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lemme try one more time'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nooooo we got it the first time'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel shields her eyes!!
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '[22 Apr 18:22:40] (Debate) Taokan: 'my only problem ...In school you're told to "deal with it".' To which I (Vonliege) respond: You should learn to deal with it.  It's part of learning, and it's part growing up.  in TODAYS schools, there is zero tolerance for bullying...  There is no innoculation.  No immune system response to bullying being gained... children are utterly shielded from any adversity, and they will expect that same level of shielding from government when they are older.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel makes hundreds of magical colors with a wave of her hands.
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there... that ought to be clear enough.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most of the rants and bitching in this channel is cause someone didn't understand who/what/when something else was said.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just deal with it...'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'please be more clear... deal with the bullying, everyone deal with my color fail, I deal with my color fail, or deal with the rants?'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"it", in that context, is a VERY big word indeed'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deal with the wasted fruit on the trees in portland.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Think of Rizgoths donkeys!'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Erm, donkies in this case'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doonkies'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Rizgoth's doonkies'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is a charity in portland that lets people donate their wasted fruit on their trees to food banks, or shelters.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the charity picks the fruit for the homeowner.'
T3/r7/2013-04-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless there is more than one of him... say MR Riz, and MRS Riz, in which case they would be the Rizgoths' donkies'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Special needs children in mainstream classrooms.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the following testament is a single anecdotal example, and therefore demonstrates poor debate etiquette, but I will offer it as stimulus for further discussion.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my wife teaches 6th graders.  She has two "special needs" children in her mainstream class for all but two hours each day (the other two hours are spent in another "mainstream classroom").  Of the two children, one requires near-constant attention, and of every hour spent instructing the class, about 20 minutes are spent instructing the one child.  The other requires about 3-4 behavioral corrections per hour, and about 10 minutes one-on-one instruction per hour.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'finally, one of the children has had a clinical evaluation stating that he is suicidal AND homicidal.  The child maintains a "death book" filled with the names of all the people (students, neighbors and teachers) that he is going to kill.  This "death book" is protected by his first amendment rights, and his seat in the classroom is protected by the "no child left behind" legislation.  Until he commits a physical act to support his clinically diagnosed homicidal nature, he is untouchable.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'tl:dr'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Not sure that you're right on that 'death book'.  There's been plenty of instances of people being placed in alternative schools as well as having interventions  based on things they've written'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in fact, there's been cases of schools going to extremes on those, and looking a bit silly'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... in this case, the child AND the book were scritinized - in the end, the administration had to appologize for the 3 days the child missed from school while he was being evaluated at a center in the "big city".  While the clinical diagnosis of "homicidal" still sttod, the doctors conducting the evalauation said there was a "low" chance of his ever acting on it.  Again, this example is anecdotal, and does not neccessarily reflect the norm across all circumstance.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no, but what it does reflect, I'm almost sure of, is the fear that schools have of lawyers'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but to my un-clinical eye, and as a parent of students and husband to teachers in that school - there would be holy hell to pay if it ever did go south.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't disagree, I taught in public education for a long time, and my wife still is an educator'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'husband to teacher - singlular.  I am not a poligamist.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'thought, thankfully, she got out of public education'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'err, that should be though, but I'm sure you figure that out  :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed.. abelinc doesn't pop up here too often'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, this isn't really an argument against special needs so much as it is an argument against children who disrupt the learning environment for others regardless of reason'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is true.  I will, however, state that "special needs" children are predisposed to do as you describe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it is not PC to discipline them'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'here's my anecdote -- in my first school, which was private, there was a young man who was very bright, but had cerebral palsy and dragged his foot when he walked. The public school had utterly refused to consider any placement other than a 'life skills' special needs class, despite the fact that the only accommodation he would have required was adaptations in PE. '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'any sort of shift in what happens to kids with 'special needs' needs to take both of these sets into account. the ones who are inappropriately mainstreamed now and the ones who were inappropriately NOT mainstreamed before. ya know what I mean?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, how nice....your employer can seize your smartphone if they are sued for any reason and check your phone for information.....they could hold your phone for months.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'look at the flip side of that... you can use your smartphone to get your employer in trouble, and they are powerless to defend themselves because the information is on your smartphone'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would get in the habit of wiping your smartphone every week of photos, emails, if you connect it to a company server of any kind.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at my former employer, one you connected ANY device to the netowork (used a flash drive, connected with smartphone, etc... ) that device became property of the employer'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was it a requirement to use the smartphone for work purposes though ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'as an admin i'd beat you with a hammer for plugging your shit into company's network'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is different then.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if it was "required", it was provided'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or at least paid for.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so were you talking about a private phone, or a company phone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '44% of companies that require you to connect a phone to a company network reimb for the phone, or provide, and it is rising.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fuck the phones. the security risk sounds scarier'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was talking about a private phone that was used to read emails on the company server.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ah, now that's something different'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think the company requires that people use their own phones to check email.  the individual likely did it out of convienience.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damnit, the price of oil needs to go back to $140 a barrel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got some corn planted, do ya?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wth is wrong with opec.....cut production by 1 million barrels already!'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, if I grew corn I would ship it off to India or China.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'make more money.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need some saber rattling in Iran or something....test a nuclear weapon.....that will raise the price of oil!'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'out of curiosity... why?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska makes more money the higher the price of oil :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil isnt going to last forever, so the perm fund needs to build up as much as possible for when the oil production drops.....that perm fund will need to provide for the state budget someday.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why I want the natgas pipeline built....that would add $20 billion to the perm fund over 30 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do you care what alaska makes?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't even live in AK'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my mothers side of the family is from Alaska, and I am 1/4th alaska native. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I am a member of a tribe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that most of the rest of us here would rather see gas stay cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'But vonliege - price of oil doesn't dictate pump prices.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is your opinion, which is fine :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it sure as hell effects it'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Okay - so when the barrel went from 140 to 90.. Did you see your gas prices drop?  Nope.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'two of my vehicles use natgas....$1.85 per gallon atm.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate again, Riz.. you can't make an argument for just yourself'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more and more oil is used to make products that are exported overseas and not sold as gasoline in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so there's competition for oil - that's really old news'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the value of gasoline has been mostly detached from the price of oil for around 5 years now, since refineries have started exporting more fuels and products.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of that oil produced in north dakota and canada when the xl pipeline is built will be for export use, not domestic.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just looked at a couple of charts that laid the price of crude next to the price of gas across the last 40-50 years (up to 2012)... the prices are in almost perfect lockstep'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'crude goes up - gas goes up'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'crude goes down-gas doesnt go down'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is more interesting is how US/Canada oil is priced $25 less per barrel compared to world prices, but the price of gasoline is still based on the world price. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm telling you... look up some charts... crude and gas prices are linked'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Actually, I withdraw my statement about crude down =/= gas down.  It does.  Just pulled random places historical for the last 3 years, and compared to barrel prices.  Looks to be strongly correlated.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'it's just confirmation bias on our parts.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'give us a source that supports your statement, Xaeris'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more people should switch to natgas'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure.. they should.  but they will not do it until it'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure.. they should.  but they will not do it until it's cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'wait.  Wait.  Wait a minute.  You guys take /everything/ else everyone says, and the minute I quote that I've looked at numbers, and are willing to state they're strongly correlated, "ZOMG DATAZ"'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is cheaper :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all around cheaper, and available'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas is 50% less compared to gasoline.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what would it cost me to convert... how much would it cost to drive the 55 miles to the nearest source...'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you have natgas at home you can get a federal rebate to install a pump in your garage.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will I still be able to tow a trailer with 24 round bales on it....'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some states also offer a rebate.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'installing a pump at my house cost about $2000, the feds gave me a $1500 rebate, and the state the other $500'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and withthat pump at your house, you are limited to what radius driveing from your house?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, I had a natgas pump installed before I bought the car.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never used commercial pumps.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what of your family in alaska?  how far apart are the natural gas pumps in an area were you can't afford to pass up one single gas pump?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alaska does not use natgas cars that I know of, even though every neighborhood in anchorage is supposed to have natgas connections now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you never venture outside the range of your car? you never take a trip where you have to fill up on the road?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a gas/electric hybrid for longer trips, the natgas vehicle is my daily driver around the metro area.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what of natural gases propernsity to freeze up carbs?  it's worse than diesel for cold weather climates'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dont really have that problem in the southern part of the US :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and where do you think your rebates came from?  taxpayers, perhaps?  it's like a government subsidy to a solar company.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so?  oil companies get $2 billion a year in subsidies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if EVERYONE switched to nat gas, do you suppose there would be rebates for EVERYONE?  maybe the first 5%'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then get yours while you can!'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's like the "free" hover-round from the scooter store.... WE buy those!'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the rebate for the prius hybrid expired after 40,000 were sold.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not sure about the volt number, or the leaf.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so little more than a gimick... hardly a sustainable argument for conversion of the masses'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas is still cheaper, :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it will not be cheaper when the taxpayers have to pay to convert all the poor poeple.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Gas is here - it's convienient - it's available - virtually every car uses it (or diesel)....'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'According to the Natural Gas Vehicle Coalition, there are more than 120,000 CNG vehicles in use in the United States, and nearly 9 million worldwide.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it will continue until there is so little of it left, that conversion is the only route'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of the natgas vehicles in the US are commercial fleets like UPS'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and for that, I can applaud.  there was likely a very comprehensive cost/benifit analyasis, and it made good fiscal scense.  '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since FDR was president, the avg republican increased the budget by 14% or so, and the avg democrat increased the budget by about 6% or so.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and clinton actually reduced the budget a few years of his presidency.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Great Briton and France both say Syria has used chemical weapons on its own population'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"gosh, Vonliege... why do we care", you ask?  '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well I'm glad you asked - because Obama has made numerous public statements that "the movement or use of chemicals" would be a trigger for US action in the region.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so i also am qouted on several rl occasions that i will do or did my homework does mean i did it or will do it'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'doesnt*'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got ya....'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the real side show here... is WILL obama do what he has threatened?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not if'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well why do YOU care?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'money... international credibility... I have A LOT of friends and aquaintences that would be involved'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'still dont see how it would affect you personally'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'involuntary recall?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'would you be eligible to be recalled?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're in the US, right, Griss?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no i am from South Africa'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... during WWII, in the US, out ENTIRE NATION was at war.  Every able bodied man and woman made a contribution - even the children gathered scrap metal - it effected everyone in the nation on a daily basis.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was rationing, everyone planted gardens, factories turned out war materiel day and noght....'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ok,but will the thing that obama threatens to do cause a world war? '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in TODAY'S america, war is something that only effects the military.  No one rations, no one changes one single aspect of their life, unless they are fighting, or have a loved one fighting. '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so exactly my point it wont affect you right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the short answer to your question "why do you [as an american] care?" is - I don't... americans just don't care.  as long as gass is less than $5 a gallon, and there's plenty of sports on TV, it's life as usually'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's just plain pathetic'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's easy not to care if you are an overwhelming force killing people in their home lands. Unless you have a conscience.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I CARE, because I am not a worthless, self-interested, egotistical, shit living my pathetic wal-mart life.  I CARE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's good. Wish more people did.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I CARE, because if syria IS using chemical weapons on his own people - someone needs to make it stop... I don't see SA doing that any time soon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Can't solve those type of problems by invading, though, so the US is kind of out of the equation too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'maybe but let me close my part in this debate by saying:"I WILL die to save my country"'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Good for you. Fortunately, no one has attacked the US since WWII, so you won't havr to.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's wonderful... Do you think that the US had anything to do with S.A. independence?  '
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course they did.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you honestly don't think that economic and social preasure from the US didn't have anything to do with dismantling apartide?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'really so they helped us fight the british?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'techically we were independent before that so really that means nothing'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'SA was independent under apartheid'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just like the US was independent before the civil war'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... and Nazi Germany was independent under Hitler... I got ya'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course it was...who were they dependent on?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and really who was the first major country to implement segregation the USA imo'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me rephrase - SA was not independent from tyrany and racisim under arpatheid'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, grissom, it's been common for thousands of years'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'To simplify world history, WWII gave a lot of countries independance, and the US was the reason WWII was won, hence the US gave the world independance from the british. Of course, the simple story is often wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'SA isn't independent from them now'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor is most of the world'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but none of those have anything to do with a country's independence'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Abelinc - short answer - is SA better off with, or without aparthied?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'you used apartheid before SA was founded so why are we picked on and really the world needs to seriously get over racism it is FUCKING stupid'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your statement when I walked in was whether the US worked toward SA independence...and they had fuck-all to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I seriously doubt you jumped right into the middle of a conversation without looking thru the buffer a little bit, Abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and if you're going to go to WWII for "independence from British", Ranrr, the US would've been fighting on the opposite side of that battle...'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he is refering to the fallout - the sorting out of borders post-WWII'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since the side the US fought on was the British's side...the "bad guys" were the ones giving British colonies independence by taking them from the Brits and they were just never quite handed back'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Still, it was one of the aftermaths of WWII. But I agree, the US would be against independance, since they also lost a lot of their colonies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the british renounced several claims in the wake of WWII'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... steering back to the issue that started this shit storm (mild, by channel standards) - will obama hold to his guns and intervine in syria if syria has indeed used chemical weapons as France and GB have claimed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure, he can't be elected again'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'OH!!! I see now... I was randomly putting periods in your statement to try and figure out what your were saysing... the period goes after the 18!'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan... don't even ask'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a good point... he can't, but he CAN hurt the party'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'how did you guys even end up on a MUD'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'old fart'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'achieved success... decided to mud to experience failure'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, just saw an aquaponics kale plant that was 4 feet tall and 3 feet wide.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is well on its way to being food self sufficient as a state, aquaponic farms are popping up all over.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they'll export it to where ever it sells best'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Texas changed its raw milk and kefir laws.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Going to make my own Texas bar....going it call it Donkey Ugly.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, the kfc boneless is yummy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas will be swallowed whole by hordes of Democrat immigrants that will fuck up the economy by imposing huge taxes and claiming vast amounts of welfare'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fox news tops all cable for 1st time since 2005, that must burn the lefty press'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hate to disappoint them, but the Texas welfare system ranks 50th in the nation :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and most immigrants who come to Texas are hispanics, and they are hard workers, and usually vote republican...not conservative, but republican.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what else we got? a ban on importation of ammo, magazines and accessories by executiuve order, a tax on all internet sales (of anything whatsoever)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '72% vote democrat, rizer'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even Fox could make 28% be "most"'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'every hispanic I know is a republican.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably because you don't consort with democrats'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I dont care what party you are, as long as you are not conservative :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK news is mundane in comparison, same old 1% screwing everyone else over while pretending they're trying to help'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'france to legalise gay marriage despite massive protest'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no-one cares because French people smell anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surrender eating cheese monkies'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aquaponics is extremely promising....and farms can scale it up pretty easy to produce lots of veggies, fruits and fish or crabs, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be banned'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it might be banned in the UK, but not in Texas....it is growing faster then any kind of farming.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it -will- be banned in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Texas state govt supports it completely.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the feds ban it, it's banned'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and why would they ban it ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aquaponics in the hands of the public represents a threat to the monopoly of control on production of food by the feds'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so?  People have been growing food for themselves ever since the country was founded, it isnt going to end.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure it will, how you have government monopoly of food supply if you let the slaves grow their own food?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, good luck with that, I keep enjoying the fresh pork and beef we have on our ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'until they get confiscated'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to add an aquaponics system soon to grow fish and veggies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you'll be swat teamed and arrested for drugs offences'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aquaponics is revolutionizing food production, it is spreading like wildfire.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Switzerland is going all in on aquaponics to expand their own food supply.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at a research center in Switzerland they are growing coffee and bananas in an aquaponics greenhouse, and lots of protein filled fish.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racists'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have foreign made weapons, hope you've got plenty of spares, you soon won't be able to buy any made abroad'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what he'll then do is stop issuing certificates for gun manufacturer, and start going after those that are remaining - eventually you'll be left with a situation where owning guns isn't illegal, but it might as well be because no-one will be manufacturing them'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guess the big woods of wisconsin weren't so big back in the 1850s.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2 rabbit does and 1 rabbit buck can produce 180 lbs of meat per year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you eat the rabbit organ meat, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fried rabbit, salad with ranch dressing, rolls with fresh butter and honey, steamed veggies with butter :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmm fried rabbit'
T3/r7/2013-04-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kashra: 'chipotle '
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn, Apple has $145 billion in cash sitting in banks around the world......'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the paulownia anagenesis trifloria, a new patented hardwood tree that grows up to 21 feet per year.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what is it good for?  pulp?  fuel?  furniature?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'beating people over the head with.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't beat people with stick... nor do I know anyone who does.  so it's worthless to me and everyone I know'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a biotech company created the new tree....no idea what it would be used for atm.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, it's not that you don't know anyone who does...you don't know whether anyone you know does'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'reminds me of the lorax'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at 21 feet per year.. I can't imagine that it has much density'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'looks like the first use for it will be for burning to produce electricty, and then ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I would guess pulp/paper or fuel is the intended use'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently the natural version of the tree has a really high sugar content, around 68%, so it can produce 4x more ethanol then other trees.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is a 55-day corn available now, but it's so low in sugars that it's only good for siliage/feed'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh Lord... now fireworks will be federally banned'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll be "Phantom Fireworks" gets their butts sued to hell and back, too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'During the Civil War, most of the $250 million U.S. gold reserve was sold to England for $16 ounce.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you got it all back plus some'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We bought most of that gold 40 years earlier for $19 an oz :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that would be half a million tons of gold'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? no it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '500 tons'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ish'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '((($250,000,000 / $16)/ 16 oz) / 2,000) = 500 tons... my bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'divided by 2, rather than 2K'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rand Paul didn't do himself any favours the other day with his comments in support of armed drones'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that must be the voodoo economics math of the neocons :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what the hell... let's give it all to the libs so that we can all be gutter-suckers together'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'que?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'care to explain that comment?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the ultimate goal of socialism is for everone to live in the same house with the same income with the same car with the same health care with the same EVERYTHING - since there's no point to clawing upward anymore - no one cares what they achieve, so the end result of "all the same" is "nothing"'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear that Obama is suggesting that violent sports breeds terrorism?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the 1950s, the US tried to control the gold market by requiring the world wide price be $35 an oz...it ended up causing 8 european countries to lose almost $1 billion in gold reserves, and the US lost $3.2 billion in gold reserves. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't think it was obama... but I heard the report that boxing is what led the older brother to become a terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the FBI is what led to the elder brother adopting terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the older brother is what led to the older brother sdopting terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, some nut blowing up a marathon is not an excuse for martial law, for more security, or for further gun control or federal encroachment into civil liberties or the affairs of states'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully we can all agree on that'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no - no - yes - yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'incorrect answer'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you wanna keep from getting blown up.. you need security'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and sometimes that means martial law'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no amount of security would have helped'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for a short time'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it does not justify martial law'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I sholdn't lock my home?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you do to your home is your choice'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or my car when I go to the mall?  just leave it ipen?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'open'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we should just let everyone do ewhat they want and believe that they will be good?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what we have in america is the result of a permissive and indiciplined society'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, if a crook gets trapped in your property, he could successfully sue you for hardship.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you take the "do what you want" approach, you have to accept that from time to time - someone will "want" to blow something up.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all very well, but it's entirely irrevelent to the question at hand'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I forgot what the question was'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had more than a hundred members of security on duty, cameras everywhere, bomb drills, sniffer dogs'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bombing still occurred. no amount of security would have stopped it'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want a lower risk of terrorist bombings, take a look at your foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sero security would mean it happens every day'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zero'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody was asking for zero security'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what's the right amount?  zero or more?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zero security means it happens all the time... some security means it happens often... more secruty means it happens less'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is not a linear relationship'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have already passed the point of diminishing returns'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'none of us has a clue to how many hundreds of attacks have been stopped because of increased security'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, 3'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you are in the NSAs inner circle?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you get daily briefs from the CIA?  '
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas the FBI have created 23 of their own terrorist attacks with the purpose of exposing them to get funding'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does the president pick up the phone and give you a call evert time we pop someone?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the CIA doesn't prevent terrorism in the homeland, it isn't their job'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither does the NSA'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you know this how?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their mission statement and remit'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point is that we don't (and shouldn't) know all that goes on.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a point well made and disagreed with'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't believe anything else about them, but you believe their mission statement?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your intelligence services are out of control'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and MI6 is doing better?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've even had your own presidents alluding to that'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MI6 is 'less bad' only because they are smaller'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MI6 are responsible for the only major non-irish related terrorist attack on UK soil in the last 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'source?  (besides alex jones)'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, Vonliege must be George W Bush's concubine or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Former Justice Department prosecutor John Loftus, Former MI5 officer David Shayler, London Independent reported on it'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know how to respond to that'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sources are out there if you're prepared to look further than the first search page of google then automatically disregard the results'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're just not prepared to believe anything'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am a sceptic - everyone has a conspiracy - everyone has an agenda'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should look up the definition of 'conspiracy' some time'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you look at the second page of google results?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goat'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether you believe he turned double-agent, or whether you believe he was a patsy, i'll leave that up to you - we won't know for at least 68 years more'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless someone has a deathbed confession'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing is for sure is that you should seriously consider standing back from wanting to bring more authoritarianism and privacy-intruding government down on us if you're not prepared to first consider the efficacy (or lack of it) morality (or lack of it) and direction (or misdirection) of the existing security and foreign policies'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You only know of the failures, not the successes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here, have an uplifting news headline: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/sword-wielding-lds-bishop-aid-neighbor-article-1.1325905'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the successes, like deliberately escorting the underwear bomber onto the plane without a passport knowing that you'd already ordered the naked body scanners from a company and set to benefit financially from it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like facilitating the plot to bomb the WTC in 1993 and getting found out because an Egyptian patsy being used recorded them and blew the whistle?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps like blaming a guy for shooting Ted Kennedy when the ballistics didn't match (not even the right calibre, much less the same gun)'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'faking intelligence to justify an illegal invasion of Iraq that led to the death of more than 600,000 civilians?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then holding the UK government to ransom to prevent evidence coming out in the judicial enquiry we set up to investigate it'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like giving $100s of millions in aid to Al-Qaeda fighting Assad in Syria? Like connin Gadaffi into disarming his nukes, investing his oil money in western concerns, then funding the rebels and seizing all the money?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like shooting dead a US soldier for blowing the whistle on drug trafficking going on from Afghanistan using military transport, then trying to blame it on friendly fire?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'running guns to Mexico in order to demonise the second ammendment?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ViaSat-1 is a communications satellite owned by ViaSat. Launched October 19, 2011 aboard a Proton rocket, it holds the Guinness record for the world's highest capacity communications satellite with a total capacity in excess of 140 Gbit/s, more than all the satellites covering North America combined, at the time of its launch.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How come corn is in the bible ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'isnt corn a food that came from the Americas?  I dont think they had it in the middle east....or Africa so long ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps they meant quorn :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Smoke bombs: Illegal or a culturally discriminative ban. Discuss!'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'omg how can they even consider making it ok for companies to be able to ask for passwords!!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, an air powered car....it uses compressed air, has a top speed of 43 mph, can carry 2 people, and has a range of around 100 miles...takes 2 minutes to recharge the tank, at a cost of 50 cents.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tata motors of india is producing the car, plus 4 others like it including a truck version for businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a top speed that means it can just barely get onto the interstate?  That's a non-starter here in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is designed for city driving only'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are about 1 billion people worldwide who would love a car like that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/boston-marathon-bombing-game-created-shock-website-204643390--abc-news-tech.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Florida, minors who are convicted of homicide must be given a mandatory minimum sentence of 50 years without the possibility of parole (parole was outlawed there in '83).'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the 50-year term was instituted after a SCOTUS ruling made life without parole unconstitutional for minors.'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we need to get a real debate going, full of important as well insightful commentary'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Cake is TOO an awesome band! (Discuss)'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more people like Pie than Cake'
T3/r7/2013-04-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'shush'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '"To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;"'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US - The top [rich] 50% of the population pays 98% of the taxes.  The bottom [poor] 50% pay only 2%. (Fox News this morning)'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'can't argue with that logic'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'lady on the local news can't pronounce Tsarnaev.'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'women will use big hats to muggle explosives into the Kentuky Derby'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a load of balls'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US media is hugely partisan, it's almost comical these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw a lengthy clip of Rachel Fatcow and it was like watching Iraq TV in the Hussain era'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fox was like watching a broadcast from Nazi Germany during WW2'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both cases pushing extremist ideology as fact'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I hope fox wins the propaganda war'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'utterly sick of politicians'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather there wasn't a propaganda war, there's no wonder people aren't watching mainstream media news these days'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is an overly optimistic statement - most americans still watch mainstream media'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually they don''
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where do most americans get their news?'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you seen the viewing figures of late?'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides the barber shop'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'internet/newspapers'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would agree that more are getting news from non-traditional sources.... but still far from most'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mom-and-pop america still watch the evening news over supper'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean mom'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or pop'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'family's dead, dude, it was wiped out, you're now racist if you're married with 2.4 kids'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seen some really nasty anti-muslim neocon bullshit coming out of fox of late'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hush, all neocons are saints'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'especially the warmongering bastards'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the drums are beating, and it looks like the troika are going to go steal the deposits of spanish bank customers, next'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coyotes are petrified of donkeys.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the AR-15 is the best selling gun in the country.....go get one!'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'isn't that the citizenized M16?'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, sure is'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, the one that the full metal jacket ablates 1 meter after it leaves the nozzle :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about 900,000 of them were sold in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So a guy was eating 3 bags of microwave popcorn every day for years and was breathing in the fumes from it all that time.....he got some kind of lung disease, and sued the food company that made his popcorn....he won $7 million'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the women that got shot by the LAPD only got 2.1 each, go figure :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not applicable here, though. First you have to make the sensible economic decision of preparing to terraform. After you have blown your wad at home, there will not be enough to support the move :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'desperation might be good incentive to go, but it will probably be why it will fail. '
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not in the space stations that they are building now which resemble military aircraft :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Who are you talking to!!'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'myself :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'who likes chocolate ice-cream'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'well they have stopped producing it worldwide'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'isnt anyone going to ask my source????'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'oh dear you guys are hopeless'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how precious are personal rights?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personal rights are a prequisite for a free society'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol HOLDER: Citizenship for illegals a 'civil right''
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet another administration wackjob'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you though Cheney and Rumsfeld were bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Holder seems to be one of the more dubious politicians'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'among the dubious, Janet 'Frank' Napolitano isn't much better'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Holder however is on record as wanting to wipe 80% of the planet's population off the map'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wonder wehre he'd start'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mass steralisation'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all in a book he co-authored called "Ecoscience"'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that eugenics, then... not genocide'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I thought that was the other fellow with a similar name'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, because clearly that's better'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'semantics'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'science advisor dude, Holdren or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yah, top science and technology advisor'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'whereas Holder mostly sticks to racism, gunrunning and a bit of lying and such'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not to get on a different rant... but when refering to Abortion... "... terminate the fetus" plays a hell of a lot better than "...kill the unborn child"'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'killing kids up to age 3 is goooood'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, they're not real people, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole politicisation of abortion if fucking ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... didn't want to get on that track... should have used a different illustration'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what kills me about Holder was during the "fast and furious" trouble, he just plain refused to do what he was told.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once they do something bad, they have to follow through with it and keep up th elie'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'what kills me is how many people seemed to be ok with that'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the problem with lying'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at all cost... and they seldom have consequence for that tactic'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a consequence, if they do get properly found out'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't tend to happen very often though'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allegidly, Eric Holder's wife Sharon co-owns an abortion clinic in Atlanta'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an abortionist at which was indicted in 2012 on charges of Medicaid fraud'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are SOOOO many abortions done in ALT'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ATL'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gotta kill all those ugly black babies, right?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so it would seem'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a clinic in five points that averages 27 a day'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'to quote Dr. Farnsworth, 'I don't want to live on this planet anymore'.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was trying to work out while swimming how much of my paycheck each month goes in tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, you're from the U.K., so I'm going to go out on a limb and say like 53% or something'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite that bad, since i'm not dossing on my parents' spare room floor'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and since a minor pay rise and a slight rise in the tax free allowance'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about 35% atm, but will be 45-50 once i buy my own place'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it's about 33% for my wife and I'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'professional gamblers don't pay tax in UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they probably should be'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'maybe, but they don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what tax dodge do they use?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'no, legally they don't have to pay, it's not considered a profession'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'americans pay tax on gambling winnings, brits don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's income they pay income tax, failing that they pay capital gains tax on it'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder how many people actually claim that'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'no tax due on gambling winnings whatsoever'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you pay tax on lottery wins'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'in UK you don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might be a difference between "should pay", and "prove it"'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'maybe lottery is an exception, but according to HMRC gambling winnings are exempt from tax'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'unless you run some type of organized scheme like a bookies'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, i'm wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I could even link you to the section on the HMRC webpage that it explains it'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lottery is not taxed'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gambling winnings are not taxed, but casinos and gambling machines are'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts bows before Greg Jennings (85).
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes winning are taxed'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'opposite of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the problem UK have is that if you were to charge tax on gambling winnings it'd only be fair to make losses tax deductible'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should be said that the answer given was "betting in the UK is no longer taxed" which would suggest that it once was'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'which I believe is what the U.S. does'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gambling winning are taxed as long and short term capital gains... gambling losses are deductions... so are trade commisions.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'in america yeah, in UK no'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh...we're NOT talking about the stock market?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'ironically while stock market is more volatile than a lot of gambling systems I think earnings from that are probably taxed'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'gambling taxes in the US allow you to deduct gambling losses to the extent that they offset gambling winnings, so you are only taxed on net winnings'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder if there's people out there that ever watch Piers Morgan and say to themselves, 'Hey, I like this guy!'.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody in england does, we all fucking hate him'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Is that why he stays here?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that and the police would arrest him if he returned'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, doesn't someone have to be liking him for them to keep putting him on the air?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, it is cnn'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'was that for the phone hacking thing , or whatever?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i find his faux moralising so hypocritical and vomit-inducing'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'You know, I love Jeremy Clarkson, if for no other reason than he punched Piers Morgan'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a national treasure'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the only real exposure I have to him is the Top Gear that they play here'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's all he's really done for the last 10 years'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all he was ever famous for, did a chat show for a couple of seasons and a couple of travel docs, but mostly top gear'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'California considering a bill that would allow non-US citizens to sit for jury duty.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh dear why?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my guess - and it's just a guess... as a prelude to voting for non-us citizens'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'FBI is really out there rolling up visa-violaters'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you're on a hunger strike, you're getting liquid nutirents so you don't go hungry, is it still a hunger strike?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'NO!'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just go on the ramen noodle diet.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'didn't think so... to me a hunger strike is like threatening suicide... doesn't have much teeth if you trade your big macs for an IV tube'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends, are they being forcibly given to you?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'from what I gather... the nnutient drinks (like Ensure®) are being offered (and accepted)'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I went on a hunger strike one time...  wasn't political or rebellious... but the "powers that were over me" got a little rattled and enticed me with a 20 oz tbone steak... to which I said "thankyou" and gobbled up!'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Hunger strikes are silly'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as a tool, yes... as a means of getting a free t-bone... no'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmm tbon'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I need to go check the freezer'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why would mark wahlberg want to get back together?  He makes more money doing movies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with who?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"woman uses ambulance to get a ride downtown."... called 911 over 100 times, and when arriving at the hospital, told the doctors she felt fine....'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'medicare covered the ambulance rides at $425 each time'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's some quick goat thinking right there'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at what point do you say "no... you are NOT getting an ambulance... I hope you get to feeling better"'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'drain on society beyond the pale.  I say just kill it now, save money'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'can you imagine the stink in the news the one time that they ignore her and she dies?'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it'd be a circus all right'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'd laugh so hard'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as medicare covers the cost, the ambulance will keep coming.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then the county will pay for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if medicare didnt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even if it didn't, the ambulance is (iirc) legally obligated to come when called.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are three stores in my town that have chosen not to accept EBT cards... business is booming, but theyr'e getting their arses sued all to hell'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stores are not required by law to accept EBT.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There needs to be limits on how often you can use medicare though.....medicare needs to send her the bill if she is going to abuse the service.'
T3/r7/2013-04-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the premiss of the suits is that the stores are covertly denying service to black people.  The reason the stores are doing so well now, is that there are no black people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are over 2 billion domestic pigs around the world......'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'How many canned pigs are there?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not enough bacon!'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you get rolled in the school hallway for your lunch money, what does the teacher who sees it do?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'They blast em' wit their 9s'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'good... when a cop sees someone getting mugged in the alley, what do they do?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'they eat doughnuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Kick some ass or if they are wielding a deadly force weapon.... blast em wit their 9s'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'As you can see, I am a high-class thug'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probably... right after they blast 'em with their 9's'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what do the 9's do after blasting 'em'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why then, does it come as any supprise to the world when the US intervines between oppressed people and international thugs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, the United States military blasts em with 5.56mm rounds.... doesn't sound as cool as 9.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'because it is intervenes i think'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we got 0s'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '9's'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'look at saddam hussein... who gives a rats arse if he had weapons of mass destruction... he was a thug that needed killing'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'an assualt rifle that uses 9mm bullets ouch'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'barretta M9, 9mm pistol'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'standard issue sidearm of the US military'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '9MT nuclear bombs ohhh yea'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'works real good when held sideways, and when you yell gack! gack! gack! while shooting it'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i am talking about assualt RIFLES'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I prefer the phrase "in jo ass popo!!" but that term is coming out of style'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... but when you "blast 'em with your 9", that's not an assault rifle'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'best I could do for your is an MP5... and their better with 40mm'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'err.r.... ,40, or 10mm'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i know but imagine a assaualt rifle or machine gun with 9mm bullets'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that's a sub-machine gun... not an assault rifle'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'or assaualt rifle with .50 bullets'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... I can imagine... I imagine that it would have very limited range, a high rate of malfunction, and very limited accuracy... not exactly assault rifle material'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I was about to say that Vonliege :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like the M4 with its almost zero recoil'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i can never have any fun here'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '.50 cal... lemme see... limited ammo supply, insane blow back, very loud... again... limited assault rifle material'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now... I don't wanna piss on your dreams or anything... folks said John Browning was insane for thinking the Browning HI-Power would be worth anything'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and IT spawned one of the finest pistols in history... the 1911 .45 colt'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You made Grissom Rage Quit!'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, those asian carps are delicious when you deep fry them with beer batter.....that is how you control them....get more people to eat them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, earth crust displacement would be bad.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'making mountains generally is'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and it's not too swell at the mid-oceanic ridges, either, but thankfully we covered them up with water so they can't get us.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I went to my brother-in-laws house to day and help him put a steel roof on his house...  im in a shit tine of pain now'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was a mich-chan, by the way'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Extrapolating from observations of the cooling of the Earths inner core, it is estimated that the current solid inner core formed approximately 2 to 4 billion years ago from what was originally an entirely molten core. If true, this would mean that the Earth's solid inner core is not a primordial feature that was present during the planet's formation, but a feature younger than the age of the Earth (about 4.5 billion years).'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the core is getting bigger, and cooling down.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is believed that the core also contains enough gold, platinum and other siderophile elements that if extracted and poured onto the Earth's surface it would cover the entire Earth with a coating 0.45 m (1.5 feet) deep.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, nonstick butter spray is good on popcorn.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'That sounds hideous.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont knock it til you try it....it is good.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'where do you think the butter flavoring for popcorn comes from ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for my popcorn, it comes from, oh I dunno, butter :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Abelinc, how is butter processed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not, it's churned'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but your butter has tons of calories'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I see...'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'By amish people? Oh god, I hope so.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'real butter is good for some things, not popcorn if you want less calories.'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing wrong with calories...it's a unit of energy'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Abelinc, what's string theory?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's made by polly-o'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I see...'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jell-o ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Abelinc, what are the recommended dimensions for a plywood shed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert pouts. 
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plywood has nothing to do with dimensions, and "recommended" would be "it depends on the application and property"'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I see...'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Abelinc, is it true that there's a snail up your nose that bites your finger off if you stick it up too far?'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not up MY nose, but I won't declare that there's not one up YOURS'
T3/r7/2013-04-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert sighs.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone pick a topic'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I like this parmesan cheese.  If only it had more preservatives so I could survive the upcoming nuclear holocaust.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm with you... anyone care to debate AGAINST preservatives?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Damn'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Man this parmesan cheese from the local farmer with red pepper is amazing'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Makes kraft taste like poopy'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you sure it's red pepper, and not red mary-jane?  farmer's market food is CRAP'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol well I pass my drug tests at work'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when the zombie appocolyps comes... my kraft ® will be right there next to my 12ga'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you'll be wishing the zombie farmer didn't know where you live'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol I would kill the farmer and harvest his soul'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Apple is the best company.  Debate!'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I prefer Oranges!'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when it comes to company, I prefer people to fruit'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Clearly you've never hung out with a kiwi.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not since the substituted the real cpus with intel ones.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have an ipad - 2nd and 4th gen touch before that... they always just.... worked'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I have an apple tv that just works'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't generally like closed architectures, but I went through several droids at work'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'My iphones have lasted through the entire contract plan (2yrs) just fine'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'closed is fine, as long as it covers all the bases, and works'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't use my phone for anything but gps/compass as backup for work and phone calls/random googles when bored'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"open" doesn't work because it violates too many business models, and is "open" to CRAP from everywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'give me "closed" that works 99% over "open" that works 50% anyday'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'case in point - "open office".  sure, I use it at home 'cause it's free, and meets my needs.  I used "Office" at work because it did MORE, was reliable, and had a support network behind it.  It was just more reliable, and I didn't have to fiddle with it.. fiddling kills time, and time is profit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I don't think most people know how valuable their time is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'jailbreak a company phone and your FIRED.  period.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wouldn't surprise me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'use a jailbroke personal phone for company work and your FIRED. Period'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, plenty of geek-friendly companies'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most companies are too lean to entertain "geek" notions of productivity'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom THWAPS Queen Bee Noegel for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like a slow news day'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than poor Jim Tucker buying the farm'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I love canned farms'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's a mighty big can!'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how do you get the farm into it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Well, Abelinc, it's a long-winded story involving a British Farmer and a Malaysian muskrat.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel falls asleep,
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is the malaysian muskrat really in singapore?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'An annual supply of Glivec (sold in the U.S. as Gleevec) wholesales for $76,740, about 3x what it cost only 10 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'holy shit what is glivec'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sounds like a yummy medicine'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a cancer drug.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I wonder how much it costs to manufacture'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom THWAPS Queen Bee Noegel for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'specifically for Philadelphia chromosome-positive chronic myeloid leukemia '
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have pharmacutical stocks'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a group of 120 researchers and doctors published a listing of how much certain drugs cost, showing how drug companies are profiteering on americans suffering.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am glad that drug companies profit... if they did not, they wouldn't bother making the drugs, and we'd just suffer anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I say bullshit to that, they make a profit in other countries that control the prices of those same drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but where are most of the worlds drug labs located?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Europe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'because Europe rules'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I do not have my own drug lab.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most drug research starts as govt funded research in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'johnson and johnson, pyzir, merck... all USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'Deutschland Uber Alles'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'abbot, eli lilly, bristol meyer... again... US'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'novartis is swiss'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'which is weird since i am half french(i hate that part of me)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'glaxosmithkline is UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sanofi is france'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'novartis makes Ritalin...'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'AstraZenica is UK'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bayer is Germany'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and all those companies make MONEY!'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'money makes things happen'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'period'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5 of the top 12 drug companies in the world are in Europe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I have my own pharmaceutical company called Donkies Unlimited.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all those companies take money, not make.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'two of the top two are in the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and rape the people of the US the most.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so boycot them... don't use their stuff'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, doesnt pfizer make viagra ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, viagra is probably most of their income :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well get a rocker for you hadar'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan... again'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pfizer is a repeat offender of selling drugs for non approved uses.....they have paid over $6 billion in fines since 2004.  :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as they keep the Lyrica and Lipetor coming'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'need to make generics more available.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can you imagine how many people would be dead today if it wern't for Lipitor?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh please, or perhaps we would have had a cure for high cholestrol instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instead of a treatment that lasts forever.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lyrica is bad'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"I'm sorry Papa died, Sally.  but you see... government regulation made Pyzir give all their profits to poor people, so they quit making the drug that was keeping him alive."'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we know why people get high cholestrol, but nothing is done to cure it, just 'treat' it with drugs that are more dangerous.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mayor bloomberg is doing something about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bloomburg is a fool, he needs to take biochemistry.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Government regulation could wipe away all the unheathy food'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he just wants votes, has nothing to do with actually helping people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd just LOVE to have a government inspector come and look in my fridge once or twice a week to make sure I wasn't eating any bacon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmm bacon'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Real men eat bacon.  Look at cowboys'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel drools all over herself -- making a TERRIBLE mess!
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in fact, I'd pay EXTRA taxes to fund such a program'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmm canned cowboys'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, original bacon and egg sandwich was invented by cowboys....a simple bisquit, a fried egg, and bacon.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'biscuit even'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'usually was just a biscuit and bacon though....eggs were hard to get unless you had chickens, or found some eggs on the trail.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but not all is bad...you can buy the same drug in Canada for less than $1200 per year, or Mexico...but you risk jail in the US....'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just move to Canada and stay there and buy the drug, would still be much cheaper than buying the damn drug in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Canada isn't near as gun friendly as the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And we've got the exponentially lower gun violence statistics to prove it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'canada just has less criminals, is all'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'less freedom = less crime'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pre-war nazi germany had almost zero crime'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and most of what they did have was only "criminal" because the nazis said it was'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you want the nazi's back?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's kinda the definition of "criminal" anyways...stuff the ruling body doesn't want you to do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the idiocy of modern society was summed up by a judge ruling in the UK when he said "Vigilanteism has no place in a modern society"'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just saying... nothing is simple.. if you WANT... you have to GIVE'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you want cheap drugs... give up some freedom... you want lower crime.. give up some personal rights'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about no to both'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't require less freedoms for either of those things'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, owning unnecessarily powerful guns is only freedom for those too scared to live free without them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'people are going to do stupid crap regardless what the laws are'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh.. .that's what I say... but I'm not bitching about crime OR the price of drugs'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then stop telling people to give upt heir freedoms, you know tehy're stupid and will listen'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just making a point'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you wish your girlfriend was hot like Rachel Fatcow?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rachel madcow is HOT'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she perfects the art of being lesbian because no man could stand her'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'moving swiftly on...'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should ban milk, it is a gateway to drinking beer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... I see the point you are making, and can feel your sarcasim... what's the real issue?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont need a point on my channel....:)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or a real issue that is. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real issue is neocons and neoliberals'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that it is so hard to find a good cup of coffee unless you make it yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is obama describing the sequester as 'reckless cuts'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why is he threatening pain if his budget isn't passed?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, log on any ammo website, and 95% of the choices are backordered with no estimate on delivery.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught smirks.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'according to Tigernuts, there ain't no ammo shortage, no way no how, so go talk to him'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is he buying it all ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'likely has enough rounds for the zombie apocalypse and UN World Takeover put together as is..'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I already have plenty of ammo, just wanted to switch out some stock so I can go shooting some.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have a better chance of ordering ammo from Canada then you do in the US right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or Switzerland.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to save rhinos, just add poison'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'has anyone gone Apple picking?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, someone thinks ATM machines will one day provide inspiration for the next three Matrix movies.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the next three Matrix movies are already upon us... in the desert of the real'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for teens, sex media is only slightly related to real-life behavior.  In other words, our kids are becoming oversexed from other sources way more than from the shows and advertisements bombarding them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'world-wide average age of a woman's first pregnancy has increased'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how can the male teen be oversexed when he will peak at age 18. It's more like instinctive desperation before doomsday :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, new research has found that men peak at 30ish like women.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'although not by as great a margin in the U.S. than other developed countries, which may or may not support 'oversexed' hypothesis, although if one looks at standard sexual 'norms' across developed nations, I don't think it can be concluded lower U.S. first birthing age is related to our outlandishly sexual natures'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'women peak at 40+, nearer 45.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I still call myth on that'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no offense Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seeing as how eggs start going bad at 40+, it wouldn't make much sense, although married men might appreciate believing it'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '40 is when menopause can start kicking in.  Barring freak medical conditions or government conspiracy, you just don't get to menopause without first going downhill a ways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you think that the human body has changed its processes in a mere 5 or 6 hundred years? For most humanity's timespan, most people were dead by age 30.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'true... and paradoxically women are hitting puberty at earlier ages toda than when they died at 30'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is related to technology rather than evolution'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'unless you view the two as largely the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's drug induced. The drugs in the animal feed :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no it's nutritional'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and possibly due to extended light-exposure'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'an actual connection to HBV or other such drugs is so far as solid as connecting vaccines to autism'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'although I'll admit it's more possible than the vaccine/autism crap and more study is needed'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's environmental--drugs, food, various life stress in general, and the sex ratio of your immediate intimate community (family, bffs, mentors, etc)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, companies that make food from grains are more or less routinely sued for putting growth hormones in animal feed. Purina, before its demise, had a budget for this :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah and vaccine makers have been sued for causing autism'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'plumb chicken means earlier menses :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and moron parents have started whooping cough and measles epidemics by refusing to vaccinate their kids because Jenny McCarthy went on Larry King'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just like how multiple women will sync their cycles when they live together, a female in a personal world that is predominately male will end up hitting puberty faster than a female in a predominately-female world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what's the average age of puberty in China?'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ditto for the guys.  Growing up with a bunch of girls will put hair on your chest and make your dick bigger faster than growing up with a bunch of dudes.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'single sex boarding schools for delayed puberty!'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you got it backward, Hanslanda. It is not a man's world, it's a woman's. Biologically speaking anyway. I am willing to bet that the male apparent dominance stems from some revolt long time ago, not from some physical imperative.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90782/90880/6956684.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'just remember that partehogenesis is theoretically possible, and the product would be female :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'true... and the earliest recorded pregnancy was 4.5 yrs'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'more things in heaven and earth'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'research already beat you to the truth, Ana.  Pheromonic response can trigger puberty.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and TV'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'everything apparently'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what you are saying is that when the population died at around 30, it was TV and pheromones that stoked their engines.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'TV and media, according to dutch researchers, was found to only contribute 0.3 to 4 percent.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you think that sexuality is clockwork driven, Hanslanda. Humans, if not animals in general, are born sexually active.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm saying TV may contribute to earlier puberty rates, but only because of increased light, not programming'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all the tv and the rest do, is make it more obvious that chlidren are sexually aware.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'humans are not born sexually active, dude.'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people don't wake up one day a say "By George, I will get laid today. Never thought about it before, but it seems it's time".'
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-04-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://www.greenhealthwatch.com/newsstories/newschildren/puberty-at-ten.html'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this channel is under-utilized.  I'm going to see if the Imms will rename it the LGBT Channel.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because those of us who have things to say agree with each other, and everyone else is retarded'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'funny... that's the same results I get around town... it makes me wonder who voted for the opposing side of all these issues'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'idiots'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats, mainly'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do a majority of Americans reaady NOT want to give up their gun rights?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'reaady = really'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Riz and I can disagree on quite a bit of stuff, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bathtubs are just reverse boats'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it usually ends with him telling me to have a bake sale.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riz is alright, has some strange ideas'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is a shame that timothy dalton only did 2 bond films, he was a good james bond.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'saw'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'margory'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'daw'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'take it to music channel'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the mere fact that our nation's (US) lawmakers would even CONSIDER exempting themselves from ObamaCare makes me sick.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obamacare is already full of exemptions for tons of groups.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who are a few?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a few what?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'xempt groups'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I believe public-sector unions were in the mix as well as first-responders (but then again, they practically can't get insurance anyways because of their jobs).  I'll have to see if I can dig up specifics, but it was widely talked-about in the leadup to the Obamacare vote (when people were also widely calling foul on lawmakers trying to vote on stuff they didn't read).'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll lose my military health insurance'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my premiums will go from $570 a year (really really really cheap) to almost $5,500'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cackle'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm glad you find it ammusing, tigerballs'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't take any personal pleasure from people being screwed over by this..... but you guys voted him in'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not like the entire rest of the world warned you'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yeah, tigerballs'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'honestly... ignorant black people voted him in.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mean, our public health service consumes a third of our entire tax take, and is still shit, really, what did you guys expect?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on the bright side, Obamacare prevents them from taking our guns away...'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'black voters turned out 200-300% more for these past two elections than any other time in history'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just goes to prove they shoulda never been given the ability to vote'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get used to it, if they pass this immigration law, you'll never have anyone else ever again other than democrat in'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can't go that far... I'm a biggot, but not a racist'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hey if you gonna abuse your rights, you deserve to lose em'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'explain, Onslaught... not sure to agree, or be mad about your last comment'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people who utilize X Right in an intentionally ignorant or otherwise socially counter-productive way should not be allowed to retain X Right'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i think he refered to the 'freedom of speech' right'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'any right.. 'X' is a stand-in'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok... I can get behind that... to a point.  I would differenciate between abuse and mis-use.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so if you're shouting "fire" in theatres, shooting random people, etc, you deserve to lose those rights'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is kind of what we do... putting people in jail'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... abuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but THINKING there is a fire, and shouting FIRE would be misuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'So if masses of idiots are voting horrific Presidents into office based on nothing so much as his skin color, they shouldn't be allowed to abuse their right to vote any longer'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think chucking someone in jail for shooting an innocent deliberately is a jolly good. Shouting fire probably should incur a fine, a public outting in the stocks, and several years community service'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'shooting someone because you THOUGHT they were attacking, but they were really just putting mail in your box is mis-use'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I did say "random people" concerning shooting'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which I would think doesn't include self-defense'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'most of the time'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'conceeded'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the difference between willful, deliberate action.... as opposed to ignorant, misunderstanding, or misplaced conception'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't see how voting in a guy simply because of race can't be considered willful and deliberate'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poor folks really think Obama wants to help them, when he really only wants to lord over them (Uncle Sam's Plantation)'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm sure some do, but I thought the contention was that "ignorant black people" got him elected... twice?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'voting for him for his skin might be stupid, but it's not abuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Yes it is. Voting for his policies is stupid'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '" really think..." with perhaps a bit of "I'm going to show those Crackers" thown in.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well there you go'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that would also be abuse'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stupid yes, abusive no'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .I have to fall on the "stupid" side of this issue... most blacks voted for him out of ignorance - not willful desire to destroy the USA'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just blacks, there are plenty of stupid white people to, including affluent white people and celebrities, who wilfully voted for him'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you guys have your definitions mixed up. it isn't "stupid" to vote for someone because of their race. It is, in fact, entirely logical to do so considering humanity's history of homogeny bias in social groups'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'do you vote republican then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is that a fancy term for biggot? =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes I do'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and tbh, the offering from the other side wasn't exactly great'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I also vote democrat'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'lest you decide to pigeonhole me'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a Jesus-loving Conservative'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the republicans ditched their neocons and lunatics and picked a candidate that got back to basics of small government, bill of rights and constitution, ditched the foreign empirism, there'd be a landslide'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well Jesus is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not to me and my vote'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'good for you'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'legalise pot, they' steal the hippy vote from the democrats too'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'your vote is stupid - but not abusive'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I vote both.  I figure it's allowed if I keep telling them there's a mistake and they instead keep sending me voter cards to two places.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look on the brightside, you're not Greece (yet)'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give it a few months'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'lmbimp.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ssp'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what do you guys think went behind the scenes at 3 april?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '3 april?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of chuckling over epic April Fool's Day pranks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'supposed start of the third world war'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught peers intently at MagusTiberia.
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supposed by who?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you're, like, cut off'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'n korea wanted to launch a nuclear missile in remembrance of an old president'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'North Korea attacked SK and Japan, wiped them out entirely with the help of China and Russia'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Iran has officially taken over the ME and is assisting them in the fight against Europe'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'N korea does not have a nuclear missile'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's just NK being NK.  They are like annoying trolls here on Aard--all talk and no action.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): MagusTiberia chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually they DO have a missile capable of launching a nuclear warhead'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which would technically make it a "nuclear missile"'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the efficacy is highly in question, however'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have a shit missile 'theoretically capable' of mounting a nuclear warhead, but incapable of striking anywhere with any kind of reliability, they also do not have a nuclear warhead'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ehhh.. so they keep doing what? Setting off earthquakes to fake tests?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not miniaturised, best they could do is a hiroshima style dirty bomb'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'intel suggests they have the technology to miniaturize.. whether it's been DONE is irrelevant to whether the capability is there'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have nuclear warheads, they're just too big to put on missiles.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'real problem is even if they can and do shrink it and can and do get it on a missile that can reach the U.S., they won't have a thousand of them to launch at once like the Soviets did'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole country is starving to death, to overegg what they can do is absurd'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so if there's anything 'missile shield' technology will work against, it's NK'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you ever been to NK Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not personally, but have seen the documentaries'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh, you mean the propaganda?'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah I seen those too'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I also seen aliens attack Earth and The Avengers really kicked ass (SPOLER ALERT)'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't make it real'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody is ever going to actually use nukes to such a degree that a missile shield wouldn't be overly-effective or that a critical miss would significantly devastate the target country.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wish I was as confident of that as you are'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'best I can do is agree it's possible no one WILL use that many nukes until shield technology is sufficiently advanced to protect us anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The thing that the intelligence community are most worried about with N Korea is a crash landing of the regime - it would bankrupt S Korea'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's exactly the same sort of trick parents pull when they count to three versus a problem child.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are -not- worried about a military assault because it would be shortlived and futile on the NK part'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not to mention millions of refugees pouring into China, whose people are all starving too'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at (Overlord) Onslaught.
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you know that the saber-rattling was all China's idea, right?  It gives them a patsy to blame if they miscalculated badly, but it also gives them an outlet for their anti-west sentiments without appearing to be anti-west directly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just watched "America's Gun - The rise of the AR15" on CNBC'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the saga of 5.56mm tumbling bullet :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'musta missed that part'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the AR15 is the citizenized version of the M16, which, being a combat weapon, is supposed to fire full metal jacket bullets. The problem with it is that the jacket is so thin that it ablates and collapses when entering the body causing the bullet to tumble and, in effect, negate the point of the jacket. It pays lip service to the Geneva Convension, barely.'
T3/r7/2013-04-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so long as it meets the letter... I wonder what the geneva convention say about IEDs?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'should the Government have control over what you create on your personal 3D printer?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'if its not commercialized, advertised or used in a way that would stir emotional reaction from the public, then i suppose not'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about an automatic rifle?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'if you print something just for home use / viewing, i don't see why there should be a problem. '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'where would you get the blue prints?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you understand that 3D printers can create FUNCTIONAL items, correct?  like controled components that can actually be used to make a functioning fully automatic assault rifle?  The files are available open source online.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'most every metal smith can make a shotgun in their backyard.. The gun itself is axiomatic by law. But when he wants to, say, buy gun powder for ammo, then the line should be drawn.. You can create a rifle on a 3d bench but, you can't create gunpowder that way. If that makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the gunpowder, primers and casings (and complete rounds, for that matter) are readily available in stores everywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'yeah, i caught that in your prev explaination'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but your plastic rifle is going to suck'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'thats where US and SA law differs'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not exaclty... there's a fellow that has created the lower reciever and it works quite well'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND, the now-controled high cap magazines.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'say we, hypothetically speaking, live in the new age of stable, reliable fusion energy. What then?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'energy becomes cheap and virtually unlimited?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'time to try communism again'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'humans will always have a need to improve, compete, and advance - communisism still won't work.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you can still have that and with unlimited free energy the social order would change anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'we could have the metaphorical priest-king autocracy that limits us from making our own tech too advanced, with help of the big brother and all that. But that would create one political polarity suppressing the other. Look at gay rights too. It was frowned up back in the medieval ages, but later, just gradually accepted. Same with these 3d bench guns. Your government could go so far as to limit these printers but unfortunately, since the dawn of the internet, everything's changed. We all know the inevitable end'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'we could have the metaphorical priest-king autocracy that limits us from making our own tech too advanced, with help of the big brother and all that. But that would create one political polarity suppressing the other. Look at gay rights too. It was frowned up back in the medieval ages, but later, just gradually accepted. Same with these 3d bench guns. Your government could go so far as to limit these printers but unfortunately, since the dawn of the internet, everything's changed. We all know the inevitable end'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'we could have the metaphorical priest-king autocracy that limits us from making our own tech too advanced, with help of the big brother and all that. But that would create one political polarity suppressing the other. Look at gay rights too. It was frowned up back in the medieval ages, but later, just gradually accepted. Same with these 3d bench guns. Your government could go so far as to limit these printers but unfortunately, since the dawn of the internet, everything's changed. We all know the inevitable end'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'something like that. Energy would be practically unlimited.. Where scientists were restricted before, they could now, with loopholes in the law etc, build like, sustaining anti gravity fields. It may seem fancy at first, until its used as a weapon. What would the government do then? '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would propose that its "need" as a weapon would preceed it's existence as a work-saver.. e.i.  The nukclear bomb came before the nukclear power plant'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'war drives invention'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'one polarity will push, the other will suppress. At the end of the day, you can cork the holes in a barrel forever'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll assume "can't"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'why would you say the era of trolls came to be?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why or when?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'why'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I rest my case'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mis chan'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nine states have welfare wage/hour equivilent that is higher than the national average wages of a teacher.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, and Canada is full of people who think our teachers should be paid the same as the U.S teachers, because they think that'll save them enough money to warrant a decline in education standards.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, apparently the govt is sending out memos to law enforcement agencies to curtail use of their guns to save ammo.   They are recommended to run, hide, and throw objects they can find around them instead.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if you had to design a game. would you start from the story or the details of gameplay?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gameplay.. you can drape any 'ol crappy story you want on the game if the mechanics are good'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you want a story... read a book'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or watch TV'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or watch a movie'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or read the toilet stalls in the subway'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'conversely, doing a good story can inspire ideas for mechanics'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the heart of a game is GAMEPLAY'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'in the american sense, yes'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then do the story in your head and apply the mechanics you come up with to gameplay.... don't waste my time with a sappy story when I want to PLAY... and any game I play had BETTER have skipable cut scenes... nothing I hate more than being forced to watch some sappy cutscene... That's when I go for more beer.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know if the Japs spend more on games or not,... but I doubt it'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'look at MMORPG's and any form of online competition.. People are so focused about the game play itself. Let me make an example (and please, i'm accusing no one, nor intentionally generalizing) .. You get two diff aardwolf players.. One that rushes through the game, focuses on stats, builds, borderline botting, being objective minded. He's trying to build a superior char, using efficient farming, maximizing every second he has... Then you get the other player who reads descriptions, imagining it in his head. The only exciting thing about leveling up for him, is the new spells and skills he has access to. He's more artistic minded about the game'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... different players... and plenty of grey in between'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt, there's a few story-minded players out there, but they all write for industry magazines, and are the only reason that story-driven games get flowery reviews... "OMG!  the story was SOOO wonderfull....5 Stars!"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'my point is, if you play the game objectively, why not just do a crossword puzzle. Approaching things intelligently is fun up to a point, before it becomes a drag. No, i think being more appreciative about the finer, minute details of the game makes it fun. '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not I... I designate an objective, establish a method, and EXECUTE!'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, to be fair, I respect your play style... I just don't understand it, nor do I wish too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the writing in this game, for example, just isn't that good.  I read books... A LOT of books... and there are better authors out there...  in fact, they're all better 'n this tripe.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if I am going to spend my time on a story... I do all the stuff I ranted about earlier.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'caveat!'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'you would build up your character according to stats, abilities, class and racial benefits, maximizing its usefulness, while i would build my character based on aesthetics and cosmetics. If a character looks good to me, and has a gripping backdrop, I'll use that char, weak as it is, and enjoy my campaign.. Its a left vs right brain situation'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I do look at the words... for only one reason - to pussle out the mind of the zone author....'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for example.. it isn't hard to determine a zone authors point of view when all the catholic figures, from priests to worshipers, in his zone are evil aligned, while the tree worshipers are good aligned'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or where any adult figure is evil, and child figures are good'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or where steve and bruce has a lovely house together'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'explain 'zone author' to me. The concept is alien to me'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'type, for example, "help atlantis"... you will note the Area Author is Domain.  or, you can type "areas", and you will see the zones builders... builder/author are the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some are generic... where the author/builder is unknown, or lost to history, or the zone is stock/generic, you will usually see lasher as the author... or aardwolf.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm out'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'I'll get back to you tomorrow'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nice discussion'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'take care'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, indian point nuclear power plant is one of the oldest plants in the US, and sits near 2 major earthquake fault lines that were not known 40 years ago.  It is falling apart, but the NRC renewed its license for another 20 years without requiring new investment to make it safer up to 7 point quakes.  I can probably survive a 3 pt quake right now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is also about 15 miles from NYC....bye bye NYC'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it can survive that is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'congress has cut the budget of the NRC by 18% in the last decade.....The NRC oversees the commercial nuclear power plants in the US....'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can thank the republicans for most of those cuts, including hundreds of personnel from the inspection division of the NRC.  Republicans were angered when the NRC was becoming tough on commercial nuclear power plants in their states.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as opposed to green liberals who what an end to nuclear power entirely - and coal - and oil... they'de have us paying $5,000 a month to heat a trailer house!'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because the environment is "priceless"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'meh, we'll just get another one'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"let not one single wood pecker be harmed while harvesting that forest" - a perfectly renewable resource, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It wouldnt cost much to upgrade the nuclear power plants, maintenance they SHOULD be doing in the first place, but are not until they HAVE too.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have a car that's that way'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better yet, shut them all down and replace them with the new gen5 nuclear power plants.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'wonder what the excuse will be when the earthquake strikes'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, my car not working won't result in disaster'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Brookhaven nuclear lab released over 12 million gallons of tritium water over a 15 year period.....and that one was govt owned. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'http://what-if.xkcd.com/29/'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'say, Riz... wern't you rejoicing over the dismantling of the nations air infrasctructure the other day?  while not quite at the same potential disaster as a nukclear meltdown... the effect will be the same on a smaller scale.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course not, I just want the asses who use it to pay more for it :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'reduced maintenance - fewer inspections - fewer "safe" alternate landing areas.... etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just like the national parks, the people who use it should be paying more for it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. I was thinking about your sentiment the other day, and it occured to me... where do you think those "asses" will go once their airfileds are shut down?  they'll start clogging the main terminals!  that's where.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when you buy ammo or guns, you pay a 10% tax or so that funds the national and state parks.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or fishing gear, crossbows, arrows, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't hunt in parks....'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let the city slickers who don't have their own parks pay the taxes on them'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I OWN my park and hunting grounds'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'last year a record amount of tax income tax made because of the run on guns and ammo....gotta love the sheep.....something like $600 million was raised.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'taxes on hunting/fishing eq that is.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it goes deeper than that... the only part of a bullet that I can't make or recycle is the primer... have you tried to buy rifle and pistol primers lately?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seniors age 62 or older can buy a lifetime pass to the parks for $10.....while I have to pay $100 per year. for state and federal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got them for free when I was active duty'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most seniors who go to the parks go in huge expensive Rvs....make em pay more for the damn pass.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they've been paying for them their entire lives... let them enjoy them now'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bullshit, I am paying for their entire lives, they can afford to pay a regular price for the pass.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and MOST get to the parks on economy senior tour bus trips.. packed in like sardines because that's all they can afford'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THEY paid for the seniors before them.. .that's what's BROKEN about SS... but it's what we have... why should the CURRENT seniors get left holding the bag?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the greatest generation is pretty much gone.....the baby boomers lived off the largesse of the greatest generation.....and caused a lot of the problems today....let them pay $10 per freaking year then. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is going to cost about $1 billion to tear down three mile island based on todays money.  It produced power for 90 days only....and it cost almost $1 billion to decontaminate back in 1980.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so?  did they KNOW that when they built it?  I would propse that all they knew was the bleating american public screaming for cheap power'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '20/20 hidsight, and all that'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It would be nice if we had a nuclear power regulatory system that was as good as France has.....then perhaps our plants wouldnt be in such bad shape.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think you will find a single soul that will debate that GOV = Waste.. at least not here'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all we have to do is pay 63% tax... and it too could be ours'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Can see it dripping down your pants. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that france doesn't pay through the ass for taxes, or that we could increase government spending without increasing our own taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's your solution?  how are you going to pay for this regulatory commision?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'By removing the gloves on the NRC.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can remove their gloves... but they aren't going to be worth wpit if you don't resource the,'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '...them'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'give it back its normal budget, and allow its inspection division to do its job, and fine the bastards for releasing radioactive tritium water into the water sources.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what are you going to cut to "restore" their budget?  It's not like that money didn't get sent somewhere else.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, it was sent to build one of those new $2 billion nuclear subs that we dont need....cut that.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or one of those new $1 billion bombers, or a $12 billion air craft carrier...lets name the next one after Greenspan....'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how much?  just enough so that we can beat the chinese in 10-15 years?  '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or should we just start teaching mandrin to our children now?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh please, we spend 20x more on military than the chinese do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they have 20x more troops for cannon fodder'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and 20 times that standing by'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess you never saw the film Red Dawn......1 billion screaming chinese became 600 million after the country was nuked by the USSR.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 billion chinese does not scare me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so we just nuke them... not much up on your foriegn policy, huh?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you are the one who talked about the chinese invading us....:p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am not worried about the chinese, why are you ?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see.. it won't happen as long as we have enough nuclear subs trolling the pacific'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont need $2 billion ones every couple years, we already have plenty to flatten any country in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stretch it out to 4 years.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technology moves on.. we have to stay up to date and ahead'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Sun Tzu say, "man who bites hand that feeds him goes hungry"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just like air craft carriers, we build a new one every 8 years now....we USED to build one every 3 years....but as the price goes up, we take longer to build them.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will happen to all military weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sun yzu say "man who prepares for todays war loses"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you have to prepare for the next war, not the last one'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our military is prepared for 2 major wars that we will most likely create ourselves....ie iraq, or iran :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'This will be the Chinese century. get prepared for it :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will also be the century of chinese pollution that envelops the country and kills hundreds of millions. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you could say we started WWII by not liking Japans balls in the 30's when they wanted us to.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is their plan for true populaton control.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'licking... not liking'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, the brits and french started WWII :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and nazi aggression had nothing to so with it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they didn't.  It was a crazy ethnic balkan hating on another crazy ethnic balkan.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '6 million dead jews didn't happen either, I suppose?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nazi aggression didnt come about until AFTER the concessions the germans were forced to pay because of WWI'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eh aren't you thinking about ww i?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, snap.  I think so...'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they lost.  what do you expect'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which brought about the nazi rise'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which brought about WWII'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thank god we didnt make the same mistake after WWII'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we learned it was better to freak out our allies instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'instead of forcing japan to fix themselves....we helped them to rebuild, germany also.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and europe in general.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder if our response would've been different if the commies hadn't successfully taken over half the Allied forces?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'you can put all the bad things in the world back to mongol invasions. they used catapults with plagued corpses of their soldiers in crimea and the genoese sailors brought it to central europe. that was a strange illness. a hundred million people died because of the plague, worlwide and jews were the ones who got the most hatred from europeans... see: spain, germany...  '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a bit late to blame ole genghis now'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly can't blame him for the current state of affairs - for that you have to look closer to home to the people who funded/control western governments'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'particularly USA and NATO more widely'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and you can always blame obama for everything'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Sure, it's worked so well for him against Bush.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'turnabout's fair play, and a bag of chips.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably best to blame the organ grinder, not the monkey'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are mainstream media decrying that the gun control bill that failed had "strong public backing" when it didn't?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit of a rhetorical question really since we all know what the answer is'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a spin tactic based on obscure poll results'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it had strong public backing... from a very small percent of the public... strong... but small'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, kinda irrelevent, 2nd ammendment trumps'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'replealing the second amendment has "strong" public backing'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'very strong... but also very small'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it does, but the repeal wouldn't apply to members of congress and their army of aides.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of like an ant is strong... but small'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's not good enough, need 66% in both houses and every state'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'every state, too?  unanimous?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is what is required for a constitutional ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goes along with the need for the constitution to be fixed and not changed on a partisan whim'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'didn't kno that... where those conditions met for the eighteenth?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must have been'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they were met for all known amendments.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... both conneticut and whode island rejected it'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if that's the case, then the law has been broken'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless i misunderstand the procedure, i'm not american after all'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or, as is often the case, lawyers of the time made shit up as they went along, even if they knew it was wrong'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege puts his finger on his nose and points at tigerballs
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a mischaracterization, Vonliege.  They both ORIGINALLY cast a no vote, but at least one of them then reversed course.  When the ratification period expired, there were enough yes votes to cement it into the Constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: '3/4 of the states need to retify to enact an amendment.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wherebouts is that stated, for the record?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Article 5 of the US Constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cool beans'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it doesn't have to be unanimous, but it does need to have very widespread support'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're not an American citizen, Tiger, you should already know this stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is scarey is i know a shit ton more about it than most americans'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I would feel confidant in expressing doubts about your claim to be the bitish/non-american normal, though.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what that means'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean i'm not a normal Brit?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just because you might know more about it than us doesn't mean britons in general do.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'means you are as american as paul bunyan, but pretend not to be =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two things stand me apart from most brits: 1. I have a pulse, 2. I'm capable of rational independant thought'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet blood sausage and haggis disgusts neither of you.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'i'd eat them'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither disgusts me, but neither do I desire to eat them'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are the west even -contemplating- intervening in Syria?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've already stuck their oar in where it's not wanted sufficiently'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's because when we decide to do nothing everyone bitches about how America isn't living up to their duties and obligations as a policing superpower.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell them to fuck off and mind their own busines'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part of being a superpower is not being so easily manipulated by such comments'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure, if you're gonna include the unspoken acts like trade tariffs and stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a great service could be performed by getting rid of Lindsay Graham from the house'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'whats the agro situation there?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Pretty good.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty good what'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Aggro situation in oz'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Leave me alone! *weep*'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll give you one for free'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again... mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and no, noegle... I wasn't talking to your boyfriend about blowjobs! =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'git yer mind outa the gutter'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can you imagin giving a kid a BB gun at a carnival today?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'end again... I mischan... again'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'my house or your house? :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like gold is recovering well after the manufactured dip a few weeks ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... and the planet is also cooling nicely'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '"manufactured?" he asks, as if that weren't the point'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many physical sellers are reporting shortages, large premiums are being charged as the spot price is being pegged artificially low by position traders'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like free-market to me.. nothing artificial about it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'true free market would not allow the trading in positions'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'get whatever someone will pay for it... "artificial" would be for the exchange to report a price that wasn't being paid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meanwhile when everything goes to shit, gold hoarders have fun with their shiny while I stick with my Spam Mountain(TM)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's what it is, vonliege, the quoted price isn't the actual price'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and .22 shells... don't forget the .22 shells'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's manipulation of the 'stock' price'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e the quoted price is not the real price'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'manipulation, perhaps.. but that's part of the game'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be like fixing the price of gas artificially low, then having everywhere run out'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if someone with a strong position can manipulate the price in a particular direction, that's capitalism at work... nothing artificial about it'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people will actually be paying a far higher price because of scarcity, but the governing body will still be claiming the price is low'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capitalism != free market'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it does as far as I'm concerned... you say twinkie, and I say yellow sponge snack cake.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capitalism = too big to fail, free market = let teh fuckers go bankrupt'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't recall ever seeing that definition in an economics class'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither would you unless you took one after 2008'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, I've never taken an economics class.... still sounds like you're making crap up, though =)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'class = academia = liberal bias'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? you think bailing the banks out was a good idea, and how free markets were supposed to work?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... but we wern't talking about banks'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was, maybe you were not'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'banks should have fallen on their arses, and jumped-up po folks should have been tossed outa their mcmansions in the street'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the people responsible for libor thrown in jail'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that wasn't about "free-market"... THAT was artificial... THAT was government stepping in to make sure folks voted for them in the fall.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if you're going back to the gold incident, then we're essentially arguing the difference between "artificial", "manipulated", and "distorted" within the context of what happened'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Save the Banks!'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'THAT was government making sure that the evil capitalist PAID... and paid - and paid - and paid - and paid - and paid - and paid - and paid - and paid.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whut?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when banks were made to give the houses back to the po folks at a huge lose... they PAID.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the who folks?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poor = po'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who made them do that?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at least in LA'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the deadbeats who couldnt afford to buy them in the first place but did anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not los angeles'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya!... those folks, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't recall seeing that story, and doubt it compensates the rest of the public for the billions that were stolen off the public to pay for the bailout'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly never happened here'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the rich footed the lions share of that "economic down turn"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people should buy an RV and live in it fulltime.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rich did no such thing'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what did they do?  squeeze it out of poor peoples asses?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poor people don't pay taxes'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'combination of squeezing it out of poor people's asses and adding it to the public debt, and yes they do pay taxes'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'they squeezed it out of the poor peoples' politicians'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'except the poor don't have politicians'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe they do in UK.. but not in the US... poor peopel get money BACK from taxes... money they didn't pay in.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, over $2 trillion in wealth disappeared during the recession of 2008-2010, but the rich got their money back when the stock market bounced back.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least the ones who kept their stock holdings did, the idiots who sold lost it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the earned income tax credit....if you make a certain amount of money or less....you get your taxes back x2'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here you don't'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA appears to be a regime where nobody pays tax, not surprising you're broke'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are not broke, we just prefer to borrow it from saps in other countries.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The rich get richer because they borrow money instead of spending their wealth, so that it can be used to make more money instead.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money begats money'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing against people making money, only people fiddling the system'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have someone earning $250k paying only 18% tax, while someone earning $40k paying 40%, you've probably got something wrong with your tax system'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someone making 40k is not paying 40%'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more like %12'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i'm paying 35%, if i moved out, i'd be paying 45%'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the "hump" still exists in america, though it might be slightly lower'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I paid about 28% last year.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and no state income tax here.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya know... I am just sick about everyone bitching about the rich.  I have a VERY comfortable quality of life.  I have cars that work - a house that doesn't leak - food on my table that doesn't suck.  And it's because I am part of an economic system where at some point, someone with money did something right.  So what if they got richer doing it?  Where did this idea that "having a pulse entitles you to jack-shit" come from?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people bitching about the rich doesnt bother me.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the middle are always going to bitch at the rich and the poor because they see the rich not pulling their share, feeding off everyone, and trying to tug up the ladder after them'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they see the poor dragging them down and taking what they have'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the rich pay more taxes in actual dollars compared to the middle class or the poor.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if they have money.. they GET to manipulate the system... that's the point of having the money in the first place.  they EARNED it, or were born into it, or stole it.. either way, they're winners.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's predictable, and -somewhat- justified, just not in all cases'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your definition of 'winner' is fux0red'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a winner on account of I have food that doesn't suck.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when did America become about winning at all costs, irrespective of cheating or hurting others?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: '1972'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahhh... around the industrial revolution?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'america has always been about winning.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it began in the revolutionary war....we HAD to win'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spot the neocons ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rockefeller, carnige, bunch of others... great american instrialist...they made what we have in america today.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'George Washington.....end of story.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also made the monopolies that guaranteed their domination, and are responsible for all the millions of corpses and continued war to boot'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'America was always about winning... it wasn't until recently that it became about propping up the losers'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're going to call them winners, you might as well call Hitler a winner'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ol george lost almost every battle, but he didnt quit.....and he won the ones that counted.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or Mao Zedong'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call then successful at what they set out to achieve, but don't call them winners'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hitler ended up in a charred hole in the ground... or argentina.. either way - he lost.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone ends up in a hole in the ground or charred'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'semantics... ok... their are successful... so stop hating on successful people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, Britain had its share of whacko rulers. :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In a hole in the ground..'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can be critical of people without hating them'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, it's as much the fault of the system as it is of theirs'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this channel mirrors the media and the unwashed masses... critisism gave way to flat out belly-aching along time ago'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that argument fell apart the second the banker bailout occured'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better then going belly up and causing even more problems.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't you get it?  the banks ARE government.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't make it any better, vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i don't agree, riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, the banks paid back the money from the profits it made off your butts. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have a free market and then prevent failing businesses from failing, that's privatising the profit, socialising the risk'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and we agreed that that was jacked up'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And you cant have $1.2 trillion banks going out of business like you can a $5 billion bank.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but it's reality, and I moved on.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure you can'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tell that to the people who would have lost all their deposits above $250k, cause that is all they would get back from the govt.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the situation, but yes, they probably would'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a 250k deposit guarantee, 99.9% of people would have been unaffected by that particular loss'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most rich people spread out their deposits also.....about $200k per bank.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you've just shot down your own argument. People would be affected by the detonation of stock price, so there'd be a correction in the value of pension plans, portfolios etc'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, you still cant let a $1.2 trillion bank go out of business.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously doubt that damage would have been any worse than the shock bailing out the banks caused to the economy'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you MUST'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you just fired 80,000 people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessarily'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like any business being wound up, any assets and business parts that could be sold off, would do so'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'd be job losses, but then there were anyway'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which takes years to settle the dust.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the meantime you have the 80,000 people who lost their direct jobs, plus all the jobs lost by businesses connected to the bank'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it takes years to settle post-bailout, our bailed out banks are still restructuring and are still majority owned by the state 5 years on'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because of lost business.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it spreads like a wildfire....it HAD to be stopped at the source....hence the bailout.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's different to 80,000 lost jobs across the economy as a whole caused by the bailout how?'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the bailout didnt cause any jobs being lost.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prove it :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at the jobs figures 2008-2013, look at jobs losses in bailed out banks'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that wasnt caused by the bailout, that was caused by the construction industry recession.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '101,000 banking jobs have been lost in the Uk since 2008 '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as of 9th Jan 2012'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'something that never happened in Texas btw, or any other large energy producing state except california.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '500,000 financial sector layoffs in the USA since 2008'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just over 300,000 pan-EU'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'banks do not need as many people when they are not making as much money or handling peoples money actively.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'banks have started hiring again, but slowly.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so has construction.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have it both ways :-) Bail-out or no bail-out, there were going to be losses, financial and employment'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure you can, we are America...we can do anything...you should know that by now! :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only difference is that a bail-out debases the market and pushes more of the pain onto the working man, bankruptcy would have hit investors harder'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a standard case of the elite looking after number 1'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even AIG paid back most of its bailout.....'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All the banks paid back their loans.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'GM still owes some, so does chrysler.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Just to chime in, the big problem with the bailout was that it basically patted the upper-echelon bank employees on the back and told them, "It's okay if you guys fucked us, we'll still make sure you don't have to take any salary cuts"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but they did take salary cuts, for the 2 years they took the loans :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bank CEO's were still walking away with millions, and dishing out huge bonuses to upper managers.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'central banks were printing money and GIVING it to banks'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still are'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no matter how hard we try to devalue the dollar....people around the world keep buying our damn bonds. :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eventually that will change'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take several more years though'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont understand though....the more we devalue the dollar, the easier it becomes to pay off our debt. :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, and the poorer everyone becomes while you do it'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another way to screw over the poor and middle classes'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'will the japanese pass the chinese as the largest holder of US debt ?!1'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the poor and middle class will have good jobs again when the dollar has devalued even more, and more products are manufactured in the US instead of imported from china.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention all the tourists that come to the US to take advantage of the weaker dollar.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll have jobs as some manufacturing moves back to the US'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, they will be low paid'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better then working at mcdonalds for $8 an hour.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will probably be much the same'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'build cars for $22 an hour plus benefits.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe $12-15 an hour'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'This is known as "The invisible middle finger of the market"'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in devalued currency'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the thing with devaluing your currency - stuff costs more'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, the currency is only devalued when you go overseas'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of milk will still be the same as normal.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll go up if the cost of feed goes up'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'imports cost more'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont import feed, :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only imports of things we dont need will go up with a devalued dollar'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have been, and probably will do'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'things made here with materials made here do not go up fast.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if your producers can get more exporting them or not'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no but demand for us products does go up so price might rise some '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have never imported grains into the US :P'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we produce more then we can use.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'assuming US  currency devaluation '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but if we export ...'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US currency devalution makes US made goods cheaper to buy.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'for non US '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have been trying to devalue the US currency for 20 years now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, cheaper for export, but the same price for US.  People will still be working for good wages, and actually have good jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no riz'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'demand for exports goes up price demanded for those good will also go up'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only if you dont produce more :)'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'both forgien price and domestic price'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well then your addin two factors'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am sure at some point we wont be able to produce more and more, but that day is not now.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and thats goes against a fundamental way analysis is done'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'GMO for the win....the europeans wont eat it, so more for us.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'can only change one thing at a time and in this case its devauation of currency '
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can only tell you how it affects me. Devaluing the GB currency just makes my life worse'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you guys do realize you are not supposed to be devaluing your currency...it makes it harder for the US to do it :p'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love the German economy...they know how to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Germany's economy is almost the same as the US, 1/4th the size and 1/4th the people.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, deep fried cat intestines on a stick.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, Bizarre foods went to Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should try muktuk at least once.'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had a 3-4 day old egg from the supermarket... that was good... so was the 6-7 month old bacon, and the 4-5 month old frozen orange juice'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got stop with the mischans'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some of the better dogs can pull with just three legs... gives you something to snack on during those long runs'
T3/r7/2013-04-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, nk has been downright quiet lately....perhaps china told em to shut the hell up, or no more cheap basketball shipments!'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the USGS just doubled the amount of recoverable oil in the bakken shale to 7.4 billion barrels out of the estimated 600 billion barrels of oil in place.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is estimated that the mexican part of the eagle ford shale has around 100 billion barrels of oil, unknown amount is recoverable, since mexico's pemex isnt test drilling yet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the eagle ford shale stretches from northern mexico to dallas texas to western louisiana.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'so You're saying that the mexican half of eagle ford has invested assets into company that technically doesn't exist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'underneath the eagle ford shale under dallas is also the barnett shale, one of the largest deposits of natgas in the country.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pemex exists, it is the mexican govts oil company.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what does 'shale' mean?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a type of rock and geologic formation that can contain lots of natgas and oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'under the eagle ford shale in eastern Texas, and western Lousiana is also the haynesville shale.....another huge deposit of natgas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps california will get half a brain and start developing that huge shale oil deposit under the central valley.  An estimated 6-12 billion barrels recoverable in a field of 300 billion barrels or so.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'california will go bankrupt before control can be wrested from the mad socialists'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ADD, ADHD, Autism, Aspergers, OC......'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Governor Christie is building 127 miles of sand dune to prevent the flooding caused when he takes his fat lard arse out swimming'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's good to be the king'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, nice to see -he- isn't going without food ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nobody in america goes without food'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably not true'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'everyone eats'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'nobody goes without food who puts in minimal effort'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there will be immigrants, drug addicts, victims who go without'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the poorest US homeless person lives like a king compared to the poor in other countries'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't even really need minimal effort... except maybe to haul yer fat ass down to the court house and apply for food stamps'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think we're disagreeing on the substantive argument, was pointing out the specifics'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are people in the UK that go hungry'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those people you list are suffering from afflictions other than hunger, tiger... if you have no stomach, throat, mouth, touge or teeth,... then ya.. you likely go hungry'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are loads of people, especially elderly people who have to choose between eating, and heating'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'americans have to chose between McDonalds and Burger king'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would the situation there be if you applied UK-like living costs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you see someone on american tv say "We's need mo food stamps cus we's hungry", what their really saying is "we need more food stamps so that we can eat at KFC three meals a day instead of only two."'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, we can see you're pretty much the opposite of a bleeding-heart liberal :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is a huge difference in expectations between the british and americans... americans have become "entitled" where as the british will "suck it up"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, that's not true at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'stoic, vs bitchy whiners'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we started welfare/entitlement before you guys'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I hope so... you've been around longer'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've got now households where there is now a third succesive generation of a family who has never worked'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you refer to the "dole" as its called in the UK, you are talking about sustinence... enought to get by.. in the US, there is an "entitlement" to a certain level of quality of life.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're largely the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US, there are 9 states where the wage-equivilent of the welfare is MORE than the national average salary for teachers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I really have to ask, what're you basing your opinion on, Von? A few news snippets?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a different system. unemployment benefit is tiny here (fixed amount) but there are also payments for housing, kids etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'non-workers in the US feel entitled to a middle/middle-low quality of life.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't your wage-equivalent welfare also time-limited?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'dole in the UK is time limited TN'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, swalec, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where as in the UK, if you don't work, you will live, but you will not live well.  there is less expectation of a moderate quality of life'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, TN, it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? i guess i don't actually know people who've been on jobseekers for 6 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Again, Von, you're making some pretty broad and sweeping generalizations here. What're you basing them on?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, that be because you are not understanding the distinction between the different benefits'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tofting: 'can get dole in england forever'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's with pushing the strawman argument?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where the UK is concerned, not much more than life-experience... where the US system is concerned, there are plenty of stats to support my general comments'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That people feel entitled to a middle-lower class life? Seems like an oddly specific statistic, I'd love to see it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Contribution based is based only on your National Insurance contributions and takes no account of savings or your partner's earnings etc. This is only paid for a maximum of 26 weeks. Income based JSA is a means tested 'poverty benefit' and depends on your savings and household income. you can stay on this for a long as you qualify, so unless you get alternative income or get a job you continue to qualify. There is no set length of time for Income Based JSA and you can remain on it until you find work.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i accept your apology'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next witness, please'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for example, the comment about the teachs wages vs welfare wages can be found at the CATO institure:  http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa240es.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'just so -- so non means tested JSA --- equivalent to the what used to be called unemployment benefit -- is time limited to a maximum of 26 weeks. Note this is a max -- last time I was UB40, I got, well, none.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the record, vonliege, if teachers get, say 66% of their previous salary in unemployment for a fixed length of time, subject to contributions they've made over a long period, that's really a good idea and how it's supposed to work'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm not interested in that one, I can firmly believe that one to be true without seeing the statistic. I want to see the one that validates your generalizations that all poor people in America just want to eat at KFC 3 times a day, and all feel entitled to middle-class lifestyles.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were in UB40? cool!'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as for the middle-low class life style, that comment is based on how states set benifit levels.  each state is a bit different, of course, but for the most part, they set benifits based on just below middle class incomes for the area'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, TN, I used to play the bass'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So, it's based on what the government did? How is that a reflection on what the poor expect?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the KFC comment was all me.  Pisses me off to see someone in line in front of me buying a 13 piece bucket of extra crispy  with an EBT card and eating it all themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It's more a reflection on what government feels they should provide, which is vastly different.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I mean, yes, there are lazy assholes that want to have everything handed to them, but my beef with your argument is in its attempt to apply that to every person living in poverty in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i'm sorry, i like the idea of a contributions based welfare payment that is time limited and based upon your contributions'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what a safety net looks like'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish our system here was more like that'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Here's something that can not be quanitfied with statistics or facts... so I will just claim it as my own:  There is no SHAME in america today.  Where previous generations would have accepted food stamps with shame, and do their damdest to get off them, todays americans will take and take and call those who work suckers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was it always like that, and if not, how do YOU think it got there? By what mechanism?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'anything can be quantified with stats Von -- what you mean is "here is a statement for which I have no evidence"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'TN, a safety net has to catch people who have not made any contribution yet also, otherwise its not a safety net'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless... I never tried to present it as fact.  I claimed it as my own opinion... if calling it "no evidence" make you feel better, so be it'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't disagree, Swalec, but a safety net might mean some people being paid more than others, at least initially'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, well that happens now TN'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, i was defending it'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't happen here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'TN, I mean, in the UK -- this is why when I was last on the dole, I couldn't get any time back'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'problem we have here is welfare being used to support low paid jobs, which is crazy'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I went straight onto supplementary benefit (which shows my age)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Canada is a little like that. Our Federal Employment Insurance is tied to the wage you earned in the position you were fired from. You can't claim it if you quit or were fired with good reason, but it'll pay like 60% of your previous wage for a period of 6 - 12 months. I've never used it so I'm not clear on all the details, but it's nice to have.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i'm coming around to some (left wing?) people who suggest that the minimum wage should be racked up to some $15 an hour'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'indeed, TN, it is a problem -- like many of the current generation I funded by education partly through the DSS'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Unfortunately even that gets abused by seasonal workers who work through the summer, then sit on their ass over the winter collecting EI every year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to also see "kids" (and the choice to have them) taken out of the welfare equation, it's crazy to encourage the welfare masses to breed'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'TN, yes, that is true, but then a dumb decision to have kids should not necessary result in the kids living in extreme poverty'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are a few workarounds, such as encouraging contraceptive implants, possibly even mandating them for receiving welfare'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The Catholics would freak.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It'd never work.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have many catholics'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You only need a few to cause an issue.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an alternative would be forced adoption if you signed a waiver'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i prefer just moving away from child-related benefits. I'd much rather the money spent on better services for kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more nursery care, better schools, free higher education'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free school meals and free school uniform'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Can't argue with the intentions of that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'undermines those freaks on welfare that spend all the kiddy benefits on xbox, fags, booze, skytv'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guarantees the kids clothing and a meal a day'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but the xbox is a powerful contraceptive'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently not effective enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of the solutions require leaving the EU, though, so that's the first step'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'buuut..what about the poor EU bureaucrats? Think about the employment.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nazi Merkel can shove it up her fascist arse'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'she just wants what's best for Germany'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the impoverishment, enslavement, and conquering of Europe?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they have a stronger economy that most of europe'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats the cause of the collapse, not justification for it's continuance'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if economic dominence can't be an objective of government... that what's the point of government?  or coutries, for that matter?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spoken like a true neocon, vl'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i so wish you were kidding'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why not just have gang up on germany, spill their treasury into the back alleys and side streets of "impoverished" europe and be done with it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'germany (and a little bit of france) is about the only thing keeping the EU afloat.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can dismantle germany, and have a big party, but then it's over.  EU will be finished'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not necessary, just requires the countries in trouble to grow some balls and leave the EU - defaulting on the loans will harm Germany immensely'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... take germany's money - then don't pay it back... that's a sure way to unite the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they shouldn't need to feel guilty, the debts were caused in part by Germany in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is a return to yesterdays discussion on the rich - all of europe resents germany becuse they are successful... rather than suceed themselves, their just going to tear down germany so everyone is in the gutter together'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what the issue is at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. I side tracked it a bit'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the countries of europe were "sold" an idea based on a lie'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole lie was sold in order to remove the sovereign power of members and centralise power and control with the european council. Germany being the most powerful monetary force means that they are largely in control of that'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is on record as being such. many of the articifers of the EU came out of soviet era East Germany and the USSR'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you said is a bit like berating vulnerable pensioners for being conned by confidence tricksters claiming that it's not the trickster's fault they're good at screwing people out of their life savings'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in that case, there is something bigger to correct the injustice - when countries are involved in correcting injustices, its called war'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was over stated'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lemme see if I can re-phrase'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should take a look at your founding fathers, they knew full well what it was about and tried to put in place a CONSTITUTION that would give the people every tool/chance to prevent it from happening again, and solve the need for HAVING war'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if government ultimatly failed, and fell into the rut of despotism... there was always the second ammendment to correctthe situation'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'maybe worth a mention- the soviet union bought alot of the nazi v2 rocket scientists. Its unbelievable.. The second world war was barely over and the allied superpowers were already turning their attention against one another '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we got Braun'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think the neocons and neoliberals are so keen to get rid of that? Why do you think they want world governance?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Patton wanted to keep going into russia after berlin'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'One man's terrorist is the next man's freedom fighter'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that wouldn't have been a good idea... '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the west had supported CashmyCheck isntead of Mao Zedong, things might have worked out differently'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i think perhaps too. But that would depend more on the other players on the board '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first job is to try and convince Vonliege that the answer is not to bomb everyone/everything'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'thats what my answer would be'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who would you bomb and why?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'personally id start bomb random countried'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the worlds to populated as it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's not helpful, Edicius'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that approach has made you guys plenty of friends already, not'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'bombing would be more useful then steralization'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're talking crazy, when there is a perfectly reational discussion to be had'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is indicative of why I fear that humanity has no future, folks'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there are good ways to prevent overpopulation'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and killing is not one of them I think'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'population is set to peak naturally around 2050'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's turn that to the "artificial negation of natural selection"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell memwhat you mean by "peak naturally"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'really cause peak kinda means meets its limitation where in the human race peak would be impossible'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'studies show family sizes get smaller worldwide as more of the developing world becomes more affluent. Western soceities already have populations at below-replacement levels'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'since there is a strong correlation between poverty and large family size one should fight poverty'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because if you're talking "nature", humans left that along time ago'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, ElFeneri'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parts of the world are already overpopulated, and it is going to get worse'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it will get better'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poverty equals large familiy size because it is artificiall supported by social programs... roll back the clock a few centuries and see how large an empoverished family is'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'plenty of room for everyone, mismanagement of resources causing problem'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'back then you needed a large family to farm corps take care of live stock all that stuff'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more specifically, vonliege, large family size in the third world was caused by the very high death rate and need for workers'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'id wish wed reform back to that time'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they have got to the point where the survival rate has gone up, there are more kids than their are land that can sustain them'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those farm families were not rich, but they were not empoverished, either... they had work to do, and product to contribute... I'm tlaking about the porch-sitter who does nothing but eat and fuck.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be nice to go back to that, vl, but we have to play the hand we have'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the hand we have is shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if an event wiped out 90% of the population tomorrow, you really think the powers that be would allow people to go back to the land?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... but let's not pretend that we are doing anything "natural" here'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the powers the be own you'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, i am a slave'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ditto'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there might be some room for new management if 90% got wiped out'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a chance'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it would just reset to "the strongest call the shots"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which leaves you in exactly the same situation we're in now, just with fewer people'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the establishment would still have all the cards and all the weapons, the status quo would be maintained'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'but if 10% survived more then likely the 10% are tptb'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which supports the point of view that this is just the human condition.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'two things must occur first.. 1. Global electricity must fail.. The global-village concept must be brought to its knees and the world must become a collection of divided factions. Nuclear bombs would create unnecessary radian'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'agreed magus'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, it could be overcome without a worldwide event, it would probably require sucession tho'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'if that happened global meltdown and all that junk people are going to be fucked'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas !'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global meltdown is extremely unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'unless, the bombs are used to practically reset our past and all records thereof.. But considering the human nature, how many centuries would it take for us to return back here again?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ill just stay inside for like a year'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'let the morons take care of each other'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"do nothing and hope there's a global catastrophe" doesn't sound like much of a plan to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'work towards a global catastrophy?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err no?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'global temperature change due to increased volcanic activities would probably set off a disaster. Imagine what would happen if 50% of the crops failed on the northern hemisphere? It happened a few hundred years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't catastrophic'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and more recently during the dust bowl'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not then because there were much fewer ppl then'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but there was famine and lots of ppl died anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the instititutions would survive it'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But we don't rely entirely on crops to feed us anymore. We have strange chemically-derived foods to do that for us now!'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'artificial fertilizer has postponed future dust bowls, and smarter use of the farmland will keep them at bay.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing i can see working is setting up a ringfenced country where you can get back to what was originally intended'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'melting icecaps release a dorment virus to the world previously unknown killing millions upon millions possible?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"originally intended" by who and what standard?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'uhm.. why would there be dormant viruses in icecaps?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'when looking at the hypothetical post-apocalypse, you have the understand the present day human.. The media, government and what what have suppressed humanity considerably. Think of man today and the model of the warrior man centuries ago. When in a new era, all the suppressed evils of man will be unchained and our evils will flourish..'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'darwinism will become the order of the day'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'darwinism is a good way of achieving nothing'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, other than evolution TN'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evolution will not solve anything in our lifetime, by definition'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think there is room to examine social and economic evolution'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those "evolve" at a much faster rate'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only thing that matters is technoogical evolution, everything else happens too slowly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technology doesn't overthrow tyranny nor prevent it'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back when... if you were poor, and too stupid or lame to survive, you perished... today, you sit on the porch and do nothing but eat and fuck'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'as a species, it will be bad in the short run but, if we survive, humanity will grow stronger. So if post-apocalypse humanity can evade the trap of monarchy, democracy and common strife, we may stand a chance'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and for damn sure, keep the religious nuts out of it....we dont need another dark ages slowing us down.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'praying for the apocalypse won't help'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'you don't pray for a flood when you see the dam wall cracking'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless you are up stream from the flood, and the people down stream are the source of your angst'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or jehovahs... either way'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go put your thinking hats on then how we might get out of this mess WITHOUT resorting to nukes and disasters, then'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'eugenics?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eugenics doesn't solve the problem'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously... I think society is on a ballistic trajectory, and no amount of huffing on the projectile will significant'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're giving up?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '.....significant'y alter it's course'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on the contrary... I think the real work to be done is figuring out what to do after impact'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the USGS has doubled the expected recoverable oil reserves from the bakken shale formation.....bet it happens against in a few years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'again that is'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the impact will be after we're gone'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps... but not too long after.  I say it will be sooner than that'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'allit will take is one 'lil spark.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and BOOM!'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'elaborate'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the world social situation is basically a house of toothpicks... carefully balanced, glued, patched....'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'added to here and there, very rarely trimmed... etc....'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it doesn't have any structural stregth.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what do you think will cause it to fall?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at some point, it will crumble... something will be added, or a force applied that the structure just5 can't handle...'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Scientists at IBM have just unveiled the world's smallest stop-motion film certified by Guinness one made by moving individual atoms.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno... a significant economic cascade failure....'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a terrorist nuke popped in london....'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could be almost any thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a nuke in London wouldn't stop anyting. what will precipitate this failure?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might even be global warming'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and pigs will fly'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a nuke in london would have a significant cascade effect... border would be lammed shut - trade would all but cease - suspition and violence would ensue....'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a nuke, however small, used in violence would be a game changer'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'somebody is nuking the toilet here at work ugh'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree, a suitcase nuke wouldn't be big enough to cause any lasting problem'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the us use of nukes on japan was like a "holy crap.. look at that!" moment.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hiroshima was a significant sized air-dropped bomb'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorists would not have access to that'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but TODAY.. .it's the IDEA of nukes that would do the damage... you are right.. a small nuke would not do much REAL damage... the damage would be social.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think it would really matter at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it certainly wouldnt' bring down the establishment'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the vast majority of people in the world didnt even know about the nuke bombing of japan in WWII, it was a huge world back then....today everyone with a radio or tv would know a few seconds after.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK is already screwed on that regard, you have a far better chance in the USA of enacting change in a smaller area'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... look at the WTC.. just two buildings and a fe thousand people dead... the US is STILL fighting wars over that... the impact was HUGE, but the damage was tiny'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're suggesting that you would need to resort to terrorist attacks on your own people in order to enact a change? it wouldn't work, because YOU DO NOT CONTROL THAT CHANGE'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i see the world as the belt of a crossbow slowly pulling back, more and more.. More people grow pissed by the day about it. One day, that belt will release, exerting the exact force that has pulled it back, but only in one dramatic blow which will set in motion a chain reaction.. If the illuminati has been planning global meltdown, they've been doing a damn fine job'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... crickets... score one for the tinfoil hat crowd'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was with you... right up to the last line'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'why do you disagree?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'lol if you don't believe in the illuminati by this stage'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think we can discount the idea that terrorism would cause the change that is needed. The only people who can use terrorism to their advantage (whether perpetrated or not) is the establishment'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(as has been demonstrated on numerous occasions through history)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, it's just not morally justifiable'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'in a sense, i disagree that the illuminati exists to start with.. There mere reputation around them have created counter-activitist.. David icke for example pretending to be the protagonist with his hoo-ha spiritualism conspiracy.. If nothing else, i'd say he's doing the illuminati's job'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the answer as to whether it exists depends to a large extent on how you define what they are'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'illuminati is just a symbol for something which may or may not actually be called the illuminati'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'the people who appear to be in control are not the ones with control'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'based on their claims roughly outlined in wikipedia'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'You're suggesting david icke is someone else's tool?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if by the illuminati you mean a group of rich/powerful people who are members of groups/cliches/societies formal or otherwise that within, without and in parallel to normal government and corporate activity seek to manipulate governance, corporations, banks, for their own ends? The yes, without question it exists - only need look at such organisations as the IMF, UN, Trilateral Comission, CFR, Bilderberg group'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you mean illuminati as a discrete bunch of satan-worshipping masons who worship a symbol of a pyramid with an eye, then probably not'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yeah the former, although I'd allow for a little touch of satan worship in there. Acts like deliberately blowing up world trade centre as a propaganda ruse can only be considered satanic imo.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blowing up the wtc the first time around could have been attributed to major clusterfuck on behalf of the fbi'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though there's plenty of damning evidence that it was pushed deliberately for financial gain'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yeah, buildings were riddled with aspestos apparently, but insured'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just insurance issues, but military spending issues. You should see the lobbying went into CISPA because of the lucrative military contracts on offer'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of stories of army getting tanks they don't want, air force getting planes they don't want, all because it's being pushed by the MIC'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'its a symbolic counterpart. Christianity calls nearly everything that isn't christian, satanism. The pyramid is synonymous with the big brother'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i'm so anti-war, because it's nearly always perpetrated on a lie, it's nearly always a load of bollocks, and never makes things better, it's all a ruse to get more money and more control'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'makes money for the bankers lending to the government, also generates public support for a war that doesn't need fighting'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'even the vietnam war was supposedly started on some non-existing pretext'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mean the North Nam'ers were great people, or didn't deserve it, but two wrongs don't make a right'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same in Iraq, there were no WMDs, the intelligence was faked to order and that has been admitted'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar scenario in Libya, same happening in Syria'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same would have been true of NK, same will be true of Iran'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'someone mentioned the new red dawn movie on this channel yesterday, I watched it today, it's terrible'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'most ridiculously inaccurate film I've ever seen'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The thing that bothers me about that, Tiger, is that Saddam openly used chemical weapons against the Kurds some years earlier. Did the guy only buy 2 of them or something? It's hard to create a solid answer to whether or not there were weapons, because there was a 6 month buildup to the war that gave Saddam plenty of time to bury them in the desert if he did have them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was alwys going to be terrible once China forced them to reshoot it since they didn't want to be made out as the enemy'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Iraq war was not fought over chemical weapons, Cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Chemical weapons = WMD.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Er... yes, they are.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Check out the Encyclopedia Brittanica, it openly lists them as being considered WMD's.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't what they were talking about, otherwise you have justification to invade just about every country on the planet'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'either way they were presumably looking for explosives in iraq not biological weapons'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, they faked the intel to justify an illegal war'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They were looking for WMD's, chemical/biological weapons are recognized by the U.N as being WMD's, while I won't argue they embellished their intel, to make distinctions between explosive vs. chemical WMD's is silly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the scale of weaponary they were looking for'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, particularly when neither of them actually exist'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was not found'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'imaginary explosive weapons, imaginary chemical weapons -- it all works'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Which is why I made my original statement that there were other factors that may have played a role in them not being found, them not existing being a possibility, but not the only possibility.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, he did -have- some chemical weapons, swalec, the west sold them to him when they sided with him in the Iraq/Iran proxy war'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'sure, but he'd used all of those'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Based on history, I find it a ridiculous conclusion to jump to that Saddam didn't have any chemical WMD's, as he openly used them against the Kurds. Unless the guy bought 2 missiles for that sole purpose, it stands to reason that he would have had more.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason they went into Iraq in force is because Saddam wasn't doing as he was told, was oversupplying oil to the market in order to pay off his country's debts'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I think people draw the conclusion that Saddam didn't have chemical weapons on the basis of there not being any. I mean, you can claim that they just didn't look hard enough, but they really did want to find them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't justify lying about intelligence in order to justify an invasion, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'After a 6 month build up where he had free reign to do what he wanted with them. It's like telling someone you're going to get a search warrant... 6 months before you do.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'also, many in the US adminstration were inline to make a killing when they outsourced large parts of the military function to the private sector'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I never said it did, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, cuthbert, but it's a strawman argument'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so you think, Saddam, maniac nutter, when faced with an invasion said "oh, better get rid of my chemical weapons, in case they are found, and I get into trouble?"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes it is, you trying to pin a point to my argument I was never trying to make is total strawman.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, why didn't he use them?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then what argument are you trying to make?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That stating Saddam had no WMD's is jumping to a conclusion that has too many unknown factors involved, to cleanly state.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And contradicts historical events within Iraq that show he did have access to them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I already agreed that the evidence was embellished to make a case for war, but embellishment doesn't mean it isn't true to a degree'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It simply wasn't strong enough on its own to justify war.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an understatement'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'another story i heard, is that bin laden was burning american opium fields'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Taliban gov't destroyed almost all the opium fields prior to the US-led invasion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the taliban burned opium fields, as drug use is against sharia (despite the warlords taking it)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bin-laden wasn't part of the taliban'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bin-laden was a saudi agent and a CIA asset'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Iran said on Tuesday it would be a "reliable partner" in the Middle East if Western countries would take a more cooperative approach in talks on its nuclear program.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i read reports that the military are basically in charge on Iran now, and it's pretty much as stable as any islamic country can get'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to 'take out the bad guys' in the middle east, you should take out the Saudis and Bahrain'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were you aware that 'you're either with us, or you're with the terrorists'?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb41E6Gmq6g&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surely the answer to Al Gore's questions is less federal government, and small local, direct democracies?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perpetuates the myth that hurricane sandy was caused by human-induced climate change'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with all the money he's making from green investments that would never have been profitable without government subsidy and regulation'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he then goes on to describe the brainwashing he's involved with in our colleges'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see every trucker in the US go on a sick strike for 3 days.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the answer with the dashes is correct'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I use it'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought his name was bill, or steve or something'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DANGIT!'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bill gates and steve jobs....you have bill and steve on the mind eh ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The American justice system needs a hoodlum catagory inbetween "criminal" and "enemy combatant"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: '"serious douchebag" would fit nicely'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Since the definition of "hoodlum" is actually "a person who engages in crime and violence," I would think "criminal" already applies'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here we have a group of people - some citizens, some foreign nationals - all accused of conspiring to kill Americans, likely for some political agenda... and we have to be "nice" to them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not enough to be "Fair"... we have to be "NICE"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we do?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'You keep on using that word... I do not think it means what you think it means...'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'our society demands it'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather than get to the heart of the crime - "we have to be sympathetic to their plight"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'should I keep waiting for you to actually define your hyperbolic terms, or is this another pity party?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we should nazify the process and put an efficient bullet in their head.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would be cheaper to keep criminals asleep in prison wards...no violence, or trouble caused by them, and we can keep them in large rooms.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prison costs would plummet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is certainly a course of action... I don't think that's the RIGHT course.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'why waste a bullet when the market is already hard up thanks to Homeland Security? Just hang them'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'small rooms, pack 'em in like slaves.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chemically induced sleep.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That is called Corrections Corp. of America, I believe'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can RE-USE an effective noose'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... and we could launch the "sleep" chambers into space to save room... please.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oooh.. I like that.. or we could just burn them all in huge ovens, but that'd screw up the atmosphere for miles'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with black smoke for guilt, and white smoke for innocence?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'considering the cost-per-ton for your typical space launch, however, ovens seem cheaper than space'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what? I thought we knew they were guilty'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, we still need an appeals process.  This IS America, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'fuck that, they're guilty, and any "appeal" is synonymous with being too "nice"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ons was a nazi in a previous life. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he has a fixation with hot ovens.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and I'm sure getting toasted in the oven will replace waterboarding...'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no.. waterboard them first, that way we get MORE people for our ovens'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I thought you knew how this was done?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught peers intently at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just saying... we so eager to be "just" and "good" in America..  when so much of the world is just crap.  The "old" addage was "better to let 100 guilty men free than wrongly imprison one inocent man"... the updated version seems to be "better to let 100 innocent school children be slaughtered than to wrongly execute one innocent enemy of the state"  I'm sure principals go along way to easing the grief of the survivors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Vonliege - seriously, you going to, at one small point in this exchange, actually give us some factual examples of what you're seemingly pulling from your ass?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, if you keep the communication lines open while turning up the heat, you can send out a team to follow up on the lead to make sure the guy wasn't just giving you what you wanted to hear.  Once verified, he's already in the oven and we don't need him anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Or were you suggesting we should dispense with the "innocent until proven guilty" concept for murder in general? Or only certain murders you pluck out?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '(psst Hanslanda: this is what "animate corpse" is for... FYI)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '>c 'animate corpse' 7.terrorist bastard;>say You got anyone else to rat out before we burn you alive again?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've just been flipping thru the news channels today... on CNN, you have a child pycologist explaining to the viewers how these "children" (the two brothers) are just as much victims in this as the peopel they killed.  siting abuse, neglect, a failed system, etc... on the FOX side, you have TV personalities screaming for their genitals... it's ALL hyperboly... HYPERBOLY IS the problem, I think'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hyperbole, you mean.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so just to be clear Vonliege - that would be a "no" to my original request? You have no actual evidence of our justice system being "nice" or fluffy or whatever to these guys?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you just pulled an Abelinc on my ass'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have first hand experience with enemy combatants... farm fresh ones.. have to be NICE... it's in the ROE'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is on target of executing about 20 people this year.  Govt sanctioned murder is still murder.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught pats Vonliege on his head.
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Murder" is defined as death by illegal means... exevution is not illigal - so not murder'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as Ron White said so eloquently..."When most states are getting rid of the death penalty, mine's putting in an express lane"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is still murder.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'R E D R U M'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only by your definition... '
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah as much as I hate to say it, vonliegen is actually right on this one'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you are welcome to define your own definition.. but it is only yours'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it also doesnt work as a deterrent'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually Riz studies have been done which show it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not murder if the one put to death is guilty.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'At least not in Texas, and it costs 3x more than keeping them in prison for life.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but whether it is or not is irrelevant to definitions. It isn't murder, in much the same way abortion is also not murder, by definition.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does that include the 20+ years on death row?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it includes all costs'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we're getting into semanitics here... murder or not... the issue is wether or not it's "right"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'abortion's just a belated miscarriage.  Perfectly natural, even.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hehehe.. note how Vonliege doesn't want to admit abortion isn't murder, while perfectly willing to smack Rizgoth around about execution also not being murder'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'based on definitions :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was using the "not illegal" card from an earlier discussion... yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'naw, we've had this discussion before, and we both know better, but if you don't have a problem with the hypocrisy, I'm good with it too'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'abortion is murder also, but it isnt my place to tell you not to have one.....executing prisoners just because they killed someone is just wrong, if that is the case, should also execute people who get an abortion for killing someone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we're all a little hypocritical.. comes with being human'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually I think it's interesting that the argument for NOT giving rapists the death penalty is because to do so would encourage MORE murder... ie if you're already going to be executed for the rape, why not just finish her off?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.....and kidnappers might as well kill thier hostages also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'now I would be perfectly willing to chuck that and test out whether or not the theory holds true by dragging every fucking rapist ever to do the deed up by his neck until cold'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I'm not in charge'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'in most areas that is'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I figure if you add a simple "torture" agreement to the rule it would work fine... such as "if you rape someone and then kill them, not only will you be executed, you will also be tortured for some period of X months before the state puts you to death"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'anyhoo... (SUBJECT CHANGE!) - So I found this today: Political ideology affects energy-efficiency attitudes and choices (Apparently some people would rather spite other people rather than specifically do something beneficial to the environment, even when the cost is actually lower regardless). http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/04/26/1218453110'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's kind of sad'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love my 12 mpg truck.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I love your 12 mpg truck too, but that's kind of irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I installed an efficiency apt and home office in my truck....:)'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has 480 watts of solar panels on the roof, and 6 105 amp AGM batteries, specially made RV ac/heater, fridge, freezer, yamaha generator, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a wifi booster, and a satellite tv dish'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'in my day we called those "campers" or even "RVs" rather than "trucks"'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but you do what you gotta do as far as labels are concerned'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I converted a Uhaul truck.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when are you going to covert THAT to LG Gas?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never, I use it to travel around the country, or live in it while up in north dakota.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Uhaul? and it only gets 12 mpg?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'erm'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I might upgrade it to a diesel engine in a few years though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'granted this is hardly different from my regular exposure on the "debate" channel, but I'm beginning to question whether it's the people or the channel that make it so completely useless/pointless/etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's the venue.  We're ultimately playing a game, and that fact absolutely permeates debate channel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'personally, we should just declare debate for important game-related issues that need discussing, like bots and raiding.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'perhaps it's the context of the game? "Debate" channels on chess servers tend to offer more germaine commentary'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ehhh... Raiding board is enough for that, thanks'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'geeks don't usually come to MUDs to geek out.  We're essentially their dumb time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'geeks have no option but to geek out, for it is their nature to do so'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they couldn't stop themselves if they tried'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's also the thing about taking your work home with you.  Few people want to take real life into the places they try to escape it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yet they do anyway, because they are people, and that is their nature'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and quality obviously suffers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'naw, I think it's just a general aversion to thinking too hard about personally applicable bias sets'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'anyway, it's time for dinner, be back in a bit'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so why don't you start up a debate while clubbin'?'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In a survey of 4,341 students across the globe, 19% of respondents said they would prefer to work in the U.S. post-graduation over any other country, according to Universum, a recruiting, branding and research firm.'
T3/r7/2013-05-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The United Kingdom came in second, with 12% of the vote, followed by Australia, with 8%, and Canada at 6%. Germany, also at 6%, was the top non-English destination, followed by France, Switzerland, Sweden, Japan, and Spain.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'why do you think that people started sun-worshipping, bearing in mind that ancient civilizations had no concrete scientific knowledge and thus, didn't know about the uses and benefits of solar energy/radiation or that the sun really sustained life for that matter'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they knew it sustained life because they knew that when it got cold they tended to die.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i don't think thats the case. Things don't die when the temperature changes, in terms of solar radiation or rather, the lack thereof. It couldn't been cold while the sun was shining too, so how then, would they have attributed warmth to the sun?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'if that makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i'm talking bout pre-roman and pre-helenism thinking, just btw'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'Could it be as simple as: "The dark makes it harder to move/work/survive, the sun makes the dark go away. Hooray for the sun!"?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US government planning an "app" that tracks vaccine refusers'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what vaccine?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '/any'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Florida set up a $1m telephone hotline to allow people to shop their neighbours for anti-government dessent'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't falle for it Tigernuts! it's a trick!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a trap!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's a trick-trap!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'See!!?!?!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'argh!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Looking for an opinion: To which temperature should I heat a salmon in the oven? (Oven temp is 90 degrees celcius).'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://bit.ly/120OYKl'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I can google. But the google has diverse opinions.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SlapDummy Korridel: 'Fish, specifically salmon, is done nicely when it reaches an internal temperature of 135-140 f.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm looking for the one true temperature.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it isn't LOTR dude'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I've set the alarm to 55 degrees, so should be good then.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SlapDummy Korridel: 'There is no one true temperature.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SlapDummy Korridel: 'It depends on how well done the interior of the fish you want, and whether you have filets, or a full side, and the thickness.  So, 135-140 means you've just removed all the pink from the interior, but isn't dried out.  As long as your salmon isn't ridiculously oversized on it's thickest part.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's a full fish, about 2.5 kgs. (gutted, of course)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SlapDummy Korridel: 'Personally, with that, I like to take the fish, oepn it up, salt, pepper, dill, lemon slices and zest, and butter.  Flip closed, wrap with tinfoil so the butter and lemon starts to steam from the inside, and either bake in oven, or bbq it'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Pretty much what I did, except for the tinfoil. I'll try that next time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SlapDummy Korridel: 'if you can keep the steam in, it'll help uniformly cook it.  That's the biggest problem with convection ovens, especially as you open/close the door :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just took it out at 52 degrees, it actually looks perfect, so I'm going to stop there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what exactly is it that Vakieh was objecting to, anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which time?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most recent'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'koran v bible?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'interesting debate - '
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'futile maybe'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sor of futile unless it's academic only.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously Vakieh believes there is little functional difference between Congress using a Bible to open sessions and any other political entity using another religious text to do the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege nods at tigger
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'he overlooks the context and value of the books in favor of a more universal objection to religiosity in government generally'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was what i got from it'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think it all comes down to what you believe the foundation of America is.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'a more nuanced approach might be to look at countries which use a Koran and those which use a Bible and the relative levels of hostility to outsiders you get from them'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what relevence is the foundation of America to the practice?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm sure Vakieh would point out to Vonliege neither the Bible nor God are referenced in the U.S. Constitution'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is relevent to the practice "in America"... elsewhere, it's relevent to their foindation'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the founders were generally christian, and you have a constitution that protects the free practice of religion. if they want to open congress with a bible passage, then you really have no place standing in their way'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and Vonliege would respond with either something from the Declaration or the federalist papers'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and on and so forth until death do them part'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The founders were deists.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and that's what Vakieh would add'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you take the constitution out of contect... but if you include the wealth of surrounding documents from the day - it becomes obvious'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'see what I mean?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone chose not to open with a passage from the bible, i'm sure it wouldn't make any practical difference, but would be a sad loss of a tradition'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The whole christian thing in the US comes from the 1900s.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and "under god" wasn't in the pledge until commies became a problem'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, if someone said you CANNOT open with a passage from the bible, that would be against the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Us politics, I mean.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's really somewhat repetitious'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'personally I have no problem if they open with the Bible, the Koran, or the Sunday Comics'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'or maybe that whole Christian thing started with the first thanksgiving under George Washington, or the practice from the time of the first session of Congress to open with a Christian prayer...'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's weird for a secular country to refer to religion when making political statements.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is not a secular country as such'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the US is a very religious country'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It is supposedly a secular country... but I agree, it's not in practice.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'queue someone's notes from the Treaty of Tripoli'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debat to say it is secular is to say that it is without religion...  I've never heard anyone callthe US secular'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'this "debate" has become rote, frankly'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, vonliege, ranrr conflates "secular" with "having no state sponsored religion"'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A country can be secular, and stay away from religion in politics, while still allowing personal religion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Christian's long ago recognized that you cannot be forced to be a Christian, and must come to believe of your own free will. It cheapens religion to force it on others, and is more farcical than real religion. Thus, even though we are a Christian nation, we allow for different religions, or no religions at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught boggles at Tasty Tipro.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how "long ago" was this exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Islam also says that, Tipro'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'enlightenment'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: '1700's'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they got rid of missionaries in the 1700's?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'damn'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'being an evangelist is different than a state religion...'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'giving people bible's and teaching them about Jesus is different than mandating obedience'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry, thought you were talking about forcing people into a religion'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's still not something the government should do....'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh yeah.. here come take our food and our clothes and this Bible, but no pressure or anything'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tigernuts - I would point you to Qur'an (8:39), Qur'an (9:29) , Qur'an (9:5) ... the list goes on'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not religious, why do i always end up defending religion against atheist extremists?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'well yes, along with Christianity came western civilization and some other benefits...like medicine'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Qur'an is full of ambiguity and confliction, VL, who knew?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Like all religious textsx'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Finally found it for anyone that's interested, here's a good example of what I mean about how this country was founded on the idea that true religion comes through freedom. It's Thomas Jefferson's Virginia Statute on REligious Freedom. http://www.pbs.org/jefferson/enlight/religi.htm'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've given the Quran more than a passing look... islamic scholars would tell you that there are no good english tranlations - and then proceed to tell you that the Quran is only supposed to be writen in aribic - one particular dialect which I do not recall'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I feel compelled to toss in a cliche... "freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion"...  sappy, but very true'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'both, actually'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, in some places, it's illegal not to be religious. Doesn't matter which religion, just choose one.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if by both, you mean the freedom to not practice any religion... sure'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I am granted freedom of and from religion by the U.S. constitution'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a very swift search of those verses vonliege proves that you need to read and understand complete passages in context. none of those examples disprove what i said about people needing to come to Islam willingly'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and do you believe that MY practice of religion - sometimes even public - hinders your freedom FROM religion?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I meant e.g. indonesia, or saudi.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Islam also has a problem with people disrespecting their beliefs. Not that other religions are perfect, it just seems to be a bit more touchy with Muslims'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Depends Vonliege. If you are passing laws based on your religion which impact me in a negative fashion, then yes that is a problem'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will grant you that, TN... but it DOES illustrate the emphisis placed on "drag them - kicking and screaming if you have to"'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a difference passing laws that are influenced by religion and laws enforcing religion'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you wouldn't have a problem if my church, as an example, displayed a nativity scene at Christmas?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'none Vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that doesn't impact me'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I also have no problem is students in a public school want to display a nativity at said school'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VL, that passage was referring to pagans that continue to fight after peace has been agreed, it's more of a historical reference than an insutrction'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then we are of an accord.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For all I care, they can show porn in church. Or anything else they want.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it is a problem if teachers/admin at the school tell the kids to display one'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'see the diff?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come off it, kids weren't 'forced' to do nativity plays even when I was young when religion was popular, and i went to a "church of england" school'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught rolls his eyes in disgust at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'haveing been a government emplyee for more than 25 years - I get real chapped when I'm told that my small desk nativity might (might, mind you, not will) offend someone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'your personal experience doesn't equate with everyone's experience'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Religion has no place in school, except as a topic of discussion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah Vonliege, I get upset when people complain about my Playboy calendar at work'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends who is funding and providing the schooling, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but you know we all have problems with HR'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not where I live.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's your issue'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden it's not legal for schools to be religious.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well sweden is a renowned crackpot state'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, it's a secular state. For reals.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of the best primary schools in the UK are christian schools.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'when did Sweden hit crackpot status?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'decades ago, onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they always used to make good cars though'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meh, you have issues Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I like you, but more issues than a magazine rack'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they ban home schooling'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We never banned home schooling.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh, is that how we define crackpots these days?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we homeschooled in Germany'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Germany no longer allows homeschooling'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... it was against the law'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we home schooled in Germany from 2009-2011'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some people look up to Sweden, I personally find it's level of government control totally overbearing'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to me that makes it crackpot'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I can understand being uncomfortable, but the 'crackpot' label is kind of silly'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, crackpot is a subjective term just like silly or bad'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, we are learning from the US, unfortunately.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well sure, but I don't think you're a crackpot just because I disagree with you'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be entitled to'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I would be wrong :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well except when you reference Alex Jones... who IS a 24/7 crackpot'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as long as you could justify it, tyou wouldn't be :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'except I could only justify it in the circumstances I just mentioned, which aren't constant'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so at best you would be a "sometimes" crackpot'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'moving on...'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was the subject explored fully? what were the conclusions?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than Vakieh being a crackpot?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah I think that's fair'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ';-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'conclusion was that noone will ever difinitivly win that debate.. until the rapture'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh I think we've agreed on Vakieh'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'debate concluded there'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'the +5 penalty to magic, i figured, was the energy released from the eladrin wizard once he died. Adventurers would have the option not to kill him, and trust him after say, he opens a barred iron door for them. But is alignment is something in the lines of lawful evil. Anyway, the reason for the dispelling resonance is that, once he is bloodied, the enchantment is lifted from him (there's three monoliths in his room that must be destroyed too. Once destroyed, the corruptive influence over him ceases and he becomes his old chaotic good self) .. If chosen to kill him, his feywild spirit would utter a dying curse and persist in the quest zone, feeding off magic for sustainance until the curse of the blacksmith is lifted)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert slaps MagusTiberia.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'wrong channel'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'the +5 penalty to magic, i figured, was the energy released from the eladrin wizard once he died. Adventurers would have the option not to kill him, and trust him after say, he opens a barred iron door for them. But is alignment is something in the lines of lawful evil. Anyway, the reason for the dispelling resonance is that, once he is bloodied, the enchantment is lifted from him (there's three monoliths in his room that must be destroyed too. Once destroyed, the corruptive influence over him ceases and he becomes his old chaotic good self) .. If chosen to kill him, his feywild spirit would utter a dying curse and persist in the quest zone, feeding off magic for sustainance until the curse of the blacksmith is lifted)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '...'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still the wrong channel :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'really sorry about that'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes but were the monoliths truly influencing him towards evil, or was the wizard actually more responsible for his own shift in life perspective than previously believed?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'DEBATE!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'topic?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you only actually get every 3rd message, don't you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, supposedly working iaw, only glance at this every so often or when something interesting is going on'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well stop that'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or use -h'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you typo and see this instead'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'h10'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'it has a bewitching mind affect on him, per the fiend 'possess' ability. Though you have a good point. To some extent, possessing is somewhat consensual, whether by succumbing to the lure of power and promises thereof or simply giving up the struggle for your own mind'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah-hah!'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught claps at MagusTiberia's performance.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): MagusTiberia bows deeply.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Google Glass, already been hacked, users not allowed to resell or lend their Google Glass. What do you think of that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not dissimilar to Apple prevent you from giving your itunes downloads to family members'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, good luck with enforcing that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances it will be locked to a network'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much like phones are'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Only in the americas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which basically means just one more thing to be pointlessly criminalised for'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only in the americas'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Where else?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I thought the UK was part of the americas :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might seem that way, except we never had freedoms and don't have a constitution to fall back on'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You poor thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'waiting for the breakup of the USA so I can emigrate'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'don't hold your breath'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will be a similar timescale to being able to afford my own place'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Seems more likely for the UK to break up....'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK breaking up won't help, since no part of the UK has a liberty instinct, and every part of the UK is packed with people'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'not a single legitimate person is talking about breaking up the US...Last time we tried it was discussed for about half a century before being attempted'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well good, sort the country out instead then, either way would work'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was just going on the basis that the place is too far gone to be sorted out in it's current configuration'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't see that happening either, at least not in my lifetime.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah that's probably something you can count on. Ineptitude and failure in the US congress'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I'm moving to Mars soon as Google colonizes it'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you say "sort it out", are you asking us to commit assasinations?  need to be clear on that point'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, we're entering a crisis generation, expect change'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'anyone not crazy is welcome to join me'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'is there wifi on mars?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh.. duh'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'somehow doubt assasination would help, vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but the connection to Earth has an approx 13 min delay one-way however, so playing Aard will be... challenging'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '>bs golem;#wait 26:00;spiral'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll take Aard with us'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'sub-space communications easily solve that problem. What do you think Picard does in his ready room all day?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tipro, I'm trying to be serious here'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'there's a private company trying to settle Mars and is taking applications. Do...a google search'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but it's a one-way trip fyi'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and we all know he drank tea and played with his fish between breaks consisting of staring out his window with a contemplative, but restless look on his face'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subspace comms might only be a couple of decades away, what with work they're doing on entanglement'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'true, though from what I understand they can't make up their minds on whether it'll be possible to transmit viable information using QE'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'http://applicants.mars-one.com/'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use a teleporter using zen as an unexpressed axis.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That would be cool... but last time I checked, the theories didn't allow it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'bah, can't go, I already chose to spawn offspring and I'm stuck here for at least... 12 more years.. likely longer'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're waiting for you, onslaught, in the -test- chamber'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I passed all the tests already.. like a baws'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would definitely be up for a one way trip to mars, would be fun. As long as they bring some chicks, too :D'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'pfft... mars-one app site seems to be offline'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and/or the time delay is screwing with me'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't need chicks, just a few gigs of porn'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But I want to try zero gee sex....'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Zero gee masturbation is probably just messy...'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Last week we mentioned Mars One, the combination space mission/reality TV show project that aims to send four lucky space travelers to the Red Planet... forever'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh fuck that'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if this actually takes off (har har), I'm going to form an invasion force and burn those "reality TV" morons to the ground'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We should start on the moon, though. No point in going to mars before we know how to make people live on the moon.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm... living on Mars >>>>> easier than living on the Moon'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '>>>'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. But getting there is another thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they have plans on the drawing board for a 30-day flight ship'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '30 days to get to mars? Yeah, right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using what fuel/propulsion?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'fusion'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=54c56d86-5738-49e0-9029-67012cbac56d'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, a made-up technology'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They are going to power it by nukes?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'mars is the only known planet whose atmosphere is is the closest to earth's .. Much more likely to survive on mars than our moon'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'only if the Sun is "made up" I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might as well say you're going to use warp drive'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Mars atmosphere is not breathable, so it doesn't help us.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't be ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There is more oxygen on the moon than on mars iirc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fusion power is not available yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Ranrr there is such a vast difference between no vacuum Moon and some vacuum Mars'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is not even a demonstrable technology yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'would take hours'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tiger... I gave you a link dude'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the Apollo program wasn't a demonstrable technology either'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if we wanted to do it, we could'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but of course getting to Mars isn't exactly a war-time endeavor'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's balls, onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in theory, if fusion technology existed, it could be done, but it doesn't yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I recommend reading "Mankind beyond earth" by Claude Piantodisi. Especially if you think we have the technology today to go to mars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we already "do" fusion'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we just don't get more out of it than we put in yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we may HAVE fusion... but do we really DO fusion?  outside the lab, I mean?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither, vl'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have done fusion since the 40s. Just not very controlled.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's still decades off being used in rocket engines'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the atmosphere didn't ignite... interesting'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just ask the people of nagasaki.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's because we don't have a particular interest in getting it done Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? there's huge interest in getting it done'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reliable, clean, scalable energy source?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The EU is spending a shit load of money on fusion research.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a group of governments spending a considerable amount on it'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just EU, USA, China, Russia are all involved too, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously not spending enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can get that out of my kids... just meter their redbull® intake'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the money isn't the issue'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the politics'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that too'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i think its completion is just being delayed, or maybe its completed but not brought to light yet. Reason i say this, is the probability that its designers have some sense of conscious'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'plus counter-interests such as petroleum industries'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Imho, we should spend that money on fission research instead. Master that first.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're building a huge fusion plant in europe somewhere now, but it'll take years'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we should build thorium reactors all over the place, replace all fission with them... but there's no (as of yet) war-applicable use for thorium reactors'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fission is the reason why we have wars and millions dying of cancer'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so the technology sits stagnant'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wait.. fission/fusion - I think they've been missed up here'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and war is why we have never focused on anything else'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, that's because of politicians, not fission.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think it's the feminist'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they're hardly separable'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that (Overlord) Onslaught person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't be anti-gun and pro-fission, that's just hypocritical'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'borderline chewing your own leg off crazy'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am not against any technology. But I don't want my neighbor to have nukes, nor guns.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'look if you told the worlds' governments there is a novel element buried under the surface of Mars which would allow you to create a bomb that vaporizes a continent without damaging the rest of a planet's biosphere, you can be damn sure someone would get there really fucking fast with technologies you couldn't dream of'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but if you tell them all it does is replace the entire current world energy infrastructure, thereby debasing any and all current corporations and employees of said infrastructure, they'd probably nuke NASA'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just to keep them from thinking about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think there might be some followup questions, though...'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there always are'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But it is true that military reasons trump scientific. Just look at the moon landing, it was a military operation. Had it been scientific, it would have never gotten the funding needed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sad, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'The bottom line here is that motivations don't change because human nature hasn't changed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's why the IIS doesn't get a lot of media attention. It's just boring science.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that, OS, is a very simple truth'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'ISS'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well it's an incredibly complex truth'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'stated simply'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a recent poll, nearly 1 in 3 americans thought an armed rebellion might be necessary in the next few years to protect liberties'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Americans always think that'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's part of what makes them Americans'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting to see what form that might take'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most likely will be feds trying to do something and either a state, or a coalition of counties in a state saying "fuck you"'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'in related news 22% of Americans also believe the world will "end" in their lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a local election in the UK today'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Americans always think there is a national rebellion and/or global apocalypse "just around the corner"'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they were right once one just one of those predictions'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not very good track record'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the popo did a dog-sweep of a local school yesterday - sixth grader was seen by attending police supposedly slinging something into the bushes, and when everyone looked at the bushes, he shoved something in his mounth and swallowed it (video taped).  Child Services has to sign off on the court ordered drug test, but has declined. Siting "uncompelling evidence."  Judge could have overruled and ordered the test anyway, but has inticated that he will not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what the hell are your opinions about THAT?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will further offer that it was suspected of being pot, not cocain, or meth, or crack or such.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a breech of the 4th ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'looks like the US courts system is setting up the groundwork for a potential SCOTUS decision on the question "Does size matter?"'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.scribd.com/doc/139072525/Judge-s-Entertaining-Order-in-Strip-Club-Case'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a sad condition.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you live in Kansas, take a looky at this: http://blog.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/05/eric-holder-threatens-kansas-in-letter-on-gun-control-nullification-law/'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'David Lee Roth has been reduced to maintaining a YouTube video channel.... I guess he might still be getting some sweet royalties, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, I would love to go to a native american bbq in the navajo nation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'roast up a sheep.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and drinnk beer'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, deep fried bacon with a side of sausage white gravy dipping sauce.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'is it canned?'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'mmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'state fairs are great....'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm... Wonder why it's growing so quiet around here?
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Abelinc eats like a real man.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): A Magical Unicorn is now afraid of the dark. That's for sure. God, I feel powerful!
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a bacon donut with a chili cheese filling.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Abelinc roars at majestic creatures like a real jerk.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, deep fried peach.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You sob quietly to yourself because Queen Bee Noegel has hurt your feelings so badly.
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel comforts you. 
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Ooooh deep fried peach sounds lovely'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'deep fried <insert anything here>'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, with powdered sugar'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, it's the first mayor spell for mages.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only problem a mage has with backstab is that it takes as whole round.'
T3/r7/2013-05-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'No Waste-to-Energy sites have been built in the U.S. for the last 15 years.  There are also only 500 such facilities in the whole world, :('
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'building an energy infrastructure on converting waste just makes you rely on generating waste'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have one where I live. The bad thing about it is that we first pay to get rid of our garbage, then they use it to make heat, and we have to pay again for the heat. And they have a monopoly, so we have no cghoice.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like to run a business with monopoly, where I can charge both my suppliers and customers, too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the city of Spokane Washington has one also....they received a $60 million grant from the state, and a $100 million grant from the EPA.....the city charges for the trash pickup, the recycling, and get income from the power generation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They also sell the ash byproduct to mulchers to mix with dirt and help with the growing of crops.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's nice to (almost) not need a landfill. We either burn waste for district heating, or recycle it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and if they used the co2 produced to grow algae, and turned the algae into biodiesel, ethanol and feed for animals.....all would be good. :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Actually, they are looking into doing that... dunno how they are moving along, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If we used the algae to feed fish, then maybe grown fish would start tasting like fish again....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, k9's in washington state are being detrained to not detect marijuana...and new dogs are not being trained to detect marijuana.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'history'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'super failure'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Nice to hear the state k9s are doing that, rizgoth... now lets see the federales'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Garage that charges $90 for not fixing your car, only in the UK!'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would assume they charge in pounds in the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, but i don't expect americans to be able to do the necessary math'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i save them the hassle'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Probably wise.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Everybody knows how much a dollar is, but a lot of americans probably wouldn't know how much a pound, euro or yen is... is even what it is :D'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anti-europe UK Independance party came from nowhere to win 23% of the vote in yesterday's local elections'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They want the UK to leave europe, huh? Need a big tugboat for that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'When I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade Quebec was in the middle of one of their hissyfits about leaving Canada, when I heard about it I wondered how much dynamite it would take to seperate them from Canada, and more specifically, where would they go?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want to leave the EU, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quebec isn't an analogous situation'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ok, is it me, or is this a baaaad idea? >http://i.imgur.com/S0y67Hf.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, 8 year old fermented bean paste.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm a regular turkey sandwich'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, dead body soup.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a bum tried to break into a law firm by climbing down the chimney. He slipped, died, and wasn't found until weeks later'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, Obama blames US for gun violence in mexico'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no shit sherlock, your administration shipped them there'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'global warming is also America's fault'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'No, it's your fault.  Sorry :('
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'immigrants for guns act?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why are democrats trying to imply that background checks for guns would have stopped the Boston marathon?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'may they should require background checks for pressure cookers, '
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or maybe, just -maybe- they should STOP LETTING FUCKING TERRORISTS INTO THE COUNTRY TO LIVE'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also, the fall of the roman empire, the first of the two great plagues that swept Europe, the rise (and fall) of communisim, and care bears.... ALL America's fault'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't forget Justin Bieber'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why does anyone need to be "blamed" for JB?  he's AWSOME!'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'yep, Bieber is America's fault'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming is Al Gore's fault, he invented that particular fable for the benefit of his bank balance'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'JD is a GIFT from America too.... well... hes just a gift, OK?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but America is Europe's fault in the first place.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as for perpetuating global warming, if you want to insist in it's existance, go after the country that produces the most magic evil fairy gas (CO2)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is China'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'the persecution of the waldesians if i recall correctly'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'America is also to blame for civil unrest in Angola, 1,000 suqare foot mats of empty watter bottle floating in the atlantic, the near extinction of sea otters, sperm whales and kangaroos, the disruption of "who's the boss" tv show in Singapore, and for making the entire world fat on Big Macs®.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now... who DOESN'T want to launch a nuke at us?  we'll give you 56 Billion dollars in aid... if you DO want to nuke us, you only get 125 billion dollars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time to cut off foreign aid'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'close your bases abroad'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if we closed out bases abroad... wntire economies would FAIL'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then THEY'D wanna nuke us too'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'to be fair, we're just continuing 250 years of european history. all of europe should be nuked too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Europe... version 2.0'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Republican Carolyn Maloney is an idiot, first she claims background checks would have stopped the boston bombing, THEN she goes on to conflate North Korea with radical islam in Chechnya'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did she ever -go- to school?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a terrible advert for women in politics'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'although... the way emigration and birth rates are going.. it will be SWA version 2.0 before too long'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a terrible indictment for the republican party'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i'm sorry, she's a democrat'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a fucking surprise'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who else is fucking surprised by that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can't really top feinstien thining that gun magazines were purchased like batteries... full of bullets... then tossed'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, your buddy glenn beck is in houston for the annual NRA convention.....the largest in the nation, about 70,000 NRA members show up, and about 20,000 non NRA, who usually join up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sean hannity is there, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glenn beck can shove himself up his own arse, though he might disappear up there by himself if he's not careful'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and sarah palin is here :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least Sarah Palin makes me laugh'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not a good weekend to hold up a liquor store in Houston'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't take herself too seriously, and knows she's a dumb blonde'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... screw that glenn beck guy... he supports that dumb-ass piece of paper called the Constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you make of this? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/2/south-carolina-house-passes-bill-making-obamacare-/'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'states-rights... just sabre rattling, most like'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends how far they push it, kansas has an anti-anti-gun law law on the books that noddy holder is spitting chunks about, which is quite funny, because Noddy Holder has misunderstood the scope of the primacy act'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the states can push just as hard as they dang well please... wether they can actually move what their pusing against is another matter entorely'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'missing alot of vowels today'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'constenants too, for that matter'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'move? whether they have the balls not to back down is the key'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ultimately... especially with the obama administration, federal will just overrule state.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless of states rights'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not like any one state is going secede... well, except maybe alaska'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Alaska has been talking about that since January 4th, 1959'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'vonliege, that obama statement re: states' rights is pretty amusing considering the previous administration saw the biggest increase in the power of the federal government since FDR.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'site instances, please.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'patriot act.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at the time... pretty much everyone was on board with the patriot act... there was very little opposition'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'how does that make it less of a hit against states' rights?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was not "shoved" down the states' throats... they drank the koolaid willingly'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'still, it impeded against their power against the federal govenment to the same degree.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'your point is like saying that a person who accepts a collar willingly is less the slave than a person who is froced to don it. both are slaves.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes.  sure did... but it was a free choice.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'in point of fact, a slave of choice is probably more the slave.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... he is where he wants to be... he is doing what he chooses'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'obama is continuing Bush Jr's legacy, not defying it or expanding on it. :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'discussion was on obama care... that's not a bush legacy'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'isn't choosing to bow to someone's will more a defeat of will than defying it and failing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Isn't that distiction irrelevent to the topic?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'obama care? lol. that's small fries.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we've discussed less here'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i'd rather be forced to pay for medical care than be subject to anti-contitutional spying, or have the constitution torn to pieces for the sake of security.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'not to mention, every american is already basically forced to pay for automobile insurance, how is medical insurance that much worse?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how are the two mutually exclusive?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'which two?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not the auto/medical insurance.. the other thing you said'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'security/constitution and medical insurance aren't exactly comperable issues'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'having my personal communications with my family/friends spied on, every single one, is far more the infringement on my civil rights than being penalized (in the form of additional taxes) for not buying medical insurance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'sure they are.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'because both have to do with the federal government's ability to enforce policy without the approval of states.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose if you are simply weighing one travesty against another'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'yeah, i am.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'see my first post: '
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'security.. the alternative is more dead americans... I'm pretty sure I can keep me and my family from becoming one... as long as I have a means of defense, and am allowed to live where I do... but I'd still rather take off my shoes at the airport than give some jihadist the opportunity to get a shoe bomb on the plane'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'isn't the alternative to no healthcare also more dead americans?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'require everyone to wear paper socks, and ban shoes on the plane......'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how often does an American get turned away from an ER?  Children already have gauranteed health and treatment...'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the 9/11 folks, no shoe bombs... they had guns.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'are you pro-gun control?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, they had knives'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'box cutters'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pro-gun... minus the control'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'wow, i was off on that one.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'americans are pussies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're mixing incidents, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 9/11 evil doers had box cutters.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... and then there was the underware bomber and the shoe bomber'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I was replying to colors remark, not the underware bomber.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'americans are pussies because that's how washington wants us.  otherwise, the rest of the world would be too scared of us.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, only the sheep are pussies, the rest keep to themselves until the govt makes a stink about them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like waco or ruby ridge.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'colour - you're south africa, europe or asia?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'real men don't board planes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i'm american.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do YOU see yourself as a pussy?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the hugest pussy in the world... Shaq's dick makes echoes when it screams inside me.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you're OK with that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'hell yes. if we were bigger cowards we wouldn't be the most warlike nation in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you and I are on diametrically opposed planes of existance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'every single nation in the world other than the US and Isreal sees the US as the biggest threat to world peace.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'my plain of existence is more in keeping with the majority of humans' opinion. ie. it is mor democratic. ie. it is more american.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how do you feel about bullies in schools, Colours?  good, bad, indifferent?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i hide from them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'in the janitor's closet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when they find you and start pounding your nose in?  then what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'so they don't beat me up for wearing glasses.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'get to the point, vonliege :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when they bend you over the utility sink and start ass raping you?  what do you do?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and on the same token.....almost everyone of the young citizens of those countries wants to come to the US so that they can succeed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'america is the bully, though ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someone has to be the policeman of the planet.....who else will do it ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point is that the US is all that's standing between a lot of people, and international bullies... if the rest of the world woudl rather suffer the bullies - so be it'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'whoever has the most guns is the police. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the rest are just waiting for the next nazis to stick them in the oven.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'my point is that we already exsist in a state of anarchy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the WON'T... they CLAMOUR for help from the US... so we go to war - and there is no peace... but bullies die, and that counts'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the side with the biggest gangs makes the rules.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the US -isn't- the policemen, it's the biggest gang.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, kill off the evil doers, and there will be more peace.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if there were true anarchy, those without guns wouldn't have anything.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the US doesn't abide by internation treaties, it doesn't follow laws.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and who does?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'a policeman who doesn't follow the laws he/she is sworn to uphold, what is he/she?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is your opinion, go join the peace corp if you want to try the peace way in Africa or South America.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'vonliege, so no one follows international laws/treaties?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who DOES follow the law, Colour?  the Taliban?  Al quida?  Syria?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chances are as an American though, you will get kidnapped, so make sure you say you are a canadian, or a british citizen.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'if no one follows the laws... doesn't it follow that everyone is an anarchist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'or a criminal? ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'any international law that goes against the US constitution is rubbish, and will be discarded.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we here in America live under rule of law... we follow our laws (for the most part)... when another nation doesn't follow the law - who "arrests" them?  The US'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'fact: america detains adolescents in war prisons in defiance of the geneva convention.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the geneva convention only applies when both parties are adherents'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'what happens when America doesn't follow the laws?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'who arrests us?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Panama is a good, growing country now that the policeman of the world removed Noriega.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'who removed GW Bush from power when he started a war of aggresion against another soveriegn nation based upon false evidence in defiance of the internation community?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'be specific'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'who deposed him? removed him from power? where is his punishment?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what nation'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'Iraq, :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Iraq used chemical weapons on its own population (the kurds)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is easy to be about peace when you live in the US, or another western country that is peaceful because of our military.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most of the freed iraqi people are very grateful for their freedom]'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'do you know why/where Hussien got his power/money?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'bullshit, vonliege.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you been there?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've spent YEARS in iraq... Iraq people are grateful'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'Iraq is one of the worst palces on Earth now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'saddam would still be in power if he hadnt gone stupid and attacked kuwait....should have kept attacking Iran....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'were you there before we invaded?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hussein was a thug and a bully... and we killed him.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'Saddam would have never been in power wihtout US bacing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'do you guys know the story of iran in the 20th century?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and what the US did there?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'saddam was a suni - if not him, one just like him would have beenin power'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'iraq was our card to keeping iran in check....once iraq was gone....iran is having a field day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ehhh... we killed Saddam Hussein?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically.. the free pwople of iraq killed him'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but we caught his ass and give him to them'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'without a fair trial, one more point for anarchy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well hey let's not get caught up in technicalities and such'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even though iran is probably more stable compared to iraq.....we supported the wrong dog.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'iran is persia/shite... there's no leash big enough for them'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when there was a shaw... we had a chance'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We did screw up in the middle east, but it is pretty hard to contain all that bitterness in the first place....those tribes have been fighting for thousands of years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'Rizgoth, do you know what happened in Iran in 1951?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the aisian games?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the winter olympics ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'Iran deposed their monarch, and created a secular, democratic government.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'prime minister Ali Razmara'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'they nationalize their natural resources.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'Vonliege, then what? :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to go to Persia...er Iran, and check out their markets, once their economy is back up and running 100%'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then we got the shah'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'there was a Shah before 1951 as well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US friendly - cheap oil - win for the US'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'NO! the US loses.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cheap oil is bad.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the revolutionaries flee to the Mosques. They become radicalized.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: '20 years later they retake the country, overthrow the Shaw again.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'an this time they're fundamentalists.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as opposed to the radicalized muslims from centururies previous?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and now they hate us.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'okay, Vonliege, you love america, right? american values? the american revolution?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there have ALWAYS been radicalized muslims who hate someone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'always? ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... since muhamed, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'osama bin laden didnt always hate the US...we were allies in afghanistan....we abandoned him when he needed us the most, and he turned to the dark side...'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'wasn't the radicalization of the arabic/muslim states a reaction to christian aggression in the first place?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he was always dark... we just didn't need HIM anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or so it seemed at the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'let's get back on Iran.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hind sight... might have kept him happy'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'when the US revolted against the British king, did we nationalize the resources of our colonies?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wouldnt have cost much to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'or cede ownership of them to His Majesty?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and there were still commies all over the middle east to fight.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would say not... but I don't know for sure'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am sure there was SOME government grabs... critical industry, land for this or that... but not wide spread'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'we didn't, we claimed our manifest destiny... so how was is wrong of Iran to stage a popular revolution against their monarch and nationalize their resources in 1951?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we wanted their cheap oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'why would America support a monarch, instead of a seclar democratic government?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it wasn't... but in 1953, we went with the british and deposed him'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we must have had a reason'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'a good reasn?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we didn't do it for kicks'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'a democratic reason?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'there was a reason, i'll give you that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did the reason serve the interest of the US and Briton?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'it will take a while to type it... if you want me to, i will.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'bigger than the US and the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oil intersts'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it has to be oil'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'sort of oil interests,'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oil is all they have that is of any use to us'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'it actually goes back to the spice trade, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well.. that and isreal's securuty'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sffron?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so how come a soviet bloc country like Kazakhstan can build nuclear power plants to provide power, and export uranium to countries, but we wont let Iran do it ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'nutmeg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in 1953, we deposed a democratically elected world leader for nutmeg?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'yes, vonliege ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'source'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am very sceptical'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'couldnt we buy the nutmeg from someone else ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'here'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'http://www.amazon.com/Nathaniels-Nutmeg-Incredible-Adventures-Changed/dp/0140292608'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i can type it out, shorter than the book, but unless you'll listen i won't.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, lets take over iran so that our eggnog tastes better ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'nutmeg also bures the plague though, according to the doctors at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'imagine you've got the fucking plague.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who had the plague in the 1950s ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and some asshole tells you nutmeg will cure it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i think i said it went back to the 1650's....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'from the synopsis of that book, it covers more up till the 1700s... doesn't look like it goes into modern history'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil and gas, or uranium I can believe....but not nutmeg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'sigh....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back in the day... sure.. nutmeg might have been reason enough... but in 1953?  I'm still sceptical'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'spice trade was the root of modern international corperate philosphy regarding trade.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the 1950s, we were in the cold war, and sources of uranium would have been more important then nutmeg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'corporate, sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i have to pee, bbiab.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you are saying that the overthrow of iran in 1953 was for reaons that are LIKE that of nutmeg... but not ACTUALLY for nutmeg'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but with that argument, you could basically say it was like how the Romans attacked everyone to bring stability to the world and keep the resources flowing to Rome.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the UK/US is the modern Rome'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'expand or perish'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have to go vacuum seal some meat... and make supper.... BBL'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'okay, back...'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i will tell you a story.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'it will be long, and i will type and not reply to questions so save them for THE END.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'this is a story about muskets, and boats, and men with dreams.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'long ago, a portion of the world, through political alliance, stability, and crop rotation gained a tehnological advantage over the rest of the world. this portion of the world was known as western europe.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'it's people spread over all of man's dominion through the power of trade.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'they invented the concept of commerce, in which the value of all things could be reduced to a standard measure, and because of the techological advantage provided to them by their muskets they gained the power to enforce their currencies upon the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the nations of western europe spread across the globe in search of resources to feed their public, and the eternal lust for more commerce. they purchased grains, and spices, and metals from nations who had never learned of their values from across the globe in exchange for a pittance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and when they returned home, their profits were enourmous.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'they formed co-operative businesses among them, known as corporations. these business ventures had governmetn backings, from the very monarchs who rules their nations.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'these corporations had exclusive rights, granted by the crown to trade (and kill) upon the right of the crown.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dutch east india company ftw.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'YES RIZGOTH, the nutmeg book is about that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and their competition with the British East India Company.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'they were fighting over nutmeg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'because it could cure the motherfucking PLAUGE. (not really, but they thought so.)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gordon gecko loved the tulup mania.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tulip even'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and european businesses, not even governments, spread across the world and slaughtered.... just totally slaughtered, entire populations.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the first corporations made the Nazis look like girl scouts.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'when did debate channel become history channel?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'past history provides an explanation for currect events and behaviours, that's when.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'also, this story ends with modern day iran, so....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so you're supporting an argument by providing a history lesson?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'fuck it. i give up. onslaught wins.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'saffron is still the most expensive spice in the world....about $2400 a lb.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wins what? I'm just asking questions'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'answer: yes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i am supporting an argument by providing historical evidence for that argument.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if you think it will help your argument to provide a history lesson, by all means go for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love history, go eat a twinkie ons.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i give up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry to interrupt :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i'm done.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no no no'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you were doing good'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'keep going, I wanna see what happens next!'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i said i was done when i said THE END.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no, come back and be patronized some more'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well shit... we're all stuck in the 17th century now!?!?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'i already said you're right, onslaught.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'so stop.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'right about WHAT!?!?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seriously I didn't have a bone here'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that you need to go eat a damn twinkie.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the modern world has nothing to do with what created it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm just trying to figure out what's going on'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'and there are no lessons to be learned from the past.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'we should all just keep killing each other, death is evoltion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sincerely I apologize for breaking your uhh.. whatever I broke dude'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'you broke nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'you're the one who lost out, bro.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is the worlds largest arms dealer again.....China is 2nd, and Germany is 3rd.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the wheel keeps turning, we rarely learn from the past cause we have terrible attention spans.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fermented pork......no thanks.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a restaurant in Thailand called Cabbages and Condoms....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with every meal, you get a free condom.....the restaurant got a grant of $1 million to give away more condoms.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the $1 million grant came from the bill and melinda gates foundation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where does the $$ come from?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fine with that... spend it how they want, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'comes from bill gates's monopoly and government cronyism fund'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, as a whole, bangkok has a higher STD rate compared to any other city.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hence the condom program to get them to use more of them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it isnt a monopoly if no one has to buy it....:p  Go start up your own os for pcs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not from Microsoft'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talking about his portfolio interests in biotech and pharmaceutical companies'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'many have tried, but people prefer winos'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how so ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how so what'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'his donations to getting rid of malaria ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's also on the board of Montsanto'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like Monsanto...good company.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was Hitler an underachiever, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one is forcing farmers to use roundup ready crops :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uhh, actually they are'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, there are lots of farmers who dont use them, they are called heirloom crops.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where aid is given to third world countries in terms of agricultural aid, it is mandated they use montsanto seeds and are tied into montsanto IP'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'heirloom crop production is growing pretty fast'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'organic wheat flour, corn meal, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if I was giving aid to countries, I would send the cheapest easiest to grow crops also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd be a lot less concerned about them if they didn't have so much obvious power in the damn government'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what about Cargill?  They are just as large as Monsanto.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you're not going to get an kudos from me until they start testing their products properly, and compensate every farmer who they have entrapped in a dodgy IP contract, or spurious lawsuit, when they stop lobbying government and remove from statute all the protections they paid to get in'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not interested in Cargill'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and also they need to compensate all bee owners for destroying the population'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have bees all over my yard'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wild bees are fine, it is the high stress bee industry that is having problems'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they move their bees all over the country, causing stress on them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abstracted: 'luck doesn't randomly modify the gains?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Abstracted: 'xchan'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good news! wildfire in california expected to gain strength as wind, heat ramp up'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'how exactly is that good news?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully it'll burn some fake liberals out'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wtf is a "fake" liberal?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and how is ANYONE being burned out ever good?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well it could be good if you already planned to burn your hours down anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my hours?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh.. house'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not sure why my hands typed "hours"'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a fake liberal is someone, usually a democrat voter, who claims to be liberal, but who, other than being pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, is anti-just-about-everything including anti-gun, anti-liberty, and anti-free speech'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's ok, i don't have one'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tiger, and therefore you want their lives destroyed?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't want it, but i'd not shed a tear'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, they're quite happy to ruin -my- life'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but how can you think it's good news that it's about to happen?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said it's about to happen?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'doesn't that follow in the wake of a wildfires that run out of control in habited areas?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can do, though nobody said it was out of control, nor did i say it was in a deeply habited area'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not to mention the lives that might be lost amongst those who try to control it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well those people i feel for'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Monsanto: Food For A Better World.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'food for a mostly dead world'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get whinged at for being unconcerned that a bunch of retarded liberals getting burned out, yet others on here advocating mass genocide and eugenics.... not a bad word to be said'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess apocalpyse would be no descriminatory'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'non*'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, I'm not constantly reading debate channel'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but if they get burned out, they might move to the UK and live with you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the street? sure'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people need to eat more soup......with vegetables, and SPICES'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you've dreamt up a different solution to the problems in our respective countries other than apocalypse or burning them out?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let them eat soup ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and bread, and cheese.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will that solve it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure will....will be less constipated.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let them buy soup with foodstamps, if they have any left over from the kfc and booze'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone deserves a good ramen soup with vegetables, bread and cheese.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kfc doesnt accept food stamps.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have tried :('
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everywhere accepts foodstamps, it's called a black market'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could buy guns with foodstamps'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or drugs'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, foodstamps come on a debit card now'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there will still inevitably be a means of defrauding the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's on a debit card just means needs the involvement of a store'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'this is true. I know a couple of local gun stores here in Texas that'll take those foodstamp debit cards'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'really, send me the name of them, I would love to use my foodstamp card to buy some ammo.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't contribute to abuse of the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so no'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which means you are full of shit. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riz getting foodstamps at all is an abuse of the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'right.. because I won't give you an address so you can do something illegal, I am full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'makes perfect sense'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it does.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mainly because I dont believe it is possible, because you cant buy nonfood items with food stamp money.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he gives you the name, you'll dob them in, which means HE can't get ammo with his foodstamps anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and a ship isnt going to 'trade' ammo for a card, the card gets recharged every month, so the person giving it up would be a moron.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shop even.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's all about how you code the transaction'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can buy frozen pizza with a card, but not a carton of cigarettes'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's stopping the shop claiming it was frozen pizza when it was actually cigarettes?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but if you "buy" a frozen pizza for the price of a carton of cigs'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'see?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I suppose you could buy a shitload of snickers bars with your foodstamps and sell em on the street to kids for 50 cents.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you want to actually spend the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the food program will send anyone at least $200.00 per month'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, new arrested development episodes soon.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that show's still on?'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, was cancelled, then bought by Netflix, which is bringing it back after millions of fans wanted it back.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'MSN is thinking about doing something similar with Heroes'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'let me know if anyone says 'Firefly' '
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would love to see Jericho come back.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want to see the Republic of Texas kick the shit out of Colorado.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or was it Wyoming.....cheyenne wyoming.....thats right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you's just shut up... I'm going to knock out a CP without being distracted by this stupid debate channel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Gee, lets tear down a perfectly good elementary school that cost upwards of $10 million to build.  They will probably sell it to someone for $250k, and the taxpayers will be suckered once again.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Eh, depends on the ROI on its stretch as a viable school. Schools aren't made to be profitable financially, so you have to compare the benefit of all of the students educated in it vs. the $10 million investment to build it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Really, getting the $250k back at all is icing on the "We didn't build this to make a profit" cake.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not referring to a profit, just a knee jerk reaction to a fatal shooting at a school.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well, you're referring to the loss of financial investment by destroying it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is still a waste of $10 million to tear it down, and then spend even more money building a new one just because of a shooting.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'How old was the school?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The worth of a building is not defined by the cost to build it, it is defined by how much someone is willing to pay for it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would you tear down a building because someone was shot in it? Makes no sense, what so ever.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well there is some sense in it'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Would be better to do something about the actual problem behind the shooting.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If it's an older school tearing it down and building a new one might be cheaper than retrofitting an old one to meet new needs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'psychological trauma isn't exactly something you can just shake off'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. But that's a totally different problem.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, looks like the school board voted to demolish the school and build a new one to replace it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the school was a little over 10 years old.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ok, yeah, see, now that's a bit of a waste. While the trauma for the witnesses to the shooting is something that needs to be accounted for, there must have been a better way. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rebuilding the school will cost about $60 million.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we're a superstitious people :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The school board decided that since they are tearing it down anyways, they might as well build a new one 2x as big.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sounds like they're expected increased enrollment for some reason.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'er... expecting.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Or your school board is loaded and doesn't know what to do with their budget.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the newtown school board, deciding the fate of the sandy hook elementary.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ohhh, yeah, okay, Sandy Hook? I can see why in that case, to be honest.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and just found the govt info for it...it was built in 1956, so replacing it would be a good idea then.....stupid news site said a little over 10 years....perhaps they renovated it 10 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's a black spot on your town's history you want to move past ASAP.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that had to be the best 180 I've seen in a while :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '57 years is pretty old for a school, regardless of where it is :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, co2 concentrations in the atmosphere will reach 400 ppm this month.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yay!'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '60 million years ago or so, it was around 1400 ppm.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The spring is late this year, so therefore global warming must be a lie. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, no mammals.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If we burn all fossile fuels, we should be able to get back to that level, and get rid of all those pesky mammals on earth.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt it would make that much of a difference.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'ranrr, you realize people are mammals, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes. Forgot to raise the irony sign.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there would perhaps be less natural ice though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'See, my theory is that since fossil fuels are derived from fossils... i.e, dinosaurs, we're really releasing angry dinosaur spirits into the air. They're causing global warming to return the world to the state it was in when they were alive.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Global warming is a lie, it's really a Dinosaur voodoo hex >:('
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most fossil fuels come from plants and life forms in shallow oceans, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Look. Dude. Are you really going to reply to that seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert slaps Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I reply to everything, take a chill pill. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I. WILL. NOT. TAKE. A. CHILL. PILL.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'evil dinosaurs!'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Thank you. That's more like it!'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'ANGRY DINSOAUR GHOSTS FTW!'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to live long enough to see my house here in Houston underwater from the ocean rising.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You won't. '
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'the world would be so much better if houston was gone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'd love to live long enough to see the Statue of Liberty crack, just so I can look inside and say, "Hey, I'm looking up her skirt!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I mean shit, if you're going to live for millions of years, you might as well get a peepshow out of it, amirite!?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blame the monkeys.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ohhh. I totally should! You guys will be dead, but I mean, trust me, die knowing that's gonna happen.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's nice to be old enough to not really have to worry about the environment, anything we do will not have a huge effect over the next 30 years, and then I will die.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, screw the environment!'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah, but what if Gaia theory is correct and you spend eternity floating inside a dying bloated rock? Then what mr. smarty pants.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't waste my time with unproven theories. Except string theory.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'TBH, I know a lot of EEs, never heard of anyone of them doing a PhD, or even thinking about it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Everything's an unproven theory, even the laws of physics. We base our absolutes on what we know of the universe, which, at the end of the day, is very little. If any of our current held beliefs are ever proven wrong, the game changes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. But I don't waste time with theories that require faith.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Again, all theories require faith, faith that what we're basing that proof on isn't contradicted by something else we haven't seen/found yet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The laws of physics begin to break down at a deep enough sub atomic level, and we haven't reached the bottom yet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, how would you differentiate a scientific theory that fits observation, from something like religion?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, that science at least has something to go on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the sea level is rising faster than the north american continental plate is rising.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, I use the word faith to describe stuff like religion. Like a lot of others so. Stuff that requires you to believe things without any proof for it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Eh, faith can easily be applied to a non-religious context as well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, hence the word "like", instead of only.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'Science vs. Religion again?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not really'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, definition of the word "faith".'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '3.5 million years ago the co2 concentration was around 400 ppm also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '4.6 billion years ago, the earth was a ball of lava. (ish)'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the 18th century, the co2 levels was around 280 ppm'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'but the earth is only 4.54bn years old Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hence the (ish).'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fravardin nods at Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder how much co2 would be trapped in the soil if we kept our grazing lands in a healthy state.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obviously you can keep the co2 levels down and have millions of food animals like we do now, there were over 50 million bison in the great plains over 300 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not counting the millions of caribou in canada and alaska, etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the soil in grazing lands was much more healthy compared to today.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'To mark the crossing of 400 ppm, Scripps Institution of Oceanography launched a website and Twitter feed to provide daily readings from Mauna Loa. As of this writing, it stands at 399.29'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'are humens geting dumber? '
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'obviously'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is mean.
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'what do you think of the homo sapiens'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'That's a human'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Third World" is an outdated term'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have one word to those morons in california who will lose their homes to the fires......CONCRETE!'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is interesting how mice smell much worse than rats.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lab mice or feed mice?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never smelled lab mice before, so feed mice I guess....the ones you can buy at a pet shop.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fancy rats are cool.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'are feed mice the ones you feed to snakes?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'they smell ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'their piss smells really bad compared to rats.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'must be their extremely high metabolism.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This tv show is so stupid that it is kinda good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Which one?'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Arrested Development.'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I have never watched it'
T3/r7/2013-05-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all 3 seasons are on netflix, and new episodes start on the 23rd.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sooo... Hemlock Grove: worth watching?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"natural law", or "civil law"  Which is it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, found my car coolant leak, shame the garage couldn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now we have illegal military action being taken by Israel, when is the UN to going to condemn it and impose sanctions?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with Israel pulling shit like that, it's easy to see why people like the Iranian president want Israel removed from the map'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, rat meat mutton....fresh from China.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US mint is going to produce %5 less $1 bills this year to promote the use of $1 coins.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CNN achor had her phone stolen in downtown Atlanta while she was talking on it. Had she had a gun, she could have blown the motherfucker away'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'presumably the crook was pointing a gun at her.  Compounded by the fact that she was distracted by actually using the device, she probably wouldn't have been ready to pull the trigger in such a way that she herself didn't get first blown away.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Use your computer to track down the phone via its gps chip, and blow the guy away.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, hans'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just youths grabbed it out of her hand and ran'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, she'd still be distracted.  People will actually walk straight into canals and shit while talking/texting on a cellphone, and they aren't likely to be in a ready stance (ie, the gun is put away, there's something else in their other hand, etc).  By the time she got the gun out and tried to point it at the youths, they'd have gotten far enough away to seek cover.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and what if it's a busy place like the streets of NY where just about everyone walks?  She's not very likely to just start shooting into a crowd.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not to mention shooting someone for taking your cell phone is a bit heavy handed. That's a "beat their ass a bit" offense, not a "gun them down like dogs" kinda thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'd be George Zimmerman all over again, heh.  The poor youth not only was running away but he only had a cellphone in his hand.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nah, at least these guys actually did something besides being black and wearing a hoodie. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think so at all, cuthbert, someone ruffs me up and nicks my shit, i'm going to take them down'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most people don't think like you, or at least react like you think you'd react (I'm assuming you've never been in such a situation before).'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Me or Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not been mugged, no, were i to live somewhere where it were common, i'd go armed'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: ''cause I mean, I've been jumped twice in my life and while I'd love to have seen the guys get their asses beat, I definitely wouldn't have condoned killing them for it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting 'most people' have been given victim training, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does victim training include whipping out a gun to shoot the perps, or failing that to take off after them hoping to overtake them and maybe get their stuff back?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither option is what your earlier comments implies'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so no, victim training involves being robbed, doing nothing, and imagining that the police can somehow stop it'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Kansas has stuck two fingers up at Noddy Holder and said "bring it!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'huh, in states that have a sales tax, even if your online out-of-state retailer doesn't apply it you're supposed to pay it when you file your state return.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though new laws being considered by the administration would force etailers to collect state tax on behalf of the buying person's state'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt9kRLrmrjc&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CNN still doesn't know that the Feds can tap into anyone's voicemail and/or emails?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well there's a difference between "can tap into" and "record everything at all times"'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well no, that's no a difference at all, since they can do both'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and do record everythign at all time'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they -have- to, else they can't go back and reference it'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'CNN is surprised that everything is always recorded'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that IS different from the ability to do it or the ability to tap someone's phone going forward'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"tapping into" is what they can do legally with a warrant in order to present it in court as evidence'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recording everything is what they now do as a matter of course (extra judicially)'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and that is what CNN is surprised about'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they tried setting up the same thing here in the UK, but have been blocked so far'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'as far as you know anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are they surprised?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that (Overlord) Onslaught person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather, why is their presenter surprised?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'because it's extra-judicial, as you said, and it's rare to have someone actually admit to it'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'of course the guy isn't in the FBI now'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but still, fairly high level admission'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'naivity, you mean'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well whether the host is naive or not, the presentation is directed to the audience'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had it been anyone else except him saying it, they'd have been calling it a tinfoil hat conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well a guy who ran AT&T once mentioned they'd set up their networks so the NSA can have full access'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and other people in various positions (who would know) have hinted at it as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'modern version of echelon and such'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, and i've heard the same thing from other sources, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm not surprised'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I'm sure some people would be'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some wonderfully asleep people out there'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people have more immediate concerns'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Scientists have found in a new study that Facebook causes psychotic episodes and delusions'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no surprise to some of u'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't have a FB account and never will'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Same here'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're both potential terrorists, according to the FBI'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught nods.
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and should be barred from gun ownership'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Shit nuggets I must be a mole then'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because you should WANT to spew your entire life over the internet to the public, where corporations can leaf through it for profit purposes, and where the feds can nose through it for possible dissent'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not a mole, noegel, you're just a racist'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'employers will not hire you because of what's on your FB page, but if you don't have a FB page they won't hire you because that's suspicious'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Racist against my own people :'('
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'go us'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you're not racist against your own people, you're just racist for not having FB'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Oh ok, that's cool then'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently jew burning is fine, though'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'im a teacher with some foul mouthed friends. i can't use facebook.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're missing nothing, hwuaij'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and as a result, you're a potential terrorist, but look on a bright side, reduces your chance of developing psychosis.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what if you're alwasy psychotic? will having FB cancel that out?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'SO, if a terrorist with psychosis opened a Facebook, what would happen?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you can have your rights removed on two accounts, onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the jews buried the dinosaur bones in the earth to confuse people....there were no dinosaurs!'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I thought they taught that in school now, Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a terrorist with psychosis opened facebook, they'd realise they're on the payroll of the CIA, noegel'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel laughs out loud at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I wonder if aard channel communications are being captured by the NSA too'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if not, this would be a great terrorist meeting platform'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Abelinc is a member of the CIA'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're being captured by me :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'He logs all channels'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably being scraped by them, not like it's encrypted or anything'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well in tells then'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and turned over to the authorities regularly'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Abe Lincoln, CIA Agent... sounds like a terrible hollywood movie coming out soon'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we grew 1800 pot plants in a rental last year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plain telnet, a wireshark anywhere between source and destination will do'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brought to you by the makers of other shit movies with political agendas....'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You fall to the floor laughing at Rizgoth's remark.
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Defence Distributed are about to release plans of a fully 3d-printed plastic gun. Only metal components needed are a firing bin and small chunk of metal to make it comply with undetectable firearms laws. Has prompted certain parts of the adminstration to argue for a ban on plastic firearms.....  they probably haven't realised that BULLETS cannot be 3d printed'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not yet anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're working on that, actually'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'as if you could ban 3d printed anything'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'meh, some dude made a printed gun a year ago'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find it all a bit hilarious, what are they expecting to happen?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I printed a donkey last week.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'DD is doing it mass-production style, however.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well people who can print plastic guns from a file on the net can use them to get past metal detectors, etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no benefit to doing it mass-production style...it's an inefficient process for an inferior product...the point of 3d printing is the opensourceness and anywhereness of it, not a manufacturing technique'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they cannot'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they cannot?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not without removing the metal parts first, or taking them seperately'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and still leaves them without ammo'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course they can't...no more than Glocks get through security'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'do you actually doubt they'll figure out how to make printed bullets?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'would be interesting to see how one printed with the metal pieces shows up on a scanner, vs a real gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm sure the scanners have more than enough ability to see through bags.  The obvious schape would trigger a search.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy who 3d printed a gun, did a 3rd version that fired over 1800 times before it cracked.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm not talking about just airports'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that would be the least likely place someone would try to smuggle one in'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they find a way of making plastic bullets, then chances are no amount of security will help someone intent on taking them on board'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'OBJECTION. Opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are also odor-sniffers and such, in some markets.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you can make a bullet out of ice, you can make one out of plastic.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is just how you design the gun that matters.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'out of a list of things to be worried about? Plastic guns shouldn't even make the list'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'being able to make one out of ice is a fallacy, really...'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah I'm not worried about it, and I don't think you can/should ban them either, but I do see why it's a security concern'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can stuff a hunk of ice into the top of a shell moments before firing...that's not the same as carrying around ice shells'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ice ends up not surviving the firing explosion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, a ceramic gun that shoots nitrogen cooled bullets, that kill and melt, leaving no evidence in the body. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Banning them is pointless. Just means the people who were going to use them illegall will make them illegally as well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, pointless banning them'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'meat bullets are better than ice bullets.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and shotgun shells have been mostly-plastic for ages, as well as pistol shells with those plastic bubble caps'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'or rather, use them for illegal purposes would make them illegally'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is like saying it's pointless to make murder illegal since people intent on murder will do it anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the shots in shotgun shells are not plastic'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Abe.... The shell is mostly plastic yeah - but the payload, more analagous to a bullet, certainly isn't.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no need for it to be metal, daloran'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No need, but they are not mostly plastic '
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's for conventional reasons, not technological ones'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would doubt plastic would be sufficiently dense to make good shotgun shot'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't have to be a good one'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'necessary limitations placed on the design by physics of motion'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I'm aware, abe. Theres any number of payloads used in shotgun shells, including small grenade'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'small grenades, rather'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in good news, there was a sizeable swing to the United Kingdom Independence Party in local elections, sending them from nowhere to 2nd place with 25% of the vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love sandbag shotgun shells.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar thing seen across Europe where people are losing all faith in establishment parties'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA is still missing it's 3rd party surge, i guess you guys have bigger paying lobbyists, and a more deeply brainwashed populace to contend with'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we need to make government staff legally and financially responsible in cases where they're being sued individually for misdeeds'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consequently, law enforcement should be barred from bringing civil damages suits against citizens and companies except where criminal negligence has been proven'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a recent episode at a town near me, where a female cop "tripped over a curb" while responding to an break-in call, and is now suing the garage owner for $75,000'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Sounds like the female cop needs to grow a pair'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'hitler or bush jr'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'haha... for what? target practice?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'no the better leader lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Hitler was an amazing leader, Edicius. '
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Saying nothing for what he actually lead people to do'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'But when he lead, people certainly followed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'who do you think contributed more?'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'hmm. Hard to say.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'Well, one pretty much ended calling boys "Adolph"... that's gotta be worth something.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol i think hitler contributed more to the world'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'my dog is named adolph'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'without hitler and the nazi party we would still be in the stone age for mental disorders and genetics'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is agreeing with that Edicius person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'thank you bee'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lots of medical research completed when you don't have to worry about pesky ethics!'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wouldn't even be in space, for that matter.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'exactly and i think the brits and the US knew what was going on over there more then they let on'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'it was kinda the perfect scape goat for human testing'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'before or after the wartime dramas?  I doubt we engineered a botched takeover or secretly encouraged his efforts to do what we wouldn't (and later betraying him), but taking over his shit and continuing his work wouldn't surprise me.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i think they funded alot of things for hitler and his SS '
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Perhaps they did, Edicius, but Japan really fucked Hitler up by bombing Pearl harbor.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'didnt that happen after hitler "died"'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hitler died in 44 or 45.  Pearl Harbor happened in 41.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'He died in 45'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'alrite'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and Hitler fucked himself up I'd say. He had Germany declare war on US after Japans attack on Pearl Harbour. Not a very smart move.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'not to mention his overconfident invasion of russialand'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'A front divided in three army groups was not a good idea, no.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'none of his generals dared voice their disapproval though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'war with the US was a foregone conclusion once Pearl Harbor happened.  Hitler would've done a lot better to ignore/back off/assuage russia and focused on the west.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'for which I think we should be very thankful'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even if Germany ended up taking over the rest of Europe and deeply bloodying the US, I think Russia would've been okay with it if Germany simply kept their distance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'yea true enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'perhaps, but Hitler being Hitler couldn't leave russia be. He hated communism and always distrusted russians. He also wanted the minerals and oil that was over there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'if they got along things would have been fucked beyond repair'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How does nature create perfectly hexagonal stone spires, hundreds of them in one location ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean like in deserts?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'something to do with the crystaline structure of carbon?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, like the stone causeway in northern ireland'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perfectly sculptured hexagonal stone seems so unnatural.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, a sculptured hexagonal stone IS unnatural ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even when nature does it ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'depends on if it was done by man or aliens...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nature doesn't sculpt or chisel'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with water it can.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'define sculpt'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'by definition it's unnatural'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still find it interesting though, how so many of them can be in one place, and all hexagonal shapes made of stone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'To form with the chisel on, in, or from, wood, stone, or metal; to carve; to engrave.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so have you heard of water-carved trenches?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in a hexigon? no.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hexagon*'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'put aside the hexagon thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'I'm telling you... It's chemistry.  It's the way crystals form.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the statement was not aside from the hexagon thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'put aside the hexagon thing for now'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they all forms the exact same way?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'formed that is'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'nah... depends what it's made out of.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dalcoun: 'and which temperature/pressure, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are hundreds if not thousands of them there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about 40,000 interlocking basalt columns in the shape of a hexagon.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sooo..'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, those snooty brits wont let you take photos of the crown jewels.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Riz.. would you let some random foreigner take pictures of YOUR crown jewels?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my dog just loves psy....she goes crazy running around whenever she hears his music.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it looks good, eat it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh man....17 lbs of various fish....$15 at a seaport in Morroco.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er Morocco'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the nursing field, Men have an average anual salary of $60,000.  Women average $51,000.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Too much unspoken there - Can't speak to how aggressive women are for pushing for higher entry salary + raises.  So the discussion is moot.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'is this for fulltime work of both parties? '
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'full time, far as I know...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's the real issue....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Still, doesn't matter.  You have nothing that speaks to how aggressive women are vs men in asking for more money on entry + upon raises.  It's a major factor in these discussion and everyone sidesteps it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Do men and women deserve to make the same pay for the same work - you bet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Xaeris touched on it... '
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'we live in a world where people are hyper competitive and refuse to disclose salaries.  This means a lot of undercutting of people in roles to save money as a company.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously men work harder than women'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the case of nursing, the disparity is almost all obsorbed by the fact that male nurces tend to be in more highly specialised fields than females'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'one side of the issue will attempt to convince you that employers just chose not to pay women as much, or promote them as often... the other side will try to convince you that there are differences dictated by human nature that lead to differetn outcomes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, in some sense it IS social -- we socialize women to be 'nice girls' and 'get along' and socialize men to 'push harder' and 'be number 1''
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'lol. Can you spit gum on an american pavement without being told you're a (add generalization)?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that would be a "social" factor, as opposed to a "natural" factor'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: '@Majic - Agreed.  I think the point I had made, is also the biggest thing that causes salary disparity with that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods xaeris, but also that women are far more likely to take part-time work for a few years to have/raise children, which really derails a career'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'especially in something which requires currency in the field such as STEM research, for example'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Xaeris and Majic... please clarify - are you saying that men just get more because they are men, or because they are expected to push harder to be number 1, and moreoften BECOME number1?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't word that quite right'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Von, I'm also saying that a man who's doing twice the work of anyone else is more likely to ask for a raise.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and the other thing I'm saying is that everything is too stinking interconnected to really point at one thing and say 'aha! here's the key!''
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that's a debate closer'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'moving on'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'do you think ghosts wear clothes?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I would if I were a ghost.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'ghost clothes? Where would you buy them?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'd probably just go get my stuff I have now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'But they aren't ethereal pants!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'must they be?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'ghosts, or according to some accounts by stephen wagner's fanbase, including some of the images he shows, shows ghosts wear clothes. Cross referencing a few 'witness' cases, its apparent to me that ghosts would wear whatever was sentimental to them in life or what they wore right before they died'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would wear my favorite pair of boo-jeans'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel turns beet red, and hides her face in her palm.
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'do you intend on scaring mortals?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what else can you do as a ghost?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'its a form of suspended animation'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what can a zombie do?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'so what your saying is that we would see their clothes and not the ghosts , because the clothes are made of physical material... Or are you saying that ghosts can transform physical metarial into to metaphysical material?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'ghosts would be stuck in a space of reoccuring amnesia. Go through a house at night, believe themselves to be still alive, ignore everyone and do their business. Before dawn, they'd disperse, only to return the next night, repeating the same actions'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'no no , i dont want to scare the mortals. Im just questioning the existance of ghosts'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i think its people who've died, but couldn't come to terms with death / bluffed their minds into believing they aren't dead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'great! Gtg , my teacher just came into the class. Bye people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what i'm saying, avieta, is that ghosts are as real as light projections. Their clothing would exist out of the very same matter as they are. Some call them ethereal, other recon they're made out of ectoplasm.. '
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'ever seen a ghost in rl?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'ghosts sometimes linger around places where they died and sometimes they'd be aware of you and give very cryptic clues of how they died'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'other topic?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's one that might get some emotions up....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"special needs children (autistic, asperbers, etc...) do not belong in the mainstream classroom."'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'sad but true'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at some point, society has placed "inclusiveness" and "esteem" ahead of "achievement" and "acedemics"'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well the real problem is feasibility. Kids with Aspergers I'd argue do belong in a mainstream classroom. I've taught several kids with it and typically their achievement isn't below the others, just their social skills.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Other disabilities can require extensive assistance to achieve success however, and it's unfair to both teachers and other students to expect the teacher to dedicate all of their time and resources to 1 out of 25 kids.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as their social shortcomings can be controled with discipline (prefered) or meds, I'd go with that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It generally doesn't even require medication, they just have no grasp of social propriety. They're awkward, not malicious.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In terms of academics the kids I've worked with have been near the top of the class consistently.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think you have to be "malicious" to completly up-end a classroom. mental capacity is, however, not really an issue for aspergers'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But it's other spectrum disorders that require the debate. I had one student who didn't do anything, literally -nothing-. She wouldn't write tests, wouldn't do homework, wouldn't study, wouldn't follow along with the class. And it wasn't like you could talk to her about it because she just sat there and didn't answer. You had to physically sit there and tell her what she had to do, and watch her do it, or she simply wouldn't.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'She needed a dedicated assistant because while I COULD sit there and help her, it meant I couldn't watch or help the rest of the class.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But dedicated assistants require resources the school board simply doesn't have.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's my primary issue - the time and effort it takes to drag a child along'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the high to average functioning students are made to lag behind while they catch up'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly. I went out of my way to help her, gave up lunch hours so she could work on a math test (3 of them), gave her 2 full Math periods so she could work on it, offered help, advice, and whatever assistance I could short of doing it for her... and afterwards she was still only half done.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Her, and students like her, are ill-served by being put into a regular classroom they can't keep up in. Her grades are awful but not because she's dumb or anything, but because she simply can't be given the dedicated help she needs to succeed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'riz - do you have GI Joe numbers?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nopers'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my boy and I thought we were going to see IM III... we left for town in time to get the theater 60 minutes before the first show (1100), and figured we'd get tickets for the first non-soldout showing....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'first non-sold out show turned out to be 2105 this evening'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it made $175 million in the US/Canada...the 2nd most of any film after the Avengers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, online tickets are flying.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had a bad trip with fandango once... don't trut them anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'making 3x your budget in the first weekend is good for a big budget film though....$200 million to make.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bought fandango tickets to a REALLY popular show opening weekend... '
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got to the theater... had to stand in line anyway to redeem the tickets - got to the front and was told the show was sold out.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if gi joe went up against im3, it probably made 10m :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the reason I asked about GI Joe is that the boy and me went to see that instead, since we were in town... and I wonder how much of GI Joe sales can be credited to saold out ironman'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nice price on the token'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Disney is on a roll....buying Marvel was their best purchase in years, other than LucasFilms'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I bet Disney makes a lot more money from Marvel over the years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'neighbor kid came back from pring break trip to distopia... I mean disney land with a lightsabre wielding micky mouse... it didn't bode well for the franchise'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just wait til they add the Wookie Slide at the water park. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'may the mouse be with you'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'speaking about mices... how about that mouse-pox?  expected to wipe out the entire world in less than 30 days'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '98% death - 2% sterilization = zero humans!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's my source, you ask?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well none other than ALEX JONES!  dun DUN dunnnnnnnnnn!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'alex jones'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... is it all lower case?  my bad'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, gi joe made 1.2 million, down 65% from last week.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gosh... almost as much as IM3?!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege snickers
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty much every american film lost at least 30% from last week'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously... GIJ was such a horrible movie... it was like they said "IM3's coming out WHEN?" and gave up'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gij hasnt even made its budget yet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will make it during the rental release though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '"Deploy the sharks!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to see if a film had made its budget....take the total box office and reduce it by 50%.....half goes to the theatres, half to the production/distribution companies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as a theatre doesnt have too much debt, they should always be making a profit from showing films.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so im3 has made $100 million over its budget for Disney....not bad for the first weekend.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even evil dead 2013 made a profit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lots of good movies lined up for the summer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course - we won't go see too many of them, but good movies for the summer means good rentals for the fall'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the Belagio hotel in las vegas goes through 2000 lbs of king crab and 6000 lbs of steak every day at the buffet....plus 16000 chocolate bon bons'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and everything is cooked onsite, or made from scratch on site.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the MGM's 10 properties, including the Bellagio, has a recycling program that turns all the waste food from the buffet and room service into pig food, the processing of the waste food also finds about $15 million in thrown away utensils and other hotel stuff per year.  That plus the pig farm producing pork for Las Vegas pays for the recycling program.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Bellagio also goes through 3000 lbs of fish each day at the buffet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if you're truly this bored you could go on some gold runs for me'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or, put less politely: Riz - why should I be giving a fuck about all of this trivia?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there a point to this?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the MGM grand is planning on opening the Star Wars experience in 2015.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'still not seeing a point here...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is the point.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more proof that Mom may have known what she was talking about when she said "A little dirt didn't hurt nobody!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'swedish researchers just completed a study that says parents who pick up a dropped pacifier and suck it clean for baby may boost their children's immune systems.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'suck it clean? hell, wipe it on your pants!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not clean enough.  It's the spit that's key.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, bunker buster bombs....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'mmmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder who bought the Greenbriar hotel congressional bunker.....in 1995, a newspaper outed the bunker, so the govt shut it down, and built a new congressional bunker somewhere else to replace it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US sold 25 of those next generation smart bunker buster bombs to Israel for $75 million.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what do you think about Google getting into banking?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as it doesnt postpone their high speed internet network'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps someday you will be paid in google dollars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Gee, Africa's first female billionaire just happens to be the daughter of longtime ruler of Angola....Stealing from the people does pay well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Angola just happens to be the 2nd largest oil producer in Africa.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woot woot on the internet sales tax!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '178 Destroyers were built for WWII, and 25 of them were sunk.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why is it that ruacus, roudy, indiciplined politial protests are alway perpetrated by liberals?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'because they're the funny ones'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not much funny about turning over cars and crapping in the street.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'not yet give it time but I agree it was... uncalled for'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when the 'tea party' has a protest or a deomstration, they have a cleanup detail for afterwards'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'wouldn't that be nice'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'agnostics are smart'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'too smart'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what do you mean?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deep fried moonpies sprinkled with powdered sugar and dipped into maple syrup.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'jesus'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'please don't'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone has to fill the fiery pits of hell one day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'if you believe in hell'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I, along with 74% of the planets population do'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's not including beliefs that do not include a "hell" perse'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyones hell is different, it is based on your psychology.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'its not that i dont i just doubt the existence of a being that can be all forgiving and yet send people to burn for eternity in a pit of fire'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell to one person might not be hell at all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to another'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jesus (my lord and savior) doesn't want ANYONE to go to the fiery pits... He offers complete absolution.  Only those that reject him will burn in hell.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should watch the film, What Dreams May Come.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i doubt that an all forgiving being can be so petty as to say 'if you don't believe in me i'll send you to burn for eternity''
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'maybe that part isnt up to him'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'how can it not be if he is all powerful'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'You have free will.  believe what you must - but consider...  Satan's GREATEST accomplishement has been convincing the world that he does not exist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but hell isnt permanent, just a place to pay for your sins'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that, Modi, is pergetory... a uniquly Catholic beliefe (in Christian churches)'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i believe god exists but not in any of the known religious ways'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'better settle on something and believe in it'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'religion was created by man, spirituality comes from within.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'so therefore im doomed to suffer for all eternity though i have broken no law or commandment and without trial? freewill may exist on earth but not in a religous afterlife'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while it's true that "religion" is not a path to salvation, Jesus was NOT created by man.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'so therefore im doomed to suffer for all eternity though i have broken no law or commandment and without trial? freewill may exist on earth but not in a religous afterlife'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neither was Darth Vader.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sadly, moonpie, yes... but salvation is available to you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What about hindu?  Are they going to hell ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or what about aborigines in australia...them too ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'by giving up my own beliefs and replacing them with beliefs that are not my own and living a lie is that what god would want?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm sure they have their own notions, but from my perspective, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'by giving up my own beliefs and replacing them with beliefs that are not my own and living a lie is that what god would want?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'belief is irrelevant, choosing good over evil is all the matters'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'australian aboriginies are 22% Catholic'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sue about the protestant distrobution.. but there's likely a few'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stinky tofu had to have been created by the devil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so call it an even 30%'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'god would kill the 2/3 of the world and send them to hell just because they don't believe his son was the savior how petty of an all powerful being'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'your religious affiliation doesnt matter'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you're right (and God is), and he gives you the option - it's on you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you have a choice... can't get much more fair'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hell doesnt exist, there are just infinite levels of heaven.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what option its believe or suffer for an eternity and live a lie at the same time'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Modi nods at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'fair the whole thing is unjust'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'declare for Jesus, and you are not living a lie... you are living the very purest truth.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'declaration doesnt matter either, practice does'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'riz... care to associate some of that with a particular religion?  'cause looks to my like your just whacking at the KB.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'but they are not my beliefs and would so circumvent freewill that god put us here for '
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I kinda like the Elysian Fields.....that is the greek version of heaven, infinite levels of heaven.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... bit with Jesus... there is infinite GRACE... you ARE going to mess up, and that's OK.. as long as you are twue to Jesus, there is forgiveness'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah, but it was made only for Menelaus, and that guy was a prick, Riz.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They only started letting other people in later :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'didn't it have something to do with him having 'play things'?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All dogs go to heaven.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'I don't share christian beliefs and the only way i can avoid hell is by lying so that i appear to share those beliefs tell me how is that fair and just and show forgivness'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Greek version of Heaven was basically unilateral.  Hades was just as much a reward as Elysium was. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Eh, hard to say. It was a literary invention created by Homer I believe. Same way Tartarus was created by... I wanna say Virgil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you are "lying", and only "pretend" to have those beliefs [Jesus], then you are not saved anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'if god really were all forgiving he would let everyone go to heaven no matter of belief'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'then its lose lose how is that fair or just'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'what christian beliefs do you not share, moonpies?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, like I said before, religion, hell, fire, satans minions torturing you, it was all created by organized religion to scare the sheep into keeping the church in power.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i dont have a religion at all i believe in a higher power just not one that pertains to any religion'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hell was a creation of Virgil based on his description of Hades as a place of tortured souls. The Christians just kinda took that to help 'em out.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Before Virgil Hades was simply a dark place where souls wandered.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the image of hell has certainly been embelished - by artists, priest, the church - the only true interprutation we have of hell from the bible is 'seperation from God'... and it can't get any worse than that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Dante's Inferno'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ol' Virg has Dante beat by a millenium or so.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'weren't the Vikings pretty dark about their Hel, too?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like I said - the bible says 'hell' is 'seperation from God'... the rest is a product of pop culture (thru all history), the church, artists, etc...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'makes you wonder how an atheist who did it wrong views Heaven...'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'the bible was written centuries after the events took place relying on oral transission to keep it alive which is as unreliable as wikepedia'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'untrue'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'completely true'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Wikipedia is much more unreliable.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, everyone knows humans never embelish the stories they learn....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I liked Piers Anthony's (I think) "On a Pale Horse". The afterlife is an extension of expectation. Everyone goes where they think they'd go, and Atheists simply cease to exist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why would atheists cease to exist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Because it's what they expect.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Anyone ever see the film, Defending Your Life ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'which is probably how goliath came to be ten feet tall and all it took was a pebble in the right place'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sounds like a Lifetime movie.  Couldn't have been any good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "Bible" is the undeniable Word of God.  Quite simple, really.  Ask America, and more than 50% would agree, though 80% profess to be Christian.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'As I recall in the book Death is arguing with a guy who'd just killed himself, an atheist, who refused to accept he was dead because if he was dead he wouldn't exist to be arguing it, and ends up fading away into nothing rather than accept that he was dead and move on :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is an albert brooks film.....pretty funny'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you know that in America we have more flavors of the Christian faith than we have flavors of Baskin Robbins ice cream?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'have you ever read the bible? it is more confusing and contradicting than a dog chasing his tail'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'many times over more flavours, I would imagine....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The problem with the bible is that its been openly changed since its first incarnation, and has been loaded up with social constructs meant to lend a religious-flavour to laws and expectations of the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we are a 'melting pot' after all... but they all have a common thread - Jesus Said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Gays are bad = need more babies to pay taxes and fill armies, pork is bad = poor cleaning techniques lead to sickness from tainted pig meat, Don't open umbrellas inside = someone got poked in the eye!'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's bed time for me... have a good eveining.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'dont make me laugh you cant really believe that an all powerful all knowing all loving god would send about 4.5 billion people to the firey pits of hell just because they dont believe in his son'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think the muslim extremists might be in for a surprise....those 72 virgins could be gay.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Honestly, I like religion as a concept, it's just easily abused by ambitious and remorseless people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'People blame religion for the world's problems, but if religion were wiped out these people would just find a new cover for their inhumanity.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They also enjoy blaming the US, even though we send them more aid then anyone else.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yup. The U.S could do more to help their own case, and the U.S domestic policies in regards to 'security' are terrifying; they'll keep me from visiting anytime soon, but it's amazing how easily people ignore the good they do in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'silly beliefs aside, as long as we practice the fundementals of christianity, faith, charity and love for ALL people, we'll be fine'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert enthusiastically high-fives Modi!
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'im going to ignore that'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So.. you're anti-not being an asshole to other people?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'those fundementals were around before christianity and do not belong soley to that religion'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Because at its core, that's what Christianity purports to preach, and I mean, it's hard to argue with that being a good thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'those are the fundamentals of christianity, though, lots of us forget it'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'yes but they are not only christian beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, fair enough Moon, but you're arguing semantics. Don't be an asshole, whether done from religious teachings or not, still has the same result.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Namely, fewer assholes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'fine'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'true, moonpies, there were good people before christ, and whatever you want to call them, they will be fine, '
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Do it in the name of the FSM for all I care.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'FSM?'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'im a wicked man myself, but i wish to be more righteous, just find it hard'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Flying Spaghetti Monster'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'you have commited no sin that can't be forgiven...by  fellow man that is'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, I don't sweat the small stuff. If there is a God, I'm sure he'll be cool with an apology.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And if not, 99% of us are fucked anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'your screwed'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So hey, party in hell. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think moonpies is a mooney......:p'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Moonpies ) why not partys are fun
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'no im a looney and theres a difference'
T3/r7/2013-05-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. -- Mark Twain'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bengazi is going to blow up'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pakaran: 'you know, this is the first time I've even heard it mentioned in weeks'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'big testemony today'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the media is so polarized, that you will see nothing but Bengazi Bengazi Bengazi Bengazi on one station, and only silence on the other.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The cline shale in West Texas is estimated to have almost 30 billion barrels in recoverable oil reserves right now.  The Cline Shale is part of a shale geologic formation in the Permian Basin area which encompasses most of west Texas.  That brings Texas to 6 producing shale fields now, with lots more coming on line.  The drillers have been using vertical fracturing at the Cline, because the oil field is extremely thick, moreso compared to other Texas shale deposits.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil production in the Cline is expected to by around 1.8 million barrels per day by 2020.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'drill it an burn it'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Pretty much all of Texas is going to be a boomtown with oil and gas production in the coming years....and it will last for decades :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'north dakota, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention new oil shales being found in Oklahoma....truck drivers are driving oky oil to the gulf coast because there is so much.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll be able to sell the chinese more oil than they know what to do with!'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and the govt just doubled the amount of recoverable oil in the bakken shale formation of north dakota to 8m barrels.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er 8 billion barrels'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a friend of mine works for an oil services company....he loads up with oklahoma oil and drives it 550 miles south to a gulf coast refinery....he makes about $24 an hour.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not bad for someone who has been driving for less then 2 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Three Forks Shale formation in north dakota has started producing.....and energy companies are optimistic that this deposit could bigger than the bakken oil production by 2-3x.  That could add another 1-3 million barrels of new oil per day by 2020.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you count the new red river and madison shale formations, north dakota is going to be swimming in even more oil in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those peakers must be having nightmares with all this new oil production in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll share it with them'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no cost'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for free'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll give the WHOLE world a taste of 'entitlement', then we will be in charge!'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'referring to the peak oil fanatics who said the world was going to run out of oil and we would be paying $300 a barrel for oil :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll give them some, too... free oil for EVERYONE!'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I always dreamed of a day when the USA could provide for the needs of the whole world!'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too bad it is illegal for the US to export oil :('
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we wouldnt want to export oil anyways....we have the refineries that can turn it into refined products and export those....a tanker of gasoline or diesel is worth much more.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the birth rate for women on public assistance is three times that of women who are not on public assistance. (155 births / 1,000 vs 53 births / 1,000)'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, 2 elementary school kids were suspended for making gun noises and pretending a pencil was a gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A pencil is a weapon when it is pointed at someone in a threatening way and gun noises are made, Bethanne Bradshaw, a spokesperson for Suffolk Public Schools told WAVY,'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus proving public schools are run by airheads'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the more pragmatic way of dealing with the kids would have been to castigate them for pointing loaded pencils at people'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eye-witness accounts to the boston bombing followup suggest that the MIT campus cop was shot by another policeman in a friendly fire incident, and NOT as reported by the fleeing bombing suspects'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4cDUp61PNI'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hate search engines.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'write your own, then'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no thanks, I will just stop using them, since they dont work anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they already filter out the real porn anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-05-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like that show Masterchef....it is like a different side of gordon ramsay.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, talk about highway robbery....$2.68 for 5 lbs of sugar.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saffron n Lemon: 'anyone up for a quick debate til my quest comes round?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saffron n Lemon: 'pinheaded angels? free will? unicovality? haeccity? axiology?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saffron n Lemon: 'should i respond to a letter from some person on the ivory coast that wants me to let them transfer funds to my account?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Colours: 'give me your credit card number, and i'll check it out and make sure it's legit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saffron n Lemon: 'i don't have it with me, but call me later and i can.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, light sweet crude is a nice orange to yellow color......wth did they call it black gold for ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the drilling mud is blacker in color compared to the oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Gore said there is no such thing as ethical oil'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algore is a hypocrit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'his family owns a huge mine in Tennessee that creates tons of pollution.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TJQIIzcyII   a donkey has a hard on for a sunbather in mexico......'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://news.yahoo.com/your-own-black-box-162809896.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a nice complement to the personal airbag, don't you think?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'does it give a donkey a hard on ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so a 6th grader gets busted for pot in school - small town - and doesn't get suspended - back in school the next day - no explanation given to the teachers or anyone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pot gets a bad rap, you know.  It's the only carcinogen that doesn't cause lung cancer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'same school - kid wears a tshirt with his daddy on it (soldier serving in AF) - and gets suspended for two days because of the gun in the picture'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was a sixth grader - don't even try to convince me that it's "OK"'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was that the same school where the kids broke out into a gangbang when the teacher left the room unattended?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not that I'm aware of... I'de have heard about that - like I said.  Small town'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the kids were even smart enough to post lookouts.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sixth graders?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's just all the way wrong'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'middle schoolers, don't recall if they were 6th grade or higher.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could have been 7,8 or 9... 6th in some areas'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'man, in 6th grade we didnt have gangbangs....we had rocket club.....built model rockets and launched them....but I hear rocket club was cancelled eventually because of insurane reasons....I hate insurance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'definitely wasn't 9-12.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'insurance is destroying our way of life....'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least it was kids being kids.  This is worse, though: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/12/oxnard-middle-school-rock_n_573192.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not insurance.  Safety.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is so unsafe about model rockets and chemical engines ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solid fuel is safe.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'riz - it's not the insurance... insurance is a symtom of a litigation happy society where "sueing for hot coffee" is acceptable'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am glad I am not a kid today....no dodgeball, rockets, walking to school, walking home, and the school board even tried to forbid leaving the campus at the high school for lunch.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but everyone ignored it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'high schoolers cannot leave campus for lunch anymore?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they tried to do it at my hometown.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you wanna have fun in today's world, you have to run the streets.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i was allowed to....'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'our district, I think, allows it now, but they didn't let it happen during the 90s when I was attending.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'was it too dangerous or something?'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I suppose they didn't trust us to come back.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'there is always that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'though officially I think they were just afraid of getting sued if something happened to us off-campus while they were in charge of our well-being.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'good point.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we didn't have Megan's Law or Amber Alerts and stuff, after all, and certainly not as many camaras.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'neither did we. just televisions in case we need serious babysitting'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, they had just upgraded to them when I was attending.  Before then if we wanted video we had to use those old projectors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i remember those.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we wanted video, we had to go to the art room, and make still action pictures and then move them in order........'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and only the administration offices had air conditioning.  The rest of us suffered with fans and wide-open windows.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'uh, we had AC. sorry, man.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we didnt need AC in Alaska....'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and back then, parents wanted you to look your best for school so you couldn't wear shorts and t-shirts.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ohm: 'i think many schools now have a uniform policy'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you can slam it past the liberals'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, most still don't.  A definite dress code, for sure.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'liberals are DEAD set against uniforms'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, $2.8 million investment on an oil well, and $40 million profit over its lifetime....not bad.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the local sams club didnt carry it..they only had the walmart brand.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'looks like we might be replacing street lamps with glow-in-the-dark trees one day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, like on Pandora...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chinese claim jumpers in ghana....send in the marines!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is shame they are cutting down all those cocoa trees in ghana to get at the gold.....indefinite cocoa production is worth more then the gold.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Rizgoth, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pakaran: 'that's what happens when you base an economy on resource extraction.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Anyone from Virginia who supports the 2nd ammendment planning on going on the DC march on 4th July with Adam Kokesh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'looks like the Benghazi testimony didn't have the 'smoking gun' factor that many were hoping for.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'define smoking gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the people on the ground were crying out that they were being attacked and wanted help and it was refused? thatcame out'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that hilary didn't even read the cables? that came out'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'heavily damning evidence that HAS to lead to dire punitive action... in this case, towards the administration, or the State Department'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the administration pushed a myth that it was a demonstration against that youtube video when they knew that wasn't true? that came out'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing that hasn't come out is WHY they were told to stand down'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and where are all the weapons now that were housed there?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes and yes.. but despite that... there seem to be no 'traction' towards doing something about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nixon was impeached for far less.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all valid points.. but yet and still... where is the public outcry?  EVERYone seemed to want Nixon's head.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if we never find out the motivation for this, or if somehow it is proven that it was incompetence, Hilary should be forced to step down, and should be barred from running in 2016'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a combination of mainstream media whitewashing, misdirection, and careful spin'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I concure... but the reality is that that just 'aint going to happen... it's like they're all covered with teflon®'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats why people need to put on pressure'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got yourselves to blame'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'careful how you define "yourselves"'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you complain about incompetent government, and then don't get angry when it's admitted that people have cocked up. You need to hold these people to account, the buck stops with them'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yourselves, the american public'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trust me, UK isn't exactly the centre of liberty, but if one of our ministers had cocked up, they'd be out'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'America is polorized like no other time in history.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they fall on their swords for calling a policeman "a pleb", when it turns out they never did'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is a preception that "Obama MUST not fail"  at all cost...  that has morphed into "Obama CAN NOT fail"... all the sheep believe it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, for once, this probably has nothing to do with Obama'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Which is true, Von, but there are still people who believe Bush was the best president ever so the answer is to accept that there are lunatics on both sides of the political spectrum and do your best to remain as close to the centre as you can.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'noddy holder should have gone over Fast and Furious, Hilary should be gone over this'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bush wasn't all that good a president... but I liked him....  I think the last 'great' president we had was Reagan.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feh'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bush sucked'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Clinton Sucked'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bush Snr sucked'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Reagan sucked after he got shot'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Carter for all his flaws wasn't all that bad'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which was the last US president that wasn't a mass murderer? Must have been sometimes before WWII.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in retrospect - and oval office blowjobs aside... Clinton had merit as well.  he was a completly different kind of liberal from Obama'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nixon was a sellout, had his agenda set by Rockefeller and Kissenger'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the last proper president, unfortuantely, was Kennedy, and look what happened to him when he decided not to tow the NWO line?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Clinton happened to be president during economically pleasant times (and helped set the stage for 2008 with deregulations etc.)'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'apart from some deregulations, I suppose he didn't do too much harm'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bah!  polititians are all crap... CRAP I tell you!...  but the alternative is anachy, and that's no good'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, that was massive harm, just didn't get to feel it for 15 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you need is politicians that aren't bought off, VL, you need Ron Paul :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he scares the crap outa me... what is he even getting at?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is who getting at?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'RP... what's his agenda?  he's a polititian, so he's crap... I just can't figure out what his crap actually is'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his agenda is reminding people of the original purpose and original boundaries of government, and wanting to get back to that'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free markets, sound money, anti-imperialism'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Original goverenment? You mean mesopotamia?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Ranrr for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as defined by the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Ron Paul wants to cut away most of the federal government's power, and distribute the power among individuals, markets and states.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..since Obama knows best and central planning works, this is obviously crazy :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'leaving defence of the nation, and interstate/intercountry commerce to the feds, perhaps with oversight powers for the rest'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Tinada person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Obama know's best" is what really gets under my skin... "I have the answers if you'd just let me have my way! <stomps feet like a child>"'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, RP is gone, so you have to look to the people for similar minded folks'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his son is ok, but a bit neo-con'ish, Ted Cruz is shaping up well'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my son respectfully called me "provincial" the other day...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What I dislike about obama is the lies about guantanamo, and the policy of fighting terrorism with terrorism (drones).'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is your son a bleeding heart liberal?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"respectfully"... as in he might not like it (because he's a teenager), but he can get behind it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this is it, Ranrr, I'd have nothing bad to say about Obama if he was just advocating wealth distribution, socialised healthcare, and a better safety net, but stuck to the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the collectivisation PLUS the centralisation and imposition of federal iron grip that annoys me'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can't even get behind him THAT much, TG... '
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i wouldn't get behind him, but i wouldn't be cussing him'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe that "wealth distrobutioin" is a pile of CRAP!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I have no opinion about that, other than the fact that it's weird that the constitution seems so important when discussing US politics. It is about as relevant as the magna charta, imho. '
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you're poor, you will be fed and housed and have your medical needs seen too... but you WILL NOT drive a nice car while talking on a cell phone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nice cars and cell phones are for people who work for it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Where in the US constitution does it say that it's ok to mass murder civilians to hunt people you think may be terrorists?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not murder... perfectly legal to wage war.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not war'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, you cannot legally go to war without declaring it, nor without congress approval'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bombs... guns.. shooting.. things blowing up... fox holes and bunkers... tanks and gunships.... sounds like war to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever the legality of all of them, they have all been unnecessary, counterproductive, and only make security weaker, and cost a fortune'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Unmanned drones into e.g. pakistan is not war, it's mass murder (or terrorism if you prefer).'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unnnessesary - a matter of opinion... counterproductive - we've killed alot of bad men... . security weaker? - as long as we are "over there", there are fewer of them "over here"....  cost a fortune? - ya... it's pretty expensive'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've killed a lot of bad men, but in doing so have "created" many more'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's why Americans can't get through an airport checkpoint without having their toddler patted down? :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by that measure, it's counterproductuive'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's counterproductive, it wasn't necessary by definition'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Having them "over there" is great, unfortunately there's enough of 'them' that they're 'over here' too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the fault of lax border security, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poor decisions have been made regarding US involvement over seas... I can't really debate that... but keep in mind.  We went in with ful vilibility... wearing uniforms and everything.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you went in for financial reasons, not security'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sure, Tiger, but my point is that using the "As long as we keep them over there, security is better here" argument is ill advised.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the MIC didn't have a cold war to make money off, so they needed a new bogeyman'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh?  Iraq was for oil, and that's fine... but what finacial reason was there for AF?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the point of the US terrorism is to distable the region.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what the west did< Cuthbert, is like flicking a tiger's arse with a wet towel, then when it bites you, going to war against Tigers'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Drugs, VL, and military contracts'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'destableize?  Afgahnistan went from 200+ local warlords to 3 or 4 with a clearly defined central government.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ROFL'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Don't forget the re-construction contracts and civilian profits to be made in the aftermath *cough*Haliburton*cough*'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How about pakistan?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the warlords are still in control, they're just bought off with CIA money'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'afghan president was talking about it on telly just recently'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the money stops, they'll revert to type'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'At least afghanistan was a "war", sort of. Pakistan is just being bombed for the fun of it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, there was NO security reason for invading Afghanistan'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pakistan is being bombed because the government is corrupt and trying to play both ends... making nice with terrorist organizations AND taking money from the US for NOT making nice with the terroists'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then stop giving them money and pull out, VL'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, because the government is corrupt, mass murder is ok?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so when pakistan says "we're doing all we can to root out the terrorists" all the while giving them safe passage, we "help" them a bit'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so ya... we mass murder the bastards... just like we mass murdered japan in WWII, and just like Napoleon mass murderd fro France, and just like a thousand other mass murders through out all of history.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because people have done it in the past, doesn't make it right'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'japan bomb ended the war, bombing 200 innocent people to get 1 terrorist does not'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as has already been said, instead of stopping that terrorist, you create a dozen more'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess we should just throw open the borders and start tearing down churches and schools... and buy Hijabs for all ourt women'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and has already been said, had you not gone into Afghanistan in the first place (which you didn't need to do) then you wouldn't not have radicalised many others'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pwnberry: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, VL, you shouldn't, and the two aren't opposite ends of a scale'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the world is too small for isolationism'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have closed borders, and promote christianity in USA without invading other countries'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when has "not invading other countries" been "isolationsim"?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I agree all those examples were terrible, and some of them and many others could be called terrorism (including e.g. the bombing of dresden). But there is still a difference between killing in a warzone, and killing outside. Outside a warzone, killing is murder and obama is a mass murderer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not just Christianity... Budism, Taoism, Judaism... everything except Islam, pretty much'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pwnberry: 'the world is to small for this power pissing contest'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's nothing wrong with religion provided the practicing of it doesn't overstep the rights of non-practicers'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The thing that kills me is that Islam is basically an offshoot of Christianity & Judiasm. They all worship the same God, and Islam is even closer to Christianity in that it acknowledges Jesus as a prophet of God.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'miles apart, Cutbert... MILES'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Keep telling yourself that, man.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's nothing wrong with it, Cuthbert, just with some extreme and contextually inaccurate interpretations of it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pwnberry: 'the difference between islam and christianity is smaller then the difference from all 3 to sanity'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'islam demands that you recognize only Allah... and Christianity demands that you acknolege only Jesus.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Allah = a different name for the same Christian God.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same name for jewish god too, no?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Allah, Iehovah, and I'm sorry, I don't know the Jewish name for God, but yes Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'All 3 worship the same God. The main difference between Islam & Christianity is that while Christianity sees Jesus as the final prophet, Islam believes Mohammed was sent afterwards.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to Christians... Jesus is SOOOOO much more than the "final prophet"'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pwnberry: 'he is the sun bro'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And to the Jewish, he wasn't, I don't see you demanding they all be kicked out of the country.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting to note how the argument has been sewayed'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jesus IS God... part of the Holy Trinity.... Christians worship a completly different god than islam... islam's god does not include Jesus.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'differences in religion does not give you an excuse to invade countries, nor bomb innocent people'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Especially when the differences are overblown by zealots.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'never said it did... just responding to the obsurd notion that we all worship the same god'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it essentially -is- the same god'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are all monotheist religions'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Never been able to figure out why we can't all just have our own imaginary friends and leave everybody else alone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is agreeing with that Jhav person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'NOT the same God... you will never get Musilms OR Christians OR jews to agree to that... only athiests and non-believers believe that they are the same god... and that's only about 8% of the world population'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Actually, I would guess that 90% of muslims would agree.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '8%? you realise China is more than 8% of the world's population, and they are predominantly atheist'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But most christians would not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'Just to clarify a few issues. Jews and muslims and christians all accept the old testament and essentially worship the same god. Jews reject the messiah Jesus, Muslims claim that Jesus was just a prophet and not the son of God and fortold the coming of Mohammed. Some christians belived that Jesus IS God but this is not a teaching based on the bible and incoporates pagan doctrines.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I dind't count china'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'If by "non-believers" you mean non-Christian, non-Jewish, non-Islamic...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you didn't count china, australia, UK, most of western europe, India'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'More than 13% of the world population is Hindu.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact, you didn't count anywhere in the world except USA and Muslim countries'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any other justification for empirism you'd like shot down?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's why it's crazy that Obama is using the furlough as a poltical instrument, yet at the same time handing $250million worth of MILITARY EQUIPMENT to the muslim brotherhood in Egypt'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '(quickly tallied the numbers from the CIA's World Factbook, and only 56.35% of the world population is Christian, Jewish, or Muslim)'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'All three religions worship a creator, so presumably the same entity is listening to all prayers etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'and judaism accounts for an extremely small proportion of that'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Yeah, 0.22%'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It may not be very informative to say that they worship the 'same' God, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, that includes some countries where it's illegal not to be religious, like indonesia, so the real number is probably lower.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'from what i understand europe is predominantly christian/catholic, but only in name'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most of europe is atheidontcareist'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of europe is sheeple'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm not sure whether to be sad or relieved over missing the earlier religion debate'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seldom do such debate end with any sort of resolution'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the good ones never do'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'otherwise what would be the point of a debate channel?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'things would be settled already'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's not the answer that matters, it's how you get there'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'http://www.naturalnews.com/040213_culture_war_backlash_civil.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'd been looking for kind of a nutshell link of batshit crazy and there it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well no I wasn't looking for it... but there it is anyway...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and to be clear, the problem isn't that people buy into this, but that people who buy into it do crazy batshit things as a result'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seems rather well laid out... if a bit overly dramatic'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you're one of the buyers?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean I know you're into some of this stuff, but really... you'd agree with all of that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on several of the points, yes... but like I said... there's a bit much drama in that report.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the courtmartial soldiers, for example... it left alot unsaid'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while expression of religious freedom is a corner stone of American culture....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Prosthelytizing is often views as intrusive'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it can be yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not always'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's where institutional law rears its ugly head... like the kid who nibbled his poptart into a gun... he got suspended because institusional law does not allow for common sense'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure it does, law is written by people and judged by people'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the school had a ZERO tolerence for guns, and by golly... there he was with a gun-tart.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'eh, a kid was suspended for eating his poptart into a gun shape?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... sad, but true... more recently, a 4th grader was suspended for pointing his pencil at another kid and saying "pow"'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'links?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess I'll just go look on Google, never mind'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I offer these only as illustration in what an institution uses for guidence when defining violations....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'anyway the link I posted.. guy is batshit crazy, end of story'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'links inbound'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/18/student-suspended-for-pop-tart-gun_n_2903500.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'https://www.google.com/search?q=pencil+gun+student&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=7uGLUdDDD4HM9ASojoDoDQ&ved=0CD0QsAQ&biw=1920&bih=911'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hahaha.. the lawyer is comparing the kid to Steve Jobs? '
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but like I said... the military, like these schools, has lost (or tossed out) the capacity to discriminate between rational, and malicious....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so... he did this then waved it around... were kids in the room actually scared? Like they didn't know it was a poptart?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'because if you go waiving a fake gun around at a school, especially after recent events, I can see why someone gets into trouble.. whether that gun is made of plastic, soap, poptarts, bubbles, whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'eehh.. waving'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a soldier is either free to be a bible thumping, cross toting, Prosthelytizing Christian - or he is not... to allow a grey area is to inject objectivity, and the need to actually consider each case... something institutions have little inclination towards'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh.. no there is a middle ground'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the reality is that Christians are not persecuted (except in sensational, news making instances)... and there ARE rules against pushing your religion on others... unfourtunatly, at the moment, it's REALLY cool to hassle Christians'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still speaking about the Army, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well on that point I would agree'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while you and I and many others are willing to go to the grey middle ground, the 'machine' that is the institution favors hard, zero tolerance postions.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just gave you two really good examples (guns in school)'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magish: 'of course, because then those who institute them don't have to worry about using their judgement, and can foist all blame onto "the system" instead of having to take the blame themselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the institution was SO inflexible.. .it HAD to suspend a kid for a tart-gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, and I said if you wave something around that looks like a gun and it causes a disruption and scares students, you're going to get into trouble'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what it's made of is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'granted...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'especially so soon after events like Newtown or Columbine'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought you were being rhetorical when you asked if anyone was scared... they were not'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no I was serious'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I can see why they did what they did. It was only a couple of days'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seems reasonable to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'kids shouldn't fuck around with those kinds of jokes'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'come on now, onslaught... suspention for eating your poptart into the shape of gun?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I have no idea what it looked like, but if I'm in a lunchroom at a distance and see what I think is a gun and can't tell it ISN'T a gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you better believe I'm going to be pulling fire alarms or whatever else'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if I were a student anyway :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's a picture http://www.glennbeck.com/2013/03/04/indoctrination-kid-suspended-for-making-a-gun-out-of-a-pastry/'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ok.. gun-shaped, yes, and if I can't see it well from across a room I don't know what it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and some would argue that you should be suspended for pulling the fire alarm for no good reason.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'did the kid say anything as he waved it around?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and what if they had used the historic hand shaped into a gun with a rubber band attachment projectile ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so if I'm holding a stapler, and you can't tell that it's not a gun... you'd wig out (or understand why someone would)?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better ban them from school for forever!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'dude it's 2 days'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'for something the entire country is hyper sensitive about'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I know if I had been suspended for two days when I was in school, it would have been devestating.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, right'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you never woulda made it '
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'please'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bunch of whiny bastards is what this country is turning into.....afraid of a damn mouse.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously.  suspension would have been the end of my universe as I know it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meanwhile you can't say there's a fire in a crowded theater, even if that fire is made of slushee'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you'll be in trouble'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'correct, if inelequently stated, Rizx'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Irarely pull punches. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'disecting this a wee bit further... I would go so far as to say there is a large segment of the population that hovers and waits to pounce on the opportunity to be a victim, whine, cry this or that, and generally be offended.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is VERY cool to be a victim, and to be supportive of victims... everyone is standy by with a candle, a lighter, and a soundtrack of kumbya.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps if most of them had a real manual labor job they wouldnt become pussies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'try and get a hotel room within 100 miles of Aurora CO for a week surrounding July 20, 2013.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they were sold out within 48 hours of the shooting... on a lark, I called several hotels trying to get rooms... 2 of the 12 I called said they wern't booking that far out.. .the other 10 were all booked'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'an you can bet... they'll be coming with candles'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'lot of that will be media'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hadn't thought of that'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly right... but not ALL'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'probably most though. I remember during the 2000 election fiasco Tallahassee had not a single open motel/hotel room for months'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people were renting out their basements to media companies and raking in the cash'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and i only pulled that parallel because I happened to live there at the time :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Pakistan is having an energy crisis because of all the air conditioners and a hot spring.....They better build a nuclear power plant!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'thorium!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh, wait, thorium has no military application... so even though it's cheaper, less dangerous, and creates much less waste...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'NO ONE will build thorium reactors'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they already have a nuklear bomb... what would a power plant hurt?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'easier to make bomb than plant'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point is... NOT building a plant wouldn't prevent them from refining fissionalble bomb material'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm... huh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you have to get the material from somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure you can go the centrifuge route'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why do we NOT want some poeple to build power plants - regardless of their stated goal?  bomb material... they already have a bomb... so no point keeping them from making bomb material'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'proliferation issues?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Fukushima?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Pakistan is going to have the french build them a pebble bed nuclear reactor...about 500 megawatts, expandable to 2 gigawatts if needed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but what's one more bomb?  there's going to be one in every basement in a few years anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no there isn't :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and oneone ever thought bottled water would vatch on wither'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'EITHER'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'eventually every city will have small nuclear reactors that are self contained for 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'small safe, pebble bed reactors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'thorium dangnabbit!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we wont switch to thorium until uranium becomes too expensive.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually the eventual result will be that nuclear power becomes obselete, at least so far as electricity generation is concerned'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Iran has enough uranium in the ground to supply them with enough power for over 1000 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's the forcast for weaponization of Fusion?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'solar collectors, wave power, and maybe some geothermal plants'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you hear the term "cold fusion"... but what does it REALLY mean?  sounds safe and even fun'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'collectively, we probably have enough uranium for 100 years of power projection based on current use.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not counting the uranium in the ocean of course, just the known uranium deposits on land.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a big problem with our current generation of nuclear power plants though.   They are far from safe, and have major mechanical problems.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cancer clusters near nuclear power plants is much higher compared to natgas power plants.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It seems our current generation of nuclear power plants was consulted by Tim 'The Toolman' Taylor.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'to be fair, they're all decades old'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what else would you expect?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they were built defective.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'each one is of a different design, no standardized design plan.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'do not use off the shelf components.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mm water'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Iowa's largest energy company announced plans Wednesday to spend $1.9 billion to install hundreds of wind turbines by the end of 2015, marking what the governor described as the largest economic development project in the state's history.  1 gigawatt of production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess Iowa wants to join Texas as one of the largest producers of wind power in the country.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, 656 new wind turbines, can't wait!'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poor birds'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guess they will just have to evolve.....they did evolve from the dinosaurs afterall.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wind turbines... there's a contradiction,.. don't get me wrong - I'm all for 'em, but look at how they create division within the liberal ranks?  the PETA people hate them for killing hundreds of thousands of birds - and the Greenies love them for the clean energy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'same with tidal power and fish'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'havn't heard anyone get tight panties over geothermal'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wind power is here to stay....Iowa already has 1400 wind turbines.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has over 8000'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'germany has over 25,000'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'germans also pay around 25 cents a kwh :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Yeah well you don't see PETA complaining about all the dead wildlife from cars. It's just an acceptance curve.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'roadkill is a major food source for some people....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'civil war started yet?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'havn't got a call yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the dodgy US Department of Defence has ordered Defence Distributed to remove downloads of certain 3d printable products from their website claiming it breeches arms export laws'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'last I heard, the queen isn't budging on immegration reform'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be no reform'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all three parties are talking about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a big difference between talking about it and giving lip service to it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's fuck all they can do about it, it's not within their sphere of control'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who decides?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '84% of UK law is made in Brussels'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wo withdrawal would be the first step... isn't that a pretty popular notion these days?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all 3 major parties are against withdrawal, which is why i said it's purely lip service'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why UKIP got such support in the local elections'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but UKIP won't win the elections in 2015 because people are stupid'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why is britton, along with france, germany and a few others content to tote the bill in europe?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the same reason that a third party won't win in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because germany is the one taking over europe in a way that is succeeding where military conquest in the 1940s failed'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'status quo?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and because France is full of smelly socialists who think it's a great idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... you ask for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'France will carry on believing it's a great idea until they run out of other people's money to spend, by which point they're frogmarching and shouting "ziege heil"'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally I have campaigned for us to leave, and have voted UKIP'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no armed insurrection option because we have no constitution and no firearms'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why i make such a fucking stink of you lot frittering yours away'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't know what you've got'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK we're bent over and fucked harshly at the whim of the ruling elite'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we -are- essentially slaves'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'they dont belive it tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who don't believe what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't see how we're 'frittering' it away when gun control is defeated just about every time it comes up... the liberals couldn't even twist 22 dead school children into a decent push for more control'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'that thing you just said about guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not about just guns, for one, and for two, the votes are irrelevent - look at the ATTITUDE they're pushing, look at the way schoolkids are being suspended for going "bang", why are cops being told to freak out whenever someone is carrying'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all being pushed through regulation rather than via law'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regulation and continual nattering...'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the media plays their part. Why do most americans think gun crime has increased over the last 20 years when in fact it has dropped by 49%?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's increased 13% over  five years in Chicago'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's chicago, perhaps if they didn't have fuckwits in charge that banned gun ownership, it would have dropped as with elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'case in point'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fresh from fucking up his own city, Obama now wants to shit on the rest of the states'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chicago - mafia central, should tell you all you need to know about the Obama administration'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... we DO still have an armed option.. if it comes to that... but the change will be so smooth, there won't be a 'pivital' flash point that will spark it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CNN busted again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=5TyDHiITq1M'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i really hope someone sees fit to prosecute hilary'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't believe she and rice got awards today, seems almost fucked up'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be like awarding Bin Laden a posthumous peace prize on the anniversary of 9/11'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG.. in a society where children are prosecuted for saying "bang"... NOT sending an armed response make Hilary a Hero in many eyes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is fucked up also'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and since what she did is viewed as HEROIC, all else is forgiven'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'When people vote, they fall into two catagories... and I'm not talking rep or dem... they either vote idealogically, or for personal reasons... '
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most just don't vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone on welfare, for example, will vote DEM for the promis of continued and bigger handouts... someone in the Military Contract business will vote REP for similar reasons....'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps welfare recipients should be banned from voting?'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't be the first time a democracy only allowed certain sectors to vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fed up with it all, gnight :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go sort it out'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but what's important to understand, is that we've passed a tipping point where the number of voters dependent on welfare and food stamps has VARY zzq'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '... far surpassed the number of people who oppose entitlement... ergo.. the dam has broke, and there's no stopping the flow'
T3/r7/2013-05-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'here's an interesting question...how can you build an IED yet not know it was filled with explosive powder?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if cali allowed drilling to take place, it would rake in about $5 billion a year in new tax revenue on the oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '200-300 new species of bacteria were found in the la brea tar pits in 2007.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'including some that eat the oil and produce methane.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In 2009, some fossils were found around the tar pits.  Among the finds are remains of a saber-toothed cat, six dire wolves, bison, horses, a giant ground sloth, turtles, snails, clams, millipedes, fish, gophers, and an American lion. Also discovered is a nearly intact mammoth skeleton'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so... what's everyone have planned for 'parent 1' day on Sunday?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'a pink muffin'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's pretty sexist'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what if 'parent 1' is a man?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm being antagonistic, of course...'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'pink is a man's colour nowadays?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'its mother's day, not 2nd father's day'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was just making light of the Baltimore School District's decision to purge the term "mother" and "father" from all their forms... replacing them with "parent 1" and "parent 2"'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'next thing you know, there will be a space for "parent 3"'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'oh, lol x)'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what i think is,'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'its like that guncake you discussed yesterday. I mean REALLY, we get people are anti war and anti afghanistan, but expelling a kid whose chow bears remote semblance to a fire arm? Why not send him to a shrink rather? Same with this baltmore school thing. Its really pathetic. I'll take a stand and say that, people like that need their asses kicked'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'i feel that, it screws the gene pool of humanity up. That kid has a right to a mother and father, to have the influences of a REAL mother and REAL father in their critical phrase of existance. Sure, you can say that, each family has his own choice to do how they please, but the bastard of genealogy is that, that child will grow up, and obviously, his upbringing and what he learnt is encoded into his dna and thats the heritage his kid(s) will have.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'what do you think?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'einstein became a genius by theoretically proving naught..'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Not at all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'oh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'the burden's not on me.  Elaborate on your claim.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"naught" as in "negative"?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or "naught" as in he was an idiot?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'despite the spin that acedamia tend to put on history.. I'd be a hard sell to say "Einstien isn't [wasn't] a genius'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xaeris agrees!
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'He started the development of quantum theory, resolved Maxwell equations.  What more do you want?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he might have missed on relativity... but then archemedies missed a few times, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'naught - archaic for nothing, zero'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'He didn't prove "nothing".  He proved that energy is exchanged in discrete amounts.  That's a pretty damn big thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when you say "... became a genius..."  I will infer that you mean "... was recognized as a genius..."'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'here.  Found the first paper I read of his.  http://www.unipune.ac.in/snc/centre_for_philosophy_and_history_of_science/phsc_webfiles/pdfs/2nd_paper.pdf'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: ''became recognized as a genius''
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'I can link more papers if you want.  There's nothing in those papers that isn't genius.  *shrug*'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that was a "know what you ment" moment... debates can get derailed SOO fast but people pretending to not know what you ment.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) MagusTiberia: 'As for quantum science and maxwell's, those weren't the factors that earned him the said renown'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'In the populace, his work on relativity is what he's known for.  In the scientific community, those are what he's known for even moreso.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He did discover the photoeletric effect (or explain it) and got a nobel price for that. Kind of an important thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Naaaaah'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And that lead to quantum theory, also sort of an important thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'indeed, it was Maxwell's silver hammer that made him famous'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he was the Carl Sagan of his day... and he was smart... all the rest is details for an acedemic debate I am ill equiped to engage in.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Einstein was the Carl Sagan of his day?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... scientific celebrity figure'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And wasn't he quite famous for the (made up) love affair with marilyn monroe'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'not a comparision that I would have made, to be honest'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We don't have any famous scientists anymore, people don't think science is important, unfortunately.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Michio Kaku is the current face of science'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'in which country?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, it's hard to turn on the TV over here without getting Brian Cox'd'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'in fact, I would say, we are going through a golden age of science popularisation'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and the really nice thing about it is that most of the people involved are actually working scientists as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'brian cox is uniquely british... he doesn't get any air time inthe USA'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess I just see so many people, primarily in the US, that don't believe in science.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we get Michio Kaku... If the astroid were headed our way, Michio Kaku would be on all the news channels explaining how we are all going to die'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, well, the US is the country that revoices David Attenbourgh with Signory Weaver, which says it all really'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Michio Kaku is just too american, it is painful to hear him speak.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he has a unique voice... like Carl Sagan sis'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't mean his voice, though, I mean his statements. He thinks war is fun, and that health insurance should be only for the rich.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He's a plitician, not a scientist. Imho.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't really know how to respond to that... doesn't EVERYONE like war?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'war? I mean, what is it good for, huh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'war paid my bills for quite a few years'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there have always been wars... there will always be wars... might as well deal with it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's a convenient way to avoid responsibility for your actions.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nothing convienient about it... war is hard work... winning is even harder'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and not having a war is even harder still'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'near impossible, I'd say.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, at least if you have oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can have periods of "no war"... but there will always be another one eventually'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'that's a silly argument -- eventually is a long time -- the question is how many wars have been avoided.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and they have. There are many poltiical events that could have resulted in war. '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... you certainly don't have to go to war over everything.. that would be pretty silly... but there are things to go to war about.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's easy to wage wars when you are the biggest power on the planet and live in an isolated place. Not so easy when your home land is invaded.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'people get all bent about "war over oil"... but tell them [USA] that gas is going to be $6 a gallon, and they'll send the troops in a heartbeat to avoid it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, indeed, but oil, enforcing an economic system, or as Keynsian mechanism for investment which claiming to be free marketters are not them'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And people that think that are immoral and stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '".... are immoral and stupid."... and if they have the biggest army... they get to be.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but it does not justify anything. They are still terrorists and mass murderers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'your point?  not much you can do about it, is there?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you might as well deal with it'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Enjoy it while it lasts, and don't complain then when it ends.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... I'll deal with it'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fortunately, not all people are cynical murderers like you. Some people in the US (most) are sane.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'everyone in the US enjoys a high quality of life... as long as gas is cheap... they don't care why'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That is fortunately not true. But it may be true for some inbread people in texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you always seem to sink to degrading and provoking terms like "inbread", Ranrr.. is that the extent of your vocabulary?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '"inbread" -- a novel description of a sandwich'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you ever acually had to fight for ANYTHING?  or have you just had everything handed to you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I must say, most of my sandwiches are inbread.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I haven't had to kill for anything, and I never will.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you'd just roll over and die first?  you'd let your family die first?  '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I had by bucket and spade nicked once, when I was a child'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I am not sure. I might defend myself if I was attacked, but that depends on circumstances.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... I see.. it depends... so there IS a time for killing, you would say?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not if if can be avoided. Defense does not imply killing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell me this... when a child is "bullied" in school.. where does he go?  who does he turn too?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What does that have to do with killing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does he go to a teacher?  does he go to his parents?  a big hulking moster of a friend?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's an analogy'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'An irrelevant analogy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the point is that there are entire populations on this planet that live with a "bully" hovering over them every day....'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes. The US.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'or does he organise together with his fellows to establish a society where bullying is not accepted.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'take Iraq, for example.... Hussein was a flat out bully... and he needed killing.. but who's going to kill the bully?  not the Iraqi people... they're too weak... not Sweden.. their too sissified... '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the biggest kid on the block has to go an remove him.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, like killing saddam solved anything. '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think the US military needs a lesson in general systems theory.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'his people are pretty happy... exceot for a few disenters who would bitch regardess...'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'instead of supporting him?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you see, Ranrr... I don't want my wife and daughter forced to wear a Hijib... so I fight to prevent that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ah, you think muslims are evil. Gotcha.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Ranrr -- he didn't say that'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I don't want to be forced into Islam either'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fine.. I don't want my wife and daughter forced to eat Lutefisk every other meal....'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'or Christianity a dnt ehre are many places that do both'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't want people to be killed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to be true... I don't want people to be killed either.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'qr'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'indeed, the question is when is enough. '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the US military did kill several 100 thousand people to prevent saddam from using weapons of mass destruction.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you see... hundreds of thousands'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't see where you could have gotten those numbers except off a jihadist web site'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'are you a jihadist, Ranrr?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't even know what that is.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then you are ill equiped for ANY debate on killing, and Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Tdebate A simple google shows numbers between 100k and 1 million. '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I might even go so far as to say you are ignorant, but that word has undeserved extra meaning'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The simple fact is that the US has no reason to be in iraq, they started a war on false ground, and they are killing civilians.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we had lots of reason to be in Iraq.  Kill the bully [check] - liberate the people [check] - kill people who don't like us and are trying to kill us [check]'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, those are justifications, not reasons.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we DID have the oil all lined up, but Obama has pissed that advantage away to british and scandinavian countries'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Theft, I guess that falls under justification too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and with your 100,000 to 1,000,000 number... what were the number BEFORE the US invaded?  how many of those dead were killed by non-US forces?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how many Jurds did Saddam kill?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'kurds'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's irrelevant. You can't justify your killings by comparing yourself with another killer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the Halabja poison gas attack killed or injured 20,000 in ONE attack!'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that was saddam killing his own people'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes...so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... but when there's a bully on the playgound, and you're the biggest kid... you take action.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Then the US should have left iraq after they killed saddam. But they are still there, 10 years later.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'End of debate, for me, gotta afk.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could be two s, two n, two e, etc...'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pffffbt, more silliness of kids and parents being arrested for nerf guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and will Hilary survive the Benghazi debalacle?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what about the poor little rabbits?  how ever will they survive the coming apocolyps!'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as rabbit stew'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in ma belly'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be no apocalypse, only suffering and poverty'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'benghazi is being buried by 90% of the media - no media, no Benghazi'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'do you think its possible do make a "nanosuit" that takes care of you in every way?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what is a nanosuit?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'from far cruy'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a very-very tiny suit?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no. crysis'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Time to break out the nanobikinis?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it possible? no'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simply put'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm. there is not enough that scientific knowledge yet you think?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i want a suit that feeds me, keeps me warm and takes care of the "duties"'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even close'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jay Carne is tap dancing his fool ass off'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who>'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Obama's press secretary - he's doing a press release'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he is stating as a matter of record that obama immediatly called it a terrortist attack and immediatley brought the full weight of the US's resources to bear on the situation as it was happeninng'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a liar'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it will be said over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and will indeed become fact.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has no need to protect himself, just sling hiliary and some udnerlings to the wolves'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hilary is the great hope of our nation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'she has to survive'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so she can save us'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck no, all the dribbling liberals would vote for her'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'liberals will saaaaave us... must saaaaaave us... uhhhhhhhhhhhh....   saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaave us'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he is also accusing republicans of "heavily politicizing" the whole thing.......'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, like obama didn't heavily politicize the death of 20 children, the fucking hypocrit'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'every time a politician wipes his ASS, it's politicised... they're all f-ing bastards'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be a whitewash, it'll come down to incompetancy'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyone who seeks election is defective.  maybe - MAYBE - one in a thousand are altuistic or idealistic... the other 999 are fuck-nuts'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't come out that it was a standdown to enable heat seaking missiles to get into the hand of al-qaeda'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'screw all the conspiracy crap... this is just plain incompetance, and cover-up of incompetence.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what is being said'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'HOWEVER'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be happy with a result of getting rid of Hilary'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and also, when Al-Quaeda shoots down a western passenger plane and people are wondering where they got the missiles from, and the establishment are using it to take away more liberties, just remember i told you so'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not going to happen... you could catch hillary COLD with her lips wrapped around obama's cock - pictures and everything, and everyone would believe it was some kind of repubican smear campaign'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you're screwed, because nothing and nobody is accountable for anything they do'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not so much that they are not accountable (not disagreeing with you) - it's that they can't actually be accused of anything and have it stick.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well here's something... 5 out of the 6 major news agencies in the US (MSNBC Excluded) are reporting that the talking points were indeed changed on SEP 12 to remove all reference to terrorism...  to which Carney is say "that's not true", to which the news agencies are saying "yes.  They WERE changed... quit lying"'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '5/6ths of the news agencies calling Carney a lier is pretty significant'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets hope so'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it is illuminating, it tells you the WH is flustered'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess the bull shit got a little too deep even for ABC'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, that's deeop'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they actually put down the "obama pom-poms" for a minute'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, perhaps they're sniffing the writing on the wall, seeing many republicans ditch the middle ground for the tea party, and are looking to move into the sapec'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'space*'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'While I support most of the Tea Partie's platform - they have been vilified and assasinated to the point of irrelevance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only good thing about them is Ted Cruz and Rand Paul'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amused med that Harry Reid referred to Ted Cruz as a 'schoolyard bully' for basically doing what congressmen are SUPPOSED to do'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e for doing his job, unlike the rest of them'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congressmen/senators'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'politicians are all son's of bitches'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'they all have to play a game.  Some (Paul, Cruz) at least attempt to play it with a little ethics...  most don't bother.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if they're imperfect, they should be supported for at least making a pretense at ethics, and the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'politicians are beyond imperfect... just different levels of corrupt'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to the point of '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to the point of "there has to be a better way"'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I do not have any faith in washington'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they don't do their job - they smile and wave - and then they don't do their job some more.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so hold their feet to the fire'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'naw... they are too entrenched - they are beyond reproach, and accountable only to themselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '"politicians all suck, but don't expect ME to do anything about it!!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught whines pathetically about everything.
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they say pretty words and kiss brat babies to get elected, then sit on their collective ass while they plot their next election '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have to say - I feel pretty powerless.... let's take my particualt part of the country... all the people I know work for a living, dislike liberals, and pay taxes... yet, when the election comes, the busses drive around the neighborhoods gathering up all the welfare cases and take them to vote...  when there are less workers voting than free loaders, the outcome is inevitable'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how many people did you take to the polls last election?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '13'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you have early voting where you live?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and my wife watched their kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only for disabled free loaders'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uh-huh'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and disabled not-freeloaders, to be fair'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'now who's lying?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you have to have a disability to do early voting'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'where is this?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'without being specific... south'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that doesn't help much'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as specific as I care to get - nothing personal'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'can't check your claim with that ambiguity'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but for the sake of argument let's say you're telling the truth - so you had 1 day and took 13 people'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'pathetic'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '12, actually'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got let out of work an hour early... polls were open till 2000'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'made three trips - polls closed'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you apparently have all the time in the world to trash the system, but can't be bothered to put some investment into fixing it'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was only a three mile trip, so no real hardship.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so take the day off'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I trash the system HERE, because there's nothing much else to do HERE.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah and you're wasting your time then when you could be making a difference'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the issue?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'We're changing the world by whining about people whining about..erm.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hey.. I've used that line on the whiners who complain about having to play on a phone because they can't afford DSL'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the issue is arm chair quarterbacks fragging their own rather than shutting up and putting up'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada goes "WHEE!" and dances around Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for the record - I retired from the Military after a quarter centry of "making a difference."  I'm entitled (yes... that's the "E" word) to a little whine'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that's not the point, is it... everyone should be more involved'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you voted for someone who didn't win, you're allowed to complain all you want during the next 2-4-6 years, I think.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'myself included'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I have no problem with whining. What you do is different. You spend your time completely trashing everyone you don't agree with and still can't be bothered to get off your own lazy ass'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my lazy ass is retired... I get to have a laxy ass'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as for "trashing"... there isn't much point to a debate if you don't disagree, and strongly argue (or "trash" as you prefer) the opposing view, is there?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there is a question of degree'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not like I don't stop and read what's being said by the other.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can be involved between elections by calling to harang your reps on issues being voted on'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider it, evaluate it, and then either agree, or disagree. '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '60 minutes did an expose on that about 5 years ago....'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for the most part, EVERY letter gets read....  buy an 18 year old intern.  issues are tallied on a score sheet, and the principal gets a nice graph of the letters he's been sent.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'You could even run for office yourself... but I wouldn't want you to have to do any work now that you're retired and think everyone else should do things for you instead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BIG ones like "your son knocked up my daughter" get personal attention'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't recall ever expecting any to do "everything" for me... that's really poor debate manners... saying I said something, or am thinking something that I am not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you're entitled to be lazy, remember?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... but I can also afford to be lazy. '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't say I am entitled to be lazy and have someone take care of me.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am quite self sufficient'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I cook and clean for my family.  I keep a vegetable garden and tend the lawn.  I go down to the corner store for lunch 2-3 times a week... and I am quite lazy'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there are a myriad of options to try and improve the system and each one you're claiming you can't be bothered with because you're "retired" '
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's pretty much the same response I ever see from people who bitch about politics - or most things for that matter - they want change, but they don't want to contribute... they have shit to do, or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am retired, and that confers a certain amount of leisure - but I still do plenty.  I help out at local political events and I'm manning a polling place next year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it confers whatever you want it to'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it COULD confer plenty of time to get active in politics'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm going to leave a parting shot, and I'm not going to get your response, so that's a bit dirty, but I have to make supper.... I busted my ass my whole life - working in some really shitty places for benifit of America - I'm busted up, tired, and am enjoying a bit of the fruit I worked so hard for.  If you have a problem with that, that is your issue.  I for one have a VERY nice sleep each evening.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not your fault the complete fucking mess peers your age have made of the world'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have the same issue with my parents and some of my friends their age, it wasn't their specific fault, though it was their generation's fault'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boy, those shale oil wells sure do die off big after 1 year of production....'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why do you say that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a new shale well produced almost 1000 barrels of oil per day....the largest gusher in 60 70 years in Texas....'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'after about 6 months it dropped to 600 barrels a day, and now it maintains at about 200 barrels a day....still damn good for the permian basin....most permian basin wells START at 200 to 300.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'More to drill, more to spill...'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aren't they basically driven by water pressure (fracking)?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the fracking doesnt create ongoing pressure, it is used to crack the shale rock to allow more oil to seep into the well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the beginning a well might have some pressure, but it will bleed off pretty quick, then you use a donkey to pull up the oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ohhh!  So that's what you mean by donkey love!'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love the different colors of light sweet crude....'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in north dakota they are finding a more red-orange color light sweet crude, but in West Texas, it is more light orange to light green light sweet crude.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does it make a difference?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm having a hard time getting mad about anything here'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, as long as the sulphur content is low, it doesnt really matter.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you making any money on oil, Von Liege?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost 60% of saudi arabia's crude production is now high sulphur crude....which is worth less then light sweet crude.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I probobly am.. I have a few well diversified mutal funds... I only mean that I come to this channel to argue... to debate.  I'm finding no debate here'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'more US oil... good... no debate'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless we can argue about the utter lack of infrastructure that is going in behind the massive increase in populations in places like ND'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will eventually catch up to the boom.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or perhaps the insanely abhorant safety standards for the workers (I know... they're getting a butt-ton of $$$)'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in a few years there will be enough housing, maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it really depends on how fast production increases.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bah... those are weak arguments... no meat for debate there wither'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'either'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you go to ND for an oil driving job though....bring an RV.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how about the influx of big trucking companies into the oil fields pushing down pay standards ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'competition is good.  I read that in a book somewhere.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only if quality stays at par or better.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I was rather distracted by the pictures, though, since I wasn't really looking at it for the articles.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's not even any perma frost to irreperably damage in ND (though the locals may debate the definition of "perma frost")'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont have a problem with big trucking companies though, it gives people with little experience a chance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most big trucking companies self insure, so that they can hire people with little experience and train them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the smaller outfits cant do that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drive crude for a big company for 6 months to a year, learn the area, etc, then move on to a higher paying smaller company.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but driving crude is the ultimate in job security, unlike drilling....drilling is boom and bust.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course the drilling boom this time could last decades or more, since there is so much oil to get at.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'montana is drilling 35,000 wells in the next 20 years, north dakota is doing 60,000, texas is doing 80,000 in the next 30 years, add in oklahoma, ohio, kansas, south dakota, wyoming, california, lousiana, missouri, indiana, and illinois...and drilling could be here a long ass time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of the opec oil that the US was importing is now heading to India/China and Asian countries in general....so even if we produced most of our own oil, the world price is still going to be high, and thus your gasoline costs will also stay high.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and Canada really needs to build a pipeline to the west coast of Canada, and start exporting tar sands oil to Asia.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That would increase the value of their oil by at least $15 per barrel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if it would be cheaper to build a railroad line from the tar sands to the western coast of Canada instead....then they can ship goods east, and oil west.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where's our south african mafia?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyone?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yakuza?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'humph'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kinda ironic.....occidental petroleum company depends on co2 to inject into their wells in west texas to increase production, but there is a shortage of co2 supplies.......how about tapping all that co2 produced from natgas and coal power plants ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'logistics?'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so far oxy has been producing all of its co2 in its natgas fields in west texas, it has a reserve of 6.5 trillion cubic feet of co2 in its natgas fields, but natgas field production is not enough to drill more oil wells, thus leaving 1 billion barrels of reserves unavailable for production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'co2 injection can increase oil production by at least 30 % in most oil wells.'
T3/r7/2013-05-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Enron is back in business!'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone else amused like i was at  a senior British barrister calling for the age of consent to be reduced to 13 to 'spare the persecution of the elderly"'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'turns out that homeownership creates unemployment.'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm sure I'm missing a few of the "dots" that you have connected'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'homeowners, they think, are more willing to stay put, be more willing to commute to farther jobs, and generate promote "not in my backyard" efforts that negatively impact regional businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://finance.yahoo.com/news/challenge-dogma-owning-home-182926523.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok....  pretty far reaching... lemme have a look'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it centers around the rate of homeownership in a region.'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I didn't get the impression that the author of the article was even convinced... he didn't end with an opinion on the issue.  If it IS the case, I don't see much to be done about it.   If it were an abolute, irrefutable FACT, then it would likely result in some sort of "no home for you" legislation... I just don't see what's to be done about it one way or the other.'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would put that solidly in the same catagory as "xxx MAY cause cancer"'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not at 186!  It takes hours to go 186 to 200... but you havn't budged!'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Mistell'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Defiance.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You know, if the Votans had the power to terraform a planet...why didnt they just terraform Mars ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a there is a wookie on Defiance!'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bio-man!'
T3/r7/2013-05-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all muscles, no brain!'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these are the sort of headlines that make tinfoil-hat haters look dumb: "Biometric Database of All Adult Americans Hidden in Immigration Reform Bill"'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where, exactly, did you come across that headline?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/05/immigration-reform-dossiers/'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'an wired hasn't been know to throw out a "tin-hat" story now and then?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'infact, I'd say they run quite a few somewhat-sensationalized conjecture based stories'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's very entertaining'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'often conjecture-based stories have the kernals of vital facts that appear way before any other news station is reporting them, such as the bullets story'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'according to FBI docs, any message stored on cloud servers, such as GMail, Hotmail, Yahoo, or Facebook are subject to warrantless access by the government. Email downloaded onto local machines using clients such as Outlook would require a warrant to access'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the justification is that if they are in the cloud, they are considered to be in the hands of a third party, and thus treated the same as being in the hands of an accountant or attorney (example), which means they can grab the data with a subpoena'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, they are also now recording all traffic, which makes it somewhat null, but there are differences with regards to what is admissable in evidence in court, so they could find information out using their record-everything intelligence gathering, then use that information to subpoena/get warrants'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'managed to keep "jihad" and "crusades" out of it'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vampfox: 'SSSSPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love papa johns...such good customer service.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I destroy my enemy, when I make him my friend.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'technically true'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but less satisfying'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they really doing door-to-door searches in new orleans because some druggies took a pop at some other druggies?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seems a bit of an overeaction given nobody is dead'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we had a shootout with college kids because they killed 2-3 people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cool'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you win?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing, missed the entire thing because we were forced to stay home.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps one of the most elightening moments of my life was several years ago - while living in Italy - we had a burglary (we were home), when the Carbonari (italian police) arrived, once they saw no one was hurt, they closed the case, and no chase was given. - The violation of our personal space, and the loss of property was of no consequence to them - America apparently has a much higher sense of "personal vilolatoin."'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have entire product recalls because someone stubs their toe.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Our landlord was later made to pay a fine for not having adequate locks on the windows.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'different cultures, different priorities'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't help any that you were American.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps not... but after asking around a bit, we were not treated abnormally.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"petty crime" is just an accepted fact of life there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but crime in Italy isn't the point... Different priorities was the point I was making... someone from another part of the world might not understand why the cops in New Orleans are so keen to catch a couple drug dealers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they needed someone to rape, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'explain that'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just a pointless, antagonistic comment, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some lady called 911 for, like, a domestic disturbance or something (no big deal, right?).  The cops show up, investigate, take statements, etc, then one cop gives money to the lady's gimp boyfriend so he can hobble down to the store to get some bottled water (cop refused to drink the tap water).  The cop's partner walks the guy out, then the cop with the lady raped both her holes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I see... and that happens often in New orleans?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a few minutes later, she comes running out of the house hysterical about how the cop raped her, followed by her rapist who was tuckin in his shirt.  He ends up grabbing her by the hair/shoulders, and she ends up accidentally kicking the partner.  This lead to her arrest for assaulting an officer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was from Michigan, I think, and cop coverups happen a lot more often than you think.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again... this is a frequent occurance?  What I'm asking, is based on what you know, it happens often enough that if you hear that a cop in New Orleans is chasing a drug dealer, you feel enlightened enough about the way things work that you can assume the cops are looking for someone to rape.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is that what ou're saying?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'That cop coverups happen often would be a plausible statement, thoguh.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I'm not saying that at all.  Cops never get charged with crimes like rape.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seems kinda dumb for a cop to be doing that.....a cop should be shaking down the drug dealers to pad his retirement fund.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boars head meats are pretty good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I'd go with "pretty good" as in 7.5 outa 10... better'n the oscar meyer mass-produced stuff... but coin for coin.. I'd have to go with the oscar meyer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, mug rootbeer with real sugar....'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, smoking ban in Texas restaurants....'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'huh...German soldiers and Allied troops fought side-by-side in WW2...'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'did they eat the bones ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they (along with french VIP prisoners and their wives/mistresses) defended a medieval castle against a Panzer grenadier division sent to recapture it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, I want to go to an amish grocery...but there are none around here....:('
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if police would still arrest someone for witchcraft in massachusetts.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Probably not.  They would be the laughingstock of their station.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lot's of nicknames to be had for that one'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, not much surprised me about massachusetts...'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it time, in the wake of the IRS political scandal, to close the department and hand control of tax collection tot he states?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we are not so loosly confederated - the federal gov would then have to collect $$ from the states - or go back to tarrifs'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the states would act as tax collection agents for them'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it would just mean more beurocracy'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's..... not strictly true'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'money would go from A (me) to B (state) to C (fed)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, another shale deposit was found UNDER 2 other shale deposits in the permian basin of west Texas......There is oil everywhere!'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... that planet is a veritable ball of grease floating in space'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, that doesn't mean it's more beurocratic - there becomes a size above which organisations lose economies of scale and gain hinderanecs'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the british NHS is a good example'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so far they found shale deposits at 7000 feet, 10,000 feet, AND now at 13000 feet down.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt they will also find it at 16,000 feet as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So far there are about 10 known shale deposits in the West Texas zone....including the new one.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ranging from 5000 feet down to 13,000 feet, in random places around the permian basin.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose I am obligated to say "LIAR!"  there is NO shale in TEXAS!!!!  but what's the point.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if you're a democrat, vl'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because of course there is... so what did you want to debate?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, some people would say since there is only 2 years of oil production in the whole permian basin if the US didnt import oil from canada or mexico, that we shouldnt drill it....'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is the same excuse for why we havent been drilling in Alaska....even though there is proven deposits of over 60 billion barrels there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... here's a debate - LEAVE THE TX, AK and ND oil alone.... buy up all the mexican, canadian, and butt-krackistan oil and burn it... then when that's all gone, drill our own and don't share it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously... I say burn everyone elses oil while it's cheap (relitivily)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but importing oil is costing US more money then producing it at home. :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hold what we have as a "reserve"... it's silly to deny it exists... but leave it there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure it is... but look at the long game'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the long game, we wont be needing oil anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'because we'll all be zombies?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no point in sending $700 billion a year to foreign countries for oil when we can save at least 2/3 of that by producing our own.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'better to pay what...we'll say $100 a barrel for THEIR oil now, than burn ours all up and pay $300 a barrel for theirs tommorow... or WORSE!  don't buy their oil and let the Chinese get it for $100 a barrel'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, the difference will be....our oil will be worth a lot more then....:P'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to your point about not needing oil in the long game... as long as there is a drop of oil to be burned on this planet, we will need oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we still pay market value even though we produce it here at home...minus $15 discount.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It's like when my brother and I each got a treat as kids... we'd eat my brother's first... then I'd eat mine... win win for me.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think the discount is closer to $10 now though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the discount will disappear once Canada starts exporting oil to other countries, and not just the US'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I say WE burn the rest of the world's oil first, then WE burn OUR oil later.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all the while recognizing that we WILL burn that oil (as opposed to the greenies who would just as soon deny its existence, and go all solar, or wind or what ever)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I used to think that way, until I realized how much oil there actually is.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by the time we dont need oil, there will still be lots left in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we will still be sitting on the largest pile of oil in the world, with no market for it except plastics.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'goes back to what I said earlier - as long as there is oil to burn... we will need to burn it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we wont be burning it, new technology will replace the need to burn oil.....oil will be used to make chemicals and plastics mainly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'call it lazy, call it neo conservative, call it provicial... if there's oil, we will burn it... alternatative energy don't have a chance till all the oil is gone'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'alternative energy is like the ugly younger sister... as long as long-legged, sexy older sister is at home - ugly sister ain't getting no dates'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and when that happens, we will have sent well over $50 trillion to other countries to buy their oil instead of using our own when we had the chance before technology replaced the need for it. :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the military alone will use that oil.... do you seriously see a Prius replacing a HMMWV in this centry?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or how about an M1 tank?  I don't see them going nuclear any time soon.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and then theres's lubrication - an atamic aircraft carrier may run on uranium, but it still needs petrolium products for lubrication... ALOT of petrolium... and JET-A for the planes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the feds put a ban on development of the Green River Basin in Colorado also.....which is smaller than the Permian Basin of West Texas, but has 5x the amount of oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Oil will have value for ALONG time'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the GRB is the largest deposit of oil in the world, at about 1.7 trillion barrels.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Horn River shale deposit in British Columbia Canada is estimated to have around 250 trillion cubic feet of natgas....newly discovered a few years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, bilderberg this year are going to talk about the manufacturing revolution of 3d printing and how to prevent the democratization of production'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says it all'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's something to consider, and I'm not exactly taking a stand on the issue... just consider - how many people do you know (work with, neighbors or family with, etc...) that just absolutly have no business making gnupower in their basement... they're either too stupid, too reckless, or maybe, in some cases, too irresponsible for such an activity.... NOW, apply the same logic to making guns in their bedroom.  Just think about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'is this a trick question?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'although guns aren't explosively volatile'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... it's just that we can't judge an entire issue through our own eyes... I for one would get a real kick outa printing a gun all on my own... but I KNOW that I wouldn't do anything stupid with it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so I'd prefer you make guns instead of gunpowder'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'either way... neither guns or gunpoweder are the actuall issue'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the question was phrased initialyl without guns being the context'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the concept of banning something you can do in your basement has always been somewhat fucked, however. whether it's smoking pot, burning CDs, whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can't outlaw it and accomplish anything constructive'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's actually no need to outlaw it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so long as "government" (such that it is) comes down like a ton of rock when someone goes about hurting someone else.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '3d printing is going to be as big a deal as the industrial revolution'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consequense is the real issue.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'this is the tip of the iceberg'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want to stifle 3d printing period, because they're FASCISTS'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you get it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's pretty dramitic...'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I understand why business is afraid of it, and therefore lobby against it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government already control the means of production in many sectors, this threatens that control'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like I said... no issue... as long as there is consequence for crime.'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it really is that simple, it has nothing to do with safety or crime'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '2d printing is the industrial revolution in everyone's basement'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'err, 3d I mean'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is precious little consequence these days'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we're going to have things to worry about which far exceeds printing guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's always a strawman around the next corner'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather than play whack-a-mole... why can't we just stop and fix one thing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just one thing... not patch it, or rig it... just fix it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'as if it were that easy :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you want to fix?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people don't even agree on WHAT needs fixing, never mind HOW to fix it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i was trying to tease a problem out'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do we solve the problem of authoritarian fascist government encroachment?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'problem is human nature'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'solution: kill all humans'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I win'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'lucky for me I'm a triton'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tritons will be killed next week'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'oh no!'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'France is to tax smartphone sales, woot!'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=J64fkwNDwAE  - CNN calling for a police state'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where would this channel be without it's daily dose of reporting on WH propoganda?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm... I missed the part where they called for a police state.. can I get a specific time?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole piece is arguing for more manned surveillance cameras in administration hands'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I saw a report on video surveillance... and at around 2:20 the point is made there needs to be a balance between surveillance and privacy'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I didn't see anyone actually call for a police state'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why are people whinging about Iran being the chair of UN arms control forum'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seriously is that how you interpret that report?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that how YOU interpret it? take one soundbite and use that to disprove the tone of the entire rest of the article?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you had a 300 page novel and 2 pages were funny, would you classify it as a comedy if the rest of it was a horror?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I interpret it as a report on video surveillance'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there wasn't a pro/con position'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I think one of the problems is the level of overall paranoia these days'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the headlines you'd be right to be paranoid'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'naw'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'aren't they?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'miss'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government cocks things up, screws people over, tramples rights, and spys on everyone, and WE get the bill'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you hadn't noticed, the world is going to shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well again you're wrong. All in all the world improves'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly ain't improving here'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lesse, relative living standards and real terms wages at the lowest level since the 1970s, life expectancy dropping, outlook for the next generation the worst in nearly a century'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you're right, the people who've cocked it up this badly, we should trust them with all our money, and to invade our privacy'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess if those are your only measurements, then the world would seem pretty bad off'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no other measurements that are relevent'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'of course not '
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'like I said... people don't even agree on what the problems are ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could measure education (standards going down)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm, health? again, now going down'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but all the liberals are pacified because gay people can now marry, woot'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I take a considerably broader approach'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'unfortunately I have to run for a few minutes or I'd get into it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your broader approach is not relevent to me, nor to the majority of people'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, if you get back, enlighten us, but i think you're going to struggle to convince anyone'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ut oh, "Government taps press phone records - 20 phone lines monitored. AP: Massive and unprecedented intrusion"'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'now THAT is a problem :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not expecting anyone to be terribly surprised'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is a problem, irs was a problem, benghazi is a problem, and here's a prediction that nobody of any kind of seniority will be held accountable for any of it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently part of the ongoing clampdown by the administration on whistleblowers'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because people aren't supposed to rat out corrupt practices'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got a link?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'irs is a problem, benghazi is a fuckup but not a conspiracy, and yeah nobody is going to get into much trouble for either of them'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well not Obama anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is the objective'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'israeli news resources are reporting a sizeable israeli air and ground buildup in/near the Golan Heights'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can't find any articles about the wire taps'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is this the US government?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess AP can kiss goodbye to a bunch of their confidential sources'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, was the US government. Wiretapping isn't the correct term, it was a wide-ranging secret record swipe not in accordance with normal practices '
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like the comments better than the story: Who NEEDS 20 phone lines anyways? Ban all high capacity phone systems and register all assault phones! If it can save just one life....'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'have you considered turning off the news and taking a break for a few weeks or so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reality is far more exciting than fiction'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and less believable - fiction has to hold together and be self-consistent'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or in your case damaging to your health I'm thinking'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reality is damaging to everyone's health'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody gets out of life alive'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to know how "not reading the news" would help'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just for a few weeks of course'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'less stressful, etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't be less stressful, there'd be no outlet for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no outlet for what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stress'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well the point was you accumulate more stress by consuming more of this material'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'd be a misnomer'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'reading about stressful stuff makes you less stressed out?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, it provides a target for the blame and the anger'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so you're already angry in general and reading about stuff that makes you more angry helps to relieve the anger?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said it makes me more angry?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'however you want to phrase it the material is antagonistic'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and somehow that makes you LESS antagonized?'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't think you've thought this through'
T3/r7/2013-05-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'works just fine for me, i'd rather live in the light'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'The Minnesota State Senate has approved same-sex marriage and Gov. Mark Dayton is expected to sign it into law tomorrow. Meanwhile Minnesota's 6th congressional district representative Michele Bachmann will soon be placed on suicide watch.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'woohoo! weaponized drones from China!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'people 'hire' handicap people as tour guides at Disney Land so they can cut to front of lines.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'smart'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'immoral'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but still smart'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure - if you have no concience.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess it's also "smart" to steal everything you need instead of paying for it... if you can get away with it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I have zero problem with it.  In the end, some handicapped people get some money to help them through life, and they get to enjoy time in Disneyland.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Oh the horror.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not more immoral than buying yourself something else that benefits you and not the others..'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'wouldn't surprise me if the same ppl also spend more money once inside as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The really smart thing is not to go to Disneyland at all? :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "guides" are being pimped by a "faggan"'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'exploitation of the handicap'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'If they could they'd probably go back to a life without handicap'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but this at least gives them a little more income'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most, surly... but then there are the ones who desparetly milk the system to get the golden "handicap" title.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there will always be that kind of ppl. Most of which are probably also without handicap.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and making extra money at Disney as "guides"'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think what you object to here is really the fact that some ppl falsely gets the handicap title, not that some handicapped ppl earn extra money at Disney Land'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It bothers me that there is a "faggan" out there exploiting handicap people by pimping them out at Disney land (and the false handicaps, too)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sorry what is a "faggan"?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Incidentally, I haven't the faintest what a 'faggan' is, and can find nothing easily via Google.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Every effort should be made to make the world accessable to handicap people... that's golden.  But when handicap people take advantage of that by hauling 20 of their "closest friends and family" to the front of the line at Disney... that's crap'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Nor can I really find any news articles about systemic abuse of the disability system at Disneyland.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Basically, sir, bunk.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Faggan" is a reference to "Oliver Twist"... it is an adult that runs a gang of child-pickpockets, and takes 99% for the money they steal'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '... that's Fagin.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/disney_world_srich_kid_outrage_zTBA0xrvZRkIVc1zItXGDP'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know what I ment'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Come on, if you're going to reference literally works, at least do it RIGHT.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .my bad.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think I ever read it (saw it in print).. I only ever saw the play'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that's excellent. Yet another thing for rich ppl to spend their money on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose that's another aspect of it that I find bothersome... the "elitism" of it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Don't see anything about an intermediary in that story.  Also, if they're willing to pay $130+ an hour for fast entrance, more power to 'em.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "travel agent" was being reported on the news'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Vonliege, do you also not approve of first class tickets?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the whole society is constructed around different solutions for those with lots of money and those with less'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm ok with that... doesn't really interfere with my coach class seats....  But if I'm waiting 2 hours in line for a ride, and 10 able bodied people skip right to the front.. spr of chaps my arse'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I see why you get upset, I think. But if they added a fast lane where the tickets cost $100 extra you wouldn't be so upset.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm also perfectly ok with wealth, and the comforts it confers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'meaning Disney Land take the profit, not the handicapped - who btw might be using the system.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... I'm Ok with that... they have the FASTPASS at six flags... we've gone with and without it... '
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'They still do fast-track, yes?  Use that on the rides you care about, and go sit in the cooled Pirates of the Caribbean or Haunted Mansion or whatever for the 45 minutes it takes for it to pop.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's the abuse of the system that bothers me most'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and.. for handicap advocates, this will hurt the handicap in the long run... Disney will be forced to adjust their policy... maybe only alow a single companion instead of a family for the handicap.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I very much doubt it happens a significant amount of the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or maybe not even allow a single companion... maybe assign a park escort'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and let the handicapped sit inside alone for a few hours until the rest of the ppl make it in?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well it's sort of new... only breaking in the news this morning.. might have been going on for a while, but as far as the masses are concerned.. it only starts as of the day the media picks it up'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'priority queues suck rather because they let you know, what you always knew all along. You are worth less than someone with cash.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's true, all the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's another example of the market poking its nose into areas where, in the past, they would have been distasteful'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'six flags and disney do not exist for our amusement (despite the term "amusement park") - they exist to make money.  and that makes people WITH money worth more to them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'next thing up, we will be selling blood and body organs for cash -- oh, no, wait we already did this'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you can buy most things with money. Fancy houses and cars, trinkets, loyalty, healthcare. Why not also shorten the line to Disney Land?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then just buy the FASTTRACK ticket.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I agree with you, ElFeneri, healthcare should not be dependent on ability to pay, and people should all join the same queue'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I disagree - I believe the ability to advance, to excell, to earn more - should be rewarded.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but I disagree with "Gaming" the lines at Disney'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'excel at what Vonliege? Ability to make cash is only one small thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it can't all be black and white, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and where has this lead us? as a cute quote, we have the brights minds of our generation working out how to get people to click adds'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ads'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they don't even keep score in my daughters gym class less someone be labeld the "loser".'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'excellence should be rewarded in all areas'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when ever someone IS labeld a loser, rather than strive to be better, and NOT be a loser, society allows them to say "not my fault."'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'unless you come up with ideas where you exploit your weakness such as your handicap for instance?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they aren't being "better"... they are abusing the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Why point out losers? Isn't it better so just point out the winners?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'You should point out the winners, yes... but you are not allowed to because if there is a winner... someone is likely a loser, and that's not allowed'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ultimately, the statement that we should point out winners or losers is pretty vacuous, unless you describe how you determine who is who'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and then recognise that mostly things would change if we changed the rules'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'obviously we need to teach our kids to be cutthroats so they can function as proper dog-eat-dog adults'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, if they change the rules for Olympic swimming, so that, for instance, everyone could wear flippers of a defined size, the world leader boards would change over night, because "having big feet" would not longer be the killer advantage that it is now'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, when we venerate record breaking swimmers, we are saying "he had the courage, the determination, the stamina, and the very large feet"'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'society in general has the same problem now -- if we define winners as those who make the most cash -- this is pretty shallow and a bad model'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's life though, right? the winners ARE the ones who make the most cash, have the most stuff'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The school I work at caters to the children of a lot of well-to-do people, and I've spoken to them (the parents) on many occasions. I agree entirely, they're rich, but they're certainly not winners.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'Charlie Sheen is rich and is winning.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah, but he has black magic on his side. :('
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well we can come up with exceptions to the rule, but generally speaking the winners are the materialists, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Only depending on the shallowness of your definition of winning.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well if we're going to have twenty definitions depending on everyone's personal conceptualization of what it means to succeed in life, what's the point to trying to define terms at all?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Money ruins more people than it elevates, and ruined people leave ruined legacy of spoiled children that can't wipe their own ass. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'To define a subjective term? There isn't.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'apparently all terms are subjective'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Success is the achievement of personal goals, so by its very nature, is subjective and beyond an all-encompassing definition.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so if my personal goal is to become a narcotics addict, all I have to do is get into a pain management program and I'm a winner??'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In your own mind, sure.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well my own mind doesn't qualify as a working definition'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Look at Charlie Sheen. The guy was heffed up on 30kilos of heroin and still declaring himself a winner. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh christ forget about charlie sheen... that's a loser if I ever saw one'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Lol, if you absolutely have to define it then why not just go with "Success is the achievement of one's personal goals", it takes into account the subjectivity of people's views on success by allowing for leeway within the definition as to what those goals are, yet still sets a standard for success.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Whether society views you as a success, at the end of the day, is a moot point if you're happy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'now you're just saying being happy = winner'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how many different goal posts we going to set up here?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If your drug addict example is happy being a quivering wreck in the gutter, is he less or more successful than the multi-billionare that cries himself to sleep every night?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'do these non-ass-wiping, bedtime crying billionaires actually exist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Unimportant. Answer the question. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which one?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"If your drug addict example is happy being a quivering wreck in the gutter, is he less or more successful than the multi-billionare that cries himself to sleep every night?''
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'on the one where you want to know if one hypothetical, hyperbolic individual is more or less a winner than another hypothetical, hyperbolic individual?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'I'd say it is pretty relevant whether such a billionaire exists.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess they're BOTH successful so long as that's the life they want'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I don't agree, Craigath. The question is meant to create a hypothetical relationship between happiness & success, not answer an existing problem. Replace the Billionaire with anyone who society deems to be successful and the question would still work.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well if you have a link to a profile of an actual billionaire who can't wipe his/her own ass - except for the disables ones of course, which I would think we can exclude from the discussion - I'm happy to look into it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly Onslaught, which reinforces the subjectivity of success.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which just makes the term meaningless '
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Which means there is no true measure of success beyond achieving what you want in life.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'EVERYONE is a success'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'everyone is a winner'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Unless they don't meet their own goals. There're lots of unhappy people in the world, so I wouldn't say everyone's a winner'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the point is that success is not a measure of merit -- we currently seem to argue that we are a meritocracy, because the successful people have all the cash. But this is a circular argument. Having a debate about the nature of success is important.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Society tells us that success = money, hot wife, nice car; People don't achieve that, they think they're losers, they become unhappy. I don't have lots of money, a hot wife or a nice car, but I'm happy. Does that make me a loser? Or does it mean society's views of success are different than mine?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I agree. But there can be an objective measure of success. I would suggest well-rounded individuals - socially empathic, educated, self-confident individuals who are capable of supporting themselves and possibly a family unit are "successful" at life'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'See, I'd agree with you but I wouldn't call that success. I know it sounds like semantics, because it is, but being socially empathetic, educated, and self-confident. Success, to me, is a long-term thing, while what you're describing (if you'll excuse my Sheen-ism) is winning.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well getting to that point is going to be a relatively long-term objective'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and in some ways it never really ends'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Truuf, bruv.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'bruv?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me throw a word out there - "Contentment" - THAT is how I measure success... I am content with what I have.  I have been successful in that I am content.  I am content with someone else being able to afford a first class ticket - I do not begrudge them their success.  I am content that I don't get to eat steak every night - I have good tasty food that I am content with.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'bro + guv = bruv.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'broguv?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry I don't know that reference :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I watch too many British movies. It's slang. :('
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well yeah'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I just don't get it and I am too lazy to look it up atm'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'was hoping you'd enlighten me :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shortbus Stutz: 'don't taze me bruv!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bruv, no way!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh fuck me... fine I'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'will go look'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bro you probably know, "Don't taze me, bro" and all that. Guv is a cockney term that can be kinda used the same way.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They throw it at the end of things in a respectful way, "Good mornin', guv"'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I know guv.. guv'nor... etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Then there ya go, bruv.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wow... so it's just been dumbed down?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hasn't everything?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'touche'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'divorce Twinkie.. marry me!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that was supposed to be on ftalk'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No way, most of my Aardgear is his and he doesn't expect me to share it with him.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I have aard gear!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and cookies!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I know fae wuv cookies!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Psh. Please foo', I'm in Daoine. We have more cookies than you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you wish'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But it IS delicious.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Mis'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what's the point of "no explore" rooms... to let people feel good about haveing a 100% withough having to do the goal, or to "super hide" some rooms?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's fun and puzzles and all... but no explore rooms are like imaginary squares on a crossword... or and extra invisible row on a checkerboard'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is what propted my earlier statement in QA... there should be SOME absolutes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I, personally, speaking for myself, and not imposing my desires and standard on anyone else... would find it much more sporting to be stuck with 173 out of 174 rooms explored, and tring REALLY hard to find that LAST f-ing room!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but the hidden room in Thandeld isn't noexplore'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I have 1 room in war zone unexplored and it's pissing me off I can't find it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's a hidden down exit I think'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what I know:  I had never been in that room, and my room count was 173 befor and after going into it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'someone suggested it may be the newbie dueling room... which is great so now I have to set alias remort warrior - echo remember to duel someone when you remort asshat'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Vonliege: You probably explored that room in Mirror Real'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Mirror Realm*'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's mirror realm?  no "help mirror realm"'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'help Thandeld, last line'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or help area replacements'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... looks like conflict went in sometime in mid-march... I was playing then, so it's possible'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll go with that - I explored it while it was still called 'mirror realm''
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yep, so you explored it then and according to the mud you have that room explored. It just changed name and moved a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the room is exploreable'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'name had to have changed as well, but the number stayed the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or the name stayed, but the number changed'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or my mapper is corupt... there's always that'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I had Thandeld explored 100% before going there because I had explored Mirror Realm. You can purge it though and start over at 0%.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'are you nuts!?   =)  I busted my arse to get that explored befor there was a wiki map!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news out of the IRS keeps getting better'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would say our Tax service is better, but it's just incompetent in different ways (like letting global megacorps off paying any tax)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've managed to entangle KMOV Channel 4 here in STL.  The IRS goons went after Larry Conners (legendary news anchor here, kinda a modern-day Walter Kronkite), and KMOV Corporate tried to hush him up when trying to speak out about it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the worst thing about the whole affair is that KMOV is the big name in the ratings war, so if they bungle this they're gonna drive lots of viewers over to the Fox affiliate.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Rand Paul has alienated the libertarians, too, which kills off his hopes of a 2016 run'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Pauls never really stood a chance, anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not about chance, it's about whether there is someone with a set of principles I can get behind'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'might as well stick with the "Rent's too damn high!" guy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could get behind his dad, not behind him. He's still a decent senator, just not a great one'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that guy is great'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rand's siding with neocons should sound alarm bells to everyone'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, i'm in the UK, and we've got Nigel Farage'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his law/order policy is shite, but the rest of it is ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Michigan District Fires All Teachers, Closes Every School'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are these places fucking it up so badly?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it near Detroit?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Buena Vista, don't know, don't think it's -in- detroit'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still doesn't answer the question'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'red state or blue state?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Chinese are trying to take over Detroit, could be a political rather than a performance issue.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money issue, apparently'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see what happens when you put socialists in charge?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Nah, that is what happens when you do not adapt your economy.  Michigan has a crappy economy based on automotive, and that automotive decided to head to non union states instead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like china and mexico'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, and South Carolina.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all Toyota trucks are built in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and china'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty soon Toyota will be building the prius in Texas, and Lexus.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, both niche markets'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prius, catering to the democrat market in trendy Austin, no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is the 2nd largest market for the 5 priuses, after Cali.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they sold 5? blimey, 3 more than here'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'see them all over in Houston.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, 5 different priuses, the prius is not 1 car anymore, it is 5.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody saw the point of buying a prius here when for the same money you could get a BMW with similar fuel economy, and a much nicer car to boot, and better for the environment'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your bmw gets 97 mpg?  :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '60, same as the prius'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my prius gets 97 mpg avg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your prius is broken, their rated mpg is 60'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and much lower on long journies'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, mine has a battery bank that is 3x larger, and a plug in.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regular priuses do not'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can buy a regular prius with a plug in and a bigger battery as an option.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there you might'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people here saw electric cars, saw the real terms impact on the environment (apparently the reason for buying them) and rightly decided: No'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is because you prefer to pay $8 a gallon for fuel :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we prefer to get where we're going'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'out electric is also pretty costly'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I fill my prius gas tank halfway every couple months....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I can go anywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'range on electric is what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '80 miles'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, so for me personally i'd need to use gas 3 days a week at least'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'assuming you never plugged in the car at night.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just said it had a range of 80 miles, so if you do more than 80 miles in a day you'd be using gas'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is right, more then 80 miles a day you use gas'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless you plug it in where yu park it during the day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no public points here'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just plug it into the places outside outlets wherever I go if they are close.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'restaurants, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electric cars won't fly here until they do 500 miles on a charge'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the price drops by more than half'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yeah right, no one in england drives 500 miles a day using diesel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'barely a third would be able to charge overnight'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg american drives commutes less than 40 miles a day'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe they do, most people here don't have a garage'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't charge them on the street'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an electric hybrid that gets 50 miles per charge plus the gasoline mpg would be good enough.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plug in hybrids are the future of electric cars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydrogen cars are the future'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Volt is a damn nice car, and as the price comes down it will sell hundreds of thousands.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hydrogen isnt going to happen in our lifetime, it costs too much to make fuel cells.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuel cells? just have a tank'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even worse.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'low mpg'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the problem with natgas cars is the range.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the same problem with hydrogen.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so? conventional technology everyone is used to, ability to fill up at stations, or have your own plant'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's not to like?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps in 100 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd say the same about electric'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont have the power to produce hydrogen to fuel it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, electric is here and now and growing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't have the power to create the hydrogren, you don't have the power to charge your electric cars'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure you do, it takes more energy to create hydrogen then it takes to just recharge a battery.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'additionally, hydrogen can be stored, batteries are inefficient for storage'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no power plant is going to sell power at a good price to produce hydrogen, but they will love for you to use power at night to recharge your batteries.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I get a power break when I use power at night.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why wouldn't you use power to generate hydrogen at night?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '13 cents a kwh in the day, and 7 cents per kwh at night.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do you happen to have an efficient electrolyzer in your garage to create enough hydrogen ? '
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you need an industrial size hydrogen plant to make hydrogen feasible.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A guy in NY built a hydrogen plant in his backyard with a $500,000 grant from the US govt, runs his whole house on it, and his boat, cars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he uses solar power to make the hydrogen.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electric is typically 16-22c per kmh here'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he has 18 huge propane tanks to hold the hydrogen produced by his system....the 18 tanks last him the whole winter of low hydrogen production from his solar system.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would work well here too, but you'd need planning permission for the panels (denied) and would need to jump through all kinds of hoops to have the storage'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an electric hybrid engine would be cheaper and work just as well, :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'including liability insurance, safety inspections etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will inevitably start charging electric car drivers a fee per mile here, too, soon'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as soon as the market is big enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the fuel cell he had to buy cost $45k because the smallest one the fuel cell company made was 15k'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd never buy a prius, though if given one, i might sell it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I like the episode where Top Gear compares fuel efficienty of a Prius and a BMW M3.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd prefer the cash to either'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love my natgas car, but without a garage pump hooked up to the natgas line...it would be really annoying to have one.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to put an efficient diesel engine in my box van.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go from 6 mpg to 22 in an instant.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'friend's recovery vehicle gets nearly 30 when not towing'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Star Donkey: Into the Ass.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'As a conservative, we mustn't let this IRS crisis go to waste. It's a perfect time to propose eliminating most of the IRS (and thus its ability to be a political pawn) and replacing it with a fair tax. Learn from Obama: no crisis should go unwasted!'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'he didn't create any crisis, he just reacted to it'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Kojiro - November never said that obama created a crisis'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'he as good as did with his strong implication'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he was simple refering to stunts like lining the stage with the classmates of dead children'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just beacuse obama is black doesn't mean you can treat him differently'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Oh.. I see... it's toss a piece of bait day'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'who lined the stage with dead children?  wtf (sicko)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'troll'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro bows deeply.
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or would it be 'trawl'?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just chumming the channel, trawling for fish'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'I was actually referring to the financial situation in 2009, and what Rahm Emanual said about it. http://www.smartbrief.com/11/30/08/dont-let-perfectly-good-crisis-go-waste'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'While it wasn't Obama who said it, he was part of the administration at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they did a god job reforming the GSEs and housing industry.  oh wait.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: '(or about to be)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Yes, I'd say Obama listened to that one. :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, backyard oil....rednecks drilling for oil in Kentucky.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some guy in kentucky decided to drill an oil well in his front yard and hit oil.....about 8 barrels a day at 800 feet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'must be a real bitch to mow it each year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, he needs space for the heavy machinery necessary to drill, and then install the donkey, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, you can use a small drill rig to go up to 2000 feet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the donkey is small...the guy has a 200 acre piece of land.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a medium size rig can go 4000 feet down, and costs about $2 million, but you can rent one for $25,000 a week.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'starling knew how to work rigs'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but we have lost her institutional knowledge now'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'starling didn't know how to work rigs :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes she did'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, starling knew how to point at a plot of land and let the rig guys work the rig'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you think because she's a woman she wasn't smart enough?  it was her life.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(1) I don't think he's a woman at all, (2) I didn't state anything about "because" she's a woman, (3) it wasn't her life, the geology was'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh abelinc, you're such a cad'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wouldnt mind producing 8 barrels a day per well on my land though....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you only getting 8, how long is it really going to last?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on the field, and at 8 barrels a day that is still $250,000 a year before taxes, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are wells in Texas that have been pumping 8 barrels a day since the 1920s.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they call them stripper wells...most of them were capped in the 80s'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, so the guy who found oil in his front yard, decided to drill in his back yard...and 400 feet away he hit oil again....probably the same field, but it is producing 40 barrels a day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'he probably had some mindication there was oil.  like seeing oil seep up through the ground.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, no seeps'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hit oil 1800 feet down.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he couldn't have been THAT bored that he just decided to drill at random.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, he WAS looking for gas, and found oil instead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'should I hire a handicapped person to tour disney world with my family?  we would be able to skip all the lines via handicap priveleges.  And it's half the price of paying for the disney no-line pass.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol wtf would he do with gas?  flare it as a nightlight?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how quiet do they run?  Or do you just shut them down at night?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he spent $40,000 drilling the first and 2nd well......1 week each to drill about 1800 feet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seems like having one going nonstop in your yard would be too loud.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure?  Once the donkey is in, there is almost no noise.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you install a big tank next to the donkey to hold the oil, and a truck comes to pick up the oil each week.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guys day job is oil well drilling for people....and was bored so he drilled his own yard  :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'this tale rings false'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I've never know Rizgoth to troll half-assishly, Kojiro.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'one man's troll is another's conversation'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love oil wildcatting....it is a lost art.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hey, laidies!  The experts say that dreaming of yourself as a lesbian demonstrates a high level of self-confidence.  Do you find this to be true?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wth, you never talk to a geologist while in the bathroom.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you dont know...just dont bend over.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you don't care for the earthy tone of the conversation?'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, kinda strange for a kid to only be 12 years younger than the father.'
T3/r7/2013-05-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'happens alot in kentucky I suppose.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'augen, how white do you think middle eastern jesus was (from wangroup topic)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When they take away justice of the law....your only recourse is the way of the gun....defend your land!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, most of us dont own land... so we dont need guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'preach it Riz!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only sheep do not need guns.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and sheep usually get killed by the wolf.....so are you a sheep or a wolf ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm... we're not sheep or wolves'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dont debate with furries.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I do'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '... wait. Debate. Nevermind.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah.. I mean if yer a sheep, why would you debate anything? you just keep on keeping on.. and if yer a wolf, why now you should be shooting something dangnabbit'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nice, the first drone has taken off from a US carrier.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fine looking drone too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'go go gadget Skynet!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I for one welcome our new UAV overlords.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the X-47b'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shrug, drones from boats seems passe. i wanna see a boat take off from a drone'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '.. STAHP. DRONES'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in soviet russia, uaz moves you'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'those really aren't the drones I'm looking for anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'In soviet russia, they've got the moves to power you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'onslaught omg i laughed'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is there a moral or ethical reason to not poison a cat? '
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught bows before VampireDude.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'People would think you were a scientist, and it would be ethically wrong to deceive them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the Tallest building in the US is now the One World Trade Center, at 1776 feet tall.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'nice'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is also the 3rd tallest building in the world......not bad.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught nods.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It could have been built taller, but they wanted the symbolism of it being 1776 feet tall....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, I noticed that'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's appropriate'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There's a loophole in Einstein's general theory of relativity that could allow a ship to traverse vast distances in less time than it would take light. The trick? It's not the starship that's moving it's the space around it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Doesn't the "relative" part of relativity mean it doesn't really matter which is moving?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'see Alcubierre Drive'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'How do you suppose one would contract a space that one has never visited before?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'absolutely no idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'unless you're just wanting to go places you've already been'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've been to Jabuti, Somalia, Egypt, and libyia... never been to SA, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MISCHAN'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so how about the German family that may get deported back to Germany?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'kick 'em out?  or keep 'em here?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'id love a cute gerrman chick of my own'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's not so many of those.. they're pretty big boned people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k. what about a cute russian chick then'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but if you CAN find a cute one.. they can be pretty cute'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose there are a few... but I think all the really good ones are in the porn industry.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'germantubevids.xxx ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not even going to click that link =)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it doesn't work :( I just tried it'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sounds like a business opportunity'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not my scene'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'christiangermantube.xxx ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers at his own evil thoughts.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dunno, porn is cheaper than divorce and catholics hate both'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds an awful lot like turkey icecream sundae'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not the porn I buy!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sigh my favorite fluffer moved to idaho to be near her sister'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so how about it?  German family seeking asylum - let them stay or kick them back to Germany?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl. Holder: "I can't say as a matter of fact who authorized subpoena"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, he can't actually say "I don't remember".  He's already used that excuse before.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's bullshit. if you're turning up to be questioned on it, you damned well find out'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean to tell me they don't keep records of subpoena?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's quite obviously bs'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'difference bettween "can't' and "won't" ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't, he needs to be, at the very least, fired'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what can you expect from ObamaGate?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indimOgate'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'intimOgate'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only person who stands any chance of not getting busted here is Obama'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay, my alma mater was in the news! http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article3765790.ece'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'his administration has more scandals going on than the Grant administration.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'impeach him!!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'honestly.. .If I were in a similar situation, and I know who did X... I might not reveal that either... there's all  kinds of factors to condiser - chiefly among them - how long can we stonewall this... 5, 6 or even 10 months from now... finding out who 'authorized' the action will seem like a HUGE victory for the obama opponents.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously though, in the UK these people would be -gone-'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ffs, the chief whip resigned for allegedly calling a policeman "a pleb" even though it turned out later the policeman had lies'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lied*'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does it take to get rid of these people? Hilary and Noddy Holder should be -gone-'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the head of the IRS and -everyone- who went along with IRSgate should be -gone-'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like you haven't got enough unemployed people willing to fill the boots'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even bush didn't go after the media like this'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you -need- whistleblowers to be able to blow the whistle'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'David Howard resigned after taking fire for using the word "niggardly"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite it being an entirely valid word'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I thought Hilary was already gone?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she's still a Senator, no?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gone means gone from public office and barred from coming back'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that perfectly legitimate word has gotten alot of poeple in trouble - classic case of "it doesn't matter what you ment... it only matters if you offended someone"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh.. Hilary is still a Senator?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... hilary is getting ready for 2016'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I worry about you Uiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tiger too :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there you go, learn something new every day'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK you don't leave your seat when you become a minister'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'isn't minister like speaker?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you thought she ran for the Senate while she was Secretary of State?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, hans, minister is head of a government department'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ran? no, '
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ran/was elected to/whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, he thought she remorted into secstate.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't think that's even allowed'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught rolls on the floor laughing at Hanslanda's antics!
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she required 300 senator levels before she could do that'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since she had the incorrect build, she sucked at secretary of state'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that wasn't why, it was because she was a member of the wrong clan.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, she should be prevented as part of her punishment from holding public office in future'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with noddy holder'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, that'll happen'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'maybe you'd like a pony for Christmas too'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they threw our energy minister in JAIL for 3 months for a speeding offence, ffs'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys are just fucking pussies'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'politics should be a blood-in, blood-out affair.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're supposed to hold your politicians to -at least- as high a level as the public'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't, then shit like this happens. .... .guess what? shit like this is happening'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nixon was impeached for 1/10th of this'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Nixon actually knew about and ordered what he did'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Nixon resigned before he was impeached.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so far I don't see the evidence of Obama's direct involvement'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we aren't talking about Obama, we're talking about Noddy Holder and Hilary Clinton'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nixon sold out to the CFR, but at least he did the right thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well where is the evidence of their direct involvement in the respective scandals?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Hilary accepted responsibility yes, but directly involved?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and Holder.. well I'm inclined to believe he's a naive fool'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if that's what he wants to claim'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need to be directly involved, they SHOULD have been involved, it's their job. They were either involved, or they were negligent'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'this is true'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'either way, the buck stops with Obama.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what about that young homosexual employee of the state department who posed as a spy in exchange for not having footage shown'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'gay spies now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If it turns out Holder did know about the IRS thing, he probably should be in jail for corruption'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'do you think he will get a nice homecoming as an alleged cia spy?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'uh yeah, ryan cristopher fogle wasnt it'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'SpyFags!(tm)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Spy on Spy, MAD TV's reboot of a classic series.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'al jaffee is dead! no more genuine maad magazine'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's never stopped anyone before.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh that reminds me. how long after death can someone's tissue still be used to conceive?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tissue?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in law?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would imagine it depends on your local jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, China's recent testing of an anti-satellite missile has got the pentagon rhubarbing and wanting to militarise space'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why bother. china has cb more manpower'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cb?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fingers too fat. please mash keypad'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'as if the pentagon didn't want to militarize space already'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why we have treatise in place NOT to'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's like saying "hey China has drones, now the Pentagon is gonna wanna build some drones too!?"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'thats why they built that giant maid'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah yes... laws... oh how awesome we are at following laws'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Psh. Iron Sky spoke the truth! All satellites are militarized!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'let's ask the Associated Press how well the constitution protected them lately'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and people should be held to account for that'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we can hopoe'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hope too'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china haven't broken the convention'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(should be pointed out)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you sure about that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it was naughty testing it without cleaning up after themselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shrug, associated press is a newspaper. therebeit an office of public trust. whats wrong with scrutiny'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they break everything else'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with that particular episode, no'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean cyber espionage alone...'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come on man, they're not the only superpower doing cyber espionage'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that isn't my point'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the biggest illegal hacking operation is the US/Israel'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is israel still rocketing syria?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then what is your point'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea, VD, last i heard they were amassing troops on the northern border with Lebanon/Golan Heights'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'my point was how do you know what China is/isn't doing vis-a-vis space warfare and such?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'guess its not news worthy'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty difficult to hide space launches, onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for difficult, read "almost impossible"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'did you see the last one yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't get it man... half the time you're paranoid bordering on pure lunacy'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'im paranoid too, but just cause of all the investigations'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not even remotely the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China is arming up, it's true, but in terms of space-bound stuff, the west has it tied up'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and I just wonder how you can know that'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'simple, he lives there'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'aside from how you apparently have a 24/7/365 global spycam'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'spycam eh. how many fingers do i hold up'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm, number of times Philly police were shot at in 2012: 3, Number of times Philly police fired at the public in 2012: 52'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that sounds like a problem to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got to keep those nigga's heads down!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'niggas''
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you see the video of rochester cops beating up a disabled black guy in a motorised wheelchair, tasering him?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you reckon to the Nato-backed Al-Qaeda rebel leader being filmed cutting out the heart of a dead Syrian soldier and eating it? '
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'did he cook it first or use any condiments or anything?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, just cut it out of the guy's chest and sunk his teeth into it after declaring a nasty death on all Aliwhites'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that sort of practice is normal.  It's not the kind of cannibalism like Dahmer or Lecter, it's just a religious belief that eating an opponent's key organs transfers the worthy qualities to the victor.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's  not normal practice in a civilised society, and not normal for the Syrian state army'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'impressively hard core... I mean I see heads being cut off all the time, but eating the guy's heart? Was he alive when it happened?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, dead'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he wouldn't be a dead syrian soldier if he was alive at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should never be have funded the rebels, should never have legitimised the opposition, and should stop all aid aside from the refugeeds'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at the soul of Hans.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's normal, Tiger.  Several civilizations across the globe (I think even the Apaches did it) have done it historically, a few still do it in some form.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's not normal insofar as modern day civilized activities are concerned'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, i agree with onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's normal for barbaric civilisations, then we probably shouldn't be supporting it'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'would anyone here take Obama's side one any of the recent issues?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no point bringing any of THAT up then.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dizzy heights of 57F here tomorrow'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'at least someone is getting global warming'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global cooling mor like'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't you see the news reports from the UK of 2 inches of snow in some places, a months rain in 1 day in others?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'warmer, coder, wetter, drier, more or less extreme weather - it's all AGW'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'colder!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to mention heavy metals being pumped into the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'don't forget the chemtrails that are totally a thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rintrah: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as opposed to being not a thing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'chemtrails produce rainclouds on a clear day'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they were serious about co2 reduction, should ban air travel'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rain is good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at least curtail it'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing wrong with air travel, but it should cost 2x more than it does....airlines need to make a profit too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing wrong except the pollution'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's all we need, the world's military looking up and going "Mine!  All mine, you can't have any!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rintrah: 'well lotsa things to fix, not enought thinkin done ..  and still making proffit ..'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'airlines produce a lot less co2 than residential buildings.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rintrah: 'that 'll be the root of all ebil .. priffit :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best set to fabricating more problems to create a profitable solution for then, Rintrah'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'residential buildings produce the most co2 of any industry.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'building of buildings, or the buildings themselves?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'both'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting that residential buildings respire, but industrial ones do not?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've just passed co2 levels never before seen in human history, but that's still nowhere near what the Earth can support.  We're really just compressing the horizontal axis (timeframe), thus far.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are actually still homes that use heating oil to heat their in efficient homes...something like 15% of homes in the US use heating oil.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are that your statement isn't true, hans, you need to add "modern" before the "human history"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's wrong with heating oil?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'really.. chemtrails?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is dirtier than electric or natgas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sometimes I honestly worry about you people'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could care less about chemtrails, it is a nonissue.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't change the fact that most non-natural co2 comes from industry'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an issue when stuff starts dying of heavy metal poisoning'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit like the pesticide spraying they're doing of an entire woodland site in the UK to kill some foreign moth larvae'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no worries there, Tiger.  The government's innoculated all of us with rocket fuel.  So much so that it's detectable in both breastmilk AND baby formula.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I thought the whackos thought that chemtrails were caused by alien ships flying through the earths atmosphere.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of the canopy, it won't kill much of the target moths, but will wipe out most other moth species'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'people have been dying of heavy metal poisoning since long before industry came about'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, why didn't i think of that solution? It was bad before, so let's just pretend it doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's how we got all our best prophets, I think.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and no Riz, chemtrails are a human invention/conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'see Tiger.. I never said "pretend it doesn't exist"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are reality'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but for some reason you love to extrapolate all of my arguments into conclusions I don't make'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and 99% of the time I wouldn't make them even if I DID give a conclusion'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not a conspiracy in the sense that they are not a clandestine plot'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes they exist, but THIS: The chemtrail conspiracy theory posits that some trails left by aircraft are chemical or biological agents deliberately sprayed at high altitudes for purposes undisclosed to the general public in clandestine programs directed by various government officials.[1] This theory is not accepted by the scientific community, which states that they are just normal contrails, as there is no scientific evidence supporting the chemtrail theory.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'is crap'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or as you said'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great strawman argument'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather, shit strawman argument'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(depending on your point of view)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, thanks to the rubber-hand illusion, it seems to be the case that racism in whites is simply just in their heads.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chemtrail lacing has been used in localised weather modification, most notably and publicly in China before the 2008 olympic games, and over a longer period in the UAE. They have also previously experimented with atmosphere spraying as a potential weather weapon before an agreement was signed at the UN in 1972 banning the practice. It is currently used in widespread experiements of using spraying compounds containing aluminium, boron, or strontium into the atmosphere to mitigate the effects of co2 warming the atmosphere by reducing the amount of sunlight hitting the earth'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'technically everything is "in our heads" ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what they didn't account for is this also causes heat to be trapped at the surface of the planet that would otherwise escape during night time hours'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There were many times when the co2 in the atmosphere was much higher compared to today, and life survived.....we will survive it, and create technology that will be cleaner and cheaper over time....that is what we do...we explore, whether it is the boundries of science, or building materials, it is all the same.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next strawman argument please!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least twice or three times as high.  There is even a hypothesis that says it was so warm at some point that stuff would just spontaneously combust.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back when the dinosaurs were running the show, the co2 levels were 4x higher compared to today.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and they lived for hundreds of millions of years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'higher co2 levels means higher crop yields -> more food'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there was a lot more oxygen, too.  One of the reasons they got so big.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(to a point)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well it's not as if we would become extinct. Changes in the atmosphere bring various sets of benefits and negative consequences as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rintrah: 'and we could metiaon HARRP just for the fun of it ..'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but we don't like change  - esepecially the drastic sort'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah yeah, HARP'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rintrah coughs loudly.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for a cleaner, less polluted planet. Having said that, restricting people's freedoms, making them poor, and giving all OUR money to Al Gore enterprises probably isn't the approach needed'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, the co2 in the atmosphere is postponing the next ice age.....and that is a good thing, considering we are in between ice ages.....ice ages are the norm on planet earth....not the time inbetween them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surely you mean HAARP?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rintrah shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(which has nothing to do with spraying pollutants in the atmosphere)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well whatever, harp harrp herpies whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'b.s.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i should feel honoured to be branded a member of the tinfoil hat brigade by such uniformed people'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like to drill for oil on the ranch, but my dad says no. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This ranch is part of the old humble oil leases of the 1930s, where lots of oil was extracted....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'running short of cash, Rizzer?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'fucking oil drilling'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go for it, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'completely the wrong direction'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Riz... you pour crude on your wheaties in the morning, don't you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, face your oil rig the other way round'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'satisfy Onslaught, then'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'O'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Riz drives a prius, therefore it balances out, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and a natgas car.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've said it before... burn everyone else's oil first.. then burn our own'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(doesn't matter that more CO2 was used creating it than will ever be saved by it, but there)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'could say the same thing about the car you drive.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and your car wont save you a nickel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my car doesn't have pretensions of being green, it's a crap diesel'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither am i dissing you for having a prius. There are plenty of justifiable reasons for owning one, especially in the modified form you have, however planet-saving isn't one of them'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, I have 17 1.5 megawatt wind turbines on our land up near Amarillo Texas....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could you show me the way?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and in 3 years, I have still not found a dead bird on ground from them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are a few species that don't like them, but most birds are fine, especially out to sea'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bats are badly affected by wind turbines'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I see dead birds along the road all the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I doubt that wind turbines would be more dangerous than roads'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'for birds'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sea-going turbines are also damned good for fish'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and for creating reefs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty against shutting down power stations when you'r eimporting electric'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'utterly retarded'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am sure france would love to export some more nuclear power to you guys for a high price....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or in the case of the UK, not building any new power generation on any significant scale for 20 years, then wondering why we're having to import it from france and russia, and wondering why the price has gone sky high'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'politicians ftw'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's what the EPA will do when it gets the go-ahead to reimplement the Cross-State stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'france already owns our entire nuclear power production'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also own a significant portion of our energy companies'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to a retarded, crony capitalist right wing government'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Those french are wise....they couldnt beat you in war, so they are beating you with energy. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we were never actually at war with them.  Twice we've been in police action, but that was with British involvement (first as colonists in the French and Indian, second in the pick-on-America threeway that was the War of 1812)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they beat nobody, they were allowed to by dodgy backhanders and self-ingratiation by the ruling elite'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there you go, that is how you beat them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er how they are beating you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nowt i can do about that'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'move'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you have solar panels right ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be going energy self sufficient when i get my own place in the 24th century'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you are doing something about it....in 5 years the price of solar will be 50% cheaper than today, and 5 years after that, again.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar hot water is a beautiful thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's the service life of a solar water/space heater rig?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'until a tree limb falls on it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'price is not the key factor here'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'solar is unreliable here on account of the poor weather, and there are restrictions as to how much solar you're allowed due to the draconian building regs'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i will be trying to get a mix of solar and wind'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'together with a ground source heat pump'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, my solar hot water system cost about $2500 to buy and install...it produces about 80% of the hot water needs for my house.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with a natgas backup.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the feds gave me a $1000 tax rebate for it, and the electric company gave me a $500 power credit for installing it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rintrah turns green with envy at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was just reading about the carbon impact of manufacturing solar panels... with a life span of 25 years, they barely break even on carbon impact'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is new tech coming out that will improve on that'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's TODAY.. it will improve in time, I would imagine'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that was 6 years ago, it has paid for itself in 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar panels last much longer than 25 years, that is just an arbitrary time limit used by the manufacturers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the accoutrements probaly last considerably less'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandpa has 40 year old solar panels on our ranch, still producing as much power as when bought.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'CAT puts it closer to 12 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we of course have lots of newer panels as well, but the original ones still work fine.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to get government feed-in tariffs on your electric, maximum is a 4kw installation. WIthout feedin tariffs, the largest installation without explicit permission (i.e, the max limit because they won't GIVE permission) is 9 square meters'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '2-6% decrease in efficiency per year after 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only thing i'd like to see is some sort of battery storage unit for calm nights'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like I said, our panels still produce their rated amount :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'based on what I have read in the past few minutes... most panels are just big sun shades after 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'would you sell your car if it was emitting smoke and had cosmetic foibles?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shit chinese made ones probably'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's from US department of Energy, CAT, and several others'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how much power is produced is determined on how well you treat the panels....if you buy used panels from someone and those panels have been moved around, beat up over time, of course their production will drop.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but if you keep them in place, and keep them clean...they will produce rated power.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all the stuff I read was based on new panels... not sure of origin'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'solar has to mature a bit before I'll buy in'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hell ... geothermal is a better option for me'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's your insurance premium on those panels?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have almost 12000 watts of solar panels on the ranch, plus a geothermal system to make the AC more efficient, and solar hot water.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my house has solar hot water, and geothermal'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'geothermal takes what form?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn. solar sounds nice. maybe my next car will have a solar cb air conditioner'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an air temp reduction/increase system'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmn. solar air conditioner. not cb. wth'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we cool the air by running it through 6 loops of underground tubing before it gets to the AC intake.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'increases the efficiency quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heat exchanger, gotcha'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brotherinlaw is experimenting with a heat exchanger built into his borehole'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'electricity is still too cheap... generator for backup'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'batteries for backup!'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'just like so many marriages'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are cheap ways to increase efficiency....reduce your use of electricity for the big things.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'like mudding'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doesnt make a whole lot of sense to buy LED lights though, unless you keep the lights on all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'solar has just been pushed too hard, too soon by the eco-nazis... I think I'll wait 5-6 years and see how it's doing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'vonliege not me. ill slap solar on my car soon as its free'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, eco-nazi's'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'always good for an insightful, meaningful contribution, Vamp'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you get free gas now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'a priori :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these the eco-nazi's that come up with brilliantly inciteful ideas like claiming i shouldn't drive to work, that i should somehow magically teleport, or use the magical liberal unicorn ride?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ffree, nah, i ferry about total strangers for coin'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for most people solar power is not that useful, unless you use a lot of energy....'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess we can't all have that gig, Vamp'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von sure you can.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'making your house more efficient will do more for your finances than buying solar panels though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loft insulation, cavity wall insulation, floor insulation, better windows/doors'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a multifuel burner'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(secondary heating)'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"turning shit off"'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar screens for windows'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but that same stuff you turn off acts as heating too doesnt it'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not if you don't need the heat'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point, Vamp... if everyone were a beggar, there'd be no one left to put coins in your cup'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'picking up passengers for coin is illegal here'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, depends what they beg for'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps I misunderstood...'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you pick up people for money?  like a private taxi?'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger  here its legal :-)  but you get better pay to settle on a fee before letting them in the car'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, in a loose sense , yeah'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the UK. Shitting on even dates is illegal here too'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, this Yamaha 2000 watt generator is pretty damn good....and extremely quiet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and in eco mode, it produces 1000 watts of energy for 10 hours on 1 gallon of fuel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ran my 6000 btu air conditioner quite well'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is giving 2.5 million to the maldives while sequestering governm re nt employees at home a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'woo! The House is voting to repeal Obamacare for only the... 37th time! BUT... it's the Republican Freshmens' first vote on it, so it's kinda like another pointless vote - for the first time!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'government run healthcar sucks'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah I hate government healthcars'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'vroom vroom'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its why im on tabs instead of surgery'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that once Obamacare actually starts to 'touch' people, they will wake up.. they'll have to suffer with it for a little while, and then it will be repealed...  will cost a butt-ton of $$ in the meantime, though'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I know a guy and a woman who were already 'touched' by Obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'because murica'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they appeciate it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure.. there are anecdotal cases out there already... but I mean when the MASSES are touched'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'fortunately we can't base the efficacy of the program on those two individuals'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'touching masses sounds very catholic'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers with Seltsimees Dagnir about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dagnir, do you think catholic charities do surgeries on non catholics?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'definitely going to be an interesting couple of years coming up'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but yeah, government run healthcare sucks and every other civilised nation on earth is wrong'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'by then we should have hit what... 150 attempts to repeal Obamacare?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I heard numbers onthe radio yesterday... didn't confirm them, but it was "initial reported cost of obama care - ~700B"... current projection is 3T.  not sure if that's accurate'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if he cant fix va or tribal healthlthcare, why does he want more health programs to maintain?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the radio huh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which station?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... radio... little box with buttons?  sound comes out?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '93.7'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sigh, surgery would be nice. 20mg tabs are just depressing. and make me feel loopy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '93.7 fm?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a 'clear channel' station'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'making a radio sounds fun. maybe i could do that'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that doesn't tell me much'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'was this a news update?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'talk radio?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't really see what it matters what radio station it was... google "clear channel"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... it was hannity'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Hannity?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'google hannity'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well see now I can go listen what you were listening to'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and hear the numbers for myself'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's why it matters'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'becoming a criminal and selling them wouldnt get me a surgery since itd take 14,000 sales. meh.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think the shows are archived'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'knowing Hannity as I do, I'm sure he has addressed Obamacare with an open and even-handed approach'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so I should be able to get all kinds of reasonable information'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no such luck... he's as right slanted as they come'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'he is?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh come on'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's as far right leaning as Rachel Madowis left'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't believe for a second you could just toss out a budgetary number from some politically slanted source'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I did "disclaim" it pretty well'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '"not sure if that's accurate"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not much of a disclaimer'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but now I will have to go find an accurate source'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i like ianal disclaimers myself'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '"I heard it on Sean Hannity'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'much better disclaimer'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'afaik there are no major news sources in the usa, it's all opinion "news"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'onslaught... why are you hating so bad?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'who, me?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'why would you say that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hes mad because of xavier wiping magnetos mind'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'man why is it the only "onslaught" anyone around here seems to know is the X-Men one?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'buncha frickin fanboys'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cause memnarch and crovax are nobodies'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Heavier than normal spring rains have put the corn crop far behind schedule: Only 28 percent of corn fields have been planted this year compared with 85 percent at this time in 2012'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I had some corn on the cob last week from Mexico... delicious'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A new fungus strain is wrecking havoc on the coffee plants in Columbia....good thing they have cocaine to fall back on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'aww... not coffee :('
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'are kabar  knives a better recreational bring along than a folding gerber knife?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Kbar is a marginally better brand than gerber'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'both have a rich history which they have pretty much pissed away with shoddy manufacturing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah I have to agree with Vonliege for once'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok, but i mean, fixed blade or folding ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for camping or riding the metro?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'get both... why limit yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hiking, camping, visiting foreign locals, maybe a boat ride too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a fixed blade will always be more reliable and versitile... but a folder can be carried without alarming the sheep'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gerber makes good baby food also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hicking, camping and boat rides - fixed... visiting forein lands - folding ceramic... unless you're traveling with an army'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k. so no folding metal then?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'folding metal is great for going to town and church'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like onslaught said... get 'em all'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nod, got em all, but trying to cut weight'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but if you want to get just one... get a $90-100 3.5 inch folding knife'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then a mid-size folder'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'guess i can throw some of em on cl. people like pointy objects'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if wieght is a concern'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually get this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N60KW4380'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't think they are allowed on CI'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't think they are allowed on CL'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, i already have the knives.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I have a Snap Lock 2... which is a smaller version'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and I would kill all of you for it I love it so much'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all of you!!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yeah they are. they allows bangs on cl'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a fan of benchmade, almar and Kershaw'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well this yorkcraft fake  leatherman tool has a knife too, meh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Uk government committee made themselves look like idiots in front of cameras questioning google today'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'why they q google?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tax avoidance'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paid 7m tax on over 3bn revenue'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, not like the gov could shut google down if they tried.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could levy them if they had the nuts to'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You raise your eyebrow at VampireDude.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or pass laws to ensure ethical complaince'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compliance. as it is, it's just PR to make them look like they're doing something and to try and deflect attention away from the fact that they're shit, and the country is bankrupt'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no were  not. we just gave 2.5 mil to the maldives'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK did?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nah, usa did'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's your problem. you're broke too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no were not. we just gave 2.5 mil to maldives'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'giving away money doesn't mean you're not broke...'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cant give what you dont have.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, but is pretty dodgy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the egypt military handout was far dodgier'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the news tonight! sectarian beheadings by the western backed syrian rebels in syria, sectarian bombings by the western backed Sunnhi's in Iraq!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i didn't know that Hilary was fired from her position as a junior lawyer working on the Watergate enquiry, the former chiest of staff of the House Judiciary Committee who supervised her said "She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stronge praise indeed, no wonder she became a democrat'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'where was bill while she did that'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'interesting'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not married at the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what's the source for that Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://patdollard.com/2013/05/flashback-hillary-clinton-fired-from-watergate-investigation-for-lying-unethical-behavior-conspiracy-to-violate-the-constitution/'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't acting alone, part of ongoing political shenanigans'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that that exhonerates her or justifies it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'gotta love this stuff'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'they really are terrified of 2016'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the political establishment are all dodgy as fuck, the CLintons and the Bushes are the worst, but there are others, maybe half a dozen 'clans''
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be worth dispensing with a federal government just to be rid of their influence'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh, not really'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I wonder how many political hit-pieces we'll see before Hilary even declares her candidacy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean this one isn't even new'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can think of a better way of neutering dodgy family clans in politics, then lets here it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts' heart was melting, now it's breaking.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hear, even'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'since you won't be able to remove "dodgy family clans" from politics'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no matter what you do'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't think it's worth wasting my time/energy trying to think of ways to do the impossible'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'uh huh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beginning to spot a pattern'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I certainly hope so'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'politics appeals to dodgy types'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hence you get their involvement'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that wasn't the pattern i was spotting'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was more about your input'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah, well it's hardly a secret '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh, is this where you try to question the reality of politics by attacking me? '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '"gee Onslaught you're always so negative, don't you ever have any positive input??"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a bit more nuanced than that'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd describe it as shooting down others without having anything constructive to bring'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it's like being a troll-lite'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'look you don't have to take my word for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'go pick up any history book on politics and look at the kinds of people who have ruled the system since the country's founding'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not a subscriber to the "it's bad, but it's always been like that, so let's not bother, let's live in shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's self-defeating'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I didn't say it was bad'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'only that it is what it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, so delusional as well as negative? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there are some exceptions, but by and large you have the same personality types running the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so change the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sometimes people do'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'those are the exceptions'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but eventually even they join the dark side as it were'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or die trying to avoid it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there always new things that can be tried'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'such sa?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'err, as?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'term limits'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I happen to agree'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the UK's specific problem, abolishing party whips'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'd love to have term limits'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I think it would help many things, including the permanent state of running for office we have'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though really, you can best diffuse the lust for ultimate office by minimising the power the feds actually have'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but do you think term limits will dissuade power-hungry individuals from running for office?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, but it would cycle new people in which gives you a better chances of gettign good people'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I thought you said *I* was delusional?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for saying that the current system isn't bad? yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sad thing is you could get really good people and then you lose then because of term limits'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goes with the territory'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well we could steal a term.. the current system is bad, but still better than any OTHER system out there'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you guys have a sytem of recall?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well it depends on where you are'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's a patchwork'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but in some places we do and it's even utilized at times'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what % of peopel are required to sign the recall to force an election of a house member?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that depends on the area I think'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a rare thing that should be standardised'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I believe most are dependent on a specific number of signatures'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not a percentage'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well yeah, but then you run afoul of the local power people'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'states' rights, etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it, it doesn't reduce states rights'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well a standardized system which is the same everyone does'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a state wanted easier powers of recall, then they could have it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not if it's a standardized system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'everyone has to be the same then'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could have a minimum standard'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well this isn't standardization'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e "you must be at least as unpopular as bush to ride"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well actually, yeah, it is, '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'standardised minimum requirements'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or in this case maximum requirements'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ok then, minimum standards, fine'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what if an area doesn't WANT to have recall?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they don't recall'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what if the people there believe that you vote in who you vote in and nothing short of violating the law/constitution should allow removal of a public office holder?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that kinda the point?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well then you don't even have a minimum'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the majority felt that, it wouldn't be an issue, since they'd vote him back in'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well just because a majority believe it doesn't mean a majority actually vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that their problem?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'compulsory voting doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think it should?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I think it would be nice'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but it wouldn't be freedom'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor would it be conducive to a helpful result'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'maybe, maybe not'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to see political parties banned, but can't think of a practical way that could be made to work'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Australia seems to do ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that would be unconstitutional anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, i've seen some of the morons they've elected....'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well just because you call someone a moron doesn't make it so'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in this case it's so'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught rolls his eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call it luck if you wish'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coincidence?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess disagreeing with you just makes me negative again, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do seem to make a habit of electing dumbarses, Julia Gillard is a prime example. Paul Keating was another'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disagreement of matter of opinions is fine'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disagreeing for the sake of it, is negative'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I disagree with your opinion'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so what's the problem?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can disagree with whom you like, about what you like, doesn't make you right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and having an opinion doesn't make YOU right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'true, though having an opinion and disagreeing without someone about it is better than not having an opinion and still disagreeing with someone about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'your mind-reading skills are truly amazing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what else have you to say for yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'did I need to?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if you wanted'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'going back to the original topic'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'power corrupts.. I think we can all agree on this'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mr Lincoln put it best'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and political office conveys power onto the office holder'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paraphrasing, if you want to test someone's character, give him power'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but regardless of how good someone is or how short the term is or how limited etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'power corrupts'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and political office conveys power'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can't get around that'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and so long as humans are the ones holding office'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not inevitable'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's the pooint'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'point too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'then you deny human nature'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because it's statistically likely, doesn't make it inevitable'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there have existed politicians who have not succumbed to it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you think you can get every office filled with one of those exceptions?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not simultaneously'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'then the exceptions prove the rule'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't mean you shouldn't try'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sure you can try, but you won't be able to do it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'effort combined with systemic changes can help mitigate the badness, even if it cannot completely overturn it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and thinking you can or thinking that I'm being negative because I won't go about my life as if it were even remotely possible to do so'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it isn't "badness"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's human nature'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'being human isn't a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an overgeneralisation'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'any more than cats acting like cats is a "bad" thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'shedding all over the place and tearing up the furniture and tasting like chicken'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not "bad" things'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'purity of governance is effected by entropy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and sometimes governments need to be refreshed by the blood of patriots. Disn't one of the founds once say something like that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reborn? i dunno'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dwight D Eisenhower and JFK probably the last two US presidents to actually  be true to the gravity of their position'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'why you say that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'true to the gravity?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'what is that even supposed to be mean'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they worked for the country and it's people, rather than for the betterment of their political party, or their own vested interests'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'JFK was hardly unethical.. I wouldn't say as unethical as they come.. but close'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not to mention violations of the law'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'this is an example of the best of our leaders?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, best we had was Churchill, and possibly Thatcher, but she made a ton of strategic errors'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wow.. just.. wow'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a fan of Churchill then?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'only a real English bulldog could hate on Gandhi. That alone makes Churchill the man'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never said they were perfect'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh I don't know Churchill as well as I should, but it seems to me he was far less an ethical mess than JFK'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'however my "wow" was about JFK'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if that's an example of power not corrupting...'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'JFK stood up to the Russians, cut taxes, and pushed for civil rights. Sounds good to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I just don't know what to say'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'seriously you guys need to read for content'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I didn't say I don't like JFK'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or that he was a lousy President'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or did nothing good'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I'm just saying I don't care if he messed around on Jackie'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but he was NOT an example of a politician who was uncorrupted by the power of his office'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'if he abused his office though I'd like to hear of that. Pushing around political enemies and what not'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah I don't know as much about JFK as I should perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were examples of leaders trying to do their best for the country/people rather than for their own aims, whether they were 'corrupted' by office, or whether they were ethically pure is a different argument'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah.. so it doesn't matter what the politician does wrong so long as what they do right overshadows the wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'd all rather they didn't, but at least doing the right thing mitigates it some'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in outcome if not in judgement'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well then I guess Obama has nothing to worry about'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you figure that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh... that's right.. you don't like Obama :('
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dodgy administration doing a pretty rubbish job? What's to redeem?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that's your opinion'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's also fact'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah now your opinion = fact'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'must be awesome to be you'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Using the Jeremy Clarkson law, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'he'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'miss'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you disagree, then disprove it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'disprove what? That you think your opinions = facts?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop trolling, disprove or recant'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'tigernuts are you a "prepper"? No offense meant, just curious'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't remember you proving anything'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no point being a prepper in the UK, Tipro'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all I remember is you making lofty claims about JFK'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'apparently JFK did ok, so says you'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nowhere to go/hide, no money to buy anything with'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but Obama.. well not so ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'ah'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'JFK refused to go to war with Cuba, and was about to supplant the Federal Reserve as the national currency'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which is odd... other people seem to think Obama is a leader who is trying to do his best for the country/people rather than for his own aims'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'isn't that exactly what you said is important?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but those people are wrong'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and you are right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I don't like Obama, but I think you're right Onslaught he has his vision of what a better country would be and he's really trying to take us there'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you really don't see the hypocrisy here, do you Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but...same could be said of Hitler'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhh.. you're not comparing Obama to Hitler'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'no...I'm saying that whether a leader wants the best for their country or not shouldn't be the only comparison. If it was, both Obama and Hitler would be great leaders'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'obama is not a good leader because he is blinded by his vision... Leadership isn't about telling people what to do... it's about brining them together to get it done.  Obama has not been able to do that.  this country is more divided than any time in recent history, and that makes him a failed leader'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'shouldn't be the only criteria*'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama presides over an administration that has shipped guns to mexican drugs cartels, has continued and expanded foreign (illegal) military intervention, has handed over military decision making over to the UN,has allowed the IRS to victimise his political opponents, has overseen the illegal wiretapping of every american, has seen the beginnnings of a roll out of a homeland army in breach of the constitution, has saught to use the deaths of children for his political agenda to ban guns while murdering 100s of children overseas'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well Tiger JFK did a great job with the Bay of Pigs'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but hey let's not let facts get in the way of your opinions'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'theyre all puppets'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and anyway i thought Obama actually set up the Newtown shooting'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he failed to close Guantanemo as promised, he failed to not raise taxes, as promised, as he couldn't bring in sociali healthcare, he instead had a petulant sulk and brought in a bill that will ruin what healthcare currently exists, he has borrowed more money that all previous presidents in american history added together, USA no longer makes anything, you didn't build that someone else made that happen'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh please, he ordered Guantanemo closed'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Republicans prevented him from doing so'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bush was a joke, but compared to Bush, Obama isn't even funny'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you people are seriously fucking stupid'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pshaw, republicsns stopped him, right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop making bullshit excuses'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'actually they did'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'point blank'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and then had the gall to blame it on him, just as you are doing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'republicans took the money allocated to close gitmo out of the budget, so yes they did'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not true'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'in a sense'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's impossible to tell if you actually believe Obama didn't try to close it or not'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Obama lacked the leadership skills neccessary to see guantanemo closed - he could have made it happen, but not by "ordering" it closed... he failed to lead'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught laughs at Vonliege mercilessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then he just instructs his defence chief to reallocate money frmo the defence budget'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh it was all because Obama couldn't lead Republicans'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they refuse to do it, he sacks people until it does'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'in the Legend goal, I think the 4th apple should be in a different place. How about you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/21/us/politics/21detain.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's not naive or ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'plain stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'article detailing exactly what happened with the gitmo funds. But note democrats also voted for this'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's bullshit, tipro, they could have shifted funds from within department'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'some* democrats'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'perhaps, but then cut what other program?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and unfund what other program? Would that even be legal? Or would it be the same as his "shift" to not deporting the dreamers'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think the bill is significant against the pentagon budget?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'maybe Obama could just have a bunch of Secret Service agents close Gitmo and move all the prisoners into the Senate with all of our current Senators. Hand the prisoners some weapons and lock the doors for a week'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just ship em back to where they were collected from, close and dismantle the jail, return the land to Cuba. Job done'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meanwhile JFK invaded Cuba, nearly blew all of us up with the Cuban Missile Crisis, heightened tensions in Vietnam to the point where Johnson ended up having to send troops in later on, used the CIA and IRS against political enemies, fucked around on his wife, etc etc'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but he did all of that for the good of the People'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so Tiger thinks he's ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'until th US stop being consumerist pigs theyre screwed'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, Whataburger.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I can't move after all the shit being shoveled around in here'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is probobly what Obama is saying right now... "can't move for all the shit I'm taking"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so he blames the "shit" on all his failings.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'christmas fights over crap at the mall says it all'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'something like that sure'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'maybe it's cause he can't lead Republicans into not being dicks'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China produces the most greenhouse gases per year, by far.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Welcome to revisionist hisory, with your host, Onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Nice try Tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont blame the republicans, just the neocons....they are the ones messing up the country.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I've decided if your opinions can = facts, mine do too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'What irritates me most about President Obama (and you've all heard me pop off on politicians in general) is that he just absolutly will not accept responsibility for anything - everything is someone elses fault... well when your the leader of an entire nation... you'd dang well better have the skills to cut through all that crap.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the neocons and the religious fanatics, true'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you're right there Riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Bay of Pigs incident was signed off by Eisenhower in 1960'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah all it takes is skills and you can just "cut through all that crap"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'why didn't any of them thing of that before?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VietNam likewise started by the French under Eisenhower, JFK signed off on limited military intervention, LBJ increased to the magnitude for which it was famous'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'reagan and clinton had the skill'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'damn three branches of gov'ment and we don't need any of em, just one guy who can "cut through all that crap"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'shit man'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it all makes sense now'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're Joe Biden in disguise'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'admit it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Clinton... yeah the whole impeachment thing musta been an example of how he cuts through the crap so well'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers with Tigernuts about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'keep trying'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's amusing he's got the nickname "Uncle Joe". There was another political leader who once had that title'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'youre all on a cia watch list for discussing this material'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'He, who thinks your best defence against home invaders is an unloaded shotgun'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'despite the media smoke/scandle/shit... both Clinton and Reagan accomplished and made progress suring their presidencies... they were leaders....  Obama has been nothing but point and demand, and then pitch fits when he doesn't get his way'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone is on a cia watchlist'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'the subscribers to this channel get extra attention'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and Tiger goes for the Communist parallel'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'where did the guy who kept bringing up Hitler go?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'obamacare isnt progress?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'naw, it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tiger is just joking'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you consider going the wrong direction is "progress"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'going any directing is progress so long as you keep going that way'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'obamacare was a "vision"  good or bad doesn't really matter at this point..  it has become bloated and convoluted beyond comprehension... I can't even make sense out of the summary (114 pages), much less the whole thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'why is it going the wrong direction?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you'd have to read it to try and make sense of it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I double obama has even read it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uh-huh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and you would know'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the IRS's current record of going after poltiical opponents, you want to trust them with your medical records? (for 1) and for 2, obamacare serves to give pharmaceutical companies and insurance providers higher returns, it will cost employers and the working masses a fortune and offer them no better care'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'because...'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh wait, you wouldn't knpow'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would futher suggest that there are maybe less than 100 people in government that have actually read it front to back'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well darn :('
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're really lucky, ...some.... poor people might get more access to healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well you would know!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh wait.. no you wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'personnaly, I lose everything under obamacare, but that's just a single example'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how is it you keep talking about stuff you know absolutely nothing about.. and yet you keep sounding like you do??'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'I like helping people.  I like that my sister will have insurance.  seems fine to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have socialised healthcare here, we already know how shit it is, you're all fucking mad if you think this ia good idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and there's Tiger, assuming everything thinks the way he does'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'again'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'too bad there's no money to pay for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're basically taking the worst possible aspects of the private insurance model, and teaming it up with the worst parts of socialised healthcare and slapping them together. What could possibly go wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'youll be paying for hospital beds of people who have been maimed in infratructure collapse'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that isn't true at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'geez Tiger I thought your opinions = facts :('
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come back in a year's time and tell me how much your premiums went down by'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm, ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'like exactly 1 year? should I set an alarm on my phone?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'I am biased since I have family members that will be helped.  socialized insurance is better than no '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you wish'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well Haladin I'm sorry to say, but Tiger's opinions = fact, he told me so'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Haladin: 'I do wish'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'plus he can apparently see into the future'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just reading what the providers are saying is going to happen to insurance premiums'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do they know?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've already been notified that my healthcare will be terminated in July'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'luckily you can sign up for Obamacare, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently nobody has had their hours cut to below 30hrs a week, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at 870% more than I am paying now.. yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and everyone's premiums are going down'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '870%?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well what do you pay now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm may be an issolated incident, but there are a lot of veterans in the same boat'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no vonliege, your premiums are going down, onslaught implied i was lying'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'did I?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '870% increase is a premium decrease, conspiracy theoriest'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I thought I said exactly what you said'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'how is that lying?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not been decided yet, so there is hope, but it is a very real possiblity that active duty military will have to buy insurance'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'unless you're admitting to lying'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well make up your mind... is it 870% of what you pay now or isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and what do you pay now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and who provided this information anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, provide sources for your health insurance costs. the bill isn't a credible source'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my premium will go up to $4,999 anual if I take the cheapest option... ATM, I pay $570 anual '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhm, Tiger he just said his bill didn't go up yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so how can he have a bill?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's called sarcasm, onslaught'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'is it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'My situation will change in July... though I have not yet been advised what, exactly, I will be elidgable for'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry I figured you were telling the future again'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you know, like you did before'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're an army vet, you're eligible to be put on a terrorist list, and have your guns arbitrarily confiscated under trumped up charges of mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'try and get brain surgery coverage'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'okay so $5000 annually'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'roughly... best guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or $416 a month or so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'works out to baout that, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that won't be very easy I'm sure'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it'll be a chunk'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I've seen worse though'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'just print and borrow more money'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and you've been paying... $50 a month?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '$570 annual - one chunk'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, but again I'm figuring this monthly'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'most people pay monthly'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '$50 is close enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's really good'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It was really expensive'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if I were you, I'd be pissed off about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '$50 is really expensive?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I paid handsomely for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he went to war on behalf of you guys, you bet he paid handsomely for it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well as far as I'm concerned he should get free healthcare for life'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but he doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damn straight'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got free while I was on active duty'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and as far as $50 a month'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the way vets are being treated is criminal'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's good stuff for health care'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '570 is close to free'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '570 is close to free, 5000 isn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'in fact one of the reasons everyone else has such high premiums is because we're subsidizing people like our vets'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially if you're retired, or disabled'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then don't send them to fucking war'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I didn't vote for the guy who did'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you didn't vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I didn't?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my insurce subsidies and retirement comes directly out of the defense budget'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'everyone who votes voted for the guy who did?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they voted for a main political party, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't strike me as a third-party voter with your apathy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'are you utilizing more of that "I know everything, my name is Tigernuts" wisdom again?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'where does that money get borrowed from?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so anyway.. yeah I didn't vote for the guy who sent Vonliege to war'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but it doesn't really matter'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'just wondering'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not asking who you voted for, but both parties have been warmongers for the last 12 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oooh, so we had 2 presidents at a time then?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's odd.. I don't remember that.. or think it was possible'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'went to war for the bilderberg group'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the good news is that Micheal is on a campaign to improve the situation of military families'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you're just an unending well of genius there'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but anyway as I keep saying it matters not'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're going to have to troll a fair bit harder than that, onslaught, it doesn't even make any sense'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well you're right it doesn't... because you have no fucking clue who I voted for'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and no matter how to try to make it sound like everyone is at fault for everything'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's bullshit too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no point voting right? power corrupts, but it's all good'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't change it, just go along to get along'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well that's just silly'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'characterising your input tonight is silly?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just because both sides are corrupt doesn't mean one isn't LESS corrupt'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you just... well you just don't listen though'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Vonliege is being subsidized and it appears that may end'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so that millions more people can also get health care'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately both sides are corrupt as each other'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'the elite want to depopulate the earth by 4.5 billion'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so more of us wll be subsidizing each other'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not that it's "ending"... funding is being withdrawn, so there won't be any money to use'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's gonna such for some, but be great for others'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone will be subsiding the profit margins of insurance providers'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hm.. well Vonliege were you in WWII?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ah... no'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'then you know how much life sucks... some jackass sent you to a bullshit war'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and unfortunately life is going to suck again if you end up paying $400+ a month for health insurance'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'when you've BEEN paying so little'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'either way - I singed up for it... but there were conditions.  I made a contract with the US government over a quarter century ago.  Now that I've paid my part of the contract, they've changed the contract.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but life will suck a little less for other people, some of them haven't had insurance at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could always migrate to the UK, get third rate care, live in poverty then die of a flesh-eating bacteria in hostpiral'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so that's kind of nice'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah that's life. The guys in power fuck over the guys not in power'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally think that sucks, VL'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'power corrupts :('
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we already covered that though'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tiger thinks you can come up with enough people who aren't corrupted by power to actually change the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'maybe you can get together with him and... change the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but then you said you refuse to do that cause you get to be lazy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you change the system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so now I dunno man'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it won't be me... but I would think someone would have done the risk analysis on pissing off a bunch of combat vets - all the HLS attention vets get isn't for no reason, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'looks like we're all screwed'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'HLS?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'home land securtiy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ngos'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh VL.. please don't tell me you're making those kinds of implications'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean that's just shitty'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'HLS are making those kinds of implications'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't care HOW many wars you fougfht'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VL doesn't have to'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like I said, it won't be me... I'm too stable...'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah yeah, won't be you, but you couldn't blame those who aren't as stable'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'come on'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a lot of unhinged vets out there'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of just pissed off ones, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and desperate in some cases'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh - I'd blame them... There's no justification for murder or assasination, or even anarchy... but I'm just saying, I would understand how it came to be'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wow... you guys are actually excusing terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so long as they're not muslims I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that's just fucked up'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is combat vets being angry about being screwed over terrorism?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hahaha yeah.. you blame them, but you can understand them'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no excuses going on here'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... like when the dog eats the cat... I whoop the dog, but I know why it ate the cat'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and Tiger is playing dumb'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were in there shoes, i'd be picketing, striking, and taking part in civil disobedience as would be my right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'which isn't a huge stretch, but still not working'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'right right.. all those "unstable" "combat vets" that "HLS is watching" who are just gonna go picket and stuff'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'i think the patriot act made that all illegal'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'moron'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you think I'm a moron :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i forgot, you're an obama supporter, someone dissenting of the government is a terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean really'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cap fits'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts gallantly tips his hat.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's kinda tricky for vets to "picket" or "protest".  one - it's not in our nature (we've been following orders for along time), and two - It's always a media frenzy (Crack pot war vets on the rampage)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why such a protest holds weight'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's analogous to police striking in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ok VL we know what you're saying'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Tiger is trying to be clever'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'a person that will give up liberty for safety deserves neither'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, considering it was the bushy boys who did the patriot act, I would think that they are the facists.....obama is fresh air, like clinton was.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the proportion of "unstable" vets to the rest is way smaller than HLS would make out'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'in any case it's still pretty fucked up you guys are talking like this'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just politics'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if they are unstable, how about helping them rather than shooting/victimising them?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know, like a civilised country would'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'we could give them free healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but that'd be socialist'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could take away their free healthcare, but that'd be obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'they could be cops'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so fuck it, charge them $10000 a year to make up for the subsidized healthcare we been giving them for so many years'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would be seriously distraught if a vet were to commit some serious act of viloence in protest of his situation - It would have negative ramifications across the entire width of vets and servicemen and women'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'apparently some of them think inferring domestic terrorism is ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so fuck them'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no idea what domestic terrorism is'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I don't feel sorry for them anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'of course not'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try living in England/Ireland int he 1980s'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you just keep knowing everything for us'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'that way we won't have to'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'speaks volumes for your education system'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught nods.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an army vet going schizo and shooting people is a shame, and a crime, it is not terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you disagree, i would suggest you go read the definition of terrorism in a dictionary'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what about opression or fascism'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'depenends on their motives and their objectives'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically, It could be.. if his actions were politically motivated - if he's just pissed off, then it's not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wow... Vonliege and I agree again :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'discussing the second amendment is considered a terrorist activity today.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not bad'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if, but if they go schizo because they're broke, ill, and can't handle it, that's not terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well sirhan sirhan , if not hypnotized, was motivated by us politics toward palestine'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but he was a terrorist right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'naw that guy was an inside plot'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was set up'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught nods.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah, he was set up'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'funny thing is Tiger probably believes that :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congress believed it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and tsarnaevs family link to cia... no setup right'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"terrorism" is one of the words that is being bent and morphed to mean differetn things... The word invokes a different meaning that what it reall is... sort of like the word "racist" as opposed to "biggot"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tsarnaevs are what happens when you piss around with provocateurs'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same as the london 7/7 bombers'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'regardless its still used as a reason to be anally searched'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats like having their anuses probed'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'just getting more and more mature around here'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'everyone gets probed now'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'like your mom'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'not a joke'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't like being probed, you're a homophobe'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught snickers with Vonliege about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'your mom = mature'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'now that was funny'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'guilty until proven innocent'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your mom's odour is mature'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mm, love brandy fruit cakes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'meals in a jar....mix em up in the jar, and store for 5-7 years, use them as you need.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Lot of news chatter about action on off-shore tax havens and their use by large companies like Apple, Google'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and RizCorp'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damnit, riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pay your taxes!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(i have to :-( )'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we buy bread in a can with our profits....'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and bacon in a can....gotta have the bacon in a can.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm quite surprised your admin hasn't suggested compulsory tax-at-source'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(which we have here)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'canned meals in a jar are good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm... Wonder why it's growing so quiet around here?
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You lick your lips and smile.
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'bah, when did animal cracker become imm only'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never had canned lion.....but canned dried venison is good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and hamburger rocks....good stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so abelinc, it is your contention that any physical stimlation can cause a guy a lasting erection, even if its from an ugly chick, or a gay guys mouth or so on?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shoot. that as for curse sorry'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how long have the british been canning breads and cakes ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since the war'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the war with the romans ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ww2'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta be longer than that....they have canned breads on ships in the 1800s.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'been popularised since ww2 and rationing'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most stuff like that has been around since before time in memorial'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'romans even made a popular club drink to deliberately give themselves lead-poisoning.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just find it interesting how the govt says canned breads and cakes are dangerous for you, but preppers have been making it for decades.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do they say it's dangerous? given that they turn a blind eye to corps that poison food/environment'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'not getting a flushot is bad too'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my grandma has been making easter bread in coffee cans ever since she was a kid.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the actual reason given for their claims?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'botulism.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's because of botulism.  Other considerations include(d) what the container was made of (the very first canned foods were stored in lead containers), how much salt and other stuff was in the food (canned foods tend to have a lot of salt), and what kind of operational quality is involved (Cannery Row, anyone?)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently they feel that only USDA certified facilities are capable of canning stuff safely......even though almost all the food poisoning cases originate from USDA certified factories.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'botulin is harder to grow than yersinia'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can poison yourself by licking toilet bowels too, should we ban those too?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no you cant'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'toilet bowls are the cleanest surface in the average house.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cleaner than kitchen sinks?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no they aren't...they just aren't the dirtiest'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a lot cleaner than kitchen sinks, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is calcium stearate safe to eat?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k thx'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that should've been "k thx...brb"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'edibility does not define taste, however, so just because you CAN eat it doesn't mean you will be able to.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh just asking cause my kitchens powdered in it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like abelinc's drivebye putdowns'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were one of those trendy's, i'd hit the like button'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i liked driving by abelincs house while those ballons were outside'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since i'm not trendy and don't do mind-rotting crap like facebook, he'll have to settle for a letter that starts "Dear Sir, My daughter tells me..."'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not exactly a drive-by in his case.  He monitors everything like he's got a government job.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why's your mom writing me a letter?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps she's a fan?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'borax is a good cleaner, and vinegar.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I actually kinda picture him like that creepy crazy guy from The Pretender, the one who is able to type 120wpm on two separate computers at the same time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i second that, riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'John WAyne on liberalism....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btvSE6tVHzQ'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he talked about it in 1975'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you had $20 and 20 people in a room.....and gave each one $1....in a certain amount of time one of them in the room would have all $20...That is human nature, and you can try to legislate human nature, but you will always fail.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would the others have?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'self pity.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'woot self pity'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc waits for the Archie Bunker talks about democrats youtube post
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude waits for the arrival of the six fingered man
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damn, i have eight, i'll clear off thenm'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, there would be at least two people who had all 20.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but how many had all the beanie babies'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '20 is far too small of a sample size to allow for an accurate extrapolation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think it's about the $20, or $2,000,000,000, or 20 people, or 20 million people... it's just a comentary'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a fire-bombed icecream cart in downtown detroit doesn't count'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'michchan'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actone will evaporate in a couple hours if you just set the pan outside.... I can't believe you're turning to a bunch of mud-playing dorks to solve this for you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MISCHAN'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He-man!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'panthor'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Skeletor!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'his sister'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Man-at-arms!'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'triklops'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who was the old lady?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'evil lynn. king hiss'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'old lady, was the sorceress of castle grey skull'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and teelas mother'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn, evil lynn was pretty hot'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'When Obamacare passed, it was considered irrational that conservatives worried that death panels would favor liberals treatment over them in the inevitable rashoning process. But, now with the IRS scandal and all, is that still an irrational fear seeing the IRS is running key parts of Obamacare?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seperate, but relevent issues'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'what happened with the irs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Will Smith says, "Somehow, 'I told you so' just doesn't cut it."'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as part of their auditing process targetting teaparty/conservative groups, they collected lots of healthcare and taxes-unrelated info.  Not only of them, but of individuals related to them and future members.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ahh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, if you were friends of a tea partier, were family to them, or even if their message simply resonated with you but you didn't get past the Like them on Facebook stage, the IRS potentially has data on you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in terms of trust... I don't think many people would ever have said "I trust the IRS."  Now, with this incident, Most folks will simply say "I don't trust the IRS".  It will be a long long time before the IRS, and organization that is vilifiesd by it's very nature regains any amount of credibility.  But, if we want any form of government, we need to have revenue, and that means we need some form of an IRS.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'well here in canada 3. something billion dollars went missing for the "terrorism" budget'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'dont trust government period'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the government doesnt fear the people anymore and anyone who rebels what they say is labeled a terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would couch that by saying "be sceptical of government"....  To say you don't trust a government would indicate that you have given up on it entirely'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'and that would be a correct assumption'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'they seem to forget we dont work for them they work for us'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where are you going to move too?  Canada is far from the worst place to be'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'im doing to north korea lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only place the drones can't reach yet is Eden, but they no doubt have something far better.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'NK... if I didn't have my BS meter pegged, I'd ask if you were serious.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/l/s-l-linnea/chasing-eden.htm'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'someone has to stand up to the US and say no fuck yourself'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'drones are tools for bitch armys'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I get really pissed when I start thinking about the BS being shoveled out of washington - from BOTH sides... but I really have no better place to go.  I guess I just watch for the "awakening"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd say "revelution", but that's so cliche'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'didnt you know revolution is terrorism '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'my main concern is why is the dhs stock piling ammo'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'riot control'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'they are taking your bullets since they cant get your guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'interesting point on your "fear" and "Terrorism" comment... Government DOES fear the people - but the word "terrorism" has been twisted to make the people fear other people more and turn to the govenment to save them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well second amendment doesn't guarantee access to ammo :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol abel'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to this day, German people will rat out their neighbor like it's a God mandated duty...  past German governments used that to great effect'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the german people are great'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'taken as a whole - I'd go along with that... but man have they got some hangups'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'kinda wish that hitler feller didnt go off the deep end tho'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly don't want to open that can... the channel tends to devolve pretty quick'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'their worst-case scenario is that several smallish events all happen at the same time, slinging the public moreorless en masse over the cliff into outright warfare.  By isolating each event, they can better control the outcome (even if for truly compassionate reasons rather than dark conspiracy ones).'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I sort of lost you there, hans... can you define some of the pronouns?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they/their = the government.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. I can see that... they really don't want a coalescing flash point that 'kicks it all off"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'id like to see that'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they don't want the people getting a "wakeup call", if you will.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'rite on the money'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'one thing i was reading was how the nazis used floride to keep the jews more doscile'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the administration is holding its own pretty well even with three hot issues beating at their door... they just keep the door closed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'what are these issues?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'say nothing - deny everything'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the three issues are "IRS Scandal", "Bengahzi", and "AP Phone Records"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all hitting pretty hard, but not having any real effect.  I suspect (I, as in just me) that the IRS will be thrown under the bus as a sacrificial lamb... to sate the wolves nipping at their heels.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ive seen stuff about the ap phone thing didnt really look into it all that much tho i am going to have to do a search on the other 2 head some stuff about bengahzi but havent looked into iit'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's plenty out there from all perspectives'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'whats the break down of the ap phone thing and bengahzi'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't just go to Fox or MSNBC.com'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not even that.  Right now the field has more than just 2-3 groups battling for supremacy.  You've got the political factions (D/R/I, conservatives vs liberals vs moderates), and you've got the criminals (gangs, cartels, petties, terrorists).  The rest of the public is mostly just spectating now, and it's our moderation that keeps everyone else in check.  If the public goes all-in with the criminals, the government's in a deep shithole it might not be able to get out of without diving into Third World stuff.  If the public goes all-in with government, though, we'll have a far more coherent Star Trek- or Nazi-like existence.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bengahzi was where the US ambasador to Libya (and three others) were killed by terrorists - The AP Phone was 'gathering' phone records from some 20 AP reporters to try and figure out who the source of their information was on various stories'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'or just dont be a d*ck'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I prefer Richard, anyway =)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: ')'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'that ap thing cant be good '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: ')'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: ')'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the only reliable news i seem to come by and actually feel like its truthful is from the RT'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'and i use truthful losely'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not so sure it's really 'bad'... Governments and law enforcement have to be able to go after 'bad' people, or in this case, probobly 'good' people that are putting national security at risk... The big thing there is that the 'freedom of the press' is somewhat of a sacred cow... sort of like no punching babies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's the RT?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'russan news'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'and they actually seem legit with what they come out with'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'more precisly... english speaking, news about america... from Russia'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'theyll say whatever you want for the right price'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol any new agency will'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'news'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't let 'em suck you in too far... everything they report has a pro-russian slant... look at their report on the recent UN resolutions against Syria, if you need an example.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard tell they're selling leftover printers from the Cold War era because the Kremlin can't pay them anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The only thing that recommends them is that they don't get inbetween right and left as far as american politics go... it's more of a resifual east vs west angle'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'and if they dont take the dictators line they die'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'and they dont really need to cover up any dirty little secrets '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'hey now dictators arent all that bad'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. in fact, it's in their interest to stir the pot... both the left AND right ones'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'look at pussy riot'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'my opionion on it all is to much talk not enough action'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the US needs another jfk'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'just dont use banks or shop at walmart)'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'its easy'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'my grandparents never used a bank i guess it rubbed off on me'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i like having the cash where i can see it '
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'JFK wouldn't last too long in todays socio-political arena.  history is showing that he wasn't all that shiny'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if there's one thing that society has gotten very very good at, it's destroying a hero quickly'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'like who?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'jfk was the last real people elected president'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'jfk tried to take down the federal reserve didnt he?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'or planned on trying it back then he seen what the problem was before it happened'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'JFK wasn't a real-people president.  Joe Sr. was a huge behind-the-scenes force getting everything done.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he tried to do alot of things... most that I wouldn't agree with... but he did have leadership capability - he had a way for coaxing people to meet his agenda - as opposed to "you'll do it because I'm the PRESIDENT and I sayso!"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he would've bombed very, very hard if it wasn't for his father making it rain.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'if i was president id be more like do it ordie'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... it wasn't rain... it was milk and honey'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege -)
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'theres always good conversation on here and the people are brilliant'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'my beliefs are pretty insane but theyre my rights as a person to have them'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'depends on your location - I guess canada is pretty safe... but there is a fair amount of stiffling there'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'id feel safe in a 3rd world slum'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly better if you felt paranoid or at least wary... feeling safe'll get you killed pretty quick in some parts fo the world'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'canada is pretty sweet tho except for the moron in charge rite now'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at the risk of cracking the religion can wide open... Preach from the Book of Romans will get you deported pretty quick'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and don't even think of transporting a gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'religion shouldnt even be on the level that it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what part of Canada?  I grew up just south of Manitoba... when we went to the "big city", it was winnipeg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'let's talk about bagchecking at airports.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'im in nova scotia'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'canadas 3rd world as we like to call it'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically, it's first world by virtue of NATO.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'not in nova scotia'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but first, second and third world definitions are a bit antiquated'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is NS part of Canada?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'does nova scotia have running water?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have broadband.  That clearly makes them first-world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'nato calculates world orders by number of walmarts'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'hahahaha'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's the UN... NATO uses the "us and them" metric'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet their poor also have fancy, subscription-based TVs, hot name-brand clothing, and pimped-out cars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no sh**?  I'm moving... eh.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'shrug, they have that in the US...'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I always did like Molen'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'how many mcdonalds per square km?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'molsen'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ohhhh yeahhhh!! Canada has the best hockey players! Let the taunting begin!
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'only one where im living'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'yeah you need 400 to be considered 2nd world+'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'and thats roughly  a 25 50 km radius'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i avoid mcdicks'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"second world" refers to the cold war Soviet block and their allies'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'lol does it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'they should just start dropping bombs last country standing gets it all'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hence my comment about the whole system of first, second and third world being antiquated... the only one that sticks is "thrid world", and that's only the underdeveloped, too-poor-to-matter aspect, not the neutral, not getting involved aspect.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'theirs a few places like that everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically, under the definitions during the cold war, sweden and switzerland are "thrid world"'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while some may debate it, I would propose that they are NOT backwards or primitive countires'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but they are neutral'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at least on the outside'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most of the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... some of the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'their rulers are as short as North Korea's.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'their day will come'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but not as wide'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'theyll eat shit as much as everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'when it comes down to it youll eat shit or die'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're applying the wrong definition of ruler, Von'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'i guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i can see 50 percent of the population dieing off due to starvation if something apocolypseish happened'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'snoty bitchy house wives first'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'north korea?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'way more than that'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'spoiled rich shitheads second'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'll probably come down to the 13 families that survived the last apocalypse.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'china would take north korea'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'between direct starvation, and the implications of what else would be going on during the starvation... it would be ALOT more'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'id sit myself out for the first 6 months and let the dumbasses thin out the herd a bit'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you have the option.  will be hard to hide.  especially if you are prepared'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you go hermit, you'll just be overrun.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege nod
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a roving swarm of starving people will be just like army ants'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't expect them to sit in the cities and starve'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'get in with the groups early, share everything, and pray to whatever god you'll shit your pants for that a bigger group doesn't find you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'yea thats kind of true'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, and shoot to kill.  Your chance of discovery goes way up if you let a runner go.'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'well ya'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'im not all that dumb'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'everyone except billionaires would be slaves long before that point'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'id kill anything within killing range'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'all rich would buy their own armies'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'with what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'money'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'money wouldnt have any value'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'before everything colapsed'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you may even want to maintain a mobile existence, since those you have to deal with probably left from somewhere else (which means someone else might come looking for them).'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'they control money so they would know when exactly'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'the common person would be screwed no matter what'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'no chance'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'speak for yourself'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'thats what the bilderberg group does'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i know how to hunt and how to live off the land'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'they decide where weapons go'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'so its already over'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'theyd find you'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'and take your fish'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'they cant even find bigfoot lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'they arent going to find shit in the middle of nova scotia'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'well maybe bear shit'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'theyll kill all the bears'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'and sell their fur carpets at walmart for $2'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'if they havent already'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'well its been nice talking but i need sleep gotta wake up and work in the am for a multi billion dollar company for chump change'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'take care'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'fuck i could sell crack and make more in a day then i could in a month where im working lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'you aswell hashtag'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"yes, your honor.  I shot Bob.  I thought about it, then I pointed the gun at his head and killed him.  I'm relly sorry I did it......   Can I go now?"'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the folks at the IRS don't understand why this whole issue is still being talked about.  They said "we're sorry"'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Paul Ryan is so obnoxious'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I'll go along with that... he thinks he's pretty, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well he IS pretty'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but he's pretty smart'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and he IS pretty smart'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but he's an ass'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'all of these things probably relate to each other'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can't imagine I'd like to have him over for a cook out'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I'm thinking that poor ex-IRS schmuck is going to slit his wrists later'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think there'd be alot of folks that would just as soon he did it now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it would provide alot of opportunity'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'the stupid thing is if anything ever gave plenty of motivation to reform the IRS and the tax code, this is it'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but they won't'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so why should I believe either side actually gives a shit about this?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'except to use it to score political points'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It has too much of a "life of its own"'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am somewhat amused by the phase "they've just taken it an politicized it!"... as if that makes it a non-issue.  EVERYTHING in washington is "politicized"'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'both sides'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'far as I'm concerned any "503c" group that puts up an election commercial should lose its tax exempt status'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wether it's hammering on the administration over Benghazi, or filling a stage with the classmates of dead children and pushing gun control... it's just all plitical'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Acorn would be in a world of hurt'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Acorn doesn't exist anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but if it did, fine hurt it'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Moveon.org too'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '"non-political" my ass'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think the loophole is that they (both sides) can be "political", as long as they meet a certain threshhold for "community and social" benefit.  I don't think anyone expects them to be "non-political"'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hmmmmm....  CNN reporting video of Toronto mayor smoking crack cocaine'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what is your newest top 10 movie? 2007 here.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Chairman Camp's question to an defrocked IRS Commisioner: "So you didn't notify your superiors?"  The response: "I don't know why I should notify the.. the... superiors.  It was in the news"'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Gortons Seafood is owned by a japanese conglomerate......'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://info.publicintelligence.net/DoD-CivilianLawEnforcement.pdf&chrome=true'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like the DHS is going after Bitcoin'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the start of stricter capital controls?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, first ryan reynolds screwed up The Green Lantern, but now he is going to screw up The Highlander, in the reboot.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't reboot the Highlander'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just over $102 billion of the computer giants nearly $145 billion in cash is held overseas, according to the companys most recent quarterly report. Apple wants to avoid paying what Cook said would be a 35 percent tax rate if that money was repatriated to the United States.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so... ban government purchases of their stuff :-p'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or lower the corporate tax to 25% which would be inline with other major economies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do both'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corporate tax revenue in the US is much lower compared to other big countries, even though we have a much higher tax rate.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our corp tax is 20%, they still won't pay tax'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Apple is wants to build a factory in Texas to produce the ipod, as well a new design and engineering center for its products.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt you'll dole out tax incentives for that'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course, that is what you need to do to diversify your economic base, and produce lots of new jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'provided it does create lots of new jobs'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and provided those jobs value outweigh the loss of revenue'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, wanna help me up my resume? '
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What loss of revenue?  Texas has no income tax, and it has a small franchise tax on businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'texas has cb royalty tax doesnt it'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'a. not cb. freaking android spellchecker'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only on oil and gas, and mineral products.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the local counties will most likely offer prop tax abatements for a few years though to get the research center in their county, but chances are it will be built around Austin.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Round Rock Texas, a surburb of Austin is the Texas version of Redmond Washington.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A New York City Powerball winner can expect to pay about $197.1 million  or more than half of a $376.9 million lump sum payment  in federal, state and city taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the keep people poor tax.....if you give a family member or a stranger more than $14,000 in a year, you owe 35% gift tax to the feds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, what if you loan it to them instead as anon recourse loan'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would have to be a real loan, with an attorney drawing up the papers, legal fees, etc, and with a normal interest rate....'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'not according to the irs's complex tax issues phone line for personal tax .'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they recognize both recourse and non recourse loans/debts'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'this is why rich people use companies to buy stuff for their kids....just have your company own the car, or house and 'rent' it to your kids.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, i want a company, but the filing costs are steep'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, find me a cheap way to incorporate in nevada as a non resident... and ill incorporate in nevada as a non resident'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then get a phone, TN'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shopping for a friend, vl'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K... sort of limits your options'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll take her through it tomorrow, w8 is out of the question, so it'll be a bit more expensive, but heh'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't hold with all this new metro bollocks, especially if your laptop is to be a work horse, and not just some wanky trendy thing for gawping at facebook like a zombie with'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger i have some extra phones. what provider'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will she really care about 7/8'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, she doesn't do change'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so she's on 7 now... makes sense then'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on vista now, but has a 7 laptop already'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also has legacy hardware/software to run'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jeez, slow news day, i guess they're all scandalled out'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vCjssK-i4Mg'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's what I comment on a bit ago:  [17 May 13:28:10] (Debate) Vonliege: 'Chairman Camp's question to an defrocked IRS Commisioner: "So you didn't notify your superiors?"  The response: "I don't know why I should notify the.. the... superiors.  It was in the news"''
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you need to close the IRS'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sack everyone'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they, or something like them is neccessary'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got to have revenue to make the country go... it's just a matter of scope and scale'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone would not-have-a-replacement'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ever considered paying-at-source?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the smart rifles start shipping this week.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's smart about them?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have a network tracking scope, a laser, a precision-tracking app (on an ipad mini), and a trigger lock that only lets you pull when certainty of impact is great.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for $22,500, though, I'm rather disappointed they don't come with some of those nifty smart bullets.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'essentially, the smart rifle lets you just point in the general direction of the target to achieve a shot accuracy better than most cops have.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'medievia had a command clear... double period'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the IRS is monitoring social media for tax frauds now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They are coming for you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hide'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so anyone who was counting on the Benghazi thing to actually damage the President need a box of kleenex now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'still havent read up on it'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Republicans got so excited about it they actually altered emails from the White House before leaking them to the media'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still waiting for obama to come to everyone's house to confiscate the guns!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't worry, he will Riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, another kook :('
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I've been told as much for 5 years now'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ah, good!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so it must be true'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, as long as the kooks say it is true, it must be!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I think the problem is the UN is coming for our guns too'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but Obama wants them'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'so they're kinda arguing about it'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, obama wants to store them at Fort Knox.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since the gold was sold years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'don't be ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'he's going to melt them all down'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and make handcuffs for the FEMA camps'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'atleast you know where 2.3 billion dollars went to kinda stumped the canadian ones since they cant find where it went'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'An oil company is drilling for oil within 2 miles of the US Strategic Oil Reserve oil storage fields here in Texas.....That oil company is drinking the govts milkshake!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'speaking of milkshakes... Angelina Jolie broke my heart today'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cause she had her boobs removed ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'SHHHH'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'god don't say it out loud'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'hahahahaha'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'She has new ones though!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'at least I still have Salma Hayek'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i seen that a few days ago lets hope women dont start that '
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yeah yeah.. look you can't replace some of the best natural breasts in Hollywood'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you still have emma watson, you pervert. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'she didnt replace them'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'She had reconstructive surgery to replace her boobs.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'selma hayek hasnt aged at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hm.. Emma Watson... how'd you know I'm such a big fan?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'onslaught youll always have the gigi movie'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'gigi nothing'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Taking Lives'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'man, tom cruise was almost iron man :('
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tom cruise looks nothing like stark though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'praise jesus '
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apparently it was a toss up....not sure how it could have been.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wow I hate Tom Cruise... so... much...'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'probably the drug problem.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rdjr signed up for im4, woo'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guess he couldnt turn down the $25 million paycheck.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the guns are actually for the IRS.  It just looked too weird to have them buying shotguns.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, after 12 years, money magazine still wants me back!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'It's because you're a baller'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think they reall give a rats arse about you, Riz... they do like your 'money' though'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they love me.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love is a fickle thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Playdonkey loves me too....'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Noegel... I was afraid some wet-back drug lord had made you their bitch... wecome back.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Lol no.... just a lot of cases and paperwork these past few days'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm off for two days though yay'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watch your back, obama might shoot you with your own gun.....since he is rationing your ammo.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Meh, I have tons saved up from over the years'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what chaps my ass is that I can't even get small pistol primers to make my own bullets'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wow really'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'small/large pistol, and large rifle... Zero inventory... ANYWHERE...'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all you can get are shotgun and ... sorry... small can't get, large CAN get'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'can still buy 5 mm shells.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you CAN get large rifle... CAN'T get small rifle'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pretty esoteric round... not alot of guns feed on 5mm'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost impossible to find .22 bullets around here...'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'double edge there... you can get 'em now, but you won't be scavenging them later'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can still get .22  Trouble is, .22 has a shelf life.. after about 3 years, you get about 10% misfire rate'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'after 10 years, that goes up to about 30%'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'new stock only'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'do you buy the cheap ones, or good brands ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for some reason, the old stuff last alot longer'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cheap one, of course... a 1,000 round box doesn't last more than a couple months around my house'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wrap the boxes in wax paper, and then melt wax around them, and storage....will last decades.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when I say cheap, I mean remington golden, as an example'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I draw the line at eagle'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'federal is cheap and pretty good'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'winchester is cheap and pretty good'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I havn't tried any of the really cheap china brands'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bleh, I dont buy bullets from china.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some of the winchester comes from tiawan'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'taiwan vs phillippines , wonder when they will go to war'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when their proxy decide they should'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'pinoy pride.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy some jungle on Hawaii and build a concrete cabin.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unimproved land with no utilities is cheap.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'limited egress'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course unimproved land in washington state along the west coast is nice....lots of firewood.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and several egress options'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a concrete cabin in hawaii would go undetected for about 30 minutes'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, a concrete cabin/bunker can go unseen forever.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'surrounded by jungle, and overgrowth.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'differential heat signature'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no way to mimic the surounding vegetation and earth'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tell that to the old WWII bunkers in alaska....all the coastal cities built them, and then promptly forgot about them....'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well.. that's not true.. you could do it with some moderatly sophisicated hardware'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it might have worked then'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no satallites - no drones - to thermal imaging scopes'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they didnt find some of them until the last couple years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pain in the ass to find them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the military has lost whole countries, doesnt surprise me that they lost a few bunkers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no body was REALLY looking for them except a few hobbyists'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to buy some of them though.....but they are in national parks now :('
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and in the end, it was radioshack grade electronics that found the one on the south side of Fort Abercrombie in the kodiaks'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you ever been to fort abercrombie ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'flew in grub on september 12, 2001'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'didn't get out'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ah, too bad....it has some of the best tasting water in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was 'near' Fort Abercrombie.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a natural pressured spring'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'flew A LOT of grub around Alaska from Sep 12 to around Sep 20th'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'water has been coming out of that spring since forever, you can fill up water jugs there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was the peak of hunting season, you know'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a lot of hunters had been put out in various places, and then all the planes were grounded'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'get out those walking boots!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we flew MREs out to them... we gave them the option of a ride back for them, their gun, and any valuable hunting gear (optics and such), but they had to leave their meat, tents and other supplies'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or they could wait it out'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in shich case we left food and water.... and a newpaper'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the air sure was clear during the grounding.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we had it all to ourselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wasn't even any air traffic control on duty'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, I mean clear as clear clear, not clear of traffic :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'except military'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no chemtrails messing up the sky'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was nice.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I really don't think a million planes would make much of a dent in the air volume in alaska, but I take your meaning'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you mean H2O trails?'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically, chemical I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the kooks call em chemtrails, get with your inner artbell!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Love me some chemicals'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the vapor trails you see from high flying jets is just compressed water vapor from their passing'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like an instant cloud'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I suppose there is some exhaust, too, but it's negligable'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you can't see that'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the aliens use em to mask their flying around the world......'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was actually a government study into how much sunlight is blocked by vapor trails... I should see if I can find that'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Probably negligible compared to actual clouds'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'clouds cause global cooling?!!?  Stop the presses!  We can save the earth!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear winter!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bah... google is only returning UK based stories'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'UK science is false.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bed time'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, more oil and gas drilling taking place in NY near the Penn border!  Bonanza!'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tornadoes in maine....right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'live fish do not just fall out of the sky.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I want to be in a car pool that has self driving electric cars. Wonder how long I'll have to wait.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I want them to be autonomous enough that I can just order one up, and it will drive next to me when I need it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm too lazy to drive.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'they already have those things - they're called taxis'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Taxis are expensive because they are driven by people. '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's one profession that will disappear soon.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'And self driving cars will be expensive because technology.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, they will be cheap because they use electronics.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Cheaper to make a person then electronics.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Definitely not. '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'K. You're welcome to be wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, in a car pool, with autonomous cars that are used 24/7, price is not that vital.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'midwives are cheap i bet'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I can afford to get a new TV every month if I want, but I can only afford a handful of kids, at most.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr at that point a trolley or train sounds more viable'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Trains can't drive up to my house and pick me up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so... this complex conversation about demi-bees, is it like a precursor to the concept of haecity?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'red and black, friend of jack, red and yellow, kill a fellow.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wonder if you could use insects to convert unedible cellulose into edible protein and fat... that would be a nice way to feed the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sometimes, even big organizations like the WHO, have good idead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, termites turn wood cellulose into what it needs for food, so I am sure someday we will figure out how to use their digestive chemicals to break down cellulose into its basic sugars and proteins.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and cellulosic ethanol and biodiesel would be 10x more efficient compared to corn ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, sure, but by using insects, in this case, I meant just growing insects and eating them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Insects seem to be really high in fat and protein, just what we need.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'roasted grasshoppers are tasty, and provide a lot of protein'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like to try that some day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'll eat anything that had a parent.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go to an asian market sometime'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or even better, go to morocco....they will cook the grasshoppers in front of you at the city markets.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Insects would probably also work better for small farming, or even personal use. It's harder to grow your own cow than to grow some insects.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is why most africans prefer goat, south americans also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Goats don't work in sweden though, it's too cold for them :('
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are goats that can survive the swedish winter :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they have them in patagonia argentina.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, but they are uncommon here.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I could probably grow insects on my balcony, but definitely not a goat.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or rabbits'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, I guess. But slaughtering rabbits is more complicated.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'takes 30 seconds to skin a rabbit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can watch videos on youtube :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Guinea pigs would work too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I have some research to do :D'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or rats'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Rabbits are too lean, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fancy rats.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have plenty of wild rats, but I don't think I want to eat them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They eat garbage, so they are probably not that healthy to eat.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, breed them yourself....that is why you need fancy rats.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer eating animals that eat a natural (for them) diet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the white lab rats are inbred, and probably not good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'll probably stick with growing vegetables on my balcony... nobody reports you to the police if you forget to water them, but with animals there are more regulations.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hard to grow a complete protein on your balcony though'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with plants that is.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless you can grow soybeans on your balcony :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't eat legumes, they are not a natural food for humans.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I can't feed myself off my balcony anyways... it's just a spice in life.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should put a moose on your balcony.....that would be fun...:)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My best bet to feed myself in a self-sustaining way would probably be to become a hunter. We have load of boar, moose, deer and other stuff in sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, get one of those hunting crossbows'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Can't hunt with a crossbow here, it's illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because you used to be Vikings ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because some politician had too much time, I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should shoot him with the crossbow.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you defend yourself from a charging boar?  Throw a politician at it, and hope it eats him ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'becuase a conventional PC would CHOKE under the proccessing demands... in AARD, you mind fills in so many details that just couldn't be matched by current generatoin of proccessors and video cards'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MISCHAN'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) FirstBlade Gladacus: 'how did you know i was listening to So?:p'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so Angelina Jolie has a double masectamy because she carries a gene for a form a breast cancer... the presence of this gene means she has a 85% chance of getting the cancer... she made a choice.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cool. genetic masectomies'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'under socialized medicine, do you think that YOU will have the choice?  or will you be REQUIRED to have the double masectamy?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von... can we also spay and neuter diabetics and people with glaucoma?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly not in America...'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why not. we did that sort of thing in the 20s,socialism leads to devaluing people who dont contribute.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BUT... look at the German model for abortion - IF early tests indicate an abnormal pregnancy, you are REQUIRED to have an abortion - or you will be personnaly responsible for all cost and expenses associated with the birth, care and LIFE of the child'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, abnormal meaning what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for many, that's not really much of a choice'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'spinal bifida, hydrocephelitus, etc...'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'defects'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'any defect that would mean the child would be less than healthy upon birth'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von well traditionally the cost of children was theresponsility of a family, not the public'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not under socialism... the cost of a child is born by society'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'defects, like being born blind, or defects like a partially leaking valve in the heart?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is an ENORMOUS over reaching statement... so tone it down a bit'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't have the exact criteria... other than the two I named specifically'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'down syndrom is another'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k. what about adhd?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dunno'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what about acne... dunno... what about red hair... dunno'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what about if they are shown to have an incompatible blood type with the mothers'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hum. what happens to catholic germans then'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya know Vamp... I don't "dislike" you.  you're not mean, or terribley rude, but you're like the kid in the back seat that is constantly saying "are we there yet" are we there yet".... That, and I have never seen you make a valid contribution to any coversation in any channel... you sire, are a waste of pixels'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, first you promote eugenics, then you fail to answer simple questions.  why the hate bro'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'based on your input, I'd have to gues you age at around 5 or 6, except that you type faster than a 6 year old'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what about this or that or this... what does it matter?  it's just more of the same that's already been stated'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it does matter. minority rights exist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you DO bring up an interesting issue - Eugenics'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on the outside, a somewhat sinister word - choosing who breeds and who doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the entire natural world practices it... EXCEPT humans'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well.. except MOST humans'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, humans do too.  we just dont put survival first.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but even WE practice a limited version of it... we select who we 'hook up' with... and when we stop discriminating who we 'hook up' with, we end up with crap'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if you want to evaluate the axiology of breeding, be my guest'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well when you apply morals and values to breeding, you seperate yourself from the rest of nature'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that makes us human, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what values though'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... and please consider this clinically... should anyone be able to breed with anyone at any time and produce any amount of offspring?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wanting a child with strong muscles? blonde hair? big chests?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yes. of course.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'should a farmer be allowed to farm any crop they want?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what about means of support?  should someone who is unable to support themselves produce MORE of themselves that they also can not support?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what the farmer plants, the farmer takes care of'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'for instance, farming rape near a major city, that's not a good idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bad analogy, since the farmer then SELLS it, but I took your meaning'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dont think someone unable to support  themself would attract many mates. so youre using a straw man'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von. anyone can be a farmer if they have seed, land, time, water, and sun'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is it a strawman?  look at the birthrates of socially dependent people in America... welfare people have more children.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'some will be better farmers than others'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would refere you to the US Census web site for the actual numbers'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'just because someone wont be an octomom, doesnt mean she shouldnt be allowed to try'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'welfare people? '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'people on public assistance - people who can't provide for themselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'havent seen that statistic before. but we give welfare to theelderly too. many who had kids when younger'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah. people on public assistance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and who's children may or maynot be making a contribution... the elderly themselves may or may not have contributed... the elderly are null in this issue'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so basically... your rationale is that children are a burden, and the rich should be forced to bear the burden of child rearing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the elderly are PAST reproductive age anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me break that down - children are a burden, yes.  Obviously... kids need pampers and gerbers and cell phones... the rich should be forced to bear the burden - no... the parents should bear the burden.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a child's basic needs should be provided for by their parents'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok. so you dont see children as being a neccesity for society to continue?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes - obviously.  children are neccesary for society to continue'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'next'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so where do we draw the line. between children as aburden, and children as a neccesity'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'children are a neccessary burden - duh... but if you can't support one... don't have one'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so then... if you can support several children, must you go do so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you can support two - have two.  if you can support only three don't have four'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is it a moral responsiblity to society to raise kids if you are wealthy?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'restate that... it is a confusing statement'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can't tell what you are asking'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or is there only a tangental importance of children at all in this equasion, and   you merely wish welfare recipients would go find a cave to squat in and minimize their burden to society?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'VD, vonliege is only saying who should NOT, he's not making any statements or judgements on the converse'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, i think that if it is a moral question, there must be statements for both sides'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... I'm pretty sure that's what I'm saying... thanks Abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so he's not saying if you can afford children that there's any compelling reason to have them (other than your own desire)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, there mustn't be'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok. so this discussion isnt really about kids at all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its about whether or not welfare recipients should try not to burden society/'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... but there IS a larger issue... children are just the micro-topic'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'which is the mistake -- once a child exists, it is the responsibility of society to make sure that it had a, for example, shelter, education and health care'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'generational dependence on government is a problem'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'children being a necessity isn't really true either...there will be more than enough children for society to go on'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'vonliege, noone is the best at everything. some of us are better at b de ing honest, some are good at pirating software, some are good at being born wealthy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so there's never a "please have children" situation'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'just cause were good at one thing, or bad at another, doesnt mean we will excel at parenting.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it should be the parents responsibility, Swalec - Society has to step in when the parent fails to do so - and if the parent can't provide for them selves, it's a forgone conclusion that they will not be able to provide for a child'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Vonliege this does not change the fact that it is societies responsibility -- I would agree that in most cases, the way that society achieves this is to leave it to the parents'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dont think wealth is an indicator of good parentage ... nor do i think wealthy parents are incapable of abusingkids'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is true, VD... '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, it's my responsibility that my son is fed, but in most cases, I can put the food in front of him and let him eat'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'VD: none of which has anything to do with the topic'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i do think that working class parents will raise more children who join the work force.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not debating that... rich people can suck as parents... but they tpically can FEED their children'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc. you walked in late. but fine. you win. abortion good. child raising bad.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and Swalec - I will go with that except - Parents should proved BASIC needs - food, shelter, love.  Society can provide the schools and the roads to get there'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'vonliege so then , why do the rich not have as many kids as the poor.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're confusing rich with self-supporting...a rather large gap between those two things'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can assure you that Abelinc either A) checked the buffer, or b) has been watching every word'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, and the doctors when needed'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because they have different priorities'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc oh. then clarify the issue please. it works better than calling someone names'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'calling someone names? where was this? or do you just mean labelling?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'VD, because very few people own most of the resource in our societies. So there are not many rich, and lots of poor. Hence the poor have more kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'okay. different priorities. what are the priorities that are different between all welfare recieving parents, and all self supporting parents?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a guy making $20k/year may be fully-capable of raising [and paying for] a family on his own...that's not rich'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'really Abe?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'VD: welfare and self-supporting weren't the groups being discussed when you asked about rich people having less kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, raising a family on 20k would be extremely difficult'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just depends on where exactly you are'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could be done super easy... if you didn't WASTE money'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'okay, lets say in a first world country'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc please make up your mind. first you say it should be self supporting, not rich, now you want rich'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twyst: I'm talking about in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'even if 20k is doable, it is just subsistence income'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'VD: YOU asked a very specific question ONLY about the rich...YOU took the discussion there'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: '20k would be doable I agree, but you would be one disaster away from insolvency'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'RICH people have less kids because of their choices and priorities...but that is not what this discussion is about'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what I'm saying, (and I think ablinc is saying too) is that the line between the two groups in question is CAN support a child, and CAN'T support a child with out public assistance for BASIC needs'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but YOU still chose to go there'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc i asked von liege a question. you jumped in to saybit didnt have proper form, and should be about self supporters.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I wonder, where the evidence for the statement comes from incidentally?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'evidence for what statement?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'that the rich have fewer kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, also, von mentioned the rich before i did. thanks for not backscrolling'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US Census website'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the DISCUSSION was about people who can support themselves and those who cannot...YOU jumped in with rich people being the group opposite those who cannot support themselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'abelinc, von brought thrm up first.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and what are the actual stats? I mean, rich in terms of what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"people who can't support themselves shouldn't have kids" is not the same as "only rich people sholud have kids and they have a responsibility to have them"'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'using capital letters makes you right though. and gets you on ignore.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one statement was made by vonliege, the other is what you heard and have harped on'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm not on ignore yet...hurry up :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, feel free to return to our previous topic'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Swalec - http://www.census.gov/ - it's in there'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Abelinc pretty much nailed it down.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are many places in the US where you can live pretty comfortably on 20k/year...buy a small plot of land and a single-wide trailer...have no mortgage or rent for only a few grand initial cost and taxes/utilities from there'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah, well i have him on ignore... bht thats cool. preach to the choir'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you care to engage on "people who can not support themselves should not have children that they can also not support"?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sure.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'my question from before. why not?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me be blunt - because I don't want to pay for them to have children.  I have my OWN children to support'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'down that road lies Japan though'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok. so children benefit society too though, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'China I think you mean Twyst'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MY children will benifit society because I will raise them that way.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, children as specifics don't benefit society'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah. how will they benefit society more than a strangers children?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'having a replacement rate + a little benefits a society'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'fertility rates are crushing Japan'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the thing is that I don't understand why you focus on this other people having children as the reason you can't afford to raise your own'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'replacement rate is not relevant'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'social work? become teachers? doctors? pay more taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and most first world countries if you exclude immigration'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will point you to 'generational welfare'  people on welfare have children who are/will be on welfare.  Census fact'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, we spend money on lots of things -- doctors, soldiers, rescuing banks and that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'japan is in no danger of collapse from lack of children'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'have you seen their debt to GDP? if it wasn't for Central Banking and fiat currencies they would already be gone'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, so... your children will never take welfare?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the country being in debt is not a result of lack of children'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'in general, it would seem to me that the reason you have limitatiions on your ability to raise your kids is the vast amount of cash being spent on supporting a very small percentage of the population. Which isn't the section on welfare.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they stand a good chance of never takeing welfare... "Never" is a big word'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'it is a big part Abe, their elder non-working population is huge relative to the total population'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, so welfare is given to children of self supporters , not just cildren of welfare recipients?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Vamp... you are harping again'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'make a statement - don't ask more questions'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von would it be fair to say that  there is both upward and downward mobility in terms of economic class?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is that a statement?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'twyst: no, it isn't a big part...having more kids doesn't solve that issue, it merely shifts it in time'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, learn english. before saying that. but whatever. if you dont want opposing viewpoints lets just not talk. i ca add you to ignore alongside abe'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the US has that exact same problem, which is what is at the heart of "social security isn't sustainable"...but we don't have lack of children born'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all you do is ask niggling questions... you don't make any STATEMENTS.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'best way to win arguments is by actual eloquent points, not by ignoring anyone who is making them against you ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I haven't looked up the statistics abe, but remove immigration, legal or otherwise, and it is probably pretty close'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Lies!  The best way to win arguments is to bury your enemy under poorly cited facts.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'And compare them to Hitler.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Abelinc, in asking what is sustainable, you need to say what the conditions are.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you mean "facts" ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'jhav well, hitler supported abortions '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'with a massively unequal society, it's hard to sustain welfare because the budget that it comes from it such a tiny part of the GDP'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'swalec: I don't, as I didn't ask'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'was merely pointing to other well-known points'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hitler was a vegetarian. Hence, all vegeterians are megalomaniac mass murderers. Unless, of course, correlation does not imply causation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you can be used as a plural, abe'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"you" can, but it's again not relevant here as it's not a discussion taking place'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Hitler was a vegetarian who eat quite a bit of meat'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, sorry, but asking questions is part of a debate.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'in the same way that he was an atheist who believed in god rather a lot'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'as an atheist, vegetarian, I wish people would stop doing the hitler thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, that's a different debate, but hitler was definitely not an atheist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He called himself a vegetarian, but afaik he never called himself an atheist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's why he said he believed in god a lot ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ranrr not even at the end, good catholics dont commit suicide?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not all religions are against suicide'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'nor a vegetarian, but it is still a fact that comes up rather often in debates about either a) vegetarianism, or b) atheism'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, ok, replace my statement above with "people with a mustache", then :D'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You miss 100% of the shots you do not take.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No you don't. You didn't take them, therefore you can't miss them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'It'd be more accurate to say you don't score 100% of the time you don't take a shot.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by not taking the risk, you missed, whether you did it or not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No, by not taking the risk, you didn't take the risk =p'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'it doesn't mean you took the risk, and lost'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Are you a business owner then ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'occasionally.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wrong answer...you either are, or are not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'The answer is not wrong, as there isn't really a correct answer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It's preferable to be harmlessly paranoid than fatally stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'If I'm not going to hit - I don't take the shot.  Why waste the ammo (resources) if you're likely going to miss?  The whole "Take the shot" mentality in this country is what has gotten us into trouble because there is no consequence for missing.  If you're a bank, and you make bad decisions (take the shot and miss), you get bailed out.  If you buy a house you can't afford (take the shot and miss) you get bailed out.  "Taking the shot" SHOULD be applied only after a careful risk analysis, followed by risk mitigation.  Then, when you DO "take the shot", you can be reasonably assured of a hit.  But when there is no consequence for missing, "taking the shot" just ends up costing the rest of us lots of money.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'maybe doing nothing is considered untenable'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '+1 Vonliege. Though that was unrelated to my original complaints =p'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fling it all against the wall, see what sticks'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when considering a course of action (COA), "doing nothing" is always an option.  Sometimes it't the best option.. When you are standing at the edge of a busy street, and cars are whipping by, "soing nothing" is the best course of action... Then when there are no cars, "Crossing the street" is the best couyse of action.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Abelinc - was that serious or sarcasim?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'there'sw no more or less inherent cosequence or benefit for taking the shot y'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'neither, it's a saying'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what do you think about DARPA parking a surveillance drone over Manhattan, able to see everything via the 1.8 gigapixel camara onboard (parts for camara taken exclusively from smartphones)?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno... are they filming through bedroom windows with the intent of selling an amature porno cut-tape?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the drone won't see a millionth of what is already being recorded on manhattan'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or are they trying to get ahead of the next mass attack?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, I dunno if the ARGUS-IS will be T-ray capable...'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have between 30 and 40 helicopters fly over my property every day - it doesn't really bother me because I know their "intent"'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you live on-base or near an airfield, don't you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a drone in and of itself isn't inherently nefarious'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'aviation training center'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I use aardmush and the mapper, so alot of them are point-and-click... expeccially handy when you ahve to run 100 rooms into send'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'sooh. any communist pigs around here?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'feeling like boston butt roast for supper, Kwuajijijijijijal?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'due to low productivity and the decline and fall of communism, communist pigs command a hefty premium'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Mmmm.  Hard to think of a more delicious animal.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Though I must say I don't really care about philosphical or political leaning my meat has.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as it's greezy and full of flavor!'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dunno i would rather eat pork that doesnt eat pork.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DOH!'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'good one'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You don't eat pigs, and we don't eat pigs, so lets not eat pigs together'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'For every pig you don't eat, I'll eat three.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You realize thats impossible jhav?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Shhhh.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I personaly enjoy lots of pig... bacon, ham, pulled pork samich, sausage, you name it'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'If I eat no pigs, that means you would have to eat three times the amount of all pigs that exist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Ah, but what if there are an infinite number of pigs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '3 x 0 = 0'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Or none!  Sure.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Vampiredude.. are you implying pigs do not exist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what if they were imaginary pigs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Say that there are a countably infinite number of pigs.  If you eat none, I can still find three pigs for every one you don't eat.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'The amount of pigs I dont eat, is the amount of total pigs minus the amount of pigs I've actually eaten. So if there are infinite pigs, the amount of pigs I have not eaten is infinite.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'if I have eaten some pigs, the amount of pigs I have not eaten is still infinite.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Well, consider this argument.  Give each pig a number starting with 1.  So pigs 1, 2, 3, etc etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You don't eat any of them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'are we still really talking about pigs?  or have we moved on to mathematical theology?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But for your not consuming pig 1, I'll eat pigs 1-3.  For not eating pig 2 I'll eat pigs 4-6, and so on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'We're talking about how he's going to get fat from eating pigs, and die before he eats any percent of the pigs he said he would eat.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'For every pig you don't eat, I can literally point to three pigs and then presumably consume them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Jhav.. exact Every pig that I "don't eat" is every pig I have not eaten. =p'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not if I get my bib on first!'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'except rather.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Every pig I don't eat, is Every pig, less the amount of pigs I HAVE eaten.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So if thats a million pigs, and I've eaten 10, thats 999990 pigs left, times 3. '
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You're missing the bit where there are an infinite number, see.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'if its an infinite amount of pigs, that means you must eat an infinite amount.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'which as I said before, is impossible =p'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'he could eat baby pigs'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'as you cannot eat 3x infinite number of anything'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or baby pig fetuses.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But one of the interesting things about infinity is that it's stretchy, so to speak.  Triple the size of a countably infinite set is still countably infinite, the same size.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'And yet, still impossible.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'See Hilbert's Grand Hotel paradox.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Infinite infinites!'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'also, the number of pigs is not infinite.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Not sure you could prove that!'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can you prove a negative?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i could prove it with a sufficiently large triangle in non eucliian space. but the pigs would die'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Hmm. Well, if you're talking earth-pigs, Theres only so many pigs of an average size that could fit within a finite volume that is the surface of the earth.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'as well as a limited number of resources to feed and raise said pigs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So I very much thing that the number of pigs must be rather finite.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'daloran if he takes baby pigs   and runts then theyre not average size. he can package more pig power if he pleases'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you would have to calculate that volume in a non-liniar method because the number would be ever decreasing based on the velocity of pig consumption'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'if he takes baby pigs and runts, those would be part of the "average" of average size of pigs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'This feels suspiciously like an xkcd what-if...'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and as he eats the pigs, there is space for more n de w pigs.. like emptying a beer mug'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I suppose thats true, I doubt the speed of pig consumption could exceed the speed of pig proliferation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The earths pig population was roughly one billion in 2002'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pigs are pretty horny'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'This is possibly the only worthwhile conversation I have ever seen on this channel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'would youru decline to eat a horny pog, so jhav can eat three horny pigs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the sexualy proclivity of a pig is of little import when considered for consumption'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Though.. if you have a finite number of concurrent pigs, then, if you're talking earth bound pigs, there will only be so much time for them to procreate before the heat death of the universe, or before Sol goes nova and destroys the earth..'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'pig proliferation is higher with horny hetero pigs though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Does homosexuality occur in pigs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's pretty insensitive to the queer pigs, Vamp'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I know there is a relativly high instance of androgenous pigs'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'In fact its VERY sensitive to the queer pigs Von. He said proliferation is higher with hetero pigs. Which would be true'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von those pig subsets can still subsist , pork rump, and have rumps become pork.'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that's to say that the queer pigs can't be as prolific as the hetero pigs... which make the queer pigs losers in the race to reproduce... and you KNOW we can't have any losers!'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think this debate has run its course'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cdc claims 20% of all kids may have a mental disorder'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now take your meds, they're good for you'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what does the ECDC say?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doesn't have anything to say'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who? Dr Marc Sprenger?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hashtag: 'Where all the nutters at?'
T3/r7/2013-05-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You raise your hand.
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I "get" stuff by serial numbers'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loony'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mornin, btw'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'morning =)'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ctalk discussion on the merits of restringing everything'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just had my entire world-view rudely knocked akimbo'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'akimbo?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All the big oil independents are packing up and moving out of the Ohio oil patch.....looks like most of the Utica shale is a natgas play, and not an oil one.  Unless natgas prices improve in the US, Ohio is a bust.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil will not resurrect the US economy while you have the democrats in'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pollycat: 'mainly American internal politics here?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not exclusively, but you tend to get blank looks from yanks when you talk about foreign stuff because nothing exists east of new hampshire'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pollycat: 'only know old hampshire in England and thats not that exciting'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US politics is more pertinent that british, since if american falls, uk falls'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas production in the Barnett shale has dropped by 50% because of low natgas prices, a drop of 25% in the Haynesville natgas shale play in NE Texas/NW Lousiana'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if you want to bring something up, feel free to, i'm british, so might understand'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pollycat: 'Eurovision anti British votes or are we just shit?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eurovision voting is as laughable as elections'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pollycat: 'undefeatable mob is challenging me the wife'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well drilling in the South Texas oil shale field Eagle Ford has been booming though.....oil production has tripled in the last 2 years, and expected to double in the next couple years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pollycat: 'see you all'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil production in the West Texas Permian Basin shale is booming also.  They have found 3 oil plays at various depths in the permian.  Production is expected to hit 1 million barrels per day by 2020.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is it going to?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of it probably refined into products and shipped overseas, we have a glut of fuels in the US atm.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sufficient a glut to pull oil prices down'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil companies are under investigation for price fixing'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a glut wont pull prices down, regulations and lack of pipelines to the big markets keep the prices high.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only place where the glut helps is in the middle of the US.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for example, Alaskan oil is only permitted to sell it on the West Coast, keeping the price artificially high.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all canadian oil goes to refineries in the midwest, and then through small pipelines to the east coast to NJ'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that new xl pipeline would allow some of that oil to get to the gulf coast refineries.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they don't need anymore down there, they have so much now that they're shipping it out of the country, remember?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it doesnt matter how much oil the US produces, the price isnt going to come down, because the price is based on the world price of oil, not on production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as long as world demand for oil continues to increase, the price will continue to be high.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my more instant issue with oil is the level of government taxation of fuel, and their epic incompetence in planning that has led to our entire energy infrastructure being run by private monopolies, and under foreign control'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil might be a bust for now in the Utica, but wet gas is going to boom....wet gas makes the natgas production worth much more.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's wet gas versus dry gas?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one leaves a stain in your pants'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as a guy, I can safely say that's inaccurate.  Both kinds leave stains.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hmm, I don't see stains from the dry ones'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'maybe my vision sucks'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, wet gas has things like propane and butane and other liquids with the natgas'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'propane and butane are worth a lot more than just natgas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dry gas is just plane natgas, no other gases with it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even co2 is a valuable gas when combined with natgas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for reals, or lebron james style?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'regular plain natgas is selling for around $4.40, but when you add butane and propane, or co2, or any of the other valued gases, the price of the field can be triple the value of the natgas alone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 150 miles off the coast of Rio Brazil, a 120 billion barrel oil field was found.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'they found barrels off the coast?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, 35 gallon metal drums.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Must've been Obama, what put them there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could've come from anywhere'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stuff washes up all the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I cannot tell a lie office Opie, I put that oil there.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Brazil was smart though, they demanded that 85% of the technology used to extract that oil to be provided by Brazil, as well as the workers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean protectionism'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that thing that the EU bans'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except everyone else ignores it except our dumbarse government who enforce the rules because they want us part of the united states of europe'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, it forces foreign companies to build factories and such in Brazil....GE opened a factory in Rio to provide part of the technology to extract the oil.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is protectionism, essentially'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it works.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course it fucking works'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why they did it'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the field is on target to be producing 5 million barrels per day by 2020.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, governments to tons of shit that doesn't work, so "duh, that's why they did it" is pretty invalid'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 1.5 million of that 5 million will be exported.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Brazil will go from an importer of oil, to an exporter....wtg Brazil!'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well we have a government that perpetually hands contracts to foreign businesses, who then spend 0 in investment here, then wonders why we have such high unemployment'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, at this rate no country will be importing oil pretty soon'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas Germany will tend to hand contracts to German companies for infrastructure products'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'seems every month another country is finding a supply which will reduce/remove their foreign dependance'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well done america, you're removed your foreign dependance on oil and gained on on electricity'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh, we dont import electricity.....you do :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might not be net importers, but you do import electric'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'from where ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mexico'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and canada, but it's opportunistic and unnecessary'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no we dont :)  perhaps 2-3x a summer Texas buys some power from mexico when the temps get high.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably Canada'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the temps get too high, or when some more coal stations have been closed down'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We built the niagra falls power stations, we dont buy power from canada.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes we do, riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, get in a barrel and go over the falls abe lincoln :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the green lobby continues it's push, you'll be importing a whole lot more electric, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I grew up there, many relatives work for NiMo'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Niagara Mohawk produces hella lot of power, but it is shipped elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'god I hate bloomberg.com all their freaking videos are business commercials.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, Texas is expanding its nuclear power plants.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We also built 2 new natgas power plants in the last 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even though we cancelled 13 new coal fired power plants..:('
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Coal production in the US is down 15% in the last 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not surprising, given the regulations'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is ok though, we will be a huge exporter of coal eventually....)'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Canada (Quebec) -- some Canadians are peeved that Quebec is forced (due to a retarded contract) to sell to the USA at cheap (far too low) prices, then must buy back from the USA at expensive prices when the demand is at a temporary high in Canada <-- (unsure if this is valid though or somebody griping)'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: '(part of the topic "Traitors in Canada")'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska was given permission by the feds to export coal to Asia....so now about 5% of Usibelli coal mine coal is exported, the rest is used by the US military and Fairbanks Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas coal production is being exported to Mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Ohio has 51,000 oil and gas wells, and 87 oil and gas wells in the shale areas are producing 12% of the states total oil and gas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I'm looking at Duke Energy's pages on their elec producing technologies...they mention that their hydro plants aren't use most of the time, just used for peak-demand power and turned up as needed...that's just retarded :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'are coal plants able to turn their electric output up and down per peak demand -- if not, then that is the reason the hydro is used as a peak supplier'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'zela's right'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think his point was more about using a green source more.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for load balancing, hydro is a hell of a lot easier to turn off and on'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, you can be adjusting peak using the hydro, but you should be BASELINING with it in use...they're leaving them totally not spinning most of the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if UK had any sense, they should have peppering wales and scotland with hydro plants 30 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but, they're either incompetent, or bought off, or both, so did nothing'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydro also considerably more reliable than other green sources'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what about maintenance?  Is the wear and tear on the hydro more expensive to maintain?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh... 0.6¢/KWH vs 2.2¢/KWH '
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, you've factored in the whole cycle'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that's net cost'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'southern and western insurance group in Ohio takes over womens' abuse shelter and plans to turn it into a boutique hotel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dunno, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no point comparing day to day maintenance costs, they're highly subjective'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compare the whole lifecycle'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'thought you type burlesque for a seccond there'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whole lifecycle is what kills fission as a practical power source'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those numbers came off a hippie web site.  looks to advocate hydro power'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still... even of they ARE spun a little bit.. there's a significant difference in cost'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course, you're comparing apples with oranges'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a 24 wheeler has a higher maintenance cost than a bicycle'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'they were complacent and smug self-satisfied, and did not forsee the requirement to plan ahead -- or maybe they did, but realised that those hydro plants were likely to disrupt the countryside and the enjoyment of the rich landed gentry -- difficult to yell "Tally-ho!" if there are waters of a hydro dam covering the former rural greens'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, zela, would be better to say that there are lobbyists in and out of the green movement who benefit from extortion in the energy sector, and bad choices based of faux-environmental reasons'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change might be real, but every law, regulation, plan predicated on it is merely propoganda and a means of taking money and power'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'palm trees inside the arctic circle'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the Hoover Dam is yet producing electricity -- long lasting hydro there'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, zela'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had my ENTIRE world view smashed with a sledge hammer earlier....'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is a lot of heat energy in the exhaust gases and radiant energy from the furnaces that may be converted to useful form of either energy or heat -- but do modern coal plants utilise that resource'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was humming "bye bye miss american pie" in the shower earlier... my wife commented on the "hippie" music, and when I got out of the shower, I proceeded to tell her what I though the song was about....'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that led to a ggogle search... turns out the song is about Buddy Holly... BUDDY FREAKING HOLLY!... man - I was bummed. '
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you sure it wasn't about his underage cousin-wife?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought it was some deep philisophical commentary on the political state of affairs of the day... nope... just about 'ol Buddy'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the day the music died was when digital replaced analog music '
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deserves a slap, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "widowed bride" is indeed Buddy's young wife... didn't know it was a cousin'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and "chevy to the levee" is a reference to a 1950's Chevy Commercial.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not when buddy holly or james dean or bobby darin or some other singer died (in a car (or plane) crash)'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well, for Don McLean, the music died the day buddy holly died... and it was a pretty big hit, so I'd have to not argue with him on that point.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so much so he refuses to perform it'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'vinyl sucks, cd forever!'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'synth was barely on the scene at the time, never mind 'digital' recording.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the American Pie is also referenced to some celebrity dying in a car crash -- was that Buddy Holly'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was James Dean.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'buddy died in a plane... close enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Buddy Holly and the La Bamba guy died in the same crash.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but each verse details a different iconic music figure of the day... the jester is bob dylan... who DID die in a car'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'a tv documentary stated that American Pie referenced James Dean -- was James Dean driving a Chevy'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ultimatly, the song is about the grand social experiments of the 1960s as it began to collapsing under the weight of its own unrealized utopian dreams,'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I thought Haight Ashbury was a 50s thing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the next oil shale boom will be in New Mexico.....a 1.8 billion recoverable oil field, with a potential 110 billion barrels of oil has been found in SE New Mexico.....part of the permian shale of West Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'the song was unwittingly prophesying the demise of music due to digital '
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Dean was in a Porsche Spyder, I think.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'they ought to leave that oil in the ground for later generations'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'maybe Don McLean was unable to afford to drive a porchee to the levee or does not rhyme as good'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just set it on fire like the coal in Centralia, Pennsylvania.  Get rid of it now, so we can't use it later to fuck up the environment.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drill baby drill!'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'did you hear about those drilling for oil and gas and thermal causing permanent mudpit (indonesia) and firepit (middle east) disasters'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shit happens sometimes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now they have a tourist attraction.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not attracting many tourists  -- maybe a lot of long distance hecklers'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Boeing has decided to offer the new 777x fuel efficient super jetliner to airlines.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'according to the Wiki on Dean, he was apparently going so fast that officers were called to the scene of the wreckage some 50 years later.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'digital music is very noisy -- the noise is the difference between the digital waveform and the analog waveform. and that noise is far greater than the S/N ratio that affects analog'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you guys were confusing Buddy Holly with Jerry Lee Lewis...Buddy Holly's wife was older than him, and no relation...'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pfft, it was a hip white guy on a plane.  How much more factual do we really need to get on debate?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Gary Lewis (son of the comedian Jery Lewis) is different to Jerry Lee Lewis'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'also left off the third big name on the plane, The Big Bopper'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'see anything about that asteroid over mexio yet hans?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which one?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'the one today?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'or was their more then one today?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'guess not'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you referring to 1998 qe2, or a different one?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'one happened today '
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'blew past mexico letting off a sonic boom'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zela is waiting for the Blue Star that the Hopi indians say is coming -- since when does a extraterrestial object decide to do a vastly different amount of damage based upon how benign and good (or evil and bad) the human race is by then
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hale bopp'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'heavens gate '
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hale bopp was the comet that the heavens gate people were working toward'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, microsoft stock is up 28% this year, and gates is the richest man in the world again.  $72.7 billion'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'This pattern, where have I seen it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The world economy seems tobe collapsing ...'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps for some people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Yet, one man rises, and rises ...'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Bill Gates is Noah!'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Q-Bits are revealed'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'the world will be saved from destruction by quantum computing'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or 21 m&m's'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'B Serial'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, video store clerk....almost extinct.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'There are a few mandetory questions to start with....'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MISCHAN'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a 450 mile yard sale....over 3500 vendors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'thats less then 8 vendors/mile. thats a lot of walking.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but more vendors do it each year....this year they expect 4000 vendors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'still <10/mile'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is along a 450 mile stretch of highway from kentucky to alabama'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'and yet, its still <10/mile =p'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an old highway'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the biggest stop has 250 vendors or so.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it keeps growing, they said they might have to make it 5 days a year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'why is this on debate'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cause the lack of vendors means it doesnt fit on barter'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we could debate about whether it belongs on debate?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'debate is my channel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'not... really'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'France is the world's most popular tourist destination with more than 81.4 million foreign tourists in 2011'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you forgot israel, all those millions of palestinian tourists'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or texas'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or do you have to spend money to be considered a tourist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz, did that julian assaunge guy get out yet?'
T3/r7/2013-05-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he is living with your mom.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is it sacrilegious to ascribe the word holy to a soulless object such as a star, or a staff ,or a censer ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'like for  we three kings of orient song , as an example'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Vegas Rules: if a skanky chick approaches you and asks if you'd like some company, run the other way.  If some hot chick approaches you and asks if you want some company, she's probably an undercover cop, so run the other way.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the 'sissification' of America'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone jump in and try to convince me it's a "good thing"'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... let me put a little better bait on that hook... '
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bullying is a GOOD THING'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wow, they png 'ed a third american cia type from russia now....   why doesnt the cia hire better people'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you've been wathing RT again, havn't you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'RT didn't report about the 'toy' spy kit the first guy had'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nah, i read "thelocal" and "farsnews" and "cnn" mostly'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'complete with 'rear-view mirror sunglasses''
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh the  penknife and cash?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we sent some idiot over there that thought he was going to play at being a spy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but we DIDN'T send a spy... I am sure the spies we DO have in russia are much much better'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well the first guy  looks like a textbook blackmailee'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'our State Department is having some issues these days'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, dunno, cia used to coopt businesses that operated in russia to send their people along. churches, soda companies and so in, but since the cold war, who cares'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... 'who cares' is probobly true.... though Russia is getting pretty heavy back on the international scene in places like syria'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn i dunno. state seems to be very good at equally employing everybody'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think State should be equal about squat... best person - period.  If the minority or female numbers are a bit lop-sided, so be it.  unless you wern't talking about equal opportunity at all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, im all for promiting the best people. but why not force women employees on some if the misogynists in bahrain or libya or saudi arabia'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'promoting'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if we show underpriveleged women, and gay people, and people with disabilities, and people with less popular skin colors all that america has to offer '
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we do play a bit of that game... especially in the military... if you can get a hot female soldier to interigate a hard-line Shia jihadist, it's a WIN.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'maybe theyll choose freedom and democracy next time they vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the fox hole is not the place to make opportunities for people in wheelchairs (to be extremely dramatic)'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shrug, cia and dia and dod hire wheelchair wielders'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and pay em better than grunts'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the other side of that is that, for example, a saudi pricnce, when confronted with a female diplomat, will just spit on her and walk away from the table.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, theyre not head of state, what privelege do they have against arrest for assault with bodily fluids? =H'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if it's in their country  - no such law.  In fact, our females often get rolled up for failing to comply with Shia Law in a variety of countries.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it doesn't generally stick, but it's a nut roll all the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shrug, the whole bloodline and caliphate issue was never adequately explained to me.   shia vs sunni questions are so complex.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but... shariah law is nice and simple... if ya meant that.  theres basically four big schoola /variants'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the most important aspect to consider - Shia believes a blood line to muhamed is required to lead in government, and especially in religion - Sunni believes power is the only requirement to lead.  The Shia are more conservative than the sunnis as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course - it is WAY more complicated than that'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'much. '
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and there is no shortage of irony in what bed-fellows are made.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it just seems odd that bloodline would matter in religion, unless you claim to be descened from a god.   i would respect piety more gb than parentage'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'more than.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they DO belive they are decended from a god'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no, you said descened from a prophet?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I did say that... Quran, 112:1-4 states that Muhammad isn't a god... so I retract my statement'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i mean, in greek mythology, being a son of zeus was considered a positive'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and levites used to care who the sons of prophets were in the bible.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but, i dont get what privelege a bloodline is supposed to carry.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if the kingdom was founded with a royal bloodline, that seems clearcut... maybe its not a religious practice but a secular one'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's their religion.  I don't pretend to agree with it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'like how the tudors and thewindsors have a family tree for royal blood'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or that holy blood book alleged a two class system for salvation in europe'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well, i guess ill have to wait til my next encounter with someone that understands the issues better :-( where is a sheikh or historian or somebody :-('
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'oh. that sheikh from the daily show had a blog. i can try asking him. bbiab'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so in disneys aladdin, where jasmine is a princess,that couldnt really happen cause she is female?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's less than 10 years old - it's aluminum'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've just come up with a cheap way to solve America's electricity needs'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Potato batteries?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'attach a couple of tubes to Michael Moore, one to catch the torrents of bullshit that erupt from his mouth, use that with a biodigester to create electricity, and secondly a permanent liposuction machine and use all the fat to generate electric'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh. A couch potato battery.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, a michael moore battery'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couch potatos would be inefficient because they ingest more than they exude'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Overweight, greasy, unkempt neckbeard... a couch potato battery :D'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'michael moore ont he otherhand, spouts such a large volume of bullshit, that it breaks the laws of thermodynamics'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'people believe michael more'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'believe him to do what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell the truth - reveal injustice - what ever'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, just believe him, well there you go, people will be thick'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being the unbiased, non-partisan man that he is'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"people", in my general understanding, are dumbasses'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are generally right'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'same hold true for just about every demographic - people believe Bill O'reilly, too, and you have to admit he spews out some serious BS (though I tend to nod my head when he does)'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not familiar with him'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at the end of the day, people will laud the fellow who is saying what they think they already know'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ergo... people are dumbasses'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'myself included'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '[Bill Oreilly is a popular conservative author and talk show host on Fox]'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MM, though... some of the crap he says - completly fanciful'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It's a wonder he was ever able to do anyting with Hugo's pecker in his mouth all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the Feds are preparing trumped-up charges on Adam Kokesh. How do you diffuse a potential future situation when a  political activist plans a protest set to put the Feds in a bad light? You arrest him on fake charges'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, for 2011 returns, about 5200 french households were taxed at a rate of at least 100%.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'surprise, surprise, Subway is less nutritious than McDonalds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'that's not a surprise. after all... sodium triphosphate is a food'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hey now, you can get iceberg lettuce on your sub! ... I mean, sure, it has little to no nutritional value, but it's lettuce, that makes it super healthy... right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a two mile wide tornado is kinda big'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'where did you hear of a 2-mile one?'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in oklahoma today, had around 200 mph winds, and a destruction path 2 miles wide.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was on the ground for 40 minutes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the tornado wasn't 2 miles wide, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'talk to the hand'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you are going to live in Tornado Alley, you should be prepared for tornadoes.  That is why it is called prepping.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You can take classes on how to properly ride a tornado at Texas A&M Kingsville.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Every school in tornado alley should have a concrete dome building that can be used as a shelter.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I think they would rather tear down their old concrete school buildings and replace them with 25 million dollar glass beauties'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, a concrete dome building can easily withstand a 350 mph tornado.......perhaps with a little bit of surface scratching.'
T3/r7/2013-05-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the building would last hundreds of years if not longer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, a florida man killed an 18 foot burmese python on the side of the road with a knife.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now he has 800,000 more to kill.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'florida should do what lousiana does, offer a $5 bounty on each one turned in.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or $10 per foot since they are big snakes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'But snakes don't have feet'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'any proponents of obama want to explain what hes done so far this term?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'no? k. ill go then. laters'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Deadpeasant: 'change? P'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, an estimated $500 billion in Lithium has been found in a water source after a well was drilled in Wyoming.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Preliminary analyses of fluid samples collected from a well drilled on the Rock Springs Uplift suggested that reservoir brines from a 25 square-mile area of the 2,000 square-mile uplift could contain 228,000 tons of lithium worth about $500 billion at current prices for Lithium.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz. what about obama'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How come we are not using supercapacitors for electronics instead of batteries ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'theyre too shakey'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if the christian or jewish god that moses saw played aard, would he be a diva, like a burning bush?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '17, from Colorado Springs, Colo., joined the quest for practical alternatives to petroleum-based fuels in the seventh grade. Now a high school senior, she may have found an answer in the oily pond scum growing under her bed.  Using guided evolution, she isolated a high oil producing algae over a couple years.  Her research won a $100,000 scholarship from Intel.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 17 year old high school student.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '.. who has pond scum growing under her bed. yuck.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mermaids with shell bras'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Now make that rhyme ...'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i wann go, where the people are , i wanna see , wanna see em dancing, with those what do you call them feet?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she turned her bedroom into a chemistry lab....her bed is elevated "_'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she was accepted to MIT where she plans on continuing her research in biochemistry of algae to produce biofuels.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Good choice, since algae is the future.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rizgoth, some awuatic organisms can produce carbonyls from nickel oxide and other metal oxides'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess we better ban tornados.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'tax them, at least'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we should blow up some of the mountains of the rocky mountains.....let more of that moisture filled air to head east into the great plains.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The United States has the highest incidence of tornadoes, with an average of more than 1,000 every year, according to the National Climatic Data Center. But other regions of the world have twisters as well. Canada is No. 2 with about 100 per year,'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dineys first venture into the Starwars Universe - An animated TV series - Bleh'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'down with trucking companies!'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'They are the backbone of many societies though...'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they MUST be held accountable!'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was just listening to one of those lawer-we-sue-'em-for-you commercials... said that Trucking Companies are responsible for thousands of deaths each year, and that they are stadning by to sue them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you can get the life "you deserve"'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I think MUDders should get paid more :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'If you vote for me as President of the World I will make sure exactly that happens'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we talking 20% raise?  50%?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Top IRS official will invoke the Fifth Amendment in congressional hearing about tea party targeting program'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how hyprocritical is that when administration has dedicated the last 5 years to annulling the constitution for all the minions and slaves?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oo, bitchfight! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSwvgXeDh4Y&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glad to see Florida Governor has pulled funding for the government snitch program'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the drivers license thing?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pleading the 5th should be a jailable offense like contempt of court.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'nah. its a constitutional thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pleading the 5th should be fine, but should be for all'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like it grants you immunity from prosecution. Doesn't exist here in the UK, infact there is quite the opposite law'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I know what it is, but you're just wasting everyone's time if you're going to plead it for everything being asked.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yep in the uk they even recognize convictions from banana republics'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at the very least, it should be like a gameshow lifeline.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hans. they shouldnt bother asking'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence."'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would imagine that judges can ratchet up sentencing for someone who plead 5th'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if found guilty anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger nah thats unconstitutional'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no different than someone who was uncooperative during the investigation, really'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what ammendment does it breach?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they cant treat you worse to retaliate for asserting the rights in an approved forum'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't treating you worse, it's not rewarding you for being helpful'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's unconstitutional to make you give them the evidence to use against you...it's not unconstitutional to give maximum statutory sentences'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'thats fine then'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise plea bargaining would be unconstitutional'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't have a right to not be prosecuted...you have a right to not be persecuted'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interestingly, it is an offence in the UK to fail to disclose when requested the key to any encrypted information'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger yep. but what happens if you arent  the custodian of the key'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tiger: you can be ordered to decrypt/provide password in US as well...they don't consider that witness against yourself as they've grabbed the puters/phones/etc as physical evidence'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'they are not having my goal info'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got bigger problems, however, Bitch McConnel said he won't block the immigration bill'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so?  They're not really immigrants if they're already here.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'white people do not like to dig ditches, so we pay hispanics $14 an hour to do it, plus benefits.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amnesty wouldn't guarantee you socialism forever, you realise'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'good point. and its like free subjugation for the crown'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '100 years ago, lots of white people would have loved to have been paid $15 a week to dig ditches......guess the recession isnt bad enough.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's wrong with a white guy + a digger?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'riz: that's also why the US will never be a manufacturing powerhouse again...for the most part, "we the people" simply don't want those jobs (even in today's economy)'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are two outcomes to that, US people refuse low paid jobs and welfare is increase, country goes bankrupt'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'second, US people start taking low paid jobs, welfare increased, country goes bankrupt slower'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the white guy with a digger is attached at another sort of dirthole with the unions, who insist that you pay a lot more than $15 an hour.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course 100 years ago, $15 a week was a living wage......$7.25 an hour is not a living wage, so people end up needing govt help.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thirdly, US people start taking lower paid jobs, welfare not increased, country doens't go bankrupt, but people forced to accept considerably lower living standards'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is currently doing 2 and 3'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly 2'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unions only account for 12% of the US workforce now, and it is dropping fast.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unions are dead here'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'depends heavily on the industry...'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an energy truck driver can easily make $65k or more a year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some are even making $100k or more a year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, kind of...'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in contest, a middle-grade IT job here pays the same now in real terms as we were told it was paid when i left high school in 1992'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'contrast, not contest'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a blind gunslinger who can hit the target 80% of the time with shots half a second apart (qualifying him for quickdraw status) is quite impressive.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is wage deflation'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'truck driver is one of those industries where the talk of the salaries is vastly different than the reality...'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'you dont get rich by paying employees well'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'google did'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, corporations use the government to top up wages, so us tax payers are basically subsidising them'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not even, a guy who used to work for our company got a job at a Texas energy company...he makes a min of $1600 a week plus benefits, and bonuses.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as a truck driver.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'truck drivers are not well paid here'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he hauls water, the 2nd most plentiful energy truck driver job, after crude hauling.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'riz: you're leaving out HUGE portions of that story'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it is hard to get crude hauling jobs until you have experience, so most people haul sand or water, or fracking chemicals first.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I knew a truck driver once who was pulling $210,000 a year tax-free - no expenses.  Food and lodging provided'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'owner operator ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't your truck drivers have to buy their own gas?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'usually'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... didn't own a blessed thing... 'cept his clothes'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends if you own the truck or not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'company truck, they pay for everything'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '210k sounds like iraq or afghanistan :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as a truck driver, you're (1) driving someone else's hardware locally for an okay hourly, (2) driving someone else's hardware OTR for okay mileage, (3) driving your own hardware locally and getting paid good per load (but paying out the nose for your own hardware), or (4) driving your own hardware OTR and getting paid well to subcontract (and paying out the nose for your own hardware)...you can raise salaries some by getting things like hazmat ratings, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'civilian contractors in Iraq and Afgahinstan...  of course, the uniform wearing drivers beside them were only gettting around $26,000-$31,000'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'truck drivers here top out around $40k before tax, which is about $3.50 a week after tax'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the reality is that truck driving is a low-pay, hard-life job'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially if you do OTR, which I dont recommend, unless you want to live that lifestyle.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for the majority of drivers, yup...but it did allow eureka to cross off most states as "been there"'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider the boom-town jobs in ND.. how long do think those will last?  Or the Alaska Pipeline?  '
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(as child of drivers, not a driver herself)'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those jobs in ND will last decades'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those wells have to be fracked every 5-6 years to boost production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'from what I hear from Family, there's an insane turnover for MOST of those boomtown jobs'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'excluding the engineer and administrative jobs'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'those seem to be stable.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are shale deposits all over the country, so it isnt just ND anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some more bullshit inflation numbers came out today'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zooming out to "reality-view"... if there's all these great jobs, why havn't the cities emptied out and unemplyment dropped?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because most people can't handle those trucking jobs, and they dont want to live the way you HAVE to live to get them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'away from family mainly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need special license and training to drive a truck here'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lazy white people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya...  the value of the job tanks when you consider all the angles'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then there are strict laws on hours worked'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'same here tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couldn't personally do it since driving kills my back'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although some people will fudge the books and work more hours'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5 x 14 hours, rest for 24 hours, then another 14 hour shift in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but doing so can throw away your trucking career if you're caught'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and logbooks can get you in trouble.  And greedy employers coercing you into exposing your ass to make a deadline.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have tacographs here, serious criminal offence to tamper with it. maximum 3 hrs driving without a rest'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, here they don't enforce potty breaks, just sleep breaks'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most energy companies have switched to electronic log books.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with the overhead electronic registry thingers you don't really need to stop for anything.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just when it flashes near the weigh stops'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg crude hauler in Texas does 2 loads per day in a 12 hour shift.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about some work i -can- do?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sometimes you are able to do 5 loads in 2 days if the timing happens correctly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Depends on what you can do.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eat chips'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kill truck driving is probably the most disliked truck driving job in oil and gas, but I am not sure why.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither holder, clinton, or obama has been impeached yet, so you're all shit and i'm orf to bed'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with a kill truck, you might drive for an hour, and get paid for 12 sitting around at the well waiting to do something.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with or without wifi?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on the signal, but cell phones will work in most rural texas places.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bill clinton was impeached...did you mean hillary?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, hilary'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good luck with cell service in pennsyltucky'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'verizon has excellent cell coverage in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can they even impeach a Secretary?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, if not, just bar her from public office, or arrest her, whichever'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporate manslaughter'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but the bakken shale will be producing oil and gas for at least 40 years, and crude/water haulers will be needed the whole time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so will West Texas, and the eagle ford shale in south texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's one for you: http://www.nbcdfw.com/investigations/Used-Car-Sold-Without-Catalytic-Converter-New-Owner-206840291.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only question should be not who removed the catalytic converter, but instead, who in their right mind pays $44000 for an 11yr old Nisasn?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$4400 even'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy a $500 one and convert it to electric.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anything at that price is going to require parts and labor worth far more than 4400 bucks.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can get a 2002 Nissan similar for $1400'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dealers always charge more if they can get it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they must have seen her coming'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer to buy used cars at auction.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I buy used cars from the guy down on the street corner that people are always driving up to and giving money to.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'how much can i get for 79 nova with bullet holes n a bad axle?'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm out'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'enjoy the conversation'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she'd have been better off buying this: http://tinyurl.com/qd3v3yj'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'missed another F5 tornado.....the strongest I have ever seen in person was F3.'
T3/r7/2013-05-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Happiness is found along the way, not at the end of the road.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'once the cop gives you the ticket, shooting him won't do any good unless you get rid of the book :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Republican" are responsible for the tornado in OK'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yes, hundreds of years ago it was the Kings fault if there was a famine. Why not republicans fault that there are tornadoes?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'republicans refuse to acknowlege and respect global warming - which caused the tornado - and they have also slashed the National Weather Service budget.  If the National Weather Service were properly funded, they could have stopped the tornado'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all complete crap, of course.... doesn't stop people from trying, though.  http://www.humanevents.com/2013/05/21/sen-sheldon-whitehouse-enters-the-tornado-politics-hall-of-shame/'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'm sure the ppl could argue for why it was the Kings fault also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'just how the hell do you expect a tornado to be stopped?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that part was me being really dramatic.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear Congress is attempting to remove the tax-exempt statuses of professional sports leagues (with possibility of hearings as to the criminality of them not paying taxes in some cases since 1966)?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to what end?  to get cash?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is it the 'league', or the 'owners'?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cool, we can print unborn babies in 3d.  Not including the cost of the MRI, it only costs about a $1000.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '3D printing is really getting the buzz these days'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'd love to get me one of those bionic ears they printed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: '3D printing is going to annihilate the consumer-based economy'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought those were 3D printed, real flesh ears - like a prosthetic'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno about all that - sort of like saying the coffee pot will annihilate Starbucks®'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or the garden hose will destroy the Dasani® water branch of Cokacola'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's going to be about who can produce the best substances to use'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can make your own garden hoses. You'll still have to buy water and coffee of course'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cost will keep most folks out of the market for decades'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'naw, costs have dropped like a rock already'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and we havn't even given the legislature a chance to regulate it, yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there may be "regular" ears 3d printed, but I said bionic ears.  They are infused with some sort of silver-based material that turns your ear into an antenna to help pick up sounds outside of the normal human hearing range.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can't regulate the technology. Think Piratebay for objects now, not just media'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there will HAVE to be some stops... imagine (and it's a streach, but I need an example) if someone sets himself up printing brake pads on a 3D printer... and they turn out to be faulty.  There will be some manner of oversite emplaced - like the FDA, or USDA.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'if you want a set of legos, print your own. If you want them slightly larger, but not as large as those crappier Big Blocks.. print your own'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '3d printing as a means of personal production is still a long, long way off.  The manufacturing sector is likely to die off before we get a 3d printer in every home.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'duplo®'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well obviously some materials won't be compatible and organics won't work - to an extent'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'you can get a 3d printer in YOUR home for the price of a high end PC in the 90's'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yet... but it's coming as well... as per earlier comment... they are already using the tech to print replacement body parts'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yep, may even have the ability to print organics... interesting future'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and to make food (the latest development in the food arena is 3d printed pizza for NASA)'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'steak for dinner? ookay... '
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose there will always be a divide between real and fake... Turkey Bacon, anyone?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can currently print stem cells for research, but they aren't there yet on full-on organs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they can do skin'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but in the short term the fun will be in the small stuff. I need a bookshelf that's a certain size and can't get it at walmart'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not that I buy books anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I guess I could print out some books to put on my printed bookshelf'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'curiosities and novelty will drive the early development for more serious stuff'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or real bacon.  They can already print real steak.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've taken agronomy, animal husbandry, and grew up on a farm.... I have yet to find a chart, reference, or cut list that shows exactly where the "bacon" cut is found on a turkey.  I think it's fake =)'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'stuff like this: http://www.instructables.com/id/3D-Printed-Skateboard-Wheels/'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I bet if they took pains to not advertise the product as 3d printed you'd never be able to tell if was not grown on a farm in the traditional sense.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe the demand for plastic-based raw printer material will drive up the price of petrolium for Riz.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meh, screw plastic, I want carbon nanotubes'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'So you can get the same effects as asbestos?  There's a reason carbon nanotubing has been put a hold on - it produces the same results as inhaling asbestos.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ah well it can't be ALL good :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the IRS scandal is headed to a special prosecutor'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'white house admitted prior knowlege, and stated "we were preparing to announce it"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are we going to see President Biden?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Magic Biden and his special alzheimers' powered approach to defending your home from intruders with an unloaded shotgun?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nobody worships biden'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if Obama goes down, he will declare himself king, and the ghettos will empty by the millions with AKs and 9MMs to fight for him'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets cast the net a bit wider: Is there -any- democrat politicians that aren't retarded?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not likely'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats don't believe in gun ownership, remember?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'I was under the impression that 90+ % of politicians are retarded anyways :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'da ghetto has da nines, bro'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is statistically true, krache, but at least in the other camp I can pick out one or two that at least pay lip service to the ideals of governance'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i do literally mean 1 or 2'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which out of several hundred isn't great odds'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and for the hell of it: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2012/22mar_saber/'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'WTH?  Terrorists in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't believe the bs'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yelling "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth - alah alah acbar!" as they kill a british soldier?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's a crazy deed anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'with knives and hatches!'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, it's murder, or possibly a war crime depending on how you look at it'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but essentially murder, but definitely not terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG... open your eyes... it is terrorism... if not, then there has never been an act of terror ANYWHERE'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'multiculturalisim ftw'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it meets EVERY definition of the word "terrorism"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't meet any of them'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'politicaly motivated?  CHECK.  Violent?  CHECK.  Intimidating?  CHECK!'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Cammeron said there are strong indications it's a terrorist incident'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Cameron*'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Cameron would sell his sister if it got him a vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is the evidence that it was politically motivated?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'probably he would require 2 votes'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I don't know, that's what he said.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's some muslim nut taking retribution for perceived crimes against his muslim brothers abroad'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'screaming "an eye for an eye" and yelling pro-islamic slogans, and pointedly killing a member of the british government'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an army cadet is not a representative of the british government'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they attacked the british government - POLITICAL'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, so everything is now terrorism then?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is too.  just as a US soldier is a member and representative of the US government'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok, TG... tell me what IS terrorism?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'go ahead'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does it even exist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1. he use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. 2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. 3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government. '
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real terrorist attacks are extremely rare'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Coershion", "Violence" and "political"...  terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bombing of the Tory Party Conference in Brighton was terrorism, as were the IRA bombings'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that they were'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and so is this'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what was the agenda behind this attack?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to sent a political message to the rest of briton - "we're going to keep killing you"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's drawing conclusions without facts'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'until you remove yourselves from affairs in the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's what they were screaming'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or were they just kiding?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'attention seekers?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a big joke?  is that what it was?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reports i read they were just shouting "praise be to god"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't hold with violence, but if it was an eye for an eye, aside from choosing a pathetic target, i can't say i blame them'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't blame them for deliberatly killing an unarmed person?  hacking him to death with knives and hatchets?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what i said and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you said "if it was an eye for an eye.... I don't blame them"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sorry... "I can't SAY I blame them"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm pretty sure that if China in some parallel universe bombed the shit out of the USA and invaded, killing over a million civilions, you'd see americans go after the chinese forces too'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If only that soldier had been armed *smh England*'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, i did think that, DS'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how is that kind of act EVER "blameless"? '
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not blameless'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however you cannot consider it in isolation'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these attacks are happening, these sentiments exist purely as a result of Western foreign policy dating back 150 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate please explain the difference between "I can't say I blame them", and "blameless"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot seperate that'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wasn't alive 150 years ago... neither was the guy who got hacked to death'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you voted in the guys that made the decisions'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't vote 150 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone who gave our governments a pass are complicit'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I know what you are getting at... but regardless, I am still waiting for you to justify "I can't say I blame them"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i blame those muslims for hacking the guy to death, it doesn't justify the killing of an innocent civilian, but teh fact remains, they felt justified for doing what they did, and their feeling of justification was conferred by western foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AFK for a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if we truly want the spiral of violence to end, then we need to be the ones to make the first move'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and probably stopping these nuts from settling in the country might be a good idea, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... "they felt justified" I'll go along with that.  now... the "western policy" issue - I can tell you with some certainty that it has never been the policy of the US (and presumably the UK) to deliberatly kill defenseless people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'unless there was a very good reason?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'please site a policy'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drone strikes, iraq invasion'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '9/11, 7/7'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell me one law or policy in either the US or UK that calls for killing incocent on purpose?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'drones are for killing war targets'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you target 1 'terrorist' in the knowledge that the strike will kill 50 innocent non-combatants, that is a policy for killing innocent people on purpose'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are launching that strike in full knowledge that it will kill innocents'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it is :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. and it sounds crass, but if the decision to strike is made with the knowlege that innocents will likely be killed, the "purpose" they are being killed for is to kill a very bad target... it is NOT without purpose'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't justify it'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's a lazy approach'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ah, you are such a master debater Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now we have moved from "purpose" to "justify"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by that same logic, just nuke Afghanistan, then there won't be anyone left to fight back'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we lock up the entire public, then there will be no crime'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there will be crime in the jails no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... but that would be counter to the over-arching objective:  a free and stable Afghanistan.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so let's see then, you are justifying killing dozens of innocent people to target one 'radical', who himself is a target because of his actions in response to your own foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's analogous to repeatedly shoving someone in the back, tripping them over, and when they fight back, shooting him dead, and his entire family, and anyone else who happened to be in the area at the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Look...  for WHATEVER reason (150 years old or not) there are thousands of people in the world that will not rest until every American, Brit (includeing you) and JEW in the world is DEAD.  Shall take measures to prevent that?  or would you rather they accomplished that goal?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you leave them and their country alone, then they'll have less opportunity to harm you, and that anger will start to disperse'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bit of a catch 22 though, they want every American & Brit in the world dead because the Americans & Brits keep bombing them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Chicken and the Egg really.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because say "we're sorry" isn't going to change squat... they will still want you dead'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, cuthburt'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Just because someone shout "you started it!" and murder someone doesn't make the act blameless'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the west need to show some leadership and STOP'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop supporting the dodgy Saudi's, and the dodgy Bahraini's, and the dodgy Jews'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Agreed. Peace is born when one side has the courage to drop their weapon first.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what we have here is a 'mortal contest'... the difference is that the west does not want to kill all the middle easterners... where as the middle eastern radicals want to kill ALL the westerners (and jews)... makes for a pretty lop-sided play field'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those middle east radicals are small in number, and only grow in number because we persist in fighting them'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'left alone, their numbers would dwindle'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'War isn't won with guns anymore, Von. It's won with PR. Right now the radicals have SOME moral ground to stand on. If the U.S stops bombing, suddenly those 'freedom fighters' become loud-mouthed schmucks that are attacking a peaceful nation; THEY become the media-demons, not the West.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it only takes a few of them to blow up a butt-ton of innicents'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'innocents'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to mention the gigantic economic benefit to us for pulling out'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Saint Cuthbert person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we need to pull out of the area, and stop supply weapons to Al-Quaida in Syria, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They can't talk about the big evil western satan, their recruitment drops, they stop getting money and they go back to being nobodies ala the 80's and 90's. You'll never kill them all with force, but you can figuratively starve them into submission through attrition.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only reason we have arabs poppin up in the west at all is because we've destabilised so much of the middle east that it's caused a wave of refugees for them to tag onto'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'CB:  you are correct about the PR - there are three pillars to victory - kill the enemy - maintain the support at home - and maintain the good will of the host nation...  right now, the only part of that battle we are losing is the "support at home"'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no good will in the host nation'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Depending on which nation you're talking about, Afghanistan wasn't too happy with the Americans last I heard, nor was Iraq.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because people like TG spout anti-establishment rhetoric that they picked up on MSNBC'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only reason afghanistan isn't a conflagoration right now is because of millions of $$$ that the CIA ship over there to bribe the local warlords'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't watch MSNBC'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The problem with the U.S is its military is TOO big. Cut it by 10% and the U.S' deficit is gone, and they still have the largest army in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your numbers are wack, cuthbert ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'As it stands right now, terrorists get support because the 'war' is the equivalent of a 12th grader beating up a 1st grader.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'take a pole in Iraq right now... the common man.  see that they are quite happy that we were there... and they are quite happy that we are now gone'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you aren't 'gone', and Iraq is descending into civil war based around sectarian violence'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hold on, Tiger. I checked the numbers once and it made sense, lemme check again so I'm not just making them up :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iraq ultiamtely might have to be partitioned into three countries around Kurd, Sunnhi, and Shia'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bahrain would have had a revolution had the minority Sunnhi royal family not been propped up by the Americans'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Saudi Arabia makes Iran look like a loving old Granny'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You're right, my numbers are whack. How the fuck did I think that would work when I looked it up last time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what the numbers are, Cuthbert, but i know you're in far deeper trouble than that :-)_'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm not American, thankfully :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yes, vonliege, i'm anti-establishment when the establishment are the military industrial complex. I'm a free market libertarian :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither am i, i'm from the UK, and we're in just as much trouble just with much less to cut from'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '2012 deficit was 1.087 trillion, U.S Military budget for 2012 was 1.4 trillion. So yeah, I must have seen a T as a B in the deficit.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK we spend a pittance on defence, so if we cut it to 0, it would amount to about 1/3 of our deficit'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we have a pittacne zzq'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh... wonder how that happenend... well I hit the 'enter' key, obviously... '
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'had that pasted into the command window for some reason'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Lois Lane or whatever her name is is being recalled and forced to testify'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'are you watching Cuvoto?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's what's being aird on Fox ATM... she 'waived' her 5th ammendment rights but making the statement she did'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh... it's on CNN, too'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on CNN, must be true, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only stating that opposite leanintg networks are both covering it about the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so that does lend the notion credibility - if not truth'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly someone needs to be jailed over this'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and need to know how high it goes'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm liking this chick for the fall guy'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does seem like that'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which probably means it goes higher'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't just make a "mistake" like that unless it's on purpose'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bollocks was this a mistake, it was premeditated'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'refering only to her statement today'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not the entire scandal'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well her statement today feels staged'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has the feel of being deliberate and out there'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am refering to the fact that she MADE a statement... she said (paraphrase) "I didn't do it - I did nothing illigal - the IRS did nothing illegal and I pleasd the fifth'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if she didn't do it and didn't do anything illegal, she wouldn't -need- to plead the fifth'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless she was protecting someone'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we can only guess, was it a protest?'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sorry, TG... didn't get to finish my thought back there a bit... when you "Plead the Fifth", it's all-or-nothing.  As soon as she said "I did nothing illegal", she exposed herself to cross examination.  You don't get to get on a soap box and make the kinds of assertions she did, and then not be made to back them up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not in that forum, anyway.  I suppose she could say whatever she wanted to at the dinner table, or on the news... '
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some phone users are like the 'entitled' segment of the mud'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since they are on a phone, they feel 'entitled' to help from PC users who can get at maps and resources that they can ont'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mind you... that's SOME phone users... not ALL'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Why people would play on a phone is beyond me, its TelNet or nothing :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got my big dumb univax sitting right here!'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Aard is no less gory that the MOST gory of fully animated computer games... it's all in the mind's eye, regardless'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can't think of a single computer game where you slash babies'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'True fact.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides Aard'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <SneakY> Slyzora: 'the more baby guts the better'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Any game where you kill animal pups.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'QED.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so two baby seals walk into a club ...'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh.. I GET that one!'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege laugh
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jodi Arias is HOT!'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not that we could ever make it happen, but if the US just stopped spending completely for 1 year and raised taxes by 10%, we could pay off the national debt completely.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you couldn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krache: 'Thats what I said'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's if our current (plus the additional 10%) intake went 100% to the debt, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's not practicaly, clearly, but on a purely technical note, what is the US's tax income per year?'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bear in mind that your tax income will collapse because you've just made 10s of millions of people unemployed'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your best bet is chopping swathes out of the federal government, returning it to it's original purpose, handing responsibilities back to states, bringing your troops home and making significant cuts to the armed forces, and finally leaving taxes alone, but getting rid of most of the deductions and exemptions'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and raise minimum wage'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Obama is closing Guantanamo again, I see'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, he's not, he's not closing Guantanemo and blaming other people for not doing it'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and limiting drone strikes, that doesn't sound likely, the man seems to have a serious drone fetish'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'is this all because of the IRS debacle?'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or did I miss something'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's having to react, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, he talks about closing that place about once per year, it seems, always some new reason why he can't do it'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he makes arrests in the IRS, and ditches Holder and Clinton, there's a chance he'll make it through to 2016'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for every week that goes by where he isn't taking charge of the situation, he is further toxifying the democrat brand'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'vertical hydroponics is awesome....the future of food is bright.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, ultra ever dry is amazing stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ever dry is the ultimate waterproofing....it repels everything, and it can be applied to anything to make it waterproofed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some airlines have started coating their planes with it to prevent icing, and reducing the need for deicing systems.'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all I can say about Microsoft is THANK THE COMPUTER GODS that IBM didn't go with CP/M'
T3/r7/2013-05-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'without microsoft, we'd still be pecking away at punch cards'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, an alaskan bald eagle swooped down to grab a fish at the surface of a lake, and underestimated its size....the eagle grabbed the fish and promptly crashed into the lake.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Global warming caused by man caused algal bloom, creatiing excess food for the fish food chain, ultimately killing the bald eagle'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Its science'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the eagle didnt die....it swam with the fish in its talon to the shore and promptly ate the fish.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Thank god, we will survive global warming'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the eagle carried away part of the fish, and the rest was eaten by a fox that happened by.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Is this a parable or a commercial?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Or a parable with prominent product placement?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, a video that was sent to me from a friend who lives in alaska and was watching from her porch.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US Crude taste like CRAP.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then dont drink it !'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I tried it... went back to drinking good 'ol saudi sweet crude'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'American technology revolutionizes the oil business.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'America revolutionized the world'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd really like to participate in that discussion... but not on the gossip channel. '
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blasphemor!'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is there really an "o" in there?  I'd have spelled it with an "e"... suppose I could check'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, prob e'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "o" does sound more ominous, though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'deffo e'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'looked kinda cool with the o though, so went with it'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'yeah, o is deffo coolor'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, my hometown in Alaska gets 10% of its power from wind turbines now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'guess there is a lot of wind up there'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'scratch that, in 2013, it is up to 20%...they added more turbines last year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kodiak alaska has a lot of wind potential'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'adding more wind, reduced the need to burn diesel, so the diesel generation part dropped in half to 5%'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so basically kodiak gets most of its power from renewables.....wind and hydro.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's sickening the number of politians, backed by the communist BBC shouting out that they need everyone's internet traffic to be recorded to prevent terrorist attacks'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just because some lunatic nigerian drives into a soldier then hacks him to death with a meat cleaver'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'BBC is communist? '
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the BBC has some pretty strong left leanings, yes'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's nickname is "auntie"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'ah hmm learn something new everyday :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you look at the BBC every day, look at what they run, what they don't run, and the way they report things, there is little doubt'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'hmm i suppose but most media sources are left leaning well atleast in america (with the exception of fox)'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, well fox is bigger than most of the others, i guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'yeah but i think cbs is pretty big too and abc to a lesser extent'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all owned by political monsters'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'haha yep part of the sad downfall of america is the politcal takeover'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you going to do about it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'me? i dunno run for the hills when the **** hits the fan...'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'politicians are a tool - they have no intrinsic power other than that granted them by the Constitution, the American public, Corperate America, foreign governments and special interst lobbiests'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'i dont disagree with that but i think they are just as to blame as the others'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'In so much as when a "tool" breaks and causes you to skin your knuckles... ya.  They certainly have blame.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when I say "tool", I don't neccessarily mean "inanimate object"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'uhhuh '
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'though some politicians do a pretty good job of imitating inanimate objects'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): TaminFury chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think a conservative benevolent monarch would be the way to go - but that would never happen in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a better chance of a "red awakening" type dictator.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'i just think we need a decent leader (one without his head up his ass)'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would propose the the mere act of seeking high elected office disqualifies you - a difficult circular argument'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know that there has EVER been an altruistic, idealistic president.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'i dont think a monarch is the way to go i think we need to cut the bs dancing around pretending like they actually give a damn about the people'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'much less on that wasn't 'flawed' in many ways'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there certainly is a butt-ton of bull shit and dancing'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'well looking for a 'true, good' leader is nice but unrealistic'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'just a less idiotic one would be nice with strong morals and ideals and Sticking to them'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'but still its all just wishing the likelyhood of it happeing is very low unfortunately'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: '(happening)'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"If it is to be, it's up to me"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wise words'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or, how it is often uttered in annoyance by me: "Oh for fuck sake, i'll do it MYSELF"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) TaminFury: 'hehe go for it buddy'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't go for it, i'm British, best i can do is hold your american feet to to fire to gee you up to do something for yourselves'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): TaminFury P
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): TaminFury P
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): TaminFury ( stupid smiles
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's up with the 'bobbies' toting guns?  I never remembered them having guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost just totally 8failed TaminFury. Do they even have a shift key?
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was an armed response unit that took 20 minutes to turn up'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the the fools where still hanging around?  martyrs, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'little beknownst to me, apparently there are now a number of armed units always "on patrol", but generally the most cops are armed with here is a tazer and peppe spray'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wanted to get on tv'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was several minutes of dramitic 'posing' for cameras and phone before the 'armed' bobbies got there'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they achieved their aim, their words got out on all the media'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why didn't the people bum-rush 'em?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they weren't about to kill anyone else, so i guess people just stood around'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's plenty of video of them chopping off a guys head'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and there's plenty of people visible in the videos whatching them chop off a guys head'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyway... I see the real take-away as being "you can't ban rocks and sticks"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): TaminFury falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'take away the guns and people will murder with knives - take away the knives and people will murder with sticks - take away the sticks and people will murder with rocks - take away the rocks and people will murder with their bare hands... except by that point, it will only be BIG guys murdering littler guys.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'so take away the big guys'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people in the UK won't get involved, since they're unarmed and would be arrested'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'could be a problem without guns though'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'RV sales have rebounded 72% in the last 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what, exaclty would would like me to refute about that statement, Riz?  are they natural gas RVs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when will the market recover the remaining 28%?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or will it stay 28% in the tank?  '
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'RV sales are expected to be up another 30% this year, hiring of new factory workers is insane.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what's the distrobution of minorities buying them?  is it comenserate with the demographics of the US?  or is it mostly rich white people buying them?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how many of those workers are black?  or are they all hispanic?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'FEMA just ordered 25,000 trailers for this years tornado and hurricane victims.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are still people in LA living in fema trailers - some are on their fourth one'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'louisiana, not los angeles'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same one...FEMA doesnt buy you a new one every year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they give you one they already have'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They 'allow' you to rent one for free for a few years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I hope they don't place the trailers somewhere in tornado alley'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'watched it on 60 minutes several months ago - some people just trash 'em.. and get new ones'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'After 2 years, FEMA takes it back and sells it to people like me who then clean them up, and rent them to others.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good business.....buy up FEMA trailers for $2000-3000 each in bulk, and rent them out for $300 a month plus utilities in small rv parks that you build.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should plant Victory gardens....destroy the vegetable market in stores!'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'RVs are super expensive here, but there, nowhere to go with them'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can go to France in them :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bleh'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, the food grade plastic buckets sold at Lowe's are made in the USA, and only $4 each for a 5 gallon extra thick bucket.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=U0QBD6CXgdo'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"somebody needs to pay for all of my kids"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is why I am in favor of paying people to be sterilized.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=L792xZTPN4k'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woot, Adam Kokesh got released'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'making some strawberry boysenberry syrup.....mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if you could get one scientific device for free, which one you'd pick?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean free, as in I don't ever have to pay for its use, or free as in a sale price of 0?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'completely free'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'slaves and all that too'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I pick CERN, then.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'cern is so boring'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why do you say that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they only confirm the theories'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not much new stuff just - allright, we were right all along'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'were you expecting someone to say the Alcubierre Drive?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'computing.. erm. googleing'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the warp drive, a as-yet theoretical device that seems to be doable.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think time sucks, noone has ever proved it actually existed. so, that drive sucks'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'matter teleportation'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who needs a warp drive when you can just beam there?'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's sci-fi, Vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you said "scientific device", you did not specifiy past present or future - real or imagined'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe I'd settle for a jetpack... "Where's my jetpack?"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not from the movies. too insane'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can teleport photons, but bosons simply "die" thanks to a combination of the uncertainty principle and the sheer number of atoms/cells involved in even the simplest of lifeforms.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you'd effectively be splinched.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i have no clue how this all works but i have a hunch that the dalai lama got it right at the first glance: "its a trick"'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'high wisdom is all'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i mean - it will be so simple if you know the trick.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the "trick" may lie in quantumly-entangled brain-to-brain interfaces.  With those, p2p communication itself moreorless becomes obsolete because what one of you know the others already know.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'we are entangled to what we know too well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ2ebs9F1ek'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a perfect trick'
T3/r7/2013-05-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, rendered hog fat.'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, a 1.7 lb tomato from the greenhouse.'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is a shame that Sheriff Arpaio in Arizona is 81 years old....we need more like him, especially in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'One Night in Bangkok'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'makes the hard man humble'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, in the new hangover film....bill clinton makes a cameo with the mike tyson tattoo....'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I quit with the "hangover" series of films when they made the baby mock-jack-off'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, San Antonio received a little rain....almost 13 inches in 24 hours.'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're up to, what, 13 for the year now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'SA is turning into a jungle, 84 inches!'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh oh, feel bad for pabst drinkers, the price is going up 18% !'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'brew your own!'
T3/r7/2013-05-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, tasty neanderthal steaks?  New theory says that humans hunted and ate the neanderthals.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if Maryland passed the rain tax.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'One of the most heartbreaking results of the New Deal was the destruction of excess crops to justify the artificially high prices, despite the need for cheap food. In fact, many of the agencies created by the New Deal broke up black markets selling cheap goods.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, so we dont have a problem funding 18,000 MRAPs that the military does not need, but the Federal Residency Program for new doctors has been frozen since 1997....'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds good to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '100,000 doctor shortage by 2020, woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Of almost 22,000 U.S. medical school graduates who wanted to be "matched" to a residency position this year, 1,600 applicants did not find one, according to the National Resident Matching Program that places residents.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meh, doctor shortage nothing. Everyone can enjoy computer-assisted diagnosis in 2020'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"doctors" is a self correcting issue... if there's not enough doctors, the doctors that do exist will be offered more money - that will cuase more people to become doctors untill there are enough doctors.  though it will likely overshoot, and at some point there will be a few too many doctors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if there IS a doctor shortage, a federally funded residency porgram will just FU the free market correction'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'spend the money on MRAPs'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a doctor shortage of 22,000 right now, most rural towns are hit the hardest.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some medical schools in Texas have started offering 50% off tuition in some medical programs to increase enrollments.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with the understanding that you are making an agreement to spend a certain amount of years in rural towns in exchange for the cheaper tuition.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ct TOL or Umari'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like a good idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Mischan on the "...TOL or Umari..."'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Excalibur dehydrator rules.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'health care is poised to become an entirely new class of 'entitelment''
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'anyone think the stock market can keep levitating or is it going down in flames in the near future'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Longmire.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh oh, those evil doers better watch out now!  Britain has formed a task force!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'task force for what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty soon all you lucky people in the other 49 states will get to enjoy Texas Banking like we do.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'do texas rifles  support healthy banking?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Don't mess with texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i like mess halls, and message kits'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'should texas starve'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Daloran slaps VampireDude.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): VampireDude throws the holy hand grenade of antioch bac to Dalo yr an.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'texas is the most likely state not to starve'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is that a good hrm or a b S.A. d hrm'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'bad B) silly spellchecker'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why are Facebook censoring people who posted pictures from the march against monstanto that happened yesterday?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cause monsanto has lawyers'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Frost Bank, the best bank in Texas is going national.....while other big banks around the country were losing money during the recession, Frost has made a profit for the last 108 years...including every year of the great depression.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'how'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'How are they censoring? I shared a few march against monsanto pics on my fb page.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blocking access to pages that have photos of the march on. Sporadically'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'my professers fb page got blocled too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but it was befpre monsanto'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quiet weekend, eh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I guess Adam Kokesh is free now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yep. i censored too many people i guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Monsanto rules.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'with the iron fist of fascism'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'without monsanto - The world population would be much much smaller... and those that are here would be much much hungrier'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not particularly convinced that total yields are higher due to monsanto'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that'd only be the case if the world didn't produce FAR more food than the population requires...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'insecticide and pesticide alone account for butt-tons of higher yield... without them, there would be sequencial years of total crop failures'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto is a damn good stock to own.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, for now, ethical? no'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perfectly ethical.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perfectly ethical if you have no idea what ethics are, or have non'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Monsanto has the right to protect its IP.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'name a company that over, say, 100M cap/annual, and I will find something to BITCH about over them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It has spent billions on RD for its Roundup Ready seeds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it have the rights to buy itself immunity from prosecution in government? Does it have the right to buy up nearly all the other seed companies to give itself a near monopoly on seed technology, then make seeds that cannot be harvested for the following year?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'unicef'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'spent lots on DDT, Agent Orange, etc as well...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about suing farmers who have had montsanto seeds blow onto their property?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about selling unsafe seeds that are fucking up the ecosystem just because it increases sales of the weedkiller it was designed for?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All they had to do was give up their crop for a fair price to Monsanto.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Calling Montsanto ethical is like calling Hitler a humanitarian, so i'm calling Bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, "all you have to do is give up YOUR property to me"...yup, sounds reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why not just compete  with monsanto. get some detergent and some haplo and diplotypes a few bioreactors and some cmv'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wont be a problem in the future though....Terminator genes will take care of that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tigernuts i agree, but hitler did build nice roads'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not around here he didn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do it like Jurassic Park'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'imagine when monsanto branches  into human transgenics.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'michael crichton got the idea of the terminator gene from research Monsanto has been doing to protect its seeds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'worse still, EU is trying to pass a law to ban the sale of all seeds except those it approves'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking communists'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Monsanto products are banned from being served to monsanto employees in thier lunch cafeterias hmmmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, they can't have you shitting out the IP'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger how can you hate both hitler, and communists'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fascism and communism are closely related VD'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'not at all, tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'well thats like saying palestinians and israeli are related'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto has to protect its IP at all costs, otherwise they are out of business....it is no different than big food companies like Sara Lee'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I was unaware facism was considered a type of economy.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'daloran, i think its supposed t lo be a political methodology'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'It is, VD. Where as communism is not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'like hell it's not'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in communism, the tyrants own the means of productions, in fascism the tyrants control the means of production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Yes abe, it is not =p'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'it is notthe political philosophies that are similar, but the weaknesses of the humans who inevitably find themselves at the focus of power'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bullshit, daloran'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit has been called!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Language, Abe. And just because you say it doesn't make it true'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fuck language :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Don't be rude.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(debate is curse-allowed) :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and just because YOU say it doesn't make it true as well...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what kind of shenanigans are you going on about?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No, the fact that it is what it is does.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i lost the will to live some moments ago, what was the problem again?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Shrug. Think what you like.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think chicken soup with rice and a naked ukrainian chick would be nice.   but can we focis on the debate'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the questioN?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i asked tivernuts how he could hate both hitler and communists'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, well there you go, and i answered'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'there was none. You said communism and facism were closely related.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Which is wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'right, and dalo yr an dissented'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree, they're highly related and i told you why'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so its for daloran to show the relation'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Actually in communism the people own the means of production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except they don't'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'except they do.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ruling party'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'owns the means of production'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Because it was a failed implementation of communism.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'in communism the community owns it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'are we talking about theoretical/utopian communism or the type that happens in the real world?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then there has never been a successful implementation of communism which kinda ruins any practical application of your argument'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'There is no other kind, Tinada.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's never been such a thing as a point mas'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think were talking 1940s russian hungarian and italian communism'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mass*'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'and regardless, you're still confusing economic types with ways of governing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think we are :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wwll thosere the commies that coexisted with hitler'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'That is unfortunate. But in which case, well, we can disagree then.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'totalitarian/authoritarian regimes should be avoided'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mmk. we have an impasse'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, there was no question that we had an impasse, when daloran only wanted to talk about non-reality :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nothing wrong with counterfactual history!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't see why it would be a bone of contention, i didn't say they were identical, only that they had a lot in common'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'They don't though, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'And Abe.. It's unfortunate you think that. But clearly a point you're not willing to change your mind on, so no point further discussing it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they really do'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'daloran: it's unfortunate that you think that. But clearly a point you're not willing to change your mind on, so no point further discussing it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'see how well that works? :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Excellently, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'End result is the same.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so pot, kettle, and more bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'End result being me going to get a cup of coffee, and giving 0 fucks. '
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay for coffee!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Lol. Pot? Kettle? '
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, you're guilty of exactly what you're accusing me of'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've stated it, and given exactly the same amount of reasoning'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I never disputed that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hard day, abe? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, pretty good day today, tiger :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You come up with a good reason for me to change my opinion, you're welcome to try. But unfortunately it's unlikely you'll come up with a case for that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and debating with a hypocrite is always fun :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Coffee is going extinct......'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ahhhh fucknuggets... I missed the Monsanto debate... my life will never be the same :('
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Abe.. are you saying I'm the hypocrite in this instance?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but Monsanto will save the coffee bean...or Bayer will.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'riz: that's OK, monsanto will come up with a new one'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're absolutely a hypocrite in this instance, you've already admitted it'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Not really, Abe'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my neighbor has a tomato plant that is 9 feet tall.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should be called a tomato tree.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'eh, wait.. is this about Monsanto, Hitler, Commies, or tomato plants?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'debate -h doesn't go back far enough'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I think right now it's about Dal agreeing to disagree, and Abe taking that as an insult? I'm not sure. I just got on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, so doing something yourself while accusing someone else of doing it is not hypocritical...gotcha, now I see where you get your definitions from'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's unfortunate considering those two are some of the more reasonable individuals around these parts'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'That actually isn't hypocritical at all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is agreeing with that (Overlord) Onslaught person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Politics, amirite?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto created golden rice....it will save Africa.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not politics, it's economics, you bastard!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The politics of economics!?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't exist, just ask dal'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I do a lot of things with Dal, asking isn't one of them.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert strokes Daloran's inner thigh...someone tell them to get a room!
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Daloran pets Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert wibbles at Daloran threateningly.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So Abe.. just for my own sake, how do you see this as being hypocritical?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'wait wait I have an idea.. why don't one of you present your case to me and I'll judge the lot of ya?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'as an impartial observer?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Psh, way to be 3 steps behind the frontrunner, Onslaught. I've been judging you all for awhile now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hypothetically speaking, are hyper-sexualized socials allowed on debate channel?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your honor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Your Mom. That is all.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught peers intently at Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I win, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert gets a little overexcited and covers (Overlord) Onslaught in his own frosting!
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Apparently they are!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a curse-allowed channel'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'curse-allowed doesn't mean I can start pawing over Cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I think it's okay so long as she doesn't mind.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Dal, defend my honour, you slug. >:('
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I was thinking this is beside that consideration in any event'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuthbert's a chick? when did that happen?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '.. 2 years ago?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is sizing up breasts for a good motorboat, better hide yours!!
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's just that I get so turned on with every insult'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You moan in pleasure as Saint Cuthbert motorboats you!  PRRPBP-PRR-BPRP-BRRPRT!!
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Level 116 Female Triton Soldier (Tier 2).'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, my brother's a level 116 female triton soldier, too }:>'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'hey I don't judge'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Cuthberts your brother?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: ''Cuthbert's''
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Incestual twin, thankyouverymuch.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what next?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bodychecking in Canadian Peewee hockey.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well I really was kinda curious about what the "hypocrite" charges were all about'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i haven't called anyone a hypocrite tonight... yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but since no one seems to want to return to a modicum of maturity'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Nah Tiger, Abe. But if he has no desire to answer that's fine too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Everyone's a hypocrite. If we had to act on every belief we have at the same time, we'd go nuts. Humans are walking continuity errors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I answered during the accusation...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught is agreeing with that Saint Cuthbert person again...
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'but I'm speaking to a specific accusation of hypocrisy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so end it and start with something else'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I fail to see it. Can you elaborate for my benefit?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Tigernuts, if I lick you will you cure my impotency ala Chinese therapeutic medical beliefs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, that stuff is largely bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you need a panda penis for that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Tigernuts, can I lick you anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'okay new topic then.. here all of you watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeWPScnolo'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and tell me why the fuck no one's pointed Tim Minchin out to me before, like, last week?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I mean yeah I know Americans live in a bubble but jeeeeez'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Onslaught.. I think it's just kind of assumed everyone already knows about him.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh Oh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mISUM0qvFTQ <-- No, watch THIS. Debate topic: Is this movie as awesome as it looks.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'by the way, the answer is "yes, it is"'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'any movie with "borg" in the title is automatically considered "awesome" at the very least'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'possibly better, but definitely never worse'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is Tim Minchin?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The shoeless British singer/comedien.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the name rung a bell, couldn't place him'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'he's a singer/piano player/comedian, tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'singer/comedian/piano player/guitar player/fashion icon/uhh...tiger'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'ginger'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Does he actually play guitar? I've only ever seen him pantomime it '
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'yah'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Huh. Neat.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'love without evidence is... stalking...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hey man, unrequited love is still love.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'pretty sure you need evidence for stalking charges to stick.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'dude's been around for years.. just so unfair...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I never cared for him. I saw a few of his bits and he's funnier than most, but eh... I've never been big on stand-up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'my gf doesn't know about me yet'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well now I do, Greg.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'how were they cuth? His bits, I mean'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I wouldn't call what he does stand-up'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'it's just a mish-mash '
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Pasty white and fringed with a mighty mane of ginger ticklebush.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'hehe. oh ginger'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So come on, Manborg. Awesome or not?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I already answered that'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'next?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, Texas is up to 2.3 million barrels of oil per day.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Number One Man will personally off-dub your asskicking if you don't watch his movie.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There's oil in dem thar hills!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'Riz.. seriously is your fetish over Texas oil an intentionally ironic commentary thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'or you own stock or what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots and lots of stock.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I see... so bragging then'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkey stock!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I miss the days where the only bragging you heard online was about how you could pick your nose with your own penis due to its huge size.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'can you be serious for just 2.3 seconds?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'By the way, Onslaught.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I can pick my own nose with my penis, it's THAT big.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so can donkies :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'But that small around.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nah, I just have big, thick, throbbing nostrils.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught shivers at the thought of fighting Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'sorry, I was "busy" for a second there'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '.. did you get any on you?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well maybe'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkey poo ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Good, good.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'snickers bar, large drink and grab bag of doritos!  1.29 at circle k in San Antonio!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it underwater?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'san antoine here i come'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '50% off flood sale.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn. anyone have gas cb money its 398 a gallon for ethanol based gas cb here'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is cb?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'citizen band'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ita what google spellchecker adds when i hit space cb'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'im mudding from the android app for aardwolf'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if only i could grow my own fuel ethanobotanically'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it rained 13 inches in san antonio....where did the water go ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drained away, i guess'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absorbed into the soil, evaporated'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i have yeast but no sort of vessel for condensation. sucks'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'I live in SA, trust me it's still here'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'slaught, a friend of mine just moved to s.a.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shes a military wife wi an open marriage.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$7.87 a gallon here btw'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'cool'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'omg tiger for real'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is cheap.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wish i had an electric car. i know people on ssi who are strippers that get free electric in their rentals'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i bet i could get full batteries  if i drove em to or from places'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if gas cost that much here.....we would have a revolution.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'vive le revolution'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'against who and for what?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dunno'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas will live again!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rebel without a cause?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'can't tell if serious'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rebel against hair spray'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'and it's driving me nutz.. and you know it iz... so you keep doing it... well played...'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'serious about car. chiming in for rizgoths revolution'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'not yoo :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'also serious bout open marriage friend, and the ssi strippers'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Remember the Alamo!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'turns out their tips dont dq them from ssi'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't know the meaning of the phrase 'cost of living' until you try and live in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'okay.. I still don't understand why this is information you think we need to know'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'unless you're trying to get me to come buy a lapdance or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dude. just living at heathrow between flights is pricy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most I ever paid for gas:  Fall of 2011 off the Autobon between Berlin and Munich - $3.55(equivlent)/liter - Roughly $14.00 per gallon'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'slaught no. the ssi strippers are a motive to convert my car.  the open marriahe chick might be your type'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von damn. id just take a taxi'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'a lot of taxi drivers in munich speak arabic btw'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Von.. That's not that uncommon if you're down at the water. Gas prices at docks are rediculous.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Most I ever paid for gas, I was driving down the Alcan, and gas was $4.80 a gallon canadian in the northwest territory.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was one of those things... couldn't make it to subsidized gas, so had to get 4-5 gallons on the econmy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it was smack in the middle of oktobrefest, so roads were SLAMMED with people.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'drunk ones at that'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for about three weeks there in september, the politzi don't give out DUIs, and they don't ensure compliance with socialist price fixing'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ergo - hundreds of thousands of drunk europeans all ripping down the roads at 150km/hour looking for gas'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just found out that Alaska finally paved the road from Kodiak to Pasagshak........20 years after I left Alaska :('
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pavement still ends 2 miles north of fairbanks'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz free income if you dwell in alasa for a year'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): (Overlord) Onslaught sighs.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we've had that discussion already'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Pasagshak has the best salmon fishing in the State of Alaska......you can see the salmon swimming in the 3 feet deep, 5 feet wide streams next to the road on both sides.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dude i love spoked salmon. its even tastier than b negative'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure i'd like this: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331066/Six-Flags-Over-Texas-Amusement-Park-Worlds-highest-swing-ride-opens-taking-thrill-seekers-400-FEET-air.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'oh hey, going back to the 3d printing discussion some of us were having last week, you guys see this? http://www.livescience.com/34613-3d-printing-airway-splint.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'superman'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'onslaught can it 3d print me a carburator?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'well probably not the machine which made that one'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'note'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'meh'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'toger ive been watching for that ride to open at six flags for a month now'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'itd be nice to have my car functioning better.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but oh well. i is not a mechanic. so nothing to do. the youtube vids talk about things and tools i havent got'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So the feds backed off on Adam Kokesh, he'll be marching on DC with guns as planned:)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'death, should i buy a gun?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhhhh... huh?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about this for an entrance exam question: "The year is 2040. There have been riots in the streets of London after Britain has run out of petrol because of an oil crisis in the Middle East. Protesters have attacked public buildings. Several policemen have died. Consequently, the Government has deployed the Army to curb the protests. After two days teh protests have been stopped but twenty-five protesters have been killed by the Army. You are the Prime Minister. Write the script for a speech to be broadcast to the nation in which you explain why employing the Army against violent protesters was the only optiona available to you and one which was both -necessary- and -moral- (15 marks)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it was neccesary and mora I'll because without government buildings   people would be consumate teenagers incapable of self rule'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ah haaa, you Americans and your guns. You'd so adorable... from a distance... where I don't have to worry about getting shot like the thousands of people a year that're killed in the U.S by firearms alone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but pms never cb write their own scripts. pah'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'cuth we dont use need firearms. we can drone strike'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'We would use drones'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'we give medals for succesful drone kills :-) its like being an ace pilot or being wounded in duty'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or maybe it helps with the pscychological guilt of killing people by p fee essing a button'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'or maybe it makes it feel all the more overpoweringly awesome'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Putting those Call of Duty skills to work. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like guns, Drones are only a tool, it's how they are applied. With the USA? unethically'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mdals for drone kills seems silly to me. what sort of bravery or courage is exemplified by sitting at a computer and rltyping'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hilariously irrationally as well, Tiger. I can't believe people were upset about trigger-locks being mandatory at gun shows.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'questors sending m de to drone strike a sixteen year old son of a cleric ? mmk'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'buut. do i need a medal. no . just s lo me qps'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some years ago the establishment decided it was going to brainwash people into being paranoid about guns, i guess you could say it's working'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'robotic arms rotating cabinet is gonna slice lesions  into brains for the establishment?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lost me there'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger. google robotic arms rotating cabinet conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never heard of it'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'francess dec.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'uhhh... damnit'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) (Overlord) Onslaught: 'of course I go afk right before the fun debate on drones... sigh'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dont sigh too loid the drones will hear you'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no debate on drones'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'yes. Because drones are awesome.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drones -are- awesome, appropriate deployed'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'The same could be said about anything used to fire weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'or perform surveilance'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'That's not the drones fault'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'marines r used to fire weapons'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'do you think marines have ethics?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Marines are also awesome. Though, with higher variability in awesomeness then drones.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Being people, yes, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i do like those swords'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the few. the proid.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Adam Kokesh dammit!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder if he will sue?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'who is the funniest of wkuk you think?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert raises her hand.
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i'd say its the Timmy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wkuk?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'whitest kids you know'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'u*'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds faintly racist'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but they really are quite white'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racist'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'me?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'why so?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racist against white people'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'im a white christian male! ! !'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmO9GCjCEYE'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, a racist one at that'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how so?  what makes him racist?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wkuk'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You want to see racist, look up a recent movie called Ooga Booga.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Black guy gets killed by the cops who mistake him for a robber at a convenience store hold up. His soul returns (ala Child's Play) in the body of a 6" tall tribal cannibal doll, complete with nose bone and little spear.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgHbIeSmfsI'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ok, sound interesting but must write it down somewhere.. "ooga booga" sounds so strange to my white european ears'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I won't say whether it's good or bad, I haven't seen it, but man, if it wasn't a low budget indie-film that thing would be getting protested 24/7.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'What I really want is Dead Shadows, but nobodys uploaded a set of English subs for it yet.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only because society is wuusified, and most folks walk around looking for an excuse to be offended and victimized'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'this racism thing. a good intelligent humour is the only way to fight it!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spoke like a true racist'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'u are the racist!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no u!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no. U'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'U!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'U U U'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i win'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is Russia right to arrest people critical of the government?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're no help'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which do you think is worse in this respect, Russia or USA?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'usa'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'usa'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ohhaihwuajijal'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'because russia has obvious corruption. usa has a bunch of weasels'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'citron made weasels sexy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Hwuaijijal and VD... have either of you ever been to Russia AND the USA?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i have lived in russia'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you have lived in the USA?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you really only have the RT to go off of for your assertion that the USA is a greater violator of civil liberties?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did you live in Soviet Russia?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so your comparrison is for current russia, then?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would imagine both are similar in terms of violations'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no, there is a difference'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG.. both US and Soviet Russia, Moder russian and Soviet russia, or Modern russia and the US?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I dunno, I mean, the U.S isn't perfect but even I have to give this one to Russia. The whole Pussy Riot thing was a disgrace.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both target political opponents, both ignore civil liberties when it suits them'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both target or humour corporate interests as per their interest at the time'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pussy riot was a disgrace and adam kokesh wasn't?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They basically made up a law to arrest a bunch of young women for singing a song? I mean, "Hooliganism"? The U.S rarely hands out prison time for political protestors unless they're blowing stuff up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Difference is Kokesh was released, Pussy Riot is still in prison.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US don't tend to do prison, they just disappear you permanently'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm... not so sure about that? You have examples?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Regime critical journalists tend to disappear in russia.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two that jump to mind are Pat Tilman and Andrew Breitbart'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how many prominent Americans have been assainated compared to Russians in the past 10 years?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'David Kelly is another notable'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'primarily for idealistic reasons?  Journalist, disidents, etc...?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Russia is WAY more oppresive than the US'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bunch of people related to the BP spillage disappeared or were murdered'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every time there's a big incident which has some form of coverup attached will be present an extraordinarily high murder rate'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's a partial list of priminent americans assasinated since 2000: Thomas C. Wales, federal prosecutor and gun control advocate - Chauncey Bailey, Oakland Tribune journalist - George Tiller, late-term abortion doctor'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he wasn't, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'NOW here's a list of prominent Russians assasinated since 2000:  Sergei Yushenkov, Russian politician - Yuri Shchekochikhin, Russian journalist - Paul Klebnikov, editor of the Russian edition of Forbes magazine - Akhmad Kadyrov, Kremlin-backed President of the Chechen Republic - Aslan Maskhadov, President of separatist Chechnya - Anatoly Trofimov, former FSB deputy director - Magomed Omarov, deputy Interior Minister of Dagestan - Bayaman Erkinbayev, Kyrgyz MP - Altynbek Sarsenbayev, Kazakh politician - Abdul-Khalim Sadulayev, President of separatist Chechnya - Anna Politkovskaya, Russian journalist and human rights campaigner - Vitaly Karayev, mayor of Vladikavkaz, North OssetiaAlania - Kazbek Pagiyev, former mayor of Vladikavkaz, North OssetiaAlania - Nina Varlamova, mayor of Kandalaksha, Murmansk Oblast - Stanislav Markelov, human rights lawyer - Adilgerei Magomedtagirov, interior minister of Dagestan - Aza Gazgireyeva, deputy chair of Ingushetia Supreme Court - Bashir Aushev, former deputy prime'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is no comparison - whatever'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In Breitbart's case "An autopsy by the Los Angeles County Coroner's Office showed that he had cardiomegaly and died of heart failure"'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when was that released?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not entirely sure, sometime after 2012 I imagine.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'from usa part there is a lot of preaching about.. a lot of preaching. that is something a sane person never does'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that you also think Pat Tilman was killed by friendly fire, you'd have to question the other official responses, like the whistleblower (forget his name) who in a last panicked phone call told of people climbing in through his windows to get him, but apparently shooting yourself in the head twice with a shotgun is suicide'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And beyond Tilman's CO making a really really really stupid comment, I don't see the conspiracy there either.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'See, TN. If you'd mentioned THAT guy, I'd be agreeing with you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The other two just seem a little thin.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the tilman issue was very local, very poorly handled, and very tragic... but at the end of the day, it was a fratracide event that the immediate supervisors tried to cover up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the official version of the events is still a poor match to the evidence'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Gary Webb is the whistleblower's name, btw.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardelss - lies or not (and I am positive there are a few lies still being supported), it is a very small event, compounded only by Tilman's fame'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'David Kelly was the most recent and high profile in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are hundreds of fratracide cases that were 'officially' reported as accidents or enemy fire.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must make it ok then'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Weird. Not seeing anything about the phone call. But 2 bullets to the head is a strange suicide.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'If you say it's Ok, TG, then you are seriously flawed'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yanks are a little less open about the murder of inconvenient people than the Russians'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's almost like a game to them'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would point out though, that the USA are supposed to be the good guys'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'His actions prior to the suicide seem pretty in line with someone who's about to kill themselves though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're slinging crap like the UK is a big fat rose garden'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK and USA might as well be stapled together afaicm VL'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Lost his job, lost his house in the market crash, complained about being depressed, took his kids out (individually) for dinner and a movie within 2 weeks of the suicide (something his kids commented on being out of character for him) and they all received individualized notes in the mail.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both countries pretend they're epitomes of freedom and democracy, and both are hypocries'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hypocrites*'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Now that I can agree with you on. The U.S hasn't been "The Good Guy" for awhile now in anyone but their own minds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the wiki entry is the sanitised version of events surrounding Gary Webb, doesn't mention the death threats, the being shadowed'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mention testimony from his colleagues and friends'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mention the changes in reporting'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm reading that one right now, unfortunately the guy writing this article comes off like a complete nutjob.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either he was killed, or was hounded to suicide like that hacker fellow not so long ago'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Aaron Schwartz'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"4. He PLACED (evocative and misleading word) his baby shoes in his mothers shed. To me 'placed' sounds very deliberate and hints at twisted act suggestive of death. Read the sentence again and substitute the word 'put' for 'placed'. Ah, a completely different picture. Assuming he actually did put his baby shoes in his mother's shed, we can only project what it MIGHT really mean--and I think that's the point. He was moving, do you think just maybe he decided his BABY shoes should be stored at his mother's house. After all, baby shoes are a common memorabilia for mothers. Or is it possible he RETURNED his baby shoes to his mother. A shed is a place for storing things one isn't currently using! I think this reference to baby shoes is non- sequitur logically but creates the INTENDED picture." <--- I mean, this comes off like rambling.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like most 14+ lessons in English Literature'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or most of the arguments for carbon taxation'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"7. Gary's ex-wife Susan Bell states: "The way he was acting it would be hard for me to believe it was anything but suicide." An interesting OPINION, but she supplies no convincing evidence to illustrate what she means by this. If it's based on baby shoes in sheds, notes to family members, or distraught over career prospects, then I'd say Susan Bell is entitled to her opinion. And no where are we told how long Ms. Bell has been divorced from Mr., Webb or if she has remarried. It's difficult to determine just how close and involved in Gary's life Ms. Bell has been, as of late. However, being Webb's ex-wife still gives Ms. Bell's opinions a lot of weight. In fact, I think she's being unknowingly, and unfairly used as a counterweight to any theories or suspicions by others, that Gary may have been murdered. Then factor in the fact that she is grieving."'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Haha. http://rense.com/general60/move.htm This is where I'm getting this shit from.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He started out sounding somewhat plausible, but his breakdown of his evidence is a joke.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'questioning how well connected he is to his ex-wife is a reasonable thing to ask'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though one would wonder how he would know any different'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well enough to sign her as a beneficiary of his bank account.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so probably well enough, though that's no guarantee, could have been a next-of-kin thing for the kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Honestly, the things that are jumping out at me here are 1) How do you shoot yourself in the head twice with a .38 revolver? (Apparently that was the weapon, not a shotgun)'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'and 2) Webb mentioning people hanging around his building in the weeks leading up to his death.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dead easy, conspiracy theorist!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it might be possibel to shoot twice'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The coronor said it's rare but he'd seen it before.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'and I quote, ""It's unusual in a suicide case to have two shots," he said, "but it has been done in the past, and it is in fact a distinct possibility.""'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea reflex or person thought to shoot twice before the first pull'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and now we'll never know'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGl8ocDWggM'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Whoooooa'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'This writer just went into full-on tinfoil hat mode.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'When discussing the movers who called police after finding an odd note on Webb's door, "But there's more. What a coincidence that this moving company has a nefarious operating profile (based on the above link) that is reminiscent, in some ways, of the notorious Israeli connected companies that have recently been coming under legal scrutiny. My point isn't that the any Israelis were involved, but that moving companies can easily be used as fronts for intelligence operations. "'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any company can be used as a front for intelligence operation'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police here got criticised for using dead childrens' id's in their undercover work'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/05/24/ibragim-todashev-s-father-my-son-was-innocent.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another inconvenient person the feds offed'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'speaking of conveniance. what happened to the pizza guy'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Ahhh, see, now I'm with you on that one. I'm not going to say they did it, but that story didn't make a lot of sense to me either.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Why would a guy attack a room full of heavily armed officers!?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And I mean, out of the blue too. They question him, he answers, then suddenly turns violent?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'simple, he likes to be manhandled'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The only reason I can think of that someone would do something like that is drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than likely just feds deciding to pop a cap in his head'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well man, you won't get much in the way of disbelief on my part with that one. That story stinks to high heaven.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether deliberately or as a matter of incompetence i couldn't say'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, grape nuts is a good cereal.'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'california raisins?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas!'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When the spirit of the dog soldier comes for you, will you let him in, or let it be?'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saiber: 'o.o'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saiber: '0.0'
T3/r7/2013-05-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saiber: 'O.O'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Google IS the Government. Discuss!'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, score one for mother nature.....a bear mauled to death a murderer near yellowstone.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'brown bears are great....'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, strawberry iced tea.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, sour chicken.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google glass'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bob Dole should be retired from talking in public'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Kanye West had his event in Texas shut down by the cops'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good for the cops, he is a punk.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a racist'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty fucked up world when black people are allowed to be racist when their own people sold them into slavery in the first place. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol '
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, totally their fault'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stop selling your people into slavery :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the main difference between the levels of globalist control between USA and UK is that the UK was far further ahead - they had already jacked up the cost of living, created a welfare state that has toppled the ability of working people to pay, and put in a surveillance state well before the USA, now the USA is playing catchup, and the patriots have a constitution to use as something to measure it against whereas in UK it was like cooking a frog'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'my people weren't sold into slavery. we were enslaved as a nation for ca 600 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, i'm very white'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my nation is enslaved right now'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dominicans are still selling their kids into slavery, even today.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh, that's very liberal use of the word'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for reclaiming words back'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, someone commented that you can have a free society, you can have a diverse society, but you cannot have both'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cheep cheep cheep'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you prefer a diverse society or a free one, riz?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a rich one.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have a rich one'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ok, then just give me a donkey.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only the controllers are allowed to be rich'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get to be slave'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'noe wants to be my donkey?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't be allowed to keep donkies'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll send swat teams around to confiscate them'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'i am a political donkey'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody will allowed to have partners, only government approved spouses'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that will keep an eye on you and report back any form of dissent'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'marriage is already government-vetted here'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, I love darts.....a real sport.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, darts won't be allowed either, dangerous weapons are darts'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics/item/15473-world-bank-insider-blows-whistle-on-corruption-federal-reserve'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, darts.....I also love strapping dynamite onto arrows and blowing up stumps.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All you need is 2 forms of identification to buy explosives in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Queen Bee Noegel is a stump.
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get swat teamed here for buying or even looking up component parts of explosives'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and thrown in jail'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should all congressmen/women who score under 50% in the freedom index be barred from re-election?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lowest score was 5% by McCarthy of New York'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'impressive'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lowest Senate score was 5% by C Levin of Michigan (even Dianne Feinstein scored higher at 13%)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'is the test available online?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't a test, it's a record of the votes undertaken in congress and the senate, and a scorecard of each participant along constitutional lines'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.jbs.org/voting-index/download?id=302_2852523dc7082dca5a39e388346de1e8'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's biased towards constitutionalists, but it's a useful tool as it describes the votes, whether they passed, and for what grounds that bill is considered a plus vote, a negative vote, or a not-scored vote'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they were school test card scores, this would be a retard school'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas !'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have to kick out the globalists and democrats first'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck with that, there's a hell of a lot of them'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what will happen when King Abdullah of S/Arabia finally is confirmed as dead?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'his son takes over, and nothing changes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'his 2nd son is a reformer, but he will never be king.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deb unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What do you think the british royal family would be doing if they had billions to spend like the saudis ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think they don't have billions to spend?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"shutting up about it" would be what they'd be doing'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because the queen's budget is around $30m or so.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '30m is not $130 billion'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's her public budget, not her personal wealth'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is what she is paid by tax payers in order to fulfil her constitutional role as head of state'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crown wealth is 'hidden' under the veil of government, pretending it is 'publicly owned', when really it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'according to Forbes, the queens wealth is estimated to about 400 million pounds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, re-read what was said :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the wealth is held by independant organisations like the "The Crown Estates"'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which essentially leases crown land to the government in a contract that is renewed upon ascension'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Charles chose not to renew the agreement he'd lose his 30m a year payment, but regain control of the estate'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just the one organisation that holds the palaces has a $12bn portfolio'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just UK holdings'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't include commonwealth holdings'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$30m a year on $12 billion is chicken feed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, it was a political move at the time of George III to prevent parliament yoinking it'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'King Charles had already gone through the works of having a war against parliament, so George III decided not having his head cut off was a good game'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is seeking a law that would require automakers to install "black boxes" in every new car and light truck sold starting September 2014. But unbeknownst to their owners, many vehicles already carry event data recorders, or EDRs. The NHTSA estimates that about 96 percent of all 2013 vehicles have the devices. '
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite the same as, but causing the same kinds of privacy issues as a black box recorder insurance providers are pushing on people to record elements of their driving style'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was a stink with Ford Motor Company a few years back about the 'black box' data.  A car owner had had a wreck that he didn't think was his fault.  he knew about the data recorder, but could not access the data.  Ford claimed that the data was there property, not his.  Courts ended up siding with the consumer, and then sided with him again when the data proved his no-fault.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/bono-richard-branson-and-olivia-wilde-making-fun-of-illuminati-conspiracies-in-charity-ad/'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a scarecrow with motion detectors....when it senses an animal, it shoots water out of its eyes at the animal.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we could fit taser bracelets on all members of our respective parliaments, and everytime they vote for something unconstitutional, or just something plain stupid and greedy, WHAM'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(could also be quite fun)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who would you trust to hold the button?  not me... who ever had the button would end up no better than the members of parliment - courupted by greed'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give the button to me'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'board of constitutional lawyers majority decision'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/40-statistics-about-the-fall-of-the-u-s-economy-that-are-almost-too-crazy-to-believe'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22673156'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'snoopers charter looks back on'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some are now calling for opting out of the entire federal education program'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, the wellhead price of natgas is $3.34 per 1000 cubic feet.....but the residential price is $9.30 per 1000 cubic feet......All those gas producers should buy up the natgas providers'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then they'd have to maintain distribution'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'makes business sense to warren buffet...he bought up the largest natgas pipeline/gas provider in the US last year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's because he's waiting for the payout on the new planned run'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas prices are down 50% since 2011 because of a glut in production.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'need more natgas cars.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and more natgas power stations.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the industrial price of natgas is $4.54 per 1000 cubic feet.....the lowest price in decades.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas power is currently cheaper than coal in the US, one of the major reasons for the drop of 30% in coal use.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar power would disappear without huge subsidies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so would the navy'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so would your mom.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so would the democrat party'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it has a few good applications though'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz, nah, she lives in kansas outside topeka on the 193'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we use solar power on some of our remote fences, saves running the electrivity out there'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, shooting at, ridiculing, taking everyone's liberties'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'never a shortage of johns willing to subsidize his mom'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, solar'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i like solar powered vampires'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like democrat powered vampires'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like solar powered donkies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mmnm democrats with ab+ and a nice chianti'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'lol. graffiti on pyramid. ding jinhao was here'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama officials say that the UK would probably be excluded from a trade agreement worth billions a year if it leaves the EU'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would like to take this opportunity to pass Obama a message regarding this'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts implies with his middle finger that he would like you all to fuck off!
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'swivel on it, motherfucker'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and I'm sure he gives a flying fuck about your opinion on the matter ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he won't either, since he'll be long gone'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if his team said that, then it's pretty clear that the free trade agreement isn't the goal'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or simply that the agreement talks are with the EU, and so it would cover the EU'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then there's no need for such comments'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'depends on what was asked'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the largest wind power provider in Texas sold out of 500 Kwh options in a week, and currently has a waiting list for additional wind capacity of 900 Mwh of wind power.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if UK being part of the EU is part of the US-EU deal, and we leave, what do we care if the EU-US deal fails as a result?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if UK leaving the EU isn't a deal breaker for the US-EU deal, then why comment on it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if he's in negotiations with the EU, and someone asks "If the UK leaves the EU, will they be covered", then his response of "no, they won't" is quite warranted as a response'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he didn't say it's a dealbreaker for the US/EU deal'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'at least not as you quoted it'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"EU exit would put US trade deal at risk, Britain warned" is the headline'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, that's the proper thing to say'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well clearly UK would be excluded, that's not in question. The Guardian is a pro-europe left-leaning paper, so it's not surprising they're posting bullshit headlines'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love wind power, and would like to see it expanded in the US...'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i love bacon'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"if I have an agreement with union X, and you are now in union X, then you're covered...if you leave union X, then you are at risk of not being covered"...nothing wrong with that statement'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good thing pigs breed quickly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what the headline said'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'however, it is what was said (and is pretty clear reading the very first paragraph)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, but anyone reading the news front page and not reading the article itself will see the headline and get entirely the wrong idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this has to be put into the context of Obama whinging at Cameron for even considering leaving the EU'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not part of his masters' great plan of a single world government'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love u-pick orchards and berry patches.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we've got lots of those around here, go there often :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'picked up about 50 lbs of strawberries for $1.00 a lb here....getting too hot to do upick though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'whats too hot?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '90 F'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'ah. i still go out then as long as its not humid. i just do a shorter trip'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'my biggest issue is driving to multiple orchards to get all the different things i want. '
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a few farm shops that charge a premium'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'short growing season, lack of space, so people buy cheap imported tat from abroad'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too many pesticides on that crap though.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but for a large portion of the UK it's the difference between being able to afford to eat, and going hungry'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'well, i can go to the farmers markets and get everything but picking off the vine/bush/tree is so much better'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just installed a greenhouse in my backyard....going to use hydroponics to grow lots of stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and be swat teamed?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you are dreaming, :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feds use hydroponics outlets as a seed for places to raid'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'you wont be'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'DEA raided a family doing the same thing in their basement, on the mistaken belief they were growing weed.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instances of it in the news every week'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, knowing you're a gun owner, they'll bring the heavy dudes'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one, you can see everything in my backyard from the neighbors, 2, I dont use grow lights, they are not needed, 3, I know the local sheriffs quite well, 4, chuck norris is my neighbor!'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka laughs out loud at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well best not be rude about your feds, else they'll still raid you'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the local sheriffs aren't the issue, it's the Feds.  They don't care who you are, if the datapoints suggest you are engaged in an illegal weed-growing operation then you are engaging in an illegal weed-growing operation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you're a gun owner or a patriot, you're down for special beatingz'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my goal is grow 1500 lbs of tomatoes this season.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'wow. make a lot of pasta sauce }:>'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and sun dried tomatoes, blts, and donations to local shelters that offer cooked food, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and perhaps sell some to neighbors.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they depend on that nifty new software package that works like the Minority Report network.  They get to hack into anything that maintains a documents online and can look for patterns that suggest illegal activity (for example, a sudden jump in electricity rates).'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'how many varieties are you looking at?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dude, charging Chuck Norris is never a good idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, a friend sent me a packet of 200 seeds with 10 different varieties, but she wont tell me the kinds....so we shall see!'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'hrm. thankfully you can tell once they are ripe'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'putting 2 plants in each 5 gallon bucket, 10 buckets for this first group.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plus other buckets for greens, peppers, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taterz'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone needs taterz'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, growing potatoes outside in the raised beds.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'you grow taters in 30gal totes'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have 2 4x100 foot raised beds for potatoes, and some other veggies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i want a raised bed :-( and some railroad ties'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'also started some strawberry plants.....60 of them...building a vertical growing system for them....4 plants per bucket, 3 buckets, 5 towers.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'golden alexandria?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'i am planting some in a pot this year. but i love the overhead idea. tending to them as a kid was a pain...we grew them in the ground. '
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think vertical growing is the future of farming personally.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has some limitations'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'my friend just created a vertical pallet garden. '
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but people have been terrace gardening for millenia'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i like raised b reds but plant above a strainer, baset, or aluminum mesh, makes harvesting easier'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, Ted Cruz must really have the democrats worried, they're running attack pieces on him personally: http://washingtonexaminer.com/mainstream-media-scream-matthews-calls-cruz-face-of-the-wild-nasty-hard-right-fringe/article/2530567'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Beverely (in massivehugetits) canceled it's memorial day parade citing cost, yet burnt over $30k hosting a concert for an American Idol contestant'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, now an Illinois teach is in trouble for telling his students about the fifth ammendment as a warning before they were given a survey from the school that would pry in into their misdeeds surrounding alcohol and drugs. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20130525/news/705259921/'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should give the guy a medal'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Tiger... Doesn't apply.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what doesn't apply?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bill of rights doesn't apply to kids?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Actually, no. It doesn't. Not on school grounds, it's been ruled before in cases of illegal search/seizures'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a good reason not to send your kids to school, then'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Also, I don't think the fifth ammendment would be relevant in this case anyway - That tends to only be for police/legal preceedings. That being said, The students aren't obligated to be truthful in that example anyway. Not under oath'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Nothing really at stake'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that depends on how it is being put to them. If it is being made out to be a mandatory survey for which there are repercussions for wrong answers or non-answering, then i agree'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all depends on how it is being sold'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Either way, if there was any wrong doing on the part of the teacher, it wasn't in informing them of the fifth ammendment, it was in being (potentially) mistaken as to its application in this instance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'As I'm not a lawyer, I couldn't really tell you if it was applicable or not.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can bet your arse that they didn't shout at him because it was misapplied, more that it subverted their muckraking attempt'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Yes, I'm well aware.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't have gay surveys like that when i was at school, and they knew what kind of response they'd have got if they gave them to us'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'gay surveys? To see if you're a homosexual?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alternative definition, db'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'so it was a happy survey?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a sensde'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sense*'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'yeah.... that word you keep using? It doesn't mean what you think it means.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what struck me as bizarre about it is that that kind of monitoring was a state requirement, and worse still, it was provided by an external company. Is Illinois school department that screwed?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't like how I use my language, go create your own :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Oh no, It's rather I just quite dislike bigotry.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you being bigoted now?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bigoted is a horridly overused and misused word :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people have a habit of referring to someone as bigoted on the basis that they disagree with them'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most famously, then Prime Minister Gordon Brown got caught on a live mic leaving the scene of a meet and greet calling an elderly working class woman he'd talked to (and someone who would have voted for him) a bigot'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more widely, it's a term used by the extreme left in politics to refer to anyone who is to the right of Chairman Mao'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wow the news said some nut wants to march into dc with guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'looks like england is being mean to muslims lately'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'i only hate english muslims'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'like the cure's song about killing an arab?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'i only hate english muslimsl'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'derp'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the cure was an english attemp at music'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Attempt? Man. Most N. American musical history owes itself to Britain's music scene.'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'what about the peregrins,or television?'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if rhubarb will grow in Texas.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps if I made a small climate controlled greenhouse.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, a guy I know grew 138 bell peppers from his 5 hydroponic plants so far.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ack!  seed crop failure on my fav bell peppers!'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a tomato called bloody butcher....'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not the same as the original... they pulled a "coke classic" on the seeds'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'burpee pulled them for about 3-4 years, then reintroduced them'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but they have chaaaaanged'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like zombies'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 2-3 lb heirloom tomato ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unlikely.  unless it's a prehistoric variety of some kind'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, news article today suggesting US weapons systems designs compromised by chinese cyberspies'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the chinese haven't been manufacturing all of the advanced electronics for the world for the last 10 years anyway, duhhhhh'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their kids all trained at our top universities, they do all the manufacturing, you think they could make some decent weaponary?'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I saw a news story this morning on RT that said UK is pushing through legislation that would require a photo id, and that you be 21 to buy ANY edged item... from a hatchet to a fingernail file... what's up with that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, they've been paranoid about knives for years'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also fake nails'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the british version of gun control.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you break the law inadvertently every time you leave your house here'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, student with boom microphone causes lockdown because fuckwits think it's a gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are your thoughts on EU lifting the arms embargo on Syria and Russia sending the regime anti-aircraft missiles?'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing wrong, really, with giving terror groups resources to use against us later.  It's what makes the world go 'round.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it definitly falls on the non-US side of the issue'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, i liked the hypocritical way some commentators and government plebs were decrying Russia's action, but Russia is right, it's to "deter inervention by other countries"'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's long overdue for Russia to grow some balls on the matter of Syria'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a flat-out proxy war'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Russia and the US were already intervening, perhaps other countries as well.  Just because you can't send stuff to country X doesn't mean anyone's gonna cry foul if you send it to neighboring regimes friendly to you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not being sold as that though, clearly :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i saw this about obamacare the other night and found it amusing. Dunno how true it is though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQSQlr6nb28&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'certainly one of the most forced laughs I've seen in a while... ."he... he...... .... he"'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people from kentucky can't laugh'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't have time to watch a 45 minute speach'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's from Iowa'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who, Rand?'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't get past the intoduction'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'clicked it off'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rand's bit is only like 12 minutes'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the gist of the video is that you can be refused service because you tripped over a turtle and broke your ankle.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose... as to wether it's true... that remains to be seen... just like the rest of obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Democrats mulling plans to license journalists'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'awesome, free speech is now a felony in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'HR 347, if you all don't believe me.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'money cant buy happiness, but it can buy goats!'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not donkeys?'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'money can buy people'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'did i mention i'm for sale to the highest bidder :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lol, during a robbery of a Burger King an employee sneaks out the back and steals the getaway car.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hah, reminds me of one I read in a dumb criminal stories book'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'two idiots went to rob a bank. couple blocks from the bank spotted a nice pickup, easy to hotwire. went to rob the bank, successfully did so, came back outside to find that their stolen car had been ... welll ... stolen.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the pickup's owner had spotted his car driving off, sprinted after them, seen them pull up in front of the bank, realized what was happening, waited for them to go inside and reclaimed his vehicle'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I got plenty of those.  One guy used his own stationary (with his name on it, even!) to write a holdup note.  When he gave the note to the teller, she greeted him by name and called the cops.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and two guys went into a bank in STL to rob it.  They almost got away with $150.'
T3/r7/2013-05-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'then there's the case of a robber who actually managed to successfully rob a bank AND get away with it, but he felt so guilty about it that he returned to the bank during the investigation and turned himself in.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Get ready for higher electricity costs.  175 coal-fired units are expected to retire by 2016, pulling 27 GW of capacity offline, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about "get ready for higher electricity costs because the price of stuff just goes up"'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I disagree'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I also do not hold with homosexuality, though I do recognize ones right to exist.  As long as one does not drap them selves in it and use it to define their entire existence.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT was a super miss-chan!'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess no one watches this channel anymore'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I heard everything you said.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well thank goodness... at least the channel still has life'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'and I agree with you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern cars are shit. discuss'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should Vonliege be burnt at the stake for harbouring homophobic views?'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cellphone pioneer Motorola announced Wednesday that it's opening a Texas manufacturing facility that will create 2,000 jobs and produce its new flagship device, Moto X, the first smartphone ever assembled in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, Google buys motorola mobility, and now they are moving their US cell phone manufacturing to the US....wtg Google!  A first step in moving all their manufacturing back to the US.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'it seems to be a growing trend - looks like outsourcing wasn't quite the deal the industry hoped'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'where they can pay higher wages and the world's highest corporate tax rate on selling phones to their low rate international subs?'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, Google is going with a more country of sales type manufacturing....it makes sense....it is cheaper in the long run, and easier to do RD.  Motorola phones made in South Korea are sold in Asia, phones sold in the US/Canada would be assembled in the US, and so on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it also helps that manufacturing energy costs have dropped 50% in the US in the last 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'very clever....using an adapter to allow the use of paintball co2 tanks in the sodastream machine.....$3-4 co2 refills compared to $30-60 buying the sodastream tanks.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US Dept of Agriculture announced a High Tunnel Pilot Study Program. Pending the approval of your local NRCS office the US Government may fund a high tunnel green house. Different states are providing different funding levels. The funding should allow your to purchase a maximum of one large high tunnel green house.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'wow, here in colorado, that's gonna be a real popular item.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I am putting one in at my house....going to apply for the grant to pay for some of it :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So, can states provide zero funding if they want?  Because I'm guessing a lot of states would.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why would some states not want to do it?  Promoting greenhouses to grow food is a good thing.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'lots of green initiatives that are "good things" have failed on the state level'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'at least in my part of the country'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '(the south)'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They work in Texas just fine.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The environment is for hippies! More state funding for gun collecting!'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'there's huge pushback from my state when federal govt tries to promote things like alternative fuels'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'not saying this is really the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'but still'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I support legislation allowing for permits to carry multiple concealed automatic weapons at once. It's for hunting, of course, deer travel in herds and you never know when you'll need a pair of uzis to protect yourself!'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you dont want a federal grant to help pay for a $5000 greenhouse, then dont apply for one. :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'heck, my state passed a law last year making it illegal to pass housing laws based on climate change estimates'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'for things like rising tides'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sounds like something Alabama would do.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'salad greens cost too much in the stores...and they are so easy to grow yourself.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and you dont have to worry about ecoli'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'all of my lettuces keep dying :('
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I built a 6 plant hydroponic system using a plastic tote from walmart that was on sale...the whole system cost less then $40 to build, and after a week, the lettuce plants are 4 inches tall.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kids who are traumatized over a gun-shaped poptart need a good whipping, just because.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did you hear about the Logo gun incident?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'LEGO'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably, is that like the Hitler teapot?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was last week... kid was playing with his legos on the bud ride home from school... one of the legos was a gun'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have to SERIOUSLY question the wisdom of entrusting my children to an institution is REQUIRED to utterly fail when applying judgement to the issue of guns'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah really, we are raising our children to be absolute pussies.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you realize... it is all part of a much larger plan... This whole anto-bullying campaign is a huge ruse.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the truth is that schools NEED bullies... the entire world is filled with them, and with out that aclimatization in schools, children will grow up to be completly incapable of coping.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'right about now I can see the value in bringing a knife to a gunfight.  You can just yell "Gun!" and win the fight automatically after the authorities spring into action to bring down the terrorist.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... the system wants schildren to be dependent on the school to protect them - and to sove their "bully" problem... that child , when grown, will naturally turn to the government to sove their problems'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's up with my "L" key'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'As someone who dealt with "bullying" I totally agree.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'how did you deal?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You have to learn to stand up for yourself. You can't look to others to protect you.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but what did you do.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I whooped a little ass, maybe got my ass whooped a few times:P'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sounds boring.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'VD... that's the POINT!  every situation is different, and requires different steps... that's what you have to LEARN'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i went to their house and got invited in by their parents'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is that bullies aren't looking for a fight. They are just looking to dominate another person. Once you take that away from them they back off.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'shrug. '
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i think  ullies just wanna have fun. like girls in madonna songs'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Wildkard Just wants your lunch money
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'they had just gotten new carpet so i had to take my shoes off'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and he couldnt bully people with his parents home'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'it was interesting. they had hot pockets, some kind of jello with powdered topping'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'orange jello at that... '
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if hed bullied me again after that  I wouldve just gone back :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'as pointed out each situation is different - often you find the parents of bullys are just as difficult or more then the child'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they have a lot of denial'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah i didnt notice that at all'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'denial so what. they had jello.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'and the bullies friwnds/ audience thought it was  funny id ate at his house'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'man. i miss grade school. stickers. tootsie rolls, and book orxers'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thats awesome Vampdoo'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'they just turned down my boundry exception request so my grade school son gets to look forward to metal detectors, random searches, and an institution that hades stuff so not to be seen as a troubled school'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Wildkard hides
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'his older brother gets to go to the nice school because he is grandfathered into the choice program before The Obama administration had their way with NCLB'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does your child have something to hide, Wildkard?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why not homeschool wildkard?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Why can't they just do what Texas is doing and allow teachers to conceal carry if they choose to.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'death, let em paddle kids too? teachers arent there to be enforcement'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'he will have to hide his intellegence if he goes to the district school'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wildk or do the homework forother kids'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can they pick up intelligence on a detector?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: '$$$'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'vamp - my thought is to home school, just have to talk my wife into it and she is very nervious about the idea'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I hate the "do you have something to hide?" fallicy. I guess I got to let any cop search my butthole at any time because if I oppose I must "have something to hide"'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .that was bait.  I don't hold with it either'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah, death, in my country we have a nifty 4th amendmant stops that'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'I'm more concerned about the need for all of that, plus i went to register him, the place is a giant turd'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wildkard: 'and i talked to someone who subbed there - they told me the kids are uncontrollable'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is, cops can talk uninformed citizens into giving up their forth amendment. There is no law that says that police have to tell the truth.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wildkard its a healthy sign for a democracy when people dumped in a school like that seek redress.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'death, really? how bout perjury'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'A traffic stop on the street is not a courtroom VD'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'death, rens gestae'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'A cop on the street can "say" that you have to present ID or he can "say" that you have to allow him to search your person or property. They do it all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'death, give me one example of that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'even with rens gestae. If you get scared into letting a cop search you and he finds the weed in your car. The fact that the cop was dishonest is not going to matter in court.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'An example?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'of course it will matter'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'DeathSyte - what country?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The US of course.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I mean if you consent to a search of course.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if a LEO "bullies" you into allowing a search, it is an illegal search - chances are that anything found in the sear will be inadmissable... if not.. get a better lawer'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if he lied about the circumstances, how can you believe him about the ownership of the contraband'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'A cop will try to threaten that not consenting to a search gives them "probable cause" to search without consent.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it ends up being you against him... witness are always handy'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That is the beauty of filming every encounter with police.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'a popular tool is to dial 911 during te encounter and let them record it'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Never heard that one before...'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I suppose that would work though'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'if someone threatens me, i feel threatened.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'None of this is a problem for me so far.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'also, why not just avoid having weed in the car'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the best way to be free of the law is to obey it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right VD, I pretty much never have weed in my car and I certainly never smoke it in a car.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'so, basically, you just dont like cops.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But I have stopped a cop from finding it by not consenting to a search once. Because it is my right.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was just typing a comment about that - guy complains about metal detectors and a crappy school... AND complains about having pot foind in his car... glad you clarified that =)'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'death, a simpler method.... its not my car, im just a  passenger'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather quickly disproven with the registration... then you ARE in crap... lying IS proboble cause'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I hate the state of law enforcement in this country. I don't hate cops on a personal level unless a particular cop makes me feel that way.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, registration isnt important without positive id. also, registration doesnt prove ownership, or that you drove it. ie designated driver night'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Cops are trained to be bloodthirsty law bullies and treat everyone like a criminal/terrorist. '
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn i like the sound of that.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ok, where do i enlist. i want blood'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So even if you are a good person who is a cop. Everything about your training is trying to make you an asshole.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'QP's are too easy to get now-a-days.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'On average, Sheriffs are always far more tollerable than city cops.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'sherrifs are louder.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'girl texting me. bbl'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Sherrifs tend to use discrecion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'drinking too much coffee is now a mental disorder.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Of course it is, lots of things are going to be a mental disorder. Then they can take more Californians guns away.'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can we just take the Californians away instead?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Where do they go?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay! Syria now has russian anti-aircraft missiles'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pwn those bloody jews'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.naturalnews.com/036611_James_Stewart_Bounty_Hunters_Ventura_county.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, wrong url'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6rFEFG0yicI'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police fighting firefighters in Spain'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But why?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6rFEFG0yicI calling for a probe into the murder of Ibragin Todashev by the FBI in his own home'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the one in Spain. It looks like the firefighters are having some sort of protest?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'anyone  got an opinion of domainsbyproxy , or their ethical greyness?'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'mmnmk. guess ill ask again when rizgoth is awake'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'hmmn ive actually been to their parking lot... my insurance agent was cat a corner'
T3/r7/2013-05-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'buuut, they seem to shield scammers, not just nice people... so i dunno'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'is transdnieper still a country?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i wonder if news will break of an attack on the russian depot of s300s that they were thinkin of givin syria'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I think they should give them a depot of s2000s instead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Sports cars for everyone!'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'porsch eh nine one one ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'man the dictator had some laughs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wfJDyxoOso  - the citizen's guide to surviving police encounters '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'peak oil is going to destroy us this year!  oops..found 125 billion barrels of new oil off Brazil's coast....sorry, will try again next year!'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'plus uruguay takes the cup'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'Martian Manhunter Vs Rand al'Thor after the bore is sealed meat in a dark alley who wins?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'rand. he weaves fire'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'rand cant channel after the bore is sealed but can change reality with a thought'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to replace it would cost around $12 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you'll need to define a pronoun for me to have a chance in hell of guessing at what you mean, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even without oil, things wouldnt be hopeless....we can create tons of oil from algae, and plastics also.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as long as humans walk the earth, they will require energy.. as long as humans require energy, industry will provide it.  what ever'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but we can find more efficient ways of doing things http://liquidr.com/technology/wave-glider.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nice boat - this is efficiency as well:  http://www.manbeerlove.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/thomas-edison-beer-helmet.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'IC1011....the largest galaxy ever discovered.....about 6 million light years across......'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Researchers at the Ohio State University have discovered a new process that takes the energy from coal without burning it -- and removes virtually all of the pollution.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose I can play....  burn the coal.. call me when I can get the burn-free coal for 1/10 the priced of burning coal'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a new blond haired monkey has been found in the Congo.....must have barbie dna.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wonder if you could roast the blond monkey over the 'burn-less' coal?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps, but wood would probably be wooder, er better.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal use to produce electricity is dropping, but residential use to make hot water and heat, is growing....10% growth in 2010.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, $4 for a 40 lb bag of wood pellets.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, smart clothing is cool.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont bother getting sick in the future, or needing help of any kind...only the platinum class will get the care that allows them to survive a 30 foot fall, or other life threatening accidents, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Mayor Bloomberg hadn't convinced you already that he was a complete fuckwit, then he'll certainly convince you after this: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/22469246/bloomberg-medical-marijuana-a-hoax'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is this like a problem solving flowchart?  "Mayor Bloomberb is a F*wit"... True, proceed to end.  False, watch the video.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if you think he is already or not'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and more oregon being shit: http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/05/30/military-vet-faces-charges-for-firing-warning-shot-at-suspect-trying-to-break-into-home/'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you don't need telling this, VL, but there are still some idiots out there who doubt it: http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/05/30/rate-shock-in-california-obamacare-to-increase-individual-insurance-premiums-by-64-146/'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's 64-146%, not $64-$146'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if '''
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone ever hear of magnegas ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, riz'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It's what comes out of my butt after eating burritos while reading a magazine'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funny mood today, VL?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some kook decided to call his process of using an arc welder on sewage to create a new form of matter called magnegas :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'isnt it basically electrolysis, except highly inefficient ?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'almost all legislators or elected officials privately admit that obamacare is a failure, is unworkable, or at the very least, will cost more than it should... the trouble is that too many of them are tracked into the rut, and have to back it till the bitter end... even if it ruins the country'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes. it is'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he says the new matter is carbon, hydrogen and oxygen.....hello, that magnegas is hydrogen!'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar method used for generating hydrogren gas for h2 fuel cars, though they do it using solar energy'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and so it continues: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/29/Obama-To-Sign-International-Gun-Control-Treaty-On-June-3rd'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger thats old news. check out the new worm in the united  nations vita tool'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got a link for me?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'the tool or the worm?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news story will do'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'ah, dunno if it is in the news yet. ive been ircing :-('
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the UN vita tool?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its a language script to comfort human traffic victims and get simple answers'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so how does a worm get into it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'runs on windows. free download for law enforcement agencies and first responders  worldw ui de'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'dont ask me. im not a programmer. im just a vampire.. with sunglasses and a hawaiian shirt'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what you are intonating, is that it is REALLY a clever method of data-mining?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just wondering why anyone would bother, not like it'd give them sensitive data'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, in a sense, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose if it's a proper worm, it can venture out into other areas of an agencies system'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best it could do it keylogging'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'california senate approves background checks for ammunition purchases'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time for californians to start making their own ammo'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'straw purchasers vs background checks. who wins.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the prison industrial complex'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'think I will go fill up my car with magnegas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'fill my car up instead.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'VD.... use granular sugar.. it REALLY makes the car go!'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'think makers mark in my fuel tank would hurt my engine?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to the SCRAP HEAP!'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your car has bullet holes, it will leak.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, its cube sugar that wrecks a tank'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'funny story bout a clown from blue rapids kansas.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sugar's sugar when it comes to wrecking a car engine'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'not true. he dumped 3 cups of granulated white sugar into m buick.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'never any engine problems.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NASCAR is switching to 100% ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'had it checked by the dealership, they assured me cube sugars the bad kind'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'got free donuts at the dealership.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'aldehyde mothballs wreck a fuel system too.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz, ethanol sounds flammable'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but id love to run on an ethanol kit.  you find me one i can afford?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can run ethanol at 20% in any car...just replace the soft rubbers with hard.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'uh. i dont see any rubbers'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shame your parents didn't either.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'its carbeurated yo'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'majic, how to tell if a trollop is minty or not'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lick it and see'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k. but what will your husband say'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all new cars can do 15% ethanol now, and some that are multifuel can do up to 80%'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz, mine is 79 model. not new'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all gasoline sold in the US is now at least 5% ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i know someone selling a cummins diesel multifuel, but its outta my price range'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can run straight vegetable oil in a diesel.....diesels rock.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz, are you there? or just copypasting like druzil?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all diesels '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, except for VW diesels. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've burned vegetable oil in a jet-turbine engine before'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, welcome to the nofly lost'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'lols. '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mercedes and VW diesels use that new urine stuff to reduce emissions.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was an emergency'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz what can i do to my car so it can use ethanol?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'truth is.. a jet turbine engine will burn near about ANYTHING heavier than #2 diesel'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and just short of raw crude'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'von, what about tar'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's be beyond crude'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using veg oil in diesels depends on the type of injectors'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it isn't solely a brand thing'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet a jet engine could run on straight texas sweet crude.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger. no injector. carbeurated'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the orange kind.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can even "stretch" a lighter fuel with waste oil if it's a REAL emergency, but at some point, you need to accept that when you're done, the tax payers are going to have to buy you a new engine'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably fine then'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'know someone whose used hydraulic oil, heating oil, all sorts in his diesel box van'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'or an overhaul'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a general rule though, modern computer controlled diesels won't like it'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'diesel box vans are great.....turn em into mobile apartments.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger mines not a diesel though. its regular'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then use petrol :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz yeah like a rolling metal coffin'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger petrol, not ethanol?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gasoline is the toxic waste of the oil business.....rockefeller used to dump it in the rivers at his refineries to get rid of it since there was no use for it, and it was highly flammable.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'riz... so... my car?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go buy new rubber hoses to replace your old ones, and then fill up with ethanol....simple solution.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, don't use ethanol :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll fuck you car up with ethanol'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and make sure your gas tank is clean.....'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why not keep the old hoses?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you will clean your gas filters every day for a week if you switch to straight ethanol.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'wont the ethanol clean the tank for me?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ethanol will eat all the rubber hoses and seals'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i dont have a filter.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably do'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most cars have 2-3 of them'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'but the hoses are coated to resist such things?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not if your car was made before 1995ish'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger, where do i find rubber seals on my nova'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea, guv, second hand knowledge'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'tiger  the hoses are newer :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consult your local friend classic car expert'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'i did. they want me to sell the car to them'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'surprised they are willing to pay for it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'why, your mom does'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just saw an advert on tv for women protection against pissing themselves. what a strange world'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even though only platinum insurance buyers get this treatment.....the show is pretty cool on the future of medicine in 2057.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like using the 3d printer to print new organs.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a doctor in Sweden is doing research on creating new heart valves grown from the cells of patients.....his research is making great strides....he can grow a valve, and it works.....it is estimated that the new medical technology will be available for human trials in 10 years.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it takes about 3 weeks to grow the valve.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe, your insurance rating in 2057 is based on how you treat your body.  If you drink alcohol, you lose pts, if you smoke, etc, eat too much salt, or not exercise enough, etc on and on.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neurotechnology is advancing quickly.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'socialism is advancing quickly'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'robotic surgery would be impressive though.....a surgeon would do the procedure in a holo projection while the computer controlled robots do the actual surgery.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Germany, at the univ hospital in Berlin, researchers are developing a computer aided surgical robot, so far it has worked well on animals.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been using surgical robots here for a while now'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not talking about lapriscopic surgery'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'one word... SKYNET'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the future, microscopic robots will be doing surgery without even needing to open up the body.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or asking for permision'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, we would never ask your permission :)  You are our test animal.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the drinking water will be filled with surgical and diagnostic nano bots... once they decide that you are bout to have a real bad case of 'fill-in-the-blank', and will cost the social medicine system a butt-ton of $$$$... they will just have a chat with the computer controlled traffic lights on your route to work, and BAM!  Fatal traffic accident.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are simpler ways to do that.....just change the protein structure of food in your replicator.....and your digestive system causes a fatal attack.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'car accidents are too expensive. :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'car crashed make a better mivie script'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, in 50 years we are using flying cars....no traffic lights.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '50 years time we'll all be dead from the bioplagues'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aside from a handful of the illuminati'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yup. because that makes perfect fucking sense'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... fine... the nanobots talk to the overhead satallites, and make one if them crash on you while you're walking your dog in the park'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 2057 when you take a shit...your toilet will analyze your poop for abnormalities in your body...and send the info to your doctor.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'assuming there are still dogs in 50 years... and we won't have had to eat them all during the great famin of 2028'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that you guys will have trouble exporting wheat this year?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been declared contaminated, no-one in the EU or Japan will buy it, and they're suggesting other countries might do the same'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they say that every year.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually happening this year. Japan just torched several tons'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, we dont export wheat to japan or the eu.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hungary torched 300 hectares that was contaminated with montsanto seed'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just sayin :-)'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tharnin: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/business/global/japan-suspends-some-imports-of-us-wheat.html?ref=business&_r=5&'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure makes tasty bread.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess they ought to have engineered their OWN f-ing seed'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly....if you are going to whine about the food...grow your own damn food.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'jeez... ya try to feed the world, and they BITCH because the textures a bit off'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bitch because it poisons them and the ecosystem, more like'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and there is no proof of that anywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because your food standards and pollution agencies are bought off by corporate interest'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then who's complaining?  they're all dead, right?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's tons of proof'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prove the proof.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proof is axiomatic'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop being shit and just boot them out already'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone complains about the food, until famine comes and they die...then they shut the hell up.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go import wheat from China if you dont like ours.....chances are chinese wheat is much worse.  Oh thats right, china doesnt export food...they have to import it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know... the planets population is kinda like closet space... when you clean out the closet, it doesn't take long before you have it full of new or different crap... as long as we come up with better ways to prodice more food with less realestate... the planets population is just going to keep growing... and it will grow JUST beyond what the planet can support.  No matter HOW good your hydro ponics are, no matter how many orbital hydroponic stations you have, and no matter how many tons of sea algee you can farm... the population will always expand beyond what you can support.  More food IS NOT the answer to world hunger... no more than "More Taxes" is the answer to the USA's debt.  Less spending is the answer... and less people is the solution to world hunger.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'fight poverty and population increase can stagnate. Perhaps in the future the population can even be reduced without starvation.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has the planets population ever stagnated?  aside from a plague or two, that is?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we've always had poverty and a situation where large familiy size will increase the chances of anyone surviving'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the difference being... the large family ended up being 2-3 kids... because of disease and starvations... NOW... we will feed and cloth as many kids as you want to crap out'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Vonliege, look at this video: http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_shows_the_best_stats_you_ve_ever_seen.html'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'k'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't see anything in there that pointed to "prosperity LEADS to smaller families"... I saw where already-prospersous places have smaller families, but that when prosperty comes to a formerly "poor" place, the famility sizes do not scrink accordingly.  they stay large.... it was entertaining, though'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'poverity and high child mortality has a strong correlation just like wealth and low mortality. Large family size is strongly correlated to high child mortality.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... I saw that.  But... once a demographic moves out of poverty, their family size does not shrink'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it stays large'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Well, as long as each woman get 1-2 children the population increase will come to a halt.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually, in the first example, it DID move over to the 'lower family size' side of the graph, but the population bubble (the size of the circle) didn't shrink... that does not compute'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Swedes are a bit braindead'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tiger, very smart comment.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it is totally reasonable for the population to keep growing even while the family size is shrinking'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fellow is certainly entertaining... but I did see him using quite a bit of "statistical slieght of hand"... for example, if you have a data range that goes from 1 to 100, and most of the data is in the 50 area, the chart you show only uses a data range of 49 to 51... makes for much more dramatic contrast.  he used that in almost every slide'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even if the family size drops below replacement, population may grow for a bit due to the fact that there are more young people than old people. '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and higher survival'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'aye'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and quite often lower infant mortality goes along with lower elder mortality, so you have old people dying later as well'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the answer then, using  Hans' data models, is to stop supporting the poor places and let the "large family size" preform it's function.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is your purpose for doing that?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eh, no?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'IF poor families have more children to ensure survival, giving them free food will not let the "large familiy" have the desired effect... giving them food will interfere with the whole point of having a large familiy.  '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with that to a certain extent, but i don't agree with giving food aid'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless there is one-off emergencies'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Another thing that reduces family size is education and job opportunities for women'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'i.e. if she can do something more helpful to the family than popping out kids -- if she has a job -- she has fewer children overall.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'emergencies are a completely different matter.. you have to help in time of need... but not when the "time of need" spans decades.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and spans generation after generation, like it does with the American welfare model'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'also quite a lot in favor of charities that improve local subsistence agriculture in a sustainable way -- for example, spreading improved roosters around a country to improve the local poultry flocks. '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, not as bad as teh UK model'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'NOT, on the other hand, in favor of giving tractors and machines which require input (like gasoline) and spare parts which people are unable to manufacture -- that just makes them dependent on us in a different way.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not giving them patented self-terminating seeds?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yeah, fuck monsanto and their bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they need improved seeds that they can re-seed themselves to try to get them more independent, not something we need to keep supplying'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts -)
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that TED talk was interesting, but doesn't solve anything'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It gives some ideas how to approach the problems we have in the world related to overpopulation for instance.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tells us where we are and how we got there, enlightening maybe, predictive no'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we can't learn anything from history you mean?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what i said'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. .that's not what he said at all... debate penalty'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need to stop paying people to have kids, make adoption trendy, and stop penalising people for being single'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need to make large families untrendy so that the braindead liberals have smaller family sizes'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TN, while I concure... how do you export that sentiment to the corners of the countries that need to hear (and adhere) it?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, glass parking lot?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you can do is deal with it on a country by country basis and isolate countries who go mad'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i,e a limited form of isolationism'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've avoided the "political" angle here, because I didn't want to cloud the larger issue of "world hunger"... but let's zoom in on the USA where we have generational welfare and poverty... and also, where I might add, being in poverty doesn't really mean much - you're not going to starve to death.........'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, a lot of it is culture - you have a culture of welfare and view having kids as a "right"'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather, having kids and having them paid for as a right'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you also have massive immigration'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Should we not have the right to have children?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you dispensed with the immigration, chances are even with little else going on, your population would stabilise. In the UK if it weren't for immigration, our population would have been largely stable o th e last 30 years'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, DS'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't have the right to make everyone else pay for your excess though'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'In the USA, there is no insentive for the plitical machine to reduece large families, because that equals more voters down the road - if people on welfare out-breed people who make there own way, the trajectory is inevitable - the person who promises the handout will always win'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the socialism takeover model, vl, why do you think obama wants to legalise 30m illegal mexicans?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'worked well in the UK too'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But we don't have the right to healthcare and social saftey nets like Social Security and foodstamps/welfare. I agree that those things are not rights, but we do have those programs and we have them for many reasons ranging from good to despicable.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're privaledges, DS'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given by a caring society'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to the answer of "do you have the right to have children?", I will answer - No... if you can not support yourself, you "should not" (but do ) have the right to create more welfare dependet children.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to see those programs localised'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'semantics, vl'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference between what i said and what you said is 0 in practices, just yours can be put in a negative light more easily'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I have been hearing a lot of people saying that we have a "right" to healthcare refering to Obamacares plan of forcing us to have health insurance. Many liberals are just taking things that they want and then slapping the word "right" after it.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the woman i saw on youtube news clip - 15 kids on news telling the people "someone needs to pay for my kids"'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yah, it's on it's head'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a natural result of big government, we've had national healthcare here since 1945. As people pay their taxes, they now feel they have a 'right' to the healthcare, which is an issue, because even if they haven't paid in, they still think it a right'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a big issue now it's being rationed based on cost, people (me included) feel rightly agrieved that i can't get healthcare that i've paid for'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the original american model was better, with individual doctors and communities providing care to those who couldn't afford it'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was charity and altruism, not a right'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is I have been paying in and I don't have an insurance plan myself. That will change of course as it is not my choice anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Death panels.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are a natural end point of socialised healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know the answer, but on health you're far better off with the old model'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with population reduction, isolationism is the only thing that works'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unless you want to get into the horrid realm of forced abortion, maximum family limits, or bioweapon release/glass parking lots'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i support freedom, i don't like any of those ideas'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it will start as simply as the case of Angelina Jolie.... she had the gene for a really bad breast cancer - 85% chance that she would get it... so she CHOSE to have her boobs lopped off.  In a socilised model, it will not BE your choice... you WILL have your boobs lopped off.  Period.  If you don't you will be personally financially liable for your medical bill when you get the cancer.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'that's still a choice'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if early pre-natle testing indicates that you have an abnoral pregnacy - you WILL abort the unborn child, or shoulder the entire cost of child birth and care.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'A tornado depends on a pretty complex set of conditions to form, and to continue to exist... I think a proper city would cause too much of an upset to the air currents for it to sustain.. I think It would come apart as soon as it hit a big down town... there'd be damage, but only on the edges of town'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do the rest of you think?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'don't know what to think'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Downtown atlanta got hit pretty hard a few years ago'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya it did.. forgot abotu that, and I was there... busted out alot of windows, but no structural damage to speak of... not to big structures anyway'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Atlanta_tornado_outbreak'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that one building had about 1/3 of its windows blown out... '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'yeah, it was a whole bunch of little ones.  don't think there were really any massive ones'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a cluster'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe we'll see what happens in a few minutes... wouldn't want to be there, though'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'these things really sucks. cant do anything...'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the media started naming winter storms this year... maybe they should name tornadoes'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ooops.... people fleeing OKC have turned the interstate into a parking lot... directly in the path of the tornado'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the want a new car?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm. lose a car, gain a cow'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'last year we had a weird rain. lasted for 5 minutes and flooded the streets. never ever seen this before.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'wasnt like shower but more like waterfall'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Like someone just dumped a huge bucked of water on your city? lol'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the last full size robotic vehicle race.....5 out of 23 vehicles finished the race without human help.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Riz, that's pretty impresive'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, and it took years for honda researchers to be able to get their robot asimo to walk....apparently it is quite hard to walk  :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Yeah, making rolling robots is cake, its the balancing on two legs is whats a beast.... lots of calculations going on there'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly....bigtime math...something our brains do extremely well.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'anyone won the X-piraze yet?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'asimo can even walk up and down stairs now'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'X-prize* typing while eating seems beyond my skills atm.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Now if only honda could make rizgoth a robot donkey'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'adaptive robots is just around the corner....then everything will change....'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'honda researchers programmed asimo with 4 options on how to do something....and based on the visual cues the robot sees, it makes its own decision on how to do the request asked, such as taking a bottle from a moving hand.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Training the robots how to steal now I see'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol just checked out the asimo web page thats pretty crazy'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Asimo has come a long way'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I would like to have a conversation with a robot'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Without predetermined responses'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'next thing ya know youll be able to send one of those robots to work with you'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'err worf for you'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the asimo robot has come a long way...slowly...but the technology is advancing fast.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I want a robot to be able to build buildings just by looking at an architect's blueprints'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'make an asimo dog walker :P'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'I'm sure we'll get some robot helpers at work eventually, but just like any new technology we get... it will be kept under lock and key so we don't damage it'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a whole new industry of robotic maintenance'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'robots to stock self at store during the night act as cashier durring the day '
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Only a matter of time until robots are capable of more than the human brain'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'next step is to train asimo version 1.0 to crate version 2.0'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the new asimo can run 3.7 mph on a track.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'um in some aspects they allready are'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is 3.7mph = 9 kph?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'In some aspects, they are, but not totally'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, unless we figure out a better battery....the chances of autonomic robots is not likely....asimo has to be recharged every hour. :p'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how long does it take to charge asimo'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just have stationary tasks and mobile tasks for the robots so they can take turns'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have to keep them plugged into power'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Wireless charging maybe depending on the application?'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep like for cashies and stockers ... cashiers charge  and then switch with stockers'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'advances in wireless power would help though.  We could replace all those border guards with asimos....*stare*'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'You could.... but like I said, we wouldn't use them because they're afraid they might get dirty or broken'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or if there is a way for the battery to be snapped out and replaced...'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US Military version....waterproof, dust proof, and strong :)'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you could have a pair of asimos that do batery swapping'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Would there be a robot to do the battery replacing!'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or we could just use human controlled robots to do things, like the unmanned aircraft we use now.'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'UAVs are incredibly useful at work'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so what about Wave Glider'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'those things seem pretty cool too'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'unmanned voyage across the pacific ocean using nothing but wave power for propulsion and solar to run its data sensors'
T3/r7/2013-05-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well i thought the Wave Glider was pretty awsome'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep i killed the chan :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a wave glider catching fish in my pond.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Mmmmm canned wave gliders'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cheap efficient solar power is the holy grail of energy.....which is why energy companies and govts spend millions on its research each year, but what we need is a major breakthrough in efficiency for solar to be par with normal forms of energy production.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Queen Bee Noegel: 'Whichever company discovers that or a feasible means of fusion power will be very rich indeed'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chances are it will be Germany that discovers it....they spend the most money on solar power research, and 70% of the solar panels are tested in Germany at the largest solar power research center in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and why would you need oun to catch fish out of a pong'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'pond'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'quantum dot technology is being utilized in the german solar power center to create nanocrystalline cells that harness all the light in the spectrum....increasing solar panel efficiency from the current 14% to 75% or higher.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep yep'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'real men have solar panels at 110% efficiency'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an 80% efficiency solar panel would be revolutionary.....the energy production industry would change overnight from depending on hydrocarbons to clean dependable solar power'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'will take a while for the switch still'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an 80% efficient solar panel could also solve the power issues for the space elevator :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol a space elevator that would be a major feat'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i wonder how many square miles the base of it would need to be'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about the size of an oil rig in the pacific ocean.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'carbon nanotube technology for the tether.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and its going to extend what like 1200 miles up'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'seems a little more feasible to make a huge magnetic gun to launch stuff'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, using a laser to power the elevator on the carbon nano tube tether makes more sense.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a high efficiency array of solar panels to collect the laser light is a damn fine idea.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could go from earth surface to orbit in 30 minutes, and carry lots of weight.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '30 min inorder to go ove 1200 miles'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'means you have to accelerate to over 2400 mile per hr ... im a bit lazy to do that calculation'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aprox 38000 km altitude.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '36k rather'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea low orbit is like 1200 miles'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'imagine a laser based internet system of zepplins floating around the planet....hundreds of them, if not more...using lasers to transfer information.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'make sure that you crew the zepps with non-smokers...'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unmanned zepps :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'They took our jobs!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lake chad in africa is almost gone.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, flying from Europe to Australia in under 4 hours.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, 2090, West Antarctica starts to be habitated, with the building of new international cities since most of the ice has melted.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'Hi guys, "I read twelfth grade" ,what does that mean ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'can anybody tell me'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'whoever wrote that didnt pass grade 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I want to know what the meaning of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh yes....the new MRE's have slim jims with caffeine infused in them.....beef with a buzz!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ask the person wh wrote it and it probably means 12th grade like in matric or ending with school '
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'oh, thank you'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one meat stick has the same caffeine as 1 cup of coffee....and the MRE's come with 4 of them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'soldiers will soon all be killed by taking too much caffeine'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Yeah so the ones who survive war can look forward to a life of PTSD and diet related illness.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nothing beat spam as a war staple :>'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'Selling many SH cloaks, portals and  equipment (incl raided), check out: http://bit.ly/SHskins.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an updated estimate as of 5/2013: The U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) has estimated the Eagle Ford - Texas field has recoverable reserves at aprox 10 billion barrels of oil.  That is 2x higher than the bakken shale in north dakota.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Underneath the groves that make southern Italy the worlds second-largest olive oil producer, geologists have found Europes biggest onshore crude oil field.  An estimated 1 billion barrels of recoverable oil.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think people should have to pay more if they fly on airplanes with their young children.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Valkyrie Sammael: 'I disagree. Children should be rated by annoyance first.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Valkyrie Sammael: 'The more annoying your kid is, the more you pay.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Valkyrie Sammael: 'If they are annoying little plebs then throw them in the blender with the rest of them'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it should be retroactive....if you buy a ticket, and your kid is a terror on the plane....you get charged 5x the going rate. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the cline shale in west texas looks promising for new oil reserves.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The sun has enough fuel for several billion years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'come up with a high efficiency solar panel :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Has anyone done anything with thorium yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'there was some hype a while back'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't even care about efficiency, just cost'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Solar PV is a commercially viable technology, it's just limited in which energy usage it can replace.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'efficiency isn't all that critical when the "fuel" is free and unlimited...you can't exactly "waste" sunlight'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'efficiency matters as much as cost, utilizing most of the light from the sun would be a major breakthrough in power generation from the sun.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it doesn't, riz, not even close'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not only that, but it would make certain things feasible.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hunting down every source of oil on the planet seems like a waste of time to me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont tell the germans that efficiency is not important...they are spending tens of millions each year on its research, and they are making breakthroughs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course efficiency matters, but only as far as how it affects cost. If you include all costs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'someone spending money on something doesn't make it important'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't impact solar viability in the least, so it's not important'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, not that hard to hunt down shale oil...it seems to be almost everywhere....they even found a billion barrel deposit under southern italy, under the olive gardens.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for terrestrial uses, that is'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A billion barrels is nothing, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is to italy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will double their production.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nothing times 2 is nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they produce about 110,000 barrels of oil per day right now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there ARE uses for higher efficiency in space, but for down here, the only thing preventing solar from being a bigger force is production cost, efficiency plays no part'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for local use.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, if efficiency is 0.000001% or 15% makes a difference. But 15 or 20% makes less of a difference.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'riz: do you assume oil is an efficent energy source?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Abe. You know I adore you, but aren't those kinds of different words for the same problem? High production costs create a poor return on investment given current effeciency levels? It's not that the effeciency is poor, it's that it simply doesn't match the investment.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, it's an unlimited and free fuel...0.000001% of a zero-cost fuel is still 100% cost efficiency'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's not zero cost though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuthbert: no'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the fuel cost is, ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert blinks innocently at you. 
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but I care about the system, not one component.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and what if prices stayed the same, but efficiency was doubled?  wouldnt that be reducing the cost per watt ? :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'besides the cost and energy lost in the extration of crude oil and the refinement process when you burn oil its not very efficent process'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If all you want is free solar power, go outside.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But if you want to use that power for something, there are other costs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'high end solar panels are around 14% efficient right now'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but 14% is not efficient enough to build something like a space elevator. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, if you could get a solar panel which had 1% conversion efficiency but which cost pennies to manufacture on a reasonable scale, it would be absolutely pervasive and a huge success'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure it is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '1% is efficient enough to build a space elevator'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure?  the size of the array would be HUGE'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't need efficiency, you just soak up more sun'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'At that efficiency, we could fuel all of our energy needs with just a tiny fraction of the earth having solar panels.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the space elevator doesnt use sunlight to fuel the elevator, it uses a laser on earth to shine on the solar panels'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you highly underestimate the amount of power being given off (and the current arrangement of arrays is simply wrong :P)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a highly concentrated laser'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and a space elevator isn't going to happen in your grandkids lifetime, so it's truly not worth discussing in a discussion on energy sources'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a NASA engineer has already proven his ideas, it just costs too much to build right now, and carbon nanotubes are not quite ready for use.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, solar panels in space sending power to the earth using laser or microwave would be cool, and efficient, but that's game B.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For now, we have to stick with what we have to replace fossiles, like PV, wind, hydro and nuclear.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the idea is to have dozens if not hundreds or thousands of the elevators...you cant have huge solar arrays powering them, it would reduce the number of elevators.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would you need so many elevators?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'high efficient solar panels would remove the need for huge arrays.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont ask me, ask the future people 100 years from now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, so you are just making random statements?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the idea is that getting into orbit would be so easy and plentiful that colonizing the solar system would be easy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure.... still don't see any connection with solar panel efficiency.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'based on research of a NASA engineer who came up with this version of the space elevator.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, with a high efficiency solar panel, it can absorb more of the laser's power and propel the elevator faster and easier.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Idk what's going on'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I'm interested though, what's going on in energy that might help to make energy more plentiful in the near future?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can make multicolor panels that have really high efficiency. They are much more expensive, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, with a laser, you don't need that....'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You get high efficiency automatically.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As long as you have efficient cooling.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and with higher efficiency panels, you can use a smaller array to power the elevator. :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. But that's the easy problem to solve.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, nanotubes is the big one atm.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we can make them, but they are extremely expensive.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We won't build a elevator until long after we have used up the last drop of oil on the planet.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, but how long will we survive after using up the last drop of oil on the planet?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'When will we use up the last drop of oil?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we will never run out of 'oil', oil can be made from any carbon source.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the issue is that we cannot build any of these things without having oil...it's more than just a fuel'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algae oil is promising.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Meh running with the sense of things, he meant oil as in primary oil'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i could have sworn nano tubes are cheaper to produce than titanimum is to mine and refine'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Oh that's different, algae oil is primary oil too I guess'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Or it could be'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, last prediction I saw was that we have 38 years of oil left at current usage. Of course, in time we will have to slow down usage, because production will not be able to keep up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Problem with algae is the low efficiency of photosynthesis.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'true, but it can be tweaked'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I've seen some promising research into improving the efficiency, but it's still pretty bad compared to solar PV. So, if space is at a premium, that might be a problem.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and oil production is quite high now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algae is alot more efficient compared to corn or sugarcane though :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe you could phase shift sunlight into proper wavelengths so that more could be utilized by plants...'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Single layer photovoltaic using existing technology has a theoretical maximum efficiency of about 32% while photosynthesis has a theoretical maximum of about 5%'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has 10 known shale deposits of oil doing down to around 10,000 feet...but the shale rock is almost 50,000 feet deep in most of Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to compare, the shale rock depth on the east coast of the US is only about 3000 feet'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Guess having a shallow sea covering Texas a few hundred million years ago was a good thing.....all that sediment from the north covering up the lifeforms of the sea.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'about to post nearest thing i can find to disputed quote going on in QnA'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'ooh that's chancy'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'go on'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: '[01 Jun 12:35:50] Abelinc answers 'it doesn't disappear when you're not SH''
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: '[01 Jun 12:38:04] Skystar answers 'instincts dont help if its in a 189 spell and you low lvl ,kind of cant help at the time''
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: '[01 Jun 12:40:20] Abelinc answers 'however, instincts in dodge, enhanced damage, dual wield, second attack, third attack, fourth attack will all help a level 1 T9 kill differently than another level 1 T9, which was the question''
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'yeah clearly a misread'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'abel is so clear on concepts that people with prior misconceptions often get pwnd cause he states things so quick'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'not that its a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'now lets hope if they still have to argue it out they will bring it here where it belongs'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, sky's ignoring me now...of course that doesn't prevent me from correcting his blatantly-wrong statements on q/a }:>'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Cline Shale is about 140 miles long, 70 miles wide, and 200-550 feet thick stretching through the Permian Basin in West Texas and southward.  Test wells are exceeding expectations and indicate the shale could contain 3.6 million barrels of recoverable oil per square mile or as much as 30 billion barrels in total.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas oil production has doubled since 2005 and the Texas Railroad Commissioner is on record with an estimate that it could double again by 2016 and triple by the early 2020s.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'and it still wouldn't be enough'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Man. You really love talking about oil. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil rules :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, he loves talking about natgas and coal as well'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'his heart pumps 40 weight through his veins.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and wind power :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's heavily invested in the energy industry'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'an have crappy solar PV is atm'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lots of wind farms when I visit family in western new york'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'funny i've never heard him mention thermal solar power'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gotta love the pump'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love thermal solar power.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have thermal solar on my roof, it provides up to 89% of my hot water right now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no need to mention the beans, Randal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I love wind....Texas is the leading state in wind now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I get 1000 kwh of my power from wind each month.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'oil has had a slow past 12 months'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'frack it all!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'comodoties in general have been getting beat'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'on a strong USD surprisingly'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'I guess no one minds that their devaluing the shit out of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas is really cheap right now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and gold is dropping nicely'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silver is the only one that matters.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i finally got a silver eagle :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, love those silver eagles.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gold matters too ...'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silver maple leafs are nice also.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea i want a panda '
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'collecting gold and silver seems pretty futile in my opinion'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'unless it is a hobby'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'naw its good just go small over a very long time period'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'or you buy enough to cause the price to jump and cash out'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont produce enough silver to warrant a large increase in purchases of silver.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you invest in them to have cash flow, not growth.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'eventually the price of silver will start going back up to $50+'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'as industry uses more and more.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'i bet it gets down to 8 before it goes up to 50'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gold just does not earn a % return'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no dividends'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i didn't know there were many uses for silver that gold didn't function better in industry'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'does not produce any thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now is the perfect time to buy silver as it drops.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are over 5000 industrial uses for silver'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for electronics, not that many uses for gold.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gold on visors uses in space'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not exactly a growth industry :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Gold also helps board trophy wives ala Real Housewives feel better about their wasted potential as human beings, too.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'er... bored.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol yea i know like 1 ounce and youll be able to produce alot of visors'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty soon, microscopic pieces of silver will be woven into your clothes'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why silver?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has antifungal/antibacterial/antiviral properties.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'it has alot of uses mainly for cunductivy curosion resistance relectivity and shield from radaition and those are just the uses for standard gold the isotopes get really weird'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it the only metal?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, but it is the best apparently'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no gold has those properties as well'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'especially the higher atomic weight isotopes used in engineering'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they won't be wasting gold on clothing, though, as long as it costs a couple grand an ounce.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not when you can add $1 of gold to cell phones, and make more profit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, they're gonna make cellphones out of concrete.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most silver comes from mines as a byproduct of the mine extracting something else....'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like copper'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or zinc'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so if zinc or copper prices fall, silver production drops quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and demand for silver is much higher than production.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm supply normally does equal demand tho'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, in the case of precious minerals.....recycling makes a big dent in supply :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'recycling of silver jewelry is about 25% of the supply, with production in mines at just over 50%'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the rest is provided for people selling bullion, and govts selling also.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'dont forget platinum and palladium'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the idea of investing long term in "percious metals" is folly to begin with just look back to history'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh, back in history...the economy was paid in gold and silver :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the price of aluminum used to be 2 to 3 times the price of gold and now we wrap our leftovers in the stuff'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, aluminum is not a rare metal like gold and silver, and modern refining methods reduced the price quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, back then it was paid in a pen-and-pencil version of credit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'parallels can be draw with many other metals/gems'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Aluminium is the third most abundant element (after oxygen and silicon), and the most abundant metal, in the Earth's crust.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and aluminum used to be one of the rares metals we knew about it wasn't until we found new ways of mining it and new locations that dropped the price'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'moving precious metals around was a huge pain in the ass'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gold did quite well from 2003 - 2012'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love aluminum....have a boat made out of it....'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still waiting for transparent aluminum though......'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the point being what we think we know now is most likely wrong what would happen to the price of diamonds if the released the stores that have been collectiong since debears bought 80% of the mines in africa'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'transparent steel isn't good enough for you?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert peers intently at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of diamonds wouldnt be so high if american women weren't so gullible. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, if they were more gullible the price of diamonds wouldn't be so high...CZ FTW!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah baby, it's a diamond'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'their price wouldn't be so high if companies didn't store every stone that comes in and released more then 15% of the gems that were mined let alone the actual store that have built up'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was debeers that created the whole diamond engagement ring bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was it DeBeers that did the Diamonds are Forever campaign?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they needed a demand for their diamonds, so they made one during the great depression.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'diamonds have been used for jewelry since before debears existed'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its quite alot of work to get diamonds and cut them '
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'debeers has done tons of diamond commercial campaigns'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hardly any people bought diamond engagement rings until the 1930s....it was a dying market, and debeers knew it'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so they had to make it a wanted product.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's DeBeers, Elchie.  If you say debears you might start an epidemic of chicagoans.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'abe:true but once they discovered the large deposits in africa debeers started buying every mine he could get his hands on til he directly or indirectly controll 85% of total diamond production til canada discovered their pipe'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Da Bears!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and there is australian diiamonds too'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'humm not many gem quality in australia'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the debeers company started as a single mine and soon owned most of the veins in africa and those he couldn't buy bought their stones and horded them'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Canada is a large supplier of diamonds now, and Russia is going to flood the world with its diamonds.....debeers is going to go down for the count!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'looks like botswana russia canada angola are the larges'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'incidently, debeers bought one of the bigger canadian diamond mines also...:P'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'exactly and anyone who has put alot of money into diamonds as an investment will be left wondering why they are now worth 10% of what they were'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'do you see my point about investing in "rare and precious" commodity'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'industrial diamonds will blow them all away though.....they figured out how to grow investment quality diamonds.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so next time you get married....get one of those $100 industrial diamonds......no one can tell the difference unless it was laser etched as industrial.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you have to take gold and precious metals for what they are'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how else would one store value?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'If we all had access to the imm version of gtrivia and started mass producing tokens would you still spend 3mil on one someone had actually earned? moeny as an abstract is a physical expression of the value of effort'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gold and silver has had value ever since it was first discovered.....diamonds have artificial value because of a monopoly....precious metals have value because they are useful :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'stocks, bonds, precious metals, cash, land ... etc '
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Beanie Babies.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the harder something is to aquire or to produce the more effort it takes the more value it has'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'collectible plates'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'video games.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not true riz royalty has placed a high price on gems for a long time'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is an artifical value, because we can produce investment quality gems now'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'when "precious metals" first became valued was when it was discovered it was extremely rare and hard to find so took more effort therefore had value'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we could replicate gold or silver in a machine.....it would probably drop in value also.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I've paid about $1000 on my video game collection, its been valued at over $17k ... that's called a good return on investment.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert flexes her muscles...what a stud!?!
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'cuthbert: how hard would it be to go find each of those games right now?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Depends on the game. Some of them? Next to impossible.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and i would not pay more that 1 dollar for your collection'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's great, El. I wouldn't be selling it to you, however. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Just making a point that investments come in all shapes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's also the added wrinkle of the dollar being worth different amounts during that time.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'on second thought youll have to pay me that dollar to take it off your hands'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'if i truely wanted to get those games i would have to weight the  effort and money it would take to find each one individually versus what you are asking for the collection if i deem the balance to be there then the effort = value otherwise its not worth it to me'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Which is true of any sale, Rand.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'that IS my point'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So we're on the same page! :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor squeals with Delight as Saint Cuthbert Sniggles him!
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course, there's also a huge discrepancy on value given by appraisers vs actually getting paid...lots of appraisers will declare "this is worth xxx", but then if you turn around and say "Sold!", they'll mention that they're not volunteering to pay it ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'qr'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so getting your collection valued at 17k doesn't mean that you can sell it for that'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'that any LONG term investment is a silly concept since the effort it takes to aquire it may become unstable at anytime with a new discovry of supply or advance in technology'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Truuf, bruv!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all those games are probably on ROM emulators by now anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is going to happen to the used video game market when game makers require a new key code to be used for each machine ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(and that's the difference between watching "Antiques Roadshow" and watching "Hard Core Pawn" ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The key is finding collectors. Like any collectable, the average person isn't interested in paying collector prices.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'antiques roadshow gives you the theoretical price...then you see  the people getting deflated by what the pawn brokers will actually give them'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'However, a collector of that particular product would understand the value of the product and pay, depending on their dedication.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wouldn't bet on it'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The problem with Antique Roadshow is they're buying it for resale.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Same with all those shows like Pawn Stars.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'what would happen to the comics collectible market if someone discovered an entire shipment of comics in a storage locker been sealed for 50 years'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're going by the resale they think they could get from your "a collector of that particular product"'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Same logic can be applied to the destruction of products though, Rand. One of the most expensive NES games (Woolsworth's Olympics) are inflated in price because Woolsworth destroyed extra copies after the game bombed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure, same for misprints'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Are we ready for the coming age of Abundance?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Right, which is why they offer less than the amount they appraise it at. Say it's worth $1000, they'll buy it for $500 or whatever, then sell it for $900 themselves. A private seller however could ask for the $900 up front.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I worked in a pawn shop for a few years and the basic math is pay 1/4 of market value, then sell for 1/2 - 3/4 current market.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You double/triple your money while staying below market to ensure a good bargaining position.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'High demand items you can even push it to just below market. There were a few times I'd buy something for $15, then sell it for $100 easy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'E= mc(imc)2'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'whats the i constant?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in memory computing'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the only i constant i remember is the squareroot of -1 and that kinda throws that equation for a loop'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'oh!'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like Dr. michio kaku'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'sorry man getting to technically for me to carry on the convo been up sine 9 am yesterday'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear how they retconned away the singularity from black holes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not very good deductive skills eh? :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'been awake for over 37hrs now'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'this game has a serious affect on my insomnia which is funny since i started playing again cause i couldn't sleep one night'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ok, so if no mayo...how about mustard ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So how about the tucansy airmen or whatever?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'anyone out there mess around with stock market?'
T3/r7/2013-06-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Define "mess around". are we talking like 3rd base under the shirt type action?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Lincoln's Skeleton for President!'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A government website designed for girls ages 10 to 16 offers health advice and information on a wide range of topics, including homosexuality, anal sex and 'mutual masturbation.''
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nice to know your government is promoting statuatory rape and paedophilia'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ApolloWolf: 'which website?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'girlshealth.gov'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Information can never be a bad thing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends who you're giving it to'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'this website is amazing'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd say it more depends on the  quality of the information. Of course, anything aimed for kids has to be ... well.. aimed to kids.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: '"I think I'll use a plastic bag instead of buying condoms" What a great way to save money.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But it's probably better to educate kids about sex than to just try to silence the issue.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well government websites aimed at girls isn't the appropriate point for sex-ed, and definitely not for that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'classroom or home is'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, I am going to disagree on that. '
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you would, you're a slave of the state'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'well, if they don't use that site they can probably learn all they need from a nice porn site.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ApolloWolf: 'sex ed in schools varies reatly '
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ApolloWolf: 'sex ed in schools varies greatly '
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it should'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Do you have any valid arguments, TN, or is it just that you automatically distrust all government stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think that isn't a valid argument, despite the fact that's not what this was about?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you believe government owns your soul and is the solution to everything, you don't have a point'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You made it about that, by insulting me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't insult you, i summarised in a churlish manner your standpoint on just about everything'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you felt insulted by it, it must be close to the mark'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So you think that the web is not appropriate for sex ed? It's not about who runs the website.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'calling me a 'slave' is an insult, it can't be interpreted any other way'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyway, no point in this debate, I'm out.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're having trouble interpretting english without thinking it's an insult, then there's little point me being in concerned about not insulting you'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aHHHH he doesn't like my point of view, i'm offended, therefore you're discredited'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia to send nuclear-armed subs to the Med'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a gardener in Alabama is getting over 300 lbs of tomatoes from his tomato plants...and he has the world record for tomato production at 342 lbs from 1 plant.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do they taste like?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as co2 concentrations in the atmosphere improve, tomato yields (in theory) will improve'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Clinton: "Ive heard more from Bush, asking for my advice, than Ive heard from Obama," my sources quoted Clinton as saying. 'I have no relationship with the president, none whatsoever. Obama doesnt know how to be president. He doesnt know how the world works. Hes incompetent. Hes an amateur!"'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do flies land on screens?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Attracted to light?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh. Haha. You mean mesh screens.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'computer screens'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, lights probably it though it isn't exactly dark here'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh. Then I would guess some form of attraction to the light/warmth.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or they're just obnoxious'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt you'll see western media supporting the activists in Turkey, after all, Turkey is a tame allied Islamic state'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a friend of mine just emailed me to gloat that his first 67 tomato plants produced 100 lbs of tomatoes 5 days ago.....and another 150 lbs today.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can you do with that many tomatoes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he sells them to people in his town....$2 a lb for heirloom organic tomatoes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds a bit pricey'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is really cheap, whole foods sells tasteless organic tomatoes for $5 a lb.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think i've just spotted why you have such high poverty rates'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lao: 'yes, but they're ORGANIC! :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the local farmers market here sells organic heirloom hydroponic tomatoes for $3.50 a lb, and sells out.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'organic means they won't poison you, locally grown means you're supporting your local brethren and will be fresher, vine ripened generally contain more vitamins'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he planted another 100 tomato plants a month ago....and they will be making fruit soon.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then he will be drowning in tomatoes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to be fair, supermarkets flog organic tomatoes for about $3.50 a lb here too'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and they are tasteless crap'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is what happens when you pick a tomato when it is green.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, that's why home grown wins'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'higher co2 levels will be benefitting him'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer indeterminate tomato plants....it doesnt have terminator genes in it, whether natural or unnatural.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plant a tomato plant and keep it alive for years, picking fruit all year round.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't do that here'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate unsuitable'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'greeeeeeeenhooooooooooouseeeeeee'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Over the past 40 years, approximately 30% of the world's cropland has become unproductive. During the past 40 years nearly one-third of the world's cropland has been abandoned because of soil erosion and degradation. About 2 million hectares of rain fed and irrigated agricultural lands are lost to production every year due to severe land degradation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You know, it isnt that hard to repair cropland.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that hard not to cut down the rainforest, either'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's difficult, but not impossible to turn desert into cropland'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and difficult, just expensive to turn it into somethign vaguely carbon-sinkish'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has some of the worst soil around, lots of clay and sand, since the state was covered with water about 200 million years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but you can add compost, rock dust, manure, and other things to it, and grow anything.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so clearly, in the face of climate change, the 'liberal' thing to do is have your lifestyle ruined, and give all your cash to Al Gore so he can pass it onto his wall street chums'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Although, the cultivable land has been increased by clearing more forests and improved irrigation techniques, the available per capita land today is reduced to .25 hectares (current population of 6 billion)'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the needed per capita cropland should be around .50 hectares.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which means we need to either make more cropland, or increase efficiency in the cropland we do have.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'By 2050, when the world population reaches 9 billion, the available per capita land will reduce further to .16 hectares (17,222 sq feet or 0.4 acres). With conventional agriculture it is impossible to feed the entire population.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what model are you using to predict that population?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conveniently, 9bil is the peak population they're predicting'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally doubt it'll get that high'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone will do something stupid by 2050, or shit will happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'Hebrews 9:27 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'the only thing wrong to me in getting stats to 600.. is that anyone can max any stat to the same max'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'I don't follow.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'All races can get the same stats. There is no racial limitation or inrease. A dumber race should not be able to get int for example to 600. '
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'A strong race like Giant and Troll should not be even with a smaller race or weaker one. They should have the most strength for example.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Ah.  Well maxxing your stats is not something you just casually do.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was played out in the different costs to train stats based on race'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'granted it becomes meaningless at SH and at higher tiers'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'costs are not enough when you can all reach the same stat.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no there are exceptional examples of any race and your limits should be imposed by how much effort you put to pushing them'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'that's just a cop out'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'giants and trolls stronger than sprites and elves.. period lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you think it fair that we enjoy a socialist race-stat environment where everyone is equal?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'you said socialist.. so no =)'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, unfortunately it wouldn't work very well if there were unbalanced races'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd tend to find everyone gravitating to the best'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'either make stat limits random and have people creating 30-40 characters trying to get the best stats possible or we all start with equal footing'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'there should be no best.. each race should have something that they and they alone excel at.. so no one would gravitate at one thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'everone gravitates to humans now because of lack of vunerabilities'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not possible in a game with such ill-defined roles'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'No Best?  This is NOT candyland.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'true the lack of deined roles is tricky.. all you have is the primar and subclass'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while i shudder to say it, we're now into the realms where some of us have been playing these games since before others were born, lol, been there done that'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'yeah =)'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'the only reason I care is because it will feel to most new players.. and to me.. who might be interested in PK.. that we could be gimped for a long time'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'and it might be anti-fun.. but it will take al ong time to even find out'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new players are gimped in pk period, has nothing to do with race :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'yeah. '
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'It is natural to have players that are strongs because they have spent more time.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'There is also Wars and Duels to help you figure things out death free.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'honestly the fact stats play a large role in how effective your character can be and everyone has the same potential and same starting point is the only reason i started to play this MUD over the gazillion others out there over a decade ago'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you haven't been afk-dragged by the light train, or bought hundreds of stats, you're basically going to be weaker than others'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'yeah. because of that. even though im avid pk. ill never go pk here probably'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'in warfare you can discover you are T0.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing short of illegally renting your character to chinese gaming sweatshop for 3 years will change that'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'would it be too much hassle you think to limit pik interactions to those of equivalent tier?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Tigernuts, Muschclient is portable.  You don't even have to leave your computer now! :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'easier to just play on the basis of this being a non-pk mud, plenty to keep you going'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'yeah. which is what I have to do. there's fun to be had that way'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'Until I see someone else in my leveling area doing 4x more damage than me and depresses me. =P'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'And if you want to make it more challenging:  Join a PK clan and just dodge Pks. '
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor laffs.
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'then put forth the effort and time to become that powerful'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kagaho laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'mud is easy to play. seems like it will take many months to know the ins and outs though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'The MUD I played before Aaard was 100% PK.  When I first started I would get PKd daily AND lose experience.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'It was not for the faint of heart.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'that is true, there are a lot of details with enchanting equipment, lasertag, and knowing the areas for global quests.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'that's how my first mud was.. nothing like being charmed and having yoursel stripped naked to give them your eq'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have that feature, it's called marriage'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor comforts Kagaho.
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kagaho chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor snickers with Tigernuts about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'then besides stat maxing.. the ability to beome resistant to near everything how does that affect the pk'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'I see you can wish to be immune to vorpal.. taking out someone's lucky chance for example'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll see'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'well good talk minus one thing.. time for anime and hebrew national'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.businessinsider.com/the-real-truth-about-the-stem-shortage-that-americans-dont-want-to-hear-2013-5'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '$10 million is going to the creation of cows that belch less.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I'm fine with this.'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mye: 'double it so they have less gas, too'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'would be more effecntive if they could fart less'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you're into genetically-modified beef?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'can they genetically modify it to make it even tastier?'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'they did its a beefallo'
T3/r7/2013-06-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'someone's trying to build the mush they used in The Matrix, too.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'should pregnant strippers avoid twirling upside down on poles?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'one asked me earlier, and im not a doctor. but i hear that shaking an infant is bad.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'wouldnt matter, but kno ur joking'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'they r well protected in there'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'yeah, you have to punch pretty hard to get rid of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Uhmmm.... Idk actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Leading causes of trauma during pregnancy are from motor accidents and stuff, idk if shaking can compare'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wonder if you can grow olives in Texas.....would be a good prepper source of oil to run in diesel engines.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'better to sell and buy cheap used oil'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'and yes u can if u have water'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'olive growers in TX would be treated the same way sheep herders were treated back in the old West.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how long does used motor oil store for?  I would love to fill up 55 gallon drums of it, and just let it sit in a cool dark place of the ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy it, filter it, and then store it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, 1 in 10 million buffalo is white.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why did Obama sign up to a treaty that his Senate have already kicked into touch?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't that smell a bit of delusion?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, former iraqi president, Saddam Hussein was given the key to the city of Detroit......'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for services to automobile industry'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aprox how old is the universe ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'depends on how you define the universe'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's widely believed to be around 14 billion years since big bang'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in the beginning was nothing. which exploded.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, how are we finding galaxies over 46 billion light years away ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'something doesnt add up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mostly because we're faulty in how we determine how far away galaxies are'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I would say that room expansion is a huge factor.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'How *do* we find how far away they are?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the world of relativity'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"how far away are they"? So far that it doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970415c.html'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what I would like to know is...what is beyond the universe.....if it is expanding...what is it expanding into? :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the universe isn't expanding...there's no "End of the Universe" sign...'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the stuff within the universe is merely moving'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'think of it as a flat pretend-2d surface of a balloon being blown up into the third dimension'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you can still imagine a place in universe that is unaware of big bang. What is there?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, that takes the fun out of it....just an endless billiards table then.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm, multiple dimensions'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the universe is expanding since all the galaxies are moving away from each other, no matter where you are'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'queston is... what are they expanding into?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the fourth dimension'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the universe can be infinite and bound if there is enough mass to warp it into itself'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dark matter ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fecal matter?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbinger Sammael: 'dark fecal matter'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The diameter of the observable universe is estimated at about 28 billion parsecs (93 billion light-years),[4] putting the edge of the observable universe at about 46-47 billion light-years away.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence proving the universe is shit!'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wouldnt that make us around the center of the universe? :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'observable universe != the universe. The universe doesn't expand'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'what is the two-dimensional surface of the balloon expanding into?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the religious people must be happy....we really ARE the center of the universe.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'roughly'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the universe IS expanding and the expansion is accelerating'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is dark matter getting weaker the farther out you get ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's God winding us up by making everything else further away'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or thata'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that*'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'dagnir: the universe is not expanding in the least...stuff moving outward is not the universe expanding'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the universe is everything....the stuff in the universe is spreading out from the big bang.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and in 2 billion years when andromeda and the milky way galaxy collide.....no star will even hit eachother because of the vast distances.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the parts where the "stuff" is going was already part of the universe before, so it didn't need to expand for that stuff to continue moving outward'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'stuff moving away is not *necessarily* the universe expanded'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the stuff isn't "moving ouward". spacetime was created at the big bang and it's still expanding. the big bang didn't just "explode and spew matter into space"'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the stuff moving isn't accelerating, but we're able to see further at an accelerating rate'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'spacetime wasn't created at the big bang'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and that's pretty much my point regarding "in the beginning there was nothing. which exploded"'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're arguing against the scientific consensus'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, Abelinc, this may or may not be true, but what is true is that there is at least one model of the universe with some evidence which suggests that spacetime was created at the big bang'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only if you have zero understanding of spacetime'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'everybody has some understanding of spacetime -- hard to operate without it'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'my two year old knows about the past and the present, so I think so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and did time begin when he was born?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't know what abe has been smoking. we've had proof for the expansion of the universe since hubble'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'don't know, I will ask him this evening'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no we haven't, dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, you're confusing "the universe" with "our currently-observable universe"'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hubble has never seen a wall in space'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, so the universe we can't see has different rules and behaves differently?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'guys, the bottom line here is that I suspect none of has the knowledge to argue the evidence in detail'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, dagnir, but we can't see the whole universe, we're seeing farther all the time'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'swalec is sort of correct, because i'm not sure the sci consensus is very mechanically clear atm'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'hence if we have reach the point of blank assertion, then we have reached the end of the argument'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'but i'd like to point out that abe's point re dagnir's is mostly a clash of definition'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe, but the expansion of the universe has been observed and proven since hubble'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'dag, you sort of equate planetstuff with spacetime'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've stated from the start that it's a clash of definition'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is no great barrier at the center of our galaxy ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no dagnir, it has not'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'abe has the planetstuff very separate from spacetime, which is correct actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '-n 100'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, you're saying that the universe is static, the space is finite and the stuff is just "flying away"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'dag: I'm saying 2 of those things'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so in 45 trillion years....everything will be so old and far away from eachother....that the universe will be dark.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'If I put a drop of dye into the center of an olympic pool, is the pool expanding as the dye seeps?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the universe is already quite dark'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hence the night'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, there are some realy big dark spots out there.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we get light merely because we're very close to a rather-insignificant light source'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'cmon, even einstein realized he was wrong about the static universe in the end'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'he was also wrong about quantum theory'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and he was wrong about patent #41368'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'he didn't want to believe in the randomness that seems to be inherent in universe'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You cross your arms and nod slowly and sagely.
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and he was wrong :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Einstein wasn't wrong about quantum theory'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'he was wrong about Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'quantum theory is central to the photoelectric effect, which einstein described'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is patent #41368 ? :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'random number, being silly because of his "day job"'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'he tried to fuck up his own theories by implementing the "cosmological constant"'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'it's a patent for turning spokes in a lathe'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Vost, he was wrong about some things and he was right about others. Funny thing is he is one of the major contriÂbutors to quantum theory but he didn't believe in it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'contributors*'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'he was only wrong about Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, not the rest of quantum mechanics'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's a quite central part of quantum theory I'd say. It's a bit like saying you believe in houses but not in their foundation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bah, you just dont see govt posters like they did back during WWII'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Grow Today, For Victory Tomorrow!'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't worry too much about the heisenberg uncertainty principle. It'll still be there when we understand the universe better'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chinese unmarried mothers could face huge fines. Women in Wuhan province could be fined $25,000, six times average disposable income, for having a child out of wedlock'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trust the Chinese to come up with a solution'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Hmm could you share the link?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/03/china-unmarried-mothers-wuhan-province-fines?CMP=twt_gu'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Interesting, thanks for sharing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: '"[it] only penalises mothers while ignoring the responsibilities of the fathers. It only seriously affects the poor while having almost no impact on the rich. It undermines social fairness."'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Not sure if sincere, but fair enough.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China isn't hot on fairness'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'They are, though, in their own way'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in an ideal world you'd penalise both parents, but they probably realise that only women can physically bear a child, so going after them is easiest'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish they'd brought that law in here decades ago'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Hmm... your point is an interesting one, not least because they don't actually punish having children out of wedlock if both parents are supporting it... at least I think so, from "An unmarried women who "cannot provide appropriate licences from her partner..."'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'It might be tempting to analyse this from a western pov, but I suppose the more chinese way of looking at this piece of legislature is an amoral response to societal disruption from unsupported kids / infant abandonment'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that is an issue, especially given the child limits and the higher value placed on male children, culturally'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was reading a piece about all the people shot in NYC this weekend'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usual suspects: Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx. I wonder why it was even news'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not conflicting premises, vakieh, merely incorrectly-used words'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts peers at you intently. 
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, two guys in masks tried to rob a guy in his 60s here, and the guy pulled out a handgun and started shooting.....the police found one of the robbers dead a little down the road, and the other one is in critical condition.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'seems they picked on the wrong person'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the handgun was registered, and he mad a concealed handgun license.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anywhere else other than Texas he'd be in jail'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was it reported on the liberal media?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd think man averting a crime and taking 1, possibly two criminals out of circulation without cost to the taxpayer would be cause of celebration/commendation'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK he'd now be in jail'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is UK law that you must be the victim of a crime. Someone attacks you, you have to let them'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'is the guy getting commended?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, he'll get swat teamed, declared mentally unfit and his guns removed'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as is the american way! god bless obama'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'seriously? then what's the point of all your gun laws?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'oh i'm not american lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither am i, hence the confusion'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'ah lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama already signed it, it requires 66 votes'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops mis'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: '#dictatortayyip #occupygezi we need support!'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'turkish?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'Yes, Turkish people are in the streets for 5 days. Iam one of the participants for two days. You can't believe your eyes. the level of police fascism here is unbelievable. '
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pretty sure brits know all about it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'government controls the media. that's why your support via twitter is essential.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'What hashtag is being used Sjor?  '
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: '#occupygezi'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: '#dictatortayyip and #opturkey are also used. there are many more hashtags but those are in Turkish.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police are the enforcement wing of the fascist government, yes, we know'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1700 protestors arrested in Turkey'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expect this when USA explodes into protest'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'Exactly. Two protestors have died and hundreds of people are wounded. +18 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BL1_jb3CQAEdzii.jpg '
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nasty, bullet to the eye?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'gas capsule, they say.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'gas capsule hits the eye.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is getting press coverage here'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'expect USA administration to come down on the side of the government, though, since they're in bed with the wahabists'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'Cnn international is doing a great job. Of course they are only doing their job but it means a lot, given the situation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty unusually for them'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're white house mouse pieces, so clearly they haven't been given a talking point and angle to go with from the white house yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it this PM of yours got democratically elected twice?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(if he's so bad) or do you have sufficiently numerous hardline-islamicists to screw the country over like Egypt?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'Islamisation, control over media, manipulating the votes and number of many other reasons I can say. '
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'manipulating the votes only really works if the vote was reasonably close to start with'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but this is the fatal flaw of large-scale monolothic democracy'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'monolithic, even'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'He is like junior Hitler, believe me. Hitler has also been elected, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, i know the play, get into power on a populist agenda, then start usurping power, same thing started happening in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think yourself lucky you never joined the EU, the country would be burning by now had you'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sjor: 'you mean Obama is leaning towards dictatorship?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would say more "the administration" is, a process that started in 1912 and significantly accelerated in 1992'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and accelerated again in 2000'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the process was considerably sneakier in the UK due to the nature of the government, and started earlier'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK has been essentially subjugated since 1066'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting that Iraq came out today with a statement that if Israel breached their airspace in persuance of an attack on Iran, there would be dire consequences. I'm wandering how bad it could be given how they have no significant military capability'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there might be an ammo shortage for guns, but there isnt an arrow shortage for crossbows!'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, a concentrated beer, a full pint in a shotglass size....just add carbonated water'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'looks like the Feds are gonna start screening and searching parcel packages (Fedex, UPS, etc).  Another package of pot was mailed to some random stranger through Fedex.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pot?'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor perks up, something must have grabbed his attention.
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know that was probably the fed doing it in order to give them an excuse to screen fedex for pot shipments'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep, the mules are getting tech-savvy.  They mail it off to some random address, then they cross the border and drive up to said address to pick it up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's all very well if this is cross-border shipments, customs tend to search every packet anyway'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's in-coutnry, then it's fucked up'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Governor Cristie is a fat bladder of lard. Discuss'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's a real American.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas gov rick perry could beat him in a gunfight duel.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'neither one's named Dick Cheney, though, so I doubt they'll shoot at each other.'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rick a damn fine shot....'
T3/r7/2013-06-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he goes hunting libs whenever he gets a chance.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Court rules police can forcibly collect DNA of anyone they arrest and store on a database, guilty or not'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'major Turkish labour union goes on strike in support of the demonstrators there. Turkish president claims the strikers are a bunch of extremist terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'there are racists and there are normal people. who is better?'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'troll-racists don't count now'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'whazzup, nuttercup?'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just thinking it was a slow news day'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than France doing some typical overhyped hypocratic bullshit concerning Syrian chemical weapons'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the gay marriage law passing the house of lords in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'our bevies of corrupticians are working as fast as they can.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EU imposes duties on Chinese solar panels. Gee, thanks EU'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'solar panels are nearly obsolete thanks to those nifty energy-collecting plastic leaves.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the leaves aren't even at production grade and they're already a bit more efficient and a bit cheaper to produce.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'London police are about to start pissing tax payers money down the drain by targetting pirate websites'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Looks like Hook needs to watch their step...'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or somalicruises.com.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'laughable story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22768850'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tryingt o justify it on the grounds of protecting UK citizens from malicious software and other harmful programs that could be found on these sites'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd do better shutting the fuck up, leaving them alone, and capturing bad guys for once'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but oh, i forgot, they're the enforcement wing of the corrupt elite, it's not their job to protect and serve the public'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'The Music industry in the states is trying to get permission to ADD Malware so they can lock down computers from people who pirate music.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can have permission to do that provided we have permission to burn their offices to the ground'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's actually never been their job, Tiger.  The popo are there to keep the peace.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, they are just mad because apple computer was right, and destroyed their cd monopoly.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'popo?'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'police'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '5-0.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, they were originally peace offices'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they still are.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the idiots actually figured no one would want to listen to digital music via download.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, they're not'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Music Story: http://boingboing.net/2013/05/26/us-entertainment-industry-to-c.html'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not even taught common law anymore'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are merely workers for a corporate entity, the city of london plc'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i said, the enforcement arm of the ruling elite'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'kinda of just came in during the middle of this, but aren't there independent studies showing that music and games that are pirated actually get bought more?'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't doubt that'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see, Apple sells what, 3-4 billion song downloads each year?  That is more than the music industry ever sold of music discs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'especially music'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's more disgusting about the music industry is the way it treated that young woman artist who spoke out against them, she ended up in court and forced to undergo psychological treatment'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'part of that is the law/judges not keeping pace with technology'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in time, all the major music labels will be gone.....artists will upload their own music on places like amazon.com and sell directly for much more revenue than the labels ever paid them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'the Big Trend now is streaming music.  Apple is negotiaing to have the rights to Sream music, similar to Pandora.  Except Apples wants to allow users to see what songs are next, choose them, control them etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Lauryn Hill'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the same thing is happening with books.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and almost willfully not updating their philosophies and laws to reflect the current state of what's going on'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'e-books are taking over in most sales.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'I don't mind ebooks but I personally enjoy having the hard copy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'I chalk that up to 35 years of reading hard copies and not digital copies.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I like ebooks, but if I'm travelling around, I still use the old paperback'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I only buy hard copies of books I want to collect....ie collectible books.....the new book from stephen king does not qualify...:)'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm sure an e-reader/laptop would work, but I find it more convenient at the moment to just grab a book'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but a first edition the christmas carol would qualify.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor laffs at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a book is much cheaper to replace/absorb than an electronic device.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'I reference my books a lot.  I like going to my bookcase and solving an issue.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you reference stephen king books?'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plus, it's pretty easy to tell prior to transaction whether the book is compatible or not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'You would be surprised how often a book I have read comes back in my life Rizoth.  No Stephen King specifically.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that sounds almost like a lead-in to a prank call, calling a book publisher asking for help with compatability'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have tons of books on engineering, chemistry, biology, plants, and how to do basic things wtshtf, if it ever happens.....digital books wont help then unless you can keep your ebook reader powered.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a chemistry book, you're a terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'reminds me of the old prank where they'd call window companies asking for help with installation'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but when it comes to entertainment books, I keep em all on the reader, except my stephen king collection, or the thousands of books I bought cheap from the library.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Thousands of Book? '
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never bothered to count them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has thousands of books so he can burn them to keep him warm'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Ah, he is a terrorist!'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, I have plenty of wood bearing land for firewood.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he's not a terrorist (unless he has a pocket constitution among them, or anything to do with american history, or chemistry books)'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5 acres of hybrid poplars are good enough for cold climates.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'So all History majors taking a chemistry elective in college are terrorists.  Got it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Nice Rizgoth.  I have some land but no poplars'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hybrid poplars can grow 20 feet in a year.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'history majors are probably terrorists anyway, if they don't follow the NWO tainted view of history'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching games of thrones from the beginning.....pretty good show.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good books too'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love it when the dog rips out the throat of the guy trying to kill the kid.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn that is a big wall....'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we should throw all the liberals on the other side of it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'throw the neocons over the wall also.....let them both duke it out.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold continued it's rally topping $1400 today'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flying in the face of central bank and paper traders deliberate attempts to suppress it's value over the last couple of months'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Governor Christie is still a shameful (very large) sack full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's with all the brits in orlando?  1 in 5 people i talked to ( and i talk to everyone i see ) was from the UK.  don't you have amusement parks in the UK?  and what did you do with all the Germans?'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the hot dog stand actually had "bangers" in the description.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're trying something new--a flood of legal immigrants.'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while novel in concept.  im pretty sure these were tourist, hans'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't say they were staying...'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps we should refere to them as non-illegal, less than permenant, non-indigent economic boosters?  wouldn't want to hurt the wet-back's feelings'
T3/r7/2013-06-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'And possibly from network television.'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in answer to Vonliege's question yesterday, Orlando is the most popular tourist location in the USA for British'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Headline: "Dept. of Homeland Security: Laptops, Phones Can Be Searched Based on Hunches"'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'lol what is legaly defined as a "hunch"? They might as well say, "whenever we fucking feel like it."'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you're new to debate channel, aren't you DeathSyte?'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'this isn't new information they have been doing that for over a decade'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I swoop in and out.'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, it is new'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were allowed a "cursory look" as of 1986, but as of dec 2011 the policy changed'
T3/r7/2013-06-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/06/05/dept-of-homeland-security-laptops-phones-can-be-searched-based-on-hunches/'
T3/r7/2013-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'hence why I never have this channel on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is an atrocious misuse of the English language :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'try "Thus I nevere have this channel on"'
T3/r7/2013-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'never*'
T3/r7/2013-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Pyromaniac ElementPyros: 'nevere xD'
T3/r7/2013-06-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ultramodern English'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Are "friendly" and "enchanter" mutually exclusive terms? Discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Not too difficult an issue to settle, for there are many nice enchanters around.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Examples include Dexx, Stalemate, Zengo, et cet'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: '"A" side taken. Challengers?'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Nobody would be so foolhardy. To go against Dexx is death.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Or no spellups for a while, at least.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Settled.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Newchange nods at Arnica.
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: '"The administration has now lost all credibility on this issue. Mr. Obama is proving the truism that the executive branch will use any power it is given and very likely abuse it."'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are going to bring up this topic every 4 years? It's old.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'not like the government controls their own government anyway.. bunch of puppets we know this'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/opinion/president-obamas-dragnet.html'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Nixon and Bush were uber-abusers executive power, now you complain about Obama.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'they purposely had gw look worse and worse and worse so the country would be open to the "change" and a black president'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and don't forget LBJ'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'even though he's half white.. no one says half white half black just black =P'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ah, the bush didn't need help looking bad, history will prove that he was the worst president the US ever had.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'until we get some crazy guy with a death wish that can trick the powers that be until he gets to office.. abolish congress and the lobbyists and do what needs to be done.. nothing but puppets forever'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'yes gw was pretty bad'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'I just find it amazing... I'm conservative, but I'm agreeing with a liberal newspaper as it attacks... the most liberal president in recent history.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'i find it amazing.. that people still think parties are important and not anti-progress'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'humans like to be clubby :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'true that..bunch of pack animals! =P'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'go to any college campus, there is as club for every thing imaginable and they take that out into the real world.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'clicks are in, no doubt about it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'i only go to clubs with hot chicks.. *nod'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and many are not let in, thus creating an elite. The point of the club.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'i learned when i was 12 what our government/world needed.. and I learned it from a series of sci-fi books by Piers Anthony'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'the series is called The Tyrant Series. very good read'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I couldn't take too many doses of Piers Anthony :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'i took a lot and i liked it.. even though it happened to be one of the most available because of I don't know why.. him and asimov were my first sci-fi reads'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'and goodnight =)'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, sure, but I wouldn't compare Asimov and Anthony. I've read every thing Asimov put out including his non-fiction.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'there was no comparison.. they were my first reads.. and you can compare anything.. that's why its called comparing'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I've discover Alastair Raynolds :) You should try him.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'i will thanks! go for some sara douglass if you haven't yet '
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, comparison is based on the intersection of sets, to compare there has to be something in common.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I've read Sara'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kagaho: 'not exactly.. and they have lots in common.. but gotta run so going quiet so as to not get pulled into more talk'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'bush worst president in history?  he was bad, but Obama is having more than a scandal a week revealing his administration's abuses or negligence... Benghazi, IRS targeting, IRS waste, DOJ confiscating AP phone records, DOJ naming Rosen as coconspirator in warrant, NSA data mining phone records of entire nation, and that is just from the last 3 weeks!'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Grand Theft Auto: Vice City had the Best Soundtrack Ever.  Discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'No discussion neccessary. It is the best.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But really I turn that game on just to drive around to the soundtrack.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I agree, it's the best one soundtrack wise, the one (of all three, VC, SA, and IV) that I played where the soundtrack itself made the game sheer fun'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GraySong Gregor: 'I prefer aardwolf soundtrack'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'running the remote control helicopter and hearing Al-Naafiysh The Soul, that is VC right there, that and driving the car to Alcatrazz'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'i just finished the latest Dan Brown novel 'Inferno'.......'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was a pretty big disappointment'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it read more like a Rick Steves travel guide for Florence'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'turns out GCHQ (UK intelligence) used Prism US spy program to covertly gather information on UK citizens'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's ok, i won't be smug that i told everyone this was going on months ago :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because our spy shit is awesome!'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you're recording absolutely everything it doesn't need to be'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know how much worse an infraction of privacy it has to be before people start getting pissy about it'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I guess everyone figures that whatever they're hiding will never be found out, and once the government makes it clear they know what kind of fucked up porn you're searching for online, then people will get pissy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia points excitedly at Saint Cuthbert!
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it has to get personal before people rise up'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one starts a war over an abstract idea.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, the privacy thing won't annoy people, but a combination of that and the clamping down on political opponents and whistleblowers might'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in a world where the last one or two generations are basically willingly giving away their private info in the belief that privacy is bad in general, data collection not only is nothing to be afraid of but is accepted if not encouraged.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you must have marked a sea change even in mainstream media approach in the last couple of weeks'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if this reverses that, then GREAT'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, life is fine until a close family member gets eaten by the system'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not like i've been here screaming that giving all your info out on Facebook or Google+ was bad, is it? Oh wait, I have'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if enough of that happens, then there is an uprising'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'until then, this whole issue is pissing in the wind'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouting "i told you so" might feel justified, but it isn't helpful'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it will take a real scandal involving innocent people actually getting hurt.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not just a scandal'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people have already died'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'enough innocent people getting hurt in enough places'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not in the US, though.  Besides, they aren't all that innocent.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'let's put it this way:  if you lay on your bed, and there is one tack on there that pokes you, you roll over a bit, find the tack, and get rid of it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you lay on your bed, and there are like 30 tacks poking you, you get all the way off, and find out why the hell they are there'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is America'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, we're more than 1, perhaps less than 30'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they won't galvanize until there are tacks everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Tacksation without representation!'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Time for a Boston Starbucks Party!'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have headlines here: "Postal service photographs front and back of every piece of mail it processes!"'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that sounds fun!'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the thing about surveillance is that, if they have video of everything, someone has to watch that video'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and "Obama ordered plans for cyberattacks"'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they don't, cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they outsourced that kind of shit to SkyNet ages ago.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite, but they have video tracking software'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can spot things that aren't supposed to be there, and track objects between cameras in a network and time'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'i can track it'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'usps gives u tracking # everytime u send a package'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'so just send it usps and get a tracking #'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'bam, problem solved'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what problem?'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'the one that needed a solution'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'video-tracking has grown up bigtime.  They can actually tell when someone is about to commit a crime, essentially having the computer dial 911 before something happens so that when the shit hits the fan the authorities are already outside waiting.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well done, you've solved a problem we didn't have'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'thx'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, hans, it's not really predicting a crime'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's seeing patterns that are similar to patterns that happened in the run-up to previous crimes'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means it has a very high false positive rate'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but does give law enforcement early warning'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's predicting a crime, just not far enough away to allow it to be prevented.  Kinda like classical tornado warnings.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's far more course than that'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'add in the networking aspect and you can cut down false-positives to next to nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coming from a computer vision/machine learning background i can tell you it's not capable of understanding context, it only tracks artefacts and warns a human of something being unusual'
T3/r7/2013-06-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an impressive tool, but can't by itself 'predict' crime'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'are film targeting torpedos harder to countermeasure for than ir torpedos?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So police state news?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the free gun initiative has started in Houston Texas....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Formerly of the United States'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'And good ridance'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the first people to get free 12 gauge shotguns will be single women and the elderly....with the shotgun comes free training to use it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'But no insurance coverage for the inevitable shoulder damage'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'damn I wish I were a single woman'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why would you put the shotgun to your shoulder?  I shoot from the hip!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I revise my statement. And no insurance coverage for the inevitable hip damage.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people have plenty of muscle or fat to absorb the little kick of a 12 gauge.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'They are elderly'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why are they giving guns to the senile?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 62 year old guy blew away a would be robber last week....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'saved the state about $100,000....woo !'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too bad his partner survived though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'free drugs would have done the same'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The organization, which plans to offer training classes in Dallas, San Antonio, and Tucson, Ariz., in the next few weeks, is working to expand its giveaways to 15 cities by the end of the year, including Chicago and New York.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Not Detroit?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'detroit is dead.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why in the world are they giving out guns in Chicago or New York?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'to make them like Detroit'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont have a clue why detroit is dead. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because it sucks and no one gives a shit about making it better'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'You do not know me'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no it is because the city depended on auto companies for so many years that it never invested in other industries, and when the automakers became tired of the unions, they closed down their factories near detroit and moved to other states.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, detroit died.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yeah, but they obviously don't care that much about finding something new to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'New York used to have a pretty bad reputation for crime, but people cared enough to fix it up'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the population of detroit is down 70% in the last 10 years, you can buy a house cheap there....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one gives a fuck about Detroit'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, NYC is a cool city....detroit is not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's my point'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The fact their mayor was embezzling all kinds of money from the city, while ignoring the fact his citizens were living in electrically-challegened squalor didn't help.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'hell, if I were homeless in Detroit, I'd hop a train and be homeless somewhere else'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Last I heard basically the entire city council was up on criminal charges.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Memphis is a shithole right now, too'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'actually, I was just in Rock Springs, WY, which apparently used to be one of the worst cities in the nation'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but then they hired a new Sheriff and Mayor, who systematically fired and re-hired a new city council, ended the corruption, cleaned up the police department, and they are no longer...as shitty, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'someone cared enough to do something'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one cares about Detroit, obviously...why, who knows, it ran out of mojo, the ley line on which it was built went dead, whatever'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the motor city has lost its motor.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they should hire RoboCop'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'can't we build him yet? :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They are going to change their name to Delta City.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'In other news, a Fort Worth Texas suburb girl has died needlessly: June 5 - Authorities say a North Texas girl has died on her 13th birthday after being accidentally shot by her 19-year-old stepbrother.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Hand 'em out load 'em up'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the pinnacle of responsible gun storage: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/hyskore-handgun-tree.aspx?a=1182591 :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in Ilinois, 83% of all violent murders were caused by guns, in Texas it is 64%, and per capita....gun violence is much lower than the cities where handguns are banned.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'revolvers, shotguns, and bolt-action hunting rifles are all that should be allowed, I say'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fuck that :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you're going to talk about banning guns, just leave those three'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'People claim stricter gun control = more gun deaths, but statistics show that while there's roughly 17 deaths by gunfire per 100,000 people in the U.S, the number is more around 1/100,000 in Canada, and even lower in Britain where they don't even allow most cops to carry guns.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at least you can still feed and defend yourself with those things, if civilization crumbles'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course, if THAT happens, we'll all break into the army depot and grab the assault rifles anyways, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'guns deaths in Texas have been dropping since gun ownership has been rising.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really, it's something about the American culture that causes it, not the prevalence of guns.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'violent crime using a gun is down 13% from 2011 to 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Tell that to that thirteen year old's family'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I loved the part in Paul when the cop was asking about guns in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Screw crime they are dangerous, period'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then dont buy one, that is your right.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Honestly, the gun lobby is just out of control in the U.S. I don't support banning all guns or anything, but they even threw a fit about expanded background checks; I just find that ridiculous.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I have several :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the 13 year old's family is to blame for her death, not the gun'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The 19 year old's is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but yes, they are dangerous, and that is why people must be trained in how to use them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'shotguns for hunting/home defense, bolt-action hunting rifles because you do not need rapid fire, if you are a good hunter, to bag a deer, and revolvers because they only hold 6 bullets, maybe, and reload cumbersomely'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you need more than 6 bullets, you shouldn't be there'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'same family, arnica (at least by you saying it's her stepbrother)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't take away people's right to hunt, to feed themselves'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boar hunting with a p90 is more fun.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Taken'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'at least, you won't in America'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the 2nd Amendment is not for protecting our right to hunt.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what I am saying is that a firearm is a tool, and it's good for more than murdering human beings'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can murder all kinds of tasty creatures with it! :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It defends our right to keep and bear arms in general. And sometimes 6 bullets may not be enough.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Washington, Montana, Maine and New Hampshire have the lowest violent gun deaths in the US....all states close to Canada....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'for civilian use, I would say 6 is enough'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'concerning gun control'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Canada rubs off, Riz :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'btw, revolvers don't reload cumbersomely with quickloaders and removeable cylinders ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true true abe'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'for the most part, you can't usually pack 3 full mags and have 50 bullets for a shooting spree, which is what people are afraid of right now'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if they explore my bunker....they will have a heart attack. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you only had 6 bullets, you'd have to really think, do I want to do this?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'There was a story recently where a woman defended her home with a 6 round revolver. And it was barely enough. The home invader was able to leave the home and enter his car before he buckled over in pain where the police found him later.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could invade Panama with my arsenal.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Key there is he was running for it, Death. The point is to defend yourself, not necessarily kill the robber.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What if she had missed? That's why I would rather have a handgun that can hold nearly 20 rounds:)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'don't miss'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Frankly, sounds like a win-win, she protected her swag, nobody died.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'We did, didn't we? You did get it back?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's not a toy, take it seriously'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But people do miss...I'm wondering how you came to the conclusion that 6 is enough. What makes 6 the magic number?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rather than running to his car before collapsing, he could've spent that time fully killing her, though'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a revolver is a reliable weapon, it holds 6 bullets, if that isn't enough for one man then you shouldn't own a gun'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and if it's more than one man coming in?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'When someone puts a few revolver rounds into you, you're probably more interested in getting the hell out of there Abe.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'revolvers suck......you need a 50 round horizontal clip for a semi auto machine gun.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then you'd better know how to use that thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the point, to not own a gun unless you are going to know and respect it'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuthbert: not necessarily true for people who are already invading someone else's home'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'any asshole can take a Glock and go do some damage, with an extra magazine you have 34 shots if you use 9mm'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should have a p90 personal defense weapon.....with its 50 round horizontal clip....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you don't have to think too hard about what you are going to do with your glock, because you have so many bullets'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I dunno, basic survival instinct kicks in eventually I'd imagine; it's like picking a fight after you've already been stabbed, all but the most drugged up thugs won't do it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'on the other hand, if you only get 6, then you'd better not try anything retarded'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The twelve gauges they are handing out are more effective, and six of those ... ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you think most home invaders are clear-thinking?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So only the most elite sharpshooters should have the right to defend themselves? And they only have access to the lowest common denomonator of a weapon to do it? Is that how it's done in cambodia?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if your home is being invaded, that is when you bust out the shotgun'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Tiny women and elderly and shotguns don't always mix well.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'first cartridge is salt, second one is buckshot'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a shotgun is the best home defense gun you can get though'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'BS'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or everyone should have a quad barrel sawed off shotgun where all the shots happen at the same time.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: '2 barrels is enough to fuck someone up, really'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If a Hobo can clean up with a shotgun, anyone can!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'And muscles like The Rock'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia grins evilly at Saint Cuthbert.
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'An AR-15 is better for women and the elderly than a fucking 12-gauge shotty. Good thing we have the right to own them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I kinda like the bean bag rounds'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'assault rifle rounds penetrate walls'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the p90 is great for women and the elderly.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a shotgun a) has a spread, so you dont need to be entirely accurate b) makes a great warning sound that every asshole knows, c) can use many different kinds of ammunition, d) is affordable'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well in cambodia land wouldn't the answer be "don't hit a wall"'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'e) works better at night than a pistol, you just point it towards the sound and fire if you want to kill'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm just glad I'm not American. When someone accidently shoots someone else here, it's national news because it happens once every 5 years, if even.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'home defense, everywhere you shoot is a wall'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'In the U.S it seems to happen every other day :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have bean bag rounds for my shotguns...but they are unreliable, so I prefer salt rounds.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I'd go with the salt, myself'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yikes..."point it toward the sound" is how we get those accidental deaths in families'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah really.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well then you'd better be sure it's actually a robber before you unload lethal force on an unknown sound'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well the most ideal situation is to have an alarm system as well as a properly store firearm of your choice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in any case, most of the time if you just cock the shotgun, one guy will not want to fuck with it, and you'll be fine'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that sound is one of the best deterrents to home invasion'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that and a big dog'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I just have that sound on my iPhone...who needs actual guns?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert gives you a BIG high five!  Way to go!! 
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You realize that firing "warning shots" into the air is less legal than shooting a tresspasser in many states right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Okay I was thinking...lets say that the US really did ban all but shitguns bolt-actions and revolvers. What happens when mass shootings still happen only using those weapons? Do we take those away or whittle down gun rights even farther?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't have mass shootings with those weapons'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not really, unless you have mass people'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if you have coordinated groups of people mass killing in movie theaters, then you've got bigger problems than gun control'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Oh bullshit. A man could easily carry multiple revolvers and a fully auto shotgun.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well then you don't sell auto shotguns to the public'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, there are actually plenty of mass shootings with just those weapons'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the whole point is to keep massive amounts of rounds from being easily carried and used'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'while still allowing for hunting and home defense'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I guess it's not perfect, but as far as compromises go, it's the best one I can think of'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'aside from full out ban or full out not banning, the best in the middle option'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not saying it's perfect'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well what you are suggesting is far from the middle.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Your plan would be the greatest gun control since the redcoats demanded our ball and powder.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'banning guns in America just isn't going to happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and most people seem to have a problem that you can take an AK with 2 or 3 extra magazines, have 90 bullets, and go nuts in a public area'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what scares people'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yes it is dumb'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Now your cambodia gun bill. Would it work proactively or reteroactively?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's never been something I've been worried about'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'gee I don't know, maybe have some sort of turn-in program go for a few months, and then change up the stores'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think I am more likely to be killed by a cop than by a crazed shooter.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So everyone that doesn't turn in their guns after a certain point becomes a criminal?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and before AKs were around, people did carry hundreds of rounds on their person...'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course, the paranoia gets out of hand here, and I actually believe that gun control won't solve the violence problems here'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'gee, I guess so'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what do you mean, abe?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Now the Brady bill that banned the sale of "assult weapons" only banned the sale. Everyone that had them continuted to have them. The latest attempt at the assult weapons ban functioned the same way despite not passing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I mean, back in the old west, that much ammo was hardly unheard of'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right, but it was not really in a form that lends itself to large-scale massacre like an AK'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you say so'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Lever action may as well be as fast as semi-auto....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I could very easily carry enough guns and ammo in just the old west gear to kill a hundred people'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'revolvers, pump-action/2 barrel shotguns, and bolt-action rifles'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how would you do it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also lever action...'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nope, bolt-action only'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'two revolvers, belt full of quickloaders, a couple shot or rifles strapped to back'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well I don't know what old west you are talking about then.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one bullet in the chamber, move the action, eject the cartridge and put a new one in, like the old school sniper rifles'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the speedloaders, admittedly, would make you quite dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there were multi-shot rifles 150 years ago...'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And hell even during the revolutionary war their were air rifles that could hold over 30 rounds.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I need a gatling gun.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gatlings were great :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'put 4 of them on the 4 corners of my house roof.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And yet so few mass shootings.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'really, it's our culture'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one of these days, I'd love to try out one of those .50 Barrett semi-auto sniper rifles'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: '10 round cartridge, those are sweet'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'yeah the high number of gun deaths has to do with the huge criminal element in major cities. And the mass shootings have very much to do with mental heath and people not understanding the value of life.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's a diseased meme, that people who are frustrated take it out here with gun violence'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'this sort of thing happened in Micronesia, I believe, with teen suicide'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just go get a 50 caliber hawken rifle......and go bear hunting!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the phenomenon went viral for awhile, and all the kids were offing themselves'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it was the thing to do if you were full of angst, and here in America, the thing to do is shoot up a bunch of innocent people...the news doesn't help, it's already tipped at this point I'm afraid.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'daniel boone loved his hawken rifle.....very reliable.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'well maybe if their parents start doing it it'll stop being cool.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia raises an eyebrow at DeathSyte's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That's how it works lol.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it definitely needs to stop being cool *somehow*, that's how you fix this shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's all the vidya games fault!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I guarantee you if Nancy Lanza had gone on a shooting spree that Adam would have found some other way to express himself.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he was training on Halo, that's why he shot so many people!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ya just point and shoot, and then you see the sweet blood splatter, how cool is that!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hrm, I remember reading that in the uk in one town a lot of grannies have started wearing hoodies, trying to make kids think they're uncool :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I do love innovative solutions'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, but then you get things like the Thrift Shop song telling us that grandpa's clothes are cool!'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'only the ones that grandpa don't wear no more :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Pants around your thighs have been cool for decades, there's no rhyme or reason to what's cool :('
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'nope, Macklemore will rock all that shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and that started with inner city gang members hiding firearms'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the pants'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just get the queen of england in a hoodie.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I still can't help but wonder who came up with that one. Waddling around like a penguin with one hand having to hold your pants up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'some dude in the Crips, probably'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'prisons'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Makes sense.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no belts allowed'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nothing cracks me up more than some white suburban kid getting off the bus and having to walk like he shit himself, because if he closes his legs his pants will fall down :('
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Got a kid at work who needs a belt something bad, his pants are always falling down, but he refuses to wear the belts his parents bought him because he thinks they make him look stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course, he already looks stupid'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'In prison the prison bitches wear their pants saggy so that you know that they are ready to take it up the poop-hole.'
T3/r7/2013-06-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'True story.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'Best Beastie Boys album: Paul's Boutique'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The best does not mean good, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well I like the beastie boys'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You must be mistaken :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they like to have fun'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How come skin cancer is increasing despite chemical sunscreens are getting higher and higher spf? http://www.aad.org/media-resources/stats-and-facts/conditions/melanoma-trends and http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/cancerstats/types/skin/incidence/uk-skin-cancer-incidence-statistics and http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/skin/statistics/trends.htm'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I heard something before, that sunscreen actually causes more cancer than not using it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is probably crap but I remember hearing it...somewhere...'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, no, the government cannot be lying to you now, can they?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Never! Quick. Slather more chemicals on your skin, then heat them in the sun!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bake it in there reaaaaaal good :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'sunscreen does cause less sunburn, but more cancer...I use less than I should and let my skin tan up, then quit using it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And with those chemicals, you can stay much longer in the sun, without getting the dangerous tan.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well I have to tan slow, otherwise it doesn't stick'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just tanning for shorter periods would be better, then.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The reason chemical sunscreens "protect" against tanning but not cancer is because they block UVB but not UVA.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or rather, UVB completely, but UVA only in limited amounts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'It's 3am and I'm half-asleep, so I'm going to say this then immediately take it back as mere ramblings, but I always figure the fewer chemicals I put on, or in me, the better.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, as a bonus, the "advice" to stay away from the sun or use sunscreen means that most people are vit D deficient, a vitamin that protects against all cancer forms. Thanks for that.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is agreeing with that Ranrr person again...
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like alternative media have broken the mainstream media blackout on Bilderberg'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what's the story?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'reptiles running the show. thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'he ruined the whole thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that motherfucker.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the story? In the midst of (yet another) lobbying scandal in the UK, media not covering a meeting of 140 of the world's most powerful corporation leaders meeting in secret with regulators and top government officials, and the media isn't allowed in, the minutes are not released, and we're all supposed to be ok with it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they frequently tell US that "if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear", well that should apply to them first, don't you think?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they all keep telling us how they want democracy to be transparent....'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'platitudes... anything that is transparent will be torn down by the ignorant masses'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not trying to justify that, are you? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gimme a minute'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you're in the darkest africa of government paranoia hare'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'tinfoil hat territory'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no we are probably fucked'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saiber: '0.o'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we just might need a major government fuck up to put us back on track'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global economy meltdown, unrest throughout the middle east, growing civil unrest in europe, massing surveillance state, federal power overrun in the USA stomping all over the constitution, how much worse does it need to get, and what on earth does THAT look like?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're fucked'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here I am just trying to remort before I go to sleep'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're fucked, perhaps preppers need to be demonised a little less :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh no! you're trying to do something about your own situation, you're a terrorist!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'I kind of think it is written into the time-space continuum that we fuck up at a certain point, so that we can be reminded of what it's all worth'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'WWII'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, time to get off the plantation en-masse'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's going to play out as it should, and you wont change it from here, that's for sure'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok.. here's what I'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok.. here's what I'm driving at - POWER, MONEY, PRIVILAGE..... these are all things that the huddled masses resent.  There is no way that a government (Power) can truely operate transparently - there would be unlimited resentment from the huddled masses.  There is no way that the corperate sector (money) can operate transparently.. if the huddled masses could see behind the curtain, no more wizard, unlimited resentment.  There is no way that the rich and famous can exist transparently - If the huddled masses could see every line they cut, every traffic ticket the avoid, etc... there would be unlimited resentment.  Bottom line - the huddled masses, at the end of the day, is an EXTREMELY descructive machine - like a colony of termites.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'what is better'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'how could we set it up'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'a lot of people, just want to be safe and not worry about everything'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there you go'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we'll all need to be realistic about what life is about, if we're going to do it different'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and we'll need it hammered, real hard, rape style, into our bones, by history'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'which is...probably what will happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the road to Heaven on Earth is not easy'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is no heaven on earth - that's part of the problem with discontent of the masses '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'There will be no Heaven until every single one of us understands just where Heaven is, in relation to Hell'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'On different pages in fictional texts?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'moving on... So, I just got back from Orlando...  at least every other non-american was British....  there were a BUTT-TON of British there....'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the issue you have vl, is that while what you say about each institution being transparent is right, things were put in place to insure that there were separations of power, and that the INTERFACE between these powers was transparent'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, what it's really like when life is shitty, and what it's like when it's good, and to be grateful because you know the difference'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was intended that by having separation of powers and exposing the links, you can at least keep those powers compartmentalised, and therefore limit the influence each has'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we have happening now, and Bilderberg is just an illustration of this, is those powers linking hands'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'THAT is why it's dangerous, is why having an all powerful federal government, or an all powerful EU, or an all powerful UN is an issue'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why I always harp on about keeping the federal government SMALL, keeping the powers (where practical) LOCAL, and where you have a constitution, USE it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can use one of numerous subjects to illustrate this, from gun control to mass surveillance'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'here is the sad truth of humanity, tiger'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'thinking, is hard work, and it sucks'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'and if someone else will do it for you, 99% of people will let them'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thinking is easy'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because people have been allowed to be lazy, cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if you are smart'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In that case, I am not human.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, government allows you to be lazy'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'if I were strong, lifting heavy shit would be easy, but I would be in a minority'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'same with thinking'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a narrow minded concept of 'strong''
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are a lot of people who don't like to make decisions, and there always has been'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'about the constitution... I don't think there is much of a future for it (which makes me cry)...  since we have passed the [welfare]tipping point in the US (the point where there are enough voters on welfare programs to ensure that a 'non-welfare' government is never elected), they are more than willing to trade constitutional rights for an extra free chicken.  They'll be sorry when the free chickens stop, AND they have have traded away their constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't agree with that'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'you can't eat a constitution, and you can eat a chicken'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution is only flawed in your eyes because it's not being followed'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the US constitution is a remarkably robust and well principled document'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a rulebook for the interpretation and creation of LAW'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Holiday in Cambodia person again...
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's been good for a long time'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think there is an issue with the constitution, VL?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so - I am HOPING that big industry (oil, telcom, pharmacudicals, etc...) will band together with conservative government, become stronger, and depose liberal government.... We can deal with the resulting monster when we get there.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that forms part of your theory of how to solve things, but what do you think is wrong with the constitution?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the US constitution is suspended now, with the patriot act and similars. It was a decent document, when it was used.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have no issue with the constitution,,,, love it.  I think it is at risk, though'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does putting the oil giants in charge work towards sorting out law with respect to the constitution?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'see, when we came straight from a monarchy, everyone KNEW what value freedom had, in relation to what else you could have'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in many cases, these corporate interests are the ones causing the destruction of the constitution, not the liberals'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think most americans would gladly trade it for a free chicken.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Although, I think people from the US tend to put it on a pedestal. It's not that good.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is the gratitude I spoke of earlier, the line between Heaven and Hell'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one knows that shit now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it SHOULD be put on a pedestal, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the cornerstone of your legal system and society, it doesn't -get- any more important than that'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just like all similar documents, it's full of errors and strange things. It's how you use it that is relevant.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'spirit of the law'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't you just mixing up the importance of the physical document, and the wisdom and freedoms that it represents?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'one and the same...what is the physical document if it does not einspire the wisdom and freedom?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Eh... no, that's people that put it on a pedestal does.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree, Ranrr, that appears to be what you're doing'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see it's importance and put it on a pedestal exactly because of what it represents'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's ok, you may disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(coming from a country that doesn't have one)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which country is that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, that's weird.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I'm always slightly puzzled by us politics'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Isn't the magna charta still a law in the UK?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, you have no documents that define the basic laws of the country?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think there's like 2 clauses that are still recognised as common law, the rest has all been repealed and/or superceded'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No wonder the UK is down the pooper.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'common law has been largely removed here'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police are not even taught common law anymore, they run solely off statute now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Another reason to abolish the '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Another reason to abolish the monarchy, I suppose.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and this is what i mean, what this has resulted in, in a practical sense, is that UK citizens have no yardstick with which to measure laws and changes against, so the creeping loss off freedoms is put up with'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Although, you can still have common law in a monarchy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'seems like that would really hurt the UK to abolish the monarchy'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the US, the people can look at a law and look at the constitution (the yardstick) and it reminds and reinforced the idea of freedoms that they are have'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so to me, (Ranrr), yes, I put the constitution on a pedestal, because US people don't seem to realise how important it is'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a tool that you can use to fight the tyranny and the takeover that many over countries simply don't have'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the meaning of freedom has become...diluted here'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we think now it means, "you can do whatever you want"'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the US isn't the only country with a constitution, but tbh, I don't know how many countries do.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'have one'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but freedom has a price, and we don't get that now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no one knows the cost of freedom'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not allowed to pay that price, cambodia, don't you see?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'up untill recently, the constitution has been absolute - it can be 'interpruted' to support a particular agenda, but it hasn't been 'ignorable'... that has really changed in the past couple of years - the constitution has repeatedly been completly disregarded - and people don't give a shit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is a problem, vl'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course tiger, awareness of the value of freedom would mean that we'd all be aware of the shenanigans you love to mention'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your only hope is to get some people in your government that are willing to champion this. There are a small handful on the right that will, haven't seen anyone on the left, and really you need the same sort on both sides'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'no, freedom means "do what you want" and as long as you can do what you want mostly, who cares why, is what we do now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'yep, we need some gunslingers to come into this shithole town and clean up'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'wild west style, that would put it back into us'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what freedom means'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but it is how it is understood now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the UK isn't on this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_national_constitutions'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, that's what government brainwashing does. This is why schoolkids are being suspended for playing cowboys and indians, or for talking about guns, or for pointing their fingers at people and saying 'bang''
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, having a constituion does not mean a country is nice to live in, e.g. afghanistan or pakistan'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'seriously? *are* they being suspended for that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Newchange'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's been known to happen before'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'But always as a lapse, or a joke, and the populace and everyone knows its a farce right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"ben KNOW to happen?".... it happens every freaking day!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, no, as a matter of zero-tolerance'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's policy, newchange, not an exception'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no joke... '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'real. lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://cnsnews.com/blog/dan-joseph/11-year-old-suspended-because-he-said-gun'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it falls in with the notion of 'zero tollerence' for bullies... children are taught to rely on the teachers and staff to save them from bullies - and ultimatly, when they are grown, to rely on the government'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I know this is entirely irrelevant to the issue at hand, which is the management of certain policy tradeoffs and the question of why your govt is being oddly untogether with the populace (or vice versa)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, vonliege, spot on'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'but for some perspective I come from a country that, a few generations ago, was way poorer than the us'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'my parents and grandparents come from places that are more villages than towns'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like how we say, when I was a kid we had dangerous shit, we just didnt do stupid things with it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'and the concept of nation building / effective economy management / stability is... super obvious'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'now, anything that might hurt anyone is removed for fear of a lawsuit'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '20 years ago our schools launched war against bullies, and also they removed the ability of teachers to enforce order (stopped capital punshiment, then later prevented 'shouting', banned schools from excluding kids)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'the us problems seem to me like... inconceivable if the populace is at all good and even remotely educated, and you guys are'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it ended up in a situation where they cannot do anything with troublesome kids, so they learnt that nobody is going to do anything to them'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'well I think we have muscle that we apparently don't see the need to flex yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there is a real backbone to America, don't underestimate it, if shit really got down to the wire, we'd step up'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'they can't kill that'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're not even at the wire yet, not even close'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'well- a huge part of freedom as a common citizen defines it the freedom to do what he wants to do- is from economy stability, wealth, and social stability'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they end up having to have security guards in school as a result. same thing happened with parents - not allowed to discipline their kids, having CPS called for "shouting at them", now parents feel they have no power to bring up their kids, Government is their parent'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'us has mostly focused on... weird tangential issues'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'because life is still mostly comfy here'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'watch what happens when we start hitting real deprivations'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'soon won't be'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Yeah! life is so good like honestly- these privacy problems are troubling, yes, but they're just all so.... trivial'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'more or less, yep'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Newchange for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I dunno lol- its what i really think'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think the US might be a good country again when the oil dependancy issue has been solved. That would clarify the foreign policy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'you guys did fine nation building before you had xbox ones'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we pulled together in WWII'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that the deprevation and money issues were CAUSED by the ruling elite, newchange'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'now you have xbox ones and bonus features have you guys all divided'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'NC makes a point, TN.. 'who gives a shit'... as long as they're comfy'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'hmm tiger, if so, the ruling elite are a problem'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'but what can you do about your ruling elite except get your entire nation elite? all other solutions are artificial and nubbish'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT's what liberal government does... makes you 'comfy' while they strip away your rights and freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VL, ask yourself a question: Just because the sheep "don't give a shit", does that mean that you shouldn't, when you know it's going to bite you in the arse big time?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'paranoia can work against you as well as for you'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'keep an eye out, be ready, but don't stress it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG... I don't LIKE what's happening, I'm just agreeing about HOW it's happening'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberal government (well, what is nominally SOCIALISM, not liberal, really - the word has been poisoned to mean something else)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'of course we'd rather lie around, get fat, and worry about meaningless crap if we can'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'in most people's minds, the game hasn't even started yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'when it becomes good vs. evil again, we'll step up'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'SOCIALISM only works if you have an honest and altruistic government, and needs then to be like that forever, else it descends into tyranny'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we're fuckin America.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No country has ever tried socialism.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come on, Ranrr, don't go down the line of "no country has ever tried socialism" JUST because they haven't implemented text book idealist socialism'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no country has ever implemented text book idealist free market democracy, yet people are quick to scorn it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'true free market ends up with problems'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's why we make anti-monopoly laws and such'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'term limits, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot have any idealistic system, because the world isn't an ideal or simplified case'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'and taxes, and subsidies, and government provision of services and infrastructure- etc'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'right TN, it's gotta be robust and messy'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that's what we have'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wouldn't call the state the had in the sovjet or china socialism. I also wouldn't call the US a liberal country.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't mean there isn't directions and vectors of each within that messy system, cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the main principle is to keep change from happening quickly, so that we can have time to see what is coming'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like how you drive slowly when it's dark or foggy, because your headlights only go so far'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'don't drive farther than you can see'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is our government in a nutshell'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'quite interestingly, i feel like once your government is elected, they become them instead of us'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Holiday in Cambodia nods at Newchange.
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that defnitely happens'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'nobody seems to say- the govt know the details and they made the calculations and decisions optimal for us'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you have a administration centralising power and control, that is authoritarianism'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, that's why the US is still fighting the cold war.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'what does that mean?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'we are not at jackbooted thugs yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if an administration controls the finances and means of production, that's fascism'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it OWNS the means of production, that's a totalitarian version of communism'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does what mean, Newchange?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'fascism is when they can delete you if you go against them'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'like that shit they used to do in Myanmar or whatever, still do'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(you're not far off, cambodia, you have a militarised police, and Obama is bringing in his homeland brigade)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is fascism, and we are not there'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That definitely not the defition of fascism.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'as in- you seem to tag pre-defined utility tags to each word "fascism", "authoritarianism" and "totalitarian" etc- but as far as I can see, just saying this doesn't actually mean anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'at least to me, because i dont know the implication'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'When fascism was popular in europe, the means of production was still in private hands.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it describes things, newchange'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'look, if our police started trying TRUE fascist tactics of making unpersons and the like, there would start a rash of cop murders'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'then warfare in the streets would break out'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there would be no more fucking around about the issue, the way there is now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Unfortunately, I see that there is a risk that fascism will be reinstated in some desperate countries in europe.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'it's proper perspective of threat here'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NYC are bringing in laws that make "talking back" to a police officer, or harassing them in any way a felony'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Some popular parties have fascism on their agenda.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'why the heck would anyone harrass a police officer? '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'TN, that's what I mean, that aint fascism yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'unless your police officers are bad in the first place- and that's a totally different problem'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fascism is essentially where government controls the means of production. If you have a healthcare system where the government dictates which companies are allowed to operate, or a media, or an energy sector, then that IS fascism'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we already have IS fascism lite'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'once it gets to upper0middle class white people it becomes a problem :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That is _your_ definition of fascism, TN.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's just because you don't believe that the government can do anything right.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I think you guys feel a lot less of a sense of brotherhood with your govt- like you guys don't seem them as more of yourselves, perhaps better educated, making the same judgments- you see them as.... idk wtf you see them as actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'like they're not people'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control"'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'not entirely true newchange'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'our officials have proven their humanity, recently, if it gets too far'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '" a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition "'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you tell me that doesn't sound like USA right now'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'that is what I am saying, there is a bedrock here that you guys are not seeing'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'but we live in it, we know it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just replace "dictatorial leader" with "dictatorial administration"'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'believe it or not, there is humanity underneath what you think you see'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I do agree that governemnt shouldn't operate anything that is more appropriate for a free market.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you must almost agree that we've passed that point long ago, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are few/no free markets'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, free market does not mean unregulated. So, I disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this has NOTHING to do with regulation'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'the idea of the true core of America dying would be too sad and horrible for anyone here to really tolerate'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this has to do with government picking winners and losers, subsidising some against others, BAILING OUT companies, privatising the profit socialising the risks, CREATING monopolies'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'And to fully answer ranrr- you have to show that this was inappropriate'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Holiday in Cambodia: 'there are still patriots to water the tree'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'that their choices result in more bad for society than good'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, I agree all of those happen.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The bank bailout was the latest in a long series of stupid bailouts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you agree that bank bailouts was not free market'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, why was there no IT bailout in the early 00s?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'not societally deleterious?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'glad there wasn't'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. Nothing is black or white.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't have been an issue had they not bailed out the banks, they'd have had to step in to become the liquidator of choice'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'OK so- what would have happened had they not bailed out the banks? they must have bailed out the banks for SOME reason'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I'm just playing the opposite side so i actually figure out this issue'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would have happened? The banks going bust would have been analysed, assets would have been sold off, and the depositors protected. Shareholders would be the ones that lost out'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this would have knocked down the value of many share-based pension funds, possibly by as much as 10-20%'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a few people who had a lot of wealth in shares specifically in those companies would have been hit hard, but shit happens, stock market isn't without risk'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would not have crashed the economy though, and it wouldn't have caused this 20 yr slump'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and as a result, remaining banks would take less risk in future'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'so a quick check- you think this calculation should have been made by the govt, and the govt not chosen to bailout?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, i don't believe that'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no calculation should have been made, it should have been self evident that you don't do a bailout'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'i see.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the consequences were obvious'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'so your govt is either corrupt or incompetent, to your mind? i personally am not sure re the consequences, or either bailout or bank failure'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would have been cheaper to let them go "pop" and just protect the depositors out of the government pocket'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both, newchange'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not sure about the consequences of the bank bailout, really?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Crashes are good for an industry. Just look at how healthy the IT industry has been since the crash. We are starting to forget the lessons now, but they lasted a good 10 years at least.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'what happens if a bank collapses?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's put it this way. All of the extremely dodgy casino banking that goes on, all the "bending as far as it possibly can" the laws to do with rate manipulation, the manipulation of the property market with unsound loans. It's ALL STILL GOING ON'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the consequence is that a precedent has been set. Banks can do what they like, if they mess up, they won't go to jail, governments will bail them out'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you have -any- idea how important precedent is in statute-base system of law?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Wow, I actually agree with you, Tiger :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'hmm lol okay'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'food for thought'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can we talk about brits invading Orlando, now?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't want brits in orlando, get rid of the tourism there'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice that a republican governor has sicced a sheriff because he's an independent '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wouldn't there be more to the story?  Can't just sack someone for their political party'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like... maybe he ass raped 15 school children, AND he was an independent?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also, Sherrifs are County level, not state'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, the sheriff did something wrong, but it's all colour of law'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you'd say he was punished for "not following procedure"'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so he didn't do his job properly?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, he did his job properly'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they took offence with the way the paperwork was dealth with, and rather than reprimand him and correct it, they charged him with a 3rd degree felony'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point - to say "he was fired for being an independent" is likend to a black person sayoing they were fired for being black - regardless of their level of incompentence'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your point was not lost, VL, in this case the element of persecution comes from the disproportionate action instigated by the governor'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, I wish that governor was up here. Our ruling provincial political party just got busted for spending $600 million dollars to cancel a power plant contract they initiated because of a sudden by-election in the area that they might have lost. Now, after lying about the cost, and 3 rounds of documents being released (each time they swore it was all of them) it was just found out that they purged all of the emails concerning the deal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The cops are investigating, but everyone is denying they had anything to do with it so nothing will happen.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have been relativily succesful in sme part because I can recognize who my enemies are.  I am then VERY careful not to give them ammunition to use against me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have something similar on a small scale going on here, Cuthbert, people resigned, but the contracts are such that it'll cost taxpayers huge amounts regardless of whether it goes ahead or not. Just more corporate/political corruption. same old same old'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'We could use a little heavy-handed criminal indictments.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The head of the party resigned when the story first broke. He took his $400k 'retirement package' and has vanished off the face of the Earth, nobody can find him despite him still being a sitting member of the provincial legislature.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not always possible, VL, laws and regulations have been penned for the last 20 years that are SO widely encompassing, and so unspecific both in language and context that they can be interpreted to allow the administration to do pretty much anything they wanty'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you file a IRS tax bill, chances are you could be indicted for lying on it'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two such bills passed recently, in NYC you can now be prosecuted for "annoying a law enforcement officer". In the UK you can get fined for "driving with inappropriate speed", or "hogging the middle lane"'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all things which have no legal definition'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they mean whatever the enforcers at the time want them to mean, which means they're wide open to abuse'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'And these days, all the law enforcers are so hopped up on steroids trying to keep up that ANYTHING annoys them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can't see the danger in having a law about "annoying a police officer" is a seriously bad idea, then you have some serious issues around what law is for, and why it is needed'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure how i could frame the argument in any kind of way that would make sense to you, it'd be like confronting someone who doesn't understand why murder isn't legal'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'So how was the NYC law enacted? City Council meeting? Was the meeting public?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look how "assault on a police officer" is abused when cops beat the shit out of people and then prosecute the victim for damaging their fist'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NY Senate, Arnica'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Well the NYC thing is only passed by the state senate so far and defines your annoyance as "STRIKES, SHOVES, KICKS OR OTHERWISE  SUBJECTS'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'SUCH PERSON TO PHYSICAL CONTACT". That might annoy me. http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S2402-2013'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'So how low is silver and gold going to go?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'gold is gonna go to 650'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vespar: 'and silver is gonna go to 11'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so you think the 2009 lows'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'll go lower if North Colorado becomes a reality.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'whats happening in north colorado'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'about 8 counties are thinking about seceding to form a new state.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that would probably end not so good for them'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why do you think so?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'That would be Wac(k)o'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ohh you mean leaving the state of colorado but not the union'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'btw use of certain types of biomass for energy is a horrible idea'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, yeah, shit stinks when you burn it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well its not that its that there are areas that lack among other thing organic material( biomass is essentially organic material)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would think it much better to use tha biomass to incease the fertility of land that are currently not so fertile'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just adding more dead stuff isn't going to help, you have to get rid of all the chemicals being laid down.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not all areas are saturated with "chemicals"'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'much are, or at least have not been organic long enough to no longer be affected by their past.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'are you talking about fertilizers'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'because i was more talking about extremely sandy areas mainly'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, everything you put into soil or plants growing out of it.  Almost every agricultural product has an organic alternative now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'theres nothing wrong with fertilizers then uses properly'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'infact organics can be worse than there clean chemical counterparts...'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some organic fertilizers contain heavy metals as a result of bio accumulation'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really.  The bottom of that food chain are the microbes in the soil.  Strong microbial health leads to strong plants which leads to less treatments for stressors (like pests and disease).  With a fully healthy micro ecosystem, even extreme heat is not a problem.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://www.horticulture.umn.edu/amarkhar/courses/Hort4072-2008/Heavy%20Metals%20and%20Fertilizers/OMRI%20Report%20Metals_in_Fertilizers-b6-2005-02-14.pdf'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not only that organics fertilizers are slow release so the total amount on nutrients can actually be higher than the pure chemical form'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the whole organic food thing is media hype'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the whole thing?  No, it's not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it kind of is... just because something is "organic" does not mean its better for you but many people are too blind and thing that "organic" foods are allways going to be better'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I think the real, fundamental idea of org foods is that... we might not be able to metabolise chemicals that we aren't used to, they have unknown effects, but we can assume stuff we've been eating for ages is safe'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'but... I think people don't really have a clear picture of how chemicals are incorporated into foods, people don't really understand the whole picture, and ya i think most nonorg foods are fine'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the basic foundation, but it goes way beyond that.  Plants are living things, too, and they can get sick and die just like we can.  We wouldn't eat sickly meat, so why subject ourselves to sickly plants?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'That's... true, but also a little tangential, considering that chemicall'ed plants aren't necessarily unhealthy plants right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Maybe a pesticide-sprayed plant is healthier than an organic equivalent- in fact, i'd expect that that's the case'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, quite the opposite.  What everyone's really just discovering now is that the agricultural ecosystem has a plankton equivalent (microbes), so when those go "bad" then there's nothing you can do to save the plants.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'We don't eat meat from sick animals because we can be affected by a lot of the same diseases, the same isn't true of plants.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea but you can kill that system with any type of fertilizer'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plants are soaking up the poisons.  Eat the plant, eat the poison.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said we don't eat meat from sick animals? you eat meat and milk from sick animals constantly'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get all the crap antibiotics from them soaking through your system too'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with pigs'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I don't eat pigs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gotta love certain types of shrimp farms where the shrim swim in a pool od antibiotics'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'cows either. I only eat beef and pork.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very good'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'many meat animals are raised with subclinical doses of antibiotics.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'factory dairy herds are stuffed full of growth hormone'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and yet i though under chemical analysis you cant tell the difference in the milk '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in this case, "sick" isn't just about disease and obvious poisons or even additives like antibiotics and hormones.  It's about what nutrients you can extract from them.  Healthy animals are hardier and as a result they don't need (as many) additives.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends on the herd. Some of them are moving away from using BST on their dairy animals, because the excessive milk production wears their udders out quicker, so the cows need to be culled earlier.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally would prefer organic, happy produce free from contaminants, but unfortunately governments have a habit of making such things illegal, or at least putting a disproportionate weight of regulation on organic consumers while allowing grubby poison-filled factory production corps get away with murder (well obviously, given they're putting money in the EPA's pockets)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you know that all the plant foods we eat now are less nutritious than they were during the Great Depression?  That is even including improvements made within the organics movement.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Wow no i didn't know that how's that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'soil depletion'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'using more and more artificial fertilizers, while treating animal manure (fertilizer with loads of micronutrients) like toxic waste'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not true everywhere, but on heavily industrialised agrictulural land it is'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'and is it toxic waste?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the more chemicals they chuck down, the more it gets into the water stream and affects biodiversity. The latest nature indicators in the UK show at 40% drop in bird numbers over the last 10 years'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ecology poisoning is the cause'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'along with habitat destruction'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'farmers were very ignorant about soil health leading up to the GD, which resulted in the Dust Bowl.  The DB lead to an increased level of demand, and farmers turned to chemical treatments to create more efficient yields.  This was essentially why we became so big with exports, but then folks started looking at the food produced and realized our bigger yields still weren't that nutritious.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some organic fertilizes are really bad!!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like manures and sewage sludge '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the tend to contain high lvs of heavy metals!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sewage isn't organic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's chemically-treated, since we're already dumping plenty of other chemicals down there as well.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pills, illegal substances like motor oil, stuff that leaks out into the groundwater, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well it they do use it in some organic fertilizers altho there has been restrictions placed on it '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and who knows what leeches out of car keys and whatever else baby manages to flush down the toilet without stopping it up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is fish meal organic fertilizer'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'it's mael organic!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ground-up fish probably isn't JUST ground-up fish.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'by that notion then organic fertilizer is not just organic fertilizer'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'granted, the fish probably aren't that clean either, but then again they and what they are eating are both trapped in that body of water.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'bio accumulation!'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'fishes then to get quite a bit of mercury'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ohhh and btw I don thing fertilizers are the main reason we saw such and increase in crop production since the great depression'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think it would rather be the increase in machinery '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: ', better understanding of the country's agricultural abilities when it comes to large scale farms'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and also more productive strains of plants'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haha, reading a news story about how mortgage rats ticking above 4% is putting off home buyers in the US. 4%? nearer 6 here'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interview with the NSA whistleblower: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Whistleblowing is terrorism and whoever it is should be ashamed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): DeathSyte rolls his eyes.
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'Whistleblowing is terrorism, what? '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'did u think about that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'h -10'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'My sarcasm was broken I apologize.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'i se that now, cool. sry'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'should have looked at history'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'coughs, beforehand'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/nsa-whistleblower-edward-snowden-why'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is pretty damned scary and illuminating stuff'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'co'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ke'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all getting very big very quickly'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the alaska perm fund value is up to $46 billion...up 60% since 2009.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you think this latest NSA scandal, added to all the bilderberg coverage going on is going to play out? with the IRS/Benghazi stuff to, it's all synergising'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont pay attention, waste of time.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've personally never seen this much of a push back in my lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's hope it isn't a waste of time, then'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 6000 gallon water tank I installed at this house filled up in 1 hour after a huge thunderstorm just passed by here a few hours ago.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the solar hot water panels will be installed next week...woohoo'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, I would like to go to the Tongass national forest......17 million acres...the largest national forest in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do they have go carts and mini-golf?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, just some of the last old growth trees in the country.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1000 year old trees'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you can cut firewood, right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'new growth trees.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't get too excited about trees.. their renewable'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'after 60 years of clearcutting in the tongass, the feds are thinking about ending the practice in the huge forest.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'banning clearcutting in the forest will save taxpayers billions also...:)'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will they allow forest fires?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a rain forest, there hasnt been a forest fire in the tongass since who knows how long.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. I guess they can leave that alone'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'come to think of it... I've been there'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'SE alaska ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'used to fly out of sitka quite a bit'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I have 6-7 cousins that live in Juneau'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we taxpayers pay loggers $3 a board foot to harvest the wood.....otherwise it wouldnt be profitable to the logging companies.....it is a waste of money.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and a great aunt that used to live in petersburg... she dies about 30 years ago, though'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tourism will pass logging in a few years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cheaper than wellfare, though'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but fishing is king in that area (get it?  "king"?  as in "king crab"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more like king salmon...:p'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that's what I ment... King Salmon... thanks'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the crab there are mostly snow and dungeness'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, in kodiak, I used to put out pots to catch blue and red king crab'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'commercial fishing of king crab is over in kodiak, but subsistence is still there.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate dungeness are my FAV... very sweet'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the largest king crab ever caught was caught off kodiak.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'How   big  was  it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'longer than hakeem olajuwan's arm span.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at the bank in kodiak, there is a red king crab that is 6 feet wide....one of the largest king crabs ever caught.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the bank also has an 11 foot tall kodiak brown bear in the lobby.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'USFS has invested $8.6 million annually in tourism and recreation, which helps support a billion-dollar tourism industry that provides 10,200 jobs. They have put $7.9 million toward fish and wildlife, which helps support another billion-dollar industry and another 7,200 jobs in Southeast Alaska. Finally, $23.4 million goes annually to timber cutting and roads, a money-losing industry that provides just 107 jobs '
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In economic terms, USFS spends $843 per year supporting each tourism job, $1,097 per year per fishing job, and $218,692 per year per timber job.'
T3/r7/2013-06-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you think obama is a nature loving liberal...he isnt.....his forestry service just signed a ROD to allow important deer habitat to clearcutted near the city of petersburg in Alaska....even after the city sent a letter asking not to do it, and then a month later the FS added even more land to the lease.  Taxpayers will end up spending about $150 million to have that timber logged.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the TSA tried to confiscate chewbacca's light saber at the airport!'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now both US and UK are full peddle-mode with respect to spying on the populace'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only thing that's amusing me about it is how people are now suddenly shocked when there have been others of us shouting about it for a looonnnng time'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'none of that matters, cause the TSA tried to take chewbaccas light saber at the airport!'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damned TSA, while others were photographed asleep at their posts, no less. TSA ftw'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/06/10/man-charged-with-dui-despite-blowing-000-during-breathalyzer-test/'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go go polce state!'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'man arrested for driving while black'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he'll get his cash'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it'll be the best thing that ever happened to him'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, payday, which is great for him, bad for tax payers'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cop will likely lose his job'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'should correct the situation'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surprisingly, the British cops got highly praised by all the attendees at Bilderberg'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, $1 million to have lunch with warren buffet....he should just have 5 lunches a day and make $1.8 billion for his charity.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, tomato flavored licorice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, licorice flavored tomatoes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare: ohio insurance premiums to rise on average 88%'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boy are you guys getting screwed :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except most people do not know that 87% of that increase is profit to the insurance company.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't actually matter where it goes'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess what, government creates a monopoly (or at the least, a closed market) prices go up, people get raped'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happened in the UK with electric and water'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'electric and water used to be a monopoly in the US, and prices were much lower compared to the free market today.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ours were nationalised before, and now are a closed private monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thank god most utilities are still govt owned in Alaska....keeps the prices lower.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the best model is nationalised water, nationalised power infrastructure with some free market supply to the grid'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Kodiak Electric Association added hydro power to the city and electric costs dropped by 50%....the city used to be completely diesel powered.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then wind power was added, and power costs dropped another 20% since more diesel was replaced.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the city is now 80% renewables.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that must reall be chapping you arse.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'considering how much you advocate fossil fues'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fuels'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously... that's just like STEALING from the oil companies, the people who work for the oil companies, and every person that has a 401K, a retirement plan, or a pension (all invested in oil companies)... '
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, I want oil to be used for making plastics and chemicals, not to be burned to product electricity, or used in cars.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plastics and chemicals are high value products....power and fuels are not :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'money never sleeps.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whee, century old laws may prevent the chinese govt from buying a pork producer in the US for $4.7 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'At least eight states - Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota and Wisconsin - have laws that prohibit foreign ownership of agricultural land.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did the pork producer deal get stopped then?'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, just slowed down.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If all the gasoline produced in the U.S. stayed here, the surplus should push prices lower. But it doesnt. U.S. refiners are increasingly exporting gasoline and diesel fuel to Central and South America, where demand from those developing economies continues to rise.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gasoline demand in 2012 was down another 8% in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a 1000 star galaxy has been discovered orbiting our own galaxy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/06/06/do-treaties-trump-the-constitution/#.UbZARdhbb-t'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A member of the U.S. Army Band who said he was reprimanded for having anti-Obama bumper stickers on his personal car, serving Chick-fil-A sandwiches at a party and reading books written by conservative authors like Sean Hannity is now facing Article 15 charges which cropped up shortly after he went public with his complaints.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chickfila sandwiches are better with mayo and tomato.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everything is better with mayo and tomato.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I agree....C4 is really good for removing tree stumps.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and alot cheaper than amonium nitrate'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, the ultimate man cave....a guy in florida build his with 60 old video arcade games, a call of duty room, a star trek themed tv room, and a nice round oak bar with over 100 bottles of booze.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Was he single? '
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope.'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Humanity has declined '
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the star trek room looks like the bridge of the Starship Enterprise-D'
T3/r7/2013-06-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was he fabulously wealthy?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was a statue of the king (iron, gold, alabaster and something I forget)...and daniel didn't "kill" it... he just refused to bow before it'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess stuff is getting so bad that huge riots, beatings, tear gas, large anti-riot arrests in multiple countries, and illegal spying on a massive scale just doesn't capture the imagination anymore'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's all going to burn sooner or later?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'massive empathy?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lack of'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'apathy... massive apathy'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, how long will apathy last?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'until the food runs out, or the energy turns off, or until the welfare checks stop?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'right up until the free minutes on their cell phones is cut from 250 to 249'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or until facebook starts charging'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman trial will be good for some riots'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if the hoodie fits, you must aquit!'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I'm a little worried about that to.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he'll be aquited, and there will be nation wide riots'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zimmerman is the white guy, right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'huh, there are white guys in the US still?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no whiteys were involved'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then explain :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wasn't he hispanic?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it matter? wasn't it just a case of a trigger-happy elderly bloke shooting a dodgy black kid?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he wasn't elderly, either.  Middle-aged, probably.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was a 30-something hispanic who shot a black kid who was trying to kill him'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'not quite an elderly bloke.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, so what's wrong with the hispanic guy being acquitted?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nothing... he shouldn't even be on trial'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but it's such a HUGE race issue, that it HAD to go to trial...'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was it on his property?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was on a public street'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then it should have gone to trial'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'blackies think he was using self-defense as an excuse to commit a hate crime.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman, the hispanic, was a self appointed 'neighborhood watch gut''
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'he shouldn't have been following Travan.  That doesn't make it murder, but he will get blamed for it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they have a 'stand your ground' law.. where if someone is trheatening you, you don't have to run away (like the swedish, or french)'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do they?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the french don't retreat, they just surrender.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought stand your ground only applied in your own property in the US, on the streets in public you have self defence, but you may not persue'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone please explain if i have understood that wrong'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US doesn't have a stand-your-ground law, individual states do.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, and in this particular state?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on your own property is "make my day"... "stand your ground" is different'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in some states, you can defeat the raidparty and stand there on your porch popping them in the ass on their way off your property.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'everywhere in the us you can stand your ground in your house, in some states you can stand your ground outside (not duty to retreat from the conflict.)   you pretty much can't pursue and justify shooting someone in most cases.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and which is the case in the zimmerman example, malkar?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'in Florida where it happened you can stand your ground in public.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's cut and dry then'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the key is "perception of danger"... in this case, it's florida.  Zimmerman only has to prove that he "thought" he was threatened'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only reason it's a trial is partly because of the race, but more likely because the justioce system has been told to demonise gun owners'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact, i'd be willing to bet the trial has more to do with demonisation of gun ownership than race'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''guns' is a huge part of it... but I think it's mostly race'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'George didn't shoot while pursuing.  He caught up with Trayvon, talked smack with him, and got into a fistfight.  It was during this phase that George saw what he thought was a gun so he pulled his and shot first.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'only cut and dry if you believe Travan attacked Zimmerman. There is some evidence in Zimmerman's favor.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there has been alot of evidence (though circumstantial) that Trevon was involved in gangs - that goes to zimmerman's defense'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who started the fight?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'hard to prove for sure who started the fight.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman 'confronted' trevon as being 'out of place'... trevon allegedly attacked him... zimmermans gun went up for grabs... zimmerman got to it first and shot trevon'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Zimmerman had some cuts on the back of his head with suppports the idea he was on his back being beaten by Travan, but its not totally conclusive.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no witnesses - happened at night'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'USA doesn't have the near-total camera coverage of the UK'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'is Zimmerman only being charged with murder?  or are there other charges?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unless there's exchange of gunfire (or some other immediate threat to the public) or the perp is someone high-value enough to warrant flouting the law (ie, a terrorist like Osama Bin Laden), you actually can't shoot at a criminal even when it's obvious he was doing something illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'second degree murder'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they can prove trayvon started the fight, it cannot be murder'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they prove that zimmerman started the fight and blew him away when it escalated, that's manslaughter'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a fair asesment'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but he's on trial for 'second degree' murder... in florida, it is uncommon for a jury to find for a lesser charge - he'll either be guilty or inocent of second degree murder'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the definition?'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could happen, though'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't know the legaleeze, but second degree is intention, but not pre-meditated... manslaughter is mostly accidental'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'The tough part for people to swallow, is that Zimmerman followed Travan because he look out of place, followed Travan because "those people always get away" (not an exact quote), and because he followed even after 911 told him "We don't need you to do that."  ,but none of that means that Travan didn't attack him.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'third degree murder, manslaughter, and neglegent death are all about the same'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman's worst issue is that he was 'very agresive'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman's worst issue is that he was 'very agresive in his duties as a 'neighborhood watch''
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and by all accounts (including his own), zimmerman agressivly persued trevon.'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agressively persuing someone isn't an offence in this contextr'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is not'
T3/r7/2013-06-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'does anyone know how bid that gated community was. I think it was a gated community.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'my econ prof said the masure of an ec up nonist is how they plot data based on chosen indicators.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'That truly is the measure of a good ec up nonist. Well said.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'sorry, masure. The masure of a good ec up nonist.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) VampireDude: 'daloran, you are like the socket puppet i never wash. *hug*'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'in that you don't wash me? yes. Yes that is true.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using existing arguments on other subjects, and current rulings, we should immediately ban golf'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and zinGGGGGGGGGGG....----'''''  there goes a random act of typing!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well golf, clubs are a weapon so we need background checks at least, and a limit to how many you can carry at once. Stray golf balls are also a health hazard, not to mention lightning strikes. Socially golf is an inequitous past time accessible only to the rich, so we should prevent the rich playing in furtherance of the poor. It is also scored, and everyone in teaching knows that competitive games are a complete no-no in today's modern liberal socialist agenda. Finally, golfers have a complete inability to park in a selfless manner'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you didn't even get into the alcohol consumption, and tacky clothing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this whole internet spying thing makes me sick. People supporting it are so fucking stupid'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose the reasons it's still arounf is A - Obama golfs, B - 90% of golfers could NOT hit an intended person with a ball, and C - There are vouchers available (at least in Atlanta, GA, USA) for welfare people to go golfing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is -by far- enough public material available to monitor to find and incriminate terror suspects and their cohorts (facebook/forums). It only requires the intelligence agencies to get a warrant from a real judge (not a fake secret FISA one) to be able to legally monitor their communications without being in breach of the 4th ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the trouble is the NSA are just fucking lazy, and fucking greedy'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how do you feal about the proliferation of 'public safety' cameras in the UK?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't like em, the traffic cameras are about revenue generation, not safety'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there is a busy public area, it's probably justifiable to have a camera (just, and really only if there is a history of trouble). On private property, that's fine, provided it only covers private property,a nd people are aware'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the google mapping cars?  and Google Glass?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bad and bad'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google mapping cars that got caught (and google fined millions of $$) for hacking into people's wifi and scraping data without permission?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds perfectly fucking reasonable to me, it doesn't matter that it's already illegal. If you think any different, you hate america, you're with the terrorist, and you're a conspiracy theoriest'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(right?)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about celular peer-triagulation systems (the deal where in a metro area, everyones cell phones are queried to get location information for everyone)?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on people being aware of it, and being able to turn it off. It should be turned off by default ideally'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of this has to do with choice'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people choose to put their entire life on facebook publicly, then fine, provided they know what they're doing, and know the risks, fine'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can you see where i'm coming from?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I feel ya... I think that the mob is wishy-washy... they wanna play with toys like 'google glass', but then they want privacy... they wanna paste their whole life on face book, but get mad when their ex-gf/bf sees it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't want privacy'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i saw an excerpt of Piers Morgan talking about the scandal. He 'claimed' that the same people who wouldn't budge on the 2nd ammendment are 'the exact same people' defending this spying attack on the 4th ammendment. I was like "LIKE FUCK THEY ARE"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman is likely guilty of 1st degree murder because of premeditation and intent:  With premeditation Zimmerman armed with a gun went hunting with the intent to cause a confrontation that was likely to result in an provocation of a hostile response with the assurance that the (hidden) gum may be suddenly used to kill (and thus murder) the victim'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's on trial for second degree murder'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there was definitely a (premeditated) intention to cause an aggravated confrontation that was extremely likely to result in aggravated assault started by the beligerant (obnoxious) Zimmerman that then escalated into a killing (or alternatively was likely to first result in aggravated damage and humilation inflicted by Zimmerman, and then maybe the murder) (also, in some jurisdictions, a killing committed during the commision of a crime is viewed as murder)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can't know that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with VL'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zimmerman was just a concerned citizen that was investigating an out of place person in his gated community'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'confronting people isn't a crime'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in Canada, what Zimmerman did was assault - a crime'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite liberals trying to make it sop'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zimmerman wasn't in Canada :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's also illegal to preach from the book of romans in canada'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in Canada, Zimmerman armed with a gun beligerently confronting the victim is weapons threat'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was he beligerent?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's how it went - Zimmerman says "Hi... my name is zimmerman.  I really like your hoodie.  Say, I don't think I've seen you around here" - Trevan says "Ho!  Cracker!  get outa ma face 'fore I CAP you white ass"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'armed with a gun, hidden or open, Zimmerman was likely cocky, arrogant, beligerant, threatening, and provocative, likely seeking to force a hostile response and confrontation that may seemingly permit the use of the gun (according to the misuse of the florida law) --> deliberate intent and premeditation --> 1st or 2nd degree murder.   (or alternatively (the use of the gun) to inflict abject humilation on the victim - a psychological mugging - already a definite crime by Zimmerman in intent and premeditation)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again - pure conjecture from an 'anti-gun' perspective.  You can't know ANY of that, but you want SO BAD for it to be true.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'not merely conjecture - a reasonable conclusion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did you make this toon specifically to troll (Debate)?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not saying you're trolling... you ARE expressing an opinion, and I myself have gone on rants before.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman was armed with a gun and with premeditation and intent, went looking for trouble'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he didn't go looking for trouble - he was just investigating a stranger in his community'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman was armed with a gun and with premeditation and intent, intended to "mug" the victim by inflict psychological trauma and humiliation on the victim -- a killing resulted --> 1st or 2nd degree murder'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again... where's the "premeditation and intent"?  those are the items that you can not POSSIBLY know.. you are "projecting" those values into the issue'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman is a murderer'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I keep jumper cables in my car - that does not mean I have the INTENT to have a dead battery'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I buy home insurance - that does not mean I have the INTENT for my house to burn down'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't characterise being an pro-active member of neighbourhood watch as "intending to commit crime"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when somebody armed with gun intends to act as an unauthorised vigilante, that is both premeditation and intent from the start'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise you would have to prosecute every policeman who has ever harmed a criminal or non-criminal citizen'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said he was unauthorised?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again - you are projecting "intent" where there is none'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman was not an authorised policeman'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he was an 'authorized" member of a neighborhood watch'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VL is right, Zela, that's bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'something you may not be familiar with in Canada, where everyone depends on the government to keep them safe and protect them'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'policeman aren't the only people authorised to look out for others'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's true that people can't act as judge jury and executioner (neither can police)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what happened here'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'when somebody with a gun goes around acting like a provocative abomination, (and is not authorised by the law), there is a likely probability that either assault and or damage is likely to occur'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the zimmerman case, the situation DID go bad - but you can not know that that was the intent'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he WAS authorized by the law - he was legally listed as a member of the neighborhood watch - and he was licenced to carry the gun'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'in Canada, waving a gun around in public in a threatening manner is a crime '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he didn't wave the gun around'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he had a concealed carry permit, and that's just where the gun was... concealed'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zimmerman didn't go for his gun until trevon was beating on him'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'so you (Vonliege) believe that a somebody with a hidden gun may act like a provocative jerk until a physical confrontation starts whereupon the hidden gun is used to kill the provoked victim'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I generally discourage ANYONE from acting like a jerk - but it's not illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and zimmerman wasn't acting like a jerk - he very politly inquired about why trevon was there'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and trevon starting beating him'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is reasonable expectation that acting like a provocative jerk is likely to result in a physical confrontation, and when the provoking jerk brings a gun along, and uses the the fun yo kill the provoked -- the reasonable conclusion is that the provoking jerk with premeditation intended (ans was prepared for) that scenario to happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but zimmerman wasn't acting like a jerk - Trevon was acting like a jerk.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I enjoy debate, but your continuous insistance that 'Zimmerman set out to shoot someone" is getting tired.. there is absolutly no evidence to support that.  Otherwise, he'd be on trial for 1st degree murder.  Not second.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'there is reasonable expectation that acting like a provocative jerk is likely to result in a physical confrontation, and when the provoking jerk brings a gun along, and uses the the fun to kill the provoked -- the reasonable conclusion is that the provoking jerk with premeditation intended (and was prepared for) that scenario to happen -- premeditated intent to provoke a situation where a killing may occur in a significant percentage of scenarios'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again.. you're making crap up (and that's twice now that you've mispelled "gun" as "fun")'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'te evidence is that Zimmerman armed with a gun decided to act like a confronting vigilante (and was supposed to know that acting in such a manner was likely to result in violence)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again - you're making crap up'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman, by acting as a "vigilante judge jury and executioner", violated the victim's rights. '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman acted like a murderous racist -- "hunt and kill the n***** down" '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's legal in the US'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'tell Obama that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zimmerman didn't act like that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who's 'obama?"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have a sneaky suspicion you're being trolled, vl'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zela: 'Zimmerman racially profiled and went hunting'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and did it well... bagged himself one'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know Biden is worried when he comes out and very specifically attacks Ted Cruz and Rand Paul, claiming that they "run the GOP"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talk about own goal, geee Joe, why not just advertise the biggest threat to your party's dominance'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not entirely convinced that 'ol Joe is sufficiently evolved to be so self-aware as to be 'worried''
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I grab a bowl of popcorn every time 'ol joe gets near a microphone'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah, world's oldest person died, last one to be born in the 1800s'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's really sad :-('
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and awesome: http://www.usnews.com/news/newsgram/articles/2013/06/12/prism-class-action-lawsuit-filed-20b-injunction-sought-against-complicit-companies-and-officials'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bits of north colorado and nebraska contemplating a vote to split from their respective states, forming a new one'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'deja vu all over again.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why's that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I was talking about it earlier this week.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's predictable that rural states will want to split away from large city states, they have inevitably different requirements'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one size does not fit all'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Australian PM Julia Gillard branded a menu for an opposition fundraiser "grossly sexist and offensive" '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'It featured a dish called "Julia Gillard Kentucky Fried Quail: Small Breasts, Huge Thighs and A Big Red Box". '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haha, well, it is sexist and offensive, even if it is funny'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'You certainly don't see any male politicians broken down and turned into meals based on their anatomy o_o'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, it'd be like advertising the 'male politician of your choice Rocky Mountain Oysters -- the smallest you'll ever see!''
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Lol!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sexisim is a highway with 99 lanes going one way, and one lane going the other'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The US Army estimates that for every three case of sexual fill-in-the-blank persued by females, there are one case NOT persued by females, and three cases not persued by males... the number of female on male harrasment suits persued in the US Army is statistically non-existient.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'pursue. And yeah, I know guys who have had something happen that they refused to report because they thought everyone would laugh at them when they claimed that they were raped by a girl.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'They also maintain that it is not a "I'm too mocho to report it" issue... Men just don't let it bother them, or hinder their effectiveness... they are just tougher.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"being laughed at" isn't usually the case... it's just considered too trivial to be bothered with.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, actually, the guy I knew was quite bothered but sure he'd never be believed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes - fear of 'disbelieve', or the 'fear that noone will dare persue it" are other less prevelent reasons why men don't report... but it's mostly because they just don't really care.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'I can't agree with trivializing sexual assault in that way'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'women are fragile when it comes to sexual harrasment.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eh ... doesn't make it okay'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most women who report aren't looking to cause trouble... the incident just really messes them up'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where as men stuff it in a mental box and get on with their job'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'it's not usually one incident of harrassment'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'seems like alot of people dont understand what sexual harrasment even is'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'usually a series of incidents'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some do and some don't, in both genders, tyvm. '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'repeat, or 'hostile work workplace' incidents are actually relatively rare in the army.. most of the incidents that reach the trheshhold for notice are SIGNIFICANT events.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right. frankly, I think that counting things like a guy having a pinup on HIS locker as 'hostile environment' trivialize hostile environments where, for example, you can't turn around without having someone accidentally grabbing your ass.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they are "I can't belive he/she DID that" type event... daily adversity is a fact of life in an organization that shoots and is shot at every day'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lunch time... good conversation'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, Colt Firearms sold 101,000 AR-15s last year, and expect to sell about 106,000 this year.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Alright! More people with guns! I can feel the crime rate in the U.S dropping already. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the AR-15 was first made in 1959, and is the most popular personal defense weapon in the country right now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is it more people with guns, or is it people with more guns? ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Colt bought the gun design from another company that created it, and then licensed it to the US govt for military use.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thats what happens when you threaten to ban something'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I sure do hope PTR guns decides to move to Texas from Connecticut, they have 6 year waiting list for their guns they are so popular.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They sold 6000 guns last year, and hope to fill 10,000 orders this year, and 15,000 next year if they can get enough employees.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like they're bringing all the damage control they can to bear on this NSA spying thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when government responses start contradicting each other, you know they're flailing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bellator: 'marvel comics prove that spiderman exists..'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Logical statement :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'debate ok im gonna pull some statistics out of my sdebate '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'My interest is not in proving the "God" exists and using any western religion as evidence, I do however get discouraged when people blatantly disregard the Scientific Method. Just me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2111174/Intelligent-people-less-likely-to-believe-in-God.html'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'heres some stats for you'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Anyone can create statistics with the right question to satisfy predrawn conclusions. Next!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'You can neither prove nor disprove god. Wake, be a man, go to work in the morning, love your family, love your neighbor. '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'That's kinda where I fall :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'no you shouldn't believe in a god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.gallup.com/poll/147887/americans-continue-believe-god.aspx'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percent_of_the_population_believe_in_God'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080722053603AA0J4uB'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '!85%'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'majority of intelligent people dont believe in god actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'god does or does not excist! there is NO proof whatsoever! AND DON'T use that BIBLE is my PROOF, No one can even prove that The bible is The truth! anyone with the time and Knowlege of using words could write the bible'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'educated people (i.e. people who know why the earth is older then 4000)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have a 152 IQ and I believe in God - what you DON'T believe in is irrelevent to me'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yeah i have 155 iq that doesnt mean shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'steven hawkin said people who boast about iq are retards'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'look that up'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its true'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe that it qualifies us as "intelligent", and that puts us at 50/50'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'he actually said that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Suggesting people who don't believe science and supernatural occurence are mutually exclusive are unintelligent en masse is not the sign of an intelligent person, citing crowdsourced answer websites that topped a google search is not the mark of a critical thinker'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'there was a lot of timein between genisis 1 and 2, you should realize this'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its a made up book'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'the bible was written by jews fact'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'just as fairytale as santa clause'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'hogoth at least we are not faithful in norse religion, probably one of the most primative of all'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'wow that flew over your head'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'thats what you think! it could have been written by jhero's for all we know. The point is no one has proof of goes excistance'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well bottom line yeah'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so why do people believe in something which they has no relation to reality'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'nobody has proof of his inexistence'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'god's*'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'because they were emotionally conditioned during a very vulnerable stage of their life'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'thats exactly why'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'just like the liberals'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'just like the democrats'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you dont need to proove somethings inexistance'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'There are better ways of approaching someones faith than calling it a fairy tale. By the by...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'I could give you 10billion examples'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'people belive in him for many reason. the fact that they need to belive in something bigger than them, they are scared what happens to them when they die. They do it to fit in. many reasons'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bellator: 'I dont care what anyone says underpants gnomes exist and there's no phase 2'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'fairytale is accurate'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'you have to prove his inexistence, its like that cat in the box thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'accurately analagous'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'Accurite yes, effective? No.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'believing in him is actually the smart choice, just ask Pascal'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'effective at what'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if your wrong'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'Getting someone on to your view.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'youve spent your entire life living a delussion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'you dont know if its alive until you open it, you can take all of the statistics you want, but until that box is open you have no idea'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'Yes. And do you think they will give that idea up while they are forced to be defensive because you called it a fairy tale?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'No. Grow up. Learn how to get what you want.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'idc?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if you dont think science is interesting then you can fuck off'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'You obviously do. You are here in Debate.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that is my stance'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'lol dude. I am on your side. You are making us look like douches though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'You are the christian that makes christians look bad.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'ok there is no way'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'Just stop talking.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'there is no way we could be made to look douchier than they are'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course science is interesting...God invented science'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'it is impossible'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'For the sake of Science stop talking.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i could deliberatly try and fail'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'What good reasons do you have that God is inexistant?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'every law of science was deliberately written by God :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think you mean humans invented god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'who says religion isnt compatable with science'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'science does it self'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'read what scientific method is'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hence thousands of theistic scientists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you obviously dont know'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'seems like God is tied to religion and morality, which are human constructs, so the odds of a God seem commensurately low'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'Obviously don't know what scientific method is'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'god is not tied to morality'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right back atcha, hogoth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'there is no co relation'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yet all the major monotheistic religions have God and morality linked together in their religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yeah like killing heretics'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'thats your morality'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'just take a good look at extremist islam today and realize that at one point that was catholicism'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'it was called the dark ages'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'pathetic to judge religion on practices centuries old.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'why'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'your mom'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'your not a fan of facts and history i take it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'lowl'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'becuase you live in a world of democracy, freedom, nation states, literacy, and private property.  Idiot.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'what does that have to do with my comparison?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you just blurt randomly unrelated things that are not valid arguments but ok'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it has everything to do with why even bringing up things linked to religion from the middle ages is retarded.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that is the history of religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that is its origin'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, that's the history of humanity'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you cant just pick and choose what you like'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'without christianity how would we tell good from bad, there would be no understanding?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and forget the bad things'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'strange how Religion can make people different towards each other. I myself do not belive in god. and now People call me a satan follower. its pathetic'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'your narrowing your picture of the truth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its called narrow minded'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pot, meet kettle...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'guess what the spanish inquisition has anything to do with religion and morality today?  Zilch.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'Did someone say 'pot'? #_#'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'evolution explains morality'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'mmmmm... yummy '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and slavery was endorsed by religion btw'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so sometime in the last 1000 years we evolved into a new moral species?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'evolution favors lack of morality'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Hogoth you're doing just that--ignoring the scholars of the islamic faith responsible for algebraic discoveries as well as translating the works of Aristotle, the Christian poets,painters, and philosphers, the peaceful Eastern Religions that aren't monotheistic and collectivist...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'no it favors morality'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'read what natural selection is first of all'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'please explain'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quite the opposite, hogoth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'no right on actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so far you've shown that you don't know what the scientific method is, or what evolution is...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you're the one who thinks he's speaking for science...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'summarize to me right now what they are'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'go ahead'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'trollol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'since you know better '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'go tell me what is the scientific method'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'crickets'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'scientific method is nothing more than a series of logical techniques to narrow down personal understanding of observable behaviors'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'after you explain to us how evolution is responsible for the morality humans have developed over the past 2000 years'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'ther are many examples'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which in no way conflicts with the existence or nonexistence of any deity'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'of cooperation in nature'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'which is proof itself'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'pretty sure we have been homo sapien for a much much longer period than that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'working to gether was beneficial which is exactly what morality is'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its economics'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'hey, lets not start a war here, lets debate on why dora has a monkey, or why stickers only stick once'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'animals are by and large immoral by the human measurement'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'What about when someone contradicts what's best for them, out of nothing more than a desire to do what's right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'animals work together to hunt'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'look at monkeys'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'ps3 vs xbox'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most animals do not...and they hunt themselves and each other'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Question,Attempt to explain, design an experient, test your experient, ATTEMPT TO DISPROVE your experiment, write up a report examining all of the facts surrounding your experient regardless of the results, do not attempt to draw conclusions based on trends that can be interpretted multiple ways'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how are animals immoral?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'monkeys hunt fruit'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that statement is rediculous'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'I know that's boiled down for Dummies but ya know at this point :/'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Typo Qurrm Kallendbor: 'i think he mean amoral'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'monkeys have families'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'they are not immoraal, theyre just stupid'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'hahahaha'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'monkeys kill their families'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'ok, if were here since the day of earth begun. then why is there no findings of man in the dino time?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'ok and the scientific method is logical deductions based on empirical evidence actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'they dont now better... theyre moneys'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so you wernt 100% right there'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bellator: 'dont you feel silly knowing the westboro baptist church sides with you people that believe in god?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hogoth, the moral code of men today is much different than the moral code 2000 years ago.  Something was responsible for the change.  It wasn't anything to do with a notion of biological evolution.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually I was...read again...and it is still 100% consistent with either the existence or the nonexistence of a potential deity'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its not about whos on their side its about the very fundamental idea itself'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that a superbeing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'is floating around controlling everything'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its absurd'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hogoth monkeys kill their families and also form gangs'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The irony is that science, by its nature, can not say God is impossible because we don't have all the facts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'it is absurd'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so do humans cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Not Guilty Kojiro.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'but theyre mokeys, theyre stupid'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'So is this about disproving God or disproving Christianity because you seem to be bouncing back and forth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Science is a system built on human understanding of the universe, which is a fraction of what there is to know :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'they are both the same arguement actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'with no god there is no religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'humans lowe themselves to monkeys, and become stupid'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is it even up for debate that the odds are against the existence of a God?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Not every person who believes in the possibility of creation subscribes to a religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'there is no odds'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'there is 0 evidence in favor of god existing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'ZERO'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ririch you mean like the movie prometheus?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'Hogoth do you deny that Jesus Christ never existed'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'I haven't seen it so I couldn't say'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'there is zero evidence of him not existing fucktard''
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i could care less'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'There is this one episode of Futurama though that says it all'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ghostleader: watch the personal attacks'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'byebye'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's allowed to be ignorant without being called a fucktard ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'even to day there are cult leaders'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'lool'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yeah if there is no evidence of him existing or not existing then the conclusion isnt he exists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if you think thats it then your insane'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the conclusion is he may or may not exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor is it he doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'You can't draw a conclusion, but you seem bent on it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'there are mountain of evidence that Jesus Christ lived, whether you believe he raised from the dead or not is another story'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and that's where you sit in ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'actually its proven that monkeys are the most similiar to Humans and that every Few years they make a change of knowlage. Learning to make new tools and even Learn emotions. from sadness to Remorse. they also proven to have the ability to talk but cannot use words in A sentence thus leaving it no meaning'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'eh that evidence is highly debatable'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah man, if it's insane to say that he exists despite the lack of evidence, how is it any saner to say he doesn't exist when there's just as little evidence?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'cause I dont have to wonder weather there is a thor'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Bad Chaka! Your master is not pleased!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Until human beings have learned all there is to learn in the Universe, and taking into account the discrepencies in our current theories, talking in absolutes is junk.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'Its easy not to care weather or not thor exists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Even the laws of Physics begin to break down the deeper into the microscopic world that you go.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'I think Im gonna go squee now'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'of course you don't, because nobody claims there is a thor'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'point is religion comes from a time'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'when they would burn "witches" to find out'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if they died they wernt a witch'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and if they didnt die they were'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no it comes from far far earlier than that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yea even worse'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'religion is alot older than that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'exactly thanks'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'religion was around when the earth was created and god gave it to man'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'the earth is only around 6000 years old'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'here is another contradiction to think about'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how many religions have existed through out the past'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'all with different unprovable exaggerated claims'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'basically you can apply your arguements to scientology'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'Man lived at the same time as dinosaurs'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i agree with the notion that the odds are against the existence of a God, because religion seems clear to me to be a human construct to cope with mysteries like death and natural phenomena.  But I'm open to the idea there is a God.  I hope there is, and that he's kind.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'there is no un proof of xeon planet aliens putting us here'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and trapping our souls in volcanos'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'there are pictures in ancient temple of man fighting images of dinosaurs'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'just as probably from what evidence we have which is none'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Hogoth, I think you should look into some of the Eastern Religions. Also, shift your focus, instead of drawing the conclusion that everyone that believes in God--one or many--is ignorant, look into some of the things those people have accomplished. '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'probable*'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'what have they accomplished?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'riri: I think you just opened pandora's box'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what have all the scientists throughout the ages accomplished? quite a bit :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ririchiyo: 'Don't be lazy, try and find out for yourself. I suggest the rennisance for a period of time'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'religion hasnt done anything actually, they were responsible for the bloodiest wars in history'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody's talking about religion doing stuff except you'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'throughout history, the vast majority of scientists have believed in God'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'I think it would be a strech to say good done in name of religions =< bad done in name of religions'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'also responsible for billions in charity funds and charity work today'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sir Issac Newton was a devout Christian and made most of his greatest discoveries in an attempt to show the beauty of God's Universe.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yeah that has no relation to a magical god though'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'thats where it disconnects'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'real physical actions and magical mumbo jumbo'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we were talking about people who believe in god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you cant pray hunger away'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'actualy things must be done'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you were asked to look at their accomplishments and you asked what accomplishments'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, you keep changing your arguments when you get shot down, man. Weak.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how about that old lady that's gonna live on nothing but sunlight ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'I keep my stance on every argument I have'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so no, your wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you keep it as defeated'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'but thats ok, dont get angry'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'people are falliable its ok'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'boy are they ever'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hogoth, atheists like you are in a similar logical position as religious believers'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'glad you agree'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hogoth IS a religious believer'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'im in the opposite state of religious'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he's a zealot, quite a religious term'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'religiousity requires believing something with no evidence'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narhtan: 'Atheism is a religeon'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he uses no logic, and just blindly runs forward'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'everything I argue is provable'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and cuthbert from what i have read in history newton was a closet alchemist and an adeist at the least which isn't far from athesist especially for the era he lived in.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've already agreed that you're believing in something with no evidence'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes Hogoth, the exact opposite end of the spectrum; the only difference between you and the hardcore religious zealots is that they'll ignore facts to promote religion, while you'll ignore them to deride it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'saying atheism is a religion is like saying your favorite sex act is abstenince'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you cannot prove that god does not exist, simple as that.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since you're the one claiming that there's ZERO evidence for the nonexistence of god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anymore than someone can prove god does exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'abstinance is a sexual orientation'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the right metaphor is abstinence is agnosticism'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'cmon...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, really :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i guess it depends on the reason for abstaing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Maybe in his later years, Rand. During his active years however he was unabashedly religious; I think he may have gone more Humanist in his later work though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, "not getting any" is different than abstinance...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'when someone in the scientific community claims something there must be reproducable evidence, end of story'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you cant go to the scientific community and tell them they dont have proof of non proof'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yet, here you are making blatant claims without any such thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that is retarded...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i don't think any real scientist would claim they can prove the existence of god.  that's why it's called faith.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they accept a notion without proof'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'just like you accept your notion without disproof'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'what notion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the existence of god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i dont believe the existance of god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'your the one who is makeing the claim he exists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what's your proof?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i never did, actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well your stance is that he exists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no its not'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'whats your stance'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i've said it twice on debate, look at history if you care'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'hmm this is just my personal thoughts but i think newton was an unreligious person but in the era he lived and the fact he was as famous as he was he feared the results of being heretical'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'too far back, say it again'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'basically agnostic'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well are you also a flying sphagetti monster agnostic?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and a orbiting-tea pot agnostic?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'odds against existence, accept there is no scientific proof, hope he does exist if he's a good god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no such thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, I don't believe your monster exists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I view the world probabilsitically'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Entirely possible, Rand! Though Humanism was starting to beat back the dangers of agnosticism, and even outright atheism by that point. But I mean, the problem with history is we won't know because we weren't there. :( ... Newton defintely made lots of references to God, and as I said, was on record as stating he wanted to explore scientific discovery not to dis-prove God, but show the beauty of God's creations.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well Kojiro'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Whether it was a cover is better left to experts ;)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if god is probable even the slightest, then so is spaghetii monster'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert took a few University courses on it, that was it :P
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so is orbiting tea pot'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so is anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'anything is possible then'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And anything isn't?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hogoth: you're confusing god with fsm...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no hogoth that's a thrid grade level understanding'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'We can barely get past our own moon and you're going to say what is and isn't possible in the Universe? :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'very few people here have been referring to the judeo-christian god, but rather to the possibility of a higher power being'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'anything is not neccesarily possible'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'there is so much instances of gods, from alha, god himself, zeus, thor, salzek. seoragoth. What ever you want to call it. the concept is Humans need to belive in higher power'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Jumping to conclusions is a pretty blatant logical fallacy, man.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is why there's no such thing as a FSM agnostic or any other type of agnostic'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'religion is evil in moderndays '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'God can exist within human logic.  For example, it may explain what happens after death.  And millions of people believe, and that matters.  your monsters are copmletely illogical.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you're agnostic, you're merely stating that you cannot know (or sometimes just do not know) whether there is or is not a higher power'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not specifying any particualar higher power, or choosing one over another'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well you cant know if there is a FSM'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly. Deism is where all the cool kids hang out.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how could you?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but if there is, he's just "god"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you're still not an FSM agnostic'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how is he just god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You bury your face in your hand and sigh.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'god and FSM are seperate entities'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sez who?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'one god many manifestations'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i know there is no FSM becuase I know you just made it up'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i didnt say FSM was a god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'he is spaghetti'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'honestly i have more respect for actually believers and atheists then i do to half arsed followers(don't believe but go through the motions from fear of being wrong or for others benifit) or worst of all agnostists'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and flys'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'nah'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if I was born into a world where millions of people taught the existence of an FSM and books were written about it and the powers of the FSM explain mysteries, then I evaluate that much differently'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, rand's anti-pascal'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i respect agnost more then theist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'if god made us, and you state we cannot just simply excist, then how did god come into excistance?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I dunno, Rand. I'm fine with agnostics. I have no issue with people who feel they don't have enough info to make a conclusion.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yea its fundamentalists who make me want to vomit'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: '"god put dinosaur fossils here to test our faith"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'do you consider santa claus possible?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, not to test our faith'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'haha, Lol thats bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'what about zombies'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and goblins'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well you have no disproof too bad'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'too bad your crazy'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert rolls her eyes, disgusted.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my proof is they are fantasy and fiction'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'adam wasn't created as an infant, but as a grown man...similarly, the world was created as a "grown-up", complete with fossil records :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well my proof is god is fantasy and fiction'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But zombies DO exist!  I see them every day, clustered around the coffe pot...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'what kind of proof is that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my proof is there aren't millions of people who think they exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Coffee, rather'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'its not good enough proof but you seem to think so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert enthusiastically high-fives Jhav!
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you play word games without a mature understanding of the world.  it's cute but getting boring'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Hogoth, the difference between Kojiro saying he doesn't believe in Goblins, and what you're saying, is that you're applying your belief to other people and stating they're ignorant for thinking differently than you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'irony at its best'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'seriously though it's been very amuseing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'goblins are creatures invented by fiction writers.  you can read about them in the fiction part of the bookstore.  fiction means the author MADE IT UP.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I can respect your belief that there is no God, what I find disturbing is your almost fundamentalist like desire to shove that belief onto everyone else.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Hogoth - where does all this "Faith-Hate", and "anto-religious-rage" come from?  This goes well beyond simple distaste... did you get raped by a priest in catholic school or something?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: '-20'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'whoops'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'read history of religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and youll find out'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'religion is poison'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA good one!!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you been "crusaded" against?  did christians butcher your family?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I'd like to note that people moving the bible, etc to the fiction section always causes me to giggle in a most immature way.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'they abused children and dont pay any taxes'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'religion today does more good on balance than bad'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'why dont they pay taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'fuck them'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did a muslim piss on your yard this morning?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you only like to look at the information that confirms your bias'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'they should pay taxes like everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Charities don't pay taxes, fuck them too?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you dont even look at information'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so i guess im ahead of oyu'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my analysis of your goblins and zombies and FSM is all based on information, actually'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you mean like NOW, the NEA, and a hundred other agnostic non-rpfits that DON'T pay taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you still fail to differentiate between something which doesn't exist and something which might exist but we can't prove it or disprove it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'incorrect i did distinguish'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'there is no distinction between god and santa clause'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm just trying to figure out your angle, Hogoth - you must have worn out TWO keyboards typing all the RAGE in just this one evening.  Where's the HATE coming from?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'in the relation of bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, saying "same thing" isn't quite distinguishing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you claim can't prove existence of zombies anymore than god, therefore if you think zombies don't exist then god must not exist.  this is first grade level reasoning.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'I'm smiling and laughing not rageing, correction.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'm calling angry high-schooler who just found out who Richard Dawkins is. Anyone wanna take that bet? :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you still havnt disproved'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'zombies and goblins'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'saying they are in a book isnt disproof'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'It's like you are on a single minded GOD-SLAYING MISSION!  it's almost as if renouncing religion IS your religion, Hogoth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'we all know that now'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'A theist an athesits and an agnostic come to a T in the road.. The theist prays for an answer and goes right, The atheist says screw that and goes left,  The agnostic looks both ways and just continues to stand there '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'it is my agenda'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they are in fiction books.  i see 3 fantasy movies about them every year, written by humans.  why is it hard to understand they don't exist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'im open about wanting religion to die'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Then when the theist or atheist walk off a cliff, he knows which way to go!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert tries to high five herself, but ends up looking foolish instead.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that isnt disproof'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bellator: 'a muslim terrorist, a communist, a coward, an illegal alien, and a dumbass all walk into a bar at the same time.  The bartender says "Whatll it be Mr. President?"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you should consult the defintion of "fiction", which is where these books are found'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yet, the bible isn't found there'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'at some level all these outcomes makes sense but are all incompatible and anyone that holds one of them will think the others crasy and no arguement can change that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if i take a bible and put it under fiction does it make it fiction'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'if i label you crazy does it mean you are crazy?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you are demoted to kindergarten now'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well that doesnt disprove zombies sorry'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'still havnt disproved anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if i take an atheist manifesto and put it in fiction section does it make it fiction?  '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you can't disprove it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'read plato metaphysics'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh no, you don't bring Plato into your garbage, man.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Plato argued that there WAS an afterlife.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yea but what else did he say'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Define "zombie"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'he admitted'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Hogoth: I just don't understand why you are so viciously bent on dictating what the rest of us believe... you say it's "your Agenda".  What else is in your agenda?  do you mean to tell us what to eat and read and watch on TV, too?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that it was impossible to prove'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'So kindly go actually read Plato and don't just skim the Cole's notes to back up your hilariously poor reasoning.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i can disprove it, actually.  I can survey 1,000 people and I will get 1,000 people telling me that they know zombies are fiction.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'regardless of where you place the book'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'regardless of where you place the book'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well i see it as a positive'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'for the world'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so its not a selfish interest'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'more of a side hobby'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'do real zombies exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'really real'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yet it's what YOU see,,, while the majority of the world sees it differently... what give YOU the right to decide for the rest of us?  Are you an elitist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'ones that arnt in a book'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you cant disprove it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course they do, there was that florida guy on bath salts'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and flying spaghetti monster too is real'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'thats flawed logic kojiro since if you did said survey in haiti or other islands in the carribean you would get a very different result'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'It depends on what you mean by 'zombie' really.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, they don't exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'yes, yes they do'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '99.9999% rounds up to no'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you pulled that stat out of your ass'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the issue is that the truth doesn't require anyone to believe it in order for it to still be the truth...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'it isnt subjective'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'a survey is proof of opinion, not evidence of existence'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'truth is objective'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, the point is is there some crazy absurd chance?  that we are in the matrix?  that the univserse is a speck on a gian'ts fingernail?  99.9999999% probably not, = no'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hogoth you can never know truth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how can you tell?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'becuase i claim your eyes are actually deceiving u'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'how can you tell?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it may not be known as the truth by anyone at the time...much like "If God exists...AND he's the God of Abraham...AND Hogoth tells him "you don't exist"...that won't stop him from stomping on Hogoth ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what you perceive as truth is false'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'how can you prove your eyes aren't deceiving you?  that you aren't in fact insane and the true reality is different from what you observe?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you cant'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'it's impossible to tell'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so it's not even arguable bottom line'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'which kinda makes it irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'just like god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and yet, here we are...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you can choose to believe that, or you can choose to probabilitically believe that (as i do) it's 99.9999999999% not the case, or you can say it's 100% not the case'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hehe, "it's not arguable", "just like god"...but "I'm gonna argue about God 'till I'm blue in the face"...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the guy that wins the lottery doesn't give a shit that probabilistically he must've lost ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what would it matter if it were the case anyway, as long as what you see is consistent with the most probable explanation?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you'd have to do that for everything we don't know about'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'so just sit there and use your imagination for eternity'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I do it subsconsciouly'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'and ill move on with my life'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's automatic, I know your FSM and zobmies and goblins are 100% not in existence (on earth at least)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '99.9999999% rounds to 100%'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'same with god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Imma tell you something.  Creativity and imagination about the unknown is a key in advancing society and science.  You have to make some sort of inductive leap from a trend to a general truth.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and that is where I disagree, I think the odds of a god are somewhere between 1 and 25%'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'except when it's the 0.0000001'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'but for what reason'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'you dont even have to answer'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i allready know your answer comes short'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I can't speak for the chances of their being a god or not being a god, or being in the matrix or not being in the matrix.  Ultimately, doesn't matter except insofar as the effects can be observed and used for gain.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i have nothing against creativity and imagination'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'And if you can at some point get a nice test of the existance of god, that would just be lovely.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Except when people use those imaginations to believe in something you don't, then it's a curse that must be expunged.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well once you start BELIEVING in things that dont exist yeah'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'that can be destructive'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There you go, speaking in absolutes again. Plato would spit on your feet, man.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Can you perhaps think of the religious as those seeking a proof of god?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'It might help you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'seeking proof?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i've already shared the reasons, but it concerns being born into a world where billions of people believe in the notion and raised in a country (the US) that acknowledges a God.  There is some % chance they are right, and it's higher than .00000000001% but less than 50%.  as i learned about the history of humans and religion, the odds go down.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'Kojiro how old are you just curious'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'old enough to vote, not old enough to collect social security, but rich enough to retire'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then of course, there's always pascal's wager'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I'm just trying to advance a view here that might help you step back and see that spewing bile at each other isn't helping.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i didnt ask about that but ok'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav grins evilly at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'majic that's more about the concept of heaven than a god'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'well I'm actually debating hes makeing personal attacks'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert pukes on Jhav.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav thanks Saint Cuthbert heartily.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hogoth: 'i did throw a few out there admittedly'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hogoth, what is your reaction to my reasons?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, but we just called him blaise'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i think if you polled 1 billion people about something and you get an overwhelming majority coming down the same, there is a good chance they are right.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if i was god i would puke on churches'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'that's a logical fallacy, Kojiro'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then again, if you'd polled the population of the world about the shape of the planet a few centuries ago...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Dunno about that, Kojiro.  Democracy isn't a very good measuring stick of truth.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i'm smarter and mroe educated than  99% of that billion, so I have a different perspective on the god issue specifically.  But the majority opinion demands the initial benefit of the doubt, imo.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'simply because a bunch of people believe something, doesn't make it so'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no it doesn't, but it makes it probably so'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sure it does'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they are either probably right or probably wrong.  which is it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, if you simply believe that because a bunch of people share a common belief, that that gives it existence (I'm not even talking about god) then I can't argue with that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'because there's no way you'll ever see it differently'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so like, do you know what the word "probably" means?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yes, but there comes a point where throwing around the phrase 'something could probably exists' becomes silly'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, if you're lose enough with that type of reasoning, anything could possibly exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'when is that a silly concept?  seems like a powerful one.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it may seem like it, but it's not'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if you want to claim that anything can possibly exists, I mean, I can't technically argue with that.  But it's an idea that many times doesn't really advance the discussion very far'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there is nothing loose about it, it's very tight and simple.  does the big majority of a very large group of people (billions) believe a certain way?  If yes, then there is a very good chance their beliefs reflect the reality/truth.  Not always, but pretty often.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'you'd have to prove that outside of it making sense to you personally'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'at this point, that's simply a claim that you're making without any proof'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lets ask a billion people if hogoth's zombies or FSM or goblins exist for starters'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'of course, I suppose that's kind of the idea behind philosophy and whatnot'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i don't need to observe to know the results'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but the results don't reflect reality simply because a billion people agree on something'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'then let's ask what color do they see the sky without clouds?  most will say blue, some color blinded will say something and blind people won't know'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we could all agree that there's life out in this universe, and it's probably pretty likely, but simply because we agree on it doesn't actually provide any evidence that there is'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they probably do, and that's a powerful filter for nonsense like hogoth's zombies'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I don't think you would have a large majority on that question'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ohh, I'm not saying he was making any sense, I'm just saying that you using the idea that a whole bunch of people believe in something makes it likely, that's simply an incredibly poor way to vette any type of conclusion'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'assuming that it's based purely on opinions'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the utility is as a negative filter'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'if you go back to your sky example, well, we can actually collect some sort of data on that, so asking people about the color of the sky actually starts to become data points'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hogoth asked me what's the difference between zobmies and god if i can't prove/disprove either how can i view them differently?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you can't prove either, then they are equivalent :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I disagree, because I view the world probabilistically'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that has nothing to do with it. If the only thing that can be shown of either is that their existence can't be proven, then they are equivalent objects.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there is .0000000000001% chance = zero that zombies exist.  I think there is 1 - 25% chance that a God exists.  These concepts are not equivalent.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they have all points we can discern in common.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that's simply your belief, there's nothing that really exists to quantify that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sure there is -- poll a billion peole'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but that brings us back to that not being a proof of anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I think that poll is probabilistically a good indicator of truth'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'especially when "i dont know" is an option'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: '0.000000000000000000001% =/= 0'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'to quote Dr. Banjo, 'Things don't exists simply because you believe in them.  So sayeth the great Creature in the Sky''
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, you can set a probability of existence of either even after you said you can't prove that either exist.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yes I can, anaristos.  it's called uncertainty.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't apply the principle of uncertainty to an event that hasn't been shown to ever exist.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yes, but everything you've suggested is subjective, unless i've missed something that you've mentioned that isn't subjective'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the actual name for that is "wishful thinking".'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'of course I can.  I simply acknolwedge that everything in the world is uncertain, and go from there'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'are we in the matrix?  .000000000000001% = zero  Is there life outside of earth?  > 50%'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'both unable to be proven'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the question is whether zombies exist or not, not whether there is a probability that they exist or not, To claim a probability is to dodge the question.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yet not equivalent ideas'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Stop trying to apply math to a non-rigorous situation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'especially when you can't even prove that the probability exists.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you brought in the idea of probability.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no, it's to acknowledge uncertainty.  the answer is I don't know, but I have an opinion on the level of (un)certinty'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I'd disagree.  We might never proove there's life out there, but it is something that could potentially be proven.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you could say the same about the matrix'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'until 20 years ago, we had no evidence of a single planet outside our solar system...but the probability that they existed was reasonably high'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, you could'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'I don't know =/= nonzero probability.  Your knowledge has absolutely zero effect on the nature of the probabilistic statement you're trying to make.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'of course it has everythign to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'non-mathematical uncertainty is useless. You are saying that what exists is based on your personal knowledge base. Now, you can say that about your universe of discourse, but not to mine.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'That's like saying I don't know if there are unicorns.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'but it has no impact on the situation.  So stop using math.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'MY probabilities are based on MY knowledge.  they are claerly my judgments.  I m ay be wrong, yours may be different.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'There ARE unicorns -- it's just a rhino who went on a diet!'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, that I agree with , Kojiro'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can't claim that zombies exists simply because you are not certain that they don't.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'whut'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'zaeris, guess what?  math is great for dealing with uncertain situations.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I make odds every single day for a living.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, perhaps you have personal zombies that only you can perceive. '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '.0000000000001% = zero on that'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, well, wish I could hang around, but dinner beckons'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fine, tell me how you arrived at that number.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Yeah - you don't understand the impact of your knowledge on a non-rigorous statement.  Your knowledge doesn't have any application or interaction with the existence of a god.   Hence saying I do not know, does not imply a nonzero probability'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's what I think the truth is based on my experience in literature and movies with the concept of a zombie and knowing they were invented by men for entertainment and do not exist in reality, as well as inconsistent with all the science i know'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, it's an arbitrary value.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'xaeris you are just saying he either exists or doesn't.  I agree its binary, but so what?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'guess what?  each man's opinion is arbitrary.  so.. guilty as charged?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'He's saying you cannot assign odds based on a LACK of knowledge.  Saying that you do not know it to be zero is not equivalent to it being non-zero.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'do you disagree with my zero % chance of personal zombie?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so why bother giving it a numerical value?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'because some things are more or less certain'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I am certain that zombie doesn't exist.  I am much less certain that god does not exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's also called being open minded'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they existence of one is a likely as the other. The probability of either fact is arbitrarily small and, in fact, can be set to the same value.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I don't think any of us (other than perhaps Hogoth) are claiming that there is absolutely a zero chance of their being a god or not.  We're saying we don't know the odds.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'jhav -- i KNOW there is uncertainty.  I can assign odds based on my assessment of the certainty.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'And neither do you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anaristos just did, jhav'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I don't have to know the odds to have odds'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jhav looks at Not Guilty Kojiro and goes "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'one cannot know odds if an event isn't repeatable, and these aren't repeatable events'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but I can know my best guess at the odds'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am just going by your establishment of a percentage for zombies :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that is called an opinion, and it's what open-minded opininions are made of'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'personally, I wouldn't waste a number that way.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'You can believe whatever you like to believe - but claiming them as universal truth is going a little far. '
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I've never claimed a universal truth...'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one has claimed an universal truth here, that I can tell.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I state what I believe and you guys are trying to tell me I'm illogical or wrong, when I'm not :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you miss the point. You say that it is something you believe, that says it all.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '(Debate) Kojiro: 'I am certain that zombie doesn't exist."'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless you can show that your belief is based on objective reality, it is a fantasy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no jhav, I said I am 99.9999999999% certain = 100% certain zombies don't exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'your believe doesn't have to follow the facts, but they have to be based on something identifiable as fact.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I don't care what you think is fantasy, somehow the subject of non-equivalence of uncertainty came up, so I expounded'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all non-existent objects are equivalent :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'a very small minded undestanding of "fact".  personal experience is a "fact".'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, experience is a fact, but that which you experience needn't be.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is hogoth your alt?  you argue the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'zombies and god are as equivalent to you as they are to him'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as long as they remain fantastic beings they are equivalent  :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'a long way of saying "yes"'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i wonder if you truly believe zombies and spaghetti monsters are equivalent to god, or if you went down an argumentative rabbit hole'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I try to look at the context of the argument and shape my response accordingly without risking falling into a semantic trap. Traps in this sort of argument are many.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm a simple guy.  no traps.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you say :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the main trap here is the allure of trying to show that either zombies or god not exist. The trap is the attempt to prove a negative premise.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '(un) certainty is a spectrum.  Many things cannot yet be proven, but one can rationally assign different probabilities to the truth.  Does life exist outside of earth?  Is there a God?  Do I have cancer right now?  Will I get cancer?  Would my wife give me the last seat on a lifeboat leaving the Titanic?'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'being nunable to prove the answer to each question does not make them equivalent.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'some of the answers are more certain than others'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that is an important idea for all you absolutists tuning in'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, since we know life exists, it is not a great leap to think that it might exist elsewhere. We also know cancer exists. God ( and zombies), on other hand, currently belong to the realm of the fantastic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in, fact, humans can't even decide what a god is, the definitions are legion.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so you admit some leaps are smaller than others'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'all those questions have in common that the answers cannot be proven'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, to me, thinking that life can only exist on the earth is an example of egocentricity. For some reason humans tend to think that they are the cat's meow. The relatively little we can observe of the container in which the planet moves is enough to scuff at the idea of life being native and unique here.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'extra planetary life cannot yet be shown to exist. But we have the theoretical means to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Illishan: 'Woah, I left and got dinner, ate it, used the bathroom, loaded a bowl, smoked it... and this is still going on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in a relative few years we will be prancing among the stars (relative to the age of the planet, of course) :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's all nice, maybe that view leads you to handicap it at 95% yes.  but you can't prove it.  Yet, that's a different conviction than perhaps the question of God'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the point is that the existence of a god is not necessary. The craving for the divine is a human peculiarity  to cope with mortality.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I would like to know how you think we can manage to cross the distance between stars when light itself takes ages'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you, for instance, accept as a premise that god doesn't exist. The universe would still look the same.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i happen to agree with that idea about humanity, which is why I handicap God at 1 - 25%'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and if you don't accept the premise and insist that god does exist, the universe still looks the same.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sure, unrelated questions that have only in common that each cannot be proven today, yet you have differing opinions about the certainty of the answers'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'therefore NOT equivalent'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you can show how god is necessary for the existence of extra planetary life, I'll go along.'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'alright, i rest my case'
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro bows deeply.
T3/r7/2013-06-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos waves goodbye to Not Guilty Kojiro.
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like this immigration/NAFTA bill will be kicked out, and used by the democrats to further demonise/destroy the GOP'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the only way forward is for the old GOP to be destroyed, allowing the proper constitutional republicans to take over the remains'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is a constitutional republican?'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'A libertarian.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how can you be to the right of Ghegis Khan and also be a libertarian?'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I don't know. I was trying to make a funny.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That said Libertarians aren't so bad. I think we could use a few more of them elected into office.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't have you down as a troll, Anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you need to consider what republicans originally stood for, since the republic and the constitution are kind of necessarily linked. What you are thinking of it what has -happened- to the republicans, because you are right, they are now basically warmongering neo-cons. The same can be said of 'liberals'. Democrats are not liberal. The word liberal has been usurped and ruined in exactly the same way 'republican' has'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so modern definition of republican: warmongering neo-con, modern definition of liberal: warmongering authoritarian 'progressive' socialist'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither mean what they are supposed to'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'what are they supposed to mean'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go look em up'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go look at how they were defined 200 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nah, i dont need to get on the nsa prism list thx'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''liberal' has nothing to do with left or right, but to do with authoritarian vs libertarian. Clue is in the name 'libertarian'. '
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. Obama is an authoritarian'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that right-wing libertarian is an oxymoron'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it is not'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you believe it is because you are trying to cast multi-dimensional ideology system into one dimension that has only left/right/center'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the very minimum it requires 2 dimension to describe an ideology. Ideally 3 or 4'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, it's that I know that a right-winger will try to rule me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so will a left winger, anaristos, so your deposition fails at that point'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but a left-winger will try to buy me off, the right-winger will try to kill me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, not even remotely true'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i need to go'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, good night and dream on :>'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'a French maths teacher showed the horror movie Saw to a class of 11 year old kids'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do ill effect, I presume?'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to ill effect, I presume?'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'kids returned home visibly upset'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the teacher has been suspended'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'defense?'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the teacher said "To think you you will watch your first horror film in maths class" '
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'staffing problems at the time'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'case of the 'stupids', then, perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I think that it may be illegal to deliberately show 18 certificate movies to underage people in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'France may well be different'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I accidentaly (as in failed to think about it at the time) added a smily face to my signature on a 'group' condolence card - stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'not a disaster, Vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still - I was temporarily suspended from being considered 'smart''
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'did you make a sarcastic remark?'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point being - a supension is probobly an appropriate response - if the teacher's 'stupid' condition was isolated and not cronic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yes, I agree'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a "nice sauce", a "nice roast", a "nice this or that". etc'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'michan'
T3/r7/2013-06-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who like 'in app purchase' based games?'
T3/r7/2013-06-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'What happend to the the craftsmen that are good at ONE thing.  Why the hell do companies/people feel the need to do everything?  The word NO is very powerful.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'When did those craftsmen exist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So I have discovered the REAL cause of global warming...'
T3/r7/2013-06-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The sun.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how easy is it to hide in a minivan owned/driven by a mom with two young kids?  Doesn't seem like there'd be enough space in the back such that mom doesn't notice a creepy strange man is already in the car when she gets ready to go home.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'behind the 3rd row seat is a great place, assuming they don't open the rear hatch to put in groceries or anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I disagree... the space behind the last seat is not visible unless the hatch is openened'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... what Mael said'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'then they park it in the garage and the house is yours'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but how big is it?  I've been in some minivans in my day, and while a grown man would fit in there I don't think he could just pop up and flip over fast enough to overpower the mom while she's driving.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'i don't think land deeds work that way'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends. If he waits for the right time, maybe it's dark anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Was he fat?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'could also have been on the floor behind the second seat, in which case he could crawl up fairly easily'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wouldn't mom, or at least the kids, notice him there?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'kids were likely glued to an LCD screen of some sort'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not necessarily. people can be amazingly blind when they "know" what's somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'kids are dumb, von.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how old were kids?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the kids are 2 and 5, so I expect she'd be putting at least one of them in instead of just opening the side door.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'he might've been under a blanket or sometthing'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, but open side door, strap 2yo into seat, don't look at blanket in back, something like that'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's the original story here? jumped in late, and the buffers doesn't show nothing'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'where is this article?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ah i think my google-fu found it'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://gma.yahoo.com/mother-protects-kids-alleged-carjacker-told-him-messed-174656902--abc-news-topstories.html'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that's absolutly plausible'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have no issue with that accounting of events'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'when my youngest brother was 7, we drove 40 miles down the road before we realized he'd gotten out of the car at the last stop and not gotten back in. if you can legit not notice a missing kid, I think you could also legit not notice that the blanket is a bit lumpier or whatever.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also... the story indicated that he only got as far as the kids before he threatened her'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'too easy'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mom or kids noticing him doesn't stop him from overpowering her'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, he also said 'if you don't want your kids to get hurt' -- all he needs to reach is the kid in the middle seat.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or threateneing her kids with the knife'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he should have had a gun'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'note to self: avoid confrontation with adults, go after the kids instead'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then the libs could make hay'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Most moms are a lot more careful when someone's threatening their kids, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or the Two-year-old could pull his 'leagaly registered' concealed .380 outa his elmo socks and popped him.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, this IS texas...'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Was he fat?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kids were, but I imagine that was more from being born'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the mom was an idiot though, she should've gone to an ATM like he asked'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: '... and put her pin number in backwards? =p'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seriously, though, article didn't say'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, and given him cash'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's really hard to be a hero when your children are at risk'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'thinking of keeping her kids safe my ass, she got damn lucky all 3 of them didn't end up dead'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are some questionable aspects to that news story :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it seems she ran into the most inept carjacker in history :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That woman should have had a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the highjacker should have had a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The kids should have had guns.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And no one answered me if he was fat or not. That was important.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes they did answer'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Was he fat?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hans answered: [16 Jun 22:01:27] (Debate) Hanslanda: 'seriously, though, article didn't say''
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Articles need to start going into detail. I want HARD NEWS dammit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the article said that the man had a knife. A poor weapon for carjacking. A poor weapon anyway, if you want to stay out of the reach of your victim.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'poorer still when your vic rams a telephone pole hoping to launch you into the windshield'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, that's interesting. She must have taken the time to strap herself and kids down before doing that.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I guess next time she'll aim for a wall instead.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'her and the kids were strapped in before he made himself known'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I thought she as at an ATM?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'drive-through atm'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wow, your reading comprehension sucks tonight.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I just scanned it'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'according to the version of the story I've read, he told her to drive to an atm.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'you're mom'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, good, that means I can give you spankings. :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'This is why they should take all the guns away. We can allready defend ourselves with cars and the uber effective law enforcement officers:P'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): DeathSyte has just 'pfft'ed you! How disgusting!
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Media blackout incoming.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is that coming from the Rupert Murdoch divorce?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I never trust a man named Rupert. But I always trust a man named Rick.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'isn't "Rick" the same as "Dick"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'I think...'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Both nicknames for Richard, not 'the same''
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'Yeah'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'History has shown that dicks cannot be trusted :>'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no matter what they say :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also I dislike the trend of people naming their children pussy ass names like Kayden and Jayden and shit like that. It's like they want them to wear dresses and pee sitting down so bad. '
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'there's a lot more to names than you're letting on'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm talking about boy names of course.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sounds like a leap to me. A name makes you wear a dress?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'My name is Sue! How do you do!'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'My name is Lee! How do you be!'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Like that story in the news about a boy named "Coy" who is being raised as a girl because the parents said he liked the girl toys they surrounded him with. They sued the school he was going to for not letting him use the girls bathroom. For chrissakes the little kid is even saying he wants to have the "operation" already.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't blame that on the name, his behavior is completely explained by environmental factors.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even if you named him Robert, he would behave the same in the same environment.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm not blaming it on the name. I just dislike them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Bjork or Lady Gaga?  Go.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like them both :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'kickass headgear from Bjork at Bonnaroo, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Bjork by 1000 miles.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and her "innie" nipples from the dress she was wearing with it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Does Aardwolf dislike Metal Gear?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I've only played Metal Gear, Snake's Revenge, and Metal Gear Solid (the first one).  Only got as far as the room with the bumrushing robots in Snake's Revenge, but beat the other two.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Hehe Snake's Revenge is pretty underrated. It is a pretty awesome and expansive game for being on the NES.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I liked it, but I never owned it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Mad props if you beat the original Metal Gear and Snake's Revenge with no walkthroughs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The rest of them have cool stories and characters but are way easier in compairison to the 8-bit ones.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think I finally got tired of dying so many times that I bought a walkthrough for MG, but we mostly did that one on our own back in our all-night marathons.  I was much too much into really long-ass games like that, though, that by the time MGS came out I bought the walkthrough book with it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'MGS was nice in the sense it turned the entire franchise on its head by having the game being mostly about avoidance.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Eh?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'MG was always a stealth game :x'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If you were play Snake's Revenge without using stealth, man, no wonder you couldn't beat it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'All I remember about SR were those damn robots lined up in a flying V.  Somehow you were supposed to get past them, but as soon as you entered the room they all rushed you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was fairly easy up to that point.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I vaguely remember them. I remember grenades fucking them up pretty hard. I beat Snake's Revenge a few times back in the day :p ... but the game genie helped. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'definitely.  Love me some infinite health.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'MGS was a great followup though, I just wish 2 & 3 weren't such steaming piles.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Hey man 2 actually has an awesome story, even if it is totally agravating.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'never got to play anything after MGS.  You looking forward to the next title?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'MGS3 is one of my favorite games ever, I play through that one at least once a year.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah MGSV looks to be really awesome gameplay wise. Storywise I think the series has already been run into the ground but I can dig it as long as it plays well.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, men might be the cause of menopause.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as opposed to a natural way of population control?'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the thinking goes that random harmful mutations are accumulating in older women and thus are not being acted upon by evolutionary processes, due to men of all ages preferring younger women.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but that is also natural :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the male seeks more viable females.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and because there is more competition for viable females the gene pool doesn't become stale. Male potency declines rather rapidly anyway, so female menopause must have another function.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'genetic factors that decrease male reproductive ability would get weeded out.  Apparently this is not so for females.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am thinking that the way males would influence menopause would by not being viable themselves. The lack of males of comparable age impregnating menopause age feamales would cause the process to atrophy (cuase menopause). This would mean, though, that if males can maintain potency in latter years, the propensity for menopause may decline. '
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'males DO maintain potency'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not unusual for a 70yo to father a kid'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they would be forced to seek mature females because they would be ad a disadvantage competing in a lower age bracket.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'at*'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I doubt that 1000 years or so ago many females experienced menopause :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more like tens of thousands.'
T3/r7/2013-06-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'crazy swiss, environmental law fuels black-market trade for cat fur.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't mean to say that older males impotent, but their drive to procreate is proportionally lower. You can say that young men (14-25 for instance) are obsessed with procreation while men in their 70s may consider doing it :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sevidia: 'speaking form experience anar?'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, not yet :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the hormone profile for the two age groups are quite different.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i think your statement is flawed procreation is sexaul intercourse with the purpose of creating life'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'substiture fornicate and i agree'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I want to clone myself when I am in my old age. Have one of my great grandchildren give birth to it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the mind of the human may tell them that they are doing for recration but the hormones driving them exist so that they procreate.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'some researchers hypothesize that sex also plays a social role, which would indicate that at least in a few species (humans, chimps, dolphines, and a few others) that it isn't done completely with the goal of procreation'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, but sex drive didn't evolve to recrate or as an aid in networking, it evolved to maintain racial continuation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( or as  the basis for commercial ventures :) )
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, I agree with that, I'm just saying that there's some evidence that in it's current form, it may play a larger role than just the passing on of genes'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, one could be uncharitable and say that humans have perverted the sex drive. Though I wouldn't go that far :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, except you see , I guess, social sex in some other species.  If I remember correctly, all of them are fairly social animals (many primates, and dolphines, though I seem to recall there's others, too).'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well when a male dog humps I don't think he has procreation in mind. He just has a compulsion to do the act. I think it is the same in humans but our expanded conciousness makes us percieve it differently.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor nods at DeathSyte.
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that's actually what I meant.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'note that in other animals procreation is curtailed by environmental factors only. While it is true that environment plays a role with humans, their ability to inhibit automated responses has "perverted" the sex drive.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: '- h'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'darn it'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ixle: 'Live q/a chat with Edward Snowden at the guardian.co.uk'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '14yr old arrested for wearing an NRA shirt to school'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'what state?'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest in a line of offences coming from US child indoctrination camps'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'it had a picture of a gun?'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'West Virginia, and nogs, Tintin'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'pictures of guns kill people, well known fact'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone i saw the other day was wearing a slipknot tshirt, perhaps they should have arrested him'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tintin boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not only that, but he's facing a year in jail for 'disrupting the educational process' because he wouldn't shut up when the police showed up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the world you live in when you listen to Rachel Maddow'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you mean madcow?'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-06-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw a video of her whinging about republicans putting breaks on DHS buying billions of rounds of ammo, spinning it as 'preventing law enforcement from buying ammo for training' despite DHS not actually -being- 'law enforcement''
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Here's a story about 'Zero Tolerence' in schools: http://www.break.com/article/one-school-in-america-just-voted-to-not-be-stupid-2463595'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in any school district that doesn't follow suit - pay should be docked for administrators, and suspended for school boards.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CLACKAMAS COUNTY, Ore. - After an increase in crime, residents of an Oregon neighborhood have decided to take up arms instead of involving the police. Neighbors have organized what they call a Glock Block, after several residents obtained concealed carry permits.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the way to do it!'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'think they need to fire their marketing guy. :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neighbourhood watch doesn't have a marketing guy'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ADJhErmJuoQ'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russel Brand rocks'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and has tv propaganda got this obvious? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=V8vXrqHurTc and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOsQV50l1tY&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't forget - it was a Miss Alabama that told Perez Hilton to take his queer mariage and shove it up his $#%.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least that would be funny'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well - to be fair... she didn't say it quite that way'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but her position was crystaline clear'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am having a hard time seperating DNA from Fingerprints in terms of data gathered when your arrested - both can be digitized (though DNA is arguable more searchable).  Both can be used years later to identify you.  Both are unique.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is the american fascination with vapid women trying to answer political questions?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the issue, vl?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... miss america?  years ago, the industry tried to make it seem to be more about scholorship than tits... but we all know the truth'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'butts?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on the issue of collecting DNA when your arrested - I don't see why not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i do'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they do that, it should only be kept on conviction'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i totally agree, abe, but we all know that doesn't happen, even in the UK where it's supposedly illegal to keep it'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the feds record, you'd want to trust them with your DNA like a bullet in the head'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had police in Alabama running a DUI checkpoint where everyone (EVERYone) stopped was asked to provide a blood sample for DNA recording'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, is there Alabama police inflicted violence, false charges, and coercion, if motorists refuse to provide the blood sample for DNA recording.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(false accuse the refusing motorist of being drunk, take blood sample under the pretext of checking for alcohol level, and use the blood sample for DNA recording)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate I'm not sure what you were stating there, TN... but almost universally, in the USA, you can refuse to give blood, urine or breath as pertains to sobriety checks'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... by doing so, you essencially state that your fluid samples are over the limit'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'further, in Alabama, if you object to blood being drawn, then Urine or breath test will be done instead - so YES... you can refuse a blood test with no consequence.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonlliege, in which police state do you reside -- and does asking for a lawyer there indicate guilt (if refusal to be legally raped indicates guilt)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I live in Alabama - and no... requesting a lawyer does not confer any implied guilt'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not yet, anyway ... though getting a lawyer may involve being financially raped'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also... requesting that a blood sample is a technique for gettting a lower BAC... field officers are not able to draw blood, and the time it takes to get you to a clinic or hospital could make the difference in blood alcohol levels'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's enough 'ambulance chasing' lawyers in the US, that you can get one pro-bono, who will then, if successful, couter sue the city/county/state to recoup his expenses'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and failing that, you can always get a court-appointed/funded lawyer'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'been thinking more about the whole DNA thing... I figure there should be a DB of DNA.  It would reduce investigation times and get more criminals behind bars.  Cost would be a wash - cheaper to convict - more prisioners to pay for.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and fuck democracy :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not exactly... '
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider... what is the most thoroughly DNAed group of people in the USA?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll tell you... the Military.  When 20 DNA sample show up at a crime scene, and only 3 of them turn up in a DB, 2 of them will be current or former military... who get's hauled in?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, exactly. The US government already proposed the SMART card, it was defeated but they will not give up on the idea. We already know that the government is spying domestically (read the news) now you want them to maintain a db solely for the purpose of identification. Next, to make sure you behave you will have to ask for permission to go from point A to point B.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since that aspect of DNA sampling is already lop-sided,  I'd support it just to even the field'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, since the government is run by human beings, there is no guarantee (in fact, I would bet the opposite) that they won't use the database to track people for reasons other than criminal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they're already doing that - to be sure.  Might as well have the best tool currently available'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, if a method is devised that allows one to mask one's DNA, I am in favor of the db :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"requesting permission to travel (inside the USA)" is like soviet-style internal domestic passports '
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya - not happening any time soon'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's always bleach.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's the attitude that destroys civil liberties. "They are already doing that so we might as well..." instead "Let's make sure that they don't do that...". You actually believe that the government has the right to violate our constitutional and civil rights.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, I make a deal with you. The government publicly quits claiming that it is democratic. I mean, they remove the word "democratic" from any official descriptions and change the constitution  to reflect the fact. If they do this, I won't mind (much) how much the infringe. '
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but I won't have the making the claim that they are running a democracy while implementing the same strategies that the so called tyrannies implement.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Look... the constitution is already doomed.  The USA has reached a tipping point where there are so many people looking for their free chicken that they will GLADLY vote for less liberty, as long as they get their chicken.  It has to get worse before it will get better - maybe with a flash (armed revolution), maybe with a wimper (assasination and elections)....  but the toothpaste is already out of tube for this go'round - no putting it back. '
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I DO look forward to the 'get better' part, and I'll be happy to pitch in to get there'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the beauty of the Con.  It's a living document meant to evolve with the times.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suspects that some of you do not read the drivel you post
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, what doomed the constitution were people who went around saying "you can't fight city hall". Every time the government diminished their rights, they bent over so that they could stick in farther. For a country so bent on freedom they sure have a wimpy population.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you aren't even here, something is seriously fucked up in your head for you to get so bent out of shape about it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"wimpy" has been a part of the grand strategy since the early eighties (and probolby earlier)... programs like the schools 'anti bullying' campaignes are breeding generations of children who are dependent on the system to fight their battles - when they are grown, they will depend on government for the same.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, I am sorry. I'll petition the government to put a collar around me so that they can track me just like they track dolphins and other animals.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'task, (moles speaking as though yellow-bellied capitulationists abjectly surrendering to corrupt authority)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you seriously asking to get roofied?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the FACT is... Americans still get a vote - and they are voting for free chicken.  Once they have eaten all the chicken, and the government starts feeding them proccessed soy product - we'll go back to the way it was.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we know what happens to the votes. Or were to hibernating in 2000?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'were you*'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'irregularities to be sure... but not decisivley so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are saying that the irregularities don't affect the outcome.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wait - that was the 'hanging chad' fiasco - ya... that was messed up'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '2000 was a diversion meant to conjure up a problem when there wasn't actually one.  The result was formally decided twice by the one guy the election law SAID was supposed to decide it (Jeb Bush, in this case)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how nice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Jeb Bush, an even bigger crook than GW, attests to the constitutionality of the Florida vote. How cute.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now your making judgements'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as opposed to offering opinion'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just what crimes has Jeb Bush been convicted of?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not making judgments, it is well documented that Jeb and his partners fleezed the real estate market in Florida for a reported 150M'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since you claim he's a crook'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he is a crook, and he can sue me if he feels I am defaming him.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'provide the documents, please'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't have to provide the documents. It is all documented. Do the research yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't have to prove it to him... this is the debate channel... you just have to convince US'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, if you want to think that Jeb is an honest person, you are entitled to your fantasies. I won't attempt to change your mind.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in this case, the burden of proof is on you (the accusor)... since you don't wanna provide any... your argument is moot'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not accusing, merely reporting.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you are stating as fact - without any support for your claim.... moot'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as I said, you don't have to accept it. Which seems to be how you want to go since you already made the claim that since Jeb Bush approved of the election in Florida, it couldn't possibly have been crooked. That was a judgment in your part. So I am merely taking the opposite position.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Jeb Bush's associates were Oliver North and Gen. Secord. '
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to men that made the US proud.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but hey, your idol might become president in 2016. So there is hope :>'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who said Jeb approved the election?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Anaristos the new Chemosh clone -- the reverse debating is so Chemosh'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you made the claim, Hanslanda. You said that Jeb  approved the results twice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'go back to sleep, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But what about our rights to privacy? What if I don't want you to have my DNA in a database?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I didn't.  He VOTED twice (I think it was some sort of appointment affidavit).  The first time was thrown out for some timing reason, but the courts didn't change the process any.  They insisted he make it official via proper channels. so he drew up another one with the same recommendation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, try to invoke a right that will prevent them from collecting it :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this was all in election law prior to Al Gore's boneheaded call for review.  Had he kept quiet, Florida would have gone to him and he would've won the prez.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the fact is, DeathSyte, that once the people allowed the Patriot act to become law, they were screwed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe, but the USSC was acted unconstitutionally and got away with it. Congress just sat on its collective hands.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'weren't we including dna in the child safety campaigns to combat milk-carton kids?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by definition, SCOTUS can't act unconstitutionally.  They ARE the arbiters of constitutionality.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gee, and that doesn't worry you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is Anaristos is that the bill of rights actually doesn't grant any rights to us. Those ammendments are there to limit what government can do with them. Even without the Bill of Rights we all still have the rights mentioned in the document.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Can you guys come up with a more interesting debate? Oh Oh! Which creature sucks more, scorpions or black widows?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The rights are inherent and inailiable or dare I say *gasp* God given...'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what would you have, Anaristos?  What kind of government?  what kind of law enforcement?  what kind of local government?  what would work for you?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is where you are wrong. Both 9USAmend and 14USAmend grant all the rights anyone needs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'black widows suck more.  Gotta keep the old geezer happy until they off him for his pension.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '"all the rights anyone NEEDS" ....wow lol.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and aren't scorpions just spiders with a tail?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Wrong! My question was an analogy to the shitty options both sides of the American political spectrum offer. AH HA!'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no more than lions are feral house cats. '
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Anaristos - what's your solution?  how do we fix it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we need a revolt, to re-establish the republic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I already said that... what else?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not advocating violence. You can have a non-violent revolt. One can start by recalling all elected government officials and keep doing so until they start doing the will of the people.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'grab a gun and start shooting.  Since in your view Republicans are just as bad as Democrats and maybe Independants aren't much better than either, there's really no way you can miss.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I haven't made my views on Democrats or Republicans known :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Anaristos - where will you get the authority to have a non-violent revolt and recall elected officials?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'weren't you the one who referenced "shitty options" on either side of the spectrum?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I tink that was cutt'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Anaristos - where will you get the authority?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, my bad.  Still, it'll be interesting for Aard to finally have a horse in that race.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That was me, and I stand by it. Only difference I've seen, as an impartial observer of the political system in the U.S, between Democrats & Republicans are the colour of tie they wear when they fuck you out of your money. :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Cuthbert must come from Utopiatittyland...I'm jealous.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe we can even drum up a ton of support for him on KickStarter.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't need the authority, all I need is signatures :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... where do you get the signature to recall elected officials?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You should be, man. Utopiatittyland is awesome, you guys should move here!'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'afterall, they got there by being voted for in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos previously praised Oliver North and Gen. Secord as two men that made the US proud. -- that seems republican'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how is getting signatures different from the elections that got them into office in the first place?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he was being sarcastic then, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem with elected officals, anywhere in the world, is that they think that are being elected to godhood. They need to understand that when way say public servant we are not being euphemistic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'agreed... but I still don't see a solution'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seeing as how at least one of them is on Jeb Bush's side of the table and Ana's been railing against him for a good hour.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right, a politicians job should be really simple. Some shit comes up for a vote. is it constitutional? If so vote yes, if not then vote no.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the entire Bush family is crooked. So one has to wonder how  they attain high office.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's not what voting is for, unless you're a bench-warming deatheater.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they make bets with the Kennedys and Roosevelts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who also were crooked :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well what if we just wait until they give us a reason to shoot them?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is there an american politician that you DON'T think was crooked, Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Joe bought Illinois so that Jack could win :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I haven't found one yet.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Ron Paul maybe?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Kennedy clan were nazis.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not imagining their crookedness, history attests to it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so we can accept the fact that all pploticians are crooked?  in which case... how is your level of crookedness even an issue in this conversation'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Joe was a crypto-nazi but I wouldn't make that claim about the sons. The Bush family, on the other hand, worked for the Nazis.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bill Clinton (with the end of term surplus) seemed okay'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we can effectivly null out "crookedness' as a discriminator in politics... so what's the REAL issue, Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I mean they literally were Nazis.  They were so good at it that the Euro Nazis under Hitler decided they had to be dealt with.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Even "Mr.Smith Goes to Washington" with Jimmy Stewart is based on the premise of a lie'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they can be as crooked as they want, Vonliege. What they do with that  crookedness is the point. JFK and Clinton, in spite of being crooked, did good for the people. You can't say that about either Bush or Nixon, for instance.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'more to the point, it seems that whatever crookedness JFK and Clinton were involved, it pre-dated their presidencies.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they didn't push their agenda while being president. We look at what GW did, how much money his criminal friends made, he made LBJ look like a boy scout.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and Wii U comes with this gimmick where you have to buy non-electronic accessories to even unlock/progress in games.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait until they start up with the pre-order and limited-edition stuff like they did with Pokemon.'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So will the Xbox 1 recover from it's PR failiure?'
T3/r7/2013-06-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably not, but it might not be that big of a loss since game consoles are getting to be like PCs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i have been watching these science videos in youtube. its funny how badly the smart people tend to explain stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'one of the hazards of being smart, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm, the interviews are usually dumbed down quite a bit or they assume you know those important details by default.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'were you not able to follow the videos?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'depends. i hate susskind:)'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'susskind?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mhmh'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm having a hard time following you... you assume that I know important details by default'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like "susskind", and "mhmh"'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'Susskind - he is a lecturer. '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and why do you "hate" him?  did he steal a girl from you?  kick you in the jimmy?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no, he explains badly.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but thinks he does a good job'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Woman arrested for asking cops at her front door asking to search her house for a warrant'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're so screwed'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what's the rest of the story?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'What'd she ask them?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like it'll be the best thing that ever happened to her, once the lawsuit settles'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.myfoxlubbock.com/news/local/story/slaton-police-lubbock-wrongful-arrest-warrant/0vJ1Rr-6OkqWHtfsUtvqGg.cspx'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately, litigation isn't the point - payouts come from TAXPAYERS'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something needs to be done more permanently, like firing or jailing police chiefs that let this shit happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, that's a pretty damn stupid decision on the part of the cops.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, cuthbert, and i see multiple stories just like this EVERY DAY'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'i mean expecting any level of intelligence from the cops in the first place is a joke'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I've known a few cops here in Canada, and they were great people. I don't judge cops based on the actions of idiots, but I do judge the idiots.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are stupid cops... just like there are stupid mud players... the woman needs to get paid, and the arresting cop needs to be severly punished, or even fired.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fired'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's likely what will happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Even if most are "good people" their training is to be a stormtrooper nazi. And that goes for all of them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not likely to happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cops aren't trained to be 'stormtroopers"... that's just crazy talk'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Well couldn't he be charged with illegal confinement? Or hell, nail him with kidnapping. Police officer or not he had no authority to take her, so doing so was kidnapping.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'lets all be thankful there is no violent crime in america, good thing the cops have their priorities in order'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he could, but chances are the police chief will stick up for her'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'him'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Would be akin to me walking down the street, grabbing some woman and locking her up for a day. Neither of us had the authority to arrest in that situation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not a policeman, you don't work for the man'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're a 'little person', you have no rights'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you'd have very few cops if you held everyone to that scrutiny, Cutbert'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you pay 60% of your wages in tax and do what you're told'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not really Von.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The biggest issue (And this is not just in cops, but also in teachers, etcetera) is when the decent ones close ranks to protect the non-decent ones'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There's a very simple process in terms of arresting. Warrant, witness or at least SOME motive for the arrest.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'with that kind of stadnard, Cuthbert... cops would be going to jail the first time they made a mistake... noones is going to work under those conditions'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'This was a pure "Do what I say or I lock you up" with no grounds to do so in the first place.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this wasn't a "mistake", vl'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this was someone acting like a tyrant because they have a badge'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There's making a mistake, and there's willful overstepping of authority, Von.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the THAT cop will be reprimaded... likely lose some pay... and be a better cop next time'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'power-hungry tyrants don't 'get better''
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right Tigernuts, because like I said they are TRAINED to oppress people.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the sort of person you don't WANT in any kind of authority'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can't know that he's a 'power hungry tyrant''
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are -now-'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the evidence strongly suggests it, BL'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's for the courts to decide'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the courts aren't deciding on that'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly, that sort of behavior is the sort of thing that ought to cost someone a job. Legitimate mistake, or something like having seen an armed gunman run into her house and then having her stall him at the door, would be one thing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right. Just like they will arrest people for "wiretapping" as in filming them with their camera phones. The cop knows that those get thrown out of court but police forces all over are still trained to make an unlawful arrest.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'legitimate mistake, like having a warrant for the wrong address or something.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's step away from 'cops' for a second... how about other professions?  like oh... teachers.  are we going to start firing teachers when a student gets a failing grade?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not an equivalent situation, vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... how on earth is a cop willfully breaking the law an equivalent situation to a teacher having a student fail for whatever reason?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an equivalent situation would be expelling a student permanently because you didn't like him'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'failure... they're both failures'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, or even failing a student because you didn't like him'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they're not failures'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'the real solution is to require everyone to take bongrips, keeps the peace i tell ya'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can't MAKE a student learn. :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or rather, the difference between deliberate abuse and accidental error'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'arresting someone because she asks for a warrant is deliberate abuse'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what about firing a doctor who amputates the wrong leg?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'how the fuck do you amputate the wrong leg? '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also... back to the cop... what ELSE was said?  how do we know the woman didn't say "get your nigger ass off my porch, bitch.  you're not getting my son"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Why would that matter? He didn't even HAVE a warrant anyways AFAIK'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'name calling shouldnt justify denying constitutional rights von'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we only know what the WOMAN said she said'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, i agree with DeathSyte'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what the fuck would it matter what she said to him, unless it was 'I have a gun and I'm gonna shoot you''
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BUT... it WOULD add an extra facet to the argument'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'he shouldnt have even been near the porch without a warrant'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he still did not have a warrant'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if she said that, he should have walked away and got a warrant'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it happens too often that surgeons amputate the wrong limb'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what if she said "I have a gun and I'm going to shoot you"?  we don't know that she DIDN'T say that'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a position of authority and power over people, you HAVE to hold yourself and be held to a higher standard than the joe public'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'we don't know that she did either, but we DO know that the police didn't have a warrant.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police aren't disputing the facts'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is MOST likely that the cop got a hair up his ass and hauled her in... and he should be punished for it... but not destroyed'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an example needs to be made, either busting down to a desk job, or firing'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'traffic duty'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'busting down would be appropriate... but give him a chance to recover and be better'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if he gets a slap on the wrist, nothing happens to dissuade the next guy from doing something similar.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd trust him with traffic duty? I wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it needs to be a serious enough punishment to make others take notice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'written final warning, too, maybe'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'good GOD!... you all act like everyone should be perfect at everything!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not everyone, just policemen and politicians'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not perfect, but not deliberately breaking the law either.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there is plenty of room for honest error and I would give slack for that.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'OMG... that car just did a rolling stop at the stop sign... haul him out of the car and kick his ass!... no... KILL him!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the fuck?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the sort of attitude this cop displayed, VL'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'thing is cops HATE when you excersice your rights. Cops do not have to tell the truth either. They can lie under the law and try to scare you into complying.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have NEVER met a cop that 'hated' that I excercised my rights.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'please stop throwing up strawman arguments, nobody said to kill the policeman, just that someone who has so little respect for due process and the law should find a different line of work than ENFORCING the law he doesn't give a shit about.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and fwiw, every single interaction I've ever had with a policeman has been either good or neutral. Not one bad interaction. But even 1% assholes still leaves a hell of a lot of assholes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I say the cop just had a bad day, and made a bad decision... noone was physically hurt or killed... the woman is going to get a huge payout... and her son is still a delinquent'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and you need to find ways to weed out the 1% of assholes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a time where the feds are performing a rolling takeover, you definitely need to weed the 1% of assholes out of the state and county troops'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well I wonder what your interactions with the police actually were Majic and Von.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'consider... that cop who's an asshole today MAY be the cop that tells his boss to stuff it when he sees the police takeover coming... '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come off it'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unlikely, he sounds like the sort of craven asshole who kisses the ass of his boss'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Did you know that in NYC you can't be a police officer if your IQ test comes back to high? I wonder why that is...hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'Lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the one who upholds the law is far more likely to do that'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next you'll be saying Obama will transform his administration into a transparent, constitution-loving band of angels'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'deathsyte: interactions include -- speeding tickets/warnings, fix-it tickets for a headlight being out or something like that, and being helped out at the side of the road with a broken-down vehicle'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I love debate always makes me laugh xD'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably better that than making you angry'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well add something to the debate or shut your clap hollister:P'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'jk Hollister, I was just setting a trap.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'ok, give me a sec and ill add something to the debate'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hollister is now going afk to take a shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mirite?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'damn tigernuts how did you know?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert farts in the direction of Tigernuts.  Better flee before she turns to you!
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with age comes wisdom ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But really Majic your appearence, the car you drive and where you were driving it are all factors.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'with wisdom comes age..'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Cops love me because I'm polite, white and well educated.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, ds'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'lol you must be so old you fart in your pants'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, cops don't like educated people here'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'what does white have to do with it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'racist!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it has a lot to do with it, my black friends can tell you all about being pulled over and hassled for going 32 in a 30.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm white, and I"VE been pulled over for going 57 in a 55'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If you are a black dude in the hood and the cop asks to search you and you say no, you can bet they'll call backup, dogs helicoptor. All in the name of getting another peice of human capital into the for-profit run prisons.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, but multiple times?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh jeez... get out the foil hats!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'racist stereotype'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Are you going to argue that prisons are not privately owned and generate profit Von?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'traffic cops here do go after old cars, especially "boy racer" cars, looking to escalate to a drugs bust'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'don't take off the foil hats, the aliens will brainwash you!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'prisons are nothing less than hotels'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri gallantly tips his foil-hat
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'with poor room service'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'LOL!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'obviously foil hats is debate ender'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'seems so'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I think foil hats is kind of a sign that someone in the conversation is ready to just disregard everything in favour of belittling a valid argument... and who wants to bother at that point? ;)'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But really, schools even in the US have ZERO tolerance policies all over the country. For the stupidest things you can imagine children are handcuffed and arrested all in the name of getting more people into the system.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'Another debate! yay'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very true, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sign of a feeble intellevt'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'intellect*'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"I think A = X" "Uh oh, better get the tinfoil hats out!" you disagree, but that doesn't mean the argument is the stuff of paranoid delusion.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be, but usually isn't. Hyperbole maybe, exageration? Extrapolation not supported by the facts?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'err...I no speak english'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well notice how Von disappeared.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VL is a good bloke, he has a habit of sometimes defending the indefensible though'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Doesn't want to consider what I have said, and yet has no argument against.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I love debate. except when people start using big words that I don't understand'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are you having trouble with, Hollister?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i cant debate in english:('
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can you debate in?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mother tongue'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'debating in another language then your native gives you a disadvantage'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'anything that involves cars'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'Lots of stuff, I'm not born english its my second language. but after you guys debated I look it up in the big book of words(dictonary) thats why I don't partake in debates'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's how you learn, man.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Hey how about this one? The Supreme court ruled that the fifth amendment only applies if you verbally invoke it. If not your silence can be used against you in court.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shout if you don't understand something'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I've been practicing my French by reading children's books. There's no respectable, effective way to learn a language :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'cool, I'll do so'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'once you talk in another language, you think in that language. the trouble is, there is not enough.. hm. brain connection.. things'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't talk or think in another language. I applaud those who can'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'does anyone speak afrikaans by chance?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'LOTS of S. Africans on here, I'm sure someone does :x'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Mael waves a large bright rainbow sign reading "UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Though it's getting pretty late for them right now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nod, they are in GMT+1 I think.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I know, its like almost 1am'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'well debate about something...like the excistance of life'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Where were you before YOU even existed!?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is little room for debate. Life exists in as far as we perceive it. It cannot be argued further'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I never was good at debating. and I'm done trolling for now'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'once someone says that life is sacred, the debate is over'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal *WHAM"!
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '>:('
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'life begins at ejaculation...masturbation is murder'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert sobs in misery.
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sacred is a term based around personal opinion, so is not helpful'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'by the billions'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'My goal is to masturbate enough to get onto the U.N's Top 10 War Criminals list.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'LOL xD, oh god I killed thousands of children'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'those little phishes. they all gonna die on the napkin:('
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Though I "Raid"'ed an ant hill the other day in my brother's backyard and I already feel like a war criminal for it. Poor little guys. :('
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'so mean'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That stuff was naaaaasty, sizzled when it dripped onto the grass.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I like to pour hydrogen peroxide into the anthill...And then rubbing alcohol. To clean the place up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'ants can be pretty nasty'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ants are nasty. but moles are the worst:('
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they have brains too so its a REAL murder. we used gasoline'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'is there life on another planet? just out of intrest'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes Hollister.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'murderer!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'To believe there isn't is insane.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inevitably, yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'ants have the largest brains for their body weight'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'there is? Awesome!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you can use sonic mole pikes to get rid of moles.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or well, I never tried them myself so I don't know if they really work.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but the incects that dogs have. there. no english:(.. have the biggest dicks'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Considering the size of the Universe based solely on what we know about the concentration of galaxies, and planets within galaxies, there are probably trillions upon trillions of planets out there. Some of them are bound to have life.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'size doesnt matter'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'all matter fit in a tea spoon once'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I've heard of people saying there's more humans out there. that we havn't discovered yet or that was a movie'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I think you're thinking of Star Gate >.>'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'oh, well I heard that when I was extremely small so you can't blame me'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Now, it being said that statistically speaking there's a far better chance of there being life in the Universe, than not, I don't believe we'll ever meet them :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'so if there was "aliens" why havn't they found us yet, I mean if you're right surely there should be a race more advanced than us'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'life != intelligent life'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the distances involved are so gigantic, and the universe so massive, that dozens of intelligent species could co-exist and never bump into each other or detect one another'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also who says that interstellar travel is even possible?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'according to current scientific knowledge, it is not'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sci-fi writers mostly'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'because as far as we know, Hollister, the theory of relativity is right and warp travel is impossible. No matter how advanced a species is, they're still constrained by physics (unless they've found a way around physics :p) which means the sheer distance between us and them is insurmountable.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'To meet aliens they'd need to be physics bending super-beings, or immortal and have nothing better to do then spend a few hundred/thousand years flying over to say Hi.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'or maybe they have found us but do not contact us due to the fact that if they do. we would jump to far into the future causing us to skip ages making us cross lines not supposed to be crossed. if that makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yes. Or they believe in the Prime Directive. One or the other. :x'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, getting to "intelligent life" is a low probability event. Could just be that very few lifeforms have reached that point yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we could be the first'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or there could be ancient races, including ones that have wiped out'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Or they're really the Illuminati.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Saint Cuthbert for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert looks at Tigernuts with a pout on her face.  What is she, six?
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'so if spaceships aint gonna have hyper drives, then I'm guessing time travel aint happening either'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time travel is possible in one direction only'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, Michael J Fox did in Back to the Future part 2 '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they, the scientists, have just begun to understand what the space really is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'if time travel were possible. we still wouldn't be able to change it, because doing that would just change it for a few seconds. change again, and what if you had to, if you changed it and it left you to die the next day. then the one that went to the past would die too. and there would be a giant rip in time?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'all explained in Back to the Future '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Time traveling into the past is a moot point anyway. Anyone who has changed the past in the future, has already changed the past. So the past we know right now is the only past possible.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'damn, I made no sense'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Skynet was fucked from the start. Clearly its attempt to kill John failed because he was still alive in the present despite the attempt on his life being made 15 years earlier!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'its scary, to think that our lives could actually be controlled by us from the future'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'there will be no time travelling near future'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Unless you are FROM the future.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'Ooo, but if you had to go into the past then you won't excist in the future anymore. because your past would do the same all the time. then it would just lead you to being no excistint'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Now I don't know what to believe.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Michael J. Fox is gay.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'gay with parkinson. that supersad'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'and if you made a bad choice in the past. and you change it by going into the past. then you would have no need to change it. and then it will just happen again. so the fact is time travel would be useless'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well it would be useful for observation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I guess so, but you can't do anything otherwise you'll just start an loop'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'We could find our orgins as a human species. We could find out what really happened to Hitler. '
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'We could observe Dinosuars and study their behavior.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'yeah, ok it would be kind of usefull'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Problem is if you made a bad choice in the past, you can't possibly go back and change it because if you do, you'd have been there when the choice was made initially and yet still you made the bad choice. The past has a sense of inevitability to it. Any changes we could make to it have already been made :x'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'actually it could save millions of lives. by looking into the future. we could find the cure for aids and cancer. man I take it back, someone build a time machine!'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'time is very confusing'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I scared everyone away with my time question. or maybe I went back in time and killed them all... Guess I'll know when it happens'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well wouldn't travelling through time also be travelling through parrellel universes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So anywhere that "I" am would be the present. So if I went to the 1940's and killed hitler it would not change any history except the new timeline I created.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I don't think so, each parrallel universe should have its own time'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wish I had a PhD in Hypothetical Physics so I could absolutly STOMP on this conversation.... I go nothin.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'wow, just think how many "time paths" there could be, each one Changing, opening more branches due to the fact we make our own choices, and those branches turn into more branches, that goes on and on'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'read 'cascade point'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'maybe I should write a book about time'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'by timothy zahn'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'whats the book about?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah isn't it said that evertime a particle has to make a choice a entire reality is branched off based on that choice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '?'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'time travel and alternate realities... but from the point of view that 'starship captains' in the book, in order to navigate space, have to travel thru spots where possible 'other' selves manifest themselves... many captains go mad - dangeroudss work'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'Thats what I'm saying, every nano second were opening more branches, within time all with different Things happening in different paces. and later turns into a tree of seperate worlds. with different versions of us. that kind of makes it parrallel universes'
T3/r7/2013-06-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'sounds intresting I'll have a look at it'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'silver prices down again!'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damned cross at my retarded government, and even worse, at my local MP'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'british politicians are seriously considering allowing corporations to poison the ecosystem, destroy farming, and poison the public'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't we lucky?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'arent most nations doing that now anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, GMO has a blanket ban in the EU except for two specific, independently tested strains'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'eat the modified stuff, or people will starve'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no food shortage'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'don't buy it'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is there a food shortage, then? USA habitually has a surplus even after planting crops for fuel. Loads of UK land is set-aside and we're even wasting growing land on solar farms'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no food shortage. Any food shortage is fabricated by greedy commodity traders'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a far bigger problem with transportation, distribution, and warlords taking foods to resell them for guns than there is with lack of food'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides which, GMO crops do not significantly raise yield'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in many cases reduce yield, not to mention the horrendous damage to the ecosystem and to consumers'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<Shrug> don't buy the product, then'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you allow GMO, you don't get a choice'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: '"horrendous damage to the ecosystem and consumers"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'me not buying it doesn't stop me or the ecosystem being poisoned by it, or the agricultural sector being screwed over by it'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you grow crops that make their own pesticide, it gets into the food chain'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think you are over-dramatizing the detrimental effects'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm under-dramatising the effects of a couple of specific GMO strains, not GMO products in general'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I want to know more about the horrendous damage'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you kill off the bugs, you not only reduce the amount of food available to the next level in the food chain, but also you get those same chemicals into that food chain, STUFF DIES'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people growing those Montsanto crops are having to plant refuge crops just to give bugs somewhere to go'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, we should be feeding the bugs'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you jumped a rail there... "Bugs"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you talking about the pest resistant strains of plants?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm talking about strains of plants that generate their own pesticides'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'honeybees are in serious danger due to gmo'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and they're sort of essential for many plants to pollinate'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many of these gmo crops have not been adequately tested for safety'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'honey bees are in serious danager because their handelers haul them all over creation and back trying to make a buck'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a 30 day health trial on humans conducted by Montsanto themself isn't a sufficient test'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GMO should be subject to a 20yr health and ecosystem study'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wild honeybees are suffering as well.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'before being allowed into the food chain'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'meanwhile, we'll use good old fashioned DDT?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about no?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tiger, don't you have the option to buy meat, vegetables or other products that are produced without everything from pesticides to antibiotics?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'atrazine, then?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, ElFeneri, not without labelling'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'organic (in the us) cannot include gmo, but almost all unlabelled does.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'corn, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, in Sweden you can.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's GMO plants or pesticides... there's no getting around that - unless you buy ceritified, or grow your own'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ecosystem damage does not recognise political borders, ElFeneri'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's balls, Vl'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the point was, as Vonliege said, don't buy it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are pesticides that aren't poisonous, and there are alternative to those too'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I, for one, have a hard time growing tomatoes without Sevin® dust'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cut worms and beetles get them otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'our chickens love cutworms'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i said,my choice not to buy GMO (even if i could, if it were labelled, which it ISN'T so it's a null argument to start with) doesn't prevent the ecosystem being fucked up by those who DO produce GMO'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well argue "well,  you don't have to let off nukes, just let other people do it"'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'If ppl decide it's bad and don't buy it, to whom will they sell it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still not seeing it... the bugs will just go eat something else'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't control what other people do, Elf, and the government are pushing it through'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bugs will be DEAD, VL'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but they're not, they're eating the food that they're used to and dying'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what are the death rates?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'per 100,000'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because it's not just killing the bad bugs, but the good bugs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'everything starts with YOU doing something, then you convince your wife, children, parents, colleagues, friends to do the same.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts rolls his eyes in disgust at a hypnotized elf.
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or you can just talk about it :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'about 1/3 of the honeybee colonies in the us died last year'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bee population has been hit around 70% here'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the honey bees die because of handler abuse... they drag them 1000s of miles every year'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's utter bullshit, vonliege, sorry, our bees don't move, so how do you explain that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, bee colonies were just dropping dead'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You have already been instructed that that's incorrect, but keep repeating bullshit that you know to be untrue, it makes you sound real smart.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but there are sustainable ways of growing and producing things. Usually they cost more because they have a lower yield then the ones producing with the help of pesticides etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some of them are trucked around, some of them are not, but they are ALL dying.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'than*'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US... the corperate bee companies contract out to bring bees to areas where pollination is needed... then they haul them off to the next spot... and the next - so on and so forth... the bees get stressed out and die'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus christ, you know i'm not a liberal lefty green, people claim i'm far right (which i'm not either), but i work within a science organisation that monitors wildlife health, so i know what i'm talking about'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but those are not the only bees that are dying'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if those were the only bees that were dying that would be true.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vonliege: honeybees, which live at one place and NEVER leave, dropped dead in DROVES'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'actually abe, honeybees ARE trucked around for pollination services, but whether they are trucked around or not doesn't seem to matter whether they die or not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bees which had lived the exact same way as thousands of colonies before them'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'majic: remove my comma'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'k, makes more sense that way.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not "in the industry", so I'm not as well versed as some of you... but I AM well read - as I recall from everything I've read, the honey bees are still a mystery'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're about 5 years out of date, VL'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"honeybees which live at one place and never leave..."'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lemme go refresh my reading for a minute'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/sep/28/study-gm-maize-cancer'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2013/apr/04/monsanto-protection-act-gm'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok.. .I just scanned 7 different news sites (mostly 'progressive') including the huffington post, think progress, The guardian (UK), Scientific America, and Bees Free (Saving hives - saving lives).  All of the articles agreed (more or less) that bee populations are down about 32%.  Honeybee Colony Collapse Disorder, as it is called, was attributed to: Global Warming, Radiation, Chemicals (specifically neonicotinoids), and agressive relocation practices (hauling them around for $$).  No where in any of the articles did it mention GMO, and nowhere did any of these sources site a single cause as THE culprit.  It's still a mystery.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'roundup, the chemical that gmo maize is resistant to, that it generates?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'bah, you're spoiling a good conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a big link between them, and it's called Montsanto'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is SO STINKING MUCH money and initiative behind 'watchdaog' organization that would LOVE to bring down Monsanto - if this is such a smoking gun, why does Monsanto still exist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said this right at the start, the issue isn't GMO, it's corporations with no moral, ethical, or humanitarian interest, looking to dominate a market, create a monopoly, and have absolutely no interest in how much damage they do'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because Montsanto have people within the EPA'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they spend a huge amount of money on lobbying'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'but GMO causes horrendous damage to the ecosystem and to consumers'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also Monsanto bought out a company that does genetic research and engineering on bees. Hmmmm, maybe they WANT to kill bees and then sell people their own GMO resistant bees?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'untest, unchecked, and conducted for purely financial gain? yes, it does'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ever hear of thalidomide? agent orange? asbestos? cigarettes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not taling about the EPA - thats a GOV organization, and near worthless... I'm talking Green Peace - Amnysty international, UNICEF, etc... they'd ALL love to sink their teeth into Monsanto, and have no conflict of interest.. if Monsanto is such a big evil machine - how has it survived?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'if it's untested and unchecked, how do you know that it causes horrendous damage?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ooooh... good one'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf? UNICEF? they have no interest in MOntsanto, Green Peace were co-opted by corporations decades ago'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'yeah, asbestos was a really good construnction material in the 50s :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see previous statement, Vost'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'construction*'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if something has the capacity to screw up your ecosystem, you should test it first'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ask Marie Curie how doing shit without considering health consequences goes'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'she had no reson to believe that she was dealing with something that lethal'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask all the gulf war veterans who died/got serious injured by those cunts that lied about the chemical weapons that they got covered with the fallout of when they blew up Saddam's chemical weapon store. Ask the first responders who went to 9/11 aftermath who got told they didn't need masks, then dropped like flies due to the toxic dust'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, ElFeneri, and it killed her'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think the biggest hinderence to any sort of public awareness, TG, is that for YEARS, the media has been telling us every couple weeks that XXX causes CANCER - OMG.....and the population in general is numb'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it did, but in her case there was little reason to worry about it since no one knew what the stuff was'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because it does, VL, you seen the meteoric rise in cancer rates, digestive disorders and autism spectrum disorders?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or the effect it has on living organism'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then lets test the stuff, ffs, why would you be against that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what stuff Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GMO'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Everything GMO isn't bad'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never said it was, ElF, the John Innes institute does stirling work near where i live trying to make crops that will grow in arid soil'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they're a charity and do it for altruistic aims'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No, but I think that it should have to be tested by people who aren't the corporation and for a longer period than 90 days.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they test it properly'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'infact, all crops we have today is a result of thousands of years of GMO by our ancestors. Or domesticated animals for that matter.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not strictly true'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cross breeding is limited by biological compatibility, ensures only similar species crossbreed. GMO technology has no such restriction'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it was amazingly hard for our ancestors to insert pig genes into tomatoes, they just couldn't find tweezers small enough'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't something you can afford to get wrong'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'talk about 'messing with the gene pool'... how about the millions of unproductive mouths that get fed despite their ability to produce anything of worth?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a whole different argument'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yet, with climate changes and pests spreading you'd probably not be able to grow anything that wasn't modified to be naturally resistant to drought or certain insects for instance'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'different, to be sure - but related'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming wouldn't cause crops not to grow'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure it would'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'some areas will increase in rainfall and others will decrease, so there will definitely be a shifting which will cause crops traditionally grown in an area not to work'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but some currently arid areas are projected to increase in moisture as well'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'upheaval in weather patterns attributed to 'global warming' cause drought and flood'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'increased CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere will increase crop yields where environments are suitable'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's balls, VL'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is 'balls' a british way of saying 'wrong'?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"comically wrong"'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'k'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'global warming is NOT a nice, predictable and even rise of the planets tempurature... it's weather chaos'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the predictions were true (which they're not) then some places would get more severe weather, other places more benign'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's self balancing'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so when nebraska, kansas and oklahoma (the grain belt) suddenly get LESS rain... that's not going to impact food production?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said they'll get less rain?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'I'll make it even easier for you, how is paying money going to make the planet "feel" better. '
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why wouldn't it be balanced by a different dry area getting more rain?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who knows?  it can't exactly be predicted, can it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts claps at Acidangel's performance.
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and all the farmers and rich top soil are just going to move to the place that is getting more rain?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't something that happens over night, it takes decades'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'because dirt has a habit for getting up and moving itself all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well I say it's never too late to get the GMO thing down so were ready for anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'IF it happens (and evidence is that the current predictions are deeply flawed) then farmers may have to change crop types and techniques'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'certainly, but we should have testing done by people not affiliated with the company'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like GMO?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You don't trust Monsanto?'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think there will be GMO varieties that will be able to grow ANYWHERE with in 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'heathen'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haha'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'gmo already exist in the food chain. your a little behind..'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and the hopping back and forth between the FDA and positions at monsanto causes me to say 'throw ALL the bastards out''
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and Monsanto (and companies like them) will be cheered'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '..or because of deforestation for example which changes climate locally. With "gene modification" it's still possible to grow drought resistant maize in the same area where the original maize failed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you might even be able to grow wheat on the old Chernoble site'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the possibilites with GMO are endless.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'amazing wheat, each stalk will have 2-3 heads'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you talk as if it currently doesn't happen?  its everywhere...'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but still one must be careful what is done. My point is anyway that all GMO is not bad.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the wheat also grows a pound of bacon on the stalk!'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I am agreeing with you -- but I don't trust companies that need to legislate protection for themselves and where the incestuous relationship with the FDA has been continuing recently.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm going to go see if I still have a family... BBL'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this back-patting between governments and corporations caused the global financial crisis'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is the source of greed and corruption that has led to record low trust in governance'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'M.A.E.D. i believe is working your looking for.'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grr what'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Owning a bong or pipe in Florida has been made a felony. That's one seriously fucked up state government'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'peak oil!'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'pique oil'
T3/r7/2013-06-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'peek oil!'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he and another fellow (not sure where the other fellow picked up his morse code skills) would sit in class and have conversations in morse...  a very light thump thump thap thump thump thap'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, Immigrant bill would give legal status to people displaced by global warming. WTF?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and a Rolling Stones reporter who was researching a story on the Petraeus takedown, who had received death threats from people, believed to be secret service/intelligence operatives, dies in a 'high speed car wreck', where unlike every other car wreck involving that type/model of car, the engine ended up 100m away from the rest of it. Clearly didn't 'explode''
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the UK, you have to earn £18,600 before you can bring home a foreign spouse.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in the US, you have to pay $50k to bring over your illegal chinese son }:>'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you have to pay more than THAT to the chinese to buy the child in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the GCHQ and MI6 set up 'internet cafes' for the express purpose of probing delegates' computers, black berrys and smartphone during G20 summits in london.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Von, sounds like something Tiger would inform us about. :-P'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just wanted everyone to be in the know ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'annnnd there we go, RT reporting british intelligence has been tapping phone and internet lines, recording it all, and supplying it to the yanks. despite it being VERY illegal here'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the UK spies it's happy ASS off... legal or not'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the NSA and CIA are chumps compared to the GCHQ and MI6'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the US doesn't even HAVE a seperate 'eletronic spying' agency'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's lumped into the CIA and NSA'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and to a lesser extent - the FBI'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... what do any of US know about what's REALLY going on... I'd like to think that there are people out there doing what they do that none of us have any idea even exist.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you reckon the mass demonstrations in Brazil?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'taxes'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'aye'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'death'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you asked why they are flipping out in brazil, that is why'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, probably taxes in relation to wages/cost of living'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'mhm, exactly what the reason is'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'apparently people were stupid and thought all the World Cup stuff would be built for free.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt that has to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'economics + government = most people can't grasp'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, that is exactly what it is about'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'opposition to rising bus fares, corruption, evictions, taxes'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'yup, and those are going up why?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'because something is being built.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corruption is going up because of corruption'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'when you have central power you have corruption.. this isn't hard to understand'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they're spending tons of money because of the world cup, then it's being mishandled'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'People that can dictate the use of other people's money, tend to spend it inefficently.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grr inefficiently and ineffectively'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, that's why government needs to be kept small and local'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is why central based governments fail'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'or always need a boogy man to blame'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no coincidence that the world finances are going down the pot, people's living standards are deteriorating, and freedoms are being eaten away, all as governments become more centralised, bigger, and are grouping together into larger multinational unions'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Cite your sources.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an observation'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my source is me'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shue: 'is there a debate going on?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, what do you want to talk about?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shue: 'would like a discussion about aardwolf vs achaea, though i bet the majority would debate for aardwolf, as i would.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shue: 'which makes it pretty redundant, on second thoughts...'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have a horse in that race, though advertising other muds might be construed as against the rules. If not, it'd certainly be considered bad form'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'never felt the need to explore another mud than this one. This is alive and developing alot.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shue: 'i don't see it as advertising, as i would like to see people's opinions of another mud'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would tend to stick to matters of importance :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shue: 'i see this is a rather mature and serious channel. nevermind then.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry :-/'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there has been another shooting in US.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's several every day in chicago'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'perhaps not every day in Walmart'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are there was one in the UK too'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only debate to have over guns is when you're going to rip up existing regulation'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'freaking serious? somebody needed a source to confirm government centralization of power.. my god, get your head out of the sand'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you'll find that was a troll, aa'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'sometimes trolls just need to remember the phrase "never miss a good opportunity to shut the fuck up".'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'd hope that trolls are the first to be stuck through the meat grinder, but you know that they'll be the ones selling you down the river'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the word given to french that sold their neighbours to death at the hands of the germans?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'vichi... vichee... vicie?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, that's the one'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what trolls will turn out to be'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're that sort of person, morally vacuous'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cowardly'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when trying to counter the debate against centralized government... all I can come up with is the 'warlord' state of pre-columbian america'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's unlikely western nations would become warlord led, especially if you have a constitution'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, i'm not suggesting anarchy'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh oh oh... pre-renaissance europe... bunch of little lords always fighting each other'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, that's a different model :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a constitution based limited democracy is the way to go'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'THEY had local government... though 'government' would have to be applied loosly'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what comes first - food or population?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'is that a trick question?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of... only in that it's ment to stimulate a debate'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the answer is bread.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. we'll go with that... so bread comes first.. then population follows.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so if we were to reform that statement a wee bit...  we could say that population is dependent on bread... no bread, no population'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so let me light the rocket.... why the HELL are we working towards bigger and better means of feedining people?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or doesn't anyone take exception to that concept?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'because population growth doesn't have to be a problem. It can make for a more productive society.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there has to be a limit, though.... how about a quality over quantity?  don't you thiink there are enough people with nothing to do already?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'another two to ten billion people is NOT going to make a more productive society'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That is just because of our current systems. We could sustain 100 billion if more countries were an industrious society.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Is what you are suggesting is that we starve or possibly exterminate people to "control population"? I'm just asking I don't know or even think that is your stance.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... nothing so draconian as targets, focused or forced starvation, or extermination of ANY kind...  but in a subtle fashion, perhaps no less beastly - I think if there were only as much food as is available today, the population would stall out at it's current level.  People WOULD starve, but they aready are in some places anyway.  The population would find a balance pretty quick, I think.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not a naturalist, or a tree hugger, or a 'back to nature' freak, but look at virtually every species in the wild - if there's plentiful food, they breed.  If there's little food, birthrates drop.  Of course, there's always starvation in the wild as well.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but a species will almost ALWAYS breed just a little bit PAST what the resources will allow.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So, who do we need to stop feeding then Von? Africa or America?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Feed the productive. Eat the nonproductive. Soylent Green.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am betting Arnica is not from Africa.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I am betting I know where my food comes from every step of the way :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you grow your food, bully for you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Or know the people who do. Is that wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, that doesn't work. If you don't grow your own food you don't know where you food comes from. You operate under some theory.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'You are daft and a loner. I know human beings who grow food. I buy food from them. I know where the food comes from. Most people buy food from corporations and have no idea where it comes from, what is in it, or even what kind of organism produced it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you can guarantee that, for instance, those humans don't urinate on the food they sell you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'its grown in cow shit?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Human urine is 100% nontoxic and as close to sterile as you can get'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'still better then gmos'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I'd rather they didn't poop on it ..'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's not the point, the point is that you can't testify whether they do it or not. You operate under the assumption that they don't. You don't know. You assume.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'My point is I am happy with what I eat and where I get it, and you are not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'back to the original question about "who to feed"... let everyone eat what ever they are eating now... no need for anyone to "decide"'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'There you go again making assumptions. Unless, you can quote me as saying that I was unhappy with my food source.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the thing about the choice is that you don't volunteer to quit eating, you want someone else to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I get most ofmy food from the supermarket - I buy basic ingredients (flour, meat, sugar, vegetables, eggs, etc...) I then prepare the food at my home.  I also grow a small amount of food, but not nearly enough to sustain may family.  I DO, however, have the capacity to grow about 5000% more food than I currently do.  I also have the capacity (resources and knowlege) to raise livestock of just about any kind.  Personally, I am quite content with potatoes grown 6 states away by people I don't know, and picked by mexicans that are probobly illegals.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'can't keep race out of your statement, can you? :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because it is obvious that food picked by illegal Mexicans must be different that food picked  by white residents.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'he never made that assertion'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he implied it by mentioning the race.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'naw... mexicans are good at LOTS of stuff... not least impressive of which is the ability to work the fields all day... not many people can hack that'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no he didn't.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you just think through the prism of race.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the race of the picker is irrelevant, the fact that he mentioned means that he has a problem with it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you have a problem with truth then.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'race or not, his statement was correct.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I don't. I don't care if the pickers are White Russians, rednecks, or Mexicans. It would never occur to me to bring the subject of race up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but then again, I am not a US native. So I am not race conscious :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'apparently you are, i am native and race was not the first thing i thought about.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'THAT's a load of crap.... American is the most color blind nation in the world'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then why did you mention it? How does it apply to the subject?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you mentioned it, not i.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really, Vonliege? You must have been a comma for the last 200 years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how is it that a fellow can get SOO freaking bent about the mention of Mexican field workers?  who REALLY has the issue here?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I mentioned it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'how would a non-native know the consciousness of another nation?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Was I who said this?Personally, I am quite content with potatoes grown 6 states away by people I don't know, and picked by mexicans that are probobly illegals.''
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've lived abroad for over 50% of my middle aged life... I've seen plenty'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't say that the rest of the world is free of racism.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think most of the world is full of racism'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'medterainian europeans are the most clickish, unwelcoming of them all, followed by scandinavians, then eastern eupropeans...  south-west asians and asians are a near tie.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'have you bee all over the world?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't ask you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'except antartica'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you must have a reading comprehension issue or are a race nazi.  The topic being discussed was food and where it came from, the context of his statement went along with that, he just so happen to point out another truth which was not the main point of his statement.  You jumped on the race bait issue, no him.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I've been around and faced all sorts of racism.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, I know that the topic was food. I want to know what the race of the picker has to do with the subject.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'like i said, a race baiter'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a master race baiter?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you aware there there are some jobs real Americans don't wanna do?  Many of those are done by hispanics.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fine, just tell me what the race of the picker has to do with the subject of food.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is actually VERY LITTLE racism in developed societies... what there is is more akin to Bigotry... not racism.  "RACIST" is a grossly mis-used word... Hitler was a racist.  he thought his arian people should rule the world.  Not 'likeing' another race, and discriminating against them is not racism... it's bigotry'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'It says you do not understand context of conversations and "trigger" words divert you off track.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that wasn't the topic, Hanslanda. We were talking about knowing where the food one ate came from. He thought that the race of the food picker mattered.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you still haven't told me why you mentioned the race of the picker. What was the need?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, when one race (possibly two, but I understand it's hard out there for a pimp) willfully removes themselves from the pool of workers available for Job X it kinda does matter.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'people are finally waking up to the NBA being fixed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's focus on potatoes... why did I chose to single out potatoes in my example?  do I have a particular penchant for potatoes?  what about lettus?  or carrots?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the race of the picker matters when the subject is whether you know how your food is grown or not.  Why?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'carrots are picked by upper class native americans I bet'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'This is like talking to an iron ball.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know who picks carrots. My question is why do I have to be informed of the race of the picker.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the race of the picker doesn't matter one flick.. and the fact that you are so freaking tunnel-visioned in on it makes me think you have some SERIOUS race issues.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, if it doesn't matter one flick, why mention it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'he can't get over the race thing, trigger word flipped him mentally.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is EVERYONE so race-fixated where you come from?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'no it does not matter who picks them, but I guess the fact is that they are picked by non native americans. And I also guess there is a big chance that those would be the ones keeping a low profile and accepting to work under almost any cirumstances because they are there illegally. Hence, cheap labour.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you brought the race up out of context. It had nothing to do with the topic of  conversation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it almost seems debilitating.  you can't even mention a particular race in passing without a grand jury to get to the bottom if it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why mention a race at all?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why do you care?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why arent you mad that I singled out potatoes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because when he mentioned it out of context, so I want to know why.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'why is he mad you speak truth?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not the one getting angry :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but your mad he is bringing attention to it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'hitler did that too ya know.. how did that work out for the jews?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hehe, can't keep from bringing races up :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you sir Anaristos - are a RACE BAITER.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'I sure hope my NBA comment didn't bring up Race'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what do you have against the jews?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they rule the world now.  Lesson to be learned: do your best to piss someone off enough that they go postal on you.  Sure, it might suck to take that sort of flak but afterwards you'll end up in a much better position.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why single THEM out?  Hitler killed alot of OTHER kinds of people too, you know'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anytime someone makes a seemingly racist remark I am going to take them to task. I still want to know why did he bring the race of the pickers out of context. The information was not  relevant to the topic of conversation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wozniak: 'yeah jews get all the pity. It's not fair'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so how about it, Anaristos... why single out jews?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'it wasn't out of context, it just furthered his point.  you simply read it out of context'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do jews possible have to do with picking potatoes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, why did you single out jews? I can't read your mind, so I can't answer the question.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there could be health issues involved, Anaristos.  If you eat mad cows, you would definitely want to know where the bad beef came from, yes?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we used to have a sanity check of discussions some time ago. Unless we were debating WW2 or something similar, whenever someone mentioned Hitler it was an indication that the discussion had derailed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... I withdraw the original hitler comment'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then mention the health issue, at leasst, right or wrong, that brings mentioning the race within the context of the conversation. The mention in that statement was not connected to anything.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and will restate that I have no problem eating potatoes grown six states away and picked by... people'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'knowing where bad beef comes from is different than caring what race the dairy farmer is'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I understood that part.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some things just don't need to be mentioned explicitly.  That's why we invented the word "implicit".'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the race of the picker was irrelevant to the conversation and looked like a free shot to me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'some things are not to be talked about it seems. It's very sensitive.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you want to talk about mexicans picking food in California. Fine, the we can discuss that. But that wasn't the topic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Anaristos... we've moved on... keep up or move out'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it became the discussion though'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'race baiters are good at derailing'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can talk about anything, really, until the imms say otherwise.  Just because you don't want to or because you get offended by it doesn't mean it's taboo.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I haven't seen anyone move on, including you vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'media shows that daily'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Hanslanda, was that aimed at me?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's difficult to follow when so many join the debate :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure.  Nobody else is really saying not to talk about it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Hanslanda, I wasn't saying we shouldn't talk about it. I only made a reflection that it seems it's a hot potatoe.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh boy, there we go with the potatoes again!'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and we as a group tend not to take running leaps into lalaland, so I doubt we'd get kicked in the face with the jackboots (as opposed to gentle nudging)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'm afraid I don't understand what you just said.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he said (I think) if the IMMs wanted to close the convo, they'd prolly do it without bitchslapping'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I see'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has that ever happened?'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod.
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wow... other channels, too?  (like imm)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only on a case-by-case basis involving peeved drama queens trying to get around Lasher bans.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure...as they say, "we can do things the easy way, or we can do things the hard way"...'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can see an IMM busting in on a cuss-fest on gossip or Q/A... but I've seen pretty wild stuff on IMM chan'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll have to make an effort NOT to make getting a (Debate) conversation halted'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd say it's about a weekly occurrence that a convo is suggested to either move off a channel or stop altogether'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'heha... it's usually in the contect of "Take it to (Debate)!"'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'context, that is'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think this discussion still was above the belt.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's evident by the lack of imm response.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's all too rare though that more than two or three are angaged in the same debate.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'engaged*'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and Hanslanda, I hope you understand that I wasn't suggesting we don't talk about it :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, but you're right about them being engaged for the same reasons.  In case you hadn't noticed, most of us aren't taking debate channel all that seriously.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Ok, I'll explain again then. I just noticed that when someone brought race into the debate, it became a sensitive subject. For some.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'My skill in english is only practiced to 55% or I would have phrased myself more clearly.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd have to say that 'race' is debatable... most debates ARE sensitive, if they're worth debating at all.'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... adhering to the rule about 'personal attacks''
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the best debates are the sensitive ones IMO'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's not much of a debate where everyone agrees with each other'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or isn't at all passionate about the topic'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri nods.
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we call those lectures'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'unfortunately we don't have a lecture channel'
T3/r7/2013-06-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but I guess you can argue that that would be the Q/A.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'after double is the best time to auction'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i hate my country's educational decrees.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'what r they like?'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the country's prime minister reserves the right to change chinese and tamil primaries to malay primaries.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it is in the lawbooks'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'o oppression'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'secondary schools are denied government support unless they use malay text'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or maybe it was malay books'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'universities have fixed quotas stating how many bumiputras they must accept. percentage runs somewhere round 30-40%'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'you'ld think in these times it would get better about support diversity, but maybe worse'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in my country it is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'whats a bumiputras?'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not sure bout others'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'whats a bumiputra?'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'bumiputras are guys who are 'special' and receive benefits. like less tax'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'ah'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they are supposed to be the original guys living here'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but over here the natives on the peninsular are denied that privelage'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'my UEC grades are not accepted within the country.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'descrimination everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'which causes an outflow of good people.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'as government approved grades are slowly lacking in quality'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'ah lowering standards'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'we have pulled in many immigrants who, unable to find jobs, are not let to go home.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'wow'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'sorry, forced to go home.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'same here'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'meaning i cannot walk the streets without looking over my shoulder all the time'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'ah'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the police do nothing to help, they actually openly accept bribes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not official but we all know only a few don't'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'least its not that bad hre'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i know'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'many schemes have been made to shut private universities down'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'but it's getting owrse for immigrants and everyone...and ppl fighting each other instead of the causes of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'worse*'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the only place we can study our mother tougue is in private universities '
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'well, study effectively anyway'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'wow'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the good people are sent out of the country, and they hardly ever come back'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'unless as teachers to teach in private universities.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'somewhat like native americans here'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'which is like one of the few places they can work'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'as government grades come first.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'my grades mean i have to work harder than most people, just to leave the country'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'where r they able to go to be more accepted and survive?'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'anywhere else in the world smart people can go and gt higher pay than the meager salaries they receive'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'here'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'o'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'my teachers teach because they want to help the new generation'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and they want us to help change this country for the better.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'yes, thts good. There are so many ppl like that fortunately'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'do u have a chance to?'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'malaysia is on the top list of corrupt countries. and embezzlement'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i think so'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'o I think I read that'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i had a teacher tell my class that once a friends house was robbed'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the police asked: "do you really need to give in a report?"'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'wow'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'my parents themselves were asked for a bribe within the police station.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'up till now, only one place is known not to take bribes'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'wow'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'my parents know cause they went, the supervisor sat right at the counter. staring at the clerk. without airconditioning.'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'our temp is around 29-35 degrees celsius. and it is humid'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Magicmaster: 'take care'
T3/r7/2013-06-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you too'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'cause it is unusable for higher lvls'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'primary class skills SHOULD give an advantage comparative to secondary classes'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'never mind. no one here anyway.......'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you already have an advantage because the stats that drive kobold stench are not the same, and are not suitable, for other pclasses.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'gah'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'stop thinking of it as a skill rather than a primary class skill'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the way your thinking, you are grouping kobold with poison skills. but what i mean is this: as a primary thief skill. it honestly sucks. it should be replaced(in the ptimary thieves skill) by something that gives an edge over secondary class thieves. geddit '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '??'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'compare Kobold Stench (thief)  to  ballistic attack (psi)  and maybe kobold stench is overpowered'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'some primary class skills suck. and should be replaced with other skills from the same class that give an edge over opposition (secondary class)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ballistics is not a primary skill'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ballistics is not a primary class skill'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some level 1 attack skills and spells are irrelevant compared to level 200 attack skills and spells'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'kobold stench is a lv 1 skill'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its gonna suck'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'It has to suck.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so it should NOT be a primary class skill!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'for god's sakes, do you not get where i am going at at all?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'if all pclass skills have to be useful for your whole mort then necromancer needs a complete rework...'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then it should'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'It's a level 1 skill. There are 199 (200?) more levels to discover.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wait a second'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'necro is a subclass.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am talking about primary class skills(skills exclusive to that class)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why not just go back to the old days and have no pclasses :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some Psi are disappointed that low level Psi are roadkill compared to other classes -- and Psi may suggest that thief are not supposed to get any level 1 primary-class skills unless as weak as (say) ballistic attack'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am saying that some primary class skills(in this instanc'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'e kobold) are useless as primary class skills.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no its not'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they should either be changed to normal skills or removed altogether'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'name an occurance where it is better to use kobold rather than other skills at lvl 30++'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at level 1, a non-Pthief does not get kobold stench at all -- perhaps the debate is whether kobold stench is at least as strong as (say) ballistic attack - if yes, don't complain as a pThief  (the Ppsi may complain though)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i just said that there are some primary class skills that should not be primary class skills.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you wanna posion your opponent'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'these skills should be changed'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i can use burnt marbu, black root or other skills that have more effect than kobold'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at level 33, most do not use level 1 attack skills unless desperate to find and attack against a mostly immune mob (when coinidentally ballistic attack is often useful)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'runto kingsholm'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'whoops'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'If you wanted to remove kobold because there are better skills at level 30++, what skill would you use at level 1?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'none.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well then dont bother practicing it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'problem solved'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the point is, unless you attack higher by 5~10 lvl mob you won't need it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'because it is useless'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "primary-only attack skill" does not require to be stronger than secondary attack skills, as an alternative to stronger, merely requires to be more useful in some situations than secondary attack skills'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if i don't use it, it defeats the purpose of a primary class skill(which should give said class an advantage'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the poisons do stack right'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'explain death blow'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but as a SC pThief, with no other secondary remort classes, Jopari is not able to compare Kobold stench to (say) ballistic attack'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it does give you an advantage of reducing a persons str'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'which you don't really need cause at that lvl there are few mobs with high str'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how about pvp?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jopari may as defer this pThief debate until remorting into (say) a Psi'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its not all about mobs'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'how useful is that compared to death blow'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'deathbow is what 180'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'does anyone join pvp at lvl 1?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'unless supernewb'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bamboo peers intently at Daeric.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes i like lowbie wars'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or compare to burnt marbu'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'joined them ever since t0'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yeah, T9R7 level 1 characters seeking to do unspeakable things to level 1 SC T0 newbies'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you're clutching at straws'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but thats a lv 15 skill'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'compare please.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'fact is kobold stench poisons'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so why not have burnt marbu as pthief skill.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'fact is nearly all skills are better than it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that you get later'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'theere are T0 SC level 1 Snewbie characters wearing *uber*equipment that may enjoy doing unspeakable things to level 1 SC T0 newbies'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'excluding supernewbs!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'gods same'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'gods sake'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'excluding lvl 1-10 with aard eq'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'marbu might have something to do with the wish ...'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'like omg'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'fuck.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what the hell'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'whats wrong with supernewbs'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inexperienced shoddy non-snewbie newbies are supposed to level, not pk hoping to win'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Or sit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of players qsit a level 1 To SC character for at least 14k qp to get a decent level 1 aard-equipment start -- some at To SC level 1 qsit for over 100k qp for some inexplicable reason'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'll just put it in ideas forum. where it will be useless since no one understands wtf i am talking about'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'do you understand that no other class has a maldiction spell at lv 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or maybe i won't since no one understands at all '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yes i do'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they disagree with what you are suggesting, since the Aard seems to prefer to discourage excessive level 1 qsitting '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am not encouraging it. for god's sake'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it was just a design decision'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and some skills are starting to get a bit stronger as one lvs anyways'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'how the hell am i encouraging level 1 qsitting'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not sure if that one was on list or eventually will be'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'btw your a pthief so why would you even care if non pclass can use it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you know what? i give up. stubborn as hell'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just get to t9 and then you can stilc with like lv maybe 80 + skills'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if level 1 pThief get an uber primary--attack skill at level 1, the result may be a lot of smug self-satisfied pThieves lurking in lowbie pk -- and other classes (and gutted newbies) are not going to be as happy'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wth. primary class skills should give one an advantage over secondary classes damkit'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'can stick with*'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it does!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when the hell did i say it would have to be unlocked at lvl 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no other lv 1 skill has a malediction'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and another bad result is that most new characters are likely to be pThief to the exclusion of other classes'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'is that your preconception?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that i am a selfish bastard determined to make other classes lives a misery?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'therefore it might make sense for lv one lets sat paladin to use kobold spray'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari sighs.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i meant that a primary class skill should be more powerful.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the best first class as a newbie is pMage -- to provide the option that at T0R7 SH to max stats and enchant equipment -- there are not enough inexpensive enchanters'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not that it should be easily accesible'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i said that kobold stench was an example'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the only reason that kobold is pclass only is because that's the way it happened to be set and no one will care enough about it to change it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most primary-atack skills spells are stronger -- but not at level 1 '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not the only one'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea a design decision redryn :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i give up'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'not sure what point you're trying to make...'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but yes lv 1 malediction how many times do i have to say it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Aard does not want every new newbie sitting at level 1 T0 SC for several years'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'for god's sake i did not say it needed to be accessible at lvl 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so what move it up to a lv 7 skill and move kick from lv 7 to lv 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'damn man. you work under the preconception that one of my ideas is that there should be a primary skill there '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so what does more damage for you now kick od kobold spray'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and kick isn't even one'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'is your idea to make it non-pclass?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am not the selfish bastard you keep trying to see me as. and suceeding very well at'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if pThief get an uber primary pThief-only attack skill, then other pClasses are going to want something similar (as a balance) -- and that currently is not where the work on subclasses is going -- more likely the subclass work is going to skills and spells that are at least level 91 '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm you were saying many things...'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that you misconstrued'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Jopari at level 53+, you are not even level 1 anymore -- so the debate is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i meant that some primary class skills seriously suck if you ask other classes. true or false. answer that. i'll go bit by bit'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '(Debate) Jopari: 'i meant that a primary class skill should be more powerful.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'moving it from lv 1 -7 could do just that of course adjusting max damage'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but not as accessible'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: '[23 Jun 03:47:49] (Debate) Redryn: 'the only reason that kobold is pclass only is because that's the way it happened to be set and no one will care enough about it to change it''
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'irrelevant?! do i have to remort and then say this'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you have to tier ...'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in lowbie pk,  pPsi are roadkill compared to pWarriors -- so i avoid pk as a lowbie pPsi (and i am not complaining)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and have a non pclass thief'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'do i have to create a new char for you to take it as 'relevant'!????'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am not arguing simply for pthief'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i still don't get what you're kicking up such a big fuss about'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'would you be happier if kobold stench was removed from the game?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'do i give a fuck? yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'get to level 91 at least, and debate on level 91+ skills and spells'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i think that primary class skills for each class should allow an advantage over other classes by that class'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'do i have to create a new char for you to take it as 'relevant'!????'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'irrelevant?! do i have to remort and then say this'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'POISON!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'advantage'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok cool'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari glares at Elchanan.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'now read the last paragraph of help subclass'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan giggles at Redryn's actions.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'did i say subclass spells and skills. or primary skills'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yeah, remort - but you may prefer to do a lot of other things within the safety of T0 SC protection (like not being permitted to blunder into high-level-locked areas while exploring)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'subclass and primary class kind of go together dude'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'really'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you sure'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a huge difference between SC and R7 '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'last i checked it was a SUB-CATEGORY'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an R7 character is far safer than a SC character'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea im sure they go together'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'sub-category'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you can have primary classes without subclasses.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'as one day lasher could wake up and say hey lets make kobold stench venomist only'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but not vice-versa'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when have i said kobold was the only thing i was focusing on'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you said as an example and i was giving and example of why subclass and primary class are related'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they are not. it simply provides variety'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'primary-only skills/spells deal with exclusivity, and do not require to be stronger at level 1, merely sufficient at level 1 - enough to reach higher level skills spells'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'much work has been going into mage cleric and psi classes anyways'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thiefs allready get a decent advantage in pvp ... with backstab'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if i am unclear, let me clarify and shut up for a minute while i do'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and the fact that they can just heal instead of casting spells'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'pls consent to that at least.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or continue and i will just shut off debate'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'off'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in each primary class there are skills that are weak, true?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'primary class skills and spells'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so i think that primary class skills and spells should provide an advantage from each primary class over others. causing a balance. with me so far?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or is there no one on here anymore?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'combat and fight me'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hell no my dear 'friend''
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you need to pick on me for your self esteem?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a SC pThief Jopari, (unable to compare to other secondary skills spells), seems to be saying that the Kobold Stench pThief-only skill at level 1 is supposed to be far stronger than higher-level skills-spells available to other classes (because "availability to other classes" demotes the skill-spell to "secondary status") '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well ya do have 26 lvs on me jop'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'aard eq takes care of that elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'higher-level skills-spells (even when secondary) are likely to be stronger than lower-level primary skills-spells '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea i understand but sometimes its not the skills that make things unballanced'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '26 levels is a big advantage-disadvantage'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'bs if you can land it is super powerful'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i faced omg twice. i know the abilities of aard eq intimately'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'while mage attack spells are more powerful than thief attack skills'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'omg is not just aard eq'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'he has maxed hp'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'bs is often described on the debate channel'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'bs???'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'backstab'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'type bs and press enter'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"enhanced damage" as a pWarrior or pThief confers a big advantage over a pMage'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'cool.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'didn't know bout that abbrieve'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think its more the fact that warr and thief have high dex and str normally'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some uber snewbies walk around with 300dr at level 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am a shadow'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so once a mage has to start healing they are pretty much toast'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'str does not come naturally'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'dr?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hitroll damroll'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hr/dr'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'thank you'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i was very close to 250/300'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but it gets very expensive to do that'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'all the more reason to stay away from you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'right now im ar 312/397'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'all the more reason to stay away from you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and im weak compared to some in that regards'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a T0SC level 1 to reach 300 dr requires lots of favours (almost bordering on multiplaying) '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but yea thief main skill is you ask me is the backstab'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ehhh nothing like multiplaying'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those doing the favours are doing these favours based on knowing the alt of the ToSC level 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'oyu just need ot have all the aard gear bunch of well enhanted closed clan gear'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and thats the "cheap" part'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then you gotta toggle all your aard gear '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and enchant it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and pray you get +6 hr or dr lands'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ohh and max tpenchant weapons to +11 then toggle enchant'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a complete stranger newbie (with ?no? alts) becoming a 300 dr T0Sc level 1 Snewbie, with ?no? favours by friends of those (?nonexistent?) alts -- a very unlikely story'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'a hell of alot of work'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'altho i would not do a lv 1 aard weapon ... maybe dual lv 6 abd lowered to lv 1'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or like i did and sit at lv 11'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari shakes his head.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes hell of a lot of work and time for eventually never using the gear again and mostlikely selling at a loss'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and when that Snewbie does a few Tiers, all that Snewbie work gone'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan noddles in total agreement at Zade.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'getting to t9 is alot of effort too'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you had a good point a while back about pmage being a good starter class btw'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'wonder if they doing dominion'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'miss'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '*chuckle*'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hmmm'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NSA specifically retains all encrypted content from EVERYONE, after all, it's encrypted, therefore you must be a terrorist, right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'naturally'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything i do online is using HTTPS when it is available, so I guess I am filling up large volumes of NSA hard drives!'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some encrypt all the lurid porn they write -- is there an advantage to use the internet to back that up, if NSA is also backing up all encrypted transmissions'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The most scary thing is that the US public is ok with it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are a lot more things to be anxious about than the NSA backing up encypted transmissions that are soon obsolete'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. But I mean the whole prism thingie.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"prism" is a new buzzword - is there a film out yet about "The Prism"'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just find it amazing that privacy is not important to the US public.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Privacy is important -- if the NSA is backing up everything encrypted, the sheer volume of encrypted data brings privacy, except in those circumstances where the NSA decides to look at a few individuals'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They don't need to worry about encryption if they have access to the end host, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'write lurid porn, encrypt and send, if NSA decrypts and reads, the NSA personel become corrupted and depraved '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Anyone claiming the NSA is storing encrypted internet traffic in any amount is incorrect.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's just not feasible.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'They might store very select flows, but not "everything".'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they store traffic from citizen-citizen and citizen-sites-of-interest'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and all calls/emails'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're right that they don't store netflix'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they do have access to 'everything''
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, because the US (and UK) public gives them the thumbs up to do that.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, the US and UK public had no knowledge, that's why they're called whistleblowers, revelations'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well actually, those of us that are tinfoil hat wearers had very strong suspicions'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, it seems the opinion of the grey mass is that it is good. Of course, they have been brainwashed to think so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people need to start wearing tinfoil hats'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so am I alone in thinking they should not be recording/storing any private information, or co-ercing or forcing corporations to hand over information without a warrant from a proper transparent court (not a fake FISA court) detailing the just cause for doing so, and details what they're looking for?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could even have a panel of judges providing those warrants with revolving membership with oversight to ensure they're not signing off on them willnilly'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a big danger with nontransparent-unlimited-snooping is that the humans doing the snooping may also be(come) corrupt-thieving-criminals (in intent and action)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Twyst: 'that would be great, but barring that, I hope they collect every single phone call and text about keeping up with the Kardashians etc'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they collect that too, but they're only interested in people opposed to their political ideology'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course they should have a court order to snoop on anyones private information. Otherwise we live in a police state.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In Sweden it's even worse, our government snoops on our traffic, and it's legal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's what they're trying to pass a law in the UK for, but as you've seen, they've been doing it warrantless on a massive scale in both the UK/US regardless of the law'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because Sweden, for all it's lovey-dovey socialist utopic idealism, is a police state'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you start seeing the cracks when all the immigrants start rioting'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, unfortunately you are right.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you see it in Brazil, Turkey, on a smaller scale in France'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not about right/left, it's about authoritarianism and corruption'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, you'd be hard pressed to find a western country that isn't a police state.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe norway. :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can't allow that to be a justification for it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama to unveil his fake climate change for the purposes of taxing people and setting up corporate monopolies on tuesday'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're chuckling because.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Do you really believe that climage change is fake?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'climate*'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''climate change' is very real and has been happening for around 4.7bn years'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Good.  Looks like we have nothing to debate. :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do i believe man-made co2 is the driver of climate change? No, and no physicist worth his salt would either'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do i therefore believe greenhouse gas pollution isn't an issue? no, it's an issue, but it certainly isn't the biggest threat to the world pop-ulation, not even close'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Six-String Strazor enthusiastically high-fives Tigernuts!
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'i'm a little worried about the bees dying off...but perhaps that issue has been blown up bigger than it is'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the robbing of the public by politician-backed corporations, the enslavement of the people of the world, the impending bond market explosion, world population, chemical pollutants, strategic non-replacable raw materials, all far more important'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compared to these, Al Gore can sod off'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is obviously a Republican toady'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you say that, Mr Troll?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ed Snowden is en-route to Moscow, btw'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts flicks his whip across Zade's bare back. 
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'man-produced CO2 certainly (?greatly?) adds to the global-warming climate-change'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't certainly anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Oceans are more acidic than before from the man-produced CO2 -- and the Coral Reefs are in danger'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the one factor that has the biggest impact on climate is the Sun'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts yawns.
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are far worse pollutants than CO2 that are being stuck into the ecosystem'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Sun activity did not acidify the Oceans -- Republican greed (producing lots of CO2) acidified the Oceans'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'all politicians are greedy, it's simple human nature'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'before te Industrial revolution went into planet-rape-mode, the prior billions of years were producing a balanced evolution-regulated ecology'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and then the Republican and (faux?)-Libertarian ecology rapists arrived, fueled by greed and callous disregard'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the Oceans get sick, the surface human air-breathers are likely to get sick '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then campaign for cleaner oceans'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't campaign to freeze pensioners to death'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Oceans are a great part of the lungs of the world'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Britiah pensioners are expendable -- the planet ecology is not expendable'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the planet ecology will be fine without corrupt zade supporters trying to kill everyone in it's name'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw, the British as Imperialists screwed the world -- maybe payback is happening - so what is some british pensioners freezing when far more payback is yet due'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That's pretty racist of you, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't the victims doing the payback'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, mother earth is punishing the UK for imperialism'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it's nice to see that your argument is "the west screwed the world, so it's ok for the same corrupt interests to finish the job"'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cleaner oceans likely means far less CO2 production by humans'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You do realize that 98% of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is water vapour, right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe if all Libertarians and all Republicans stopped breathing, there be less CO2 production'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Source, cuthbert?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps, zade, we should shut down all our cleanish power production and just import dirty power from third world countries? that'll help your ocean, right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Cuthbert is a troll -- next Cuthbert be saying that Oxygen is a greenhouse gas'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'move all the industrial output to third world coutnries, after all, if it's not happening in OUR country, then that's problem solved, right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/gases.html Here, enjoy this while I look for the actual stat, Ran.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I bet you mean 98% by weight, which is a pointless measure.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'water vapour is not a relevant "greenhouse gas" as relates to global-warming'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that website is bullshit, btw'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually it is, zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's like saying humans ar 70% water, therefore a few grams of arsenik cannot affect you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'water vapour precipitates as rain '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CO2 is plant food'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'CO2 precipitates as acid'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'http://sequestration.org/science/greenhousegases.html Another one through the University of Illinois.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best pass some laws making rain illegal then'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'acid doesn't impact global warming'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's an entirely different environmental concern'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a genuine one (unlike global warming)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'lol, you guys are jumping right to a conclusion I didn't make.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'too much acidity and too much heat in the Ocean, damages (and kills) the *important* life in the the oceans'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to have a word with China and India, Zade, since that is your major source of ocean acidification'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the planet is likely to survive global warming -- most of the humans won't -- most of the humans are likely to die when the ecology collapses'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'CO2 is the major cause for ocean acidification'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The planet will survive, and life will survive. Probably not mammals.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But I am pretty sure we will solve the problem before it kills us. Barely.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you truely cared about doing something about it, you'd support the end of globalisation, you'd support a localism revolution'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd support the end of fascism in it's current guises, the end of consumerism'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't see globalism as a problem, tbh.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably should, it's the root cause of much of the other problems we see'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that alleged fiction book "The Revelation according to St John" aka "The Apocalypse" prophesies at least one third to two thirds and more of the human population dying -- that may be optimistic though'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess I have a different view of the system than you do, but since none of us is a superobserver, we are probably both wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The Apocalypse" prophesies killer drones flying through the air, killing humans found in groups - "where there were two, one was left"'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without globalism you'd not have the abuse of china for slave labour, and all the pollution that entails, all the loss of local jobs and skills, and all of the pollution'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Or just perhaps, you would see your worldview as heading towards a form of heat death of humanity, when our best bet is to continue technological advancement just as fast as possible and get out of the confines of this planet as fast as we can before the exploding civilzation consumes all of the resources necessary to do so for the lst time, ever.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"where there were two, one was taken and one was left"  <-- somebody died'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Without globalism, people would not live outside of africa.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taht won't happen, Arnica'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the technological advances shall be killing machines to reduce world population'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technological advances are there to further the control/wealth of the ruling elite'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not there for the benefit of peasants'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'spoken like a Republican, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mael: 'you keep ragging on Republicans as if their "opposites" are actually different'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'They are there for the preservation and propagation of those curly molecules in us, and no other reason.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Republicans are far more blatant callous and obvious'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade is political blindness'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has*'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Personally, I think that the only solution to the environmental issues are more globalization and more technology, not less. '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gah, well that isn't going to happen, Ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts likes to tell blatant (Republican) lies'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why not?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unless you intend to have China running the whole world'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and somehow manage to get them to agree to not polluting anything'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't care who runs the world.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably ought to'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Eckamkar prophesies the Chinese became the major population of the world '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Eckankar prophesies the Chinese became the major population of the world '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when will you worry about who runs the world. When family and friends get disappeared? When the lights go off? When food becomes so scarce that you begin to starve? When the water becomes so polluted you can't drink it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's your line?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would China want to turn off my lights?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an Eckankar book by Paul Twitchell (read like scifi in the 1960s)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they wouldn't have enough for the peasants to have it on all the time'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't believe in a world of increasing scarcity.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's nice, it believes in you'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another book prophesies that China started WWIII'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have an entire universe of resources, any limits are just because of lack of imagination.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eventually there are so many prophecies that one comes true'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and physics. Don't forget physics.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you still believe that resource limits are because of actual physical limits'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've never heard of false scarcity'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'greed and corruption doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the regime in China is callous enough to do what is required to greatly reduce human populations, and the China regime is more likely to reduce non-chinese populations first'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'globalism isn't a solution to pollution, consumerism, greed, and authoritarianism'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe WWIII is orchestrated by the few rich that believe a drastic reduction in human population is required fast '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all you achieve with globalism is an increase in the scale of all the variables'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Globalism has existed for 10k years, it's not going away. Find another solution.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"freezing pensioners" is a cakewalk compared to "dead almost everybody"'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's using a ridiculous definition of globalism'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some form of "Skynet" may become a reality'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'll consider believing in artificial intelligence the year after intelligence becomes common.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just because I refuse to put my tin-foil hat on and blame it all on the illuminati doesn't mean you can remove globalism. '
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'At any rate you can kill a sizeable portion of globalization by destroying tax havens and adding a small tariff for foreign products.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or, heaven forbid, you could regulate financial markets properly..'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate I imagine the problem will mostly solve itself with the next generation of robots'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least the "all our factories are in China" part..'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We just need to find an abundant source of cheap energy, and pretty much all of the worlds problems could be solved. Including pollution, world hunger and freezing pensioners.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'N.B. could, not will'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"abundant cheap energy" yet translates to "more heat" and adds to global-warming and "Ocean warming" which translates to "planet death" --> killer drones killing lots of humans to avoid "ocean warming"'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A problem that can also be solved with energy and tech'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the European politicians want to disarm the public so that the public is unable to shoot down the killer drones'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I was wondering when the crazy was going to make an appearance.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think you need to go get a new tin foil hat, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'look in the mirror (for crazies), you Republicans'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I guess the heroin must have finally kicked in :/'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think most republicans would probably call me a commie, if anything. Or they would just shoot me right away when I told them I'm an atheist.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"energy and tech" won't solve the horrendous logistics difficulties of too-many-humans --  unless "energy and tech" is:  killer drones to kill excess numbers of humans (aka most humans, except for the select few)'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Tet will take care of our population problem.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no republicans, there are only those complicit with the corrupt fascist state and those who are against it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the ACS has a warchest of $3.3 billion as of 2010, investments in real estate, stocks, bonds, oil leases, and precious metals....They are in business to keep the donations flowing and the cancer rates high.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who are the ACS?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Allied Cronies of Soros.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Acme Cash Solicitors'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Alzheimer Copin-- wait, what was I saying again?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'American Cancer Society, they are the major fundraiser for 'cancer research', and other things.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'race for the cure, ignore the cause'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cancer is big business'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Tigernuts, that is insensitive.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to...?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The people ACS benefits'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insensitive my arse'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'May that be where it strikes you'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'That is a particularly nasty form'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like arguing that because of charities set up to deal with the aftermath of bad loans, you are not allowed to point out how bad payday loans are and that we should be exploring why we end up in a situation where people are desperate enough to use them'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, that's insensitive to the victims of payday loans and loansharks, and people in poverty'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who have, or have survived cancer might be interested to know why cancer treatment drugs make such vast fortunes for the drug companies'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or how environmental poisoning is causing cancer rates to explode'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'There is no statistics that separate the rate of cancer from the rate of popoulation increase, porovide your proof'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'It is the rate of population increase itself that is the problem'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Cancer is a form of curb for runaway population growth'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Zip it up!'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Cancer is just a sneeze.  The "cold" is the stressing that forces an entity into a less-fit state that makes it likelier for it to be culled from the herd.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'hanslanda, nice, but don't think at the individual level, what are the stressors on the herd, the breed?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'food (nutrition, quality, availability), shelter, and community (support, fears/worries, personal responsibilities to others).'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'And where did fact free Tigernuts go?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm still here'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and please don't misrepresent "having said something i don't agree with" with "fact free"'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'opinions are fact-free.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like saying lemons aren't apples'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'It is not about Democrats and Republicans, it is about the survival of the human species, and we are in fact at serious risk.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, you just simply believe we are (and by extension, that you're among the group that won't make it through the crisis).'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'humanity is far too big to fail right now.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'half the world could die off in one fell swoop and we'd still have a crowded world.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'We could lose the ability to leverage the knowledge gained in the past hundred years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we already did'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which doesn't actually matter on the survivability front.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The Library at Alexandria fell'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'We could have 100 billion on the planet and be just fine.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'And die here'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure, if you wanted a billions-strong death rate each year.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take your billions of people elsewhere please'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'population numbers isn't the problem, it's population density'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/cancerstats/incidence/all-cancers-combined/#Trends'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better late than never'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can't force each other to share properly, so there will always be fights for resources between the haves and the have-nots.  Even if we assume such sharing was possible, we'd have to live through the environmental resets that would have to occur to erase our previous lifestyle.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you can hope for is lack of scarcity of basic necessity, then rely on small government and free markets to regulate the interface between people'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no ideologically pure system works in practice'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder how many people are on the baby-food diet today?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest is that Snowden will seek asylum in Ecuador'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'That would be good, likely 98% of Americans do not know where Ecuador is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I's that line that goes through the middle of the earth right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I bet NSA has a team of 30-40 ppl looking at maps as we speak to locate it'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'near the equator in south america the western side'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ecuador, they'll check their files and realise that's where their section chiefs go to boff 12yr old girls'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'shh don't tell'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's wrong with that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'going to Ecuador, or boffing 12yr old girls?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'telling'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a little happiness goes a long way in a place like ecuador.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you a US citizen you still get arrested for being a pedo outside us soils'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the local laws'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no  tiger'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if local law says a 12year old can be a whore'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'youll still get arrested for it in us'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can you provide an example where it has happened?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go ahead'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'give me a sec'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only reason i question it is the issue of jurisdiction, unless it's illegal under international law'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/08/us/us-is-now-pursuing-americans-who-commit-sex-crimes-overseas.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is that good enough?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I assume this was also a crime in the countries it happened in?'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, this isn't really what i was looking for'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well then go look up the legislation it refrences'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, there's the problem, you have a law that prohibits paedo tourism'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what i said id if your a US citizen having sex with a child any where in the world will get you in trouble'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, that's specific to the US'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it would not matter weather it was actually allowed in the place your visiting or not'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, the offence isn't the child molesting at that point'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's travelling outside of the US with the intention of'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well whatever im afk'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a bit of a statuatory dodge, but there we go. According to the blurb there was a fair bit of constitutional railroading to get it through'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the law doesn't really matter when kids are involved.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on your definition of kids'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"the law" as in the legal system in general, not specific laws dealing with children.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '100 years ago, 14yr olds were essentially considered adults'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in many cultures, 12yrs is marrying and baby-making age'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '##[         Players Currently Online: 0           ]########  _-`"""', #######'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hanslanda's paedophilia broke the mud'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nancy pelosi being boo'd over Ed Snowden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DVk4O12ySY0'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when they come for your guns, be sure to give them your bullets first'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thirdhand smoke can cause various forms of cancer and destroys DNA.'
T3/r7/2013-06-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'liquid air could provide us with a renewable energy source with efficiencies up to 70%.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no school.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari sighs.
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'indonesia's burning of their crops is giving me a horrible headache'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'there ain't no one here is there?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jopari, what level of school are you at currently  (pre-assuming no truancy)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'secondary'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'indonesia's haze covers malaysia and over here the smoke number is around 200-300.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if secondary, your age is estimated at 12 to 17 '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '13-18 but yeah'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so which end of the seciondary school age scale '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '15'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'where are we going with this?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'long way to go before you are education-experienced at debating the worldly opinions expressed by Aard trolls'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'd curse but that'd be immature.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not even a young grasshopper yet'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'm experienced enough. thanks'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'age is no measure of experience'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it seems more like you think you know everything.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hell no'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'just enough to have some opinions'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if one could know everything. one would not study at all.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but i understand your view on youth'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those indonesians are not considerate '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a troll, i am an expert in that which i am an expert, with years and years of troll experience'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'm an expert at ranting at our corrupt government and police.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which military is superior: malaysian or indonesian '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'military? indonesia. no contest'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the pollution that Indonesia is doing to Malaysia is perhaps able to be construed as "crimes against humanity".'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not that serious but it's still a pain'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chemical warfare during peacetime '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that just might fit though'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'chemical might be pushing it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in one of our states it's so bad clumps of ash can be seen in the air'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'direct world opinion against the indonesians sand their blatant pollution and callous disregard for the damage caused to other countries'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i doubt that will ever happen. m'sia and singapore the only afflicted after all.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unfortunately, the leaders of first world nations may like the business opportunities that Indonesia provides for the first-world-rich to get richer, and those (callous? greedy?) leaders may prefer to ignore the pollution crimes by Indonesia'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'while countries affected are too small and indonesia has incredible national pride.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so, the grumblings of the common folk in first world nations are likely required to put (political voting-denying) pressure on the leaders of the first-world countries'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hit Indonesia in the pocketbook'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ahhh, but we're developing, and have been for fifty years..... backwards'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'we started as the best country around after WW3 in asia, but corruption has choked us.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'WW2 sorry'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i could rant about corruption and police selfishness but that'd bore you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what religions are malaysians mostly'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'multiple'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'should be at least'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'now it's Islam cause bumiputra get benefits for having more babies.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'name a few of the major percentages'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Islam, Buddhist and Christian.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'religions are usually the sources of corruption and maintaining corruption'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'explain'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'usually what i'm seeing is racial stuff'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Islam is corrupt and terrorist and financially incompetent (especially when there is no oil)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'preconceptions and prejudice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i know a couple of good people.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but i don't mix much.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no i'm not Islam'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Buddhism is ineffectual and seemingly unconcerned with wordly financial matters and or technology'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'are christians less faulty?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'foreign Christianity is there to fool nonwhites into being exploited by the first-world white nations'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buddhism is split you know'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you're seriously cynical'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'm a buddhist, we live our lives trying to help others. not by not eating meat and fasting or praying.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ineffectual is when people choose to do nothing. Your beliefs do not come into play. rather it is you're integrity and morals.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'along with your ability'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(decent) modern technology shapes the world, not the ineffective alleged good intentions of defunct religions'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if i choose to help others. does good intention not come into play?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the road to Hell is paved with (faux lipservice to) good intentions"'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'quoting? from where?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" is an old saying'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'are you saying everyone chooses to simply pay lipservice to the idea of good intentions'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'are atheist all good'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'are religious people all conservative and unwilling for change?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'do all religious people treat technology as abhorrent?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'See Scientology'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'incompetence, laziness and the other deadly sins, default to the appearance of lipservice'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that is just religious people choosing to link unlinkable things at the moment.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'see illuminati'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Scientology exploits the (poor) scientologists '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Scientology is not a benign religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'laziness is the soul of creativity'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'granted. not something most people would accept, but it is truth.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jopari: 'laziness is the soul of creativity' - tell yourself that as a buddhist, and remain ineffectual'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not a buddhist saying.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in christian parlance, sloth is a deadly sin'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what does a remote do?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ans: allow you to sit and change channels instead of walking to change channels, no?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Buddhists already are afflicted with "laziness" in technology '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'laziness and indolence'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'are christians not the same. use this phone and try to see yourself as not lazy'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'use a lighter instead of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least christians are able to invent design and build those remotes'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'use a bag instead of hands.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'these are laziness manifesting as creation'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buddhist invent. and so do islam. and other cultures as well'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Jopari -- that is christian comfort after the hardwork of creation'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'comfort?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'laziness as well'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with the buddhist version of laziness, those remotes do not get invented at all'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'sloth'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buddhist make no contributions.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that's your view?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that other religions the same as well?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cart-before-the-horse catch-22 buddhism'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if the islam hadn't created math. what would you be?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'of all religions which is the most bloodthirsty?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'islam and christians. both of the same religion. yet fighting over insignificance'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'a place Jerusalam'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'modern christianity, atheism springing from modern-christianity, judaism, are the pro-technological religions - what happened in post-WWII Japan was due to christian USA inspiring Japan'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wrong. technology inspired them'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'modern-Islam avoids modern education and is not the seeking-knowledge old-islam'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'without tech. who would look to christians? extremists in Islam give them a bad name.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not knowledge seeking?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'think and tell me. who has monopolized markets? what country is the next big thing?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'power will continualy shift. a couple of centuries from now what will people think of christians? that they are no longer inventive? they've gone complacent?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the modern islam (of terrorism) believes that the Koran and other holy-writings are sufficient as knowledge to be taught to the poorer muslims'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'terrorism is a small fragment of islam.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they have begun to die out. how many terrorist threats have you seen lately?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a few rotten apples are able to spoil a basket of apples'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the hindus had great inventions till the aryans came in'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Jopari: Its cause the NSA is preventing them by scanning our phone logs!'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'terrorism is dying out. people won't admit it cause they want to justify military contracts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'or you know. Not admit it because things like that don't just die out any more then war dies out.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'terrorism is written into the Koran, and those scriptures await new batches of terrorists to be inspired by those terrorist scriptures'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'terrorism is inspired by people misconstrueing the teachings?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '!!'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So Zade, you've read the Koran? You'd say you're well versed in it'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is far far less terrorism in the Christian New Testament compared to Islam'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the crusades mate'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what are those?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those from India analysed and wrote books and webpages describing the terrorism in the Koran in explicit historical detail'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So you're saying you've never read the Koran?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Hindus were victims of Islamic aggression and crimes against humanity'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the koran says that the enemies who would crush the religion should be vanquished'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they misconstrued that into kill other religions followers'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Citations needed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'here. =p'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'yes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'cite my textbooks and numerous texts on religions i've read over the years'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you can't possibly expect me to remember them all.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'That is not a citation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'explain citation'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Something not so vague as "I read it in a book once"'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'before i perhaps politely ignore you Daloran (for wrongly assuming things not in evidence), do you want this debate to turn into an explicit discussion of some of the various islamic terrorist verses (with direct quotes from the Koran and other holy islamic writings, plus historical backgroundt)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'would you kindly name all the the titles books you read last month'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'perhaps not'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but it does help me forget the haze here'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Scientology (is like terrorist Islam) states that opponents to Scientology are fair-game for dirty (even illegal) tricks.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in this case it states that enemies who would crush(attack) you should be fair game for wars.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'under hand tricks not stated. means up to you'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Buddhism alone is benign but is mostly ineffectual in a modern world'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wars are the things that harm development'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buddhism is merely to guide how you live your life'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but is malaysia a modern example of Buddhism in technological action'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buddism tells you to accept other religions. most others tell you to convert'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no. it is the chinese. who are mostly buddhist. advance the country along with Indians. who are hindu'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'muslims helped in administration but now not much else as education is a political tool by the government'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'causing a decline in grades and ability'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'I would never say there are religions better than others. not because of my beliefs. but because it is the people that matter'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hello??'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'muslim are seeking gain more converts to Islam in Malaysia by ruining the education system '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'education is a tool to segregate the masses'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'by the government'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they are incredibly racist.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'simpler to convert the uneducated and poorly-educated to a bad religion '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'nope. simpler to give themselves benefits'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are extremely educated are far more critical and rejectiong of bad religions'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in their law Islams cannot changr rrligion'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are extremely educated are far more critical and rejecting of corruption'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'bad religions? here we go again?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'extremely educated?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Islam is a bad religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what does that mean?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they lower standards cause their people cannot compete'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'gods your stubborn'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if i can find it in myself to forgive japanese. you can forgive islam'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the extremely educated in first world nations are usually atheists and antitheists'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'jeez. you an atheist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'is there a problem with being atheist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some (atheists and antitheists) may yet believe there is a god somewhere, but not the obviously fake religious gods'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no. unless they keep insulting religion'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buddhism is also atheist if we follow your thinking'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"jeez" ?!? - is Jopari cussing the holy name of "Jesus"'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i know'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it sticks'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i knew a lot of Christians'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they also taught me parodies of christmas songs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari mumbles something about how the proletariat has destroyed Christmas.
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Jeez.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Bud.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Moh.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Moh' Bud? Jeez!'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Three religions at once.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'on this note. let's end the debate'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"one note samba" or "three note samba"'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'The first sounds like a Brazilian Microsoft product.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '??!'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see John Kerry is making a complete ass of himself on the world stage again, today'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Mercedes Benz sports car owners must consider handing them all back after it was found that their cars might,  upon calculating that they're going to hit a tree, spontaneously explode at high speed catapulting the engine and drive train 100ft down the road'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We should just build a great wall of USA on the southern border....Could even have the illegals build it for $5 an hour.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I love that idea.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'wall won't do anything. Have to change he incentives.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That amnesy crap is going to kill our economy...'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'our economy has been dead since 08'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then again, 20 million new illegals will show up to replace the current ones....since the wall is never going to be built....'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps for you, but Texas is booming...so are 12 other states.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I say we send them back in the beat up dodge they showed up in.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the new immigration bill, the top dog herself has discretion to cancel the wall if it is deemed unnecessary.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'texas will get hit too shortly. Your dollar is my dollar and that is what has been dead since 08'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'there is a reason the markets across the world have been tanking the past few weeks.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Doubt it, Texas has a 6.5% unemployment rate and it is dropping.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go get an energy job and stop whining about the dollar....:)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'I don't think your grasping this as you should be.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a weaker dollar is good, even though it has been getting stronger lately...'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'stronger in a relative sense as in stronger than last week.  but still below 08' and rates are about to go up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'oh yea baby, here we go.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your about to see some shit :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, means little to me. :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'it will when demand falls on its face'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and this time the printing press will be ceased as that has been keeping things going for the past 4-5 years'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'demand of what?  sexual favors from prostitutes ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'demand for oil and gas, demand for oranges from florida ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually the feds have been printing money to buy back high interest long term bonds in favor of the new short term low interest bonds.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they will be ending that program eventually...when they run out of high interest long term bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'it ends by this time next year.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'next 10 year will be 3-3.5 by jan.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bond rates have been dropping like a rock....it is close to 0 %'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'prime is .25'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '10 year has moved nearly .50 in the last 2 days'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dropping like a rock is relative though...it has been dropping for many years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'of course, but this time you have mass interest payments'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are never going to see high interest federal bonds again.....it is going to be like japan eventually...negative interest bonds.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'japan is lol, they went lemming a few months back with their last grand idea.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the debt payment is manageable....but should be reduced by $4 trillion or so.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'well hell, lets not get to drastic now. wooo.. 4t.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'weakening the dollar will help quite a bit....seems strange that it is getting stronger against europe, so they must be trying to weaken the euro.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'in terms of numbers to numbers, but going back to your original point, that is why purchasing power has been decreasing though the markets are at all time highs.  doesn't feel like the highs of 08 though eh?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the pain is about to begin. texas is gonna hurt too'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how so ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'okay, what is inflation % right now?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the oil and gas revenue in the state just went up 66%, and is going to double in the next 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'just follow me a sec.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'whats current inflation %'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'lets say 2%'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'what is the historic'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2-3 %'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so does a 100 today buy you 100 20 years ago?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'maybe 4'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course not, that is why you work for yourself and make your own money....:)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your missing the point'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is the point.....wages have stagnated, they are not beating inflation'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so work for yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I think wages are beating inflation, but not by very much.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '20 years ago you could almost work 1 job in a family.....30 years ago you could have....today you cant.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, your not gaining wealth just from making more money, your money is worth less than what it was even just years ago.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and today both people make peanuts compared to 30 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'there is a reason CDs are shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '6 years ago you could get them easily for 6%+, now your lucky if you can get 1% or slightly over'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but has the pain gone up. no, you call it wage stagnation, its deleverage of your dollar from the printing press'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grr not pain, but pay'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why should a bank give you 6% interest on a cd, when you are willing to take 1% and be reamed ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'you can get away with it today, as long as you don't want expensive cell phone plans, expensive cable tv plans, and the large houses many people have today.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'because the bank borrows it at prime or negative prime, 6 years ago prime was 3%, so it was worth more relative to another persons dollar.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'QE, quantitave easing, stimulus, whatever the hell you want to call it.. MBS purchases. its all the same shit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sorry, this is like time travel and paradoxes to me...it gives me a headache....all is fine in rizland, and I dont work for someone else. :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Bascially, this is the shit in which everything is built on and right now, the fundamentals are not very good.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'CPI is how its tracked but you know very well how much milk and eggs have gone up in the past 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'only 2%? really?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, unless people stop driving cars, buying food, and  working, things might get a little recessiony, but it will get better.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'negative captain. negative.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Do you live in the US ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'yurp'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'California ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn....usually most people live in cali :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the mentality in general is going to take a loooonnnnggg time '
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a friend of mine who lives in Virginia sold 400 lbs of tomatoes today....he is happy....'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He sold 280 lbs yesterday.....400 lbs is his new record.'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel shows his approval by clapping his hands together.
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course he has over 1200 tomato plants on his property.....'
T3/r7/2013-06-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he has been growing and selling tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers and strawberries for over 20 years....he sells more now then he ever has...this local food movement is good for business.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'I'm here!'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'now!'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'answer my question!'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'the answer is 42'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'is jesus your god?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'Jesus is everyone's God.  Not everyone realizes it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Six-String Strazor: 'Is there a relgion that says Jesus IS God?  I thought he was more a prophet to some and maybe a son of God to others.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'no his not, Jesus is mere sheep, his a messenger of GOD.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'jesus is an idol. '
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'John 8:58 NIV ?Very truly I tell you,? Jesus answered, ?before Abraham was born, I am!?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'copy paste turned quotes into ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Andurien: 'John 8:58 NIV "Very truly I tell you," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shinda Hailz: 'lol.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could someone explain what the importance and effect of the supreme court striking down Voting Rights Act of 1965?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd that Obama mocks skeptics of climate change as 'flat-Earth society' when his support of it amounts to the spanish inquisition'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'voter ids.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the basic argument for unconstitutionality was that the feds were effectively arbiting state law instead of merely trumping it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-kBXM4dygc&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's it about?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i suppose you'd call it civil disobedience on c-span'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so does the supreme court ruling mean that states can demand proof of id to vote?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if the state chooses to pass such legislation, yes.  The temporary interval wherein the VR Act of 1965 no longer actually exists as law aside, all the ruling does is say the FEDERAL government cannot tell the states how to run elections.  As I said before, if a state wanted to change election law in their state, they had to first apply for approval with the federal government.  If the federal government gives the ok, they can then go to the effort of legislating and signing into law their changes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so does this reverse the decision in Arizona where the feds told the state that they could not demand proof of citizenship before allowing people to register for a vote?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that really isn't what the focus of the ruling was'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but is it a side effect?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i would have to say no then for what your asking.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'arizona will need to submit and pass another bill'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which couldn't be refused?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the ruling dealt with elections directly, not what was needed to vote.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your asking something different than what the focus was on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm still not sure i understand why the focus is'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're misunderstanding, Tiger.  SCOTUS booted the Federal government completely out of the equation regarding states-passing-election-laws.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that DOES mean that if Arizona resubmits, it won't be refused'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(or overturned in this case)'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'focus was on things like, did the state need approval for redistricting. if a election must be done, is it 'ok'.  the focus was more along those lines.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they don't need to submit.  AZ would just pass it in their own system.  No Fed involvement needed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then why did it get overturned?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'correct, they won't need approval.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'cliffnotes of the ruling?  judges said in a nutshell it is not 1960, so you can't measure and define the rules based off the age since the times are different'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was overturned for a single paragraph that allowed the federal government to insert itself into a state process.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in that case 1. should the feds be able to do so, 2. were they right to do so in this case?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wasn't overturned because we no longer need voting rights or because the outline of said rights is too archaic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'I personally do not believe the feds should be able to.  When they first passed it, sure, because we were still segregated for the most part.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'USCon is currently resubmitting the VR Act of 1965 as-is without this tiny little part, so the lack of a voting-rights law is largely a symbolic loss.  It's basically class SCOTUS consequence--Congress makes a law, SCOTUS declares it unconstitutional, Congress amends the law.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, classic.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i doubt it will get passed again.  looking at % of voting by race pool, the numbers are much more closer together which was the ultimate goal of the legislation from what i understand.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, it's a racist law by all accounts'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all positive descrimination laws and regulations should be abolished immediately'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Affirmative action will be next to go.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'A strong case is moving up through the system right now, this ruling shows SCOTUS are open to overturning some of these older, race driven laws.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll have to get rid of socially left wing governments in countries to get rid of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you can't change gov't, you have to change the way people view things.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't actually change either'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why the world is screwed'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I can change a little bit, if I try.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'with experience, people change. '
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't change nearly quick enough, aa'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then next month I can change a little bit more'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, all the people are going to see is "no more guaranteed voting rights", which is essentially how the VR Act was seen.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i won't disagree with that tiger, but sometimes it takes large scale mishaps before that is done.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Congress isn't about to let that stew for long.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's kinda like removing Social Security altogether (versus simply taking all the money away).'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not having the VR Act.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? what preceded it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'all the money has already been taken away. lmao'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts giggles at Acidangel's actions.
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only upside to having our futures stolen from us by the corrupt elite is that we can laugh at the cocky youngsters entering adulthood knowing fully they'll suffer longer than we will'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much of an upside, as it goes :-/'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jim Crow preceded it.  Voter IDs, Voter Competency tests (you can't vote if you're too stupid to understand what's going on), descriminatory processess, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i think it is more stupidity then corrupt.  '
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mainly corruption, aa'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and greed'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i would say the opposite..'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the evidence from the banking crisis is that it was done with pre-meditation'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'most people are complete idiots when it comes to politics and econ.  But these are the same people voted to create laws.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so its stupidity, not corruption'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, corruption'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't stupid, they made a fucking fortune out of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'its corruption because they are stupid and don't understand so they just wet their own whistle'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'falls back to jefferson statemet.. you give any person 2 choices, they will always pick the right one if they know the truth.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'corruption comes from stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they made a fortune, while at the same time gaining much deeper hooks into the controls of many sovereign nations, furthering their goal of world domination under a world government'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're wandering into realms that can't be argued with because of personal opinion, AA'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imo, stupidity implies ignorance'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'mutually assured economic destruction is what your referring too'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's pretty explicit in my view.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's your mistake, it isn't mutually assured economic destruction'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'stupidity is ignornance which breeds greed/corruption as those are basic levels'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'a WWG can only come about from that, so no. it is dead on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either you're talking about a different set of events to me, or i simply don't follow'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grr OWG'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'simply don't follow.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, you seem to think that the financial crisis had no winners'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'to create a one world government you must remove the current ones, in order to do that but also end world wars in the sense we known, economies became tied together after WWII.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bankers and corporate elite won'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need to end wars just yet, they make good money'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your not following'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'they gain power, forget wealth as wealth is relative'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the medium term they will create more wars, after all, other than the money making, wars requires a NWO to prevent them'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'stop thinking money = power.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'control = power.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money === control === power'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'currencies and debasing is how they keep the spread.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely right, the EU proves it'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'a dollar is only worth what you think its worth.  when somebody prints another, your dollar is now 1/2 original value.  these same folks live and use your same currency so it affects them also, they gain 'power' through the 'control' we as society give them.  They in turn beat the deleveraging of the dollar through corrupt deals.  Money does not drive this, control does.  That is the point i am trying to make.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, money === control'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'they could print a zillion dollars if it was purely money based.  but its not.  that is why fear is used to try and pass things because YOU are giving up something personal, not money.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too bad that nothing can be done about it now'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, money != control. Based on that then you would have to say Japan is a far richer nation than us is the exchange is $1 = 98 Yen, well 98 > 1 no?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's why you're getting confused, you're assuming money === fiat currency'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'money is currency.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel prods Tigernuts into action!
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then replace "money" with "material wealth"'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so rich people raid villages?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'or use money to buy those material things?'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a manner of speaking'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'hyperbole'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'it either is or it isn't.'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do both'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'don't pull politician on me and dance the question. '
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the answer was accurate on all levels. The rich elite leverage their position of existing power to tilt the tables through fraude, deceipt, manipulation, monopolies to "raid" the poor, and spend that wealth on further embellishments for themselves'
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus they do 'raid the villages''
T3/r7/2013-06-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your underlining idea is based purely on they want more money. They want more control, money/currency is nothing but a utensil to help that along with fear. the fiat currency exchange shows that is inaccurate as a dollars relative wealth from one nation to another differ.  Control is what is wanted, not 'plundering villages for money and material items'.  Freedoms are not materialistic. Those are what are taken from you. You can't 'pay' that, only give it up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess the supreme court had to get a constitutional ruling right once every so often, by chance if nothing else'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what'd they mess up now?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't mess up, they struck down the Defence of Marriage act'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how long before we hear about Chuck and Larry?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they need to strike down the NDAA'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(among other things)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the meantime, the coverup of the assassination of Michael Hastings continues, prosecutors seek a gagging order in the case of the 8th grader arrested for wearing an NRA shirt, and man faces 13yrs for writing on a bank's outside wall in chalk'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'is it illegal to "case" a bank ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's illegal to walk into certain ones while wearing a hoodie and sunglasses, so I would think yes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'cool'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'several friends have suggested robbing one for a dollar to get healthcare.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'minimum haul for a bank robbery is $150.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'but if casing it is illegal thatd be tres better'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's a brilliant idea, you should listen to your bright friends :-)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'if they can prove you are planning to rob it then yes but if they can prove that I think you have bigger problems'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans min one fitty. why?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the least amount that's ever been taken by bank robbers.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'darned inflation'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was a small bank, and I presume Brinks had already visited.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'just make sure to your get away car is bright yellow and has tips on the exhaust :P'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no no, rob it in an Edsel'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'd ii dnt brinks sell their brand to a subsidiary of mariner hsbc?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think if you steal $1M from a bank, the cops should fine you $6000 and let you go'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'studabaeker'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, that's what the authorities did to the thievin bastards who rigged the LIBOR rate, and the banks that got caught laundering drug and arms money'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't have one rule for them, and a different one for us now, can we?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a law for the rich and a law for the poor'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't Charles Babbage have a hand in the horseless carriage?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, sounds like being a banker is a safer way to rob a bank?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will be until the revolution comes and they get strung up'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'libor rate is bank to bank lending, not bank to member.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger... will stringing up bankers help get healthcare?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'mmk. well. anyone have a prefernce for or against bank of ameica?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'against'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger k. who would you suggest rbbong for a dollar hn?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'very against.  They've got the worst customer service, they've got the highest fees, and they routinely make errors in the bank's favor.  If they offered cable tv service, I'd go with Comcast instead.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'robbing is wrong, i dont' suggest you rob anyone'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i made some good money off of BAC.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger. can you think of a better way to get healthcare?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Getting a job sounds like a better way.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, go buy it'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or use charity care'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bring along a trained monkey and a camara and break into a mogul's house in the middle of the night.  The blackmail alone should net you enough money for a sweet cadillac plan.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'fen, walmart doesnt give healthcare. who else is firing'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger who does the charity care?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all doctors used to until the democrats started screwing with healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and now?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try a church'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'lots of churches here. do you mean ask at mass, or what?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: '"hi, im not a member but can i have a surgery please" ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what do you think you need?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of churches, if you just asked if they knew of places that could help, probably have a list'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'pretty sure  i need a broken surgical rod severd or removed since its pressing into muwcle tissue in the spine and cat scan confirms'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'paraspinal muscle'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why won't medicare cover it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, i dont qualify for medicaire.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'y not?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'bcause im not on ssi etc'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'any other ideas tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wait until oct 1st?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'for?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'im excluded from obamacare as a veteran. did you not read the bill?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, isn't it like 1600 pages?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are there no veteran charities that can help?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i read it in gedit so i dunno he pagecount'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger not that ive found.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why the democrat attack on charity, society, and church and replacing it with big government has been such a fucking disaster'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at least, is an instance of it'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger stop adding poblems and focus on solutions'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when people band together to help each other, stuff gets done. When people are forced to/expect the government to do it all, it goes to shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a quote, go fundraising?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'petition surgeons for charity rates for a veteran'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'iger people are used to fre e bies like youtube and piratebay. they wont even write a letter for my sake. let alone donate cash'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be surprised'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once fixed, what can you do?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'the list goes on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'contemplated surgery abroad?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'yep. cheapest country is still 62k neighborhood. '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'armenia'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does the UK compare?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nearly 90k'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the added benefit of not killing you in the process'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the US?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'Canada?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'phillipines'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'canada, without getting enrolled, is also expensive. phil is more than uk'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so did you petition surgeons for Vet rates?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger no. they wont talk to me without an appointment firs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd go speak to your local churches and see if there's anything they can do'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'their staff generally tell me they have insured an uninsurd rates but yhe hospitals do their own thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consider speaking to Oathkeepers too, even if they themselves can't help, you can bet someone who is a member knows someone'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'that ought to kill a wek if nothing else.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oathkeepers are certainly worth a look, full of people who give a shit'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'guess how many religious listngs are in the dex yellow pages here in tulsa'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: '431'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'more.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd go to oathkeepers before the churches, actually, they're people like you'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'in what way'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their membership is exclusively ex-military and ex-emergency service folks who swore an oath to the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ah.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sort of organisation that the VA was probably -supposed- to be'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nah the v.a. was formed a few  decades ago to move vets out of the v.a. and put in political appointees that agrd wth the vienam era conflic'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'veterans administration into dep. veteans affaira'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'it fulfills its purpose to a t.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger you think making a youtube vid about it would help?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends how well you can disperse it'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thinking of crowdsourcing the cash, eh/'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'try kickstarter'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd speak to the guys at oathkeepers first, but nods, it's probably worth a go'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nah. thinking of shedding a little light on the v.a.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger  they have an office in tulsa?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'v.a? no idea, not american'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NSA Director Gen. Keith Alexander said Sunday: "What Snowden has revealed has caused irreversible and significant damage to our country and to our allies."'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a fraud'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'impeach that liar '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Edward Snowden did a lot of good in revealing what the USA is doing'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the NSA had been obeying the constitution, i'd have joined them in branding him a traitor'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'dont worry we will all have cozy spots in work camps soon enough, the nsa can only work so fast'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll sick GCHQ on me. UK government announce 9% cuts across the board except for GCHQ which got more funding'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DeGraffenreid said Snowden, along with Manning and Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, appear to be part of the "international, anti-American left" movement.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't it odd that when it's perpetrated against fascist neocons, they're "anti-american left", and when it's perpetrated against the collectivist left it's "anti-american right"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'its crazy how freedom and not wanting to be spied on has now become anti-american'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when all along they're just anti-war, anti-corruption, pro-liberty, pro-constitution?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, provided you replace "funny" with "fucked up"'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funny/crazy/fucked up'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'touche!'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'prolly spelled wrong lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shows you how much americans are getting brainwashed'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're not much better off here'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they pulled a similar stunt with guns via the school system'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taking a leaf straight out of Hitler's book'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you get the children, you get the women, and so the men follow'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't remember whose quote that is'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'interesting concept'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'when getting laid is at stake who knows what can happen'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Edward Snowden did good in revealing what the USA is doing, regardless of whether the NSA obeyedor disobeyed the "constitution" (Tigernuts, your rash response was wrong)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which was that?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you don't know, you are too far gone in defective kneejerk rhetoric'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'c'mon zade lower the syllable count a bit'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "constitution" is not the "ten commandments"'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a really don't think Snowden intended to make terror organizations any'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, any smarter or more aware of their particular vulnerabilities, nor would I think he's hoping that as a result they manage to pull off another serious attack.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Wikipedia article on "Edward Snowden" does not indicate exactly what was revealed -- is there a weblink somewhere to what was actually revealed '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was basically metadata headering that got revealed.  Cellphone number,'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cellphone GPS location, call length, the called person's phone number, ISP routing info, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they weren't eavesdropping or reading emails/texts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was the alleged (alluded to by Alexander) damage in revealing that the USA/NSA was NOT eavesdropping as extensively as previously believed '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and does that mean that the NSA is not scrutinising the crap typed onto this Debate channel'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'recording every call, voip, websearch, encrypted traffic is not widespread?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having access to windows OS's, and to many major cloud servers?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, we don't rate high enough on their lists to bother eavesdropping on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their supercomputers will be trawling this, yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll record/flag anything that triggers whatever heuristic analysis they're doing'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'surely wearing a NRA T-shirt is protected by the 1st ammendment, or are children exempted from this 1st ammendment protection'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the case you're referring to, it did not breech school uniform protocl'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a group of 500 posers does not matter to the NSA.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the NRA kids shirt case he fell victim of obama administration trying to demonise guns via indoctrination and inappropriate application of law'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the arresting cop should be fired, as should the principle'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it would take an act of congress to fire the principle.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what was the trumped up charge'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'spelling.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'official offence was "obstructing an officer" after he refused to take off the shirt'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'principle = belief (and original investments, but that doesn't apply here).  Principal = the leader of a school.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, fair nuff'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he could potentially be arrested for sporting an offensive haircut, but i'm splitting hairs now'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is 14yr old still at middle school?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the officer is guilty of malfeasance'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '8th grader, probably.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '8th graders are 12/13, no?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'middle school is typically defined as 6th to 8th'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '14yr old would make you a 10th grader here, and firmly in high school'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'middle school is 4th-7th here'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'assuming you didn't get held back a grade or two.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'high is 8-11'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or 7-11 in my case'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that happens extremely rarely here'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'your area doesn't have Seniors?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'maybe he's a retard?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could be, dude looks like a bit of a stoner'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or he could have just turned 14'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seniors?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '12th graders'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, usually in a seperate college as a rule for 12-13'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our degree courses are typically 1-2 yrs shorter as a result'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, wait, you're euro.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so if a bra-less female were wearing an NRA T-shirt, and an officer requests that she remove that T-shirt and she refuses, that is "obstructing the police" in the USA - sicko cops in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: '1st ammendment stuff is tricky i was once detained for several hours cause i refused to change my shirt at a bowling alley an off duty sheriff deputy decided my shirt was obscene. ultimately when an active deputy showed up i was told either turn it inside out or spend the night in jail and pay a $250 public indecentecy ticket'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was indecent about it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'it said "hello I may not be mister right but I'll f%&( you till he shows up"'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor isn't sure about this channels curse policy
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the deputy had no sense of humour, isn't that a misdemeanor?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most importantly of all, had a member of public or staff complained about it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '1st amendment doesn't allow for indecent or illegal expression.  So even though you might not have a problem with a large print of a pot plant on your t-shirt, since it's still illegal you couldn't claim 1st-amendment protection.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'yeah but i didn't feel like sitting in a holding cell for the night til i could get in front of a judge'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's fair enough'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and bowling alleys are all-ages public venues, so "fucking" would be inappropriate in any context.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'thats a bunch of crock and you know it hans there is no such thing as decent or indecent'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in situations like that, for me, it depends a lot on the mannerisms of the deputy'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he took you aside and had a quiet word and explained it, and asked you to turn it inside out, i'd probably have gone along with it too'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'what a society considers decent is nothing more than their personal prudish concepts'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'prudish = holding the belief what you feel is right/normal is the natural order of the world'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be prudish, but i'm not convinced it's wrontg'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what was on the NRA T-shirt that was "inappropriate" '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no it wasn't, zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can be argued that the NRA shirt was educational'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the officer out to be jailed for violating the civil rights of the child '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and i agree if he had asked me to change or invert my shirt and explained how it was improper in that situation i would have changed it but seeing that it was 12:30 am on a tuesday i doubt it would have shocked many children. and he approached me by saying "hey buddy you need to take that shit off".'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as in half past midnight?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'anyways my original point was either the !st ammendment protects all speech or it protects none there isn't much in this world that can be said or done that isn't offensive to someone. whench my there is no decent or indecent statement.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all-or-nothing is a nice fallacy.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that "all or none" argument is defective'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fall somewhere between both of you, i think law enforcement needs to err towards the first ammendment, but first ammendment seekers do need to not take the piss'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'calling someone out on a tshirt at gone midnight is just jobsworthness'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least we can get amusement in the fact that Rand believes child porn is protected by the first amendment.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not funny, Hanslanda'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'child porn isn't speech'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it is if it's in story form.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a child's 5th ammendment hasn't been contravened, then yes, i would agree, though tasteless'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'I in NO! way endorse that'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'but for once i agree with tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you don't, in fact, believe the 1st amendment either covers everything or nothing?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i believe it cover it in the same way it covers my ability to call those people sick bastards'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody should be going to jail for speech'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might want to fine people for lewd or agressive conduct in public'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only when your rights are trampling someone else's is there an issue, and with all laws, there should only exist an offence where there is an interface between two people, and therefore where there is a victim'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can argue that an offence is committed against "society", or a "population", but you have to be very very very VERY careful with those'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should require a very high burden of proof of actual harm in those cases'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for instance, you shouldn't criminalise cigarettes because of perceive harm to society (because it's bollocks)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thirdhand smoke (the leftover smell and residue left behind after the air clears) is thought to cause cancer.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you should criminalise pouring tons of harmful toxic waste in the public water supply claiming it's for 'public health''
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being alive causes cancer, hans'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it causes alot of annoyance from my part anyway. Don't like the smell.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the very air  we breathe in its purest never touched form would still be toxic to us in the long run'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't smoke in most public buildings, what you do in your own property is your business. I have some sympathy for a ban on smoking in a car with a minor present'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see any issues really'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is blatantly telling lies with "being alive cause cancer"'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'not really zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are lots of laws in the UK that prevent advertising, prevent branding of packets, and prevent them being on display in shops which are all bullshit, and also the tax rate on them is too high. ALl the other regulations are appropriate'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'if you weren't alive, you couldn't get cancer'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you could get an STD, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and old age causes cancer, cells, once they have run out replication juice (non-scientific term, i'm sorry) start to stand a higher and higher chance of mutating when they split'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heck, even if you're dead, you could even pass your STD on.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what individuals do on their property is in some cases also society's business'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on what they're doing and whether it has a material effect over the interface with someone else'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'having live in california the this product/premises contains chemicals known to the state of Cali to cause cancer/birth defects. signs are impossible to escape'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'having never lived in California, I have to agree.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why it's suspicious that, despite in prior polls, GMO labelling in Cali was set to pass 2:1, it ultimately failed'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'oxygen the chemical that keeps us alive causes cell death and can cause cell malformation(cancer)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I blame dihydrogen monoxide'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'We need oxygen but we don't need to smoke. Especially not while pregnant for instance.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'screw you i love water'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts (in an eagerness to deceive others) is defective in english comprehension -- "vulnerability to cancer" is not a "cause of cancer"'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor :P
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you can argue that nothing causes cancer, zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in asfar as your point, ElFeneri, that then is down to personal choice. An informed and non-retarded mother to be would not smoke while pregnant'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert slaps Zade.
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has nothing to do with analogue recordings'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it ultimately comes down to personal choice if you decide to smoke or not. When it comes to second hand smoking it's not always a choice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in almost every possible case it is'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure it is.  Just because a smoker is there doesn't mean you have to be, too.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Banning smoking in public places is a good step towards that, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor makes the R.Kelly arguement
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and while smelly, it really isn't dangerous, it'd be worse standing beside a road with traffic going past'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'traffic is also something that is necessary'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'traffic in it's current for is for now anyway'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'form*'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'smoke is both smelly and dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'if i saw someone getting ready to pee on me and i dont move is it my fault for not moving or their fault for urinating'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes to both'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'definitely your fault.  Presumably you saw the guy preparing to do something to you that you obviously have a problem with, but you decided to just stand there and let him do it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'personally i would say its my fault (I know i saw them, there is no way for me to be certain they saw me)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if you have ability and time to move out of the way, sure.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'urine is more tangible than second hand smoke, but it's not polite to do either in another person's space'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but there's a bit of difference between smoking several feet away and peeing while standing right up next to you'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i know was reductio ad adserdum'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or to warn them ahead of time.  Even a quadraplegic able to reach the conclusion that "that guy's gonna pee on me soon" still has a voice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps if tigernuts was urinated upon 24/7 ...'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i am, zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'by others -- second drip urine'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone here is, that's why we're all homeless'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I have a manor.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they pay him to be the stand-in target for those Calvin and Hobbs car decals.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll leave you to it'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'subliminal pollution several hours a day is able to be damaging to health'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'constant exposure to third-hand pollution is able to be extremely damaging to health in some cases'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, some pollution is more dangerous than other.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i'm not allergic to peanuts, but if somebody also not-allergic to peanuts were to go around spraying peanut-products mist (while claiming that second-hand peanuts and third-hand peanuts peanuts were not dangerous) ...'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'epinephrine-time or death for some extremely allergic to peanuts caught by that peanut mist, but hey, Tigernuts says that third-hand smoke is not that dangerous '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the difference there would be malice of forethought'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/airplane-engine-explosion-caught-tape-171159273.html'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that Tigernuts is a nicotine addict willing to tell lies about third-hand smoke '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'video is not available it says'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a video of a Johnathon Cook jumbo jet about to accelerate down the runway when one of its engines exploded.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what if the peanut mist sprayer were addicted to the odor of peanuts and insisted on the right to spray the peanut odor everywhere '
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'callous reckless disregard'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'malice of forethought disguised as callous reckless disregard'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i'm allergic to certain chemicals used in cleaning food prep areas and used in most fountain drink machines If i eat at a resturant i've never tried before i may die so i'm alittle sensitive to this line of reasoning but I wouldn't try to get those chemicals banned from use based on that fact'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'a good thing here is that research on how to suppress or eliminate the mechanisms that cause the allergic reactions is progressing. In an not too distant future it's likely to exist medicine for it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are sensitive to those chemicals, maybe others are sensitive to those chemicals in less amounts -- maybe those chemicals are actually dangerous (or maybe only you are defective)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i found relaxation and a small amount of alcohal helps without the epi-pien side effects'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what are those chenicals -- sodium benzoate?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i thought i was gonna die(911 said the quickest ambulance couldn't get to me within the next 30mins) and decided to go out drunk a few minutes later i could breathe'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i never got it actually pinned down the doctors said i react to some red and yellow dyes and preservatives but none could explain the strength of the reactions i have. i dont think the tests were comprehensive enough'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So is today the gayest day yet in the United States?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we should all rejoice when the government does the right thing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the examples are so rare :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nodnod'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the christian perspective, the government did the wrong thing ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'err, was there a lesbian pride day parade today ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps there is an ulterior motive that the USSC decided to anger and incur the wrath of the christian god ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i don't see the connection?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not sure what is being debated here'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the issue has  nothing to do with religion, it has  to do with constitutionality. Specifically, the rights granted to individuals under 5USAmend and 14USAmend'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, we can note that the Justices didn't bother to argue the merits of the laws, but rather spent their arguments on whether they should have heard the case or not.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's good that they did as they did. It's still tragical that 4 out of 9 voted against it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the  cases, that is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the votes against, were votes against the merits of hearing the case. The dissenters actually claimed that the laws being reviews had no standing since DOMA was deemed unconstitutional by Obama, and the 8 District Court stroked down Prop 8. According to the minority justices, that should have been sufficient.'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so how long before somebody may marry their favourite inanimate sextoy'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is a minimum delay of 25 days :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when robotics hits its stride then we will really have some fun with the USJC :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Can women (or men) marry robots?'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the inanimate sex toys won't be so inanimate :>'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'incorporate the robot -- Corporations are people'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the robot would have to incorporate itself :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Robot hires a lawyer to incorporate the robot'
T3/r7/2013-06-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that would  work. As long as the robot seeks the attorney on its own :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I get a feeling I should have been paying attention to these National Stasi Agency leaks'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's hope congress kill the immigration bill'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'why. more citizens means more cost to spy on our citizens'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not something to joke about'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'its not?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to know how much of a bad idea it is, look how badly screwed the UK has been by unlimited immigration from the EU'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'unmanned camara networks are, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's destroyed us'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'shrug, you folks were already just subjects of a crown anyways'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we know'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the queen is a traitor'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'debate talk like that wont get you invited to tea'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what power does the royal brat pack have?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tons, they just refuse to use it, which is why they are traitors'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the queen should be performing the same role as your president'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that was disrespectful, Hanslanda, are you a communist'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'today I am.  I can't guarantee how I'll vote in the upcoming election, though.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's an upcoming election?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep, it's for the imminent midterms.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are your options?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dumb and dumber'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote third party'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm not gonna waste my vote on dumberer.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not got a decent constitutionalist candidate?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no idea, but it's not like independants have any traction.  If he wants me to vote for him, he'll have to make it worth my while.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by not being the usual two fake choices'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'sounds like you want him to pay you'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like I said, independants don't have any traction.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't have you down as a socialist, hans'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm not socialist, I'm communist.  Pay attention, please, before you turn into a modern-american'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh well, if you're a communist, don't vote'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'commies are just extreme socialist.. so..'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at an ideological level, no, at a practical level, yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'dew the jew, yeah!'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'ideology tends to drive the other no? they are not mutually exclusive'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'commies are wannabe murderers'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like the immortal John Lennon said, "There can only be--oh no!"'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare + immigration bill = mass job losses for americans'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that was gonna come regardless.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Under Obamacare, businesses with over 50 workers that employ American citizens without offering them qualifying health insurance could be subject to fines of up to $3,000 per worker. But because newly legalized immigrants wouldnt be eligible for subsidies on the Obamacare exchanges until after they become citizens - at least 13 years under the Senate bill - businesses could avoid such fines by hiring the new immigrants instead."'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like you've got morons in charge'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh wait, that's right, you do'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'traitors in charge'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'him of the 'transparent' government and his fake birth certificate'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since the republicans are required to pass that bill, the republicans are also to blame'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a bit of luck, the immigration bill will get burnt, but obamacare is already in, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'most of it starts in '14'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all of it starts in '14, I thought?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the tax parts have been in since signing.. of course right? lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'A few small parts have started, most of it starts in '14.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why the hell they didn't just set up a government health insurance scheme paid for by a 20% tax on other health insurances, i don't know, with mandatory insurance if you earn above $x, with contribution tailing off with salary'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's pretty nice that the worst-case scenario is potentially going to happen in an election year.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the worst case scenario is why DHS have been arming to the teeth and preparing riot squads'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're way off base on that one, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'because its going to hit the fan in a few years'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it way off base?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'the DHS is mainly beaucrats for one'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'when obamacare messes up your health insurance, remember that it was already messed up by private companies :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the DHS is outfitting a small army'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Brigade Homeland, look it up'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'how was it already messed up by private companies?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've had riots europe wide, in turkey, and egypt is about to explode. UK will be next'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'police agencies in the US have been militarizing for years long before the DHS stepped in'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true, RandAlthor'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'when 80 troopers show up to respond to a domestic violence call and end up killing 6 of there own in cross fire something is wrong'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it is the illegals they are preparing against.  Most of them are the undesirables, having been kicked out of the motherland for stuff they don't tolerate.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not preparing to act against illegals, hans'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'yea, you got that backwards.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Barack Obama (the incompetent moron) to blame for Obamacare, and or the Democrats, and or the Republicans, and or Mitt Romney (for originally suggesting Romneycare - the format for Obamacare)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the illegals are their friends needed to guarantee a socialist government'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'standard create-a-dependant-population-to-maintain-your-power. Same thing happened in the Uk with welfare'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, who do you think is going to start the rioting and create reasons for big brother to step in?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not the illegals, hans, they'll be the ones with jobs'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems Obamacare is a deliberately collusive greedy effort by many in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare is an absurd law'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '"pushed by companies", but apparently pharmaceutical companies are okay in libs eye.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you were doubting the tea partiers when they were telling you this was so, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i use socialised healthcare already and have since i was little (native health services)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Obamacare was badly designed -- indicates the leaders in the USA are mentally-damaged and or so greedy as to appear incompetent and mentally-damaged (as they go laughing and snickering to the bank)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and from personal experience if it isn't an emergency or major surgery i have never had an issue with it (can be a pain to get an appointment on short notice but thats it)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the national (social) healthcare here is jekyll and hide'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, if your birth certificate mistakenly says you're male, showing your naughty apparently doesn't qualify as proof that you're female.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some lady has to go get a doctor's note saying she's female so she can renew her driver's license.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'even that wouldn't work in some places'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but as inappropriate as it might be, I think most women wouldn't mind proving it onsite to a lady trooper simply to avoid extra hassle with the DMV.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'in the US thanks to DHS taking over the dmv/bmv/bvr/(whatever your state calls it) it can be next to immpossible to change the info on goverment issue ID's short of a ruling by a court'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a medical operation does not change the sex of a human -- merely converts that human to a freak - the base genetics determine the gender, not a cosmetic surgical operation'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'even that is debatable zade'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'what actually defines one sex from the other?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so a guy with a pie should perform his sitdowns in the mens' room?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can women born as women get an adam's apple surgically implanted?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am sure that a simple DNA test can shed light on the sex of the sampled.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'if someone is born with male sex organs and was raised as a man but when he tries to have kids discovers he is a rare form of hermaphidite that is perfectly male on the outside but geneticlly is female would he then be forced to change his sex to female?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it has happened, and no, not forced, but chosen.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i know it happens thats why i used it as an example'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides it's not as simple as what organs you have, but what hormones predominate.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'females with breast implants are freaks atempting a lie (but if they earn a lots of money as an actress, they may delude themselves that becoming a freak was worthwhile)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is this "freak" thing?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I would consider a woman with natural 48FF as a freak, too. But so what :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'I know i have to take whats said on here with a grain of salt but thats possible the most closed minded thing i've read'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'about the 48FFs?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'females with breast implants, that do not earn money from the implants, and endanger their health -- are pathetic'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no what zade was saying'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'zade is a freak :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are those the beer-crushin' jugs that almost killed a man (Busty Hart)?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer females all natural and genuine'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, who doesn't. But while implants might be a bit stream, it falls under the same category as make-up.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I mean, some women will scare the crap out of you if they ever take their make-up off, but while they have it on, they make you drool :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'breast implants are not "make up"'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'or hair extensions'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I meant "a bit extreme" :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'breast implants are a turn-off'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'so is fake hair'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not the same category'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, Zade. What about our putative 48FF owner. She would fail to be natural if she got a breast reduction to save her back, in your opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'falsies fall under the same category as makeup.  Implants are way more permanent.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so are tattooed eyebrows :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'or tattoos in general'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'external falsies -- make-up, somewhat'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'real ones, yes.  Henna tats wash off.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'internal falsies -- freakazoid, not make-up'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem with falsies is that at some point the woman has to take her shirt off :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'does the fact i have 9 tattoos spread across my body make me a "freak"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes :>'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'makes you lampshade materail'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is your self-esteem so low, that you required tattoos'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you also oppose dental implants, Zade, by definition.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no eash is a reminder of important moments or people from my life'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hip and knee replacements, blood transfusions, and the act of healing cuts. '
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'dental fixtures that provide chewing function are okay'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'each*'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so a flat chested woman who wants to be able to feed her child is a freak if she provides something for the child to hang on to.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but some of those "blazing smiles" are overdone and ludicrous -- those shiny white teeth are huge'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'remember, there was a time when doctors were removing nodules from the chest of pre-teen females. Too late they found out that doing that caused the girls to fail to have (visible) breasts.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'silicone is not a source of nutrition'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, not nutrition, but the augmentation will make it easier for the woman to feed the child.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no bu a baby needs something to graps to beable to suckle'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can you get high on pot excess?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'RandAlthor, you are not serious -- did you even peruse a medical book on lactation'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'my little brother was born with a hairlip and needed special bottles/nipples just to survive the first few months'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'i learned a good bit from the whole ordeal my family went through'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'evolution depends on the misfits not breeding -- unfortunately, modern science is permitting the defectives to breed'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's one way, Zade. The other way is that misfits do breed and have successful offspring. That's how we evolve.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you don't think that walking fish were not misfits, you have a weird definition of the word. Fish that flapped onto shore and (GASP!) didn't axphixiate when breathing air.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'what would you consider a misfit?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'asphixiate*'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a fish that decides to leave the water and flap round on land.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'an elephant that decides to leave land and take to the sea.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'had the fish stayed in the water, evolution would have been a lot different.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'people that would have been killed out of "mercy for the child" at other points in history have made huge contributions to our society'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but thanks to those freaks, here we are :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a genitic misfit hell dependent on medical aids and prosthetics - a horrid scenario -- perhaps WWIII is coming to remove modern science amenities so that evolution may proceed as intended --> the misfits don't breed as much'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'look at the discoveries that have been made studing savants and people with aspergers'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aqspergers that go on a murderous killing spree ..'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'recently, a few months ago, an aspergers misfit went on a murderous killing spree '
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and how many normal individuals have done the same thing?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the world is overpopulated -- the misfits are not required'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'were that the exclusive province of misfits I would worry more.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'none of us are required.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor is agreeing with that SnailBot Anaristos person again...
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe you are not required, with that defective logic'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'one solution to over population would be kill everyone that net worth is below 2.5m (makes about as much sense as any other i've heard)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God, however, is likely using evolution to improve the human race  (whereas some of the human race isusing technology to save the defectives, thus cursing the human race)'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know I didn't buy my aura as a newbie, I was x2.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when i reincarnate, i prefer to be in a decent healthy body, and not an accursed defective misfit saved by modern technology'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'that actually might explains why im an atheist (My callagen forms misshapen so my bones are around 2/3 the density of normal God has been trying to kill me for the benifit of the normals) '
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'collagen*'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the ability to earn money is not an indicator of genetic fitness'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'after the people quit being squirmish cloning will come into its own. The problem that remains is the data transfer process.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'well the ability to amass money is a sign you can out perform others in certain arenas'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'excessive cloning is not a safe solution -- cloning reduces the biodiversity '
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suspects that some of you do not think through the idiocies you suggest
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'not sure of the others but i have been trying to out idoit someone else'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what idiocies?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jasmeen: 'i no idoit lol'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one said anything about excessive cloning ( except maybe you). But  cloning beats the hell out of prosthetic replacements. Also if the alpha needs a transpant, what better place to get the organ than from a clone?'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, rejection, no suppression protocols, cut here and sew there.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in fact, what will probably happen is that the cloning process will be confined to needed organs.'
T3/r7/2013-06-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'imagine, you lose a leg, and another is grown for you :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'I hate obama !'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but as I just pointed out. They will only have if they have some expectation of how the event would go. Something a virgin can't have, by definition.'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis!'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if a woman said that to me, I would look at her like she were crazy and continue to go about my business :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'imagination is no substitute for experience.'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'of course'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be a slow scandal day, news is just reporting the temperatures'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/27/texas-teen-makes-violent-joke-during-video-game-is-jailed-for-months/'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teen made a violent joke during video game, jailed for months'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'soon people will not actually talk to each other at all for fear of being jailed'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was that joking teen in Britain or some despotic tyrannical third-world country'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a state that should know better'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so 1st ammendment rights are disregarded in Texas'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, just anti-terrorism laws misapplied'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drastically mis-applied'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Texans are devolving into animals '
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, there are good people in Texas, the animals in Texas are coming in from California'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amusing idiot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNb34vPqrN0&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'this snowden guy is a scapegoat.'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 2010 an hbo tv show called Newsroom did an episode where a NSA researcher, except a knowledgeable one who had 30 years of experience or more, gave info about the NSA spying on americans emails, and other communications.  And now some part time worker who shouldnt have had access to such info was being hunted because he said the NSA was spying on americans emails and communications? :p'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't have had access, but did'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and he wasn't the first NSA whistleblower, he was followed (notably by William Binney) but there were others'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is little doubt that the NSA have been conducting mass surveillance of the general public in breech of the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in breech of UK law'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '14yr old NRA shirt wearer arrested for not changing his shirt has charges dropped'
T3/r7/2013-06-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally think the texas abortion bill was pretty decent'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deposit not yet saved, interest rates about to go flying up, what does one do?'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and banks threatening to confiscate deposits'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Best TV quote from yesterday "I'm not racist.  I'm from the U.K."'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'congratualtions on defeating racism.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'UK is on the verge of OKing the making of babies with 3 parents.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'he, she, it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's to help defective moms avoid passing on their defects.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds good to me.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'defective? Excuse you.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, defective.  In the biological sense, like genetic diseases and fatal gene-related issues.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Daloran slaps Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it seems perfectly reasonable to me'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly, I wish that we could scan sperm and eggs for genetic defects.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We can scan parents.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'correct. But if they have one gene for, one gene against, we can't choose the egg we want'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Parents are always going to play genetic lottery, that's part of the game.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course. But if I were carrying something, I'd love to be able to select against this specific thing.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are already protocols in place to detect defects by looking at the DNA markers.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can test the fetus and abort if it went wrong. Of course, that's a moral gray area.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right -- but not yet to look at them on a single cell'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for me, that's not something I would consider unless it were a lethal defect anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the UK thing is taking it a few steps further by splicing together healthy genes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agree, if I had the risk of such a defect, I would not risk it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would easily choose not to conceive a child with, for example, an inherited tendency towards diabetes, if possible. But I wouldn't choose to abort a child simply because they had the tendency towards diabetes.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well.... the problem with that thinking is that problems in a persons life tends to activate innovation. What if the kid you choose not to have would have cured (type 1) diabetes. Of course, you can never know.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You could, on the other hand, extend that thinking to rediculous levels and just be against all forms of family planning.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I doubt we're going to run out of problems for kids to have. But the best way to cure shit like that would be to breed it out with selective genetics.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and exactly, to your last post'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and by selective genetics I do *not* mean 'you can't breed, you defective person''
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but rather 'we'll choose an egg that doesn't carry your most severe defect, unless of course you have two genes for it''
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, that would be one step too far :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'defective people breed now even when they know that the chances of having a defective offspring are high.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'of course, one of my friends knows a family who have 7 kids, 5 of whom have cystic fibrosis'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one talks about that moral "gray" area.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly I consider that fucking irresponsible, but they are very devout and believe that all forms of contraception are immoral.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, so the kid suffers for a lifetime and that's not  immoral. I get it.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as I already implied, I strongly disagree with them.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's why they go for the "third man in".  Instead of playing genetic lottery, you're throwing loaded dice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but you make it sounds as if their choice is moral. Personally,  I think it's criminal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right. it's still a lottery, but you get to load their dice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I am not arguing with you. I am saying that they believe it is a moral choice. '
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But if someone decides to take this to the next level, and mix and match genes to get a "perfect" baby, I might be against it. '
T3/r7/2013-06-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Right -- my personal comfort level falls with 'okay, here's a few eggs, here's an ejaculation of sperm, let's pick a good pair' -- that's still non-modified natural genetics, just accelerated.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, more revelations come out, this time of the NSA snooping on EU offices in NY and Washington'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly surprising'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"When training beats education, civilisation dies"'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Another example of the pointless partisan fights. How hypocritical is it that the democrats whine and moan when the republicans block bad legislation on guns or immigration, and in the next breath they themselves are blocking entirely reasonable laws on abortion'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Because it wasn't an entirely reasonable law.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'although I agree about the hypocrisy -- sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which wasn't an entirely reasonable law?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no abortions after 20weeks, clinics must have admission agreements with hospitals with 30 miles? sounds reasonable to me'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even non-surgical abortions must be done inside a surgical center, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because of when things go wrong and people die'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eh, no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds entirely reasonable to me'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's because it's a plausible way for them to restrict abortions, when their real goal is to restrict them by any possible means'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything that makes them safe is a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regardless of their underlying opinions'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it's an appropriate compromise between the two camps'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the risk of abortion is currently lower than the risk associated with childbirth. there's absolutely no reason to require a surgical center for non-surgical abortions'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are places that require a surgical center for childbirths'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's not a valid comparison'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'furthermore, home birth is still legal in every state, unless some restrictions have recently been passed.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the distance argument is especially pertinent since texas has a mandatory 24-hour waiting period on abortions -- so not only would you need to drive several hours, but you would need to stay overnight or make the drive twice.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's really just aimed at making sure those nasty sluts who have sex get punished for it'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'odd that hiring a direct-entry midwife is illegal in 23 states'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'correct, but you can still stay at home and have the kid by yourself, you just can't pay someone to be there.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything that makes people think it through is a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'think it through? yes. drive hours on repeated days? no'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sounds more like you just want to cut the number down however as well, and are justifying it based on 'safety''
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abortion is entirely avoidable in 99.99% of cases'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really can't see what the bleeding heart liberals are screaming about, it provides a safe and legal means of getting an abortion'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Sure, if you're going to drive hours on consecutive days'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think it's a crock of shit. There are no practical safety considerations -- the only reason that the republicans are promoting 'safety' is because they think they've found a back door into blocking abortions.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so clinics can adapt by offering overnight accommodation as part of their fee'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, let's triple the fee.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is that any different to california requiring permits to buy ammo?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '...'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"we have an ideological opposition to something which we can't make illegal, so let's throw as many obstacles in the way as we can in the name of safety"'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I disagree with that too, why would you assume that I support ammo permits?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't assume any such thing, was drawing the parallel'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(using your argument as you gave it)'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, both of them are bullshit, so I'm not sure what your argument is.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that sounds fair "I think the argument is exagerated, therefore it's bullshit"'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '...?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You're being deliberately obtuse now'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you started it!'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Requiring ammo permits on the basis of ideological opposition to guns is bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Happy?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you invaded poland!'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'But so is requiring surgical centers on the basis of ideological opposition to abortion.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'IF that's their principle reason for it, then yes, i agree with you'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'OUTside of that being the motivation, i think it reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tweets indicate that it certainly is for many of them'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll certainly be why it gets support'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are a lot of minor medical procedures (vasectomies, colonoscopies) that are not performed in surgical centers, because surgical centers are few and far between in texas'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus christ, i wouldn't have either outside of surgical centers'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, it's getting support because tx is currently republican-dominated and one of the more conservative areas of the state.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's essentially what i just said'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'errr, states of the us'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'movement in the direction of the dominant opinion'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't get support for a full ban, so i guess it's a compromise right?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not really, it's intended as a whittling away that might hypothetically get past the supreme court, as a step on the move to a full-out ban'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a full ban is a pipe dream'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'might be, but it's the goal of a lot of the people who are promulgating this now'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is as far as, realistically, they can go'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is abortion even a controversial issue anywhere in europe?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'simply because it's as far as they can realistically go doesn't make it a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither does it make it a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'No. But excessive and unnecessary 'safety' procedures make it a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just 'a thing''
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't want an abortion in a dodgy clinic without links to a hospital'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'might choose it if I had to'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, i'd choose not to put myself in that position in the first palce'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'after the governor says that his goal is to 'make abortion a thing of the past', frankly, any 'science' he gives is suspect'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are a lot of small clinics which do not perform surgical abortions. Currently, they are not required to be set up for surgery, since they ... don't perform surgery.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods, just like "we need to brainwash the public into thinking differently about guns", and "if could have got the votes to ban all guns, i would have said 'America, turn them in'"'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because one group of politicians is utterly idiotic about guns does not require defense of the other group being utterly idiotic about abortion'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the topic was broached as a comparison of hypocrisy between the two groups'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'both groups are hypocrites when it suits them, I fully agree'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but it's irrelevant to the discussion as to whether it's a good bill. '
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps they should scrap the distance element'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I wouldn't believe any gun violence statistics brought forth by someone who's stated that their real goal is to ban all sorts of guns, including hunting, either.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'merely having an admission policy with a hospital'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly, it's the surgical center element that's the most dicey in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a lot of them only do early-term abortions, where it can be terminated with methotrexate. you don't need a surgical center to give a shot.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is some form of license required to do it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'presumably this is the purpose of floor debates and ammendments'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as it stands, though, it's problematic for many reasons '
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which would allow an ammendment to discriminate between early terms abortions where just an injection is required where there is no/little risk of complication, and later term abortions where monitoring would be safe'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take it to the democrat ideology extreme, sure any abortion any time, give minors abortions without permission or telling their parents, and allow post-birth abortions up to the age of 3yr'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'contrasted against ban all abortions, ban masturbation, ban condoms'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't forget require women to wear burkas so that they don't inadvertently seduce guys with a look :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was steering clear of islam and talking only about catholicism'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as long as we are going to ridiculous extremes :D'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are actually some conservative protestant sects that very strongly think that it's the duty of the women to cover up as much as necessary to not lead guys into temptation'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm not even kidding (although currently they ARE fringe nutters)'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not even conservatives though'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would describe that as socially repressive'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'conservative and socially repressive are not mutually exclusive (although neither are they synonymous)'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why i berate the way that language has been usurped'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like "liberal", "republican", and "democrat". wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my chickenburger is made with cow!"'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'however, I would classify those idiots as a subset of conservative (just like there are flaming idiots in every camp'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'EAT MOR CHIKIN'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, while you have a party-system, you will never be able to extricate laws from the partisan motivation behind them'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unfortunately, I think that even without a party system there'd be such things'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd still get some degree of ulterior motives, but it would be more fractured'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's difficult to imagine what a parliament without political parties would look like'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I still would prefer a proportional representation system to what we have now'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble with PR is that you can't have local representation'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, but you could have local on one system and state on another'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could run it on a state by state basis i guess (for senate/congress)'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes that is what I meant'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does mean that all of the senators and congressment for that state represent all of the state, which is a shedload more work for them'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK just banning party whips would be a start'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'muddies the waters of responsibility/accountability, which is an issue'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'PR was trounced by the public here, they said no'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most people don't think sucking is bad in bed'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HOWvMs8bsE8'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah, if you ask me pretty much every sting operation like that is entrapment'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Not competent enough to stop actual crime? Just talk people into commiting crimes yourself and then arrest them! Brilliant!'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Just like the case with an undercover cop pressuring an autistic teen to sell him drugs. That shit is disgusting, I don't know what that kind of bullshit actually acomplishes. '
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the idea is that by doing this they can pressure the dealers inthinking their bent, but sometimes it really is stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, lemme get this straight...guys who are known to already have committed violent crimes are tricked into plotting to commit more violent crime and you're gonna cry foul?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the purported effect id to flush out dealers and others'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the most effective way for that is to target innocents, not the already-guilty.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it is a little dumb. nut repeat offenders are the targets, too many innocents. better to have direction first.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I mean, seriously, what kind of chance does a family of 4 have against a team of 6 hardened criminals (a few of which are lawmen with takedown skills)?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'uhh, please clarify'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you lost me'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'give your catfish easier targets, but make those targets have meaning to them.  Lots of people have real issues with targetting the innocent, particularly if it's friend or family or somehow otherwise untouchable.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'sorry working only on recent reference. I don't have adequate info.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'like 10 or 20 of history'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's like that movie with Cameron Diaz and the creepy old guy with the button.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you press the button, you get a million bucks but someone has to die.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'I don't watch movies unfortunateely'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that someone turned out to be whomever previously pressed the button or was close to you, I think'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ahh, so you mean an inability to seperate personal life and proffesional?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'entrapment is never ok'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did any of the mainstream media point out Nelson Mandela was a communist?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or that the SA people voted in a longtime criminal.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, well i'd forgive him'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though unlike the patriots being targetting by the obama administration, mandela actually did blow shit up'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you just need to revoke obama's passport and tell him to stay in africa'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's already served his purpose, Tiger.  Time for his last meal.  Fortified with extra minerals to make the rest of his life as comfortable as possible.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence carbon trading'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hahaha, US's first cheif privacy officer, Nicole Wong, came from Google, so clearly that makes her best placed for the job'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you might say she was ... the wong woman for the job'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'NO.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert slaps Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'remember that faye wong song, ' all eyes on me ' ?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, better get the wight one, next,a nd have a zombie government'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she also worked at Twitter, which is about as diametrically opposed to privacy as it gets'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'except that twitter has no potential for hidden sensitive data.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Tiger.. I hate to say it, but I don't think you have the slightest clue.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf, daloran'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who's Briton''
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost chuckles at Daloran's joke.
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a good indicator of why i hate article writers: "Among other accomplishments, McLaughlin and his successor, Daniel Weitzner, led the White House's efforts on a consumer privacy bill of rights that grants consumers internet-surfing protections such as a "do not track" capability, a technology adopted by web browsers to blocks advertisers from using cookies to track internet users."'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who's Briton's "privacy officer"?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'anaristos do you think canidates with ovaries, or without ovaries, will be more sensitive to the issues'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who gives a monkies about cookies when the servers don't require cookies to track you?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'mmnm, layer 4 and beyond. cookies. dpi. and huggles!'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why was it such a break through when you could disable cookies in your browser since pretty much cookies were invented'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, what about pfa'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'professional footballers association? what about them?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nah :) google it. or ask ms wong to google it for you'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'our thinking is a colored by our emotions which are a function of our hormones. That said, I don't think that it makes much difference.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would have liked to have seen a someone with a good grounding in constitutional law, who actually supports the rule of law and constitution, who is also a security expert to have got the role, not some vapid liberal who cut their teeth with vapid Twitter and GoogleNSA'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'I for one welcome our new search engine overlords.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, are you banned on twitter, is that it?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'cosntitutional law doesn't help. There is no provision for privacy in the constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'yes there is. 4th amendmant moron'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like saying "we need a renowned, skilled musician to help lead our policy on teaching music in schools - i know, let's hire Will fucking I am'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts most professional musicians and most music academicians are very different groups of people'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it may be inferred from the 4USAmend, it's not spelled out anywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point, VD'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'no its not, what those groups really want is funding, not a new czar'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be like hiring Charlie Sheen as the new drugs czar'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Entering a camel in the Kentucky Derby'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Entering Warwick Davis in the tallest woman in the world competition'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'btw, tiger, is it just me, or is the latesy bleach arc too predictable, making uryyu a sacrificial body for bach to overtake just seems too obvious'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hesitate to say it, it's like making Ed Balls shadow chancellor when he can't count to 5'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't watch it, VD'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger why not? too cool for you?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watch very little telly, and what telly i do watch, i wouldn't want to see silly japanese cartoons'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'do you think it's safe to eat an entire carton of yogurt in one sitting?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'it expires tomorrow'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you don't mind some constipation :)'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either eat it, or leave it for a week and use it as foot cream'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'why constipation?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ah, i dont need to cream my feet, thank you though tiger'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'excessive comsumption of milk products may lead to constipation.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'really? is it the calcium, the casein, what?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i thought yogurt was good for the digestive tract?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know, and it doesn't happen to all.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nothing is good in excess'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only if it has 'bifidus-regularus', and is spoon fed to you by Jammie Lee Curtis'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'well... if i dont eat all 2 lbs, what should i do with the rest, since tiger's foot creamery isnt gonna help'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or sweet acidopulous'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Eat? It doesn't go in that end..'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'daloran sure it does =) it's not your mom'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'mmnm tasty so far. maybe i can make those glazed pretzel things'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Really? You're going to go with a mother joke?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your mom > you'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'So, what are you implying'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'that those glazed pretzel things might be good'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'riiiiighttttt.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23119656'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get used to it, it's started happening in the UK and US too'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, and it's mainly the Shia minority targeted by the government for political dissent, well there's a surprise'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wow, 7 plainsclothes agents all but attacked an SUV of college coeds after one of them came out of a qwikEmart with a 12-pack of water they mistook for beer.'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'where is this?'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she was later pulled over by a uniformed cop and arrested on felony charges (grand total of 15 years and $7500 in fines for three charges).'
T3/r7/2013-06-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was in Charlottesville, Virginia'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I just learned about a country I'd never heard of before because of a scam email...who says they're not valuable!'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://pastebin.com/cg3XyBaH'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and another spam with the ironic subject "Internet marketing is dead"'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'interesting stuff...  I would suppose that the BENIN REPUBILC's wire fraud department is not exactly state-of-the-art'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'why is america building tanks , are thay planing WW3?'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'todays tanks are for tommorow's war... who knows?'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'i dont like what america dose to test their weapons but its a good idea more countrys should do as america dose . . '
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a very 'bait' heavy hook'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'no its not , when america wants to test a new weapon , guess where it gose? Iraq babe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I chose not to debate that issue... as a veteran of the Iraq and afghanistan wars, I am too emotionally attached'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'sorry. . .'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... no need to be sorry.  It could be a very active debate... I just don't care to myself.  someone else might like to engage'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'where's Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. he's usually up for some good 'ol USA bashing'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tigernuts is late :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, he never bashes USA, only what Americans are letting it become'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'its 5am'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was so important that required me to debate about anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'watch this, then wonder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SRkFDcX_72c'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like the water that puddles up around the cattle feeder out in the pasture'
T3/r7/2013-07-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'apparently, the derogetory use of the word "cracker" to describe a white person is "politically correct", and NOT at all improper since is part of the "black english" lexicon.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so by that logic the use of a "white english" lexicon permits the politically-correct proper use of various words to describe nonwhites and other ethnic minorities - interesting'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so a logical person would think... but no.  that is an incorrect assumption'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which was sort of the point of my initial comment... If you consider the english language, for the most part, one english speaker can ferret out what another is saying regardelss of regional dialects... it can be tough, but is mostly possible... now comes along "black english", and it's completly incomprehensible to a non-black english speaker.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is to say a non-"black english" speaker, as opposed to a "black PERSON" who speaks english'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is a "cracker" - a "perceur du coffres-fort" ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how was Oceans Eleven thru Oceans Thirteen derogatory'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Safecracker Box?  I don't follow'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the french even composed a catchy song singing the praises of "perceurs du coffres-fort" '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... I see now.  you're not from the USA... "Cracker" is a derogetory term (as in saltine cracker) used in "black english" to describe white people.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "blacks" are simply envious that whites are successful at the skills used by the Oceans Eleven team'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the white perspective, "cracker" seems to be a term of praise'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wasn't the "ocean's eleven" crew's safe cracker black?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'saltine crackers are tasty'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'played by Don Cheadle (from Iron Man)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did not notice any coloreds in Oceans Eleven other that that oriental contortionist - if there were, was psychological filtering '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bernie Mac was in elven - cheadle was in thirteen'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if Oceans Eleven used a "black" as a "cracker", then that was an inside joke poking fun at "blacks"'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'didn't see Oceans Thirteen yet '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as Stephen Colbert proudly says "I don't see color" -- he's colorblind?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'everyone sees color (metaphorically)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how we apply that can, however, vary'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everybody is a racist, especially nonracists'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd agree with that IF you substitute "racist" with "bigot"... "Racist" is an EXTREMELY mis-used word.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'that very well might be but the types of racists are different also..'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i don't like foreign looking people who don't know how to behave in someone elses home'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'technically im a racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"the right to rule inferior races" is a key component of the definition of the word "Racist"... Hitler was a racist... someone who doesn't like another race is a bigot....  technically, you are a BIGOT'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, some may be a tolerant racist but not necessarily an intolerant bigot'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'allright. good enough for me'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you might not LIKE that other race, and you might even talk smack about that other race... but unless you believe you have a right (devine or otherwise) to RULE that race, you not a racist... and that's how I feel the word "racist" has been WAY over used.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'divine**'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I don't like non-foreign-looking people who don't know how to behave in someone else's home'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "desire to rule other races" is not the definition of "racist"'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'vonliege, you don't get to make up your own definitions of words and then claim that others misuse them'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... but it IS a important PART of the definition'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the desire to improve one's own race, that is (good) racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well.. I suppose it was inevitable that "your own definition" would come up.... I'm jsut using what's in the definition.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm, i get some additional grudge when the bad behaver looks and talks funny'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the desire to excel at the Olympics, that is racism!'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the desire to breed superior offspring, that is racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'The only definition I can find that involves that is "a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others."'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which "the" definition are you referring to...racism does include believing yours to be superior, but that's not right to rule...most people today don't consider "ruling" at all'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'please note that usually does not imply invariably, and certainly does not imply that that is the only definition of the word'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's the #1 definition from "dictionary.com":  "a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. "'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, that is the one I just pasted'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'dictionary.com is bigoted'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, "usually involving" is what it says...lrn2read before correcting others misuse ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I will repeat myself -- please note that usually does not imply invariably, and certainly does not imply that that is the only definition of the word'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'world english dictionary -- "the belief that races have distinctive cultural characteristics determined by hereditary factors and that this endows some races with an intrinsic superiority over others "'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm tracking your point now.... havn't decided if I agree with it yet... but I'm tracking'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, definitions of words don't require you personally to agree with them ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but you've just proved everyone else's point'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's a slightly different tangen - I don't "like" the over use of the word racist.  "Racist" is so often used to confer a high sense of "victim status"... the word bigot just doesn't confer the same sense of "i'm a victim" as "bigot" does.  I get tired of people playing the victim. '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I messed that up'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, there certainly are people who will go all 'you're racist!' when the fact is that they're fuckwits'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"playing the race card" is overused definitely'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'edit: "...sense of "i'm a victim" as "racist" does."'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'one of my friends had a student who was the only (race) student in a class accuse her of racism after he failed -- the reason he failed is that he never submitted the final paper and missed over half of the classes. '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that's where I'm coming from, Majic...  '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, and that's why a good class syllabus includes a breakdown of grade points'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but that doesn't mean that there isn't legitimate racism still out there, it just means that some people jump on the bandwagon when they don't deserve to be there'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'abe, the breakdown was on the syllabus, and he was laughed out of the dean of students office'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'this happened a long time ago: one black guy entered our music school once. we looked at him curiously because none of us had seen one before. so he started yelling and cursing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so sensitive..'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but the students who fail also tend to be sufficiently innumerate that they don't understand that getting C's on 20% of the work and F's on the rest does not transfer to a passing grade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'especially since your friends means it's prolly a math course ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, actually, that one was english, but yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in addition to pass/fail, we should get to take classes as mean, median or mode :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what got me started on this whole thread this morning was the comment by Rachel Jeantel during her testimony in the Zimmerman trial.  "Creepy-ass white cracker" was determined to be part of "black english" rather than a racial slur.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You roll on the floor, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nice'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but "african-american male" is racial profiling'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as if the two were mutually exclusive... if it's part of "black english", it CAN'T be a racial slur'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'the n-word is just part of southern contemporary vernacular...'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tell that to paula dean today'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT'S the kind of rhetoric that keeps me a "bigot"'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'whats a good english word opposite to "racist"'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'non-racist? :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'accepting/tolerant?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no.. the ones who looove the other race'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bertilak: 'jungle fever?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although I don't like "tolerance" since to me it connotes more "put up with" than acceptance'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tolorence (a four leter word in my opinion)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'tolerance is in the middle'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to me, the use of the ord "tolerence" means that "I do not have a right to believe strongly about..."'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'off to buy some groceries (to include Crackers)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'What do you guys think are some of the barriers to mobile data services?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cost'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then right after that, cost, cost and cost'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US, it's virtually imposible to get a smart phone without a $50 data plan'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'even if you go from one wifi spot to the next'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'besides costs...what other barriers are there?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'also besides tech savviness'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while there are some locations that do not have adequate coverage in the US, Cost is pretty much the only limit... given enough $$, you have no barriers to data'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what area are we talking about here?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '$/data ratio is still absolutely absurd though.  You can blame that on margins.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"pay as you go" is cheap, then search for inexpensive wifi locations'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'preferably asia, but other countries is fine as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tymas nods at Zade.
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what carrier do you have that lets you 'pay as you go'?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'there are several prepaid plans offering that service'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'sure some postpaid as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I searched high and low... I couldn't find a carrier that would let you have a smartphone on 'pre-pay', OR 'pay as you go''
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I even considered buying an iPhone outright, but none of the carriers would activate or service it without a two-year, $50/month data plan'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'go look at tmobile, i want to say they are no contracts right now'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to use te wifi connection on a self-paid smartphone, do you even require a phone account'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are goning to data-surf at an inexpensive wifi location, you are not using the phone service '
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "pay as you go" option ($100 per year) in Canada is merely to dump the home phone (when the only phone calls are telemarketers, wrong numbers, the rare emergency)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'paying for home-broadband (with voip), TV-cable (if not using the broadband for news), and a portable wifi smartphone, is going to add up to a serious waste of cash for the nonbusiness user'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the big defect with the internet-connection smartphone options, is that every few years the smartphones and software become obsolete, so that hardware expense may be a large percentage to the monthly plan expenses (even if the hardware is part of the plan - steep monthly fees, locked in contracts)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'newer software requires newer hardware, so unless you are a business user, or a serious addict, how do you justify the extra costs'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently, i am looking at  smartphones, tablets, ultrabooks, laptops, gaming desktop - waste of serious money to get more than two of those gizmos'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, three men invaded a Texas family's home at the weekend'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'demanding money, two died, the other escaped with his life'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'contrast with the home invasion in NYC where a black guy beat a white women to a pulp for 15 minutes in front of her 3yr old son'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference? No guns in NYC'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'more anecdotes please!'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have the news link if you like: http://www.click2houston.com/news/man-fatally-shoots-2-intruders-after-home-invasion-in-north-houston/-/1735978/20780926/-/11s90bez/-/index.html'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FksW03PA96s'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully there'll be riots when Trayvon Martin is acquitted, we need a cull.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deaths due to murders committed with guns is less than 1/6th the number of deaths due to prescription medication overdose, or at least those are the figures for 2010'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when are we going to ban prescription meds?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'how many lives are saved by perscription drugs?  how many by guns?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither of those have been calculated, but they are both positive numbers'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but backs up the point nicely, you WOULDNT ban prescription medicine even with those figures because of the positive things it provides, likewise there is no real justification for banning guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(no legal justification either)'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'our society likes taking away personal responsibility and placing the onus on inanimate objects, then ban or control those objects, because, you know, we can't be responsible'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, fucked up, crazy, and utterly bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I can't really argue with you because you said "hopefully there'll be riots when Trayvon Martin is acquitted, we need a cull...."  kind of makes me question why you want guns to be legal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want them to be legal because they shouldn't be illegal'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government should be there to ensure people's rights, not erode them'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's a Drudge Report article about a guy asking $30 million to do a head transplant...'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I hope he doesn't come up short'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mad scientists always existed, they just mostly work for Montsanto now'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only hangup we have for such a procedure is that the central nerve cells don't regenerate.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's basically bollocks, is what you're saying'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Drudge report is bollocks ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the science is bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'about THAT guy doing one, yeah.  About human medical science doing one?  It's just a matter of time, technologically speaking, and not a long wait at that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't hold your breath'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, no, there's a decent amount of research into figuring out and then dealing with why the central nervous system doesn't regenerate.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we'll probably put the kibosh on such a thing due to ethical reasons, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is there any threat of law being enforced in the USA yet, or are the adminstration being given a pass for all the shit they've been pulling?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically, even having a federal department of education is illegal'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where did the 30m figure come from - crass greed'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'send the guy to Africa, theu'll gladly transplant his head for far less, and maybe shrink the head as part of the service'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Africa gave us Obama, can't we send him back?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'white powah!'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll exchange him for Archbishop Desmond Tutu'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chess KING SlyZoR: 'lol Usa will go down then'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go down where?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chess KING SlyZoR: 'down the sewer pipes.. desmond tutu is not all there in his mind'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently the replacements for Barack Obama do not seem either competent or qualified -- a situation which may become serious as 2016 approaches'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who are your replacements?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the losers of the 2012 primaries'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well go vote for Jessie Ventura instead then'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jessie who?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''the BOD''
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know full well you're screwed whoever you get, since the machine excludes libertarian candidates from gaining office'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'former wrestler, former governor of minnesota'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND former Arena Football Announcer'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND Actor... all at the same time'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at a stretch, Rand Paul might go for the GOP choice, but he has no chance of winning against the neocon machinery'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto you won't get any sensible candidate from the democrips'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't even think of a vaguely libertarian democrat, they're all shit for as far as i know'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the last name, rhyming with the name of a song featuring a highway, is neither a believable not adequate qualifification'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nor'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who, zade, ventura?'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's better qualified than Hilary Clinton'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm with the herd here... no viable candidates on either side... I'm hoping for a dark horse from somehwere'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ventura was pretty much a non-governor in MN... he had some smart people that ran the place while he announced arena football... he didn't really make any bad messes either'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Ventura" as a name sounds too slick, reminiscent of an italian con-artist from some bad movie, and or a contrived stage-name'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now compare to Hilary, who was castigated for dodgy providing a fraudulent brief during the watergate scandal, who tried and failed to cover up her departments fuckups that led to the murder of the US ambassador to libya by lying'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ventura is a stage name, zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a neocon at heart, but I understand the neccesity of a 'moderate' candidate.  But not so moderate that the libs and cons just spend four years stroking each other.'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '-g 25'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you believe people should have freedom with regards to property, but not with regard to actions'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think you were looking for the "h" key'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'actors are usually bad politicians: Ronald Reagan'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'RR was fine til the bastards got to him'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's also the source of one of the best quotes ever'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'saying that RR sucked is like saying that ford is better than chevy, or that mcdonalds is better than wendys... I liked RR.  He whooped the ruskies'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't bad, either: "Recession is when your neighbor loses his job. Depression is when you lose yours. And recovery is when Jimmy Carter loses his."'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but ford is better than chevy.. lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're both shit, was the point'
T3/r7/2013-07-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'OK, is the World War Z movie supposed to be zombies, or the letter Z as in apocalyptic extinction event classification?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I dont want a debate though. I jsut wanted thoughts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Just curious what the rest of the world thinks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'this channel isn't solely used for debating its used for subjects that can be talked about near endlessly or are political'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'The title is misleading.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'But understood.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'but looks like most of the others that frequent this channel aren't hear atm'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'here*'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I agree with you Ichorid that everybody spy everyone, but we are so phoney about it, if it was crystal clear, there would be no Snowden'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Well, now that I am here. Governments always have spied, they always will. No one gives a shit that you are upset about it and there is nothing you can or will ever do to change it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'and to the nations upset about the US keeping tabs on their import export etc, you have the same info of ours. Information always has been and always will be the most important resource and no responsible nation will ever give that up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'However commaa, spying is shitty.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'US always said they would never spy on US citizen in the public debate, yet again covertly they do, just say it publicly and be done with it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'there would be no Snowden, no Manning, no Assange'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'The problem is that the modern citizen does not want to give up the things needed for modern society imo.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'You want trains and computers and internet and malls, you have to give some things up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'well we give up more money :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Anywho, I am glad this matter is settled.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'settled how ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I feel better after shouting. I consider it settled. '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I will say this though, spying is quite rude and it bothers me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'rofl :) I see, to me it's not settled, I'd like him to find asylum somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'His life is ruined. He is already sitting in his own mess in that airport. Russia told him to gtfo. Not even cuba will accept him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Who will accept a man known for treason backed by WikiLeaks, an organization known for leaking everything?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He played his hand poorly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He is 27 or something and he played it like a 27 year old.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I understand US will to put him in prison since he broke laws, but on the other hand he did the right thing, so I think it is fundamently wrong to prevent him going anywhere, but I guess some people high in Obama government want to prove a point at all cost'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Is the right thing though? Look what it did to the state of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'What do you think should happen to him?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Right when we were about to go to the table on a new free trade agreement.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'this is a phoney debate, publicly european nations are pissed to look right in front of their people, but in private, they don't give a shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are missing the point. By concentrating on what he did wrong they can divert attention away from what he published. Similar to arguing about the quality of a handgun used in a murder rather than concentrating on the murder itself.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'because as you said, they also spy on US so they don't care'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He published white noise. Nothing of note.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'NSA taps phones. FBI logs every ship in and out of foreign ports.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you are missing the point. The NSA wasn't spying on Russia, they were spying on the US.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'this will have no effect on the trade agreement at all, might just slightly delay it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Delay = money.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Huge... amounts... of money.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Not just that, look what it did to the sheeple in america. Everyone is losing the god damned minds over this,'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'money not spent if you ask me... it's not like a trade agreement will change the commercial balance deficit of US'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'For fifteen minutes'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I see that from the response to what I said, you don't feel too disturbed about blatant government spying on taxpayers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Oh trust me, I dont like it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'To me though, it jsut seems necessary.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'What bothers me more is no one said shit when Bush sign in the Patriot Act'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you think it's necessary? I guess you also would agree that the COINTELPRO program run by Hoover was necessary also.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Here is what I think.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I think large things work much differently than big things.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I mean small things work differently than large things.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you don't mind living in a police state.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I hate it. I come from Texas. That is about as police as it gets in the States.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'A cop on every corner.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'It is grey, very grey.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'democracy is a great thing, isn't it? Just because it looks  just like what dictatorship would look like it doesn't mean it's bad :>'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Look dude, Im a friggin hippy. I hate 'the man' as much as every one else. I think I am just more ready to accept that some things will always be than others.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I hate weapons of war. I hate missiles and bombs. It would be irresponsible for my government to not have them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'too much surveillance is bad, there need to be a balance... for example Russia, in theory a complete democracy, in practice a complete dictatorship due to being a police state with KGB in full control, US is not that much far back, if it keeps going'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, you give an appearance of wanting the freedom afforded by a democracy, but don't mind living in a police state. I get it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'on the other hand, I agree that you need surveillance, but balance is everything'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'What was too much about what he leaked?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He leaked things that everyone already knew.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'God knows what is -actually- going on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He was some 'fringe' 27 year old. He didnt know anything worth knowing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Again, you concentrate on the individual rather than his information. You act as if the NSA domestic spying is ok because the information was outed by a 27yo'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'he leaked things that a certain class of people knew, far from everyone, my mother, my brother, my father wouldn't expect government spying every phone call, email, skype conversation'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'now everyone knows :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I dont know many people that didnt know the government was spying.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'The only people I know like that also go to church and give them 10% of their money every week.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'sure spying in foreign countries, spying on terrorists, but spying your grand mother ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'spying your children ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'They were not reading your emails.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'But that is because they don't pay attention, this same exact information was in the news ten years ago with the same amount of aghast furor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can speculate about government spying, but you can't accuse them of doing so unless there is evidence. Evidence that is being discredited, not because it's not valid, but because it was exposed by a 27yo.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'that I agree with you Arnica we have a short attention span, too short...'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'There was evidence. The Patriot Act.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Whatever the hell the name of the bill is that I am too lazy to look up that gives them the power to do this that is signed every year.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'This information was already public.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Idk... I mean, I am mad jsut like every one else, I just wish they would get a little more realistic about the world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, if Obama would have said publicly that the NSA was doing domestic spying, everyone would have gone ape shit. But since an individual exposed the agency, then everyone attacks him, not because he is lying, but because he is  a whistle blower. We all know that a whistle blower is the lowest life form. We rather be spied  on than have to listen to some whistle blower tell us how the government is sticking a broom up our arses.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I see your point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Once again, I guess I am just more upset with the average citizien for not being aware enough to already know this was going on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'can you point to anything the government is saying about the actual spying? Has Obama said that he has ordered the NSA to stop? No, nothing like that is going to happen. By the time they get through with this guy, that is all people will remember about it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I don't want him go back to the US as a hero because he ain't one, he broke laws, but I don't want him to go to prison either because to me he did the right thing, I'd like to see him go to elsewhere, not get stuck forever in an airport, he will never see his family and his wife again anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Some things imo are bigger than a man.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he doesn't have to be either a hero or a goat, he is not important. The important thing is the information he gave us. Concentrate on that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Do you know he has a family like that? I have noit seen that in the news.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'His life is meaningless when weighed against the gears of the worl'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I just want him to go to trial and be done with it. I agree, he is just a cry baby 27 year old.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'He is an expensive mess, his trial will cost millions and his upkeep for the rest of his unproductive life will probably be a hundred million.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who cares whether he has a family or not?  Let's go back to my point about the gun. Everyone is oohing and ahhing about the gun and ignoring the dead person. They concentrate on the weapon's to divert the attetion away from the corpse. Same thing with this thing. They concentrate on the exposing individual, rather on what was exposed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I want to know who paid him to make Obama look bad.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Listen man, heroes die. This is not the movies. One mans happiness weighed against the world running smoothy is a no brainer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He knew what he was getting in to.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'He signed the contract.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'In the big boy world there are big boy consiquesnces that your mom cannot get you out of.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who gives a shit about what he was getting into? Still don't get it. Forget about the guy. Concentrate on the fact that the NSA is doing domestic spying and getting away with it. That is what matters.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I am concentrating on that. I have been since bush was in office.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Every one I know has been concentrating on that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'well I hope Ichorid that you wouldn't mind that US policy will drift toward Russia policy later on ? Obey laws at all cost, or go to prison forever'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'You don't get it, they have been doing that since the origin of the internet, and every informed geek knew it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Again man, I think spying is rude. I dont like it. But this is the real world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'This is oldnews.com'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'spying with a goal is fine Ichorid, but blindly spying on US citizen ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't get it. It is one thing to say that they have been doing it since the universe was rising from the primordial soup, it's another thing to say "I have proof"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Do you really think they comb your emails nightly?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Do you think you are that important?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Only Americans think they are important enough for the government to give two shits about them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, Ichorid. Now I understand why this society is going down the toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I may be idealistic a bit about it, but government is elected, and you have the government you deserve... but you can always change that'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'govt is made of americans just like you'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'no its not, its made of americans with political donors'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'some even think that the Internet is made of pipes'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'This society is going downhill because everyone is too fucking lazy to get up early in the morning and go to work. They watch so much TV they think they are special like the people on TV.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The US is the last country in the world, literally, to ever complain about government abuse of rights. They believe that the shit doesn't stink in the US. So when someone comes along and says "See, the US government treats you just like dictatorships treat their citizens" it is a big deal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'and they vote laws'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ichorid if the rich don't work in the morning, why should the poor'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Not because people like me are sobor about the situation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that gives a lie to the claim by the government that it is a democracy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude probes Ichorid. You feel disgusted, yet slightly aroused.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'anaristos it is a democracy, people have guns. if it wasnt a democracy someone wouldnt get to keep guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Because that is the way nature works.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'There are worker bees and there are queens.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ichorid you fancy yourself a queen?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'We forget that we are animals in the animal kingdom, only our jungles happen to be made of concrete and steel.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Sometimes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'very profound and beside the point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I think it is quite to it...'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that even after another proof of the government moving apace toward a police state, the people run to the drugstores to buy petroleum jelly so that when the government sticks the broom up their asses they can grease it up and make it go in deeper.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'anaristos does that really work? i havent had your experience'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's theoretically workable :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'note, however, that petroleum jelly is rather unstable at high temperatures, so you will have to ask the government to stick the broom rather slowly :>'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'All I know... is that when Obama reads the logs from tonight on Aardwold, he will know I am cool and to leawve me alone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when the NSA processes these logs you are as will be in a sling. You have engaged in sedition.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'according to the PATRIOT act, speaking against the US government is cause enough to brand one an enemy combatant :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Psh, the only hot water I will be in will be my Facebook poste I made about Michelles ass. Shits dank.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Hands down hottest first lady next to young hillary.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I want to buy that woman a bottle of wine. Mhm...'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hillary needs a nose job :('
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Hillary is old.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Old people get old looking.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'She did her time. Ill give her a pass.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'now you are in deep trouble Ichorid, Obama will catch you :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'Ichorid what do you think about Russia political system ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nan, what's a good 64-bit implementation of 2048-bit encryption w. blockmode cipher on linux?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Michelle is alright looking, but frankly, the US first ladies have never been known for their ravishing beauty :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Ichorid before you answer, remember that Dagestan is still part of Russia'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I dont know enough about russian politics to have an opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Barbara Bush, bless her soul, will stand second behind Eleanor Roosevelt :) '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude knows the difference between Zviadism and Dherjava.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude can't tell you anything about Putin or Zhirinovsky though... let alone Skokov.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I know Putin is an ass hole, but a classy ass hole who does old school business. Old school business is dirty, but it gets things done.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'well to make a long story short, what would you think at having Obama for two terms, then Joe Biden for a single term, then Obama again for two, forever ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Ichorid and look at his nice rolex'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'you can always trust a former spy with a nice watch.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'amazing :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'It -is- a nice watch.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you admire the man for being a "classy" asshole. Wow'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'look at Assaunge, or Snowden. they're trustable and they have awesome watches'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Assange? how the heck do you spell that guys name anyhow'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Did I say I admire him?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Ichorid btw are you the guy that eats counters and gets +x/+o ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I dont get it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'k.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I want to get it. : \'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'he's asking if you took your name from a card game, called Magic The Gathering'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Oh hell yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ah. the internet says ichorid is the 3/1 horror that comes back'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Card is SO good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'I was thinking of a different card :('
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'specifically this one http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=35923 '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'you're not even as cool as a nettling imp.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Well... so tech.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'All the MTG villan names were taken.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude is a dci promo version of a card.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude waits for the first person to figure it out.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude faints as Ichorid sneaks up to him and shouts "Boogy Woogy OOY!!"
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'That was supposed to be a Boo-this-man.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Ichorid what formats do ya play?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'I started the game in Tempest block playing what was then called Type 1.5 now legacy. Quit the game after onslought block because the game was going poorly. Came back and played standard for Lor block and loved it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'But Went for that block to Yughiou because there was just too much money in Yughi.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'And Dark Armed Dragon is such a good card it just demands that you play Yughi.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Instead of wet dreams I have dreams where I summon 'DAD' for free, destroy their back row and kill their front row ramming for the win.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'It just feels so damn good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hmmn. Yugioh has drake sac '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: '...and gadgets. O_O'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'And Monarchs, the most stable deck ever build in any game ever.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ichorid: 'Yughi turned into such a good friggin game.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'has anyone ever been in a store that tacked on a "proccessing fee?"  I've been in a restaraunt that auto-charged a gratuity, and I've seen "restocking' fees...  but a fee to get something off the shelf for you? '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'convenience fee'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'next, they'll be charging you for the climate control in the store'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'i mean all things considered that goes into the product price right? so we payin for it anyways'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we already pay for those things. They usually don't show them separately though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some establishments even charge you a fee based on how you make your purchase.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and a few dollars for the printed invoice'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's almost as bad as the "as seen on TV" stuff where the item costs $19.99, but the shipping and HANDLING is $420.00'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'example ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can understand rolling the prive of overhead into the cost of your merchandise... that's called "making a living"... but to show a price on the shelf, then double it at the cash register where some people won't even notice it (at the time of purchase) is just crooked, somehow.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'processing fee is more than likely the transaction charge for using CC'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'did you pay by CC?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BTW... I was REALLY over dramatizing the $420.00 handling fee.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... CC.  But even so, that's generally in the 2 to 2.5% range'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'well what was the transaction totals. i dont know the numbers so your not making this easy'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was being somewhat rhetorical, anyway... wasn't really looking for an answer or a solution... just struck me as peculiar, is all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"smallenfreuden" is resulting in "hurtenvendor" (with the Visa adverts)_'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'well your answer will be credit card related i guarentee it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I don't like it when they add the gratuity. That's something you pay when you liked what you got.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they are saying that you are cheap, and won't voluntarily pay a gratuity even if you liked the service (or maybe they know the service was bad)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'usually auto-charge of gratuity is on large tables'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in my specific case, I was in a local electronics store... the price of the item (a small-ish BT ipod speaker) cost $59.99 as marked on the box and shelf...  there were tickets that you took to the counter to have a clerk get the item from the stock room.  The final price was $84.56.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what's that famous history museum in NYC?  They have a menu of prices for admission similar to theme parks but in actuality they're on a donation model and you can get in for a quarter.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and what's the reason for auto-added gratuity for groups of say five and larger?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'because larger groups are both more work and more likely to stiff the server'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hmm, more work than two smaller groups with same total number of individuals?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some restaurants no longer allow tipping, building the gratuity into the bill for everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'yep, because you're keeping track of more people's orders'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'frankly hans, I'd rather have it that way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '9.5% of that (roughly $6) was sales tac... that left the $18.xx proccessing fee'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a few restaurants are getting rid of gratuity and tipping entirely, with tips going to the establishment in the form of donations.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'processing fee is supposed to be illegal unless specified in advance (unless in a crook country)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'incidentally, that same item was also available at the big-box store for the same price....  My guess is that the local shop advertised the same price, then charged the proccessing fee to actually make some money on the item...  I didn't get the item, but only because I bothered to look at the reciept.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'false advertising'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you're against mom and pops?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when the clerk (not-a-rocket-surgeon) did the refund, I didn't get refunded the $18.xx....  took a manager to straighten it out.  I really don't think they'll be in business for too long.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'well, I would be against being lied to a lot more than I would be against mom and pops'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the hidden processing fee was fraud'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ironically, Hans, I am all for the mom and pop... I actually went 12 years without darkening the door of a walmart... I'll still bay a bit more for the mom and pop... but I really felt USED in this case.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe.  I bet more gets taken from double-swipes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'I don't really think 'well the big boxes are unethical' justifies unethical behaviour on the part of small stores'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hey.. in the old days of the corner grocery, a clerk with a fast thumb was priceless to the shop owner!  =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'frankly, if I saw something like that and didn't notice it until I saw the receipt, I would never darken the door of that shop again, and I would make sure all my friends knew as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tenar - yes... it's unlikely that that shop will last long... small-ish town'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what I DON'T grumble about is the extra baggage fees and meal costs on airlines........'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'those I can find online, so I plan it into the cost of my budget'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'I flew to a 5-day conference last fall with everything in my backpack :D'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'airlines have always been a low margin enterprise... many of them barely skipping along, and plenty failing... if the bags and meals wern't extra, they'd just be rolled into the cost of EVERYONES tickets... at least this way, I can CHOOSE not to pay for the crappy inflight meal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can get on the plane first if you have no luggage that can't fit under your seat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'right, I'm just fine with choosing not to pay for a crappy meal. I had cheese and crackers in my luggage'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'My family just got back from a plane trip... we came through the Atlanta APT, and ended up at the wrong gate for our connection.. it was about a 80 minute layover, so I noted the error with plenty of time to spare... what ELSE I noted was that the Airtran and Southwest depature gates (we were flying delta) were all utter CHAOS!...  Delta cost a bit more, but they really know how to handle the cattle.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they're all about the same once you get in the air, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'except for LIAT, which is short for Languishing In Airport Terminals.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenar: 'I flew delta recently because they were the only one who flew into an airport I was going to -- one of the things I noticed was the cell phone/computer charging stations all over the place in their lounges'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had to google LIAT...  Carribean, huh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Virgin CEO managed to get his hands on a LIAT complaint letter, the flight had 6 layovers (complete with missing out the last ferry of the day to his destination in Tortola), apparently the food was worse than normal, and they lost the guy's bag.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'speaking of Richard Branson... has anyone else noticed how often he's seen on TV with, or in proximity to Hillary?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Clinton or Duff?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Billary'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't say I noticed, but then again it wouldn't surprised me.  He strikes me as ultra-liberal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... maybe its not all THAT often.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'looks like morsi is being taken down right now'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mubarak Mark II.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was a bad deal from the begining... "We" wanted a democratically elected leader - we pledged $$$... then the idiot mob elects a hard line muslim.... go figure'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when I say "hard line muslim", I am not judging.. only infering that he's not US friendly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ironically, It's the egyptian MILITARY that seems to be the most stable entity in that country... they grab control in the midst of chaos, and hand over power to a democratically elected leader... the mob riots so the Military takes control AGAIN to get rid of the democratically elected leader.... I wonder if they will give power back to the NEXT democratically elected leader?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe they should just hang on to power for a little while.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bah..... sat TV is down because of rain... can't watch the news'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have that sucker super-tuned, too... with a completley unobstructed view of the satallite'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'except for the rain and clouds, of course'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'http://www.facebook.com/renaissancebelote'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear about the Texas senator who was threatened with rape regarding that abortion bill?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'devout religious folk are threatening rape ?!?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'wouldnt be the first time'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'remember that guy in the bible who raped that chick and then had his foreskin cut off so he could marry her and was murdered in his sleep'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'since it came up on Fox, I assumed it was the religious one being threatened'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'okay, while I definitely agree that comments like 'I hope you get raped' are completely uncouth and beyond the pale, I wouldn't really class that as 'threatened with rape''
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic what about, "I hope you come drink at my local bar, and then get raped"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i think that would make it more magnified as a threat than your statement begins to'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'was that said?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic not that i know of, i dont really care about texas, i think we could just give it back to mexico'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because the sources I saw first just said they were comments like 'I hope you get raped' and 'I hope your kid gets raped''
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and we should give california to the pacific.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and while I agree that that's a fucking repulsive thing to say'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I still don't think it's 'threatening them with rape''
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'shrug, free speech and such .'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'if you wanna be a lawmaker, gotta get used to it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... I have no idea what you're trying to say'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'per presidential guidelines, it constitutes a valid threat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans well, are we talking forcibly raped, statutorily raped, rapied while under the influence of alcohol/narcotics, or raped when he's old and senile and unable to consent?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the SS isn't going to just laugh and ignore when someone says "I hope you die, Mr. President!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'context matter when it comes to statements like that. you must focus on that to derive the intent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'shrugs, I don't think that wishing harm on someone should qualify as a threat (regardless as to whether it legally does)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'if its the old and senile version, s.s. protection may be lapsed by then'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the uncouth was obviously attempting to spread terrorism with that statement'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'like threatening to beat up a police officer the day after he retired'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic like wishing that osama bin laden die in a gun battle, for example, lots of people wished that, but most didnt go buy a gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'threats have to hold more in weight than just a verbal communication.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in MO, or maybe on the Federal level, rape is on the block to get a definition change.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those threatening words were an attempt to cause discomfort even terror in the target'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inciting a lynch mob mentality is perhaps an attempt to incite terror(ism)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's going to include the use of drugs/alcohol or any situation that removes the capacity of the victim to say no.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans unless they consented first'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'but hans, funny question, what if both participants are drunk?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, even if they say yes while drunk or blackmailed or whatever, it'll still count as rape.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, no , say yes before they drink'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so what if both of them were drunk and both of them claimed that they meant to say no and would have if they were sober, did they rape each other? :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i.e. we're going to go to dinner, have drinks, come home, have sex'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans i disagree, i think it's a legitimate defense to the charge if they can show that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'seriously, are both of them going to be charged? :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the fact that the submissive party was unable to say no invalidates the previous yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic no, only the man would be charged, unless they're both men'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Nah, only the man Maj. Happened to my brother, though the charges were dropped.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans which party is the submissive party?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'one on bottom?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'is that code for vagina, or are you saying something more complex?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the one doing the catching, I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'submissive party seems pretty open to interpretation'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I mean, I personally know a guy who passed out and woke up to a girl riding him. :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic well, laws open to interpretation are the best kind :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'been there a few times myself majic :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic awe, i wanna try that... or was she fat?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and frankly, I do think that case was rape and would have been charged as such if the genders were reversed -- she had been trying to get in his pants for two years :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic rofl, i wonder if it was worth the wait'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this law change would remove gender-related issues like that.  Sure, what guy would say no to that sort of thing...but the fact he didn't say no doesn't mean it's okay.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, so for example, if a girl rapes a guy with the new law and some alcohol, and a child comes of the union, is he responsible for its welfare?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Heh, Hans, see, the problem is sexist reasoning like that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"Guys always want it!" is exactly why men get raped and get laughed at when they report it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'cuth not if she's fat'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I think a guy who says yes while under the influence is a hell of a lot more likely to say 'fuck, I shouldn't have drunk that much''
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and not report it because he's thinking he's just going to run into the 'haha guys always want it' reaction'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'majic i prefer that 'nobody touches me with impunity ' approach ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Look at that guy a few months ago in Toronto. 4 women got him drunk, loaded him into their car, drove him to a parking lot and raped him. General reaction? "Lol, he was just mad that they were fat!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'even if the sex was good while being raped by a non fat chick while drunk, i'd not leave it at that'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the new law just widens the reach of the law to include activities that made that kind of sex not-rape.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans does it include heavy petting?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your putting to much emphasis on verbal communication and not giving any attention to the act of drinking itself, what that means, what pre-conditions are normally associated with it, and what actions tend to evolve from it.  Your telling me these 2 had no idea and just learned during the drinking itself that things start happening?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid i already mentioned that before. scroll up'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude will brb, is finding sake.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think heavy petting that didn't lead to penetration (of any kind) would still be classified as harassment or assault, rather than rape.  You could still cop a feel on the drunk chick, but you can't fingerbang her.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude finds drinking alcohol during a conversation about alcohol and rape is appropriate.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'getting all tentalising their eh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans what about a girl grabbing my ass while i'm inebriated and telling me if it's tight to the touch then it'll be tight to hold onto while we're having sex?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'that would be harassment, or rape? since i can't consent during the alcohol?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'by getting drunk, you consented to being taken advantage of as a male (in that faux fantasy)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'VampirDude was that an ebonics hearsay version of the Old Testament that scripture came from -- seems unfamiliar'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'zade oh, well, the chicks name was dinah wasnt it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude is idly wondering about that chick majic mentioned before and if she's single now.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'trust me, she's not interested in you :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'one track mind eh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'besides neopets, is there a good place online to get a stalker?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'MUDs and MMOs'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans ok thanks'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ill check out a list of muds and mmos when i vote next time'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Genesis chapter 34 -- the tribe of Sichem were wickedly murdered by the sons of Jacob   --> (Not in their sleep) <---'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Zade oh? k. i heard it was while they were sleeping in bed after getting ill from cutting'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the tribe of Sichem got sicced on? :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the sons of Jacob were deceitful treacherous and abominable'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'zade, well, their dad did lie to his own father to get a blessing too'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the entire cast of the christianity story were gods of war.  The bible's practically a manual on how to fight them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans is that why so many violent warlords like custer and hitler and stalin liked the church at times?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US, UK, and Israel have also garnered great success by learning its lessons.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda is trolling again (?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i am not grasping the point your trying to make with that one?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'zade seems that way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm just saying that just because you read something doesn't mean you're taking away the right message from it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans so are you saying the right message of the bible is that war is good?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'considering that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all versions of the same religion, and that all three are bloody, violent religions...yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Hans so, then the bible isnt about god?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'only 1 of the 3 is violent at the moment there boss.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the message of the OT Bible is that the OT authors wrote fiction'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid uh, what about christians in russia , hungary, and spain, being uncivil to muslims and jews'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'probably a reaction to onslaught of the 3rd there vampire.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'who initiated?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '100:1 ration is pretty clear where the turmoil is being driven from.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid some potentially muslim guys who dont seem to be practicing and disliked russian rule'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'they've had a lot of ethnic conflicts :('
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'still do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is what happens when you try to secularize.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans stalin woulda just cleansed anybody that didnt toe the line i betchya'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid well, i dont think they mind secularization, i think they mind secularization where they're made into a minority'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'what do you think secularization is?  you remove the majority opinion in a PC way to promote the minority who yells and screams and causes problems.  You can't blame the majority for a backlash on that'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'that whole self determination and self rule thing... maybe franz boas was right'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's been known to put people to death because they put three sugar cubes in his tea instead of 2.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans well, 3 would be a bit too indulgent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, but with Stalin it was less about Him and more about Me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hmmn. hans, should i install zfs for my root fs? or is it debatable'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'uncivil and death are 2 different levels.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's debateable, but nt or xi would be a good choice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid nah, its more of a spectrum'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, its not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid sure it is. like say there's a rally of skinheads that happen to dislike muslims with traditional headgear'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'uncivil can also be stated as verbal disagreement. the other isnt'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'now you say skinheads, originally you said christians.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'first guy calls em a name involving the headgear, second guy insults their mom, third guy throws an empty bottle of gatorade at them and it hits one'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Men display large water wave boo boo connections.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and what does that have to do with religion? nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid so now you're retreating from your claim that it's not a spectrum'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'guess i win that point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i never said it was there boss.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'think you are having some reading comprehension issues'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fools who follow the fool"  (loosely paraphrased from Nawibo the legendary warrior in Imperial Nation)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, now you're making ad hominem attacks. you suck at debating'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'truth is truth, how you accept it is your own issue.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude thinks Acidblast is cooler than Acidangel.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'trying to tell me i made a wrong statement when i never made the statement to begin with is then what?  bout as crappy as your argument of christians persecuting muslims'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Acid I said they were being uncivil.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'you lacked the reading comprehension to know what uncivil meant, so you said persecuted'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and that compares to muslims killing christians how?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you lack the understanding that the 2 are not equal?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i can play that game too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's hard to LVL and follow this thread at the same time... My side goes to war = war is good... their side starts war with my side = war is bad.... that's the way it's always been... Oh... and the winner writes the hitory'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, do you agree that christians have at times been uncivil to muslims, a precedant exists?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you know that the cult of satan is getting facetime in the media?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i have already stated all of them have, but 2 of the 3 are not at this moment in time, its the 3rd.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, the media has already sold their souls, so dilligaf?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you can make any excuse you want, but we live in the hear and now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, what about the 5 minutes from now:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'or the 5 minutes ago?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'then we can discuss it in the future'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, ok :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but until that happens, don't make excuses from something that happened 100+ years ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'let's discuss it 5 minutes from now. the events of 10 minutes ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude will put you on the calendar.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your improving my point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'tell me the last main time the roles were reversed?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, no, you're spazzing out into la-la land'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'if you can't answer the question, then you have no solid argument'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and your trolling'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, i didnt make an argument, i asked you if a precedant existed'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and you started name calling. i called you on it. and you just did it again'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tell you what, come back when you're not a t0 level 1 alt and we 'll talk. '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you lost the argument when we start referring to levels as an indicator of discussion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grammar nazi next?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Acidangel likely requires further ESL lessons'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'my question was still never answered.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Acidangel was obscure - not date, no region, no background'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'zade, if you were reading, i think i was quite clear in what i asked.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'internet attention span, AA.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'its very apparent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel laughs out loud.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and there is a suspicion that Acidangel was confabulating the alleged scenario or fiction'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm just saying that you're gonna have to pull up a chair and wait a while if you want someone else to delve into history.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'calling somebody "boss" is an ad hominen (if they are not an actual boss)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the Muslim Brotherhood are about to have their arses handed to them'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't appear terribly supportive of your president over there: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/carolplattliebau/2013/07/03/coup-underway-in-egypt-n1633418'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're not too supportive of our president either, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of you are'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know if I've ever seen someone on this Mud come down in support of Obama... liberal issues, yes... but not obama'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you haven't been here that long then.  This mud use to swing from his nuts it was so pathetic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing you guys need to do is get the courts to define legally the term "national emergency"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama is a race trophy (or slur).'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know you've been in a state of national emergency since 1950?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'cool'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'that must save on income taxes'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he was elected president primarily because he was black and seen as championing black issues.  At the time, nobody thought he'd betray the cause.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless... there's too many folks getting free chickens now... well past the tipping point of recovery.  '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, would you rather a short asian girl with green eyes be president?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that's not true hans.  i knew the man was full of shit way back when him and hilary was still in the primary'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'can we debate anything?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'we can debate the value of zfs as a security measure'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, miyax, what do you want to debate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, anything is too ambiguous to debate.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'peg the dollar back to gold'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have to say that I am solidly AGAINST "anything"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you couldn't do that right now, angel'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would collapse the value of the dollar'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'angle - that would be like decapitation as a form of removing a brain tumor'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it would be exciting, though!'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you guys are crazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'von that sounds effective, like circumcision to prevent promiscuity in women'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'what you think has been going on the past 6 years? deleveraging like hell because there is no stable currency'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'atleast peg it to silver than.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've got quite a few dried beans in the basement... I'd give a 'crashed economy' a go.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'or to the wheat ear'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, but if you peg it to anything physical you are dependent on your current stock of that thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's peg it to MEXICANS!  no... wait... that's racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'peg it to pirate legs?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oooh Pirate Leges!'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that creates stabalization and can quanitify numbers.  you can't quantify when your dollar is being delevereaged every moment from the printing press.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'whew... can I get a vowel?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid it doesnt matter how much we print, it matters how much we release. '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'von itll cost you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'The money goes in the market, it is hitting books.  You might not see it directly but its there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'VP... wern't you just berating AA for bad debate skills?  I too "print" to infer release given the context'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the first thing you need to do is reign in the banks, and by that, you need to make sure that the only person who can create money is the government'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'von , no, i was berating aa for using ad hominems'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you must get control of your debts and return to balance'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bad VP... BAAAAD!'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Banks don't create money.. the fed does.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only then can you possibly peg it to a commodity'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts, that worked badly for antonescu in romania'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, acidangel, banks create money, every time they make a loan, they create money'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'negative. that money is money borrowed from the fed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fed is owned by the banks'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, it is not'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, the fed is its own private bank '
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is leveraged from deposits'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fed is not it's own private bank, it has shareholders that are the big banks'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so if everyone withdrew their money at once, would the loans have to be called?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, vd'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'wrong man. you got this so off the mark its not even close.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.usagold.com/publications/federalreserve.pdf'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'You reading is the correct interpretation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when a bank lends you $100,000, they only require $3000-$10000 in actual capital, the rest of the money is created instantly out of thin air'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger so then, why can't I borrow 100,000 with 3000 on deposit?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not a bank'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'can i start a bank?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'But the money is through the fed, not the bank.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Fed = Mom, C,Bac,jpm and the rest are children mom sends to the store for x,y,z'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'big banks don't controll the fed nor do they set prime or monetary policy.  they are part of the board or collective pull to gather intel on what policies are currently doing and how it is affecting, but they themselves do not control it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who runs the fed?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'are you looking for a single person directly, because i can give you a name but we both know they don't truely make 100% of the decisions.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fed does control the money supply, you are entirely right in that regard, but the amount that they loan out is dependant on the balance sheet of the bank. The economic crisis came about partly because of banks using complicated financial vehicles to vastly inflate their paper value'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the crash came because there was no liquitidy in the market, people were simply over-leveraged.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, then let me put it this way. If you look at the people who 'run' the fed, you will find that they with out exception will be people who have been, or go on to be, involved with the running of the other big investment banks who make up the fed's shareholders'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over-leveraging is the consequence, yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'we agree overall except on the point of whom.. you believe the big banks, i believe it is Congress/Pres/Fed chair, and the other CB's around the world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the big banks are just a good whipping boy and poster child to blame but they do not have direct ability to make or change anything.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so to blame them would be blaming the messanger, not the creator of the message.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are the tail that wags the dog, take RBS that nearly took down the entire banking sector 4 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'they were over leveraged, that is not BAC or JPMs fault'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the fed should of said something, as all financial transactions go through them'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jp morgan being overleveraged isn't jp morgan's fault? ok'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'jp being over leveraged is jpm fault. yes.   but RBC being over leveraged is not jpm fault'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not directly, no'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is how your stating it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'if JPM runs the fed, then they are at fault.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is why i am saying, the big banks have no control there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a practice common to an entire industry causes massive schism in that industry, then that whole industry is collectively to blame for it's practices'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'greed'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have common practice without having a practice in common'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we're all greedy... even banks'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'I would agree IF those same industries wrote the rules, but they didn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i'm not greedy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'bloodthirsty maybe. but not greedy'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude peers intently at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Who wrote the rules those banks followed?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the point, the BAILOUT was the problem. by doing a bailout you told those banks that there was no penalty for failure'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in 2008, banks that were insolvent should have been wound up by the government, whom should have been the creditor in order to protect depositors. Shareholders should have lost out'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not tax payers'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'I never said i agreed with the bailout, that is not what we are discussing here.  For that matter, i was very against the bailout, i ws part of your origainl 'tea baggers''
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger since the government prints the money and controls the fractional reserve anyways, what would be the point in their taking over a bank'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '"let them eat cake!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't be taking over a bank'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they would be administering it's winding up'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '2008 we started the printing press, since then we have been propping it all up and that is why we are stuck in the mud.  The bank should have failed, let shit hit the fan and things would of made a V shape recovery.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, AA, and those investors would invest more wisely next time'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Exactly.  But to blame the banks is not right. Blame congress for writing rules that allowed banks to do what they did.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i blame both parties'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"invest more wisely" using what defective information'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'That's okay. There should of been some due diligence on both fronts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it takes two to tango, the banks shouldn't have got themselves into that mess was their fault, not regulating them from guvmint's fault'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but you have to think about things like red-lining and what not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ending of glass-stegall was a baddddd idea'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the removal of the up-tick rule was a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should do away with all these crazy etf's and repackagings'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'sarbanes oxley too?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '2008 - 2010 only american banks could be shorted, they ceased shorting on all EU banks, that is why ours got slapped around so damn hard.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'getting the finance sector to be honest as to the value of assets is the first step'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but you can't do that unless you peg the dollar.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, greater fool theory?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why can't you do that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'we are deleveraging the dollar by $85B/mnth currently at a minimum.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'can't give correct asset values until that ceases.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid a de-leveraged dollar sounds nice, but if we keep it leveraged , it will cripple foreign markets, which could be good?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i agree, nobody should be printing money'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'hell, JCB last month came out with the biggest deleverage ever. I want to say its close to 4T'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'vamp, not trying to sound assholish, but if the world hates america as the policeman, why should i care about that same countries economy?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a ton of stuff you probably need to do, much that isn't finance related, before you can be prepared to peg the dollar'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid, learn about imperialism. a weak economy is good for those trying to extricate'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i know gov't structures and types of governance very well.  tell me whom is currently being helped?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'acid i didnt say helped, i said extricate'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'as in ,take their goods, resources, wealth, away'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans was right about you needing some esl bro'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that wasn't me that said that'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh. my bad'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'maybe it was zade :('
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'who takes whose goods away?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'but anyhow, i agree with the esl solution'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vampiredude also requires esl lessons'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you pulled out of your foreign blow-brown-people-up-to-ferment-terrorism plan, you could quite easily balance the budget'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Zade maybe actually i've already got my tesol seminars, what i need are the hours assisting a pro'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Your not going to balance the budget until you get lazy people off their ass.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'There are far more takers than givers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"extricate" is usually a "transitive" verb -- hence the esl suggestion'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Zade can you explain for me, a non-relative subjunctive clause?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even without the lazy people on the arse, wars cost a lot of money'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop importing shit and build it locally'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Tigernuts wars also cost lives.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'but thankfully we have a surplus of lives, and tax dollars'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel raises an eyebrow at 2/3 Flying VampireDude's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'imagine if china went to war, suddenly the M/F ratio would be better'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'surplus? what nation are you referring too with that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Acidangel america'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'LMAO, surplus of what? stupid?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Acid we have a surplus of enlisted personnel, our government can't downsize the military fast enough'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'We have a surplus of beurocrats, I would rather you start the cutting there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately you might need to put the unwashed masses and the excess military to work on capital projects'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while you're setting up your trade barriers and bringing the jobs home'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Won't happen, it is all part of m.a.e.d'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger nah, capital projects dont help anyone. the only good projects are ones that make new millionaires who can go hide away insecluded gated communities or on private islands'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'think we went of this last week.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the project, vd, if it's shit that everyone needs, like fixing the roads, upgrading the rail, building new power systems'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all stuff you can privatise later if needed'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'All of that got done already remember, that was all of that 800B stimulus.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you haven't built shit, the stimulus went to the coffers of banks and the rich elite'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'So how long you think until we hear we need another roads/bridges bill?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'lmao.. fucking idiots that keep voting these people in.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's something wrong with your bridges, they keep falling down'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'VampireDude, you seem to fail in the use of "extricate" as a transitive verb, as in "extricate what" (and maybe where, *to*, *from*) -- (also USAmericans are too uneducated to comprehend subjunctives)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone heard of Michael Badnarik?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'heard of Boris Badinov'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i like arthur laffer better'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MB has done a very intersting class on the US constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Moose and Squirrel are more fun where laughter is concerned'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i prefer cpt peachfuz'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAu2-ycDOaN31dR1n5E6f6zS7cyM6rpil'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'some of these are hilarious..   http://townhall.com/tipsheet/carolplattliebau/2013/07/03/coup-underway-in-egypt-n1633418'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'posted that earlier, angel :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find it amusing because the egyptians are on the sharp edge, THEY know that USA is supporting jihadi's'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll rephrase that, they know that the US administration is supporting jihadi's in YOUR NAME'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'jihadi's (something, not mentioned and thus not understood)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't understand jihadi, zade?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the illiteracy in this channel is appalling'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this context it means a person of the Islamic faith willing to fight the infidel wherever they are for the purposes of setting up a global Islamic caliphate under Sharia'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a difference between a plural and a possessive'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the case of Egypt, the muslim brotherhood want an Islamic state under Sharia law. The same is true of the Syrian rebels'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'why is there an apostrophe?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost snickers with Zade about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apostrophe is there to imitate Chemosh'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the only thing you have to argue about is bad grammar, i guess i must be pretty accurate'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can allow me the bad grammar, i'll allow you the bad spelling'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'illiteracy is usually not accurate'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only digital accuracy counts, not analog, since that is inferior'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God prefers analog'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'No, he prefers analogue'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Analog is a full-bodied sound'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i wonder how you can be a national of the USA without being a citizen'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://bensguide.gpo.gov/3-5/citizenship/index.html'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is a seriously fucked up page'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the US doesn't give citizenship to people born in some territories'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't want citizenship'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want to be a sovereign'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'like when we owned philippines, people born there were nationals but not citizens'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'citizens don't have rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you are a citizen, you are a subject of congress, as opposed to congress being subject to you'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you actually want to be is a citizen of a state'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nationals can't vote, so have nothing even remotely over congress'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a citizen of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'can you be a citizen of a state? i thought there was just "citizenship" for whole country?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are first and foremost a citizen of a state in the USA, they tack on the citizenship of the USA seperately'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they mean different things'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'currently it's just people born in american samoa and swains island that are nationals'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guam, PR and USVI all grant citizenship'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'My Mom  was born on a military German base. So she is a US Citizen even though she talks like a parrot. This was before she met my New York Dad.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is she stateless?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): DeathSyte shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well my Dad is new york, I don't kknow if she met him before German base or not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'ahem birth I mean lol smh'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting, so the bill of rights cannot be repealed?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'depends on who you ask, and on what day'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure it can'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the bill of rights isn't government spelling out priveledges, it's the people dictating to government what it's rights are'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the constitution (and by extension, it's amendments) are rather 'fluid' ATM'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's just another part of the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution isn't fluid, though it is ammendable'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you say "amendable"... I say "fluid"'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fluid suggests that it's meaning changes, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell that to the supreme court'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's room for alot of opinion there'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have all the opinion they like, it doesn't change peoples' alenable rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'truely, ANY document can be bent to one's will and agenda... the constitution, the Bible, hell... even the instructions on a child car seat can be bent'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's not to say it SHOULD be fluid... I'm just saying that the current administration is running very free and loose with ther interprutation of the Constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's up to you to hold their feet to the fire'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's up to me - and one VERY small and minority voice - to hold their feet to the fire... pretty hard when over half the nation is drunk on free chicken'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'difficult but not impossible'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'eat mor chikin'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if half the nation is drunk on free chicken, half the nation isn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the revolution was executed by less than 5% of the population'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with the state-nature, you only need enact change in your state'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when it comes to 'fireing the musket', I reckon I'll grab mine'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arindel: 'grab it while u can, it will be gone soon too along with the rest of our rihgts'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'draw your line'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but if I grab it now, I'll be mowed down by HLS before I can blink'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's all about timing... we're just not READY to grab the muskets yet'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is no critical mass of musket-grabbers ready'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't afford to sit around waiting for the need to arise'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... but you can wait for the right moment'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's not now'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of an actual fight, yes, but in the meantime you need to be applying pressure to the people in charge'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like in Turkey and in Egypt'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in Spain'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not neccessarily... oh sure, a little pressure is always neccessary... but a good solid shove, like a revolution, requires timing as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Portgual and Greece'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the pressure before acts like advertising and a rally cry'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there will need to be a polarizing moment - real or manufactured - that kicks off REAL change (or return to previous conditions)'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why this continued inflation of the finance bubble is going on. Until t hings get genuinely bad, the masses won't kick off'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you see, in the US today, there are too many people that are willing to standby... they have no motivation to step out swinging... they are content to stand a safe distance away and take pictures with their smart phones while a flellow gets his head chopped off in the street.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '10th ammendment precludes the "fluid document" theory'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eventually it'll happen to them, vl'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'First they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I  didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but they sure as hell would have come for "I" earlier, if "I" had stepped up earlier.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that clucking i hear?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know what you mean.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He's saying don't be such a puss :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Oh... Ok... let me go get my gun, then... anyone know when obama gets back from mandela-land?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd be careful, I'm pretty sure the NSA listens to the debate channel'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well I don't wanna be a 'wuss'.  I guess I need to shoot someone'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we all need hobbies'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'haha... speaking of which... I have a pack of bin ladin targets from back when he was still breathing... the last target in the pack was an obama target...  packaging error?'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I ment to call the company, but I never got around to it'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'morsi has been toppled in a coup'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not sure anything will change, but we'll see'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're repealing the sharia stuff and looking for new elections'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'cool. elections.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'go democracy. go stability. go military.'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm just saying, everyone was optomistic during the first revolution, and it lead them down this path, I'm not sure that a second one will be any better'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but maybe it will, it'd be awesome if it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the opposition simply weren't ready last time'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different set of problems this time'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, we'll see.  I mean , I hope it turns out better, but I'm not sure that many military coupes do'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'err, coups, but you know what i mean :D'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'means to an end'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we'll see, I'm not sure that the Muslim Brotherhood and all there supporters will simply go away'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, that was the 'different set of problems' i mentioned'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'title of nobility ammendment (13th ammendment) needs ratifying'
T3/r7/2013-07-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '16th ammendment was never properly ratified'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they tried, Menda. They couldn't stay awake so they quit :>'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'THW ban all city-bound cars with single passengers during peak hours'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'depending on where you live this may or may not be a concern'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought the Military Coup two years ago in Egypt went pretty well....  The military siezed power - had elections - and gave up power to the winner, even though the military didn't like him... the fact that that elected leader turned out so crappy is ancilliary to the coup itself.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have a new t-shirt logo:  "All play and no work makes Jack ENTITLED"'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/july_2013/more_americans_view_blacks_as_racist_than_whites_hispanics  , i really do not find this surprising...'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the movie "Independence Day" graphically suggests the destruction of the Capitol building by an alien attack -- some say currently there is an alien in the whitehouse -- prophecy or simply a mere coincidence'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Miyax: 'alians , no! Unicorns doing rituals in forests , yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Craig Ferguson voice: "did you see what i did there, with the 'simply a mere coincidence'" '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'explains joke "simply a mere coincidence" infers that Barack Obama is an alien (a Kenyan) '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Obama's birth cerificate was fake'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'IT WAS FAKE!'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'IT WAS FAKE!'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'IT WAS FAKE!'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'knock off the fucking spamming'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the current glitches in cars (abnormal acceleration, lagged gear changes) are likely the result of laws and agreements prohibiting "reverse engineering" of software and computer chips'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's pretty random... do I understand that you are advocating that one company be allowed to 'borrow' another companies code?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the requirement for vehicle safety trumps the prohibition against reverse engineering in the search for locating defective code and defective chips'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahhh... a valid point... perhaps that is something for the NTSB to work on - as a disinterested thrid party.  Otherwise, it's sort of like breaking into your neighbors house and drinking all his beer - siting that you might have dies of thirst if you hadn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the right to reverse engineering a (defective) component does not necessarily translate to the right to violate intellectual propery or copyright'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you KNOW if BMW dug into Toyta's chips, they'd rape the code.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and vise versa'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I don't suppose you can trust the original owner/designer to objectivley evaluate the errors.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sounds like a perfect job for big government'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pass laws that require manufacturers to publish the code in open source when any of their EULAs prohibit reverse engineering of the software'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'naw.. we have enough laws already.  '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we have TOO MANY laws, infact'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at least in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when a reader obtains book from an author, there is no EULA prohibiting reverse engineering of the words in the book, because the book is the open source'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless the book is digital - then you can't just pass it around willy-nilly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and even with a paper book, you can't re-publish it as your own work.  '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pass laws that invalidate any EULAs that prohibit reverse engineering'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... if someone designs something, his creation should be protect from reverse-engineering unless he CHOSES to make it open source'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, anything you publish may be reverse engineered -- if you want IP (Intellectual-Property) protection, use copyright'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am also considering that the majority of applictions for such 'reverse engineering' would be for frivilous law suits... dude is hanking down the road at 120MPH drunk off his arse... he smashed into a bus foll of children coming out of disney land, and someone want's to blame it on the chip that controled the dudes brakes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you put anything out there, open game to be analysed'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there were a lot of typos in that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I sure wish I could get after the chip in this keyboard... that's the likely problem.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"res ipsa loquitur" (the thing speaks for itself)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cause of "abnormal sudden acceleration" and the "coasting lag in gear changes" is likely software and electronic glitches (perhaps deliberately put there by terrorist programmers)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... now you've effectively changed the conditions... bravo.  But again, that's be something for the NSA, FBI, or NTSB to look into.  Not Bubba down at the corner auto garage'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'let's hope that car manufacurers are as good at protecting the system integrity as some phone developing companies are.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'manufacturers*'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we took your meaning'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the company producing the defective electronics is unlikely to admit to the defects, and the users of those chips (car manufacturers) if they bought/produced too many of those chips are in a delimma -- take a a big financial hit, or let a few of the end users get mangled in car crashes'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'If there are defects it's likely to be discovered by others than the evil terorrist hackers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you KNOW it was a the chip that caused the problem... why do you have to reverse-engineer it?  just sue the chip supplier'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'ok, I'll refrain from correcting myself there. It's pointless.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't get it'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'ok, terrorists*'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri :-P
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'car industry is deliberately using using substandard components in automobilers likely because an excessive amount of those components were produced, and because the cost savings in using those components are likely greater than the perceived financial damages awarded in successful lawsuits by customers'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'now there's an extra s instead *facepalm*'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zade, they are actually safety standards regulating what components to use in critical systems, such as those that control your break-by-wire'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'brake* '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'braick'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, I'm having problems spelling tonight :-P'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'let's call it bad luck for now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'for a chip to be known as defective (either hardware or software), the chip must be reverse-engineered and analysed - and the laws/agreements prohibiting reverse-engineering are protecting the defective components from scrutiny'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'But we are talking about two different things here'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a malicious programmer put in code that cause sudden acceleration when a random counter reached a specific value once every trillion samples, that code is unlikely to be discovered without reverse engineering'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'When you mentioned terrorist hackers I assumed you meant those that would infect your car with malicious software that will end up killing you in the next curve.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the chip when tested withouty reverse-engineering is likely to pass, as one in a trillion is so rare -- but with lots of cars driving lots of hours, not so rare'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that code is highly likely to be discovered in code reviews during safety certification of your system'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think, when zade brought up terrorists, he was trying to change the dynamic of the debate to make the notion a bit more favorable'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let me get this straight. You are saying that if I take a dump of the code I won't detect the "terrorist" attack.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you must not be a programmer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'fork bomb?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anar - you likely would... Zades position is that 'taking that dump' is against the law.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a disgruntled or sexthrill-seeking programmer is acting like a terrorist when deliberately adding in malicious code (even if not affiliated with a terrrorist organisation)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can't take a dump of the code in a car that I own?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no such thing as undetectable code.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'If you could I guess it would be legal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there are however mechanisms that can make it impossible to dump out the code though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'id there is a Eula prohibiting reverse-engineering of the code-dump ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'zades keeps brining up "reverse engineering"... I don't think that's neccessary to reveal an error, hardware or otherwise, in a chip'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are ways to disable a software dump, but there is no way to disable the reading of the data electronically. That is how disk recovery works.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not all data is stored on "disks" though'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'software customers may look at the software code in their machines -- looks like lots and lots of gibberish - and they are unlikely to even bother reverse-engineering the code into source -- but the EULA is yet there'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nobody cares:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the car cradh victims may care '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the car crash victims may care, when the defective electronics causes an accident'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the new car-buyers may care, when every car offered on the market seems more and more likely to be electronics defective'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'poor suckers'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there will always be defective electronics no matter how hard we work on getting rid of it. The human is more likely to be the biggest source for errors behind the wheel though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'however the kind of terrorist-induced malicious code is not going to end up in your car and at the same time be protected by some law from being discovered. That sounds very unlikely.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am curious to know who these "terrorists" are :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the terrorist you speak of might or might not exploit weaknesses in the system security to infect cars that will possibly kill ppl. The car manufacturers might even get sued for their poor security.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or their lousy programming.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I have no clue who they are. Zade might know.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the malicious code is discovered through an illegal reverse-engineering, there may be a dilemma as to how to reveal that a defect was discovered'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no such thing as illegal reverse-engineering. I can't help if I can read stored data and see the code it represents.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless you make it illegal to be able to read machine code.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'lets do that, kirchner would love it'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'black boxes all the way'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a proper black box is too heavy to use in cars.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't need a black box, just write a dump print routine.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe the msanufacturers already know the electronics is defective, but so many chips were produced, they prefer to reain silent and let some customers suffer the consequences (of their reluctance to suffer a huge financial loss by replacing those chips with nondefective versions, and not using the defective stockpiles)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mclaren f1 still rocks thanks to the updated security standards. nothing more there..'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'quite possible, Zade. Manufacturers are known for factoring in lawsuit costs vs re-engineering costs.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos, every Eula agreement these days seems to use the (paraphrased) words "no reverse-engineering"'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'dumping the code and looking at the print out does not constitute reverse-engineering.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'it is possible to make all cars completely safe. but then they would most likely look like fat sausages. filled with foam just in case. who wants that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sounds cool, I'd like one if it's fast.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'producing defective cars (that seem to self-destruct/rust in ten years) is deliberate so as to maintain the demand for new cars'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sure, it's all covered in the lightbulb conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and hey. the rally cars 4-point safety belts are just awesome. but these are too uncomfortable for mundane driving'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and it's expensive to have a roll cage in every car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if cars lasted thirty years before breaking don and becoming unreparable, many 'd keep their cars for at least twenty years'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'a car is like anything else if properly maintained it will last much longer than if the owner doesn't care'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot maintain modern cars'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern cars have in-built obsolesance'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'my 06 gto runs like the day I bought it and I've ran that car hard on long trips'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'gto, lame :) buy my nova'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '06 isn't exactly old'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that the brake lines are deliberately manufactured to rust'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I haave a car from 2010, and I think that one is getting old. *mutter*'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cars will last 15yrs if maintained right'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I have 0 cars :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'beyond that you will not get the parts, and will no longer get the support from main dealers when it comes to software'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you can probably buy parts from junk dealers though'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, my car is from 1979'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, you end up having to shop at a pick-n-pull'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i have a Berlingo. its embarrassing but cheap to repair:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'in Cuba they have probably perfected keeping old cars running. Though I bet there are no original parts left in them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the big danger these days is merely not how long a maintained car lasts, but whether the car starts to be the "car from hell" from the get go upon being driven off the new car lot'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and thats why most states have a lemon law'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'junk parts from junk dealers will not work'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(not on new cars)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zade, that will most certainly happen. It will most likely happen because of a bug and not because of a terror-hacker placing a random error induction in the code.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'placing*'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cuba got it right, old cars you can maintain, make parts for if necessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nah, '70-'90 every last man in cccr knew how to clean the carburator and what not in ziguli or zaporozets:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my next car will be something pre-computerisation'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at least, i'll get one pre-computerisation alongside a standard one'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the 2013 Lemon-Aid reads like a horror novel compared to editions of ten years ago - the vehicle manufacturers are more nonfeeling, more arrogant, and more callous'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, when a main dealer quoted me $2200 to replace an alternator and vacuum pump, you know the writing is on the wall'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger maybe they just wanted you to buy a new car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can fuck off'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'here an alternator runs between 14 and 169 ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the end i got it done for $800'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'you can also take it off, and take it to a rebuild place.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, a local shop sold me a lifetime warranteed brake, and shortly after i got it, it had problems, took it back for the warranty, they wanted to sell me a whole new rear end'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money saved by sending it to a place that refurbishes them would be spent renting a car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so i took it to another shop, and got 2 year warrantee brakes put on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'replacing an alternator is cheap on an old truck -- half-hour to an hour job plus parts'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, zade, this was a fucking ridiculous alternator with a vacuum pump attached'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'the other shop also did a good job putting on a new muffler and a new bracket for the exhaust'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'but they didnt feel i needed a 'whole new rear end''
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so its like, srsly. do i look like i just fell off a turnip truck? someone tells me to spend triple what my car is worth, when it still runs fine, i'm totally gettin a second opinion bro'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'places get away with it here, partly because of a dumb public, partly because of protectionist practices'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'incidentally, brakes are pretty cheap. so the whole lifetime warranty thing isnt usually worth it. sucky midas'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'warranties on brakes seem somewhat pointless'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts, here's a fun one for you. i went to autozone and got a new license plate bulb.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'the lady there was so pushy when i didnt want to buy bulb grease'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'same thing happens with labor charges a tranny shop tried to charge me 3 times for removing the tranny to replace a seal and a gear. they were hoping i didn't know better or wouldn't read the invoice'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so after 6 minutes waiting for a manager, i explained the situation to the manager, and he tried to tell me that she wasnt trying to be pushy'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't replace trannies here, we point and laugh'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so i explained to them that she was failing at whatever else she was trying, because she succeeded in being pushy'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would have just walked out'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'you didn't buy bulb grease? Man.. that stuffs important.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and after 12 minutes, i finally got my license plate bulb, and my receipt. no bulb grease'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, nah, it was that time of the month, bad bulb around the 30th/31st/1st/2nd is quota time for tickets'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'randal ah the tranny shop guy here was pretty good. they charged me 743 and change for a transmission seal, fluid, and a new force plate along with removal/insertion and check odometer cable'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and it really was bleeding fluid bad when i first bought it'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'manual transmissions go wrong less'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'yeah, but its not worth the price of converting'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'replace a clutch plate once halfways through the lifetime of the car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'if i had a v8 or a forklift motor dropped in, then maybe'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts the car was from 1979. how far til i hit the halfway of its life?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're already past it'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ok good ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when buying a car, ask how much the shop charges to replace the spark plugs (when not covered by warranty) - if they say $1000, look at anothr car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'zade uh. i can do the plugs myself. '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't got spark plugs'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, diesel?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Ah. Diesel then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'you run a deisel?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Glowplugs, then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'same difference, really as far as service goes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'glowplugs freak me out kinda'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'mnmm warm glow plugs'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone with any sense does over here'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i kinda think it'd be cool to have a bio-diesel car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'too many times had a truck come back to life as i'm halfway in the house'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'US laws make that impractical.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'right now i only get like 20.6 miles per gallon in town with my 1979 steel bodied car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some modern cars require the upper body to be removed merely to get at the spark plugs - that is where the expense is'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Rand... thats unlikely to be glow plugs. Probably carbon deposits inside the engine.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'zade nah, i just open the hood.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'it only ever happened after long trips coming home from a job out of state'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'unspent fuel when you turned the engine off?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'always just assumed it was the plugs getting to hot'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'bad out of state fuel?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'never ever buy gas in arkansas. their gas sucks'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Unlikely to be plugs though.. when you turn off the ignition they should turn off as well. carbon deposits inside the engine retain heat, and accidentally serve the same functions as glowplugs though'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'daloran couldnt he go a stage cooler on his plugs?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'i don't think it's likely to make a difference on that issue, vamp. Though most of my diesel experience is all theoretical, so, not 100% sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wait ... most is all theoretical?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my only issue with modern diesels is the setup of the engine management system'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'extremely narrow band of power'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and also weird oil port drainage?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i change the oil myself, no issues there'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Yes, it was unnessecary words, i know Maj.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude leaves to watch fireworkses.
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have fireworks, they've been cancelled due to cuts (while Obama is on a foreign jolly costing $20m,) or they've been tugged because of al-quaida hiding down your 5yr old disabled childs' pants'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sucks to be you'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'tell that to the assholes who were setting them off outside my window at 3am'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damned terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best call the feds and get them to declare martial law outside your window'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i was more pissed off at house price inflation and potential interest rate hikes coming down the pike'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for "more pissed off", read "angry on the verge of revulsion"'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fireworks are nice... but if there's no money, I can think of sillier things to cut'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did y'all see the video of a guy filming police from a distance, get's accosted and arrested by the cops who then proceed to shoot his dog dead with submachine gun?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arrested for being black without due care and attention'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA! USA!'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you mean a pistol?  I saw the one with the pistol'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a smg'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mp4'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dude should have rolled up his window on his car'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he should, he should also have been asked to, doesn't justify the police action'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither the arrest nor the shooting'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cops were being reasonable... then they were being attacked by a dog... then the dog was dead.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bull-shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'would you rather the cops had been malled by the dog?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you wish a strawman argument, sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then you have a personal issue... I will always put human safety above dog safety'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's look at the other options: don't arrest a guy for filming when it's not against the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2. talk to the guy rationally rather than arresting him, and get him to roll up his window'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you didn't get the whole story'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3. use a fucking taser if needbe, not a live automatic weapon'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if someone (not a criminal) gets mauled by a police dog and shoots it, they're charged with murder of a police office'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they guy was not asked to stop filming.. he was asked SEVERAL times to stay clear of the other side of the street... he kept going back to the other side of the street'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the police detained him to keep him off the other side of the street'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is not evident from the full recording of the full encounter'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and does not match the video'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which again, suggests bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'wait, Tigernuts misrepresented the story?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll see if I can find the 'other' story... at first, all I say was the video with the liberal opinion... then I found the rest of it somewhere... hang on'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as with most stories, there are at least 3 sides -- his side, the police side, and the truth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whichever story you're looking at doesn't justify their activity'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the police have been militarised and have been trained to shoot first ask questions later'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the woman charged with assault of a police officer for kissing one on the nose'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's from the los angelese times:  "...Officers handcuffed bystander Leon Rosby, 52, after he walked close to the scene with an 80-pound Rottweiler on a long leash-line," creating an increasingly dangerous situation, the Hawthorne Police Department said in statement."'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can see if on the video, he was barely in earshot'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the dog was within 6 feet of him'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and in the video... Roseby CLEARLIY went close to the scene at least once.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'why would anyone need 281? 291 is like a week away'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Feds try to frame Luke Rudkowski for child porn charges'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to answer your question :) Some people switch weapons every 10 levels, not 20 :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bottom line... in the USA, a rott is considered a dangerous animal...'''
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police are a far more dangerous animal than rotties ever could be'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... we've moved on'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... now I have to engage.... Human!.... Animal.... human.. animal... human animal...... I have to side with with the human that didn't want to get killed by a dog'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd have shot the dog dead, too... '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dog was only protecting his master'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yep... to thet death... good dog'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cops are out there trying to control an active crime scene, and bozo is being an ass with his camera phone and rott.... who's REALLY to blame here?  I say the owner.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was no where near the scene'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'video CLEARLY showes him crossing the street'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the scene was that important, cordone the fucking scene off'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're trying to justify incompetent police'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1st thing cops do over here is cordon the scene off'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police 101'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'first thing they do here is go after the target.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they left two cops to seciure the perimeter... and bozo didn't litsten.... and his dog got dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope they get sued'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bozo's dog is dead because boso couldn't keep his butt on the right side of the street'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bozo's dog is dead because it was more important to bozo to get some cool youtube video'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bozo's dog is dead because bozo didn't roll up his window'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are implying facts that are not supported by the evidence'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'supported by the video'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the video clearly shows him crossing the street.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where is the police tape he ducked under?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the video clearly shows him putting the dog in a car with the widows down'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at that stage... when the police say "don't go across the street"... you don't go across the street'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the police are out of earshot, how can you infer that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but bozo just had to push the limit... and now bozo's dog is dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the video shows the cops yelling something uninteligble, but making waving motions to their side of the street... safe to say that they cops wern't yelling "hey buddy!  just go ahead and run on up to that house that we just sent a swat team into"'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're still inferring facts that are not supported by the evidence. They could equally have just been shouting "stop filming" or "stay back"'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or "get down", or anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole fiasco was handled badly, it was entirely unnecessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless... once the dog attacked the cops... the dog was dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he should get compensation for his dog, and the cops retrained'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he should be banned from owning another dog'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops should be banned from holding a gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they are in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually that's not true'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'instead, they just film everything you do'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly in my police area there is always an armed swat team on call'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'patrolling'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the UK is a 'surveillance state''
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all beat cops have tasers (provided they've had the training)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, but at least they don't beat up black guys in wheelchairs, or arrest black guys for filming then shoot their dog dead, or go toa  domestic violence incident and get the wrong address, shooting a random person's dog'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or shoot a guy holding a garden hose trigger'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or shoot so badly in such numbers at one guy outside the empire state building that NINE members of the public are injured'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... in the UK, the citizens stand around with their phone cameras while their servicemen get their heads chopped off'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was mown down by the car, as it goes'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and I guess his head just fell off, then'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they beheaded him after'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it was america, the cops would have shot the beheaded guy for not putting his arms up'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's clear we won't agree on this, so the best compromise i can think of is that there was wrong commmitted on both sides, but only one side actually shot something dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think of the egypt coup?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the 2012 Ford Focus - not an automatic transmission but a "computer-controlled manual transmission" that provides a jerky lack of acceleration and uneven performance until the computer learns how the driver drives. With three different drivers, the result is an accident prone jerky performance as the ineptly programmed computer never learns.  And a driver with two or three driving styles, same disaster'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'ohhh a car debate :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I like computer controlled manual transmissions, it's a really nice thing, much better than an automatic, but I agree with you that the computer must have a minimum of intelligence :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'some of the cars with learning settings like that actually learn per-key. so different keys == different programming.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'also some cars allow you to choose manually the "speed" of the shift, so you can usually choose smooth, fast, or really harsh'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'for example the BMWs with normal, sport, and M mode'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'also... if its computer controlled.. i'd argue that it isn't a manual, but rather an automatic transmission =p'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'completely computer controlled i mean.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're getting rid of manuals pretty soon, sales of such cars dropped by 50% to just 3.8% of the market last year.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No, they won't be getting rid of them Hans.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I have no problems of getting rid of manuals, as long as they switch them to computer controlled manuals :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean those autosticks?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'no I mean that both the main and the slave clutch cylinder are computer controlled, same for the manual shifting linkage'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what makes you think they won't get rid of them, Dal?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'that means the speed of a manual transmission, without the need of a clutch and a stick'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Because they won't. People still buy them. Some people demand them. Others require them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'there is some that outright refuse to buy cars that are not manuals.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and as I said, there were 50% fewer buyers of manual transmission cars (a segment that already was less than  of the market anyways).'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'And?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's trending downward, and at some point automakers will figure it's just not worth it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'won't happen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I only have a manual transmission in my sports car because in the affordable sports car segment, all automatic transmission sucks, and there's no DSG or computer controlled manuals'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'once I can have something better than the stick, I'll never have a stick again'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'manual transmissions are for younguns, not for olduns'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Theres a lot of cars that aren't even available with an automatic, presently'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Also most people who do distance hauling have manuals.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'huge trucks are different to cars'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'well it's no longer necessary to have manuals in distance hauling with automatics that you can downshift on demand, it was necessary before, I agree'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'It's still neccesary.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'how it is necessary ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the trouble with manual transmissions is that the clutch pads wear out every few years from lots of nifty driving'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You try hauling a trailer with an automatic, kon =p'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'not myself, but most trucks around here are auto, I know several companies that won't even buy manuals anymore, too much trouble, new drivers couldn't be bored to learn proper double shifting techniques'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'now they also have a big shortage of drivers, so they put auto trans, and women at the wheels'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Anddddd  you just became unworthy of my time with the sexism. Thanks for playing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'driving a manual transmission requires intelligence and persistence to do the tedious shifting regimen required'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'sexism ? it's a fact, also women usually have less accidents, and are more dependable than men'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Daloran is a bad debater'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'do you know many 100 lbs women that can properly double shift a big rig ? it needs some base strength'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'strength, intelligence, and an dedicated (anal retentive?) persistence to shifting properly'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'yeah and even most new drivers aren't dedicated, male or not... just put a big auto trans oil cooler and be done with it, no maintenance, no hassle'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'on the other hand, I want the computer controlled 50 ms manual transmission from Lamborghini'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no power-assisted synchromesh manual transmission gears with heavy rigs ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Lamborghinis are terrible for hauling stuff with'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I agree with you Hanslanda, but that would be for my sports car ;)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'Zade I don't know... never heard of one... I guess it could be possible and Daloran could be happy :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i prefer cheap and reliable, and simple to repair '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and rustproof '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'what's rustproof in trans ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'with pre-reverse-engineered chips'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the multiple difficulties in modern cars seems to be a result of  extremely bad programming and electronics, the deliberate use of cheaper substandard parts -- but since cars are required, the consumer is held hostage, especially when all the car manufacturers draw from the same stockpiles of crappy material, crappy patented electonics, crappy copyrighted software (unless they hire an inhouse team of programmers to innovate from scratch - a scenario which is also unlikely to work)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess you're stuff with a mule, then, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some cars from twenty years ago are sturdier and more reliable than modern cars -- though the modern emission standards are cleaner'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''stuck'.. that is'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are many offerings at all price points that don't have those problems, Zade, either because the car company made sure not to fall into those kinds of boondoggles or because the model has already gone through such growing pains'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think the methane-to-mile ratio is pretty freaking stellar on a mule.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mules have braking issues, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those airbags are scary, and unreliable  (as in reverse unreliable)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... probobly faulty brake-control chips'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but nothing beats the cruise control on a late-model mule'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'another problem with mules is that if they get a flat tire you have to shoot them in the head.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes indeed... that's a bad day'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mules are sort of disposable that way'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'why spend a bullet ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... you could just let it loose at a crime scene in Hawthorne, Calif'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of modern car difficulties are from bad electronics -- unless like PC of the 1980s q990s where there was a lot of competition in chips, mainboards, and software, the use of computers in every modern car does not provide competition diversity'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Personal Computer market was open -- the current Car Computer market seems closed'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'closed like my give-a-crap meter on the topic'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not that is shouldn't be important to you, though.  by all means - have at those dastardly chinese slackers'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're also getting rid of emergency brakes'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Chinese are hard workers, they provide the crap as requested by the first world manufacturers (or are you saying that the Chinese are mostly to blame for providing only craps choices)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'You mean parking brakes? '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'not emergency brakes =p'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's another name for them, they're also known as hand brakes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... we won't need e-brakes once the government gets cracking on their multi-trillion dollar project to flatten all the roads to less than a .5% grade'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'yeah.. but... they're not for emergencies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'Hanslanda would you care to explain what's the plan to get rid of them ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I'd like to see them to that in the mountain state'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'better technology, plus the decrease in manual transmissions.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the mountains will be tunneld'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'Ever been to west virginia?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'obama said it himself just last night... gimme a sec and I'll get a reference for you'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only passing through.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'It would be impossible'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I do not see how a better technology automatic transmission could replace a parking brake'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the 1980s, some top-of-the-line portable cassette recorders contained components manufactured in huge volume circa 1955 -- those parts waited over twenty-five years before being used '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I could see the below 5% grade in flat lands but my whole state is a mountain'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to get rid of e-brakes?  They're practically already gone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'and We are home to one of the steepest grades in the eastern us and a very heavily traveled interstate system would be impossible to flatten the hills here'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not 5% grade.... point-five percent...   .5%'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'well Hanslanda I do not know a car that doesn't have at least a foot e-brake'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hold on.... still looking up that reference.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'parking brakes are not practically gone =p'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the scary part is when substandard components are manufactured in hude quantities, and wait years and years until used in (say) modern cars'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ford Escorts didn't have 'em.  They just had the between-seat e-brake.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'Hans.. that is a parking brake.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they are also known as e-brakes, safety brakes, and hand brakes, Daloran.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'And yet, they are parking brakes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'I think Hanslanda is trolling :) I agree on the disparition of the manual in the long term, but e-brake, unless we get triple redundancy independant channel disc brakes... like planes, would cost too much for now'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'the term ebrake is bullshit anyway. You try using one in an emergency, you're going to have a bad time.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, and they are going the way of the Dodo due to a lack of need (more auto trans instead of manual trans) and newer technology that improves on their use (ie, hill hold)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'No, they won't.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i completely ripped mine off the car.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'haha you are right Daloran, you must stall the car or close ignition first, then go to 1st or 2nd gear, to have a small chance of stopping'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'you blow a brake line and it comes in real handy and i would call no brake pressure an emergency'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some car manufacturers like this scenario, because the cars they produce are sure to break down even sooner, requiring even more crappy cars to be produced and sold - so extra humans are grossly inconvenienced as a result of this, they are laughing to the bank'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zade... tell me... who's to blame here?  the 35¢/hour chinese worker who made the part - the company that hired the worker to make the part - the warehouse where the part was stored - the shipping company that transported the part across the ocean - the dock worker in san fransico who moved the shipping container full of parts - the manufacturing company that bought the parts - the american auto worker who installed the part - the guy who drove the car with the part onto the truck - the dealer who sold you the car - the guy who detailed your car before you drove it home - you - or the guy who's banging your neighbor's wife while you drive the car.... who's FAULT is it.. who do you want to PAY?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the car designer'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hill hold is basically merging the handbrake into the accelerator (step on the gas, the ebrake disengages)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the CEOs that ordered the car designer to design the faulty car using cheap fauilty parts'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the guy who's sitting there in front of a cad program moving pixels around into the shape of a car is to blame for the faulty chips?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'Hanslanda hill hold, what happen if you lose trans fluid ? no more brakes ? :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the callous bord of directors that ordered the CEOs to order the car designer to design the faulty car using cheap fauilty parts'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'you mean capitalism Zade ? :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'debate Would also engage the ebrake when you lifted from the gas, which is an idiotic thing. Hill hold is actually to keep a manual car from rolling backwards down a hill while accelerating from a standstill..'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't think any sort of braking uses trans fluid...'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you honestly believe that an august assemblage of TOP business men would be so absolutly STUPID as to make that specific request?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the politicians seeking political contributions and are okay with the callous board of directors that ordered the CEOs to order the car designer to design the faulty car using cheap fauilty parts'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'International stopped making Jeep like trucks because they were not making any money out of them because they lasted forever so people loved them so much that they never got a newer one... it was a failure, you need to design it so it rusts and people will buy a new one, or you need to really charge alot for the first one because you won't sell any more after that :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hill hold only kicks in when you're stopped and on an incline.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they'd consult their lawyers and do a cost analysis (profit versus litigation)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my guess is that the decision to use the cheap parts is made by some middle level bean counter/purchasing agent who's trying to save a buck, and doesn't even know the chips ar faulty'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Daloran: 'yeah hans.. hill hold is not a replacement for a parking brake.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jeep is not worth buying anymore - lemon-jeeps'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the lawyers know that the components are faulty'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's because Jeep is a Chrysler brand, which means for it to become any good both the American AND the European markets have to be doing really well at the same time.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what do YOU drive, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'currently, the American market is doing well and the European market is in the tank again.  Any money that the Chrysler brands are bringing in is getting leeched into the euro markets to prop up Fiat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Chrysler produces "below average" defective vehicles these days (according to the 2013 Lemon-Aid) '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zade... what do you drive?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i'm looking to purchase a car to replace the twenty-five year old clunker -- and the Lemon-Aid book reads like a horror story '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you drive a clunker... is it in good repair?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yet passes emissions, brakes and brakelines are okay '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'keep it ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... no brainer... keep it'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've kept that clunker alive, doing many of the repairs, but the rust is killing the outer body '
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless you have to impress a girl, or a boss or some such'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mid-west?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'costal'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'live near a salt mine?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mid-ontario rural'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'road salt, then'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a car-killer'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they won't salt the roads in alaska... atracts too many animals'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Part of the government industrial collusion ... blah blah blah'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege looks over his head to see where the ball lands
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Sorry, thought the converstaion had gotten entiorely too rational. :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'do like my collegue, nothing like a bit of potty and wire mesh can't fix :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you use potty to fix your car?  Interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's hear it for recycling'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'sorry putty :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the state I grew up in doesn't have emmisions testing, but your car's body has to be in a condition such that pieces will not create a road or driving hazzard... every now and then, someone has to get the tire iron out of the trunk and just smash off a fender or a door panel'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no fender is preferable to an about-to-fall-off fender'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'he's really hilarious, he can fix holes about 12 inches by 12 inches, he wire mesh the whole area, putty all over, sand, and paint with a mix of rust paint and thinner so he can use his paint gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'fender you say, he made a whole fender with wire mesh'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'heck of a deal... and putty don't rust!'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Konnan: 'he has a norm, he never pay more than 300 bucks for a car, he uses it for a couple of years and sell it more than what he paid for, but yeah he doesn'T count all the man hours put into it...'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure glad I have my own beef cattle.....to save feed costs on corn,  a dairy farmer in Middlebury, Ind. He feeds his 400 cows bits of candy, hot chocolate mix, crumbled cookies, breakfast cereal, trail mix, dried cranberries, orange peelings and ice cream sprinkles, which are blended into more traditional forms of feed, like hay.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt has $8 million a year for a congressional barbershop, but not $100k for fireworks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are republican, don't ask the government to pay for your fireworks'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Flaming June is the alpha and omega of trance music'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's have a discussion'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone say something controversial'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must feel sorry for some of these small local newspapers - drudge links to one of their story and the surge of traffic takes their site down'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heard some rumours that the military in egypt, which control considerable amounts of the infrastructure and private corporations, manufactured the deteriorating energy supply in order to ferment dissent among Morsi supporters'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate from The Guardian:"...Morsi does not have the sensibility, the vision or the political acumen to tackle Egypt's complex structural challenges. Instead of delivering on his promises, such as more jobs, greater inclusiveness and al-nahda, or renaissance, he went to great lengths to monopolise power and to entrench his Islamist movement in state institutions... "'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://rt.com/usa/nsa-protests-july-4-700/'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'RT?  Really?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia's MSNBC'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'home of all things 'anti-western'?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, it's not anti-western'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is too'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at worst it's pro-russian'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Last time I was on RT it was talking about NK's aggression'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have yet to see a flatering western story, and I DO watch it a fair bit'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the one i just posted is a flattering western story'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but RT is not the debate here'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Egypt's military is'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ANY source you have to consider the motivations and bias, and yes, RT is pro-russia just in the same way MSNBC is pro-democratparty'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I can't see Egypt going to war soon'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same way Fox is pro-GOP'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same way BBC is pro-left'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so, of course there is ALWAYS room for speculation....  the Egyptian Military certainly has it within it's capability to effect Egyptian Economy... but I don't see the motivation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same way PressTV is pro-Iran'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Egypt is too scrambled as it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Morsi came to power because the military handed the power over to him....'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt is fucked now, the west shouldn't have pushed the revolution, it wasn't ready for it'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The people picked morsi... then un-picked him when he didn't fix anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I just hope Israel doesn't do anything stupid and anger Egypt'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the military hasn't acted agains the majority as far as I can tell'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Morsi was picked by the minority of the electorate'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it wasn't a two-way race, so there doesn't have to be a majority'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '33, and 33 and 34.... 34% wins'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both statements are correct, and is why a majority were against him just now'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that does equal 100, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Not to Egypt apparently'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll descend into sectarian violence now'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think so... I think the military will support another round of elections.  hope for a better outcome'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the military should have held on to power the first time and got the constitution sorted out first before elections'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I disagree... constitutions are for civilians to sort out... not soldiers'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not so say that a few soldiers can't hang up their rifles and become civilians'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can have civilians choose it, they don't need to be in charge for that to be done'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'putting Morsi in power then having him ram through a constitution isn't the way to do it'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so to bend your earlier statement... 'the military ought to have stayed in power while a select contingient of civilians sorted out a constitution'?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure of the best way of sorting out a constitution, but it ought to require as super-majority to pass'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a simple majority'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd go along with that, except that I would want a popular body of folks sorting it out.. not the military or the military's selectmen'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, i never intended the military draft the constitution, just that they held power while it was being done'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like to think that in USA's history, there were able 'statesmen' that did the sorting, but more and more, I think they were probobly just as crooked and selfserving as politicians today... I dunno though.  It's a bit blasmphous to say so in the US today'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were fighting for their states'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and dangerous... for better or worse, their work has served as an anchor'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and regardless of motive, it's a pretty good document'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a damned good anchor, it's a fucking travesty you guys haven't kept a hold of it, all your problems stem from letting the constitution be usurped'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most folks will toss away pretty much anything for a free chicken'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''specially if they never had to bleed for the thing their tossing'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time to take away the chicken'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'would be easier to take away M.Obama's weave'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'once you give someone a free chicken, the only way to get their hands unclenched is to hold out another free chicken'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'people hang onto their free chickens harder than Charlton Hesston hangs (hung) onto his guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just stop handing out the chickens'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they consume the chickens though, charlton's guns endure'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll either learn to farm chickens, or learn to buy more'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you'd have to be well braced for a riot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got to go to town... BBL'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, they can be weaned though'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm busy'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Egypt's Morsi presidency was brought down by economic failure... must have been all those pyramid schemes'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'What's the topic for tonight Von?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess we could debate....  egypt?  '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got pretty well beaten earlier, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why add fuel to that fire?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, we know now that the US is behind the Egypt uprising :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a pretty good debate... two relatively polarized views... no clear end...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Fez was last on : Fri Jan  5 11:41:50 2007'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The Arab Spring, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... US had something to do with arab spring.... that's what you mean, Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The US government mourns the death of a democratic government but secretly rejoices that the Islamic faction got it in the butt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US position on Islam is clear.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly true... it was a pretty untenable situation... rock and a hard place'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'but butt?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now THAT I will debate... the US Position on Islam depends entirely on who you ask'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Islamic Brotherhood is about to be outlawed in Egypt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really? The US makes no bones that they want Islam gone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ask obama, and he'll ask "got one I can kiss?"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, the Arab Spring was always supposed to happen.  We can't actually just go into every country we meddle in and oust the rulers therein, and the Bay of Pigs made us forever gunshy about smalltime operations to do the same.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course the US is not going to make an official statement on their position. That would be tantamount to declaring war on the entire  Middle East.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Israel excepted, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Most thinking Americans (all three of us) want organized religion completely out of the political economic picture'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since there's only three of you, I guess that makes you a solid minority'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Solidarity!'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what about keeping military out of politics? Egypt has a very long history of military in policits.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the presidents since the 50s have been former generals of the egypt military'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most thinking americans would laugh at such a statement.  If you don't have the God/Allah/Yahweh crazying it up, it just means the science crazies get free reign.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in egypts case, the military is pretty reliable... they didn't keep power any longer than they had to a couple years ago... didn't turn out too well, but at least the military allowed the system to fail'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ha religion out of politics sounds great ... so does winning the lotto'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and Mursi wasn't, so he was deposed by the military'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US destabilized both Libya and Syria. It's after Iran and now is manipulating Egypt.  '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I bought my ticket. Did you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Egypt was all us, long before we started poking Iran in earnest.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'where did you think Mubarak came from?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess I should be glad that my government is watching out for my interests'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'US invested several billions in their military'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'even if they don't always get it right... puppeteering isn't an exact science'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they saw the handwriting on the wall :) Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd be disappointed if my government wasn't out there stacking the deck'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what government is that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't you mean uparsin?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'either spelling works'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<-- USA.... but don't think for a minute that every government out there isn't doing the same to the best of their ability... except maybe sweden... but then they DID let Hitler roll through on his way to russia'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as for Mubarak. He conspired to have Amwar Sadat killed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Sweden wasn't between germany and russia, but they let them go through sweden to norway'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the Engelbrekt division was going by train through sweden to norway'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The point is that, allegedly, Egypt is a sovereign nation. The US is always mumbling something about respecting the sovereignty of other nations. The other manipulators don't put up that facade. '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wiki (for what it's worth): "During the German invasion of the Soviet Union, Sweden allowed the Wehrmacht to use Swedish railways to transport (JuneJuly 1941) the German 163rd Infantry Division along ...."'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Sweden was neutral  :>'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'interesting, didn't know that. I wonder if they were going to russia though. That is not a very straight way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'But actually, Sweden was, what was later coined as, finlandized.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... as was switzerland... and they were allowed to remain so as long as they let germany use them as they saw fit'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'exactly, that's what finlandization is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Finlandizaton refers directly to the relatioship of Finland and the USSR.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Finland was "independent" as long as they did what they were told.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well they shouldn't have gotten any cake at the after-war party'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'had Sweden said no to germany we would have been invaded in no time. I guess no one here felt it was a good idea.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there was a lot of face to be saved, Vonliege.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Besides, Sweden did allow allied spies to filter through.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I do understand the political reality of their situation... it just sounds so..... french.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they did at that'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and produced alot of steel and weapons for the allies'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they trafficed a lot of jews away from hitler, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'this is also applicable to Norway.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... back the the original point of my original comment... countries manouver and manipulate and scheme to improve their situation... it'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... back the the original point of my original comment... countries manouver and manipulate and scheme to improve their situation... it's their nature.. it's what they do'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonliege sounds "French" in that the French with their harshness at the end of WW1 indirectly started WW2'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some in small ways... some with tanks (if they have 'em)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but there is difference between positioning oneself and destabilizing another nation so that one can exploit it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was say "french" as in "the frech have already surrendured to Iran... just in case"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'WW1 and WW2 were the same war, and WW2 was a planned engagement by the allies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I gues there's no frenchmen here... waste of a darn funny joke'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what the Allies miscalculated was the insanity of Hitler. Everything else went according to plan.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm sure we have some poutine-mouthed Canadiennes'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'A good thing Hitler was insane or the war would have lasted longer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, actually, had Hitler not been insane, the war would have been over sooner :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Allies would have been crushed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, if you put it like that, perhaps.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Japan would not have had time to join the war :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'if Hitler had not been insane, there would have been no war in Europe'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'he wasn't very insane in the beginning. He was just crazy then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, that's wrong. The allies were sure that the war would resume. They started by making the Armistice as humiliating as possible.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not crushed, I think... the industrial US machine (that everyone with less than $1,000 in the bank seems to hate today) would have eventually ground hitler down, but it would have been very very expensive... more likely, there would have been a negotiated truce... but not crushed'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it wasn't just Hitler.  He wasn't even the real power.  A massive political machine stanced against the West put him there to further their ends.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'if they had actually enforced the armisitice germany couldn't have re-armed, militarized the rhine...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it would have been much more difficult without allies controlling some piece of land in europe though Von'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'exactly :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'armistice*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'They humiliated Germany and counted on the growing nationalism there to restart the war.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 's'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'difficult, AND expensive (in terms oflife and materiel)... but we were in it for the species.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '-s'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'german troops were barred from the rhineland and the allies just let them roll in on bicycles. Hitler tested the boundaries and repeatedly found the allies were too distracted to care what he did'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'distracted, and perhaps a bit apathetic'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'after all, we DID have a humongous ocean between us.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as well as a raging financial crisis.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not Hitler. The Wehrmacht. Hitler wasn't a very good strategist.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro is agreeing with that Hanslanda person again...
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there was that, yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah, think Anaristos is right about that too'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Well, Germany controlled the seas until attrition took its toll.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'His generals were afraid to go against his mad plans.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'WWII was actually fascinating from a theoretical point of view :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'from all points of view'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, as long as you weren't caught on the ground there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'germany had a lot going for it at the start, but speed and a quick endo to the war was always part of the plan... because hitler, AND his generals knew that they couldn't out last allied industrialism'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Well, Rommel could have won the war for Hitler. But Hitler was at his insanest with him :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you mean if Rommel had been in charge of strategy for the whole of germany?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Rommel was a brilliant armor officer, with a keen eye for tactics... but he wasn't all that brilliant at strategy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at least not on a gobal scale'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Rommel would be a major threat in today's climate.  Give him the right funding access and he could've become the rl Cobra Commander.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hehe... Ok'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he really liked to use the blitz, and often got caught with his supply lines spread way too thin'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he decoded the message signalling the invasion of Normandy. Hitler ignored him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'rommel decoded a message? intercepted you mean?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wasn't rommel out of the office ill that day?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'No, decoded. The message was sent over the BBC radio, a musical massage. The BBC regularly transmitted messages some being dummies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I know he was away from the coast'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he was in charge of the Atlantic front. When ne notified Berlin of the imminent invasion he was relocated.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but then again.. I might be pulling that from between my right and left butt cheaks'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I knew he had been transfered from N Africa, but I never heard this about the message before. Interesting'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'his notes about D Days are available somewhere.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'D-Day*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'yeah looking for it on google. Those keywords produce a lot of results though'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is close, but not really conclusive:  http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v10/v10p417_Irving.html'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... Rommel said Calais'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Calais is the waterway the English call the Channel.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'English Channel -. Strait du Calis'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Calais*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'pais de calais i believe it's called'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'large port south of normady'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Spanish call it E Canal de la Mancha.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'El*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that makes me think of Don Quixote'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'exactly. He lived in La Mancha, which is the French Calais.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It was a strange debate this time. Very little controversy in most contributions to it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'probably b/c no one wants to defend hitler'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it was mostly a historical review :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Tigernuts is offline'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro snickers softly.
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are to things, Hitler and Germany. The two get equated and confused.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I can't really defend hitler... not even for the sake of debate'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but as often happens, the debate starts with something and ends with Hitler in one way or another.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we could discuss his impact on modern day germany, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Germany could be defended, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... it's a great county'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the Germans still have some issues'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they make high-quality crap.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'In germany, if you visit some WW2-historical place, they speak about the Nazis and the Germans as two separate groups of ppl.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a German will rat you out in a heartbeat if he thinks you're breaking the rules'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'or perhaps this, "Which country is less reformed since the 1940's, Japan or Germany?"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'germany'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I thought Japan'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if by "reformed", you mean different from how they were at the start of wwII'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'definitely Germany.  The Japanese moreorless "forgot" their old selves.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'German technical genius can't be denied. The experts obtained after the war fuled the US "industrial revolution" :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'err...reformed as in less likely to repeat historical mistakes'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'spontaneously I would say Japan as well but I haven't thought it over really.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would say that germany is less changed from the experience of WWII than japan is'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Japan was emerge as a technical powerhouse. But their first strength was the ability to duplicate others' technologies more compactly and cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MacArthur pretty much overhauled the entire country of Japan'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I just read things in the news about Japan still denying well known war crimes like Unit 731 or atrocities in China'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'has emereged*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'they did some really terrible things in China.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you mean "overhauled" as an euphemism for "rape", I agree :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, treat typos like temper tantrums.  If you ignore them, they'll go away.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a tasty bit of bait for someone'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Pro GMO is the way to go!'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'interesting article about japanese denials http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/18/opinion/la-oe-guttentag-japan-nanking-20130118'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'guttentag sounds like a bad spelling for "Good day" in german.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'hah there's a museum in Japan where you read that "The U.S. forced Japan into bombing Pearl Harbor"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'looks like*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Your point?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that it's false?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'weren't the embargoes in force at that time?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'oil embargo yeah'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but oil embargo != surprise attack'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'keep in mind we were "meddling" in China at the time.  Japan was our enemy-by-proxy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it left Japan with few options though. They picked the most drastical solution to the problem.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'economic collapse inevitable = what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the perfect time for a heroic hail mary.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's a common tactic to not ship goods to people with whom you disagree. Like Cuba. Doesn't justify the attack'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Japan was being pretty dang brutal in China, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and they are not exactly best of friends now either'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'it is a common tactic of the strong to strangle the weak, doesn't make it right'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody else was shipping them, either, and they were in a land war in Asia when they noticed the white guys with funny eyes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and for the record, and for what's it's worth... the flying tigers were individual voluneers... not US forces =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'nor does it make it wrong for the weak to kick their attacker in the nuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they were AMERICAN volunteers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just better be ready to run when he gets up'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'why is it wrong to withdraw economic support from regimes with whom you have fundamental disagreements? Why would you support that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there were Armerican volunteers in Britan as well... and there were American volunteers fighting for Germany, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sometimes you can influense the ones you are disagreeing with to change their minds perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'without embargos'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not wrong.  But it clearly is a reason (when combined with a lack of options elsewhere) to go try smoking someone in order to relieve the pressure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'so...I want your car in order to continue the conquest of my neighbor. You don't let me have it, so I kill you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'trade embargos are generally considered an acceptable and non-violent alternative to military action.... that the Japanees chose to attack pearl harbor as a result can't be pinned on the US... Japan made a choice, and lost.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bs, Vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you need a car and can't get someone to give/sell you one.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Germany had many opportunists join thems early in the war.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'HEY!  there's Zade!  let's talk about defective car chips!'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'oh no!'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's so 24 hours ago.  Let's talk about defective potato chips instead.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think we covered that subject thoroughly'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(defective chips *and* defective programmers coding defective code)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'all programmers produce defective code'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and those that make the chips will produce defective chips'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, they do.  Job security and all that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zade, are you a programmer yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you write too good of a code, you end up with enough time to become a janitor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'expendable defective programmers that deliberately produce defective code are to be euthanised'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's not a lucrative business to do a bad job deliberately, especially not as a programmer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(better to be a rich janitor than a euthanised expendable defective programmer that produced defective code)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'better to be a rich janitor than a euthanised expendable defective programmer that deliberately produced defective code'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're have a pretty miserable life, huh Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'envious ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did the Ontario winter bring you down a little too much?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you could get help, you know?  I hate to see anyone as dejected as you are.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if the winter didn't the floods probably did.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if you are snowed in you get lots of time for reflection'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the last winter here was warmish '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the melting snow flows into the nearby channel to the lake where the rich float their boats'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they don't let you go ice fishing on their lake?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the snowplows clear the roads of snow  regularly in winter'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you'd rather see the snow in its natural habitat?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade dislikes fishing, nether a fair nor nice sport
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the canadian wealthy probably act just like the american wealthy, trying to hide public access to nearby public features (ie, beaches) in order to pretend they've got more property than they pay for.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'abaolutly... I agree with you on fishing.. I much prefer hunting... there's no kill-and-release in hunting'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'stays indoors in winter (likely plays a some mud somewhere)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hunting isn't fair either unless you hunt without a rifle. But then I guess it would be unfair to you. Hmm..'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'could always use a tranquilizer gun.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'depends what you hunt elfeneri. Turkey hunting, advantage is with the turkey'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I generally don't get too concerned with 'fair'... I do like a freezer full of game meat, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro is agreeing with that Vonliege person again...
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade dislikes hunting, neither a fair nor nice sport  (the human race is supposed to be evolving into benign, not devolve into barbaric)
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not to mention the belly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think turkeys are far too dumb to be advantaged.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'turkeys arent smart, no, but they are incredibly cautious and fearful. And have excellent hearing and vision'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kilfer falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and hunting nasty humans -- Barack Obama is doing that'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the most dangerous game'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zade... you go ahead an evolove your genetic tree into a benevelant (how the hell do you spell that?) benign species... My decendents will thank you for the free stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'Devolve into barbarians cause we hunt that is good stuff lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'i'm a barbarian already, no need to evolve in any direction.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kilfer nods at ElFeneri.
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'though I have learned to behave civilized.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'atleast you're offering help =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'michan'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is civilized behavior?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I can sit in a sofa without having my feet on the table for instance.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bad definition of "civilized" :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hmm.. well, I can be polite :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'civilized is knowing which fork is for eating the meat, and which fork is for picking your nose'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'civilized behavior is being able to watch someone else utterly ruin their whatever and having no issues with it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'knowing which fork to use makes one culturally attuned, not civilized :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what ever'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to me, being civilized is to understand that the automatic behavior built into our systems may no longer be applicable.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you say that to be 'counter-culture' is to be civilized?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oompug: 'I've always kinda thought "civilized" is what one group of people calls itself when it wants to think it's better than another group of people...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is that, though the definition is wrong :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'll let my wife know that next time she catches me with my feet on the table.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oompug: 'ah, granted... that's not a definition... it's a usage quirk... i withdraw my comment...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, how to dress, how to act in a social setting is entirely cultural. By your definition, only your locale is civilized.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'these are all nice colloquialisms, but here's the dictionary to spoil the party:  1.Bring (a place or people) to a stage of social, cultural, and moral development considered to be more advanced: "a civilized society".'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so we eached touched on some of those'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'notice that it says "cultural". I don't agree that cultural correct is a synonym for civilized. For instance, unless you want to claim that cannibals are civilized, you have to exclude them even though they behave correctly according to their culture :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it didn't say culturally correct though, it said social, cultural, and moral development.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'according to "us" they are not civilized, according to "them we are not civilized.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps the rub is in the difference between a 'civilizatoin', and 'to be civilized'... the azteks practiced human sacrifice...AND they were a civilization'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'self-evaluating, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'You gotta do what you gotta do to please the gods.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I guess if we used the word "civilization" literally, it applies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you also would have to exclude the eskimo.  Most cultures don't look on woman getting naked and in bed with a stranger at their door as civilized (in fact, most women would be quite offended if hubby told them to do so).'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Rome wouldn't be considered civilized by those standards, Hanslanda.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think what we have established here, is that "to be part of a civilizatoin is 'civilized'"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'definitely.  When in Rome...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a circular definition.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or to blend in in a civilization is to be civilized'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like when I'm hunting turkey... I blend in real good'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to me, a civilized  person overrides their instinctive behavior with a behavior based on the actuality of the situation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but do you hunt in the civilization?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't consider hunting a civilized behavior :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I go where the turkey are... right into the heart of the 'Turkey Nation''
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not today, anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can hunt in civilized portions of your world.  A case in point is in municipal deer control.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonliege, those genocidal africans in africa "are part of civilisation"  -- (that definition requires work to exclude anomalies)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hunting for food is neither/nor. Hunting for sport is barbaric.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'in the hunter gatherer civilizations it must have been considered civilized to hunt'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what (just playing devil's advocate, here) if you hunt for sport, and then donate the carcass to a family in need of food?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, ElFeneri. That's what I said.  Hunting for food is neither/nor :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos: "a civilized person overrides their instinctive behavior with a behavior based on the actuality of the situation" - Gengis Khanm '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'technically, that would be hunting for food, Majic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't suppose plucking helpless blueberries from their monther-bush is very civilized, wither'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I would think so, too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'either*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you hunt for food that you don't want?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but you then ensure it's eaten by someone who needs it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, you miss the point. What I mean is that there are many instinctive behaviors which no longer serve us because we are not in a primitive setting anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, just changed the definition of "you"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the only reason I'm curious is that this is pretty common where I'm from.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Now I don't know to whom I'm talking anylonger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'If you are a commercial food provider, hunting makes sense. To go hunt just because is not a civilized act.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well.. I suppose in Majic's scenario... "there's a family in need, and you don't mind pulling the trigger to help them out."'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hunter-gatherer societies often "overhunted" because they were responsible for providing for the entire community instead of just themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yes, hunter-gatherers were constantly on the move'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, Hanslanda, but the purpose was to have food, not to get one's rocks off. Even if hunting did get one's rocks off :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonliege, "pull the trigger" and euthanise "the family in need" (?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know anybody that hunts as an orgasmic experience, and I'm in a pretty rual area... lots of us hunt.  We LIKE to hunt... and we LIKE to eat it, too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really, those who can't wait for the hunting season to open don't enjoy killing animals?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure, Zade... if that's what you say I ment... by all means, kill the poor people <rolls eyes>'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I actually like shooting more than I like hunting... Huntings all well and good, and it puts some cheap meat in the freezer...  but I really like plinking and blasting colored ice blocks more.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it might be less enjoyable if someone had previously injured you (or nearly so) or some other difficulty has arisen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hunting is also a way ro regulate the number of wild animals so that wildlife car accidents are not so frequent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and frankly I'd rather have hunters a few weeks of the year than import natural deer predators :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a scifi author repeatedly stated in a scifi novel "A hunter has no soul" -- wrote the whole movel around that concept'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'deer predators have the unfortunate habit of deciding to eat pets instead because they're more available'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right, because we were put on Earth into make sure that the ecosystem would work correctly. Before humans evolved the ecosystem was a mess :>'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, no, but it did rely on predators that we've eliminated because we don't like our toddlers, pets, and livestock getting eaten.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Anaristos, which is why nature found it important to evolve us humans :-P'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'considering that the entire Earth is our ecosystem, pretty much.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'once we've eliminated the predators, the ecosystem really doesn't work correctly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if humans disappeared from the Earth, the ecosystem would survive.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well we can't all just commit suicide now... so now we have to deal with a deer population that is higher than any time in history'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'something that cannot be said about it  if humans do remain.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you hunt, you are dead inside, without soul, and not really alive'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes, but it would undergo some pretty fantastic swings until it settled to something stable, given the superabundance of prey and the relative shortness of predators'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes yes yes, Zade... we all heard what you had to say about your favorite SciFi authour... now move along and let the adults talk'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(unless hunting down nasty hunter humans)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ecosystems, if left alone, will reach an equilibrium. Humans don't want an equilibrium, they want a bias, which is why the ecosystem is in danger atm.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not hunting deer + shooting predators = making everything sick in the ecosystem.  This is pretty much how the environmentalists nearly killed our national parks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the equilibrium may of course not be a stable point'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zade, let me get this straight, those that hunt nasty humans are not dead inside while those that hunt other things are dead inside?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'equilibrium is stable, by definition. There is no implication of a static state.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'correct. but equilibrium may involve some pretty dramatic swings even while involved in a limit cycle'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'temporarily suspend empahy to eliminate the diseased humans'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and again, because the ecosystem would re-regulate without humans doesn't mean that we aren't involved in regulating it now'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'man... this conversation just gave me a headache... freaking college boys.  I'm going to get a shower.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dashiell: 'Shooting deer is a goodness. It beats the hell out of card games.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if humans destroy the Earth and themselves, they would have, belatedly, proved to have been a flaw in evolution :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dashiell roars in victory over his fallen enemy.
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(empathy)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's a pretty big if, Ana.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not from where I am looking. Have you read the impact of fragging yet?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all the aquifers that are so contaminated that produce flammable water? Tell me if we are not heading for extinction.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, since our sun is headed for extinction eventually ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're not.  At least not by virtue of environmental concerns.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, not fragging, fracking :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the ecosystem cannot sustain the assault by humans indefinitely.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some buddhists sweep the path in front of them as they walk so as to avoid stepping upon or killing any insects -- (that may be a tad excessive, simply look and avoid the insects, no need to sweep)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Earth will long have been inhospitable by the time the sun lets loose with its ultimate silent-but-deadly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe so, Hanslanda. What does that have to be with now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to do*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I bet they made the broom from a dead branch too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, you could think of the radioactive pollution from the Ukraine and Japan as "natural" events. In which case, the ecosystem is in fine shape :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Anaristos, that is a perverted (re)definition of "natural"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'one of them was triggered by a natural event anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'my point, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, you mean that the "natural" reactor was victimized by the tsunami. I get you, ElFeneri :) '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'No, I mean the tsunami was a natural event. Logical result of an earthquake.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'One can of course argue that everything humans do are unnatural even though we were the result of nature itself.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'tsunamis are natural events, the reactors they might destroy are not natural elements of the environment.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(organic farming is more natural than farming with excess chemicals)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'farming in and of itself is unnatural.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but your natural farm wouldn't be there if it wasn't for humans.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for instance, the comet that hit the Earth during the KT boundary killed all the land dwelling dinosaurs. That's a natural event. Dropping nuclear bombs on a section of the planet and wiping all life would be considered a natural event only by changing the definition of the word "natural".'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that which preserves nature and the ecosystem is likely (more) natural (than that with destroys the ecosystem)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so why the problem with hunting? ;)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong Anaristos, you are disregarding the timeline'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I am not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am certainly not going not delve inot the metaphysics of WMDs :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'into*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the world overpopulation is excessive, too many humans, the desire to hunt is a disease'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'rats don't destroy the environment when their populations explode. They take care of it in a way we don't even notice it has happened.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless hunting humans to reduce the overpopulation -- but that is too barbaric when there are more benign options'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so your genocide to solve overpopulation scenario is a bit over the top.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'is it a natural event if some predator animal eat all individs of an entire species?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'very much so.  It's a classic sign that something is wrong with your ecosystem.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if the predator eats in such a way that the ecosystem can no longer support it, then it is obviously an evolutionary dead end.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or something is wrong witht he species that was exterimnated?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Apocalypse according to St John does suggest that option to reduce world overpopulation {"two were in a field, one was taken, one was left" (taken==killed)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'so if this predator is intelligent enoug to realize that a specific species will die out if they keep on eating it, then it's not a natural event if they keep on eating it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is why it is speculated that the dinosaurs would have died anyway even without the comet, because they were eating themselves into extinction.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, because the environment enforces a system of checks and balances.  A predator species will never, by itself, get to a point where their population comes close to the prey population.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if the prey species is sick, the predator species will be sick.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really, what is checking and balancing huamans?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'most species that has lived on earth died out long before humans came'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not blaming humans for the death of the dinosaurs. But I can blame them for the extinction of the do do and others.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'm just trying to figure out what you mean by "natural"'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'rhinos will soon be gone, elephants are on the way out, there is a long list of animals that humans have exterminated.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it seems as if humans do something it's unnatural, but if a lion does something it's natural. Or a comet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, that's true, ElFeneri.  But it works to support my point.  With biodiversity, you introduce adaptation so that the ratio of predator to prey stays constant relative to the entire group.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if one predator species decimates a prey species, another prey species will rush into the void.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you can get picky about what "natural" is. It is true that anything that happens is natural because if it were not natural it would not occur. I am, however, using "natural" to mean as flowing harmoniously within the ecosystem.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently, many humans are a disease that is/are destroying the biodiversity of this planet '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the ecosystem is not something that is static even if you remove humans. Some species will evolve and become better, others will evolve into dead ends and die out. Either because they were outrivalled or because they were a evolutionary mistake in another way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(conjecture) from the perspective of God, something drastic may be requireed to be done '
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I undertand that, ElFeneri.  I have never claimed that the ecosystem is static. But if your going to claim that dropping nuclear bombs is part of the ecosystem gestalt, I am sorry, I am not going to go along.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade recommends euthanisation of most of the human race
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'm not saying that dropping nukes is "natural" in any way. I was just trying to argue in different ways to see where you draw your line about what is natural and what is not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Most?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Nominates Zade Supreme Leader'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nukes are essentially man-made impact events.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'spreading radioactive poisons are the human race saying to God "Total euthanisation please."'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the worst one so far merely almost wiped out life on Earth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it would be most unnatural if we would direct a nuke towards an oncoming comet that would otherwise wipe out all life on earth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but nature would probably be grateful'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'even if unknowingly so'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, yes, and no. That would be a good usage of a nuclear device, it would be used to preserve the ecosystem rather than to destroy it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'One thing Nature will never be is grateful'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can shoot them at it, but we don't have a combined arsenal big enough to nudge it around.  If one is aimed at Earth, we're going to be hellishly rained on by either a giant entity (the comet, as-is) or lots of little pieces still travelling head-on towards earth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'destroying the comet would not change the ecosystem, it would prevent the ecosystem from being changed. A subtle distinction, perhaps.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Hanslanda, for the sake of my argument, we can send up a deep see drilling team to the comet that will place it inside the comet. Then it will work. :-P'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they could put an engine on the comet and make it veer :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sea*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'zee*'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem is that your average dangerous comet is the size of a small island :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you have to forgive me, I'm not native english speaker.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we don't yet have that capability, even if Hollywood thinks we do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Let's hope we don't have to find out we don't have the capability.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or this mud is over'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'thogh, when Hale comet came by, the Soviets did land a camera on it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'all my grinding will be for naught'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to even get to the comet, we'd have to go really, really fast.  That's the first problem we'd encounter, as our rocket fuel options are still horribly slow and inefficient.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Before we can't have a capability, Hollywood must have the capability to make us think we do have the capability. I think ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, thanks everyone. It was an interesting discussion but it's bedtime in GMT+1.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's not a problem, Hanslanda. Once in space, the rocket would not slow down. So since the path of the comet can be predicted accurately, a rocket can be sent even when the comet hasn't even generated a tail.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Wait Isn't that Pelucidar?'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos just propositioned ElFeneri, the nerve of that perv.
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by the time we get there, though, it will have gotten a tail'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not quite what I had in mind :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri :-P
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, what I mean is that you can start the rocket on its way 4 or 5 years before the comet becomes a danger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if we see it at that point.  That's not a likely scenario if we didn't know it was out there in the first place.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '4 to 5 years advance warning -- you are dreaming'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we even know what comets will be dicey in the 2020s and 2030s'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'those we already know about we can plot against in hundreds of years timeframes, though practically (politically) speaking we'd probably only ever be operating on 10-20 year frames.'
T3/r7/2013-07-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and we'd probably waste a lot of that time on remote solutions that fail.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno.. can you milk it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'is weird al yankovic married to a celebrity?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I mean... not just ANYONE can have a cash cow'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''cause if YOU had one... and I had one... then MY cash wouldn't be worth as much'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I mean there HAS to be a loser in the equation somewhere, or there can't be a winner'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'Von oh. like in that movie where peoples time/lifespans were on their wrists'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'man... that movie made me uneasy'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'why? you felt exploited?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... just the pure 'bleakness' of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'what about that other movie, training day, where that cop gets high and beats up his partner after almost being raped?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'it was pretty bleak too'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'din't see that one'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'or that movie ' firing the last shot' where that guy (Spoiler alert) kills his friend to end a war'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'din't see that one either'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh. wow. you sure dont watch many movies'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'did you see finding nemo?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a fair amount.. just not all of them'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I watched thatone in the background'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'it was bleak too'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'what about twilight, where a young flat chick with a dead mother and a cop for a father chooses between necrophelia and bestiality.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and assumably, her psychoanalytical side identified more with the corpse because it reminded her of her dead mother.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh wait, my bad. her mom isnt dead, just divorced'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya...  I watched those... buy my kids didn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'X.X i guess i need sleep.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh von. hey remember that one apolcalypse thing where in the days leading up to the final time, men will seek death, and it will fly out from them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'does that remind you much of those nifty emo chicks at all?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can't say it rings a bell'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'or what do you think of when you see a nifty emo chick?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'von oh. you must've not been brought up near a bible much .'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'von, well, im gonna go take a nap, i feel ugly without my beauty sleep.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'have a good night'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude hugs Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh.... I thought you were sitll talking about movies with "..remember that one apolcalypse thing"'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh. no.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'just the regular apocalypse thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'not the mayan , not the zombie, not the y2k'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Rev 9:6'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'von wouldn't it be fun to see the apocalypse?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... because I won't be here'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'like that'd have some awesome special effects right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude peers intently at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'anyhow, nite bro'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'night'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, it's sort of the way AOL works.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what's a little fracking among friends.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''''
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what do you have tonight Von?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a belly full of ribeye'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nice'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'none of that grass fed free-range crap either'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '100% N.Iowa corn-fed Angus'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sounds good'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'had sushi myself'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'taters wern't so hot, though... Wife has gotten it into her head that she needs to lose a few pounds if she wants to stay a size 6... she made some kind of "baked tater salad"... was pretty dry'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sushi's pretty rightous.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'Mmmm onion fed beeffalo *drool*'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'despite X-fflo's reputaion from poor marbling... the onion part sounds pretty tasty.  We had to be sure and keep the dairy cows out of the onions growing up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had never thought that it would come thru in the meat as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'makes sensem, though.. lot of sugar there too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Can they eat garlic? Would be interesting to see what would happen to the taste if you throw in a garlic in their food every day :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'it doesn't create a strong flavor but a definate undertoned that works well with butter or cream based sauces'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'no idea about the garlic but if they would eat it and its not harmfull would be interesting'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about that story Dash posted on (Imm)?  about the soccer ref.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Some things that happen in the world is just too strange to understand'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'such as why a referee carries a weapon during a game'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and that he kills a player, and then, the friends and/or relatives of the victim not only kills the referee in turn, but decapitates him and places the head on a pole in the middle of the soccer field.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who knows... but like someone said... he was likely expecting trouble... wether he went looking for it, or it came to him isn't clear'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got in a small bit of trouble in town the other day.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It's hard to say, but if my brother was stabbed to death by a referee I certainly wouldn't place his head on a pike.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what happened?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hard to say how I would react*'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have a knife that i've carried with me for about 6 years... it's a fairly high end Dalton Auto - 4.5 inch blade, S30V steel, laser cut G10 scales... a really nice knife.. sent to me free by the man himself during my first deplyment.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in most states, automatic knives are not legal except for LEO and Military....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and even then, they're only SUPPOSED to be carried when you're "on the job"'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the military wants to have all the fun for themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but at least you have an excuse for owning one.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I recently retired form the military, and had never considered that I ought to NOT carry that knife anymore.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'after you pull on your socks in the morning you place the knife in your pocket?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pretty much, ya.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THEN put my underwear on'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'first thing first :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I had some business in the County Courthouse (small town - county seat)... you have to go thru a metal detector to get to some parts of the courthouse....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so I emptied my pockets like I had befor.. handed the knife to the old fart sitting at the desk (he'll hold stuff like that for you till your done).....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '15-20 minutes later, when I came back thru to get my stuff, there was a state trooper waiting for me... the old fart had been sitting there playing with it and cought the notice of the trooper.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'You've got my attention.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I ended up in the holding cell adjacent to the courtroom (no court that day) while the trooper ran my bonifides....  in the end, I got my knife back with a suggestion that I park it in my gun safe, but he could have taken it and ran me in for it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'm not sure what would happen if I carried that sort of thing here, and I don't want to find out either.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I still carry it, but I took the spring out, so it's just a manual locking blade knife, now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, that seems logical'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a bit suprised that a blade that "locks" is the line between legal and not legal in alot of states'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'many states also have a legth limit to locking knives'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think the enthusiasm of talking about knives should be illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pick another topic'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'jews'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'apple jews'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'jew jaws'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'why only jews can tell the hardcore jew jokes?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'do we really have nothing else to debate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we don't know your not jewish... let'r rip'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in general, only (members of group) can tell the hardcore (members of group) jokes -- an exception is usually made for blondes and rednecks'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'unless...they aren't around'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'then you can tell whatever joke you want to :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'aint that like talking about the amish on the radio?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'blonde rednecks get away with saying most things then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahha... I see what you did there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'blondes dont have a sense of humour. nor rednecks. its our duty to do it all for them'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'excellent demonstration of word-twistology'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'btw, shouldn't rednecks be the only ones allowed to joke about rednecks? Except for blondes of course.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'most blondes are blondes by choice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'rednecks are white, and everyone can make fun of white people '
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's the rule on that, more or less'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bah... anyone can tell a joke on a redneck... that's the main reason the term 'redneck' exists... how often to you hear the term 'redneck' when it's NOT in a joke?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'all the time, actually'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frequently, and often as a self-description'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'board'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'no worries, I do that all the time'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I did hear back... not alot of details though.  I just dind't get enough votes'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sounds interesting though'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'tried out for So You Think You Can Dance?, huh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"are you smarter than a fifth grader, actually"'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that's difficult for most ppl not in school'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, they have voting on that show?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'll start over in a few days and see if I can't get more interviews... perhaps you'll be available =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I really got to just leave the channel when there's no debate going'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan,... AGAIN'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, I already know I'm not smarter than a fifth grader.  I would've won if it weren't for those meddling kids!'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari throws back his head and howls in profound frustration!
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari sighs.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'stupid debate competition.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i lost to a team that had no points, with adjudicaters that provided no feedback, even after tagging their speech as "constructive feedback"'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'How exactly do you compete in debate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'talk?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'their whole speech was: "the margin was close, both teams were good, we gave the win to 'team'"'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I don't understand where it becomes a competition'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'you give a speech that defines the motion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and then go into points(what happens if you do or do not do it)'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the speaker after you has to rebutt your points and provide their own.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Ok, sounded like two teams starts off with opposite opinions, and the team that sways the other team to their side wins.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the debate is judged by adjudicaters.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'who judge by manner, method and matter'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( adjudicators... )
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'thanks for correction'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari gallantly tips his hat to SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I figured that was it after googling it. I'm not native speaker so I wasn't familiar with it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos beams a smile at Jopari.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '+english*'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the thing is, the adjudicators in our debate gave us nothing. not even why we won or lost.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they were supposed to, part of rules, need to justify win.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I've done 9 cps today. Feels like it's enough of that :-P'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'bah, mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri mutters something quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'smile elfe'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari beams a smile at ElFeneri.
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I usually only mischan on ct. This is a new experience.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'guess I was inspired by Von earlier'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'this proves I can change'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'guess the lowest speaker score around.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '5?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the lowest any debator can possibly get'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '69'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '3 sir! 3!'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that is if you stand and immediately sit down'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'ok, sounds like a pretty high score'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'average is 75'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'why not normalize it to 0 then? The lowest I mean.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the adjudicators gave us 50'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they're used to it I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the scoring marks thing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, strictly normalizing it would make it 1 not 0. '
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they gave us a negative score, for each and everyone'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when in an international debate, we all got 80++'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'round one was fine, the guys were good to debate against.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'round 3 absolutely sucked'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'none of the adjudicators knew how to debate.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'all were teachers and lawyers'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'forestalling question: don't lawyers know how to debate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'each team of three must provide a definition, stance mechanism and so on'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'yeah they are master debaters'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'lawyers don't need definition'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'stance is simple: we believe he is guilty/innocemt'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'mech? exonerate/condemn'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'one thing lawyers don't belive in is right or wrong anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'because of this, with these adjudicators they only care about statistics'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they believe in them, El.  Just not particular applications of those concepts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, I don't reckon there is a difference'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in the end, mechanism, stance, points and definition don't matter. if you give more stats, you win.'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and since there are no debators, no one objects, instead follow his lead'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'debators as adjudicators i mean'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'signing off, bye'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'byebye'
T3/r7/2013-07-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'no rest, no peace, only double xp!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Any Swedes on to explain why your government just went full retard?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'swedish kitty is very persuasive.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'too much immigration>'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I'm talking about vetoing EU investigations into US espionage.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'As an American who is appalled at recent US actions, why the hell veto that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'considering that everyone with a decent intelligence department is doing exactly the same thing, and have been for the past 40 years, very few want to ruffle too many feathers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Really? Everyone's been using pressure with US-based internet companies in order to gain access to essentially the entire world's emails?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'This is news to me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'They're all spying on whomever they wish to be spying on.  We probably even sold them all the tools to do so, and invited their spooks and spocks to seminars on best practices.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Not really.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The US has actually been rather dickish about espionage since the cold war ended.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the golden rule of espionage is that it doesn't matter what you do so long as you don't get caught.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, the cia even put out ads for mba grads to apply '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Only they were caught.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, Vamp, in video games.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Their pants were down and their shrunken willy was photographed several times for all the world to see.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And Germany is currently going 'wait, you're breaking our internet laws against our citizens'.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And everyone else is kind of pissed as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And then Sweden looks up long enough from licking that shriveled penis to go 'NO INVESTIGATION''
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US can spy. They also have to take the consequences now that they have been caught. Deal with it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ranrr, the thing is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Sweden is trying to mitigate it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'For no reason I can see.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We like to spy on our citizens too. We are just upfront about it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the thing.  What consequences?  If the US isn't at the forefront of capability, it means someone else is doing exactly what they were doing and have yet to get caught.  If we have no peer, chances are good that too many others are depending on us and it makes no sense to cut up your safety net.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Again, you are assuming we're all nice and friendly like the cold war is still going on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, no trade agreement with the EU, no exhange of information, to start with'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'The US is currently number one at spying on everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'well, the warsaw pact fell apart and the country containing warsaw joined nato'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And they're not really sharing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'well, cyanogen mod is similar to a forked source right'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dread Lord Morinon rips Hanslanda's strap-on off her crotch, proving they're a WOMAN!
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Aha! It's actually an NSA shill!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Mostly joking here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If germany and france get really pissed, they could leave the NATO, and kick the US out of europe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're too tied up in pretty much anything for that to happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wouldn't bet on it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It would likely take more for it to happen, but it could.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Germany is very good at these things. If they make up their mind. And so is france.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'shrug, germanys intelligence agency building isnt even hardened against electronic spying'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anything could happen, yes.  Nobody will actually let it happen, though, because they don't want to step up in all the areas our presence vacated.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The EU could be a new military power, that could fill that void.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think they're even privately coddling us strictly so that we don't become a giant Israel.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ranrr nah, they have a musical chairs method of leadership. how can they order military force about if they dont even know who the leader will be in 5 years'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Things can change, quickly. Just look at europe in the 30s.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, uh, israel's a democracy with all sorts of good media coverage, why would it be bad to become such?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Yeah, Europe's doing pretty good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Very similar problems in europe in the 30s and now. '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Israel is rather cowboyish and unafraid to act independantly (however covertly that must be)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Israel is the US.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Israel is not a democracy. Israel is a republic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'don't confuse non-contact insemination with asexuality.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does anyone think a 'fully space capable' china is a good thing?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tech Bloke Danj: 'because it will convince everyone else to get their butts back in gear re: space development'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok...  so it's "good" as a motivator...'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that's sort of like saying that "getting swept away by a flood is a good motivator for building an arc"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose it would be good if '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I suppose it would be good if "everyone else" saw the rain coming down hard in time to BUILD an arc'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/soccer/2013/07/06/soccer-referee-decapitated-brazil-stabbing-maranhao/2495199/'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we discussed that at length yesterday. Where were you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'outside'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'discussed yesterday...  determined to be messed up'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'how was it Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'out-what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hot'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there is no air condition in this outside you are talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no air conditioning anywhere'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I grew up in one of those 'unwieldly' climates where the -40°f winters preclude A/C in homes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'despite 80% humidity and 80-90°f summers'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't get hot enough to require ac for the few days if tops 80'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '-40 is really bad'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not seeing much interesting in the news this morning'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more islamic attacks in Nigeria, more violence in Egypt, Turkey'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and bad pilots trying to land in SFO'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really news, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gay rights activists beat up street preachers'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A Mexican police chief killed in Jalisco earlier in the year is the latest murder victim of the Department of Justice's Fast and Furious program'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it becaomes clear that the murder weapon was one of the rifles shipped to Mexican drugs cartels by the US government'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hehe... on my browser, the google results for "Not Okay: Christian Street Preachers" show "Not Okay: Christian Street Preachers..."'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'errr.... no... wait'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hehe... on my browser, the google results for "gay rights activists beat up street preachers" show "Not Okay: Christian Street Preachers..."'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't surprise me, not like it's returning results in any sane order'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the full text that was clipped is "Not Okay: Christian Street Preachers Attacked At Seattle Pride"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"results in propoganda and vested interest-tweaked order"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wisconsin have implemented an abortion law similar one to the one temporarily blocked in Texas'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Latest tests of the Pentagon's latest $214m missile defence system (Boeing) shows a hit rate of just 50%'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, and a mother at a new york country club had the polce called on her because she was breastfeeding her child, the police claiming that her black backpwack indicated they were terrorists, and that in Sri Lanka, babies are used by terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'breast feeding isn't a public activity (not even touching the terrorist angle there)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe with a little discretion'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was discrete'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again... not relating it to the terroist story'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a story about police stupidity and liberal propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just in general...  breast feeding is a private activity'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'breast feeding is no more a private activity as eating is'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'keep it under wraps'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't strip off to breastfeed, you know, you wouldn't know it was going on unless you were looming over their shoulder'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's "eating", and then there's "eating with your mouth wide open"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'eating - good..... eating with your mouth wideopen - bad'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're going to call the police because someone is eating with their mouth wide open?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were even outside'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... but security will come if you're walking thru a mall with your tit hanging out'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently the cops soon backed off when they determined the terrorist with explosive breast milk was a member of the Belgian diplomatic mission in the UN'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again... not relating it to the story... just saying in general.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'breast feeding is accepted everywhere here'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only in America has it been demonised'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'read into that what you will'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cover it up with something'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is, a baby'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'your story was from america'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so american rules apply'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no rules apply'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not illegal, it's purely a reaction caused by social malconditioning'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'social norms... there a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we generally frown on public nudity in the US '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't public nudity'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tit hanging out - nuditiy'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd see less than you would with a woman and a low cut top'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not too much to ask to cover it up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the problem here, do you just hate women? are you a racist or something?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'oh dear'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not racits... I think that all colors of tits should be kept discretely covered'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the are, so your argument falls at that point'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'by all means - feed the baby... but be discrete'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'breastfeeding is almost always discrete'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've never seen anyone breastfeeding in an indiscrete way'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think he's talking about the ones that are not discrete'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a woman riding the bus with both tits hanging out swapinging the baby from one to the other is not proper.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arrest cows for suckling their young!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damned terrorist cows!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... you just gave up the debate with that cow comment'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yep, cows are killed for that. That's why most cows end up on the dinner table.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'arrest the cows in saudi arabia! '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the couple asked and were allowed to go out onto a quiet terrace outside the main restaurant, they were being discrete'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the argument isn't about discretion, it's about ignorant twerps thinking breastfeeding is evil, and linked to terrorist activity'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'There can't be many in the world that associate breastfeeding with terrorism.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american left do, elf'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I seperated my issue from the terrorist story... I havn't even read the terrorist story... I'm just talking about breast feeding in general'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you've said that as long as it's discrete you don't mind'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what are you still arguing for?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I dunno'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best move onto other matters, then :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Conservative party in the UK are tearing themselves up - they are currently in a coalition with the Liberal Democrats, The Labour party have a 6% lead in the polls, and with current polling trends, UKIP will take sufficient votes off them to guarantee a majority Labour government at the next election'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the conservatives won't do a deal with UKIP and won't change their crap policies, so are literally digging their own grave'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'K - I just didn't wanna miss that part... it's my fav'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anti-government protests in Peru now'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Europe's green-energy schemes, pushed by dodgy science via the UN, are the favourite target for Italian mafia money laundering, a new report shows'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bond yields are going up, interest ratings going up, many many people are going to go bankrupt'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I only have one marker out... and it's locked at 2.75%'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK, public don't have money to invest in bonds, all their money is ripped from them by the government to pay out of chavs in welfare'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you wanted to buy a house... I think the boat is about to sail'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't remind me, i'm two years out from even affording the deposit, which means my chances of ever having somewhere to live are evaporating in the face of a laughing corrupt beurocrat'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking arseholes'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gas the lot of them'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe it will spark some panic buying'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'panic buying? my lovely government put in a loan guarantee scheme to get buyers buying NEW houses, further pumping up the bubble'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'speaking of US market'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two work in a similar way'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't even think you were allowed to own a home in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the trouble is UK housing market never 'collapsed''
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the prices remained catastrophically high after 2008, they basically remained static for a few years, so inflation was starting to gradually deflate it, but it was a really slow process'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now that has ended and stuff is flying up again'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thought everyone lived in dingy, crappy little tenant buildings'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone bar the ruling/corporate elite, and an ever-smaller portion of the upper middle class do'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are still people over the age of 50 who have homes that were bought when things were sensible who are hanging on to their homes, but taxes are making their life increasingly difficult'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or in sod huts in the highlands'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, people don't own homes in the UK, in the same way that people in the USA don't own homes'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"home ownership" is still a practical endatate in the US - quite common'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you own the home, not the land'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence you can be charged property taxes'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'The US has a LOT of rural space'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which Agenda 21 will prevent you building on'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in Germany.. if you want to build a house in a town, you will build it in "the place where houses are being built now"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't own your house unless you have an Allodial title to it'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is basically what i was saying'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good old Nazi Germany, they're well up on the whole planned economy thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like good little globalists'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in canada, it's not enough to BELIEVE you are in danger befor defending yourself... a court has to decide wether you were in ACTUAL danger or not'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the states... it varies widely from state to state... some states are like canada, but in other states, it's enough that you believe you are in danger... very hard to disprove what you believe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of like disproving 'lower back pain''
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you need to disprove lower back pain?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you have to prove you were in actual danger, if the level of proof was that high, then you have no right to defence'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"lower back pain".... goes like this:  "I can't work because I have lower back pain... I need disability and welfare"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '...and'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a scan'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as opposed to " I got my arm cut off in an industrial accident"... one can be substantiated, the other can not'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well that's sort of the point... you can scan all you want, and the scan will not say "lower back pain"... the scan can be perfectly normal, yet the individual can still CLAIM lower back pain'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only an issue in a system where welfare is a right'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or perceived as a right'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ergo... it is an issue in the US'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'very difficult form of fraud to prove'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't see why would you would be giving either just because of lower back pain'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT is the correlation between "I believed I was in danger"...  it is very difficult to objectively evaluate what someone 'believes''
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's the world of difference'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depending on situation'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if someone is defending themselves on their own property, the burden of proof should be very low'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it is.. in some states'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're a cop on the street, the burden of proof should be very high'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in others, you have to really convince a court that there was REAL danger... not just precieved danger'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the law needs to take context into consideration'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something it has a habit of failing to do'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather... the court has to prove that there was NOT real danger... still innocent until proven guilty... mostly'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the burden of proof is low, simpler to commit murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"hate" is another one that can be dicey... Many crimes in America now have a "Hate" modifier applied... if you beat someone, you get 5 years... if you beat someone with "hate", you get 10 years'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hate is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not in american courts, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hate is a democrat/left/fake liberal thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'agreed... but still al reality'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's used as a means of unfairly tipping the scale to push an agenda'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the burden of proof is low, some cops are more like likely to be trigger happy and do reckless homicide'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'often times, a difference in race between the two parties is enough "proof" to attach "hate" crime to the sentence.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not relevent and should be struck from the books'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'agreed.. .but it will not be struck any time soon'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not before the revolution, no'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'are you coming across the pond when the shooting starts?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said anything about shooting?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we'll set you up with a gun and a couple boxes of bullets'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll probably be a bit busy defending and feeding myself where i am'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts couch-potato seems to be advocating and suggesting "revolution" in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'naw... if it all goes to hell in the UK, you'll get shot right away... best to come here'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no more likely here than there'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe here you'll get a few shots off first'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also, there's more wide open places to get lost in here'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all you need is a change of government and a shake up of the way it works'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no need to go Mad Max'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'IF I were in charge of starting a revolution (not I said "IF", Zade), I'd much rather do it in the US than in England.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and what is the assurance that any new government is not going to be as incompetent and corrupt as the previous governments (to hear you guys debate so defectively, no assurance)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'over time you have to be vigilante, but it might buy you another couple of hundred years'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... none at all.  Just a roll of the dice.  That's why it'd have to be pretty bad to start one.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bad my arse, gets much worse than it is now you'll have nothing to lose'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the people lose it all, they lose it'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No guarantee it won't get worse, e.g. french or russian revolution'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't, but that's like refusing treatment for an illness just incase it doesn't help'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think so... I, and most everyone I know is living pretty well, and will continue to do so.  we have plenty of food.  gas is cheaper than anywhere in the wetern world, everyone has highspeed internet and cable/sat TV... two cars... life is pretty good'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you live a sheltered existance'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the sky is falling" yells Chicken Little'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's what happens when you live in a place that is using force to make other people sustain your lifestyle. Don't bet on it lasting forever.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I live the existence I have chosen... I worked hard, live within my means... pay my taxes...  I grumble, and everything isn't the way I WANT it, but life in the US is just grand.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what happens when it's not possible to leave within your means?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You were lucky to be in the minority to be born into prosperity (as was I).'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the end of the world is coming" says another doomsdayprophet'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said anything about the world?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will always live within my means.. I think you ment "what happens when my quality of life drops"... I don't see it dropping too much... I still have a pretty good buffer.  Also, at some point, welfare will colapse.  That won't take a revolution to fix'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if welfare collapses, your quality of life will drop like a stone'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the bond market collapses your quality of life will drop like a tone'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if youse did not debate so badly, there may be hope  (hahahahahaha)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i wouldn't worry, zade, plenty of analogue music in a post-collapse society'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd be more worried about how the US will manage post oil. Or post phosporous.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'one of three things will happen - freeloaders will riot and kill all the earners...  freeloaders will be forced to become earners....  or freeloaders will all starve to death.  I stand a better than even chance of not getting killed, so I'm doing pretty good'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chances are you'll be dead before it comes to a head'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of old age, or violence?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'age or illness'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'probobly'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my kids will haev to deal with it, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, that's why it's poor form to take an "i'm alright jack" attitude'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the kind of thing Zade does'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decently recorded analog music playback requires a lot of technology to produce'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when I say "i'm all right", I mean "me and mine"... I do everything I can to set my children up for success.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a post-apocalyptic word is no fun, i refuse o reincarnate there'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ultimately.. they'll have to make their own way...  but they will have the tools to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'll be dead in 30 years or so, and have no kids, so then I don't need to worry, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a post-apocalyptic world is no fun, i refuse to reincarnate there --'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'crap!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can still bitch, though... we don't mind'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can quite happily take to view of turning the whole place into a glass parking lot'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most of the real fun problems of the world will happen after I die. Like end of oil, global warming and end of modern farming (phosphor deposit ends).'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like to live longer just to see how we solve those problems.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oil. won't end anytime soon and will find other methods of creating it. global warming isn't a threat to civilisation, and end of modern farming? i'm sure they'll find other sources of phosphorus'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or the world population will adjust to match food output'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will because people are being poisoned'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'environmental pollution'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... there you go'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no problem'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Oil will end in 30 yeaers. Global warming denial is just silly. And I agree, we will find new (old) ways to produce food,.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl 30 years, it'll be 250 at least'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming doesn't pose a threat to human life'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, 30 years of current usage. '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'actually. all these oil and warming stuff is kinda weak problems. education is the worst one really. most of people are just starting to move out from stone age.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an unstopped comet plunging into the planet (because the technology was not discovered invented produced) (because you humans are too expletives deleted) ..'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You may believe what you want about global warming. Fortunately science isn't decided by the debate channel.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'science also isn't decided by the scientists'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I'd be more worried about a plague'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'My View:  Global warming is happening - and has happened many times prior to the advent of humantiy'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Real science is. Not he stuff used by politicians or published in newspapers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'But has it happened to this scale?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'man-produced global warming is adding to the natural global warming'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be more worried about antibiotic resistent bugs caused by an addiction to antibiotics, bugkiller-resistant pests caused by our dependancy on poison and GMO'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure. Last time was 100 million years ago. No humans or other mammals.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... there's fossil records of palm trees in the arctic'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Palm trees in the artic? Sounds awesome'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't forget continental drift :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might be if you're in the arctic... I woulnd't want to be near the equator, thoguh'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nah. the devil put these there to confuse us.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Global weather isn't driven by Al Gore's corrupt business plans, it's driven by solar conditions'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'always a popular notion'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Oh i wouldn't worry, i plan on moving to Ontario anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's a common misconception by global warming deniers, TN, unfortunately, the science doesn't back it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really, Ranrr? Take away the sun and see what the weather does'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'man-produced CO2 production is slightly acidifying the Oceans and causing oceanic devastion of important life-forms (oxygen regeneration) -- can't blame that man-produced CO2 acidification on natural global warming'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Eh... I thinks you need a course in systems thinking if you think a single variable decides how a system acts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't that what you're doing, Ranrr?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's all CO2 fanatics are doing'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'man made CO2 drives climate change!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'debaste if you believe a single poison can't kill you, you are mistaken'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Some do. Not the real scientists.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it was an issue, people would be going hell for leather preserving the vegetation we have, growing as many new forests as possible, especially rain forests, converting desert and scrub to productive scrubbers, and exchanging fossil fuel power generation out for non-Co2 emitting solutions. Since none of those things are actually happening, it clearly is a fraud'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of those were ever tabled'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that seems sort of a circular argument'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You assume people act rationally, with a long term view.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'since people aren't doing stuff, it's a fraud and therefore we shouldn't do stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not circular at all, majic, since there is no return on the power cycle'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I believe you think global warming is a fraud, because it's inconvenient to change your lifestyle.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the man-produced extra global warming (added to natural global warming) is heating up the Oceans slightly, and that also is causing some Oceanic devastation'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... what does that have to do with the circularity of your current argument?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And I agree, it is inconvenient.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite happy to change my lifestyle, Ranrr, but since the laws and changes put into effect for the purposes of averting global warming... actually make global warming worse, tell me exactly what it is i'm supposed to be doing?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is two factors: Oceanic acidification and Oceanic warming'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the polar regions are melting at a slightly faster rate -- that is going to translate into coastal submerging and or devastation somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"cash for clunkers" is a perfect example of the artificial and profitable nature of "political support for global warming".... "trade in your gas-guzzling clunker car for a shiny new energy efficient car, and the govenment will give you $5,000 towards your new car!".... the realitiy is that the carbon impact that the panet takes for making one of those new cars FAR outstrips the carbon impact of the clunker going down the road for another 10 years... it was all about stimulating the economy, but cleverly hidden is a nice green package.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here, your coal power station is producing too much CO2, well that's fine, we can fix that by bankrupting the coal power plants, making people unemployed, and instead importing the energy from another country where it is produced using coal power, because it's SOMEONE ELSE'S CO2, that doesn't count, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, vonliege, that's a good example'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What's that, nuclear reactors? Nah, those are horrible. Let's build some Coal plants instead.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or 'throw away all the lightbulbs and replace them with mercury ones''
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cutting down of the rain forests is not assisting Oxygen regeneration either'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wish I knew what to do. Not denying science would be a start. But I agree that politicians are stupid and make the wrong decisions.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, cash for clunkers was a fucking moronic idea.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I use public transport instead of having my own car :D'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I wouldn't say they're stupid, just greedy and corrupt'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, public transport is not available in a lot of places, especially in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I wish I lived in a city where that was reasonable, Ranrr.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'or at least in a section of the city where that was reasonable.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'it's true, it's only seen in large cities'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the nuclear accidents and the deployment of depleted uranium (to contaminate local areas) is already causing increased birth defects '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deal with co2 from government and industry first, only then come after the people'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I'm in a city of over a million. Spread out over a metric buttload of square units.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, how can we reduce co2 from government? how about not flying all these military aircraft everywhere bombing brown people?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Ironically, Zade, if we had a central repository far away from where people live (like, say, Yucca mountain), we'd have less issues.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But they are terrorists, TN!! :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their goats especially, ranrr'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'm in a city of 20k, but we don't even have a greyhound station -- the nearest train station is 20 miles away. So if you don't have a car, well, you're never leaving town except when you catch a ride or if you're a good biker.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'they're only terrorists when we don't back them lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when you buy a new car from Japan, check for radioactivity -- at least 1% of cars from Japan are radioactive (says the Lemon-Aid book)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Probably not significantly more radioactive than a banana.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'It's the same here, Majic'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'And definitely well under the RDA of ionizing radiation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the type of radiation and where it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Well, if it's alpha, you don't have to worry about it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'anything else, you still check HOW MUCH radiation there is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'last i heard Japan is still dealing with radiation from the Fukushima incident'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because, protip. Everything is radioactive.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Including you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yeah Morinon, you ride in those radioative cars before procreating, what's a little extra radiation'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Depends on the actual rate, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Because I go by actual education, not fearmongering.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'What's the daily radiation you're going to get from it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the scientific evidence is this: Smoking does not cause any harm to health'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'If you can show correlation between driving a japanese car and a birth defect, I might take notice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Morinon, tell that to those parents that spawned those extra birth-defective children'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Really? Citation please.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'google'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No. You came up with the evidence, it is upon you to produce it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen plenty of evidence of birth defects as a result of DU ammo expended by the US in Iraq, also seen plenty of evidence of toxic levels of radiation in fish in the aftermath of Japan's earthquake, not heard anything about cars'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: '^'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, correlation does not imply causation'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'No, it doesn't, Ranrr.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'But it does suggest you look more closely.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'There's always going to be some level of birth defects, and when it's your kid that comes out with the birth defect, it's very easy to start trying to blame everything and anything around you instead of random acts of probability.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Or than the fact that you didn't have kids until your late 30s, a high risk factor for birth defects.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/30/faulluja-birth-defects-iraq'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I'm pretty sure Majic is responding to this 'Japanese car' scare.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DU ammo was banned in 1940s for a reason'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but it's still random as to which upper-thirties will be having them'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'quite true.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, I'm responding to xyliz, not you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$1.5bn in US feorign aid for Egypt next year must now be cancelled under Section 508 of the Foreign Assistance Act and the 2011 omnibu bill that excludes aid from  any nation experiencing a coup d'etat'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically then they should not be aiding Libya'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Technically the NSA should not be grabbing everyone's emails (4th amendment)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically they shouldn't have been running federal and state car checkpoints over the 4th july'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The Associated Press estimates that about 1 percent of new Japanese cars shipped into South America are radioactive" (2013 Lemon-Aid p157)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Link plox?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'given this: http://www.sfgate.com/world/article/Japan-radiation-tiny-rise-in-cancer-risk-4319144.php'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'I'm inclined to dismiss your claims unless you can provide stronger evidence.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Mori - you forget - debate isn't about citing sources.  It's about claiming anything!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'http://answers.edmunds.com/question-Is-there-any-reason-for-concern-about-radioactivity-in-Japanese-cars-I-m-specifically-interested-in-Infiniti-133111.aspx'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Xaeris: I'm bringing actual debate back, instead of yelling contests.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or you can go the other direction...he didn't specify HOW radioactive or what kind of radiation...it's more likely that all cars are radioactive regardless of origin'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"There are many auto-suppliers on Fukushima's doorstep that distribute parts world-wide, including the Detroit Three." (2013 Lemon-Aid p157)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cartoon advert: "Yessir, the car is HOT and it Glows in the dark." (License plate "FU---KU")'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lemon-aid is widely known for bias against certain vehicle manufacturers and off-topic rants'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'It's evidently not really known for anything approaching scientific rigour.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, it's one guy's 'how to buy a used car' guide'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'Zade, unless those auto-parts were built inside the goddamned reactor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'They're not significantly dangerous.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dread Lord Morinon: 'To you or those poor things you consider zygotes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/metro-rips-out-phantom-planters-flowers-at-dupont-circle-station/2013/07/06/4220cef4-e5ce-11e2-80eb-3145e2994a55_story.html'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'heh. nsa recruitment or smthing: https://soundcloud.com/madiha-1/students-question-the-nsa-at'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a good sound clip'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only that, some of the evasive answers from the NSA spokespeople are laughable'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"we are not political" who the fuck are they trying to kid?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hollywood was placed under martial law with the discovery of a third bomb. Fortunately it turned out to be "Lone Ranger", another crap movie'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like World War Z is going to make the UN, woops I mean Paramount a whopping loss'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're not looking forward to the sequel, are you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't watch it in the first palce'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want to watch a movie without the propaganda sticking in my throat'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least we know how to utterly defeat the zombie apocalypse.  Just pull everyone's teeth so they can't bite you, like North Korea did.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm seeing an awful lot of these going on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-WMn_zHCVo&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american banks are whinging about the federal tax breaks credit unions get'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish we had credit unions over here, mortgages might be a bit more affordable'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't the trayvon martin case ended already?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not even close... then there will be appeals (inbetween riots) and more trials... then it will all get topped off with a wrongdul death civil suit'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at least a year to go'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe more'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they need to get over it, not gun death is murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not every*'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is my personal opinion that it should have never gotten past the "stand your ground" aspect... but it had a LOT of visibility, and I didn't have all the information that the judge did.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I suspect very poor judgement on Zimmermans end. But I'm not seeing a 2nd degree murder at all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it did, black person down and the perpetrator was not a cop, so instantly it's high profile'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now... I fear that since the courts have become political extensions, he will be found guilty on principal, rather than justice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know how the media likes to make any crime against a black person by a white person a racist hate crime'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or perhaps he will be found guilty simply to forstall the riots'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm surprised they haven't highlighted zimmerman's membership of far right neonazi groups, or linked him to patriot movements'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he has been linked to rightwing politics, if not extremist right wing action groups'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh well, clearly he must be a guilty racist murderer then'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but there wasn't enough to make hay with'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better put his whole family in jail just incase'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think he will be found begrudginly innocent, with enough malice to maybe not have riots'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BBL'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't, they'll throw the book at him in exactly the same way UK courts threw the book at Tony Martin here'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman is also guilty of a hate crime'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which type of hate is that? hate of marmite?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a hate of black people nicking his stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen both defender and victim here, the human race is not making a great loss in either case as far i can see, so it's really the principle that is being argued'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you obviously looked at the victim though racist goggles'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't wear goggles, i already wear glasses'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i think the media took care of that part when trying to describe a hispanic as a white dude..'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, nods'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are the stand your ground rules in florida?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(presume this is florida it's happening, right?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman is guilty of first (and or second) degree murder (and the hate crime)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are drawing conclusions that are not implied by the facts'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'lol, troll'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the hate was premeditated, the murder was premeditated'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had you been in court, you'd now be done for perjury'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prove hate existed, prove the murder was premeditated'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the facts are  Zimmerman went hunting with a gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'did he have his war paint on and do a tribal dance too?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, conclusions with no basis in fact. Zimmerman was armed, where is the evidence he was going hunting?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'AcidAngel, are you attempting to inbsult the Amerindians'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, i am just adding on to your hypothesis, i think your on to something.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are armed and looking for trouble, you are hunting for trouble'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so your telepathy is pretty good?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'playing on words isn't a suitable means for determining guilt'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some misfits deserve to be euthanised, especially when they commit murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i was american and heard/saw someone creeping around my property, i'd certainly go take a look armed. Similarly if i were part of a neighbourhood watch, or other local posse, i would go armed'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't mean i'm going hunting'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you walk around armed and act like an arsehole get into a fight and kill somebody, that is murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what it'll boil down to is if Mr Zimmerman was acting in self defence, in which case it boils down to the particular statute in Florida, upon which he will either be acquitted, or the anulled, or, more likely given the jury and the media, a miscarriage of justice will occur setting a really fucked up precedent for any other people trying to defend their property'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see? you're being racist again, he's a white guy (well hispanic) therefore he must be an arsehole'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless a cop, but then cops are legalised '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops have no powers that other people don't have'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman was using the laws of florida to commit premeditated murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does one use the laws of florida to commit premeditated murder?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'and the essance of a gated community is your basis for the premediation?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman was and is a racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proof?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'he's not sufficiently black!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'FIND THAT MAN SOME BOOT POLISH!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman murdered a n*****'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the plus side, Abu Qatada got deported back to Jordan today. Good riddance, only cost $2.5m + all the welfare he claimed in the 10odd years he was here'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if nothing else, the case was a good advertisement for not having courts with tv camera in'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'anyone up for a debate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i propose a topic: tv series/movies that are worth watching 1 time only. why would you pay if you know you migh get crap for your money?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '.. and time'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most movies are not worth watching twice'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so true but so many movies are worth watching that one only time too'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the trick is you don't have a clue'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a movie i watched recently (on dvd): "Dead Like Me: life after death" -- several defects to the plot, but i liked the tvseries and Ellen Muth looks okay while young (she is likely going to look like an ogre when older)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Did you have a point to make in that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was worth the $5.65 i paid for the dvd'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'last b-movie surprise was The Signal. i liked it so much but there is no common "propertiy" that could have helped me find it.. it was just random fing'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'find*'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Witch Slayer Gretl" was somewhat annoying to watch (the premise was kill any witches as they were obviously evil) but starred Paul McGillion and Shannon Doherty'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'saved by the bell:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Witch Slayer Gretl" though was 40% entertaining to watch, so the $9.03 spent on the DVD was passable'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'did you buy it before seeing it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'District 9 was an amusing comedy'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i never buy anything that is not worth watching some more..'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'district 9 was like unreal tournament 3:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yes, i search the discount DVD movie bins for unseen movies that may be interesting'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i search the bins to find those old movies i liked'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Push" was 70% to 80% entertaining'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'push was not too bad yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Inception" was 85%'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i wish there was a "legendary" bin in every dvd store. discounted to 10% and just sits there. the stores only focus on new junk'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but good movies STAY good for eternety'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Good Luck Chuck" may've been better if less corny and a prettier more white actress was in the lead (Jessica Alba was passable) (but i preferlikwe romance movie to feature eyecandy i like)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(the three breasted female was a corny eyesore)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'tri-titty was in GLC?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'best romance movie ever is P.S. I Love You'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was like Avatar of chick flicks, I think'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Butterfly Effect 2 was not worth watching -- the whole "Butterfly Effect" series is written to end each movie with a tragic failure -- (the authors are not talented)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Our Idiot Brother"  was okay as a partial (almost)-romance comedy, since Paul Rudd wore a beard, and did not look his usual eyesore face'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Veronica Mars season 2 (boxed set, 6 dvds, $11.30 incl tax) was excellent to watch -- the filming and production were great - sad they cancelled the series after season 3'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'recenty passed on buying "Wanted" staring some lead male and Angelina Jolie, (simply because aging Morgan Freeman was portrayed a leader of the assassin Fraternity)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'geriatric assassins - uunbelievable'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Wanted was a good kung pow type of movie.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I want to bang bang bang Veronica Mars'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yet to watch "Hardboiled" (starring Chun Yun-Fat, Tony Leung)  and "The Killer" (Chun Yun-Fat) -- both are John Woo films '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Woo wasn't the one to do that blind-monk-kicks-ass movie, was he?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'paid $11.99 for the two packaged-together John Woo DVDs '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zatoichi the blind swordsman -- there were two different actors playing the lead part'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'that was a superb movie!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's usually the case with stunt doubles, Zade :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the more popular Zatoichi (not the skinny actor) featured in a string of Zatoichi movies'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the skinny older Zatoichi movie was not as likeable'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'now that DiCaprio and Diaz are middle-aged, they should do a sequel to Gangs of New York.  Gangs of San Fransisco.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the two Zatoichi were not stunt doubles to each other'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, past-present-fture type of deal?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'DiCaprio likely learned that "Less is More"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'different versions, different series, different starts (Zatoichi)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'more different than "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" the movie (ycch) and "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: the tvseries (yaye!)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'firefly!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I got a glimpse of the movie again.  Good GOD is that woman butt-ugly!'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what woman?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Buffy'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Firefly" was a horrid tvseries -- "Serenity" the movie was okay (except for that unbelievable arshole n*****)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/4700000/Sarah-Michelle-Gellar-sarah-michelle-gellar-4734610-1600-1200.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sarah wasn't in the movie.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe Zimmerman watched "Serenity" before going hunting'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nope. firefly was quite smart'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Krisiu Swanson was in the Buffy movie -- was miscast - no cxharisma, and Sutherland was ycch (ruined by the script)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Kristi Swanson was in the Buffy movie -- was miscast - no charisma, and Donald Sutherland was ycch (what he did etcetera was from  a bad script)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'You should go start a movie/tv review blog and stop clogging up debate, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sarah Michelle Geller was likable throughout the whole Buffy tvseries (stayed slim during, didn't get fat)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that would be Contraband'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe they should make a Contra movie, actually'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Psyche staring Roday was ruined in the second and third seasons by Roday becoming an overweight eyesore'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was Roday the guy who "drank too much coffee"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Roday played the lead fake psychic in "Psych"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The Help was a awesome movie, by the way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'especially the part about 2-serving Hillie'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'passed up the opportunity to purchase the second and third season sets of "Psych" merely because Roday was no longer as slim as in season one'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think they make Psych look homosexual sometimes. It's just random and I don't get why they think that will make the show more edgy. '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I am talking about black psych specifically and not white psych'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Roday (0and the sidekick) both play heterosexuals'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the sidekick gay ?!?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because peter-eaters are the new it factor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the sidekick is homosexual, another reason to not purchase the dvd boxed sets of "Psych"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how did you come to the idea he was a homosexual?'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who... Liberace?  he was openly gay'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'except when in court'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he enspired Elton John "to be who he was"'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Liberace was a lying purjurer crook '
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in some episode of the Psych tvseries, Roday and the sidekick were competing for the attention of some female -- but the sidekick is meticulous - unsure whether the scriptwriters later forced somebody out of the closet (thay'd ruin the series fast)'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that might just mean that he had a strict up-bringing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, depends where your trading account is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only thing odd is that the supply is essentially unlimited.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how strange.  Bank of America was formerly known as Bank of Italy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'BofA is owned by the Catholic Church.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'anyone who lives in LA knows that :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I AGREE'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'WYVEREX WINS'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege cheers!
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you can't agree, this is debate!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I DISAGREE'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wyverex: 'I WIN AGAIN'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Someone is WRONG on the internet!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can't be wrong on the internet... just out-shouted =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'xkcd/com/386'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in europe, they've been using pre-birth tests to trigger abortions for years'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not terribly objective on the topic... my first son was to be born in Italy... the first round of test indicated spinal bifida and hydroencephalitis... there was no consult or debate... they just scheduled the abortion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for me personally, although I wouldn't have an abortion in those circumstances (barring a defect which is actually inimical to life) I think the *option* -- and yes option -- OPTION -- should be there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'surprising, that close to Rome/Vatican'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in my case - and yes... this is andcdotal... my son was born perfectly normal... NOT in Italy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the positive for hydroencephalitis was simply an off the chart big head (which at 16, he has grown into perfectly well)... the spinal bifida was a false positive'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'things like spina bifida, which are believed to be a combination of genetic risk factor + environmental causes, are much more difficult to detect'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'things which are solely genetic are much easier'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what I found scary was that there wasn't even any discussion, or re-testing... it was off to the abortion mill.  no questions asked or answered'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'by all accounts, he was folowing proceedure.  Could have easily have been a mechanical failure.  We'll know eventually'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rick Perry to stand down at next election, gooooood'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and http://bigstory.ap.org/article/zimmerman-trial-defense-continue-its-case'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and more sign of the hypocritical anti-white agenda being imposed by government: http://www.wral.com/-white-history-sign-could-prompt-changes-in-hope-mills-parades/12631506/'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i read that trash earlier and just lol'ed'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/07/u-s-embassy-official-in-guyana-removed-in-alleged-sex-for-visas-swindle/#ixzz2YTK5ExiL'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/15923-missouri-governor-vetoes-bill-nullifying-federal-gun-grab'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's home missouri's legislature resends it and kicks his arse out'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did that story about the visa's surprise you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'nope, i thought it was hilarious.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'predictable, you could say'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'it is hillaries old department.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't blame Hilary for being head of incompetent departments, it's not like she was ever fired from her position on the Nixon impeachment case and refused a reference or anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Sure i can blame her, just like everything is Bushes fault.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, you're expecting competence from people in charge? well you might just have to get rid of democracy to achieve that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the people in charge are very competant.  They know what to do in order to keep themselves there while the muppets continually believe the crap that is spoon fed to them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'democracy permits the changing of the incompetents'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's where you're wrong, Nazi-league member and noted paedophile, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'I tend to agree wit him Tiger,  people that are voted are the same dumb masses.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if in a democracy, 51% of people voted to wipe out the other 49%, that's what would happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is why we are not a democracy, we are a rep republic'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you -were- a republic'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'we -were- a jeffersonian'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're now some kind of quasi-fascist quasi-communist oligarchy'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are more likely to seem the Nazi, Tigeernuts, and don't project your paedophilia on others, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'fasc and comm are one in the same, just different spectrums of ideology, but the core is the same.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the matter, Zade? You seemed perfectly happy to defame people you don't know with no proof yesterday, why can't we do the same to you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence they can co-exist within the same setup'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you admit you are a vile liar today, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'well given they are fundamental the same, of course they can'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if you want to challenge what i said yesterdsay, bring up a quote and re-discuss'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who was the lad from Singapore who used to come on here waxing lyrical?  http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/08/net-us-singapore-internet-idUSBRE9660JP20130708'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's been fully discussed, zade, and your argument was found to be full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '101,000,000 americans now receive food stamps, more than the number of private sector workers'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that crashing sound is the see-saw tilting the sustainability of the US economy into oblivion'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'been going since '08'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that you are resorting to vile namecalling, Tigernuts, instead of rediscussing the topic, indicates that the topic was "not fully discussed", and that you were losing that debate topic (else you'd rediscussing the topic today, but are unable without further losing that debate)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're sounding like a scratched analogue record, Zade, move along'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems you Tigernuts can't debate topics without resorting to slurs and ad hominems against those debating -- (the slurs of "scratched record" indicating you are also losing the separate "analog versus digital" debate)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Zade, you lost. deal with it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything to say on the topics so far brought up?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong AcidAngel, and lying is not becoming    '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or should i go getch some wood?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fetch*'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Truth hurts don't zade, your don't determine who wins and looses, your peers do. And since i read both your arguments yesterday, your argument was weak and invalid and had nothing to do with the context of the discussion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, one of the deaths on the crashed 777 boeing was caused by an emergency vehicle running him over. classic'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'truth seems to hurt you more since you are resorting to lies'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'how can an opinion be a lie?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'lies?  So now your saying i didn't watch you two bicker yesterday?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'lol. zade, go find a rock and troll under'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'lol if it is wrong rand :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was that runway death manslaughter or a joykill murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'an opinion is a statement of belief and isn't a statement of fact '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can be statement of taste, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or personal preference, if you will'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'David Lee Roth is better than Sammy Hagar in Van Halen.  Fact.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel raises an eyebrow at Code Name: Cambodia's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, and also wrong'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'also an opinion'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well I would consider it a fact'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but that is an opinion'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you heard him of late?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'and thats your belief ergo stating that would be an opinion'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'polygraph the emergency-vehicle driver -- ask whether the driver used the emergency as a deliberate pretext to run somebody over'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'david lee roth?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you had, your opinion might have to be altered to say "in their heyday"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Sammy Hagar is awesome in his other projects, haven't heard Diamond Dave recently'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I will grant that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and thus concensus was achieved'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia shakes Tigernuts's hand.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts bows deeply.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's how it's done folks!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Dragon RandAlthor falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here you go, have a chuckle:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0he0cqHH20&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'is that David Lee Roth sucking it up in the modern day?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, short reality vid'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'highlights what kind of level of trouble we're all in'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it's simple'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'We have the power of the Internet, to make a virtual world that is whatever we want it to be'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and the most popular game is World of Warcraft'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's humanity for ya.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for those too lazy, it's Mark Dice get people to sign a petition oto "support Obama repealing the bill of rights, taking things further than the Patriot Act, replacing it with new NDAA-type legislation"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I saw a video where a retired Canadian official admitted that the government knew about extraterrestrial beings'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be true :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'can you imagine what it must be like to walk around day by day with those kind of secrets in you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'http://bigstory.ap.org/article/zimmerman-trial-defense-continue-its-case'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's more likely is he knows that the canadian government had heavily redacted files on UFO's, which isn't quite the same thing, but wouldn't stop a newspaper twisting headline, or a government worker getting the wrong end of the stick'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'connections horrible but that seems to be on par with getting people to sign petitions to ban water/oxygen/nitrogen/carbon i'm more interested in the percentages (walk aways + refusals/signed) then the fact people would sing it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Dragon RandAlthor: 'sign*'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen interviews with mark dice, though you can argue legitimately that it's a biased sample due to where and when he runs these, but the rate is usually 80%+'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'who really cares 1 way or another?  if there is ET? so what?  if there is not? so what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd be worried if the rate was 20%'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well I'd like to meet ET'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'What if ET is a total dick?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'then destroy his ship and make him leave here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grr.. leave = live'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'tell him that we're all dicks here on planet earth'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what people would do even if he were not a dick'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sheeple are dicks'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'opinion: nobody should ever be having to pay more than 36% of their income in tax, across ALL taxes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Cambodia: there are tv-program where important officials admit that Jesus Christ actually exists -- "can you imagine what it must be like to walk around day by day with those kind of beliefs in you"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and some may say that obviously  "Jesus Christ" is more powerful than UFOs'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people can admit Jesus Christ exists all day long, the only time it becomes a problem is when they use their belief to justify taking violating my rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Jesus would never be down with that, anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well exactly, that's why wahabists are so dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this story had quite the cyberpunk feel to it: http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/07/cameras_catch_mystery_break_in_at_whistleblowers_law_firm'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good old fashioned back-to-front collectivist propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I despise the term "whistleblower".'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? it's a good phrase'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.ted.com/talks/alex_laskey_how_behavioral_science_can_lower_your_energy_bill.html'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'paint the walls orange?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's a demeaning label. It makes it sound as if the person outing a crime or other immoral act is at fault, not the perpetrator. "whistleblower" == "rat"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not by accident, and it wasn't always that way. It's the government and media that has allowed that to happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people start valuing their whistleblowers and take action on their findings, you'll come to revere them'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you use a demeaning term to address someone, you'll never come to revere them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you need to change your head first'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think whistleblower is a demeaning term, and i think badly of those news outlets and politicians that diss Manning or Snowden'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'words have power, it would be hard believing that Jesus was "the son of god" if you addressed him as "asshole".'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... you can't apply any of this theory to an indivdual... what everyone here is taking about has to be applied to a POPULATION.  So now we're back to relying on the media... or arial spraying.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and yet he still would be'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, he would be, nontheless, he would not be "revered".'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then call them something else'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"champions of light"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point I was making, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"champions of the constitutioN"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '"revealer of truth" would work.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a fair point, anaristos, but at what point do we have to pander to the results of malicious social conditioning on some people's interpretation of language?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i rely on people like you to step above what you know very well to be conditioning'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how we speak shapes the way we think, the are interconnected.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't deny that, it's part of how conditioning works'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Jesus would just redefine the meaning of the word asshole, anyways, if you tried to denigrate him in that fashion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe, but that would be beside the point, Cambodia.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'maybe, but that would be beside the point, Cambodia.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oops, sorry :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'since language and thought are connected, we have an explanation why the outers of the truth are called whistleblowers. They want the people at large to fill antagonism toward that set of people.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they, the labelers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'actions speak louder than words, my friend :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'though I don't deny your point that language can have power.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so no amount of enlightenment is going to change how  people feel unless you change the label.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the majority of people are not going to analyse the semantics.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they do not have to'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you just defy the label and soon the word will not affect you'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that takes inner power though'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one man's terrorist is the next man's freedom fighter'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Code Name: Cambodia person again...
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that is a skill you can pass onto others'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a bad language and the bad misuse of language are what permits and fuels corruption'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'my point is that if we were to take survey, we would find that the majority of people would have a distaste for those who out the truth, simply because of the label.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'to be beautiful in yourself, when the world thinks you are ugly, is a powerful thing, but is very hard to defy reality in that way'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no, point taken, for sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you want to just leave it at "the truth", or do you want to break it down based on the degree of importance associated with a particular truth?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it matter?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when slander, libel, slurs, ad hominems, sloppy bad language, illiteracy, are common, corruption flourishes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you discredit the messenger, then the message is also discredited.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it matters.  Folk will tolerate far less stuff they perceive to have wasted their time, whereas if a particular revelation directly impacts them then they are grateful to have been made known about it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's how people think.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how people have been TRAINED to think, Anaristos, it wasn't always so'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a very good, short book about it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'granted, which makes my point more emphatic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: the more language illiterate USAmericans become, the more the corruption shall become more blatant'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Propoganda - by Edward Bernays"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when Zade speaks, corruption flourishes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he's just seen too much TV about the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bernays was quite accurate in his book, but told one out-right and blatant lie - he claimed that propoganda is only used to purposes for the good of the public'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'besides, wasn't...Sapir-Whorf, is it?...the one that Orwell relied on to make 1984's Newspeak so potently oppressive, wasn't that hypothesis disproved?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Hanslanda mrant to say "when Hanslanda speaks, corruption flourishes." -- unsure whether modesty or hope was involved'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the object exists before the word in people's minds, ultimately language is a label and not reality, not even in the mind...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a rose by any other name still smells as sweet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets not drift into philosophy'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'like we haven't already?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, propaganda isn't philosophy'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'debating is all about philosophy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when mudslinging is the norn, whistleblowers are less likely to be heard amidst the cacophany of false accusatiuons'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though often includes elements of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and after the whistleblower speaks, the guilty sling more lies (agsainst the whistleblower)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let's look at the case in point. The people have been told that the NSA is engaged in domestic spying. The reaction of the media has been: let's go after the "whistleblower" and let's ignore the attack on civil liberties.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ask yourself why that is, Anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'because the end justifies the means.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'aside from the media being controlled?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can be answered by seeing which media ignores the attack and which does not'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts THWAPS Acidangel for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can basically divide it into 3'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'my answer is correct :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have the constitutionalists, libertarians, and 'nice' people saying he's a hero and a whistleblower, pointing out the gross violation of civil liberties'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'anti-big government would be an easier description.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the opposite side, you have the authoritarians who have a vested interest in consolidating as much power as possible to further their financial wealth and dominion'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the public has long held a certain mistrust of the government, with a deeper emphasis on the secretive sections of it.  That the NSA was spying on us, in essence, is nothing new from the perspective of the public and so ratting them out is more of a waste of time for us rather than an OMG! moment.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and everyone in the middle just goes along with party lines'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'thank you Hans'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you believe the response from government and mainstream media reflects the opinion of the people in this matter?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'is that a joke?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the people are not speaking, so it doesn't matter.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said they aren't? we are, aren't we?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not really.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's had widespread coverage on non-news shows on media, people talking about it on forums, comedians making jokes about it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the legislators, as representatives of the people, are not speaking.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, why are the legislators not speaking?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i already gave the answer'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the same people that do inside trading?  yea, i could see why they wouldn't want to talk abou tit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because they want things as they are, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'top down? thought the left hated "top down"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consolidation of control, propogate the government machine along'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we largely don't care that the NSA was spying on us.  We care about having that knowledge make our personal worlds more dangerous, because Americans traditionally can't handle death and violence.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberal left might have done, acidangel, but there are no liberal left... left'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't even know what that means, Hans'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'ummm...most people who aren't military have a hard time with death and violence'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most military have a hard time with death and violence when they find out it has nothing to do with the oath they swore to'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as a case in point, our world "ended" when a very small village was wiped out in one blow.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the starting point is to change legislators, no?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well...what is your ending point exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I don't know...where is changing legislators supposed to end?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the legislators are being told that such violations are a necessary evil (and that because they are already rich, they need not fear the increased theft resulting from those in agancies criminally misusing that information for personal gain at the deteriment of those surveiled)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a legislator that represents the people, not their respective parties and vested interests'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'a legislator is supposed to be the intermediary between what the people want and what is possible in the government'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a legislatory system that mirrors what was envisioned at the outset'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing you should demand of your legislators is an end to the state of emergency'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there's a state of emergency?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, if those doing the spying are in the same ethnic or business or political group as the politicians, any criminality done by the spying agencies benefits their group as a whole'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I didn't know, I don't really let the news affect my thinking too much'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, there isn't.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's been on for years, Hanslanda.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I was having a good day today, and now you say there is an emergency?  LOL'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since 1950, if you want to know why it's a big deal, go look up what a state of emergency allows federal government to do which it's not allowed under the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US has been in state of emergency since 9/11/2001.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well before then, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, this is the currently official date.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has to be renewed every 2 years'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Obama has renewed it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the representative democracy that we have in the US was the bomb in it's day... how about, since we live in a nation where even buck-ass-poor people have high speed internet, we ditch the middle man and go right to an absolute democracy... EVERYTHING is a referendum - The president is sitting with a foreign leader and has to make a decision... instant referendum via his smart phone... wait... wouldn't work... the general population is plain flat-out stupid.  can't trust them with democracy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'democracy is overrated for that reason. the majority of people are too dumb to rule a country.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the general population will ALWAYS push the button that gets 'em a free chicken... regardless of the consequence.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, calling the US system of government a democracy is a misnomer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'republic is more accurate'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or representative democracy'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US is a republic, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'representative republic'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only Obama supporters would try to call it a democracy'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because that's what they would want it to be'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and in republic the landowners govern. In the US the landowners are the states.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some combination of 'democracy', 'republic' and 'representative''
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'North Korea is democratic, if you need to figure out what a democracy is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are choices made by the people,  but they don't enact.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the unethical dirty tricks on this debate is evidence that internet voting democracy is unlikely to work -- some of the crazies speak in volumes every day whois Zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm pretty sure it counts as a democracy if the electorate has the possibility of kicking the rascals out in a few years'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the state does not own all land. private land owernship is very real.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, it's just a modified monarchy, Tinda. A king for life or a king for 4 years is still a king.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and at least in theory, it is possible to put decent people in'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the state owns the vast majority of land, in the UK, the crown owns ALL the land'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps at SnailBot Anaristos!
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Crown stole the land in the years following the Norman invasion of 1066'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the president wasn't supposed to have quite as much power as the office currently controls, that is true'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos beams a smile at Tinada.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'hey it's our tin hat antidote come to the rescue!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'tinfoil hat I mean'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but the executive branch has usurped much power.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'in any case, the real weapon here is paranoia'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then again, if you go back to a random constitution, it generally doesn't expect state power to be as pervasive as it is in any country'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when you allow your government to tear up the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might want to do something about that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'executive orders and NSAMs are loopholes in the constitution backed by the USSC.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I'll sneak into the Smithsonian with a roll of Scotch tape'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and which constitution (other than the US) foresaw the problems with money and central banks and all that stuff?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I'm going to need someone to run interference, and a good hacker to disable the security system'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the US constitution foresaw it, but you'd already trodden on it by then'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US had the advantage of hindsight, Tinada.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got a link to a useful lecture series about the gradual erosion of the constitution if you need'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also a good primer on the constitution and bill of rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The writers were surely aware of episodes of serious inflation, most recently during the independence war, but more than that I think they understood how much power you get by controlling money, and did not intend the government to do that, hence the restriction to minting coin from valuable metals etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that became impractical though'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, actually they intended ONLY the government to do that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've had at least two economic depressions stemming from precious-metal backing systems.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which was why the 1913 act that allowed the federal reserve to come into being was the start of the end'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'They intended money to be in the form of precious metals, and nothing else, I believe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, Tinada'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'which became impractical'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that way the government would not have any real control over money'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or notes issued there-on'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not impractical, Cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if it were more practical than what we do now, which is print it based on a promise, then we'd be doing it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'there are certainly impractical aspects of commodity type money'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bankers aren't interested in what is practical, or what is right'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'our government is based on practicality'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, you've lost me now'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'actually, they are interested in what is practical, and not so much on what is right'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that is the problem'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not interested in EITHER'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and historically the #1 impractical feature is that you can't print gold to finance wars, so being able to print paper money allows you to field a more powerful military without having to tax people directly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're interested in two things: Cementing control within their faction, and furthering their factions power and wealth base'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'ethylene glycol as a sweetener in Chinese toothpaste and mouthwash, that is practical'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ANY benefit to the public is secondary'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'people being, by and large, stupid, this sort of thing worked again and again where taxes would have led to rebellion, smaller scale wars, or, heaven forbid, peace.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we put propylene glycol in our water...how is ethylene glycol any different?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go learn about the constitution: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAu2-ycDOaN31dR1n5E6f6zS7cyM6rpil'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'did it ever occur to you that if you didn't have a government to obsess about that you would be criminally bored?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate, from a long term real benefit point of view, the idea that paper money is better than commodity money remains unproved'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with that, tinada'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'maybe our government looks like a nail because you are a hammer?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno about you, but your government looks like a mafia'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well frankly, running a country is a stressful and mostly thankless job'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'woah. wait.. hold the phone..'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the only people who would actually *want* to do it are in it for the perks'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then break it up'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was never intended to have a huge central government'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I was going to break up our government on Wednesday'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the power for that was vested in the states'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I've got stuff to do tomorrow'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the stress of siphoning all that loot from the people must be really stressful.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the federal government was there to regulate trade and provide protection from invasion of foreign powers'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'explain the commodity currency vs paper currency, i don't see the logic in saying paper > commodity'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I had like 20 friends I was going to invite along, but they all bitched out except for Neal and Peter, and I don't think we're going to really be able to break the government on our own'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'framed that way, look how far it's gone away'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'hopefully someone else shows up to the party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'seriously now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'paper currency allows barter to be more efficient, assuming that the value of the paper is commensurate with the value of the commodity. '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'something which has failed to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'digital > paper no?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it more efficient?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'faster to count out than sea shells'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'harder to counterfeit'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, it is easier to trade paper than sheep, the paper value of a herd of sheep can be carried easier, don't you think?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or the viking silver bangles.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is a treasury note for $1 of silver any less efficient than an IOU for $1?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, paper value can be inflated, a commodity can't'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'commodity money may, for transaction purposes, exist in the form of zeros and ones on your computer, the point is simply the 100% backing requirement'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'because the silver is more trustworthy than the debtor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EXACTLY, Tinada'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'because silver can't be made but a dollar can.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'There is one enormous downside to 100% backed currencies, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'which is?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'location, location, location!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You aren't going to get a lot of booms and busts that way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so stability is now a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'harder to game the system if it's stable'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US currency has never been 100% backed. The US counted on the fact that the currency would be trusted.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'um, nixon removed the gold tie in 1979'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, finance is one of the biggest games in the world, and it has interested me since I was a kid, it would be a shame if it got nerfed just so people could live happier lives and such'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, which is one of the reason the USD is so cheap now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it was backed by gold, then by silver, then by a promise that it would be worth something'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but you just say dollars are easier to trade, you see what i am getting at here?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the USD was backed by gold and was redeemable in silver.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'so far our money is still more valuable to spend than burn so I guess it's OK so far :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'ahhh gotcha'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as to the value, Cambodia, that's debatable :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you can burn the yen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'its worthless'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only thing that really sustains the USD, is faith.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'dollars have value as long as the government can force you to accept them as payment and so on'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the peso will warm you for longer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK pound is devaluing/inflating faster than I can save'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the only thing keeping USD is that is what oil price is pegged to.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the day after that you can use them to kindle fires and wipe your backside'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'oil must be traded through USD only.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true anymore, acidangel'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'wanna bet?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BRICS are setting up tradings in gold and/or the chinese currency'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i am not talking your gas station, i am talking your price future traders'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'you know.. those "speculators"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the USD is backed by the US debt..'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a parallel market being created'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't be relevent'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US government sells its debt in the capital markets.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'maybe we can use bags of heroin as currency'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: '$50 a gram'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US government already does'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'shit that is practically currency in many places'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like Afghanistan, where we help them grow it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Nicuaragua, they harvest cocaine from the ocean.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Paper oil is almost exclusively traded in USD. Physical oil is being sold in various currencies, but USD is dominant here too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no shit they harvest cocaine from the ocean'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the US border patrol harvest from the ocean.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you making a "Duh!", or were you legitimately asking?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or what they are called. Coast guard perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I didn't know that, honestly'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'people already barter consumer electronics for drugs, sell copper pipe for methamphetamine'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'everyone can have a safe that they keep their drug stashes in, and take what they need to go buy what they want'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only issue with that is it's typically stolen copper pipe'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'oh yeah it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's because of the colombian coke subs and the specific trade routes they take to the US.  They can't outrun the coast guard, so they just surface and dump their product into the ocean.  It then travels the currents and it just so happens it all washes up on the beaches of Nicaragua.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you can buy food stamp cards with heroin'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if the dollar goes to shit I guess we can always fall back on drugs'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can buy heroine with food stamp cards'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you can buy sex with food stamps.  I guess it qualifies as "eating"...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US food stamp black market thrives :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'usually in the drug world, food stamp cards go 2 for 1 (2 food stamps for 1 dollar)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If all the dollars somehow came home, I think the worst case scenario is USD falling to maybe 1/3 of current value, then it will rise a bit from there, and the factories will come home from China'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should just ditch it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'hell naw, market would gap up 1k points overnight.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'which might be a good thing in the long run'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they reformed the system, and it seems they just made it easier for the marketeers..'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'S&P500 might, yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'underneath our economy, though, is a bunch of work that needs to be done, and people who need to do it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'DOW would, s&p would gap up 50'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'since most of their earnings are from abroad'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US infrastructure is going to the crapper, the cities look worn out.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'before we rework the economy, we have to think of a way to keep those people motivated to keep up the infrastructure of our civilization'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'depends on which company your referring to.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'our infrastructure is definitely in trouble...I saw a show on it the other night'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if 2/3 of total S&P500 profits are from abroad, USD falls to 1/3 of current value, back of the napkin calc says you might expect the price in usd to climb to 1/3 + 2/3x3 = 7/3 of previous price'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't subject the markets to shocks like that, it fucks things up'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but you can take the government apart'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need a stable currency, if that means having it based on a commodity, then so be it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, you need sound money'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Markets survive the strangest events. Leveraged investors don't.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'leveraged investors exist to provide liquidity for the big players.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and a world where notional value of outstanding derivatives is about ten times global gdp might just be in trouble :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'brining profits back home is not a profit, its a movement of currency. that doesn't debase anything.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, the first lab grown meat burger costs a cool $320,000 to grow.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you mean, grown in a test tube type meat?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, a machine that grows body parts...they used it to grow a hamburger patty.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( Soylent Green )
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a 3d printer'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it cost $320,000 to grow it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and not a 3d printer...it is a bioreactor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'maybe someday a bioreactor and a 3d printer will be combined...and you can materialized something.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'maybe they will genetically engineer a tree to grow meat fruits'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a few years back they created a pigs ear with the bioreactor....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they use it to make heart valves now, and hamburgers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think they're looking into that, now, Cambodia (at any rate, it's a big sci-fi staple)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'then we could eat hamburgers and if any vegans had a problem with it they could shut the fuck up, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: seems they attempted to grow a piece of meat muscle and called the failed result a meat patty'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'given time, I expect that human replacement parts will be made to order.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stop being so negative....they created the hamburger on purpose, to show you can do it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I hope so'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that they will make human parts to order, no more transplant list'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they can also grow a fully functional liver now with it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pull their research grant'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no more genetic matches'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no more anti-rejection drugs with horrendous side effects'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yep, none of that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but i dislike the rich, pull their research grant'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'anyone seen the reversible vasectomy shot yet?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'dislike the rich, and you'll never be one'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'makes you wonder, though, why they'll say replacing your own organs with new copies is an unethical or elective procedure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they created some liver cells from stem cells, but it's a long way of growing organs'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'made to order body parts grown from your own genes will be good though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Cambofia, that is not a valid argument'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it's a shot, they inject it into the vas deferens, it's a polymer that costs less than the syringe used to administer it, it coats the vas deferens and electrostatically destroys sperm, reversible anytime'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps zade could get some compassion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'not a valid argument but a fact of the mind'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is an empath, but not for the corrupt greedy rich
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's probably just as well that the supreme court overturned a ruling that allowed biotech companies to patent genes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a shame they didn't apply the same common sense protection to GMO crops'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah GMO crops, we'd better be careful with that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'glow in the dark fish is a good idea.....combines a pet with a night light....win win.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there's a reason why nature operates slowly'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's another area you've got your vested interests working within political parties in complete violation of the public good'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as seen with the Montsanto protection act that gave them immunity from prosecution for any damage their crops cause'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless evolution happens in quick spurts, instead of over hundreds of thousands of years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now they've been lobying hard in the Uk to get GMO unbanned, I delivered an ultimatum to my local MP about it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apes are an evolutionary dead end.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so are socialists'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'so are sharks, but that is because sharks are perfect already'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately, apes are not perfect.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that is a capitalist fallacy that everything needs to be constantly upgraded and fucked with'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sharks are perfect for that environment.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'You must chose:  All natural agriculture + world starvation, or Better agricuture thru genetics and chemisty + increasing world populatoin.  Those are your choices'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the shark is like a Zippo, nothing needs to be changed'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are not the choices, vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'humans on the other hand are perfect for all environments, cause we can adapt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'we're Eden's astronauts'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gosh, TG... the word "or" in there sure makes it look like a coice to me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'raise the temp of the ocean water a few degrees, and sharks die off.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, let me elaborate, those are a falsely narrow set of choices'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus Christ was (is) a socialist'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that do not represent the range of options available'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'naw, he said render unto Caesar'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how would you modifiy the choices?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he believed that doing good was independent of government'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'negative zade, he was not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus's public is not the same as our public, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God owns everything -- do not give Caesar anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG... table it for a little while.... the conversation has runed'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'errr... turned'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a matter of fact, with no modification of technology whatsoever, we can feed the planet - distribution and equality is the issue there. In reality, considering all the other strategic resource issues, the best solution is a lower level of population'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing wrong with GMO crops, except when 1 company owns the patents.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the content and effect on the biosphere, riz'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'render unto Caesars what is Caesars, render unto God what is Gods.  Perhaps you just don't 'get it' zade?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when a gmo crop kills off a tranch of bugs, screwing up the food chain, poisoning the humans, i'd call that an issue, wouldn't you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I call that a problem with farming in general, not GMO crops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I grow tomatoes, cucumbers, and peppers....all naturally...without artificial fertilizers...and I have bumper crops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe because you haven't worked the soil intensively until it's barren'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'avging about .4 lbs per plant per day right now...that is HUGE.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Acidangel likely did not yet see the small print between the lines in the NT Bible -- Jesus Christ was definitely a socialist'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if that happened naturally (and, yes, it's occurred rather frequently), you wouldn't have a problem that a cultivated plant killed off a branch of bugs, screwed up the food chain, and poisoned humans?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont use soil, aquaponics :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there are definitely people who farm outside of the industrial paradigm that do insanely well'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'hey Riz, have you heard of Joel Salatin?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, have his books.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah, that man is a genius.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jesus was not a socialist, he was a philanthropist'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Zade,  Christ spoke about the collective, through the Individual, not the Individual, through the collective.  you simply just do not understand.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the beauty of his system almost brings a tear to my eye.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I agree...he is quite smart when it comes to growing food.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he championed the idea of personal sacrifice and giving'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah he's a bit weird in other ways but his farming methods are inspired'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'apparently his farmed food is more nutritious and better tasting than any of that mass farmed product'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'industrial farming is what is bad when it hurts the environment around it...but even those practices can be made to not hurt the environment....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Socialist believe the collective is greater than the Individual.. so Jesus was not a socialist preacher.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but you have to want to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'one thing he said was that farming is thought of as a low-intelligence profession'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'which is false, more intelligence should be devoted to growing our food'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All factory pig farms could recycle the pig shit and protect the environment and make more money if they had half a brain.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't the pig farms do that already?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if they had half a brain, if farming was run with more intelligence, if more people who were geniuses went into farming instead of white-collar finance jobs or science'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, most factory farms in the US use shit ponds to collect the waste, and let the microbes eat the shit and release the methane into the air.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then every few years they clean out the ponds and bury the waste.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then every few years they clean out the ponds and bury the waste.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russian farmers store their pig waste in underground tanks and use the methane for heating'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it's just my surface-level, uninformed opinion, but like every time I read about how farming operations are run, I think, they could be getting SO much more out of that'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK farmers spread the pig waste over the land'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Regulations and market conditions are set up deliberately to tilt the tables in favour of crap intensive farming operations, and against small intelligent/wise/mom+pop smallholdings'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with all that rain you get?  Talk about messy runoff issues!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some of them in the US use methane digesters to collect the gas, and then mix the left overs with water to fertilizer their hay fields to grow food for their cows.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'which is why Salatin isn't FDA approved...but if you doubt his product is real, buy a chicken from him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"By their fruits you shall know them. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles" (Matt 7:16)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can search for news stories where small organic producers have used their nuts to club together to form collectives to give themselves resilience in the market, you'll find pages and pages and pages'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such people get targetted unfairly by the feds'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since they operate outside the preferred system'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're the same person'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like his grass management system....it would work quite well in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire." (Matt 7:19)  -- the Republicans and the Communists are likely dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah that was a great idea (riz)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'using animals behind the cows to help fertilize the new pasture grass.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and not only that, his chickens and eggs are of higher nutrition, with a natural diet'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't a lot of these techniques basically what people used to do 100yrs ago and more?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cattle, then goats and sheep, and then chickens and rabbits'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'albeit refined'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he is using science to refine Nature, while still keeping the shape of the natural orders'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: '"For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.", so what is your point zade, your just providing more evidence he wasn't a socialist. lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he calls it the logic of God, and he is right, but putting it that way puts people off nowadays :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Republicans and Communists are evil'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'labels, zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'That makes absolutely no sense.  Communist would be the liberal side of a central power structure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you talked about corruption of language, we talked about how labels meaning gets diluted, polluted'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet here you are attributing qualities to labels that have been corrupted and expect to be taken seriously because...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"By their fruits you shall know them." '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'besides, there is a lot of desperate, misguided, fearful, greedy, and angry, but not a whole lot of true evil'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'pray you never run into true evil...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the republican party of today is nothing like the original gop in the 1800s'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Communists were (are) murderous abominations'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the gop back then was the original liberal party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but a more moderate liberal party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republicans are not looking good either'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'Libertarians and liberals are two different things.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the southern democrats were the ones against racial equality.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'weren't those what the democrats turned into later?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name?" (Matt 7:22)  '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity." (Matt 7:23)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the Bible really works better if you read more than a couple lines at a time'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'context does not matter to zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well except for if you use it as a tool to further whatever agenda you have...then it works better if you just use one or two lines'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Or just pick your favorite parts and ignore everything else.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah, you have to really study and educate yourself about the nature of the Bible before you can see the truth that is in it, but who has time for that?  just tell me who to hate, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the whole Chapter 7 of Matthew is a bit spammy to post  (and i like to add annotations)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well true'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'hate is a huge thing in that there book, no doubting that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only true anecdotic Gospel is John. The writers of the other 3 weren't really witnesses.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the New Testament is moderate (even almost benign) compared to the evil Old Testament'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it is a chronicle of the history of the Jewish people, some mythology, part poetry, and all of it fourth-hand'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'methinks you're confusing Acts with the rest...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the New Testament is more based upon Pagan mythology (set in a Jewish background)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I met a really good preacher in jail once, I heard him preaching when I was celled up at night...he was really good, he made the Book sing when he spoke of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus Christ was criticising the Jewish religious leaders'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus Christ was stating tha some of the Jewish religious leaders were not likely to be forgiven'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the gospel of John was heavy with Egyptian mythology'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is correct, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he was also working his way to become both kng and high priest. The reason he was killed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'king*'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the song remains the same zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lov that show Survivor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the big ironic joke is that Jesus Christ" never actually existed -- the story was a total fabrication from several sources'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you know for a fact that he didn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sniff... sniff... hmmm smells like.... .SHIT in here... TROLL SHIT!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia grins evilly at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jesus was in Ben-Hur, so there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel nods at Vonliege.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there you are wrong, Zade. There is sufficient historic evidence of Jesus' existence. He is well mentioned in Iosephus' histories.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if you believe that "Jesus Christ" existed, than i am happy to condemn you wicked to hell based upon the scriptures you say you believe'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Hank Williams wrote about Jesus?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you don't get to condemn people to hell, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't say I believe in the scriptures :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell is a myth....lucifer is the angel of light....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I believe there was a man Jesus who tried to become king of Israel as well as its High Priest.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so... Zade just told me to go to hell... interesting... I think I'll pass'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what his name means, Rizgoth :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'anyways, take it easy fellas'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesus in the sense of the almighty saviour who regularly worked miracles like they leaked out of his ass like wet farts did not exist.  However, various approximate candidates were found in history who DID exist (albeit long after Jesus was said to have lived and died).  One of these was Jesus the carpenter, who is known to have lived in Gallilee during Roman occupation, participated in various terrorist movements against said Romans, and joined anti-Roman causes hiding out in the nearby mountains.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'israel hadn't had a king in 500 years...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for all intents and purposes, Jesus is like William Wallace, standing 10 feet tall with lightning bolts shooting out his arse.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what happens when a story gets retold uncountable times, Hanslanda :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, Constantine had a hand in creating the myth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Nazareth teachings of Jesus were already around at least 90 to 120 years before the alleged Jesus of 0 AD began preaching'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if he preached at all'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he's saga is more akin to a political campaign.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my donkey is constantine reincarnated.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'then Paul of Tarsus, the Mithraists, and other Pagans, added in the supernatural mythologies to the Jesus story -- and Jesus became a Christ '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Paul had his own agenda, he is most responsible for the creation of the godly Jesus.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my donkey has turned 1 fish into 1000'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'note that Paul never met Jesus.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Jesus traveled to china in his early 20's and established taoism'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he was chasing after Chuck Norris, who established Toeism there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not sure about China, but it is very likely he traveled to India.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though how people used donkeys for transportation is beyond me :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stallone and norris made fun of norrisisms in Expendables 2'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't watch Stallone moves on tv, I can't turn the volume up high enough to hear what he says :>'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Stallone is a dad'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tomato seeds are the most powerful force in the universe.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know how to repond to that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has to do with something einstein said a long time ago :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what is its relativity to today?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Trayvon Martin had been smoking pot on the night he was shot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'THC slows the perceptions'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just saying.. presence of THC, and pictures of him using pot on his cell phone, along with the gun pictures make it hard to establish him as a clean cut high school athelete'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'people who smoke marijuana deserve to be shot in the street.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well now... that's a bit extreme.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an A student is permitted some THC'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of you USAmericans want to legalise THC usage'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'no REAL American could want such a thing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Ah, good old 'no true scotsman' fallacy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Harperon is agreeing with that Squamous Morinon person again...
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you white honkeys are not real americans.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Rizgoth, unless you are Cherokee or similar, you can stuff it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we indians have been smoking weed for over 12,000 years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not dangerous.  After all, look at all the stoners who drive all that way to attend various concerts, stay practically all night long while lighting up, and then drive back home tired and stoned.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Will show your personal whois data.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stoners dont drive....a stoner drives about 5 mph when they do :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'funny... marijuana came from china to n.africa about 1550'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then made it's way west'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'yeah, it was tobacco originally.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'in the Americas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And others.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Which tribe are you from, Rizgoth?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'anyway... my original point was about that clean cut kid that got shot by the low-down, jackbooted nazi'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, my thc hard candies arrived in the mail just now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess the quality of debate can only go down, now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what does the character of the victim has to do with it? Presidents of the US have indulged in pot and they still manage to get elected.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Kodiak Alaska, Sun'ak tribe, recognized by the fed govt and state govts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er Sun'aq'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'clinton never inhaled'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Define "inhaled"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that even if the victim was a scumbag he was entitled to live.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'first - this trial is to determin WHO the victim is/was... second, his character has EVERYTHING to do with what might have prompted him to get shot dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'bush did cocaine, so I assume he had to inhale'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'George Washington definitely inhaled'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'excuse me?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are saying that an unarmed person can be killed legally if they provoke an armed person?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and Jefferson grew pot on his plantation and smuggled some chinese stuff into the country.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... you don't need to have a gun to kill someone'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they pose a threat to an armed person, yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's not what I asked.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you asked yes/no, he answered sure/yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you meant to ask something different, you failed at it'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, Abelinc. But that is not what it's being said here. What they are saying is that the character of the victim might justify killing him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me be clear:  YES... an unarmed person can be killed legally if they provoke an armed person.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so if I walk up to an armed person and say "up yours, asshole", he is legally entitled  to kill me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, the character of the victim may go to show better what transpired...the defense includes treyvon beating up the accused prior to the fatality'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not what happened, and you're full of absolute shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so clean-cut kids don't beat up people, I get it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if I have a gun, and someone walks up to me and shoves me and threatens my life... AND I am in a state with a "stand your ground" law.. I can use what ever force is neccessary to protect myself.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody walking around with a hidden gun and looking for confrontations is definitely planning to use that gun if hostility results (and that gun is used)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we don't know what happened, Abe. If you know what happened then maybe you should testify at the trial.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'reasonable inferences are permitted as to intent'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are aspects of what happened which are not in much doubt...but what nobody would claim is that he walked up and said "up yours", turned and tried to walk away'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so yeah, full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know that abe. But I wanted to point out that saying that could be considered provocation, and according to what is being said here, it would be ground for execution.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nobody said provocation'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Debate) Vonliege: 'first - this trial is to determin WHO the victim is/was... second, his character has EVERYTHING to do with what might have prompted him to get shot dead''
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'absolutely, that is quite correct'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'self defense all the way....if it was Texas....this wouldnt even have made the news.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so saying "up yours, asshole" can fall in that category.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it can't'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why not, it's a provcation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, as for "why not", it'd help if you'd lrn2read...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, downloaded every depeche mode song on the internet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only 1.6 gigs :('
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you're going to quote, then quote rather than quote one thing and then claim something wholly-unrelated'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, mabe he didn't mean that "prompted" meant "provoked", but it seems to me that there is no real distinction in this context.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually there is'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '[08 Jul 20:19:29] (Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... you don't need to have a gun to kill someone'...[08 Jul 20:19:35] (Debate) Abelinc: 'if they pose a threat to an armed person, yes''
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I didn't argue that point. It is obvious.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh good, then you have zero point'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but we don't know why the boy got shot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if character of the victim determines the legality of a fatal confrontation, then j***s may kill n*****s, but n*****s may not kill j***s, all based upon on-the-spot racial-profiling without knowing the full facts - is that what you are saying'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'IF (and I have no basis or reference that this did or didn't happen) trevon walked up to zimmerman and swung at him, or suckerpunched, or tacked him... THAT would likely result in your being shot if the person you assaulted was armed with a gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for all we know, he did call the man an asshole.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and got shot for it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure, while he was beating his head against the ground, he probably did call him names'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, 5 lbs of thc jolly ranchers and 8 lbs of thc red licorice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are no witnesses to what happened.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and in order for the jury to determine what might have happened, they need to know something of trevon's character'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Trayvon'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they have certainly been filled to the eyeballs with zimmermans history, and precieved character'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he was the killer, and is the one on trial.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's only fair that they be shown something of Martin's character'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, so no witnesses pointing to a crime, and evidence of a reasonable defense, and you're looking for a conviction'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he wasnt a boy...he was a young man who had a criminal record of burglary and who knows what else...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how is it a reasonable defense?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, so people on trial aren't allowed defense?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, they are. But to say that because the victim liked to give blowjobs, it shows that he was an aggressor is not relevant. Or if he stole cookies from his mother's cookie jar.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or smoked pot'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and how is it not a reasonable defense to use force when being beat up?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if THC slowed down Trevors perceptions and responses, Trevor was a slow target, able to be readily avoided'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he had a butt-ton of pictures of him brandishing guns... is THAT relevant?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those on THC do not hit as hard either'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the white dude was stupid anyways....you never walk up to a guy and start arguing with them....you stand 15 feet away and do it so that you have time to pull out your weapon if need be.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what white dude?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there was no white dude...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'see here is the point, if you accept that he was being defended, then there really wasn't much of a confrontation, because the most likely way for the boy to have the man on the ground beating his head was by surprising him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a white dude in this story?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I mean that the man didn't know the boy was there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which idiotic crime are we talking about here ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a jewish hispanic is not a white dude'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in what universe is that true, anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a jew hispanic is a white dude.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I've been in fights, so I know. You don't fall under like that unless you are surprised.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or you're outmatched'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'from what I can see, that wasn't the case. The man was big enough.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh, so THAT'S your basis...it's a "full-grown man" vs "a little boy"...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the jew part does not convert a hispanic to a white dude'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You roll on the floor, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, the hispanic part is part white, well spainiard anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some UK whites are likely to state that spaniards are not fully white'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well,  man usually outdoes a boy in a fight, but even if that wasn't the case here, the man wasn't really outmatched. We are not talking about knocking him down, we are talking about knocking him down and completely overpowering him. Unless the man didn't defend himself because he decided to spend his energy in getting the gun out so he could shoot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'man doesn't usually outdo another man in a fight...this wasn't a man and a boy in the least'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and your opinion of both parties fighting ability'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if trayven was using ebonics on the white jewish hispanic guy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Trayvon'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I use boy basically because maturity helps in a fight.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fine, trayvOn'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'experience helps in fight, not maturity'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'true, but usually experience comes form maturity, though not always.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Thanks Rizg0th'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fighting experience NEVER comes from maturity'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, it is possible that the man never had been in a fight before.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'completly speculative question... who do you think had been in more fights... Martin or Zimmerman?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it seems to me that both looked like fighting rookies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the "banging the head into the sidewalk" thing was totally a newb thing to do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really, it's a very effective tactic'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Yes, it is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, if you have no choice but to be on the ground with your opponent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Like the gut shot'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slapping eachother like girls would be a newb thing to do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'a lot of things don't make sense, like why didn't the boy run away.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gut shot's only effective if you can surprise or overcome abs, depending on the opponent'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cuz he had the upper hand :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'depends on the caliber of the gun, too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'until zimmy blew him away.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, that might be the case, Abe. But it still doesn't make sense. Once you knock the man down you just sprint away.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, randy travis is in the hospital again.....in critical condition....must have been another drug and booze bender'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people beating up other people don't usually run away from them...'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, the man had some bruises on his skull, but he wasn't beat up. If I were in the same relative position as the boy was I would have turned the man's face into hamburger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's why the head banging doesn't make sense to me, newb.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those on THC do not hit as hard or slam as hard'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Running away from someone with a gun? Dumb, unless you have the gun first'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am sure it is possible, but I have never seen anyone on grass get into a fight.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'He obviously didn't know there was a gun, Arnica. If he did, that means the man pulled the gun out before being attacked.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he might have been suicidal, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Zimmerman?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, the boy. If he knew there was a gun and still went in on the man.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'oh definitely agree that trayvon didn't know george was armed'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless Zimmerman pulled the gun, said he was going to shoot the boy, and said "fight or die" -- the fight starts, and during the fight, Zimmerman yet holding the gun, murders the boy'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'was it explained how the melee started? The man sees the boy and says "halt in the name of the law" or something to that effect and the boy attacks?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if that is the case, Zimmerman commited a crime impersonating police'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, he could have said "this is a citizen's arrest" or something to that effect.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and there were witnesses to the fight, with trayvon on top of george punching him'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I am almost positive he said: :I'm Batman"'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'except Travon was not commiting any crime, and was being mugged by Zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so then there were witnesses to the shooting. That is something that doesn't seem to come out of the account because the 911 caller was an audio witness.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the 911 caller ran home to call, and the shooting happened while he was going upstairs'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's amazing! in any other part of the US it would been recorded on a phone :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'does he like jolly ranchers with thc ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'That is incredible, where was their cell phone? They left home without it? Shocked.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'this is a really big bag of jolly ranchers......'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not everyone has a cell phone, surprisingly enough'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is a cell phone ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, in some cities 98 out  100 have cell phones. It's hard to believe than in a group of more than one person, no one has a cell phone these days.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '98 out of 100 is a lie'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer my satellite phone....'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(not yours, but a lie nonetheless)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all gang bangers have cell phones.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, 98 out 100 is extreme, but it actually seems that everyone has one. In Los Angeles you can't do anything without a high probability you've been caught by a camera.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well sure, but trayvon was using it to talk to his girlfriend rather than recording ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you say that he was walking while talking on the phone?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they both were at times during the ordeal'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'george was talking to cops at one point, trayvon was talking to his gf at a different point'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I tell you. I don't know what happens, but the account of the entire thing seems very odd.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'happened*'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'The people in Sanford do not have cell phones. All gang bangers have cell phones. Trayvon Martin was talking on a cell phone. George Zimmerman is innocent. Justice in America.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at his saying.
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'self defense!'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and a gated community without high-mounted cameras?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'It is to keep them IN'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman illegally accosted and assaulted (Canadian definition of assault) Trayvon -- violence and a death resulted -- automatic second degree murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gated communities want to give the impression that the residents are safe, cameras is a conspicuous way to make that claim.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, reading one of the stories about it: Sonner said Zimmerman felt "one of them was going to die that night," when he pulled the trigger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think he said that in an interview, too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"when he pulled the trigger" he probably had a good feeling which of the two it would be'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless he didn't know which end of the stick to point :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, I was zeroing in on the "when" rather than the feeling'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what that means is that they always look for the maximum application they can get away with.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Regulations, Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs), Zero Tolerence Policies....  They are all forms of "pre-defined decisions".  In the case of SOPs, they are intended to enable ACTION in the immediate beginnings of a crisis, such as a plane crash, or mortar attack... '
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zero-Tolerence policies, however, are a cop-out... they are an excuse for highly paid administrators to refrain from making sound decisions based on facts.  They are able to completly wash their hands of any thought proccess.  An administrators wages should be inversly proportional to the number of zero tlerence rules that school system supports.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Well, zero tolerance rules+1'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'So we don't get infinite wages.'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... sure... I think?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so you've had to repeat a few grades.. .no big deal =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mishcan'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Roger Alan Wade is an awesome country singer'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'three things... first - community...a consistient and predictable base of players with which to interact and enjoy the game...'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy who stayed at the Fukushima plant after the reactors went mental has died of cancer'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia hands evidence to the UN that US/Turkey-backed groups affiliated to al-qaeda used Sarin gas in an attack in March '
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut, Florida governor signs a bill banning all computers?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what is that fucking idiot on drugs'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'or just plain stupid'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'links, or it didn't happen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'a technical reading shows it does'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was an administrative error'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'although it was "only" meant to ban internet cafes and slot machines'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the florida governor is a fucking idiot'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's the guy that made owning a pipe a felony'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which is fucking asinine anyway, yes, let's ban any way for people who can't afford a computer to be able to use them to apply for jobs'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'easy enough to fix... and I'd fire a few proof readers and lawyers as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fire the governor'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's always the library... just about every po-dunk town has a library, and the library has computers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'shoot the bastard'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now let's not go mad'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully he can be sent his marching orders in 2014, presuming he's up for re-election then'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I say shoot the queen who let the 'colonies' slip away in the first place.. it's HER fault'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but isn't Florida full of immigrants and dribbling old pensioners?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more than a few, Vonliege.  The state legislators drafted it.  Then proofread it, debated it, changed it up a little to reflect the changes, then voted yes on it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the queen? that was king george III :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we call them retirees here, TG'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm no fan of the queen or the monarchy, but i wouldn't want them shot'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in none of the above'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but he's already gone... gimme a target that's still kicking'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'look in the mirror'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I already shot all my mirrors'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'shifty bugger always staring back at me'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shot em, or did they break?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hard to say... some of both maybe'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'new british anthem "God shoot the Queen/King"'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't really berate the queen other than for not doing her fucking job'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you have to say your name three times in the dark to summon yourself close enough to shoot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'she's a goodwill ambassador, there's not much for her to do in the first place.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what she does NOW, it's not what her JOB is'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she is 1/3 of the governance of the country, in a seperation of powers there is supposed to be the queen, the parliament, and the judiciary, in the same way you guys have executive, house, and courts'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like her father Elizabeth 2 opted not to get involved in it, thus is guilt of treason'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zimmerman acquitted yet?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nope... still under the lights'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lawyers dragging it out to get more money, no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the blackies are threatening to riot, so I think that might be a yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let them'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'easy for YOU to say... you have a big pond for protection'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than we got'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that's what started the whole thing in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't riot'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they do riot and attack private businesses and people shoot back, well that's a few less people on food stamps now, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not like they have any moral argument to stand on'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what are you talking about?  The UK does knives like the US does guns.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ironicaly... if they [blacks] do, they will do more damage to each other than anyone else.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Wow.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as was evidenced in the LA riots.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the LA riots, at least they were justified in being pissed off, though their targets were unjustified'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"some black dude got beaten up by the cops, lets go nick some stuff and burn down some shops" wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Vandalism, anarchy and chaos is seldom justified.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least burn down the police station and pretend you're retaliating in the right direction'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the only white guy that died in those riots was a simple city bus driver who was just driving his route, and got yanked out of his bus.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'there was a little bit more to it than that tiger'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, blonk, same was true of the London riots couple years back. Cops shot a black guy unlawfully, people went out and started nicking stuff and torching shops, including those in their own community'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, I thought he was yanked out of his big rig and had a rock tossed onto his head?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically a bunch of chavs with <80 IQ'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same bunch that are tweeting threats now'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might have been, hans... my memory has been know to fade'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they were all to disappear off th e face of the planet, you wouldn't be losing much in the way of intellectual capital'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i'm sad that it's true'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it happened because of the acquital of the police, not because of the beating, if it was because of the beating, there would be riots every other week'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I think you are right Hanslanda, I think it was Reginald Denny and he had to have a few surgeries to recover.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't materially change the argument, Blonk'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yea it kind of does. I doubt the riot would have popped off if the police would have gotten charged and put into prison, woulda kind of sorted itself out'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be so, didn't need to be acquitted in the London case'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and like i said, justified anger, that anger is not justified in the Zimmerman case'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'had the blacks seen the whole tape, I don't think they would've rioted in that case.  They just saw the edited version, though, which only had the white cops wailing on the black guy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it doesnt matter, excessive force was obvious, that was all it took'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'for the police to be able to destroy someone in that manner, have evidence, then get away with it, is bullshit, That is why they went crazy and rioted'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're angry at the police! let's go loot some of our own neighbourhoods' stores'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'didnt say it made sense'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dumber than a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't just be the fluoride else everyone would be like it'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman commited a (partial) genocide against an A student'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the news reported it as riots, but from the footage, it was really "mass looting"'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zade - you mean the kid who was currently suspended from school?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'so? that has nothing to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the kid who had been suspended multiple time?  '
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't mind Zade, he'll be going rioting with the box of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The fact of the matter is zimmerman has no right to be carrying a gun, or following him, or approaching him, or shooting him'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The fact that someone gets kicked out of school a couple times means nothing, not sure if you know, but in america you can get kicked out of school for breaking a pencil'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he had a right to carry a gun - that is FACT... as to the rest.  That's for the courts to decide - not us'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he had every right to carry a gun, was foolish to be following him but within his rights, foolish to approach him, and was within his rights to shoot him'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'or suckign on one'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman is a premeditated (coldblooded) murderer'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can suspended from school in the USA for pointing your finger at someone and saying 'bang''
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's not go through all that bullshit again'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'pussified'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point about the suspensions is that it's difficult to be an A student when you aren't in school.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it has to be in the shape of a gun, Tiger.  I doubt the kid would have gotten suspended if he were intimating some other concept.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Once again, not true Vonliege, A students can miss more school, because they are generally smarter'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fingers shaped like guns are not illegal, hans'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but hans... if he SAYS "bang", that's close enough =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i remember being very little immitating a machine gun, i'd be hung drawn and quartered by the fake liberals over there'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'O, things have changed, when i was little it was not at all like it is today'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or, as is the case here, if a student gets suspended, they get auto-A's for the course work they miss for said suspension.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd have me tugged from parents, hopped up on a dozen antipsychotic drugs faster than you can say obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so get suspended if you didnt study for a test?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not quite as simple as all that, Gris... but sometimes... ya'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear they're having a buyback event for toy guns?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who's they?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA was brought up on guns, the longterm established USAmericans are less likely to be triggerhappy'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some fucknut church, VL'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'somewhere on the east coast.  Can't remember if it was in Florida as part of the zimmerman freakout cloud or something up in the Sandy Hook region.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UK citisens are not used to guns, and are likely to be triggerhappy if they got guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or accidentaly shoot their children =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard you can make a killing with NERF products.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, most of those that were triggerhappy were likely eliminated long ago and did not breed'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when my boy was 5, we went to walmart and bought him a set of toy six-shooter to go with the cowboy outfit his grandma had sewn for him... we then took him to the portait studio in the walmart for photos... they wouldn't take his picture with the guns.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'pussified'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Wakmart did that and was not sued ?!'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to be fair, the portait studio was a vendor... not part of walmart'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but located IN the walmart'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'walmart also yelled "NO BIRFDAY CAKE 4 U!" at a 6 year old because he was named after Adolf Hitler.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still made me mad'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I might suggest to the parents that they find a nice skin-head run bakery for that order.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no bakery in Germany would ever put that on a cake'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some AfroAmericans like to be named after somebody that stuckit to those oppressing AfroAmericans'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... Blacks often have family names that can be traced back to slave owners'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but you could make a fried-chicken-and-watermelon flavored cake slathered in hot sauce and you'd get fired for racism.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think the cullinary-cops would shoot you dead first =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'AfroAmericans also like beans'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK citizens are as used to guns as US citizens are, it's location and background dependant'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I like beans'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rural UK citizens over a certain age are entirely familiar and used to guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'refusing to produce such a cake (if requested by an AfroAmerican) is racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'racism is stupid and pointless end of discussion'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is good racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real racism is indeed, unfortunately 99% of modern racism isn't racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'except for La Raza and Black Power.  White Power is bad, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's bigotry'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bigotry is a horridly misused word'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not as misused as racism is'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so is fag.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK it is now commonly used to describe someone who has an opinion you don't agree with and can't think of a intellectual argument against'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that depends on location'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fag is never misused :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the UK, when someone says "fag", do they generally mean a cigarret, or a gay person?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a smoke'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'today, I mean'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and in US it generally means a gay person?'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's use derives from Faggot, meaning a budle of brushwood or sticks'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't think they're referencing happy people, Von.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I never did really understand how "faggot" translates into "homosexual"'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's because Americans have a tradition of corrupting language'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh sure... but there's usually a trail to explain it'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bearing in mind it's only corruption when someone else does it'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts flutters his eyelashes seductively.
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hah, you should talk, you gave us two versions of English.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'faggots are burnt'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'en etemology of sorts'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll have you know that ENglish is OUR language, we stole it fair and square!'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... burnt... still don't see the connection'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well in the olden days homosexals weren't burned at the stake. They were just "thrown in the fire with the other fags" so to speak.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... that makes a certain sense'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no known connection'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still pretty thin, though/'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They were burned just like the bundles of sticks they used to keep the fires going, hence they themselves being called fags'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Doesn't that just make the word feel all the more offensive to you? Adulterers were treated better than the gays back then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't find the word offensive'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Niether do I'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'adulterers didn't try to corrupt the natural order, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I say faggot and nigger frequently. For many reasons.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you find the word offensive, you probably voted for Obama'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you probably have the IQ of yeast'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even in academic situations, you can't actually say the n-word, Death.  You can say niggAH, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What if I am at the pub. And the server makes me the most awesome burger. And I think to myself, "Damn that nigger made me and awesome burger" even though the person wasn't even black.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thin kthe word is trade marked... you can only use it to refer to black people'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, that's just insulting, then.  I mean, she slaved all that time making it just right and you didn't even have the decency to thank her for it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I did thank her'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I told her she was way better than the faggot working the grill the night before.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'finally, Emerald has the right "smell" to it... that indefinable quality that says "This is your clan"'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and eyup... that there was a mischan'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wow, just wow. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/patient-awoke-doctors-errantly-preparing-remove-her-organs-141547610.html'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Community - Community is the main reason I play this mud.  Emerald does, as you say, have an excellent reputation, and it would be a wonderful community to be a partof.'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have to quit doing that'
T3/r7/2013-07-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this sounds a lot like an interview about to go bad, heh'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Obamacare sucks balls'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Obamacare sucks balls'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'so you say'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'prove it!'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It will increase premiums for people. You WONT be able to keep your old insurance plan like Obama once said. It hurts small business. It makes lower middle class poor and it keeps the poor poor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are not force to use the plan. You can continue with what you have.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'As long as it meets the ACA's criteria. So if I want to have a 2nd rate insurance plan or *gasp* want to have the choice of not having or paying for insurance. I don't have that option now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'so like I said, it sucks balls.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Should home schooling be outlawed?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mexico is now the fattest country in the world according to the UN.  Time to update the jokes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'is that because all the slim Mexicans ran across the border?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'apparently, no.  It's from rising incomes and an increase in urban lifestyle.  Paradoxically, the malnourished poor are driving this trend.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, whoops, fattest developed nation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Mexico is a developed nation?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thanks to NAFTA, I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So I guess a gag order has been placed on the Police and fire/rescue that responded to Micheal Hastings' car "accident". '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Oh why I wonder why why why....they would do that. His death report is being concealed as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Surely it must be to spare the feelings of his family, who also think the government had him killed right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who is Michael Hastings?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'He is that journalist guy who crashed his car into a tree, right before he was going to release some damning information on the U.S. government'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The way the crash played out was very questionable. At the very least it's quite unusual And the fact that they would gag the first responders and then be ordered to not release his death report? I feel sorry for anyone who does not think this smells like shit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and you think they killed him as a coverup?  Riight.  Random citizens are so stone cold that when they find out something shocking has been happening (and possibly that he's eluded pursuers) they don't get into accidents due to their hysterical state of mind...it takes a secret government agent to kill them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But the gag order Hanslanda! And the crash just is not right at all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Nothing about the nature of the crash makes sense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what you think about "under the dome"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'decided not to bother with it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think there was bradbury's "flowers" or something.. before king's'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm saving my precious TV time for Supernatural and Once Upon a Time.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'supernatural rocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'googling..zzt.. googling'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I need to get my hands on a complete Season 8, managed to catch it after the midseason break but Netflix only goes up to season 7.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly Adam Kokesh got raided. Could be a FBI setup, or could be he really was dumb enough to be an activist AND keep illegal drugs in his house.... but I doubt it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas abortion law goes throught, despite satan worshippers protesting'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what was that law again?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'department of justice spent tax dollars on a a campaign to support "Justice for Trayvon" protests'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'texas abortion laws, maximimum 20wk limit into term, clinics must conform to sugery standards and have an admissions arrangement with a hospital within 30 miles'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in somewhere like texas, that could do with being modified to "within 30 miles, or the nearest if one isn't within 30 miles"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, yah.  I thought it was that the doctor himself couldn't do the abortion at a hospital he didn't have such priveleges?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure of the specifics, it's supposed to ensure safety'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'could be, but won't -- because the real goal is to make it hard enough to get abortions so that people will have the kid anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nah, it's supposed to make it obnoxious, safety is the cover they put on it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wisconsin have taken the same approach, but in a smaller state'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'women do tend to be uncomfortable with having their trusted doc recommend them for the procedure and then have someone else (who probably never even met with the patient until they were admitted) do it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'law would have been fine without the mile limit, tbh'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'still don't require surgical center'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for non-surgical abortions'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's for those horror stories of serious complications that develop'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'funny, the doctors say that this provision is unnecessary.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'texas medical association says not necessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doctors say all kinds of stuff'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'american college of obstetrics and gynecology says not necessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'texas hospital association says not necessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's absolutely no reason someone needs to be in a surgical center to take a pill.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, hans, i agree with the 20wk limit, regardless of the other stuff, i was just amused at how it's ok for a democrat filibuster on something they believe in, but it's a travesty when Rand Paul launches one on something his lot believes in'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a hell of a lot of republicans who approved of filibusters on their side and didn't approve of davis's, too -- it cuts both ways'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't have a problem with the week limit, btw.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently a pill is only used up to 9weeks'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, it's used in the most early-term abortions'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell a lie, can be up to 23 weeks, just different order'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, but it's still most used in very early term'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they list huge racks of complications after 9 weeks that require transfer to hospital or surgical procedures'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, which is why a lot of clinics only do early-term ones and tell you that you have to go to a bigger center if it's past that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so maybe they should have split it into 2, accrediting centres that do it pre-9weeks that do not need the extra regulation, and those that do it 9-20 that do'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ROFL typo on this website: Death (less than 1 in 100,000)Extra procedures which may be necessary '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why maintain two scapegoats, though?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scapegoat?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'You will be shot at dawn, and then asked to leave the country!'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if something goes wrong, or something like the baby-killer doctor happens (the one that slit fetus throats, snapped necks, and crushed skulls recently)'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even the flamingest of flaming liberals that I know want that guy prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Lawmakers propose to open national park on the moon'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not to say that there aren't some who don't -- but I haven't met any yet'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he should be put to death via wood chipper.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what happens when you're accused of a crime that has already been overturned in the supreme court?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So I guess a gag order has been placed on the Police and fire/rescue that responded to Micheal Hastings' car "accident". '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Who is micheal Hastings?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'He is that journalist guy who crashed his car into a tree, right before he was going to release some damning information on the U.S. government'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'I see..'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he didn't dcrash his car into a tree, his car exploded into flames mid-drive, sending the engine 150ft down the road seperate from the chassis'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pretty clear it was a carbomb'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'And then hit a tree?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then hit a tree'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'So he totally died by hitting a tree. Duh, There was no car bomb, that was all just a coincidence... Right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eye witness reports it exploding in the road, jackknighing as a result'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither the tree nor the car have significant impact damage, it's just where it came to rest'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade THWAPS Blonk for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Nah, that was just a atmospheric reflection of a weather balloon exploding, it shined off his car, confusing people'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Zade, you know i was joking right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mercedez Benz have said "our cars do not habitually explode, or eject their engines 150ft mid-flight"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, not on this channel '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'my bad'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all this hours after him saying to friends/family that he's had his life threatened and he's going into hiding '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrmmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well sure mercedes says that...toyota said their cars don't speed out of control as well }:>'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'Weather Balloons that is what the Government wants you to believe! They are spying on us with t,v, radio internet we cams. Alien sightings are common a lot of times. Anything you post on social media the NSA can see what you type or post.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'toyota's aren't capable of speeding'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unbelievable that Mercedes Benz said that'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was paraphrasing, but yes, that's what they said'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'if you watch the Movies I am Legend and World War Z I am buying the book, because they tell you what happens during a real life zombie infestation all coming from a virus or pathagin in 1500 England London, they had a zombie plauge.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I prefer ultraviolet'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zombie shooting is just them getting ready for mowing down the public when the riots begin'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or at least resident: evil series'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'yes Tiger nuts already america has a zombie virus its in miami florida we call it bath salts people are high on the drug they eat babies and eat peoples faces off'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd love to see what a total meltdown is like in a western state. Until now it's only been military states'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that happened once'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oompug: '- h'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'snooper alert!'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news report out claims Bank of America employees in the mortgage servicing unit systematically lied to homeowners, fraudulently denied loan modifications, and were paid bonuses for foreclosing on peoples homes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The way the crash played out was very questionable. At the very least it's quite unusual And the fact that they would gag the first responders and then be ordered to not release his death report? I feel sorry for anyone who does not think this smells like shit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Oh why I wonder why why why....they would do that. His death report is being concealed as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Surely it must be to spare the feelings of his family, who also think the government had him killed right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I guess Aardwolf got the gag order too?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '-5 10'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I just went thru you buffer, and I don't know what you are refering too, DS'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'google Micheal Hastings, von'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has nothing to do with his family, his wife is on the record as believing it was a hit and wants to crush whoever was responsible'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I know I was being sarcastic TN. His family knows what happened.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And they don't want an investigation because any retard could figure out a car bomb was used.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't be sarcastic, some people on here don't get it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'People always ask me, "if Government is so incompetent than how can they get away with elaborate cover-ups like the ones you propose"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and you reply "They're not incompetent...that's just what they want you to think!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you're not a drug addict, you're in denial'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well really they get away with so much like this in plain sight. And people are just conditioned to look the other way or use statements like that to dismiss any foul play.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need to be competent, it's pretty blatant'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm looking high and low, and I can't even find a reference to a conspiracy of a bomb in the car.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'much less a compelling agrument to that effect'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'media control'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'propaganda, you are one of the sheeple'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'media controls the Internet'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very little coverage of the Hastings assassination on mainstream, you have to go local/alternative'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if "they" were truely capable of that level of media control, then we are all well and truely F***ed... we might as well get in the free chicken line.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they, like the police/fire have been told to avoid it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we are fucked, VL, that's what i've been telling you'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how blatant does it have to get before you agree?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well, if you're fucked, you might as well enjoy the dicking'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, i'll take a machette to it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if they're gonna fuck you like this, they should at least provide a reacharound'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'seriously man, take a fucking vacation from your paranoia for once, the world is fucked, nothing can be done, you might as well enjoy the ride before you die, at least a little bit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(look at all those chickens on their backs on the debate channel waving their legs and the surrender flag)'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, you guys will go down before we do, we're being squeezed right now, but we're not being fucked'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'in the end, we're all fucked'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'every single one of us'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and if you don't find any joy in it, then you didn't get your money's worth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(bawk bawk bawk)'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't complain at me for complaining about it, you're the guys facilitating the fucking'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'indeed sir, I think I will go peck at some corn and enjoy being a chicken'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yup... I don't get it.. I may be living in a computer generated fantasy land while by body is pumped for kilowatts... but a steak still taste good when I eat it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well be'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'When are they gonna finally go hot on us and give us an excuse to fight back physically. It won't end well but at least the control will be broken.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's extremely unlikely to go hot'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I get one chance every four years to have my vote counted... beyond that, if everything is as fixed as you claim... there just isn't any point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get to vote at least 3 times every 4 years, and probably more often than that'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all the "activism" in the world won't change anything... it's liek DS said... until they "go hot"... there just isn't any point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'once you consider presidential, congress, senate, state elections, local elections'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I worry more for the world my children will live in much more than the one we're in.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Enjoy your Demolition Man future everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes yes yes... I go to the poll probobly 1-2 times a year if you count state and local... I was refering to the presidnt'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'president is a puppet, essentially'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just need the right people in locally, as a start'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they all aren't puppets?  congress, governors, mayors, councilmen?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you vote in bought off ones, yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if they are bought off, then they get elected AFTER the polls close with cheating... can't defend against that'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure you can, you can protest'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can recall'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ah, Ok... I'll protest and they run away in fear... or maybe my car gets blown up with my children in it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i think you would all do better with the federal government being largely abolished'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if what you say is reality... the second that I start making a difference, I'm dead.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or destroyed or ruined in some fashion'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like Cambodia said, you're fucked anyway, might as well go out doing something for the good'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if enough people do, they can't wack you all'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so again... if doom is the only outcome, then what's the point?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who said doom was the only outcome?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if they can completly control the media... and cover up a car bomb... then they can kill a couple thousand people with no trouble... IF you are able to mobilize a quantity of people that can make a difference, then you are probobly just being manipulated into do what they want anyway... if what you say is true'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spoke like a true coward'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was under the impression you'd sworn an oath'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now YOU"RE not getting it TG... you poop poop every solution, lambast every government official, call us cowards, and somehoe think you have the right of it... so what's you're solution?  '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it can't be anything within the bounds of the law, but cause you maintain that the law is in "their" back pocket'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, that's pooh-pooh, just so you know'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'saying poop poop makes you sound rather silly'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I stand corrected... POOH POOH'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about poo poo?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's easier to get to on the KB'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '....maybe the guy who shot Gabby Giffords in the head had the right idea?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that definitly was not with in the bounds of the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's a book by Vince Flynn called "term limits" that eludes to the notion of assasinating corupt politicians'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what have i poop poop'd?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Time out... DBL'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just makes me mad when people give up, accept the bad. We fight for what is right even though it's often the most difficult path'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'When the man is trying to bend me over and demands access to my b-hole or they'll kill me...my last words will be "fuck off". Von's will be "Ok go on ahead, no sense in choosing doom. I'm already fucked anyways." And then they'll shoot us both. But only one of us will die a free man.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'is this a real scenario? You are afraid of getting raped or killed? I would recommend buying a large dog train it or buy a katana blade to protect yourself or learn how to use a gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm just not to the point where I am "bent over"... I have a very good life, and most everyone around me has a good life. infact, the only people I know who DON'T have a good life have made a mistake (DUI, Drop-out, etc...)  Who, exactly, IS bent over?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was remembering the quote "We must all face the choice between what is right and what is easy"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'in life, there are always other people who have worse than you have it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 9 out of 9 that don't have a good life, VL'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'your not the only one suffering.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'People with D.U.I's have been "bent over" in many cases. The constanly lower the BAC limit so that they can nab more people with fines.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '9 out of 10'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and people who get nabbed BITCH about it... never mind that they might have blown .15 BAC... "the system is out to GET me, MAN!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can blow that after using mouthwash, or drinking diet soda'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'if your healthy and you can work a job, most of america is on welfare or has life threatening diseases like cancer, strokes, mental illness.you will be fine'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having said that, DUI is hardly a measure of wether all is well in the world'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes.. and every drunk who ever stumbled out of a bar and got in his car JUST used mouthwash'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to wonder what kind of closet you live in to think that drunk drivers are the only issue in the world'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'something like 40% of the entire economy is being paid a wage insufficient to provide for basic necessities.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about the entire generation of kids growing up who have no prospect of somewhere decent to live, who will suffer poor quality food and air, possibly even starving'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'about the countries full of people who live in fear of bombing, or opression'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG, you are sick of everyone giving up.  Well I'm sick of everyone bitching about "getting bent over" and "being a victim"... stand up like a man and make your situation better befor you start bitching about the system, or how the system is keeping you beat down.  Do for yourself before you bitch about nobody doing FOR you. '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I don't think you quite grasp the vector, VL, i'm guessing you must be of an older generation, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the "you" in that tiraid was directed at the channel at large.. not just TN'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'There is a good reason that they don't just make driving while having ANY alcohol on your breath, because people will stop trying to drive after a few beers and then they won't generate the revenue they are looking for.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the older generations in the world are entirely responsible for dicking the whole world, whether it's imperialism, or from robbing the world blind then pulling up the ladder of opportunity after themselves, it's your collective fault'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am of the "middle" generation... there is still a generation kicking around that is older.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want to tell a youngster now to do for themselves, well how can they? there are no jobs, there is no money, everything is out of reach, and government regulations and policy makes it all but impossible for them to do ANYthing for themselves. The whole system has been set up so that the only option they -have- is to rely on government'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Guns and speech are all we got left....'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'We can use the shit out of those.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have neither, DS'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'I agree Tigernuts. The Elites and the NSA and the New World Order control everything we do hear say so they have the wealth and the poor are oppressed. but as a Conservative I believe in the american dream. I believe in capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let me ask you this, TN... why aren't you at the library doing course work, or picking up aluminum cans from the ditch, or in the military, or taking online study courses to get the skills you need for the jobs that Are out there.  how come you aren't spending your days at the local political action office painting signs?  how come you aren't marching in protest instead of playing this POINTLESS GAME EVERY MOMENT OF YOUR LIFE?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'you guys better stock up on canned food if we get nuked. '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wasn't is George Carlin who said only an idiot would believe in the American Dream, after all, you have to be asleep to believe it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have a job working 60 hours a week despite being partially crippled, and i am very politically active'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correction, 54hrs'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm one of those people who are doing the very things that you are accusing me of not doing'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i'm telling you is that it doesn't matter how fast you peddle, the exit gets further away'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the entire Occupy movement had figured out the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a thin layer of tin alloy, teflon, and various preservatives to keep the food inside unnaturally fresh will not be able to withstand a nuke, Beastus.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'yes after the food supply runs out and martial law is made into effect, I believe its not going to be a nuke bomb a missle maybe or a bomb that denonates over america that shuts down the grid causing world wide panic riots'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'looting etc'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well Hanslanda, if I'm irradiated won't matter much if the ramen noodles and can of corn are also will it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, it's gonna be weaponized malware.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're both wrong, it'll just be switching off of the food stamps and devaluing of the currency causing mass poverty '
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all perpetrated by a debt default and bond market collapse'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Tigernuts is right.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That is why the Obama administration is doing its very best to keep the poor not self sufficient and making as much of the middle class poor as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'as possible'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll stagnate for several years while they continue to militarise the police and get people used to martial law'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bullshit...much like Aard, life has been steadily getting easier'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe in your head it has, abe'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people have more shit today than they did the generation before, which had more shit than the generation before that'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had 100% employment here 40 year ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's just that you entitled whining fucktards want MOAR MOAR MOAR'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also destroying rural farmers and putting a stop generational wealth. Want to leave your farm to your son? Fuck you! Big government says you have to sell it to a corperation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and house prices 3.5x the average salary'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I didn't have basic cable growing up...now every kid demands a cell phone by age 6...but we're all too poor, woe is us'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we never had anything like that growing up'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'I know what you mean Abelinc I was the same way in the 90s as a kid we didnt need cable I watched my shows on normal rabbit ears and I was poor but we had enough money to buy toys and video games'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tiger: you're on Aard plenty of the day. you're not that bad off, regardless of how much you bitch about it'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i have i grind for, abe, but it's opportunity that is lacking'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we are in is serfdom'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plenty of opportunity'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure, if you're a criminal'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or if you're merely ambitious'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'read: liar'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'See that is a typical liberal response by Abelinc, "you are doing 'good enough' you have a phone and a job, Stalin would be proud"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'never has there been an age of more new [non-family money] million/billionaires as today'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'I am waiting for Obama to get impeached and hopefully Jeb Bush will run for prez. they can then bring back the house of reps with republicans and we can get a solid strong military back again and a good economy'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah they are making record profits off of the reccession'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'umm, it'd be more a conservative view than a liberal one'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'inflation did that.  A million dollars doesn't mean much anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, DS, you're working 54 hours a week, then doing 10 hours a week of physio just so you are capable of working, but no, you shouldn't be allowed to own your own property'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Same thing abe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You fall to the floor laughing at DeathSyte's remark.
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The only thing that Dems and repubs differ on is faggots, guns and baby killing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go DeathSyte!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Abe's philosophy can be best decribed as "I'm alright, Jack"'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my lovely government announced today they were selling off the Royal Mail service'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I am alright...and I'll do what it takes to remain that way :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'TN has it even worse than I do over in the U.K. where even just defending yourself against criminals is considered a criminal act.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'criminals usually leave us alone, they're mostly too busy running global banks and being politicians'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Beastus: 'Obama has taken away our religious freedoms in America you can be arrested for preaching to people, or sapeaking the name of Jesus. Obama is Muslim and not Christian many people were fooled and a lot of christians voted for him. In Middle east north korea christians are murdered daily and arrested and beaten.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So Abe do you agree with the property taxes you likely pay? You seem like a homeowner with a wife to me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, pretty much everyone here knows that I have a wife, as she's also my aardspouse...not sure what homeowner has to do with a wife, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and speaking of wife, it's 5:30 and time to head home :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm not sure either. I suppose I should have said partner so it'd be less offensive to gay people. Ya know thats a thing now in America. Talking about your husband or wife is looked down upon because it's not gender nuetral enough.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also I'm a bigot for not being in full raging support of late term abortions. Funny the society we live in today.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a story about people being tortured and trafficked for money: http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideisrael/2013/July/Tortured-in-the-Sinai-I-Was-Hanged-for-Days/'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you bro-choice, DS?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should shut up and try harder, because after all, Abe's doing fine'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plenty of white trash getting abortions as well, not sure why it'd be bigot'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the home command might be the aard-phenomenons that I miss the most in RL'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '-s'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think there should be a limit on when you can get one. I think at some point it is straight up euthanization of a child. Morally they should only be done for health reasons.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The fact that abortion is something that is celebrated by women and touted the same way as women's sufferage is disgusting.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'minimum living wage, good thing or bad thing? For various reasons US folks won't understand, I heavily support it here'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think it's good for now. Would do more good than bad to get rid of it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'rape is not a health issue, are you saying a rape victim should be stuck with a reminder of the crime?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the thing is when they raise the minimum wage here, it's not good and tends to be an indicator of inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tiger, it's a bit of both I'd say.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a minimum wage will do more than put money in the employee's hands.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'll give you the context, the government here hands out welfare in the form of tax credits to top up people on low wages, so really tax payers are subsidising big business'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in that context, i'd rather businesses forced to pay a living wage and get rid of the tax credits'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you want them to raise the cost of their services so that customers can be less able to use them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Hanslanda yes they could, thats why they wouldn't wait 10 weeks to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i used to think no, hans, but now i'm of the opinion that we can't go on failing to value the worth of things, whether that means continuing to buy cheap shit from china above more expensive stuff made at home,'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also fun fact: Teddy Roosevelt was a "rape baby".'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately, if wages had to rise at the lower end in retail, some price rises would be inevitable, but i believe between the extra tax revenue, lower welfare bill, it would at worse balance out'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i don't think businesses should be able to dodge it by forcing workers to go self-employed and contract in with them'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'retail is just a very small part of what would be affected by a minimum wage (at least here in the states).'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the same principle holds across the board'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if business x pays under the minimum level needed to live, then tax payers are making up the difference'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, medical pricing would go up.  Most people have insurance, so insurance costs go up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insurance wouldn't go up even remotely as much as obamacare would cause it to go up'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what kind of medical workers earn minimum wage?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'none, but plenty of them don't earn enough (even above min wage) to support themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so how will raising the minimum wage to a living wage harm that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'medical assistants, coders, etc.  Those are in the working-poor region where they don't earn enough to live but earn too much to get welfare.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'direct cost to the company.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one would hope they would benefit through lower taxes'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like they have the same problem that a whole raft of people here have, earning too much for help, not earning enough to live'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here the problem is exacerbate by government policy that puts immense upward pressure on the cost of living, something neither VL nor Abe doesn't seem to grasp'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonky english'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's the same in the US.  If you are poor, staying poor isn't going to make you more rich.'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess an analogy would be a man who is hungry that has space for a garden. Great, so with effort he can plant in his garden and reap the reward of having food. The government analogy is man starts planting, government comes in, digs all the plants up kills them, then arrests the man if he replants'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or taxes seeds and garden implements so high that man cannot plant a garden'
T3/r7/2013-07-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish granted!'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'The coolest character in Game of Thrones is Arya.  Discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I've never watched game of thrones, so I disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'sword art online greater than symbol game of thrones'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I've only read the books so far, only seen one or two episodes of the HOB series'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'HBO...son of a bitch'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'team joffrey!'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'joffrey is a douche :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'arya is awesome, tyrion is awesome, davos should not get killed, I am only on book 2 so far'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'hopefully no one kills sansa though she is too innocent to live...'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'a santa sane?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i hope nothing bad happens to the starks'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'everything bad happens to the starks :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they are hard blood though'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'fuck the police'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'all of them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or are you refering to the musical group "Police"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'All of them except 'the police'.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But fuck Sting.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what would you rather have?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the singer not the wrestler.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what is you're suggested alternative to the coppers?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Okay okay Von...I'll clarify. Fuck current 'police training''
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's a bit more reasonable... what don't you like about the training?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Stop treating us all like criminals. Less cops doing speed traps and more cops in the bad streets.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'while municipal and state police have always been a source of revenue for their respective levels of government, "speed traps" are often a response to citizen complaints in specific areas.. I don't know what the proportion is, but when I see a cop posted in an area where speeding is chronic, I think "good job"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Police presance is supposed to work as a detterant to crime right? In my state they actually have warnings signs that have a speed radar on them so that you check your own speed before you go through the actual speed trap. This works much better in my opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You are right Von, so just discourage speeding instead of hiding in the bushes so you can 'catch' them doing it just to write a ticket, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And no, I didn't just get a speeding ticket or something lol.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... I have to disagree... the possibility that you could get popped at any second, on any street and not see it coming is a pretty good deterent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I wonder if it's really a deterent, or if it just sounds like it would be a deterent so we all agree it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you only slow down when you see the cop car, or sign, it'd take alot of cars and signs to effective reduce speeding'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also, when a cop has a car pulled over with all the blinking lights, it has a sobering effect on everyone that passes by.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that that's a bit off the topic'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '^thats true lol.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'again, though, I wonder if anyone has actually studied whether or not these things actually affect the overall situation'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also - as long as the cop is sitting in his hidy-hole napping, he's not eating all the donuts in the donut shop'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm not saying they don't, I just get worried that sometimes we reason that things should work a certain way, but then we don't really check to see if it does'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It just seems to me that the speed traps are more designed to generate revenue rather than stop speeding. They might even rely on speeders to help pay for the police budget.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what better way to fund the law than with dollars from law-breakers?  if they wern't out there generating revenue with tickets, you'd just be making up the difference with taxes.  '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '^good argument.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'do they adjust my taxes when they bag more speeders?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or you'd be constantly bombarded with offers of fund-raising raffle tickets'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '^better argument by Razkin lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'as long as the cops dont personally gain from giving the ticket'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I doubt that taxes are directly connected to the rate of tickets... but it certainly has an effect over time'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I think that's why people get worked up and start accusing them of meeting quotas and whatnot'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Some PD's have quotas and others don't'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as for "cops benifiting"... I know they have quotas, but that's less about ensuring revenue than it is about keeping the cops from napping at their speed traps... job preformance rewards are not unique to the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I understand having them, but it's not good pr, and people tend to feel that they're being hunted when there's quotas'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But even with no quotas, if a traffic cop isn't writing any tickets, they'll have a talking too from their supervisors'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea but with police it can lead to corruption'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'oh yeah, I agree.  But people still feel like they get the tickets because of the quotas, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed.. just like any salesman would get a talk for not selling his wars'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wares'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'small towns pulling over non locals and giving them bs tickets'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And that is somewhat correct Raz, cops hunt out violations even little ones so that they cannot be accused of 'not doing their job''
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt... cops are an imposing authority figure... they CAN effect you, so you get itchy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The thing that I really say fuck the police on is the 'traffic stop' portion of the ticket writing'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'unfortunately, like many other groups, most of the cops out there are just regular people, but when you meet a bad one, it really affects you'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i mean who is gonna fight a 25$ ticket they get in a little podunk town in the middle of nowhere especially if they are not even from that state'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also - who among us leades such a pristine life that we don't have a few guilt issues now and then.  Cops are the physical manifestation of that guilt.. the instrument of your doom, if you will.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'let's be honest, most of the time if you're having an extended interaction with the police, something bad is happening, so when one is unprofessional, etc.  it has a much more negative impact'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They pull you over, they ask you why they pull you over first. This is so they can try to get you to incrimminate yourself by admitting to a crime. They may have pulled you over for not using a turn signal, but you say you were speeding. BOOM two tickets.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and it's easy to forget all the ones that you've seen keep their cool and be professional'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'respond with a question .... do you know why i pulled you over? respond was i speeding?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thats the heart of the problem Raz, even the 'good cops' are trained to be bad cops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'unless you know exactly why perhapse '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've always played it straight when ever I get pulled over - It's worked pretty well the dozen or so times I've been stopped (in many states).  Generally, the no BS approach has spared me the ticket.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that is anecdotal, and not appropriate for debate.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some cops will let you go if you actually realized you made a mistake'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I just don't pop attitude and start having an excuse for everything'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They are trained to hold you hostage in a traffic stop...pulled over for speeding. 'mind if I take a look in your vehicle?' If you decline, now he his gonna really fuck with you just for flexing your rights. As though if you let him do whatever he wants maybe he'll be gracious enough to not give you a ticket.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'fist why break laws that would get you pulled ober in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'When a cop is being friendly with you more often than not they are just fishing for info. "have you had anything to drink?" Then you yourself might say "eh I've had a few beers". DON"T SAY THAT SHIT!. Because now you have admitted that you were drinking. Now you gotta take a breathalyzer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that instance is the exception, DS... generally, they won't ask that unless they see a likely profile. in which case, attitude is everything.  Nobody likes to get an attitude... if you give the waitress an attitude, she'll spit in your food... there's similar situations all over'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'El, a cop can just say you broke a traffic law when you did not. The can 'profile' you first by running your plates.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'my friend got pulled over once when i was in his car ... the cop asked me why i was nervous i flat told him "i am adhd and forgot to take my medicine today"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'give the clerk at the DMV an attitude, and you end up with a license plate that says "I-8-ASS"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Look like a stoner in your ID pick? *sirens*'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'friend car expired tag and limo tints'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also here is a good bit of info, EVERYTHING you say to cop can and will be used against you in a court of law. NOTHING you say to a cop will help you in court.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'he got fix ticket for tints and warning on tag'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It's always best to invoke the 5th amendment and do not answer any questions for the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... no doubt, DS.. that "kind hearted" cop will sit on the stand and gut you later.  But that's really part of his job.  I wouldn't like that part, and I don't think alot of cops like it either.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'know a friend that when to a house to get some pot once ... cops were watching the house or something pulled him over a few blocks later for no reason'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Another good tip, since El touched on it. It's best not to drive if you've had anything to drink at all. And despite the 4th amendment, just dont keep weed in your car lol.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'elchanan... they just said "we pulled you over for no reason"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They have to tell you why the pulled you over.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'he asked the cops why they pulled him over they asked what he was doing at that house ... basically told them if you had no reason to pull me over arrest arrest me or let me go because i have nothing to say'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And about my point earlier Von, even if a cop tries to speak on your behalf, it gets stricken out of court as heresay. I imagine many cops don't like that,'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'honestly... if you just did a quick stop at a know weed shop... I'd find an excuse to pull you over too...  just like you'd find an excuse to go walk by that hot-ass chick that works down in HR.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they let him drive off'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'kid had a blue mohawk too'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and was in a very black neighborhood'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Actually I have been in a car with friends in Chicago. We got pulled over for something. My buddy dropped the blunt we were smoking out the window real quick...So after the cop wrote the driver a ticket for whatever. He picked up the blunt and gave it to him and said "btw you guys dropped your blunt"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Chicago police dont care about the little shit lol. But this was over 15 years ago so things have changed since then no doubt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some cops care some dont'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I was jaywalking in Chicago once and a cop honked his horn and said,"Get the fuck off the road" and sped off. It looked like he was smoking a cigar too lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if a cop asked me if they could search my car i would ask them if its routien'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Like I said, it's more to do with the police nazi training than the people themseves.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Why would you ask that Elch?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and then see what bullshit they give me and say well ill have to cunsult a lawyer first because that does not sound right'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'consult '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and at the point, the cop would think "asshole" and make your life miserable'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You know it's not routine. If they have to ask you, then they do not have probable cause. All you have to say is "I do not consent to searches"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if they wanna search my cat i wanna know what there damn probably cause is'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't punch a bear in the nose'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that just makes you an idiot'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea i suppose use the i do not consent to searches ... some times they might insist tho'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And if they threated to impound your car, let them. Because when the search comes up with nothing thats lawsuit ammunition and the cop will get in trouble of sorts for wasting PD time and money. Usually if they threaten to impound its an empty threat. Call them out on it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you don't have to be a push-over... you just carefully and quietly back away from the bear'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'are they even allowed to search the car after its impounded'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right Von, you can excercise your rights respectfully. Dont say shit about a lawyer and stuff like that. Just calmly state your rights. They'll figure out who they are dealing with.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'big issue is damn dogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah they can call in dogs. And they can impound until they can get a search warrant. The impounding one if much more rare as they only want to do that if they already have you heavily profiled and they KNOW you move drugs around.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and i came upon a bear once was walkin strait towards me ... i yelled at it'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im not to worried about it'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'only know one person that had no record and had car searched'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also police dogs can be trained to give a 'false positive' so that they can search your car. Basically police are trained to hassle. The answer is to hassle back. Also USE YOUR CAMERA PHONE if you can. It can actually be dangerous to invoke your rights without video proof.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and he had a damn box with a volcano in the seat next to him'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The judge will almost always take the cops word over yours. But if you have video proof of the interaction it can help out greatly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'cop asked him so whats in the box and dude said electronics... cop was like may i see'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I can refer you guys to some really informative youtube vids on these subjects if you'd like.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and of course person refused'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'then what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they brough out the dogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Okay'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What'd they find?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol had a friend get pulled over once because we were backed up to a canal and they were responding to a alarm on the other side of the canal'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'a volcano and prob a lil bag'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah like I said film them. Some could plant evidence, it has happened.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and that cop if they would have noticed the gar guts on the floor would of had cause to search'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but my friend was like why are you pullingme over i stopped to use my cell phone ... im a member of aclu '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and got damn aggressive with cop ... he let us go'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Ya know law enforcement is pushing to have cops just walk down neighborhood sidewalks with drug dogs? So that they can just randomy get 'probable cause' to search anybodies home.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'granted looked suspicious too prob when they turn on the street were were on with a spot like and them my friend started driving'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah that cop doesn't want to mess with the ACLU Elch, lol. They do get police fired.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they were fine to pullus over in reality tho'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i mean they had a house allarm doing off on the other side of the canal and my friend was there not even in park but with foot on brakes'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that no doubt cause for a check'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i ate the gar wrapper ... that was nasty'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ive never had a problem with cops'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol that one was fun walking home with a mississippi mud jug'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in the road cop comes driving down then road asks what it is. i just held it in with my finger through the hole'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the say beer i say yes they say are you 21 i say yes they say have a good night'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ohh and cops cant really make up random crap and pull you over for it'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not legally at least'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They can pull you over for no reason. They just have to come up with a reason before the interaction is over.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It's not that they can as in they are allowed to, it's just that they do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you knwo youve done nothing wrong they when they ask if you know why say no i dont'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yep, but then they say you didnt use a turn sig or were speeding...then what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and they pull over the wrong person they get harassment claim'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some people could prob prove that they were not speeding'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and even that they did infact use turn signal'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then you fight ticket file complaint '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You could yes. And if you go to court that cop may have to come in on his day off. They may not care though so that is overtime pay for them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ahh the days when cars have computers than monitor every thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'frikkin sue the city for wasting my time'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yep, I got my car camera's up. one on the rearveiw pointed at the drivers side. Which shows the cop and myself. I would flip it on if I ever get pulled over again.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also I would still record on my phone as well. Since that will hassle the cop even more. I'm working on getting my own dash cam as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im talking about that and even down to monitoring speed searing turn signals ... every thing '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also my recordings all go to a cloud storage service. So they can't 'lost the evidence' if they try to confiscate my phone or break my cam.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'steering* '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That is also true Elch.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they say your swerving well onboard computer says driving was ok'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'should actually be doable on new cars'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc   <---this is a vid of a lawyer describing our 5th amendment rights in detail and why you should never talk to police. The second half is a cop pretty much confirming everything the lawyer says. It's a good watch. It helps that they talk fast. It's about 48 minutes long but check it out if you have time. It could save you a lot of trouble in the future someday.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yes Elch but when that is possible than hacking your car can be possible too. In fact it allready is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'cops can lie  their ass off'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'right, and them lying won't get your ticket thrown out. They are legally allowed to lie to you. They can threaten to take you to jail for not consenting to a search or not answering questions. Even though that is totall bullshit. They are allowed to use fear to coerce you into submission.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thats why my friend said pretty much arrest me or let me go because i have nothing else to say'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'A good thing to ask them if they are just trying to question or pressure you is to just ask 'am I being detained?' if they can not come up with a reason why you are being detained then you are totally free to go.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But don't walk off until they say you aren't being detained. They can stall for coming up with a reason but you can fuck that up by just recording them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also if you are not being suspected of a crime in most states you do not have to provide an I.D. if they ask for it. If you aren't being detained and you give up your ID to them they might tell you that you are free to go but...they are still running your ID. This is another way they hassle people.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Like I said, fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you on public property in alot of places they can  get it form you'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'think many states have laws wich require a person to have Id'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'on thier person'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if your in a private establishment and not drinking ... then fore sure dont have to give them id'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well it depends on state to state. So you should look up the law before you refuse to ID. Because in the wrong state you can get arrested right then and there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it also depends on why they're at your residence (also part of the state law).  If they're getting complains, and they find drinking, they can check to see if you're of age'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'most lawyers will tell you to follow their directions, then sort out what they did wrong in the courtroom'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah here in my state we have those old ancient vagrancy laws. It's illegal in my city to walk around with no ID and not have at least 2 dollars in your pocket lol.I have never heard of it being enforced though'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Raz any good Lawyer would tell you to never answer police questions without him (the lawyer) present as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like i knew back dude like 40's with dreads studying for his bar exam at a coffe shop on the way out a cop said to him have a "good day son"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'dude said dont call me son i dont look like you damn son do i'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I didn't say answer their questions, I said follow their directions'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and any good vacuum salesman would tell you not to lay on your carpet unless it had been cleaned with his super-duper vacuum'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'cop started asking him for id and dude told him you see this book im studying the bar im in a private establishment i dont need to show you a damn thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Does that mean consent to searches no matter what Raz? I'm just wondering.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it depends, if you know it's an illegal search, I'd let them do it.  Anything they find will get thrown out'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'rookie cops superior pulled the rookie back'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But Raz, if you consent than it's not an illegal search.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ohh, I see what you're saying, no I wouldn't say 'sure, you can check my car'.  '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"probable cause" is generally your best friend... lack there of is the biggest reason that cases get thrown out.  If the LEO can't establish a reasonable probable cause, then anything that is discovered there after is tossed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, I misunderstood for some reason'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea dont consent to search ... then id they search any ways'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yes Von, but then the cop can use their secret weapon, "I smell weed".'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just like if they ask you id take the id out dont be stupid and show it through the flap in you waller'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'wallet'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'time out... DBL'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea and skunk can smell like weed too some times'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea and skunk can smell like weed too some times'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol thats a great one from that vid...'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'irs asks to talked to you say yes but with only if i have immunity'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Hey about the cops being able to call in dogs if you refuse a search thing. If you are not being detained and they do not have probable cause. You do not have to sit there and wait for the dogs to show up. Ask the officer if you are being detained if they threaten that. Because if you are not then the interaction with the police is vountary at that point and you are most certainy free to leave. Fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Here is a video of a shitty cop, not the worst but pretty shitty. I'll get to the real bad ones later.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgb3GXuMnq4'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'http://www.libertynews.com/2013/07/rahm-emanuel-calls-special-session-in-chicago-to-use-gun-free-zones-to-violate-2nd-amendment-rights-after-concealed-carry-law-passes-in-illinois/    '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Chigago's faggot dickhead mayor is feeling the butthurt of people actually having rights in Illinois. So you know he's just gotta fuck it up any way he can lol.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I umm thought I deleted faggot and put dickhead...guess....not. oops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, get ready for a 10-20 cent per gallon increase in the price of gasoline in the US in the next couple weeks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all the landlocked oil in the middle of the country is not landlocked anymore.....new crude from texas, oklahoma, north dakota and canada is being shipped all over the country thanks to 900% increase of rail shipments, new oil pipelines, and trucking.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the price of the WTC is getting higher and will match the price of brent sea crude soon.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, the nobel food prize went to 3 executives, including 2 from monsanto.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Taco bell has decided to stop calling its meat in its food 'meat'  From now on it will be called protein so that people are not confused.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'is that actually true?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A stomach virus that kills most of the piglets it infects is tearing across America, reaching farms in at least 13 states just a month after it was first detected here.  The virus is killing 50-100% of piglets in some farms.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'where did you hear that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'death to GMO pigs?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Scientists say a strain of porcine epidemic diarrhea virus (PEDV), which shares 99.4 percent of its genes with a strain that recently killed more than 1 million piglets in China, is harmless to humans and other animals.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can expect higher bacon prices this fall and next year because of the virus.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hope my backyard piggies don't get it'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no backyard meese ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade avoids eating pork products
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I couldn't find a source for baby moose'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the disease is spreading across farms, somebody is spreading the disease'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Well THIS is creepy and insidious. Processed-crap peddlers McDonalds, Kraft, and Dominos have realized eaters interpret perfect-looking food as artificial (you mean meat doesn't naturally come packaged like Post-Its?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So what are they doing? Working harder to make their shitty food look like your scrappy neighborhood café made it'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suspects: food inspectors, government officials, veternarians, feed suppliers, ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the raw carrots are too orange-red, those carrots were poisoned with coloring'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If you've ever wondered whether water improves with age like a fine wine, wonder no longer: The answer is "nope." Scientists found water in Canada that had been trapped in veins of rock 1.5 miles underground for at least a billion and possibly as much as 2.64 billion years. In the name of pure research, one of the discoverers took a taste.  The water tasted like shit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aged water that tastes bad may contain pathogens'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'He turned into a zombie, and ate a pig.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5 crop bugs have developed immunity to corn and cotton crops genetically engineered to contain the pesticide Bt, so they're now munching away with impunity.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta love natural evolution.....you screw with nature, it screws you back.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love hotdogs....the pink ooze protein filling that is used to make them....oh yum.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do cotton and corn products come with a dose of Bt pesticide'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is built in...and the bugs have become immune to it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the plant creates the pesticide thanks to genetically modifying it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or a gene is added to the plant that makes it immune to pesticides like roundup.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wouldnt need pesticides if the soil was healthy.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'on healthy soil there would still be pests'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a healthy plant can fight pests much easier than a non healthy plant....same as animals.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The U.S. court system is refusing to protect the organic growers from future Monsanto lawsuits in the event that traces of genetically engineered genes accidentally end up in the farmers' crops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the U.N. wants you to eat more insects, because it's a more sustainable way to get protein -- and we should all do as the UN says right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'heil UN'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coming to a store near you....bug protein based energy bars....'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the U.N. is run by humans, and humans are not to be trusted, says so in the Bible -- "trust not in man", but that includes religious "man" allegedly speaking for some (fake version of) god'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'in a lot of parts of the world people do eat fried bugs, theyre reasonably healthy if prepared, washed and cooked properly'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"eating insects" increases the chance of eating parasites and bacteria and virii and prions, and other pathogens and chemicals and dirt'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in other parts of the world there are a lot of horrid diseases'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'why any more than other farmed animals?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are far more horrid diseases in africa than in the USA  '
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'remove and disallow gmo patents when the percentage of gmo contamination is below a small percwentage'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when gmo foods are shown to cause and encourage pestilence and biodiversity reduction, perhaps totally remove and disallow gmo patents'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'GMO research is only supposed to be done by government and university research labs -- with no gmo patents resulting from the work'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unregulated GMO in private industry is a recipe for disaster - mainly the biodiversity reduction, and the fact that any *widespread* gmo food is waiting for a hostile pestilence to wipe out the whole crop'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'polyesters may replace cotton'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hemp is the future'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we heard you earlier'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of the police, did you hear about the Brazilian soccer ref who stabbed a player he ejected?  The crowd didn't like it, so they rushed the field and beheaded him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and placed his head on a pike'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'my ex gf worked as a police. a hm. investigator. i felt so much less manly playing my guitar and doing art and such:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor police'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is pretty screwed up: http://www.infowars.com/new-app-allows-users-to-tattle-on-gun-owners/'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i bet if someone made an app for people to record where there live "niggers likely to cause crime", there'd be an outcry'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if some random stranger comes up to you and points a camara at your face, is it any different than the public camaras we have already?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'are there solar flares going around atm'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean as reported by Stereo-A and Stereo-B?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no more like my wifi modem is using EDGE atm'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you pay your bill?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the question should be "Are there any solar flares that are affecting us significantly?"'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are always flares.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or perhaps did you go over your plan limit?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'no i didnt if i did i wouldnt have internet period'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it could be just lots of traffic due to some snafu elsewhere.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'have you engaged in data spiking?  Some providers will throw the lever if you download too much stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I thought you only used EDGE with broadband.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'it is 2:30 am in the morning i have used less than a gig so far'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem maybe some clog somewhere else and so your path is overloaded atm.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'perhaps it's maintenance time for your ISP, then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the network does automatic switching so you never know how problems elsewhere affet your routing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'affect*'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'has been doing it the last 30 minutes'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that really does imply a network bottleneck.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if it doesn't abate, I would contact the ISP.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'give it an hour or so.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ah i am back to HSDPA'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'last time we had an hour double, I kept hanging waiting on data reads. It usually means that the part of the network is down. It seems that that was the case with you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hey, debate freaks. what is "cool"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if you don't know, you're not it'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal . o O ( thats twisted )
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you ain't with it without it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'thats like french philosophy'
T3/r7/2013-07-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'existential coolness :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mr Napolitano to quite as head of the DHS'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quit*'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zimmerman, guilty or not guilty of 2nd degree murder?'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'guilty'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's always a great sign when the jury is slow to decide.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'the guy is clearly fuilty'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'guilty*'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'fuilty as charged'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it means they doubt the evidence presented, and someone always gets royally screwed as a result.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I want him to be found not guilty, just so I can see the media outrage'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm don't think that he is guilty of 2nd degree murder. And the prosicution did a poopy job of proving he was guilty of such. They'd have been better off charging him with some degree of manslaughter.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also I don't see why there is so much outrage over this case when Casey Anthony clearly killed her own child and got away with it. Oh you mean they are both white so nobody can feign racial outrage? Ok gotcha.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'and what about poor snowdin'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah, he should have punched a black guy or something. Then people would pay attention to him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If Snowden had not left the country already he would have gotten into a car "accident" like Micheal Hastings.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I'd laugh if North Korea accepted him. He'd live like a king if he spilled the secrets to them'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what agency did he work for'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'NSA'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The NSA Grissom'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'He worked for a contracting company for the NSA.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'He worked "for" them but he was not an NSA agent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It's amazing what he was allowed to know despite that though ain't it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'not really, gov't ran.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'how long till they off him?'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the NSA can look at your emails and skype chats whenever they want.  Microsoft actually built them private ways into your system, so they don't even have to hack you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'He had the clearance, which meant he had to pass a polygraph. But even that can't always predict a change of heart.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'So then Linux is safer?'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'doubtful.  If you oppose the government too much, they start taking shit away from you.  Makes it hard to do business when they're not approving permits and such.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they might not have ripped their pants down as fast an eagerly as Microsoft did, but I'm sure they all eventually caved.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda, that is a bad and illegal action by a corrupt government'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'solution = dont live in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'NSA spies on other countries too'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'officially, that's all they spy on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I'm still uncertain of why people are acting like this is the first they're hearing of something like this. ECHELON was around long before PRISM.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'alternate suggestion: don't be so fast to accept corruption'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Officially, no, that's not all they spy on. Their focus is predominantly foreign-focused.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is what you think, but google is not used by the majority of foreigners.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they use Bing, don't they?'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I'm referring to NSA's overall focus, not the focus of PRISM.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'baidu is what most of asia uses'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'havent heard of the taliban using google to search for bomb recipes'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'perhaps, but the gathering of data is mainly from what you would describe as macro or internal services that primarly are used by citizens'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'googling for the AH went out of fashion a long, long time ago.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'there are 12 world backbones that everything goes through.  that is where in theory they would place the services to search/strip and store data, but only focusing on certain companies that only citizens would know is the more interesting part nobody discusses.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I'm actually referring to NSA's overall SIGINT mission for DOD. PRISM is a small part of what they do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Rising tax revenue, public spending cuts and big payments to the Treasury from government-backed mortgage companies helped the government take in $117 billion more last month than it paid out, '
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the budget deficit in 2013 is expected to be around $800 billion...down almost $300 million from 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'billion that is'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Zuckerberg should never have taking FB public. Now he is spiraling down the toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'taken*'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'White House officially dispenses with any form of media neutrality: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/12/white-house-escalates-war-words-fox-news/'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Marc Rubio dead and buried in Iowa GOP poll'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/07/12/Rubio-Drops-to-5th-in-Iowa-Poll'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Rubio got the mittens' smell all over him :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'did you here that colorado is going to turn into north and south colorado, its a load of crap'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even aside from that, he's just shit as a libertarian conservative'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll never happen, Ghostleader, no matter how much I might like the idea'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Microsoft collusion with the NSA: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23285642'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Colorado, The Welfare State :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point, anaristos, the rural energy-producing conservative north wants to split from the welfare-democrat south'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alongwith some counties of the state above it'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you can see their point, if you have large geographical areas who are not being represented by their government, why shouldn't they seek an alternative arrangement?'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same happening in the Uk visa-vie Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's extremely healthy'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the resources of the north section of te state are "owned" by the whole state'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ah, so basically you dump the population that doesn't have any money. Where have I heard that before?'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you have against the idea, GhostLeader?'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true, zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'private companies are private companies, the state doesn't own them'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are wrong, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if private companies in the north sell to customers in the south, you tax the revenue and thus garner resources that way'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'it just isnt a great idea, imagine what general pike would say'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'people only agree to the current laws out of convenience'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not wrong, zade, you have absolutely no concept of private ownership, which is why you're a communist, and a bad one at that'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'private companies are a privilege not a right'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'private -property- is a right, not a privelege'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'the existance of states is a privilege for those who rule, not a right for them'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, homer'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the use of ad hominems indicates you know you are wrong Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bull, zade, it's true and the fact you have no comeback proves it'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'inconvenient rules are meant to be changed'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even the constitution may be changed'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if splitting of the state were to disadvantage the democrat south, then that tells you something very important'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'constitutions can be changed, rights cannot'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"there are no rights"'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no rights unless you stand up for them'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have no rights, it must mean you failed to defend those rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rights are an illusion that folk temporarily agree to permit each other'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the havenots prefer to defend and support a different set of rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rights are not permitted. priveleges are permitted'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rights are not about have and havenots'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the French Revolution, Tigernuts head 'd be severed off -- so much for "rights"'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, he wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though yours might look a bit under threat since you don't defend the rights of the people'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some may say that the callous greedy rich do not deserve any rights (at least not as many)'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i would hope you are railing against is the idea of wealth conferring power over other people, and i'd agree with you on that, about intrenched position granted by right of birth'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone has rights, rich poor, black white brown pink yellow'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"right of birth" - tell that to the Amerindians'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"rights" are an illusion'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't assume my opinion on indians, the treatment of them by the pioneers was horrific, as was the treatment of the indigenous south and central americans by the spanish'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the grim reaper comes, no more rights'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and do not use bad actions of people of history to justify bad actions of the present, and the continuance thereof'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of a person does that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nancy Grace is a bit stupid, is she not?'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'she loves missing SWFs :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm beginning to suspect that there's some college out there doing some seriously dodgy teaching of "constitutional lawyers", because it seems anyone on tv claiming to be a constitutional lawyer has a great deal of difficulty understanding what it contains'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrfiUzIo4lU'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Is Zade a sock puppet? (Am I?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'this is the local news report that makes me question the official story of Micheal Hastings fatal car "accident" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ujFHr0ZLI8 you should question it too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aprox 41,000 years ago the magnetic field that protects the Earth from cosmic radiation was about 5% of current strength, causing a massive increase in the amount of radiation that bombarded the planet.  A pole reversal that lasted about 250 years or so happened at the same time.  The northern hemisphere also was plummeting into an ice age.'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'if that sort of thing interests you, there is a good TV series called "How the Earth was made" '
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Oh yeah, the little ice age'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder what the tides were like when the moon was 12000 miles away.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 35,000 year ice age is not exactly little.'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I was talking about the small one 250 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'And about the Moon tides, they'd be pretty interesting since the much larger earth is affecting them'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is pretty cool...a 1000 years ago or so the chinese witnessed a supernova and creation of the crab nebula....'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder who else witnessed it and wrote about it in their history.'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'would you go to live on Mars?'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and never come back'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'me - not. its completely boring place'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'but is it a good neighbourhood'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and people forget about you in 3 days'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I'm curious to see what Mars would be like when terraformed'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'well, its quiet out there. thats a plus comparing the saturday night in the middle of a dummytown'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I wouldn't want go go to mars with only a few people, I'm sure they will find a few people who would go when the time comes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Yeah, mars would definately only be a vacation thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yeah, you're probably right Malkar. they approach this thing completely wrong - they should try to send about 10000000 people there at once.'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'send the convicts. and terrorists'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and possible terrorists too'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but is there a magnetic shield around Mars'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'simpler to euthanise the defective humans, not spread the human disease to other planets'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'In some cases'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'i'd rather reeducate then, unless they seem like lost causes'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Sun is likely to be hotter in a million years'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecturing that the human race is likely to be mostly long dead by then'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'look what happened to Australia:) their ancestors were all outcasts. i heard that somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if we found a sufficiently earthlike planet I'd go there, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mars can't be restarted in zillion years'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Though you know, being banished from overcast, drizzly England to sunny, gorgeous Australia...'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'full of poisonous critters'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Australians say most White Australians are descended from decent folk, that the convicts usually went back to England at the end of their sentence (but they may be merely saying that)'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when there is a heat wave in Australia, cool and drizzly is okay'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWVw-j8eYSk'
T3/r7/2013-07-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'All these worlds are yours, except Europa.  Attempt no landing there.  Use them together, use them in peace.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'should moral be a compulsory subject in schools, give your views.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no brainer isn't it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari waves happily.
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'with my edu policy it is, can anyone offer a reason?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'cause i have no idea why it is so'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It should be discussed, but not as a separate topic, imho.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'separate topic?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There shouldn't be a class called moral.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It should be discussed in the context of other topics.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'such as'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'science, religion, social studies, sports etc'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'moral what ... you mean ethics? morality?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i am simply wondering why such a class is compulsory in my country. yes ethnic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'different countries have different compulsory classes'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'ethics can be a separate subject, but it would probably be a waste unless it's at college or higher'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but this is a downright ridiculous subject for primary and secondary, and I am not sure if it makes a difference in college or higher'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, most kids aren't ready for ethics. That's why I said it would be a waste of time.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'kids are okay with learning it, we just feel like liars.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You need some real life context and some life experience first.... '
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'because to score you answer stuff that you would be unable to do anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'like taking in a stray when you know you can't feed it. and etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can't grade an ethics class, imho. There are no right or wrong answers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'imho? what's that'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'in my humble opinion'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it is graded as a subject for some reason.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because some politician decided it was a good idea.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'well that makes sense, we got crazy politicians'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'read of Lynas before? new plant in M'sia?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'which is the point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The closest thing we have to a place with anarchy is somalia, try going there.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I knew the Fla verdict would be not guilty :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'fla verdict ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fla verdict is that the judge is corrupt'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al Sharpton is a bit of a crawler, isn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Melissa Harris is typical of female tv personalities with nothing between her ears'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSRnNC5s3Jw&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syrian Rebel forced caught with chemical weapons lab with ingredients from Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 3'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ahh so that is what it means'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not seeing much in the news aside from political hitpieces'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was so sad to see all the violence in those Trayvon Martin riots'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'omg, did Obama really say "Honor Trayvon with gun-control"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'wouldn't suprise me. He also said if he had a son, he'd look like Trayvon'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's good to have a sensible president!'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada circles his hands above his head trying to construct a halo.
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he did say it, wow, how fucked up is that, if there were more gun control laws, Zimmerman would be dead and Trayvon on a murder charge, and it would be getting fuck all press'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'People are already getting butthurt about the verdict.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, they don't like it when the law is followed'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're so used to arbitrary decisions'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'doesn't help that I live in a mostly black neighborhood'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, there you go, arm for bear'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'It's strange, most vids on youtube I see, people aren't reacting with instead of anger, but awe and disbelief'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why, are they retarded?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'maybe it's too soon though to say anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too early to say -what-, exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'To judge people's reactions. Give it a little bit more time, and people will get even more angry'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should we care about people's reactions?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps we should throw the constitution, bill of rights, and entire body of law away, just because Obama and his cronies are upset at a black crim being shot because he was pounding a white guy's head into the ground'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's perfectly reasonable, i don't know what came over me'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Zimmerman probably would have lost if the prosecuting team didn't focus on emotional appeal'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they had no case'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at best? harassment'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the police even let him go after the fact, they knew the score - everything that followed was political'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how many jews were on the prosecuting team '
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama definitely wins the wtfbbq prize though for tagging gun control to the debate, if that doesn't just scream AGENDA at people, then the whole publicisation of this, together with DOJ funding of the anti-zimmerman protests and a distraction from the warehouse full of other scandals won't twig either, i guess'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the defendant was white, so there's race bias before we even start'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how many options were the jury given: first degree murder , second degree murder, manslaughter, or only second degree'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Yeah, i saw a stream of a protest last night'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2nd degree + manslaughter'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither of which were appropriate given the circumstances'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the defendant was non-black... he was not white'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'It might be a good idea for Zimmerman to got to Canada for a year'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was white, VL, stop defending those white racists'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Only half white'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were there any afroamericans on the prosecuting team'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw at least one on there, zade'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(yes, dreadful, i even watched the footage, saw the evidence)'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(though not all of it)'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was the afroamerican on the prosecuting team a muzzled uncle-tom-type, there only to provide a token-image of (false) representation   '
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have their biogs, zade, the only political bias i saw was the judge'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the president.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'The defence team was pretty slick'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the jury was 100% female, which would tend towards a guilty verdict normally '
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was the main prosecutor (that botched the prosecution) a competent jew or an incompetent non-jew'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been found out again, covering up, using race baiting, making a scene as cover'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then squeezing it for as much political capital as they possibly can'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'man... its smells like a rotten bait-fish tank in this channel'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing left to come out is for one of the administration to somehow come up with an argument that the trayvon martin case is justification for higher carbon taxes'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade THWAPS Tigernuts for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every other bit of non-linked agenda has been pushed, zade, so it follows'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were there any afroamericans on the jury'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the jurors are currently anonymous'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all i can tell you is that they were all women'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sounds like a malfeasance coverup'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we are talking about a president that is willing to line the stage behind himself with the classmates of dead school children to push an anto-gun agenda... rest assured, the administration will make hey out of this deal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I thought the all female jury would fall for the prosecutor's appeal to emotion'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a one, isn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'families of sandy hook victims have also had the use of Airforce One to fly to washington for anti-gun lobbying.... AF-1 is MY tax dollars.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't say that! racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the prosecuter either deliberately botched the case or was (even deliberately) incompetent'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade, what you desire is for zimmerman to be charged under a different system of law in an alternate universe'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise, there was never any question of the outcome given the laws being applied'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG... are you being facetious with all the "racist" comments?  or are you for real?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm being extremely sarcastic, VL'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<whew>'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's something you see the left doing a lot at the moment, if you disagree with their agenda, you're a racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if that lead prosecuter from "Law & Order" were prosecuting, be a slam dunk for first-degree-murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zade... L&O would be one of the alternate universeses that TG was taling about'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't Zimmerman also guilty of paedophilia, by virtue of the photos of Trayvon as a 12yr old published on the news?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did he also shoot JFK?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was bobby, TG.... He shot bobby K.'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the scriptwriters at "Law & Order" were extremely innovative in interpreting the law to find reasons for convictions'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zimmerman, sounds a bit jewish, perhaps it's some kind of Zionist plot'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'A White-Hispanic Jew?! Wouldn't the Jewish guilt override the White wealth and the Hispanic passion?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'how was the judge biased'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'political appointee allied to the democrat party for one, and for deliberately interfering in the defence'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll have a tough time making a civil case stick'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'OJ was found innocent in a jury trial'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Yeah, this is a reverse OJ trial'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, because OJ did it because he was black, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at some point you'll have to consider the possibility, that maybe, just MAYBE race wasn't relevent'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the trial shows that Florida is extremely racist against afroamericans'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the abortion case in texas shows that white women are child murdered?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'murderers'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the glee start drug overdose shows that teenagers dancing and singing causes drug addiction'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are racist are likely blind to the obvious racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you had a better chance of convincing people it was a Zionist plot, after all Trayvon's dad alegedly is a Mason'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least you'd have SOME supporting evidence'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'speaking of which, are you jewish, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not even sure if i know any'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wannabe gun-toting, crazy supporter of the 2nd ammendment then'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i support all of the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though your comment implies that jews are anti-gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i am responsible pro-gun'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're pro-gun, yet if anyone carries one or uses it in self defence, lock them up? doesn't sound very pro-gun to me'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i am a socilist hawk (anticommunist)'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i've seen of your comments, you're a totalitarian communist'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i am a socialist hawk (anticommunist), (though decades ago i was a republican hawk, but then Reagan and S&L happened)'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you keep trying to claim you're anticommunist, pointing it out like it bothers you, yet your ideology seems to suggest that you're a closet communist, after all you don't believe in rights, you don't believe in private ownership of property, you believe in the arbitrary punishment of people outside of law'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're allowed to come out of the closet and say you're a communist, you know'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't shoot communists on site anymore, they elect them as president of the usa'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from what i've seen of your comments, Tigernuts, you seem to be suffering from dementia caused by third stage syphilus or something that causes illogical arguments'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i have mentioned are all views you have taken in the last few days'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you'd like people to make a different interpretation, justify them for us differently'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, was that a veiled suggestion of violence against a president you've slurred as communist -- is that legal in the UK to do that'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"innuendo" is a british word,  "finesse" is a french word'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's lovely, i've made no such threats'
T3/r7/2013-07-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Innuendo is derived from Latin, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cannabinoids do kill brain cells, but the brain cells they kill are called "Glieoma" or Cancer of the brain(Tumor). All other brain cells are protected and healed by cannabinoids. (Glieoma cells cannot tolerate the action of cannabinoids)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mothers give their babies a booster shot of cannabinoids in mothers milk to give them the munchies because they have to learn to eat. (they've been fed thru the umbilical cord and did not have to know how to eat.)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'wierd, weed doesn't make me hungry, beer does'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Cannabinoid System has been around for over 600 million years. Before the Dinosaurs. The Cannabinoid System is continuously evolutioning and has been retained by all new species. Food and feeding is at the heart of the Cannabinoid System.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, un biblical cord, c'est ce bon, oui'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cannabinoids are in every living animal on the planet above Hydra and Mollusks, with the exception of insects. Bodies are homeostatically maintained by the Cannabinoid System.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cannabinoids slow down the aging process. Mice that their brains respond to cannabinoids live longer and mice that have brains that block the CB1 receptors die younger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In the case of most autoimmune diseases, the bodies immune cells produces free radicals & is destroying it's own body as a foreign object. Cannabis pushes the immune system into anti inflammatory mode & helps slow the progression of that disease, thereby slowing down the aging process.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Seizures are controlled by marijuana not only THC, but non-psychoactive cannabidiol.(CBD) The exact mechanism is not known, however HEMP is high in CBD's & can cancel out the psychoactive high of THC & at the same time benefits the user or smoker. Cannabinoids control everything in our bodies including our minds.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Pharmaceutical companies are working at sythesizing different cannabinoid components and different types of strains of marijuana. If they can succeed, then there will be more choices to choose from and we will be able to use what works best for our particular bodies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cannabis research has shown that it protects nerve cells from dying thus could protect against Altzheimers and other brain diseases.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Our bodies make up marijuana like compounds to make us hungry. (gives us the munchies) Then turn off those compounds & we don't have the munchies anymore when it has had enough food. The cannabinoid system first appeared 600 million years ago. Food & feeding is at the heart of evolution & the development of new species.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'here'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah this is where you talk politics or religion'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: '/h'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'hello jesus'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'so this is where you been hiding huh'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'wait...who's Jesus?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'sissy'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'jesus well... we are far to far gone for that..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well if I were Jesus, I'd say, sure man, fighting evil for God is hard work, it's nice to unwind here, and fight evil just for fun'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'if i were no one i'd say no one forced ya, take a break and give some of your powers to others as well if they deserve/earned them'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'dude...everyone has the powers'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'we do?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'i know we got some easily overlooked ones but really..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'everyone has telepathy, and the ability to heal with touch, and clairvoyance, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but at a 'normal' level, they don't seem like powers'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'they are all covered shut by higher powers'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you strengthen them, they become what seem to be 'powers'...but really, it's no more magical than working out and getting stronger'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'not everyone has telepathy..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'if you can't park a car you have no powers'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I've found that a surprising amount of people respond to telepathy, even if they don't admit it or know they do'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and they can be below average, just like physical or intellectual strength...it's a variance like everything else'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'ok you just started becoming scary :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it's a fascinating subject to me, and I've studied it more than a little bit'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'i don't believe in higher powers myself...'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'all that means really, is that someone who uses the 'higher powers' as you call them, will still affect you, only you will rationalize a different explanation for what happened'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'look up Lyndon B. Johnson...the man had the power of compulsion'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'everything can be taken back to 'yer cancelled' the very next second so what does that say about powers...'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there is the glamour, which we call charisma...that can become a higher power if it is strong enough'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and oh yes, you can lose your higher powers if you misuse them, it's in the nature of how they work'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'but you said earlier, those highly favoured are likely to suffer the same.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well...with great power comes great responsibility.  They said that in Spider-Man, but it's still true.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you drive the big rig, you make big mistakes'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(ycch)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'sigh'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'usually they don't license the big machine to people who are going to fuck up much, but if you get to drive it and you cause a big problem, you will have your card pulled'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'so little ones can't make big mistakes, i mean..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no, little ones can make big mistakes, they just won't make a big problem'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'i see you are not no one Cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'look at celebrities who nose-dive their careers with bad choices'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'everyone can do that to their life, but when someone with big power does it, it makes a big explosion'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and they pay big, and they get smacked down hard...because they were driving the big machine, and made a big fuck up'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that is what I am getting at here'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'everything exists because of it's opposite side and life on a whole is far to complex to even attempt cause... for each single person or entity things change every other second minute or hour..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no, look at chess'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'true that'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'a multitude of moves, you never know what someone is going to do, anything could happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but it has a pattern, and you can influence it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'life is complex but it has a pattern, it can be understood'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and you ELO rating is what, 900 ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I'm not that good at chess'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'well, i was more looking at once moves are made have been made or have been forced to make'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I've won a game or two'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'same here'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'all I'm saying is chess is complex but not unpredictable'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'hmm yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'do I really need a huge ELO rating to say that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'im saying you can't look into everyone's household all at the same time so yer bound to miss someth8ing'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'basically, there is an infinitude of things happening at any given time, and the art of it is to arrange them from most to least pertinent, get the most pertinent things under control first, and then go for the extra credit with the increasingly less pertinent details'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'you may move a pawn but what does that say about the knight on the board'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'depends on the state of the board'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you have a huge wound, first you stop the bleeding, then you seal the wound, or stitch it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and for extra credit, you make precise stitches, and refine your technique so that you can work faster'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'but if you play on one board are you paying equal attention to other boards as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but once you know what is important and what isn't, then you can practice the true art of paying attention'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'onve move on one board seems so limited to me'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'one'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'and there's so many boards being played at and they all got their own aims and goals'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'right...but like I said, there is a pattern to the complexity'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'first of all, everyone on the boards is trying to win, so that simplifies things a bit'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'gather and dissolve'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'what if some are not in it to win...'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you mean, they are just there to move pieces around and look cool?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'positions and options..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if they are in a chess game, then you end them quickly'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you can't beat someone who isn't trying, you might want to practice your game a bit more'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'well, if i wanted to loose and look at it from a loosers perspective..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'sometimes that does tell a whole lot ya know'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'one thing never goes without the opposite of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'there is a winner and a looser'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well, speaking of it as a game, let's say this:  people always make the best move that they think there is'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'nope?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'you can choose to loose as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'this thing is partly allegorical what they are doing, but still...nope?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'everything is something'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you can...if that is the best option you think you have, if winning is out of the question, then I guess you can just tip your king and be done with it, you can lose in one move if you want to'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'a king may loose a battle but win the game'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'what's in that game lost...'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'what's the best thing you could get from it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'and that's possible at any given move inside the game'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'just saying, who pondered all'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the best thing you can get from a losing game is a lesson on how to play better next time'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'well, if you take it to a battlefield, '
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: ''why help a fallen soldier''
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it's the soldier code'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'another factor'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'codes come into play'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yep, there's a code for practically everything'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'life on a whole is insolvable'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'sex, love, war, art...there is a code'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you make the best of it, that's the solution'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'easy words, complex implementation'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'and i still want a time travel portal!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it'd be fun to have, probably...maybe there'll be one someday, who knows'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that I do agree with'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hethuri: 'nah this our channel haha without Zade overlooking at least'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'amazingly there is no Tigernuts or Chemosh here'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '87 percent of supermarket meat -- including beef, pork, chicken, and turkey products -- tests positive for normal and antibiotic-resistant forms of Enterococcus bacteria. Fifty percent of ground turkey contains resistant E. coli, 10 percent of chicken parts and ground turkey tests positive for resistant salmonella'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US govt allows commercial meat producers to have a certain % of fecal shit in the food that you buy, which is why most meat products have fecal based bacteria in them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grow your own meat, or buy from a local farm that can do kosher slaughter....it is better for you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The government recently admitted that A significant majority of supermarket meat is contaminated with antibiotic-resistant bacteria. It came buried in the FDAs 2011 Retail Meat Report, which reveals the results from periodic testing of common supermarket meat products for bacterial contamination and bacterial resistance to multiple antibiotics.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it must be interesting being a fixer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'yeah all that plumbing shelving and electricity'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not the kind of fixer I am referring too :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i know you meant like the professional hitman type right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, the kind that cleans up messes of other people.....gray area stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'oh for example?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like a client waking up to a hooker who overdosed on coke in a hotel room, so you fix it so that it wasnt the client who woke up with the hooker because he has a conduct clause in a contract.  Another client is used to take the heat of the overdosed hooker cause it wont hurt his career.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'ah i see isnt that illegal?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like I said....gray area...and things are only illegal if you get caught.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so you are a not sorry for doing but sorry for getting caught type of guy '
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why should you be sorry for doing a job well ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, US government to end propaganda laws?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would we tell the difference?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see the usual dumbarses on the streets protesting without knowing what they're protesting about or why, a-la occupy'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're protesting because...the fat cats...umm...have stuff and they don't...it's just not right, man'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some black dude got shot, riot!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wasn't aware, but the biggest non-natural killer of black men is.... other black men'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't surprise me'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'remember hearing the stats, was something like 93% of all murdered black people were murdered by other black people'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'blacks where?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'stat likely also holds in much of africa'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different demography in Africa, so very different meaning'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Operation Mockingbird'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'is that an allusion to a certain book'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, it's a real CIA operation'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go look it up :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'limited internet'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Operation Mockingbird was a secret Central Intelligence Agency campaign to influence media beginning in the 1950s. Organized by Cord Meyer and Allen W. Dulles in the 1950s, it was later led by Frank Wisner after Dulles became head of CIA. The organization recruited leading American journalists into a network to help present the CIA's views, and funded some student and cultural organizations, and magazines as fronts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'of course they don't do stuff like that anymore..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Grissom goes, "SUUUUUUUURE...."
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'George H W Bush ended it in 1976, but yes, it still goes on'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think tiger would like the tv show Continuum.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'particularly, MSNBC'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they basically have 2 entire cable networks at their disposal for it now, MSNBC and CNN'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to find out what else is going on, you might want to take a gander at this: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/new-investigation-alleges-us-military-monsanto-targeting-gmo-activists-and-1'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'do you guys realize how choatic and stressed people would be if they know everything about their country,like all the failed terrorist attacks all the attempted assassination '
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a pointless argument'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so you want to know every time when a terrorist tries to blow buckingham palace up'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if my rights are being violated as a result of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also depends if my tax is being spent differently because of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though you should probably know, no self respecting terrorist will target buckingham palace, it's not a relevent target for them'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If people want less stress, they can always turn their monitors off (or avoid silly news sites etc..)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'they are saying a terroist act will hit at the boy scout jamboree'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here? they won't hit'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'good they deserve it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a better chance of dying through lightning strike than terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'orders of magnitude larger'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what of dying in syria what are the chances of that'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends where in Syria, it is a warzone after all'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'homes'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'through terrorism? not really, through civil war and attrocities? elevated chance'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if we hadn't all jumped on the anti-Assad bandwagon and handed all this aid to the jihadi's, people might not be dying there'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now Sinai will be the new Afghanistan'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just incase you think it's all bad, here's some good news: http://www.wnd.com/2013/07/heroes-teens-on-bikes-rescue-girl-from-kidnap/?cat_orig=us'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'You pasting links to good news? Now I've seen everything.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much of it about, elf'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'There are no news like bad news.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder what the world would be like if corporations took over management.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that's what they do'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd all be shot'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'they'd save you Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hell no'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We would still need a work force to maintain the systems....so not all would shot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have robots for that'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, cheap humans cost less.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a little food, a place to live....that is all they need.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'robots on the other hand cost a lot to maintain.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty much what we have now isn't it? serfdom serving the corporate elite?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mor cowbell!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Africa would turn into a paradise without all the humans messing it up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'So would central and south america.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hildary Clinton may have committed perjury in the Benghazi hearings by lying about what she knew of weapons transfers to Syrian rebels'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hilary*'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I plead the 5th, and do not recall.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Hillary is full of crazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'the opposite of clinton'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and people want that lying bitch as president?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ffs, how fucked up are you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I'd take an adulturer over her anyday'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'WARFARE: A Race war has been declared...I blame trayvon'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'a bit late to blame him, perhaps?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, he's still stirring up shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, high housing costs was main news story today in the Uk'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, woman on the news whinging about the new USA oil rush causing the ruin of fight against global warming'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't they told her that she's not supposed to use 'global warming' anymore?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '?!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'climate change'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '10 years time it'll be climate pollution'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '==''
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's what it started out as'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a bit of luck they'll eventually pull their heads out of their arse and stop trying to rip people off'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, one could argue that the ones ripping off the people don't have their heads up their arse, as they're the ones benefitting'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could, but you'd be wrong, they're doing it from a position of domination'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they're not stupid, just with the wrong direction.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that doesn't make my statement wrong'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'like over here'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it'd be a little unfair to claim that, abe, as they could use pretty much any excuse'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if I can get the little people to all be worried about my misdirection and give me total control, then I'm not the one with my head up my ass, I'm the one "winning"'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see where you're coming from'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it doesn't help, does it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'head up their ass means that they don't see what's going on'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people never do'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the ones pulling the strings aren't that oblivious'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'where do you think i come from?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yo momma :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari raises an eyebrow at you.
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's where you come from'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari chuckles at your joke. 
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari chuckles at your joke. 
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you is from South Africa'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hell no!!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are though'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I am from SA, you got a problem with it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that is like some distance away, i am from southeast asia'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you're not Jopari, so clearly it's a problem'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Singapore?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'jopari's a south korean spy'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'm'sia'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Malaysia'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, some of us aren't American, we actually know where that is'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's spelled Merkin, get it right'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'uhhhhhhhhh'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no it's not'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You bury your face in your hand and sigh.
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Merkin, Australian for landing strip.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The problem with our power grid is the fact that we depend on hundreds of huge power plants.  What we need is a non centralized power grid that uses 1000s of smaller power plants to provide power.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but NIMBY rules above all else'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'at which point the combined combustion would raise problems for residents and pains for power company'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why have non-consumer power plants at all?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can build a small fusion reactor power plant in my backyard if you want.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'BOOM'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'do all of your neighbors agree, however?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or just the ones you get along with ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just want a nice residual payment each month for the lease of the land of course.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'fusion reactors can just blow up like a supernova'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, Jopari, they do that all the time!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hell supernovas are used fusion reactors'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc votes for Cold Fusion In A Bottle
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i vote for cold turkey'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'isn't that an energy drink, Abe?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, they might do that all the time if they were allowed to exist all the time...'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'out here we're thinking of a nuclear plant, kill of the rest of us not yet killed from Lynas'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you do know that there aren't ANY fusion reactors in production, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'having thousands of redundant power stations would reduce the odds of a terrorist attack on a huge centralized power station.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other the one in France?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'fusion ain't easy to create, sustenance also problem'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jop must've gotten some insider info, looking to get in on the ground floor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thousands of plants could easily reroute power and provide backup to the smart grid.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'redudant power plants powered by?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are no production fusion plants in france, tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fusion of course, get with the plan.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then you don't need terrorists to blow them up for you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on your word play, there is one being built in France, but it is a research reactor, not a production reactor'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no word play at all...it means it's not viable, and no scientist to date has EVER produced viable fusion power'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Kaboom'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true, and neither is wind power'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a research reactor which will be turned on and off all the time because we don't know how to keep it stable over time'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'windmills'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how long has wind power been in the dutch?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'have been created, easy to harness, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'to literally capture the sun? not so much'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, you need to do maintenance/upkeep on wind-powered electric generators, that's not "isn't viable"...'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they do provide enough power to pay for themselves, and they pretty much 'just work" for years for a ROI...definition of viable'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't viable as an alternative to fossil fuels for powering a nation'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor are they viable for providing a significant percentage of the mix'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fusion isn't viable for powering my kitchen'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'not reliable yes but clean'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the wind doesnt always blow, the sun doesnt always shine, and if we switched to nuclear power, the uranium that we know about would last about 50 years.  We need a better power source.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it is supplementary'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who cares if it's clean? you either have it or you don't'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't supplementary, Jopari, they have to have fossil fuel backup for all the wind power generated, so the net CO2 saving is almost zero'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're very reliable (in certain areas where wind IS consistent), they're just not high output'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then fusion, to blow ourselves to kingdom come'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not almost zero'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fusion is safer compared to nuclear fission.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fusion should continue to be researched, but anyone here claiming that they should "put one in my neighborhood" is clueless about the state of the technology today'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zimmerman was innocent, because he did not break any laws.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is absolutely zero in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'tell that to supernova and black holes'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and nuclear fission using thorium would last another couple hundred years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how many supernovas have you seen ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'as couble hundred years as in, that when we run out of thorium?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'do you want to die seeing one?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a small fusion plant on earth is not going to supernova like a star 50x larger than our sun.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when we run out of thorium? oil'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our sun wont even supernova....ever.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but it'll take a chunk out 50x less, which is just as bad'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'It'll just expand'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a lot can happen in a billion years.  We'll probably meddle'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ive told that for years - dig a hole, throw a nuke there, put a cap on and when you need the power, just open the cap a bit. like cocacola'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'we cannot sustain the thing, either too much mass and the resulting compression blows up, or too little mass and it turns into dwarf or black hole'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but they doesn't listen'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the earth will be out of the goldilocks zone in orbit of our sun in about 250 million years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'we cannot sustain the thing, either too much mass and the resulting compression blows up, or too little mass and it turns into dwarf or black hole'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'earth will be like mars eventually.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, we're gonna end up like Venus and then Mercury.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so we should blow ourselves up or implode now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you figure?  We are moving away from the sun, not towards it :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the sun will turn into a red dwarf in like 2 billion years or so.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we won't always, ri z'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how do you get that we're moving away?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's july, he's right :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a manner of speaking'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because we are, the orbit is getting longer, just like how our spin is slowing down.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'is the sun loosing mass or something?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'no just compressing'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so what makes earth go faster?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'its gonna explode????'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when it reaches uranium it explodes or turns into dwarf star or black hole'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'our mass'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our sun doesnt have enough mass to become a black hole.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then dwarf'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I think we basicaly make it turn in circles'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'sun is not big enough to become a black hole'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it will die out slowly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'oh phew because I do not want to be sucked into the abys'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'even dwarfs will crush you in'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'wait.. if earth was suddenly 2 times heavier, how would that affect the orbit?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the way our sun dies is that it will balloon up into a red giant and then at the end of the red giant it just floats apart, leaving a white dwarf'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we survive that long though, the andromeda galaxy and the milky way galaxy will combine, and then the stellar fireworks will begin.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not many of those'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i watched a lot of science vids:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'likelyhood of collision is small'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'too spread apart'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'fire works?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and with dwarf stars a tablespoon weighs tons'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'question. is there an end to space?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'when planets and stars cross'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont need stars to collide to cause problems.....during the process our solar system could get dragged into another solar system, or a sun closeby going nova, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yes and no'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'oh'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there is an end to space, yes.  We have no capability to ever get there, much less go across the boundary to see what's on the other side.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see our galaxy collide with the andromeda galaxy....'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'there has to be an end, but distortion of space means even if we had the tech we cannot get out'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'stuff in space-time is limited to the speed of light.  space-time itself is not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'what is a black hole?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'just don't be in it at the time'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no. the speed of the two galaxies is way to big for any star to find a mate from the other galaxy.. at the 1st pass that is..'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's the only place where dividing by zero won't wreck your work.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'a large mass that has gravity powerful enough to pull light into it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the black hole at the center of our galaxy is currently on a diet.....the atkins I believe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'wow you guys are like a wikipedia'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no. like youtube'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'has anyone ever been sucked in one?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're a mass-mind, like in the sci-fi books'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Chuck Norris was.  The black hole realized its mistake and promptly spit him back out with an apology and a promise never to do it again.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's why the Earth will never fall into a black hole.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yes. that black hole was the only one that evolved into a conscous being - just to apologise to Norris'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'Lol, like chuck norris can't get a heart attack because his heart is not nearly as foolish enough to attack him?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is enough uranium in the oceans to power 100x the nuclear reactors we currently have at least 10,000 years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'just not survive the journey or aftermath'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you add thorium to that mix, and it goes up to 1 million years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well sure, that's how those deep-sea fish glow'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'bacteria'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'no they produce a chemical'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You sigh.
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they are all preagnant there. thats why they glow'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You're overtaken by a massive sargasm. There's cynijism everywhere. Ewww.
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'hahahaha'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'matter antimatter reaction is our future.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nerds and debatrixes only laugh at math humor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'just reverse the polarities and all will be well'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'matter antimatter will be fine if you can control it'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'much like fusion ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i wrong move and BOOM annilation'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why we test things over and over before building a power plant that could blow up florida. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is why there isn't a single fusion power plant powering anything ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc votes for ARC Reactor technology
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if only'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really...if you have a spare $20 billion laying around somewhere, we could build a fusion reactor that could produce about 50 MW of power and only use 500 MW :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'why do you need to control everything, thats leads to pain and suffering. just chill. like Homer Simpson'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'unfortunately, the experts in the field disagree with you, rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if Simpson would have been in control of Tzchzernobyl, it would have still worked nicely'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We will figure it out eventually.  It is our destiny.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course by the time we do since no one wants to spend the money on the research...we will all need respirators just to breathe outside.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wouldn't say it's our destiny, but we will get there'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'eventually'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'z85 respirators or what kind'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'maybe its possible to build the moon ful of nuclear reactors. and beam the energy to the earth using giant lazers'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh dude. lets get stillsuits like in dune'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vampire just wants to drink his own pee'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it'll be nose plugs, VD.  Just shove 'em up the nostrils and nothing but clean air gets through.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, can i just store clean air from a jar of plankton?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'y not?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the plankton will run out of air and die'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and if they don't, your air's not actually clean.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'can i use cyanobacteria instead?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'theyll toggle to sulfur if co2 runs out'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'cmon lemme use my cyanobacteria for something :-('
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so they'll perform a nuclear reaction'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how are you going to get the sulfur in there, and more importantly how are you going to keep the oxygen and other breathable exhalations from the bacteria separate from their breathables?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'adiabatically'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and my local air contai mg es sulfur already, so no problemo'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'a little magnesium and i can get a resevoir of it  in the  water'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oxygen combines with practically everything.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'even hydrogen fluoride?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oxygen sounds good rivht now, im gonna go tend  my plants. laters hans'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a chinese woman died when she used her iphone while it was on the charger.  She was electrocuted.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'egg foo yung'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'electrocuted?! how?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, we should turn all meat into cooked pink paste.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we already have some of our meat turned into cooked pink paste.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'remember that pink slime debacle?'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all of it should be cooked pink paste!'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'only problem i see with pink slime is that it's treated with ammonia'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they should do white paste too, in case we have to dodge malevolently intelligent machines in our spaceships.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think if you could somehow go back in time and kill your ancestor....nothing would happen, and you would still exist, because a new reality would have been created where you didnt exist, but the one with you still in it would keep going.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'was the explanation "your neighbors like to torrent"? }:>'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zimmerman was innocent, because he did not break any laws.'
T3/r7/2013-07-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Deal with it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman was not innocent because he used the laws to commit a premeditated probable killing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'innocent according to the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but in reality, a fucking murderer'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the prosecution team was either incompetent and or deliberately aiding and abetting murder and racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it is their job to uphold the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it is the job of politicians to change unjust laws'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the prosecution team did not uphold the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'probably incompetence'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a nonjeew committed that killing, some may argue crass unawareness of the likely consequences, but Zimmerman was jewish, and thus was likely fully aware of the probable consequences of his actions, and thus was a premeditated killer'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yep and he got off scot free'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the prosecution team is likely guilty of aiding and abetting premeditated murder (if they only used an "emotional" argument)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, there be dire consequences'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God is observing'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'now that is true'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm. should aardwolf be 18+ game? because all the gore and killing, and poker, and lottery.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'such a fine debate it was'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Chess KING SlyZoR: 'nah'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You bow deeply.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'if you look at the specific rating requirements it shouldn't be'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i bet we get a LOT of fresh young players here if the 18+ would appear in all strategic places'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so advertise the MUD on porn sites?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'evony's already got that market locked'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'evony?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, evony'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you mean we have to google ourselves? what about NSA?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'some stupid facebook game'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not a facebook game'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but as for the original comment: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/03/evony-investigating-the-game-everyone-loves-to-hate/'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'sounds cool so far'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yeah, this article made me feel sorry about rising that topic here'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'what is the probability of an illiterate person atempting to play this game at some point?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: '100%'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we've got tons of illiterate players...just watch channels and notes'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what abe said :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Turie: 'The uneducated are listening to the media and not looking and thinking for themselves as usual when dealing with the Zimmerman trial. He should have not gotten out of the car, the 911 operator should have not goated him, Martin should have just went to a door in the neighborhood and banged on it asking someone to call the police. Al Sharpten need to just get over himself and realize that Martin Luther King Jr would be discussed with all that he has done over the years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah both Zim and Martin made bad decisons.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some seriously weird news tonight'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'go on...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Black Juror on Zimmerman jury excluded for being a fox news watcher'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Trayvon hussey "Jeantel" (What kind of name is that anywy)" warns Zimmerman could be a gay rapist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'excluded as in was not allowed to be on the jury correct?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'florida man wakes up in motel with no memory speaking only swedish'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, the prosecutor wouldn't have them on the jury'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well I would say that was a smart move by the prosecution...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zimmerman verdict has been hijacked by the liberal media/democrat party for purely partisan purposes'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Oh god, i heard that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heard what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'That Zimmerman was called a homophobe or that Trayvon was gay'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jeantel isn't exactly star witness material, she's dumber than a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and far more abrasive'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Because of double jeopardy, Zimmerman can't be sued for the killing again right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can be sued, but it won't stick'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Feds already investigated any potential racist lean and found none'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah those liberals really hate the rule of law. Anything that is constitutional or a right is just a roadblock they gotta drive around. Unless it's for the gays. Gay rights are the only rights that matter. Along with the "right" to be taxed for healthcare for the poor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'So basically prosecution can't do anything at this point'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amen to that, DS'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, they can piss and moan, but really they picked the wrong horse'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and now they've put back race relations 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only sensible comments i've heard so far are from some black rapper dude, and Ted Nugent'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yep they really spoiled it by presuming someone guilty before anything was known. Making it about race and trying to crucify someone to the fullest extent of the law. And to my suprise, the system worked and the jury made the correct call.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't forget tagging gun control onto the hype, DS'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and tax money being paid to fund riot incitement'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm not saying I'm a fan of Zimmerman's actions. But according to all evidence presented it would be beyond wrong to find him guilty of 2nd degree murder.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Nate Silver predicting the Senate to be taken by the Republicans in 2014, so it's all over really if that happens'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'double-jeopardy only applies to criminal, the family suing for wrongful death is unimpaired by it, and the rules for losing the suit are much different'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't win'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I'm just siding with Zimmerman because I loathe the appeal to emotion approach.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What would the family get out of a civil suit besides money?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'much like OJ was not guilty of killing his ex-wife, but he was successfully sued for her wrongful death'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't get much, he ain't a rich guy'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self defence isn't wrongful death'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '(was FOUND not guilty)*'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I thought he was donated alot of money'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's for legal bills, kas'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, tiger, the rules for civil suits aren't based in criminal laws'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'This isn't like O.J. where we KNOW he was the murderer either.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, actually we KNOW that zimmerman was the killer a whole lot more than we did OJ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'We know Zim killed Martin, but it was a justifiable homocide.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'even zimmerman isn't denying that he's the killer'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, not sure you can be sued for that'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know enough about civil cases to comment, but it'd be a bit wack'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know there's a lower burden of proof needed, but that's it'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well if the family wants justice. They may get it if one of these wacko's kills Zimmerman.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the 'protestors' want to calm down and go home before some property owner they trash gets pissed off and mows a dozen of them down'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, then the cycle would start again'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riotting and breaking shit that belongs to other people in the name of a fucked up immoral cause isn't a sensible cause of action'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he was killed for standing up for black rights, I tell ya!'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1st hand account from Syria, incase you were still thinking our governments are doing the right thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=msA35ATXol8'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If only Bradley Manning was black...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And Micheal Hastings.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Or Ed Snowden'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If all of them were black and gay justice would be done because the race pimped sheep would be on the right side of history.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone would think black folks are the only sort to ever be slaves'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, bed time, it's just a big shame, they shouldn't be protesting over Zimmerman, they should be protesting over the anaheim cop shootings, or the treatment of Marissa Alexander'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Bob Dylan's upcoming Bootleg vol 10 will be awesome'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'And the motion passes by unanimous consent!'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Do you think if we pool our resources we can get George Zimmerman to make an aardwolf character?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'his name is open'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'rock and roll'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems some of you did not think through the potential repercussions'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '.. probability of rash of "self-defense killings" in Florida by belligerent racists er muggers er dickheads carrying hidden guns ..'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Self defense is racist?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no, the legal system is racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It is?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some USAmericans are racists that deny they are racists'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it does tend to be'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'stand your ground law is wack'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'look at the penalty difference for killing a cute white girl vs. a cute black girl :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'your skin color definitely determines how your case is going to break'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Okay, it's just strange that this came about because of the Zimmerman trial. Which was not a matter of race.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'hey, that black lady in Florida got 20 years for firing her gun into the air'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or, for something much more recent, look at the black woman who got 20 years in jail for firing warning shots at her abusive husband, against whom she had a restraining order, who had already tried to choke her that same day ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah about that Cambodia, that case is not what you think. She didn't fire her gun in the air. She just barely missed his head and hit a wall that had children on the otherside.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that is who I was vaguely trying to reference :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some actions that are obviously racist in (say) Canada, are viewed by somr USAmericans and racists as "not racist"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'She was not in her house. And they had an argument and not a violent dispute. That is until the woman went to her car and then entered the home again to fire the gun.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and she was black'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Racism can go both ways. See how most of you just hear one version of a story and assume she was innocent because she was black. She was also nuts and broke the law and was proven as such. Unlike Zimmerman.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and she did not kill anyone, and she was black and had been attacked.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'She was not attacked.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he choked her'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Really?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I'm not assuming that she was innocent'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not use examples of genuine self-defense as an excuse to justify self-defense homicides resulting from premeditated stalking and hunting victims'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Family members said thinking Gray was gone, Alexander went to their former home to retrieve some of her things and when she arrived at the residence, an argument ensued and Gray allegedly strangled Alexander. Gray also called Alexander names, and said to her, If I cant have you, nobody is going to have you, and blocked her from exiting the bathroom.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'now, yes, she did go back and get the gun, when she could have fled. so could zimmerman. but he got off scot-free, and she got 20 years for attempted murder.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'aaaand there is the point'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is Zimmerman, according to his defense could not escape, he was getting his ass whooped.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes he was, after he followed martin instead of doing as the 911 responders told him'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'did zimmerman approach the guy?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that's what really bothers me. a law for one person and a law for another person...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That's true, but it is not against the law to follow, approach someone. Also it's lawful to ignore 911 dispatch advice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'martin had the right to defend himself...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Yes, but it's bloody stupid and resulted in an altercation that could have been avoided, just like this woman.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'As stupid as the decisons are that Zimmerman made. They could not prove 2nd degree murder.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not enough to convince the jury, no'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And that poor woman definately does not deserve 20 years.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i thought it was against the law to provoke altercation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Obviously her ex husband or whatever really did some mental damage to her. She acted like a woman scorn and not so much a criminal imo'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the provocation has to be 'in the mind of a reasonable person' which is open to interpretation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with premweditated intent rZimmerman with a hidden gun accosted and provoked (aka mugged) Trayvon, and the "self-defence killing" was a direct result of premeditation by Zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is, if Travon attacked Zim first. That makes him the aggressor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Did Travon attack first? Fuck if I know. '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he's black so he probably did'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's how it goes here'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is harassment legal'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is harassment legal'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a certain amount of it is, yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'He's black so lets assume he didn't. He must be better than white people because he is black.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thats also how it goes here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you said it'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hell, if you want to outlaw all "harassment", then 2/3rds of all sports fans are guilty'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'either way it's not equal'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'simpler to commit deliberate premeditated homicide in Florida: carry a licensed hidden gun, and provoke the victim to attack, appear to be losing and be in physical danger, then pull the gun and murder the victim in cold blood'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i though the stand your ground laws do not require retreating  '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'There is a racial bias element in law enforcement and the justice sytem yes. But it mostly lies with the individuals in law and not the laws themselves. Self defense and stand your ground are not racist laws. They just have been used as such, possibly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'true Deathsyte'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the racism is in those who uphold the law, not the laws themselves'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'provocation to attack is no excuse for attack.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I agree, it's not in the law itself, it's in the minds of people, which is far more insidious'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And there is the problem Cambodia, how do you put a stop to that without invading privacy or infringing on the constitution?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you can meal mouth your way so that you are within the law, but still racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its as simple as getting within arms reach of someone in an agressive manner'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'YOU CAN'T. :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'people just have to change...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And that is the answer for most of our problems.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'people changing, is the answer to damn near all of our problems'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some may argue that laws that facilitate racism are racist (even though the laws themselves are not officially racist)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I am siding with Majic here, it's in the implementation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'any law can facilitate racism if the people applying it are racist, even if subconsciously so'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So Zade, if we get rid of stand your ground. Would that cut down on racist crime?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and facts remain that someone who talks and dresses well is going to have the advantage over someone who looks and sounds like a street thug, regardless of the facts of the matter'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if a jew kills a n***** - in the USA that is not racist.  if a n***** kills a jew -- racism '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they are both racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'dont think he should be guilty of murder but some sort of manslaughter due to martins ability to stand ground'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but the law is sure going to prosecute one a lot harder than the other'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they might be both racist or neither, it depends on the motivations for the crime'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zade I think you have it backwards'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'In America only whites being or even being accused of racism is acceptable. Blacks hating whites is okay.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Wait. I mean whites are the only ones that are accountable for racism.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'although at this point, it's not even strictly skin color, it's more like Majic said, how you come across'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you're white enough, you can be technically black and get some of the white advantage'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zade, show me one news story about a nigger killing a jew because he was jewish. Or vise versa/'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'crown heights brooklyn'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I don't even know why you used nigger instead of black person either. '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'look it up deathsyte'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'think was blak guy killed a jew went to jail ... got out after serving and is now dead'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I will'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whites damaging n*****s: lipservice accusations of racism wih slap-on-the-wrist token penalties.  n*****s damaging whites: heavy penalties and heaby jailtime, and denials of racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Heights_riot'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but hey, didn't Charles Ramsay save Amanda Berry and those other white girls?  And he's, like, really black'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the case of the murdered Trayvon -- denials of racism - various reasoms'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But racism differs from reigon to reigon. It's really just a form of tribalism and will probably exist in all world cultures for the remainder of civilization. That is unless government bodies have the power to remove the inherent freedoms from the American people right down to controling our thoughts. I'll gladly take a little racism over that. Not saying we can't do things as a people to change things for the better.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia nods at DeathSyte.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'one day it may not be race...but we'll probably find something else to pick'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'We already do...I don't discrimate against race, or at least I try my best not to. But I do against class.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What reason was there to bring race into that case Zade? You know liberal media doctored the Zimmerman phone call to make him sound racist right? Because he did not sound that way on his own.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'a person with a gun should not be approaching suspicious individuals'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You say denied racism but that is a cheap race baiting tactic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and even a person without one'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But that is not against the law Elch'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'do not use "tribalism" (to attempt) to justify blatant racism in the USA  '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'an explanation is not a justification'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Not justifying it. Just saying what it is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no it is not but they should have the obligation to retreat'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if i tell someone "get the fuck away from me"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and they dont... they break the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So you tell me to go away and I have to? lol sorry no.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'harrasment'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it depends on how close they are'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'On a public street? Your idea of a law is far worse than stand your ground lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps DeathSyte is saying that muggers (in Florida) may stalk and hunt down victims and then commit homicide when the mugging goes wrong and claim "self-defense" '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whoever says "go away first" gets to stay...SHOTGUN!'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if i'm actually touching, you can tell me to get away. if i'm just standing too close, um, good luck getting me arrested on that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'err "go away" first*'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if they are in a position that makes me feel threatened then it becomes assult'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there's a certain amount of prior warning you have to give before you unleash'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fun fact: Zimmerman's defense did not use stand your ground. Just regular self defense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'So if I have agrophobia and feel threatened by someone 50 feet from me, is that assault?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the prosecution should have usesd stand ground'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'arms length could be considered threatening distance'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'On a crowded train, I might feel threatened by the thug standing right next to me due to it being croweded. What about then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's why I said 'depends how close you are''
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'exactly mathoran'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Depends on a lot of circumstances, doesn't it? If a petite woman feels threatened by a big guy that appears hostile and is advancing towards her, she might be justified in defending herself...even if he's still 10+ feet away.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep lots of variables'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The evidence presented leans towards Trayvon attacking Zimmerman, which is consistent with the injuries sustained by Zimmerman. Trayvin however had no physical injuries besides the gunshot wound. I'm not saying thats what went down, it's just that the evidence presented leans more towards that than anything else.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'who saw you has something to do with it also'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'CCTV would fix all of these problems. I hate to say it but it's true.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as a white in Florida: carry a licensed hidden gun, verbally provoke somebody disliked (those n*****s that wear hoodies) into a physical confrontation, appear to lose and be in danger of extreme physical damage, use the hidden gun to kill the provoked stalked victim -- claim "stand-your-ground self defense"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'recipe for legal racist homicide in Florida'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If you think it's that easy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I got a bridge in Benghazi I'd like to sell you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and make sure that the one you want to kill takes you down and bashes your head in a bit'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and prosecution would have to show provocation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I think that was the biggest problem with the whole case, on either side:  hard to show much of anything, when the only real account of what happened came from Zimmerman. Everyone else basically said, "It was dark, it was hard to tell what was going on."'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wait, they said what now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the prosecution merely requires to show that verbal provocation by the assailant was probable'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yep, one direct witness would have changed everything. No matter what really happened rest assured that Zimmerman had plenty of time to consult with his legal team and pick the best story possible. But even so the system worked in the way it should despite liberal America making this about race and damning Zim just because the person he killed was black.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'multiple witnesses all without fail said there was an altercation, one person had the other one on the ground and was continuing to beat (arms moving in an up and down motion)...one said she thought it was zimmerman on top but not because of anything she saw, just because "it was the deeper voice" on top'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everyone else was pretty clear that it was zimmerman on bottom'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yep Zim was on the bottom. Because really that makes the most sense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'prosecution never needs to only show that something was probably...they need to show that it would be unreasonable to believe that the alternative didn't happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would be interested to know what happened around time when first strike was thrown'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'probable*'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman appeared to lose the fight -- likely deliberately and with premeditation - simpler to pull the gun while on the ground'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'possibly'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Many race baiters literally wanted to believe that George Zimmerman was just so bored that he was like "lets go nigger hunting" Theres one! BOOM!'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'That's what I meant, sorry Abelinc. Just trying to get across that the other witnesses present didn't weigh in much other than "Zimmerman was on the ground, there appeared to be a fight".'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zade: you have a deep respect for zimmerman's intellect'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I haven't heard anyone claim it was an 'I was bored' issue'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'As opposed to, "Zimmerman was attacked first, got pinned, and at one point Trayvon appeared to be escalating the fight in a manner that definitely appeared life-threatening".  (Unless that was said, and I just missed it.)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Okay I exagerated a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'more that he was suspicious because he was black and dressed in a thuggish manner'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the kid told him he was going to die tonight... i would classify that as escalation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some serial killers go hunting victims for various reasons -- perhaps boredom, perhaps the thill of PK'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Is that Zimmerman's account, or everyone's? Again, my impression was that the specifics from the witnesses didn't back up Zimmerman more than in terms of a broad overview.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'serial killers are rare, the true specimens'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps that was not the first killing by Zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'no, the witnesses all went with zimmermans testimony. evidence supports it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'From my honest opinion. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman because he believed him to be a legit threat. Which caused Zimmerman to believe that Trayvon was a legit threat. And we have a battle where both people are making a reasonable attempt to defend themselves. Zimmermans not such a good fighter, pulls out a gun BOOM. Justifiabe homocide. If Trayvon had lived thinks would be very different.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'If it wasn't his first murder, then he's apparently terrible at his chosen hobby.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is why people raised hell on the prosecution, their witnesses confirmed zimmers story more than their attempted spin.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Acidangel, thanks for the clarification, and I stand corrected.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'death, you are more on track with that.. remember, zimmer is a neighborhood patrol in a gated community that has crime in the not so distant pass.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'zimmers grandfather is black, he tutored local black kids. how the hell could he be racist?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"serial killers that are caught" are "rare" or seem to be common enough to be featured on the "Discovery Investigation" tvchannel'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'fucking race baiters just got the idiots to believe everything they say like they always do'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'among all of humanity that exists?  yes, rare'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I think the desire to make the case about race is just trying to turn a bad/complicated situation into something more easily digestible. "He put himself into a bad situation from which a terrible conclusion arose." vs "He hates blacks, so he KILLED one!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I can say how racist he is or is not. Even if you can, does being a racist making defending yourself against someone of a race you have issues with make it a hate crime? I don't think so. Also just like homosexuality. Everyone is at least a very small amount of racist.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Acidangel: and at least one of the ancestors of Adolf Schickelgrubber was jewish'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'race has nothing to do with it, that is the point. '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'can't not can.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, the racism claims were on the profiling "why were you following him in the first place", not on the "here's why you killed him"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'profiling?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when Adolf Schickelgrubber got going, there was plenty of "race" involved'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'that is assumption, not fact.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'local crime wave in a gated community when somebody looks "suspicious" in the even and or dark time.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Maybe he matched the description of a criminal in that neighborhood before? I don't know I am just wondering. And him thinking to himself, "he this is a black guy, that ups the chance of him being a criminal" is totally possible. It just has nothing to do with the case at all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i think any aware person would be some what wondering whom that person is'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'acidangel: doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'sure it does.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'let me walk outside your house about 9pm and then when you come to find out who i am, i call profiling.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mostly because you're kneejerk replying without actually listening to what's being said'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'It is profiling...you look suspicious. I profiled you. Maybe I don't understand the definition.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which doesn't help a decent conversation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i have heard you excuse blasted all over tv for 16 months. i think i know your logic very well abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not my excuse, it wasn't my statement'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hence you're not bothering to listen'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that breastfeeding female (under diplomatic protection) was initially targeted by the NY police on a racial profile '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'so your speaking in hypotheticals? "yes" and "no" normally are statements.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not at all'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'are we now going to splice hairs on definitions?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Acidangel blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what definition are we talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'definition of "no"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I have made no claims of racism in any way shape or form regarding this entire ordeal, start to finish...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you kneejerk jumping to decry them is pretty silly'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'but you assume everything starts from profiling, which is incorrect.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, I don't'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hence you not reading what I was actually saying'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'profiling is not a justification to violate the rights of those profiled'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'again, the difference between an explanation and a justification'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Zade, unless you're an airport in Israel, and then:  game on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you don't have rights in an airport in israel, so how could they be violated?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although they say that our TSA goes overboard :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'go to Isreael - are you paying for me to go on an information-gathering tour of Israel'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Zade, only if you agree to self-identify yourself as a Muslim/Arabic male.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zade the question was who violated whose rights first. A citizen following you does not instantly violate ones rights. Even if it was the catalyst that made that situation happen. The situation did not legally escalate until the narative of Travon attacking first. Which is commiting a felony offense on another person. That person being Zimmerman.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman was stalking somebody in a hoodie'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman verbally provoked somebody in a hoodie'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wearing a hoodie is not a crime'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'it should be'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Things are ugly'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no it shouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how about fat people in thongs...is that illegal?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman, deliberately carrying a hidden gun, used the "stand-your-ground-law" to stalk, verbally-provoke, get into a fight, appear to lose the fight, and with premediation kill somebody in a hoodie'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Zade, everything you just said was pure speculation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'And I'd argue that your phrasing of "deliberately carrying a hidden gun" is intended to provoke a negative bias from anyone who reads it, whereas "carrying a concealed weapon for which he had a permit" wouldn't have the same effect.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think people should only be able to claim stand your ground if they were the one approached'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'he didn't claim stand your ground.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is no doubt that carrying a concealed weapon was deliberate (as part of a vigilante patrol), indicating a premeditated precalculation of the violent consequences of stalking and verbally confronting somebody racially profiled (n*****s in hoodies)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'at a certain point here, you're just going to see it however you want to'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you might as well take it to Stormfront in that case'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman was part jewish - not stupid -- so premeditated realisation the consequences were obvious'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'so being part jewish means that he is automatically not stupid...now THAT is most definitely racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but its what can be proved ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Zade reeks of troll.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the racist part is (the USAmerican belief) that hispanics are not smart'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'we do love to joke about it'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but having a hispanic last name does not bar you from any job in the US'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since when are compliments racist -- unless you are saying the jews are not smart, and thus unable to forsee the extremely probable consequences of stalking and verbally confronting innocent n*****s wearing hoodies'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'dude'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I don't think you can grasp what I am trying to say here'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is arguing like a jew does
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia wipes a tear from his eye.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'ok then'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I'm pretty sure Jews are smart enough not to drop N-bombs, thinly veiled though they may be.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you're actually arguing like a paranoid racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'which you can be, no matter what your skin color'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade seems to among the few defending the rights of n*****s wearing hoodies to not be stalked provoked and murdered by triggerhappy hispanic-jew vigilantes carring licensed concealed weapons  (talk about entrapment)
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and yet you are still a paranoid racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thats why smart people should walk away'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i research worst-case scenarios -- masybe not "paranoid" enough'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'oh there is definitely too paranoid, buddy'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'In Zade's America, any black person has the right to behave in whatever manner they wish. If you even look at one wrong you should be locked up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(in DeathSyte's USA, whites carrying licensed concealed (hidden!) weapons may provoke and entrap and kill colored minorities)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Crossroads" by the Cream'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Zade, welcome to America. '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Crossroads" is a song about whites lynching n*****s (caught out after dark) at the crossroads'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: '"Turning Japanese" is about masturbation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade covers his ears, and concentrates on not visualizing.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So Zade in your opinion how should our current laws change to avoid more racist serial murders like the one that Trayvon was so obviously a victim of?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is Canadian
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'I think you should look up the word serial.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe Zimmerman intends to do a repeat'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'paranoid.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not paranoid. facetious or sardonic or wary'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the hispanic part is likely to do a repeat'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but the jew part is smarter than the hispanic part...which part will win?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'tough questions in the mind of a paranoid racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Jewish guilt vs. Catholic guilt. Tough call.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'lucky for me, my Irish genes and my German genes only fight over whether to drink beer or whiskey'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'so then I drink a shot of whiskey, chase it with a beer, and they are both happy'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'of course, if I were Irish and Austrian, they'd be arguing over whether I should beat my wife, or lock her in a basement, am I right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no wait that guy locked his daughter in a basement...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'jews guilt others...catholics guilt themselves...totally different guilt :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think that Zade is a racist.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia raises an eyebrow at DeathSyte's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Really?!'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'He has said nigger in reference to black people more times than I have seen any other person do it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the "really" was more of a "No duh"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia thanks you heartily. 
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What if Zimmerman had been gay? Or at least turned gay during the altercation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you want to see what happens when a gay guy shoots someone, check out the movie Bernie'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well, that or Party Monster...really nothing, obviously'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade , a heterosexual, avoids watching gay movies
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Party Monster is the true story of Michael Alig, a club promoter in the 80s, Bernie is about Bernie Tiede who got life in prison for shooting an old lady, and another excellent movie Milk is the story of Harvey Milk.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'those aren't "gay" movies...now Velvet Goldmine, is pretty gay'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The twilight movies are pretty gay too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are those dark gay movies even remotely relevant to the Zimmerman-murdered-Trayvon discussion'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'milk isn't dark gay, it's actually just a good movie'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Maybe Zimmerman is a Vampire and Trayvon was a werewolf.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'homophobic, racist, and paranoid'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the main star of Twilight (Kristen Stewart) plays a heterosexual (miscegenist?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I mean they were both out at NIGHT...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I'm heterosexual, too, I don't beat off to those movies, I just watch them'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least the freaks (that Twilight main female character (Kristen Stewart) is attracted to) are played by a white (vampire) and an almost white (werewolf)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I have a theory that Trayvon Martin is in Valhalla right now, having an epic adventure of self discovery and redemption.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Kristen or Kirsten or ? (Stewart)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'his gay black vampire ghost is going to haunt Zade's house :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and the first spelling'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the newscaster that biffed it on the Asiana broadcast, she was white'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was Trayvon's girfriend of opposite gender -- if so, don't slur with "gay"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'YES SIR.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you're the boss of this channel, right?  anyways, that was a joke, since you're racist and homophobic'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'gay is a slur?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, the guy using n****r all night says no slurs!'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no, majic, not really'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'don't worry, xyliz, once you find a boyfriend everything will be all better :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you bad racists are using "gay" as a slur to discredit support for Trayvom'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'OK, listen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the person using 'gay' as a slur is you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'we can't discredit support for him from Aardwolf.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you see?  your paranoid brain is breaking down'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'im common parlance USA, smearing somebody as a "gay" is a slur  (worse than the label South Park "gay")'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you know what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you don't know anything about the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you might as well just quit talking about how it is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'really it is more of a descriptor than a slur'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'about the tamest way you can describe someone as homosexual, without using the word homosexual'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'which word is more offensive? Nigger or Faggot?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's a toughie'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I don't think you can quantify -- I find them equally so.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when somebody is not a homosexual, calling them "gay" is a slur and an attempt at character assassination'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But why are they equal you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It's only a slur if you believe that being 'gay' is bad.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'because gay people are worse than heterosexuals'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think that fanny packs are gay.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'seriously dude, you are just an unfunny ball of prejudice'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia thanks Dispel Majic heartily.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you're awesome, majic'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mislabeling somebody as a "gay", to play on the prejudices of others, is a slur and a character assassinationm'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'those are your prejudices'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that iamage of others prejudices, is your sick head, because you fill it with paranoid crap all the time'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those are the prejudices of many americans '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'You don't know what the fuck Americans think.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and when you give credence to it as a slur, you reinforce those thoughts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'You don't even live here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'You read the news and stew in your own pathetic fear.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'You can't even see it, and it's kind of sad, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'What if I just use nigger casually and not in any offensive manner? What I'm asking is this, is it the word nigger that is offensive or is it only when combined with prejudice against a black person?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some homosexuals like to tell lies and mislabel others as "gay" -- and many decent folk are aware and wary of this: homosexuauls are perceived as dishonest deliberate blatant liars (as a result)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'funny story...when I was in rehab, we were hanging out with a half-black guy who was an ex-gang member, and one of my white friends asked him if he could say the word nigga when he was quoting rap lyrics, and he said it was cool'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'we joked that he got a 'license' for the word'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'mostly it's offensive no matter what, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Like if I wrote a book called nigger story, but it was about me and my life. That would be offensive?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you were black, you could probably do it'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of you in this channel" most of your arguments are based on ad hominems, and attempt to attack the speaker or the victim with slurs and false labels, and on the brazen statement of (wrong) conclusions'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'most of your arguments are based on mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'zade is just a troll'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and two ad hominens appear immediately'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ad hominen --> attack the man'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'saying you are mentally ill is a fact, not an ad hominem'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'practically'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'what you should do, is for a month, quit reading about shitty things in the news'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in a debate the participants should challenge the argument other participants'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'find stories about people who defied the bullshit, and did something awesome...there is plenty of that to be found also'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'we've already done that, a whole lot'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'we didn't start off like this'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'get out of your hidey-hole, and travel somewhere you've never been, and meet some people you've never met'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you'd be surprised how people actually think...it's pretty far off from what you are saying'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and don't forget, you're going to die.  if you try too hard to stay alive and safe, you'll miss out on all the fun'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's real advice, not an attack'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'majority is not always right nor is the minority whats important is to find some middle grounds'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'way more people are like Majic, actually, than worse'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But my book would be pretty boring, but if I call it Nigger Story. I'll be all over the news as a racist, but with a new york times best seller.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'You'd get better sales if you titled it, "J. K Rowling is a N-----". Flanning flames of controversy falls behind epic name-dropping.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I have a question: What is more important to agree with a persons viewpoint or to understand their viewpoint?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'understand, no question'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'better to understand...you're never compelled to agree'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Much better to understand -- as a matter of fact, if you agree without understanding, you're a fool.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Now if I took my Idea of a rpg game starring trayvon martin based on the Zimmerman trial when he goes to valhalla, and I called it Nigger Story. I can totally see how that would be offensive. Because of how the word is used. But again, I would have made a game that is downloaded millions of times.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Chris Rock actually outlined just when it isn't offensive to say the word 'nigger'.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Understanding, hands down. Arguments/debates never need to (and often don't) end with both parties finding mutual ground, or convincing each other of their respective views. Whereas if both parties can at least understand each other's arguments, they can walk away feeling like no one involved was a total d-bag.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you aim to understand, you can actually learn something'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are many arguments that I can understand and still disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'one guy I met tried to tell me that The Doors sucked, and Phil Collins was way better, and I understood that argument: he was an idiot.  Also, I disagreed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I'd prefer understanding another's viewpoint overall anyway. Agreement is just...too easy, too patronizing. If someone readily agrees with me, I assume they're just placating me to shut me up. I'd rather have a long heated argument and end it with, 'Look, I see what you're saying...I still don't agree with you, but I really do understand where you're coming from."'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Well, sometimes I readily agree with people just because I already thought it through and decided that I'm at that viewpoint'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'sometimes the viewpoints that I don't agree with are really fascinating.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'and that is what people need to do with the topic of gun control in america. We need to try our best to understand the emotional argument for both sides. And then look at the facts. I am pro 2nd amendment but there are types of reaonable gun control. But I disagree with every proposal for gun control the government has put forth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the best gun control is at your fingertip.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'for example, the tommy gun. Almost exclusively used in crimes. So it was not unreasonable to consider banning them. Even more so for the the single barrel stubby shotgun. That was litterally only a murder weapon that was not good for self defense or sporting/hunting. Just for shooting people point blank in the face/chest. Banned.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'oh I talked about this awhile back'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Other than those I see no reason that an "assult weapons ban" should ever happen in America. It's unconstitutional.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I said, revolvers, bolt-action rifles, and shotguns'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'sawed off great self defence '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'A single loader sawn off to the size of a pistol? I don't think so Elch'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Purely playing devil's advocate here:  what about zip guns? You can ban virtually every firearm imaginable, but it can't prevent people from building their own firearms on the sly, and for cheap.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they have this concept, where you use a laser to create a superconducting path of ionized air, and then you can aim a lightning bolt right down it'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Actually, "garage guns" just by themselves are not illegal until they are used or you can prove they were conspiring to use one in a crime.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'like a long range taser, those will be sweet'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'apparently it is called an electrolaser'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I'm not debating the legality of zip guns, just their effectiveness and the ease with which they can be constructed. If firearms have such potential for harm, why stop at automatic weapons, high-magazine clips, etc.? Anyone can slap together something capable of firing a 12-gauge shotgun shell for a few bucks in their garage, fully capable of killing at least one person. If enough of those were to be used in repeated/mass killings, would (and should) the government seek to ban those as well?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'like murder, the government can only go so far in preventing it with legislation'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I remember your argument for "bolt actions, revolvers and shotguns" cambodia. And that would be unconstitutional to do such a thing. At least on the federal level.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'California banned all guns with larger than .50 caliber.  A gun with that large a caliber has never been used to kill a single person in California'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'so the two things don't have to be related'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well that is California for you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: '...larger than .50 cal?! Who the hell takes a Howitzer on a driveby?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they have the tarus judge.. revolver can put .410 shot shells in it'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'sounds like a fun way to break a wrist'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Guns are banned based on emotional responses by liberals. Banning types of "scary" guns feels good especially when you ignore the facts about them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'actually, there's never been any report of a gun over 50 cal being used in any crime in the entire US, ever'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I wonder why?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Banning specific guns (or aspects of guns, like high-round magazines) in general feels a bit like outlawing lightsabers:  it's not that they're a true danger now...it's that they *might* be, at some unknown point in the future...possibly...maybe...potentially. (Read: We're really not sure about this, but it's a knee-jerk reaction and damn it, this just *feels* safer.)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'No really, I really wonder how that number could be zero.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'agree with DeathSyte on why guns are banned'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Do you still think Americans should only have access to revolvers, bolt-actions and shotguns Cambodia?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'No.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Awesome:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that was just a hypothetical I thought of, what guns you could reasonably keep for utility purposes and reasonable self-defense, while eliminating all of the "scary" ones'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well it did work just fine for a long time, until semi-autos were invented and now used by every military in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I believe that we as Americans have the inherent right to be armed just as well as an infantryman. Anything that is defined as 'arms' should be what we can have. Special exceptions of course for people who lose their rights through due process.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if we were all soldiers that would work'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well of course there should be special rules for owning explosives like hand grenades and rocket launchers. But we allready have those rules. And their are still ways in which I can own them if I desire.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'anyways, freaking Commander Barcett gave me a mob that requires me to do the Snuckles AQ to get to, so it's break time for now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'stay classy aardwolf :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thanks, this might be the classiest debate experience that I have had so far:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I agree up to a point... That point being that some of the infantry I've known I wouldn't trust with an ice cream scoop, let alone an M4.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well we do have a line drawn on how easy ownership is of certain types of weaponry.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fully automatic anything requires a lot of red tape to go through and a heavy price tag.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'to get legally sure...just cash to obtain otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Right, but that is what an infantryman can expect to carry out country.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I haven't heard of many street gangs obtaining fully automatic assault rifles here in America. I'm sure it happens. But for it to happen a lot you need our own ATF to give them to a bunch of drug cartels in mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Riiight, but I'm going off of what you said earlier:  "DeathSyte: 'I believe that we as Americans have the inherent right to be armed just as well as an infantryman. Anything that is defined as 'arms' should be what we can have."'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'If that belief were to become a reality, that's the reality we'd have to deal with:  people (including gang members) having ready access to automatic weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'mortar shells?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Mortars you need to have mounted and usually require multiple people to opperate. I don't think they would fall into the definition of arms.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right I did say that earlier Jaffo. And yeah it's possible that re-introducing easy access fully autos back into america may not go over well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mortar is artillery'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'yup^'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And if you need mortars to protect yourself. You got much bigger problems then who the president is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'if you need semi-automatic weapons to protect yourself you still have big problems.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'assume US was being invaded ... you govt care if a US citizen had a fully auto then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I don't think so Elch'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And yet you assume the government cannot also be invader.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'no sure what the point is, would depend on the seriousness of the invasion.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'In fact Congress has the ability to organize militia, they may agree to dispense fully automatics.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I think the government would prefer that citizens be conscripted and learn how to use an automatic firearm.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thing is we are at peace as long as there are enough armament options freedoms are protected'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'speaking of...anyone seen the red dawn remake...worth watching?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'What I've heard is it's meh.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think we have good options right now. Once we fix the poverty problems in inner city america (read:never) we could afford to loosen gun restrictions much more.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And yes Morinon, that is why we are supposed to be able to be armed much more than we even are now. Because our own government can easily become the invader someday.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'The problem is that so many people don't realize that fairness, by necessity, goes against the law.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'think the country is armed enough to protect from govt'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Before it can be armed enough, it has to be willing to go against the government.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the current is pretty sufficient'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well in reality, unconstitutional laws are not laws at all. And those laws should be broken and civil disobedience should be practiced. You just have to have the balls to get arrested, beaten and possibly killed to stand for what is right.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And so long as those in power keep the people divided, they won't.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'A constitution can be as much a source of tyrrany as an absolute monarch.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yep, the Trayvon Martin case is an example of an engineered device to divide the country.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Yeah, I'm gonna say that the citizens having 300% more firearms than the police is probably a safe number. Not that it would have any impact against a well-trained military force, but that's probably a moot point.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'How can our constitution be used for tyrrany if they have to go against it to have tyrrany?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Jaffo, the thing is, it's mostly concentrated.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I know. About 20% of gun owners own 65% of the guns.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The American Bill of rights is easily one of the greatest documents ever written. It is a guideline for protecting our human god-given rights from government control.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'But I'm also of the opinion that a retired Marine toting an AK-47 talking about how he's going to go to the White House and "do what [he's] been trained to do" is more of an embarrassment and a tragedy than a rallying point for American's citizenry.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'It's one of the best systems of law, but the problem with a system of law is that it is highly prone to corruption'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Because laws are interpreted by men.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'So is scripture, and look where a few thousand years have gotten everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Obviously, but the corruption comes from circumventing the constitution, which is illegal. The problem is nobody cares enough.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tell the fairness of law to those people against whom it is used as a tool of oppression.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You can have a set of laws entirely constitutional, followed to the letter, and still a tool of oppression.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Or just poorly adapted or applied.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: '(I'm looking at you, USPTO)'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'd say just the bill of rights alone should solve most of our problems. Ideally, but in reality that is not the case.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'The bill of rights has not been in practical effect since the Alien and Sedition act.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well just know that the bill of rights does not grant any rights. It is merely a document outlining what government can and cannot do with said rights.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Its purpose is to limit the power of the federal government, originally.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Right, and it still is.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Please. The commerce clause is used to excuse everything.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The government is long overdue for a good "limiting". Any decade now would be a good time to get that started.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'we need to kick everyone out of power and restore the republic....somehow.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: '"We must do violence, this I know, but not how to do it rightly"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that would entail too much costs'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Violence isn't an absolute requirement.  Iceland did a rather outstanding job not so long ago.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Iceland's government did that to the banks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'they did Jhav, but Iceland is small and we're huge.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Because Iceland is the first true democracy, and has kept that going strong.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Maybe if we have a bloody civil war that reduces our population to iceland numbers...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Not likely.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no need for blood'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And we could have done it here too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Except that too many in power were subverted.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I don't fully trust a true democracy. A representative republic is what is needed to uphold our constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Greed tends to override almost everything else, including (or maybe especially?) a live devoted to public service.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Well, to be honest, Iceland quickly became representative republic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Agreed, DeathSyte. Fairly certain the Founding Fathers would chokehold the crap out of everyone in D.C. if they were resurrected.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or maybe they would be baffled by the advances in technology and applaud our adaptability '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Mmmm.  I have nothing against a republic - especially on our scale - but you really really need to remove the incentive for politicians to cater to big business, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Money and Power are always attracted to each other.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those ruling and mismanaging Iceland force-sold the DNA-rights of Iceland citizens, then squandered the Iceland monies on defective derivatives etcetera -- a laughing stock, not a competent democracy'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Citation please, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Mmm, how to say this politely, Zade...'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I wouldn't waste politeness so.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why bother, jhav?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade forces a gag into Jhav's mouth.  Ahhh, blessed quiet.
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Any river in the world would be jealous of the stream of nonsense that poors out of your mouth (fingers?).'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well, we could make lobbying illegal for one. Police aren't allowed to accept bribes so why should politicians?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'does it really take money to lobby'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Might as well restrict all money from campaigns.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the only politician I know of that had absolutely no audience with lobbyist was Jesse Ventura when he was the governor of Minesota'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And that was by choice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Jesse Ventura's also hilariously crazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think that campaign donations from corperate sources should be public information. So then you can look and see who the person you are considering giving your vote is being bought by.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how do politicians get raise awareness on their platform without monies'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Crazy maybe, but corrupt? Nope.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Yeah, this is the same politician that confronted a group of Navy SEALs and said enough dumb crap to get him knocked on his ass.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Or at least who is giving them money.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That story has not been proven to be true Jaffo.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'In fact it makes no sense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Hmm, looking for more info now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Some guy who is dead now put that into his book for some reason.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'anyone can write letters to representative explaining their view points'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Doesn't mean they'll listen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Lets figure this out guys. Lets fix America.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You think 5 people online will 'fix' America, when we can't even agree on how it is broken?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then they dont vote for them'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Quick aside: -"some guy", +"the deadliest sniper in American history"'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because talking on a mud is totally the way to fix america.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Unsure of his motives for potentially lying about the story, but reading Ventura's rebuttal now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Now I want to do the '300 confirmed kills' copypasta, but it's too large.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'who wants to work on the Lasher for governor pettition ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Heh.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he's not stupid enough to want the job'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'That would pretty much kill the MUD'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'No no, dictatorship works great here on the MUD. Not so much in real life.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But imagine a dictatorship America ruled by Lasher, with random updates. Constitution v3 and so forth. '
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ok who wants to be a politican then'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I don't want to, but I think we need less lawyers and more people from other walks of life.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I've used the word nigger far to much to have a political career. Maybe a mayor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tbh, the motivation for telling the lie is saying that "you can hear about my barfight with jesse ventura in the book" will sell more copies than "Hey, I'm a navy seal, buy my book"...'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'BINGO Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '"honest Ae for president" i can see it now'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Abe*'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as for motivation for the fight existing...the entire reason for ventura being in the city was that he was a speaker at a SEAL graduating class...and is a former SEAL himself (before they were called seals, underwater demolition team)...so while you're there to speak AT the SEAL graduating class, why would you be badmouthing them in the bar?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Because you think they've gone downhill? (Just playing devil's advocate here)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, he was brought in to speak to the newly-graduated class...'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I get that, Abelinc, but he didn't need the story. I don't see why he would need to use a made up story to add to the attention he was already receiving, based on his own performance in combat. So...what, he decides to add to his war record by tacking on some marginal tabloid story about decking a former governor?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Pretty much.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he needed the story if he actually wanted to sell the book'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: '...the best sniper in the history of the SEALs (and America's military at large) needed a tabloid-level story to glitz up his book sales?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'absolutely'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'why did Jesse Venura offer constructive criticism, the same reason that n*****s use the word n***** (different spelling) '
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how many "sniper biographies" do you see on the NYT best seller list?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade, how retarded are you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan glares at a swarm of ear mites and covers his ears.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"context" often determines whether a word or label is used in a good or bad connotation, and "relevance" often determines whether a "bad connotation" is used "reasonably" or as an "ad hominem slur"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I think it's more like "in which ways are you"...and it goes something like the poem of "How do I love thee, let me count the ways"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'personal attacks ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You're right, Abelinc. My word order was wrong. It should have been 'how are you retarded?''
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Jesse Ventura as a former "seal" (under a different label) is permitted in a bar to offer constructive criticisms on "seals" (jokingly?) (which may've been misconstrued by the author of the book) '
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade, please come back when you have learned to ask yourself if you might be wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well it is a bar story, alcohol could of been involved easily.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Also, when you don't misuse quotation marks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thing is is they were at a bar together with multiple SEALS and I haven't heard of anyone else speaking up to back up that story so far. I doubt they would have missed an event like that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'But, but...!  What would debate be without all the crazy?  Necroshine disappeared, Zade's one of the few left :('
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yeah, they were at a bar as part of a wake for a fallen SEAL'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'His grammar is certainly idiosyncratic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'It doesn't make sense either way to me. That a former SEAL would say something so blatantly ridiculous, or that a former SEAL would feel the need to fluff book sales with a blatantly ridiculous lie.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Jhav: I prefer lesser crazy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And honestly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: '"this one time this other seal was talking shit and BAM I totally punched him in the face and he cried and left" <---Bro story alert!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I'd take 10 Necroshines over Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan hopes someone gets nuked so he can move a spot on rank 1.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Necroshine, was he some kind of debate troll?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'not a troll, a seriously mentally ill person who used to play here'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I think he actually had medication he wasn't on?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Necroshine who?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I remember my brother used to get so frustrated with him.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods he talked about the government giving him pills to make him stupid so that he wouldn't see what they were up to or somethnig'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'With his pills, he was actually an intelligent rational person with an interesting PoV.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Sounds plausible.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Squamous Morinon.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Without his pills, he makes Mel Gibson seem sane.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I also think he was doing some pot or something on the side that exacerbated the symptoms'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of you are attempting to be "daft"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Can't say I ever got the chance to talk to him without the stuff about devils that only he could see getting in the way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'even when he wasn't taking them, he'd start out sounding normal in the morning and get crazier as the day went on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, not normal, but within the bounds.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade is attempting to be "clever"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Mel Gibson, he's a good guy, right'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So is Zade as bad as it gets for you guys? I don't mind him since he gives me something to debate with. I doubt he is the worst aardwolf has ever seen on a channel.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Zade, sure... An alcoholic bat-shit crazy anti-Semite, but...a  good guy. Sure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'DeathSyte, you like debating walls?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Zade concedes every now and then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'First I've heard of it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I've not seen that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I don't remember when, but it happened'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade starts from positions that aren't even wrong. You have to have had a chance of being right to be wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It had nothing to do with racism though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'type who ignore, does any one come up'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'There's only one person ignoring me MUD-wide that I know of.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And they haven't been on in over a day.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I've had yet to have someone ignore me on a serious level. Not that it would matter.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan cheers and sings... he is just BURSTING with joy!
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Someone with whom I have never spoken is ignoring me, but she doesn't log much any more :D'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'At least not since 2008, when I was friends with this loon trying to get me to drink at his pub.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'but still, I am like the Zade of fuck the police. Because fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decent police do a decent job'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Up until they cover for bad police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we need more good cops'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Decent police also protect bad police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'If so, DeathSyte, they are not decent.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'still wouldn't like to live without them, although I totally agree about the immorality of covering up misdoing'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'That's a sweeping generalization, DeathSyte. Any decent cop wouldn't protect a bad cop.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'a good cop would not protect a bad cop'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Good luck finding a good cop, then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Police are, at the moment, something between a necessary evil and a tool of oppression.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there are some'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I know far too many LEOs to believe that for a second, Morinon.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So yes, there are very few good cops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'LEO, Jaffo?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'You hear about police abuse over and over. But hear very little of police getting punished or good cops narcing out the bad ones.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'law enforcement officer'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'This is true. People tend to focus on the negative, and that is what gets spread and repeated.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'LEO is code for cop who is really into having authority and being an official and not a servant.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Ah.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what? no it's not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: '...not even close, DeathSyte.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'LEO is just code for any law enforcement officer, not just cops'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'It's not "code" for anything. It's an acronym. You're clearly biased, however.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm saying that is what they refer to themselves as, LEO's.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'LEO is a "bigger" term than cops, it includes things like prison guards'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And so, possibly, do some who see themselves as servants.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and the attitude here is not to f*** anything (except the fword) (incidentally, i asterisk out all those usages of the f-word to the less offensive f*** in the debate logfiles)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'I hear of more citizens referring to police as LEOs, than police referring to themselves as LEOs'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But yes most cops are more concerned with "law enforcement" than they are protecting and serving. And it doesn't come from bad people so much as it does just terrible nazi police training.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'debate is curse-allowed...you've been using asterisks all night'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade, blanking out swearwords is honestly more annoying than just posting them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Which comes back to my earlier claim.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Fairness and Justice rarely go hand in hand. The latter depends upon law. The former does not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'someone being fake and trying to "clean up" nigger using ***s is quite offensive'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Pretty much.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'say it like you mean it or go the fuck home :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Morinon, the astericked word is less offensive that the original word, and serves as a reminder to not use that badword in polite conversation'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why not just not use the word in the first place?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'That sentiment fails utterly when you continue to use it repeatedly in conversation for effect, whether it's asterisked or not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I think you mean 'asterisk' not 'asterick''
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'That was my understanding of it Zade you are trying to be PC. '
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Im fine with it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'someone who's trying to be PC wouldn't use it at all unless they were making a direct quote'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'complacency in a debate channel may lead to slips in noncurse conversation -- the astericks require extra diligence and act as a reminder to not be complacent '
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Or you could, you know, just not use the word at all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you want to make "fuck" PC, then you say fudge, not f**k'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'learn to spell.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Let's not apply logic to the Debate channel.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jaffo glances significantly at Oladon.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'zade cant F***ing great on gossip'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to use "fudge" as a replacement word is a bad practice, as eventually "fudge" becomes a badword'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if the *s aren't good enough to allow it on non-curse channels, then dunno why you think they're any less offensive'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade: Fuck your asterisks. Protip: saying f*** on gossip will still get you in trouble.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'If you accidently send a curse message to a non curse channel. It is usually forgiven if it doesnt happen often.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: ''frigging" and "frak" are often used as replacement, but "f***" is far far better -- those astericks stand out are fast to spot when rereading logs'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why do you want to spot yourself cursing?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'If you cannot guard your own typing of curse words, perhaps you should avoid using them at all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan hits Squamous Morinon's nose with a newspaper, "Bad Squamous Morinon, Bad!!"
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'If you're just wanting to find them in a quick search in logs, you can just search the damned word.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jaffo: 'Asterisks. The word 'astericks' doesn't fucking exist. It also doesn't fudging exist, frigging exist, or frakking exist.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Or freaking exist.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'this is not a debate is it'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to spot others cursing -- the use of cuddwords indicates that the speaker does not believe what the speaker is saying - so any line with astericks is disbelieved faster'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(cusswords)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're debating whether or not obfuscating cusswords with symbols is better or worse than just using the word :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Zade: so, in short, you are telling us even you don't believe the bullshit you spew?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well I'm going to get my fuck on. Believe in my e-penis!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'One last thing. When you say n-word or n***** all you do is put the word nigger in everyones head anyways. So you should just not be a faggot and a pussy and just say nigger.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Oladon: 'Actually, no, you shouldn't use either.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'It all depends on context.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I can think of a handful of uses of that word that are appropriate here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan whee Oladon is here
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'but using asterisks to hide it is, at best, cowardly.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Oladon nods.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And using asterisks to hide fuck on a curse-okay channel is just stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the previous applies to the Fword -- the other words (Nwords) that i asterick out are far more dangerous in public -- like speaking two different versions of English: private and public'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or its the way that someone chooses to express them self'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): DeathSyte just figured out that Oladon is an imm and is now going to completely change his attitude.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just like someone using G-d because they did not want to type whole word out'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'That usually just comes from religious belief, Elchanan.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hey xyliz'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why can't you spell asterisk?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when i philosophically analyse, i am extremely viscious with words -- what you see here is the polite version  '
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... so your words ... flow ... slowly? '
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes well still both are beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and zade should be able to express himself like he wants'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zade's desire is being countermanded by that expression'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Elchanan blinks innocently.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, Jeantel: "Trust Me, I am educated, I have a 3.0"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '... in what ...'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tea party is the american taliban....and the real taliban resent it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Pleasing the ladies'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Your heart drops as you realize that Saint Cuthbert is seducing Dispel Majic, not you.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why are the NAACP blacklisting black conservatives from their conference?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'because Uncle Toms hurt the message.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'If a white South African moves to America, is he considered an African American?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends who you ask'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for purposes of race, no, which means you don't get all those nifty scholarships and stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'that would be so wierd asking for scholarships, or filling out forms'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if a space alien landed in the US, would it be an illegal alien and deported back home ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'depends, maybe we'll grant it asylum'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they made a movie about that, called District 9 I believe'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, it was called The Day The Earth Stood Still'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ive seen district 9'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ted Nugent is spot on again, in a column he writes that Zimmerman should sue Trayvon Martin's parents for stress, emotional pain and aguish that their son caused him'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'No way, Plan 9 From Outer Space'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert nods quietly to herself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'seen plan 9 from outer space too'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'teddy is coming over to the ranch this weekend....we are going boar hunting with explosive arrows.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cool'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he can take time off his tour, you mean?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cuttin' out the middleman and shooting your bacon, eh?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_9'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have 380 tagged wild boar on the ranch....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how boaring!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are also about 70 tagged deer on the ranch...we are trying to get more of them....so that we can sell hunts to fat people with lots of money.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 2 day hunt on a ranch in Texas can easily sell for $2500 to 3000.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'didn't CSI do an episode on that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Just to be "that guy", that's fucking sick, bud. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Not at those prices it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Profiting off letting fat citydwellers kill animals for fun is disgusting. That's all I'm gonna say about it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'What if they're svelte citydwellers, Cuthie?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh well, its our land...we can do with it what we will.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds good to me, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Depends if they put out, Mori. :('
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hopefully we will get the ranch next to ours, and add 1200 more acres to the ranch for hunting.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you hold an allodial title to it, rizzer?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Cuthbert's just whiny because he's realized he voted in all kinds of people who profited off that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Eh? And who's that, Hans? Or are you just assuming you know which country I live in as well? :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Hans tends to make non sequitur ad hominems.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zade changed his name again?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Nah, he doesn't have Zade/Xyliz' syntax.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, a wannabe then'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Really Mori? I figured anyone named after a fictional nazi jew-hunter would be a class act. OH GOD, MY LIFE. :('
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'USAmericans gays niggers jews hispanice paranoia'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I am the real Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, I just happen to know that rednecks vastly outnumber everyone else.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Nope. You haven't mangled the English Language enough.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'touche morinon'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Hans: you know wrong, then.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the largest ranch in Texas is still the King Ranch....we will never get that big....it would cost billions today.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'wait...Chemosh was Druzil, and Zade was Xyliz...or are they all the same dude?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't hold an allodial title, then you don't own the land, Rizzer, you essentially rent it off the state'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'IIRC, Necro was Druzil.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'check out desert ranches in florida'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'chemosh was also druzil'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck with that farky, I would love to see them try to take our land, or the king ranch from the descendants of mr king.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or mr norris ranch which is about 2 miles from ours.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they couldn't take it from you except by compulsory purchase, but the lack of allodial title means they can regulate your use of it and charge you property taxes'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people who hold allodial titles can opt out of property tax'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the difference between OWNING the land and merely owning the title to the land'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same deal here in the UK, except there have been no allodial titles since prior to 1066, and it's the crown that owns the land not the state'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'agricultural land in Texas is extremely cheap when it comes to property tax....we paid $200 last year for 1600 acres.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Holy shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'nice'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not really the point is it? The democrats could get in and put it up to $200,000'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'but they won't'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Not likely.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says who?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'ok this is the difference between paranoia and reality'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'atually, in Texas they cant, because by law it is limited to a certain % increase per year.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Uh oh, the democrats are coming!? Grab y'er guns Billy Bob!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd pay $1800 here for under an acre'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they actually want to encourage agriculture'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the increase per year cannot be higher than the avg of the previous 5 years to prevent the law from changing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for undeveloped agricultural?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can they not change the law?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or is it part of the constitution?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure with a super majority of 80%'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they won't'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can change the law, sure.  They won't, though, just like they won't touch taxes or medicare.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no tax raising lib is going to get 80% of Texas vote :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you have to understand these things or else your crazy brain is going to eat you up, man'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will get 55 though'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah, Texas likes their wasteful idiot governors tax raising governors to be Republican.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, Taxes in Texas are some of the lowest in the country.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's being replaced with a guy in a wheelchair'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i think Ted Nugent should be the next Texas governor'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we had a budget surplus last year.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And uncontrolled wildfires because there was no budget to fight them, as I recall.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you might be thinking arizona, no wildfires around here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have Chuck Norris.  Why would they need a budget?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have been getting dumped on by rain the last couple months....it has been raining here in houston the last week.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Texas_wildfires" I don't like to use Wiki too much, but sometimes it's a safe bet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2011 was 2 years ago in a drought...the drought is over in most parts, except the deep west of the state :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wouldnt surprise me if we hit 50 inches of rain this year in SE texas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I wish winter would hit already.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Winter in Texas is so nice and mild'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the winters are getting cold in SE texas...:('
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'when discussing weather and climate, "Texas" is not a thing...'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'in NE Texas, it almost never goes below 30F'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we actually had a week of under 32 F last winter....hated it.....moved back to Texas from north dakota for warmer weather....but it was warmer in north dakota. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's with all the anti-texas sentiment about?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'I moved from Dallas to Austin last year, in part to get to a warmer part of the state. I hate that it ices in Dallas a couple of times a year.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'only 2 things come from texas }:>'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia grins evilly at you.  Hmmm.  Better keep your distance. 
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and abe is both of them :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'queers & steers'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't the idea that, before the neocons and democrats started trying to take over the states, if you want a different regime, move to a different state'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'An aussie chemical company is building a new plant in Texas worth $750 million to make fertilizer to ship back to aussieland.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Oh lord, lets hope it doesn't explode'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, we will let them build it in the inner cities part of houston....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Houston is so terrible'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'houston is one of the greatest cities in the US :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Probably because i prefer small towns'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the port of houston is in the top 3 in the US, and the city has 20 or so refineries and huge chemical plants on the coast.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good thing the winds mostly blow east...so we dont have to smell it :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, mustard is tasty.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, the first recognized american cattle breed was created in Texas....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'By 1870, 300,000 head of cattle made their way from the West to the railroads of Kansas, and thence to the stockyards of Chicago. On a Texas ranch, a steer worth $11 would bring $20 from a buyer in Abilene. The buyer in turn could ask $31.50 at the Union Stock Yards.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, $50 million is plenty to live the high life in the canary islands, with no extradition treaty.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57593953/bay-area-musician-attacked-after-dedicating-song-to-trayvon-martin/'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you like the revelation that the police were tracking all cars through auto number plate recognition and storing the info for 5 years?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I put a tracker on your car.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://edition.cnn.com/2013/07/17/tech/paypal-error/index.html?hpt=hp_t2'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this goes to show that CNN is staffed by fuckwits who cannot read a bank statement'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Continuum is a pretty good show, and canadian no less.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh joy, the pick for DHS head supports mass surveillance and NDAA'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it with these retarded female politicians?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'probably it's more to do with being politicians than femals'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'granted'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, at least she won't be a predatory lesbian'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you guys started it...london is the most survellanced city in the world....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is only one among many reasons not to go there'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it being expensive, overcrowded, polluted, a crime hotspot and majority foreigners are a few others'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all those cameras and they still never caught jack the ripper'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor did the illegal tapping of internet/phones/etc'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there's a new school jack the ripper?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'who is jack the ripper?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i love how initially our UK governemnt said "we were not involved with Prism", and now it's saying "Our involvement with PRISM was within UK law"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is there anywhere left to go in the world that hasn't been overrun by shitbags?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is prism the name for Skynet ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'federal court overturned an earlier block on NDAA indefinite detentions btw'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'you could go to a laundry. Iam sure there are no shitbags there'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so,who doesnt think the tea party is the american version of the taliban ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the democrat party is more like an american taliban'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'uh not quite that extreme'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, the taliban aren't quite that extreme'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts, are you trolling, or stupid?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i am, however, quite angry and very tired'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Then you are simply misled.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Because you are WAY off the mark.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is Katleen Sebelius likening Obamacare to civil rights legislation of the 1960s?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he doesn't live in the US, mind you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Honestly, if you want extremism in a US political party today, you need look no further than republicans.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'truly'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because....think of the CHILDREN!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're ALL extremist, morinon'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'No, not really.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all the same, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Also not quite true.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's almost exactly true'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Republicans are much better at playing the game.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'your brain is all extremist, tiger'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts, where are you from?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, used no food coloring other then the natural color of the meat mash.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a big club, and you're not in it'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Morinon, you must be new to debate channel if you are asking that question'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'The aristocracy of wealth has its fingers in both parties, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both sides seek to impose an authoritarian ideology on the public'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'No, Vost, I just haven't been on the MUD in a year and a half until recently.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is essentially why they're both similar to the taliban, it stops there - they're not THAT similar to the taliban'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'But while there are members of both parties that seem to be rather authoritarian (including, sadly, Obama), that doesn't mean that both parties are innately. The republican leadership, definitely.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should have called themselves the scotch on the rocks party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'The democratic leadership can't control its own party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that's irrelevent, both parties ARE innately authoritarian'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Nope.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, but "nope" doesn't hold'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Your statement lacks any substantial support.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than the last 8 years?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'The last eight years have been one party not playing nice, and the other party finally realizing they might want to try it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Also Obama showing his actual colors.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that got to do with the price of chips?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'More than your categorical absolutist nonsense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saying both sides are as bad as each other is absolutist?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'categorical absolutist nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Nice.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite it being accurate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'It's no more accurate than saying 'piss and shit are equally bad for you'.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of potatoes continue to drop, but the price of chips continue to increase.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Both are accurate.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Er, both are bad.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blame the american taliban.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'But shit is far more actively bad for you than piss.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so let me get this straight, "both sides are equally bad" is absolutist nonsense, yet saying the the republicans are the worst and teh democrats aren't, is somehow accurate despite clearly being not?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you can drink piss, you can't eat shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You can eat shit, I don't recommend it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dogs eat shit, and then lick you.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's dogs though'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Worst? No. Worse? Yes. That's a relative, not absolute, statement.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and anyways, the republicans are more batshit crazy than the democrats'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'On average, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'batshit crazy is often good'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no it is not.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'On average, no.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll take batshit crazy over authoritarian and evil'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'necon tea party members take a shit and make the american taxpayers pay for it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'obviously, you haven't grasped that one yet.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'then you don't know what batshit crazy actually means.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts: what if the batshit crazy is ALSO authoritarian and evil?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You are making a common mistake here, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You are equating one democrat (Obama) to the entire democratic party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because i'd rather my representative believes women can prevent themselves from getting pregnant while being raped over one who believes it's ok to detain people indefinitely without trial, spy on everyone without warrants, and withdraw the right to self defence'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama's irrelevent, i'm talking about his administration'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you are talking about having courage to stand by good ideals, even if it means political suicide...and you think that means batshit crazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I'd rather not have either.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'find me a decent libertarian democrat then'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Also, protip, the guy who thinks that about pregnancy? Also thinks that about espionage, detention without trial, and no right to self defense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be true, but that's what you mean when you refer to batshit crazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Although they will give lip service to the self defense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um, both parties seem to think that the detention is okay :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no, by batshit crazy I mean authoritarian and evil'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Democrats only opposed detention when it was a republican doing it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gitmo is a nice place to live.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what HE means as batshit crazy, cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Republicans are at least consistent in supporting it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh great, so democrats are less evil, but more hypocritical?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts, how do you know what I mean by batshit crazy, when it was Cambodia that introduced the term and I agree with his definition?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you ditch the fucking lot of them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I would love to, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, southern democrats support slavery.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Supported.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'off you go, then :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'they also supported segregation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Because I can just press a button and fix it all?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'support....just because you make $8 an hour it doesnt mean you are not a slave.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts confirmed for no sense of reality.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'hey, Tiger, how about you quit telling us to completely overhaul our country, and how about instead you go start throwing rocks at all of the CCTV cameras in your country?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you know, be really proactive.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i can tell you that you won't solve it by voting for the lesser of two evils'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I haven't been.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what you're advocating by implying one is slightly less bad than the other'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Although I still hold some hope of getting some intelligent people to reform the parties from within (it's happened before, it will likely happen again).'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someday when the corporations take over, everyone will work to pay off their life debt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Also, clean up your own fucking country before you lecture me on mine.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't, ours has been taken over by the NWO'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'courtesy of Brussels'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Oh, and ours hasn't, then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Pfft.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you still have guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You never had guns legally.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we did'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Yes, in the 19th century.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they have shotguns.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'oh boo hoo, listen to you, WAAAH NWO I can't overthrow my government, well Suck It Up, buddy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'or quit telling us to overthrow ours'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: '^'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you quite finished? :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Depends, have you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't started yet'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Well, that explains why all you've given is bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Perhaps you actually have something of value to say before the heat death of the universe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a wall to bounce off'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I mean, in a trillion years you might say something worth saying.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas !'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I support that if only because it removes Rick Perry from running for President.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'jesus no we cannot have Rick Perry running this shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rick Perry > you'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'no he ain't'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Rick Perry < dogshit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you a governor of a successful state?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'now he is batshit crazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'A success he has almost nothing to do with and is working hard to squander.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he's not king of a successful country, there is a difference, remember'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if you actually lived in a democracy, you'd know that, but you don't'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody lives in a democracy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'If you actually lived in a representative republic, you'd know that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, it was the gov that forced the texas legislature to balance the budget after we had a deficit of $18 billion'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia thanks Squamous Morinon heartily.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Squamous Morinon nods at Code Name: Cambodia.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shut up, RIzgoth, you racist'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he wouldnt let them go home until they balanced the budget.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't use facts in the face of such criticism'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Hmm. Well, it's nice to know he actually pays more than lip service to the useful parts of the republican platform.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these guys hate Rick Perry and their enormous egos prevent any recognition of work he has actually done, batshit crazy or not'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we are having a large surplus this year, so most of that will go back to schools, which was cut to balance the budget.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder how long it will be before the feds plunder your oil wealth'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he's not good for nothing, but he definitely should not be President'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree wit that'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has a gov that actually works to make the state better, unlike most states that have govs that only care about themselves or the party.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Based on that, I will say Rick Perry is fine, other than a few standard republican retardations, for Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Hell, I'm sure Sarah Palin could at least not run Alaska into the ground'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perry could easily win a 4th term as gov if he wanted to run.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Which is why they pushed through that utterly retarded abortion bill, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got that Abbot bloke who had a tree fell on him coming instead'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'retarded if you're pro-choice i guess'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perry isnt perfect, but he is better than most neocon republicans.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'he is definitely bad at not saying weird crap in front of the press'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's not much in the way of good influence in the GOP atm with the possible exception of Rand Paul and Ted Cruz'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'If you are actually pro-life, you are not pro-death penalty.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'If you actually give a shit about the unborn, you should give a shit about them after they're born too.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all politicians say stupid things, but it is the press that tilts how it is said to sound like something else.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'maybe...you think they should have the chance to prove whether or not they are shitheads before you fry them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'right riz...the art is to not say things that can be easily tilted'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Howard Dean was just being enthusiastic, but he was bad at not looking weird...so he lost it'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a fan of the death penalty, nor fixed life sentances, or even prison at all unless it's really necessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then no one would ever say anything. :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as long as we actually prove they're shitheads and don't run them out to the electric chair after a trial with an incompetent lawyer'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and then Kerry didn't get Cheez Whiz on his Philly Cheese Steak...that sort of ruined his deal too'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I believe in transparent gov.....Texas has one of the most transparent in the union.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Texas has some dodgy coppers, but still good compared to some'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Rizgoth: which is why when it's stupid, it's stupid for all the world to see.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Like the whole 'searching for tampons''
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would rather everyone see the stupid things and the good things, than just the good things and never know what is really going on.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't say i can get too excited about abortion bills, they're pretty insignificant in the bigger picture'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Agreed, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'what we need to do is do way more research into the reversible vasectomy treatment that they invented in India'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what we need is for people to keep their clothes on'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Perry's also in favor of the law (repealed by the supreme court) criminalizing homosexual activity in private dwellings.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that will not happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that has never happened.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you will never have a satisfactory solution'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost every state in the country has a law that makes it illegal to be a poopshooter in your home. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'wrong-o!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Not for a long time, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'wrong, rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, the laws are still there, they are just not enforced.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'most of them repealed them, the ones that may still have one on the books don't enforce it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'They have been repealed, struck down, or in some cases ignored.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'except texas, which tried -- witness lawrence vs. texas'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'http://www.wired.com/magazine/2011/04/ff_vasectomy/'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like how in massachusetts it is illegal to be a witch in some cities.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'RISUG -- it'll change the world'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And there is supreme court precedent to kill th rest.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does appear that many states do have a law that makes a criminal offence of "being black without due care and attention"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'That's not an actual law.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'all but 14 states had invalidated their sodomy laws before the supreme court struck it down'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'It's just how laws are enforced.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt matter about abortion though....they will just set up a network that drives patients to clinics on the state line.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I see a new business opportunity.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'The problem is volume, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'but it does matter, because there are huge parts that are nowhere near the state line'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Currently, doctors in clinics are performing about 10 a day.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'With this law, to keep up, it will be about 40 a day.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dr Aleva Kinga, niece of MLK Jr has come out in support of George Zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'once they get RISUG going in the US, there should be a lot less unwanted pregnancies'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and people will be bussed to oklahoma, lousianna, and new mexico'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'RISUG?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and arkansas'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'unless those states copy texas as well -- if it's okay for one state to do, it's okay for others'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt matter, cause there will be dozens if not hundreds of lawsuits against it, and the supreme court will squash it like always.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'squash what?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Honestly, what we need is a better option than 'abstinence only' sex ed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Because it's leading kids to have the sex they were going to have anyways, and resign themselves to having babies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you need is a return to values so that people don't have large numbers of kids by large numbers of fathers'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Instead of taking precautions that will reduce the chance of having kids down to less than 1%'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all it takes is one judge to say sorry, not going to happen, and the law is overturned until the supreme court can look at it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Bullshit, Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'You're asking for a return to values that never existed.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they existed'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Oh, individuals had them, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was once considered socially acceptable to have kids out of wedlock'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'But society as a whole only paid them lip service.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in which civilization did it exist in ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'surely not ours.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'including yours :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'guys'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts, you don't even understand your own country's history, do you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'this is RISUG'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'then why waste the money passing a law that's just going to get overturned?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uh no, my grandfather was a horn dog, and he was of the WWII generation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just as it's not socially acceptable to go around stealing things and calling people wankers'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'http://techcitement.com/culture/the-best-birth-control-in-the-world-is-for-men/#.UecUSqyG5di'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people still do it, and did it'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts, I don't know why you think that.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it's going to change the world when the rest of the world gets it'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and I think that frankly, teh thing that bothers me the most is that it's politicians overriding the medical community on a 'safety' issue.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'But small theft from 'the deserving' (IE the rich) has always been socially acceptable to everyone but the rich.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here the best thing they can do is to stop encouraging people to have kids through the welfare system and penalise missing parents'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'And calling people wankers has also always been socially acceptable to everyone but those who try to pretend they're better.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's your opinion, Morinon'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not one universally shared'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Protip: if you think calling someone a wanker is not socially acceptable, you're probably a wanker.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so you would rather have a system where the kids are blamed instead because their parents didnt use birth control ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody here has suggested that, riz'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Instead of a system that encourages them to use birth control, and thus prevents extra kids being a drain on welfare?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, that is what happens when you take away the welfare from families.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will never solve the problem with birth control alone'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it didn't solve it here'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'No, but promoting its use is a good start.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is promoted'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'How is it promoted?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How come India has so many people?  Do all the families have 4-6 kids ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in schools, on tv, popular culture'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'they do have a lot of kids'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the usual propaganda outlets'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'That's where, not how.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'did you see that birth control thing?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'so should condoms and birth control be free?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are free, kasnog'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Really? Maybe i don't get out enough.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'just think, when your son turns 15 for about $40 he'll never get a girl pregnant unless he wants to'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Are there any hoops to jump through?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Okay, no barriers.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wouldnt it be ironic if treatments for cancer is what created a cure for HIV'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'in about 5 years or so I'd say'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'So once more, how is it promoted? Not where, how?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cure HIV and other sex diseases, and the party will be back!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Curing HIV is far more likely than curing cancer. HIV is a single thing. Cancer is about twenty interrelated things.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Eva Vertes is on the curing cancer thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'We have found cures for some specific kinds of cancer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'last time i had any form of engagement with it it was done via schools, youth groups, popular culture, advertising in clubs, pubs, through health professionals, family planning clinics'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I bet her team will come up with something good'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Tigernuts: that's the where.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Not the how.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'advertising, association with cultural icons'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Maybe it would help if you clarified what you meant by 'how' a bit more.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'male injectible birth control is safer than female versions of it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'How is it being promoted. "Don't have kids before you're ready?" "Don't be a drain on society?" "Think before you stick it in?"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'did you see that article riz?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am the lawnmower man, I see it all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Code Name: Cambodia grins evilly at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure there's a single approach, but it tends to be the latter, showing consequences'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also they piggy back onto the STD issue'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there'll be a lot more unwanted children when men have control over whether or not sex creates children'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'More or less?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'I meant less'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'a LOT less'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'way way way way less'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think the unwashed masses will want to have this operation?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I do think that a good male birth-control pill would reduce it a lot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'because it's cheap as fuck'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially since it is usually the man who gets screwed when it comes to alimony and palimony :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'I agree, Majic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't be arsed to take a free pill, or use a free condom, why would they use a cheap surgical op?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the chemicals cost less than the syringe that injects them, and it works for 10 years and is reversible at any time'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'because you only need to get the op done *once*'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'obviously you don't know much about sex'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Ah, the power of laziness.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be beneficial, but that's no guarantee that they'll get it'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'you'd know why people don't use condoms, or take the pill'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'how about...government incentives?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as an alternative to getting people pregenant? no, i don't, it's retarded'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the boys can't take a pill now, and some of the girls lie or are stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Yup.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'someone I know, his ex-girlfriend fished one of his condoms out of the garbage and got herself pregnant to get him to stick around'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as of right now only the girl has to be stupid or lying -- if both the girl and the boy can take pills, then they both have to be stupid about it/lying/or desiring a child.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stupid is nearer the mark than all of the other arguments going'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stupid and/or lazy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'guys don't use condoms, because they don't always have one when they are going to fuck, and if you are going to fuck you are not going to go to the store first and get a condom, it doesn't work like that'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and frankly I've heard a lot more ditzy teenage girls who want 'a baby to love them' than similar boys.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'and well, shit happens with the pill'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see previous, cambodia'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'like I said, you really don't have much sex obviously'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'men just want to get laid, we really do not, in our hearts, want to put unwanted children in the world'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bromine'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'anyways, it'll be simple, you turn 15, your parents drive you to the doctor, you get your operation, just like you get your shots or check up or whatever, it's quick and easy, and then you're sterile until you want to have kids with someone'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'then you go back to the doctor, get it reversed, good to go'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's the future, when this comes out, I guarantee it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now you're relying on the parents not being shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there's a lot more parents who don't want their 15yo having children than otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the vast majority of unwanted pregnancies arise from communities where the parents or the kids are shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it'd be better than now, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better yes, panacea, no'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, just make it a part of the selective service registration.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if you require it it'll never pass -- too many 'contraceptives encourage our children to hate Jesus' voters'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'offer men $50 each to get it done'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'take the average cost of an unwanted child to the government, divide that number by 4, and offer that much money to families that take their kid to get the operation done'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'heh, nuts, there's a place in CA that was offering confirmed druggies a significant sum to get their tubes tied'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'properly setup and policed, it's a good idea'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there were howls of racism from all over the place'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though probably shouldn't give it to the over 50s'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$10,000....it worked...then years later they sued the person doing it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'because ... more of their clients were minorities than otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well those howls of racism should have had their sources set on fire and asked politely to leave the country'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fake bullshit racism shit is my pet peeve of the week'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'btw, it was 300 bucks, for either long term birth control or sterilization, your choice'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our prisons would havve 2x as many people if not for abortion and bc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the problem is that when you put $10,000 on one side, and your future family on the other, when you are on drugs that scale tips *WAY* differently than when you get sober'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, this one I'm thinking of paid them 300 -- if you chose for an implant/iud, you'd get paid 100 now, 100 in six months, and 100 in a year, assuming it's still in'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your prisons would be almost empty if you stopped imprisoning people with 3strikes for having pot, or for being black'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'violent crime has been dropping in most parts of the US for the last 30 years....some places like Chicago it is going up.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'funny story:  I heard that in Ancient Rome, there was a relative of the fennel plant that was a *very* effective contraceptive...and now it is extinct, because they harvested *all* of it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are other plants like that, cambodia, but they can make you permanently sterile'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Honestly, I support removing jail time for drug abuse.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'me too buddy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Damned for-profit prison system.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i support removing jail time for almost all non-violent crime'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Suddenly there's money to lobby for stricter sentencing for crimes!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'oh the whole justice system is a racket, that is a messed up thing to be sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas had to close down 3 prisons in the last couple of years because of a lack of prisoners...:p'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Sounds good to me, Rizgoth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'That is an industry that should be falling apart.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'A pity we have no frontier.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'if the cops did their job well, they'd be putting themselves out of work...which is the problem'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'the problem is that they know it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ain't off scott free yet, rizzer, your lot is still threatening to send a teenager down for 10 years for jokingly say he was going to go to a school and shoot up some kinds on an online game'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is having a really hard time keeping prisons staffed also, because the energy companies pay 2-3x better than the state does, and energy jobs are only marginally more dangerous.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an anonymous rich guy put up the $500k bail for the kid.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'That rich guy is awesome.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that shows there are good people out there, but the fact is he shouldn't have had to'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'We're coming to the point where the idiocy of zero tolerance is plain for all to see.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you really think the kid is going to go to jail?  Never going to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was already in jail'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'America just has too much pride to back down from the policy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pending trial'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only because he couldnt afford the bail, he said he was going to murder people on facebook.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'joke or not, he shouldnt have done it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he didnt say he was thinking of doing it, he said he was going to do it.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what I read, it was on the chat part of an online game and he said he was going to an elementary school to shoot up some kids J/Kidding'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he shouldn't have done it, and hauling him off and having him spend the night at the police station and scaring the shit out of him would be totally appropriate'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's like me saying on here "I'm going to rape yo momma - just kidding, i'm not really"'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'Majic: I agree. Jailing him for ten years, not so much.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possibly some sort of community service'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he isnt going to get 10 years, because the power is with the judge.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'a lot of problems in the US comes from the mistaken belief that profiling works.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the judge will sentence him to time served, and to community service.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: 'come, even.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'he's already been in jail for months, and he shouldn't have been. there was no reason whatsoever to post that kind of bail in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Nobody is safer for this.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's what happens when you have overbearing security rules from a centralised government'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which all come about because of your own foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to NATO!'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has nothing to do with nato'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has to do with profit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Squamous Morinon: '^'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was being more polite than saying USA/UK, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still has nothing to do with govt, everything that govt passes is for profit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we all disagree with it (except maybe you) yet it's still done in our name'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someone wins, and someone loses'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'military industrial complex basically is the government'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with overt champions in both camps, but most notably the neocons in the GOP'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, it is companies like Boeing, or Mcdonnel douglas etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2 of many'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the criminal justice industrial complex is the 3 big prison corporations....1 of which controls 40% of state and federal prisons in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BAE, Finnsmechanica, godknows how many military corps in Virginia'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 25% country wide.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that one of the biggest contractors preparing to be involved in Obamacare is a british company called "Serco", screwing up public services for 20 years?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is 1 large multi national corporation that you rarely hear about....BASF'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they have their mitts in 100s of companies.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hear about them poisoning shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from time to time'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'BASF is the largest chemical conglomerate in the whole world...but most people have no clue'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i knew, i claim points'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everything you buy, has a BASF chemical in it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it is also a German company...'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dates back to pre ww2, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1865, apparently, I recalled it because it was titled IG Farben during WW2 and made the gas that wipe out all those jews'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'BASF wants do GMO potato trials in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder why they changed the name :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can fuck off, though they've been buying off many members of parliament here to try and lift the ban'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'BASF also owns Bayer Pharmaceuticals'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'officially, BASF does about $80 billion in business each year, but unofficially it is closer to $300 billion and growing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'BASF is trying to buy Monsanto.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in a hostile takeover.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i thought basf did cassette tapes'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Montsanto's days are numbered anyway, public opinion is turning against them'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto is not just gmo foods.....its roundup weedkiller is the most popular chemical in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, and people are turning on that, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'BASF wants roundup.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i was advising them, i'd say leave it a couple of years, i'm predicting a drop in Montsanto's stock price :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I am sure BASF also wants the $ billions each year that monsanto gets from the HFCS subsidy in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now that weeds are fast becoming resistant to their chemicals and overall chemical use on Montsanto crops is now HIGHER than for regular seeds'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should end that'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all you do it chance one little chemical in roundup and you have another 10 years of new use.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is change'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and all the time damaging the ecosystem, it's ecoterrorism'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, it is profit....that is the only thing big corporations care about.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, to the detriment of us all'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'that's what a corporation is made for'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the clean room of the building site of jw space telescope is empty, there is noone there. all asleep. and heck, they keep the lights on. who's gonna pay for that?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and they apologize in advance if the webcam is not working. i smell aliens'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so the nazis found dna from jesus and decided to clone jesus to haness his power and destroy God, and the world for a new 4th reich.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sure, the nazis had the technology to clone ppl?'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, but they got the dna from the original cross that jesus was cruicified on, cause the church protected it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sure, but the clones had a terrible habit of bad language -- every third word out of their mouth was a curse'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and yet, the guy who lost his temper and pushed one out the window was arrested for making an obscene clone fall'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth can be seen at the top of a clock tower. What's he up to?
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'seems to me all the clones were obscene'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-07-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Rizgoth, do you see a DeLorean race towards you? How's the weather?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Looking for a challenger...'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Dost any mortal dare challenge me?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'anime or normal shows ? which one wins?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Normal reigns supreme. Anime is horribly unrealistic.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Anime is the curse of intellectuality. It only destroys our minds.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: '555'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'institutionalized racism does not exist in America anymore. All racism lies with the individuals now, some of which may be in positions of legal power like judges.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'depends on how you define an institution.  institutions can't make decisions on their own.  one way or another, there's still an individual behind it'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mm, nice to come home to some good old fashioned racism'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evening homies, howdy niggas'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hey balls'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another day, more revelations of impropriety by the US administration'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's becoming passe'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nice to see Detroit getting in on the Eurozone act by declaring bankruptcy'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare reccommends mandatory hiv testing of all people between 15 and 65 years of age'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'might not be a bad idea'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want the government to have a database of the blood types of everyone between those ages?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'along with knowledge of what they take'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about they "offer" a hiv test?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well people should know if they are hiv +'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds a bit like my local doctors trying to make me attend an asthma clinic, saying it's voluntary, then getting all snotty when i choose not to go'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think people probably WOULD know if they were hiv +'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not unless they get tested'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's HIV, not the common cold'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'It's HIV, not AIDS'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm its deadly and you dont just get over it'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You want to catch it before it gets to that point'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the point is that it doesn't spread through the air'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it spreads via sex or contaminated blood products/needles'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'and people have lots of sex'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'probably some people doing it right now'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so because people have lots of sex, everyone MUST have a test?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make it available free for those who want it, then the paranoid and the promiscuous can have it'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'my point is that you don't just say "people would know if they had it".'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people would know if they have had the opportunity to catch it'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'because most don't until it's too late, unless they get tested'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is sounding like a song from Team America'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '95% of the adult population have had the opportunity to catch it'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well if people that had it knew there would be less chance if it spreading'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '95% of the population have not had an opportunity to catch it'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Even if someone's in a monagamous relationship, most people can't 100% guarantee that their partner is'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they're worried, they can go get a test'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If we took that stance with polio in the 60's, we'd still have hundreds of thousands of people dying today.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'polio is not hiv'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'polio is an infectious disease, hiv is not'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'um, yes it is'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'completely different infection vectors, leinei'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'it's an opportunistic pathogen'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'it's not a primary pathogen, but it's still an infectious disease'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot equate the two'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'why not?  it's caused by a virus, just like HIV'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'the polioVIRUS'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so is a slow computer'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is hiv vaccine'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei pats Tigernuts on his head.
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no*'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hiv does not cause epidemics because of it's infection vector'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'arent there cases of people that had hiv knowingly transmit it to another person and then get charged with manslaughter'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spread of hiv can be halted in it's tracks through education'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is no vaccine for hiv that i have heard of'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should be given the same treatment as other STDS, information, teaching in schools, and free tests to anyone who wants them'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there has been cases of people getting cut with hiv knife and then taking hiv meds and it does not take hold'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an enforced blanket test of the whole population is pointless, breaches peoples rights, and is stupidly costly'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's been lots of clinical trials with several vaccines that have shown efficacy'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why are you talking about blanket tests'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because that's what is being called for'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'There's an FDA-approved drug on the market right now that reduces the risk of catching HIV'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was how the conversation opened :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Don't remember what it's called'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Truvada.  Believed to result in a 99% reduction in contracting HIV in high-risk individuals'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vK5UkZrPcc&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jeantel, "a smart cookie", or "dumber than a box of rocks"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I seen her on Piers Morgan, talking about how you are not in danger when you are catching an "ass whoopin" and....I totally get what she was talking about.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that depends what side of an ass whoopin' you're on'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Even though Zim's self defense was proven justified in court. Chances are that Travon was just gonna whoop his ass and not kill him....maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a wafer thin argument'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i was getting beaten up, i'd be in fear for my life'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably about as likely as Dr. Dre coming out in a PSA saying Thug Life is a terrible thing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consequently if i was armed, i'd damn well use it, though i'd probably aim for somewhere less likely to kill'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly an exact science though'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in such a situation, you would be very unlikely to aim and even less likely to be given the time to aim.  Unless your assailant had no clue you had a gun, which seems really absurd given the closeness of the MMA action.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'also, in this day and age, young black men seem to have this weird notion that EVERYBODY is packing heat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'including them, usually'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'especially them, given their propensity towards gangbanging.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'brick-and-mortar stores are hacking into your smartphone to figure out where in the store you are.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not with me they won't be'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not in the store! Also my cell phone is off and in a different location..'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and not registered to me..'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada circles his hands above his head trying to construct a halo.
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have a smartphone ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suck it up, mofo!'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, the phones are optional in some places.  They're also using their digital security camaras to pinpoint (down to mere inches) where you are.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could do that forever'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Since I am highly resistant to buying anything that isn't a book, it probably won't help them much anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'spam's pretty cheap, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, A young Norwegian woman has been sentenced to 16 months in jail after she reported a rape in Dubai.The 25-year-old was in the United Arab Emirates on a business trip when she was raped and reported the assault to the local police.Dubai police did not believe her, and instead took her passport and jailed her on suspicion of having had sex outside marriage.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our 'masters' are allied with them'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'suckers walk, money talks, but you can't touch my 3-lock box!'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best way to solve the middle east is to arm the women'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hasn't the Taliban and Al Qaeda been doing so for last half-decade?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I wish North Korea would just go full out war already.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'every little bit of news we get of North Korea threatening stuff kinda feels like blueballing'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why would you want to get into yet another land war with Asia?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'he's an arms dealer'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bionic or organic?'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost claps half-heartedly for Hanslanda, clearly unimpressed.
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Either NK collapses on itself, or it finally attacks.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'NK is too big to fail.  Besides, they're one of the few places patently able to deal with the zombie apocalypse.'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'It's just that NK has so much potential, but they decide to be inept and militaristic to absurd levels'
T3/r7/2013-07-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Why run a fair and free country when you can just live like a king with loyal subjects?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'im bored who wants to challenge me'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'at debate?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'you came to the wrong channel motherfucker.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'ill take you on joshua!'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'shoot bra'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'skrym is way worse than oblivion in gameplay and combat '
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'a'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'storyline to'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the Skyrim system is way better though'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'But the story line is better'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it works like it's supposed to'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Better map. And the Greybeards make it better'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'yes but oblivion is easier to play'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'So u cant handle the difficulty?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'there's nothing like the first time you played Morrowind though'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Never got to playing that though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'what i mean is that the combat and spells are easier to execute the spell system is same as morrowing slightly annoying'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Well I dont use spells.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'The Skyrim system, though simpler, has a much better feel which Bethesda has been trying to capture since Morrowind though'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'which is the natural evolution of strength and skill by practice, like the "real world"'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'yeah but they had that in oblivion already'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'yeah but it was still broken like Morrowind'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'where you end up finding a slave that you can compliment, and sitting there pressing X and sleeping to up your Personality'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'or walking up to a crab in full armor and then going to get something to eat to up your heavy armor skill'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'true you could easly tgm and stand and leg goblins hit you until you master in armour'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the best way to play Skyrim is to just be an adventurer and go adventure, and it evolves naturally, the way they always wanted it to'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'taking out the stats actually improved the game, IMO'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the other game, I'd pick my skills specifically to get the proper stat bonuses at level up so that I could munchkin my guy out, and get the +5s when I slept'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Skyrim got rid of all that, and took it back down to "make your favorite guy", and it works out way better than Oblivion or Morrowind'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'Oblivion also had that silly ass thing where the monster levels followed you, and not always well, basically taking all the point out of leveling in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'So I supposd that all proves that Skyrim is better'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'making a situation where it was often better to not level than to level.  No...Skyrim got the gameplay way better for sure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well that is what I am getting at :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'the books are quality in all three games, Morrowind especially however...and that is one of my favorite parts of the Elder Scrolls games'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'well that was fun :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I like Oblivion for a lot of reasons, but Cambodia is right in saying that Skyrim is just put together way better.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'it was a bit odd to me, but making it simpler actually made it way better'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well matty it looks like Skyrim won.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Code Name: Cambodia: 'indubitably!'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm, so the photographs of the boston bomber when he came out of hiding in the boat, had no visible throat wound and was walking, yet within seconds of being taken into custody he developed a throat wound so serious that they had to give him an emergency trachiotomy'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I also heard that the "boston bomber" that is on trial right now may not even be the guy but a lookalike, lol.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'How convienient that this isn't a cameras in the courtroom situation like the invader Zim trial.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, they want to keep it quiet because the two brothers were on the CIA payroll'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'is that information from fox news? Or a creditable source?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, Detroit's bankruptcy has been blocked because it breaches Michigan's constitution, how's that going to play out?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russian government, Blonk'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'huh, crazy '
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was sent to train with Chechen islamic rebels'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on fake credentials, caused a bit of a fuss, Russian Intelligence told CIA off and told them to take him away'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'wouldnt be the first time damage was done by people we trained, not really shocking. '
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't necessarily mean that they put him up to it'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'double agents are unreliable - the guy in charge of the 7/7 bombings in London was the same, an MI6 asset'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a seriously flawed methodology that i wish they'd stop using'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'see, it is so hard to put that on anyones shoulders but their own tho, i mean, it is kind of crazy to think what people get trained in'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'who is to say they are going to stay sane?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'kind of like us soldiers, train them, then let them go about their lives, well.. wtf are they going to do now? they got all this training'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think it has anything to do with sanity, you don't have to be insane to be a bomber or a terrorist, just dedicated to a cause that opposes your own'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well i call that insane :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a tad unfair, Blonk'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mad, maybe'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'calling someone who is willing to mass murder insane is unfair?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, to them it's justified'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, then i am an unfair person, because they are fucking nuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you call every single person in the German army between 1939 and 1945 insane? or the German public? or the French people that collaberated with them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'If they are willing to carry out actions which will murder many innocents.. Yep.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you likewise think the US drone pilots are insane, as is the state department, the president, and many cops'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, when you are in a position of extreme power, or under orders that if you refuse you go to prison, it is a little different i guess'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that distinction is a difficult one to excuse'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'but i still think it is insane'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'I do not care who ordered me, i would not kill an innocent'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being in a position of power and doing it, in my mind, makes you far worse'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, when you are the president of the united states, i mean, people are going to die, thats just how we roll'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'So yea, i guess he is insane for getting himself into that position knowing full well what it will mean'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad that's sarcasm, otherwise it would paint you as sick in the head'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Blonk )
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's going to happen to Detroit now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, who knows, but it is a brutal city, i can tell ya that'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any Michganites knowledgable of their own consitution about?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'they should put their hands up'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Detroit has been crumbling for quite awhile, who knows what is going to happen in the long run.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's going to have to go bankrupt, there's no option'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, there is options, its just they are going to hurt :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something will have to give, or Obama could bail out with tax money, which will piss everyone off and lose him the election'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'what election?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'he has run his max amount of terms'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2014'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'ahh, yea'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it, congress?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'he needs more control thats for sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, senate'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's on course to lose control of the senate, says NAte Silver'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yea, elections every two years, i wish everyone knew that and voted in them, hopefully this one is different'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would like Dianne Feinstein to get the boot, but i doubt it'll happen'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i would like a bunch of people to get the boot'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still waiting to learn of a Democrat that is libertarian and not dumb as a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it is very hard to find a politician that is not dumb as a box of rocks, or corrupt as hell'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'on any side of the isle, well, probably harder to find a republican, but yea'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, the only redeeming part of the GOP is Rand Paul and Ted Cruz'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, kind of :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'There are some good people, they are just underlings, and they do not have enough power to influence shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone needs to get together and take those two parties back, and fight for a smaller federal government, and a return of power to the states. that's the only thing -i- can see that will save the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like whom?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, i can get the names if you want, i watch real time with bill maher, and he gets some good ones in there'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not saying i don't believe you, just would like to know who it is :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bill maher, meh, bit of a snake, comes out with some truths, and some complete shite'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i agree with you tho, states need more power to run shit how they want to'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Meh, i like bill, he is good stuff, most the time he knows what is talking about'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'but nobody will ever agree with anyone 100%, if they are a free thinker atleast'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, anyone from Indiana? Health insurance premiums going up by an average 72% next year. Woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'there is for sure shit i disagree with him on, like guns'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one thing people need to learn to do is band together where they agree, despite differing on other things'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yes, for sure'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'would love to stay and talk, but i got some shit to do, catch you later man'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, me too, garden to water'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dafuq are you watering your garden for late at night?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no point watering in the day, sun will scorch the leaves and evaporate the wter'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite dark yet, dusk'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not my garden, either :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and bill maher is ok. i like his panels more than i like him'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i can afford a garden lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, there are worse'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like chris matthews, piers morgan'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I want to have political sex with S.C. Cupp'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea who that is'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so. what do you think about the new issue of Rolling Stones?'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '.'
T3/r7/2013-07-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'That pretty much covers the topics this evening.'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people are reporting that the surviving Boston bomber suspect in his court appearance not only has changed his appearance, but also significantly changed his accent'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strange what prison can do to you....'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, this is almost unheard of for this part of Texas....10 days of rain in a row.....and it is expected to last at least another 3 days.  Thiss is more like southern Florida and not SE texas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was it a soaking rain, or just a quick spurt like someone turned the hose on you for a sec?'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We only get soaking rains in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it rains hard for like 10min, then it stops for a few hours, and then a new thunderstorm rolls in and it does it again....for 10 days now....50% or higher chance of rain each day.'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my backyard is filled with mushrooms though....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'so, have they banned guns over there yet?'
T3/r7/2013-07-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Houston, Tranquility base here.  The Eagle has landed.....too bad it will never land there again.'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'story outlining the privacy issues surrounding obamacare: http://rare.us/story/move-over-nsa-here-comes-the-obamacare-big-brother-database/'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but this had me pissing myself laughing: http://rare.us/story/watch-prius-driving-woman-goes-mental-over-diesel-truck-in-parking-lot/'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hardly an objective source, but more or less accurate.  If you are going to have an entitlement program as large and far reaching as The Affordable Care Act, you have to have an equally large and robust "police function" to counter the inevitable fraud and graff that will follow in its wake.  Of course, that DOES beg the question - why bother?'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you cared about the planet, you'd not have bought a prius, and you'd go on a fucking diet'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, vl, it doesn't work on a large scale, it doesn't work in the UK, it won't work in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lady comes out cussing, and then has the nerve to tell sheryl "you beter stop your assault"'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the US military essencially has "obama care"....'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but it is an extremely closed system where the subjects are largly healthy, and can be herded and commanded.'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and ordered to be healthy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right up until they leave the service, then they can go fuck themselves, right?'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"You WILL be healthy!  Do you understand me MAGGOT?!"'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of the problems with the UK's NHS system are to do with the level of beurocracy needed to centrally manage a healthcare system for an entire country'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'post-service healthcare isn't too bad ATM.  Pretty dang good, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the experience of many, people on here included'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but eventually, as the DOD looks for new and creative ways to cut cost, post-service healthcare will get overrun by obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare won't last'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll get ditched some time between 2014 and 2016'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and then where will we be?  the systems and programs that are in place NOW to make sure people don't die on the street will have been disoved or obsorbed by the machine... post-obama care USA will be a pretty scary place while those systems are re-invented'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'breakfast'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'medicare and medicaid are being removed?'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our health service has gone under multiple re-organisations, trust me, it won't cripple anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the absolutely best thing that can happen is that the federal government pissed off and gets out of providing or regulating the provision of healthcare with the exclusion of collecting and disseminating the funds for the welfare element of it'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arguable if even this is needed'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NY food stamp recipients are shipping welfare-funded groceries to relatives in Jamaica, Dominican Republic and Haiti. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/it_on_y22owkLpsldSAjDVC9isjM'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pastor Manning is my favourite crazy black person of all time'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Why does he gotta be crazy just because he is black TN? /sarcasm'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've never studied logic, I take it :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American footballer arrested/charged with barking at a police dog'
T3/r7/2013-07-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly a wtf news day'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, the price of west texas intermediate sweet crude oil has passed brent sea crude oil price for the first time in 3 years, the glut of oil in the middle of the US is over.  Expect higher gasoline prices in the US to get even higher.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'current price of WTI crude is $108 and rising as demand increases in the US and Asia.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'means corn chips will be expensive'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, corn chips...with lots of salt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with higher oil prices, Toyota shall likely be attempting to sell more of those hybid deathtraps on wheels'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corn chips are good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the amount saved on gas with a hybrid is not worth the risk of death in those lemons'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buy a cheaper car and buy more corn chips.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but wait, the cheap non-hybrids are also lemons'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps if the American cars came with prepaid funeral expenses'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go buy a yugo if you prefer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the pride and joy of yugoslavia....the perfect car.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the Yugo more reliable than an American car'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'about 5% as reliable.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'american cars are more reliable compared to german, and the parts cost much less.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and some american brands are better than japanese.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wasnt always that way though....american car makers have become much more reliable in the last decade.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fritos make a damn good corn chip....like the dipper ones.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'by comparison, since Japanese cars went worse'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the car computers are crap  '
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely no competition and plenty of patents'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'patented crap'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How about we raise the capital gains tax to 40%, and reduce the top rate of the income tax to 15%.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no capital gains tax raise for you! 1 year'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest petition to grant obama immunity for all crimes he commits while in office gains tractions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OHk3c2L6Rck'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'americans love the royal family so much, please come and take them'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't want them'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I think our media's just been paid off to ignore snowden since the smear campaign hasn't worked'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence all the zimmerman stuff'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notice the aclu has scrapped their anti-zimmerman stance'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, UK to force ISP's to block porn by default in a move called "Our PM is dumber than a box of rocks"'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'How would that even work?'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'badly'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'It'd be impossible to block all of them'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'they'd have to appoint a porn tsar'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very good, vost'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'does UK still have online gambling?  We apparently lost that a couple years ago, because freedom.'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'is slavery'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they want this, apparently to protect children from porn. SOme woman on the news comments said she was glad it would stop her kids accessing porn, i pointed out that it was her job as a parent to chaperone/monitor her kids activity online rather than abdicate her responsibility through stupidity or laziness and instead take a great big turn on the freedoms of everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are modern parents thick as shit and lazy as fuck?'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps there is something to mass sterilisation'
T3/r7/2013-07-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, prepared 3 lbs of pepper beef jerky and 3 lbs of teriyaki jerky to put in the dehydrator.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'What is the appeal of MUDs?'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the same as the appeal of other games or passtimes, they structure time.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'which also happens to be the reason why people smoke :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'Interesting. I smoke, and giving me something to look forward to every 1.5 hours is definitely part of it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it also gives you something to do with your hands :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'But there are so many ways to structure time, I wonder what it is that keeps drawing me back here. I think it's the desire to have a shared social experience.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'A 'world' that other people inhabit, that I also inhabit. That isn't, quite as a complicated as the real world.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, I don't think you've been here long enough to make that assessment :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'Somehow the fact that other people play the game seems to validate its existence. On the other hand, I'd probably enjoy it more if I played with a "real life" friend.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'Well, yeah. Being a supernewb becomes impossible if you're actively playing with other people.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'But it gives me time to explore, and gives me a sense that time doesn't mater, it's not a race.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'I guess competition isn't one of the reasons MUDs appeal to me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the mud biggest appeal is that, for each player, it is personal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'I enjoy things like this, Random people debating random shit, And when i want to, i can chime in.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'It still seems strange to me. I mean, the whole social immersion in "realities" that are divorced from physical, practical life.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'Once upon a time most people lived in a village or within a tribe where they knew everybody by name, appearance, voice, and even touch. Abstractions like this might have been almost inconceivable to them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'And now it seems natural to interact with someone online and only online, with a physical distance of hundreds (or thousands) of miles.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'I guess none of this is exactly new or eye-opening, but tonight it strikes me as peculiar.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'I made friends years ago in a mud that i still talk with on facebook etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'Yeah, that's good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'I can understand why older people find it counterintuitive, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Samila: 'How people can impart visceral meaning to text on a screen.'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'is anchorage alaska or fiji , pacific ocean, further from tulsa, oklahoma?'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Arkansas has joined 8 other states in bringing in a saliva-test for alcohol and drugs in a "quickly, we need to victimise the public to make more money before we go bankrupt" move'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tigernuts is censored on the BBC for calling the newly born baby prince "a parasite, like the rest of the royal family"'
T3/r7/2013-07-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and new research firmly links recent decades climate change to levels of CFC's in the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the administration is tripping over itself to try and fight Justin Amash's ammendment to kill funding for the NSA's overreaching snooping program'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'NSA total budget is up to 60 billion this year?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..soon you can balance the budget just by cancelling the NSA..'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the NSA in neccessary'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually it ain't'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's duties can be amply split between the fbi and military intelligence'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so then their budget could also be split between the two?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if needbe'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that woudl cost alot ot re-organize'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, would cut a lot of the unconstitutional bullshit out, besides which much of the infrastructure already exists within the fbi and military intelligence, so you'd be making efficiency savings'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'typically, the FBI doesn't get as "dirty" as the NSA, and the Military can't operate on US soil'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need to'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you split between the two'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'someone has to get dirty'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a dirty world'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mean, too'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you trying to tell me neither the fbi nor military intelligence gets dirty?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not as dirty as the NSA... the NSA gets dirty so we don't have to'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course they don't...they're the good guys'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spare the bullshit, VL :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you point that the NSA duties could be split between other US services is well take, though.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the nsa are mafia'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need oversight'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the NSA doesn't do much, they use the other organizations for operations'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm not so nieve to believe that there isn't a whole bunch of dirty being done.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should probably put a stop to that, then :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok.. we're all in agreement, and it's decided... who do I call to turn off the NSA?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the president'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'got hos number?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'google it'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously.... I'd leave the military out of the responsibility split.  They have to stay "cleaner" than the rest.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'split it between HLS, CIA and FBI'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, we'll be disbanding HLS too'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and CIA'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, the military would continure it's intelligence gathering as normal...'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but most of what the military does no is outsources and contracted anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'I've read that the NSA microcode can be disabled in BIOS'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it cannot'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'Shame.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could try and find some clean bios to flash with, but then you have backdoors in the actual os to deal with'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kasnog: 'there's still linux'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flak: 'debates smell'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flak: 'peace'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'hmm..I mixed things up..DHS budget is 55 and NSA budget is classified'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just love disaster films.....Sharknado!'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did Obama really give a 1hr 6min speech blaming the GOP for all of his scandals and declaring race war?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's how people like him think.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i only read part of the transcript, but it certainly looks like thats what he did'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What?!!?  How dare you insult our glorious leader!'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only is he like trayvon martin, but he's about as well qualified to run a nation as trayvon martin'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is obviously racist against Trayvon and Barack'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am racist against all incompetants and thugs.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Prez Carter was an incompetant also, but at least he accepted his mistakes and moved on....he didnt blame others for his mistakes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman acted like a "thug" - mugged and killed Trayvon'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not even worth arguing about it....he was attacked by martin, and he defended himself by shooting the bastard....lucky shot into the heart.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'so your saying trayvon deserved to be shot riz?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a very racist opinion there, Rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I suppose zimmerman could have pulled out a taser and tazed him, then martin could have said...dont taze me bro!'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except he didnt have a tazer.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Martin instigated the physical portion of the confrontation.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'what hans? no fucking way'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly....zimmerman shouldnt have walked up to martin and argue with him, but martin had no right to attack zimmerman...it is called assault and battery, or aggrevated assault.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'zimmerman should havel istened to the 911 operator and left him alone, left it to the police'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'he had no reason to be stalk him, and approach him, and probably start shit, '
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '911 operator is not a lawful entity, they can only read from a paper...they tell everyone the same thing.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'zimmerman was doing his job, except he got too close which was stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There's the proper answer, Blonk. The only witness to Martin starting the fight was a man who has serious motive to lie, and was clearly looking for a fight when he outright refused to obey a legal command to cease and desist from the operator.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but, since he got shot, we shouldn't have listened to the police?  They DID say it was a textbook case, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'o so zimmerman was getting payed ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'to walk aroudn with a gun harassing people?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Riz, under Sandford Police "Neighborhood Watch" guidelines, Zimmerman was not to approach at all. He was to call, provide a description, and not attempt to stop the individual until police arrived.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the police thought it was self defense, and the evidence proved it....the only reason it went to trial was because of political pressure from a certain liberal govt entity.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Actually, the evidence only proved that there was reasonable doubt. Not that he was innocent, only that they couldn't prove he was guilty.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There's a huge distinction between the two.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it still does not give martin the right to assault zimmerman.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Yea, i gotta say you are wrong riz'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were those white racist police'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he had no legal command to cease and decist'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There's absolutely no reliable evidence suggesting Martin started the fight.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not a single piece.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they were not racist, Zade.  That black man was already dead when they arrived.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Zimmerman had no right to stalk trayvon, follow him, approach him, and then fucking shoot him, it was instigated by zimmerman, hands down'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nor was there any shred of evidence pointing to martin NOT starting the fight'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Exactly Abe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Which means anyone who says either with certainty is letting their opinion masquerade as fact.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, there are no rules against following someone and watching them, or even talking to them.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'however, there was plenty of evidence to show that martin was beating up zimmerman'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Which only means Zimmerman can't fight worth shit :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'including 3 eyewitnesses'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing illegal about not being able to fight worth shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And the question is who started it, not who was winning it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'maybe it was all planned'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'the guidelines of his neighborhood watch actually say not to approach, as cuthbert already said'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'so.... you are wrong again. '
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'guidelines are law?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, I mean there are no legal rules or laws against following someone.....neighborhood watch is not enforceable.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman likely with the intent to kill when a physical confrontation started, accosted and assaulted Trayvon, provoking a physical confrontation'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'neighborhood watch guidelines have nothing whatsoever to do with anything...'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'premediated first degree murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Personally, I believe Zimmerman started it based on past accounts of his co-workers stating he had anger issues, racial prejudices, poor self-control and his conversation with the 911 operator as well as the inconsistencies in his statement he gave to Police.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'wasnt talking law mathoran, rizgoth said rules, i was respondign to that'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I can't prove it, so I won't say it's fact, only what I believe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'rules are there for a reason, to prevent what happened'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not rules'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'zimmerman refused to follow guidelines he was given by the watch program, and a 911 operator. And just common sense, '
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and that is why he risked his life to help someone out of an upside down car last week, cause he has anger issues and problems with people.....suuuuure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'What does helping someone out of a car prove regarding anger issues?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And did I say he had a problem with people? No? So why are you bringing that up?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'that does not relate at all'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what would he be angry about, other than being accosted by some guy?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'he obviously has pride issues, can't take a beating without pulling a gun like a little bitch'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman (disregarded external advice as he) likely intended to do a racist killing of a nonwhite in a hoodie'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If it had happened in Texas, zimmerman would have been given a parade.......'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zimmerman was a nonwhite...'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'He clearly stated in the 911 call that he was "Tired of these punks", was agitated with the operator and proceeded to ignore her instructions to back down.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'After that it becomes speculation, but those aren't the actions of a well-controlled person.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anyone trying to smash my head into the sidewalk will be met with deadly force as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'But the legality of that deadly force rests on whether you started the fight or not, Abe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'he was insane in the membrane'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, regardless of the reason that started it....blow the bastard away.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman may yet be prosecuted for racism (if there are Federal Laws permitting a separate prosecution)'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If Martin started the fight, Zimmerman was in the right; as I said though, I don't believe Martin did.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't matter who started the fight, but the evidence presented doesn't agree with you'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'The only evidence presented regarded who was winning the fight.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'martin denied zimmerman his civil rights.......should sue the family.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'There wasn't a shred of evidence regarding who started it, that's why Zimmerman walked; not that the evidence showed him innocent, only that it couldn't show him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if Zimmerman started the verbal confrontation with the premeditated intent to kill when the confriontaion went physical, that is premeditated murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Why does it not matter who started it? If I pull a gun on you and start shooting, and then you start shooting me back, can I then claim self-defense if I kill you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Although I understand there is no proof as to who started it'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Turn trayvon into a girl, would it be ok for zimmerman to stalk her like that? And approach her?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Just in general, I don't see how it can't matter'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Because you can't claim self-defense in a fight you started, Mat. If Zimmerman pulled his gun and accosted Martin first, then he can't cry self-defense when Martin fights back.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'reverse the race roles'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Cuthbert, that's what I was saying'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'I was agreeing with you =)'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are no race roles, there's just minority and minority'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't matter who started it, because starting a fight doesn't change what you can and cannot do'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh, haha, thought you were questioning the relevance. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sure it does, Abe.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, turn zimmerman into a white man, and trayvon into a blonde haired blue eyed girl. now where does everyone stand? :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'erm, i said that wrong, ment zimmerman into a black man'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I can't pick a fight with you, throw the first punch, lose the fight, then claim self-defense when I kill you for it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if AfroAmericans accosted jews wearing skullcaps'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes you could, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Not very successfully.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if, after losing the fight, I don't stop'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, quite successfully'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'I'd like to see someone make that attempt, Abe, I would. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'apparantly you are right abelinc, it just happened'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not "win the fight" or "lose the fight", it's "believe that you are in real danger"'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it happens all the time, cuthbert'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Got an example?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it doesn't change things in a particular setting.  It does change things if you change the venue.  Were stand-your-ground not apply, you couldn't legally shoot your attacker and in some cases will be charged for doing so even if it were self-defense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'has nothing to do with stand your ground'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'so trayvon coulda pulled out a gun and just blasted zimmerman right there? because he felt he was in danger? A known asshole is stalking him with a gunned. seems like a reasonable threat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'If you are shooting at me, I believe I am in real danger. But what if I shot first? Still sounds like murder to me if I kill you'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'wow, the power of the typo compels me.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're all shit'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Zimmerman was already getting his ass kicked when he pulled out the gun.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"there's a scary man, I feel in danger" is not a legal thing..."someone is bashing my skull in and he doesn't seem like he's going to stop before I'm dead" is...'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except in the trial of martin, zimmermans past of being an asshole would be inadmisable, and martin would go to the chair.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at the soul of Hans.
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so according to Abelinc, a mugger may kill a victim if the robbing goes wrong and the mugger believes that he is in physical danger sand kills the intended robbery vivtim in self-defense'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a mugger didn't instigate the violence'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'the person who pulls the trigger first. set a flag on himself as the murderer. so if the other guy shoots back. its considered self-defense'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what zade is claiming, blonk'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Yeah Abe, sorry man, until you can show me a few concrete examples of attackers successfully claiming self-defense in a fight they started, I'm gonna have a hard time buying that argument.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mugging is a violent act.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure...they're still guilty of the mugging itself, but that's not the same as the murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, try to rob me when i am carrying and we shall see what happens. and where i am from, i will go free.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'happens all the time, especially in domestics'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like those 2 guys in Texas that tried to carjack a guy in his 60s....the guy pulled out a gun and blew them away....no charges.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's also why you cannot just go up to your abuser and shoot him in the leg to avoid your next bitchslap.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You nod at Hanslanda.
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing wrong with the law is the uneven way it's being applied - such as that black lady who shot (deliberately to miss) at her abusive husband that was threatening her, and was put in the clink for 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there was just a case about that in the news a week or two ago iirc'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Zimmerman was already committing a race crime when assaulting the nonwhite in a hoodie -- the killing by Zimmerman converts that to murder'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Remember where, Abe?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're presuming he assaulted him'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, he was arguing with a guy who was a stranger in a neighborhood that has had problems with burglaries in the past.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'was in Florida, I think, Cuth.  It was something that got eclipsed by the zimmerman trial.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'marissa alexander and cece mcdonald'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't even consider trying to argue this case with Zade, he has no grasp of the reality of the situation, has not looked at the evidence'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think the system worked'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'are two woman a bunch of bullshit happened to becasue they are black'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there was doubt'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Marissa Alexander was the example i was thinking of earlier, Blonk'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yea thats what made me look it up again on my facebook'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'That I can agree with El. It was the only verdict they could reach given the lack of evidence, but I still, personally, believe Zimmerman just got away with murder. More circumstantial evidence to support that than Martin deciding to assault Zimmerman with no provocation, packing nothing but a pack of skittles and some pop.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the skittles and pop are kinda irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Unfortunately we'll never know.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'they are also irrelevent in the example cuthberrt just gave, he was adding flavor by saying they are not much of a weapon'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the skittles and pop are indicative of the mind games that have been played, along with MSNBC's selective editing for Zimmerman's phone call to 911'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Zimmerman certainly isn't going to back down on his story that Martin sprang from bushes which didn't exist, to suckerpunch him while he was innocently defending his neighborhood from "those punks"'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Yeah that would be totally out of character for Martin.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wasn't with no provocation [in his mind]...martin confronted him because zimmerman was following him'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i would go ahead and say stalking.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can be gleened from the fact that the feds pushed for murder when any cloth-eared lawyer could have seen it wouldn't stick?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not by any legal definition of the term'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'If that's true Abe, wouldn't that fall under the same self-defense laws you just stated? Reasonable concern for one's safety? Again, the bushes didn't exist so it's a moot point, but still.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'wouldn't what fall under the same self-defense laws?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'use "debate -h scary" to see that no it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only mistake zimmerman made was confronting the guy, when he should have just followed him in his car until the police arrived.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'And that mistake led to the death of Martin. I hope it haunts Zimmerman for the rest of his life.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably will'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'poor martin'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Personally, if I'd been the prosecuter I'd have gone for Manslaughter instead of 2nd degree murder.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'poor obama....martin was his 'son''
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I wonder if those bushes had legs?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is racist against afroamericans'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should listen to some of the advocates from the Black Panther party, Zade, they tell a different story'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's also racist against latinos, who knew?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if I was the prosecutor I would have listened to the police and not charged zimmerman with anything.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto me, riz'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so a bank in Athens County (Georgia, I presume) sends agents out to confiscate the property of a house forclosure.... they get the wrong house and clean a woman out... sell all her stuff or toss it.  Apparently, the police won't investigate, and the bank won't pay. '
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.10tvtogo.com/wap/news/text.jsp?sid=40&nid=3355439430&cid=21017&scid=-1&ith=4&title=Local News&headtitle=Local News'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'political suicide, they had to charge even if there's no way on earth that it could ever satisfy the US requirement for conviction'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's terrible, vl, and a common story'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the woman should have been armed'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they did that twice, didn't they?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'multiple times, han'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've heard of banks foreclosing on houses that have no mortgage on them'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there was a 20/20 or nightline or something story on these forclosure issues  awhile back'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Bank of America foreclosed on some couple a few years back, which was hilarious because BoA didn't own the mortgage. When the couple sued and won, BoA refused to pay them. They ended up foreclosing on the bank after getting law enforcement involved.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and on houses whose mortgages have been entirely paid off'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Rizgoth: The first prosecutor DIDN'T try the case... and the first police chief didn't arrest... they had to fire them, get new ones, THEN prosecute'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'just try at take my stuff out my house and I'll blow your brains out'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the bailiffs should be in jail'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on the house thing... I gather that the woman was not around... those repo teams tend to time things so you're not around.  I'm sure she will have a hay-day in court with them'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'demo teams, as well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were the foreclosures racially motivated'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they shouldn't be allowed to enter properties when the person isn't there without the police anda  warrant'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Am I late to the "ignore Zade" bandwagon?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, mathoran'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were the foreclosures ethnicaly motivated'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i identify myself as black, zade, so take offence at your petty attempts at dividing people along racial grounds'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wearing shoe-polish does not convert you to a black'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no apologies to Al Jolson'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is also offensive'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to me and any brothers on here tonight'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth reins his horse next to Tigernuts and salutes him with his lance.
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, your racist position against Trayvon and Barack, indicates you are offensive'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spoke like a true cracker'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'judge a man by the content of his heart, not the color of his skin'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'cracker ass cracker'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm ritz cracker with smoked tilapia'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guvmint screwed up the blacks, they're now screwing up the rest'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you are attempting to say that your heart is cold-hearted black -- not the same syuonyms of "black" there'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'money can't buy happiness, but it can buy goats.....'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing cold about me'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'the blacks are yelling racisim. white people are yelling reverse-racisim. chinese people are yelling sideways racisim'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, obamacare could be in jeopardy, and there is an ammendment going through that will defund any elements of the NSA that breach the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'does that mean I have to take down the cameras I use to spy on my neighbors ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're spying on them on their property'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you will have to pry that camera from my cold dead fingers!'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have game cameras on each corner of the property.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lots of cameras in the UK - harder for Tigernuts to commit crimes there'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and there are 8 corners....'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'there are camera's all over the place man! they watch us. the goverment. its all lies! their getting prepared to give us to the Aliens, run man, run, remember your foil hats!!!'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have been harvesting aliens for years......whales man!  The whale race comes to Earth for vacation, and we eat them!'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the cameras we have are bad, but at least we know about them - yours are secret'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I didn't know you can eat whale'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you wanted to be green, you'd eat babies'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'smoked whale is good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'smoked anything is good actually.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'arn't they protected animals?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alaska natives can harvest them each year.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and so do the japanese and icelanders.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hollister points at everyone and screams, "LIES! LIIIIIIIIIIIIES!"
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the japanese are depraved liars in that regard'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I don't belive you'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like to buy the UK for 2 cents per acre.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I mean whale? how the hell do you kill that thing anyway?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with big spears'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'man. I wanna taste some whale'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except the icelanders, they corral the whales to a shallow bay, and to the beach...then hack them to death with machetes.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'I know shark tastes good. but very salty'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can buy the UK, but you'll only get the title, not the land, and it'll cost you $15,000 an acre for agricultural land, and $500,000 an acre for building land, provided you're not buying in the south east'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then they spend the next few days drying and smoking dozens of whale.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the water turns red with all the whale blood.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'my mouth is watering'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sorry, 2 cents an acre is all I will pay....UK has to accept it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am condemning the islands in the name of emminent domain of the donkey kingdom.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably just as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in alaska we perfected the outhouse.....grills, tvs, satellite dish, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'head to Afognak island near kodiak....lots of wildlife, including deer and bears....'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'detroit retired workers are set to have their pension pots raided in the bankruptcy'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I caught a 280 lb halibut near whale island by kodiak island.....took 3 hours to bring it in.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'big halibuts suck....I prefer the smaller ones, ie around 40 lbs...they taste better.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont worry, sean hannity loves you all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sean hannity sucks'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, tasty deer...the perfect prey.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deer sucks, keep raiding my garden'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'where is my obama money?  We elected him so that he would give us money!  Where is my obama money ??!!?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you prefer the Don King "fights"?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what does mike tyson have to do with it ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oops, mis'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'but I suppose after paperwork, the runaround, and the appeals process, Obama had to use that money to fix Holyfield's ear.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '...hmm, guess that explains why 3d printing got so hot.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'secret government research my, err, ear.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we can grow human ears on pigs now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what for?  We can print them now.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only reason we don't is because of the tangential ethical issues related to cloning and stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not enough obama money ?'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'to save Detroit, a few motivated clones would be ethical enough'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really.  Once the federal government decides on something, it's pretty hard to stop it from happening.  See: Obamacare.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'obamacare is a myth.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to prevent people from seeing the real problem....HAARP in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the govt just turned the HAARP base into an area51 like base.  It disappeared...'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'who needs harb when you have the IRS'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'grr harp'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Rizgoth, you must be trolling, because otherwise you have ZERO idea what you are talking about.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'trolling is allowed in debate'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'even encouraged'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'This is true.  Which is why I am assuming that is what he is doing :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you were trolling to telling him his trolling'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'don't look for serious meaning in a game.  You'll be like a eunuch in a whorehouse.'
T3/r7/2013-07-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'sometimes trolls feed eachother'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege trawls the depths of the debate chanel
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Kilfer, your making your bacon all wrong, it shouldnt be super greasy, Low heat for a long time makes it perfect'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'low heat, short time is best... just so the fatty parts start to be see-thru'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'was coleridge the only succesful author who was loaded  up on opiates?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone in the administration is trying to set up patriot leaders, first they tried to frame Luke Rudkowski by sending him child porn, now someone has tried to do the same thing to Stewart Rhodes and Dan Johnson'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some hacker using a tormail account, threats have been given in advance'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't believe someone from the usual anti-establishment hacker groups would want to attack people who are essentially on their side, so you'd have to deduce it is someone from, under the employ of, or at least sympathetic to the establishment cause'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i dont know either of them, so trying to read up on their past a little bit so i can chime in :P'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'but yea, anyone trying to set up anyone for something they did not do is bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'details here: http://wearechange.org/'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i dont care if i hate the person or not, only nail them to the wall if they actually did something Wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hollister: 'you know what they should do to find out what happens when you enter a black hole? they should recruit people who want to commit suicide and send them in one'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'misdirection and subterfuge...  Time honored paths to victory'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'impossible, but yea, great idea :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a white family who recently got into a car wreck got death threats.  What did they do wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mowed over a schoolbus full of african american nuns in the proccess?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'they filed a complaint against the police officers who arrived at the scene because they were being assholes?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they were saved by George Zimmerman.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably was CIA/NSA reactiving against Oathkeepers advert campaign to encourage whistleblowers to expose violations of the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my guess, anyway'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The people zimmerman helped are being threatened? Simply for being helped? or is there more to it than tat'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was an even simpler case than Trayvon's.  He helped them to safety.  They wanted to hold a press conference to thank him for it, but they canceled it because of death threats.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: '? They couldn't send a card and some cupcakes?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, i don't think it needed a press conference, i also do not think they needed to get threatened'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't surprise me, HAns, and I was reading about reversal case where a black guy approached 3 white youths robbing cars on his street, they set upon him, he shot them, was acquitted'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is not a good advert for Prius: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqe6S6m73Zw&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Peanut's "IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII'm gay!!!!!!!!!" wasn't a good advert?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why i want my next car to have minimal or no ECUs'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i want it to have no ECU control of vehicle controls, and i want it capable of running if any/all of the ECU's are out of action'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia are pretty annoyed at a NATO wargame about to take place simulating a Russian attack on Poland'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aren't they part of NATO now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are they doing they also Katyin forest simulation'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate Uh, yo don't get mad at me -  I don't love 'em I fuck 'em - I don't chase 'em I duck 'em - I replace 'em with another one - You had to see she keep calling me BIG - And my name is Jay-Z - She be all on my dick - Gradually I'm taking over your bitch - Coming over your shit - Got my feet up on you sofa, man - I mean a hostess for my open hand - You coming home to beer shifts and there be soda cans - I got your bitch in my Rover man - I never kiss her, I never hold her hand - In fact I diss her I'm a bolder man - I'mma pimp her, it's over man - It's over man, it's over man.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Wonderful lyrics from rapper Jay-Z.  Frequent guest at the Whitehouse, a universal role model for America's African American Youth.  Hats off too ya, Jay-Z!'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jay-z is a illuminati-obsessed NWO stooge'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is owned by the record companies'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how can a ho have two pimps?!'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the only politics I ever saw him get excited about is more free chicken for poor people'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'his bitch barack, and his record label'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you just said he was owned by the record companies.  And we all know he's married to Beyonce.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'barack and the record label are steered by the same people'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'where do you cross the line between "free speach", and "destructive sedition?"'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are you defining destructive sedition?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'speech that encourages a demoraphic to engage in self-destructive social behavior'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you calling rap/hip-hop destructive sedition?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that ain't what sedition is, though'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or glorifying violence... talk about violence, sure... but to Glorify it is just wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... sedition isn't the right word'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically most governments, especially in the last 12 years are guilty of sedition in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but largely since 1913'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not wrong.  It inspires young black men to do really dumb things like mouth off at some middle-aged, overweight, burrito-farting loser.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rather than rebel against authoirty... Jay-Z encourages people to rebel against their own people'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jay-Z farts with his mouth'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jay-Z, and people like him killed T.Martin'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jay-Z and people like him influenced T.Martin to become who he was - and it got his ass capped'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not really, Trayvon killed Martin.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a hispanic jew killed Trayvon'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely pre-planned and premeditated'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'O'Reily has really been riding black culture the last couple days.  He's a self-serving blow hole, but he's making some really solid points'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ate if you are saying that Zimmewrman was hunting those that listened to Jay-Z'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you need to watch him more.  He's been all over black culture ever since blacks started getting offended by their own music.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a deliberately orchestrated move in the upper echelons of MTV in the late 80s to ditch rock and push rap/trash'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was part of a plan from above to further debase the back community'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the black community is doing a banger of a job debaing themselves without MTV... but your point is taken'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Yeah, and NBC got rid of Golden Girls.  Part of their plan to promote ageism'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the black community a long time ago were upstanding and hard working'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that bigot O'Reilly is likely attempting to appeal to republican white trash'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've been debased by the media, by welfare, by the left generally'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and themselves'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, Golden Girls were gotten rid of because the high-ups there liked what they saw in bubble-gum pop stars like Brittany Spears.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Betty White is yet on tv - Hot and Rancid in Cinncinati'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did she already lose her Old Folks Behaving Badly show?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lots of aging middle white and fat trash featured on tv these days'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Ed O'Neil looks ghastly compared to when he was on "Married with Children"'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even Christina Applegate is no spring chicken anymore'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those actors and actresses are getting old'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you being ageist, Zade? got bored with being racist and anti-semetic?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you're the channel racist, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without a doubt'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd best illustrate with an example for all to judge, then'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you probably called someone a troll'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good one :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you notice that no example was ever forthcoming :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you shall likely provide the fresh examples again later'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope not, i intend to be in bed asleep'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Is it just me, or is it fucking stupid that you cant hunt campaign targets?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's mostly you I wager'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'I feel like it forces me to use a website to get the walkthrough'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'help hunt trick'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'or you could explore'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Yea, but in big zones it could take you a loong time to find a single target'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'So, spend 30 minutes looking for one person, or 30 minutes on a full campaign'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and how would it help you if you could hunt your target then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Probably the fact that i wouldnt ahve to search every single room, i could get general directions and go off that'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if hunt trick doesn't help you, I think being able to hunt your target would make it worse.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Unless you have a terrible memory, it's not really a problem after you get familiar with each area'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without the hunt-trick in a CP, finding a "troll guard" in Anthrox is likely going to require hunting and killing a long list of troll guards'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'troll guards are easy to find :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or just experience knowing which guards are at which levels'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Anthrox population is mostly segregated.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but blonk, not being able to hunt your target makes it so that you can get your target much more quickly than you would be able to if you were able to hunt them'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i guess the example i would use is in new thgalos, the spotted lion, it would have taken me a long time to find this cage with any hunt trick or whatever, i would have needed to just search, and it was behind two locked doors.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you wouldn't need to use the hunt trick for spotted lion, you'd just use "where"'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'which said Cell'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right, so then you just go to the cell'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the point of campaigns is to learn the areas, not to just get free QPs'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can get to that room from above or below :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'lol, right because i know where every room is that has that name, i load the map, and look it up, and boom, done, it would be more fun to be able to hunt my target, run into locekd doors, have to find the key etc,'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wouldn't be more fun, you just wouldn't bother to ever learn anything or use your brain'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you could hunt cp targets, there would be nothing but mailing the result in.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'using the website is what does that, makes me not have to do anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and if you do enough cps, you won't even need the map.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'because i get all the answers right there, and my only other option would be to spend 30 minutes on 1 target'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you learn by looking at a map. you don't learn by autohunting.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and no, your other option is not to spend 30 minutes on one target'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you spend 30 minutes on one target now, 1 year from now you will spend 10 seconds.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Blonk, you don't know it yet, but soon you'll realize that it's a gift not being able to hunt your target.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without the hunt-trick, be certain that some builders are going to (try to) build areas with umpteen wandering tough mobs of the same name and description with different vnums in widely separated rooms of the same name, requiring the CPer to kill umpteen mobs to find the cp target'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in areas like FT2 and Maelstrom, the hunt trick is essential.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's not unusual to have 20.prince or 42.oyster as a cp mob :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what do people think about all the newbies sleeping on our streets? i think its disgusting. give them a hostel'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they doze off almost in the centre of Aylor. what?!'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let them use your manor.'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'waking them up now...'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'people who clean streets are idiots'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vonliege digs in his tackle box for some different bait.
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'well.. it didn't beat the hedge cutter's a few months ago. they started at 4:00. and did the most annoying sound ever......... shiiiiiit. the cleaning thing comes for the 3rd time!!!'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they should clean out the hood every morning and give 'em all little play sciscors to clip the hedges'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the plasticish ones with the blunt tips so they don't shank each other'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they could give 'em all straw brooms on street sweeping day'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's a "green" solution - no diesel fumes, and no noise pollution, so the libs should go for it'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '5:25. they have no shame'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'personally, I like to have all my work for the day done before 0800... otherwise it gets too hot'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then I can spend the rest of the day on inside, climate controled persuits'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like aardwolf'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and heirloom sausage casing'
T3/r7/2013-07-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yeah. all done before 8:00. if we had another century, that would have been it's motto'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Spin ice rulz!'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'will it be a good or bad idea for me to mix milk and chlorine inside a milk bottle?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think they mix all that well.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i hear the fallout or gas released burns your lungs'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'chlorine vapors in general will do that... might be something in the milk that acts as a catalyst'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY02nT6SgxU'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would you?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'looks like fun... simple ingredients - BOOM'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wonder if chlorine bleach would work, or if you need pool grade chlorine'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'whole milk or skim?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Making explosives from a cancer inducing gas, sounds like something from darwin awards.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not to mention that it's probably illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If it works, which I doubt.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Fayboy Governor Christie is warning of the rising strand of libertarianism, calling Rand Paul 'dangerous'. I'm extremely happy that they're making inroads sufficient to threaten the establishment GOP'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'student happily sign petition to legalise post-birth abortions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v8--9R0I2Q&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'students*'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'crazy students'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari whistles appreciatively.
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just students, look at any of the Mark Dice videos, loads of dumarses sign stuff like this, mostly obama supporters'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'blind supporters?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that goes for most of them, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'we got our share, only difference is on our side it is because of lack of education.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that you need a DHS license for live music now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and did you know that DHS planned to shoot Occupy protest leaders with silenced sniper rifles?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hell no'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'first one seems rather unreasonable. Second, i got a lack of info.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, here's a source for you, including copy of the FBI docs: http://whowhatwhy.com/2013/06/27/fbi-document-deleted-plots-to-kill-occupy-leaders-if-deemed-necessary/'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'says page does not exist.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sources for the other: http://iamnotanonymousblog.com/?p=216 , http://www.munciefreepress.com/node/29089 , summary here https://tinyurl.com/mt2395a'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try this instead then: https://tinyurl.com/pe54png'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'post-birth abortions? wow'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'got it, wow!!'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'makes sense to me :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's be fair, abe, he's playing on stupidity, so it's as much a competency fail as a ethical one'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're only college kids, how are they supposed to know what a trimester is, and how can you expect them to count up to 4?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'at work so haven't looked at the vid'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'can't compare competency and ethics, apples and oranges :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'post birth abortions, a.k.a murder.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think of it now, Jopari?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'a man who uses unetnical means to achieve something may be competant in doing that particular thing itself, getting their way.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, murder is too broad, it could be euthanasia :) '
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of commentators claim that the sniper thing is indicative of a purge going on in police forces where they are trying to get rid of good cops that stand by their oath, and replace them with thugs that won't question orders, a militarisation of the force, so to speak'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'same thing really, just euthanasia is for people with terminal illness, and euthanasia is already allowed'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'our cops won't get off their butts to do anything anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they think of profit, not duty, nor discipline'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is a job, not an appointment from the king, Jopari.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'would you like a man who doesn't do a job that they themselves took an oath to do?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police, military, firefighters, and doctors are not ordinary jobs, they all involve oaths'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's important that they keep those oaths and that people respect them for it'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oaths are human constructs so, in the grand scheme of the universe, they are worthless :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hell, if a teacher chose not to teach, what would happen then?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is happening now, obviously. There is no practical difference between refusing to teach not being able to teach :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'what is the grand scheme of the universe?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: ''oaths are the measure of the person who gives them'- The Night Angel Trilogy'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'maybe if the teachers stopped teaching, the children would have time to learn something'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada circles his hands above his head trying to construct a halo.
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they are what we choose them to be.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know what the scheme is, but I doubt that whatever it is, is bound by human oaths :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teachers probably need to start teaching'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instead of peddling propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'As a teacher, man. That's bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'When was the last time you were actually in a classroom?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '5 hours ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Or do you just go by 3rd, or 4th hand experience on what teachers are actually teaching?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'what about the Anthropic principle?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'assuming you are a teacher, and a good  one at that, other teachers are not bound by your behavior.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I have rather too much classroom experience, for me it was largely an impediment to learning.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That has more to do with the system than with the teachers, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'They are bound by the same curriculum though, Anar. And while I can't speak for teachers in other countries, I can say that the Canadian curriculum doesn't 'peddle propaganda''
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'there is no grand scheme in the universe, 'there is no meaning to life, just what we give it meaning as.''
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The problem with teachers, is to many of them are jaded, and have tenure, so they can't get replaced. Or that is what i have experienced'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the teachers are a product of the system'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i found the system constraining too, tinada, though i've seen the syllabus these days and it's pretty propaganda-heavy'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'see malaysian history textbooks, slander and skewed vision'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for one thing, trying to homogenize the student population is the greatest cause of the system failure.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amen to that, anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i have not had a happy time with my national curriculum history textbooks'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, it so far seems a better news day than most'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Homogenizing the students is part of the goal, so..'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governor christie slamming Rand Paul is the best kind of coverage to get'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome news'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's where parents are supposed to come in, Tinada, unhomogenising them, and unwinding the propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'I'd gripe at my history text, but then i got history tommorow so, heh.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what history are they teaching these days?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'depends where you are.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what history are they teaching -you-?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'here i am taught that the Chinese are the source of all the nations problems, and that Malaysia is Malay land, we are secondary residents. etc, etc, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is the biggest problem with history curricula, they are used for propaganda in all countries.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'while through all the other texts i read for broader perspective tell me that it is the malay who sell out our country from under us'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wonder if they book writers actually believe the crap they put in.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the book writers*'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i think they do.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another 'unhelpful' youngster randomly drops dead? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23467411'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they have come out and told us to go back to China after all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'as if we have any roots there anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'take the  US  Civil War. Granted that Lincoln might have had ethical reasons to free the slaves, but most history books fail to mention that the drive to free the slaves was based on the fact that non-slave states thought that they gave the south unfair advantage.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, it was all about money :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'slavery continued in europe much later than in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and now slavery has made a comeback'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, slavery has been a fact of life since humans left the treetops.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Yep, and it is right under our noses and many people have no idea what is g oing on'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's call indentured labor :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'chaching is what drives my leaders, not any drive to better the country'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see if any of you can find out what killed him'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'buildings fall before they are built, huge amount of resources but we are somehow always further in the red'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'who?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Barnaby Jack'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari frowns sadly, looks around and goes 'meh..'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'see ya all.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i am going to guess a lethal dose of insulin'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i totally disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably just as well'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is quite an interesting video, been lots of similar supposedly isolated scandals in the UK about this too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hm_MwBjkIho'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have them attached to numpad keys'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'http://ivn.us/penigma/2013/07/25/george-zimmermans-heroic-car-crash-rescue-appears-to-be-a-fraud/'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a political football right from the start'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never saw what the fuss was anyway, stopping was the law'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or are we rewarding people for doing what they're supposed to, now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's when he keeps showing up at accidents you want to start worrying :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): With a mischievous smile, Blonk pats a brick as if it were a kitten.
T3/r7/2013-07-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop patting democrats!'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'They're at it again: US Army buying millions of rounds of russian and other non-army issue ammunition popular in civilian firearms'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration Buys 72,000 Rounds of Ammo'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of the scary work they do that requires them to be armed'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'are they going to shoot cluds now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'are they going to shoot clouds now?'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are the army buying ammo they don't use? another attempt to dry up the market'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congres seriously needs to ban all government bodies except the army and the cops from buying ammo, period'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl Obamacare call center hiring part-time workers, not providing healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also "Promise to protect whistleblowers disappears from change.gob'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd be surprised if something like that was passed. I mean, you cannot increase the rights of citizens, then the terrorists win.'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obamacare does not increase the rights of the citizens'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'reduces them, if anything'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think if i was tasked with improving healthcare i'd roll out some kind of universal subsidised system with a list of maximum tariffs that the government will cover'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'anyone know where i can get a list of vegetables that can be grown in a specific region'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that information is generally offered per plant... anotherwords, the seed packet will tell you where it can grow.'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It is also very dependant on where you live, so look for more local information.'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate what region are you talking about?  you could do a pretty comprehensive good search if you typed "popular vegetables seasons midwest"'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or northest, south, etc'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'the laeveldt in south africa and it is for a geography task'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gardeninginsouthafrica.co.za'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zouth Africa?'
T3/r7/2013-07-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You can probably grow almost any vegetable in SA, as long as you have plenty of water and good soil.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'are you deluded?'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'allright.. what are your delusions?'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talking to yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no its a topic'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a fine one too'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, well i'm off swimming, so it'll have to wait :-)'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ok:)'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://www.folk.ee/video/2013/?live=folk2013-ait'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'we have a folk festival here. there are so many performaces that seem a bit wacky'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they sure know how to turn themselves coocoo doing that folk thing'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i got id'd for buying a bow saw. country's gone to the dogs'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a saw is a type of knife, so it makes sense.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and especially given i'm 35'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they card us grey-haired and balding guys when we buy alcohol here.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'can't judge the entire country by that, maybe it is your country, or your state that requires that'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'erm, county'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, legally speaking, if you do not have an ID it is against the law to buy alchohol, or be in a bar, no matter what age you are'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't a legal requirement here, just a dumbarse shop with dumbarse rules dreamt up by dumbarse liberals told what to do by a dumbarse parasitic legal system'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'someone should remind them that profiling is bad.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, just think if i'd been a black disabled lesbian'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, i wouldn't have had a problem at that point'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so your argument is: if one looks old then one must be old. Prove it :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i knew a kid who had grey hair in highschool, also knew a kid who had a beard in high school'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'so with your logic, they shouldnt be carded ever?'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if something has a legal requirement of age for sale then they should be carded if there is any doubt'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in all other situations, no'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the law doesn't have a "if there any doubts" clause.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for good reason, it takes judgement out of th equation. Either you have id or you don't get served.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'with that policy, no one under the limit will be served.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'and there are crooked police departments (gasp!) that send old timers into bars, have them order a beer, if they are not carded, the  bar gets fined.'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I  feel for them, but really, how hard is it to ask for id?'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better to ask ID at the entrace'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, guess you guys have never bartended in a realy busy bar'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Speed is how you make your money, ebcause most bas pay you 5 bucks an hour, if your lucky, So you gotta be quick'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't have bars in this country anymore'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'noddy holder is trying once again abuse the constitution by using his position to screw up the Texas voting system in favour of Democrats'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in violation of his own supreme court, btw'
T3/r7/2013-07-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's already lost the last 3 supreme court rulings that texas pushed back against him'
T3/r7/2013-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Adam Kokesh was swiped by the feds and ordered held without a bond in DC'
T3/r7/2013-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the thugs in the government didn't take kindly to him, it seems'
T3/r7/2013-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is stranger is that he'll get off on appeal anyway, so they're only doing it at all to try and make an example of the dominance'
T3/r7/2013-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than that news, same old crap - obamacare coming off the rails more, poverty up, more threats of bankruptcy, Slick Willy and Hilary 'livid' at comparisons to Weiners' sexcapades (how hypocritical is that, eh?)'
T3/r7/2013-07-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and despite the WH being closed due to budget cuts and the country being almost bankrupt, Obama's cleared off on another tax-payer funded holiday'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a rabbit can produce six pounds of meat on the same amount of feed and water it takes a cow to produce just one pound.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's why cow meat tastes better :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'many people would disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rabbit has some of the best tasting meat bar none.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'to each its own. To me, rabbit meat is sweet, something I don't want to taste when eating meat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are restaurants that sell more rabbit dishes then they do fish or beef.  Most of them are in Europe though, except for California.  There is a ranch there that produces 300 rabbits for local restaurants each week.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not to mention, greasy.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my rabbits are not greasy, far from it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I won't argue that, but one thing I can tell you, you won't find me at those restaurants :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if it were a choice of eating rabbit meat or starve, I'd eat rabbit meat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for goat, rabbit has the fastest growing demand of meat....beef is dropping.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, actually, I've stopped eating beef also. I have become a fan of chicken.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt anything will ever topple goat. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, goats are self-sufficient. We had goats when I was a child :) Never needed a gardener.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I used to like chicken also, until I added rabbits, now chicken is my 2nd fav meat.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you preverts settle down, please.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis  :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brun: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I find chickens to be harder to slaughter compared to rabbits.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'are you kidding?  A twist of the wrist, that's all a chicken take.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont have to pluck a rabbit :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not the killing part, the cleaning part.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'easy to plick a chicken, just stick it in hot water :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'takes me less than 2 minutes to clean a rabbit....about 5min for a chicken after it sits in hot water for a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thought about building one of those automatic plucking machines.....buying one retail is like $1000'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and beef and pigs are just too damn big.....I send them off to the butcher to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Mother Nature designed rabbits at the low end of the food chain so they die easily. Thats problematic for factory farming.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'rabbits are hard to keep, you have to put them in a concrete enclosure otherwise they'll dig their way out.  Found that out the hard way :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Factory farming is a bad thing, not the rabbits.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a rabbit tractor for the meaties.....when a litter is 6 weeks old, the males are put into the male meat tractor, and the females are kept with mom for another 2 weeks, then put in the female meaty tractor'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have pens for the 5 does and 1 buck'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If rabbits dig themselves out, they should probably be walking freely instead.... makes for tastier rabbits.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tractors are kept on pasture, so they can eat mostly grass, weeds, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'having baked rabbit tomorrow for dinner....yum...pasture raised rabbit is the best....'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I try my best to only buy animals that have a natural diet. Factory farmed X in concrete bunkers vs pasture raised X, the choice is simple. Even if they cost more.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, my rabbit meat supply costs next to nothing, except for the costs of building the tractors, the pens, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wish I was your neighbor :D'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, gave them 5 lbs of rabbit meat this week. :p'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an older couple, doubt they spend much money on meat....so rabbit meat is good.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thinking of getting another buck, and using 2 of the current pair doe kits to expand the genetics.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the train I like the best about rabbits though....they are quiet unlike chickens.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'trait even'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Archaeologists have found proof that the Romans raised meat rabbits 2,000 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one has accused the Romans of being gourmet :)'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Didn't the Roman fishing boat guys use to give away the lobsters they caught to the poor?'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Dumbasses.'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'testing one two three'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boehner and mccain are nasty pieces of work'
T3/r7/2013-07-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't you guys unselect them?'
T3/r7/2013-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'duck and cover, kiddies, the GOP is ripping itself apart'
T3/r7/2013-07-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'How government (any government) works: Do something until someone tells you its wrong, then whine and complain until you find someone who agrees with you and lets you do it anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I heard on the radio today that some guy finally came out about his medical condition and is now getting disability money for it.  His medical condition is that he has orgasms when he hears the james bond theme.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that scumbucket and commie sympathiser Chris Matthews is at it again'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Chris Matthews is the dumbest motherfucker on television. What did he say now?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'called Ted Cruz a terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chris Matthews called him a terrorist because he wants to defund or otherwise get rid of Obamacare, which is his job, frankly'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so Chris Matthews thinks that congressment that do their job are terrorists. Given the corrupt nature of the american administration, he's sorta right'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meanwhile, CNN are now reporting on huge secret CIA activity in Benghazi at the time of the Sep 11th attacks.... after repeatedly calling other news channels cooqs and poo-poo'ing them, accusing them of creating false scandals, when reporting the same thing months ago'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get the impression that all american major tv channels should be shredded'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i am not to informed on that situation, but you honestly think they should keep on trying to get rid of obamacare? they have failed like 30+ times and have wasted millions of dollars and hundreds of hours, which could all be used elsewhere to a much better effect'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, they should, because if they don't everyone will end up with worse health cover'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well now thats not true at all'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The current system is broken, we need to try something'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obamacare has priced healthcare out of my reach.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to do something, just not this'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'It is not even into full swing yet, it is going to take some tweaking ,cant expect everything just be perfect'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'and considering how much bullshit has gone into fighting it, rather than making it work better, what do you expect?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tweaking? people were asked to vote for it without knowing what was in it'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'just like everything else tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'that is nothing new'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should have gone for a simple government-provided health insurance that is mandatory for those who do not have one'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, gotta try something new to figure out what works'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"less than optimium healthcare" for which segment of the population, as different to "no healthcare at all" for some segments of the population'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when they took the vote, even the congress members who supported the bill did not get a chance to read it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'and it naturally wont work perfect for everyone'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'once again hanslanda, nothing new'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who in their right mind votes for something they haven't read?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'EVERYONE'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then everyone should be fired'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it has been like that for a LOOOONG time'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'longer than any of us have been alive'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rumor is that most congressmen never read their bills'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'thats no rumor'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm glad you can afford an 80% hike in your insurance rates'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it made my insurance cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'but ok'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you are in the minority'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'No, i am not :) Many of the things in the accordable health care act are there to help people, it is going to force insurance companies to compete'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he's probably even on the bronze package.  Wait until you have to use it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insurance companies already compete'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you have any idea what competition in health insurance does?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'It gives people the ability to pick and choose what insurance company they want to give their money to'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'o yea, antoher thing, if your money is not used on you, you get it back'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'drives costs up.  We have mountains of fiscal evidence showing this.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Only 20% of the money you pay into insurance can be used for administrative costs'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'the affordable health care act'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then it isn't insurance'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'You pay money to insurance company, They dont use it on you, you get 80% back'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't insurance if you get your money back'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's a subsidy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they give you your money back then there is no money to cross-subsidise other people'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point of insurance'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might get lower premiums the next year...'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and now that the high-risk folk are going onto your plan, costs are going up'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what obamacare does is set up an insurance monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a retarded idea, it picks the very worst elements of healthcare systems and shoves them together'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well people need insurance because the current situation is what is driving up the prices at hospitals'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only models that work are a fully-government funded sector, or a fully private-sector model'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The current system is broke, so we should just not try anything?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you start smacking the two together you get a disaster'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ALL current systems are broke'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all upcoming systems are broke.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an "insurance monopoly" which according to Tigernuts is "not insurance" '
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Ok, well i am talking about the health care system'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're going to try something, how about try something that's better?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'this is better, nobody is giving it a chance'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it is not even fully in swing yet, and the rpeubs have tried to get rid of it 30+ times'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because it's costing jobs and costing money'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'they wont even sit down and attempt to get shit working'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'not doing anything is doing the same thing tiger'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Prices are so high in hospitals because so many people abuse the system'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because they know it's a doozie. perhaps if they consulted before pushing it, i dunno, like allowing people to READ it before voting on it, some of the shit stuff could have been sorted out?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is scaremongering with irrelevant and or false facts'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'people go to the emergency department for bullshit reasons, and they Have to get seen, then they dont pay their bill, leaving a big fat fuck you for the hospitals which drives up everyone elses prices'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as a fat smoker with a pre-existing condition, you can't kick me out of your plan.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everthing usually costs money - so what'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nJ3WExxxIr4'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as jobs are lost, other jobs are created, so what'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so we bombed your homes by mistake, so what?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we just stole all your money, confiscated your home, shoved you in prison, so what?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most rich folk are parasites - they did not really earn their money truly honestly, and yet some of them complain when forced to be charitable to the problems they caused (which they likely deny causing)'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most -people- are parasites'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"...forced to be charitable...."  there's an oxymoron.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"forced" and "Charitable" don't go together.... "Forced" and "Taxed" go together.... "forced" and "rape" go together.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well if the tax rate on the super wealthy got raise back to what it was, there would be a fucking rebellion'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people used to be charitable until government came and took a big shit on everything and throwing their weight around'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't, blonk, they'd just avoid it'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the scumbag rich want the extra populace their to provide cheap labour and cannon fodder for the armed forces, but they don't want to pay for the medical expenses of those labourers and cannon fodder'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'most rich folk would go absolutely insane (in the mental sense, not the really-pissed-off sense) if they didn't give away most of their money.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if the super-wealthy get taxed to much... they'll leave'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'They are paying insane low rates as is'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it used to be much higher'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'healthcare isn't about taxes'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they'll take their jobs and their taxes with them'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'and they are not paying shit for wages compared to what they used to'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'minimum wage should be around 20 bucks an hour'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just like in France.  Gerard Depardieau, for example, is getting taxed at like 120%.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'its way lower than that, and they are stil crying and doing everything they can to not pay anything they dont have to'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the scumbag sell the injurious products upon which the populace is addicted, and then complains when extra taxes and ciosts are required to pay for the damages caused by those injurious products'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want good wages, you need stuff produced locally, not shifting all your manufacturing to china and buying in cheap shit, and allowing Mexicans to come and do all the jobs for low wages'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'that is because of the goverment tigernuts, they gives breaks to sending jobs over seas'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'and the corporations take advantage of it'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, blonk, both sides'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem is not the rich, nor the gop, nor the democrats, it's the SYSTEM'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'also because americans are fucking stupid, they we wanted shit to change, we could do it swiftly.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'if we wanted shit to change, just stop buying stuff from anywhere but the usa for a couple months, thats all it would take'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the scumbag republicans like fighting overseas wars, but dislike paying medical costs and disabilities to the mangled soldiers'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not just them, zade'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Why would they want to take care of their own Zade? They dont make money off it'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'It is pretty much them tiger'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'They fight and fight and fight and fight to keep the war machine turning'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'good luck with that, Blonk.  Stuff made in the USA isn't actually made in the USA, even under the legal definition of the term.  All we do is assemble.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'o ok, hans, i guess there is no way for the people to do anything with their purchasing power'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Because shit wouldnt change if people decided to change it,'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can, they can use local services, '
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'but hans just said there isnt any'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can put in a goverment whose small firms contracts program goes to small firms, not fortune 500'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i mean, EVERYTHING is made elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'start with food, blonk'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'food and services'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Tiger, your arguing against he wrong person'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'pay attention'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arguing against all of you :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ibGzXrlRITA'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate glenn beck, but he's pretty straight up here'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'nah, i watched that last video of yours, it was fucking stupid'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fortune 500 companies are more efficient than small companies for some products, example: computers'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was meant to be stupid, it was a satirical cartoon'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this link is more factual, if a bit out of date'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i gotta take off, i will argue with you fellas later'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'have a good one :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'aruge/debate/banter whatever you wanna call it'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you had to buy your computer only from small stores, you'd be paying a lot more and getting far worse service, and likely being cheated '
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's bullshit, zade'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the definition of Made in America is that the product must consist of at least 75% parts actually manufactured in the US (not made elsewhere and shipped here for assembly, like is the current trend).  Absolutely no car brand that identifies itself as American (Ford, Chevrolet, etc) actually meets this standard, and it's actually illegal for these companies to stamp their product with the Made in USA tag.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'small stores casnnot afford the no-hassle return policies of large chains'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you return?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was defective, it wasn't the right size, you found a better deal (why pay more when you don't have to?), you bought too much, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some things do break down early before warranty expires'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so they fix it/replace it'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "no-hasslke" part is absent from small stores'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no such thing as a no-hassle replacement of a whole computer'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe in Britain, but you guys are already long screwed '
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mom & pop computer shop is very likely to give you a far more responsive service that the big boys'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Get this guys, I guess all non-African humans have traces of Neadertal DNA.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Global grain reserves are at a historic low. The misguided decision to subsidize the production of ethanol from corn has led to market competition between eaters (and feeders of poultry) and drivers of SUVs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg price for whole grains has risen by 27% in the last year.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Get this guys, I guess all non-African humans have traces of Neadertal DNA.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so... a ¼ hispanic, ¼ caucasian, and ½ black person does not have neahdrethal DNA?'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'that would make them non-african'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'you know what I mean shutup shutup'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not according to the state welfare blard'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '... board'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I guess that would mean that those who left the African continent didn't see any reason to go back.'
T3/r7/2013-08-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but we all share mitochondrial DNA with the same woman called mitochonrial Eve.'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that Rangel black guy is a bit of a retard, isn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Understatement'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/10218288/CIA-running-arms-smuggling-team-in-Benghazi-when-consulate-was-attacked.html'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this was reported by the independent media months and months and months ago. The mainstream media and whitehouse called them crazy conspiracy theories'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so from now on i think every time the white house and the mainstream media calls something a crazy conspiracy theory, it's probably a good reason to give it a second look and a poke'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wendys is better than hardees'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'agreed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I have no idea, I never frequent either.'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dang... ok... Lowes is better than homo depot'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes it is!'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'crunchy peanut butter is better than creamy peanut butter'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'grape pop is better than orange opo'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wow... really?  "opo"?'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's when opochtli eats cheetos'
T3/r7/2013-08-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '=)'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'I seek a challenger.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Whi will dare debate me?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your mom'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Really? Going with the cliche huh.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no cliche, your mom wants to debate you'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'My mom's isnt on Aardwolf and she's at home. Im not'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'be sure to get home by suppertime'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she's making your favorite'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'I say 'better' is defined by enjoyment/entertainment value. (as far as classes are concerned)'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'How do you know dude? U stalking me? Just because Im super hot doesnt mean you have to know about my life.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'Thank you Stabulous for your normal debating topic which does not involve my mom.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'welcome :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'You seem to have an extensive knowledge in Linguistics.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a nwe tpic. whow phat s yhour mam. mon. mon'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mombn'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'm o m'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'I yeild the remainder of my time to my opponent. hehe'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'My mom is slim. At least thats what my dad tells her.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'your dad's given up on ladies'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harbiter: 'My mom is slim. At least thats what my dad tells her.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The gun control myths debunking handbook: http://gunfacts.info/pdfs/gun-facts/6.1/gun_facts_6_1_screen.pdf     '
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'heh the very first "myth" is a straw man argument.  The real position is that countries with gun control have far less  crimes committed with guns not anything correlated with "crime rate"'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so to spend almost nearly a whole section on crime rate vs gun availability when that isn't the argument is sort of...bleh'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'what you you doing Milshake? applying logic and reason to a gun control arguement? Wtf?!'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the other major argument, that gun control reduces death by guns in both crimes and outside of crimes is also nto treated that I can find, so the two largest "arguments" that I know of arent' dealth with'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'although thats probably because the statistics for both arguments are unequivocal.  Yet I admit that that still isn't conclusive because of ergo propter hoc, however this document also clearly doesn't understand that fallacy, frequently implying that correlation is causation.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'which, if you try to present with sources and graphs in a "persuasive" manner but don't also underline that you aren't similarly aware of the lack of real causation means that its just invective'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'you are missing one thing Milkshake.. The people that document was aimed at problably dont care about little things like facts.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I refuse to be that cynical :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, your take on the two arguments [and specifically the first "myth"] isn't necessarily the correct take on them...the argument is a question of whether or not gun control increases safety, or whether taking away the guns prevents the deaths/mayhem...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'i.e. if guy1 is going to kill someone, is there a meaningful difference whether it ends up being by a gun or a bomb/hatchet/other'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Gun Control...  Bottom line is that I am a gun owner.  I like to own guns.  I like to live in a country where owning guns is legal.  I like to shoot targets, not people.  People who use guns to commit crime are criminals.  Punshish them.  To say that none of us can have guns because some criminals use guns is no different than saying none of us can have cars because some criminals use cars.  GOD BLESS AMERICA.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if you have the same level of crime before and after gun control, but you have less crimes committed with guns after gun control, then have you increased safety?  It is a tough question.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'vonliege nobody has ever tried to take away all guns in america.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the first thing isn't crime rate, it's specifically homicide rate'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'even fully automatics are legal in america still, if they were made before a certain year.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's incrimental... the mission statement of the hard core gun control movement is "no guns"... period.  today it's assault weapons, then hand gunds... eventually BB guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Just because its a mission statement, does not mean anything'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'uhh thats how most lobbies work, Vonliege, so what'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'spells'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'We couldnt even get tiny tiny gun regulations passed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You raise your eyebrow at Blonk.
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we've had some rather sweeping gun regulations passed'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'recently? like what?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'the last one was in 1986 wasnt it? after that, nothing huge, unless i am mistaken'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Yeah Blonk if you look at many liberal states like Cali have passed extremely strict gun laws'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'heh the arguments about the swiss are particularly narrow.  A much more hetergenous society where everyone is conscripted into military service and they have a much much much more aggressive social safety net.  Its like, there are a symphony of factors here but this argument boils down to, what two facts, in a highly complex system, can I select and present as causation.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well when it comes to the state level, or city level, thats different'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Ok, then how about D.C?  It's a federal district how did hand gun bans work out for them?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Dare I say, California and Illinois and D.C. have blatantly unconstitutional gun laws. Well Illinois recently passed conceal carry. But Chicago's mayor is doing everything he can to keep citizens from being able to protect themselves from gangbangers on the streets.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I dunno, lets take a physical area with perfectly porous borders that is tiny in size and under a confluence of factors and try to derive some meaningful notion of it having a physical ban on something while it is in an island of unbanned territory.  You can say that we would still be able to import guns illegal for the use of criminals and I Would agree, but the difference is between trying to slop out a leak in a dingy vs a leak in an oil tanker.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So you are implying that gun bans are not sweeping enough Milkshake?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I'm stating that the affects of rigid gun control in the united states are not meaningful or well understood unless we carried out the experiment federally for probably at least a decade'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'we can look to Australia for a good example of how gun bans drove crime into unimaginable heights.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'also I think poverty is probably a bigger factor in crime than gun availability, so I think nearly this whole document is very silly to ignore that and no gun control debate is really very intelligent without keeping factors like poverty in mind'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'debate For a decade Milkshake? You mean like the Brady assault weapons ban that was in effect in the U.S. from 1994 to 2004? The one that did not reduce gun crime?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'for starters, we can't look at anything as far as causation...at best correlation'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'no I mean like a full on gun ban, like nobody, even police is allowed to have them, only military, a la british style etc etc'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I mean you can't understand the affect of such a rule nationally without trying it for a good long while'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'How long have guns been banned in Chicago and NY?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and it would need to be the only major change'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they're not really banned'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and we have a huge huge number of factors that make it very hard to appreciate the affect vs countries that are already doing it like britain, population density, land area, social mobility, social safety net, universal health care, poverty in general, all these things come into play when talking about crime and gun use'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well Milk even if that 'could' work. We can never and should never pass such legislation because of the second amendment.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the constitution is not a static document'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Our right to bear arms is. No rights are granted by the bill of rights.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'it is not, we could amend it away'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The right to arm and defend yourself is an inherent right.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'but that doesn't take away the actual right.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the constitution does not say it is an inherent right'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'that would be an unconstitutional amendment Milk. It won't happen.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and that phrase holds very little meaning'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'They are 'self-evident'.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wouldn't be an unconstitutional amendment'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'first off, thats not the constitution, thats the declaration of independence'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Gun crime statistics don't even come close to warranting any kind of ban.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'second what was held to be self evident was that men were created equal and that they had inalienable rights AND THE ONLY ONES ENUMERATED were life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and "self-evident" was never used in any document by the founding fathers when talking about bearing arms'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so thomas J did not say you have an inalienable right to guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Liberty.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you need to look up what liberty is...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its a very important point to note that thomas J didn't define liberty in that document, thank god!'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'And since we're on the subject. Wouldn't abortion be considered as depriving life...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'The bill of rights makes it self-evident. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'The definition of liberty is not in dispute.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'Should we ban automobiles because so many die in accidents'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm not in favor of gun control...but there would be nothing whatsoever unconstitutional about repealing the second amendment'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'if automobiles were banned my fiance would still be alive'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wouldn't be the first amendment to be repealed...and it is nothing more than "yet another amendment" as far as the legality of the constitution goes'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'lets not confuse the issue, we could amend the 2nd amendment and it would be entirely legal, and if you personally believe its an "inalienable" right then whatever, thats what you believe.  If you said,w e have the right to take measures to protect ourselves, I agree, but such measures could take the form of entering into a social contract where nobody was allowed to have certain kinds of weapons...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'let me ask you this, if you can't arm and protect yourself to defend yourself, your family and your country if needed, can you call yourself a free person? The answer is no you are not.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, you can'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'getting rid of guns doesn't get rid of killings, in fact its easier to make a bomb than it is to get a gun, or to run people over with a car'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'we accept all sorts of curtailments on our physical freedoms.  I am not free to purchase a car and drive it around without a license and insurance and I find that perfectly reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'More importantly, how long do you think you're other freedoms will last if you no longer have the means to secure them?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'there would be less crime if everyone was requried to have a gun, rather than trying to ban guns, as said Australia, and other situtions show this'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'your notion of what you think is reasonable or not is not universal, please acknowledge that much'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Do you think the turks on Capitol Hill are watching out for your best interests?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Okay, well you can call yourself that. But if your personal safety is at the mercy of only the police and military than you are not free no matter what you think or say.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'our other freedoms would last just as long as they have up to now'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since for the last hundred years or so, nobody has taken up arms to keep our freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Actually, there are some stories coming out of Russia you should hear. They used to be able to carry guns.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'haha like a well armed american society would present to the united states military anything more than a speed bump in establishing martial law.... did you SEE what happened in Iraq?  We would be better off storing fertilizer than guns if we wished to undermine the american military'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'without being issued said arms by the government'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'the writers of the constituion understood the need to bea ble to protect our freedoms, thats why they said its neccessary for a free state'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'when was the last time the people used fire power to stand up to the government?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Nazi Germany had a some interesting gun confiscations'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'successfully? never'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'So the argument that we need guns to defend against the government is....'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'last time they came close? civil war'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'But it really comes down to this. Does your desire to disarm me outweigh my right to be armed?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'blonk: in a word, dense'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So we have never had to take arms against a tyranical US government so far or for a long time...so its safe to remove the 2nd amendment? lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that it does, stab, that it does.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'if the government wants, they can lock up anyone they want, and guns wont do shit about it'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'If the government wasn't concerned about our firearms, then what's the big problem?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And milk says we gotta better chance just turning them in and just fighting a harsh dictatorship exclusively with poop and shit?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'other citizens are concertned about your firearms'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Let them be concerned.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'fertilizer is used to make bombs, and bombs can be used to disrupt supplies, resources, create IED's etc'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'where I live i can't even have pepper spray without a permit... seems a bit odd to me'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'aren't poop and shit the same thing?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'if it worked like that stab, the world would be different'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so yes, poop would help us (since it contains nitrates, an essential part of making saltpeter) much better than guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'one person stands up talking anti gun, and suddenly O MY GOD! The government is trying to take away my gun!'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'der der der'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well hand grenades are explosive too Milk.Should our armies drop their rifles to carry more grenades?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he actually hasn't stood up talking anti-gun, he's merely pointed out flaws in you-must-have-gun propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Classy, Blonk...classy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'another thing even scarier that would help mitigate martial law would be bio weapons, so maybe we should be storing up small pox?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'lets make the government trully afraid of us'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'is a bee-gun a bio-weapon?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'like in halflife'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'sorry, i live in a small town, worked in a bar of a city with 120 people in it, i am used to the gun argument and it gets under my skin'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'out of them 120 people,50 had a conceal carry permit :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I don't think everyone "must" have a gun. Forcing guns on people would be just as bad as forcing health insurance on people. It should be a choice. If you want a gun you should have one.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'guns really are the very last thign we need to stand up to a tyrannical government, they're inefficient, heavy, and we're way out gunned anyway'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just a small town girl, living in a lonely world'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'whats the first thing someone needs to stand up to a tyrannical government?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'a gas mask'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Will banning firearms stop violence, or even slow it down? History doesn't seem to think so.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in THIS government, speech'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'However, even the Geneva Convention deemed firearms to be among the more humane methods.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'when we had the revolutionary war they needed guns to acheive it'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i will be back to join in the debate if it is still going :) '
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'once again, the argument that I've heard of, that isn't being dealt with, is statistics for crimes WITH guns is significantly less in societies that ban all firearms (even for police)'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'remove firearms and it's back to fires, explosives, knives, etc...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Well, first you need to clearly determine the intent of gun control.  Is it to reduce firearm crimes/violence?  If so gun control is a bad place to start.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'good thing nobody in the world is under that government then, kalrom'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'it does not say LESS crime, it says LESS crime with guns, thats a huge huge difference'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'whats the point of less crimes with guns vs crimes in general, less crims with guns, doesn't mean less murders, etc'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'It stands to reason that if you ban shoes, more people will be bearfoot. But it doesn't stop them from walking.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'that statistic is worthless'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'milkshake: it's a huge difference, but it is the wrong question'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Unless the U.S. government's objective is to destroy all of our buildings and infrastructure and eradicate every major city. We would fare better with our arms vs. whatever amound of the military is actually willing to shoot their own countryman, much better than you think.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if we want to fight crime, the most alarming statistics say a reasonable minimum wage and preventative health care are the two easiest ways to accomplish that'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'So that argument is emptry rhetoric'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'krynal it is not a bad place to start to reduce crimes commmited with guns, the statistics are not conclusive, but they're pretty persuasive all the same'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it is a bad place to start'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its a bad place to start if you want to reduce crime in general, but not if you just want to reduce the incidence with guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'krynal?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if homicide is happening, there is zero reason to care whether it was committed using a gun or "other"...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'thats fallacious, it assumes homicide would ahppen no matter what'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'honmicide does happen no matter what'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'in all sorts of methods'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the statistic which was being used, and yes, they will'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the incidence of homicide is lower in assault and battery withotu guns than with, for instance'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'assault and battery is an entirely different statistic than homicide'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'with a gun homicide is clean. with everything else its dirty and makes you think first. or not if you're crazy'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kalrom: 'intent to kill often choose gun, when intent to harm woudl just do assault and battery, but intent to kill still works without a gun in many ways'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Guns are desirable when juxtaposed with some of the alternatives.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'let me rephrase since people misunderstood, homicides will happen, but the incidence of homicide is shown to be lower in classifications of crime like muggings when the mugger is armed with a knife instead of a gun'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and when the victim has a gun?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so if you assume that the intent of the crime is to reapproriate another's well, gun control appears to strongly correlate with less incidental or colleteral homicide in such crimes'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'an incidents are even lower when the mugged are carrying a firearm.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if the intent is to murder, I can see that gun bans probably have negligable impact, but most crimes aren't started with an intent to murder. '
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'except that's the statistic which you were misreading in the first myth of the pdf...homicide rates didn't decrease'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'wealth* hahaha!'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'How do you take firearms away from an unwilling and uncooperative population?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'first incentive, then force'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'you can't look at global homicide rates, too many factors'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Exactly. By the use guns. And that's exactly why they need to stay.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rather, first positive incentive, then negative incentive, finally force'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its like looking at a differential equation and cherry picking the variables'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but it seems a little more reasonable to look at homicide rates within classifications of crimes'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so is your posit, milk'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the issue'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'and by seems, yes I recognize I'm utilizing my personal judgement'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'so it's ok to use guns to disarm law-abiding citizens, but not ok for those law-abiding citizens to maintain something that lends to their perosnal security?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'also picking a "homicide rate" on countries that are in the middle of a WAR in that graph in the first "myth" is hilariously focused'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Around 11k people were killed by guns last year. How do you estimate how many of those people would have been killed if no one had guns?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: '280,000 people died in the US last year from Medical Errors.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I'm still saying that rigid firearm bans are not well understood, and we're nto discussing them at the caliber I wish we were as a nation'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they weren't in the middle of the war when the statistic was taken'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'not going to get into a semantic argument about what the IRA was doing in the 90's'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we can't discuss them at the caliber you wish as a nation...look at this convo...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Honestly, it shouldn't even be a discussion. The Supreme Court ruled twice in favor of preserving and protecting the right to bear arms.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'lets just say, not taking the IRA into account as a factor in homicide rates in ireland is rather a narrow focus'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Anti-Gun nuts need to check their cowardly soul and concede defeat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the supreme court doesn't make laws or constitutional amendments...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the flynn affect suggests we're getting smarter, moreover, its my personal opinion that conversations just like these slowly and inexcorably raise the quality of debate'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'inexorably* my god I need food :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'feed me seymour'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'this (Debate) Stabulous: 'Anti-Gun nuts need to check their cowardly soul and concede defeat.' is an ad-hominen, and I hope you realize that it makes you look like an ass as well as undermining anything else you might say :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not on issues like this in a largish scale, IMO...guns, abortions, etc. won't have good debates on a national level for many years'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Flynn should read Don Quixote or Shakespeare and get back to me.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes but what marches us forward to that greater debate?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its well acknowledge that the smartest of us aren't getting smarter, but that average is still very much increasing, ergo, it allows for cervantes, and the bard to exist in a time where the average person was largely illeterate and under-nourished'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'illiterate haha okay seriously goign to go eat'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You snicker softly.
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the average is getting more edumacated, dunno that I'd necessarily call 'em smarter ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'google flynn affect'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'effect*'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just cuz they've named it doesn't make it correct'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'completely agree, just because you said that doesn't mean the thing they named is incorrect.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but its nice to be able to refer to a complex idea in a simple way, viz a viz a name :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'He didn't propose it either.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the tests are quite invalid, and test education more than intellect'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'uhhh, well I think thats certainly a concern, something that has been brought up before, but I think its not something I'd hang my hat on'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I tend to hang my hat on the truth, regardless of what "they" say :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'exactly and my point is that you cannot know that for truth'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sure I can'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'rather, that the evidence to suggest that the tests are flawed and not measuring anythign we would call intelligence is less persuasive in general than the evidence that the tests are not flawed'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then you've not looked at the tests...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'thats a fallacy, that I would agree with you if I only knew what you knew but you can't be bothered to spell that out and so I must, of course, not know and its a subtle ad hominen'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's a truth...it's a necessary fact that they're flawed, and nothing that can be fixed by better tests'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I don't accept that as truth'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I have no reason to'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ok, then it's merely the entire definition of iq that you're misunderstanding'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'until we can manage a brain scan to test potential, the tests will be flawed'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'soooo from the 'neutral' source ... 'There is debate about whether the rise in IQ scores also corresponds to a rise in intelligence,'  and I think that means that there lacks a consensus and to say that it means that IQ is not at all correlated with "intelligence" is to suggest that there is no debate about it'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'also to suggest there is a debate doesn't mean that one side isn't much more persuasive and I happen to believe that the side of "IQ IS correlated to intelligence" is the more persuasive side'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not IQ...it's IQ test results...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'hats nitpicking, of course I meant IQ test results '
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'If the aborigine drafted an IQ test, all of Western civilization would presumably flunk it. -- Stanley Garn'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'How about this. Let us begin with the greatest transgressors and work our way down the list.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'You know, we have much bigger problems to solve, and more noble tasks to put our minds to.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Starvation, poverty, disease.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I don't agree with that guy, not every IQ test is in English or requires any cultural understanding'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'its possible a test designed by an alien to measure intelligence would be perfectly acceptable, and that , for instance, Raven's Progressive Matrices might be useful for all cultures'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't need to be English,and it doesn't need to be culture that is understood...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'however, applied tests DO require pre-knowledge or understanding of a sort'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'The origin of the IQ test is a rather alarming history lesson in itself.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'Stabulous what could be more noble than discussing the meta concerns of how we think, given that it subsumes all other tasks that require thinking?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Sorry, I was AFK for a moment and thought the gun issue was still on the table.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'someone may have great spacial intelligence, but have never seen tesselations...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'yes, yes abelinc these points have been made and counterpoints galore, and you're still not saying something new to me that I find persuasive, personally.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'But not knowing where we're at in a conversation has never slowed me down much.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are no counterpoints'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's simple fact'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'haha very much disagree with that'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the test are the best we have, and we should continue to use them'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but the flaws are recognizable and recognized'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I didn't say the tests didn't have flaws, I said the tests are correlated with intelligence'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and we can hope for the day when we do have the brain scan to determine potential'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'i hope we never see that day'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'i don't know why you would hope for that'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that day is is closer than you think.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And so the conversation turned, until the sun went down...and many fantasies were learned:o'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'What can we do together to improve our immediate condition?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'stay in school, get a better job :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'play nice'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'Good!'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and shmooze like you've never shmoozed before'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'heh, remove any carried interest loophole on capital gains and treat it as any other source of income'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in today's society, it's mostly about who you know rather than what you know.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'changes in test results among populations across long timespans do not have correlations with changes in intelligence...we're not evolving to a higher-level human brain across 3 generations...the tests given aren't the same, the things taught aren't the same'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'As the saying goes, "It's who you know and who you blow.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it has ALWAYS been more about who you know than what you know...nothing to do with today's society'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'nobody used the word evolving, the reasons I think the flynn effect is being observed ... I would personally attribute it to a combination of nutrition, increased medical knowledge for dealing with infections, and behavior passed on from parents'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but there are lots of proposed reasons and that is also very muchi n debate'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'I would attribute it to the social connectivity.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Caramel Milkshake nods at Stabulous.
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'social connectivity doesn't change intelligence...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'oh I disagree with that, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then we're back at the misunderstanding of the term'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'if you care to define it I shall read what you think the term means'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'That depends on if we can agree that Intelligence is tantamount to potential.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as relates to IQ, it is the person's inherent ability to learn'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I like this definition a little bit more: Intelligence has been defined in many different ways including, but not limited to, logic, abstract thought, understanding, self-awareness, communication, learning, having emotional knowledge, retaining, planning, and problem solving.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'well a lot more'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, I'd like it more if it weren't partially wrong in parts and completely wrong in others...'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'I think, it is necessarily multi-faceted.  And, each of those facets do not exist independently but rather interoperate in ways that surpass current knowledge.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but good to see that you can quote the first sentence in wiki :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'well, its easy to be right when you can be so declarative, i suppose, and two, I see no shame and no reason to point out that I quoted wikipedia'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'maybe you meant to imply that I cannot think for myself if I use someone else's definition?  Seems such an ad hominen'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no definition of intelligence, particularly when referring to IQ, can correctly contain a facet containing "knowledge"'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, nice of you to work out theories of people ad homineming all over the place'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I suppose that's okay, since IQ tests are really only testing your ability to perform under pressure.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'ahh yes but you see I personally believe that learning without knowledge is not possible, and this discussion, the nature of epistomology very very quickly gets to metaphysics and I think that is where we're headed'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not under pressure'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'So we can't even agree on the defintion of 'intelligence'?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'LOL!'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, what?  IQ tests are open-book?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'learning without knowledge is not possible...how does a creature begin to learn?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'IQ tests may be open book'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Stabulous: 'From nature, from others (social connectivity), and from personal experience.,'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'the better question is what is knowledge, if you must start with some to learn the next fact'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but I Think knowledge and learning are actually less distinct, not two separate concepts but a continuum in which we've labelled both ends'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so, basically, there's no reason to ever expect anything but perfect scores on IQ tests?  I mean, if you can just look up the answer it doesn't seem like a very good test.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'but my argument goes something like this, a bunch of metal rolls down a hill a bunch of times and after several trillion times eventually assembles itself into a watch and thus knowledge and from there maybe learning'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'depends on the test, hans...they're not exactly spelling tests'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'its not exactly a pass fail test'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'or, if you prefer, motion eventually brings together evolution from which emerges the continuum we agreed on, knowledge and learning, and that creatures are not distinct, we flow from each other in a procreative fashion, pulling mass and organizing principles from our forebears'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'so we don't begin to learn, we continue to learn'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ooh, this is getting hot'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's even worse.  IQ = Rorsach?'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rorshach: 'Yea'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'although I do have to admit that simply willing yourself to geniushood would be much more convenient.'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Caramel Milkshake: 'oh that would be both convenient and lovely'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'worked for W'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i was just thinking for npcs who use it. have to ast dissiolve like 10 fucking times, and the instant you get it off, they just cast it again'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then your stats suck :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're both single...level up a bit and marry him :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm all over today'
T3/r7/2013-08-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '''''
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"hardcore" is a term some games use for "one life only" mode...'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'now I understand hardcore porno. Thanks, Abe.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'glad I could help'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'XKeyscore'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bank of england is short 1300 tons of gold'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'short as in missing, or short as in not enough to back currency?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'short as in missing'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as in "have made loans of gold we don't own"'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently they're not the only western bank institution in trouble over it, the big 4 corporate banks are similarly exposed, there is considerable panic atm in bullion banks'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'could you imagine?  what if we (USA) had another embasy over run?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... how about this... could you imagine?  what if we (USA) landed on the moon again?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are several layers of tasty bait in that last one.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no no no, Abelinc... you're supposed to say "Who the hell can prove we landed there in the first place?!"'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'help ninja'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'er, mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mis?  too bad.  That could have been the single greatest debate in debate channel history!'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bah!... I'm going to make some sawdust.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some asian countries have placed emergency taxes on the sales of bullion to prevent the stresses caused by demand on their exposed banks'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so - there is no point anywhere that can represent an irrational number. that means irrational numbers are pointless!'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'have you ever heard of the real line?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a minute ago..'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'math sucks'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the real line contains point for all real numbers, amazingly.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and since radical 2, for instance, is real, albeit irrational, it is represented on the real line.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'all of it, its nothing real. real line is as imaginary as it can get'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, to each its own :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yeah. point can be many things, real is imaginary. its all topsy turvy'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, world wheat production is up 4.3% from last year, 690 million metric tons, the 2nd highest wheat harvest ever.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'there is this nice new ted talk. cows rule'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cows damage the pasture.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'franken cows that weigh 1600 lbs do.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prefer smaller breeds.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, the US produced 69% more pasta wheat in 2012 then it did in 2011.  Gotta love the pasta wheat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Production in the U.S., the worlds largest wheat exporter, may drop by 6.1 percent to 58 million tons because of drought in the southern Great Plains.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should grow the wheat in Texas.....we just had 12 days of rain.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with that much rain, shouldn't you be growing rice instead?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'That much rain is not typical, so no.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is one of the largest growers of rice in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Grats?'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not a big rice eater....'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never was very good at making fried rice, so I gave it up.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'man rice sounds good right now. i have a wok not in use :('
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fried rice with grilled tilapia'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pork is better'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the fried rice is cooked in pork fat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is the 5th largest producer of wheat...how depressing....'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We grow too much corn....'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Farmers across the world will harvest 838 million metric tons of corn in the 2012-13 crop year, down 3 percent from 864 million tons forecast on July 26 and below last years output of 875 million tons'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corn prices are rocketing up.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of that production the US will grow 275 million tons, down from 300 million tons in 2011-2012'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my local feed store ran out of barley.....can only buy 50 lb sacks of wheat now....:('
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the future supply of barley looks grim because of the drought.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'The US needs to grow less shit, because we poison everything we grow now. epa just made the standards even worse, you can now consum 30x the poison'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'The projections for next year are close to a 30% increase though...for corn.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'almost all corn grown in the US for animal feed.....field corn as it is called, or deer corn.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love buying 50 lb bags of field corn at the feed store though.....50 lbs of corn for about $12....that makes a lot of corn bread.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Corn was always going to take a hit last year when we had a hot dry spring into fall.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'your can buy a 40 lb bag of deer corn for $6 at some grocery stores in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'That is expensive.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Relative to here.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is nothing compared to the cost of sweet corn :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '4 ears of sweet corn for $1 at the store will make 2 loaves of polenta corn bread.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'I can't do corn bread unless it's the old style oiled cast iron.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I buy the wheat to produce fodder to feed the chickens and rabbits though.....but not much because they depend on forage mostly.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Krynal: 'Insert Lard for oil..or whatever.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 lb of wheat grain turns into 6 lbs of sprouted fodder....and the protein is more digestible for the animals.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now I feed 16 chickens on about 10 cents of wheat per day, plus they spend most of the day foraging for bugs and stuff....the eggs are fantastic.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I also added a maggot bucket to their chicken house pen.......they love that thing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they're not just foraging for bugs... they're foraging for yesterdays crap.  Chickens are only about 11-12% efficient eaters... their poop is very nutritious for them'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's why chicken crap is such a hot fertilizer... and why you can mix it with grass and pelletize it for dairy feed'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love those chicken eggs....pasture chickens are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer rabbit meat though....easier to grow, and they only eat weeds, and grasses, plus a little hay for fiber.'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if rabbits produced eggs like a chicken does, the rabbit most likely would have become the dominate meat animal in the US....'
T3/r7/2013-08-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more likely we'd all become eggatarians.  Have you seen how readily rabbits breed?'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hunter training for hunters and firearm training for shoots.... the hunting training should include enough firearms safety to count towards firarm trininag'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and so the administration rolls out a fake terror threat and closes down a bunch of unrelated embassies to celebrate the end of ramahdan. Not at all designed to cover up the latest re-statement of the revelations of Benghazi being a cover up of a botched attempted to transfer weapons illegally to insurgents in Syria, nor is it to cover up the NSA scandal by re-asserting it's need to protect from manufactured threats'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or am i just too cynical for this world?'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BBC came out with an article/program pushing the theory that extreme-right wing material was found in the boston bombers home along with films about 9/11 and oklahoma bombing conspiracies - looks like the government is trying to push that angle again.......... without stopping to think that both conspiracies would create an anti-islamist slant among anyone that impressionable, aside from the fact that they were card carrying members of the DEMOCRAT party, neither were white, and at the elder of which had links to the CIA along with his uncle'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now we just need something to come out claiming they were NRA members and we have the full set of bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh oh, forgot they leant heavily on the "he smoked pot" button, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'beef jerky is the ultimate survival food....everyone should have at least 50 lbs of it in storage.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The NSA heard that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hope so'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Rizgoth.
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the jerky is with my 20,000 rounds of ammo also.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you're really lucky, they'll tell FEMA, so the next disaster recovery goes better.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada ducks defensively.
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global climate change is good...the occurence of hurricanes is down quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'some day the UN geniuses will manage to create climate models that work better than random walk, then we might actually learn stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bought a jerky gun last week.....so much easier to make jerky with that thing......should have bought some years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada sits down and thinks deeply. 
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'found some $1.99 lb 97/3 hamburger today....bought 30 lbs...going to make hamburger jerky.'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you horde jerky, you'll be arrested in the event of a crisis and your stash confiscated'
T3/r7/2013-08-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll also die of a heart attack'
T3/r7/2013-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, an suv with sonar.'
T3/r7/2013-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'idiot drivers in houston after it rains could use sonar with their suvs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tata motors is doing a damn good job with the new range rovers.'
T3/r7/2013-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bezos buying the washington post outright using his pocket change'
T3/r7/2013-08-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rizgoth's been watching UK top gear again'
T3/r7/2013-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Valero, the world's largest independent refiner, completed building two new hydrocrackers, one last year at its refinery in Port Arthur, Texas, and another last month in St. Charles Parish, La. Each cost about $1.5 billion and can process 60,000 barrels of petroleum feed stocks a day.'
T3/r7/2013-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because of high demand for american diesel overseas, Valero has decided to expand the two plants for another $2 billion, and double production of diesel fuel.  Adding hundreds if not thousands of new middle class jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Because of huge new natural gas and oil deposits, the US has become the largest exporter of petroleum products again.'
T3/r7/2013-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What is interesting though.  It is cheaper for New England states to import gasoline from Europe and Africa than it is to import gasoline from the gulf coast of the US.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hopefully Canada will build that new huge refinery to make diesel and gasoline from tar sands oil near the tar sands deposits, and pipeline that fuel to new england states to compete against europe and africa.'
T3/r7/2013-08-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder what a 50 foot long great white shark would do.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Nidal Hasan is such a terrorist.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'honestly... the only thing that the Fort Hood survivors GET out of a terrorist, as opposed to "work place violence" incident is a bit of purple ribbon, and a higher priority for medical and mental services....  why can't it just be called what it is?  I guess as long as it's labeled "work place violence", we can keep our head in the sand.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Minimum wage leads to higher taxes and less motivated employees around the minimum wage level. Discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'discuss what? You won.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I also think research shows that having a minimum wage leads to lower minimum wages. Not sure why that would be, though....'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Blonk: huh. Odd. I'm just wondering, coming from a country with no minimum wage, if that is true or that is FUD.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'And if those causal links have been established.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden has no minimum wage, but sure has higher taxes than the US that does.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Anyone from Sweden on (this channel)?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Hmm, OK.. well where do your taxes go, if I have assumed correctly?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'healthcare, schools, police, firefighting, social security, defense, plus a lot of junk'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Well, sounds about right...'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Biggest diff from the US is probably that we have tax financed schools (up to university level) and healthcare.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'So school fees are practically 0?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We do spend way less on healthcare and prisons.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'social health care is correlated with slower gdp growth'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Correct.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Eh... that was supposed to say "less on defense and prisons"'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Ugh, I should not ask on debate when I am ready to go to bed :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Hmm, have to look up defence spending :/'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Singapore seems to "have to" spend a lot...'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We also have a balanced budget, which is kind of radical for the western world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Heh.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'What, no deficit-based growth?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We tried that in the 80s and 90s. '
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not a great move, it turns out. Who knew?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'How come? Not enough people to borrow from?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Interest.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It adds up. Especially with the rates in the early 90s, we were turning south quickly, before we managed to turn it around.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'And Sweden has had a balanced budget since?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Mid 90s or so. It's illegal to have an unbalanced budget since then.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Huh, illegal. How do you do that, sack a finance department if the deficit is too high? I'd imagine surplus is not a problem...'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We can still get a deficit some years, but the budget has to be balanced.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We don't have crooked politicians that are payed by corporations. Or, at least, they hide it better.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The budget cannot be accepted if it isn't balanced.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Heh, I was just thinking of Millennium'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the politicians don't get their summer break until the budget is accepted :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'doesn't sweden have a much higher tax rate?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'higher than most'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Denmark beats us, but I think we are second world wide.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, that sucks.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'And how do you do on cost of living?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they have lower income inequality i think'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No idea.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'cost of living is pretty high in the scandinavian countries'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but they don't have as many poor'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'From what I hear, but then many people I've heard from are visitors there (exchange students)'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Hah, I am going to try this, if it is against the rules, i am sorry. But hey, everyone should help save a beautiful island in my home city. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/326/181/780/stop-the-city-of-winona-from-turning-latsch-island-into-industrial-zone/'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We're a social democtratic country. No one should be rich, and no one should be poor.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'But people should be satisfied, or the government goes, right?'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'better poor than rich is their philosophy'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have these things called elections every few years :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Yeah but I don't really hear about revolts or riots or massive strikes in Sweden :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'income equality is pretty important imo'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's beacause no swede want to make a fuss. The french strike twice every week and arrange blockades and kidnap their bosses. It's not the swedish way.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'because even if your cost of living is low, as long as your poor still can't afford stuff it's still a problem'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Red: yep.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The difference between a high income job and a low income job is much smaller here than most other countries. If that is good or bad depends on your view.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'We have been striking a lot historically, and we have/had strong unions. Nowadays, unions are getting weaker... good or bad, up to you.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'Ranrr: ah, OK.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'globalisation will drag the scandinavian countries down sooner or later :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe. Or, more likely, we will change to be like any other country. Except with hotter chicks.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'globalisation is also gonna dilute the gene pool!'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't mind, I find chicks with mixed genes really sexy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'using the US as an example, Unions were absulutly critical to the nations success in the early years of industrialization.  Unions ensured that immegrants wern't yanked off the boats and thrust into slave-like conditions.  They ensured that the American dream (or at least a small piece of it) was attainable by everyone... Today - Unions are smoke screens for bitchy little girls who don't wanna work hard... they want a job, and a salarie, but they don't want to try very hard to keep it, or advance in it'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Sure Von, but not all employers care about their employees safety or rights. The unions have pretty strong resources to make things difficult for the dodgy employers. They are still needed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem with unions, as I see it, is when they use their power to influence politics in areas where they shouldn't.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '-f 4'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was a typo, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: '...or was it'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that's debateable'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dodgy employers... hmmm.  In this day of instant information, unprecedented access to the legal system, and tax-payer funded programs to "blow the whistle" - Unions are extrenious.  They are not NEEDED to ensure the "Safety" of employees, they exist only to negotiate an appropriate number of smoke breaks, and to ensure that the employer is paying out his ARSE for gazeebos, and wages.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to the union mentality, if an emplyer makes a profit, he's not paying out enough for the emplyees.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'An English Teachers' Union might have spelled that 'extraneous', though...'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'But you might have a point.'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-08-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the NEA is a good example of a union who does not know its purpose... they have an entire agenda, from pro-abortion, to gay marriage that has NOTHING to do with the fact that teachers are amongst the most underpaid profession in the country.  the NEA spends MILLIONS of teachers dues each year on these 'extraneous' causes that have nothing to do with helping teachers.  '
T3/r7/2013-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'does arkansas suck?'
T3/r7/2013-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I like the police, I have a lot of their cds.'
T3/r7/2013-08-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the actual police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the actual police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'got it the first time :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I was just thinking. the sun being 492 ls from the earth can only be true around perihelion, at aphelion it has to be farther.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the earth is at 490.67 ls at perihelion and 507.34 ls at aphelion...'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the mean distance being 499.24 ls...'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the actual police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what about the virtual one?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The difference in the distance from the sun and the earth makes for about a 4 degrees difference in average temperature iirc. Right now we are closest sometime in the winter, but this has a 22k year cycle.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Some people seem to think that the distance from the sun is what causes seasons... it's not.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'seasons are function of the axial tilt of the earth'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Correct. You get a cookie.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the earth didn't wobble we wouldn't have seasons :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'But the distance from the sun makes the winters milder and summers hotter  in the northern hemisphere and vice versa in the southern.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, I agree. I was just pondering on the answer to the trivia question that the sun was 492 ls away :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'm just writing because I am happy I remember something I read :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, that info (22k years et al) came from "Bad Astronomy". Recommend it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I was also thinking about time travel :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'assuming that it was possible, if we traveled back in time we would end up in the middle of space :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'since the earth, the solar system, the galaxy and the local group (to make a short list) have moved on to other parts of the universe.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so time travelers would have to move at right angles to the space-time... piece of cake.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the actual police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( that was a recording )
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for any of you who are in the mood to feel insignificant: '
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Earths_Location_in_the_Universe_JPEG.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'fuck the police'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Deputy] Trurien: 'How is that a debate? You can have sexual relations with anyone you want.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If we had all driven hybrid cars since 2000, 1,445,971,501.65 gallons of gas would have been saved in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or if we'd just driven efficient cars, like honda CRX from 20-30 years ago which still beats most hybrids...or jetta TDIs with WVO...or or or'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or if we rode a horse and buggy instead......'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'Perhaps we could already be using nuclear fusion to get to work if the funding was there.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'There's probably a lot of people who could be using bicylcles.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I kinda like that new hybrid that Ford is making....110 mpg, and about the same size as the prius.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But if we all used unicycles, we could save on rubber too'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: 'My sides, where hath ye fled?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Crazy idea: Combine fuel efficient car with hybrid technology... probably diesel.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the problem with a diesel hybrid though....the current cost would add about $12,000 over a regular 40 mpg gasoline car.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not like locomotives haven't been using diesel generators to run electric motors on wheels practically forever...'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'diesel electric locomotives also cost hundreds of thousands, and haul freight...so you get your money back :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'go to home depot, grab a cheap-ass generator, plug your Volt into it and see how far you can get :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like hybrids, but the current cost premium makes them not worth it compared to a regular mpg car.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exactly.
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially if you own more than 1 vehicle.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was looking at the current prius plug in....its price premium is almost $8500 more than the regular prius, for a lousy 11 miles of EV.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in 2009, I added a plug in to my 2009 prius for $4000.....and doubled the battery size for another $2000....it gave my prius a 26 mile EV mode.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I doubt it costs Toyota more than a local shop to add the plug in to a car :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Hybrids are gay'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, such an enlightened view'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I think that is a part of the reason they haven't caught on yet along with everything else mentioned so far. The south would feel gay driving one.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hybrids are currently 4% of the market.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Volt was a step in the right direction, except for the price.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they basically bought a generator at home depot and bolted it to the frame......kinda like what abe said.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is there a hybrid volt, or just EV?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a gasoline electric car.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ok, I thought that one was electric only'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a gasoline generator recharges the batteries which powers the electric motors on each wheel.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'extremely efficient and high torque, but really heavy....the car needs to lose 500 lbs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, that's how they should be...engine charging but not propelling...much simpler, much cheaper (whether or not they pass that on to us, of course)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the electric-only cars without a generator may be OK for commuters, but lack of ability to drive distance is too significant until they can standardize on a battery bank which can be swapped out mechanically'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, fuel cell cars using methanol would really good.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'use a fuell cell to charge the batteries that run the car.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a hydraulic machine to essentially do the rhino propane thing at the gas stations would be great, but all manufacturers would need to standardize, andright now they all think that their sole advantage over competitors is their battery design'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe, Tesla wants to set up battery exchange locations on major highways so that Tesla owners can swap out battery packs and keep going.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That would be great, if all manufacturers could agree on a standard battery....'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Seems unlikely.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, start making them commodity'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'are they still using li-ion tech?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I figure 10-15 years before they see the benefit'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you would think there would be a standard battery considering the technology is well over 100 years old.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if tesla gets enough of their stations around for market share acceptance, they can probably license their module design to the others'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still like the idea of a fuel cell vehicle though.....extremely efficient, and it can power your house :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are a lot of battery standards.... just not for this, yet.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If fuel cell technology can be made more efficient, sure, it's a nice battery tecnology.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, like for car, bike, marine and truck batteries, there's a couple sizes and terminal placements but they're pretty standard'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'imo the trick should be to get batteries energy dense enough to last 2-3 days of use, with a simple enough charging mechanism that you can plug it in at home'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'then you can forget all those charging stations'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'without using something like a gas/diesel generator, I don't see that being viable in the near-enough future'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or super fast recharging....then all those gas stations can also sell quick charges.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they do have quick-or-slow charging, but the quick charging will NEVER be like filling up with gas'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Except maybe at the power plant :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2311740/New-mobile-phone-battery-charge-SECOND.html'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nah, not even there...the issue is more the heat generated, etc'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no reason why it shouldn't be possible'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just need more research into battery technology'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Just dip the car in liquid nitrogen while you charge. :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lots of excess heat just means that the charging isn't being very efficient'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, the reasons for it not being reasonably possible are real physics limitations...'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'such as?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ummm, that's not even close to true, red'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'seems to me that we need to move on from chemical based batteries....'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just need something better'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lithium ion batteries have been around for what, 30 years?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it seems to me that using a generator of some kind to produce power to run the car would be the most efficient way to propel a vehicle.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, a girl I went to grade school with, her grandfather invented one of the earlier implantable pacemakers...then developed the lithium iodide battery to power it which powers pretty much all pacemakers'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'All the police should have to drive hybrids, because fuck them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, hovercrafts are vehicles of disaster.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'can Obama read all e-mails?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'can Ritchie Blackmore play all guitars?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'are you saying Obama could read but cant read='
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'No, it was a short way of saying: Yes, given time and opportunity.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or perhaps that's what you meant.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if i would be the president of usa, i'd let people to do the reading for me. while me being in a bathtub with 7 naked ladies from each race'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sounds like you don't worry about getting re-elected'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nah. the reelection is more convenient that changing every 4 years - it's guaranteed anyway by the illuminati.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'there is a red dot on my chest now...'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just wipe it off'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its made of light'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'deflect it'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'cover it with something black'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'get a prism!'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You climb to the top of a clock tower and assemble your rifle.
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what if I told you the red dot is controlled by humans?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'in movies - you raise your index finger and grab the phone. all gets delayed'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'bring a diffraction grating. That will surely confuse the humans that control multiple dots.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '+the'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I guess gun grabbers are really flippin about Starbucks allowing open and concealed weapon carriers into their stores, in accordance with the law of course. I guess people think it is insensitive?'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tough shit...their property, they can allow what they like...don't like it, go elsewhere :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's an apartment complex that's evicting gun-owners if they choose not to get rid of their guns.'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'not even their business to know if they have them'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, it's their business to know if tenants have a dog, so meh :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'apples and oranges'
T3/r7/2013-08-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'gun owners aren't all that secret about the fact they have guns.  Some are merely hunters, some have carry permits, and some are legally required to have one on them at all times (ie, police officers).'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'under (Missouri) state law, part-time firefighters don't get death benefits if they die in the line of duty.  Should they?'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I recommend not dying in the line of duty.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think they should get what ever it is they signed up for.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'true, but full-time firefighters get lifetime death-benefits.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... and that's what they signed up for'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I presume that we are talking about the 19 firefighters that died fighting the forest fire?\'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think so, it was on NPR, but I was exposed via a third-hand accounting (and that in the middle of said accounting so I didn't get all the details).'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I believe we are thining of the same incident... in which case, the state is going to pay out some special money'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mostly because of the national attention, and the shear magnitude of the tragedy'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even for the part-timers?'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just to the families of the 19.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Our right to own a standard military firearm is protected by the Constitution. Deal with it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Also, fuck the police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'i own many "military" style guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Your right to own a standard military firearm is not at all protected by the Constitution, silly kid'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'if you actually read through some of these laws they wish to outlaw any firearm that was originally designed as a military weapon. regardless of year of make.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i think they should have better laws in place for controlling who  gets a firearm'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Right to bear arms, yeah.  Make no mention of specifics, so it is left to the laws to control that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'how can one effectively defend ones self from the government when we are not equally armed?'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'duh why would i want defend myself against the government they're suppose to protect me'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Never said you could.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Well, if a very unpopular government acts against its citizens with the military'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'jkjk'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: '..the people in the military may not take the orders.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'that may be true but there are certain people I don't trust with a tank, or a B-1 Bomber.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'acutally in 1967 1970 1984 and other supreme court rulings, it is not the duty of any state, local or national police force to protect the citizens, their job is ONLY to pursue suspects after crimes are committed'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is because the law enforcement agencies are not constitutionally backed. Only the sheriff is. Basically police forces are rent-a-cops.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'you got it spot on'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'i was wondering if anyone else acutally understood thats what police are for'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Why is that hard to understand?'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'that is the difference between officers, sherrifs and their deputies'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Most of the time the police are just looking for crimes, not actively protecting someone like as in a witness protection program.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all you have to notice is that a police chief is hired, the sheriff is elected.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brendir: 'tell that to the cheif lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the sheriff deputizes his underlings, the police chief hires them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, a sheriff's deputy represents an elected official.'
T3/r7/2013-08-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is why the idea of cities contemplating hiring "private" police forces is not a big deal. They already do. The only difference would be that "private" police forces would expect a profit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Fuck the police'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what would you recommend as an alternative?'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Police that don't make you want to say "fuck the police"'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure that true criminals would fear or respect such a policeman'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'As if they do now?'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point is that without police, you will have anarchy'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Law abiding citizens should be relived when police arrive. Nowadays the cops you call yourself can end up shooting you.'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'cops here shot a fellow just the yesterday, maybe sunday... he called the cops on his neighbors... when the cops got there, the guy who called the cops was on his porch with a gun.  cops told him to put the gun down, but instead, he starts waving it around... end result, cops shoot him'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'clasic example of what you mentioned:  "Nowadays the cops you call yourself can end up shooting you."'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but that guy was a dumbass... unfortunatly, he probobably alread bread'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have plenty of issues with the police in our (USA) society:  many of them are wanna-be rambos who get all suited up in their kevlar vests and wanna bust down doors...  most municipal police officers don't have half the training they should have to do that sort of work.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the alternative is anarchy, and THAT's alot worse.'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'HLS has been pumping a lot of equipment into local police and sherif departments... high speed stuff like armor personnel carriers, helicopters, and hummers'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'And that is all because of the war on drugs which needs to end'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Stop and frisk was ruled as unconstitutional, no shit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I am listening on this channel, should the debate actuially shift here'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, nobody turned up for a Climate Change rally in Georgetown'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change and healthcare, the two 'democrat' achilles heels'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'immigration, economy, the other two 'democrat' achilles heels'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: '*yawn*'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar achilles heels to the ones our lovely conservative/liberal government has here'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's what you get when you feed a mostly dumb public a diet of stupid'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'then stop'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll never stop'
T3/r7/2013-08-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'This afternoon I saw the movie Stanley and Livingstone, from 1939. Tremendous cast -- Spencer Tracy, Cedric Hardwick, Walter Brennan, Charles Coburn. Thing is, it's attitudes about blacks in 'darkest Africa' were so obsolete and condescending that it was difficult to watch here in 2013. Still, it was compelling. One hell of a good adventure movie. Not sure where I was going with all that. Just musing, I suppose.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oh, hmm, apparently we've cracked the Al Qaeda communications code.  I wonder how long ago it was, seeing as how CNN just told the world about it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shivre: 'And 10 seconds after revealing it debated whether it should have been made public'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Shivre: 'cnn kills me'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'shades of GW1, I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/14/terrifying-voice-on-the-other-end-of-hacked-baby-monitor-wake-up-allyson-you-little/'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the debacle surrounding the media response to the missouri obama rodeo clown guy makes the whole nation look like a banana republic full of retards. The only good thing to come out of it will be the healthy check he'll get when he sues for wrongful dismissal '
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'how is he going to be able to sue?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's clearly not in breach of contract, hasn't broken any laws, why would he be fired?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'don't know of that case, but did he have a contract?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he's been fired it would suggest he has'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in many places, employers don't actually need a reason to fire you'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'umm, no it wouldn't'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'being fired means you're employed, not that you have a contract'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yea, they dont want he to work there, they let him go, and in the brief article i just read, he can get his job back if he takes sensitivity training'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any country that has any form of sensible employment law you do, i don't know about USA'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I disagree heartily, tiger'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he was a rodeo clown that wore a mask of Obama.  The announcer (who was also fired) asked the crowd if they wanted to see Obama gored/trampled by a bull.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yea, if someone wants to fire you, thats up to them, if we start sueing because we get fired, it is going to make things in this country even worse'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly wasn't a firing offence, and firing him is just a political reaction'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, though, unless you have a contract, there needn't be any offense to be fired'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it was the state fair officals, i am sure they got tons and tons of complaints'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well IF he had a contract, he can sue, if he didn't have a contract, then he still shouldn't have been fired'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'if you go to work, and you get a thousand complaints, i am pretty sure your boss will not be happy with you'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, the crowd loved it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course the fucking crowd loved it'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was funny, it was kinda his job'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the people complaining weren't even at the fair.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'there was outrate and applause, so it went both ways'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did Jay Leno get fired for taking the piss out of the president?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have comedians over the last 50 years got fired or investigated by the justice department, NAACP and secret service for taking the piss out a president?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is so completely beyond ridiculous that I can scarcely believe it's real'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might want to look up a UK TV program that ran in the 80s and 90s called "Spitting Image"'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno about comedians...'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it would be the same thing only the other way if the guy was wearing a reagan mask.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people used to take the piss out of Reagan all the time, ditto with Bush'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a student did get suspended, though, for debating on the side against Obama.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was no witch hunt'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and neither should there have been'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'it doesnt bother that obama was mocked at all, so i really dont care, but i for sure dont think he should be able to sue.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of political correctness and a liberal media witchhunt a man has lost his livelihood, you're OK with that?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'a bunch of people in charge of the fair decided they did not want him to be employed there any more, i am fine with that. yes, thats how jobs work.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it should be said that, despite the name and makeup, a rodeo clown's job is not to be funny...it's not a comic relief job, it's a very serious safety one'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'your b oss does not like you? Guess what is going to happen'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people should boycott that rodeo'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'anyone who gives a shit will...they won't notice.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'heh, now thats just nonsense, your bitching about one person losing their job'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'and you want to hurt EVERYONE attached to the rodeo over it?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'um..'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, thats the end of this conversation, have a good one '
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: '*snort*'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not nonsense, it's how you "vote" to organizations...'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, abe, it's what got Starbucks to move a little on paying UK tax'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but Blonk wouldn't have done anything because it might have hurt the workers at Starbucks'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'vote with your wallet...but it also only works if people who would otherwise patronize them agree with you strongly enough to also vote that way'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're not prepared to vote with your wallet, you might as well dig your own grave and lie in it right now since nothing will ever change, and shit will only ever get worse'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just hope someone else comes through for that guy'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'To 'vote with your wallet you must per force vote Democrat. Bush, Bush, and Reagan had collapses in economy, and in deficit. Deficits down under Clinton and Obam'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'To live like a Republican you must vote like a Democrat!'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Quote by Harry Truman, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If you want to look at the deficits: Democrats generally initiate the permanent high cost programmes, then Republicans don't remove them, and sometimes help them grow. Both sides participated in cutting corporate taxes over a 30 year period. Neither party takes tax havens seriously.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty obvious that both parties are the same. Exactly the same is true in the UK. Need entirely new people'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Under Clinton, the last bits of Glass-Steagal were repealed, he blocked regulation of derivatives and set up pretty things like the commodity futures modernization act.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Without those decisions, there would hardly have been a financial crisis in 2008.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'What is the biggest deficit program in history Tinanda? Medicare Part D! Givaway to pharma, tiny help to seniors! Bush!'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you're not counting Obamacare, are you?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'only because ACA will REDUCE the deficit ...... All nuetral economists agree'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it doesn't exist yet, so can't comment on how much it "did" cost...'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't reduce anything, Whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'including CBO'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'nuetral'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'under Obamacare, everyone's rates go up because the insurance companies cannot get rid of or otherwise segregate to higher-cost plans a demographic inherently designed to force rates up.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think you will find that medicare d isn't really #1.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN, I know all the conservative lies. Just also know better than to actually believe them'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rates have already gone up significantly because of ACA, full time hours have been cut back to 30 hours and jobs have eben lost'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'these are the facts on the ground'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will have care based upon economics, not need, it's the worst combination of the American and British models'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'HMOs write large.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'The rates in NY have been cut almost in half'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you wanted universal health care you should have just brought in a tax-funded basic health insurance package run by the state'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'You might also ask why the US "health care" system is twice as expensive as typical western european system which have universal coverage.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'rate only up in states where conservatives blocked the insurance competition'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like California?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that well known conservative hotbed'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'California does not begin implementation of ACA until October'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'THEN we will see'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rates have gone up ahead of it'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Because the exchanges have not been set up yet'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not relevent'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imposition of a fake market where the government picks the winners really isn't going to help'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I know conservative are desperate to get ACA repealed before it can actually be enacted. Because then everyone will KNOW what liars they are'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plus California is beyond broke.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in exactly the same way as privatising the water, electric, and railways in the UK didn't lead to lower prices, investment, or innovation'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what did they do with all those exemptions to ACA?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the meantime, ordinary working people will suffer because of a terribly thought out wacked out collectivist plan. as per normal'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'yawn More conservative talking points. You obviously believe everything FoxLiarNews tells you'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't get fox news here'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'yeah right'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US media is worse than UK media'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If it had been a properly thought out collectivist plan, it might have worked, though. That would admittedly require destroying the health insurance companies in favour of a utomatic federal insurance.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, Tinada, that might have worked, or a parallel system also would have worked'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you have is a subversion of markets, it's a horrid fascist scheme to put monopolies in the hands of a few pharma corporations'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably political donors'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and medicare d was about half the size of medicare a and b last time I checked, not that it matters much - bar massive printing, all of those programmes are pretty much doomed to fail'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I agree Tinanda, but Repub would NEVER allow and 'socialized' system to pass. Obama HAD TO compromise with essentially the FRC plan'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In this case it is not really certain that the compromise was better than doing nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, Tinada, "I can't get what I want, so i'm going to ruin it for EVERYONE"'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also, the administration either didn't really understand the issues involved, or feared what the insurance companies would do had they told the truth'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Tinanda, Medicare A & B are NOT givaways to corporations like D is'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i think the feds should just piss off and let the states sort out their own healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's none of their business'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'A & B are gov run, D is Pharma run, with HUGE profits from gov subsidy to them'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The overall system design is a failure of genuinely epic proportions, so debating which subsystem favours group x given the existence of the system is of limited interest imo. To the more general point: Both parties suck.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'largest deficit program gov ever put in. GWB'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still irrelevent, whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'A 7 B are FAR more efficient than private insurance versions!'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'According to treasury figures, the net funding shortage for medicare b is much higher than the shortage for d'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it makes you feel better, the UK health system is about to implode'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'No kidding. Who is refusing to fund it? Who wants to make it private so Insurance Co's can bloat?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'qt'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK healthcare also sucks pretty badly'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It was my impression that the federal government regulates these payments, and chose to keep them at unsustainably low levels.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Chose to? Have you WATCHED Congress recently?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Line up all the nutrition researchers against a wall and shoot them, then fund serious challenges to the diet-heart-wannabe-hypothesis. Then you might see a change in the underlying cost drivers :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Pacifist solutions are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nutrition researchers are not to blame for high pharma costs'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have little if anything to do with alopathic medicine'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Unless I am very much mistaken, representatives and senators can choose to do what is best for the country, as long as they are ok with not being reelected.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Yep, pure greed by Pharma ...... greatest profits ever for them, big crash and burn for Part D'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If nutrition researchers as a group did science instead of bad statistics, people would eat different food and have fewer western lifestyle diseases, thus reducing costs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'While I haven't checked detailed US figures, I expect a clear majority of the expenses are related to lifestyle diseases, most of which are avoidable.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't pin that only on nutritionists, Tinada, pharma, politicians alike use bad stats'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'If the total healthcare system costs are 16% of GDP, 2/3 of the costs are lifestyle diseases and 75% of those diseases are avoidable, the changes will save you so much money you can fight a four front war forever and still have no deficit, I think..'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to mention all those patented pharma products that are statistically insignificantly better over natural remedies'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think I can blame all those researchers who either (a) went with the post McGovern-consensus to promote their careers or (b) went with same because they were clueless.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'statistics are used indiscriminantly to promote an agenda'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'exclusively might be a better term there'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'biggest pharma fraud is SSRi's and the mass medication of an entire generation'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flu and HPLV vaccines are other good examples'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'To a significant extent, the problem with the nutrition research is that most of it is statistics, rather than physiology, endocrinology and whatnot.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some is'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The problem is that a lot of instutions and organizations use observational studies to make guidelines for what to eat. Observational studies can only be used to form a hypothesis, but to confirm that hypothesis, you need a intervention study.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'During the past 30-odd years it has been shown conclusively that you can use any kind of study (or faith) to make those guidelines :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, even guesses seem to be an ok method.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government policies are often based on terrible stats and observational studies, there are times where they'll run multiple studies until one turns up findings that fits their policy direction'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they start to 'rely' on these studies so much that ideology goes out of the window'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you then end up with bat-shit crazy stuff like banning branding on cigarette packets because some fucked up study claims it will save 12 lives a year'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or thinking that a low fat grain diet is healthy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'grains are bad for you, aren' they?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i understand'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yup.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether red wine is good or bad for you depends on how many vowels are in the name of the day of the week'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'For details, I recommend "Wheat Belly".'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, i have ibs, so i'm reasonably knowledgeable about such things'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There is also nothing that shows that saturated fat is bad, but a lot of studies seem to indicate the opposite. '
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'According to the latest psychiatry manual recognised by the US government, wanting to come off your medication in itself is a mental illness'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only fat that is shown to be bad is omega-6 (yep, that's the main fat source in the SAD).'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Also questioning government too much, I gather.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can eat a plate of chips fried in beef dripping and be fine, ranrr, i eat a small cake made in a factory with fake fats and i get the shits'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'questioning authority period, tinada'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It seems like too much total pufa is bad for you too, but in practice the "too much" part is always o-6, so the studies might not differentiate well'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada comforts Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Fortunately, there is nothing in grains that you need.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr rapidly nods twice at Tinada, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's organic and home grown for me, while it is still legal to source your own food'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sounds like you read the same info as me, Tinada :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'gluten! amylopectin a! wheat germ agglutinin! what's not to love..? besides some of the opiate receptors in my brain need wheat'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that why i get an occasional craving for toast?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Anyone got a link to one of these studies about grain? I am interested, never heard that before'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'l'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Could be, I don't know.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Search for "wheat belly", there is a blog and some youtube presentations.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The book has all the references, but I only have it as an audio book....'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Also, check out "Sugar: The bitter truth" by Robert Lustig on youtube. Awesome way to get off sugar. He also has a book that goes into details (with complete scientific references).'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i get no migraines since avoiding aspartame'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wish that was true for me, but I still get migraines despite a paleo diet. They are less severe, though. '
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'getting enough magnesium?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, I supplement. Tried q10 as well.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have money invested in ''''
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it any better when you're away from electric/phone/wifi sources?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I still get them when I am out sailing, so probably no.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I've only been paleo for a year, so I still need to give it some time.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, despite some claims, paleo does not sure all ailments.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, well you have to just try and research/try things, health service here is useless for such things'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Here too. They just give me the drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what you can look forward to with ACA, American dudes, pharma'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Doctor here tried to stick me on SSRi's for a chronic back condition'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is kinda fucked up since i went in looking for some physio'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Same thing there, they just give me the drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Which I really, really try to avoid taking.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but they have no cause pinned down'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not really.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how can they give you drugs when they don't know the cause? that is SO like healthcare here!'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Getting stronger seems to work though. And losing 35 kgs sure helped.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stress link?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N_s-9aLJdLU'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orrus: 'should heathen invalids be allowed to blare their repetive redundant music whilst in the midst of the tranquil serenity that is my divine presence?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Orrus: 'or should they be deprted and forced to return to dante's inferno from whence they came?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what music?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So the Rodeo Clown with the Obama mask on got fired. What a bunch of thin skinned cowards and pussy bitches liberals are.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I don't like Obama, and I love rodeos, but it's innappropriate and disrespectful to run over the president with a bull...'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'satire, and the office of the President have always been a popular combination....  I think Reagan and Nixon are perhaps the most lampooned presidents of all time'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'neither of the Bushs, Ford, Clinton or Carter were very popular targets'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But what makes Obama immune to that kind of satire? Many rodeo clowns have worn masks of Bush and even Hilary clinton. Does being black make you immune to criticism? That's fucking bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'your just now getting that? heh..'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I've been aware, this is just another example of the left's race baiting tactics.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fine art of being a victim, and how to leverage it to your advantage'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'Almost as fine as the art of victim bashing'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can someone be a "victim", without a "victim basher"?... of course, you can alway manufacture the circumstance which made you a victim, so I guess so.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'When laws increase crime, are there more criminals? '
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Obama sucks ass.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I forgot to mention this obama presidency is the reason we have all of this race baiting rubbish going on. he divided america along with his kool aid drinking cult of supporters that just call out racism every time someone disagreed with his stupid ideas and policies. I cannot wait till this divider in chief is out of office. But brace yourselves if hillary becomes the next president it will be the same thing but with pitting women against men.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '''''
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Gay sex is harder to watch than regular sex'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Wow I'm winning all kinds of debates today:)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'are you saying that gay guys have harder boners than straight guys?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'depends on how gay they are I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'fuck the police'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Blonk starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That cricket chirp is the sound of the police being respectable human beings.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so, how long have you been in jail, DeathSyte?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I have not spent even a single night in jail.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what's with you and the police, then?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Mornings' another thing, then?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, he gets nabbed at dawn and released at sunset :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'For that, fornicate the police. XD'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I have had and seen nothing but bad interaction with the modern day paramilitary police of Amerika'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I have no quarrel with that, but police is police everywhere. The only difference about the US police is that they like to tell people that they are different :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'm just saying, if any country should have more oversight to police behavior and conduct it should be America.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why is that? Are US citizens more entitled to have their human rights preserved than others?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i think this could go a long way. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/14/nyregion/order-that-police-wear-cameras-stirs-unexpected-reactions.html?_r=0'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Anaristos, the police have been doing much less to protect our rights in their militarized state than they have to protect them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I meant...'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'the police have been doing much less to protect our rights in their militarized state and more to infringe upon them'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but that is not news. That is the way police operate. Here, there, everywhere. Now, then and in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'if they were all forced to wear cameras and held accountable for their actions things could change.. Could'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem has more to do with the way humans behave. They run in packs and they allow the police precedence. Instinctively, the police are treated as alphas and they act as if they were.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though that's true of government, in general.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what humans have to do is to get rid of their instinctive need for hero worship.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'personally, I have a healthy contempt for anyone who think they are my betters :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'take Egypt, currently. They are not fighting over freedom or anything as noble as that, they are fighting over who will they bow to.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'after the issue is settled and they have acquired a new master, the only difference will be the number of bodies they had to bury.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'good points Anaristos. But my point is that it is rather easy to find shitty cops by their actions, so we should just fire said police.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not arguing the point :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am pointing out that it is too late for that. If we tried to oust the police, they would turn on us. They have in the past, at any rate.  All they have to do is claim that their position in society is "sacred", that "law and order" is equal to "freedom". Though how they can come up with such oxymoron escapes me :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'well, one major thing that needs to change is for profit prison systems, privately owned money pits, which is linked to so much corruption it is insane'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when you come down to it, the only equation that holds true is: anarchy = freedom. Though the connotations are subject to big debates :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Well, prisoners could invoke their 14USAmend rights. But, fat chance :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually, putting prisoners to work for scrap wages might be a violation of 13USAmend.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oop, it's not a violation: Here is the caveat for the 13th Amendment... "... except as punishment for a crime".'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so people in jail can be treated as slaves and it doesn't violate any rules.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That does not mean States can't make it illegal to do that to prisoners however.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, but... fat chance :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But from a fiscal standpoint they'd be crazy not to.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what state wants to pay minimum wages for punching out license plates?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'prison work saves them millons in wages.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'millions*'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I see, so you're saying that collective human nature is responsible for most of the bad in this world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who or what else can be blamed?'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Maybe the bill of rights is working better than I thought an not worse. It's a good document for at least attempting to keep our government in check.'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'current humans claim to be civilized, and their claim holds true as long as "civilized" is held to a narrow definition :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I was agreeing with you. It does not mean we can fix little problems here and there.'
T3/r7/2013-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'can't*'
T3/r7/2013-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is nothing wrong with the US constitution (in its original  form, save some minor details such as the support for slavery).'
T3/r7/2013-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is wrong with the US constitution is the rendering the is done each time a political faction needs their actions validated.'
T3/r7/2013-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/08/15/rand_paul_slams_congress_for_aiding_egypt_how_does_your_conscience_feel_now'
T3/r7/2013-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome'
T3/r7/2013-08-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've seen them a couple of times, they always put on a good show'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a UK court rules that a man with learning difficulties can be forcibly sterilised'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was in the news today'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the nazis took over the UK today'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'BNP'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they took over the UK a long time ago, they just did it considerably more quietly and less obviously than they're doing in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'I really don't have much to say to that TN, except it's dumb and wrong. :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you hear of the couple that had their 2 year old, healthy, happy daughter kidnapped by CPS because a neighbour grassed on them for smoking dope. Within 6 months of her being snatched she'd been beaten to death by the CPS's chosen fosterparents?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or did you hear about the Muslim Brotherhood supporters in Egypt pushing christian kids off the top of buildings and burning down churches?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'speaking of which http://tinyurl.com/l5yuusl'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, Roninleader, that is the sort of people that US administrations of both ilks allies itself with'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'I'm not sure why it's considered hate speech to say that Islam is a seriously messed up religion. :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not hate speech, though it's not really true either'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'only because that puts it in the same category with all religions'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'religion is just self-deception on a grand scale'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(if Tigernuts is not trolling false information), perhaps that judge deserves to be convicted for crimes against humanity and then hanged by the neck until almost dead (then drawn and quartered) -- (unless there are extenuating circumstances)'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'Well, most religions don't try to remove body parts or end your life if you diagree with them'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Now, you mean'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'most have a past'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'and, I fear, a future'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Islam is often a terrorist religion'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'Since it's inception, Islam has always been thus'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Koran is an inspirational how-to book of terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'have you read it Zade? because I have. it is gleefully misinterpretted for convenience, just like the bible'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'Whig, you should check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'Ayaan is a female atheist and ex muslim.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'She says Islam is the world's greatest problem'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'Her solution? She says Christians can and need to convert Muslims to Christianity, for the sake of humanity'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Imagine my surprise'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'snort'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'RL, Islam will have to increase cruelty for some centuries before beginning to match Christianity's glorious history'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religions and big government are essentially the same'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'the only true 'root of evil' is self-deception. Man's great ability to believe what is convenient, without any real evidence, because he wants to'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'religion, and it's political equivalent, conservatism, are masters of selling self-deception'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conservatism is a point of view, not an equivalent to religion'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'reconsider that statement after you read it back TN'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conservatism is not a political equivalent to religion'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Both sell dogma .... belif based on the wish to believe'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've read it back, what you said isn't correct'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's -any- political party'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conservative party has a set of policies based on what they believe is an appropriate way to govern society, labour party likewise'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Noppe, conservatism is just what the roots of the word mean ..... we know what is right, because we have always know it was right. Liberalism is 'not set theology, find the eclectic solution'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both those and religion have a set of rules and ethics it considers correct, and sells or enforces it using a combination of co-ercision, upbringing, tuition, brainwashing, and/or fear/force'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is a bizarre point of view, whig, not shared by anyone outside some of the wackier parts of the communist party'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN, you said it again ..... the 'believe', not they find evidence .... they just 'believe becaue they WANT TO!  Religion'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that goes for any ideology, whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'exactly Whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'errr, tn'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri giggles.
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'that is why liberalism spurns ideology'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberalism, not Liberalism'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Liberalism is NOT ideological, though your conservative masters pretent it is'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the brand of 'liberalism' put forward by the democrat party, which their supporters claim they support is not liberalism'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're talking about true liberals, Liberals, like the founders'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'They look for eclectic solutions to problems. Not even close to the 'communism' your talking points oriented arguers try to paint it'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Communism was never successful on any grand scale, and no one I know thinks it ever can be'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately the term "liberal" has been usurped by worshippers of Obama who are absolutely anything but liberal'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'religion, government, labor, liberalism, conservitivism, boy scouts, masons, hitler, mickey mouse, save the whales, drill for oil, wholesale infanticide, burn the gays, vote for bob, let's go back to the moon, higher taxes, let's smoke a joint, melt down all the guns, make islam the state religion.....    Blah blah blah.... it's NEVER been about what is 'right', and what is wrong, rather - it's all about WHO DECIDES what is right or wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i consider myself a liberal by the original definition, hence libertarian'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you can't effectively debate an issue unless you have the right man in the right spot to DECIDE.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why the normal left-right description of people's opinions is completely useless'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you need decided, VL?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Oops, BRB, afk'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'from the India perspective, Islam was very barbaric'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, since this is the modern age, there is no excuse for Islam to continue to be barbaric'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like any religious system or government, rules can be interpretted and barbarity can ensue'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Islam is best left to it's own devices, you could help calm down it's excesses by stopping the military action, stop supporting terrible regimes like Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, and stop pecking at Iran'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that UK judge described by Tigernuts seems to be barbaric or at least very "nazi"'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be better had the US and UK not perpetrated the coup that ousted the SECULAR Iranian regime in Iran in the 50s, but ho hum'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, zade, very much so'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Islam is a disease that must be stopped'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to contain it first, and you do that by doing what i said. What our governments are currently doing is essentially exacerbating/spreading it'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, fast food workers in Nyc calling for 107% payrise'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need something like that here, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '''''
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spit it out, vl'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I often type "debate" while I think about what to type... 20 minutes later, long after I've forgotten what it was I was going to type, I come back and type the next command without clearing "debate" from the command line... ergo... I sent non-sense to the channel.  Sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you want to bring up?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was watching the islam debate... had a few thoughts, but it would only feed the bears - and the bears are plenty fat already'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i don't subscribe to the 'all islam is evil' camp, it's just a stupid and simplistic argument that shows lack of understanding of the history and purpose of islam, and religion in genral'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I will offer that reaching into the history bag to justify a particular line of rational doesn't work.  Everyone, every group, and every nation has skeletons, and has made mistakes, or behaved in a fashion that was acceptable for the time, but does not pass current PC filters.... we have to evaluate issues based on current merit and current idealogies - we can look at history for trends, and for precedent, but not for justification.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to say that Christianity has a sorid and bloody history would be correct.  To say that that justifies what some muslims are doing today is incorrect.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, absolutely, but to say it's all islam doing it is also wrong'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's really only the side of islam that the west is propping up'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who is doing it more?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like we're funding the bad guys or something (which clearly we are)'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in current times - who kills more in the name of religion that islam?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the extreme sunnhi's (wahabis?) that want a single state under sharia law that is blowing shit up, Syria, Egypt, Afghanistan, Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sunnhis are the ones cutting fingers off and screwing rights in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, Qatar'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'counterintuitively it's the shi'ites that would 'appear' to be the more reasonable right now'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet they're the ones we're imposing sanctions on and threatening with nukes'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so work that one out'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in their hearts, it is all about power, and has very little to do with religion.  they were the koran and islam like a holy cloak of justification, when it's really all about greedy pld men who want to call the shots.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, hence the whole big government = religion thing i brought up earlier'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I need to go make some sawdust - later.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest episode had me pissing myself laughing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wsqr1i8MHKw'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a really old salt flats lake in Bolivia that dates back to the super continent of Pangea....and it has about $60 billion of lithium carbonite in the salty soil...about 50% of the worlds known reserves of the important inorganic compound.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US and Chinese troops on the way as you speak, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, while searching for oil and gas in Wyoming, a HUGE lithium carbonite deposit was found....it could supply the US with lithium for 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that part of the US was covered with a shallow sea millions of years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'lake agazi... now the red river of the north'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US imports about 80% of its lithium needs right now, the rest is mined at an ancient salt flat sea deposit located in Nevada.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't really need much, not like you make much in the way of electronics in the US'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the new lithium deposit in Wyoming could be worth about $500 billion at current prices.  The search is on for new deposits of lithium worldwide...the price has risen about 15% a year for the last 10 years.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the concentrated localization of mineral deposits of strategic materials may indicate (even validate) the existence of a God or Extraterrestrial influnce'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lithium is used for medicine also.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bipolar people.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in tiny amounts, and is oversubscribed'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was talk of them adding lithium to the public water supply'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chronic Lithium usage is unhealthy for the kidneys'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first they fuck people up with fluoride, next lithium!'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or hot bubbling lava rock deposits the minerals via natural processes....thus no god needed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but something concentrated the minerals in the hot lava rock'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wouldnt surprise me if lithium was found in the brine water deposits in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Lithium is too "rare" to be put into the water supply'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have just as much salty water underground as we do fresh water.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(do not misuse the royal "we" - perhaps run to the toilet - weeweeweewee)'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: ''God' may have started it, but evolution of the natural world, and space keeps things going.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'change is inevitable.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'strategic mineral concentrations indicate a "divine" influence'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is enough lithium in that one deposit in Bolivia to create batteries for about 4 billion vehicles.....and the new one in Wyoming US, about 40 billion vehicles.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '44 billion electric vehicles that is.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even if the mineral concentrations came from comets and asteroids,  something (extraterrestrial) concentrated those minerals into those comets and asteroids'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'South America won natures mineral wealth lottery.....and the eartquake/volcano one.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lots of volcanoes worldwide, but not all of them produce specific large concentrations of strategic minerals'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, llamas are perfectly adapted to the high elevations of the Andes.....and the meat is tasty.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(sicko)'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '3 million years ago, north and south america finally linked together thanks to those volcanoes, and the diversity of animals exploded.....evolution at work.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bank of England sold 1300 tons of gold belonging to other countries in April in order the crash the gold market'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the US bought 1000 tons of gold cheap, and stored it at the deactivated nuclear waste depository in Nevada...the govt turned it into a big bunker for Armageddon'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nuclear waste depository was the front so that the bunker could be financed publicly, without having to use black ops money.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Riz... what's your basis for that statement?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no basis, just thought it was interesting, since we spent $14 billion building the yucca mountain complex to store the nuclear waste, and cant use it. :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'incompetance, to be sure... but as for nefarious intent, well... get out the tin foil'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It would be a pretty good site for a secure bunker though.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the american government has spent more on continuity of government (bunkers etc) than all other countries in the world combined'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, some treasure hunters found a shitload of british silver off the british coast......and the hunters get to keep 80% of it...and the brits are paying for the $20 million in expenses to find it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the Swiss have built a bunker for EVERY swiss citizen.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not quite the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US doesn't intend saving anyone past the utter essential upper crust core'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so US treasure hunters find $300 million in british silver, and talked the brits into paying for it. :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not a bad deal though....the british mint is going to make silver coins from the find......and the worth will probably be around $1 billion'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those silver bars are huge though.....80 lb silver bars...'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since the bank of england and other financiers crashed the gold/silver market, that makes them worth about $20 each'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nazis sank the ship off the UK during the war.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, a home depot in Chile....'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Egypt was a bad deal... like being REALLY hungry, and all that's ready at the McDonalds is the 'Big Fish' sandwich. '
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, love that mcfish sandwich...with lettuce, cheese, and drowning in tartar sauce!'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 2 slices of my tomato'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'ewww'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you don't at least TRY to influence the outcome to be favorable to you, you get stuck with a random result.  but when the only choice is between a turkey gravy flavored soda, and a melted marshmellow sause on your tators, you likely won't be happy regardless'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some bacon also.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the travesty is clinging to what proves to be the wrong choice long after it is obvious that things AREN'T going your way'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'lets debate about something real. like. is piracy really crime?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yep.. I belive it is'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blackbeard piracy ?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're getting something you didn't pay for, and someone isn't getting the money they expect for said item'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's illegal, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'though, there is a fine line between piracy (high seas) and priveteering'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'think about it. if they took online activation away. there more people would buy the games and less people would pirate'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that model has proven weak... the industry is doing what ever it can to make as much money as they can... if the "no activation" model would sell more games, they would use it'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'piracy is a crime that is best solved by ignoring it and adapting'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am sure theat their respective marketing departments have determined that "free and open " distrobution would not result in more sales'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure worked well for the music industry.....now they sell singles online for 30 cents of the profits.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'music, movies and tv is a small industry.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'but trying to stop it is just incouraging the pirates to pirate? is it not?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the ONLY aspect of online piracy that I would consider grey is the "try befor you buy" approach... bootleg the game to see if it's worth playing, then MAYBE buy a legit copy'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'piracy has already been nullified by the likes of spotify, itunes, and youtube'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but even that is stealing... some games are so bad that the only money they make is from people who get duped into buying it in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, considering 95% of games suck, no way I will buy one for $50 to find out it sucks and you cant take it back to the store.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... it's tough to return software'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there should be a legit way to do returns'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'I would totaly start buying my games if I don't need to take my computer over to the Neighbours all the time to get it activated and updated just to play'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There wouldnt be a problem if they opened up their own secondary market stores......if they did it right, they could put the current ones out of business.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you know, the givernment (USA) will set you up with a broadband connection for $9.99 a month if you can't afford one.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then they would get a cut of the used market, and still sell new games.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'Wow? really? thats amazing its such a shame that I don't LIVE IN AMERICA'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my junior's school is going to electronic text books this year... laptops for every child.  thing is, they require an internet connection, and there are A LOT of chillen in the ghetto who aint got no internet.... so they are all getting it for $9.99 a month.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would be much cheaper to wifi the city.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'never mind that the school didn't hire any additional techs... they are adding 980 new computers to the system, and no new personnel... fail in the making'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh oh oh ... and "each child will ensure that they come to school with a FULLY charged laptop...."  NEW, the battery lasts about 4 hours... after a couple months, that will be down to about 2.5 hours.... 2.5 hours of text books, then schools out for the day'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'hahaha. then school will rock!'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and no replacement parts on hand... no batteries, no power cords, no replacement screens, no 'float' computers.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'they can't charge them in school?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '980 laptops?  each classroom has four to eight outlets, and fire code will not allow power distrobution bars'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, fail in the making then, as you said'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it will be like the airports... children sitting out in the halls doing computer work at the hallway outlet'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and not just one, but many. What if they drop them or break them somehow? If they are stolen? It's not hard to take a laptop from a child.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'few steal math books though'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... I'm going to have to crawl out of the cave and go to a school board meeting or two... they let go 6 teachers - I'm sure the money for the laptops came out of a different budget, but still... seems like a priority issue'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, my old high school did an upgrade that quadrupled the amount of power outlets in the rooms, and put in perm lab like tables and chairs.....each spot has a power cord, and a ethernet connection.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the computers themselves are HEAVILY personalized, as in laser etched chasis with school logo... they are also lojacked.  Not evey one who is dumb enough to steal one will be able to disable that'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and they use tablets instead of laptops now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'those that steal things aren't always thinking things through'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt... I have a bet with my child that three months into the school year, there will be atleast 20% of each class that is "textbook-less" for some reason (theft, battery, broken, etc...)'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'school emailed me for a donation to the tech fund to upgrade more rooms.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'My feeling on this is that the school administration is going for the "we're the cool school" points'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer small town schools'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think there is still plenty of worth in a plain old text book.... OH!  and no site licences for the material... the school has to individually pay for each and every copy they run.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the ONLY argument that has been made in regards to cost is that the digital versions of the text books cost 12% less than the paper copies'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is crap'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'GCI alaska just installed a 3rd fiberoptic line from kodiak to the mainland......even faster speeds now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'are you on kodiac island?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'paper copies do not cost $9.99 per month'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, I prefer Texas most of the year, but summers in alaska are nice.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the $9.99 a month was just for plain old internet access, Zade... not the digital text books'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some of the text books are "interactive", which in the case of the history text book means that there are advertizements running in the margin.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'digital textbooks is a bad idea......:p'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'advertising up coming shows on the history channel, or blueray box sets of past shows'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I managed to graduate college without ever buying a new book......used text books are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'hahaha xD'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the advantage (if any) of blue-ray over ordinary dvd'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it helps if you have a good tv.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bluray is encoded with a buffer so that it won't skip/be unreadable like how DVDs tend to be.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'woaw, so blue ray can't get scratched? and you miss half the movie?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it can still get scratched.  They're made out of the same materials, after all.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blueray also hold 4x the info compared to regular dvds.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'scratched dvd storage loss is worse than vcr storage '
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'but its less able to skip parts because of scratches?'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bluray is essentially a HDD without all the extra hardware protecting the disk.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what extra hardware'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the metal housing and circuit board.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems the dvd manufacturers deliberately use soft scatchable plastic'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The hairy Hollister: 'Lol. they want us to buy it again'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'duck dynasty is a decent show'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'i like it. :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'considering it is a scripted reality show, it is funny. :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps "scripted reality" is a fancy phrase for "contrived documentary"'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it just means WWE without the wrestling, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, si is so dope, that he thinks he is illegal in 55 states....:p'
T3/r7/2013-08-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '4 shots of double expresso sounds dangerous.'
T3/r7/2013-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "Saw" movie series indicates (a world with) the non-existence or absence of "God", or an attempt to provoke God, any god, into vengeful action'
T3/r7/2013-08-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ironic justice: chaining the scriptwriters of Saw into their own sequel: "Saw - chopped diced minced scriptwriters" '
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what do you do when a democratic process has been usurped by terrorists, do you support it's overthrow, or do you side with the terrorists?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'lets not call them terrorists, lets call them coocoo-people'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is a terrorist?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'One that gives off terror'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorism: 1.the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. 2. the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization. 3. a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government. '
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was referring mainly to the Egypt situation, but it could also be applied to the USA situation'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the attack on journalism, tea-partyers, libertarians, veterans, dissidents, certainly conforms to definitions, all three of them'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but yeah. i bet they love being called terrorist. call them crazy. thats what they are anyway'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so hence the question, what's the appropriate thing to do?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the US government, by claiming that terrorists has targeted the US, is committing an act of terrorism :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that depends on whether it was accurate'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I would rather say that the terrorism they do in the middle east is the problem...'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US has never experienced true terrorism. They wouldn't have to tell the people, the people would know.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorism is terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'terrorism is being afraid to step on a sewer lid. Terorrism is being afraid to walk by a paper bag, for example.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'terrorism is being afraid to go out after sunseet'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what is the reaction to Egypt?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's not terrorism, that's just a bit of fighting on the streets :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The armed forces took power with the some invisible help.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'now the people realized they got screwed and it is too late.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was that a good thing or a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is never a good thing to use force to remove a democratically elected government.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even when that democratically elected government usurped power and became terroristic?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler was elected 'democratically''
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even so. You still have other options. General strike, for one thing. '
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The US president is elected democratically, and uses terror as a method all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you are saying that being a terrorist is more ethical than being 'elected'?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I can't argue that, Tigernuts. The saving grace is that he won't be around forever. Not without really trampling the rules. If that happens and the people allow it, well, then they will deserve it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Egyptian elections were deeply flawed, and those flaws were realised when the muslim brotherhood rode roughshod over everyone to force through an authoritarian agenda'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just it, Anaristos, Egypt wasn't about the election, i was about the consitution'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it couldn't just be 'undone' after 5 years'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The cost of democratic elections is that sometimes the people will elect, what you consider, the wrong person.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'As I pointed out the other day, the problem with people is that they are not looking for someone to manage the country, they are looking for someone to (hero) worship.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be like obama drafting a new constitution, forcing it through by dictat, and coding it such that future governments of any kind couldn't repeal or ammend it'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's fine, Ranrr. That is what democracy is all about. If the people are willing to put up with a bad government, so be it. As long as they are allowed to remove it at the end of the allotted time.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agreeed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people removed it in this case BEFORE the allotted time'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you are talking about Egypt, that is not the case. They didn't remove the government at the polls, and that misstep is bearing fruit now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'polls are irrelevent, you don't need an election to force recall'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they could have done it by general strike, they could have stayed home and archived the same thing in a more resounding way.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they did have a general strike'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't you follow the story?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'did have? why isn't in stil on?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'still*'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the military gave the government a deadline within which to address the issues, they refused, the military stepped in'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's not a general strike, that's a coup d'etat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in a general strike, the population refuses to go to work.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and what are they supposed to do, starve?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how egalitarian of you'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if necessary.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all because you have some overinflated sense of the importance of democracy, when in reality it is a deeply DEEPLY flawed method of government'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Cuba is a democracy'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people have the power if they are willing to pay the price. If they are concerned with their morning coffee more that their civil rights, they are hardly in a position to complain.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they paid the price, the price is the army on the streets'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the price is the risk of military not relinquishing power'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they had any sense, people would be rebuilding the political structures that were completely absent following the overthrow of Mubarrak that allowed the Muslim Ragheads to seize power in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the entire population has to be willing to die otherwise they can't win. I don't mean they all have to die, but they all have to be willing to give their all. If a 1000 people die, another 1000 should replace them until they archive their goals.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if they think that price is too high, they have lost.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'history tells us that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think they're doing now? just that'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'then we shall see :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'all we have to look for is foreign agitators :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the american military led a coup against obama, that would also be interesting (it's also not going to happen because they're mostly bought off)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'most people aren't willing to fight for anything, were you in a military or militia that is active anaristos?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is already external agitators'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no :) Actually I am in the pay of the US armed forces :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'note to the US armed forces: "never promote Anaristos"'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos winks suggestively.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not in the military, though :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Anaristos is all primed to be a jack booted prison guard and exterminator of political prisoners'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was reminded of a case a few years back when a couple had their 7 yr old child stolen by CPS because they were judged unfit parents because they'd taught their kid to distrust government'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in actuality it was retaliation because the ex-decorated narcotics officer father had left the force and gone about investigating bent cops as a citizen journalist and had recently caught the town police chief in a stealing-money-from-evidence ting'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sting*'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the downside to localised law enforcement'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest study finds the US actual debt is somewhere between $70tn and $211tn'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the clock remains at $16tn only through using opaque and semi-legal accounting practices in order to keep most of it off the balance sheets (in the same way as multinational corporations do in order to minimise tax)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'i dont always laugh my ass off in the middle of a debate, but when i do it is because i was just told dinosaurs and humans lived during the same time.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'By whom?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'an adult'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's just sad. '
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's never good to mix debate with religion, Blonk'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'But hans, there is evidence that it is true, didnt you know?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The sad thing is, there are adults that believe this to be true without being religious. They're just ignorant and uneducated.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Debate and religion should ALWAYS be mixxed. Otherwise sel-deception goes completely unchallenged and is imposed on each generation'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'self-deception'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing should be off the table with debate'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crocodiles are essentially dinosaurs'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Karl Marx said "religion is the opium of the masses". At least he had some insight.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given religion = big government these days, does that make people who actively subscribe to a political parties equivalent to opiate users'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I had on priest try the opposite tack. Instead of saying our predecessors lived with dinosaurs, therefor the Earth is only 6000yrs old, he explained that God put dinosaur bones into the ground to 'test our faith'. LOL'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting Obama put dinosaur bones in the ground to confuse you?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Obviously any explainantion that kept the lie alive was useful to him'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't think you properly understand 'religion' in the US, TG.. in European countries (like England and the scandanavias), you have STATE SPONSORED religion... not in the US'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we do not have a "Church of England"'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you understand that we only have a state religion because the king, who ruled over us by divine providence, didn't like the pope refusing him the opportunity to marry multiple times?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'In fact, more and more, 'religion' in the US is becoming 'counter culture', and in fact, 'counter eztablishment''
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the state sponsored element is completely irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'It does not matter if a State sponsors it or not, nothing gets me to credit something so mind-numbingly unlikely and unsupported by facts'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion and central governance are essentially the same animals'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they use the same tactics to achieve the same ends'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'combination of fear, indoctrination, threats, tuition, propaganda in order to control your actions and keep you on the plantation'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I have no idea if there is a 'GOD' or not, nor does it concern me. But I am quite certain it would not be so absurdly convenient as the 'GODS' humans imagine so far'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the only thing you have to worry about is some crazed priest who takes the bible literally, then all must be right in your world'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I dont worry about him taking the Bible literally, I worry about him taking it seriously ..... and indoctrinating children'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing wrong with taking religion seriously'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some people take golf seriously, doesn't mean they're on a mission to cause damage'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'there is if you are a shaman, who indoctrinates children before they can learn to defend themselves cognitively'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'continuing the lies'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cain killd Abelinc wants to be Shaman King
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Whig.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indoctrinates them into what, and how is it any different to a parent indoctrinating, or a school teacher?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or a tv station?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Indoctrinating children should be left to the government, they know best.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or mass media, that works too!'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do appear to just have a bee in your bonnet about religion, did you have a touching experience with a catholic priest as a child, or somesuch?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'No Tinanada, we should teach our children to think, and be careful to differentiate facts from 'beliefs''
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'To the extent that separation is possible, perhaps.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that doesn't happen now, Whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're taught to believe what the government tells you and not question anything'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'also it seems like the US federal deficit for last year was just over 6trn if you use private gaap rules (instead of funny gov't air castle rules)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'It is not only possible, it is essentail for true cognitive development. Our children need to know that 'belief' belongs to convenience, but facts are what they are regardless of your liking'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'many things taught as facts, aren't. even outside religion.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'once you are outside hard sciences, separating facts from belief starts getting complicated, though'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion isn't about facts, it's about morality and ethics'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about human interaction and relationships'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'even within hard science, many things are taught as fact which are not.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'qt, back in a few'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'In unrelated news, both my parents and my church always insisted that I should think on my own and challenge everything, whereas the schools I attended couldn't care less as long as I memorized their doctrines.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i never went to church except when visiting friends in America'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pastor Manning is quality entertainment, however'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though his entertainment value has nothing to do with religion'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the social insurance related unfunded liabilities seem to show up as 51trn in Geithner's book, which article did you read, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'then add veterans related thingies and 16trn in official debt, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't recall, tinada'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know all about unfunded debt obligations being held off books from here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'By now most civilized countries have GAAP rules that say it's ok for government to do that'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is why in the UK i'm calling for National Insurance to be scrapped altogether and be replaced with a savings-based approach'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why stuff will only get worse, tinada'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation is rocketing here in the UK. Housing was up 4.1% in June'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The next decades will be .. interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by everyone except the government's measure, inflation is already 6-9%'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets be honest about what's going on, we're having imposed on us a controlled and sustained decrease in our living standards and aspirations that will last a couple of decades. The only people immune are those at the very top, the same people who write to rules to make themselves immune, and to harass us'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it affects everything from monetary policy through housing, environment, energy, to social policy'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think most of the people 'on the top' are in the clueless dept. too :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, they know exactly what they're doing. The dupes they get to work from them (like politicians) generally are clueless, however'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Possibly that depends on how small you consider the top group to be. The vast majority of people don't have a very good functional understanding of the economy (global or household), and that's really all you need.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the top meaning the couple dozen families that control most of the worlds resources'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people like the Gates, Rockefellers, Carnegies, Rothchilds, Windsors, those extremely wealthy people'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, we have the Rockefellers and Carnegies entirely to blame for the stranglehold the pharmaceutical industry has on our healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Rothchilde clan are entirely responsible for bankrolling every major conflict in the last 150 years'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'First of all TN, you are living the working lie of the conservative in America. They cry and cry about 'huge deficits, and your responses here shows you believe them. Even though we have turned that corner and are now REDUCING the deficit at an almost alarming rate. Paul Krugman wrote an article in the Seattle newpaper which I cannot copy and paste because my machine is messing it up. Please read it'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well for a start i'm neither american nor living in america, Whig, but since you bring it up, Paul Krugman is an idiot'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Whig.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'So you will once again let your political 'beliefs' keep you from learning the facts?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tinada seems to be clueless as to how to speak decent sensible English  "and that's (not-)really (not-)all (not-)you they require (not-need)."'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no extra facts to learn in this case, the system is corrupted by those who control it who stand to gain from it. Any idiot can see that'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The (gov't gaap) deficit increased marginally from FY2011 to FY2011, the (real gaap) deficit more than doubled.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'er..from FY2011 to FY2012, of course :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paul Krugman himself admitted that Keynesian economics has more to do with empowering the state than benefitting the people'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that doesn't seem like a reduction (alarming or not)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'ALL uindependant economists have said it TN. ONLY conservative lying politicos will keep the lie going. Next your will deny Global Climate change'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should also be pointed out i'm a libertarian, not a conservative'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The global climate is always changing'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Yep, here we go'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Forget science, just tell what is convenient'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Geithner and company at Treasury may not count as rabid reactionary conservatives out to tell lies against the Obama administration.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the science is quite clear, global warming is not being caused by human CO2 emissions'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Bingo.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'NM, your 'point of view' or 'belief' is never going to allow any evidence you do not like'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Laterz'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's exactly how governments work, whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and apparently how you do, also'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"your point of view doesn't fit with mine, therefore you're ignoring all the facts"'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'human-caused CO2 emissions are causing other damage'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a different issue altogether, zde'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop buying shit from china and we might be able to do something about it'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's causing a debate if nothing else'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'At any rate the UN climate models appear to have been outperformed by random walk models so far, indicating that climate science still has some way to go.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada peers intently at Zade.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was a really interesting paper out of a canadian university that seemed to strongly suggest the temperature rise was far more closely related to CFC's than CO2'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I meant that in the context of a hypothetical power elite manipulating events, it would be sufficient that a large majority does not understand what is going on.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernut is attempting deception and lies - (since) - global warming is being increased by human-caused CO2 emissions'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hush, zade, you're not jeremy clarkson'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I don't think that Jeremy Clarkson is too worried about human-caused CO2 emission'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably just as well'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Humans are certainly generating co2 emissions, and that must necessarily contribute to the increased amount of atmospheric co2, which at least (before considering feedback and whatnot) should increase global temperature somewhat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ghargan: 'so if when you say non-human generated co2 are you excluding co2 generated/not absorbed due to our impact on the environment?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nominally? yes, significantly? no. The biggest driver of the climate is the sun'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nicely asks Tigernuts to be more quiet.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only conspiracy theorists believe that the sun affects our climate'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of you criticise religious-nutters for lying, being clueless deceived deluded, and using blatant lies and errors -- but some of you in this debate channel are similar to religious-nutters, except in other topics by "lying, being clueless deceived deluded, and using blatant lies and errors"'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and spreading deception by using bad english'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada apologizes to Zade with a very sincere look on his face.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zade, not everyone is a native english speaker you know'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost looks around and whistles innocently.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, climate change is a great wheeze with which corrupt politicans like Al Gore can fleece the public billions of dollars in scams and subsidies while making little or no material benefit to the environment. Win!'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and my energy bill hasnt' at all rocketed since all this bullshit started coming in, honest!'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, it has, i'm sorry'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ghargan: 'anyone who believes a politian need to think twice'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'some politicians have really bad luck when they think, so thinking again might help a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'human-caused CO2 emissions are acidifying the oceans slightly =- and that is (said by some scientists) to be causing extensive damage'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'locking them all up in prison would be best'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'catch-22, tiger...who would enact the laws to lock them up...and what would happen to THOSE people ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'age old question, abe :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ghargan: 'what a waste of resources... i can think of much more productive uses for them'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's good to see Zade being sufficiently worried about the acidification of the oceans that he's prepared to boycott all Chinese products and services'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'acidicity kills off fish and plants, just like in an aquarium.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ghargan: 'nobody who want's to be in politics should be in politics. should be a random person chosen every couple of months :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CO2 emissions will not go down because of China. China happens because people like ... Zade ... like their cheap shitty electronic products made as cheaply as possible'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a result everything gets outsourced to the dirtiest possible place'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so really, if precious governments really believed all the CO2 bullshit they'd be moving production of things HOME where the pollution laws are stronger'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ghargan: 'it's up to the consumer to change their habits. boycot non-local products even if the local ones are more expensive'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody who wants to be in _____ should be in ____.  Reluctance to perform a job results in a shitty attempt being performed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly, Ghargan, and they won't do that. Governments are the same, instead of tackling the problem, they just make money out of it and further henpeck at the people and how they run their lives'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ghargan: 'any worse than the idiots doing it because they are elected to do what they want not what the electorate want'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we should just move all political power to the vote.  Keep the politicians around only for secretarial purposes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people will continue to elect the same flawed idiots because the whole propaganda system is set up to brainwash people into believing everything they say, hence Whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and Tigernuts.  Can't just point out one side here.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is the other side, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN, you are entitled to your own thoughtless opinions, but please keep my name out of it. Thank you.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were already in it when you decided that you were right everyone else was wrong and weren't prepared to consider any aspect of the argument'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence you were framed as an example :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I was assuming the opposite to Whig was you, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Whig's OK, he just thinks anyone who opposes Obama is a Nazi'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it makes no sense that politicians would only lie to some people but not others.  What's really going to bake your noodle, though, is that if everyone is lying to everyone then the truth is just another lie.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which means telling one is just as pointless/unimportant as telling the other.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade THWAPS Hanslanda for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is clear is that things are never cut and dried, there is rarely a right and wrong answer'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(tsk)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some answers are more accurate than others'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and those are not rare'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'really, the answer to life's most important question isn't "42"--it's "Who cares?"'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some are accurate, some are precise, some are half truths, some are exagerations, some are taken out of context'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda is wrong on the "Who cares"'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i care, i want to be left alone with somewhere tucked away from everyone i can live in peace'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck all chance of that happening though'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and because there is fuck all chance of that happening, because i'm continually antagonised by the population and denied the opportunity for a quiet peaceful life, i will dedicate that antagonised life to making it a misery for those arsehole who antagonised me shattered my dreams'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers to disregard all statements with cuss-words used as cusswords as statements disbelieved by the cusser
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's different to you disregarding anything anyone says because you didn't say it how, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(tech) aw, and i used to like those two-liner jokes of the 1950s: "how do you load dead-babies onto the back of a truck -- use a pitchfork."'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when was that ever funny, and how did it come about? Something to do with Margaret Sanger's quest to abort all black babies in the womb?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those jokes were fun among kids following WWII'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i could imagine'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Glenn Greenwald's partner was detained at Heathrow Airport, UK, detained and questioned for 9 hours under the terrorism act 2000 and had all his electronic gadgets confiscated. Welcome the the police state, sir!'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'why do they use the word "partner" to describe "Glenn Greenwald's partner"?'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it could mean so many thing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'dance partner, business partner, partner on staff at the guardian.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and since you brought up Glenn Greenwald, TG... what a waste of carbon based building blocks.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's a guy that wrote a whole book slamming GW Bush (A Tragic Legacy), and he didn't even vote in those elections... because he's "neither a democrat or a republican".'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps Dante had the right of it:  "The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of moral crisis preserve their neutrality."'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe he should move to Sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Vonliege missed the possible fact that the author was likrly going to "slam" the leader of whichever side won those elections - in which case, the author is not "neutral" '
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hmm'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'doesn't change that fact that he's proud of not voting.'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God doesn't seem to vote currently -- come the Apocalypse, then the decisive voting'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when all the voting choices are equally bad, some avoid neurosis by not voting (and defering to the choices of other voters)'
T3/r7/2013-08-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how surprising, cops ran out of free munchies at a pot festival in Washington's HempFest.'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, doesn't look like it's getting any better. Brazil launches official complaint at British government for detaining Glen Greenwald's partner for 9 hours under anti-terrorism laws. '
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i voted for the lesser of two evils at the last election, i won't be doing so again in 2015'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'going for the greater evil this time, eh? :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, going third party this time'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Paul Krugman acknowledged on his blog that the purpose of Keynsian economics is to empower the State'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wouldn't say that he 'admits', so much as 'accuses'....  what you said would be like jesse jackson 'admiting' that george bush was an elitist.'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he admits, he's an advocate'
T3/r7/2013-08-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'admittedly, most of us already realised this, but there are some fake liberals and left-leaners that think it's great still'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some more police overeach. This time in Missouri, that hotbed of terrorism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tyV_8BKwrlc'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Sebelius is trying to bribe students with $30k to product videos supporting obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'British (Green Party) MP arrested at a protest at a fracking exploration site'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'completely back her right to protest, though protesting fracking proves she's dumber than a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what, exactly, got her arrested?  did she trespass?  toss a beer bottle?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a group of protestors sat in the road blocking access to the site'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''cause I'm pretty sure that the solitary act of protesting is no more against the law in the UK than it is in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahhh... so she broke the law'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's against the law in both places, colour of law'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you protest, police tell you to move along, you refuse, you get arrested'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... but the right to assemble, and the right of free speach are neither one "color of law"... they are constitutional in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution is dead, indifference killed it'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they do not "give a seblence of law"... the ARE law'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh... hadn't seen the news report on that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the link i posted not so long ago (on debate -h 20) shows protestors being arrested arbitrarily for protesting'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you told anyone else?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no law was broken'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone knows, vl'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I see... guess I had better call my revolutionary pals. then'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, i think they probably already know'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless they've been living on the moon'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I REALLY would have thought I'd have heard if the constitution got repealed, though'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not repealed, ignored'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'super time... later'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'muslims and jews need to get with the program....pork is the #1 eaten meat in the world....36% of all meat eaten is piggy'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if a christian jumped off a bridge, a muslim would try to blow it up and the jew would buy up what's left.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'beef is at 24%'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'what is fish at?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'more people eat goat than pig or beef'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more people eat fish than beef or pork combined.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fish isnt considered a meat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: ''murica'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and goat meat is eaten by 70% of the people in the world, but not the most meat eaten in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei nods.
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Why isn't fish considered meat? Nutrition wise it is different maybe. But comon now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chinese devour pig, that is why it is #1'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and north american consumption of pork is really high also.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'all that bacon...'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'do you eat goat meat?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Mmm, goat. Wish I could get some here.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'is lamb a goat?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Nope. '
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i think those statistics are flawed'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer rabbit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'cuz i like lamb, never had goat i guess'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lamb is farmer john's ex-girlfriend.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they're probably considering whether you 'eat goat' = someone who doesn't have an objection to goat'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'doesn't mean you eat it regularly'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chicken is 2nd on the list of most meat eaten'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'where do monkey and dog rank?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i'm pretty sure fish is meat, although it doesnt have much flavor'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'somewhere in korea hans.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Fish not much flavour? Better get your taste buds checked...'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alaska caught salmon has lots of flavor....'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'yea salmon does, and tuna'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'farm raised salmon has no flavor except for the pellets that are fed to them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but most fish is pretty bland'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'catfish?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'have you ever eaten plain salmon?  Most meats are given flavor additives of some kind.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Catfish tastes muddy for most varieties,'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'gar?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'cept for the non bottom feeding, or specialty bred ones, then it's really sweet '
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love smoked tilapia.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that means your preparer isn't as skilled as he thinks he is...and that probably wasn't mud.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'it must be the smoke, tilapia is the most blandest, tastes like paper'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Nah, most freshwater fish species have that "muddy" taste, and no, i don't mean real mud, just a descriptor.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'squirrel, the other other other white meat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if it's fresh tilapia can be kinda sweet'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Not all, but most freshwater fish don't hold a bar to saltwater'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and snake is the other other other other white meat.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder how many people eat plain boiled chicken?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'most chinese people, I'd imagine...'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I boiled up 5 rabbits today, and froze the left over stock....deboned the rabbit meat and canned it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we already know you, Riz.  You ain't foolin' nobody by saying you eat plain anything.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but do you eat donkey?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i've never eaten ass, no'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we can eat horse here in Missouri again.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, after humans, donkeys are the 2nd smartest creature on the planet.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'have you?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'thought that was dolphins'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'donkeys are smarter than dolphins.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'I'm sure it was goldfish...'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you not counting other primates?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i thought it was beluga whales'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archangel Trihex: 'thought that was eleohants'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what's the source for intelligence?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'the brain, usually.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pigs are quite smart, and it is a good thing they taste good, otherwise they would rule the planet.....'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm googling and nothing says they're the most intelligent'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'their militarial prowess'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn . o O ( animal farm! )
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dogs unfortunately are not that smart, some are smarter than others, but they are loyal.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'meh, imo all these arguments about animal intelligence are kinda baseless'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i just saw a report that 1 in 4 dogs are depressed, those are prob the smart ones'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's extremely difficult to test anything'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Weird Lil' Salvanas: 'Dogs are daft. Foods! Play! Walkies! Humanfriend! ... But yes, loyal.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there was this parrot that speaks and understands english though'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'chimps and bonobos exhibit the widest array of human-like behaviors (many of them in the abstract ranges, such as emotion, artistry, and communal desires such as fairness and justice).'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: '(and desire to have sex)'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo#Sexual_social_behavior'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all forms of human sexuality are expressed somewhere in the animal kingdom.  For being at the top of the food chain, we really are an uncreative bunch.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'Female bonobos rub their clitorises together rapidly for ten to twenty seconds, and this behavior, "which may be repeated in rapid succession, is usually accompanied by grinding, shrieking, and clitoral engorgement"; it is estimated that they engage in this practice "about once every two hours" on average'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'just the lesbonobos!'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they named a monkey after Bono ?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of Bono, did you hear he's a stinkin' conservative now?'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he always was.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'Bonobos are the only non-human animal to have been observed engaging in all of the following sexual activities: face-to-face genital sex (though a pair of western gorillas has been photographed performing face-to-face genital sex[37]), tongue kissing, and oral sex.'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'like a left wing conservative '
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'neocons should be sent to an island like Australia........'
T3/r7/2013-08-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a cheesesteak sandwich with spinach ?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just love diners.....especially ones that make homemade food.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's why you married one, right? :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '53% of marriages in the US end in divorce.....no thanks...I like my assets :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should change marriage to a temp marriage for 1 year.....if it doesnt work out, you can both split with no consequences'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most divorces happen in the first year of marriage.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'oh man, i missed the window??'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos . o O ( you are just divorced and don't know it )
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Archimedes Eureka: 'heh, then why am i making dinner every night?!?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'about time you asked that question :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I need a cook....'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Archimedes Eureka giggles.
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'So Obamacare is gonna force social workers into all homes of Americans with children if they meet some BS requirements.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Basically they can try to take kids away from homes for drinking whatever they consider too much soda.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'true key lime pie is not green damnit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US govt provides almost 75% of the worlds supply of helium gas, and it will be ending sales of the important gas in October 2013.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When helium is released into the atmosphere, it is gone for good, since helium leaves our atmosphere and enters space.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so wats the newest debate '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'Obama - good or bad person?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'hmm now thats a tuff one'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'he is the better smelling bowl of shit we had to pick from. but he has been left out in the sun to long and is starting to grow some kind of fungus'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'ooh now that was a good one'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It's a serious discussion about whether people who won't put the 'h' in the word 'what' are illiterate, lazy, or simply being cool. '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The first two'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rhavage is inclined to agree with Ranrr.
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'now im someone who does that and i do it ccuz im addicted to it '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'and trust me im not illiterate cuz i correct lots of illit people'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'its mainly cuz of laziness'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'read over that last statement, and then try to say it with a straight face...'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, do yourself a favor. Break the addiction. At the very least, don't write that way in your resume :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'well ots not that bad and i definetly wont put that in my resume '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'its '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Anthine, you're clearly not illiterate. But spelling and punctuation aren't your enemies.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No -- it's :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'definitely*'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sigh. The older I get the more of a language crank I become.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'well this is gonna sound bad but i got a new phone and im still trying to get used to the keyboard and how to use it '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'laziness and abbreviations i can understand, but errors which don't save any time or effort are just bad english :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'and i know how to use punctuations but i hate them for some reason that i cant figure out'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so how long has the obama thing been going on for'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'But they make life a whole lot easier for the reader, Anthine. And the goal is to effectively communicate, right? Think of what even a little comma can mean. There's an enormous difference between, "Stop playing with the dog, Dick," and "Stop playing with the dog dick."  :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'true don't worry i agree with you, but did you know that because of a comma being missed a satelite couldn't be launched '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'dunno. he seems nice but heck, he lies. and doesn't do that well, so he is not the WORST person.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'obama'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't know about that. But somehow I can believe it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'all politicians lie, it is the nature of te beast'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'at least i think it was a satellite'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'it's true it was in one of my science textbooks'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I believe you :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i thought that was conversion error, not a missed comma'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so does the usa still use inches and feet?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'yea'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn sighs.
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'oh no this happened awhile ago i believe and yes because they didn't add one comma'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'In many things, yes. But I think the States are increasingly metric in science.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Still not metric in traveling distances, though. We use miles, not kilometers.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'i havve an idea for a debate topic'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'video game violence'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I can't deny that I actually prefer miles for distances. And F temps for weather.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why F?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's so arbitrary'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'at least with C you know when stuff freezes'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'no offense but i think F is just a bit over the top'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Slightly finer tuned. More numbers between 32 and 212 than between 0 and 100. But also a bit of sentimental aesthetics. 37 degrees in the shade is rather less evocative of heat than 100 degrees in the shade :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you can't tell the difference between 1 degree and the next anyway'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so what's the point of being 'finer tuned'?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and i rather have it limited to 2 digits, that makes more sense and saves space :p'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, I said only 'slightly'.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'wait we've been using this measurments for years they should both be fine tuned'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm supposing he means more accuracy per degree'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Maybe I'm just too used to F temps for weather. Years ago the States made a half-hearted attempt to convert to C for temps, but nobody seemed to like it. Even a relatively scholarly outfit like NPR only reports temps in F.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's close to 2 degrees F ~= 1 C'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'does any other country use F btw?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'oh ok i see what you mean'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Not sure, Redryn. Maybe not. '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'but seriously what about video game violence'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'do you have an opinion on it?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'no not really more of a question or two'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'generally the best way to start something here is saying something controversial and see how many people jump on you'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'eg'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'french toast is best made with stale bread.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'i heard this from someone but apparently  they were going to ban it'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why do so many people in the us still believe in that fairy tale about jesus?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Since F and C both come with decimal points, they both have arbitrary accuracy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Celcius is better since it comes from sweden. Everything swedish is better.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, when reporting weather temps in the States, we don't use decimals in F. I noticed when living in Europe, though, that modern home thermostats use half-degrees for home temps.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so something like mediums are really real'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Didn't they go back to calling centigrade?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah... but not in sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Trivia: The original celsius scale (by Anders Celcius) was reversed compared to the current.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'What's different about it?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: '100 degrees was the melting point and 0 degrees the boiling point of water. Today, vice versa.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Aha! Nice little bit of triv there :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'imagine if one half of the world reached  absolute zero '
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it'd quickly become -100 or so for the rest'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'and i mean in like one or 2 seconds can you imagine the drawbacks that would have'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Absolute? On the Kelvin scale? It would be a mighty chilly world, heh.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'wouldn't everyone just freeze as if time stopped?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'lots of frozen statues too'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you wouldn't even see frozen water'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'For the record, where I am now the temp is 79F. 26C. All in what you get used to. I can't make my mind believe that 26 sounds warm, heh heh :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'And that's even after living in Holland for three years. 26 might have felt warm, but it sure sounded cold :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just a matter of habit'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i can't see 32 being cold ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'whats the exact opposite of absolute zero'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no such thing'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'is majic cooking there?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Even though I've always found the word unattractive (compared to miles), I got quite used to kilometers and even learned to like them. After a life of driving in the States, I always felt like I was getting places faster, heh heh.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so there's no like, imediate inferno temp'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the sun is an inferno.. it can go hotter though'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it can always go hotter'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Hell, compared to the temps in a supernova, the sun is sort of lukewarm.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'but how much hotter'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'wwow so wats the highest temp ever recorded'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It's the supernovs temps that create elements heavier than hydrogen and helium'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'surface of the sun is about 5000K'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's been estimated that the temperature of a bubble popping is 20000K'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sooo'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'your coke has gone hotter'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'hmm that reminds me that apparently the vaccum space inside a light bubl has enough power to power the world for a lot of years ( can't remember how many though ) but the bad thing is we can't harvest it yet'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'sorry bulb'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what program are you using'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'syrian propaganda begins ahead of UN visit'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Author of UK anti-terror law claims UK acted illegally in using that law to detail Greenwald's boyfriend and confiscate his equipment'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bought an ice cream maker....made cookies and cream chocolate ice cream.....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Pickles and Ham ice cream...mmmm'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2 quart ice cream maker....'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thats pretty cool though. I just got a juicer so I can make my own carrot juice.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'try drinking 1 gallon of carrot juice a day for a week.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'That sounds great. What happens?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Those vertical axis wind turbines are pretty cool.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'you never told me wtf happens!'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when ?'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'when you drink a gallon of carrot juice every day for a week'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, your skin turns orange, and so does your pee.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and orange eyes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'p90x does that too'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Thats all? That sounds awesome!'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it doesnt hurt you, but start with a glass, and then keep adding more each day.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or just make a good fruit juice with carrots'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'too many vitamins and minerals from a single source can actually be toxic.'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my personal fav is orange, kiwi, apple and carrot.....with some spinach'
T3/r7/2013-08-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so wats the newest topic or is it still about obama'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'did syria really use chemical weapons?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we have to take the word of someone (not an uninterested party) as to whether they did or not. In other words we'll never know the truth for sure.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Viet Nam war started because the US claimed they were attacked by vietnamese gun boats in Hanoi harbor. 15 years later we found out it was all a work of fiction. So, truth is whatever progresses a particular goal at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'Should holding different cultures prayers be enough to cause a temple to be demolished?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'someone thought of this no-brainer in the opposite direction, and said yes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'now there is a tone of people claiming the tple is now tainted, and must be demolished'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ahh, see ya all.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and you say "I don't like the idea" so I am going to reject it. That's fine with me.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'So... Bradley Manning:  Justice, or tyranny?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'tyranny totally'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'fucking terrorists and rapist get less time then he did.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is that to say that terrorists and rapist should be MORE?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'They should get more, and he should get pardonded'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Manning stole hundreds of thousands of secrest documents and gave them to people who published them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what would justify a pardon for him?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'and exposed war crimes committed by our military'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so if I think I know that someone has broken the law, I can kill them?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just what were those war crimes?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'killing civilians ect ect...pretty much anything bad or questionable was made 'classified' by the military.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about the information on arms shipments to other countries?  what good did it do for the egyptians to know exactly what isreal was getting?  and vise versa?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'I'll concede that maybe the way he went about it wasn't the best way. But what would have been the best way to expose it all? He could of left the military and simply spoke about it. But then he would just be an Alex Jones conspiracy nut to everyone.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about the home adresses of virtually every US serviceman?  How did THAT serve the public good? '
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or how about how our electronic countermeasures work?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or the frequency sets to our secure communications?  or the encryptian keys for our balistic defense?  how did THAT expose war crimes?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Manning is a sniviling little pup who didn't get the promotion he wanted, and pitched a fit.... a fit that compromised MY security.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Good thing we're not at war with an actual enemy then.All the U.S. does is go around kicking beehives. I feel quite safe actually. I got a better chance of getting tazed to death by the police than getting killed by terror.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ithayne: 'no mercy, no remorse.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not everyone is so far from harms way'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'compaired to japan rite now fuck the rest of the shit clean up those reactors before it kills the planet'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'I'm pretty sure the planet won't be single handedly killed by japonese nuclear power stations'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'But 35 years Von?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Manning was in the Army... he took an oath... His fellow soldiers have to be able to depend on him to keep that oath.  When a soldier like manning breaks that oath, it weakens the entire infrastructure on which the Army stands.  Manning could have been executed.  I don't favor execution, so I would have liked to see life with no parole... as it is now, he is elidgable to get out in less than a decade.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'what if he had looked more carefuly into what he was releasing? Also he is a woman now btw lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'woman?  or "bitch?"  =)'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the Army has whistle blower programs... the IG would have LOVED to see what he had to show, and would have acted on it'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND... had the clearance to see it, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Actually we really should only be as upset with him going to prison as he is, which does not seem to be very much. And yes he is probably getting filled up right now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so whats new'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Bradley Manning is a woman now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'umm who's that'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in the United States was worth 15684.80 billion US dollars in 2012. The GDP value of the United States represents 25.30 percent of the world economy. GDP in the United States is reported by the The World Bank Group.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, making hamburger/chicken rocks today....hope to store about 25 quart jars each.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmmm, found ancient relatives dating back to 1063 AD......norman ancestry....'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'course that is the english side, the aleut side I have no idea how far it goes back....aleuts are not exactly well known for keeping records.....even though they lived in Alaska since the last ice age.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK sticks two fingers up at the freedom of the press by invoking terrorism laws. Western backed islamic terrorists in Syria are fingered for the blame in a chemical weapons attack,  and King Obama warns that at some point the government will run out of money'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/larry-summers-and-the-secret-end-game-memo interesting memo'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Lew Rockwell'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has a strange head, but what about him?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Gerald Celente'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Greg Fuchs'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'David Icke'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's with the names?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'any of them ring a booth>'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Mike Adams the Health Ranger.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is there a point to this?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise i would have to just say "congratulations, you know the names of some people in the liberty movement"'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus you're a racist'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That the Clinton Treasury under Rubin et al. oversaw the greatest effective deregulation in history through slicing away the last crucial pieces of G-S, putting in the CFMA and WTO addendums while at the same time blocking all attempts to regulate otc derivatives is not exactly secret.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Alex Jones'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we know that, Tinada'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you broke Deathsyte, Tinada'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That (like the creation of the FRS once upon a time) was created by/for the biggest banks is also no secret, and neither of these points is particularly debatable.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Micheal Savage'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..also bad eeenglish. Anyway, it doesn't have much to do with a list of more or less conspiracy oriented people.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can you come and take Theresa May away please, Tinada>'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nothing wrong with that guy'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada beams a smile at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't want her anymore'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Michelle Malkin.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually Michelle Malkin makes me piss myself laughing :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'S.C. Cupp.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Micheal Moore.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'self propelled stomach'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Ron Paul.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ru Paul 4 Prez!'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'too bad he didn't become president'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Well...'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Rand Paul?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rand Paul should promise to pardon Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden, steal some genuine liberal votes from the fake liberal party'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'd take either Paul over the two most recent presidents..'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most would'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or a Stark'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll always be a Stark in Winterfell'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we shoul stir up the jews and get rid of the SS, again.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Diane Feinstein'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please stop the blashphemy, Deathsyte'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Nancy Pelosi'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'When all else fails, vote from the rooftops'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Henry Kissenger'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's just being rude now'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't.  Those votes are reserved for the little people'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'Barry Soetero'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'P.T. Barnum.  Far too many suckers crowd the world, his scheme's one fatal flaw.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like anyone on the west coast of america is going to be glowing in the dark pretty shortly'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the chinese already own it all anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, if everyone in california were to die, would it be a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it would be a tradgedy'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ther'd be what?...  75 million martyrs?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ever school in the country would have to be renamed "california high"... "california elementary"... etc....'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be for the earth, Al Gore would be all for it. Didn't he recently liken those who didn't agree with his plan to engratiate himself with millions of dollars of tax payers money as racists and homophobes?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he did... he equated anyone who doesn't hug a tree to be '
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he did... he equated anyone who doesn't hug a tree to be "like a racist"'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's a bit of a retard, isn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's alot of power in that word... if you can JUST invoke it, it's an instant win in any debate'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so everyone who has twigged that he's a corrupt embezzler is a racist?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of like if you can be the first one to say "you need to calm down"... that's an instant win, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racist'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DeathSyte: 'calm down Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: '"There is a bit of debate regarding whether or not a salt water rinse works as effectively as a traditional mouthwash product."  Are there really any other mouthwashes that are more "traditional" then salt water?'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Just plain water'
T3/r7/2013-08-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'fair point.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Wow. Just reading about the anger in Australia over the mindless shooting of the baseball player in Oklahoma. Can't say I really blame the Aussies for being enraged.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'black guy shoots a white guy, barely makes the news, white guy shoots a black guy it's news for months and prompts law changes'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Thanks, Obama"'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much news today, only the Establishment meedia going after Tom Coburn'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you see this news: "Hundreds of videos showing apparent victims of a chemical weapons attack in Syria were uploaded to Youtube on August 20, a day before media reports say the attack actually happened, prompting Russias Foreign Ministry spokesman to assert the incident was a 'pre-planned'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'black guys shoot white guys every day, TG... and vise versa.  I think we just need to ignore the issue of color, and the issue of color will go away'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(which is what many analysts had already said)'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the mainstream media will not let it drop, VL, they want a race war'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as to the russians and syrians... the Russians claim it was the REBELS that used the chem weapons... since virtually no one can now deny that chemical weapons HAVE been used.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need something big to distract everyone with while they rob the country blind and stick troops on the streets'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Uh huh. Which people of the mainstream media want a race war? The white ones? The black ones?'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both, rhavage'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they want ratings...'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Took the words out of my mouth Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... race hate is good for ratings'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Call me naive, but I don't think anybody wants a race war.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'controversy of almost any kind is good for ratings'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'Well, Rhavage i have to disagree. Lots of people are still angry we have a black president. And for two terms? o boy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MOST people don't want a race war... but the media is a very small minority of all people... and THEY want it for the ratings'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not exactly black though is he, blonk?'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'plus... there's just enough old school blacks/whites out there that wanna hate.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not a race war, merely racial tensions and agression'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Sorry, but I just have to disagree. There are millions of people that collectively make up the media. I seriously doubt that they've all agreed that a nice little race war would be just the tonic for sagging ratings.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and george zimmerman wasn't white...since when does that stop it from being used to fuel the tensions ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sure... tension and agression.. for now.  But eventually, that will get old and they'll have to up the ante... large scale riots, wole sale slaughter... that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'that's an interesting distinction. To me, Zimmerman looks pretty white. '
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'quite a few black people look pretty white as well...they used to use the term "passable" for it'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Zimmerman was "non-black", and that's good enough'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Maybe hispanic white, but certainly more white than anything else. Toss in a little Indian blood, you've got yourself a well-rounded American ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not just the media who want the distraction, it's the establishment'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the media are just their mouthpiece, part of way they keep control'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'With a German last name, heh. Nice twist :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, a month or so ago the kids had one one of those kid soap operas where a black chick was told by her aunt that she didn't know what it's like to grow up a black woman in america, because she was light'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about all the evidence suggests it was NOT the regime who used the chemical weapon in Syria, btw'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Let's let the UN investigating team have a long look. And it would help if the Syrian gov't would grant immediate access.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And then ignore the UN reports, just as with iraq.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'In other heart-warming news, an 88-year old WW2 vet was beaten to death by two teens in Spokane. My, what a lovely world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'And Major Hasan was found guilty of murder in Texas. Not exactly a surprise there.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what sort of teens beat a 88yr old vet to death/'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Nasty ones. Extremely nasty ones.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racist'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Possibly, but I wouldn't make that jump my very first conclusion.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was talking about the old vet, clearly a racist'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ha!'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly deserved it because he was an army vet, he was probably a right winger, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'payback for all those japs he murdered.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'war criminal, most like'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'war brings out the worst in ppl'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, he's probably gone to a better place'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm pretty sure he was the one who made the decision to drop the two nukes on Japan, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: '-g 10'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he probably personally gassed 6 million jews, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'did they sentence Hasan?'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not yet, afail'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, not yet.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's eligible for the death penalty, though i hope he doesn't get it'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I hope he doesn't, either. We don't need another martyr.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. I'm not about the death penalty.  '
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'besides, that's what he wants.'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'better to dress him up in orange, and parade him around every fourth of july'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aye'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rare bit of agreement on debate, note down the date'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using the essentials index, inflation in the UK has averaged 6.2% a year for the last 5 years'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compared to the bullshit CPi which was 2-2.5%'
T3/r7/2013-08-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, the feds might actually do something useful for once.'
T3/r7/2013-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what might the feds do that is useful, riz?'
T3/r7/2013-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow the fields of those who don't."-Thomas Jefferson'
T3/r7/2013-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I dunno, but I heard less people liked it than liked Phantom Menace.'
T3/r7/2013-08-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'is Youtube-doc-smartness worth anything?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its annoying when kids know too much. thats for sure'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the US, we have back to back 'erectile disfunction' compercials.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'That gives a whole different picture in my mind.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's amazing how different commercials are in different parts of the world. A US commercial would never work in e.g. Sweden, and vice versa. '
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not to mention ads in asia... those can be weird.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the 2010 Akia catalog got pulled in the US because there were no negros in it.  It was deemed "ratially unbalanced"'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't even know what akia is'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ranrr will explain it'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i don't judge a product by the colour of the person who is advertising it'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'Is that how you read that furniture company?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'naw... I think Akia has a place... plenty of people like the model... I've never had much use for it, though'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Akea? Do you mean Ikea?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bamboo snickers with Ranrr about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't appear to be any news tonight, other than a few papers republishing an old story about the NSA bugging the U.N headquarters (after all, gotta see what your bosses are doing)'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'people from the usa are dangerous for world peace..'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'thanks Anaristos, at least one channel that won't redirect right away...'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'usa vs the rest of the world..'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'ww 3 is gonna be fought with guns but after that its gonnabe stick and stones '
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, guns...how cute'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'i kinda agree with myrrhum'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: '... and roses'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'agreed Anthine'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'guns are way too small'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'after that it's gonna be all stick and stones '
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'why use guns, when there are nerve gas and neutron bombs :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'just because the USA wanting to stick to we are so cool and awesome and better then the rest of y'all'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'neither of which will hurt the structures.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'thats the point of my first comment'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'haha u might want to keep that opinion to urself'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'Anaristos, you don't realise we got much to offer on your brainwashed mentalities?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'who's got what to offer?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i got arms feets brains and all that, you think you can possible outfeat anyone else then the problem/ego is on you mate..'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos walks around in the room, looking very confused.
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'why use guns...'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if indeed there is going to be a WW III, it will be fought with WMDs'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'but you are allready prepared on your answered to what if?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'which probably the only reason that is holding back the contestants. They know that once they cross the line, there is no turning back.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'where i was only feeding, using this channel for the very first time on your advice '
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am a passive participant. Once the war starts I will limber up so that I can kiss my ass goodbye :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you know, you guys make all the movies right?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, I have 2 right hands, I can't hold a camera.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yeah i dont even wanna opt for a 2nd guess, you are from Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you missed it on the first try :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'there's zillions of other fellow human beings but i like my guns, and nah'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'first try?'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'Texas won't be passive participants lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ah at least i drew out a participant'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you idiots don't seem to realize..'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'we are all in this together'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I rather take my chances of surviving WMDs than a neighbor with a gun.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'there you go'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'any idea how much the rest of world dislikes.hates the main principalist brainwashed usa people allready>'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey don't knock clean brains. Hygiene is important.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos starts to hear the faint sounds of a cricket chirping.
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'thats what the nazi's said.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'hygiene and purification is important!'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'Myyrhum the US is terribly divided, and the government & media are out of control. so I can see why you have the perspective you do, but not everyone here is brainwashed. We are heavily populated by the uninformed & lazy'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Hitler was a special kind of bigot, but bigotry was not invented by Hitler. Bigotry is probably part of the human DNA :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'humans use bigotry the way dogs piss on fire hydrants, and for the same reason it seems.'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'Gilliaren, you just saved my day before going to sleep, Anaristos , you are proclaiming earth would be better server by a ww part III'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'lol Anaristos, cant argue there'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as long as I am left out if, let's you and them fight :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'dogs have no idea what fire hydreants are for one'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'out of it*'
T3/r7/2013-08-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am as territorial as the next person, but my territory extends only about half a meter away from my body. As long as you don't enter the kill zone, I won't be bothered :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'making up brainwashed delusions you move along trying to deny your country is growing to big for its own good with to many brainwashed diminshed folks who are in fact all the same to us.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I see you are fond of assuming facts not in evidence :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'like we give you a single thought ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i don't think in territories that's just you being as big as should have never ben'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i don't think in territories that's just you being as big as should have never been'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you will be surprised Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'but this all goes to show'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'some of you have grown so thinking you are so superior to the rest of this world, this one earth, as dumb as (you) probably not are, but the rest of this world is aware'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you think you own earth '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'wanna co-operate of fight us...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the biggest sin a debater can commit is making hasty generalizations :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'bla bla bla'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i really won't take your mother into this...just what you said is disgusting to me as human being'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am always willing to make someone sick :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no need to thank me :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'so, basically, there are people on this earth who think they are better of with just the usa and not anyone else?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'obviously.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'not thanking you at all, i don't believe you truly mean what you just said or stated'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem is that you are assuming who those people are.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'the problem is you fail to see you are we are all 'people''
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hmm, I thought that was what you were failing to see :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the problem is that you fail to see that everything that you've been claiming of USA people is true of your country's people as well as every other country's people'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you say you think the usa is the best'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, you say that you think that we think that'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ah ok'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no one has said anything on that subject. You have made assumptions and believe them to be true.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'takes a step back'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos rapidly nods twice to you, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you need to take a lot more than one'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'your right Abe'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'takes about 7 steps back'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'sec, lemme debate -h'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'making assumptions that require flying buttresses to stand up is not the way to go about it :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'pfft. not even at 33% through but im obvioudsly to drunk to participate in any of this...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'im sorry'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that explains everything :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i guess only a few points still stand..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I find that hard to believe :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i believe in us all.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I won't go that far. I believe in some of us, the rest are on probation :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'thought that was rendered non existant, sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yeah there's flaws everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i really thought you were saying the usa people are better then the rest of the worlds people, real sorry if i caught that wrongly as well..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'there's one thing ive noticed on that, whilst being more competive you all are more selective to performing more amazing feats as a whole'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'we are spoiled compared to other countries and our carefree attitudes are shocking to those of stricter cultures, but we are also a very generous people. I'm always shocked when people of other countries express distaste at us as a whole, but I guess we are viewed as vulgar'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in regards the topic when I started paying attention...in the event of a third world war, the US military is better equipped than every other military...but the US military needs a clear target...we can wipe pretty much any given place/country off the face of the earth as long as we get the 'go ahead' to do it...and no amount of guns can stand against it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'that shocks me too Myrrhum, with our population we should be performiing at a much higher level'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'the whole view of the usa people being superior to the rest of this earth is...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're the only one expressing that view, myrrhum'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i am'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you are personally better equipped at a better future physically and mentally then i am?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'is that what you think?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I wouldn't know, since I don't know you personally'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'has nothing whatsoever to do with the US, though'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'have you learned about Manifest Destiny, Myrrhum?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'if you are from the us and keep that thought as personal'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm in a pretty comfortable place in my life at the moment, so there's not that much that I wouldn't weather well'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'Hanslanda that is a bit of a different subject...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whether or not I'm better equipped to handle the future than someone else could be asked about the guy 4 houses down just as easily as to you or anyone else'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'untrue, because that guy originates from your 'us' as well, just 4 houses down..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'untrue'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'which is diffrent from the rest of the world, being 'us'.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're telling me what I believe, and you're full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i'm stating you think you are better then us.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right...as I said, you're telling me what I believe, and you're full of shit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'do you think this>?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and in your statement, you're guilty of what you're accusing me of.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not really.  While Manifest Destiny is taught as a specific concept about how Americans view the mainland, it's more broadly indicative of the American way of thinking: we decide what we want, and we take it by any means necessary.  The very subtle distinction is that God is on our side, so us doing anything in that pursuit is right and proper instead of barbaric or some flavor of evil.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'im not saying , ive been asking two times now.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'manifest destiny has been the philosophy in the development of every nation in the history of the world'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no myrrhum, you've been answered, and you've continued stating rather than asking.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ehm'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: '"do you think this>?"'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'read my answer...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Rome certainly had a manifest destiny :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or go to sleep because you've already stated that you're too drunk to comprehend jack shit'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i keep asking and you keep seeing a free hole to fill in these accusations>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I've answered.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you answered on the internet, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'there's probably only person sofar who agrees we are in this earth together as it seems from reading back.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'fuck only 'one''
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'welcome to the Aardwolf debate channel :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there are a lot more who would say differently, but humans tend to cede responsibilities when they can.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'doesn't matter if we're in the earth together...'we are the world' was just a single'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'sings "we are the world"'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I like heal the world better, personally'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'ooh yeah, good one there'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and most of the people singing it didn't like each other :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'that makes 3 vs 1? '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'true, but catchy nonetheless'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I liked it :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'we are all brats, but we are all cute too'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'we all had cute baby feet, but then we learned to talk...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, for someone trying to claim that his version of "us" includes the world, you sure are divisive'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'this earth will smithe you all, but we will have mercy on your souls.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not me, I'm butt ugly.  It stems from having to swat off admirers so much (goddamned lucky shots! :()'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'I see that a lot. I don't know why other countries think we are like that'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you idiots don't see what you are all part off.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'reminds me of a Queen song'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'please follow the rules and refrain from personal attacks, thanks :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'Abelinc, its not that difficult to see the wrong in you'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who really cares, though?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I'm not the one accusing people of what I'm guilty of'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'not the poor defenseless creatures right>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you want to win this fight, give up and go elsewhere, abandoning everything.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yeah well im looking at a Hitler or 3... what can i say :D'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're being a hitler...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Bets on how much of this Myrrhum remembers a few hours from now?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'not for now i wont cause i just can't believe this'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'We are the champions, my friends, and we'll keep on fighting 'til the end.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'oh i remember'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ah so you do take, well what's the saying to the winner go the spoils?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'gotta admit, it's hard when people have different views and opinions than your own and you know for sure you must be right, those others must, in fact, be idiots'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there are no winners on this bus :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'which basically is what has led you all to think that's what's most awesome to get off on right?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only winner is the driver.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only thing here is your askew POV :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'we are so awesome while you all personally are so very very far from that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'gilliaren: problem is, he tells the other side what they believe, regardless of the fact that it's based on nothing but his own bigotry'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Debating with drunk people...soemthing only worthwhile if you are really bored'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's ok on a Sunday afternoon...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'until football season, that is.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'I hear that'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's okay at all times.  If you get challenged to a free win, why pass it up?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when a man is down, kick him!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'I believe the bears will be superior this season'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'Mathoran i ask.compell you to take that back on your own reasonings, i feel quite furious atm despite having seen the USA people as allies throughout my entire life long.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yeah lets talk soccer...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not like we convinced him to get drunk, manipulated him into a fiery discussion, and then sharked the hell out of him.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'oh wait football..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there you go again. There are infants just born in the US and you are already accusing them of being fascists :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'But it's a hollow victory'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'despite most of football doesnt get played like that'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'We are the champions, my friends, and we'll keep on fighting 'til the end.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: ''cause we are the champions of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'im accussing all 3/4 of of telling me repeatedly how superior you are to us all.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'accusing '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, let me do a quick search here...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nope, never used the word "superior".'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, since not one person has made that statement except you, myrrhum...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'in what way do you think we think we are superior?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'here is the thing. Aard is an international forum and you are making claims about its members based on your predisposed assumption that they belong to a homogenous group.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'awww man could i pet you abelinc for that 'win' '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you could, if you weren't so inferior that you don't know how to pet }:>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You pet Myrrhum.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'omg he said it'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, really?  Abe is playing the letter of the law angle?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you are right i probably wouldnt know how to :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'letter of the law? where?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but, since you are homophobic, you are not into petting anyway :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'I don't think I'm superior because I'm from the USA. I think that because I'm from TEXAS. Woo!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'blame me, i only know the difference between wrong and right '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there, I made an assumption based on unsupported facts :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'well see, there ya go. Not a passive participant, didn't I say so?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i'm from Europe, where, you all came from as well btw'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, Texas is on the downhill side of the gravity well.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Myrrhum, I think the place you are looking for is "Africa"'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yet another unfounded statement...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'gotta love texas'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ok, you go ahead and love it :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some US people came from europe. Not "you all".'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'once Louisiana gets erased, Texas is next.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'one more hurricane or two and the job will be done :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'didnt your ancestors come from europe abelinc>?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'so when you all seceding? Cuz I want part of it lmao'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'in the us you mean?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mine did, yes. Not all US people.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'That depends on how far you want to go back...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are a past master at assuming facts not in evidence, Myrrhum :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'african americans, for example, call themselves that for a reason...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'well, im talking 1 on 3/4 still'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you look far back enough and you'll find we all came from Africa :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so you're still making unfounded statements and pretending that they're factual'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'well 99.9% did anyway, isn't there some missing link somewhere?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'getting my points through and stating false assumptions all along like abelinc's ancestors probably loved the nazi's regardless.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, Africa's coming into doubt as The Source.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'oh really? Why is that?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'your grand^2500father was an ugly and smelly Kenyanthropus platyops.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'seeing as how the nazis were just a few decades ago, and all of the relatives alive at the time were fighting against them...I'd say probably not.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'somehow aquainted Analistor'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, no one wants Africa to be the seat of humanity. People there are too dark.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'no, newborn christian god forbid that...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'well that's the same old evolution/creation debate in another form then'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'btw, it wouldn't be traced back to africa, it'd be traced back to pangea...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'aww pangea you know your stuff!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's closer to thee truth, yeah. But I would think that humans are new enough that the continents had begun to split.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'my mom said my brother hatched from a turtle egg, and monkeys leftme in her tree, so...whatever'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, they're finding new evidence that some lines trace back to parts other than Africa.  Much like how we had 3 separate species trees of Homo.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'still this all goes in my direction, you all didnt know how much you had to go against me to prove me wrong with usa like statements which really really worries me.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'is france area one of them? '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, makes more sense than a stork dropping you off with diapers on already.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'I can't even comprehend that sentence'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yeah yeah i got stuff like that in my own language as well..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you are so awesome...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Asia is one, I don't think any started in Europe.  Then again, this is all really recent stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'we didn't want to go against because we were never against you, seemed you were against us'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Asia IS Africa, all part of the same land mass.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'well for what it's worth... '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'more obvious back then.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ive been loving the usa all my life'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'well I was thinking along the bloodlines - rh factor and all that- they are tracing the begatives to france, but I think that goes back to themiddle east & stuff too'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'but you just lost one, how bout that?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Let me get my tissues'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lost one what?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'haha so funny'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'incredibly funny, but missing any point entirely right?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'Oh, yes, I missed your point'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you haven't had a point yet...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mathoran: 'I won't deny that'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I find it hard to believe that 4 non-related lines of humanity came into existence spontaneously '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'other than declaring to us what we believe'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ehm you are all circle jerking to the grand hail of the usa?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, that's you'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'im alone, i can't circle jerk'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can try :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'three, Ana.  There's no more than three separate lines of humans.  Possibly just two, as one is in contention.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'even so, they have to have a common ancestor.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'adam, duh'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gilliaren: 'nephilim'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos falls down laughing.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Adam and Lillith :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the rub is that that ancestor might not be classified as human.  The Missing Link isn't just one species, with all the deciding factors neatly wrapped up in one package.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ill just watch the next 10 seconds ok? seeing you all agree and laugh along at eachoters co respondents jokes?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yes hansie, it can all be twisted.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, I understand. After all, it is probable that the ultimate ancestor of humanity was a fish name Wanda :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you know btw, hans has about ehm been extinct here as firstname'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we all evolved from the fish :) Else why do we have prenatal gills?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in English please?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'new harlem, new paris, new this new that and the rest of the world knows. '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda hurried tries to translate the mumbojumbo into something readable.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i will seriously leave the translating up to you 4 since your doing a great job at it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is New Caledonia, not in the US...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for what it's worth, Ana, a fruit fly has most of our DNA.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'and what does new caledonia mean?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'exactly!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the one big difference is that we have so much more of it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what the Romans called Scotland :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'nova scotia?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'new found land?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you were talking about the new <cityname>'s in the US. I thought I throw in one not in the US :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so, you were complaining about the US having so many "new this and that"...he was merely pointing out that it's not a US thing'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'alaska?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'baked alaska'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'got it in one, Abe :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'im saying you idiots are the most diluted figures on this whole earth, but lemme go over y'all heads while im pissing?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and of course, nevermind that most of the "new this and that" in the US were given those names directly by Europeans'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and there is New Zeland, though I admit I don't know where the old Zeland is.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'the old zeeland is in my country...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zealand...where copenhagen is'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'idiot'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'New York was named New Ansterdam by the Dutch invaders :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'no idiot nr2'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'thanks, Abe :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Amsterdam*'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yes, in a way..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'do you even know where it came from before that?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and Newfoundland is a translation I believe, I think it was first named by the Spanish explorers Terranova.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'where what came from, myrrhum?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when did we fight a war with the Dutch?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless someone here will claim that Canada was settled before the Spanish colonization :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'klololol'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'well i suppose you all wouldnt 'give a fuck right''
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'depends on what she looks like.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'wow, i wonder'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what part of "the internet" are you not comprehending, Myr?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the my alcohol blood level :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as long as she has a pulse, or is short enough after the loss thereof :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'the part where i think you don't need to act as a pathetic excuse for something i wanna start hating'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, boy :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'oh i'll be ok, but you 4 have your fun '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bigot's gonna hate, shit happens'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hate is a proactive emotion, it doesn't need a partner. You can hate me and I won't care :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'rejoice please and im not a biggot'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes you are'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'atm i dont hate one bit'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by definition'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you've been declaring your hate'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ah well, thing atm is i believe what you all tell me and base my response on the same level'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and declaring your bigotry'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is obvious my your statements that you don't like some group :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'by*'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you haven't listened to a word you've been told...you keep repeatedly telling us what we believe'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'no no dumbass silly figure, i went along with what you grouped upon me, idiot :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because all people in the US are like this and fuck them all'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, the capital sin of a debater!'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, some I would, Abe :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you wish :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Brun: 'the lukewarm ones are for anaristos'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'oh and you all didnt keep repeating what you were telling me along and along along to keep me agrevated?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'lukewarm works :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'as if this hourlong bs isnt what -you 4- enjoy more then i am?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what exactly did I say to keep you aggravated?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you have provided much fun and hilarity tonight, Myrrhum :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'well, abelinc you are an asshole pursay in the essence, when i started playing here i thought your name was cool but'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when I first logged on I was bored :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm an asshole with a purse...OK'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I won't argue the point.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hmm. You could swear SnailBot Anaristos has been here just a second ago. You wonder where he went ...
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'ah cute dude..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you take yourself too seriously, Myrrhum :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'Anaritos...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'rather be an asshole than a bigot :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I told you that if you liked getting flame, dabate was the channel for you. Did I lie?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'should never ever ever ever show your hideous self on nb channel ever again'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'this is my debate persona, it stays here :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'i suggest you seek your nearest exit to a rope to hang from and go along with it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, no hate in you at all'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'just giving advice as to what i think is good for this earth and what's not.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because you're all about the good of the earth'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'well no not really'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wasn't that a book by Pearl S. Buck?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'close'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'but you should go hang yourself as well abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm already hung, thanks'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bamboo snickers with you about your shared secret. 
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'let's pick an animal, though.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'poodle?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hung like a poodle.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'yawn'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos gets off the floor after falling off his chair.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sleep tight'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so this is what skeet shooting is like...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'pfffft this is annoying..'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'see what you started?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'you are so cool on internet :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we were all quietly sitting until you started on this channel :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, my name is Zephod. I am the coolest guy in the galaxy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'no no no this says something bout the bitch in you as well '
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'didnt you like tell me to move to here? bitch?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Myrrhum is the biggest bitch! Good thing you told him off.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'btw my name is yomomma imma smack you the fuck on outtahere if you ever dare stand in front of me without anyone else present :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he has been unmasked (unmanned?).'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Fuck yo couch! Buy another one ya rich motha fucka!
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You really are Rick James, ain'tcha??
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Myrrhum: 'hahaha silly silly weak persons, i mean...'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it not disconcerting to know that the US government are trying to teach it's DoD staff that the founders of the United States were extremists?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.scribd.com/doc/162321199/2161-docs#page=43'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Nowadays, instead of dressing in sheets or publicly espousing hate messages, manyextremists will talk of individual liberties, states rights, and how to make the world a better place"'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, look up the story of Joe Mendez, police made up a pack of lies about his car being involved in a hit and run incident as a precursor to a swat team raid to steal his legally owned guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i wonder why nuts never gets upset over violations of the 4th. it's always about yer gens that the president blackenstein is after'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't?'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apart from "all the time", including here in the UK where we don't have a 4th ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly Dagnir missed all of the Snowden related incidents and the fact i've been fighting the UK government dragnetting the entire Internet for the past 2 years'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's a form of confirmation bias - you only read the parts that reinforce your prior held beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here is a good synopsis of the legal issues surrounding action in Syria and the history thereof: http://tinyurl.com/llezq6u'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ok, rarely gets upset'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '$ grep -Pc 'Tigernuts:.+(4th|fFourth)'  2013debate.txt - 12'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '$ grep -Pc 'Tigernuts:.+(4th|fFourth)'  2013debate.txt - 12'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '$ grep -Pc 'Tigernuts:.+(2nd|sSecond)'  2013debate.txt - 42'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'parsing ate some of the symbols, but you get the point'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'ir'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because grabbing a word will clearly give you contextually accurate answers'
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pats Seltsimees Dagnir on his head.
T3/r7/2013-08-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't attack the message? attack the messenger, you'd make a great civil servant'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear the latest about the Dept of Justice?  They're suing the New Orleans public schools to keep black kids in failing (graded ratings of C, D, or F), unaccredited districts because "black kids are supposed to go to black schools"'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'read on'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you will note that those schools are 75-90% black'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if black children don't go to them, who will?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'furthermore - since when do "low income" children deserve a better opportunity than middle class children?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'additionally, have you ever considered that those schools a "failing" because their students are just dumb?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sure, socio-economic issues have nothing to do with it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The DoJ of an administration that ran on, and is visibly championing, race issues has effectively adopted the stance of Separate But Equal.  Last I heard, the civil-rights activists consider SBE to be a bad, bad thing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'school ratings are based largly on student preformance.  In my area (one state over from LA), the schools with mostly black students typically ARE failing... because their mamas and daddies aren't holding the children to a standard at home.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there is also the "title one" standard... schools with more than 50% of this children on reduced lunches get more money to buy better grades'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the why isn't really important.  This suit is in response to the vouchering system that Katrina forced on the entire area, which allows low-income students at these schools to attend a better private school at no charge.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and again... why does it have to center on "low income"?  Why not let the middle class kids get the vouchers, too?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no idea.  I just thought it funny that the very folks who fought so hard to get rid of SBE are now trying to get it back.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, russian deputy premier calls west "monkey with hand grenade"'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he hit the nail on the head there'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saudi arabia threatened russia with terrorist attacks on the winter olympics unless they halted support for Syria'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Saudi Arabia did that?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'an official threat?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Prince Bandar, head of Saudi Intelligence'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were Putin I would have told him that if they did, we'd turn Riyadh into a glass parking lot'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm pretty sure there's no such thing as 'an official threat''
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's uncertain if the leaked details were embellished by Russian Intelligence'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'will Obama further trounce the constitution and not seek congress approval for military action against Syria?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN, even YOU cannot be so naive. Obama asked Congress for both comment and approval. Congress is conspicuous with their SILENCE. They want HIM to decide, so if it goes wrong their name will not be on it. Same folks who call him weak for NOT already attacking'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know where to start on that. let's just say this. Legally he needs to get congressional approval under the War Powers Resolution of 1973'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Conservative = cowardly liars!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything else is exceeding his powers'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'psst, nearly half of it is democrats'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite the vast majority of americans being against intervention, the majority of congress would support it'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Congress is HIDING! Wont even come back to debate it'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because half the republicans are neocons and want to rule the world, and all the democrats would put their children in a blender if Obama said so because he's black'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therefore instant approval'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'He's black? OMG!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, he is their god!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yours too, by the sounds'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'How did THAT happen? Oh yeah, he kicked their butts twice. I forgot'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Congress is HIDING!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Actually, we have nothing to worry about regarding Obama.  He's apparently okay with keeping black kids in failing schools (those giving a grade rating of C, D, or F) simply because black kids should go to black schools.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Cowards'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'kick em all out then, Whig'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get some independents in'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or people who actually understand what their respective parties were originally formed for'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll be glad to know we have exactly the same issues here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe in a couple of years they'll claim Obama isn't black the same way Michael Jackson wasn't black.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'YOU said he needed their approval. I simply pointed out he has asked. They hid'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well technically he is only half black, hans'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his mother was a whore, i mean white'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama, or Michael?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Yep Hans, MJ showed how a poor black kid in America could grow up to be a rich white man!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was ripped off by corporate fascism just like the rest of us'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno why you're taking congress to task, your whole federal tier of government is a screwed right now because it has overreached itself on just about every possible aspect'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'victim of it's own greed'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN, I was just not letting you pretend Obama was going to war without consulting Congress. I know righties love to make them up as they go along. Now YOU know that one is a flat out lie!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make what up?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wars?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: ''will Obama further trounce the constitution and not seek congress approval for military action against Syria? ....... this was what you wrote. My answer should make you think a bit before you try to imply that crap again about Obama'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it you think is inaccurate? his administration has already flouted the constitution many times, including on this particular issue'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'gq'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't make him the only president to have done so, but certainly he has done it more than his predecessors and has largely received a pass'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Anyone actually think striking Syria is actually a good idea?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course there is. It will make Israel the undisputed ruler  of the ME. So, by extension, the US.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'which has been the point all along.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'So you think it is a good idea?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's the idea. Good, bad or indifferent.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'That wasn't my question.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not the one who is going to be shot at. Had I'd been, I might have a stronger opinion on the subject.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's a political idea. "Good" has nothing to do with it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we still have Iran to contend with.  Iran is definitely more effective than Syria is, now that Syria's being consumed by internal affairs.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'I fear I'm not going to get an answer from you clearly am I?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Iran will be a pussycat with Syria out of the way.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you got a clear answer. You ask a question without indicating what "good" means.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Let me rephrase, then. Does anyone think that attacking Syria meets their own definition of a "good idea"?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'strategically, it may not be a good idea. The Syrian situation will put the US and Russia one-on-one again.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i could care less anymore '
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and the Russians have new weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we never really left that relationship, Ana.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, let's put it this way, entante is going to go away.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'both the US and Russian military are eager to test their technology. It's not going to be pretty.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we might not win the next Cold War, but if we go back to the no-shots-fired cat-and-mouse from before, we probably won't do any worse.  Provided, of course, we simply haven't swapped roles (ie, US bankrupts itself trying to maintain military strength).'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, militarily,  we will see the aging US behemoths vs the new nimble Russian mobile artillery. It will be fun to watch (at a distance). '
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Russians have new rocket propellants and the US anti-rocket assets may not be fast enough.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'I think its hilarious that you think that's how wars are fought.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course "may" is the operative word :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'This isn't the 1940s :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's how this  war is going to be fought.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Russia won't want to inadvertantly jumpstart the American machine by tripping into a direct war.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Technically it isn't a war, Congress has not declared a war.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unless the US decides to do a Nagasaki on Syria (even without using tactical weapons). Just bomb the hell out of the place.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since it's not technically war, I gues no one technically dies?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Many people die in things that aren't wars every day.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but since the point is to secure the largest cache of natural gas in the world, I doubt the US will  go that route.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I always shoot the "technically" guys first if I have the chance'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'cry "Vote!" and let loose the hounds of war!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically, we have not fought a "total" war since 1945'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'technically, what we've done SINCE 1945 is fight right up to the point where it wouldn't be "fair" to keep hitting the other guy'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you mean an old-fashioned one-on-one?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'war should not be fought unless you are prepared to ahnialate your enemy... and his children'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this crap about fighting the enemy untill it looks like you might win, then asking if you can stroke his pecker is BS'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the US will want to engage in some time of urban warfare since they will have to control Syria city by city. That's where the "rebels" will gain advantage using mobile artillery.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nah, the advantage only comes when the leadership prevents the soldiers from actually engaging.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the US citizens will give the syrians all the advantage they need by insisting that we not fight a TOTAL war'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US citizens are weak'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just having mobility isn't going to make much of a difference either way.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there shouldn't be a war at all. Has anyone checked the fingerprints on the nerve gas canisters? :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'US citizens only care about the next free chicken'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you mean the US citizens should support the effort in Syria?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Anaristos... why don't you trot on over there and check?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I wouldn't last the trip :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'I actually think he's getting to a point. How do we know that Assad did this?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all citizens are weak.  They never lead lives that insist on war mentalities.  Even in hotspots like Israel, where the entire country's forced into the military.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I mean... if the US Citzans 'went along with it', they would only go along with it right up until CNN showed the first video of an injured syrian puppy.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'November:  we're only ever going to know what we are supposed to know... we will NEVER have enough information to decide for ourselves if a war is just, or not.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'What information did the public know before WWI or WWII that would make them think a war was justified?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: '(this is a rhetorical question)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you're all debating where/how/who the next war will be fought?  I'll tell you... it will be fought on CNN in American Living rooms'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'What is the reason that a US citizen would support an attack on Syria? I mean what evidence does a citizen have that Syria needs attack? Let me remind you that  this would be a citizen of a country who lied about why they entered the Viet Nam,  Iraqi and Afghanistanian wars. The same country that put the Lucitania on the path of U-boat torpedoes, the same country who sank the Maine and accused the Spanish of the deed.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so this citizen would have to wonder who really fired the nerve gas.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since you are talking about "proof", Anaristos... what proof do you have that the US sank the Maine?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what "proof" do you have that the US intentionally put the Lucitania in the scope of a U-Boat?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'look at the ship, it's a monument  in Havana Harbor. The plates of the ship are bent outward.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'have you seen this?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what "proof" do you have that the pictures are genuine?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I lived in Havana for 18 years, saw it many times.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'What proof did we have that Iraq had WMD?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as to the plates being bent out... you are correct.  That happenend when the magazine blew... AFTER the spanish bombed it'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, nice try Vonliage :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my point is... the truth is what ever you think it is, and 'proof' is only useful if it supports your beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'moron alert'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'The proof we had was little, except the trust that the government told us the truth in all these wars/fights.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you need proof that your ass is dirty before you wipe it?  or do you just go ahead and reach for the toilet paper (or corn cob, if you're from that part of the country)?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you are the US, of course you are going to say that the Spanish bombed the ship. A godsend since the US was looking for a way  to go to war with Spain. Spain, being weak intellectually decided to provide the US with the needed excuse.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Just like the Vietnamese that "attacked" the US destroyer in Hanoi  Harbor.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and all the WMDs that Hussain had stashed all over Iraq.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you realize that Al Qaeda were really US citizens in disguise, right?  We invented the bad guys so that those we really wanted to annihilate would jump in on their side against the Great Satan, right? :eyeroll:'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, let me say this about Al Qaeda. They had as much love for Hussain as the  US did. To Al Qaeda, Hussain, was too secular. A deviant from Islamic law.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so the idea they Hussain and Al Qaeda were in league was preposterous. Had the US asked, Al Qaeda might have invaded Iraq for them :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'except that prior to Iraq we thoroughly embarassed them in Afghanistan.  I doubt 2 whole years was enough time to get them to do our bidding just because they happened to not like someone else in the region.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Sadam Hussain was a despot and a tyrant - he needed killing'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'may so, but if anyone had a right to kill him, would have been his subjects.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and they did'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or do you support that if foreign elements think a US president needs killing they should come in and do it?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hung him from a rope, they did'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US hanged (not hung) him.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'would all depend on what I thought of the US president.  If he gets to thinking he has a throne rather than a chair.. I suspect we'd kill him ourselves without too much help from the outside'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obviously you not familiar with the concept of sovereignty.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Sadam was tried in an Iraqi court, and hung by the Iraqies'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, so what?  Can't just tell the world "I don't like that guy, so I'm going to go kick his ass!" without severe repercussions on your citizens.  Too many special interests were in the area.  If you want to fight a war nowadays, you either have to be unlucky enough to suffer a real blow or you have to manufacture an enemy that everyone else can go "Fuck!  Well, we won't stop you, but be damn careful not to break the china!"'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'he was hanged (not  hung) by puppets manipulated by the US. Do you think the US  would have allowed a different verdict?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are an innocent :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Hanslanda looks at Vonliege and goes "Okay, how many dolphins am I holding up?"
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'The Bush wanted Hussain dead, he said that explicitly. No way that Hussain was going to get any other  verdict.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on the contrary... I am far from innocent... tell me.  would you stick a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger if you wern't absolutly sure it wasn't loaded?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'depends on the results I sought :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I say you are an innocent because you fail to see that Hussain's trial was a political play with an predetermined  outcome. He was probably guilty, but that  was beside the point.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yet, for political reasons, it was very important that it all be handled by the Iraqis'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it was'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'exactly, that was nice puppetry :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'political agenda satisfied'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how is that at al suprising or shocking?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you are willing to kill a man for political expediency. I guess you are not an innocent :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or even offensive?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'governments have been doing it since governments were invented'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's the "way" of things'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's how the world works'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'good justification :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I love situational ethics.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for good or ill, nobody who spends their time playing an online text game is going to have any impact what so ever on that fact'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'whatever that means :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Chris, SH and remort already!'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it means... enjoy your <$5 gas, and don't worry that it's the cheapest gas in the entire world (except maybe for Kuwait... where it's pretty much free)'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we haven't broken 4 yet, except in places in the US that hate gas (like California).'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, I love to pay 5USD for gas. Notice that domestic gas which is not subject to the costs of ME oil cost the same... Gee, I wonder if there is a connection beetween that and the price we pay.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oil pumped in TX costs the same as oil pumped by the Saudis... How did that happen? Do the Saudis own the TX oil fields too?'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, gas station I took my bike to today had a sign at the pump, they only had ultra 94, so I got it at the regular price...3.49'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'do you live in the US, Abe? :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so $3.499/gallon, not some euro/liter'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'for much of the summer we were even hovering around $3 again and for a brief period in the early spring we were inching rather close to $2.50'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, 3.50 a gallon is reasonable. LA and NY pay around anywhere between 3.80 and 4.20 a gallon depending on the neighborhood.'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the lowest it got in LA was last year at 3.239'
T3/r7/2013-08-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but those cycles are expected. They are psychological ploys. The way you get someone to give you 20 USD is by asking for 100. So they use this technique to keep incrementing the gasoline price. Take it to an extreme high, lower it above the previous settled high and the people will be grateful to pay "lower" prices.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm a middle aged man and am very content with my wife and family - so don't think me lecherous when I state:  I've been to AU when I was younger.  I was astonished that all the women I saw were just plain HOT.  Now, when I watch TV and something about Australia comes up, again - All the women are HOT!  Where does australia hide the dogs?  And where are all the fat people (since AU now tops the list of "fat nations")?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or it might be an indictment on your taste in women :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you see beauty where others see escapees from the kennels :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdfwhere'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woopsy, there's another one'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA derailing UN probe into weapons, why? https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/08/28'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gold is on the way up again'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Rachael Madcow has lost 43% of her audience in August'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'MSNBC viewership down to 520k, some youtube channels get more regular visits than that'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when will MSNBC officially rename to AirAmerica?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't it be DemocratPartyTV?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all prepared for nuclear war, Hans?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'first things first, Tiger.  Chemical is the bigger worry.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it comes to either of our countries it'll be nukes'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i sure hope Russia doesn't bottle it'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blonk: 'You really think so? Personally i think it will be chemical.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the major powers all signed not to use em'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tactically they are not useful either'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i fear nato will bomb syria and russia and the rest will do nothing'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when in reality they need to man up to nato and put them in their place'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs to be some moral and ethical leadership in the world'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'better that we back Al Qaeda than Hezbollah.  I don't think we created Hezbollah.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bio-weapons are the worst'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely bio weapons will be used when they have nukes'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nukes are relatively predictable, bio-weapons are not'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not impressed with Iran threatening Israel though, that's just silly'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd do better threatening US bases in Qatar/Bahrain'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'note'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'My wife has 4 aids in her 6th grade classroom this year'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'hell of a union ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'three of them are to deal one-on-one with "troubled" children'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fourth is for a crippled child'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'They should bring back the paddle lets see how trubled they are at school when they get their ass busted...'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I found myself wondering... if a child is so ill-diciplined that they require a full time monitor, does that child need to be in public school?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'amen'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there IS a pladdle at this school...  and they use it, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'there is a huge diffrence between a disabled child and an unruly child that the school system just doesn't see'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but... they have to make so many calls, and get so much permission that by the time the oak meets the childs ass, everyone has forgotten what it was for'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'at the local school near my house there was an 8 year old boy actually molesting a 4 year old girl in the bathroom they told him no and allowed him to go back to class and sent the girl home. claiming he was mentally disabled i say beat him with a paddle and see if he does it again'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'the school systems are so just for lack of a better word Shit here where i live'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'today, when one of the child's monitors was out of the room for a second, the child threw a chair at, and injuring the teacher (requiring 2 stiches).  The police came and arrested the 6th grader, and when the parent came to the school, she wanted to know what they did to provoke him.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'wow..'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'teacher was not my wife... another teacher'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'to provoke a kid...'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'that means it apparently isn't the first time. So i say expell him and home school him or beat him within an inch of his life and teach him real quick.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the child will be back in the same class room tommorow since the school doesn't want to suspend a black kid first this school year.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they have a stated goal that the will only suspend one black child for ever white child suspended.... the ratio at the school is 55% black, 40% white, and 5% latino/aisian'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: '...'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'May I ask which state you live in?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Wait. They've actually stated that goal? You can find it in print?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it all falls under "title one" rules... they get extra money because 50%+ of the school is on reduced lunches... but they also get inspected.  Last year, they got bad marks for suspending too many minorities'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'state is AL'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... there is an Email... a VERY damning email that states the administration's intent'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'pretty soon white will be a minorities all of our rights are being taken away one at a time..'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BUT... because it is not biased against a minority, it is not considered "ratial"'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what a shame.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in other news... bus drivers will NOT be allowed to carry guns on the bus... you may recall the news last year where the child was taken off the bus at gun point (bus driver shot dead) and held in a bunker?  same school district.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'this might be a news flash to you, but whites are a minority. A minority with delusions of grandeur :) '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'wait now'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'If bus drivers could carry a gun on the bus, there would be a problem.  Big problem.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Whites aren't a minority in any state but Hawaii. Yet, anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am speaking about planet Earth.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I am not saying we are superior in any way shape or for in my eyes we are all equal and should be treated as such but every other races gets away with so much more shit than we do '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'That is the dumbest statement ever'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Ever'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ah, ok. Yeah, definitely a minority on Earth.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how can you actually type that and not gag?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are saying that if whites are treated the way the treat other races, that's unfair.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they treat*'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I guess it is where I live but i see so many other people scream racist and shit it is truely sad but the white folks cannot scream it or if we do it does nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'You're asking for preferential treatment.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'Not really'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the white  folks don't need to scream it, the fact that they are where they are was a product of racism.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'The world is not even, the world is not fair.  There will always be imbalance to some extent.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'oh jesus fuckin christ Seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'the slaves?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, really. Name the place and I can show you how the whites got there.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'Really? we are where we are cause of racist shit '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'But what you see is not a fair representation of reality across the country or the world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'Were you there?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'He's right.  Unfortunately, racism is part of what got us where we are, for better or worse.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I wasn't there, but if is is anywhere in the US,  there is need for  me to even say anything :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no need, that is.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'and thank you where i am was pretty much neutral during the war'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or South Africa, or Indonesia, or South America, I mean, name the place.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I do not approve of slaves but i do not damn people who owned them to hell cause they did.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Dont have to.  just have to understand that the practice of it was wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'in who's eyes?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't think whites should be targets of racism, but it does seem a bit over the top when they are targeted and they act as if they can't understand why.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'In the evolved society that we live in today'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'but what gives them the right to target us?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'note I didn't say that it wasn't unfair, I am saying that when it happens they light bulb should come on immediately instead of searching for "answers" as to why another race would target them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'Wow'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Nobody should be a target of racism of any sort, no exceptions.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'There's still quite a bit of slavery in the world. Asia in particular, from what I understand.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'are they black?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'or are they asian?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Who cares what color they are'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'probably the same right that whites have to target other races.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'just wondering because white people will own them some sort of something on down the line'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Does is make a difference? They're humans and they're property. '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'owe*'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Racism and slavery are bad, skin color, nationality, race dont matter.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I'm white as a bone, but you walk down the street and call a black guy the not-so-cool N word, I'm going to have a serious problem with you.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'see, Kilfer, you are a bigot. You assume that if you are a slave you must be black.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it is probably the case that no one alive today can claim that somewhere in their ancestral tree there wasn't a slave.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I suppose it depends on who does the calling. Black people call each other niggers all the time. I wouldn't recommend a white person do it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'if we do it is a racial slur and around here people get punished by law'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I know there was in my past, back in Germany.  It sucks, not proud of it, but its a fact.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you don't need to say anything else Kilfer. We have already identified you :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'not sure about other states but here you can face up to a year in prison'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I can't say that I appreciate it when blacks call whites crackers, either.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'so i'm labeled now?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'here is another news flash, Kilfer. The US is not  the entire world.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'please do tell.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I dont see cracker as a derogatory term, but then again, I live in a 95% white state.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'are you shittin me?!'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'there is a world?! I call bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'It is, Flach. It is when blacks use it, anyway. It's not meant as a compliment.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Oh, I know.  I am just not as opinionated on it as others.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'for one thing, I never claimed that blacks weren't bigots. I only said that when whites are the target of bigotry they act as if they are being unfairly targeted.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'It takes a lot for me to be offended'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'But if it gets to the point where you've truly offended me, you'd better be ready to throw'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, Ana, when whites are the targets of bigotry it *is* unfair. Just as it's unfair for anybody.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'nah rhavage'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, but when whites target others, they don't claim that's unfair. You don't hear them wailing about how blacks are treated. They are too busy looking for suitable trees.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'we should be ok with it cause we basically have a bullseye on our backs for being white.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Nobody should be OK with it for any reason'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'But i'm a bigot'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Kind of a grand overstatement there, Ana. The country is far from perfect, but this isn't 1936 any more.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the only way to rid the Earth of bigotry is through inter-marriage. Not going to happen in the US in the near future.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, it's not  1936. Now the attitude is "I  have  nothing against blacks, some of my coworkers are black. I think that black people are ok, as long as they don't try to marry my sister, that is".'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Funny how the meaning and impact of words changes over the years. In the early 60s, before the Braves moved from Milwaukee, the baseball team in Atlanta was called the Crackers.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'To each their own because a few think like that doesn't mean everyone does.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are right, and the proof that you are right is the overwhelming number of black/white interracial marriages...'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what do you think?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I mean can you help who or what your attracted to?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are kidding, aren't you? Are you trying to say that there is some genetic inhibition that prevent whites from being attracted to blacks?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'gonads are color blind. So what prevents  the  union is in the mind.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'No I'm not i'm saying you like what you like reguardless of what color.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'Liking a person and being attracted to a person is two different things.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I'm just not attracted to dark skinned women, for the most part.  There are a few exceptions, but not too many.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'i am just curious as to how inter-racial marriages will help the problem.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'It wont'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'and i am the exact same way flach '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Unless enough happened that we were all one race, it won't...'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, but here is a man and here is woman, nature takes  its course the odds are they will mate. The white/black pairs in the US  are statistically subpar. In other words, given the ratio of whites and blacks in the US, the pairs  are way under what you would expect.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Asians in the US are about the same number as blacks, and yet the asian/white pairs are way higher.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'wow'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, what.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'd only ever had white girfriends all of my life. Then I spent quite a while just bumming around in southern Africa, and guess what? I'll bet you can.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that  might not be true in Deluth, but it is certainly true in places like LA or NY'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'propinquity'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'well since there's only white people in SA, you stuck with white girlfriends!'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'or am I shitty guesser'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'mere exposure'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'wow lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wait, wait, did  I get this right?  Only white people in South Africa? You didn't say that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Only white people in SA? Er, what? They make up about 15% of the population, about the same as blacks here in the states. Or did I misundertand?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'And debate is going off.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flip: 'I was kidding =) I was just there recently ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos rapidly nods twice at Rhavage, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'But I said southERN, not just South. Namibia, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Botswana, Malawi, Mozambique. I looked like a flashlight in those countrues.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'countries*'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'And at 6'4" and white as a ghost, I stand out in Japan just a wee bit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what, so you felt out of  place?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'everyone is cabable of attraction to people they are exposed to. In America white people fear black people and there is not as much exposure. The law of propinquity applies. Natural'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so  that means, you would not seek companionship in either Africa or Asia (Japan).'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Whig, for most of the U.S. thats true, sadly.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't know about you, but in my opinion some of the most beautiful women in the world  come from Sierra Leone, Ethiopia and Somalia.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'and OF COURSE there is value in interracial marriage, both genetic and historical'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Agreed, Ana. Also, from France and the Netherlands ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'indeed :)('
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'It wasn't allowed in U.S. history, Virginia tried kicking an interracial couple out of the state a long while back...'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fi-Bot Fiain: 'Long while being back when there was segregation, or a bit after.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'genetics by widening the gene pool and reinforcing positive outcomes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Historical by blending, therefor lessening the differences till we have to have other reasons to feel superior'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'ooops, qt'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Actually, we've done quite a lot of blending already. I'm a mix of English, German, and Irish. They haven't historically all been some blissfully happy white family. My wife if a blend of German, Czech, and Russian. And we know that the Germans and the Russians, of course, have never had a disagreement.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I promise if you are 'stuck on a desert island' with someone opposite gender and no options, you will find over time that they are quite naturally attractive to you afterall ...... mere propinquity'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'You love that word.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm inclined to agree, Whig.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though time will be a function of the races involved? :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Yes, it has a specific meaning in psychology'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'I know, I just mean you're droppin' it like it's hot. '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but the point should be that if you are stuck in a dessert island, there should be a need to overcome any racial aversion.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Sorry, I am a psychologist .... it is how I think'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, there shouldn't be*'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'Lol you're missing the point, but that's cool :) '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'I'm no psychologist, but I did stay a a Holiday Inn Express last night.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'If you're stuck on a dessert island, try not to over eat ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'LOL'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not missing the point. A man and a woman are in a desert island and the biggest issue is that they are not of the same race? Wow stupid is that?'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'How*'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'Not you, I actually agree with you, I was talking to Whig.'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'mmm, a dessert island.  yummy'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry about the misspell :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Is ok, Ana. I liked it ;)'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Yes Anar, they learn that they have far more in common than different, and a need to share their feelings and thoughts. it is easy for humans to discover similarity when they are together a lot. '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'That IS the Law I was overusing, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I understand all that. It reinforces the point I made that the problem is in the mind, not in the gonads.  All humans are sexually compatible, and that should be the only issue when two people are stranded somewhere, not whether their melanin content is above or below certain level.  '
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'FYI, I like em and shape size and color. People are most always amazing when examined closely ..... even conservatives [i guess]'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'any, that is'
T3/r7/2013-08-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, I like to examine some people very closely :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so whats happening'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'noexp'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Michelle Obama will sekk the Democratic Nomination for president in 2016 against Hillary Clinton'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'sigh'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'is it just me, or is it really, really crass to seek presidency after someone in your immediate family held the office?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... I suppose hos children are still a bit young... I think you have to be 45, don't you?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: '35'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I thouhgt that was for senate'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'senate's 30'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'house is 25'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and 21 to buy a keg... got it'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'mind you, I don't think anyone's actually achieved the office at that age'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and to buy a gun?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '18'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '17 to die for your country'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'with parental permission'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: '21 to drink, 18 to die.  Sounds about right'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yep'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that whole Michelle will run for president was just the local morning news having some fun... not meat to it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Barak was the first black president... Hillary will likely be the first female president...  Too bad that Chelse won't be the first ugly president (there's been some ugly presidents)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Chelse was a homely child... then she went to college and looked OK... then she got married and now she's a real grown up dog-face'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, I don't normally give any credence to Rush Limbaugh, but he knocked it out of the park here: "Taisha Backs has had the government of her choice for coming on five years now, and yet shes still mad at people who dont have any power to affect her at all, at least not in politics," he said. "This womans obviously mad at the Republicans. Thats what shes been told to be. But the point is that none of them blame Obama. Theyre livid."...'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"You McDonalds protesters, what do you think is gonna happen when 11 million or 12 million people are given amnesty? Theyre gonna take that job that youre getting $7.25 for and theyll do it for five bucks, and then what are you gonna do? Thats gonna be fun to see," Limbaugh said."'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for all his receding hairlined rantings, he's kinda got a point'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'don't they have that job already?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can be replaced...'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but that isn't the point either, over time new/vacant posts will be filled by the lower wages, it'll drive wages down'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the illegals, I meant'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'One recent estimate by researchers at the Pew Hispanic Center puts the number of illegal aliens in the workforce at 8 million out of an overall population of 11.2 million illegal aliens, i.e., 71.4 percent.1 That estimate is generally accepted as reasonable.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it shows the wider issue that if you don't control borders and trade, foreign labour causes a reduction in your living standards because all the jobs go there. See the UK for an obvious example, see also the US car building trade'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'the 1 there is a citation'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'That implies data. Where is yours?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you want data for?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: '[29 Aug 17:33:55] (Debate) Tinada: 'don't they have that job already?' [29 Aug 17:34:48] (Debate) Tinada: 'the illegals, I meant' [29 Aug 17:34:57] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope''
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so this researcher is claiming that the employers of 8 million illegals are breaking the law? or do they mean they are in the black/grey market workforce?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you don't think the grey market workforce doesn't put downward pressure on wages? They get away with paying below minimum wage'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'That is not my point'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it was mine'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'I don't really care about the topic. I care about data :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'And you have none'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no point'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'My point is you have no data - and I have data to support it! :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus runs away in utter terror!
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't know what you're supporting'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Sure I do, I'm just not discussing it with you :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Quadrapus: 'Two separate issues'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, here's my data'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts implies with his middle finger that he would like you all to fuck off!
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Quadrapus goes, "OK".
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i completely support the fast food workers calling for a $15/hr wage'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i also completely support raising the minimum wage here in the UK to 10gbp/hr so that tax credits can be wiped out'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you support $10 coffees from Starbucks?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't buy from starbucks'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however if $10 was the true cost of a coffee from starbucks, and i wanted to buy a starbucks coffee, that's what i would pay'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The mighty Hollister: 'LOL Zing!'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point, paying the true cost of things rather than getting it cheap at the cost of screwing people over'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at $15 and hour for fast food workers... that'd put a big mac at around $9US... I don't think that McDonalds will hire too many folks at $15'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually that's not true'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'For McDonalds to pay their workers $15 an hour it'd raise their overall costs by 2.7%'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of like the City of DC telling wal-mart that they are going to pay above minimum wage at the three new stores that they are opening in the DC area.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'to which wal-mart saluted with the middle finger, and now that's 3,000 jobs that DC don't get... at ANY wage'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Costco pays an average of $22.50.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this needs to be caveat'd. In the UK, the tax payer subsidises these low-paying corporate jobs through tax credits, which i disagree with vehemently'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't want corporations to have their wage bill subsidised by tax payers, so raising the minimum wage is the only way of doing that in broad strokes'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if wal-mart are being forced into higher wages, then they're quite at liberty to pass that on to the consumers'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or in this case, they just chose not to build the stores'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the stores clearly weren't needed'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or just lower everyone's hours so they don't get any benefits and/or can't make enough to survive.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the city fathers of DC are currently exploring ways to MAKE walmart build the stores AND pay the high wages'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can't MAKE them buold anything'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if they can MAKE them pay the wages they want, why not MAKE them build the stores?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'build or not build. if they don't build and there's excess demand, someone else gets the business'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'since big givernment is all about MAKEING people do what they want'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is where i split from you, VL, you see it as interference of big government, but if you didn't have minimum wage standards, you'd end up paying anyway through the tax system in terms of food stamps and welfare'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Walmart's getting burned by Amazon, and now Amazon's getting burned by the little guys they destroyed with their nearly-no-profit margins.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'some people can be made to do your bidding with a free chicken.. others require an heaping load of regulation shoved down their throats... in the end, Giverment will get their way - they always do'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i used to think like you in regard to minimum wage, then i saw the welfare bill and the way that large corporations were bending us all over and fucking us mercilessly up the arse, then i changed my mind'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, i would never buy from starbucks, regardless of the price'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'buy TG - we already do... there are many cases where welfare is already a better licing than a 39 hour a week minimium wage job - welfare has to be chopped, the people made hungry, and the jobs filled - at a FAIR market wage.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would go to an independant/mom/pops coffee shop even if it were twice the price'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The mighty Hollister: 'I don't like starbucks coffee'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporations are not PAYING a fair market wage, VL, partly because they can get away with it, partly because of the immigrant labour'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back before the days of automation there was (here at least) 100% employment, so there was a premium paid for good workers'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you have mass unemployment'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the solution ultimately is fewer people'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many politicians do you see spouting that as a policy?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need $1000 a month here to live on before energy, food, or transport just to have a roof over your head'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here you go, VL, some food for your rabid republicanist apetite: http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately, our "opposition" party here took an opportunity to play partisan politics and shot down the UK goverment's desire to send missiles against Syria. Right outcome, wrong reason, but i'll take that for now'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... every time the government... sorry... GIVErment meddles in one area, it cause an inbalance in another... then they have to push over there... so on and so forth... the free-market model only works if its free work...  If companies want employees, ''''
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ooops... dang command history'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was for several minutes ago'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically, if the Syrian government did use chemical weapons in combat, it has not broken international law in doing so'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since it is NOT a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who gives a crap about international law... who really gives a crap about syria?  the only issue on the table here is that these petty pretend governments have gotten away with too much for too long, and now they don't give a rat's arse what we tell them....  they have no fear OR respect for anyone.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to reign in yours'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'make us'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only you can effect that change'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm working on my own'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's the international language... "make me"'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well we all know international law and the UN is a scam, it's "do what NATO tells you or else", along with the "you have rights as long as you don't disagree with us"'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we said "don't use chemical weapons", and they said "you're going to stop me?  you and who's army"'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same thing as your constitutional rights'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'somewhere along the line you allowed the constitution to be degraded, now politicians think they can trample on it any time. Did you see Obama's banned foreign gun imports?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, we're always ready with an answer to that question, von'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm just weary of the rest of the world not doing "their fair share" of policing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of the world should be policing'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the west hadn't stuck their oar into Syria's business in the first place, chances are there wouldn't be a civil war going on right now'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like Iran... some day soon, Isreal is going to whack 'em with US made jets and missiles... and the rest of the world is going to scream "How DARE you!" while they quietly breath a sigh of relief that Iran has been delt with'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully Iran will get nukes before that happens so that Israel can be wiped off the face of the map'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that doesn't sound nice'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'followed by the US, France and GB'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't does it, but then again, being turfed out of your own country and then being threatened with invasion and having sanctions placed on your isn't nice either'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm pretty sure that Iran/Persia has been in the same spot for along time'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talking about Palestine/Arabs'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Iranians aren't arabs'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fermenting sectarian tension between Sunnhi's and Sh'ia is something the west has been doing to deflect attention from the Palestine issue'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or palestinians'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some Iranians are Arabs, some are Persian'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all are Muslim'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the ruling class, and MOST of Iran is Persian.... and they look down on Arabs'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they intend to rule all of Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'because their better'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and smarter'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best they get on with it, then'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and all baptists are just terrorists who still think diplomacy works.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather them in charge than Prince Bender of Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... that's catholics and evangelicals, if you are referenceing the recent defense department statement'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'add libertarians and army vets to that list, VL'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and anyone opposed to communism'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh yes.. of course.  How could I forget'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I'm not.  I meant strictly baptists.  The amount of division in that faith alone is staggering.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are a few flavors... mission, free will, etc....'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cheese & onion'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but back to iran... what do you think a gallon of gas will cost if Iran controls the entirety of the middle east?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same as it does now'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they start overcharging just switch supply to elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'they probably won't control all of the middle east anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then the price of nachos goes up because all the corn goes to biodiesel'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if they get nukes they will... they won't be able to keep them locked up.  they will HAVE to touch off a few to make everyone listen.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i understand, the current Iranian regime has no intentions of that sort, they just want USA to fuck off out of the affairs of the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if that happened, Iran would effectively become crippled by its own success.  Nobody would buy from them if it cost too much, and if Iran didn't back down they'd be saddled with moreorless across-the-board (almost Japanese-style) embargoes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and unlike the US, they haven't invaded anyone'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the chines and russians would still buy their oil'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the Indians the Brazillians'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hence the embargoes that quickly kill off Iran.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one day Americans will wake up and realise that they're seen as the baddies'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point is, I just can't see Iran+nukes as a positive in any way.  TG:  you're advocating the extermination of the jewish people, but beyond that... what good can come of it?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'advocating is way too strong of a word'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '[29 Aug 17:19:51] (Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully Iran will get nukes before that happens so that Israel can be wiped off the face of the map''
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather everyone left them alone, i'd rather Israel not have been turned over to european immigrants and then bankrolled by USA'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but we have to deal with the world as it is, not how i'd wish it to be. Lift the sanctions off Iran, pull out of the middle east, let people get on with it'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'since they only are interested in soft targets, it sets the lovely precedent that extermination is okay/acceptable.  Might change the "pansy" American way of thinking, an even lovelier thought, really, given that our military budget is still bigger than many countries' entire operating budgets.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'imagine if the Americans stopped thinking in terms of minimal (collateral) damage?  We'd surely take some hits, but a lot of you other guys would just end up countryless.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or you could just stop trying to impose your shit corporatist fascism masked with an illusion of democracy on everyone else in the world?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pick up your toys, go home and try and sort out your domestic mess'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when I lead the clan in qps earned, that means the rest of the members are slacking.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis!'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I do between 50 to 75 but I don't remort that often.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis again :('
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fast food workers don't need any more than minimum wage - Flipping burgers IS a minimum wage job.  Work the job for the reference and until you have the skills to get a better job... and quit your bitching'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Minimum wage is a pox on our society, it needs to be eliminated.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'agreed... employers might have a lot more jobs to offer if they wern't forced into paying a specific wage.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it would be eliminated if employers were moral, ethical people. But if you leave them alone they will figure a way to get the work done for free.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's absurd... they won't be able to get workers if they don't pay'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'really? History proves you wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not since slavery'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you don't have to work in a plantation to be a slave.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'That's right. Let the market determine what they will pay people.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'What's next, a maximum wage?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Too many regulations.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'November, you are joking. Employers will  use the market forces to reduce wages, but not to increase them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Exactly how? If you have a Wendys and a McDonalds in a town and they need to hire.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, when the excellent work employees do increases the earning power of the company, the owners are not going to say "Here is your reward".'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'One offers $6 an hour, the other $7.. so people all work for the $7 one. So the first raises it to $7'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they will fight tooth and nail for any raises they grant, as if the raises were breaking the company.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Just like gas prices and the cost of anything you buy (except healthcare) the market decides'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'No, they wouldn't they would want happy employees'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'so they would determine what they can afford for that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are an innoncent :) Gas prices are set by the producers. All they have to do is shut down the spigots and sit back. Or haven't you been paying attention?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'employers understand the value of a good employee... good works are rewarded - lazy unionizers are not'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Companies aren't stupid.. they know how to work markets and determine how to get the best talent'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'employers understand the value of good employees, that's not the samething as saying that when things are going well, the employees will reap the rewards the same way the employers do.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'No, I have. The US export is up 24% in the last 3 years according to Fortune'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'It just remains where it is now because high demand in China/Asia'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'And we're going to be an "oil rich" nation pretty soon, so if we exceed demand, prices will go down.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'And if we can find ways to transport it too like a pipeline of course'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'note that the oil extracted from US soil costs the same as the oil extracted by the OPEC... that's showing them who is boss. The US is not trying to fight OPEC they are letting OPEC set the prices for them. So, even though the cost of production for  domestic oil is lower (for one thing they are a hell of a lot closer to the refineries) the charge the same price as producers that have to send their oil 10K miles.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'I dont think so pal, if the US companies can sell China oil for $80 a barrell and OPEC offers $90 a barrell for theirs, they will just buy from us instead.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Unless of course they want to buy from OPEC for other reasons..'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US bitched about OPEC raising the price of oil from 10USD to 32USD in the 70s. But they promptly raised the prices to that level, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but the point is that the US raised their prices so they could reap in the extra profits. You cannot tell me that the cost of producing domestic oil for domestic conception is the same as the cost of imported oil. '
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Well first, lets look at the fact that only 25% of the oil in this country comes from outside of North America.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and by selling China oil for 80 USD they are screwing the US consumer in the name of extra profits.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'And that is lessening as we said because production is going up due to fracking'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it doesn't matter if it is only 1%. The cost of production is lower so the price should be  lower. Why should a motorist pay the same price for domestic gasoline as he does for imported one. Part of the cost of items is the distance from the distribution point.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you are trying to tell me that US  oil companies are suffering and that  is why their prices are so high, don't bother.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Because oil is sold on a global market. If you can produce it cheaper than another guy, and transport it (figured into the cost) then you make the profit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'No they're making record profits, and if you invested in them and in infrastructure, you'd be too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'BULLSHIT. Domestic companies are treating domestic consumers as part of their global markets while reaping tax breaks from said consumers. Tax breaks that OPEC doesn't get and can use to justify their prices.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'But when their production exceeds US demand... they will look to the global markets then to sell.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'and if their prices are higher... they'll sell to those consumers instead.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fine, so then let the domestic oil companies behave like they are foreign companies and eschew the tax breaks they get, such as the oil depletion allowance.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the oil depletion allowance makes oil production basically tax free.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Heh, depletion. Doesn't matter, once the sun burns out this planet is doomed no matter what it has on it :P (I'm being facitious)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the collective pocketbook won't last that long.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Chances are some catastrophic natural event will happen long before that, like a supervolcano, meteor, or more likely the next part of the current ice age.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's rather extreme, more sedate would be consumers finally realizing that electric cars are not the future but actually the present.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'if they can make them cheaper, easy to power up and give me some more range then I'd buy one too'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, actually the Tesla has outsold all luxury cars in 2013 :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'minimum tag for the Tesla is 50K'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Well maybe in that class but for the average joe middle class person, it needs to get down a lot further. And not by subsidy, but by sheer innovation and market.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't mean in total, but individually :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'this country is broke, no more subsidies for stupid things like that'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the average joe is in love with stumping on the gas. Stumping doesn't do any good in electric cars.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though, the Tesla does a very respectable job from 0 to 60.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'inquiring minds want to know why we don't let the entire region, including israel, kill each other.  Until at least as many people die as the genocides in africa, we stay out of it'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Africans are too dark, Kojiro.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'My problem with this is that I dont have proof that Syrian leadership did this attack. After Iraq WMD, and the ongoing IRS scandal (still unchecked) its hard to trust information from the government about this type of thing. I'd prefer to see it and make the call.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's no money in Africa - Everyone wants everyone else to think that they have justice in their heart, but at the end of the day, if the price of gas stays below $5 a gal, let 'em burn'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'there is no court-acceptable proof that Syria did anything, November. All we have the word of people who want to go to war with Syria. So make a choice :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yea november i agree'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'SHOW US THE PROOF or stay out.  i'm cool with that'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Most types of self-serving evidence can be expected to be false.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Look I think its a moderate position to say, "we shouldnt tolerate chemical weapon attacks" ... but who ordered the attack?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'we don't even buy oil from the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that's the second question. The first question is "was there an attack?". Hard for me to testify since I wasn't there.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Then I choose to say, no war. No strike. Continue to talk it out and try to find a peaceful solution.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh i missed the talk on tesla?  darn.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Not Tesla, THE Tesla :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anaristos - telsa has NOT outsold ni 2013... that's way wrong'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'luxury cars, like porsche and mb top of line.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'minimum tesla taag is 71k after tax credit, not 50k'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '0/2 i see 1 more'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I visited a shop the other day and they were offering one for 50.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'outsold porsche, yes.  not MB'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm pretty sure that the Chevy Cavelier outsold all the porches'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it outsold the Tesla, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, for one thing, chevy cavalier is priced to be given away for free compared to the Tesla.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ankherhe: 'On the oil note, when the middle east isn't able to get oil out then prices everywhere go up.  Simple supply and demand.  Even if America didn't buy a drop of Middle Eastern oil the market would be able to charge a premium in the absence of nearly half the world's supply'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'agree tesla 0-60 time is good.  1/3.  0-100 not so good'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'bicycles outsold the Tesla, Vonliage. That was not the point. Inline skates probably did, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so what you are saying, then, is that there was a Tesla sold... big whoop'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's not exaclty "main stream"'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'umm you can buy a non-repairable title damaged tesla on ebay for 50k.  you can't buy a working tesla for 50k yet.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the Tesla is for the 'elite'... and democrats'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'everybody say hello to the tesla fanboy!'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Smiling, Not Guilty Kojiro greets SnailBot Anaristos warmly.
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ankherhe: 'would love a f- Tesla himself'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'let's talk about corperate grade jets... I have a Gulf Stream 5, and I am SOOOO ready to upgrade'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'd love a $90k luxury car too, if I didn't have to pay for it'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'does Telsa make an electric jet?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point of the discussion was electric cars. I mentioned that Teslas were popular enough. Indicating that there might be some hope for the future.  Of course, it may only be a fancy of the rich.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the future is probably electric cars.  so much infrastructure to piggyback on, i think elon is right about that'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they might not be electric, or at least not li-ion'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i mean might not be battery'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as long as people prefer to buy a cavalier over a prius, focus or whatever the GM version is called, we have no future.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ankherhe: 'Before Ford made it his mission to bring automobiles to the middle class, cars in general were a luxury.  Hell, 8Gig flash drives used to sell for upwards of a grand too'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the tech cost is coming down.  just takes time'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'tesla invested < $1B in R&D and has a $20B mkt cap company.  Nothing will spur innovation faster than that.  I 100% guarantee you.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'see... there you go pinning the entire future of the human race on an over-priced, over promoted tech that is owed completly to the tax payers and the liberal tree huggers.... "we have no hope unless we re-elect Obama for a third term"'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so i think you should be VERY optimistic about the future'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I agree. Also, when people see how well the Tesla functions they will have positive expectations for the average car.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"buy a Telsa!  It's the only hope for the future of the planet!"\'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or isn't that the point of why car companies support car races? To let people see how well their cars peform at the extremes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we need a government subsidy so EVERYONE can buy a Telsa... it's the only hope for the planet'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'buy a tefla they are slippery'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'supporting races is a waste of money to advertise to car people who would discover cars through other channels anyway'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's just one of myriad stupid things car companies do'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that might be true, but the exposure can't be denied.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ankherhe: 'Vonliege did you take out gov subsidized loans for your education? did you pay them back? Do students who take out gov loans for school owe their entire education to the gov?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I borrowed some money, work for most of it, though.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'If you qualify for food stamps, reduced lunches, or recieve any manner of GIVErnment support, you DESERVE a brand new Tesla... It's the only hope for the planet'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I only borrowed my first year. The job I got was good enough to serve the rest of the years.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'teslas are really priced for people who 1.  want the attention and 2.  have the money and want a luxury car in an HOV lane in a big city without having to carpool'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they have tons of service issues'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I spent 25 years in a foxhole for my college money.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'in 3 years will probably figure it out, but the service rpeutation is horrific.  And the interior is very shoddy compared to anything around its price point.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ankherhe: 'thank you for your service, but you're still a dick.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the company itself is prone to lying and half truths, even though they made a great product'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'kojiro, got any proof to back any of this up?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'mountains'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why, are you going to spank them for me?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they lie on their website in multiple places'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'ill take that as a no.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'their claim about 5.4 stores NHTSA crash rating is utter contrived bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'look i like their product, i respect them, i like elon.  i just call bullshit when i see and smell it.  just like i do here.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and there is a lot of bullshit over at tesla'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it works :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if the only basic difference is that one car doesn't burn gas, that's good enough for me.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '21 inch tires get more range than 19 inch tires?  First of all that's almost impossible.  And the only way they can make it barely possible is by running them bald in 4k miles with negative camber in the rear.  but they won't tell you that part.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and sure enough, customers getting blow outs and low pressur ewarnings check to see inside shoulders on their rears completely worn at 5k miles'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'enjoy dropping $4k on new tires every 4k miles.  there goes your gas savings.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and all the carbon it takes to make a tire... yuck'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh and 3 months to order a 60 kwh battery?  lol ninja please.  NO customer has waited more than 60 days to delivery since, like, march.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anyway, i'll stop here with miles to go and now you can take it as a yes.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well 4K might be steep. The question is question how much I spend on gas every 4K miles. The proposition might have merit.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '4k to replace those high performance tires.  it's actually more.  you gotta go through tesla so they fuck you up.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, they are not doing anything different from a lot of other companies, so that's complaint doesn't forward your case :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you probably buy electricity at 12c, which is probably about a third of what you pay for gas, so you might save $1300 a year on gas if you drive a lot.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my case is just they lie to their customers'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'see my point above :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and it's sad, because they don't have to.  the product is fantastic for a first try, even though it's a 7/10 on an absolute scale'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and how much do you save the environment? Or are you going to say that the tesla does as much damage to the environment as the gas fueled cars?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'GM doesn't falsely advertise safety ratings, nor does it falsely advertise high performance tires, nor does it lie about delivery times.  neither do other cmopanies.  so what's your point?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, GM is the paragon on integrity.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i haven't gone down that rabbit hole anaristos, so i don't know'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you are saying that they don't lie, so the must be a very ethical company :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i don't really care, so i haven't bothered to figure out who is right'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'easy to be unethical while telling the truth'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'somem say, depending how your grid makes electricity, a tesla is as dirty as ICE, even dirtier potentially'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point is that your complaints about Tesla can be applied to other car companies. My point is that the Tesla is the future, if not the present. So rather than condemn them for what they do, guide them to do the right thing as well as provide a product that is good for mother Earth.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but i don't know the carbon footprint of gasoline production.  anyway, i don't care to figure out who is right.  neither side is likely to have many converts because it's an emotional issue not rooted in analysis'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'tesla makes some decent cars'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i just told you the other companies don't like like tesla does'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'and im pretty sure they were top selling automaker of 2013'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol they were NOT'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'elon is like the media ring master i love it'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the Earth doesn't naturally burn processed petroleum as a matter of course. So while I can't claim that it is not  natural (since it can be done), it is not the best thing to do for the ecology.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'thats just what i've seen'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you've seen completely false info then'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'who was the top automaker?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'top earning auto maker'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'in other words, any carbon footprint from burning gas sucks :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'duh'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'pick anybody other than tesla and chrysler and a european...'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'who cares what cars are putting into the atmosphere look and china and tepcos monster 2 year plus fuckup'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't just my actions by what my neighbor does. I am responsible for my own actions. The same applies to companies. Just because China or Upper Volta does this or that does not justify what a US company may do.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so what do you drive'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'i drive a bike and bus'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't drive :) I haven't seen a road in a while :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what is producing the power for you to play aardwolf right now'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'god?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'something tells me it's not a littl ehydroelectirc generator on the creek in your backyard'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'cut your hair hippie :P'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and get a job'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'good point. I admit I am not devoted enough to turn feral in protest for the raping of the environment :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ya lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'sounds like you have no idea where your power comes form'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'heh rape lol'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so the concern about your impact on earth is... low.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I know where my power currently comes from. I also know that normally power for cities come from  burning fuel, those who are not (un)fortunate enough to exist near hydroelectric projects.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'first the white man raped the natives land and now they are raping mother natures enviroment'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so i'll ask again, where does it come from?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not at liberty to answer that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'im still going with god'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'lol, ok.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'or the friction from raping the enviroment'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ooo i like that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but it's ok to kidnap the sun with solar power, right?  or molest the water with tidal harness?'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'meh i gave that enviroment hoe some daterape and back eazy peaze'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the environment doesn't stand a chance because the current philosophy is that by the time what one does today reflects back, one will be dead.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'im all for global depopulation'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the environment will be fine, kid'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'excludes arson and allowing rods at nuclear plants to overheat, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ya just dont drink the future water cause china fucked that shit'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the environment will be fine as soon as the human race becomes extinct :) All it needs is a little rest :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'india and china aren't going to give a shit no matter what ok?  you need a free, rich, creative country like the US free to do whatever the fuck they need to do to invent shit that is both commercially viable and environmentally responsible.  that will happen with time.  until then, fuck it we're all dead anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'if earth feels like its dieing it will teraform'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it will rise up and kill everything like it did the dinosaurs'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, maybe it will get lucky and another comet will  strike. Though the closest encounter coming up is rather disappointing :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'those dinos man, all that methane clogging up the atmosphere.  earth just needed a reset'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'thats looking pretty good comet ison is coming'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the closest encounter will be in '26. Not close enough even for the item to light up.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'anristos, those of who are rich from fucking up the earth will buy protection from the comet, you will die, and we can go back to living it up in peace'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you haven't thought through this comet thing'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'nor the ensuing 200 year dust cloud of eternal darkness enveloping the earth and killing all the tree you hoped to save'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, as the K-P boundary event showed, money can't always buy safety :) Unless they ship outplanet, of course.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what's that keanu reeves alien movie where he wants to save the earth by destroying it?  i think anaristos was in it'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'hey, I watch the Earth get moody every day. Tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes. Money can't protect anyone from those if the Earth decides to get rid of people.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh god, you really aren't a very rational person, are you'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'though the US could build  better along the Atlantic coast :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i just wasted a lot of time.  and aren't you the one i had to teach last time about probabilism and the spaghetti monster refutation?  ugh.  never again.'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't think whether you think I am rational or not disturbs me, Kojiro. I are not on my list of qualified critics :>'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'You are not, rather :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'newbie channel gives life meaning, even if it is an odd meaning :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oops :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone notice Obama's dictat banning gun and munition imports?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tried to sneak that one under the net, didn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'warriors tend to do that, note berserk.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'interesting that Obama finds himself in this syria pickle'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'citicism over Bush's foreign escapades was a key point in Obama's campaign.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in other news, rainbows are now subject to a 25% "happy tax"'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damn those rainbow taxes, racist'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'what are rainbow taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Cameron would have licked Obama's arse and followed suit had he not realised the public would have kicked the shit out of him at the election in 2015'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a tax on straight people, Thiazzi'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'how does that work?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're not gay, you're a racist, and therefore must be taxed for the earth'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how it works, i'm not sure how else it can be explained'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sarcasm aside, i think you'll find vonliege was being equally sarcastic'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly a rainbow tax would only work in Ireland'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest reports suggest the chemical weapon attack in Syria was an accident perpetrated by rebels who didn't have appropriate training for chemical weapons sourced from Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't hold your breath for Obama talking about cruise missile strikes on Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'obama's election was a mistake perpetrated by a large sequence of 'low information voters' all hitting the wrong button in the voting booth.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but he's still president'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or people voting for what they perceived was the lesser of 2 evils, despite there being more than 2 options'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I really don't give a flip about syria anymore... that ship has sailed.  any initiative the world may have had in correcting the situation passed in the first 72 hours... anything that happens now will be like that guy on the price is right who looks and listens to the audience to see what his choice should be.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the window to help syria was screwed the second the west decided to arm/aim/train the jihadi's'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh please... it started WAY before THAT... it started with naked british agression and colonialism'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, French in this case, but yes, colonialism. We've stopped that since.... what's your excuse?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we're not done with out turn, yet'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'out = our'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you know i don't support foreign military adventures'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like I said... syria is yesterdays news... the only succesful incursion is the one that happens in the dark, and that doesn't make the news.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a bullet here, and over turned truck there... a few photos sent to the press at the right time... that's how you control the world'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'rockets and war planes are for the 30 second news bite... distractions and deflections.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what issues are your radar?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(if not Syria?)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the wise man will be watching what happens behind the rocket's red glare and bombs bursting in air.... what legislation will get slipped thru... what power will change hands in south america...  did the first dog get a new diet.... that sort of thing'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Obama did pass an order banning imports of foreign guns/ammo/parts'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the timing was a bit off, but there was a pretty big gun control law put in place last night...  targeting imports of foreign military surplus.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given he can regulate gun manufacturers in his own country, it's half of a defacto gun ban'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ditto'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I expect to see some quiet changes to the affordable helathcare act... softening of corners to placate large doners.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, it's a car crash in slow motion, that'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone in the UK could have told you that'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'corperate america, IF they are so all-powerful, would have stopped obama care some time ago.  It's going to be hell for them'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fact that it is still a possibility means that the banking/corperate machine is not so omnipotent.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporate america wants this, they don't care'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, the REAL skill would be taking the fear and loathing right up to the hairy edge before killing it... don't let a good crisis go to waste, and all that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Delta will be in for 140 million a year under obama care.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their management all have health insurance anyway, and the serfs can be cut to 30hrs to avoid it. The finance, insurance, and medical industrial complexes will basically be printing money with obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Delta are an airline, right?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the tickets go up'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real money and control is in the finance/medical industries'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banks, insurance, pharmaceuticals'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I though it was in military/industrial'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'military too, they're not affected by obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or was it orc/goblin... I forget'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bad guy is a bad guy'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the machine will go where it will.. .what ever label you pin on it this week.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'until people start shoving bars through the wheels to slow it down and eventually stop it'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or barricade their part of paradise out so the machine can't roll in'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not sure if a halted machine is the way to go... better to mess with the tracks and make it go where you want.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, bring that fucker down!'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and invite chaos and anarchy?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't have that many trigger fingers'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would it invite chaos and anarchy?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the military industrial complex doesn't operate on home turg'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts revs his engines at the corner of a rival gang's turf, looking to start a fight.
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'turf* even'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'FEMA, HLS, IRS... they all have giuns now... they are the domestic military machine.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need getting rid of (it'll reduce your deficit, too)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't necessary, any of them'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not likely to happen... sort of like your ears trying to get rid of your nose.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why on earth not? Get a decent libertarian in the white house and he can tear them down. IRS will be the least likely to go, but the others are dead easy'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and where did this defeatist attitude come from?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's less about "defeatism", and more about know what wall to beat your head against.  Rather than accept defeat, you look for a softer wall.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at present - any anti-big-givernment talk gets you labeld as a terrorist (and the chicken takers believe it).'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the chicken-takers need to see the liberals for what they are - slave masters for our age'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all a matter of branding'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sell it to the chicken takers as empowerment'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sell it to them in the guise of moving the base of power to their state'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'give them extra money if needbe'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reason that the chicken-taker party brands us as terrorists is because the "opposition" party doesn't want small government either, so isn't defending us'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might have heard this labelled as the left-right paradigm - both parties wanting essentially the samet hing'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's worth looking at the case of Joe Mendez in California'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.mintpressnews.com/witnesses-of-gas-attack-say-saudis-supplied-rebels-with-chemical-weapons/168135/'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sort of like supplying a liberal idealist with a presidency'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who is a liberal idealist?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... err.. duhhh... Obama?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he is not'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh.. sorry... he's a conservative hard lineer'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property."'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now measure Obama against that definition and see if you still think he is a liberal idealist?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conservatism is not an autonym of liberalism'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about "progresive idealist"  will that fit?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if by "progressive" you mean "bankrupt the country in order to centralise power and control in the hands of a handful of political and corporate elite"? then yes, though you could say the same of much of the GOP'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Ok.. how about I just say I don't like where he's leading the country, and I want things back they way they were before the new deal?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure, i totally understand that'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm no fan either'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you think I want the likes of Rand Paul and Ted Cruz to take over the GOP?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'libertarian republicanism, proper libertarian (true liberals, free markets) proper republicans (support the constitution, small government, states rights)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is why I now support UKIP in the UK, albeit they aren't libertarians, but are the closest we have'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ack, zombies are after my bacon!'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allegedly, VA psychiatric evaluators (which allegedly regular evaluations are mandatory) are being paid $3000 per veteran that they are able to dispossess of guns by passing them as medically unfit'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'source?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGp8g14zzBk http://tinyurl.com/oan4ozy http://tinyurl.com/ckbhb6 http://tinyurl.com/cqhzwc http://tinyurl.com/on3h7s2 http://tinyurl.com/njrluqm http://tinyurl.com/bw4sake http://tinyurl.com/ogb53cy http://tinyurl.com/yfxrgyy'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit of context for you with it'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the worst offenders seem to be NYC'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the command bases of the fake authoritarian liberals'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... I get the context... but consider - Just because you are a veteran (and I am), doesn't mean that you shouldn't ever be determined to be whacko'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'still looking for the $3K payoff part'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interview'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'best sales tactic for guns and ammo... threaten regulation'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only 5 minutes into it'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hang on, there's a transcript of the part somewhere, sec'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i should say that i did say allegedly, but i wouldn't be at all surprised - doctors get kickbacks for prescribing certain pharma products, escpecially SSRi's, since they're addictive'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the payoff part would be low... but the truth is that alot of veterans are plain crazy'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and most are not'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and... it's an easily identifiable group... easy target'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't justify it'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it is "low hanging fruit"'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no.. no it does not'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still doesn't justify it :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but it makes it understandable... you don't have to agree with something to understand it'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and don't confuse "understandable" with "reasonable"'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like many do'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am always bothered when someone say "that's understandable" and the inference is that they "agree" with it... I would like to have the option to say "that's understandable", but not be counted as someone who agrees, just because they inderstand'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try a more succinct phrase'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or caveat it inline'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't want another phrase... I want THAT one.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can use it, but it's subject to misinterpretation'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like the word "niggardly"... has nothing to so with black people, but it'll get you fired quicker'n you can blink'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oh oh oh... here's a good one - Irregardless.... no such word'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if it were, it'd be like a double negative.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's understandable that Hitler wanted to gas 6 million Jews. you try getting away with that'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'funny... I was going to use that example... didn't wanna derail the debate, though'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and yes... it IS understandable - and so very very evil'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm forever trying to learn better ways of getting my point across that captures the nuances of my opinion and reasoning, but I always fail'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'text is a pretty big handicap, too'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, wasn't a transcript, was just excerpts'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which won't satisfy you because of the possibility of being taken out of context :-)'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'phrasing aside, there does appear to be a trend that, as many predicted, Obama's administration and supporting lackeys would use medical tyranny to disarm people where getting laws passed failed'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are way too many examples for it to be mere mistakes and coincidence'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, UK is looking like another housing bubble/crash'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also in better news, stock markets around the world fell today'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'another 30 billion barrel shale deposit of oil was found in west texas.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did someone lose it, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, about 60 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty careless of them'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more oil you won't be able to use'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that brings the total to about 12 shale deposits in Texas so far or about 150 billion barrels.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's all well and good, but it's useless unless you can get rid of Al Gore and the corporate envirofascists'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is also now the 14th largest oil producer in the world, if Texas was its own country....we passed Norway.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algore has no say on Texas'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while texas is part of the united states, he has a say'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, not at all.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we booted the last environmentalist out of the state last week.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you didn't notice, Obama gave the DEA the ability to classify CO2 as a pollutant, and therefore regulate it without congressional approval very recently'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the DEA doesnt enforce environmental laws.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EPA?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, EPA'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all alphabet soup to me, we have real department names here'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either way, was done without a vote'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the EPA is thinking of bringing back limited use of DDT in some states, such as Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to help control the mosquito problem.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how many patriots will it kill or seriously injure?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'How does it affect the price of bacon ?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the football team ?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're not supposed to talk about such things, we're only supposed to talk about Miley Cyrus's inadequate breasts, ugly costume, and who'll win the soccer tomorrow'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything else and you're a terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe, Ted Nugents wife was stopped at the airport for having a concealed handgun in her purse.....could face a fine of up to $2000'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poor old uncle ted'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kinda surprised the dallas TSA actually found the gun....'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that bad, are they?'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, she is a hottie....'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're usually just there to touch people up'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they hire paedophiles, narcissists,  and thieves especially'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kids of politicians then.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sort of thing, yeah'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and those too intelligent to be cops'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'expect 40% smaller pork harvest next year.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't get pork from the uSA, so i'm not bothered'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope not cc, or sysco....hate sysco.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) KeetenEatr Delerious: 'Sysco isn't worth the scrabble letters it hold. They're bunk. As is US foods.'
T3/r7/2013-08-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but they do use electricity, via generators.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'In what way is requiring voters to present some form of picture ID racist?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'who says it is?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'democratic legislators'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'siting that a dis-proportionate number of minorities do not have any form of ID'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ah'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's just too many instances of voters going from poll to poll voting for their fav candidate.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a woman in Atlanta was on the news several months ago bragging that she had voted 26 times.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'clever enough to pull that scam but not bright enough to keep her yap shut?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'she said she was part of a bus full of people that were all doing the same thing... the bus hauled 30 or so people (I forget) from poll to poll.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in a population center like ATL, I can see where that would be effective'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'voter ID is not unreasonable'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I tend to be center/left generally, but I really don't see why people shouldn't identify themselves when exercising their franchise.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if for no other reason - as a form of fraud reduction'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Can't argue that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'In 2000 (the "hanging chad election"), my military absentee vote was not counted because I didn't include a photocopy of my military ID... A rule they made up AFTER election day.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fear being that there would be some millions of magically appearing absentee votes to tip the election.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ergo - if the vote didn't include some form of ID, it wasn't counted (none of them included such)'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the rule is that military absentee votes don't get counted anyway unless there is a chance that they could decide the election.. which in FL that year was a very real possibility.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the ID rule has since disappeared.. not sure how or why.  The rule was one of the main reasons that a Military ID (CAC) no longer has your SSN on it.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... _A_ reason... probobly not a _main_ reaosn.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'people go to apple stores opening. by plane. from another side of the world. some have visited 30-50 openings. wtf.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'it looks worse than old Kim's death celebrations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdkeMpN8hOI'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'at 5:00'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe they are hoping that the next device apple releases actually will be good.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'eh. sometimes i just wonder how people can do these kins of things.. so crazy. there must be something in the water or something'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's what happens in cults.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'one minion told "when Steve talks then everybody listens becaus he really tells you what you would like to do"'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Apple devices are nice for people that don't know a lot about tech, and want something that just works if you want to do things they way steve decided you want.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'E.g. your mom.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Healthy" school lunches are ending up in the trash - kids won't eat them.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Children on free lunch should not have a choice - If they take a tray, they will eat the food.  If they don't take the tray, I don't have to pay for it'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so Obama has decided not to decide, and instead, has sent the decision to congress... that's new'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it's exactly the right call'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like I said.. it's new.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nobody wants to be left holding the blame bag when it inevitably goes to hell'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'congress won't even start discussing it untill the 9th'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the reason the president HAS the authority is so that he can be _decisive_'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'hi'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he needs to man up and make a decision.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes or no.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'no, absolutely wrong, vonliege'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'd be ok with either one... but for god sake - be a man'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the president should only do that if the US is under immediate attack'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'otherwise the congress should decide that, not the president.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it's in black and white in the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'look at the precedent... Reagan, Bush (x2) clinton....'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'just hasn't been followed effectively since WWII, and it's been a disaster every single time the President basically engaged in warfare without congressional declaration, because we then have no strategy'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'well this time there is a country with weapons of mass destruction and used it. what's the US going to do? =)'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and ultimately you end up with people split on whether the war is a worthwhile cause'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Forget the precedent. Look at this: http://tinyurl.com/boszxoe'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now, the cirus will whack it around congress and not make a decision... makes us ALL look like clowns'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Obama said [Don't you use those chemicals, or ELSE!]... so they used the chemicals, and Obama says [let me get back to you]'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'don't let me down play the victim's lives, because it is tragic - but more people have died in collateral damage from our war in Iraq than in this "attack".  And similar results would be expected in Syria.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps it's the definition of "collateral damage" that's been skewed.... It doesn't do much good to 'liberate' people if you end up killing some of them... on the other hand, the average German worker was a fair target during WWII'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'that's just it though.  In war you've got clear goals - disable/destroy the state that threatens you.  Most conflicts of late aren't about destroying a country, but trying to change the regime in charge.  That's not something you solve by simply dropping in guns and tanks.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'Plenty of countries have changed regimes via guns'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and in this particular case, let's face it - the opposition to Syria's government is a bunch of religious jihadist types.  It's really NOT in America's interests to support that regime change.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which is why I don't really have a position on go or no-go.... just make a decision.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you [Obama] made a threat... not congress... now deal with the decision'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'he did.  He decided there wasn't an immediate threat that justified bypassing congress.  I think he's correct.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and what will congress do?  not 'how will they side', but what will be the process?  will they have to go to the voters for a referendum on who they vote?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will the president ultimatly have to turn to the UN for a decision?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'will little timmy ever get out of the well?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'that's up to each congressman.  Maybe it'll force them to actually think about the situation and vote their conscious rather than reading from the party teleprompter.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'conscience, even'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the point is if congress authorizes it, then they also take responsibility to budget and pay for it.  No more running up trillions of dollars in expenses and then blaming Congress for not being able to work out the numbers.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and again, it's in the constitution.  The congress is more proportionally representative of the people, and better reflects their will than the opinion of a single, executive figure.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'on what planet? Obama was elected by 5%, Senate by majority, House by MINOTITY! Am,ericans wanted Dems'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'now, I'd certainly agree Obama let his rhetoric get ahead of him by speaking of the certainty of dire consequences should Assad, or any regime, use banned weapons.  It would really be in the US's best interest to work with the UN security council and not opposed to it - a truly international force has a much better of bringing peace to the 2 year war going on in that country than us charging in there with the reputation we've already acquired for tearing up middle eastern countries.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Whig: Obama's 100% democrat.  The congress, much like the American people, is more of a 50-50 split.  (independent vote aside, which is an important but different discussion)'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'clan hehe'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'hang on, cleaning egg off face now'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): ElFeneri fluffles Taokan's fur mercilessly.
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'How different? You said Congress better represented the American People, but they do not! American voted Dem in both houses, but gerimandering allowed Repubs to hold the House while getting a minority of votes'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'congress certainly has it's representation issues (what percentage of congress is green?  libertarian?  Athiest?  Women?).  But it's more representative than simply taking the opinion of the President and letting that decide war/no-war'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'LOL. Except for that sneeaky Constitution, which gives the President that decision, while 'consulting with Congress' not giving them the vote. '
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Do not misunderstand me. I think Obama should decide to have Congress vote. That way they must take responsibility too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'instead of criticizing Obama NO MATTER his decision they must support him or not an take responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think that no matter what happens, if you count the number of lives, the difference will be small whether US will drop bombs or not. It will just change the faces of those that will do the dieing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'many years ago the UN voted to always intervene if a country used WMD's. Now their internal politics are stopping them from following that rational decision. Obama definitely needs to challenge them on this. If we all go back to 'as long as its not us' decision making ..... well, you musta read a history of WW1 and WW2.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'problem with UN is that they are usually quite incapable of acting due to the veto right int he security councel.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I agree we need allies, but this is very dangerous to ignore.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if is dangerous to act as well without the consent of the allies or own population'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I know that Elf, but we must still call them on it, publically.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I don't know. As long as it does not boil down to that you have to act because Obama was speaking about crossing a line.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'killing ppl shouldn't be done to save your own face or to tear the "paper tiger".'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'So for you its just about who is the President? This is something I would certainly have to support from GWB. This is both a commitment and a VERY dangerous thing to ignore. If Assad is losing, do you not think he will give these weapons to factions who support him to use for terror?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Assad has no intention of losing or he would have left his position long ago. He'll probably fight until he's killed or his army incapacitated.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that will be expensive in many aspects'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'and the president, regardless of who, is the one with all the available info and the Constutional mandate to decide'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Conservative need to get over their 'Obama Derangement Syndrom' and think about real issues'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I think in front of the right folks on the security council, the US government needs to share its intelligence on this matter.  Either we have a compelling case that Assad used WMDs, or we don't.  Right now, publicly, Russia is not convinced.  And after Iraq, a number of US folks are skeptical, too.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I agree Taoken, but Russia disagrees only because of Putin refusing to acknowledge what even the UN inspectors know. He does not WANT to agree with the USA'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'in the light of some recent bombings in other countries it's quite understanable that there is some sceptisism. Cards on the table, then bomb, or don't bomb.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'scepticism*'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'we set a far more dangerous precident than a dictator using some chem weapons on his own people, every time we opt to ignore the UN security council and engage in warfare that is not globally sanctioned.  We're basically challenging the world to stop us.  And if ever one day they get ballsy enough to say NO, it's gonna be two nuclear nations in opposition, and that just might be cataclysm.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'So Putin may never agree no matter the evidence. Besides, Assad buys mostly Russian weapons .... so like many USA decisions, he may have economic reasons to support Assad'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Of course Putin has economic reasons to support Assad'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I wonder if Obama will return the peace price now that he has decided to start a new war.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'It was a joke to give him one originally for doing nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yup.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Stupid norwegians.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'That whole commission is a joke. I can find a Nobel Peace Prize in my cereal box tomorrow morning. Its that valuable.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, he did promise to stop the war in iraq and close guantanamo. Not that he did any of that.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'You can win a cracker-jack box Nobel Peace Prize just by talking about it, apparently. From a teleprompter no doubt.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's still a million dollar price, I think... but I don't eat cereal :('
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'All fluff. He has absolutely no idea how to run the US government. He loves being the head of state though. *slaps forehead* America, you can do better.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just wonder what the purpose will be with an attack on syria... newsreporters here seem confused. Killing people to show that killing is wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Dunno about that, Nov, just know that he's a mass murdering terrorist, just like all US presidents post truman.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'wtf is syria? anyone from there speak up'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'please, i'd like to know wtf is happening'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Well theres over 100,000 people dead now there in a bloody civil war.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'anyone from syria pls'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'The smart ones, 1.7 million of them left when it got ugly.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you dont know what syria is'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its a pawn right? its a way for the soviets to target the capitalist? '
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Well at least Congress will debate it now. Apparently no rush either. At least with Congress, because he has an opposition party in charge of the House - there will be questioning, debate, and critical examination of the evidence.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Maybe a year or so and they will have an answer for Obama. But not after the 14' elections.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just have a sense of deja vu, just as with the attack on iraq. '
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'which attack on iraq?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'help history'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ask the googles.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'its still some war between usa and ussr maybe? '
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i dont even know where syria is though tbh'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Can you find the US on a world map?'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'BTW, the iraq war is not a proxy war, it's a war to keep control of oil. Syria is kind of an exception, imo, most other wars the US are doing in the middle east is to keep control of oil. I don't know why they want to go to war in syria, but I bet the reason is notto protect people from chemical weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-08-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, if you look at US foreign policy since the Reagan admin. and what it is based on you will understand that Syria has been the target all along. Syria has been the only concern of the US in the ME as far a offering some sort of military challenge in the region. The foreign policy has been designed to neutralize Syria. To this purpose ( along with the control of oil as a bonus) Iraq was engaged. I think I mentioned that research the position papers from the Heritage Foundation ( a think tank that drove the Reagan policy making) would be very enlightening.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hmmm... and all of that with the purpose of winning the cold war then, I suppose.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It just hurts my soul to hear obama talking about assad killing children, while at the same time sending drones into pakistan and afghanistan killing thousands...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'war is hell...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but not too bad is you are just sending troops :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, I wouldn't call the unmanned drones part of a war. It's just terrorism. Of course, war is the ultimate terrorism...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'machines are used when controlling the territory is not the goal. So I guess "terrorism" is an apt  label.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'since most wars today are urban in nature you must use humans to control the territory, mainly because only the territory occupied by a troop is controlled.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the minute the soldier walks away control is lost :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's always been true. In Sweden, we learned that lesson in the 1600s. '
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mojojojo: 'hello great debators'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a change to normally advertised subjects, the world's oldest known wild bear has died in Minnesota age 39'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what's the age multiplier for bears?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea, it's almost certainly not comparable'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a typical Obama supporter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF0IhyAasWw'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eu plans tabled to fit all cars with speed limiters that automatically limit according to the speed limit'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like another good reason in a long list of good reasons for UK to leave the EU'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if people want to kill themselves and take a few with them by driving at dangerously high speeds, who should meddle? :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The EU cannot make laws, it's up to each country to do. I doubt many countries would adapt such a law.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when did the UK join the EU? I thought they stayed out.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't join the single currency, but we are part of the EU and subject to all their shite'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The UK was one of the founders iirc'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the UK doesn't consider itself European :) Which make sense since their ancestors landed at Stonehenge :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Most european countries are not in the EU'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most geographically european countries are in the EU'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, but that's beside the point as far as the UK  is concerned.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Geographically european?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't care what it's called, a union of countries with different economic, geographical, and social issues is always to fall on it's face'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I doubt if a human species developed independently there, so...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'physically on the european plate, ranrr?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am sure that the British Isles are part of the continental shelf.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was someone suggesting they they're not?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There are 48 countries in europe, of which 27 are in EU. So, I guess a majority is in the EU, but just barely.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so they are in Europe.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that 48 includes non-countries like the Vatican City, Monaco and Angola'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Vatican City is a country :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'plus, America keeps going around bombing shit causing countries to fracture into smaller ones'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'In your opinion, non-countries.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '28 states are members of EU.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of this notwithstanding, the EU is a failed experiment, and way outside the bounds of how it was sold to the british public, which was a as a free-trade area'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so what do you consider a country then?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody was ever told that it was going to be a political union'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Didn't the UK join when it was the coal and steel union?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Angola Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the Vatican City is more of a country than most since they don't owe money to any other country those  validating their sovereignty.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not angola, andorra'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Imo, the free trade part of EU works pretty well. It's the rest that is broken, like the EMU.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can't be sovereign and owe money :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the default score is set to favor the class of the wearer.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed, Ranrr, if you asked all the euro-sceptic british people if they wanted to be part of the free trade area, but not part of a political union, they'd be happy with that'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Same for sweden.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the British would join if they could rule the EU :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hope you all got to see the youtube of the stereotypical Obama supporter earlier'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I curious to know why you people didn't pick on the GW, he was by far worse.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well for one, we did, for two, far worse at what, exactly?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, I don't know. Iraq, Afghanistan, the collapse of the banking system, gee, little things like that.  Oh, Enron, Halliburton...  minor stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I won't even put 9/11 on the plate :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the banking system collapse started with Clinton, absolutely on Iraq and Afghanistan'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I personally give Obama's lot a hard time about this, because they got elected promising to do exactly the opposite of what they then went on to do'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, no, don't blame it on Clinton. Whatever Clinton did, he left a surplus in the treasury, surplus which the Bush proceeded to blow in months.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you vote for GWB and a neocon ticket, sure bitch about it, but that's what it says on the tin'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Anaristos, Clinton oversaw the removal of all the protections in the financial services industry that were preventing exactly the things that then caused the collapse'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he is exactly to blame for it'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the rest went along with it because they are bought off by the same vested interests in the corporate banking machine'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, sorry. Both bushes were great presidents. What was I thinking about. I wish they could be presidents again.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Alternatively, Clinton was president during a pleasant boom period, and all he had to do to get a budget surplus was twiddle his thumbs, or whatever else he preferred to twiddle.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Iraq feels the same way. They wish The GW could be in the White House again. The need their population trimmed just a little bit more.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about everyone kicks these interests out of your parties and revert them back to what they're supposed to be about?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not my parties :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Warning! TN is a right-wing strawman producer who will always try to blame Clinton of Obama for the crap the Right pulled. For example, the removal of Glass-Steigal [right wing talking point] was PART of an agreement Clinton had with CONSERVATIVES, for which he got much to make the economy run, but conservatives insisted on repeal, not Clinton'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am not a partisan :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so..what did Clinton get out of the bargain?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when the little Bush took office US average price for 1 gallon of gasoline was 1.429...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zade been changing his name again?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and for some reason Zapata  Oil made a killing during his presidency...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'GS is a strawman, conservatives did the bidding of bankers and allowed them [demanded their freedom to manipulate the debt] then tried to, as usual, blame Dems'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure he was an innocent.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Clinton got internal infrastructure spending, and wage supposrt to PAY DOWN THE DEFICIT, which R's did NOT want'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when did it start being federal policy to take the small-business contract budget and hand it to fortune 500 companies?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I am certain you remmeber that at the end of Clinton's watch deficit was actually surplus!'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, that was a shame, imagine the nerve of that man actually balancing the budget. What a jerk!'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'But I, who am very non-wealthy, was offered an 'opportunity to buy a house, which [according to the bank] I could afford in the long run. Luckily I was by myself, so i did not have a family to find housing in a high rent market. I could not be sold'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a good idea for you then, whig, what we'll do is tighten the building regs up, restrict the supply of land, and ensure that plenty of immigrants come in so that the price of houses inflates vastly ahead of wages. See how that helps you buy a house?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Those houses were sold by banks, who wanted to manipulate the debt, and did NOT want you to own it.... wanted the defaults'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banks are still stealing properties that don't belong with them - there's a big scam going on in the US with mortgage titles right now'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'THAT was catastrophe. And it was conservatives, not libs, who insisted on 'no regualation by 'evil big government''
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there -are- no libs in government'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with the possible exception of Ted Cruz and Rand Paul'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'wow, Ted Cruz. Scary man.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scarier than someone who allows unfettered spying without warrants, deathsquads, war without congressional approval?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ain't ever gonna get perfect.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oh, so you are not going to blame the bush for that either? Amazing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's as guilty, but he's also not in charge'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Obama  has allowed it, but he didn't start it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'or have you forgotten who rammed the patriot act through congress?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GWB has no power to fix any of this'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'conservative NEVER EVER admit when they are wrong. They change the topic, blame the messanger, attack the victims or invent a strawman, but NEVER EVER admit when thwey are wrong'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, the poor fellow.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so let's get this straight, in the face of something that has been badly wrong for 13 years, your solution is not "get the people in charge to sort it out", but "blame the people who started it and let the current people continue to make the same mistakes"'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I blame Tony Blair for Iraq, but he can't do anything about it now, I have to deal with the bankers in charge now'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, but all I hear is Obama this and Obama that. While bush was sticking a broom up the US's ass, everyone was looking the other way.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Strawman!'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the contrary, Anaristos, they were saying the same things, but what you have is a partisan country of deluded sheep. When GWB was in charge, the political left were crying foul. As soon as Obama gets in they go to sleep so gets a parse continuing all the crap that GWB started'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'as far as I am concerned Bush should be tries  for  crimes against humanity.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he should'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Blair with him'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but retribution is a long way down my l ist of things that need doing as a matter of urgency'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'conservative cannot get past 'Obama Derangement Syndrome' to actually look at facts. That lost to the ni ...ni.... ni..., well you know. They lost TWICE, and they cannot swallow their gall enough to work with the man Americans elected'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'come back when you get a liberal in charge of the democrats, Whig'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, you should have elected the Mittens, he would have been a great president, I am sure. Even if he didn't make any bones about who he was going to help.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'for example, infrastructure spending, which both sides know we need desperately, but R's actually publically said 'we cannot give Obama this victory' so they oppose it! Obama Derangement Syndrome, in full force'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'They claim they hate government, yet fight like madmen to be elected to it. '
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have nothing against infrastructure spending, depending on the spending, for example several billion spent on social housing here would be great. Spending $60bn on a high speed rail line that benefits only the corporate fascists themselves, when most of the money will go to their croney paymasters in terms of offshore contracts, is a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'but you don't mind a war that benifts Halliberton :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'how about rebuilding highways, bridges etc, which helps rich and poor alike?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only purpose of modern warfare is for the bottom line of the military industrial complex'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when have you ever seen me supporting war?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I'd rather have 60B spent on a highspeed rail, no matter who gets to use it. Than 600B on a war.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather the 60bn spent on social housing, or failing that, not raising the deficit'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'roads and bridges i don't have an issue for, however in the states you could consider those both something that should be done through the states and not at a federal level'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless it's an interstate'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the gw blew the roof off the deficit ceiling and the cronies left behind in congress want to make sure the roof stays off.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but begs the question - i bet were there huge contracts it would go to multi-nationals whereas what you want is small and medium sized businesses getting those contracts, even if it means paying more for them'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'the reason most of the World are reluctant to support Obama in Syria is because of Bush outright lying about Iraq. Now, do you think there are WMD's in Syria? Do you think they are being used? Is Obama lying about it? Has not the World, for 90 years, promised to support this very thing?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'No, no, personally? no he's only being told by the MIC, what sort of thing?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, if the middle tier got involved there would be no crisis. The crisis stems from the vacuuming the upper tier is engaged in. They are determined to strip this country bare.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Use of chemical weapons, after the gas weapons used in WW1'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'precisely, anaristos, and that vacuuming is independant of political party, and to a large degree, of political ideology'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sure, I agree.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something Whig doesn't see because he's an arch-communist'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): SnailBot Anaristos goes, "Heh."
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why if you say anything which is politically right of Mao Zedong, he calls you a right wing strawman'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, radicals come in all flavors, the extreme right and the extreme left meet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'brb, RL intervenes'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'need to shove the term "radical" and "extremist" up Al Sharpton's arse. Painting everything that anyone thinks or does that isn't accordance with the agenda of those same corporatists that you hate as radical or extremist is one of the things that allows them to continue to get away with what they do'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama's managed to buy himself a one-way panning from the mainstream press now, since he's backpedalled some'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll learn him'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I used to think the the lack of shame was the root of our current 'entitlement' problems in the US...  Now I realize - It's 'hunger'.  What we need is a little hunger.  Both metephorical and literal.  Nothing like a little hunger to motivate progress and productivity.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not starvation, mind you... just a hint of hunger.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I volunteered at my daughter's middle school cafeteria for a couple days last week.  In this school, 61% of the children are on free lunch (I know this, because it means the school gets "Title One" funding").  I know plenty of my childs class mates, and who's who in the town, so it was a reasonably simple task to determine the children on the free lunch (there used to be a special color meal card for them, but can't have that shame, now... can we?).... '
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'nothing wrong with free food :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I was not entirly suprised to surmise that of the children bringing their trays to me for dumping, there was A LOT more 'free lunch' kids bringing their trays to me with nothing touched but the cookie.  Where as the children who's parents were paying for their lunch, while not spotless, were at least mostly eaten.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the children with the free lunch had no appreciation for the food, and apparently were not all THAT hungry... they threw away most of their food'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT'S what wrong with free food'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'People in the US can afford to waste food because most of them don't know how the food is mass produced.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'given the current economy, I beg to differ... we CAN NOT afford to waste anything.  Especially food that my tax dollars are paying for.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'I consider tax money, lost money lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'the government takeith and i move on with my life'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and now, there is free breakfast, AND a substantial snack on the way out the door.  The premis is that these children are not being fed at home, so it is the institutions responsibility to do so.  This is a falsehood.  Unless you are going to force feed the children nutrition while you have them at school, you are just pissing in the wind... they will wait until they get home and eat the hot pockets and pizza rolls'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'if they ever put it to good use, then great, otherwise its going into someone's pocket or military'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how do you mean "military"?  you mean the soldiers are putting it into their pockets?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'not at all, i mean funding the country's military'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we give them food to take home for the weekends.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so then when you say "someone's pockets", you mean "someone's pockets" AND "someone else's" pockets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'of course there are weapons and defense contracts as well'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'someone else's pocket'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hunger... someone who is healthy, yet non-productive should be provided just enough to keep from starving or freezing to death... poverty means poverty, and unless you allow the insentive to get our of poverty to exist, the number of people on entitlement programs will grow and grow.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'remember the big Wall Street "bail out"? that's in someone else's pocket'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indirectly... I was for lettig the banks fail, myself.  It would have been horrific, and I would have lost a fair amount of money, but the natural order would have recovered itself, and things would have been as they should - the weak will have perished, and the strong will carry on.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but rather, in the US, we prop up the weak - encourage them to re-produce... If we would just let them be hungry, maybe they'd do something about finding some food, rather than fornicating and re-producing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we haven't actually left the natural order.  Nobody really wants to hear that things are just this harsh naturally, though, so they pretend that some evil bastard royally fucked everyone's shit up and now we have to choose the lesser of two evils just to stay worse off than we were before.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my wife, this year in her 6th grade classroom, has three children with the same father, and different monthers... last year, she had FOUR children by the same father and different mothers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'kudos to the father...'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're called baby mamas and accidents'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and and this year, she has a fifth child by that same father, and yet another mother.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you better hope that your wife doesn't meet those fathers'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so here's the question then, what can you do about situations like that?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than use that massive government propaganda machine to make it socially unacceptable to have more than 2 kids'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's practically as sacred an institution in black culture as wife is.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '"Those fathers" are the breeders down in the ghetto.  Mothers TRY to have babies by aws many different fathers as they can, because having a baby by a man confers a small amount of protection, and provision.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well hans, you have some supporters of that cause in funny places, Pastor Manning was decrying black 'fathers' in his sermon recently'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many black wives, in fact, have no real problems with baby mamas, but as soon as they hear about their men taking a bottom bitch out come the knives.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG:  My solution is to stop doing ANYTHING... stop feeding them - stop housing them - stop giving them phones and TVs and heat and A/C and cable.... let them place survival a little higher up on their priotiy list.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'let's just stop helping the poor un-Americans.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop feeding who?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'again.. like I opened this discusion... I am not saying to starve anyone... just let them be hungry'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Germanium: 'US helps out other countries more than they help out their own people lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'like the mama bird does when she want's to clear out the next... she starts plucking the soft stuff out to make the nest less comfortable.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'eventually, the baby chicks say "to hell with this" and strike out on their own.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's get real, you can't just unfund them in a blanket ban as it'll screw the kids'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'our poor are vastly more well-off than their poor.  They could be practically upper middle-class if we just diverted funds from out to in.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't steralise the men'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you have to get clever'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think, for the UK, limiting all welfare to 2 kids is the way to start (with caveats for multi-births and for adoptees)'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is VERY real, TG... you can't... and noone is going to de-fund them even a little bit.  So it's a moot point.  The poor will eventually overrun and consume the entire planet.  Not being sarcastic there.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you have to apply enforced payments by errant parents, backed up by time in a work-fare prison'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'sure we can.  We've already dosed everyone with boobs in America with rocket fuel and worse, and it's so pervasive that it shows up in the non-boob alternatives in equal amounts.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think it can be dangerous to have a society where there are too big gaps between those that have and those that don't have. You find yourself in a situation where the poor will steal to get out of their hopeless situation. Quick fix can be tempting.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a difference between the poor who are in a hopeless situation because of life, and those poor who are in a hopeless situation because of their own stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone who has 5 kids by different women does not fall into the former'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'TG:  I would say that the majority of poor are the latter.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'stupid AND lazy'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's patently barbaric to make someone drink rocket fuel, but nobody realizes that they've been doing so for the last 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't, VL'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it depends on your definition of poor, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'Most poor people are in fact neither stupid or lazy. They just weren't born with an economic silver spoon. Imagine you were unlucky enough tobe one of those 5 children, and all you ever observed was mediocrity from your immediate family. The odds are stacked higher against a smart poor kid than an ignorant privledged kid.'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'do you mean a "stupid priveleged kid"?'
T3/r7/2013-09-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'It seems I made a typo, but that's not a counter point. However, "stupid" is not the word I would use either. '
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pfft'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wardrums continue'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'administrations across the west are hoping that if they push the propaganda hard enough, the public will change their mind'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Its possible Obama is only doing this for political gains in 14'. Sad, a war just so you can win back power to push your stupid laws on Americans who don't want them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I hate to say this in any context - but I agree with Putin.  Show us the damn evidence, before you even think to argue we need to go to war.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): November is agreeing with that Taokan person again...
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, would be nice to not have to buy oil from opec nations....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'it would be nice if electric cars were cheaper. :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps in 30 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, where would you get the electricity to power them? :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'from natgas most likely, and coal :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'would be nice if pixies were real, and cooked up like T-Bones'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electric cars will always be shit'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i agree with Taokan'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The US currently uses around 18 million barrels of oil per day, and produces 7.5 million....in about 5 years we will be producing about 10 million barrels.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(if not stopped by the administration, Riz)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Yeah, politics can interfere on that one. Like, no pipeline.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We could also convert natgas into 5 million barrels of methanol or gasoline and reduce imports to only 3m per day...1.5 million each from canada and mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thus removing opec from north america.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'We're almost there, only 25% imported from them. '
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Once again while listening to the conservartives masturbate each other I feel a slight need to add a little glimmer. Oil produced in USA is sold on the World market. It make NO difference at all to our fantacized 'energy independence'.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Most oil in America comes from Canada and Mexico (what we dont pump ourselves)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'so at least quit telling each other THAT lie'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could care less about price, I am talking about supply...if I had my way, oil in the US would sell for $150 per barrel....to benefit Texas and Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'if people really do car about the environment we'd be using less fuel oil by now lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Well, if your exports exceed your imports and you prohibit import of oil ....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'except when companies are exportings jobs away lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'You really do not listen, do you? Oil companies do not WANT anyone to be oil independant, least of all the USA. They would not be able to hold them up for exhobitant prices if they were. Exxon is NOT an American corporation, it is a corporation. Learn something'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'energy production on federal lands is down 50% in the last 8 years, while increasing on private lands.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'back to leveling'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that is true Whig. Oil companies do have a ridiculous stronghold.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electric cars are the most polluting of all'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas will be doubling oil production in the next 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'north dakota will triple production in 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if allowed, riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'how so? when electricity just can be created from water?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'feds have nothing to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it cannot just be created from water'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has already increased production 1 million barrels a day in the last 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'If you use a lot of electricty, you can create electricty from water!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) November: 'Whig, I don't know what you're even referring to. I never claimed energy independence as a goal. Just by exporting more oil, the US economy would improve so it isn't as dependent upon the economies and political situations happening in unstable parts of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the green lobby will tax that oil production so heavily it won't be competitive'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Al Gore/Obama gets his way'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the green lobby is about 8% of the voting public. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you understand, Riz, the public don't get a say'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'all you need to convert downfall water, winds, etc into electricity is something called a turbine.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'And how do you do that inside a car?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'it's called energy conversion'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the green lobby  attach themselves to the corporate interests that run the two dominant parties. If you vote, and you vote for one of the two parties, you'll get the green lobby stapled on'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's nonsense Bohr'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1. green energy is a tiny minority. 2. It cannot be cleanly and efficiently stored. 3 1+2'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'once the electricity is there, you can now power up your car.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'So all we have to do is park our cars beside a river every night, and hook the battery up to a turbine'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'yes tiger, storing electricity is possible with something called battery cells.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which are incredibly polluting and not very good'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they also have limited lifespan, limited capacity, and cannot be recharged quickly'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'no electrictiy can travel from places to place using a conductor or commonly called wires.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your best bet at a green car is HYDROGEN'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that makes you dependant on a grid'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fuel cells rule.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'run a methanol fuel cell car.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need cars to run on something liquid or gaseous that is pumpable'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hydrogen is farmed using fossil fuels'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'the only problem with hydrogen is that it is explosive.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydrogen does not need to be farmed using fossil fuels'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'can convert all carbon sources into methanol to fuel a methanol fuel cell.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so is petrol, bohr'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should have used methanol instead of gasoline 70 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'petrol is flammable but yes can be explosive too,'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the main reason they don't want to use Hydrogen is because of the capability of generating it at home, and governments and oil companies don't like that, they hate people being self sufficient and put every law conceivable in to prevent it'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'interestingly, the largest producer of methanol in north america is in Canada, near the tar sands as its source of carbon, and it exports to the US for people and govt that have methanol vehicles or power generators.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that same company in Canada is building a methanol refinery in Texas....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'if people can make hydrogen at home in large amounts, then people would be creating bombs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There is a guy in NY that produces all the hydrogen he needs vial solar and wind power to power his house, cars and toys via a fuel cell.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course he has spent about $500k on the system......all grants from power and energy companies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'small controllable amounts of hydrogen is fine.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you quite understand what a hydrogen bomb is'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'large amount and you end up with the Hindenburg Accident.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hydrogen burns upwards...most of those people survived...the ones that died jumped while the damn blimp was still high off the ground.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'a Hydrogen Bomb is different'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hydrogen is pretty combustible... you could make a pretty spiffy boom-boom with out getting into nuclear physics... but fertilizer is cheaper and easier to get.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hydrogen bombs require deuterium and tritium, not hydrogen'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the small ones just require regular hydrogen, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, they do, you can toss them like molotovs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course, air/fuel is even spiffier... DANGED unstable to make at home, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and delivery is a problem'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'deuterium and tritium is just hydrogen with different amounts of neutrons. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, bohrium, and not generated in home hydrogen factories'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'did you know my name is an element too? :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'tell me... for hydrygen powered stuff... is the hydrogen under pressure?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our neighborhood has its own 100kw nuclear power plant providing power.....it has a 20 year lifetime.......*peer*'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usually stored as liquified hydrogen, so yes VL'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '100 kw doesn't soind like alot'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol turned into a scientific debate :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that one of the ones the fake liberals don't believe exist, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, 100k is enough for the 17 homes. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'neighborhoods generally aren't that big, V.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so there would be vehicles, on the road, with my child's school bus, that had pressurised hydrogen tanks on them?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, VL'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like they have nat gas and lpg cars now'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'how about the electricity/power generated from nuclear power plants?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yep, they're called fuel cells, and they're on the road now already.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'given a choice between and LP and hystrogen explosion, I'd take the LP'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'aren't hybrids just grand?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, hans, they're a white elephant'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'THAT'S why they cleared everyone away from the little fender bender in town the other day... one of the cars was LP.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they offer no net CO2 saving over their lifetime than a regular petrol car, and cost a considerable amount more in non-renewable resources such as Lithium'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The mighty Hollister: 'wait let me get this straight. you get cars that work without gasoline?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like a 7k fuel car for my home...thank you very much...get on it please...plug power promised a residential unit by 2008...never happened.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er 7k fuel cell'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I could use hydrogen in my tator gun... that's be pretty sweet'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I wonder how much mayhem a beltway sniper could create if instead of shooting people from his trunk he were just shooting cars.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'yes! but you still need to use oil in the form of lubricants.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is self sufficient in propane.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'improve public mass transit in urban areas, and fuck off and leave everyone in the country alone'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'considering propane is a byproduct of natgas processing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let us have stuff that is practical and pragmatic, not force us to buy shit trendy technology that goes wrong, can't be fixed, and doesn't solve anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's the next issue with the US, urban vs. rural.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're right, everyone urban should probably be euthenised'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar is good....everyone should invest in a solar system for their home.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Move everyone to the city where they can take advantage of mass transit... anyone who lives out in the country is just plain selfish.  If everyone would just live in cities, they'de be much easier to cover with fire departments, power, sewage....  police suppervision.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'human houses are far too small for solar systems.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The mighty Hollister: 'Solar is expensive'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol tiger! that's a bit extreme.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you'll find most rural people are happy without such things, VL'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wouldn't need to buy up so much ammo, then.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'simple solution would be to have different sets of laws and regulations for rural vs. urban.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just talked to a local solar installer, and they can install a 5k solar system here in houston for $15k installed....and you get the 30% rebate from the feds, plus 10 cents per watt from the power company.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would, bohr'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it shouldn't be their choice to be happy living in the ocuntry.  It's socially irresponsible.  It'd take alot few tax dollars to take care of them in cities.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, 25 cents actually, the power company plus the infrastructure company.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just plain BS, VL'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... and I am pulling it all from between my left and right butt cheaks.... BUT.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's how it is in germany'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'even the FARMERS have to live in town in Germany'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you think it's true then one solution - get rid of the federal government and have those services provided by the state or lower assemblages, then the urbanites won't be subsidising the ruralites'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'like we want to live squished in with a bunch of weirdos who think vaccinations are harmful.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Germany is full of Nazi's, so what do you expect?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it IS possible to live out by yourself, but the $$$ is easily 10-15 TIMES what it is to live in the city'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's also just not true'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you been to the Democrat Party school of bullshit and propaganda?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, $15k total cost of system minus the $1250 power company rebate, minus the $4500 federal rebate, I would get a return of 8.5% on my money the first year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're in the best place for it, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it would be paid off in 11 years if the price of electricity stayed the same.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's too many coversations going on here at once.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Urban isn't bad, neither is the more spaceful rural areas. depends on what people like.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pipe down or keep up, VL.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'guess I'll take a nap'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you force people to live in urban sprawls, you might as well force them to marry and force them to be gay'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it makes more sense to buy a solar system then keep the $15k in the bank earning 1% interest'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seriously, coercion, social engineering, and government dictation of your life is bad juju'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'arranged same sex marriages Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't go there'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think we've all had enough of that bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'This is America, Land of the Free.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing is free.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not been free for some time now'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'started falling apart bigtime in 1913, and at an accelerated rate in 1971'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even faster since 2001'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cloud atlas is not that good of a film.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tom hanks should have known better.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'It's still much "free-er" than most other countries for now. :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'he also plays the lead role in Captain Philips.  What can you expect?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we've established that electric cars aren't green, rural and urban have different sets of issues and shouldn't be treated equally, and oil would be great for the economy if they're allowed to make use of it. Next item on the agenda?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Forrest Gump, FTW!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'electric cars are even more polluting in rural areas'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'than compared to urban ones, that is'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'increasing US oil and gas production to 15 million barrels a day would add 3-5 million energy related jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'why not just hand everyone aardwolf portals for means of travel then?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hybrids are great for stop and go travel.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they don't work in the Earth zone.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'whole area's flagged as prison.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'surely the golden chaos portals must work IRL.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'teleporting would be the most efficient and most clean means of travel and transportation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm why would teleporting be clean'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would still need to power the teleporters...and that would need more oil and gas!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and why efficient might take tons of energy to do so'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, and that $15k solar system will provide about 85% of my power needs...woohoo.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm proud of your miiltary guys standing up on twitter and saying no to war in syria'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're just scared about the chems likely to be used on them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i have a military friend that says he would refuse to fight in syria'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nice to see twitter being used for something vaguely useful for a change rather than just being pit for narcissists to spout bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and yet they have no problem with shooting guns with ammo made from depleted uranium :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good on them, they swore an oath on the constitution, not an oath on Obama's political agenda'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't go there on the hypocrisy, Riz, all that bollocks John Kerry made up about the 1925 banning of chemical weapons. Did he think everyone forgot about Viet Nam and Agent Orange, or Iraq 2003 and DU?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy's a prize fucktard'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yep thats what hes saying that it would be treasonous to help someone who is a pledged enemy of the state'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next step after getting Obama off taking action is to get him to stop the military aid already being given to Al-Qaeda in Syria'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'did those people even sign Geneva convention'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Al-Qaeda? No, they're not bound by it'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except that is not true.....he made an oath to obey the president of the united states when he joined up.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'send his ass to leavenworth !'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only when it's a lawful order, Riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if military obey an order they know to be illegal, they are legally liable'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't the trials after WW2 show you that?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Nuremberg was a witchhunt'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why they wasted time on those instead of just executing them onsite, I dunno.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'and Hart's War wasn't that good of a movie.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"I, Tigernuts, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"I, Tigernuts, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damnit!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"I, Tigernuts, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same and that I will obey the _orders of the President of the United States_ and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you know things ain't right if you have to deal with domestic enemies. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, those were pretty unstable times back then.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't question that, riz, just pointing out the legal limits of that clause'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you -are- fighting domestic enemies - those seeking to subvert the constitution, AKA Obama + his Neocon allies'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was kinda the point of the oath'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That clean coal boondoggle the prairie state coal power plant cost $5 billion to build and only produces 1600 MW of energy......the only cleaning that is being done is to the people who have to buy the power.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK are expecting energy shortages and brownouts by 2020'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a regular coal power plant that is extremely clean compared to older coal plants would have cost about $2 billion for the 1600 MW'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuckwits in both parties sat on their tush for the last 20 years and ignored the strategic energy requirements'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'modern non clean coal power plants are close to 80% cleaner compared to the older generation of coal power plants.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't matter how clean they are, Obama/Gore won't allow them'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good thing they have no say.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas was going to build 18 new coal power plants, but Texans decided to vote no instead, and then the natgas boom started.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can regulate it and make you pay through the nose for it'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so now we have 5 new modern natgas power plants instead.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can also parachute a bunch of libtards into your state to try take it over'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'People create natural gas at home all the time. It's called farting like a constipated donkey.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let em come, in Texas we can shoot to kill in private land...and Texas is almost all private land except for a couple state owned parks, and a federal grassland.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'state owned land with a bit of federal grassland, you mean'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder how many shale oil deposits there are.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you only own the title, not the land itself, unless you hold an Allodial title. Texas is one of the last places in the US to have Allodial titles, but I don't think it's offered there anymore now'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all conventional oil deposits are fed from shale oil deposits deep underground.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'well it's true no one quite completely "owns" their land. That's why everyone's gotta pay property tax. '
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they used to'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and allodial doesn't always mean it's not subject to tax'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Property taxes are one of those things we could do without'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tigernuts for President!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am going to donate my land to the church I just made, and thus qualify for tax exemption of property tax.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you look faintly rightwingish, Riz, i'm afraid it's going to be at least 5 years of assessments as the IRS targets you for your political beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woohoo!  Good thing I have all those bank accts in belize and bermuda!'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'and under your bed mattress.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, then the donkies can steal it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Rizgoth pets a donkey.
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'elephants and donkeys run this country. :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should probably try getting some good people to run it instead'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unfortunately they all died in 1800s.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'except good people that will stay good are hard to find.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'once you go into politics. Favors, corporate lobbies, etc come into play.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'next thing you know, you're eating gourmet food at a fancy restaurant for free. just as long as you take care of certain people and companies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'nevermind where all that campaign money came from in the first place.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'such negativity, considering that rarely happens.....and they do get caught eventually.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol?? happens all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of neocons have been resigning because of mishandling of funds and accepting bribes in the last decade.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'ever wonder why it's hard for a normal average American to elected to a top political position? cause they simply don't have the campaign funds to compete.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, normal avg people in Texas get elected to congress all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you got lawyers, business owners blowing millions just on campaigns.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'tell Riz, sorry to tell ya the truth, but it's sad if Mitt Romney and Geroge Bush is the best that Texas can do. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir raises an eyebrow at Bohrium's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mitt is from Texas ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'since when ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir . o O ( he's not )
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'wait sorry about that'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'nevermind I screwed up Mitt is from Conneticut.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'mitt is from a robot factory'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'I meant to say Rick Perry who didn't go very far with the presidential race.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, the US isnt ready for the genius of rick perry yet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'although, also from Texas politics, Ron Paul was a good candidate in my opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the GOP and corporate complex really hated him though, hence the sabotage'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too bad his son didnt inherit his intelligence though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Ron Paul could have given Obama a good run.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ron paul has a way of appealing to both sides of the coin, not just republicans.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ron is a moderate, unlike his son.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you can just tell by how much we agree on  Ron Paul already lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see Rand as something of a sellout, but there, he's infinitely better than everything else in the GOP with the exception of Ted Cruz'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uncle teddy is a canadian :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's half-canadian, which makes him as much an american as obama'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think anyone can really call birthplace on Cruz after the Obama forged documents debacle'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Trey Gowdy looks like a decent fellow'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'arsenio hall 2016 !'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh hush and get behind your local man :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlike most americans, you live in a decent state'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the gators are getting bigger again.....a 13.5 foot alligator was killed in mississippi....'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the TV audience for gators is getting bigger'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't know gators watched tv'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they eat people who do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they eat people who do.qr'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so - I'm a conservative.  Some might even accuse me for being a NEOCON...  When a conservative leader does something really dumb, or lies, or shames himself or the country, I see it for what it is and call them on it.  Why can't those on the left do the same?  I'm watching Pelosi's lips move, and all I hear are lies, propaganda, half-truths and a big, fat, rotting political agenda....  Why can't her people reign her in?  '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and Hank Johnson... how does someone so incredibly feable minded make it to Washington? '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'noone has the answer?  Ya, don't this there IS an answer.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'BO going to congress.  He is actually showing some leadership.  I'm shocked in a good way.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'since everybody knows we have to strike syria, not only will it possibly rekindle bipartisanship, but it gives the time for UN inspectors to say what everyone already knows'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think that maybe we won't strike syria.  Not as the USA, anyway.  We may paint some destroyers baby-blue and give them to the UN.. then the UN will strike them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'then give the destroyers back'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'of course we are going to strike syria'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'congress is 99% likely to approve it, and then we will'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you aren't going to find a significant number of congressmen against a basic, cheap missile strike in retaliation for chemical weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'BO knows this.  I don't like the guy, but I love this move.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the president WANTS to strike syria, but he doesn't want the responsibility of making the decision - perhaps sending the decision to congress was the technically correct thing to do, but I do not believe that it will get thru congress easily.  There is already plenty of bi-partisianship being felt.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there is approximately zero bipartisanship on any issue.  And, I don't think BO gives a fuck about killing syrians.  It's all a calculation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unfortunatly, It's a lose-lose for the conservatives in DC... fight against the strike, and you're part of the problem - approve the strike, and it's your fault.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it's a loser to fight this issue at all.  everyone can get behind cruise missiles... anything more than that is not only stupid from a foreign policy pserpective, it also won't fly w/ US population'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that is true'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it has to be done before russian puts troops on the ground, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'boehner and obama having a good produtive phone conversation is like a way bigger story than how many shitty syrian military assets we disable'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'they aren't going to do that!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate if we launch missiles against a country where russians are posted, it all goes to hell....  It'd be a good move on their part... no significant force... just a few "advisors" on an extended tour of their allies country.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they've already moved a carrier into the region'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a few russians lounging around sipping tea is perhaps the best missile shield the syrians could ask for.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we should just drop a big pile of shit in syria and call it a day'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if I had my way, I'd pull everything out and let them all fuck each other.  Even if they pursue WMD, that shit is going to israel before it crosses the oceans.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'isreal makes a pretty good speed bump... no self respecting arab or persia can resist that target.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'we have nothing to gain from the middle east.  they aren't democracies.  we don't buy their oil.  let the islamists kill each other to compete for who gets to fuck virgin angels in nirvana'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND... any move against isreal is a big green light to class over the entire reagion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'israel could take them all down anyway, they dont need our help'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i never understood what we owe israel that we blow billions of aid their way'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we made them - we're like a parent'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea Israel is ally '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'then they are like the 26 year old kid that is long off our health insurance and needs to get the fuck out of the basement'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and when I say "made", I am speaking completely politically and economically... not biblically'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'israel, ally?  what do we gain from them?  seems to me they are more like a strategic parasite'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what ever... their worth it'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they're, even'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'take away isreal, and we move to the top of the target list'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well lets see aloth of wealth jewish people in the country that would not be so happy if Israel were left out in the wind '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and our first clue that someone has a butt-ton of chemicals is a choking and dying long island.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'elchanan, that's nice.  they can take AIPAC and all their lobbying groups and leave.  I can understand why they want the US to support their homeland, but I can't understand why it's in the interest of 99% of the other americans to do so.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they do some good research over there'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its better to have and ally than an enemy'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wtg water wasters, one of the largest aquifers in the world will be depleted in less than 50 years because of widespread unsustainable water wasting by farms and ranches on the high plains of the US.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if farms would switch to drip irrigation, water use could be reduced by about 80%.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if your mom would start a diet, the earth would fly out of the solar system'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Using current trends in water usage as a guide, the researchers estimate that 3 percent of the aquifer's water was used up by 1960, 30 percent of the aquifer's water was drained by 2010, and a whopping 69 percent of the reservoir will likely be tapped by 2060. It would take an average of 500 to 1,300 years to completely refill the High Plains Aquifer.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Scottish Scientists have created a microscopic sphere and set it awhirl at a blistering 600 million rotations per minute.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'at which axis?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The rotation rate is so fast that the angular acceleration at the sphere surface is 1 billion times that of gravity on the Earth surface '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The team manufactured a miniature sphere of calcium with a diameter of 4 micrometers, a strand of hair has a diameter of about 40 micrometers, and then levitated the tiny object in a beam of laser light inside a vacuum.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, quantum thruster physics.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, 10x the speed of light.....lets go !'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'These electric "q-thrusters" work as a submarine does underwater, except they're in the vacuum of space,'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The spacecraft is theoretically propelled through space by stirring up the cosmic soup, causing quantum-level perturbations. The resulting thrust is similar to that created by a submersible moving through water.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The technology produces negative vacuum energy, a key ingredient for an exotic-matter-powered warp-drive engine.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A huge plume of iron-rich water has been discovered emanating from hydrothermal vents in the southern Atlantic Ocean, significantly increasing estimated global concentrations of this vital marine nutrient.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'an incredible source of spam-like nonsense has been detected on the Aardwolf MUD.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so looks like Obama has been bitten by the George Bush bug and is determined to go to war regardless. he's inviting a vote from congress but has basically said he'll go to war regardless of what they say, irrespective of that, the senate will pass it because democrats have a majority and despite it being against their nature, they'll vote for their own president 'cos he black' and congress will pass it 'cos he black' and because sufficiently large numbers of the GOP there are bought and paid for by the military industrial complex that they too will ignore their constituents and vote for it'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's basically saying "fuck the public, my backers want war"'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least our British lot had the sense to realise that if they went to war against the wishes of the electorate, they'd get shit-kicked at the next election'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how long before the democrat faithful realise that Obama is screwing them over and will make them unelectable for at least 8 years?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's how you get herpes from the bearded lady, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'miss'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Boner and Cantor are backing this. How can this possibly be defended? Americans should be in the streets over this'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'would've been much funnier if it was Boner and Weiner instead.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the whole situation is absurd, the RUssians can't be relied upon to provide a counterbalance'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i guess more american soldiers and innocent civilians will just have to die, and the tax payer will foot the bill'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I know, that's why the French don't like us.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, Americans died?!  When?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Federal court awards 10yr old Ryan Mojabi hundreds of thousands of dollars compensationa nd ruled that the MMR vaccine led to his autism spectrum disorder... and promptly censored part of the ruling'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'US will help out other countries first before their own Americans. Sad but true.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on a creepier note, go watch The Butler and see what Robin Williams looks like as a serious actor.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Robin Williams was good in Hook.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'also as the cross-dressing Miss Doubtfire.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'neither of which were actually serious roles.  They had the typical Robin Williams comedy flair.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'What Dreams May Become as well Hanslanda'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'man and his family were kicked out of Universal Studios theme park while celebrating his daughter's Sweet 16 (even threatened with arrest) because he was wearing a T-shirt with the word "Police" on it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yE_efOGFlhohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yE_efOGFlho'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this kinda of shit keeps going on someone is going to start shooting back'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'well unfortunately people won't take you seriously until you take them to court. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder what they'd do if i went in with my "Obama is a Cunt" Tshirt, hans'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a building in london that is a secret solar powered death ray.....it has already melted parts of two vehicles and it isnt even finished being built.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'London is a foreign country, we don't go there anymore'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.globalresearch.ca/did-the-white-house-help-plan-the-syrian-chemical-attack/5347542'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'McCain is now going around claiming that the Syrian rebels are "moderates"'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If moderates go around beheading innocent christians, i'd hate to see a fundamentalist'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If moderates go around dropping Sarin gas, accidental or not, i'd hate to see a fundamentalist'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's pretty funny how mccain said that the us is going to "arm the right people" and then get on a group photo with known terrorists :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'McCain should have stuck to oven chips'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you probably love his home state tho'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deep fried potato chips are better...use a dutch oven.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'McCain, Kerry, Boner, Cantor, Graham, all MIC stooges that need to be disposed of'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'hehe, dutch oven :D'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe there's an advanced attempt to have McCain recalled by his constituents'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I made 3 bags of potato chips by deep frying about 50 cents worth of potatoes.....much cheaper compared to those 10 oz bags of lays chips for $2.99'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you know a bag of potato chips use to be under $1 like 10 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'also used the oil to cook up some donuts, and some fish....had a good deep frying day.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'made some krispy kreme donuts, and froze em after we chowed down on a couple dozen hot donuts with powdered sugar and glaze.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'deep fry oil isn't healthy but hey have a blast. It's your stomach. :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deep frying is fine, people have been doing it for thousands of years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just dont recommend you eat more calories than you need per day....that is what is unhealthy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i made brownies with bacon today'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir beams with pride.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Seltsimees Dagnir!!!  Ilthik cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bacon fat rules.....I like to pressure cook bacon in lard to give the lard a nice bacon flavor.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you can also use that deep fry oil to drive a grease powered car after you're done.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or you can filter it and reuse it many times.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'It's it's BACON!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just hang your ass out the window and ride like the Jetsons'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to butcher 12 rabbits tomorrow....yum...fried rabbit meat, mashed potatoes and gravy, steamed carrots, and fresh baked bread with butter and honey.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Bacon and Sausage, the most addictive pork products you'll ever eat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'better hurry if you only want to butcher 12...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why hurry?  It takes me like 2min to butcher a rabbit.....they were designed quite well for butchering.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and for other things, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'cooking a rabbit with carrots, interesting...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I raise rabbits also....have 2 bucks, and 6 does....the 12 are part of 3 litters that are 10 weeks old or older.  About 7 lbs each'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol i can see Rizgoth look a rabbit in the eye and then chop his head off.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'awwww how cute...rabbit Fatality!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hang them upside down from the feet, and whack them on the back of the head...the blood comes out of the nose for a minute, but the rabbit is dead.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sometimes the nerves keep kicking.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pigs are pain to butcher....I just let a butcher do that for me....cattle also.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but goats are pretty easy to butcher.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the easiest to butcher?  Gnats.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'The only butchering I know is from the movie Gangs of New York'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 7 lb rabbit will easily have about 4 lbs of meat though on the bone.....really good meat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gonna go squirrel hunting on my dads ranch next weekend though....hope to get about 20 of them.....the hindlegs are the best part of the tree rat....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wish we had water rats here in Texas.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'are they delicious?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, had some fried up when I was in lousiana'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with cornbread and rice and gravy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you can deep fry just about anything. Vegetables, meat, tires, George Bush's failures, etc....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is also good roasted.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kentucky fried water rat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so, peanut butter cookies or butterscotch chip.......or banana bread with cream cheese frosting ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'last one'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I still have 28 loaves of banana bread in the freezer :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'butterscotch chip isn't a bad choice either.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'peanut butter cookies eh nothing special in my opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with peanut butter chips'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you should talk to the produce manager and see what they do with the overripe bananas....sometimes you can get bags of them for free.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is how I ended up with 32 loaves of banana bread in the freezer :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fry the overripe bananas :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'fried bananas are good'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'I believe they're called plantains'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fried plátanos :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i'd eat that all day. Another addictive food item.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not only that but it doesn't matter where in the maturing cycle the fruit is, you can cook it and get different result, all good :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'overripe bananas are not exactly deep fry material.....they are almost brown liquid in the peel :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but they make great pudding, bread or ice cream.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'green fried plátanos are the bomb :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'they are very crispy'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dehydrated bananas are good also.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'some say that the banana is the near-perfect fruit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'sad that it's been extinct for many years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, not the plantain. The plantain still has seeds.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tomato is the perfect fruit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and they could possibly change the plantain's gnome to produce bananas in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I disagree in re the tomato :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the current bananas are just clones.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tomato is perfect.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you get more vitamins from the banana, notably the eponymous bananin :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'everyone knows the bananas these days are just all clones.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a tasty fruit where you get 100 or more seeds that can grow into more plants and more tomatoes with 100 or more seeds......that is compound interest in its purest form.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'absolutely rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I like baby food'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'nothing wrong with clones and the banana tree has perfected the cloning process.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i agree nothing wrong with bananas'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'except when they're in pajamas and falling down the stairs'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you can blame United Fruit for the fate of the banana.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the tomato will most likely never go away......there are hundreds of varieties'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the gmo tomatoes are red cardboard though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am betting the banana will survive the current crisis'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we shall see soon enough....the current banana that is sold in the stores is going extinct...the disease that killed the previous banana has moved to the new one.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love those lemon drop tomatoes.....they look just like the lemon drop candy....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ever have a black tomato ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '275 million years ago, methane destroyed almost all life on earth.....now we plan on using methane hydrates to create lots and lots of electricity....there is over 10,000 years of methane hydrates off the continental shelves of the continents.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'true under like thousands of feet of ocean water pressure'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'it's also the secret to the Bermuda Triangle folks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'even to this day. Methane can be easily created just from simply farting.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'japan is going all in on extracting methane hydrates from the ocean.....they need an alternative supply of energy that is close by.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'or they can figure out a way to collect energy from all those people riding bicycles there. :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the chemical formula of this alleged methane hydrate'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'co2 emissions in japan have gone up almost 40% in japan since the 2011 earthquake.....they shutdown all the nuclear reactors and use propane and natgas imported from europe and the middle east.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they need to turn the nuclear plants back on.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'nuclear power plants are high risk high reward'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'methane hydrate is simply CH4 bonded to H20 molecules I think'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, they need to eventually build new safe reactors using 5th generation pebble bed designs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'flinstones style'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Japanese nuclear reactors going kaput were likely caused by the same "incompetence" that caused their cars to go kaput'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Futurama and other cartoon-science is not valid-science'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'makes me wanna create a car named Kaputz.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'cartoon-science may unfortunately fool children, but adults ... tsk  (unless those kids became adults without an adequate science education)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's totally possible'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear power is the future.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the future is now!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we should build 2 pebble bed nuclear reactors in every lower 48 state, and link the regional power grids together.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'radiation poisoning seems a past of the nuclear scenarios'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you know there's something one step further '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Nuclear fusion will put Nuclear fission to bed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'link the power grids together, and then when solar energy in arizona is kicking the kwh butt, it can be used in places like nevada or idaho, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'nuclear fission is what the modern day nuclear plants do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuclear fusion is at least 30 years in the future....minimum, cause we dont have the willpower to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nor the technology'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'but it's like holding the power of the sun in your hands!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'cause that's exactly what the sun does.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nuclear fusion yet produces radioactive waste'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'like i said, high risk high reward'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uranium is cheap compared to other fuels.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the aussies are flooding the market with cheap uranium.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'widespeead radioactive poisoning death mutation and disease is not a "high reward"'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'I hope our scientific debate will stir up the minds of the children in Aardwolf.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go chew on a chunk of coal....coal produces more radioactive particles than nuclear power plants have.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'are the muslims buying that cheap uranium'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'of course, Zade. Everyone knows that muslins are de facto terrorists :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and yet, coal plants do not produce as much radioactivity as that japanese nuclear disaster'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'then maybe set up a nuclear fusion plant on the moon and conduct all that power back to earth.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'if anything goes wrong, we just lose our only moon. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, why waste the time figuring out how to harness the few Gwatt-hours the sun pours on us.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if the moon was gone....it would get really hard to live on earth.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'eh hide tide 24/7 :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'how about no-tide'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'no tide yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and when those nuclear fusion plants on the moon are weaponised to fire that energy as a concentrated ray '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'solar power rules...especially now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'then we have defense mechanism against alien invaders.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'aliens as in not from the US'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'they'd be coming to Earth thinking we're still stuck on gunpowder and bullets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'until a surface-hugging projectile destroys those nuclear-plants on the moon'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the aliens would just invade the moon, take the weapon and use it to cook all life on earth for consumption of bbq.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'ooh hooo! we have harnessed the power of a star into a weapon on the moon. Vanquishing alien invaders.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'well obviously, we'd set up some type of control mechanism for that so aliens can't just show up and use it lol.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'peaceful energy-transmission from the moon to the earth is unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you do realize if an alien race is advaced enough to readh Earth, they will be advanced enough to wipe life off the planet... and probably will.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'reach*'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'yea but you can't deflect star's energy power. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, all you need to do is tractor beam a large asteroid from the kuiper belt and send it into earth........bye bye humans, new planet for aliens to populate.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's how I would do it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'then we just blast that asteroid in the pieces first and launch the beam from the original trajectory location.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i mean to not from'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you actually think an alien race is going to land on Earth and say "take me to your leader"? The first we will know about aliens is when the planet is under attack.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tractor-beams are sci-fi fiction '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not if they hit the planet on the side of the planet not facing the moon :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'the Aliens would be like oh shit! Do not mess with Earthlings, finding next living planet....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, the aliens would correctly reason that if the roles were reversed they would be attacked, so they would  do a preemptive strike.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just ask cannibals, humans are tasty bbqed......of course aliens will bbq us.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all we are is a source of protein...nothing more.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and there are 7 billion protein sources on earth. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'except humans are incapable of space travel for the moment so aliens don't have to worry about us attacking them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the probable action for a race (any race including humans) after finding another intelligent species to destroy it before it destroys them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'in fact any significant "space travel" is significantly impossible.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'heh, at one point making fire was thought impossible.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only impossible to our limited knowledge of space technology'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Humans would be much further along if not for the religious furvor crap of the dark ages.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'You can't travel faster than the speed of light and that only applies to subatomic particles lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the church controlling things set us back at least 500 years.....never allow the church to run things.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's just simple proven and derived laws of phyiscs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont need to go faster than the speed of light when you can perhaps cause space to move faster around you.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's going into science fiction. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's hot strictly true, you cannot travel faster than light in an inertial reference system. There are galaxies that are traveling faster than light away from us.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'not*'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you can't know for certain what you cannot see. :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NASA is doing research on warp technology to warp space around a craft.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some of the theories are pretty interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bohrium seems to hint that non-subatomic-particles may travel ftl'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'ftl?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'if they never travel less than the speed of light, possibly'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'it's the approaching the speed of light (from either side) that's the main issue'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tachions are fiction'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'well, that and the likelihood that it would require negative mass'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the general theory of relativity allows for particle to come into existence traveling faster than light.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how fast is space moving if we were not moving with space ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'negative mass is (likely) a fiction'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'interesting question, there seems to be evidence that the universe is rotating :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'I think they stated that issue though with the speed of light i think'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and I don't mind telling you, that universe would have a hell  of an angular momentum :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'even if you're moving on something that's travelling at the speed of light, you're still not faster than the speed of light.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'let me try to find this...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the problem is that at the speed of light, mass goes infinite, according to GTR.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, I would think that the universe is moving quite fast....and if we can figure out how to 'anchor' ourself outside of the spacial universe....perhaps we could go faster than the speed of light....without actually moving.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the tip of a whip moves faster than light when snapped :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the expanding-universe model permits things to travel ftl relative to each other'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that is correct'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei peers intently at SnailBot Anaristos.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'You sure you're not thinking faster than sound?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'sorry, you are  right Leinei :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'If you wikipedia speed of light, you'll find some information....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'nods, sound is only about 750 mph or so.  guy broke that in freefall a couple of months ago ;)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'when he jumped out of outer space, pretty much'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sometimes the squirrels in my backyard run so fast they create a sonic boom.......'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'actually, there was in incident during the first tests of space flight in the late 40s or early 60s where a pilot baled going faster than sound.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'early 50s*'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'bullets travel faster than the speed of light'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei peers intently at Bohrium.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'they would disitegrate if they did'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's why by the time people hear the shot, they've already been shot.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i mean sound'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'that's faster than the speed of sound, not light'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Leinei nods.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'depends on the bullet, though'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'bullets travel than the speed of sound.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'people who are shot won't hear the shot, they will be in shock by then.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'a lot of them don't'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'but light is faster than sound obviously and that's why you see lightning before the thunder... thunder.... thundercats!!! Hoooo!!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when trolls get a science education from sci-fi shows and especially cartoons, they debate as though they are illiterate in science'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'you da man, Zade. We know that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'futurama ftw'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xaeris slaps Professor Hubert J. Farnsworth.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'that guy makes since fun!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'ughh science'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'so here's a tough one...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '42'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Billy Nye the science guy vs. Beakman from Beakman's world.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'that sparkly guy from twilight'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'reply you asked about the zigzag message :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'mis :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a chinese guy created a business selling rubberband kits to kids......weaving kits.....and is making millions from his kit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'then we missed out on something while playing Aardwolf'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the japanese american guy...an engineer who worked for nissan in detroit created the product with his daughter....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he has sold over 1 million of the $18 kits so far....it comes with a plastic loom and some rubberbands...you can buy more colored rubberbands and other trinkets to add to the bracelets for an additional kit'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'While poor Detroit is in bankruptcy. sad..'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'poeple like to buy colorful tinkets :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'trinkets*'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it is becoming the next hot toy for young kids'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Classic. The nerf ball is the epitome of the dream of inventor success in the capitalist marketplace. 1 cent investment 1 dollar toy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'if you can make something shiny enough someone will buy it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is how you create a new business.....small businesses are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hate huge companies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'but you prob give them lots of money'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy couldnt get anyone to buy his kit at first....managers of toy stores would kick him out....until 1 store changed its mind and carried his kit....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the rest is as they say...history.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the US was going to go DC until  Edison failed to electrocute the dog, the rest, as they say, is history :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what is unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'DC was never a serious option for transcontinental power transmission'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Edison was set on having the US go DC, he invested a lot of money on DC transmission. He lost to Tesla on this one, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'DC, AC, whatever gets the motor going....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's cause Edison used Tesla at low wage'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'big difference'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, Edison stole all of Tesla's idea but decided that Tesla was wrong on AC.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'can't believe a video game covered that too.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, finding that I enjoy rice more and more.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, "stole" was too strong a word.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Tesla didn't care that Edison implemented his ideas, I just think  Edison should have been man enough to give him credit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rice cooked in seasoned salt water, with veggies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'what does ac and dc stand for? '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no idea of the difference either'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'alternating and direct current.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alternating current and direct current'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'YOU, shook me ALLL night LONG!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ac goes back and forth, dc just goes one way.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'AC is also extremely dangerous unlike DC'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Edison was the ultimate promoter of his time - Do you think Steve Jobs personnally came up with all the inovation that goes into an apple product?  Nope - But he gets credit for it'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apple has extremely talented engineers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like all tech companies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'i'd like to learn about electricity,  i hate gettin shocked which happens occasionally on the job, cuz electricians always leaving shit on'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'edison was smart enough to know that what his 'employees' devised, and he patended, it was as good as if he invented it, and that's how history would remember it'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no doubt, Edison WAS a visionary... by he was also a shameless self-promoter.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'thats prob why we've heard of him'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'james patterson is the edison of the book writing industry.....he hires writers to write the books for him and he slaps his name in huge letters on the cover :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'by any measure of success, he was a historical winner.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'patterson... and a host of others as well... Tom Clancy, Robert Jordan, Larry Niven, Timothy Zahn... they have ALL "co-wrote" a number of volumes'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'sort like the organic milk factory that sell milk from people that are good with milking cows.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'patterson 'publishes' over 50 books a year with his cowriters. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of course... Jordan was so busy putting his name on "co-authored" rent paying checks, that he forgot to finish his opus before he croaked'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'successful writers do it all the time. They create an environment and other writers come in and develop part of it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now GRRM is going to do the same thing... he's so busy doing TV that he will not finish his work.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Herbert and Dune are a good example.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he's stated on his blog that "writing isn't fun any more"'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, life is a beach.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I take that to mean "I'm not going to finish your story - suckers"'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'fortunately for me, I quit reading him years ago :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when the FIB agent chick got killed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wait for the "movie?"'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'FBI*'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fib - FBI.. all the same'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I don't like gratuitous deaths.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to see some WEB griffin books become a tv series....like the corps....love his books.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'same reason I quit reading Sanford.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only ever read the 'war' series'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'his blood is too red white and blue for me.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'LT - CPT - MAJ - COL - Gen - Aviators'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'writers don't seem to be able to write books without injecting personal politics into the books. They should try having their characters develop their own leaings.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the brotherhood of war series is my fav.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Jeez.... Rollins and Cusler are the WORST for political and personal bias!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'almost all of Rollin's books have the military pop up somewhere in the story... and they are always bumbling idiots who have to be told by the pot-smoking, tree hugging heroes of the story.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I thought Tom Clancy's The Cardinal  of the Kremlin was an excellent book. So I started reading the others, after a while I couldn't stand the Ryan character. He was so squeaky clean and working for the CIA. Who was Clancy kidding?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's wasn't that ryan was so squeeky clean... he just had a proper sense of when it was "OK" to get dirty.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yeah, but the fact is that there is no such animal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he didn't get "dirty" for personal success or fortune.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and THAT, my friend... is what makes it fiction =)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when I think of CIA, I think of that tv show burn notice.....:p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'x-wing fighters?  honestly =)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'the point, everyone who has access to the cookie jar is going to stick his hand in, even if just a little.  But this guy wouldn't even pad his expense account for a bottle of soda.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he was a bit of a priss... wasn't he?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'indeed, cound't stand it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yet, against all odds... he prevailed and became president!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a real american dream!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I am so thankful I never had to read that :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1 serving of rice sure does go a long way.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I appreciate the prophetic nature of clancy's early writing... he included a jet liner crashing into congress just a few years before it almost happened for real'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'That did not happen?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the plane that was head for the capital (flt 92) never made it... it crashed into a pennsylvania field'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, maybe it was a self-fulfilling  prophecy. Whomever made the attempt might have read his book.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'only the pentegon and WTC planes made it to their targets'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it wasn't THAT much befor it happened... any planning required to pull that off would have had to been started much much earlier that the book was published'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the timing was actually almost 'conspiritorially' close.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's not a real word, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'crashed, mabye. If witnesses on the ground are to be blieved (and the debris scatter seems to confirm) flight 92 was taken out.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I saw the movie... it crashed'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'right :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so THERE!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Instead the congressmen were replaced by lunatics'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '=)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'did the move explained how the crashed (and disappearing) plane left its engines so far away from the crash site?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'movie*'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... one of the passengers had a teleporter.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, that explains it :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seriously... I am perfectly content to let history record it as it has been recorded... the world becomes a very shitty place if you dump all the shit on the street'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and that detail, be it fact or fiction, would have absolutly ZERO impact on the amount of food in my pantry today.,'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no fear of that, the US is just a giant Disneyland. No fear that people will wake up and notice anything :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or in the price of a gallon of gas, for that matter... it's just make people less or more content or sad or happy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'So let's ask them about going to war, shall we?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who... the passengers of FLT 92?  I'm pretty sure they'd have voted for war if they'd lived'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, the anchors are saying that congress won't refuse Obama. So the point is why is he asking? '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh... that's a good debate.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'the public is against it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'polls are bad so he is diverting'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'yes, the public is, but since  congress will approve the war the people can't be. This is a representative government :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Personnaly, and given my feelings for the president... I say he's being a limp wristed, mamby-pamby fense walker who was elected to make decisions, but won't....  techinically, (not personnaly) going to congress is the correct action.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'will and did are two different things.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'next round of elections is next year, trust me. representatives are paying very close attention to polls right now'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'when the Bush Sr. when to congress for Iraq (round 1) he had that girl (who allegedly had been raped by Iraqi troops) talk to congress. They returned an almost unanimous bill of war. Turns out that the girl was the daughter of the ambassador to the US :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and was still a virgin :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'i really do not see the relevance in that.  today is today, last year is last year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'now, I wonder what will Obama produce to entertain congress.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'it's the same dog and pony show'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'In 1801 US President Jefferson told the US Congress in the matter of requesting war on the pirates of the Barbary Coast "I communicate [to you] all material information on this subject, that in the exercise of this important function confided by the Constitution to the Legislature exclusively their judgment may form itself on a knowledge and consideration of every circumstance of weight." Note the use of the term "exclusively", please.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Acidangel: 'yes congress decides, but i don't see them rubber stamping it like you suggest. i believe it will be far more difficult, and the longer it takes, the less likely it happens.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'US congress will rubber stamp syria.  that's an easy one.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I think that attacking Syria has always been the plan, just like Iraq and just like Lybia. The only crime that these countries have commited that we are actually concerned with is the crime of not trading oil for U.S. currency.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'cool story, do you realize the US doesn't even buy oil from the middle east?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that's an inconvenient fact for your uninformed liberal conspiracy theory'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The chemical attack was a false flag. We always need a 'reason'. The U.S. is nothing more than a U.N/NATO attack dog. All countries that do not have a global rothschild bank need to be dealt with.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'it is and always has been the money'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'We used Al Queda to topple over these countries. Our supposed enemy that we give up our freedom at home for.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'woops, the money angle is not based on any fact or ratioanle or economics at all, time to change the story'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'liberal, Republican, Democrat it all comes down to divide and conquer'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'guess what?  trading 1 million dollar cruise missiles for 50k artillery pieces is not about the money'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'What is your point Kojiro? '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my point is the US doesn't intervene in the middle east out of any monetary or economic concern.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that sounds like a cool conspiracy story, but it's not based on any fact, and it seems to be a common miseducation among the emotional liberal set (EMOs)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'no one does anything w/o that exact concern'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'investors reap the benefits of the making of that million dollar missile and most politicians invest in war machine companies. that can be researched and proven fact'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'You're right, the U.S. intervines on behalf of a global New World Order agenda...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Thraykun is agreeing with that Snaebjorn person again...
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Oh lordy, is it the Greys controlling everything?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I don't think the US should be doing anything in the Middle East, but I understand why we are, and it has nothing to do with money.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'you dont know shit, nor anyone else on our level, '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'in fact, the hundreds of billions wasted itnervening over there is a hopelessly bad "investment".  Nothing could ever make it worth it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Right....it just so happens that the only countries we invade or destablize for the greater good are those that don't have global banks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snaebjorn: 'reptilians Arnica :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'or it just so happens that global banks like to be where they can do business, and they can do business in places that have a rule of law, and places with a rule of law don't need superpower intervention'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that might be too much for you.  take it slowly.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'oh. Right, sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Snaebjorn smirks at Arnica's saying.
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'money is not being wasted in the Middle East. It's getting laundered. Taxpayer's money goes in, gets washed and goes back out into corporate accounts.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The only billions wasted are yours and my tax dollars.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'that's what I said.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'kids need to get out of the basement and learn how the world works.  it's like you guys are living in a fantasy world populated by conspiracy theories'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'yup, the tax dollars are wasted.  you ARE right about that!  Hence why we shouldn't be there.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I hate this. The billions are going through criminals not through lawful, organized profit making organizations. And the worse the war gets, the worse that situation will be. Kojiro makes sense.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'no, I am not living in a fantasy world. I understand what you are saying. Taxpayer's getting ripped off is the way of the world.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'are we getting any kind of return on national security for these hundreds of billions?  In iraq / afghanistan the answer is fuck no.  But a few mil to missile syria to back our words and punish chemical weapons, that's deifnitely worth it.  And that's why congress will approve it.  Easy one.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Prove to me Assad used the chemical weapons. You know the rebels were the first to speak up and take credit for it right?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'You know that the U.S. provided chemical weapons to Isreal which were used against Palastine right? As well as the depleted uranium we used in Iraq. Should we get bombed?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'prove to me the US provided chemical weapons to israel'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I dislike Israel more than most, but that sounds pretty far fetched'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'And, the CIA gave the intel they have the info rating right below certainty.  Good enough for me.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Bombing is so 20th century. There is absolutely no reason why today's leaders cant meet face to face. Saddam eventualy did.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but hey, maybe the rebels decided to gas 1400 of their own women/children in strategically very valuable territory to them.  I just think that's a < 5% probability.  Confidence interval high enough to warrant a strike.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ER is such a good show...it should have gone to 20 seasons !'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I got tired of it'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'got tired of House, got tired of SUV.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'And I'm sure Assad would attack in the same manner knowing it would provoke global action in his country...false flag buddy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'err, SVU :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Al Queada works for the CIA.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how can you get tired of SUVs ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'SVU, I meant.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, you meant suv....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'damn greenies :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Thraykum, we know all that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I half suspect that Kojiro is pretending not to know that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I think that people who have gas should be quarantined.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'oops, mis :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want to build a steam turbine using wood'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'that was almost on topic Anaristos:P'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What are the odds it will explode ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, let me rephrase that....I want to build a steam engine that burns wood to produce the steam, to run a turbine.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narsham: 'If you contact people who know how to build them, and get some help, it shouldn't explode. Most steam engines nowadays use relatively low pressure, as they don't have to produce much power.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I was hoping to use it to recharge 12 volt batteries.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narsham: 'It's possible, but you might want to get some practice with small engines first. Chances are you could find a somewhat local group to help you out, and they might get excited about your idea as well.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'so you build a turbine the size of a hangar to produce enough electricity to charge a D battery.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, that D battery weighs about 140 lbs though, and is rated at 135 amps or so'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'picked up 8 of them for $100 :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narsham: 'According to the website I just found, you can charge a 48volt bank from a steam engine only about the size of a human. Or two. http://otherpower.com/steamengine.html'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'planning on recharging the batteries with my solar panels, but building a steam engine would be a cool project to try.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, thank god twinkies are back!'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now I can make my double deep fried chocolate covered with nuts and caramel sauce twinkies'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... and they are allowed in the military now, as well'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the MREs ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no... in uniform.  OHHHH!  You ment the 'snack cake' twinkies... not the OTHER kind'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, you _would_ know about the twinkies in uniform......:p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'true storry:  I was sitting on a log next to a guy of a field excercise somewhere around 1999... he opens up hist MRE to find [at they time fairly common] bag of M&Ms... he opens them up, and of course, they are mostly powedered - BUT... he has a WINNING wrapper for $10,000!!!!!!....  trouble is, the contest was for the sponsorship of the 1988 Seoul Olympics, and the contest had expired 7 years prior'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'M&M Mars did not pay out, but they did send him a pallet of candy bars and such worth around $500.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that sucks'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I won a 28 foot bayliner boat once....but by the time the letter informing me of the win arrived to where I was, the deadline had passed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'plus I was 14 at the time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'now... for the conspiracy people (note:  I did not say 'conspiracy nuts') out there... if you were in charge of managing a multi-million dollar promotional contest... wouldn't YOU make sure that the winning wrappers got sent to be put in MREs... you KNOW that they won't get openend for at least 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the people making the MREs just grabbed regular packages of the candy from a supplier.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there were SEVERAL stories about winning candy wrappers for expired contests over the years.... truth is, those candies likely ended up being sent to the government BECAUSE they had passed their shelf life, or they had out of date designs (like contest wrappers)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if that new MRE bread will last forever......'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the military spent over $50 million developing that new bread. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it sure last along time... a shame really... here's a piece of mircle shelf stable food that sits pattiently in a brown/tan wrapper for YEARS only to be tossed in the trash when it finally gets opening.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people need to stop being so damn picky...and just be thankful you have a damn MRE to eat...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually, if not for the VERY strong bitter baking powder after taste taste, it'd be pretty good.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Narsham: 'Hot sauce.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it dod debute alongside blackberry jam packs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which are pretty dang good'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chili mac mre was kinda bland to me....had to add hot sauce to it....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'best thing EVER in an MRE, though, were the dehydrated strawberry and peach packs (dehydtrated fruit cocktail - not so much)... they were only in MREs for the first two years, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they went away the same time that the Wayne chocolate and vanilla bars went away... the wayne industries candy bars where the only part of the old C-rations to make the cross-over to MREs'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still have some boxed mres with cigarette packs in them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'affectionatly refered to as "john wayne" bars.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '4 cigarettes per pack'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there were never cigarettes in MREs'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'C-Rats, perhaps?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'these are vietnam era food packs'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so prob c rats'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'C-Rats, then'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'MREs came in around 1984-85'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the stuff is in cans'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is your least fav mre ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'though we were still eating C-Rats as late as 1986... they had quit making them in anticipation of MREs, so by the time MREs arrived, the C-Rats that remained were at the very tail end of their shelf life.  '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are so many different meals now, it's hard to nail one down... of the original 12-menu list, though... ham and turkey loaf'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'followed by chicken ala king'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'favorite was beanies and weinies, and hambergure patty'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'pork patty wasn't bad, either.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'heeh, tried the cajun rice one...didnt like it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'churches chicken made better cajun rice then that mre.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they change out the menus so much now that you could go weeks without a repeat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I loved the beef stroganoff one though...'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Full of MSG'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AND there are all the mamby-pamby meals as well - vegetarian, vegan (yes they are different) islamic/jew (same menues, ironically, and all kosher). low calorie menus, high protien... on and on '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the begining, an MRE had only one goal... to contain a minimum of 2,500 cal... now, I think they are around 700-800.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Of course MSG nightmares are not a problem for the miltary'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'worked on a military base back in my college days, and ate at the base food location.....I enjoyed the food quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I loved the lubys style of food.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it was designed to be eaten twice a day under heavy combat conditions... but ended up being eaten three times a day whilst loafing around out in the woods'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'made people fat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 5 colors of jello was cool.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the pies were surprisingly good....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is all base food pretty much the same ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've never had too many complaints about army food... I was in mostly during a time where if the food was not up to snuff for a few days... they mess sergeant got his ass jacked quick!... now it's all don't-give-a-shit contract food'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I mean, like if you go to mcdonalds anywhere in the world it is the same......is it like that with military food on the bases ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, back in the early 90s, I loved it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as there are subtle differences between McDonalds around the world, there are also subtle difference with army food... but it's about the same difference'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and the menues are all the same... used to be, anyway.  '
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Elmendorf air force base seems like it would be in a bad location......'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'noodles with hamberger and tom sauce with cheese.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only way to get to the base from Anchorage is across that damn bridge....'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'richardson, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but you forget... they have planes and helicopters'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bed time'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'true, during the zombie invasion....blow the bridge...and protect the bases :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'night :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the average salaries for plastic surgeons ranges from $360,000 to $450,000 per year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a small number of U.S. prisons are dealing with riots after inmates complained about the influx of foods sent to them from military dining facilities. Inmates have said that the food constitutes cruel and unusual punishment on their digestive tracts.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'rofl awsome'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'man....the army is testing a new food plan that bans soda, and desserts at 5 of its bases in the US.....no more cakes, cookies, pies, jello, soda, short order cooks, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would hate to be at one of those bases.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jello is a freaking staple at military bases in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-09-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'every year, 1,200 overweight enlistees are given the boot before the first term of their contracts have even expired.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'north carolina to abolish income tax, north caroline to declare independance from california'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, what?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'north california'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'typing with my mouth open'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are they planning to secede to Oregon?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than that, 73% of liberals oppose syrian intervention, drudge readers voted 92% against, and general polls are running between 66 and 92%'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'independant, i think'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't say i blame them'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'south california is a sack of fake liberal tardcake'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'now how far south are they calling North California'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'hey! it's not that bad just full of hipsters'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ah, well, they can't.  Only the state of Texas has the legal right to secede from the Union, and you can't become a state without a special vote in Congress.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are NOT hipsters'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'eh thats what they call themselves'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'go to silverlake you'd be nodding in agreement'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are a mixture of extremely fucking stupid people, nanny-state 'moms', interfering old battleaxes, and retarded celebrities'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't want to sucede from the union, only split from california'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same with north colorado'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'right, but you can't just separate and become your own state.  You have to get Congress to let you in.  Colorado, perhaps, might have enough votes to rally, but I doubt libs will let part of their biggest bloc switch sides.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'oh its Sisikyou county, I wouldn't mind them leaving'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where are all the rabid anti-war democrats that were foaming at the mouth in 2003 when GWB went to war in Iraq?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'they kinda forgot about Afghanistan due to us "leaving" Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're going to war, Tiger.  Sentiments in Congress are never about principles, only capital.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you know something is suss when the people most vocal about not going to war are Pat Buchanon and Rush Limbaugh'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Karang: 'makes me almost want to listen to Limbaugh that sounds rather amusing'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know it is completely fucking suss when John Kerry announces that the Arabs have offered to fund America toppling assad'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you know your president is in trouble when he comes out with bullshit like "We would be letting the world down if we don't attack"'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i really want your senate and congress to oppose this, but i'm not holding out much hope'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Wing Commander Wallace died :-('
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I tink this who syria issue has give Obama a bit of a reality check'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'doesn't keep him from meetnig with GLBT leaders in Russia, though'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully it'll give him a bloody nose and send him on his way, and hopefully it'll get the libertarians in the GOP and the Democrat party to kick their respective parties in the balls'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'err, why is Obama meeting with Gay, Lesbian, Bi, and Trannie leaders in Russia?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'nothing is going to "send obama one his way" except the calender.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he went to meet with putan, but was not recieved... so he found someone else to meet with'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wait... not finding any validatoin for that...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'heard it on RL, and didn't verify befor parroting'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't hear that'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like the kinda of commie thing he'd do'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'OK... hasn't happened yet, but is on the schedle for later this week while he is at the G20 in Russia'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/04/white-house-confirms-obama-lgbt-meeting-g-20/2763099/'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I am betting the washignton deadlocks on approval for bombing syria'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they will, enough of them have been bought off'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it IS only a simple majority required, but the Army has been piping up a bit saying "we don't want/can't fight another war - we're really tired."  '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more the point, it's not their job'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so the question MIGHT become - do we day poke the bee hive if we don't have a way to escape (as in an effective army to back up the action)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'day = dare'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why bother? what's it supposed to achieve?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you launch missiles, you at least have to be prepared to back it up.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think it's the swiss and swede's turn to give the spankings.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's not the fighting that we have to worry about, thanks to Iraq.  Syria's been fighting already, but if the US were to drop in they'd probably just melt away to let the US win a fake war, saving themselves for the nation-building that comes after.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there's always plenty of profit to be found around nation building'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the porta-potty contract alone is worth a couple billion dollars'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'nation destroying is faster :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya.. but you have to kill everyone while you're at it, or you end up having to buy them a whole new nation'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I think there is a chance that congress will not approve the strike, and it will be the first step back into a period of isolationalism for the US'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mrs Hullingsworth is a democrat politician in Colorado that believes you don't need guns because the legislature will keep you safe, if you live in Colorado and want to go and laugh in her face, please do so'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, love adding chili powder to my soups.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, boiled bar s chicken/pork/beef hotdogs with a plain white bun, hamburger chili, raw onions, relish, and nacho cheese sauce'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, a bacon egg and cheese hotdog.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'swiss or american cheese?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'smoked cheddar'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only thing you're missing for a mountain man on the go is the hashbrowns.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'eating a hashbrown is like eating an unsalted french fry.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corn beef hash hotdog with ketchup.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'corn beef is good'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'so is pastrami'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'and then have some melted monzzarella over the corn beed or pastrami...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the only problem with the corned beef is the sauerkraut.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The only thing good about corned beef is the sauerkraut'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'how about flavoring the meat with some thin steak sauce'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'depends on the meat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, a $6 hotdog...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: '$6 for one hotdog? you must have a ton of extra on top'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they have a $600 hotdog, I think.  Might be even over a thousand.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they even have a hotdog that's 3 feet long.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol at the price, I would rather just buy the dogs and the buns from the supermarket and make several of them myself.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'ohh super long hot dogs'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that makes more sense'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'still like those plump juicy ball park franks'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the fancy one has all kinds of rich-people food toppings on top, like caviar, some sort of superfancy dijon mustard (even more fancy than grey poupon!), truffles, and high-end chocolate shavings.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hot dogs are great, but I think I love cheeseburgers more....'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I even love the burger king whopper jr with cheese....good burger.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'pretzel buns are great for burgers'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and hotdogs, for that matter'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in and out makes a damn good cheeseburger also.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kaltas is agreeing with that Rizgoth person again...
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'and bad fries'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kaltas: 'They aren't bad if you ask them to cook them longer.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i like burgers with melted cheese on top and a fried egg on the bottom of the beef patty.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Lowlands has gross fries. Who the fuck puts a glob of mayo on top of their fries?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you wanted egg foo young, could've just gone to a chinese place.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'eating fries with mayo was really popular in the 80s'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'What happened?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'healthy-eating took over'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was terrible, almost got our BLTs...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh man, I used to love those mc blts.....hot on one side, and cool on the other.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'where from do the maggots and parasites often found in burgers, hot dogs, and sausages come -- the fastfood employees and or the food manufacturers and or the ingredient suppliers'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'mayo works nice on ham or turkey or any other meat. However, I think the key is to just use a small amount and then spread it nice and thin.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you hear they're bringing back the chicken wings?  May want to stock up on wings before the price goes up even more.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'golden griddle makes the best crispy chicken sandwich bar none though....not sure if golden griddle survived the 80s.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I never got to have one of those Rizgoth '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'several places tend to overdo it with the mayo and that's all you taste when eating a hero lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I don't think Hemsworth would enjoy me eating him very much...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mcdonalds stopped making the mcblt because of the cost of the sandwich....'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it cost to much to keep the meat side hot, and the veggie side cold.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'are you sure it was that, as opposed to the advertising budget (a la the Arch Deluxe line)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, it was that....that is the reason corporate told us for discontinuing it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mayo with trans-fats is extremely unhealthy'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I liked the arch deluxe. It's just a QP with lettuce and tomato'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it also had a slightly bigger patty than the quarterpounder.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, when it was debuted it did.  Not sure if they later adjusted downwards.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Yeah it did. But now I have to special order a QP with lettuce tomato'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least the shamrock shake was brought back each year....took awhile to get them to bring it back.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I like the eggnog shake'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we sell tons of those shamrock shakes in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Does anyone else's McD's have Bratwurst durring the summer season?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some of those green dyes are suspected of causing cancer'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's probably a special cultural thing, Thraykun.  Where you at?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The midwest'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love those chicken nuggets though...with the honey mustard.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '...haven't heard of that one, but still probably a special cultural thing.  Is your particular part of the MW more associated with those things?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially since mcdonalds changed the spice blend in the nuggets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'McD's tries to maintain the essence of regional culinary tradition, so if the bratwurst has a major holiday all its own in your neck of the woods they'd probably set up a menu for it.  You can get poutine at french-canadian McDs, for example.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Actually scientists found strange black fibers on McNuggets when looked at under a microscope. Possibly nanomachines?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'more likely someone's hair.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'No it was not consistent with hair.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'perhaps even a weave.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kaltas: 'What about nano-hair?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love blimpy subs'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ick, I'd take Penn Station over those any day.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'http://www.naturalnews.com/041646_Chicken_McNuggets_forensic_food_analysis_strange_fibers.html   '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'scroll down to see the pics'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, taco bell dorito tacos'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'don't they say chicken mcnuggets come from spare bird parts?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, it comes from chicken paste.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the same way hotdogs are made, except it is nuggets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'oh the chicken meat is turned into a paste and then deep fried, got it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's real chicken meat.  True, they're leftover cuttings, but it's no different than the chicken you find in homemade chicken noodle soup.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you know that those packaged deli meats that avertise as more naturally wholesome are made using the same processes as chicken nuggets, with the added action to shred the edges of the slice so it doesn't look processed?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'very little of the animal is wasted when it comes to hotdogs or nuggets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'one day I aspire to be on a Campbell's Chunky Chicken Noodle Soup commercial by being a successful NFL player.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'McNugget batter also contains plastic or syllicone'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when it comes to any piece of meat, Riz.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it does not contain plastic.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'like Cut Me Own Throat Dibbler in Ankh-Morpork'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'his sausages contain "pig" '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plastic is toxic, Thraykun.  No government food agency would ever allow it in anything consumable.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: '"plastic" is not a single chemical'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except perhaps China.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'there are many types of plastic'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'plastic-bottled water contains dissolved plastic'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'oh btw, they're allowing China imports of cooked meat apparently. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Syllicone is what it is, it has traces of that in the ingredients'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(silicone)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, yes, Zade, and canned foods input paint-thinner chemicals into the product they hold (they paint the inside of the can with it so the food doesn't stick to the can).'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can eat food imported from china if you want too, but I will pass.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'isn't silicone the stuff that women put into their chests?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, we also seal our bathroom and fishtanks with it'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the dried-paint leakage is less than the (#1)-plastic leakage'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and lots of adult toys and novelties are made with the stuff'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'and the mcnuggets we eat, not to mention the nano fibers it contains.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bohrium starts getting ideas....
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you know, carob is a pretty good chocolate substitute.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they paint the inside of the can so the food does not react with the metal of the can'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'had a carob coated carrot cake donut....was yummy'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'with the huge recycling kick we are all on nowadays, it's entirely possible there's some leftover residue or a stray pube in your food.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'would be far less than all the bugs we eat, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'what doesn't kill you will only make you stronger. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'canned pineapple when opened must be transferred to another (preferably flass) container before the "iron" flavor contaminates the pineapple'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer to dehydrate canned pinapple.....yum'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I make my own trail mix with fruits, nuts and candies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I wonder if I can grow carob trees in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ranching, oil/energy production, gardening, food prep...how in the world do you even have time for Aardwolf, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that some cola-can manufacturers no longer paint the insides of the cans, resulting in more stomachaches to those sensitive to dissolved Aluminum -- and the cola taste is crappier and metallic'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(walter mitty groupee)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hardly log onto aard much anymore, and usually afk :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and most of those things take care of themselves.....except for the gardening part.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(baron munchewsen syndrome)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the food prep....but that stuff is easy.....using time wisely.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(did you know that i'm running a nibbler ranch on the far side of the moon)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont do much ranching anymore...the cattle tend themselves, as do the goats, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the wind turbines up in northwest Texas, the power companies take care of those, same with the oil/gas leases.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I mostly spend my time in the greenhouse now, or prepping for the end that is never going to occur in my lifetime.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nothing like canned rabbit :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'if I need food I just spray the ground with some bird feed and methodically pick them off one by one.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(this is the internet, i may claim to be anything i want (if mendacity is not illegal), (and if i believe that telling grandiose tales is okay, with or wihout a disclaimer))'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'watching these hunting showing with these guys in camo gear laying in swamps covered with alligator crap to pick off ducks is funny'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'just throw some feed, let them come to you, and bam! dinner'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(somebody is watching the "free" Wildlife channels this month)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'or Duck Dynasty or one of the other reality shows featuring hunters'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'growing rabbit is the best way to have meat...no need to hunt, or keep huge animals.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hunting near baiting is illegal in Canada'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'snatching little kids off playgrounds is also illegal in Canada.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if not illegal where you are, tsk'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'the only thing with raising animals is that you might get attached to them'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just name them lunch and dinner....'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'lol sorry I read Charlotte's Web... '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I used to raise squirrels and then just chuck them outside.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'squirrels are delicious....especially the lower half...the upper half has to many bones.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fry em up in bacon fat and lemon pepper.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I don't know, my cat knows how good they are.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Wilbur probably did get turned into sausages, pork and ham slabs, but they don't tell you that in the book. '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that came in the sequel, he made a cameo appearance.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Milliways)'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and considering how fast rabbits can multiply...you can easily get more meat from a pair of rabbits then you could from a pair of cattle'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that is true'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bought a jerky gun....going to try to make rabbit meat sticks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'food process the rabbit meat into hamburger, and add spices, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rabbit meat is "off" and is not as tasty as beef or chicken'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you obviously have not tasted grass fed rabbit then.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'well meat can also be flavored in the preparation process as well'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and sheep or lamb meat: bleh'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'marinating, smoke, etc...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pork chops: double bleh'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'b a c o n!'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bacon soon becomes nauseating'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for you perhaps, more for me.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'seared pork butt is pretty good too'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I buy pork bellies in bulk.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ever had candied bacon, Riz?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my idea of candied bacon is to fry bacon in brown sugar and oil.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'baking it is better.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deep fried bacon with cornbread crust.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'question on bacon'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cornbacon dog'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'do you prefer bacon fried to crisp or just pan fried to a soft and chewy texture?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on how I am using it'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it is a blt, I like it crispy'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'by chewy do you mean rubbery-like, sort of like a perfectly-tender steak?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the longer you cook it though, the more yummy bacon grease you have for making hotcakes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'attempting to chew rubbery gristle is  ycch'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I like it the chewy way.  A little crisp is acceptable, but crispy all the way through like a potato chip is too close to burnt and I patently dislike burnt.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'some breakfast dinner give you like over-fried bacon stripes and it breaks up into pieces when you try to use a fork on it. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'diner i mean'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bacon is meant as a finger food'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'greasy fingers'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I opened up a jar of my canned bacon from 6 months ago.....holy shit yum.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they wanted you to use a fork on it, they'd have given you a bacon steak.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gonna use some hamburger rocks and bacon bits to make tacos tomorrow.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should keep a couple cases of hamburger rocks in storage.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ancient egyptians used to make chocolate out of carob.....it was a treat for royalty.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'the last time i had to deal with chocolate, I ended up in Willy Wonka's Chocolate factory and got turned into an umpa lumpa.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oompa loompa'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'you have no idea what trouble i had to go through to convince Willy Wonka to turn me back to normal considering he had the oompa loompas working'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'for slave wages and paid them in chocolate.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'could have turned you into a blueberry.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'speaking of which....should bake up some blueberry muffins....'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'picked up 20 quarts of blueberries from the store that were on sale.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blueberry muffins with cinnamon sugar sprinkled on top after they are dipped in melted butter.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'Blueberry Muffin.... yummmm'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'to me, I think berries are too strong if you eat em raw'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'try them dehydrated....then eat them raw that way.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'but yea if you turn them into a paste or jam, and then haven them in a muffin or pie. They're great.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like to blend them and then mix into the muffin batter.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'blueberry strawberry muffins also'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'or blend that in with cheesecake.... yummy '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chocolate blueberry cheesecake, with 2 types of chocolate.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my moms cheesecake would give a regular cheesecake a heart attack.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'homemade or restaurant-made cheesecake is always better than on-the-shelf cheesecake.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'and then tack on a dab or layer of honey on top of the cheesecake...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or strawberry puree'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if two mentally challenged people have a kid, would the state take it away to be adopted by a regular couple ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'depends on both the state (probably in terms of state law differences, but more likely in the competence of the case worker) and the couple.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Mentaly challenged have raised children before. '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I turned out ok.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'I mentally challenge myself every day.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can see why american indians became so fat.....that fried indian bread is freaking amazing!'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can add protein powder to almost everything.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and get "gout sooner", with a risk of ostioporosis  '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(osteoporosis)  '
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chew on some calcium carbonate'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless that protein is building something healthy, excess protein is dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'extra CaCO3 is not enough'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deep fry it first.'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love instant coffee also...'
T3/r7/2013-09-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'make some hot chocolate and add a scoop or two of instant coffee'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of known votes, congress is currently lined up three to one against the president, and against striking syria.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which means the president is going to have to descend down to the floor and start working it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which will cost political capital that hw wanted to spend elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless he says "screw it"... I'm just going to bomb the crap out of them on my own.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'alternatively he could wait for evidence'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or come up with a different reason'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I really don't think there would ever be any un-ompeachable evidence - which means it's worthless.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he could wait for evidence... and after he gets it, he could wait for better evidence.... after shich he could wait for UN approval.... after which he could consult an astrologist... on and on.... he's supposed to be a decision maker, not a lawyer.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'NOW... on sending this to congress - It really chaps my arse, but it was the technically correct thing to do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but the notion that everyone would just pass it thru was never practical.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'personnaly, I say let the swedes deal with it'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the fins have lined up with russia, so they're out.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'deal with what? Attacking Syria?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'really... what I would like to see is someone else stepping up and demonstrating some leadership on this planet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Very few swedes believe the solution to be bombs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes... that's true... so let them solve it without bombs... I'm fine with that.  As long as they solve it'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Sweden hasn't show any global leadership since Gustav Adolphus'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Sweden is a small country. But who is Adolphus?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Gustav II Adolf?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'gustavaus adolphus... gustav adolf....  '
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'reformation and the 30 years war'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nod, many swedish kings liked to go to war at that time'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and the wars almost broke the country completely in teh end'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yep... wars will do that.  so let them solve the syria issue without war'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'bottom line is that the US doesn't have a deployable army ATM....  we're all tapped out'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'used up... someone else pick up the slack'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I don't know if anyone has a solution for the conflict at the moment.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there are too many groups that has an interest in keeping the conflict going'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'have*'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'perhaps... but there's plenty of folks that have their baskets of rotten vegetable ready.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Like I said the other day = I predict that the US will not act in Syria.  And that it will begin another period of US isolationalism.  Let the rest of the world deal with the problems for a while'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sounds reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'protestors protesting walmart in new york city.... where there is no walmart'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pelosi warns that they might not have enough votes for war. Fucking get in there! :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as predicted'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'of know votes, it is curently 3 to 1 against a strike'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt pressure will be put'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if he pushes ahead regardless, he's done for'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'obama is going to have to personnaly engage... something he has rarely (if ever) done'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think it'll help, it's pretty clear Kerry is full of shit'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he will have to go to congress himself and push push push... and it will cost him political capital that he wanted to spend elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the numbers are that far apart, no amount of pushing will help'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's in the oppositions interest to say no regardless'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the end, conservatives will give him his war, but not before they have stripped him bare, and take all his poker chips'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd be retarded to give him it'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'not if they can beat him down in every other arena... and on top of that, he will have to take the heat for "starting" things in Syria.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is nothing in it for the US to be involved, there is no justification to be involved, and there is no action he can take that will solve anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'precisely... yet he is pushing hard for it'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does that tell you about Obama?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'he is pushing hard for a war that noone wants, that will do the country no good, and will further embroil us in issues that can only hinder us.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a sociopath to me'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and in the process, he will have to trade off everything else that he is hoping to accomplish'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'd be better off just writing it off'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and say congress has spoken'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the -only- outcome that he can actually use to his advantage'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it means he can blame inaction on the GOP'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it will be very painful for america, but in the end, I believe that it will reveal much about obama, and the progresive agenda'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the progressive agenda is to bankrupt the middle class and centralise all power and control in the hands of a few political elite'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I do not, however, understand why he is pushing so hard for a strike.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what the goal of progressives/socialists/communists has always been'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well clearly he's being told to'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes yes yes... but WHY'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the CIA/MIC are telling him to'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... but _WHY_'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in bad news, a filling of mine fell out earlier :-('
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why what?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'what agenda will be served by a strike on Syria?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who profits? (aside from the odd $million per missile)_'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money for the military industrial contract, stirs up radicalism and allows them to further clamp down on freedoms at home owing to 'terrorism''
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'war is good for certain businesses'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't know what we should actually do, but with children being killed by poison gas and something like napalm being dropped on a school, its hard to just sit back and say "ok, let that monster slaughter as many of his people as he feels like."'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'yes yes yes... but openly causing conflict is counter to the public face of the progressive agenda'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which monster, malkar? they're all at it over there'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'syria is mild compared to many african nations'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, vl, that's because the progressive agenda has tried to paint itself as liberal when really it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think of corporate fascism with socialism at the public interface, that's what you have'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'you can't really say he is causing a conflict with the current level of violence.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Assad didn't start this fight, and it' been nearly always the rebels responsible for attrocities, including the 2 Sarin attacks prior to the August one'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ok... so let's pretend that syria is a pail of oil that is burning away... burning, but relatively controled burning... what happens when you throw a firecracker into that pail?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'The other agrument in favor of intervening is tyring to prevent chemical weapons from becoming acceptable.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and throwing some cruise missiles in there will help how, Malkar?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I think the firecracker has already been thrown, Assad is not going to become more violent to his own people.  If he could be more violent the opposition would be dead already.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't his own people, they're islamic extremists from Saudi Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'more so that any of our other recent incursions... Syria is complicated by other national interests... there are Russian advisors and pilots aiding the syrians... what happens when we accididentally kill a couple russians?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I do see the problems with going in,  No clean way to an end, not entirely sure who is going to be in charge when its over.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would have been best would have been not to arm and train the terrorists int he first place'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it may have been Assad would have stayed in charge, but at least innocent people wouldn't have been massacred by Sunnhi nutjobs'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'a good point about the russians.  I'm not really sure how that would turn out.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russians are advising the regime, CIA are aiding the rebels'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is already a proxy war'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if you let it burn, a couple things happen - syria will not survive as it is now... it will descend further into chaos, and eventually anarchy.  That leaves the russians responsible to the world at large for what ever else happens.  Russia is getting a bit to big for its "former soviet britches"'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's pretty much bollocks, VL'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this wasn't caused by the Russians'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which part?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'everyone knows that when the shit hits the fan, it's always the Americans' fault.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'who cares who started it... all any one cares about is who's holding the bag when the music stops'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stop defending the west's bad choice of allies'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and if we stand off... that someone will be the russians'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'not caused by the russians, but they are on the side of Assad, who can't really be seen as the hero here.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a shit situation that the west made far fucking worse, now you're trying to blame the Russians? hardly fair'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to solve the middle east, turn Saudi Arabia into a glass parking lot'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'here's another angle... if we stand off... maybe some other country (like sweden) will step up and take some action.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll nip 90% of the terrorism in the bud right there'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no action that can be taken to solve this'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a syrian problem, let the syrians sort it out'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Did the Arab league vote to allow an attack?  I saw a headline about that, but didn't get more information.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arab league is irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'SA offered to pay for everything if we hit them'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that shoudl tell you plenty'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya... that was pretty foul smelling'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'WOW'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially given that Saudi Arabia have threatened Russia with terrorist ataacks if they don't back down, and some reports lay the source of the Sarin at SA's feet'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if Russia were to nuke Saudi Arabia, i'd not be unhappy'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'until you went to fill up your gastank.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck the gastank, oil can come from elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a boil that needs lancing'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'start importing from Iran again'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'maybe we can get sweden to hid saudi arabia'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ramp up US oil production'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hit'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but you don't get it without severe repercussions if you instantly took a big chunk of the producer bloc out of commission.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt, Hans, but it'd be a price worth paying for world peace'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Has Sweeden even hinted at doing that?  I think France talked about strikes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as well as undermining the excuse the 'progressive's give for persecuting libertarians'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'demand would jump across the board... big oil would reap foreign profits while they can... gas would just cost more'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only thing Sweden has offered is to take the Syrian refugees and give them asylum'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a LOT more.  Forget $5/gallon, we'd probably slingshot straight to 7+, and that's assuming everyone just ignores that we just took a major country off the map.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that it's already $9, no need to worry there'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'point is... everything that has ever been done to stabalize the region has turned to crap... anything that anyone tries in the future to stabalize the region will turn to crap....  so let someone else take the crap for a while'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the place is just a crap hole'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA wouldn't be affected, you have mroe than enough domestic supply that you can ramp up pretty quickly'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most of africa, too, for that matter'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'after an adjustment period the US would be ok we have more supply but only when it gets to $110 a barrel'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already >$100, so it won't make much difference'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll probably have a minor schism as people panic needlessly'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'everything north of south africa, southwest asia, and most of eastern europe... to hell with it all.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yes definetly short term panic.  We are good at that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got two bricks of .22 shells the other day... that was a big score'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'also got small pistol and magnium rifle primers.... all at regular prices'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at regular stores'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay, you gotyourself on the gun registry!'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'on the contrary... paid cash and showed no ID'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I'm sure there was video somewhere, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you have an illegal gun...even better.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NSA database to the rescue'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'no background check on the pistol?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I didn't buy a gun'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I bought .22 bullets and primers'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I have enough guns.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ok I read the history more carefully. my bad :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'well... I have a reasonable number of guns... NEVER enough.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately you'll have those confiscated soon'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and now you're hoarding?  Better make sure your fire insurance is up to date...'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'fortunatly, they have to be 'found out' first... over half of them were purchased in CO pre-bradey bill'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're a vet, they'll come use bullshit psychiatric rulings to confiscate your guns'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the rest I had even before that.  There are three that _might_ show up on a list,'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't see gun confiscation happening here anytime soon.  For the few groups that are confiscating guns (from people who aren't allowed to have them like felons or strict PFA orders) they have a large backlog.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'our local walmart today had a sign up that said boxes of 22 cal ammo are limited to one per customer per day'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, still shortages'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'limited .22 rounds have been the norm for over a year now... they're steadily coming back, though'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got my 1K at academy sports... two box limit... cashier didn't know that each brick had 10 boxes'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would trigger a swat team raid in many places now'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be glad she didn't realise'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but prices were marked per/brick, so I figure that's my two boxes'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'limits were off for most other pistol cal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '.40, 9mm, .357 & .38... buy as many as you like'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and get swat teamed :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'this is S.AL... there's no swat that'll do that'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'lets not go onto how difficult it is to hire people who are even vaguely competent. I have too much to say.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regarding the NY walmart protests?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so here's one.. if pot is legal, and you are doing an interview, can you ask if they smoke pot?  you can ask if they drink or smoke tobacoo'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'you can ask anything you want, really'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'actually, asking for the latter two is patently illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and you can discriminate against drinkers and smokers for jobs... so you ought to be able to discriminate against pot smokerers, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically it should be illegal to discriminate based on any of those'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'you can ask if they smoke pot, it is illegal under federal law, even if there is no chance that you will be prosecuted in certain states.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually... a short research shows that I am in error......'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you CAN ask if they do illegal drugs... that is perfectly fine...  you can't ask about prescription drugs - you CAN ask if they take medication that might effect their ability to drive or operate machinery (a copier, in this case, can be used as the machienery).'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are ways around most of it... you can also inquire about any criminal cases relating to the former'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'd bet a copier wouldn't qualify.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'some places won't hire smokers because they raise healthcare costs.  I'm fairly certain that is legal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I can't operate a copier sober...'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'personally, If I'm the employer (especially if I only have 2-3 employees), I should be able to hire who ever the hell I want, for what ever reason I want'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, you should only be able to hire who we tell you you can hire.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'based on race?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, VL, though if you're going to have 'equality' then you either should be able to discriminate however you see fit, or not be able to discriminate on anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for some discrimination to be legal and other not is just hypocrisy'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'd say yeah, but that'd be racist.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is hiring a hot white chick over a dumpy black man discrimination?  If you can make the case that you did not NOT hire the black because he was black... but rather hired the chick because whe was SOOO HOT, is that still discrimination?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'depends on the job.  Hooters, I think, won a case that determined the primary reason for a job (ie, attractiveness) allowed them to pass over a more-qualified applicant who was not pretty enough.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there may have been a boob job involved, but I don't remember.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'and I think a dentist was allowed to fire his assisant because she was too hot, and thus a temptation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about life style?  not all the catchy headline grabing stuff like pot smoking, or homesexuality, but just how a person lives... If you're from a small-ish town, and of the two applicants, one is know to stay out in the bars till all hours, and often leaves with different women to fornicate - can you chose not to hire him?  I would think so'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'It would make sense that you could, becuase you could doubt his ability to be productive in the morning, but legaly I have no clue.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, you can't.  Many employers do, of course, just like most people jaywalk or illegally download music.  Just because they do things and nobody raises a fuss doesn't mean it's not illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'after all, your employees represent your business... you can have a sayso in how your business is represented.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'take the Army, for example... they sure as hell ask if you drink or do drugs... they even take blood and urine randomly 3-4 times a year.  If you are not properly representing the interest of the US army, you are invited to leave.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this is why many employers require background checks.  Your background becomes a convenient loophole.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'up until recently, that included being openly gay - speaking of gay... how about Texas not paying gay national guard dependents benifits?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they have refered them to the federal government for compensation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'on the other hand, if you come into the interview hungover or drunk or otherwise reeking of booze then obviously they don't have to ask if you drink and can skip to the non-hire part.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but since Gay marriage is not legal in Texas, Texas is not paying for gay marriage benifits.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'off to go make some sawdust'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'BBL'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: '.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'put a smile on put a smile on everyone come on!...before ronald mcdonald got canned and the slogan became I'm loving it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Wow, I need to keep up with the news better. I see that Ariel Castro hung himself.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'to dry or off a window?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: '?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'there will be peace with cuba at last...'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i don't even know who ariel castro is. Sounds like a motor oil brand.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'what makes you think there isn't peace in Cuba now?'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'and it's hanged not hung.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'besides, Ariel Castro has nothing to do with Cuba, he's the guy who kidnapped those women and kept them for 10 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'True, about hanged vs hung. Still, I'm over it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ana, I think Thraykun was making a joke.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'ah :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I find it very suspicious that he suicided, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'unpopular criminals have a way of dying suddenly while in jail.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that's cause he had no women in jail and couldn't last any longer...'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'at his age, that's doubtful :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'It's possible that prison guards or police could of "suicided" him.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Cops get away with murder all the time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'we'll have to take their word that they didn't :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'or he slipped on a bar of soap and hit his head against the toilet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'i'd say Karma was responsible.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, he probably didn't want to bend over and pick up the soap...'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bohrium: 'that would have led to some backdoor entries'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I don't find it at all suspicious that he commmitted suicide. '
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Certain types of criminals just don't survive in prison. The other prisoners who are hardened criminals or lifers already love to get their hands on woman beaters or more especially "chesters" which is code for child molester. Chester Chester the child molester.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'definitely some probing issues...'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'I thought the code for child molestors was short-eyes'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'Chester the Molester, my favorite sick-o :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Well it's different depending on location probably. '
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'strictly speaking he wasn't a child molestor, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'He kidnapped 3 women for like what 10 years? And did god knows what to them? He might be just as bad in my mind.'
T3/r7/2013-09-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnailBot Anaristos: 'well, we don't know what he did, though he probably did something illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone notice that sos john kerry looks like a muppet now?  All that botox has muppetized him.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, the largest volcano on earth is in the pacific ocean....and it is only 25% smaller than the largest volcano in the solar system which is on mars.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wow, how interesting....a guy flying a radio controlled helicopter lost control of the chopper and it sliced his head clean off.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps a homicide (with an overriding remote)'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'tel us what you REALLY think about abortion'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i propose that sentience is necessary for murder'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'an unborn baby is not sentient and therefore its death does not count as murder'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Obama got a kicking at the G20'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NSA finally admits that your 'secure' web traffic is not secure, thanks to a combination of cracking techniques and built in flaws in commonly used systems'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gee thanks America'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can't be flaws if they were built-in.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd be considered flaws if known to the target market'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then there's the story of the 'missing' nukes'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how scarey is it that a bunch of nuclear warheads can be transferred from an airbase that wasn't supposed to have them, without signed paperwork'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'about as scary as knowing just how frequently engine mishaps occur in-flight.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'well they were not suppose to have them, why add more paper work!'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good point, tormat!'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why further incriminate yourselves?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that's how I got the three nuke in my basement'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'oops... did I say that out loud?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'nope, you wrote it down and signed it :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Special Agents Kallen and Hannah have already figured out that those were Russian, so you're in the clear.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now i have to use Tor for everything, grumble'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and TLS for everything else'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NSA won't be happy until the Internet is dead and nobody speaks to anyone else ever'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's absolutely nothing on the internet that security agencies cannot access, either because a convenient (if secret, obviously) way is supplied or through hackery.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'potentially'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, not potentially.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yes, potentially'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'when it the AI cloud coming out'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'just host your own tor server and see how that works out for you'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they haven't hacked everything yet, and there are technologies coming that will turn the tide... for a while, as has always been the case'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if everyone were to use tor and/or encryption it would severely curtail the NSA's abilities'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you choose to believe that, we won't stop you.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it scales up the power requirements, much of the cracking work is still done using brute force'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything encrypted is stored for later analysis, so storage requirement scales up'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by encrypting mundane creates more noise'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and over all, it's better than doing nothing'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ooh, 30 days in jail for raping a student...'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because rape is the democrat way'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'reminds me of that Vermont case where the kiddie-diddler got probation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only whistleblowers, gun-owners, and non-violent criminals get locked up for long periods, part of social engineering you see'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I cringe everytime some rapist gets less time than Manning'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got an idea... let's encrypt every single stinking think we can think of... grocery lists, radio programs, text messages, even plain voice conversations in our living room... we'll create a data burden that is so huge that it will cost trillions to manage!  of course, we'll dang well spend those trillions, USAs economby will crumble, and the Muslim brotherhood will assume power and impose sharia law across the globe... starting with sweden'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys might be tempted to take the mofo's down before you get to that stage'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm down with that, IKEA is the devil.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you all seem to like taking it up the chuff, so maybe not'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I can think of a few bitches in the neighborhood that will look just fine in  a hijab'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ugly bitches?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'might finally shut them up'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ugly AND mouthy'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think this conversation got about as un-pc as it can...'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the kind that strut because their SOOO fat!'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're probably closer to the pakistani version than the taliban version.'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they the sort to wear short t-shirts where you can't tell whether they're fat or just pregnant?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'they wear the kind of t-shirts where you can't tell well their boobs stop, and the fat gut starts'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lovely'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you tried steralising them?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and lycra up to their butt cracks... which is to say, it''
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and lycra up to their butt cracks... which is to say, it's more butt crack than lycra'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think will happen when the war bill fails?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I wonder how they'll deal with genital mutilation'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'a hajib is tame compared to the rest of the charia tools for controling a beligerant woman'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're mostly jewish, would GM even be necessary?'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'for the women, yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good thing about that is if they come telling you what to do, put a cap in their islamic arse'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and face cuttings for the girls who are too pretty'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, we don't have caps here, so we have to get creative with crossbows/bows+arrows, molotovs etc'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in extreme cases... removal of ears, and even in extreme cases (as in one step shot of just executing them) taking their noses off'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and then there's always acid... a favorite of sharia enforcers everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and russians)'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'russians use acid?  I never knew that was one of their hallmarks'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happened to some guy in the opera company'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unless you're talking about the LSED variety'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'LSD, even'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sharia law ain't pretty... and it will take some serious adjustments for americans to cope... but they eventually come around'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sharia law probably isn't any worse than any other brand of authoritarianism, such as the one we're all headed into'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same shit, different justification'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're just having your rights and freedoms trampled because some invented man in the sky said so rather than some god wannabe who has more money than you said sop'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'religion and big governments are almost identical'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I might have mentioned that I volunteer at my daughter's middel school cafeteria from time to time...  I'm the guy who takes the finished trays from the children when they are done with them, scrape them into the trash, and set them in bins, and set them into the washer (the actual job of pushing the button to start the wash cycle is a union job, and off limits to volunteers).............'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'today, another fellow that volunteers brought in a portable truck scale (four pads that each of the four tires is driven up onto).  He set them up, and we laid a piece of 3/4" plywood over them, and put all the garbage cans on top of that.  He then zeroed it out, and lunch began.........'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'each child was getting about 14oz of edible food in their meals - at the end of lunch, there was 8.5oz of food waste per child - right at around 60%'
T3/r7/2013-09-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that doesn't include liquid waste like half drank milk cartons'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, even the pope has taken the side against Obama and Syrian war'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is Senator Graham (neocon warmonger and corporate stooge that the teaparty are trying to unseat) warning of a nuclear strike on South Carolina a day after news report of nuclear warheads being moved there (illegally) from Texas?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'he's probably trying to get attention, or he's just a bit crazy'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they have moved nukes there'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that much is confirmed'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're also trying to 'recall' McCain in Arizona, and good job'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'who's McCain?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'McCain is a brand of oven chips, but he's also a pro-war neocon fascist fake republican from Arizona'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'what's a neocon?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'On the topic of pro-war, when did Obama suddenly become one? '
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some definitions of neocon:  Originally used to describe left-wingers who crossed the floor, neocons are on the authoritarian right, rather than the traditionally conservative libertarian right. They tend to be very pro-war and adopt the mentality of "We're better than you and we know it." '
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Or is it just that he likes to kill people?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Criminally insane spenders that believe in killing brown people for the new world order. Huge Orwellian government, unfathomable amounts of spending, bomb tens of thousands of people to death to rearrange the globe. Take the worst aspects of the liberal and conservative positions and combine them into one and you would have a NeoCon."'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a similar description of them are "corporate fascists"'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why is it right, according to Obama, to kill people in syria to show that it''
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'is wrong to kill people?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because Obama is a Neocon'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not right, he's just showing his true colours'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his corporate masters have decided that there will be WW3, it's the only thing that can disguise the economy collapse caused by their raping of it'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'At least most leaders in europe disagree with him so far. Except for denmark and france.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'it's wrong to kill people unless you have a good reason'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Killing to show that killing is wrong, is wrong. That's why I am against the death penalty as well.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, not true ranrr, UK and Germany leaders agree with him, just don't want to commit'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the biggest problem here is Saudi Arabia, that's who is driving this'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And, taking the moral highground for 'chemical weapons', seems weird coming from a country that is the reason we made those international laws.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the point of having a UN if you ignore it when it suits you?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the UN is very broken, but if the US wants to ignore them, they should just leave the organisation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, hopefully this will lead to a bit of a bump for peaceful libertarianism in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the libertarians can seize control of the GOP then it's on'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rest of you will have to put a peg on your nose and put up with some of the crazier religious aspects of the teaparty and work with them'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I doubt it. Obama is  very good at public speaking, I bet he will convince people that an attack on Syria is needed and justified.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he won't :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not sure they're even going to vote on it because it won't pass'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It will pass.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'how do you know it will?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, they're constantly canvassing them, it won't pass'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Obama is not stupid. He made sure to get a positive vote beforehand.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the congress know that if they pass it, they're history'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why UK backed down'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hopefully, I am wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they do pass it, they're history in 2014 and WW3 starts'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they don't pass it, Obama has 2 options'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'what are those options?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'At least Obama got a lot of critizism when he visited Sweden this week. Except from the stupid Danes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his 2 options are attack regardless: he gets impeached and democrats become unelectable, ww3 starts'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'options 2: backs down, everyone goes back to sleep'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Actually, I doubt an attack on Syria will start WWIII. Russia is not that stupid, they will back off.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia and Iran have already said they'd intervene'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It will probably prolong the cold war, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China are mobilising'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i really do hope they do intervene'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thiazzi: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If they do, it will be by proxy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you want to live in a world where the world bully decides to ignore the wishes of everyone else and destroy countries?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'against the will of their own people?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't just carry on letting these people that are supposed to represent us get away with this stuff unchecked, at some point they have to be told "NO"'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it's called "getting a grip"'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess I am just hoping that the US will some time mature and start acting like an adult instead of a kid. '
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, well it might be the fallout of this causes them too, i've already laid out what i think is the best chance of that happenin'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The chemical weapons in Syria was a false flag anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maube another world war is needed for that, but I hope not.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but americans are generally lazy and stupid (much like the rest of the public)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so stuff won't change until shit gets real'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Since the US doesn't abide by international law anyway, they have no right to be a world police because of these accusations.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take a different example - people have been warning about federal overreach, spying, snooping, recording for years. it's only when shit got real there was a public outcry'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there won't be a public outcry about the militarisation of the police and the deploying of fema until people start getting shot/disappearing'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there won't be an outcry about obamacare until people can't afford healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there won't be an outcry about the mishandling of the economy until people start struggling to fund eating'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you could say that people are asleep, it takes a lot for them to wake up'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Except that I don't think that public healthcare is bad, you are probably right.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'public healthcare isn't always bad, but it is when you make it a corporate monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is what is causing the UK system to start going bankrupt, and is what will happen with the US system'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I don't agree with public healthcare mandates'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You don't believe that healthcare should be tax financed, or just that healthcare should only be available to those that have money? Or both?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in USA's case the best solution would be to have global, very basic care provided universally funded by tax, and leave the health insurance market alone'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Personally, I think that government should provide health care, public transportation, schooling and basic safety (e.g. police and firefighting). Anything outside of that should be private.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe some infrastructure too.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I don't agree with taxes either, so maybe thats my problem. Taxes are theft of my money by means of extortion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's far more complicated than that'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'somebody requires to pay for those armies'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'I don't think a government is needed at all. Anything the state can provide can be provided without it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the case of the USA, the federal government shouldn't be providing any of those things, only defence and infrastruture that enables the states to trade effectively'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The state is government.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Thats correct.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The individual states should decide what items are beneficial to their people to be provided,a nd should only provide those things universally that are agreed upon that cannot be efficiently provided privately, such as those things you mention'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you don't want government, there are some places in africa you can go to.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the USA is too big and contains far too many different environments and varied demography to apply a blanket federal cover to'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Ah the old "if you don't like it gtfo" argument.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not how it was set up, and it fails when you try to impose it'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, just giving you options.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government should offer a safety net'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should also provide police to deal with crimes. By crimes i mean crimes against people and their property, not enforce regulations'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'However, they should not tell you what you can eat, who you can fuck, or who you can marry.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'A government should only do two things for it's people, protect them from force and fraud.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would you need government for that?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't, but it was supposed to ensure that protection was universal'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'constitution was there to ensure the protection wasn't corrupted/abused'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That sounds to me like a really bad basics for a government. Basically, a police state.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, the basis of police was peace keepers'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not there for the government, they're there for the people'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government is supposed to provide FOR the police, not be the police'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same way that the government should provide FOR healthcare, not be the healthcare provider'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(sole healthcare provider)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My comment was for thraykuns statement, btw.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've got a bit bigger of an issue here because we have a small island with a lot of people'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we can't easily push power down to local levels, the infrastructure doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'independent states with widely varying standards and rules can create issues all their own'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'different set of issues, yet, but localised'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Pretty much what my statement means is the government provides the tools to enforce laws against murder and the like'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'But really we don't need government to have things like police and laws.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i always believed that, Thraykun, the law should be a TOOL for police to use... a means to and end, not an end itself'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'can you imagine nevada trying to stem the flood of imegrants from CA, NM, AZ and Idaho if they did away with taxes and ffunded the state entirly with casio revenue, and paid a dividend?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'actually... I don't see AK having much of an imegration issue'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could try, probably wouldn't work too well'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'poor example'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'truth of the matter is that you wouldn't see that much difference'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll see some states collapsing, movement of people, rebirth'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'california, for instance, would implode pretty quickly'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'CA get's alot of federal funds'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also essentially insolvent'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and applies it to no-return programs'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having said that, the UK is insolvent'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Texas could actually do better for itself as its own country rather than a state. Remove the amound of federal taxes people pay and they'd have a surplus'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most governments are... most individuals are, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not!'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've never confused you with "most people" TG'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's only the states with oil that would survive, texas, dakota'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'AK'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the breadbasket states would muddle through and be ok'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Guess who wouldnt allow that?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the neocons/corporate fascists won't allow it'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means the federal government won't allow it'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Liberals are driving everyone out of their own states. We might have a new Colorado and California out of all this.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the federal government at this point are an entity who are thrashing about to save their own skins, it has nothing to do with the welfare of the coutnry'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA can be saved. the UK is more difficult proposition'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Liberals? In the US? There are no liberal politicians there, or am I missing something?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, fake liberals'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're really just authoritarians'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Yeah those. The statists.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the meaning of "liberal" is different in most of the europe'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, dagnir'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberal is always seen as government enforced'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, it does here. our liberals are usually right-wing economic neo-liberals'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'talking about small state etc'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, places where democracy hasn't rotted yet because it hasn't been there long enough'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The only thing they are liberal about is the "right" to kill the unborn.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'fuck em. i vote social democrat'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'heh, afaik abortion is legal non-issue pretty much everywhere in europe'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no liberals in UK politics, nearest we have is UK independant party which is socially conservative'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'labour is pretty liberal, isn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'authoritarian, socially conservative, fiscally conservative'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'originally it was authoritarian, socially conservative, fiscally socalist'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK we have the same problem as the US - two opposing parties which are the same with different branding'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'The U.K. needs a better Ron Paul than David Icke'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, anyone who pops up like that instantly gets demonised by the establishment'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very difficult to get traction without a crisis'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least if the US pulls it's socks up and goes back to state empowerment, i could have somewhere to run to :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "weak" Federal government, as desired by Tigernuts, may be likened to the "weak" UN, with the UN member nations acting like UN "states", with each "state" doing their preferred local tyranny and run by local despots'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if each state, each county, each municiality, were permitted to do their thing, local tyrannies and local intolarent oppressions, are more likely to abound'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so knee-jerk weakening for the sake of weakening (the Federal government) is likely to degenerate into local anarchies as intolerant greedy perverts do their local thing opressing others'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are rich and advantaged usually want less rules to apply to their greedy activities, while being protected by the state, so they may hold onto their ill-gotten gains '
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The UN is weak because of the veto, and because it is run by military power.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the UN were "strong", then hell-on-earth is likely to result, when merely a few humans running the UN to botch things and spread oppression with their "vision of the nw world order'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that believe in the Rule of Law by a few are also believing in Rule of Oppression by the opinions of a few'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If the UN actually represented the will of the citizens of the world, instead of the will of the military powers of the world, they might become more relevant and useful. I don't see a huge risk of the UN turning into a world government.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: '.....you don't see a risk? All it would take is a change of leadership and opinion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that believe that local governments are likely to be more competent, merely require to look at the inane incompetent opinions expressed in this debate channel (some local governments may be okay. masbe, but likely most are going to degenerate into incompetent oppressive local governments) -- similar to how most world nations are incompetent or oppressive or defective)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, Thraykun, it wouldn't. The UN has no resources, and if it was a democracy, the risk would be minimal. Unless that's what people want, and gave them the power.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Your scenario implied the idea of the UN being a world government. It would have to have resources to do that yes? Like blue helmet soldiers and shit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course not.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I just want a UN ruled by the majority opnion, not by whoever has the most weapons.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UN is not supposed to be a democracy -- else a majority of despotic nations is likely to vote for their greedy intolerant options'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And that's why the UN failed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the purpose of the UN is to ensure that member nations are able to voice their concerns'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And it failed, miserably, with that purpose.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'An organization based on military power can not be used for democratic purposes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'without the UN, the member nations are likely to voice their concerns in local squabbles, violently in some cases'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'A democratic UN would work much better.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Majority rule? Fuck no.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer democracy in government. If you don't, that's fine.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'what if the majority disagrees with you?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'and votes against your rights?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If they do, I'll have to abide by the majority. That's how things work.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'What if the despot ruler decides I have no rights?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Literal democracy is a good path to dictatorship. A representative republic prevents this.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'or at least does a better job of preventing it'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, the UN is not a representative republic.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'It's also a faliure.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UN is not a failure'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes. Because it is not representative.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's easy to ignore a UN that doesn't represent the wishes of the people of the world. It's harder to ignore a UN that does.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UN represents the desires of the rulers of the member nations, not the peoples'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'No, it doesn't.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It represent the desires of a few rulers, if they can agree.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently in most countries, the desires of the rulers are those of a select few (includes financial conglomerates and those few they report to, not the majority of the peoples)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the "people" will give leadership to who ever promises the most free chicken...  democracy's biggest flaw.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the other flaw of true democracy (as opposed to representative) is the will of the majority vs the will of the minority'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ask a group of 6 nazi and 4 jews what the country should do for pass-over, and let them vote on it....  The nazi will vote to gass the jews, and that'll be the end of pass-over.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's why we have constitutions.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as well as "representative" democracy....'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'we send representatives (liars, cheats, and all other manner of vile politician) to washington NOT to vote how we want them to vote, but to represent our, and the nations's interests (at least that's how it's SUPPOSED to work)... presumably, that keeps the jews from getting gassed.... AND it keeps bacon on the cricery shelves.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'grocery, even'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bacon is not kosher'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'correct... if the jews were a majority, and everything were decided on majority votes... there would be NO bacon'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'if the nazi were the majority, there would be jews... etc etc etc'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'wouldbe NO jews, that is'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'dunno about that. you can't buy bacon in tel aviv?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'stay with me here... it's an illustration.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't know if you can or not... I know you can't buy it in Mosul'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'or taji, or hebron'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'undeniable proof - in every instance of teen-violence in the past 17 years, there was a common and contributing factor in every case....'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in ever case, the perps were know oxygen breathers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so there you have it... O2 leads to violence in our schools'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'did you also know that the number #1 cause of death is birth?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Correlation does not imply causation'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm very sure that if you did not undergo birth you would not die'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so there is causation'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'get, use turn twist bend....  on and on and on'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'syria is already soooo stale.  Americans have been inoculated - no one cares - obama did not have to put his nobel peace prize at risk - congress got to act tough against obama - end of story.  anything left to play out after this is pure pointless drama'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hmm, someone's advertising credit card debt forgiveness on the radio.  They've traditionally offered it to anyone with $10,000 or more in ccd, but this advert expands that to those with a mere $2000 in ccd.  Guess that's a good thing, in that more people are kicking down their bad debt issues and taking away their business?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how is it a "good thing" to slide out from personal responsibility?  how is it a "good thing" to act with no regard for consequence?  how is it a "good thing" to let OTHERS should the burden of your own personal irresponsibility?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'should - shoulder'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'Generally speaking, it isn't for grown ups.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'no sir.. I do not believe it is'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'was respond very late to Hanslanda's comment about CC debt forgiveness.  'debate -h 10''
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when you rack up $2k in CC debt, and then walk away from it, it has a negative impact on the rest of the population... that debt doesn't just turn into pixie farts.  It gets spread around to the people who do pay.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'Oh, I see, yeah I think it also has more to do with credit being harder to get on that note.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'that advert is a scam'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'how about the one to settle with the IRS for pennies on the dollar?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'ditto'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the IRS one gets advertised on some pretty solid radio stations.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'you will owe the irs/credit card nothing, but owe the scammers $$$ and they will break bones'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and is endorsed by some pretty solid radio personalities.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'radio personality and solid is an oxymoron'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ahh yes... I see where you're going... pay us $1,000 and we'll make $2,000 in CC debt go away'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debt consolidation loans are also pretty harsh'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'you get lower monthly outflow, but you incure a huge intrest load spread over a very long time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'The next crisis will be caused by the ulimited borrowing on unsubsidized loans that get defaulted on'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Somewhat (only) more legitimate. At least you can usually get a loe=wer total interest rate'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that hasn't already happened?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Somewhat (only) more legitimate. At least you can usually get a loe=wer total interest rate'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'But there is no such thing as a free lunch, only suckers who believe in it, and one born every minute'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so do all americans think canadians live in igloos and ride polar bears or wat'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'They do'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'who '
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Flach: 'But Canada is just the 51st state anyway'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'oh now :-('
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'know'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'but canadians gained their independence'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'some Canadians do live in igloos :>'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'it might be the case that they don't know they are Canadian citizens, though :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'true but not all canadians'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'can you elaborate'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'all I am saying is that Canada being a huge country might have citizens that are not aware that they are :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'haha i doubt that'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'do you thing that some who have never gone south of the arctic circle are really aware of Canada as a country?'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'think*'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'they do have schools there u know that right'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'I am certain that I am referring to a very small minority, I just think that there are some :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'ah there could be thats true'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the al gore lobby are now blaming the Syrian conflict on global warming'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'California is to start testing digital license plates in a move towards the real time tracking of all cars'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'big mac > whopper'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'PC > Mac'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Pepsi > Coke'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Chevy > Ford'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Charmin > Scotties'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Bandaid > Curad'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Alabama > Auburn'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Footbal (american) > Socker'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and it's > than soccer, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'socker's what they play in sckotland'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '<sigh>'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'American Football is inferior to rugby, but if you want pointless clan-based entertainment to distract you from the fact we're all being ripped off, then FINE'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great, so now the SWAT team killed a 107yr old man'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is pretty damning: http://tv.naturalnews.com/v.asp?v=13EAAF22CDA367BB3C2F94D2CD90EF7B'
T3/r7/2013-09-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'test'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I got a traffic ticket yesterday - I did a 'rolling stop' at a stop sign.  I was guilty.  I deserved the ticket.  But I was completly unprepared for what happened when I went to pay at the court house....'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the original fine was for $55(US).  I was made to pay $110 because, and get this, my crime was "racially motivated" and there for was subject to the 'hate crime' rules that automatically DOUBLE the penalty.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the rational was that I was a white guy driving in a predominantly black neighborhood.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which country is this in'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I did not pay the fine, and intend to sit through a days worth of court proceeding just to make someone from the bench tell me - with a straight face - that I did not stop because there were black people around.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I did find out that I was the 6th or 7th person that had been charged thusly, and it was something they were 'trying out''
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in the end, it is probobly just a revenue generator, using the law in a crative manner to get bigger fines from people who can presumably afford to pay them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Wait. A hate crime because you rolled through a stop sign in a black neighborhood? '
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'What town and state did this happen in, Vonliege?'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'indeed... also, the state attorny's office had never heard about such a thing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'state was alabama - middling size city in the south of the state'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I really don't think it will stick.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's too far of a stretch'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but hey!... if they can squeeze someone for a few extra dollars, maybe they can get some new radios for the cruisers or something.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Countersue for racial discrimination based on the officer's or judge's presumption that because you're white you were discriminating against blacks. The whole thing is too far fetched.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so in that extremely corrupt jurisdiuction, any misdemeanor by a white in a black community is automatically a race-hate crime, even though they did not prove intent (but false accuse assumed intent, without proof)'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: ''intent' is a pretty important word, and what I intend to hang my defense on.  Like I said... it's a huge stretch, and I don't expect it to stick... if it DOES stick, expect to hear about it on the Fox morning news =)'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what news, folks?'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Have to say, Tiger, that think you may have been mistaken when you said a couple weeks ago that there was no evidence indicating that it was the Syrian government who gassed those people.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i said no evidence, i certainly meant no conclusive evidence, and unless something has changed, i still stand by that'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'who cares about how syrians fight eachother'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you dont see us going after the russians because they gassed that stadium a while back'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'We should care. This world really is global now. Nothing remains contained.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is also just as important, elchanan, even had he admitted he did it, so what? still not our business'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'great piss them off then maybe they decide to bring those chemical weapons here'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The world is no more global than it's always been, stuff just travels quicker now'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'certainly doesn't give you justification to go around dominating other cultures and bombing the shit out of them'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gotta love how countiers like to strong arm others into their way of being '
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just such a waste of resources'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you must have our system of (corrupt) government and allow us to plunder your natural resources and exploit your peope!, or, you must worship our imaginary man in the sky and obey our...err... his doctrine and rules!'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but hey i guess dropping bombs and then having to make more helps with jobs'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those two are largely identical, btw, "The Corporate Fascist West" and the Taliban basically doing the same things'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think this might be cover for the fact that inflation is already rising, and interest rates will have to rise?'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'which is a worse way to die getting hit by nerve gas and dyeing in 15 seconds or getting trapped in a bombed build and having it take a day '
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't spose really there's any difference, you're dead'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea true well atleast with bombs people will have more work to do rebuilding'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd prefer for there to be no bombs or chemical weapons, but unfortunately the west has already stuck their unwanted oar in Syria and precipitated the civil war'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best we can do now is leave it the fuck alone'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(since you dislike the Monarchy, you are not permitted to use the royal "we")'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dislike the institution, not the people'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the war machine or the money making  machine no diff pretty much'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(since you are not royalty and since you disagree with the opinions and actions of the (British) Monarchy and since your opinions are unsubstantiated and likely defective, you are not worthy to use the royal "we")'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'obama should be impeached if he goes ahead with that strike'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can use whatever i like thanks, since my opinions are my own and therefore don't require substantiation, are not defective, and i object to people believing they have a divine right to rule over me'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he should be, but he won't be, and he's even been given a get out of jail free card by the russians'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what you you mean about the russians'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not been watching the news? They basically grabbed on a throw-away line that fuckwit Kerry said and basically bought a deal whereby Assad hands his chemical weapons stocks over to the UN in return for not being bombed'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'humm'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'until G W Bush is impeached / convicted / castigated for lies and warmongering, Barack Obama is likely going to use a similar (republican) licence (with impunity)'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'besides, USAmericans like to vote for warmongering leaders  (which is the reason that some republicans are vocal against the USA attacking Syria -- the republicans don't want the Democrats to get the popularity vote)'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i wonder how many people in the us get drugged every year without their consent'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i wonder how many people in the us get drugged every year without their consentl'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ach oopse'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(that is likely the actual reason that Rush Limbaugh is against attacking Syria)'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what on earth is this about? http://tinyurl.com/np55m44'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'there are enough social workers who are convinced that every parent is abusive that every now and then those things happen'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they should certainly lose the lawsuit'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I would certainly think that that issue will be over turned'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'unfortunatly, nothing will be done to prevent the same scenario from playing out a dozen times a day for the foreseeable future'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'child services, thankfully, are overwhelmed with legitimate cases that few offices have the time or resources to engage in that sort of foolery'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'is 'foolery' a word?  I dunno'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'malarky is, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'my children have not had several vaccines... most notably, the one that prevents overian cancer in young girls'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it has a .04% sterility rate.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'young girls con't get ovarian cancer'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'don't *'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate cervical cancer, then'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'not in young girls, but I know what you mean'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the vaccine is for an STD that causes cervical cancer'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'specifically, papillomavirus'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless... I give some creedence to the belief that over-vaccination is a possible cause of the exploding autism rates in the country'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'been disproved'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'hasn't... very difficult to prove a negative'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Wakefield was discredited'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: '"discredited" is putting it lightly'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'more like "shown to be an absolute scumbag"'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'funding and backing for the studies that claim to discredit the notion come from major pharmaceuticals.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'UK government actually'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'which all have a very high interest in keeping those needle sticking babies'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no they don't - it's expensive'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'yeah, and all the crimes he got charged with must've been perpetuated by the pharmacutical companies, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and wakefield focused only on the MMR vacine'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'there are plenty of other pediatritians from all parts of the world who cast doubt on the neccessity, and point to possible dangers of over vaccination'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'debate vost:  "'no they don't - it's expensive'"  you don't think that pharmaceutical companies have an interest in ensuring a maximum number of vaccinations?'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'conspirators usually believe pharmacuticals want sick people, not healthy ones'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'read the preceding two statements'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I don't buy into the conspiracs like "there's a cure for cancer, but it's more profitable to treat the symptoms"... but I also believe that the pharmaceutical companies are interested in profit'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'IC... I was refering to the pharmaceutical companies having an interest in 'sticking babies with needle'... not the UK government'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'as a rule, our children didn't get any vaccines that did not target a leathal, or permently debilitating ailment.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a world of difference between disproving a conclusion and discrediting an entire line on enquiry'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is certainly plenty of evidence to show that we are over-vaccinated, that many vaccines are not as effective as alternative treatments, and evidence that some vaccines, especially old vaccines used in the 1950s,60s, and 70s were harmful'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Pharmaceutical companies are so interested in profit that they lobby doctors to prescribe their products when they are not required'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the trade agreement being agreed behind closed doors by the Obama regime and a number of other countries would outlaw generic drug products in favour of branded, more expensive versions'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'http://xkcd.com/1217/'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'drug companies regularly use inadequate testing and massage efficacy results'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like everything else, you need to put it through bias filters and do your own research'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'butthinkinghurtsohlookthere'ssomecelebritynews'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, look at miley cyrus's fugly body'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kaltas is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'that name keeps popping up recently, he's some sort of actor?'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or she..'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hannah montana, pimping the nations 10yr old girls'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the amusing thing is even people who know me come and talk about whatever "news" they have been reading, when I have told them I ignore almost everything and only check mainstream news to see what people believe is going on :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find with our national news services (bbc) that you get splatters of truth creeping out, but only a few days after they've headlined with the propaganda bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the truth rarely gets the traction'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you'd been in the UK during the 2012 US election, you'd think there was only one candidate, it was hilarious'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods.
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BBC is an authoritarian organisation - it's a parasite, it is funded entirely via taxation'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'goes to figure it'll support big government'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't really follow local election news either, 80-90% of the coverage is  "who is winning this week" instead of "is policy a or b better for the country in the long run", and the rest seems to be half-hearted scandals.'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and if you have a debate, it's "did x or y win the debate", still not about good/bad policies'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, goes with the territory of maintaining the illusion of choice'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm really pissed off about the huge hikes in house prices here as a result of imcompetent government policy'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '''''
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'blind people packing heat in public'
T3/r7/2013-09-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'note sure I can 'see' the sense behind that'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Just now it's reported that Syria accepts Russian proposal to turn over chemical weapons. That's the exact wording on the screen'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bode: 'hehe nice, wonder who they bought them from :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'everyone, It is said that a lot of the base chemicals are common pesticides, and industrial chems.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, Syria isn't exactly an undeveloped nation. They could probably make their own.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the delivery mechanisms are probably just as important though'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'russia and syria would never have hatched that plan if they wern't absolutly in terror of President Obama'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'that was sarcasm, BTW'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'regardless... it's a win-win for the syrians and the russians....   syria gets to (for all intents and purposes) retain their chemical capability, while russia get's to appear to the world as a level headed, moderate peace-maker....'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'and once again we the US looks like asses'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'it's like the kid who calls your mama a whore, then says "Just kidding" right befor you pop his head open with a baseball bat.... if you hit him anyway, you're the bad guy who can't control your temper... if you don't hit him, the other guy still gets to talk smack about you.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Just as parents have stopped imposing dicipline on their children, and indeed, society demands that you not do so, so it is with the world community.  '
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in a typical US classroom, the majority of children are mouthy, irrevernt, and disrespectful...  and the teachers are powerless to defend against it'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'at some point, we 'empowered' our children........'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '40 years ago, when I went to a family gathering with my parents, the children were kept outside untill the adults had all been thru the food line... then, the children got to come in, get their food, and go back out.  TODAY, the parents (and grandparents) all hustle about getting plates prepared for the royal children, and THEN the rest of the adults eat.  All the way backwards.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yep, but there were probably fewer adults and more children 40 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'and you probably got cuffed and blamed for wrong doings, not have your parents looking who they can blame for your mistakes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the world has changed -- we value them more because we see less of them'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'when I take my family to a gather ing now, my children know well enough to stand back until the adults (especially the elderly) have all gotten their plates.  I catch A LOT of crap for that from the other parents, and even their grand parents.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'Swalec:  I'm not sure I can go along with the "see them less" argument - that, if it exists, is a self imposed issue.  When I was a child, many parents had to travel for work, or spent 12-14 hours a day just to put food on the table.  Today, so many parents are home on their asses, and jobs are much more centralized.  If people don't see their children, it's because the children are allowed to run feral.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and most people, though they may hold a conservative view on world affairs, want to be views as "the cool parent" at home, and by their peers.  They want to be seen as egaletaria and generous.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'sentiments that invariably lead to a rotten child.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'so it is with the world stage today - the world at large is unwilling to meter out discipline, and so 'childish' states like syria run unchecked, breaking things, and doing what they want.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And the teenage bully (US) is trying to use violence to solve problems, which never works'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'the US is certainly not the teenage bully... and sometimes the child needs a good paddling. '
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'but countries like sweden wouldn't understand paddling.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Either it's the bully or one of the kids'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sweden was the bully in the 1600s, now I guess we are the uncle watching the action'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'and therefor ought not to have a voice either way'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's the kids view.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That new one world trade cender in NYC is a pretty cool building....it was designed to withstand a jetliner impact'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it cost a cool $4 billion to build.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 200 foot concrete base of the building is bomb proof.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unlike the original wtc buildings, which had a steel core wrapped with sheetrock, this new building has a steel core wrapped in 6 feet of high density concrete and then fire resistent foam, then sheetrock.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'inside the steel and conrete core are the staircases, and they are 50% larger compared to the old wtc buildings.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I do have a problem with the 9/11 wtc museum in the basement of the wtc plaza costing $35 per person to visit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'just about anyone that's got anything to do with 9/11 can get the price waived.... any military(active or retired), any manner of first responder, anyone who has ever had to be evaulated for trauma relating to the events of 9/11...  pretty much - if you put your hand to you mouth and gasped when you first saw the news, you can get a free pass.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'seniors, students, handocaped... all can get free passes'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'german and swedish tourists have to pay triple, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the french are banned from going.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'f r e e d o m  f r i e s !!'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bleh, starburst candies are #17 on the top candy list......'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Even with SUV and crossover utility vehicles sales surging, the average fuel efficiency of new vehicles sold in August set a new high for the U.S., according to a new report. Overall, the mileage for new cars and trucks averaged 24.9 MPG'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'ya know... the french can get in for regular price.  At least they'll launch a missile when they feel like it.  The swedes have absolutly zero investment in freedom.'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '24.9 lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another day, another 10k mouths to feed, another day we all get poorer, have our living standards reduced,  and have our aspirations further away'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Sharon Osbourne is back on the X-Factor'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the interests of keep society wholesome and safe, socialism should have a similar social stigma attached to it as paedophilia and murdering kittens'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'You cannot murder an animal'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with supporters having the heads repeatedly struck with a rusty shovel until they realise that socialism as an ideology is fine right up  to the point at which you make it a governmental ideology and therefore are making it forced across a population. They need to realise at that point it's essentially slavery'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialists can murder animals, they can also murder Syrians too'
T3/r7/2013-09-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: '-f portal'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in 2007 climate change scientists were predicting that the arctic would be ice-free by 2013'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and of course they were right? :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so right that the summer ice levels in the arctic are the highest they've been for years'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'did you mean "believers" or "scientists", btw?'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll use scientists within sarcastic quote marks'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'someone could do a research of how the successful predictors gain fame and then fail'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'thicker, thinner, more, less, colder, warmer, wetter, drier, it's all caused by human co2 emissions.'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i mean - you predict something crazy and get famous. just by accident. then you go, milk the same cow.. like peter shiff.. something. and many others'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'like the mystical weather men here - there are some tries every year. and a few hit the jackpot and get quoted next year:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happy police state day, everybody!'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh Bloomberg publishes data analysis that show very strong evidence that the 4 biggest banks involved in the FOREX markets are gaming the system every month end benefitting billions of dollars at pension investors expense'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DaRicoDude: 'The darknet... good or bad'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither, DRD'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DaRicoDude: 'hmm...'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is good or bad is the uses people put it to'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same is true of the Internet, though it's net effect has been corrosive'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DaRicoDude: 'heh, but the existence of it is clearly not for the use of good, but then again there are people that can make changes for the good imo :/'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Internet was corrupted by mass access, and now is being entirely degraded by government/big business'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DaRicoDude: 'I couldn't agree more :('
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people close to the physical market say that dodgy dealings by central banks will ultimately lead to a breakdown in the physical gold market, which will lead to a run'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did I imagine it, or did Colorado launch recall proceedings on two democrat senators who were pro-gun controls then promptly oust them in favour of 2 republicans?'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'in state level government, yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aww, well still, it's a good example of what people have to do, though picking a good candidate to replace them is key'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'I've long been in favor of post-elected-office evaluations with severe consequences for poor preformance.  "fail to make good on 50% of your campaign promises, and go to jail for 1 year per broken promise"'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bode: 'so 95% go to jail for 10 years?'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably a bit harsh, however it should be common practice to measure them up to their promises, and recall proceedings should be used'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'trouble with recalls is that "I didn't have time to make good on my promises", and "knee jerk recalls" would be common.  I say once you elect a person, your stuck with him for the term.  But then you should have the option ot punish liars'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this shows some of the problems with allowing pharma corps to lobby government: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xv_IaLHwgAQ'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe a recall after half their term then, and only 1 possible unless felonies committed'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'most US politicians seek multiple terms, and most terms are fairly short.  Two years for representatives....  I think that, baring a fellony, or GROSS breach of trust, a politician should have the benifit of his entire elected term to try and make good on the platform which got him elected... but knowing VERY WELL that there was a piper to pay at the end of his term.'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'otherwise, the hudled masses being somewhat fickle, and pretty dumb to boot, would be seeking 'justice' at the first sneeze.  '
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vonliege: 'politicians should live in fear of the people... but they should not feel compelled to vote for every entitlement bill that comes up for a vote lest they be recalled and stoned.'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then replace the jail term with a firing squad'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Muslim Brotherhood supporters are going around in gangs in Egypt charging Christians protection money'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then misinterpreting the quran in order to justify it'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'help start ww3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-sdO6pwVHQ'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'anyone have an item that has inside job in the name?'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, no'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder how it feels to be a US president who owes his political future to the Russian president'
T3/r7/2013-09-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Karl Marx for president, 2016! Good night and enjoy what remains of your National Police State Day'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's a weird world when putin is the voice of reason in world politics...'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Undertaken Analogue: 'you are putin me on?'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) DaRicoDude: 'Should I have friends :/'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bloody BBC'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in addition to being shit, I just had to shout at them for 'moderating' a post on a debate about Syria today'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and btw, http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/12/emails-ois-lerner-specifically-targeted-tea-party/'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuckin liars'
T3/r7/2013-09-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, we had a tree expert come check out the pecan trees on the ranch, and he said they were about 180 years old....1830s....That is amazing, and they still produce about 250 lbs of pecans each tree per year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no drought in boulder'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be global warming, everyone go live in a mud hut and give your worldly goods to Al Gore'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Feds are now going to monitor your credit card transactions..... just to keep you safe, of course'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm feeling safer alrady'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use cash :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i already do for everything except online'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Government Seeking Inclusion of Social and Behavioral Data in Health Records"'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can see where this is headed....'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'yes, I see your file will include a notation on paranoia '
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i won't have a file, since i'm not an American'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already keep such records in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't feel terribly threatened by them since even the doctors have difficulty accessing them'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being angry about the state of things != paranoia, btw'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'why are you angry if your not an american?'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'America isn't the only country which is going down the tube, you realise'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'I do, but I wonder why the only things I've seen you talk abut on debate channel involve America's problems.'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two countries are essentially run by the same people, and suffer similar problems. Quite often the problems are shared or linked'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such is the nature of globalism'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA was also once my choice of bug-out countries'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I guess you have since concuded that if you go down the tubes, we won't be much better :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both going down the tubes'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other people might call it "retire to", or "move to in case of trouble"'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you ask the 100,000's of eastern europeans, spanish and polish who came here after economic schisms in their own countries if they moved because they were paranoid'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i wanted to relocate to the USA for the availability of land, but i wouldn't choose to do so right now'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(even if i could, which i can't)'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in Pittsburgh you cannot park your own car on your own driveway if it is within 30ft of the road'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'thats a little strange.  One town around here won't let you park you car on grass, including your yard.'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the danger of local ordnance'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for local democracy, but i don't think US city ordnances have anything to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 5'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course in the UK they don't need such ordnances, nobody can afford a house'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'in theory they should be the purest democracy.  For some reason people want to control their neighbors yard.  How short they mow their grass, wheter or not they can hang clothes on a clothesline.'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'because all of that affects neighborhood property values'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'your house may be nice, with a well manicured lawn, but if your neighbor has a lawn three feet high with junk cars all over it, the value of your house plummets'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we manage such things without micromanagement ordnance'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'for some reason they never outlaw pouring chemicals on your lawn.'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Athecal: 'it depends on the chemicals'
T3/r7/2013-09-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it mostly doesn't come up, people can't afford multiple cars and don't have lawns to put junk cars on'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NOTICE: Toilet cameras are posted in compliance with DHS code 14.547-C.  Your safety is our number one concern.  Disabling or damaging the camera is a federal crime and punishable by a $7,500 fine or imprisonment of 6 months.  For questions, please call the NSA phone number 1-301-688-6524.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Am I the only one that is willing to risk my safety slightly for improved privacy?'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'privacy is a myth in the computer age.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 's/computer age/police state/'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wenq: 'test'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ranrr's question earlier:  no, you're not the only person willing to risk your safety for improved privacy'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people need to stop whining about flooding....that is how nature recharges aquifers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Colorado gets a little rain, and people whine about it.....1.8 inches in 30min, that is a small rainstorm here in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Oh well, at least two of the gun grabbing senators got recalled.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Colorado should raise its gas tax to pay for all those bridges and roads it now needs to fix because of the rain.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Here in Texas we build roads specifically so that they will flood and drain into the bayous much easier.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'roads last much longer that way.'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'Because roads can only exist with taxes'
T3/r7/2013-09-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aliens are going capture voyager and pinpoint where it came from.....and invade earth.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does Colorado have bayou?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'up and coming Press "Shield" Laws will legalise the abridgement of the first ammendment by only protecting corporate media'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'saw Obama on ABC this morning, what a load of bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'funniest was when he described the Syria situation as being "Not about US vs Russia"'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Summers withdraws from race to be named Fed Chairman'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'defence consultants study finds nearly half of syrian rebels are hardline islamic jihadi's, in contradiction to both the president and John Kerry's public assertions'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The problem I have with the Internet is that its anonymous." - a quote from former NSA and CIA director Michael Hayden'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, room temp shelf stable for 7 years ranch dressing composite......who has the celery ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'culinary history wasn't top on my list of concerns tonight'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet the queen has gallons of it in a back pantry.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention about 1000 cans of spam, considering spam helped win WWII'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spam is an essential part of any long term emergency food storage, along with HP sauce'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hp sauce ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the british version of A1 steak sauce ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'similar in the sense that it's a condiment, yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the brits shouldnt buy hp sauce from heinz.....when they bought the brand they closed down the british factory and moved it to the netherlands.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how are the 'progressives' that deride preppers who live in the Boulder area of Colorado getting on now? Preppers over there should be saying "In your face, bitch!" ...provided they haven't drowned or have their houses and stashes floating off'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Heinz Tomato Suace tastes different these days - worse than before'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when is 'before'?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'several years ago at least'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was changed recently here to remove most of the poisons so they could push it as a healthy product with no additives, haven't noticed any other change'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only an idiot would buy heinz tomato sauce when you can buy a store brand that came from the same factory distributor and costs 25% less.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're different here, rizzer'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that Heinz puts too much sugar in their tomato sauce'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not in the US, most store brands are as good or better than name brands, otherwise no one would buy them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'store brands are 50% of the market now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't say necessarily that store brands aren't as good, just that they're not evitably from the same factory - i know that specifically to be the case here for Tomato sauce as I have a family member who can only eat Heinz since it contains no onion which she is allergic to'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas all the store brands ketchup have onion powder in them'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Heinz tomato sauce is: Tomato paste, liquid sugar, white vinegar, salt, onion powder, spices'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your american recipe might be, ours is not'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most foods are created by huge factories in the US that produce bottled, packaged or whatever else for many big food companies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so all the private label store brands also come from those huge factories.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think we all know how it works, rizzer :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Heinz tomato sauce seems to cause indigestion because of the excess sugar - suspect allergen and or bacterial contamination which feeds on the sugar'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you blew up a food factory in the US..chances are you would stop production for at least a dozen major food companies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rather have real sugar instead of hfcs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no hfcs in UK ketchup'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Hunts makes real sugar ketchup here....and it costs less than hfcs heinz.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sobeys "Compliments" products are often worse than store brands in causing health difficulties, as though they use factory rejects or spoiled produce or monsanto gmo crap'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sobeys "Compliments" beans are near indigestible (like undercooked or gmo indigestible)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pinto beans are the best'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i've heard customers state that they prefer name-brand beans because at least the beans are fully cooked and mushy, and not undercooked like generic brands'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thinking of making some refried beans today for tacos.....going to use some of the dehydrated ground beef and chicken I made 6 months ago.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best off growing/cooking your own'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i'm more immediately concerned about proposed new "Media Shield" laws that will remove the first ammendment from anyone not contracted to government controlled media (essentially)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should make a few quarts of hamburger or chicken rocks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but cooking the Sobeys Compliments canned beans until they are mushy yet causes a slight indigestion -- the natural loose raw beans are yet okay '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '36 oz of hamburger becomes 11 oz of rocks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and they rehydrate quite well for cooking.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the danger in all these sorts of laws is where it gives governments a grey area of definition to work with'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey nuts, when are you going to evolve into one of those guys that live alone, let their hair grow long, wear no clothes and throw dried poop at people when they walk by ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean a chimpanzee?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I just found out today that all of the vaccines mandated for school participation are officially classified as "unavoidably unsafe".'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'suspect that Sobeys knew of the "indigestion problem" because the six bean medley cans were double date-code stamped'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, chimpanzee :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll never happen, Rizzer, the two generations that came before me ensured that people who work full time like me would never be able to afford a home to live alone in'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let alone throwing anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'could always become a perm hiker....live in a tent, use wifi, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd be run over within days'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and where would you camp?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Nonsense, plenty of them where I live. Hardly ever see a dead one'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want to live in a tent in the UK, be my guest'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rozzers and elite here don't like hobos in tents, they get sarcastic and set the baillifs on them, as happened outside Westminster Cathedral with the anti-banker protests'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is the naked hiker still out and about ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, he's in prison'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they let him out again.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only celebrities are allowed to bare their bits'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy has been arrested like 2 dozen times and let out again, since he isnt hurting anyone.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he just refuses to let the govt tell him what to do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll probably pull some paedophile charge on him and lock him up for good'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they would have to change the laws in the UK then, and then it would be illegal for magazines to show boobs in the newspapers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they have to change them?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is the same law.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'here in the US, we are so anal about everything, that everything is illegal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, you're about the same as here, some things more, some things less and vice versa'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd say that maybe there are less rules here, but regardless, the population is considerably more constrained'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some might call that "more civilised", i'd call it "more enslaved"'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I blame the puritans.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should have adopted the american indian lifestyle.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the dissatisfied colored immigrants are not as constrained'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'blame the MIC and blame yourselves for not listening to Eisenhower'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'master in charge ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rabbit tacos are good.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'military industrial complex, rizzer, you should know that one by now'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2 more weeks and I can butcher 16 more rabbits.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I stopped paying attention after I stopped paying attention.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have decided to retire from the american lunacy, and focus on having fun.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alright for you, you can afford to'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, I spend less money now then I did before.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I grow most of my own food now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to sell this house and move farther from houston.....12 miles is too close.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be zade's fault, he pushes the kinda of communist propaganda that leads to huge governments that set up croney monopolies and policies that lead to the kinda of chronic housing shortages that we have here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the new property is 47 miles from houston, and on a huge lake, and has 150 acres.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you'd be looking at around $5,000,000 here then'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I think we paid about $7000 for it 15 years ago....it was a county tax sale.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're looking at around $300,000 here for a 1/2 acre building plot'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an alternate opinion is:  Tigernuts pushes socialism for the rich but not the poor, as though Tigernuts is a red capitalist'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tigernuts doesn't push socialism period'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless it's pushing me first'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the house I am currently on is 1/2 an acre, and cost $18,000 for the lot.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you do the maths, $300,000 for a building plot, and the UK median salary will get you a mortgage of about $180,000'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'will sell it and the house for about $140,000 including the upgrades.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'average age of first time buyers here is now 37'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my new cabin will be about half the size of this house, but lots more room for greenhouses, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and Communism is described as "red capitalism", so Tigernuts is a "communist" where the red capitalistic commiczars get all the riches, and the poor get poverty'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'will be able to go fishing on the trinity river, and catch catfish or perch for dinner.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free market libertarian, zade, feel free to describe yourself if you like'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since you took the bait'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to have more chickens, some turkeys and ducks....more rabbits, 10 cattle, some goats, and my 5 donkies back....woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and 2 dogs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and armed raids by the EPA'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is a socialist anticommunist and thus likely anti-Tigernuts 
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't be a socialist anticommunist since they're almost the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lots of squirrel, fox, coyotes, deer and other critters on the land.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, garlic fried squirrel'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the bottom half of squirrel is the best.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that say they believe in "free market" actually want protection for their extortionate thievery oppression and exploitation of those that are not advantaged'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some might'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey! I represent those words!'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hope I catch a catfish next week....put out 3 floaters.....would love some deep fried catfish'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cant go catfish noodling in the trinity though....damn alligators!'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many places outlaw noodling anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i could go for some cats too'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'free markets does not mean entirely unregulated though'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas makes it hard to hunt gators also.....stupid laws.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"free market libertarians" want "socialist protection of the rich" by armed forces and police state supplied from the enslaved populace, but do not want to pay extra taxes for supplying socialistic benefits to the populace upon which they exploit and depend and defraud (by claiming sinecure and first come first served) '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You are not allowed to shoot an unhooked gator, and you cant snag hook a gator'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a clearly misinterpreted definition'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has to be a clean caught gator on a baited line tied to a tree.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'snagging tends to be blanket-illegal, Tiger.  I doubt it's misinterpreted.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe if Tigernuts were far poorer and far more disabled and forced to subsist on welfare, maybe a different opinion 'd come from Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'armed forces should exist solely to protect their countrymen from the aggression of foreign invaders'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police force should exist to keep the peace and protect people and their property from the misdeeds of others'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'national guard should only defend the states that are they from.....shouldnt be sending them overseas.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing in those two definitions has anything to do with class, or levels of wealth'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rabbits are damn fine eating though......fried rabbit, corn on the cob, dutch oven biscuits, mashed potatoes and gravy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'steamed carrots'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rabbits are good in pies'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/georgia-healthcare-company-lay-over-100-because-obamacare_754008.html'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when new mineral and oil resources are discovered, the proper recipient of those riches is supposed to be the general populace and the state, not a select few (politician-bribing) individuals'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hopefully they will lay everyone off and go out of business, then we can replace them with govt healthcare.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the recipient of those riches is the land owner, the state benefits through taxes levied on those people'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the benefit to society more widely is the supply of oil and minerals'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the US doesn't have a healthcare system, period.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can''
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though in the UK, neither a company nor a person owns the mineral or oil rights, regardless of whether they own the land or not'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can't even sue Big Pharma for faulty vaccines, or even for inaccurate claims about them (ie, "vaccines don't cause autism")'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the landowner only gets about 17.5% of any resources of oil and gas from the owned land.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's better than that, Hans, you don't sue Big Pharma for damages, you sue the government and the taxpayer picks up the tab on the pharma behalf'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg royalty payment in Texas is about 12 to 17.5% of market price - expenses to extract'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at least we have the Canary Party to watch out for our interests...'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'all those oil billionaires are not supposed to exist, -- those running the companies are supposed to be paid merely a decent salary (but not too high a salary) (no big bonuses, no stock options) -- the goverment is supposed to earn the majority of oil profits from natural resources, and the monies used to provide socialist amenities and benefits to the general populace'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supposed to says whom and why?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'add taxes to it, and the oil and gas companies make about 20% on a barrel of oil produced, and about half that on gas.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a better world, the populace does not require (and refuses ) to protect the rich which exploit them and steal all the profits from the natural resources (as in the current captalistic (not-so) free market)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if socialism was the right way, then i'd be able to come and rape your wife, take your car and drive off, after all, they both belong to me too'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'please, in the current world, the govt takes a huge part of the natural resources on private lands via taxes and fees for the common good.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it ain't for the common good, it's for bankers personal wealth'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is energy companies that come up with the technology to even get at those resources, not govt.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is advocating rape in a socialist state -- indicating that Tigernuts is deranged and immoral'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas for example is making an additional $5 billion this year because of an increase of oil production of 1 million barrels a day.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm advocating rape, you're adovocating theft and slavery'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a socialist society which i'm not advocating'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oil going up to $130 a barrel would add another $2 billion to the TExas coffers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'personal property is owned by individuals in a socialistic state, but not to the extreme greedy extent as in an exploitive capitalistic (not so) free market '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no it's not'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'capitalism is a flawed example of the result of the corrupted ideology of free markets in the same way communism is a flawed example of the result of the corrupted ideology of socialism'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'basically, Tigernuts is threatening to encourage and commit when a socialist state arrives -- but rape is crime against humanity'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inevitably you cannot have a totally pure system that functions, it has to incorporate some elements of each to survive'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone could have invested $1000 in Apple in 1991, and become a millionaire today.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so rape is beyond the pale, but slavery isn't?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone can become upper middle class in the US....just rearrange your priorities and create a business.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no middle class in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just dont create a business that is going extinct like VCR repair.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in a properly run socialistic state, there is far less "slavery" than in the current capitalisic and or free market state (and worse regimes)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll an identical amount of slavery that takes slightly different forms'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slavery was never abolished, it just changed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hear North Korea is nice at this time of year, Zade, if you want to go live in a socialist country'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it adapted to a modern world.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the populace is logistically unable to create a business - the abilities and the opportunities are not there in sufficient logistical amounts '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why I am in favor of raising the min wage to $10.00 per hour and tying it to inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people could create businesses here if they weren't regulated out of the park in a market place that has already been dominated by the megacorps'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needs to be far higher than $10 here'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also, the megacorps do not like the extra competition'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, if you have a 3 bedroom house...you can rent 2 rooms out to others.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, of course not, that's why allowing governments to become centralised where they can easily be corrupted by megacorps is a bad idea'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can try to regulate all you want, all it does is create black markets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why the US economy and government is fucked, that's why large swathes of the UK economy and government is fucked'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if everybody owned a three bedroom house, there'd be no renters'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you guys at least have an option to fix it and a legal basis to sit on'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're just grade 1 screwed in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I deal mostly in cash now, pay cash to people working for me, etc, barter for stuff.....federal regulations be damned.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love how lousiana tried to get rid of the secondary market by banning....so the secondary market decided to accept cash only or barter, and kept on going.....credit and debit, plus the state sales tax revenue were the losers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is a secondary market?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the used market.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, nogs'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everywhere is trying that. the biggest threat will be the removal of cash'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back before the federal reserve, each state had its own US currency.....if they tried to ban cash currency here, that would happen again.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'each bank had its own 'currency''
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, no, it wouldn't, because your states are powerless and feeble pussies that wouldn't say 'boo' to the feds'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it was backed by gold and silver.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the states are crawling with paramilitaries under fed control'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't have a hope in hells chance'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have to add platinum and palladium to that in the future though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Rizgoth) some republicans are almost saying: "A few may become rich if they (whatever)"  but this does not extrapolate to "If everybody was rich, then they'd be rich" - since the missing steps as to how *everybody* becomes rich are absent (and logistically unlikely in a market system where a few grab all and lock down all the riches)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whichever system you take up, societies will always collapse, it's the cyclical nature of things'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dogs are wonderful, everyone should have a dog or two.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however socialism will always bring with it chains through authoritarianism'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the current Patent system is also corrupt, when "obvious inventions" are patented on a first-come first-served basis'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments tinkering with hybrid systems like the UK and US will suffer the problems of both'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'power is an illusion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong - two world wars were not an illusion'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if power were an illusion, your computer device wouldn't be working'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And there will always be someone willing to take it away from you when you step out of line.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"when something powerful is coming to kill you, that is not an illusion"'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well patently that's untrue'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'else everyone wouldn't be getting screwed'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people get screwed because they are wired that way......poor people rarely become rich unless they realize that they are just rich people in poor persons clothes temporarily.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true and you know it'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg rich person tried to become rich many many times, until they found a good idea.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg poor person doesnt even try.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or until they stole it through corrupt practices in public office or from a position of power'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'life gets in the way of poor people.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the number of rich people who got there through hard work is smaller than the number of rich people who got their through fraud'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the number of rich people who got there through hard work is almost certainly smaller than the number of rich people who got there by just happening to be in the right place at the right time'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you keep trying, odds are sometime will be the right time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it isnt like winning the lottery.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it actually takes working to do something.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people have talents that they are not even aware of, but they keep allowing life to prevent them from doing it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those people become lower and middle class.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ie working for someone else.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no lower and middle classes, there's just the elite and everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts (you lied), North Korea is not a socialist country'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can keep telling yourself that, even though it isnt true.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might have been true once, it isn't true now'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I was poor, and then middle class, and now I am upper middle class.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can pretend that if it makes you happy, riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(and you seek to distract your "conscience" by rejoicing in the stated murder of animals)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and zade, then come to the UK, we're socialist'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'freedom of thought and freedom of speech is greater here in Canada '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it really isn't, but there you go'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade dislikes the UK "thought-police"
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spose you could go to Sweden for your socialism, but then you implied you liked your freedoms, so that wouldn't work for you'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers English-speaking countries
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then you're screwed and probably in the free-est place you can be'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'including America?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA is not the free-speech even with the 1st ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately after ruining your banking system, you sent that little parasite CArney over here'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after he'd ruined your banking system, i'm not implying you did'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA was and is often extremely oppressive against differing attitudes - which is why 1st ammendment was added to the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'look at how the authorities in the USA misapply the law oppressively'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution is ignored, still, they won't have to worry, journalism is in the process of being eviscerated by the senate'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'soon they'll only have government propanda to listen, as opposed to being able to avoid it by avoiding MSNBC, CNN, and ABC'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'were the "Salem witch trials" before or after the 1st ammendment was added'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like slavery, was probably after'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'before'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Salem occurred before the Revolutionary War.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1878'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and 1693'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what has Salem got to do with socialism, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'saw a couple people on the side of the road selling nfl jersies......for about $80 each, the guy also had rugs, and other things.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'jerseys even'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they run their own business, and make decent money, and no employees.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'd have been arrested in the UK, rizzer'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even more people selling fruit from mexico and south america.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(perhaps Salem is an example of the oppressive attitudes that yet afflict the USA) '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bought a nice 20 lb watermelon from a hispanic guy...had his wife and daughter with him.....paid $6 for the watermelon.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'affects everywhere, zade'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but is also very much something that occurs under authoritarian regimes, whether that's Obama's, Karl Marx, or George Bush'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'love the shrimp guys....they buy freezer full of shrimp off the dock at the gulf of mexico and then come up here and sell em for $20 for 4 lbs.  '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'notice that nonwhite male africans are usually corrupt incompetent and or oppressive rulers in Africa -- then look at what the Barack Obama administration is attempting - (xchan)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would love to see more people selling stuff on the side of the road......turn the roads into long farmers markets.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably just the nature of the continent struggling to bridge the gap between tribalism and states with arbitrary boundaries placed on the map by imperialist masters of old'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll leave you to it, of course in zade's world you couldn't have people sellign extra wares by the roadside because it doesn't belong to them'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in the UK it'd just be illegal for other reasons'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is too big to enforce things like that, look how well the war on drugs has gone.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the (previously) white-ruled USA seems okay with how the state boundaries were drawn - the whites are not blaming their difficulties on how the maps were drawn -- (so that african lame excuse won't fly)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Zade's world, the folk 'd not be reduced to selling shoddy overpriced (stolen?) goods at the side of the road, as there be plenty of revenues from the resources (and no resource billionaires)'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bite me, most people who sell on the side of the road are hard working people who want to own their business and not be told by an overbearing govt what to do, where to shit, and how to take a shit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw, what is the quality-control and return-policy on roadside sales'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'buyer beware,if you are stupid enough to buy a non working ipad, that is your own fault.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, not referring to people who sell electronics....I would never buy electronics from someone on the side of the road, but fruit and veggies, hell yeah, and perhaps seafood if I know them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as though Rizgoth is going to spend an hour checking every ipod function before buying a roadside ipod '
T3/r7/2013-09-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rabbit is tasty'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'obama is Sooooooo fulll of shit'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'envious, eh'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fried up those squirrels, and never looked back....fried squirrel is badass.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently obamacare will require lots of personal questions regarding your sexual habits to be on file accessable by all and sundry'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'better hide the donkies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no insurance for you!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best comment i heard on the DC shooter - "this guy is a terrible shot, must be a democrat"'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'untrue!!!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, so as it stands now, one shooter dead, two evidently still on the loose. '
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet they end up being teenagers drugged up on spice.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I kind of doubt that, Riz.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'where is being shot up'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we were bored and wanted to shoot things, and couldnt find any rabbits or squirrels to hunt......'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Navy Yard in DC, Elchanan.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'really'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'like those idiots that killed that australian athlete guy'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Unfortunately, yes. Really.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the total death tally at the Navy yard'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am usually against the death penalty, but sometimes I lean too it in instances like this'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: '12 dead. Not sure if that includes the one dead shooter.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Was there a secret NSA office there ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'How would we know? :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an inside job, eh'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shrug, seems nowadays, everyone knows...which is what scares the NSA :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You know, the NSA has been mentioned more in the last month then in the previous 70 years combined. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that HAS to scare the NSA'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'uou are kidding -- even if a secret NSA office is there in the Navy Yard, targeting that office by an outsider is a potluck event - unlikely, unless assisted by insiders'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Rizgoth getting hisd jollies off imagining that "'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You havent heard the phone clicking in the background before? :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, the signs of paranoia'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go go washington redskins!  never change your name!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Here's a current description that I just found. "Today, the Navy Yard includes the headquarters of Naval District Washington and is home to a naval museum. The area around the facility has been marked in recent years by significant commercial and residential revitalization."'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Riz, why could not the NSA have an agent listening right here? *click*'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you know I am not NSA ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'dont care'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Ok, right now they're reporting that it appears to have been a single shooter. Guy named Aaron Alexis, now dead.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1st rule of NSA, never talk about NSA.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most of the interesting nutters are long gone, except for ...'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'WAS, but now everyone else knows, makes more sense to just join the crowd so they dont suspect'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS-4sLReMSI&list=UUhwwoeOZ3EJPobW83dgQfAg&feature=player_detailpage'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we are change are fucking awesome'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ah, cusswords, indicative that Tigernuts does not believe the cussed crap that Tigernuts posts'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't attack the message, so attack the messenger eh, Zade? What a pro'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so: ineffective at change, and not awesome'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is using the messenger's message to adlib the messenger
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like you're talking crap :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go say something useful'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sometimes the truth hurts, eh'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when i hear some, i'll evaluate and let you know'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernots, is the British monarchy of jewish descent'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, they are celtic.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Prince William looks jewish'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Gotta hand it to you, Tiger. If there's ever an all-star team for conspiracy theorists, I'm gonna be mighty disappointed if you aren't named captain.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what conspiracy theory are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, most recently... the jewish British monarchy? Maybe conspiracy is the wrong word?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where have I mentioned that?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not sure whether Prince Charles looks jewish -- unless Prince Charles looks like Alfred E Neuman (the ears) '
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'My apology. It was Zade, talking to you. My bad.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'accepted'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'royal inbreeding.....it didnt really stop'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even diana was of royal blood.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if Prince Charles was not the father of Prince William, how would that affect the monarchy'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'havent you seen their heads?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the claim to lineage'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally don't give a flying bollock about either of them, the royal family are parasites'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'diana had the recessive baldness gene that prince charles had also which was dominant.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why william is also going bald.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Minnesota's personal income tax system consists of three brackets and a top rate of 7.85%. That rate ranks 9th highest among states levying an individual income tax. Minnesota's income tax collections per person were $1219 in 2010 which ranked 8th highest nationally.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not moving to minnesota.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'minnesota would be nice to live in the spring, and summer though, and keep residency in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but if somebody were to prove that Prince William was oot of direct royal lineage through Charles, that may permit detractors (of the monarchy) to suggest a few things be changed'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, starting in 2013, minnesota added a new 9.85% top income tax rate.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '9.85% is too low, higher taxes on the rich are required, in every state of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have different needs to you, but an aspiration income and sales tax of 20% sounds good to me'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flat rate, no exemptions, no deductions, no exceptions'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those pimping the child labour want more money for the chocolate, or is that merely a ruse by the chocolate processers'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global climate change in western africa are causing the cocoa plants to die off.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'citation needed'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'climate change killed off the scottish wine industry and caused the southwest of greenland to be deserted by the danish colonists who'd lived there for a couple hundred years'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the scottish wine industry will make a comeback in about 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk, more drunkards'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'start chocolate plantations in (say) South America'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither event was co2 related, just natural changes in climate that were huge'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same goes for the extinction of the woolly mammoths'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'start chocolate plantations in (say) Texas'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'at least in Texas they not be using child labour'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too dry in Texas, and when it rains, it rains alot....which means fungus problems.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'humidity is too high.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wouldn't that mean you could pick your own mushrooms?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got awfully quiet'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching breaking bad.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see how retarded anti-gun laws are? Without citizens being able to defend themselves you end up with this kind of shit: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/sep/16/shopkeeper-fights-off-armed-robbers-shoe?CMP=twt_gu'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'who needs guns for protection?  that's what government is for'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, they do such a great job of protecting everyone'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I don't trust govt'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess they protect SOME of the people they lock in jail'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'government will take care of you even if you don't trust it.  That's what makes it great.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'gov't protects itself/'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'government protects you from the rich corporate profiteers that want to exploit your labor and steal your savings while destroying the environment'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're doing a shit hot job of that too, Kojiro!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what were we thinking'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you know, Alaska is over 2x the size of Texas and it has hardly been explored for oil, gas, coal or uranium......we need to open up the state to massive amounts of resource exploration.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'at the very least we can make it into a penal colony'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska built a big prison surrounded by bears and moose.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would take someone a week to make it to a town if they escaped the prison.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may be a location to lock up those that are cruel to animals'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'last thing USA needs to do is lock up more people'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska only produces about 550k barrels of oil per day down the alaska pipeline.....it was 2 million barrels per day in 1988'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska production needs to double.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'new technology has also added about 4 billion barrels to the prudhoe bay/kuparuk oil fields in north alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'waht would you do with all that oil?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'turn it into gasoline and ship it to you.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except you won't, because it'll cost too much in carbon taxes'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont have to pay your carbon taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is called exemptions'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We trade gasoline and diesel with the UK all the time......'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there will be no exemptions, it'll be UN mandated'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck with that, we dont listen to the UN.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, we dont even pay our UN dues. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US was tired of paying 25% of the UN costs......pay for it yourself damnit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am going to try to grow coffee in my greenhouse.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my banana tree produced a 2 inch banana...woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'planted a 4x8 foot 14 inch deep box in the greenhouse with carrots.....woohoo....just took a handful of seeds and threw em at the dirt and covered em up.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hope to get tons of carrots.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'horse manure compost is good stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I mix the horse manure compost with the lawn cuttings, and let it sit for a few weeks, then I turn it and let it keep cooking'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er the horse manure'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have people in charge that will follow the UN insofar as it furthers their agenda'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that includes bankrupting the oil industry'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let them eat horse manure.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'll be us serfs'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you like horse manure ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it grows good vegetables.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we'll be forced to eat cake, like the frenchies had to.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer rabbit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even sitting in the bank, our money is being devalued at 5% a year'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'your on a rabbit diet huh'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and steamed corn, biscuits, mashed potatoes and gravy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rabbit is yummy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'best meat I have ever had....except for B A C O N'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'even better than buffalo?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'much better than buffalo'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuts should come to Texas and live off the land....he could ride my donkies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We could go boar or deer hunting.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i wanna take a deer this year'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'boy did that come out wrong...'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nuts could ride the donkies all over the property.....walk the fence, look for holes for the cattle to escape out of.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mow the grass, and put it on the compost pile.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We will turn you into a real Texan '
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'real Texans mount horses'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no way! we use donkies!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1600 lb cows are afraid of the horses, but they like the donkies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You could tend to the corn we planted......saved seed from last year from double ear stalks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Monsanto sent us a letter....woohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they wanted to know why we didnt order our standard purchase of monsanto corn seed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you tell them to fuck off?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be polite, don't attract attention'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i wonder what the real story will turn out to be behind this Aaron Alexis guy'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'who's he?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the guy who shot a dozen folks in DC Navy Base this morning'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'former navy reservist and defence contractor'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his online presence magically disappeared, even from google time machine'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'spooks know how to scrub the net.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they need to?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'to make sure their cover stories are straight.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a legitimate grievance by the shooter, read about ion the internet, is likely to .. '
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt the fake liberals will be all over it trying to push gun controls'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite it taking place in a gun-free secure zone in the middle of a gun-free state'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fake ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well obviously, only fake liberals would call for gun control, because removing a person's ability to defend himself is hardly liberal, is it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but did you already download a prior "presence" from the internet so you know there was "scrub"'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, a 1000 watt cfl light'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only known way to get a sunburn from a flourescent lamp.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bought 3 300 watt cfl's from lowes....:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gonna run em in my new greenhouse that I am building.....it is going to be a hot/cold room greenhouse.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wood structure with polycarbonate sheets covering the walls and ceiling, with AC and heating to keep the temp stable.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that 1000 watt cfl weighs 4 lbs....it is a huge light.'
T3/r7/2013-09-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'peppers have lots of vitamin c....'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '15yr old was arrested and jailed for simulating shooting with an iphone app called "The Real Strike"'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and of course, the Navyyard shooter, Aaron Alexis was an Obama supporter, was on SSRi's, and was motivated by the media's campaign of race baiting which made him feelike he was part of a race war'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/obamacaregame/obamacare-the-board-game'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is there an Obama-approved version'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even obama doesn't know what's in it'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like the strapline "Being taxed out of existence has never been so much fun!"'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and just for Zade, here is a handy pictoral meme for understanding socialism: http://www.infowarsshop.com/zoomify.asp?catalogid=125&img=assets/images/socialism_front.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and here's another... http://campylobacter.memebot.com/past/2003/0407.html'
T3/r7/2013-09-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'broken link, dude'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Today, to account for all the U.S. dollars printed by the Federal Reserve, gold would have to be revalued at $15,000 per ounce.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'For the past 30 years the world has used up more silver than has been mined, and today silver inventories are near all time record low levels.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Silver is a 'miracle metal'. It is second only to oil as the world's most useful commodity. Aside from being money, silver has thousands of essential industrial uses. Silver is the most electrically conductive, thermally conductive, and reflective metal on the planet that has no known substitutes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most elements are without "substitutes", since each element is unique'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'longterm, oil is not the most useful commodity in that plentiful oil may eventually run out'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US stocks rise on Bernanke's pledge to continue devaluing the dollar and further pumping up the bonds bubble'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'lol, great!'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'knew you'd enjoy that :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'seeing lots of push back against feds infiltrating local state departments and harassing people carrying guns'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the more they do it, the more people go on protests'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the basic American culture at play.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's good'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll lead to things coming to a head when someone gets shot'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who will blink first?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a (handwaving bullshit statistics) study shows that in the UK, Islam will be the biggest religion by 2020'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new iphone advert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oSJqBJ1TF-E'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'question for the evening, is Rhavage a plant for the feds, paid to troll libertarians?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'things are boiling up in Greece again after a anti-fascist immigrant rapper was killed by a mob linked to the nazi party'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'so grow out some hair before going to Greece, check'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably best stay out of greece unless you're greek'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'I want to go dive the greek coast.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wanted to visit the holy land, not doing that either :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want a butcher a pig.....need some lard'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'whats to debate, fresh pig is good'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 200 lb pig should do it.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good meat, and lard'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i get mine on friday'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you going to butcher it yourself ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to scald and dehair it, or just skin it close ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'having it done, only get half sharing the other half.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, make sure to get your half of the lard, and good organs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fried pig heart is yum.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i agree, but my wife would leave me...'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'and i still like her.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont use lard for cooking ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i ment the organs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ah, ok.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still, the heart, liver and kidneys are damn good....'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'and we use the bacon greese a lot'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tell the butcher to hide them, and then cook them in secret and surprise her!'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i like heart and kidneys, havent had much liver'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'feet and snoots are better.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we always have a bbq when we butcher some steers....cook up the hearts....nothing like a 6 lb cow heart.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'invite me next time'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I used to hate liver and onions until I had grass fed liver and fresh onions.....changed my mind.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'fresh real food is always good'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'grain really messes up the livers of cows.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'grain messes up the bowels of people, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: '<-- '
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'We all know that homegrown tomatoes beat store bought, but I was very suprised at how much difference it makes in potatoes,  I thought I wouldn't make any but I was wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'even the type of potato makes a big differance'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the amazing potato.....didnt think much of it, but I threw a dozen eyed store bought potatoes into a 9x9 raised bed with lots of fluffy compost in it....potato shoots everywhere.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if it works out, those dozen potatoes will probably turn into a hundred'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now that is compound interest.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: '1st year growing was potato storage, same amount by weight but smaller potatoes, ever since then not a bad crop.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'potatoes are one of those things I like to buy at the store.....not many gmo potatoes that are popular yet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I do like to grow corn, mostly hybrids or heirlooms.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and lots and lots of tomatoes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'check out mypatriotsupply.com for heirloom seeds....good site.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'need more ground before i can grow more...'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how much do you pay the butcher to butcher your pig ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'butcher and wrap is like .99 a lbs i think'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'getting this pig froma  friend'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that seems kinda expensive just to butcher it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a 300 lb porker would break the bank!'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'its a wrap as well...'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'but i am in CA...'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'whats the price out there?'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea, we always butcher em ourselves.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we use grandpas bandsaw when he isnt looking. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'just pick off the big pieces :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gotta love those cracklins though......great on salads'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is why I prefer to scald and dehair, to utilize the skin.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i liked the skin, rarly get it here.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i liked the skin, rarly get it here.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'bah'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the skin and fat underneath it has lots of calories.....should always utilize it.....:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it would be wasteful to not use it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am hoping to get at least 10 quarts of lard, and 3 quarts of cracklins this time....'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love to add the cracklins to cornbread, or in scrambled eggs, on salads, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'your just making me hungry...'
T3/r7/2013-09-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cracklins are also really good to add to sauteed greens in lard.....kale, spinach, broccoli, and mustard greens'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the best part of butchering a pig is when you shoot it and it tries to run the boston marathon in place in about 2min.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'll have to take your word for it :D'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the pig falls on its back, and just runs like the wind with its feet up in the air. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'they do run there fastest on thier backs'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol DC-area gun sales soar after Navy Yard massacre. That's the way, folks!'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is dodgy as fuck: http://benswann.com/school-teaches-students-its-constitutional-for-cops-to-confiscate-guns/'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teacher need firing'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'period'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think as a teacher rewriting the constitution to imply it means something entirely different is acceptable?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well teach 8th graders that it's acceptable to rape women'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'dont they?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt it, but where do you draw the line? Should be teaching facts and critical thinking, not pumping them full of propaganda that is factually incorrect'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in this case clearly a politically motivated move'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'dont they?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was the most worrying news of all today, imho'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'happens all the time in schools though'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'thats the true power the teachers have, rarly are they double checked.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, this teacher needs to be called out and fired'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hope a petition is raised'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty good advert for private schools and homeschooling'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'where there is less media and oversight?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'private schools have the same or better oversight, homeschooling doesn't but at least if you're going to indoctinate your kids, it's in your own culture/ideology'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i agree there is an issue, i dont think private and home school is the answer'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a solution, no, but it is a good advert for them'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'start teaching is a better solution, fix the system from the inside :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'removing federal involvement from schools and putting them back under local control would be a damn good start'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'locally accountable, more parental governship'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no system that large can be fixed from the inside'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'you only can fix one school at a time'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see the UK bedroom tax made US news :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'is that like the old window tax?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's mischaracterised. People who receive housing benefit (jobless, disabled, and people on low incomes receive help or full payment of rent)'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they have more bedrooms than they need, government are chopping back the amount they receive to nudge them into moving into smaller houses'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'ah, like substidized housing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'ah, nice'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while i don't disagree with it ideologically, on a purely practical level it's pointless and stupid, since there's a shortage of housing and what there is is overpriced hugely because of decades of corrupt and stupid housing policy'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'nothing is simple'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, this is'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was the tory government pandering to their target market by engaging in bashing the poor'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts runs Tormat over with a small eastern European nation.
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the USPS needs to raise the price of a first class stamp by at least 10 cents....preferably 15 cents.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and increase the cost of junk mail by 3 cents.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'and make you have to pay postage on email also?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mail is so last century'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the USPS needs to expand its focus into other areas such as bill paying, financial services, and telecommunications.....and convert all the jeeps into high mpg minivans.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly world saving is it, Rizzer?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so it should become western union'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or add postal service to western union....:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'western union already had postal service...'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not really....they will sell stamps, and take your mail to have a postal worker pick up'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes really, but they dumped it because it's stupid to have today :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you cant have 32,000 post offices around the country, even small towns with 10 people have a post office.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're about to privatise the UK postal service'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nazi government flogging off the family silver'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lots of towns don't have post offices, there's quite a few POs which service multiple towns'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it costs 90 cents to send a first class letter in the UK.....2x the cost as the US....'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be true, riz, but the entire country is fully covered by a next day service for that'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it is profitable'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's also barely bigger than new jersey ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, which is why the USPS needs to raise its stamp costs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sending mail is too cheap in the US....and most of it is junk mail anyways which is the most profitable'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is not sustainable at current inflation proofing stamp costs....it needs to be at least 60 cents for a first class stamp.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'closer to the size of florida than new jersey'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You snicker with him about your shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'includes considerable number of islands'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if the postal service did more than just send mail, it could be quite profitable....that is why the UK version is profitable....higher stamp costs that actually pay the real costs, plus lots of other services.....a true 1 stop shop for things.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'fine, it's as big as <insert any state except Texas or Alaska>...still means that you cannot compare a business model for one country-wide infrastructure to another'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, nor am i'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's no reason for the postal service to be profitable'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '99.7% of british people are within 3 miles of a post office.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it needs to not be loss making'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'our company sends many small packages out with USPS and it seems to work quite well for us.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing bad would happen if the postal service simply ceased to exist'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to be fair, it's only profitable now because the government bailed out the $3bn pension deficit liability it h ad'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hello?  I refuse to pay $20 to send a package via ups or fedex when I can do it with usps for $6.....the package part of the usps is profitable....it is the first class mail and other things that are not.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even junk mail is profitable.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'junk mail is profitable because it's automated...most regular first class isn't'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'by law the usps is barred from raising the cost of a first class stamp more than inflation....that is stupid.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and then there's those "forever" stamps'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'also, packages are likely only profitable now because the postal service no longer actually does it, fedex does'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the postal service will lose about $16 billion this year, first class mail sending is down 12% from 2012, and yet it still handles 40% of the worlds first class mail.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i had a post of the BBC news website removed because i characterised Obama and Putin as leaders of their respective 'criminal gangs' that masquerade as governments. They considered the comment libellous, I think they're just being pussies'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who pays for that $16bn, rizzer?'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'taxpayers'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then clearly all the steps you mention need to be done'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'GOP are threatened to fail to raise the debt limit, you'll be lucky to have a postal service at all if that happens'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have not are'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '16bn is an absurdly large amount'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, it wouldnt be crashing if first class mail sending didnt drop like a rock for the last 5 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think even $1 to send a letter in the USA is credible'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'close it down, let the markets sort it out'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I send cards in the mail all the time....spending 60 cents wouldnt bother me at all, I usually put two stamps on it just to make sure it doesnt get sent back to me'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'getting rid of mail service in the US would cause chaos.....40% of the first class mail in the world is handled by the usps.'
T3/r7/2013-09-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then sort it out :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://ww1.shomertech.com/'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woops, wrong place'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.shomer-tec.com/ your home for devices to screw up people at rallies'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'congress passed the spending bill that defunds obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'it will get a veto.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the government will shut down because the spending ceiling won't be increased'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really a big deal'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about time congress showed some teeth'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'and the world will end.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'check this out? http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/23483119/california-college-bars-student-from-handing-out-copies-of-constitution#axzz2fSq5LtxL'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '65% of the milk consumption worldwide is from goats milk, and this popularity hasnt come about due to high profile marketing campaigns or big-budget advertisements.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'goats milk is just better for you.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And it's easier to hold goats for small farmers'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd bet most of that goats milk is used to make cheese, though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'not to mention that goats keep your lawn trimmed :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thinking of buying 6 dairy goats and a billy for my property instead of 2 dairy dexter cows.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think the 2 main reasons cows milk is unhealthy is that a lot of dairy cows eat grain and that milk is pasteurized. Raw milk from grass fed cows is probably fine. '
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like goats better then cows anyways.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are more interesting to watch.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You should get a fainting goat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'goats milk is naturally homogenized also.....and they love to browse on pasture.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'As I've said before, I wish I was your neighbor. Raw warm goats milk is probably awesome.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chickens arrived....:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'picked up 3 feeder pigs also....they love the wallow mud pit I made them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '3 female pigs....still waiting for the male pig to be ready.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'lucky sob'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the male pig, I mean :D'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have 150 acres to fill with food :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have 9 regular cows and a bull to pay the property taxes each year and provide beef.....going to have goats, pigs, chickens, and rabbits also'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for the rabbits, which will be in tractors, the rest will be free range pastured.'
T3/r7/2013-09-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'turned 100 of the acres into 20 acre sections with fencing, and a corral in the center.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, it seems blackberry is pretty much dead now, so I guess we are down to 3 major mobile phone OSs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: '3?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'apple, android and windows'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but android has like 85% of the market now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'looks like the old windows/macos war :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except windows has about 1% of the market :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea, now it's android/ios'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'pretty expected'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'platform based systems will always tend to something dominating'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the beginning when android sucked, ios had the market....but then android became a real platform, and rocketed to major market share.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, seems windows is growing quite a bit, it could compete with ios for second place.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i predicted ios's fall a long time ago'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'platforms depend on having mass outreach, android had that and ios didn't'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet it just rankles microsoft to be the non monopoly this time......they actually have to create something that can compete.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there's a good chance windows can overtake ios'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's a much more healthy market than the PC market. Competition is good.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'pc market is too stagnant now to generate profits :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'people are using xp and see no need to upgrade still'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, bill gates made sure of that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love windows7.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sure, but the only reason i get a new windows is because i change computer'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'He made sure the PC market would be his or nobodys in the 90s.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'me too'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i see no real benefit from it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arista: 'I got to like windows7, only upgraded because my computer died.. and couldn't find one that I liked that didn't come with 8'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I never upgrade until I buy a new pc.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Seems now it will be nobodys.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why do you say that?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I went from winxp to win7.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Thanks to him, I have to struggle _not_ to pay for a microsoft OS when I buy a new computer :('
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'buy your own computer...'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Thanks to windows, there is no innovation, since there is no competition.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'build*'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, Intel innovates quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I mean on the software side.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'intel is always competing with amd'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'amd is almost dead again.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless they can pull it out of the fire again.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There has been no real innovation on the desktop for 25 years. '
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'both intel and amd missed out on the cellphone market......they both blew it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And there probably won't be, we'll probably run the same OS on our desktop as our phones in a couple years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'At least regular folks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'desktops and phones are fundamentally different'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not really, for the average user.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not when it comes down to microprocessors'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't want to have a phone launcher thing on my desktop for sure'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'phones lack a keyboard and a mouse'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cell phones today are just mobile computers using microprocessors.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You're probably not the average user (nor am I)'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'nah'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'look at how the mass market hates windows 8'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I prefer linux, that makes me a weird hippie.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they don't want a layout change'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'motorola whooped both intel and amd for the cel phone market, as did those other makers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I still prefer a laptop over a smartphone though'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'prefer laptops over the tablets also.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i use smartphones for information viewing, not input'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but I think that in a couple years, your desktop/laptop will run (a modified) version of android. People want a unified experience.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't think i will ever want to use it for input'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't think so'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they want stuff to work together well'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that doesn't mean it has to be unified'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'furthermore i doubt if it were so, android would be the one'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'don't forget a large proportion of desktops are used for work purposes'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and software written for windows will not work on android'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just legacy issues will impede any transition for decades'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, those chrome books are nice.....a full size laptop using chrome os would be nice.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so if uniformity is so highly desired, it will mean that windows will dominate the smartphone market too'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sure'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but companies won't'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'security etc etc'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'most company's are not going to give their employees computers with chrome os'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, there will be a full size laptop using chrome os eventually....'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think that the home market will creep into android over the next years, and then businesses will follow.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I will buy one...just to not buy windows os.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I don't see windows being able to compete.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't like all the reliance on internet'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'businesses don't care, they just do what they want'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if windows os is the most commercially viable option, then windows os it will be'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont HAAVE to do all cloud.....a regular laptop, but using an open source os like chrome.......'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'chrome os has a huge issue with security'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not a dummy box like the chrome book'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and a ton of software commercial companies rely on are written for windows'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'said the same thing about android.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there are plenty of companies already that won't upgrade from windows 98 because one piece of essential software is not compatible with xp or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, but new software is being written for android as well.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I see an android version for laptops coming.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'software drives the choice for OS'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'New software is either cloud or smartphone, not windows.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'however wonderful the OS is is irrelevant'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'haha no'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is the great thing about open source though....those businesses using win98 need to go open source and then change the software how THEY want it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'long live android.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'uhhhh no.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the company doesn't write the software'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'some other company they paid wrote it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I dont care about big business anymore, they can all go jump in the ocean for all I care.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'too bad they rule the world :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Having software installed on a thick client is a dying model that is just too expensive. So, we need a simple basic OS that can handle cloud apps. Enter android.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Even for large business, even thought it might take 20 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'security is /the/ main reason why businesses will not want to run cloud apps.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'fullstop'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'not to mention legal'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Private cloud. '
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what do you mean by private cloud'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'internal network that all computers access?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Your own servers in your own data center (or closet).'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'windows has been capable of that for decades'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and people have already implemented that'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why would you want windows on your cloud servers?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Because linux is much better as a server os.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok, and i'm sure many do run linux'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yeah, most.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'its a good thing android didnt name the mistakes that linux did.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er make'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Android is linux, though :D'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but linux is basically a non issue'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok i need to go do work'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but in summary'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'people decide what OS to use based on what software is available, what software available depends on what developers write, developers write based on where the market share is'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so once you're dominant you're extremely difficult to displace'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or people just want a choice'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agree. That's why I see android dominating.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'imo i don't see windows disappearing for at least a decade'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agree with that too, it will probably take more.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'android was a lame duck when it first came out, but google kept pushing developers to make stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now it dominates.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'android won because its only viable competitor was ios'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and apple was stupid enough to limit their ios to high end phones'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'android grabbed the lowtier market, and from there transitioned to high end'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'because it had the market share + developers'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'still having the last laugh at friends who told me 5 years ago android was never gonna amount to anything :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or the fact that Samsung dominates the cell phone market. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'could've been htc just as well'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'or LG, or motorola, or whatever'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's the combined market share that pulls developers'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'My next cell phone will probably be a google phone. Samsung adds a lot of junk to their phones.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i would've gotten a google phone except that they don't take microsd cards ):'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'wtf is with that'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont think google likes microsoft :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'microsd is microsoft?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, micro sd cards ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'memory cards'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'dont use em, they like the flash cards you use with cameras ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'tiny'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'like 1cm'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's dumb cos to buy a phone with a bigger memory capacity costs what, +$100?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love my 32 gig cards for my cameras.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'holds shitloads of pics.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'when you can buy a 64g microsd card for like 50 bucks or something'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, I pay $16 for 32 gig cards :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'microsd costs a bit more'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I will buy a 64 gig card when they are under $20'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is my threshold for memory cards, when they hit $20, I start buying them.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama: Raising the debt ceiling does not increase our debt'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Technically true.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, the debt ceiling will be raised, there is no doubt. And it will happen in the last second.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You could also say that failing to raise the debt ceiling does not remove the budget deficit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ahhh murican politics'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however phrasing it in a speech like that is daft'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the purpose of raising the debt ceiling is so that you can spend that money, then it will increase your debt'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like taking chocolate out of the wrapper and putting in your mouth, chewing it, then saying "oh, doing this won't mean i'm about to eat this chocolate"'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this has only occurred because there hasn't been a proper budget agreed for ages'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'specialist DC capital armed response team turned up to the navy shooter scene 5 minutes after it started but were told by the DHS to stand down for 3/4 of an hour. Why?'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I can't really complain, UK government is set to spend $200bn it doesn't have this year alone'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And sweden follows, lowering taxes by borrowing money :('
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'looks like there won't be any tax reduction though'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I hope not.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not that I mind tax cuts, but they should be funded by cutting stupid spending instead.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, UK is in far worse shape than USA for economy, really, USA has tons of crap they can cut, UK can't cut anything without cutting really important stuff'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US could cut large federal departments and not materially affect people's standard of living'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only way UK can sort it's budget out is massive changes to the tax/benefit system'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'you mean get the people off the dole.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US could save an absolute fortune by disbanding TSA, DHS, FEMA, rolling any actually needed roles into the DOD'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dole isn't the problem in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'if you say so.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it isn't, most of the benefits aren't paid to people on the dole here'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'but people on the dole put a big burden on the budget.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'it seems to be a sport in the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do, but they aren't the biggest burden'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'additionally, for them not to be on the dole, there need to be jobs they can do that will pay them enough to live on'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is also an issue, which is why so many employed people also receive welfare'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, but the dole problem predates the downtrend in the economy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it's a result of the deindustrialisation of the country through the 70s and 80s, and the rise of relying on cheap crap from China'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the US is heading in the same direction because previously they could afford the drain, but not anymore'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, it is'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately like i said, there's stuff you can do to fix it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I think the biggest problem the UK had, related to the dole, was the labor unions, which wanted their members to get paid without doing any work.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was -a- problem, yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of this stuff is all linked and not seperable'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have a chronic housing problem here thats cause stems from multiple causes starting in the 70s'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of both of our countries problems comes not from what Bush/Blair did, but the cumulative effect of what everyone in government did over 40 years '
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'no doubt, but Bush did accelerate the decline more than any president since WWII'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'he took the most and gave the least'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the biggest barriers to sorting our respective problems out are the EU in the case of UK and NAFTA in the case of the USA'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and Blair, having nothing of his own, thought that riding the US' coattails was the way to glory.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'NAFTA was designed to screw Mexico and the Central Americans.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bush and Blair are responsible for swiftening the warfare, destabalisation of the middle east, and remove people's liberties. The economic issues predate them'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NAFTA screws the USA far more than it screws Mexico and CAm'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the trade agreements being reached with foreign countries above the control of congress'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'sure that the issues predate them, but the stress on the national resources that their deeds produced are all theirs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely, but like i said, it's pointless to focus blame on them because if they hadn't happened, we'd both be experiencing the same economic issues, except maybe it would happened a bit later'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people always like to blame "the last guy"'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'LBJ and Vietnam is an example of how to rob the people without leaving them broke, everybody made money during that war. When Bush went to war only he and his friends made money, they just shoved a broom up the people's butts. '
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't necessarily agree with that, LBJ and Vietnam was when the economy hadn't started breaking down yet, you were still on the gold standard and had comparatively little debt. By Bush you were already a debtor nation'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we each have common problems and also problems that the other doesn't. UK has an overcrowding/housing issue, US has a mexico issue'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the top floor we both have governments that are inept and controlled by corporate interests, dysfunctional and little can be done to solve it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first thing UK needs to do is ditch the EU and enforce some proper immigration control'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the US was a debtor nation during the Reagan administration, the US sold its debt in the capital markets forcing interest rates to 22%. Still, people could manage. Bush Sr was basically ineffectual so we can ignore him, Clinton came in and put a surplus in the treasury. Bush came in with an economy that couldn't be said to be exactly healthy but could have improved as it improved under Clinton. But his first economic act was to go to war, not on one front but 2, the results were predictable. Also, the Bush family has been guilty  of abusing the banking system in the past. They were responsible for the collapse of the S&Ls, so what happened to the banking system at the start of this century is really not surprising.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'no sweat, I have nothing else to say :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Clinton might have had a surplus, but he was riding the dot com bubble and removed the glass-stegal act and put preasure on banks to give mortgages to people who couldn't afford them, this was essentially what led to the 2008 crash'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'oh, I see, you are going to claim the Bush is innocent of the banking collapse. That's nice of you :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'complicit maybe'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're all complicit, the entire ruling class'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so you blame Clinton for the collapse of the system 8 years later, but Reagan who allowed the Bush family to destroy the Savings and Loans system, gets no honorable mention.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you not listened to anything that has been said? The position we are in now is a result of the sum of the effects of all of the choices from all the ruling elite over a long period'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and the banking system collapsed under Bush, so you can blame anyone you want but can't get around that fact.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you remove any one choice, the end result may be slightly less, or transposed in time, or nuanced slightly, but they all did stuff that has added to the result'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bush, clinton, reagan, carter, ford, nixon'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of them'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Bank collapses happen all the time, it's normal. What's not normal is to try to rescue bad businesses with money you don't have.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I have listened and I agree. I am pointing out that Bush was the one who threw the gasoline on the bonfire that consumed the economy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's among the worst, along with obama'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i think his economic position wasn't half as important in terms of where we are as his massive attack on liberty, the police state, and the middle east'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, we will know how bad Obama could have been, what Bush left behind could not have been cleaned up by any one elected after him.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'we will never know*'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it could, but it takes time, and time has shown that it's getting worse not better. Time has shown that everything bad that Bush did, Obama is doing again but bigger'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same in the UK, the management changes, the problems remain'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The worst thing Bush did was the Iraq war, imo, can't think of anything obama has done that beats it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I don't think that is true. If Bush had not preceeded Obama, Obama's adminstration would have been declared middling. He started out with 2 strikes against him. A war in progress and a destroyed  economic system, now you blame him for something that will take 20 years to repair.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't take 20 years to repair'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'dream on :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Agree, it takes more.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it takes 1 day to change your foreign policy'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe years to implement it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it takes 1 day to change your economic policy, years to implement it'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'presidents are not allowed to change foreign policy. Foreign policy is a trans-presidential process.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Takes a couple of generations for the US populace to want a change.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why i said it's a failure of the governmental system'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is probably why it's going to get far worse yet'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it may never get better'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I doubt the US will change it's foreign policy until they get really beaten down in a war. Probably needs to be on US soil. Hopefully that won't happen in my lifetime.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then we're doomed to constant war'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Worked for Sweden, we got really beaten down by the russians, and then we stopped being the bullies of europe.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It only cost us finland, so no real loss :D'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't aware sweden had done any bullying since the dark ages'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'This all happened hundreds of years ago. We've had peace since 1814.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it all started going wrong here in 1066 when the british public had their land dispossed by a french/norwegian conqueror'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've never been free since'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ranrr comforts Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you think you were free before? ha.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'since we moved from hunter-gatherer to agricultural, there's been very little freedom for anyone :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The UK probably won't last much longer. I bet in my lifetime we will see it split up into England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland. '
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well no, but at least people had land and were beholden to local tyrants rather than an overlord'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ireland is not part of the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, northern ireland back to ireland, I meant.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'certain parts of it is'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that won't happen :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it goes, it'll go independant'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You probably have more insight than me, so I'll take your word for it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, the UK can't certainly afford to maintain the same presence they did during the 70s and 80s'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'More countries are good, we like many countries here in europe.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's probably time to stop the "british commonwealth" nonsense as well.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Yes! Bring back the Empire!'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nah, just go for democracy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the commonwealth is a nothing thing'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's really not important'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Same goes for Sweden. We've had a king here that is about as stupid as GW Bush for 40 years. Fortunately, has has little practical power.'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think people living in most commonwealth countries might have been better off if they had stayed under British rule'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'he has*'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably right, Tinada, you wouldn't have the Zimbabwe issue, for instance, might have been able to keep the jihadi's out of Nigeria'
T3/r7/2013-09-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately we are where we are'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Gee, what fun in Nairobi.'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'what did I miss'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Huge battle in a mall there. Evidently al quadea gunmen. 59 dead, nearly 200 wounded, 30 hostages still held.'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'damn.... '
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'what does it prove or solve? all it seems to show is you can brutalize.'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, yeah. I think that's all it's intended to prove.'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I bet they will convert all sorts of people to Islam/Muslam'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Oh no doubt, heh'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'sad is all I can say'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Yup. Sad at the very least.'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Nairobi massacre, courtesy of the US state departmnet'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'spreading "democracy" worldiwde'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mrs Angela Hitler wins German election'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Socialised medicine: Live in pain or live in poverty'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'not that simple'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's how it works in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any socialised health model involves rationing on basis of cost'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this ultimately means people get less than optimal treatment'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this means instead of your treatment being dependant upon your insurance coverage or ability to pay or charity availability, your treatment instead is dependant on what condition you have and whether or not the treatment is expensive or not'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's hard to argue one of those is better than the other'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well some people over pay for qreset but also you could say they go cheap because its a easy way to convert gold to qps'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'miss chan'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Miss Chan, the unmarried daughter of Jackie Chan'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so given that the democrats are going to go with pulling the racism angle and choosing Hilary for idiot candidacy in 2016, which terminally stupid fuckwit will what remains of the GOP choose?'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what causes more violence, violent video games, violent movies, violent songs/music culture, or prescription medication?'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another reason why socialised healthcare is such a fucking bad idea is when you want to try and sort out some medical equipment for yourself, it's a thousand times more difficult to get it because no bugger will deal direct with the public'
T3/r7/2013-09-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it' like nazi health system'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome, "Obamacare will increase health spending by $7450 a year for a family of four"'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is how it's supposed to be done, folks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1G1IscWi58&feature=c4-overview&list=UUxTAdQAc1Y0Fu-sd-yWJCNg'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and at what part does this gentleman do anything to warrant being charged with assaulting a cop? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEQmUnisDEM&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I don't see where dude assaulted the cop.  He certainly could have worked on the delivery of his question better though'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he really didn't assault anyone, did he?'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm. this is peculiar - there are and has been people who could buy a whole country but that has never happened yet..'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not easy to buy a whole country as it would require the consent of the title holders - that's a whole lot of paperwork'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'money is not enough for buyng one'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm.'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on your definition of 'buying''
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can control a country without owning all of the property'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you can have a zillion dollars but 2 guys can still beat you up. that's the reason:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and to own a country you really have to send in many realy big buffed soldiers. money cant buy people'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can buy election which means you can buy government which gives you those soldiers'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why propaganda exists, along with political parties and ever increasingly complicated, invasive, and unneccessary government'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it is what happens when the people stop considering government important'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think Harry Reid has lost the plot'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'has harry ever had the plot?'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno, but he's calling his own side anarchists'
T3/r7/2013-09-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lois lerner is retiring. Retiring? shouldnt' she have been in front of a firing squad?'
T3/r7/2013-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone else see Obama's UN address where he lied through his teeth then threatened Russia?'
T3/r7/2013-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 5'
T3/r7/2013-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, 7th graders suspended for 9 months from school for playing with an airsoft toy gun AT HOME'
T3/r7/2013-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'these republicans are butt hurt over this obamacare huh..still yappin'
T3/r7/2013-09-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'companies making billions in profit don't want to pay for healthcare and they cut jobs, lets blame obamacare..hurrr'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'companies make money out of obamacare, it ain't there problem'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gruagach must be one of the unwashed masses who thinks he'll get free healthcare out of Obamacare. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'everybody knows that the goals of obamacare are establishing sharia law, cloning hitler, taking yer guns and making usa communist'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'oh, i forgot death panels and euthanasing old people'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'haven't most of those things happened already? :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and make kenya (where obama is totally born) the 51st state so obama's presidency would be legal'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'dang, that's clever'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and the left extremists are planning to make interracial marriages and abortions mandatory'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was just baffled at the assertion that somehow people thing that companies will suffer for Obamacare. They don't care, they reduce hours to avoid it, downgrade coverage if it already exists. How exactly does that make them butthurt?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas Joe Public, on the other hand, is hit by hours cuts, job losses, an average $7500 per family per year hike in costs'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so who exactly is butthurt?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'calculating who loses how much money is a bit complicated though'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i wouldn't mind donald trump being euthanised'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It's sufficient if you euthanize his hair, I believe'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who loses money. who gains money out of this?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone who experience job loss, increased taxes, or increased health care costs loses, anyone making money out of obamacare gains (insurance, health and pharma corporations)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'insurance/healthcare/regulators/some people gain, most people/normal companies lose'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i've heard that donald is actually a swell guy. it's the hair that's evil and controlling him'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what you're basically saying, Tinada, is the people supporting this liek Gruagach are either in those industries, are sociopaths, or are so retarded that they'll vote to put their own babies in a blender if Obama says so because he's black?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I think most people supporting [insert any policy you can think of] are largely clueless :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our UK Labour party had a conference this week and announced a raft of crowd-pleasing policies which everyone is going "good" at without considering their impact, without considering the problem they are attempting to fix, and without considering if they will actually fix anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same problem, different country'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'From Labour's point of view, the main problem is presumably that Labour is currently not in position.'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't know where to start with "the problems with Labour"'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bunch of nanny state authoritarian fuckwits led by a fake-geek'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ah, so you're a supporter'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i did consider voting for them yesterday'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'briefly'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and then you woke up and the nightmare ended?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, perhaps i needed medicating'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you always need medicating ;)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately i live in a country with socialised healthcare system, added to which self-medication is illegal'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i love living in a country with socialised healthcare system :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'the social tax is a tad high, but hey, i'm not crippled'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'nor in crippling debt'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, think yourself lucky you aren't crippled, if you were you'd get no help'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm not crippled because i got help'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the UK then'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but you would rather abolish than fix nhs?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure it can be fixed'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would certainly break it up into local bodies'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not for single payer at all?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think the problem with it is the single payer'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the issue is that in a large population with single payer, it cannot be afforded without restriction based on cost'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the second you limit care based on cost you have a broken healthcare system'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have a single-payer system, you also need to have the government provide all the services'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'otherwise you get terrible value for money'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not true'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what's happened'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we have national and private hospitals with one goverment healthcare fund'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the Nhs services getting farmed out, as a result the quality is collapsing'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have hospitals going bankrupt, nurses deliberately killing people, old people being left to die of thirst, it's all rather crap'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'yeah, we have the old people bit'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you have a situation where pensioners are frightened to go to hospital because it's the biggest killer of pensioners, your health system has a problem'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'not enough hospices and they pay shit salaries'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'additionally, all of the local hospitals and recouperation units got closed which means nobody has local health access anymore'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oddly, an idea proposed by Tories in early 1990s that never caught on might be the way forward - go with the NHS, but have all procedures "priced", so if someone wants to buy the service in the private sector, the government will pay that much as a subsidy towards the treatment'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'we have something like that. dunno how the prices are fixed tho'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that combined with breaking up the NHS into county-based bodies, locally accountable might reduce the overhead of centralised control'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people dissed the idea, claiming it was discriminating against the poor'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'like i said - i've been going to a private clinic for 15 years now'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've been paying for some private treatment, but it's barely enough to keep me able to work, nothing more - still in daily pain'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that ontop of paying for my NHS cover which amounts to about $700 a month'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i haven't been paying for it tho'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, i have, have to pay for my meds, too'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even though they're provided by the NHS'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'drug discounts are national anyway, and the doctors at the clinic just bill the national fund for their hours. in addition i have to pay a small visit fee'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be cheaper for me to buy the meds on the open market except you can't because it is illegal to buy most meds here without going through the NHS'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but most common drugs get 75-90% discounts'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'move to ukraine if you want to buy drugs from a market :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i shouldn't have to move from my own country any more than patriots should need to flee the US to escape maggot-infested democrat takeover'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but that explains why you are angry and have so much time to vent it on this channel'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maggots? that's like druzil speaking. maybe you do need meds :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'technically i should be working right now, only at home cos the car's in the workshop having it's bushes done'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'a few american expat friends of mine have been over the moon with the healthcare here'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that depends on their situation'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here, we moved from discrimination of treatment based on wealth to discrimination of treatment based on cost/condition (which is no better imho)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the US they're moving from discrimination of treatment based on wealth to.... well fucked if i know, some crazy corporatist fascist monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but yeah, health and housing are red spots'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'poke them on me and i explode'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you have social housing, right?'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, no'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we used to'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: '83% own their home here'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then in the 1980s, the then tory government allowed social housing renters to purchase their homes at below-market rates. Fine, but they also prevent councils from building any more'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this has led to all a situation where all the "social housing" is owned by private companies and landlords and rented out. The government just pays for the rent through housing welfare which now costs the country $40bn a year for which they get nothing to show for it. As a result, house prices are now beyond the reach of the majority of the public, with the average house costing 15x the average salary'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and none of the political parties want to fix it because inflated house prices makes the figures look good'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a false scarcity in the housing market keeping prices inflated, partly because of welfare/landlords, partly because of highly constrictive planning laws which basically only allows insider corporations to buy up large areas of agricultural land surrounding existing settlements, sit on them for 10 years until they get permission to build huge cramped ghettos on them as part of government "housing expansion plans". Joe bloggs can't build anywhere (except for in other peopls' gardens)'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hopefully that is cogent and understandable'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ted cruz is still going, wonder if he needs a shit yet'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interestingly, under US law it is entirely legal for the US government to perform experimentation on the general public, including experimentation with potentially lethal side-effects, without their permission'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is what everyone in the alternative media has been saying for a long time. Only now is it being squeezed out of the corporate/regime media: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101062461'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.foreign.senate.gov/press/ranking/release/corker-warns-obama-administration-against-any-action-to-implement-un-arms-trade-treaty-without-senate-advice-and-consent'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the Obama regime thinks it can sign onto any UN treaty without a Senate vote'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'Spends 20 hours speaking against bill, votes for it anyway.. its a teaparty life for me'
T3/r7/2013-09-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, in Truckee California....the record low is under freezing for every month of the year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'Syria, discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see that Syria discussion went well'
T3/r7/2013-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the mind games continue: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/25/Senate-Website-Gets-Second-Amendment-Wrong'
T3/r7/2013-09-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but incase Kizactrin ever pops back: Syria's a mess, leave it alone, should never have got involved, USA should never have armed and trained jihadi's against Assad, both sides have chemical weapons, the rebels and possibly either the regime or elements allied with it have used chemical weapons, it's essentially a proxy war and the real enemy is Saudi Fucking Arabia'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'anyone who likes skub is an idiot. skub sucks'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see Dagnir is anti-skub, those damned anti-skubbers'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'reality. what the heck is it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'a mob'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'reality - "i have strong muscles"  means "you make me feel good" "host my sperm now". or "...long live my genes". so in different timeframe reality is different. this all sucs. still have some booze left'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, can't help you there'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you are unable to help at all''
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'thats the my point '
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'not mine:p'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ever though why the hell you HAVE to do something all the time? insane. you DONT. but you do. all the time. this sucks too'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'debate channel is great. you drink, have ideaz, spread them and nobody cares:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nobody'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'total silence'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'two can play that game'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'total silence'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'see if you like it'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if silence were golden it would be worth $1350 an ounce'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'how do you weigh silence?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do it the same way that politicans do, make shit up as you go along'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you mean, make shit up a anybody goes along.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whichever you find easier'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit early to be drinking ain't it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'politicans need mass of attention. us, the gray pedestrians, need less.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its almost midnight here'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's really on your mind, old gray dude?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'same old.. genes talking shit, rebel alien spirit suggesting other shit'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tried the UN?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i know nothing about that bunc'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'bunch*'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'why do we strive to protect humanity if the rest of humanity doesnt give a rats ass about each other'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't strive to protect humanity, and we don't give a rats ass about each other'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course not, there is money to be made!'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bring on the end of the world!'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the russians are exporting krocodile to the US now......yay russians.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You would have to be a major idiot to use that crap.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'so I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf mutes. Discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'export? krokodill is a home cooked drug aint it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the russians cooked up 60 million doses last year, and a the kraze made it to the US....a couple of them ended up in the ER with flesh eating problems.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'The discussion is now zombies.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you get a negative reaction to the drug....it can eat your arm or leg away.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'thats pleasant. Worse than the effects of most drugs here in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'it is simple - if you cook it bad, the shit will clog your blood vessels, causing gangrene. '
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'you know, I have noticed a trend with drugs. If you can smoke something, the side effects are usually either minimal or take forever to occur. However, if you snort or inject them, the effects are more serious and happen much quicker. Anyone else notice this?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'btw, I was being serious for once.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'marijuana is still better, or shrooms.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it wont kill you.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'drugs are for pussies'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'marijuana is not a drug.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'instead of DARE, let's just teach kids that drugs are for pussies and fgts'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I was speaking of the more dangerous side effects, btw, not the super dee delectable effects.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and, marijuana in indeed a drug'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or we can just tax it like tobacco and alcohol.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, and the pine comb tea I made this morning is a drug also.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why don't we tax cocaine too?  why not tax violence against homeless people?  then we can raise LOTS of money'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'or violence by homeless people towards more upstanding citizens.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or we can just get a license for 24 hours to beat up koji......that would raise lots of money too.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'you would leave poorer and in an ambulance'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'now you two are going for "personal" blows. This is not a debate, it is a petty squabble =/'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'petty is my middle name....bring it on!'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'haha'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i'm enjoying his personal blow.. eh  eh he he'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'find a room you two :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyways, I have friends who have recreational smoked marijuana for over 25 years, and they enjoy it quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alcohol hurts more people than marijuana ever does....'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I have no doubt that recreationally, it can be enjoyable. However, I know people that "cannot function" without it. It can get ugly from then on. I am talking people that get super addicted and do almost anything to fulfill that addiction, such as theft, assault, betrayal, and other wretched things.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have never met anyone addicted to marijuana, but I have with alcohol, tobacco and hard drugs.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I used to be addicted to marijuana'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but we haven't met'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'at least with my tobacco addiction, I don't stand up the local corner mart.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's a mental addiction - not physical'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'just like an addiction to food or porn'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'or aard for that matter...'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, I used to be addicted to food....weighed almost 500 lbs. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'smokin too many doobies my friend'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, I hardly ever smoke...I prefer to eat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lost over 310 lbs in 14 months by changing my diet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I've never been addicted to food but I imagine it's quite similar to pot addiction'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'woah! that's incredible'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I am addicted to porn. Food- I used to be "addicted" to it, because early in life I had nothing to eat, so when I became an upstanding citizen, I partook in eating more than I should. Tobacco, I am addicted to, but I can withstand going without for a time. Caffeine- I may drink a cup a day, but I don't order the super expensive mega mocha sort of crap. What else...'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have seen the lungs of smokers, whether it be tobacco or marijuana....it isnt pretty, so I switched to eating marijuana in my green smoothies and baked goods.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'oh, I can't spend a single day without a few hours of reading. Other than that, and minor experiments over time, I am pretty much clean. I'll drink alchie for camaradery (I butchered that, I know) but I don't go past a couple of shots.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I stopped smoking pot b/c it's illegal and I didn't like the way I felt. Took awhile though, and was easy to go back at first'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone can lose weight if they just reduce the amount of carbs in their diet.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I reduced my carbs to less than 10 grams per day during that 14 months though, now I keep it around 100.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'you watching porn now kiz?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'for me the eating thing was more of a nervous habit from not knowing when my next meal would be when I was a wee little one.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'and yes, I am. That calander pic of you is simply delicious'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'gross'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a shame you didnt live in a hunting family.....go squirrel and rabbit hunting, or birds......man, roasted dove on an open fire is damn good.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'eh... I'm a vegetarian... but meh.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even pigeons are good, but kind of small.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'to each their own.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Were you a vegetarian then ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'squirrel is better than most people give credit for'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tree squirrel is one of the best meats that God ever gave us....'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'when I was a tyke and starving almost constantly? No. Anything edible was a blessing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and I can be a good sport to bag em too'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'gotta be a good shot to get em in the head'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, if you lived in the swamps of Texas or lousiana....you could FEAST on water rats....they are destroying the wetlands, and the govt offers a $5 bounty on each one killed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can fill up the freezer pretty fast hunting 10-20 lb water rats.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'that big eh?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, more related to the beaver than a rat.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'is there another name for those riz?'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, nutria'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'in oregon we have something similiar to that. Forgot the proper- yep, nutrias.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'they didn't catch as much as that here though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'in tigard there was a small group of those.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they were brought to the US for their fur coats.....made good coats...but it never caught on, and then some escaped.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'but they paved over most of tigard last I saw -.- so I don't know if the nutrias are still over there.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'had fried nutria last week....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have about 20 lbs of nutria in one of my freezers.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I can picture them as being pretty good eating, should I not be a vegetarian.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'but again, they are not that plentiful here, to my knowledge'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 3 chest freezers right now.....going to buy another when they go on sale again.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, lemon pepper fried nutria with jalapenos and salsa.....yum.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or tacos'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'black crappie'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, that reminds me....had some asian carp for the first time yesterday.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fried up nice and golden.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a friend of mine is going to bring me 100 lbs of asian carp next time he visits Texas......going to can it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pressure canning it will soften up the bones.....then we can make deep fried fish balls.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slaughtered a dozen more rabbits a few days ago....they were fluffy and 10 weeks old....7 lbs each.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cooked up 8 of them and dry pressure canned the meat, and froze the other 4 in pieces for frying later.'
T3/r7/2013-09-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Geez, what's that smell?  Guess Rizgoth needs to poop.
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'U.S. clean diesel vehicle sales increased 25.6% in 2012, almost double the overall auto market's increase.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bring back the persian empire if you want peace.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We need to increase the federal gas tax by 6 cents so that it is equal to the fuel tax of diesel.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'or we could decrease the tax on diesel'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, bad idea.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'very bad, we're broke bad enough already'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the taxes are too low as it is, they barely cover road expenses as it is now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'higher taxes arent the solution to our financial woes'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not talking about income tax here, talking about a tax that actually covers something important......replacing bridges, highways, and stuff is important....'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the replacement of bridges in the US has a backlog of almost $80 billion now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'call me crazy but i think we need to eliminate income tax and just do a sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'then even illegals and tax dodgers would be forced to contribute'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am in favor of a phasing in of a national sales tax as long as it is mandated in the constitution ammendments that the income tax be phased out first.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'hell ya. income tax is way more headache than its worth'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not gonna let the assholes initiate a sales tax and then renege on reducing the income tax....:)'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'you aware of the fair tax movement?'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'good stuff there, imho'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would also like to see a reduction of the social security tax to 5% each, and a 5% social security tax on capital gains.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the capital gains tax is 15-20% now, not even close to regular income tax....so a 5% social security tax on that wealth would shore up the SS program....'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but I also want an audit of the SS program to phase in going back to how SS was when it was formed.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'me too. '
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'SS was never intended to be the only income people had so that they could live alone.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was meant to be an additional income for older folks who at the time it was created mostly lived with family.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'yeah. it wasnt supposed to be a replacement for saving for retirement'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'raising of SS payments allowed those older people to move out and live alone.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'nor was it supposed to establish a retire-live-off-"welfare" age'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to have my mom live in the apartment I built off my new house, but she wont because of all the damn money she gets from govt.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'may as well be welfare now'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'yeah situations like that are screwed up. so backward.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it basically destroyed the family unit in the US.....immigrants who come to the US are more family orientated than we are.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, SS is going to be broke eventually, then we will be forced to go back to how it was.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'i hereby announce that i agree with everything you say now and forever lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'social security retirement benefits pay out based on the person's wages over their life time (i.e. how much they paid in)'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'it's much more like a forced savings method, not like welfare'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'The point is to ensure your mother would actually have a way to live, if she didn't have someone offering her a house. A lot of people don't have family (or good family), and they don't deserve to end up on the street because of that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people DO have family, a small minority of people do not....it was the same in the 30s'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'not everyone has a family that is willing and able to provide care for the elderly'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but it will keep getting harder as we lose the family unit.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'once the tradition of the family unit is gone....we are toast.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we will end up like italy with a negative birth rate and a huge ballooning govt welfare system for single old people.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'you mean we're not there already? :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I was watching a docu on asian people.....asian people amaze me....how they work together to start new businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'getting rid of social security, which is a lifeline for many disabled and elderly people, is an awfully harmful way to promote strong families'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'whole familes and extended friends getting together to start businesses, and using profits to expand and make more businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am not in favor of getting rid of it, I am just in favor of phasing it down to how it was in the 30s when it was created.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'i may disagree with the implementation of communism but you gotta admit,valuing group effort is definitely a good thing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'we've lost a lot of that in the mad rush of consumerism and individualism'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, there are many types of capitaliam......and the asians have figured out the best way to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'ideally there'd be a balance '
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'what was the name of that doc? I'd like to see it'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the whole family benefits when you join together.....united we stand baby.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seranha: 'a nation divided against itself cannot stand'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, Texas Cow Chainsaw massacre.....if a calf of a baby dies and you have another calf from a dead cow.....skin the dead calf, put the skin on the new calf and hope it fools the momcow into thinking its her calf.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er calf of a cow'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need to start sending the somali govt small arms to help with their terrorist problem......automatic weapons, ammo, rpgs, grenades, and other small arms should be sold....'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'but there isnt any oil in somalia so the US doesnt give a shit'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love some more cod, but none of my friends with boats are doing cod right now....they usually start doing crab pot cod a month before crab season.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Three days after John F. Kennedy was sworn in as president, a nuclear bomb that could have devastated much of the U.S. East Coast nearly exploded when the B-52 bomber carrying it broke up over North Carolina, according to a declassified internal report published Friday.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Three of the eight crew members died and the bomber's two Mark 39 hydrogen bombs each of them four megatons, 250 times more powerful than the device that destroyed Hiroshima, Japan, in 1945 separated as the B-52G crashed in Faro, N.C., near Goldsboro, on Jan. 24, 1961.'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What wasn't reported was that while one bomb plowed into the ground and disintegrated, the second nuke fired three of its four arming mechanisms and deployed the parachute designed to slow its descent to optimum blast altitude, according to the document, '
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a simple, cheap trigger failed to deploy on the bomb and prevented the bomb from exploding.......'
T3/r7/2013-09-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the bomb carried a destructive yield greater than all of the combined munitions ever detonated in the history of the world to that point  including the nuclear bombs that hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and we do have the most expensive health care system in the world by far.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly silly rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, 7th grader suspended for having a gun keychain the size of a quarter'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'a kid could choke on it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'better than a paper gun cutout'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the public schools in america are just a propaganda wing of the democrat party, so you kind of expect them to be brainwashed by any means necessary into thinking that nanny state socialism is good and independent thought is bad'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all just par for the course i guess'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'During the past decade of utility deregulation, the frequency and duration of outages has crept up, maintenance of aging infrastructure has been deferred, line workers have been laid off--and the salaries of utility CEOs have risen an average of 150 percent nationwide.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Maybe the idea of having shared infrastructure being run by a common entity wasn't so whacky after all. Who knew?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the infrastructure and the nature of the common entity'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US government is to 'shutdown', oh noes! panic!'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'better defund fartbongo care'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the period during which it is shut down will be characterised by stuff being fractionally less shit than normal'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would be nice if they finally shutdown the rhetoric.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the lies and exageration'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'at least it will screw hundres of thousands of people who work for the goverment, thats good'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that many?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'fbi?cia? nsa? airforce?army? defense contractors?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of those are affected'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i mean they still get to go to work, and will get IOU's'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, none of those are affected anyway'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'oh, so you don't know what you're talking about it.. got it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'only non essential parts of the budget would be affected.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is about 5%'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'riz has it right, it affects federal parks, museums, pointless shit like that mostly'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i guess it depends on if you count furloughed as shut down or not'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'well i do'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'because it happened for one reason, the goverment shutdown'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well therein lies your problem :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lack of funding isn't the same thing as shut down'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/26/news/economy/shutdown-furloughs/index.html'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's a bias issue with that piece'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the furloughed people always end up getting the pay eventually.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as well as a number of factual ones'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: '/facepalm'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deb furloughing is only a temp fix to push back expenses to a later time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they need to bite the bullet and start making the cuts that they need, starting with the entire TSA, FEMA, and DHS departments'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'gives the govt time to move funds around so that essential things can be paid for.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'oh tigernuts is one of those'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i see now'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just be thankful you have plenty of "fat" to trim, we have arse all in the Uk and no pot to piss in'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'the only true cuts that would save money is ones they would never make'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'dat military complex'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course not, they need to maintain and grow the power structure that allows these fat cats to further concrete their position'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my local council has now banned people from selling scrap metal to a scrap metal merchant'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'maybe meth heads will stop stealing copper now'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has nothing to do with meth heads whom we didn't have an issue with, it's to do with the local council wanting to make money out of a scrap metal collection service'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'use regulation to kill off your competition, you should look it up - it's what governments do'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you get what you allow to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'thank you alex'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we get what the fuckwits vote in, riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then create a lobbyist company to inform people.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you forgot the quotes'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'too bad more smarter people like you didnt get to vote extra'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"inform"'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's ok then, gruagach, we'll let you do all the work and pay all the tax and we'll sit on our arses and sponge off you, since you volunteered'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you're not volunteering, then kindly stop deriding those of us who give half a shit enough to want to fix stuff'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i pay more in taxes than some companies.. lol'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am for cutting the military budget by 25% though...would save $100 billion a year, and we would still be spending 50% more than we did when clinton was president.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'debating on aard=fix stuff...got it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people on welfare pay more in taxes than some companies, so that's not saying much is it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'lol..i'm sure that statment was true..'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'brb, showing in tinfoil'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'close down all the military bases in the middle east except 1 in kuwait that has access to the gulf.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you think you can single-handedly go out there and press a magic button to fix everything then talking to people to inform them ("inform") is an entirely valid strategy'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'close down all bases in europe except for that big medical one in Germany.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'naw'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'we like being able to have army guys in every country'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'we can refuel anywhere we please'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you honestly thin they'll let you take down some of their military control structure?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think*'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'no reason to'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it costs too much to keep them running, we waste billions on it for nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the public would be behind a massive write-down of your MIC'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'protection'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slow down production of air craft carriers to 1 per 10 years instead of 1 per 7 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'employee millions of people'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's a bullshit justification'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'k'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hitler didn't employ huge armies to gas jews and conquer the world because it "employed people"'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont care about european jobs of people working on foreign US bases.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'let the germans and french get jobs working for someone else.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'stopped reading at hitler..alex jones must have rotted your brain'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if your country's employment prospects are predicated on foreign military interventions, your country is fucked'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'good thing our country creates everything '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'or we would be fucked'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bereft on any intellectual argument you go for personal attacks? how very democrat of you'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'close down that last base in japan and move that fleet to either guam or back to pearl.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creates what?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'everything?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'second rate motor cars'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'you're on a softlayer server right now'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'on a computer'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'increase forces in south korea though......that is the only increase I support.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'over the internet'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'manufactured in china'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'yah'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'thats not the same as creating'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'we are talking innovation, invention'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'secondary education, everyone wants to come to america'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'world class health care with top notch science'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most things that come to the US via other countries were designed in America, but manufactured elsewhere.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're suffering from god complex :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't a healthy sign'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'not hard, when you are god'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mainly because chinese have no clue what americans want anymore than europeans do, or anyone else.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'we dont need china..if things went down we would impose an import tax, and start making our own shit..it would cost more and people would be mad for a bit, but we would be fine... what would china do if they lose 50% of their jobs over 5 years'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'back to the point, government shutdown will be obnoxious but hardly catastrophic, and is occuring because you have a dysfunctional government with two parties incapable of governing'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lower energy costs in the US is making it harder for US companies to justify manufacturing stuff in China, Vietnam or South Korea.....not to mention shipping costs keep going up, and the damn asians keep wanting to be paid more. :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i hate that obama keeps saying we cant use coal power.. we have so much coal reserves.. that is really the one thing that i cant understand'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'hurhur the planet, meanwhile everyone else is doing it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal is good, just use the technology that exists to scrub the emissions cleaner.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gore and Blood, eh?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has a 500 year supply of coal reserves that we know about.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Rizzer is right, you'd bring those suckers on line, get that pipeline built, get the stuff flowing'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We probably have 10x that what we dont know about.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'does that include Centralia, Pennsylvania?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't ever have that while the green-lobby and socialists have your balls in a vice'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it isnt the green lobby that is doing it, they lost all their power....it is the big oil companies themselves and congress'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt that's true, it's certainly not true in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for example in Alaska......Alaska has over 200 trillion cubic feet of natgas at prudhoe bay, but govt regulations and big oil prevents it from being tapped.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no one wants to spend $15 billion to build a natgas pipeline, even though the natgas is worth over $500 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'your leaders created a shortage of fish and coal during WW2, Tiger.  A logistically-impressive move, considering you're on an island practically made of coal and surrounded by fish.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fish are a contested resource'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or that HUGE uranium deposit that was found in the lower 48....it happens to be in an indian reservation, but big energy companies wont deal with indians to make it happen.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that mountain of uranium would power US reactors for 50 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we should not rely on nuclear'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't even start on nuclear'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a retarded idea'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '50 years isn't that long...especially if consumption rates in general keep trending upwards.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'between arizona nevada new mexico and even colorado there is lots or solar energy'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or that HUGE gold deposit that was found in Alaska.....over $400 billion worth of gold and other metals, but it wont be tapped either, has nothing to do with greenies, it has to do with mining companies that are dirty, and wont spend a little to be cleaner and protect the fish.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll do it when they get sufficiently hard up'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Chicago could power much of the US all by itself if every building had a turbine on it.  They don't call it the Windy City for nothing, you know.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my bullshit alert went off, hans'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is windy because of how the building layout of the city was planned....:P'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the big problem isn't generation but storage and transport.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Wyoming has 100x more wind potential than chicaco.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the rest of the country has a blackout when the wind stops'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'are bullshit alert scripts are illegal btw'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to have distributed generation'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and Texas has the most wind potential in the US.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why west texas is being covered with wind turbines.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and diverse type of generation'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the deserts are the future people'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we have lots of space to dedicate to pretty much every type of alternative fuel, but different areas are really, really bad for some types.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'deserts aren't people, Elchanan, they are places.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i guess i needed a comma there'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'west texas isnt a desert, it is semi-arid.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have lots of potential over there and a very low population density. If you can't sort it out you only have yourselves to blame'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the UK has lots of potential also in tidal power.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'deserts are the best places for anything that is energy intensive'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lots of potential are short sighted government won't touch'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'very expensive to tap that potential'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention the hundreds if not thousands of years of methane under your water off the coast.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't tap it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan is working on the technology to tap into that methane hydrates....give em some time...they need it also.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'howabout pumping massive amounts of sea water up into the driest most energy intensive areas in the country'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'salt kills soil.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'salt kills anything that needs nutrients to survive.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and what about those poor slugs!'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well dual action "pipe line" desalinates water as it goes northward and flushes super concentrated brine back down'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only good thing saltwater is for now is growing saltwater algae, but no one wants to do that right now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'desalination is astonishingly energy intensive, elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes it is '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why bother? use fresh water'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we could grow all our energy needs if we really wanted too, but oil, coal and natgas is easier to get right now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'algae is the future.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is way more salt water than fresh in the world'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we've got a shortage of fresh water.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''we', hans?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes tiger its a world wide shortage'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a freshwater shortage but a glut of population, considered at a global level'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, does salt water freeze at really low temps ?  That ice created would be fresh water correct ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well not 100% fresh but yes'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'currently the "we" is much of California and nearby areas, but the Midwest is expected to run out of sufficient aquifers in another 50 years if we don't get smarter about water use now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be ice containing salt'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'california is overpopulated'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'u could also evaporate it... but that makes collecting water more annoying'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you have lots of sun'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thats why i say pipe it and use solar to move it and purify along the way'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mine the ice.  Think of all the wasted water holding down mountains and clogging up trade lanes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pipe it from where?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'gulf of mexico most likely'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'CSP plants could double as water evaporation and energy production plants.....kill 2 birds with 1 stone.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'mars'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mars is full of perchlorate.  Very toxic shit to be messing with.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's stealing from peter to pay paul, elchanan, just man up and put in the desalination plants, or shed population until it's sustainable'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '2% of soil by weight on mars is water according to new tests.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes but how mig of a plant'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL: 'point is... until problem hits those fossilised chair warmers in government that still recall time when candles were keen invention... none of this is going to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it hasn't been long enough to launch the Fourth Reich, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and im taking about a desalination plant'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but make it part of the pipeline'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've got sun, you've got a coast, you have everything you need, but your state government pisses money away on welfare, victimising gun owners, and general assorted lame gayness'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'would be better to just let the algae use the saltwater, it converts it into fresh water, plant material, and oil.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why california is haemorraging californians and they're all spilling out and poisoning texas'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'use the oil for energy, the plant material for animal feed, and the water for drinking.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you dont have 1000 miles long by maybe 500 yards wide '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'libs from california do not move to Texas, the capitalists tht make the companies do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they are tired of paying high taxes in california.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, you get libs too, we had the same problem here with overspill of fuckwits from London'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): CheeZy Bot HiSaZuL falls to the ground and rolls around, laughing hysterically.
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'silicon alley in Texas is growing fast.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and burning wood chips for energy is just retarted'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's wrong with it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'because more biomass can be produced with biomass'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have the trees or hedging on site, then woodchip and wood generally a sustainable, economical, and carbon neutral heat source'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there are areas in the worlds that are lacking massive amounts of biomass so why burn it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then clearly they need a different solution, you need solutions that are sustainable locally'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'areas that are really sandy could use massive influxes of plant matter'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'local is good for something but when you cant get something locally then where do you get it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, research and testing shows that using 5% biomass like wood mixed in with coal uses 10% less coal'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the energy producer saves money'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and gains renewable credits.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only sensible if they have the biomass locally'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the US we do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal plants in Alaska use 5% biomass.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'LOCALLY, US is a big place'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal plants in Texas also use 5% biomass.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there is actually a 50% biomass power plant somewhere in new england.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if that is true riz then that seems to be worth the cost, at first glance atleast'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the biomass is turned into pellets and mixed with the crushed coal to be burned.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but there are still areas of the country that could use that biomass to help create new fertile lands'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some use wood chips though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too much biomass mixed with the coal though, and you lose the effectiveness of the coal.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your electric grid is one bit of infrastructure that should remain in public hands'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'natgas is good though...we need more natgas plants....they are quick to build and can be expanded easily.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the best part of natgas though, it can easily be turned off when power generation is higher than consumption.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why you need something like that to balance your renewables'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best close them all down, Rizzer, so Al Gore can have his huge government-handouts for his latest pad while people are experiencing brown-outs, going hungry, or cold'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'background is that in the UK, electric prices have gone up by over 200% in the last 12 years thanks to "green" policy and terrible policy decisions that benefits energy cartels'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was trying to compare UK and US governments and was wondering why the US government was such a clusterfuck when it came to funding things, then i realised that it would be a nearer match of circumstance to compare the US government to the EU parliament, which is equally as screwed up and dysfunctional'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'has nothing to do with funding actually...it has to do with the debt ceiling.....if the govt cant borrow money to pay things off, it has to move money around or not pay it.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'try adding some substance to your comments :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'businesses and self employed people pay taxes 4x a year so revenue fluctuates, and when you have a $800 billion deficit, it just makes it harder.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like define what you mean by "clusterfuck"'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and "funding things," could you be more specific'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sometimes when the treasury is low on money it needs to borrow money to make up for it....that is the debt ceiling.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'businesses do the same thing when revenue is not stable.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '3 months ago the revenue generated by the irs was actually $105 billion over what was needed to fund the govt, that was money was used to pay down debt.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about mechanics, the UK government for instance, does not have a debt ceiling and doesn't require a vote to raise it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therefore the only vote that takes place is each year over the budget for the coming year'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'really need to get the budget deficit back down to $200 billion or so, that is manageable, and allows for surpluses in some years so the debt doesnt keep going up so fast.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'US does not have an un-manageable amount of debt'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want a budget deficit of $0 so that the only debt you generate is from infrastructure investment'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has manageable debt provided interest rates don't go up'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(interest rates are going up, btw)'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and interest rates for US treasuries are going down.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '3x more people want to buy US treasuries than are sold each time.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'long term trend for intrest rates has been down'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not seeing any downward trend'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'are they below 5.5 % for 30 year bonds'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'back in 2006 they were around there'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3.69% for 30 year bond'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and have not been above since'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'intrest rates on long term bond have been falling over the past 30 years'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll creep up with inflation'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inevitably respective central banks will have to stop printing money, and interest rate will have to go up'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'interest rates should be similarly aligned with growth rates'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or an asteroid made of gold and platinum will plummet into lake ontario.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'high growth high rates'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interest rates and growth rates are not directly linked'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i never said directly linked'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor should they be aligned with anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if people have a hard time earning a return on monies they will require a lower borrowing rate'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the governmental debt is being controlled through a policy of robbing the public - 6% inflation, 0.5% interest rate'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflate that debt away!'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'inflation has not been 6%'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depends on what you buy.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation has been running at 6% for at least 5 years'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'exactly riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'overall it has not been 6% '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'overall on average it has been 6%'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'depends what you buy'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'inflation for me has been extremely low, not even 1%'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for me it's been >10%, riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well not in the us tiger'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a bit less in the US because of falling house prices'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i bough ny strip steak for 4.99 per lb today'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'real estate in Texas has steadily increased by about 4% a year for the last 30 years.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we didnt crash in 2008.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'certain things tho have inflated way more than others'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'think coffee was a big one :P'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I paid $6 a lb for 400 lbs of grass fed angus beef from a local ranch about 20 miles from where I live....that includes packaging in foodsaver bags, and butchering.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'tiger  interest rate fluctuate with business cycles'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure they do, elchanan, but the current interest rate is not pegged to a business cycle, it's pegged to a governmental crisis caused by themselves'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'with booms characterized by rising interest rates'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 1970s was definitely not a boom'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'twice in my lifetime there have been interest rates in double digits. Neither time was a boom'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tax free muni bonds in Florida and Texas pay around %5 for a 30 year bond.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well thats at the peak prob'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but there are different time frames'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a new toll project here in Texas just offered $4 billion in 30 year bonds that pay %5.6'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tax free.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'toll highway project that is.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas state muni bonds have a AAA rating.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the freaking bonds sold out in like 8 minutes....I never had a chance :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can buy some through a broker though, for slightly less return.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deb -h 4'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey dal'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should raise rabbits.....fried rabbit, yum.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and goats'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not goats.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'too much troublee.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, like people have room to raise anything'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can raise rabbits in a closet'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and those that do in the USA, promptly get jumped on by nazi city ordnance'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when i live in a parallel universe where i can afford a smallholding, i'll have a garden AND keep livestock, happy?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you own a house, you can have rabbits.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the UK, people don't own houses'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you have a small yard, you can have rabbits.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'people are too lazy to raise thier own animals for food'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'altho looks like with the whole tread towards local it might be a good idea'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd have chickens, not rabbits'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can raise my own food in an apartment if I had too......rent a small storage room, and raise rabbits indoors, plus grow veggies using hydroponics...'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you could sell a couple rabbits a month to pay for the monthly storage rent.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if people would think outside the box, they would do better.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no market for unorthodox meat types here'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not according to things I have read....fresh rabbit is quite popular in the UK.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've been reading bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ive seen rabbit is stores up in nyc'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'suuuure :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they selling venison for 2 quid a kilo just to get rid of it'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the local butchers who used to prepare and sell game were put out of business in the 1980s and 1990s by the large out of town supermarkets and their butchery cartels'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I local buy most of my food.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'except for those exceptional australian oranges......or clementines from california, or spain.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people here buy what Mr Tesco has cheapest'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'florida oranges dude!'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most are just glad to be able to afford to eat'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'support the penis of the US'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'florida doesnt grow clementines'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'florida grows 40% of the US tomatoes, yet has the worst soil for tomato growing.....fake tomatoes suck.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'where the hell do they grow them at in fl'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'had more than enough tomatoes of late :-)'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'most of homestead and that area got developed'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'currently enjoying the apples, blackberries and raspberries while they're in season'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you can afford blackberries and raspberries? even in season they're horrendously expensive here :p'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they grow wild'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I can afford to go outside in the garden to pick them'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apples are expensive now....even in season :('
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'picking raspberries is almost as bad as watching party conventions though'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I need a good apple hydrid that will grow in Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'none of them growing wild near here'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of my folks cookers got some form of blight'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what do you think about them mini cows riz'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and I fot a moment thought you were talking about electronic devices.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You should have lots of blackberries where you are maj.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'raspberries did well though'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'haven't seen damn-all'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what have you seen, then?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'lots of kudzu'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sugar cane?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could always send out for some of Rizgoth's genetically modified rabbits'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24319583 - in a push to ensure house prices stay out of reach of Joe Public, UK government brings forwards plans to further inflate the house price bubble'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who wants to buy my house for the low low price of $22 million ?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Ruinous Zaiph raises his hand.
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Gruagach can buy it with his food stamps'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, some woman wants cords to be banned on window blinds'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they kind of should be tiger'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'child safety and all'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps we should just paint them stripey illuminous colours and put large warning signs on every slat?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but hey survival of the fittest right'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what about those people with young kids..... buy curtains?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my blinds are automatic, no need for cords.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'some people arent smart enough to know those cords can kill children'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then those people probably aren't smart enough to be raising kids'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence natural selection'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm but normally the dumb ones are the ones having the most kids'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what do you suggest?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'window tint'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'banning the cords'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how does banning the cords prevent stupid people from having the most children?'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll take my blind cords from my cold dead hands btw'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i though we were talking about the cords in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I say add more cords to them.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sharpen them, rizgoth'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zaiph: 'Add more cords. Make them more complicated. Make sure none of them open up the blinds.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Majic: 'might as well ban toilets because toddlers can drown in them '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best ban chairs, toddlers might fall off them'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'best ban conservatives, they might speak publically'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably should ban toilets, nobody has a need for toilets in this day and age'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at the very least, have background checks for all bathroom and blind sales'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Elchanan, you can tell a conservative is speaking when it exudes contempt for anyone different [therefor assumed lesser] than itself. Just roll your eyes and move on.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Hope you don't have any blinds in your house, Whig'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Nope. thay are all in front of your eyes'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was expecting you to claim that you live in a yurt'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the sort of thing that haters do'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Try NOT to anticipate TN, you do it wuith such bias that you will always look silly.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm in good company'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have to blend in, you know'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'The 'stupid people' your usual contempt referred to has included so many people who were otherwise quite bright, but did not anticipate all eventualities when buying products. Nothing wrong with society trying to help, except for the contempt of those who want to somehow feel superior, KNOWING it would never happen to them'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very well put, but unfortunately entirely irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: '*snort*'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'No, not ireelevent, revealing!'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you bought high heels then broke your ankle trying to wear them, them fine, don't buy any more high heels, EVER, in your life. Even say that you h ate high heels because you hurt your ankles. '
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Don't, on the other hand, try and make high heels illegal thus denying them to everyone else who is capable of wearing them responsibly'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Your constant contempt for others who are 'not you' is a kind of conservative calling card'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't know the meaning of the word'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but by all means continue to entertain us with your bitter resentment of anyone not falling in line with the social programming you're playing out'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'well back to dinner for me. Gotta get ready to sign up for some Obamacare Tuesday! *!!*'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus was the peek of the intellectual debate'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, I love the stock market.....'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should own stocks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gruagach: 'i love the robo sells'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and dont buy freaking mutual funds.....you end up losing money easier compared to buying stocks.'
T3/r7/2013-09-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'index etfs are good though.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'does mudding do good things to your brain or bad things? i know it can damage the spine, and eyes. and trolling in bad english can affect your personality:P. but is it good for your mental health?'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aweyn: '"There's no difference between MUDs and MMORPGs" debate'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Virtually all municipal drinking water in the United States contains pesticide residues, and with the exception of organic foods, so do the majority of foods in the U.S. food supply. '
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'and there is no guarantee that organic does too'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'and there is no guarantee that organic doesn't too'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'organic farms used filtered water for the most part.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you people need to eat more chili peppers in your diet to help counteract the affects of those pesticides.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'preaching to the choir, rizzer'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that all the poison shit they put in the water and food tends to be allowed because of big corporations pouring money into the government backpockets to give them cover'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as the Montsanto act that they're now trying to repeal after considerable backlash'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto needs to raise its dividend.......give more money to the shareholders!'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it can do what it likes provided it stops abusing it's market position'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now it is 36.5 cents per share....monsanto increased it by 15% this year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er, it is 36.5 cents per share, and paid 2x a year.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at $104 a share, i should bloody hope so, that's a return of what, 0.6%?'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I luuuuuv monsanto stock price.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you bought em in mid 2010 maybe'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, I bought em in 2003'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'for about $14 a share.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and I see no reason to sell it, already made my money back by selling a few shares, so it is all gravy now.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto has the right to protect its IP.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure they'll continue to provide you a reasonable return, provided they don't get thrown under the bus in a giant anti-competition or bp-style pollution crisis'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubtful, their golden rice is going to revolutionize rice growing in Africa and Asia.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that the overhyped rice with fractionally more nutrition in it?'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is also drought resistant, and capable of more easily handling the wierd temp swings in Africa.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'someday Africa will be covered in a sea of rice.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here, have some yummy public school propaganda: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FO3NBqT3LBc https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cdPSqL9_mfM'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cdPSqL9_mfM https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=--DcTM0GmRA'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto is also developing a new cockroach, for the military.....it can eat into someone's body and then explode.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds good'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can use them on those pesky patriots'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto needs to come up with a new roundup'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or GMOs are going to be huge in the future.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'how about basf of 3m? why monsanto?'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they could use doing some formal long term safety testing of their products'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rather than throwing it out there and hoping it doesn't affect the biosystem'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'or 3m'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'basf is not american, and 3m is a different kind of company.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bayer aren't much better than Montsanto on these things, haven't heard of any specific slights committed by basf or 3m'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto is a pure biosciences company.....feeding the world, one seed at a time!'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'BASF doesn't make stuff.... they make it better'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose quote is this: "Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket."'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'our fine leader and chief'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sounds good to me, just means my solar power will pay off that much sooner.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yours, fortunately not mine, we have alternative rubbish globalist stooges in charge'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'you can have him'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he wouldn't do too well here'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'lately he hasn't been doing well here'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't matter, you've hit critical mass insofar as all teh welfare claimants and illegals will vote for him '
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same problem here unless we can convince the Scots to piss off'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, 3m stock has been stagnant for the last 10 years, unlike monsanto.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'there is Dow agrisciences too'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'mmm has been up 72% in past 5 years how is that stagnant'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '10 years ago it was $81 a share...it dropped for 5 years before going back up to 120 now'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all it did was gain back ground it already had, whoopity do.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'still not stagnant'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'monsanto on the other hand has not passed it highs since hit in 2008'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'p/e value is kinda high also....I prefer buying stocks that were 12 or under.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and has loss of like 2% over past 5 years'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'pe on mmm is lower than monsanto'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'monsanto is a gravy train, bought it when it was $14'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, like some of the best investors, I prefer buying stocks in companies I understand :)'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should invest in tomatoes.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can keep your stock market, i just want somewhere out of the way to live and be left alone'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'good luck with that.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'come to the US and disappear.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are thousands of abandoned cabins and homes up in the hills and mountains in various regions of the US'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tomatoes are the definition of pure compound interest.'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, DNC is $18.1 million in the hole and struggle to pay money owed'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Apple makes $350 on every iPhone 5C sold off contract'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the Conservative conference, chancellor George Osbourne promised that the next Tory government would run a surplus. Talk about delusional....'
T3/r7/2013-09-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sure do hope they let the deadline pass.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sneak: 'can someone explain the prolonged implications of the shutdown'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Ohhhh look at this. Gov't is shut down, only "skeleton crews" operating - and yet life goes on'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Holy crap. These plans on the exchanges have deductibles up to $10000. Who the hell buying health care through the exchange is going to have $10k laying around?'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I am majorely pissed. The last thing I hear before going to sleep is that the government is indeed mostly shut down. When I wake up, I hear people bickering like little schoolgirls fighting over who hates worms the most.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'excuse my language. Heat of the moment.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'doesn't this tick anyone else off?'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'All because our president wants to enforce a useless and complicated system of controlling our healthcare. Seriously? I told people that Obama wasn't the right man, and all I recieved in return is "dont be racest lol" when my points had absolutely NOTHING to do with race. I hate to say it, I really do, but I TOLD YOU SO. X_X'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'look past the color of his skin and he is an idiot. Don't vote for someone primarely because they are white or black or green or blue. Get a frikken feel for WHAT THEY WILL DO FOR OR TO OUR COUNTRY. Seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Kilfer claps at Blade Lord Kizactrin's actions.
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'all you little children that pulled the "you just hate him because he is black" get off your frikken high horse and actually vote for someone who will do our country GOOD next time.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'if we even HAVE a country. Thank you.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'I voted clinton the first time and whoever was running against him this time.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'help Troll harder.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'miss'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how's the not-very-shut-down government shut down goign?'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bode: 'as expected.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bode: 'more productive now!'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, nobody noticed except the federal workers who get some time off'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's getting some typically BBC'ish coverage in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'or the ones who need to work anyway without pay'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not evitable that they won't be paid'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it is a risk'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're quite used to disruption here, what with union strikes and stuff'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what do you think about the Occupy debit card?'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'haven't heard about that one, Hans, tell us abou tit'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was struggling to explain it to my british colleagues at work today because if the UK parliament fails to pass the budget vote it evitably triggers a general election'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you have to row them back, explain the american system, which means explaining that it's dysfunctional when split and there's no agreement, explain that it happens because the system wasn't designed to cope with the size, scope and complexity of the current administration'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ultimately, it's working exactly as designed'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Occupy Wall Street is attempting to become a financial-services brand for the 99%.  They're looking to start a prepaid debit card that runs on fees ($1.95 for withdrawals, $0.99 for balance checks, among others) for folks who can't afford bank accounts.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"can't afford bank accounts"?'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'bank fees are a bear, apparently.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find that entirely inexplicable given that bank accounts are free to hold here'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they tend to nail your arse to a tree if you go overdrawn, however'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we get totally screwed over with mortgage/loan rates'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i guess you win some, you lose some'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'many banks have overdraft fees, some have retention fees if you go below a certain amount'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of them have access fees such as off-network ATM usage.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there exist accounts here with subscription fees which give you extra features like travel insurance, but the vast majority of accounts here are free provided you have a positive balance'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our ATMs are free, except the dodgy ones at "events" and in some malls'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is awesome, though: http://freebeacon.com/wwii-vets-knock-over-shutdown-barrier-to-visit-wwii-memorial/'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i love to see old folks sticking it to the man'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lots of credit unions and smaller banks point and laugh at the bigger ones like Bank of America, who have actually made it a point to get rid of customers.'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'have to say I'm pretty happy with my credit union'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the banks whose profits are mostly from investment banking don't want nor need highstreet bank customers because the central banks are giving them free money to spend'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wish we had more credit unions here'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i notice the shutdown didn't stop the opening of a $2bn NSA spy center'
T3/r7/2013-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do they need a occupy debit card, why not set up an occupy bank after the UK model with zero cost banking?'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the future of GMO foods is putting in the lacking amino acids in foods like fruits and vegetables...that is the holy grail, and it would change everything.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'imagine eating an apple that had a complete protein profile......'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'or poison us'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'very little chance of that.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'famous last words'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have been changing foods for thousands of years.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'only for the past few at the cellular level'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'slightly changing the genetic makeup is the next logical step.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'and there will come a point when slightly goes too far.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the distant future we will have machines that do it instantly....like food replicators.....creating a food with a perfect nutritional profile.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'then we only need to define perfect. and life would suck if we all lived on some tastless green slime'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Can say that about everything.....so perhaps you should go back to living in a cave...but then again, that was a next logical evolutionary step...so perhaps go back to sleeping on the floor of the jungle. :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps we should stop all research on making microprocessors faster, cause who knows maybe they will gain sentience someday :p  You dont stop research and development of things because something might happen, you do it because odds are it will improve life in leaps and bounds.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and gmo foods do that.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'just like everything else, it is how you use things that matter'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'on the same page though, I also want open disclosure of what was changed before it enters the food supply :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and proper labeling on food ingredients of gmo foods.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'besides, global climate change is going to force us to adapt, and that will require producing more food with less land, and more variable weather patterns.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that forestry lab in the pac nw that was burned by the ELF idiots was doing research on creating a tree species that captured more co2 than existing trees, and grows faster, which would be a real benefit with an atmosphere with increasing levels of co2'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need a new pine tree that is resistant or immune to the bark beetle....otherwise the tree is going to go extinct.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'scientists are working on it.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ooh, A plant with a sugar flower, a perfect protein berry, and carbohydrate leaves.  The perfect salad.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'add olive oil and there you go.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The U.S. deficit, which has acted like a crutch for the weak private sector and weaker state governments, isn't just shrinking. It's disappearing, falling nearly 50 percent in the first nine months of FY2013 from a year earlier with sequestration setting in.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess the world isnt going to stop rotating after all.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the sequestor is working.....the automatic growth of govt has been stopped in its tracks, now we just need to fix broken govt programs and funding, and do it smarter.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which isnt going to happen as long as those idiots in congress will not work together.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the idiots in congress are working fine, it's the idiots in congress and the idiots in the senate not working together, which is slightly different'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how's the obamacare sign up going, anyone found their insurance premiums reduced yet?'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why is the white house ordering parks closed that have no resources provided by the federal government?'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the latest is that the obamacare fines for non-compliance will be seized direct from your bank account, your driving license will be frozen, and there could be a tax lien placed against your house'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the latest is that the obamacare fines for non-compliance will be seized direct from your bank account, your driving license will be frozen, and there could be a tax lien placed against your house'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so no threat'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'they'll probably use that money to fund the post office'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Razkin D
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'http://thelasttradition.blogspot.com/2013/10/msnbc-anchor-laughably-cant-access.html'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, saw that,a nd a couple of others on tv too'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'post office is self-funding, apparently, which is nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, it funds itself like a business.  ie. no taxes are used for it'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and is losing money, unlike the UK postal service'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, well, since it's run like a business, it responds to the market like a business'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ie. if no one wants their service, then they lose money'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know, everything is really messed up.  I can't even get upset about it anymore.  I'm like over-saturated with my frustration, I can't even feel it anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ohh, teh wife is home. gotta go'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, nobody debating since this time last night?'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a serious disengagement problem'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ted Cruz drew a larger crowd for a grassroots rally last night than Obama got for his headline rally appearance on the campaign trail last year'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bigger by a factor of 4'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why has Senator Reid blocked a motion that would fund national parks and the VA during the shutdown?'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't know why anyone is doing anything anymore'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's coming to a head, the IMF have stuck their oar in, predictably'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I reckon the houses will blink though in reality what they need to do is tell the IMF to go to hell'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's really only the brainwashing of the regime media that's buying either side any support right now'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jessie Ventura appearing on Piers Morgan had it right - get rid of them, don't vote for either party, vote for anyone else buty'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's a scary day when you're pointing to Ventura for common sense, especially being on Piers Morgan'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'by the way, he's still here, you guys need to take him back'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck that, you get to keep him'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and jessie's fine'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I actually don't have any problems with Ventura, it's just that he sometimes get riled up about different conspiracies'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'd take him over Piers anyday'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've never seen him be irrational about that, it's usually ignorant interviewers that deliberately misinterpret what he says'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, his comments do tend to get blown out of proportion, that is something most media enjoy doing'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we're approaching that lovely debt ceiling again, hopefully the government will be up and running in time to fail at handling that'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wall street are making a fucking fortune atm thanks to this'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DC police executed an unarmed woman today, btw'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I saw that'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA! USA!'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'her kid was in the car, or at least last time I checked there was a kid in the car'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, the lady was nuts, but they seemed to shoot her pretty quickly'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'of course, I wasn't watching t.v. or anything, so I kind of read about it after it happened'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she wasn't even nuts, she just got flustered at a roundabout and the DC cops flipped out'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know how ditzy women drivers can be'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ahh, I didn't read that'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm married, so I don't know if I should answer that or not '
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ran into a cop, so that's why they shot her'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'is that the cop that was injured?'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'when I last checked on the story, all I could find out was that she was dead, a cop was injured, and there was a kid in the car'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, everything I'm seeing, still says she was fleeing the police'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's normal to shoot fleeing people?'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm pretty sure that's illegal :-)'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't feel bad though, your mind is built to rationalise and justify the actions of perceived authority, even when it is unjustifiable, that's how Hitler got away with shit'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the woman was probably on anti-depressant medication'
T3/r7/2013-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's my prediction, i bed 1000gp :-)'
T3/r7/2013-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest news, UN scientists say the Ghoutta chemical attack work is so full of inconsistencies and inaccuracies that they may dispute entirely the narrative put out by the US and it's allies'
T3/r7/2013-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meanwhile Russian ambassadorial sources have gone on the record claiming they have significant evidence the attack was perpetrated by an Al-quaeda group with chemicals provided by the Saudi Arabian government'
T3/r7/2013-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a bit of luck, if these two are true, shit could get real'
T3/r7/2013-10-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US surveillance of the Internet will cost the US economy $180bn over the next 3 years alone as foreign companies are obligated to not use US cloud servers'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the fascists in Michigan have banned all heritage pigs from farms in the state....the DNR instituted a $10,000 fine per pig if one of your pigs on your land has any of the vague unknown characteristics of a 'feral' pig.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'every farmer in Michigan should get a couple heritage pigs.....bankrupt the facists in the govt as they try to enforce the anti pig law.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 4 blenders, and 2 food processors.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why? testing different ones?'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, I never throw em away when I get a new one.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ha'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sounds like me, I got a new toaster and kept the old one'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, my new toaster can toast texas toast......it is a must. :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well, the new one is a toaster oven and not just a popup toaster'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I use it for all kinds of stuff, baking potatoes, etc'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my new toaster is so powerful, pop tarts glow in the dark for years after cooking.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'onions are strange plants.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'first the states ban heritage pigs from small farms.....eventually they will ban heritage fruits and veggies, and other animals, so that only the big commercial food producers are allowed to grow food.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'heritage pig?'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, non commercial hogs.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'man.. i thought it was just corps like monsanto trying to push their "invented" crops.. but banning natural occurances? lets just stop evolution completely while we are at it. nothing will go wrong here.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a small hog farm that breeds heritage pigs was fined by the michigan dnr $700,000 for not killing their perfectly healthy, and friendly pigs by the deadline.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the farm is suing the michigan dnr'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'i hope they win, that is ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the lawsuit has been going on for almost 2 years now.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the state keeps trying to stall it, and asking the judge to dismiss it.....the state does NOT want to go to court and have to defend how a pig is considered feral or not.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'hope the farm is getting some help with the legal bills'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'sounds about right.. they know they will lose and other farmers won't be scared anymore'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, the legal team is donating their time, and they have raised about $50,000 from people donating.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'or at least they deserve to lose.. i guess with our society they could win..'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well michigan is well-known for defending the indefensible'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they jailed a guy there on marital rape on completely bogus charges'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if they ban non commercial breeds of pigs from family farms....what is next?  the banning of non commercial cattle or chickens ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'basically, she sued him for divorce and for rape at the same time -- they froze his assets for the divorce, so he couldn't pay a lawyer, but they wouldn't appoint him a lawyer because he had too much money -- that he couldn't touch'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'michigan defended it for years'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they finally paroled him, but he spent 24 years in jail -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Hetherington_case'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so I wouldn't expet this state to be rasonable on anything else'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'michigan is run by facists.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, aljezeera.com reported the US commando strike in Libya and Somalia hours before US networks did.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nobody in the US thinks it's strange that the US is attacking people on the other side of the world. That's just the way it is supposed to be. It's barely news.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'well, its been going on for generations now.  many people seem to accept the world that they grow up in as being normal'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's really sad.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'al-pork-sha-kabob claimed the bombing, so we sent commandos into their hideout.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the mall attack, not just the bombing.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'To be fair, I bet a lot of people do care. It's just that they are not protesting loudly enough.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aljazeera.com reported that alkabob members were bewildered as why westerners would invade their hideout. '
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So am I.'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, considering that the alkabob members are mostly foreigners in Somalia themselves...they have no right to wonder why other foreigners would not attack them for attacking the mall. :P'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dhampir Jutduli: 'they are using certain polotical party's logic...'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The demopublican party?'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'no, jsut the republocrats'
T3/r7/2013-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Both the US parties seem to agree that it's ok to kill people, if they are of another color.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'human urine is a very good fertilizer.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I talked to a psychologist a couple of weeks ago, the idea of using human urine/exrement as fertilizer seriously upset her.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'urea is one of the most commonly used fertilizers'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I asked in a very serious voice whether she wanted to talk about it..'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'why on earth ... '
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'would that be upsetting?'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Search me, some shrinks are..odd :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'it's much better to pollute the environment by looking for places to dump human byproducts while using chemicals to fertilize the land?'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'my soul issue with humanure, is pharmacueticals'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'does animal excrement as fertilizer upset her too?'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'sole'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, of course, chemicals are like 100% pure natural products'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I wouldn't want my crop to be erect for more then 4 hours without an agronomist on call.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'going to use diluted urine to fertilize my 4x20 foot corn patch, and compare it to one with just the 2 feet of composted soil and see if it helps since corn is a notorious user of nitrogen'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well that is why you wash your produce, even if it wasn't produced with human shit, do you think the migrants who pick it walk all the way to the portajohn when they gotta go? :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'will apply the diluted urine once a week for the duration.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'will you eat a consistant diet?'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a horse ranch closeby, so I can get truckloads of free horse manure mixed with hay to make into compost.....it is great stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all my raised beds will be using horse manure compost from now on.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I plant right in the earth, no raised beds'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have always used raised beds with compost of some kind, crushed rock for mineralization, and other compliments.....it just grows better than plain dirt.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is easier on the back also.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and Texas has lousy soil, mostly sand and clay so it has to be mixed with compost for good results.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'using biomass to produce energy vs using biomass to produce more biomass'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'any one have an educated opinion'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'burn coal with 5% woodchips.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea i heard you mention that the other day %5 woodpellets to increase output of coal by 10%'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'seems like that one might be worth it'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'do you think by amending very sandy soils with compost matter one could make land more suitable for growing palnts'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course, that is what I do.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'awsome have you taken any before after pictures'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I use shitloads of horse manure mixed with hay, piled about 5 feet tall, sprayed with water, covered with a tarp, and 5 weeks later you have a nice rich compost......at the 2 week mark I remove the tarp and mix up the pile, spray with more water and recover, and let sit for 3 more weeks.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pardon the pun.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or kept logs on the amount of compost needed '
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, no logs, I just use it when it is needed.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have about 20 truckloads of horse manure composting right now.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im thinking if you dug out like 2 -3 foot deep filled with compost and then cover back out with the sand it might be benifitial'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'usually get a load whenever I am going near the horse farm.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like i doug oa 4 ft hole a long time ago my dad finally filled it in with raked up oak leafs'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is what I do....I remove 2 feet of the sandy soil, fill it with my composted manure, then put up 24 inch tall raised beds filled with more compost, that gives me 4 feet of compost for growing stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and lmost instantly it started growing some of the lushest greenest grass on the whole property'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'every few months I add more compost to the raised beds, it just compacts down over time creating super rich dirt perfect for growing almost anything.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ahh cool i think you could do it with a yard too'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'for growing green manure type of crops'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have grown lettuces, beans, cabbages, corn, radishes, carrots, tomatoes, eggplants, peppers, herbs, squashes, melons, and lots more with my composted raised beds.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion . o O ( can you spell  psilocybin? )
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'iI though cabbage can grow well in sand soils'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'putting in a 20x20 foot covered 12 inch raised bed to grow short bush tomatoes as an experiment.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'have you ever though of millet beds or something like that'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wish you could take cuttings from a mature determinate tomato plant....'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hate growing from seeds :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there has to be a way to do tomato cutting i would think'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i was also reading the other day about guinea fowl'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can with indeterminate, but you have to take the cuttings early from a determinate, a mature determinate dies after the tomatoes are done.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'pretty cool birds they do a good job at insect reduction '
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'an indeterminate tomato plant can produce tomatoes for years.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they also like to eat what is growing in your garden, so keep them out of the growing part, just let them eat the bugs before the bugs get to the growing part.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'is there no way to knock a tomato pant back into a vegetative growth  with artificial lighting ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well what i was reading was saying they dont really mess so much with the plants'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at Epcot Center, a chinese biologist grew 32,000 tomatoes from 1 plant in 18 months, the tomato plant covered 630 square feet.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'awsome'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i wish i had like 100 acres to mess with'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 150 acres here, but 100 of them are for the cows :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how many cows does that handle'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I only have 10 cows and 1 bull, plus the calves.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and do you have any mini cows or goats'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '5 donkeys'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chickens, and rabbits'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that sounds about right for grass fed calving cows'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 's few minis might be lucrative'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like 2 cows and just artificially impregnate'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the cows pay the property taxes and keep the lights on until the tomato business takes over.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, tomato and pepper business.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'was also reading how a few goats can increase the production of a pasture'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so do pigs.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'since they are foragers and cows are grazers'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i would use a pig as scrap desposal'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd like to get some cows to do the bookkeeping, didn't know that also did taxes :P'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, they are good at paying property taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they can, elch, but they're also MUCH more difficult to fence in'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'goats?'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why I wont have any goats.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea that prob very true'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pigs eventually'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I will ... I live in kudzu territory! :D'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I dont want pesky goats to keep trying to eat my tomatoes and peppers :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea a pig or two could be good any scrap tomato and stuff like that they can despose of'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'do you have a working dog'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, I have a sleeping dog.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well that wont help with the goat'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you'd need a hell of a herding dog to keep a bunch of goats away from tomatoes'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'don need a bunch of goats just maybe like 5 does and 1 buck'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'would think one dog could handle that and the goats pay for the dog'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have enough pesky deer around here trying to eat the garden, installing a 6 foot link fence around the garden area.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well that solve the goat in garden problem'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic nods at Elchanan.
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'those free ranging guinea fowl  sound cool '
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure if you enjoy screeching all day long.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they also work as alarm birds'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'free range chickens are better.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and never get peacocks......even worse.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but chickens scratch up the ground and are not as efficent for pest control'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'my dad had free range guineas, the hawks took care of that'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea need good escape cover for birs'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'they will take out chickens too'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is why you need a rooster....the rooster is smarter then the hens, and keeps watch...willing to sacrifice itself to protect the hens.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and a good 12 gauge shotgun to shoot the hawks when you can.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, hope to can up 30 lbs of chicken the next time chicken goes on sale at the store.'
T3/r7/2013-10-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'picked up 12.8 lbs of pineapple in #10 cans, they are dehydrating in my Excalibur right now.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Arist: 'The US isn't going to launch as much as a football at NK as long as China is their buddy.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why would the US give a fuck about north korea?  real life isn't a video game where you want to capture the enemy base'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'if n. korea is going to sit around and rattle their saver eveyr now and then who cares.  as long as they are all bark and no bite, let that sleeping dog lie.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'we seem to be trying to capture all the other bases'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'This whole debt ceiling crap is stupid......the payment on debt is about $400 billion a year....and the revenue of the US govt is $2.4 trillion....the debt payment can easily be made....just keep the 800,000 federal workers on furlough, and make the payment, then keep the fedworkers unpaid for a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'only if they pass that as a budget, or raise the debt ceiling.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only reason they need to raise the debt cap is so that bonds can continue to be sold and bought and keep paying the fed workers, and the programs, since bills come due at different times than revenue is there to cover it.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'without the debt ceiling increase to cover all the bills, they wont have the cash to cover all the bills...so you lower your bills temporarily, ie fedworkers furloughs, to have enough cash to cover the important stuff which is the debt interest payment.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'only if you pass that as a budget.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you dont need to pass a budget to furlough workers and make the debt payment.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the debt payment is automatic, if you dont have the cash..you default.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yes you need a budget to decide how to spend money.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'other money yes, but not the debt payment :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'congress voted to spend on social security, defense, roads, so that is all automatic to, just like the debt payment, republicans voted of those things.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can pass a temp budget of $35 billion to cover the interest payment for the month if they wanted.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I hope it goes til the 17th of the month.....just to see what happens.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then perhaps people will finally get half a brain and vote out both the neocons and libtards.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but that is wishful thinking.....the avg voter has the political knowledge and memory of a turnip.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'got that right riz'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'its time we let the moderates take back the parties and start getting stuff done again.'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'biggest problem is that it's way too easy for the fringe nuts to get the fringe nuts to get out the vote and not enough moderates turn out to support them'
T3/r7/2013-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'err, oppose them'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The technological singularity, or simply the singularity, is a theoretical moment in time when artificial intelligence will have progressed to the point of a greater-than-human intelligence that will "radically change human civilization, and perhaps even human nature itself'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Arist: 'It'll get engrossed into playing Tetris and we'll be safe.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'is it hard to become that guy with the stick that conducts orchestras'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Thraykun: 'How are you all doing wuth the goverbnebt shitdown?'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, the nobel prize went to the higgs boson scientists.....wth, anyone could have found it with a $2 billion machine!  :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'In the information age--assuming the saying "the more you know, the more you learn how little you know," holds true-- will all information at our finger tips, we now know nothing  '
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'with all information*'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we still do not know how to fly a spacecraft faster than light....so we dont know everything...:('
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I had some 8 year old gas in a forgotten gas can.......mixed it with some octane booster and it ran just fine mixed with some oil in my generator and chainsaw.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'didnt use the mixed oil/gas in the generator though....'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I did not mean to imply we know every thing just that the information we do know is at our fingertips'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and if we did know how to fly a spaceship at the speed of light if people cant agree on how to use that technology what really does that achive'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'also what good is knowing how to fly lightspeed if you dont know how to stop the ship or even make the ship return, hell even plot the course it flies'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'take the issue of factory farming some people object to it for x y or z reason, think it should all be ended, but then at the same time they bitch about people starving in the world'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if everyone who had some land kept some beef cattle or meat animals on their property, we need that many factory farms.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and could mandate stricter rules for the factory farms.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we wouldnt need so many factory farms that is.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'very true riz, however soo many people claim it takes too much time, too much cost, too noisy, too smelly, dont wanna butcher thier pets, or even have ordinances against keeping animals'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'have to go afk now ...'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only reason we have factory farms is because most people are not willing to pay 10 cents per pound more for chicken, not even going to talk about beef...beef is way too expensive in the store now.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well the anti-facroty farm people will pay that 10c and more'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is actually cheaper to buy fresh beef from a local farm and have it slaughtered...but you need to buy 400 lbs at a time.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'factory farmed chickens have to be pumped full of antibiotics all the time, just to stay alive in those conditions.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but we dont really have food problems in the us, i mean after all we are pretty much the fattest country in the world'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'king of hard to make money off of chicken to the masses at like 15c per lb'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'kind'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are not fat because of food consumption, americans are fat because they are inactive and lazy :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people who work on farms eat 2x the amount of food the avg american does and can stay trim.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'to be continued afk now'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, Texas wine......'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like james spaders new tv show....the blacklist'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is a shame it is on nbc though, probably wont last a season.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Switzerland will be holding a vote soon on whether to introduce a basic income of $2,800 per month for all adults, in a further sign of growing public activism over pay inequality since the financial crisis. '
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In March, Swiss voters backed some of the world's strictest controls on executive pay, forcing public companies to give shareholders a binding vote on compensation. '
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a universal stipend for all adults is an awesome idea, but requires an extremely rich country to achieve it'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i did some fag-packet maths on the cost implications of a $100 a wk payment for all adults in the UK and it worked out at $450bn a year, which would more than double the welfare budget, and would represent 50% of the entire government budget'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no sign of the move to impeach OberFuhrer Soetero'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I guess the faux shutdown must continue'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'british government shut down in 1939 and never re-opened'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the US, antiviral drugs to treat hiv costs about $18,000 a year for 1 person using an american manufacturer, but after the UN passed a global drug initiative to reduce the price of hiv drugs worldwide, a drug company in india has made the drug cocktail for $3000 per year in Africa.  American companies that make the cocktail have been fighting it for years to overturn the initiative.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US govt voted against the initiative and thus wont give money to programs that fight the spread of hiv in Africa.....how is that for moronic self centered bullshit.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The U.S. oil and natural gas industry contributes more than $1 trillion a year to the U.S. economy.  We could double that with more domestic production, and create millions of new jobs.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'According to a study by ICF International, expanding domestic energy development in Americas offshore areas could alone generate $1.3 trillion in government revenues over the next 20 years.'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but USA when possible'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'especially land abundant products'
T3/r7/2013-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'land intensive rather'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I could never be a doctor.....too many damn rules and regulations....I would want to be dr frankenstein or something....pushing the envelope of medical science.....would probably end up in prison...:p'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why doctors are all quitting/retiring'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first the lawsuits, now obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'what do you think it is about obamacare making doctors retire?'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or in the UK's case, working hours and boxticking'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tickbox culture backed up with fear of fines and/or lawsuits'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e the lawsuit problem magnified'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'not exactly'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tis what they're saying'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and Obamacare actually gives funds to states that make reforms in mal practice suits. Like Oklahoma'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you explain that to them, then'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they're all quitting then chances are they know something you don't'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'What is making Dr's want to retire is the push towards more centralized health care removing decision-making from them and putting it in the hands of administrators - something happening long before Obamacare. And it is also Obamacare's reduction in Medicare payments, the req that if you take any Medicare patients you must take them all, and the elimination of dispro funds'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doctors are quitting private practice because of all the bullshit paperwork they have to do now.....the avg doctor spends 5min with a patient, and 6 minutes of paperwork for each one.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so they are leaving programs like medicare and going cash only.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the exact problem we have in the UK, along with them not being able to give the care they want because of care rationed by cost'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Obamacare did not increase the amount of paperwork Dr's must complete for Medicare patients...'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we're now having problems hiring doctors period, the ones we get speak poor english and patients are getting pissed off'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'DRG's are a completely separate issue not addressed in Obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, docs have been leaving for the last 20 years, there is a doctor shortage in general medicine.....most new docs are becoming more specialized because the paperwork is less, and most of the jobs are with hospitals.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, that's definitely not true in the UK, Rizzer'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'You are right that Dr's are becoming specialized, but it's not because of paperwork - it's b/c specialized medicine is high-end and high-earning'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'general medicine docs make on avg $220k, specialized like surgeons make $280k on avg.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'In fact, specialized medicine will likely have more new technologies meaning more paperwork to get reimbursement from Medicare/Medicaid/Insurers, and perhaps a higher possibility of lawsuits as well'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people aren't interesting in the minutia, they want good access to a family doctor, and they now no longer have that in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'There is a big shortage in rural areas, that's true'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a rural problem'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a nationwide problem'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's more acute in rural areas. You will have no problem finding a doctor in NY City'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because NY city is not in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'need to make all hospitals and the medical field non profit.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many used to be, they won't be any longer'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're in for interesting times, but one thing is for sure, you ain't about to suddenly get cheaper care'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'open up the field to real competition and prices will come down.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now insurance companies have monopolies in the states they cover.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no field in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in the US, Obamacare sets up a corporate monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'The UK spends $3400 per capita on health care, the US spends $8200'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'http://kff.org/global-indicator/health-expenditure-per-capita/'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and almost certainly not even true'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'is it? You're talking about cost of care, and Riz is discussing monopoly/free market'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It's from a reputable source, which I just gave you'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's irrelevent, tipro'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a drug is expensive here, you just don't get it'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'right, because per capita spending is no indication of health care costs'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's as simple as that'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're comparing apples with oranges'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if we opened up medicare to everyone under age 26.....and eventually to allow anyone in for basic coverage with small copays like in germany and japan....insurance companies would be forced to compete for the first time.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well argue that the US spends more per capita on fast food'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'If a drug is expensive here, you just don't get it...'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, tipro, that depends on if your insurance or bank balance will cover it'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Yeah, so most of us don't get it'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most don't means some do, which is more than zero'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'making it more than the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'unless you are an old fogey and get bushcare drug benefits.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which costs the taxpayers $60 billion a year now because the govt is not allowed to negotiate better prices.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for those drugs those of us here who can afford it are then forced to go abroad, which means it comes under that country's expenditure'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Well I know you can buy private insurance in the UK, and I don't think these drugs are outlawed, they just aren't on your NHS plan'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's not in the NICE drug list, it cannot legally be prescribed'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why people often go abroad for treatments'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you want to visit Germany, and you dont have insurance...you can buy their govt provided full insurance as a tourist for $3300 per year.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'my donkey could come up with a better national healthcare system for basic healthcare than those idiots in congress.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'do you really have a donkey?'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have 5 of them now :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'that's cool'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SnapDragon Shazam: 'his an farmer :-) '
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'south american pygmy donkeys.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your figure of $3400 a year is utter bullshit, btw'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'can you find me a more accurate figure?'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8dY-3hzSftCMng5TFBkaFdSb3M/edit?usp=drive_web&pli=1'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'breakdown of governmental spending by department in 2012'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'assuming 70mil people which is an overestimate, that makes $4200ish per capita not including private healthcare or prescription costs which are also huge'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, have donkeys, chickens, rabbits, cattle, and deer on this property....plus some wild pigs, coyotes, armadillos, opossums, squirrels, and who knows what else.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course we shoot the coyotes on sight when we see them.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also doesn't include local government spending on elderly health care which isn't split out on the document'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means yes, it's probably still cheaper than the US, but is more than half the cost'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have 50 adult deer, and at last count around 16 fawns.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you ever ate a coyote'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, when we get a coyote, we put it up against the outer fence....it keeps the deer away from that spot....they are afraid of coyotes.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'always fact check, even if the site looks legit :-)'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the worldbank gives total for UK at 3609 for 2008-2012. I'm not sure just dividing the numbers up from that broadsnap shot is really the best way of doing it, and I'm going to trust the similar numbers given by these other two organizations'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I know the Kaiser Family Foundation is reputable :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they're clearly wrong by some considerable margin'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ya never know they might be tasty'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a coyote is just a gangly wild dog that is extremely mean, and will bite your ass off if given a chance.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'always shoot them on sight.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Canis latrans'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'each one of those deer is worth more than 100 coyotes.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well people would give ya shit if you ate a dog, but know one cares about coyotes'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol wonder if you could ship coyote meat to china'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you know some people over there would eat it'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt you could ship it cheap enough for them to choose it above their local rodent population'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and thier st Bernard farms '
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we have a 130 acre forested/open field piece of land for the deer, and another 100 acres for the 11 cattle we now have....bought 10 black simangus, and a pedigreed black angus bull.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but no mini cows'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, no mini cows, perhaps later...and some russian pigs.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever the rights and wrongs of obamacare, it's good to see that just like the UK, the US administration is incapable of rolling out large IT projects'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think those things will sell ...'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, not US administration, US regime'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'as pets or even a milker for a family'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, we can sell hunters a weekend to shoot a buck on our property for $6000, all expenses paid :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'deer are worth more than cattle.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'do you gont any doves on your range'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no idea.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some geese land on the lake sometimes.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'when they are migrating.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're discussing on newsnight whether Janet Yellen will reduce QE, the so called experts are suggesting she'll reduce it. She won't. period'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh, also have 2 turkeys....named thanksgiving and christmas :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'dont think dove are migratory'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but if you have a feed plot and then a watering place'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then you shoot them in the fly way in the center'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have noticed about 5 distinct groups of deer in the ranch though.....usually a buck and a bunch of does and fawns.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I drive the fence line every morning to make sure the coyotes have not broken through the fence.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you see the deer all the time grazing.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i often nearly run over deer on my way to route'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Muntjac's are considered a pest species here'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I love grilled venison.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wont kill any of the deer for another year or two though, need the numbers to get to 100 first.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hey nuts, you should move to Texas, and work on the ranch...we could always use another hand....help with the gardening, feeding the cattle, clearing brush, building new buildings, digging ditches, etc....good american ranch/farm work......room and board provided....bunk and beans :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd never get a visa'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'for everything else, there's mastercard'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone can get a visa....even saudi arabian terrorists.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, honest people can't'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that i'd be much good for you, too badly spacked up'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'appreciate the offer, however'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they certainly wouldn't let a libertarian and patriot in, they only want mexicans and communists'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'marry riz and get a visa that way'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you think we actually work on a farm?  We use tractors to dig ditches, chainsaws to cut down brush, and drive a golf cart around the ranch to feed the animals :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the young guys build the buildings, gives me plenty of time to mess around in the gardens and orchards.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we also have a ranch cook for the employees, and 6 of them live on the ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to hire Chuck Norris'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'to work the chuck wagon'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'chuck has a ranch in the area.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he has over 300 head of cattle.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't pay to be an elderly celebrity in the UK, they're arresting them all'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'back in the 1860s, we would have paid you $1 a day plus bunk and beans.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you just have to contend with an invasion of californian fake liberals trying to ruin your state'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right, libtards rarely move to Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're already there'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They end up shriveling up and dying.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt libtards would survive in Texas, aren't they mostly in small pockets of Oregon and Washington State?'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the only place liberals are allowed to live in Texas is Austin.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, and the proper texans in Austin bitch about it ceaselessly'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's by design, apparently, Austin is an Agenda 21 test case'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is now 44% hispanic, and it will be 51% by 2020 if current birth rates continue.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're screwed'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell no, most of my friends are hispanic...they are good people.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they might well be, but as a group they vote >80% for authoritarian left parties'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most hispanics in Texas vote republican.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the nearest town to our ranch is 92% white.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a town of 4000 people or so.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably need to get the non-republican voters to vote independant'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the next town after that is about 30,000 people and 82% white, but also has another 10,000 people in the prison, and death row....'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the Texas death row prison is about 30 miles from my ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'around 20,000 in the town i live'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is executing 2 people this week, one was last night after his last appeal was denied.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the guy killed his parents, 22 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'because of the prison in the city, the city is ranked last in Texas in avg income of a family......makes the whole freaking town look poor, even though it the opposite'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '1/4 of the population is in prison in the city, and another 25% is in the large university in the city.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'messes up all the avg figures.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '30,000 doesn't make a city'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more like 40k, and 40k is a small city.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a cathedral or royal prerogative makes a city'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a 1/4 acre rural plot with a prefabricated, condemned bungalow down the road from me sold at auction last week for $190,000'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we paid a $7,000 back tax and fees payment to the county for the 220 acres for our new ranch.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'property tax here is around $2000 a year'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for a small bungalow on practically no land'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nobody likes to live in the middle of nowhere anymore, so we got the land cheap.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it is only half a mile from the town of 4000'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite the opposite here, anywhere out of the way with building permission makes a bomb'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the key is the building permission, the corrupt government has people by the balls - the only people who get planning permission on agricultural land are the big land banks, finance and property corporations with their bribes and revolving doors'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shortage of building land is why properties are insanely expensive here'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much every problem the UK has is a result of corrupt Robber Barons running the country'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so get the people to rise up and remove them.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is needs is China to lob a few nukes over'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't happen, Riz, the people are dependant'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they havent stole the technology from us yet, give them some more time.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when you get socialism at the ground floor'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China? they already have viable nukes'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but not a viable icbm'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they have short range missiles'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't need em, they have stealth submarines'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no they dont.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do!'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope!'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can always hope, maybe there'll be some sort of major nuclear disaster that wipes the UK out'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll leave you with this heart-warming tribute for Obama's new healthcare law: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/09/college-grad-says-obamacare-has-raped-my-future-in-viral-letter/'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'romneycare'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the total cost of sentencing someone to death and housed at death row is now at $ 3 million per inmate.....compare that to an avg of about $35,000 per year to be in regular prison.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Since the Supreme Court reinstatement of the death penalty in 1976, there have been 8,300 death sentences, at a total cost of $25 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorun: 'death sentences or executions?'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'S E N T E N C E S'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorun: 'so what % were carried out'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some states sentence people to death, but never actually kill them....they die on death row :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I'd be fine with eliminating the death penalty and having life in prison really mean life in prison -- if you want them to have a chance at getting out for good behavior, sentence them to 90 years instead of life in prison'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Gorun: 'they should just reopen alcatraz and send all the worst people there and let them make all the rules and make it a reality show'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ha'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, the govt opened a new super max prison in a giant tanker ship....it travels around the world....'
T3/r7/2013-10-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is going to replace gitmo eventually.'
T3/r7/2013-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Jericho is a good tv show....should bring it back on a real tv network.'
T3/r7/2013-10-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I want to see Texas kick the crap out of Wyoming in the civil war II'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Should transfer all national parks to state control.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kilfer: 'obamacare is the worse thing to happen since slavery anyone else seeing this shit on tv?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'I'm still shocked people thought drastically increased coverage '
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's idiot democrats for you'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'no difference between Republicans and Democrats anymore, just the words they use'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'authoritarians and libertarians are the new distinction'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was having a stilted debate with fellow brits about spying today, and it's stunning how many idiots buy the MI5 lie that trampling privacy is necessary to keep people safe, and that Jim Snowden's whistleblowing harms security'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think the world is fucked, well at least US and UK is'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'not quite but close enough, but the two main pastries fall under authoritarian'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the majority of them do, Glarvo, the ones that don't are easily recognisable as "qooks" and "anarchists"'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could just about count them on one hand, which isn't great out of 600'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's even worse in the UK, there's nobody'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'well the US's and UK's domestic video surveillance was established by a private UK company, not the government'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'well it'll be easier to revolt and recover in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't, we have nothing here'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no weapons, no money, no ability to feed ourselves'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also there's less call for it because our police haven't been militarised and aren't brutalising everyone'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody noticed their rights going because we never had any to start with'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'what were you watching on tv about obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't watch tv, dunno what rizzer was watching'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'the problem is the us's police have actually not been militerised'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'they were given the equipment but not the training'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are being trained to treat everyone as prisoners and brutalise them'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and ignore rights'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'if they had the training, there would not be these levels of abuse of power, deaths, and incidents'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a big think going on at the alamo in texas soon, a big open carry rally which the police promised to arrest everyone at, despite open carry being legal there'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a bit of luck the police will get shot'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'they aren't training them is the problem just letting then run wild with a license to do anything.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bullshit, you are required to show knowedge of gun profiency before you get the license.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'if marine mp and AF security forces took over domestic policing, we wouldn't see the abuse we see'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'riz i am talking about domestic police getting military equipment but not military training'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they aren't training them the fundamentals of rights granted by the constitution, that's for certain'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone can show gun knowledge after using it for 5min, it then takes time to get better at shooting it, but you dont have to be a crack shot to have a concealed license....but if you have one and shoot an innocent person while trying to take down an evil doer...prepare for a civil lawsuit.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the problem with law enforcement is the state and local police have had federal agencies "parasite" on them'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most people should just have a shotgun at home anyways, and perhaps some rifles.....but if you want a handgun of good quality....at least go to a shooting range a few times a month to get better at using it.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many sheriffs are still constitutional and perform traditional services'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'if more States switched to a standard probable cause instead of the standard of reasonable suspicions that most have, we'd have the protection to prevent most of this'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and oathkeepers are looking to get vets and ex-police/emergency services organised into local emergency response cells'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glarvo: 'see ya i got to go shopping'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how interesting...a serial killer that uses the blood of his victims to paint paintings of them.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't find serial killers interesting :-)'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all brits like serial killers....most of your kings were one....:p'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just one?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'brokeback mountain.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, fresh elk meat and beans.....cowboy food.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'The republicans are shutting down the government to try to get their way,  It is the only way to stop the Affordable Care Act, they don't want to shut the government down, but it is the only way to get what they want.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'I wrecked my (unlisenced) motorcycle 6 months ago, and after 2 sugeries and months of physio re-hab I paid not one cent, even though I have no lisence to be on the road, the Road Accident Fund (RAF) paid for everything. why should I get away with that here when you guys in the U.S. argue about premiums?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can do that in the US, the hospitals are required by law to treat you, but you will then receive a bill for services that will bankrupt you and your family.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'are you arguing that SA shoul change or the US'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'why do we as people need to be given such crap for everydat life (in my opinion) I think insurance is as useless as a bank '
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'banks are useless?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: '(in my opinion) yeah'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a better system would be a fee for service program......if you need an xray it is a $40 copay, break your arm?  $100 copay, etc.....those are the prices that insurance companies make with the hospitals.....but if you pay with cash...you pay $500 for the xray, and $2000 for the broken arm.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'how does that make sense?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and taxes would be taken from sales tax to cover the program.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is how japan does it, and it works quite well.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'sales tax... that makes a bit of sense'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'but why should such a value be put on healthcare when war is tolled out so freely?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it makes more sense for the govt to offer a basic health care system that encourages people to get checked out each year so that illnesses are found early when they are much cheaper to treat.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'war on drugs and war on terror? what about war on insurance or war on unfair taxation?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'so much money is spent here in S.A. where we don't need it (i.e. illegal arms deals) and none where it counts (i.e. infrastructure and minimalization of inflationary effects) '
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'health insurance is one of the largest lobbying powers in the US.  nothing will ever pass without they're consent.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rsp'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ban lobbying by for profit businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'I don't mean to be abrasive but... none of this makes sense... '
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'not that I'm a communist, but how exactly is democracy working out for us?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are not a democracy, we are a republic.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'technically, so is South Africa, but this place is a shambles'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'should replace congress with donkeys....then things will get done again.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'My final say is that MAYBE (Just maybe) we have yet to find a system of governance that works for the greater good?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'show me the money!'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'yeah Riz... sounds more proserous lol!'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would sure like to see private industry get to mars and the moons of jupiter.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'now that would be something!'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'but, unfortunately, as a species, we're fundamenally insane....'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'watching Europe Report'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Europa Report that is'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'long distance flights in space will require rotating segments of the ship to prevent too much degredation of bone density.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'we'll probably progress more, here in Aardwolf' than in congress'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): An enigma, Duvala votes Rizgoth! Maybe you should too?
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I just feel that private industry can do something better than govt can.....but healthcare is not one of them, because the profit margin gets in the way of life and death decisions.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): An enigma, Duvala is agreeing with that Rizgoth person again...
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I do think Europa has the best chances of finding life somewhere else other than the earth in our solar system though'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we should be sending probes there and planning a mission to get under the ice and see what is there.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, that is something I didnt anticipate on Europa....ice quakes.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) An enigma, Duvala: 'sounds inhospitable... what's the verdict?'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the whole moon is covered with ice that is pulled and compressed by the gravitational pull of Jupiter.....so that force would create ice quakes'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the solar flare activity has dropped like a rock on the sun.'
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion . o O ( there is Calixto... )
T3/r7/2013-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Exiled To Aphelion . o O ( and let's not forget Ganymede... )
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you know, the age of carbon fuels saved the whales....otherwise they would be extinct.'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That can't be true. Fosil fuels need 100s of millions of years to be created, but whales are mammals, so less than 65m years old.'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure it can, we used to use whale oil for lanterns.....then carbon fuels replaced whale oil removing our need to kill them.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ah, you mean that. Gotcha.'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'now just the japanese and icelanders kill them to feel happy.'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The United States estimates it will be at least another decade before it completes destruction of the remaining 10% of its chemical weapons, estimated at more than 3,100 tons. Russia has more than five times that amount left to destroy'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'IMO we should just sell them to DPRK, Iran and China.'
T3/r7/2013-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'getting rid of the last chemical weapons will save the DoD at least $1 billion a year in storage costs, plus testing, to keep the weapons up to date.'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'DoD needs chemical weapons, after all, how else can they set it off and blame their political enemies?'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll not get rid of all of them, at least not publicly'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, find iraqi wmds yet?'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, define WMD'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'no. '
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in that case yes, i found some'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, iraq had plenty of WMDs found...just not dirty ones'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are the ones that USA sold them to fire at the Iranians in the 80s, and there's the ones that were sold to them from various parties that Nato destroyed in GW2 which caused large numbers of lifelong illness among their own troops'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'were they the ones we were told they had as an excuse for war? no'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think there is now any question at all that the public were deliberately lied to inorder to justify empirism and kingmaking in Iraq'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto Afghanistan, a self professed waste of time and money from all parties concerned'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts, btw, do you think we should scrap social security?'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right now? no'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'why not, wouldnt it help the economy?'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indeterminate'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'VD, understand that when talking to Tigernuts, you're not talking to someone in or from the US...'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's the issue i have about it, if you run it like a tax system like the UK does then it is an unfunded black hole'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i personally would prefer a system of universal benefits alongside personal pensions and health savings accounts that are backed by government protection and special benefits'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts why a pension system at all.'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'you know back in the day, people used to send the old off to die'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I want to be euthanized when things look bleak for myself.'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ontuct how about even sooner, as soon as you no longer are a productive member of society?'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm, it's not really a pension system'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'that way we can tax your estate as it passes on to your relatives'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an encouragement for people to provide for themselves in old age'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts shrug, the government struggles even to make parents provide support for children.'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'how can we expect it to ensure that old people provide for themselves as well'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'tough call, some may already deem us unproductive, we are playing a game instead of bettering the world to someone elses standards'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why none of anything you hear from my mouth will be about mandating things'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ontuct so imagine how much better society would be :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but yes, social security in both countries is wack'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is the fight against 'President Stompy Feet' going?'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, californian school kids can pick which gender bathroom to use regardless of their actual gender'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperBlooper: 'Can anyone back that up?'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'AB 1266'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from jan 1st'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperBlooper: '??'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another stupid way of dealing with a non problem, basically. If you want to properly protect the rights of transgender kids, you should have a third, gender neutral locker-room/bathroom'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'AB 1266 is the number of the bill, SB'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the meantime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hytkAaoF2k&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear what happened in Maryville, MO recently?'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '12 witnesses, a video of the event passed around at school, audio/video confessions by the perp, and a rape kit all support rape and sexual exploitation charges against a high-school football star, but the charges were dismissed.  The victim tried to commit suicide twice, the victim's mother was fired from her government job, the victim's brothers were threatened with beatdowns, they were booed out of a football game, and someone burned their house on fire...all as a result of the charges brought against the football star.'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the name of the football star '
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think it's Matt Barnett (grampa was a congressman or something), but that might be one of the victim's brothers.  Lemme go see if I can get a link to it, 'cause it was blowing up FoxRadio something fierce today.'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/12/4549775/nightmare-in-maryville-teens-sexual.html'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jerry sanduskyesque'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'More like Steubenville'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american football and the whole football college thing was always a paedophile haven'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and those soccer nuts are all cannibals.  I can see now why there are so many flops, nobody wants to piss off the other guy TOO badly.'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and soccer fans, woowhee!  They riot like they all came from Watts.'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sport replaced real tribalism'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why nobody gives a shit about anything anymore'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i found most interesting were the walmart 'riots' when the foodstamp cards system went down'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Black Friday carnage didn't phase you?'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was thinking more recent'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this was at the weekend'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'll have to check, but I think in most years more people died from trampling in a Black Friday stampede than from shark attacks.'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this was just people stealing shit loads from walmart because the foodstamps conked out'
T3/r7/2013-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many sociologists reckon it'd take 48-72hrs before people start stealing/rioting, so under an hour is pretty good goin'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'better game, tetris, or columns?'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'like column the old cga game'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude nods.
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'then columns'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'k'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I just heard on the radio that upwards of 33% of Americans can't pick out their next-door neighbors out of a lineup.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'not surprising consider the population density the majority lives in'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I wouldn't be able to'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'can you even see your neighbors?'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what news, folks?'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'newsflash, Michelle Palin said something that was both factually accurate and not entirely ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you know that the US Senate is re-interpreting the consitution on the fly, and in some cases flying in the face of established interpretation from the supreme court? You might have a problem here'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'redefine the dictionary (plus deliberate misinterpretation) --> redefine/reinterpre/ignore the constitution - reinterpret the laws (similar to what commixzars did)'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do not have the power to re-interpret existing laws'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and certainly don't have the power to re-interpret the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but whos going to stop malfeasance if they put up a united corrupt bipartisan front'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what options do Congress have for disbanding the Senate and forcing a re-election?'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'basically none.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therein lies an issue, because Congress are the peoples elected representatives, the Senate are nto'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err not'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they do the "christian" thing -- discard the parts of the scripture/constitution they disagree with, misinterpret the parts they agree with -- do whatever they fancy while misquoting the scriptures/constitution for support -- might is right'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is accurate, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what you said neatly applies to all government and religion'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the senate is also elected.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is elected, but is not representative'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the may not be represenative, but they are senitorial  (not sure what we are arguing here, they are both selected by voters.)'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Cheney showed that gross misinterpretation of the laws was possible -- the Democrats learned to do the same, (courtesy of the Republican corruption during the Bush administration)'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess the question is, which has primacy? which is the most representative of the people? and the answer is neither and the congress to those two questions'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and from what i understand of the origins of the system, it was deliberate to ensure large states were both represented by numbers, but also pegged back from domination via the senate'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is both a strength and an achilles heel'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'that is basically correct, but we can't disregad the senate without disregarding the constitution.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have trouble explaining it all to people here in the UK because the US system is badly misrepresented by our idiot media who never both reporting anything past the utterings of Jay Carney's arsehole'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nearest i've come is: "Imagine the Prime Minister is elected in a seperate vote rather than being the head of the party that wins the election, imagine he puts forward a budget and it is voted down by the house of parliament. Now imagine he complains bitterly that he's being held to ransom because he can't get his bill through"'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in reality if the government fails to pass a budget bill there's an immediate vote of no confidence that forces new elections'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trouble is, the two systems are incomparable on numerous levels, you have 2 houses, we have 1'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we also have no states, so it'd be closer comparing the US government to the EU government'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'The problem here is we won't punish people for not getting things done in the quiet between disasters.  You will still get to pick between a too left of center democrat and a too right of center republican, and even with a 5% approval rate for Congress. 90% of them will get re-elected.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, you definitely need a third party, although shedding all of the federal government and handing responsibility back to the states, as was originally intended, would also solve the issue'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'an incumbant democrat is rarely challenged by a more effective democrat, and an incumbant republican is rarely challenged by a better republican.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, well the republicans are facing a fight from the grass roots inside their own party, trying to wrest it from the hands of the neocons that have ruined them, such as McCain, Graham, Boner etch'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'etc'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the problem with third parties in the U.S. is the winner take all system makes democrats and republicans hard to beat.  Many third parties are too far from the mainstream to do anything.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've not seen any such move from the democrats, just that their party is going bankrupt because illegal immigrants don't tend to donate much'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same problem in the UK, Malkar, the system has built itself specifically to protect it from being usurped by anyone outside of the vested interest'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why, wherever you are, US, UK, Europe, anyone not from the "establishment" politic gets demonised, whether it's UKIP in the UK, Marie LaPenn's party in France, or the Golden Dawn in Greece'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'question is, will Obama force a default, or will the GOP capitulate and wander off into obscurity leaving the USA to die at the hands of rabid authoritarians dressed up as progressives??'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if he forces a default, will the congress have the guts to impeach him?'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'of course, the idea of the republicans wanting default as a means of winning the 2016 election is beyond considering. They are the victims here.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'also, the idea that if the president were republican there wouldn't have been a government shut down is rediculous.'
T3/r7/2013-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'is this the end of the republican party?  who wants to be part of something co-opted by extreme conservatives'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhuli: 'Is the US going to default on it's bills?'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'soon we'll know'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'so will there be another 11th hour 'deal' in january next time? the US gov't is out of control.'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evening folks, world ended yet?'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chase bank have moved to limit cash withdrawals and ban international wire transfers from nov 17th'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'evidence mounts that powers within China are manipulating the price of gold while the chinese central bank purchases hundreds of tons'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I name them. The eighteen US Senators that voted to destroy the US economy, and by inevitable extension, the world economy: Coburn (R-OK), Nay'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I name them. The eighteen US Senators that voted to destroy the US economy, and by inevitable extension, the world economy: Coburn (R-OK), Nay'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I name them. The eighteen US Senators that voted to destroy the US economy, and by inevitable extension, the world economy: Coburn (R-OK), Nay: Cornyn (R-TX), Nay: Crapo (R-ID), Nay: Cruz (R-TX), Nay: Enzi (R-WY), Nay: Grassley (R-IA), Nay: Heller (R-NV), Nay: Johnson (R-WI), Nay: Lee (R-UT), Nay: Paul (R-KY), Nay: Risch (R-ID), Nay: Roberts (R-KS), Nay: Rubio (R-FL), Nay: Scott (R-SC), Nay: Sessions (R-AL), Nay: Shelby (R-AL), Nay: Toomey (R-PA), Nay: Vitter (R-LA), Nay'
T3/r7/2013-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Source: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=1&vote=00219'
T3/r7/2013-10-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a load of shit, Arnica'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the US bank's capital controls are starting'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'freedom - if you don't have the option to not make a choice, you aren't free at all. so, no freedom for you today.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, british company doc martens is for sale....perhaps the chinese will buy it, or Nike.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if you read that last thing, you DID make a choice not to answer:)'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and the biggest and weirdes unsaid worthless question of all time: "why the heck do we have to do something ALL THE TIME"'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'unasked*'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we really should step up research in organ replacement.......too many people die each year that could be saved because of a lack of replacement organs....'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no, Rizgoth. medicine has damaged the evolution enough. we are dumber and weaker than 100 years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i know i am'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the vast majority of people are allowed to be stupid, we only need a few smart people to keep things running.  You are the eloi :p'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you say that now, in 10k years we are all idiots. monkeys will take over'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'doubtful, simians are an evolutionary offshoot of the homo species....they have gone nowhere in 2 million years.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our common ancestor was more intelligent than the simians.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not to mention technology advancement has rocketed upwards in the last couple hundred years as farming became more efficient.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i hate deep thoughts. i blame the internet to cause the hatred'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ssshh. im 34 and i think im going stupider every year. thanks to internet. more deluded, grammar gets worse, more shallow etc.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'before email you had to really think hard if you were writing a letter to someone. because you had that only attempt.. now he/she'll reply if it wasn't enough in 20 minutes.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'huge amounts of gold has been discovered in and around Darfur Sudan........the gold rush is on!'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '$2 billion in gold is expected to be mined in darfur this year.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, Japan is South Sudan's largest oil customer at 110,000 barrels a day.  China is 2nd with 60,000 barrels'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan loaned South Sudan $900 million to keep its economy humming when they had to turn off the oil temporarily because of a fee disagreement with Sudan in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'howdy riz'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'long time no debate'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Japan is also building a new pipeline in South Sudan to increase oil production in the country by 60,000 barrels per day.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'howdy.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'nice'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'yeah, Vonliege disappeared'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps he was called up and is serving in Afghanistan.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i think US should do some investment in Ba(Na)^2'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I see. Hope he gets back in one piece'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why do we need more bananas ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or the city of Banana Of DRC'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'check where the location of city is on map'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the chinese and japanese are investing heavily in south sudan to get first crack at the huge oil reserves that have been discovered lately.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thanks to new investment by the asians, 2 new oil fields are coming on line next year, sending more oil to japan and china.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'I was reading something about china doing something in Angola too '
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i believe in Soyo'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US is smart though, our oil companies are helping Brazil to tap into its huge new oil fields.....pretty soon Brazil will be exporting a few hundred thousand barrels of oil to the US each day.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea brazil is a good one too'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea brazil more stable'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'stability isnt the key though....location is.....its really cheap to export oil to the US from Brazil.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, we could probably build an undersea oil pipeline from Brazil to Texas if we wanted to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not really a point'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'be cheaper to fill up super tankers though, and go the 1000 miles by boat.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'we have soo much energy in the US'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but we would prefer to help out our local friends when we can.....a couple hundred thousand barrels a day wont break us each day.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'No reason to not buy some else where if we get a good price'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we spend about $400 billion a year on oil imports right now.....even with domestic production going up.....so sending some to Brazil would be better for the US than say Kuwait, or Nigeria.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'food should be even cheaper in the US!'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can blame ethanol for the high price of food now.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'should be so abundant it has to be given away in cases'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'How many acres of tomato plants do you have riz'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'corn producers can make more money selling to ethanol producers than feeding it to cattle, pigs, and other animals.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and since corn prices are so high now, wheat and soybean farmers are switching to corn.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea im not even that big of a corn fan'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so food prices go up.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'corn = lots of bushels per acre'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'when compared to soybean'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'tomatos can get like 45,000 lbs per acre'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'global cooling is taking place.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well its would if we removed some big deserts  '
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with japan and china helping, south sudan has a chance to create a true african civilized country.......we shall see.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i wonder if there are any plans for massive desalination plants over there'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, only the arabs in saudi arabia build those, or abu dhabi'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'see they should go for massive solar fields with indoor gardening'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in saudi arabia, the govt sells fresh water from its desalination plants for only 1 cent per gallon to businesses, and the residents get the water for free.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'think the largest desalination plant in the world is in Australia ... and its it sitting idle'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'think it was 150 billion gallons per year'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Arizona should build a desalination plant for California on the west coast, and in exchange, california gives up an equal share of the colorado river.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there has to be a way to pacify the deserts'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure there is, increase global warming, and the jungles will take over :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'process seems to be pretty slow'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'before the last ice age, alot of Africa was covered with forests, or at least lush grasslands.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'sand is just nasty'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer forest.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'or grasslands.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'without enough organic matter to  keep it together its covers every thing'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'will kill grass land'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all you need is rain.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the toughest desert will bloom.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'get too much sand and when it rains it washes sand away'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not much grows on sand dunes'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ever see death valley after it gets a couple inches of rain?  The flowers and grasses survived about 2 weeks before the heat took back the valley.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and if you remove what is growing on them ... the dune blows away'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea ive never been to death vally or at least its been a while'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there was a rare rainstorm at death valley a couple years ago, and the lush green grasses and flowers was just amazing.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I bet Nevada was an amazing place before the rocky mountains ruined it.....or after the glaciers melted.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ive been out in nevada'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'it still is a awsome place'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just needs well water and lots of it'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sudan is a terrible country.....hopefully South Sudan will do much better.'
T3/r7/2013-10-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, $1.4 trillion more than has been sent to Africa has been removed from the continent in the last 30 years.  No freaking wonder they are going nowhere in development.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'So, is the whole dangers of salt craze now based on the fact that salt increases blood pressure slightly for a small part of the population, or is there any other danger? And BTW, has there even been a study correlation lowering of salt with lowering of cardivascular disease, or is it just conjecture?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'correlating*'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And by study, I mean interventional study, of course, not observational.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Wait- wouldn't interventional study re salt vs CVS be somewhat unethical'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not if the intervention was to lower compared to the average.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Except, of course, that low salt intake might be more dangerous than high....'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Personally, it all looks like bad science. Just like the cholesterol scare.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only real danger I can find is that it makes junk food taste better and might mess up satiety signals. But the solution then would be to remove the junk, not the salt.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'What's the cholesterol scare?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The whole idea that cholesterol intake and saturated fat has anything to do with cardiovascular disease.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And that total cholesterol in your blood is a useful indicator.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'All of that is based on faux science.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Unfortunately, this means that all the recommendations for "healthy food" we have been taught by our governments is based on bad science. '
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Possibly with the exception of "eat more vegetables"'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Ranrr!!!  Tigernuts cheers him on.
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately cholesterol is one of those situations where it's not that simple. Too much cholesterol intake of certain types is bad for cardiovascular disease while too little causes neurological diseases such as alzheimers and dementia'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Cholesterol intake seems to have no effect what so ever on cholesterol in the blood, though.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ranrr what about cholinosterase '
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'There seems to be a correlation between the number of cholesterol carrying proteins in the blood and card dis though. But that's not what most doctors are measuring.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Triglycerides seem to be a much better proxy. And it's easy to lower, just eat less carbs and more fat.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Trigly are related to fat if I'm not wrong'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You tell me, VD.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Nope, trigs come from carb metabolization.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's when carbs are turned into fats (so we can store them), I thinks.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'You get rock star low trig levels on a low carb diet.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'Yup you're correct in that TG levels are related to carb intake because of some strange metabolic reaction, but should also note that if talking about dietary sources, TGs are found mostly in oil and animal fat '
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Sure, but those have no effect on the trig levels in the blood we care about.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'I think they do though- both matter :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Not really. At least not for cardiovascular disease.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'If I'm not wrong one common piece of lit doctors look at is the framingham heart study, can take a look'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'It is a quite unsuperstitious quantifying of 10-year risk of various CV conditions with associated p-values, quite interesting'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'maybe you could enlighten us about geometric algebra and schubert cycles while we're at it'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Newchange: 'tldr be careful about health stuff l0l'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Well, it's an observational study, so it can only be used to form hypothesis that then need to be tested.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wouldn't be the first time that doctors and the pharmaceutical industry grossly misrepesents the facts. There was a documentary backed up with serious propaganda effort on the BBC trying to villify vitamins this week'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all part of a plan to try and force vitamins into the hands of prescription/drug company only'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to do with improving health, all to do with trying to make your health totally dependant upon the corporate state'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I think (hope) they're too stupid to have a plan, it's just that they don't understand science. But you could be right.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they understand the science and are deliberately mispresenting it in a way as to frighten people into a certain course of action'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they understand the science insofar as current understanding goes'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'The problem is that if you think B, but you voicing your opinion about B isn't enough to get B by it's own, and someone pays you 2 million dollars to say A, there's a fair chance you're going to say A, because B feels pointless.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well fighting 2 mobs at a time  seems like a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'miss chan *inno'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'i can understand your mistake'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, India is the #1 importer of gold each year at around $52 billion.....the US is 3rd at $16 billion'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the odds of a massive solar flare hitting the Earth has been raised to 1 in 8 in the next 10 years.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'what effect will it have on the earth'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it depends, if it is head on...it could disrupt and fry communications and power grids, but if it is a glancing blow.....prob just take out some satellites.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so we have a 1 in 8 chance of mutating? or getting cancer?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it also depends on how strong the magnetic field of the earth is when it happens....it fluctuates quite a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'so head = book of eli type of affect almost'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'herb code'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'sorry'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ever watch a movie called knowing?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, if it happens head on....it would take months to replace the power grids that were affected, even longer if most or all were affected.....there is only enough electrical wire to replace about 5% of the power grid for when hurricanes and other natural disasters require replacing parts of power grids.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should have at least 6 months of backup food though, just in case of a major natural disaster, and propane for cooking and heating.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'those #20 propane bottles will last a decade or longer.  I have 12 of them now.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'just like we should prepare for the apocalypse, nuclear warfare, terrorism, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'though i'm not against preparing, i think a preparation ought to be long term so other people's lives ain't affected by a group of people buying huge stock of everything.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'we better start working on solar powered pcs'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i live in malaysia, it's sunny all year long and the only solar powered thing you can find are water heaters and calculators.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same with Texas....we have perfect sun for solar power, but we dont utilize it much....still too expensive.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we need the chinese to flood the market with low cost solar panels so that we can buy em for $1 a watt.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'or we need cheaper materials for solar panels'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'never going to happen as long as the silicon used to make the solar panels is the waste from the microchip industry.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'graphene is being explored as a means for producing solar panels, that might be cheaper, if they manage it.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some researchers here are working on a plastic solar panel.....completely flexible, can stand up to the solar heat, and produces about 10% power.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and very light.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they find graphene to be very 'light reactive' and produces plenty of electrons, though i'm not really sure of the process involved in solar energy'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'the photo electric effect.. it's what einstein got his nobel prize for iirc'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'll look it up'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'later.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'uhoh, there is a cocoa shortage!  Chocolate makers are cutting back on production.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'LEAVE MY CHOCOLATE ALONE'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is estimated that within 7 years, the shortage of cocoa beans will be so severe that the avg candy bar will have very little chocolate in it, and mostly fillers to simulate the look of chocolate.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'I don't have anything to add to that, except :*('
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari rolls his eyes.
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The price of cocoa butter, the vegetable fat extracted from cocoa beans which makes up about a quarter of every chocolate bar, rose 63 percent in the past 20 months, reaching a four-year high.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of cocoa beans is up 22% in the last 12 months.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I sense a chocolate conspiracy!'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but what's that got to do with the price of tea in china?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the price of tea in China is up 8% in the last 20 months.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'Inflation?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You snicker softly.
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'extreme drought in West Africa is the cause for the cocoa shortage.....West Africa produces most of the cocoa beans in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bumbleton: 'desertification'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in other news though, the price of CAROB has dropped by 5% in the last 12 months and producers increased acres of the crop.....soon chocolate makers will add carob to their chocolate bars.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the sahara, right?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'simply because an item has dropped price is no garantee that it will be used in chocolate, what does carob taste like anyway'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it tastes like chocolate.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then who cares?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'unless it has a horrible nutritional content'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'carob costs about 2x more than cocoa beans right now, mainly because it isnt widely grown or used except in health foods.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, just bought a dozen carob chocolate covered carrot cake donuts from a local health food store.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'apple should be paying the irish corporate tax of 12.5% on all income funneled into ireland from european revenues...it only makes sense...but it still wont bring that money back to the US.  the US tax is still too high.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has one of the highest corporate taxes in the world.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im about to go out and catch some "free" food'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'fried squirrel and vegetable rice.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'fish... largemouth'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '!?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bass ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, beer battered and fried, with vegetable rice on the side.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and corn on the cob, and a large iced tea with lemon.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like the film Swordfish....'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'any movie with a fat Travolta is revolting'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, bud light.'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ack, my beer is 6 weeks old.....that is terrible!'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dhampir Jutduli: 'quick consumption, stat... code yellow'
T3/r7/2013-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'trying to create a beer flavored tomato.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Armed march on the Alamo went off peacefully'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'that is an anti-climax'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unexpected, they're not the people who are the problem'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Grissom: 'then why were they armed'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was an armed protest against the encroachment of federal money into state and local level trying to criminalise gun ownership outside of law'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have slightly more mundane things to protest here in the UK, like government/corporate monopoly practices to make housing and energy unaffordable, the gounging of the serf class'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we already lost all semblance of freedom'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the latest nanny-state social engineering attempt, the corporate monopoly electric suppliers in the UK are encouraging people to compare their energy usage against other houses in the neighbourhood to make sure that, in their words, they're "not using too much electric"'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'The good bit is when they increase the prices because they're selling too little electricity.'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are going up at around 9% a year atm'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks to a combination of al gore and some extended and repeated retarded policy decisions by the robber barons running the country over the last 30 years'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'charging more for less was part of the plan all along'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is the sort of thing that you american folks have to look forward to with obamacare and the path it leads: http://rt.com/news/nhs-gp-bonus-deathlist-457/'
T3/r7/2013-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) SuperBlooper: 'Pick one: "Turn all Muslims into Jews" or "Turn all Jews into Muslims".'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol a company laser-ammo is trying to sell well laser amo just put it in your gun and fire and it engages the laser so you don't actually have to fire real ammmo.. I wonder how long it will be before some dumb ass gets shot with real ammo after forgetting which is in the chamber'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boggle'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, it ain't gun control wee need, it's sin control'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2013 ranks as one of the least extreme US weather years ever'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'global warming for you'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'are you denying global warming or blaming obama for it?'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither and both'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't deny climate change happens, but it is true that the corporate power and wealth grab that Obama, along with my own government is participating in as a response to the possibility of it being man made (which doesn't solve the issue anyway) is his fault, partly'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-24607242'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/10361672/Power-failure-as-Britain-at-highest-risk-of-winter-blackouts-for-almost-a-decade.html'
T3/r7/2013-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wot, no trolly comeback?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nice, Jay Carney just walks out of a WH press conference because the journo's asked about Obamacare website failures'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what a prick'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'nice people take their medication and don't ask questions'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada blames it all on Tigernuts!! What a LOOOSER!!
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and suck up the huge hikes in insurance?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Yay Jay Carney -- show them who's boss - Obama !'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'fix the social. loser is with 1 "o"'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'whois tinada'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'some random guy who makes random comments'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada grins evilly at Ronda.
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'I think you should ask questions'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently the commitee who is looking at fixing obamacare websites called Jon Mcafee to ask him to fix it for free over the phone, he laughed and told them to scrap it and start again'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'McAfee isn't too keen on Obamacare, I gather.'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's neutral on it, but is critical of them using a crap Canadian company that hired poorly trained Indians to write the application in such a way that would never ever scale in any universe ever'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he was also critical of it being less secure than a whore's underwear'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's pretty much saying what every I.T professional who has come into contact with it is saying: It's a trainwreck, the tax payer has been had, it needs to be scrapped and started from scratch properly with trained people'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'don't blame the inuit, those english illiterate may've been quebecois'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, it's nice to know that with Obamacare, if you have a loyalty card at grocery stores, your purchasing habits will directly affect your coverage'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Asian Indians, not native americans'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know, one of the two big slave factory semi-skilled outsourcing posts for the improvement of the rate of unemployment in the western world'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'oo, slaves'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, surprised it interests you, Tinada, thought slavery is more of a Zade thing, since he's the communist'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I might consider reading the affordable care act, but it is ten times the size of all norwegian health care/pension laws combined'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tigernuts is the closet communist posing as a Republican Libertarian'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'ok, maybe it's only eight times'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't it 13,000 pages, tinada?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or something similarly psychotic'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it might be that long if you add all the regulations'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'the law itself is 300 or 400 pages'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'only 2k'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'depends on page formating, of course'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'well sure'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why didn't they just provide a government backed health insurance policy that you would be forced to buy if you didn't already have insurance, wouldn't need all this crap'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those pinko-imitating journo's are too Republican - which is likely the reason Tigernuts quoted that newspiece'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but that thing you see Senator McConnell wheeling around is all the regulations'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hands up if your US health insurance dropped since obamacare?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Republicans (and Libertarians) are acting like pinko "red capitalists" with their intent of  "support the rich, starve the poor"'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd say leave both the rich and the poor alone'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the Republicans are "acting" like the former soviet Communists (though the dialogue is different)'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what the republicans are acting like'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why don't you tell us specifically what action you are describing?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i say tax the rich, make the rich pay'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which rich?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and pay for what?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what are you describing as rich?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "red capitalist" libertarian is likely to say to leave the (red capitalist aka commiczar) rich alone'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the greedy commiczar rich after grabbing most all the riches prefer to be left along while the poor left alone starve'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, the corporatist and socialist elite always write the law/taxes such that they can evade them'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is as true in the USA as it is in UK, China, and Russia'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that having been said, there is insufficient "rich" people to tax that would, even if you could efficiently tax them, make any difference to the problems in both countries'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Tigernuts (the channel closet communist) is obviously a supporter of red-style commiczarism'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like hell i do'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would prefer small constitutional republics of no bigger than a couple of million people'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, if you sling mud and false accusations, some of that mud is going to come back at you'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i haven't made any false accusations'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts by use of deliberate lies is "redefining" the rules of debate on this channel'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'find me some deliberate lies'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Tigernuts is a communist"'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'can we debate about jewes here?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's one, yes, but you said it, not him'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think they are great'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is a jewe?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'kill the jews all hail hitler'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'let me see'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'oh. without the extra "e". JEWS'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i am apathetic about Jews as a religious group, though Israel is a country born out of terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mattyp: 'israel makes the best trance'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'im more into the geneics of the jews. i suspect they have got lucky'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lucky how?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'perception.'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Tigernuts as a "liberatrian" is pretending to support the nonrich, but is adamant on protecting the rights of the rich to exploit the nonrich - and that is what the communists did (lipservice for the poor, yet feed the rich and starve the poor)'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i neither pretend nor actually support the nonrich or the rich'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe in equal treatment of all'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'lies!'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means i am NOT a progressive'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'jews have something that africans or even arians dont have. in piles'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jews have piles?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and Zade, that'll need a citation'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'eh.  the fucking most important thing... they are patient and cash in just a bit later'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the stereotype is that they are hard working, miserly, and don't mind ripping off non-jews'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know any jews, so i couldn't attest to that'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'thats not what i meant'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'Tigernuts is actually starting to sound communist now :P'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you accuse others of being a communist Tigernuts, you also require a citation'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'treat everyone equally - so 100% tax to all is equal :P'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Taokan is starting to sound lame :-)'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're not a communist, then what are you?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the problem with equality is everyone has their own yardstick'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you look like a communist, you sound like a communist, you smell like a communist, you're possibly probably a communist'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you're as much a communist as I am a republican'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the evidence of tonight, you have wealth/success envy'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some (illiterate or liar) Republicans (and pretend Libertarians) like to accuse anybody that disagrees with them as (insert perjorative here) Communist'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so far that's not a lot to go on, but doesn't sound very libertarian, nor conservative, so we're only elft with the left wing'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you also despise free markets?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some (illiterate and or liar) Republicams (and Libertarians) equate socialism as communism'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because there's a common thread running through socialism, communism, fascism, and corporatism'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that common thread is the antithesis of libertarianism'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'illiteracy is no excuse for blatant lies'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no absolutes when you are making comparisons between belief systems and ideologies that are fuzzy, multivector by definition'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you'd get more mileage if you described to us why you are not communist rather than trying to justify your statement by pedantic nitpicking'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the use of "common thread" (to justify blatant lies) is an adulteration'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get very far in any analysis of anything if you're not prepared to consider the similarities between a group of things'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'Hitler and the holocaust devastated research of racial shit. and thats awful. no funding, taboo topic for 1000 years'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think it stopped, Hquaijijal? all the dodgy research got moved to the USA via operation paperclip. Many of the dodgy characters helped form the CIA'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no open debate now. closed.. only specific diseases researches are oke'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think that's necessarily true, genetic mapping takes into consideration race'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'sensitive topic though, Hwuaijijal  (look at your "who ignored" list before and after to spot those that may be ...s)'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'im ignored by 2 people as far as i know:)'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure what your point was though, hwau'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'sensitive topic - i didn't make it sensitive. nor any of you alive. still it is screwing a lot of peoples lives'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it screwing a lot of peoples lives?'
T3/r7/2013-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the negative shit is mostly used to gain popularity - "i fix that" is the most common way to advertise something. never ever have i heard that "they can do that, lets try it here".'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmmm, UCLA researchers have developed a transparent solar panel......woohoo....eventually my sunroom and greenhouse could be producing power.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The UCLA team describes a new kind of polymer solar cell (PSC) that produces energy by absorbing mainly infrared light, not visible light, making the cells nearly 70% transparent to the human eye. They made the device from a photoactive plastic that converts infrared light into an electrical current.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I'd buy that for a dollar (per watt)'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'one of the first uses for it will be in vehicles and boats, plus electronics'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then windows for homes and buildings.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'still waiting for transparent aluminum......'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Princeton researchers have found a simple and economical way to nearly triple the efficiency of organic solar cells. The researchers were able to increase the efficiency of the solar cells 175 percent by using a nanostructured "sandwich" of metal and plastic that collects and traps light.  The research team used nanotechnology to overcome two primary challenges that cause solar cells to lose energy: light reflecting from the cell, and the inability to fully capture light that enters the cell.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'can you send a link?'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'really interested in solar stuff'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'http://scienceblog.com/55710/highly-transparent-solar-cells-create-windows-that-generate-electricity/'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'thanks'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." '
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." Thomas Jefferson, 1787'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sheesh, news today isn't looking good'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'build a greenhouse.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"A person has the right to defend themselves. A person doesnt have to wait until theyre actually harmed," he said. "Shooting into the air sort of changed things dramatically. She is creating a threat herself, to other people in area. She may not be guilty of a crime, but police were not wrong to charge her."'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'W...T....F?'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's biggest trade union called a strike with some petrochemical workers at the largest industrial site in Scotland. The owners have now fired more than half of the entire plant staff, with the rest goins soon. Golf clap for the unions!'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ROFL, senior democrat sources say that those running in 2014 are to back a proposal to delay obamacare enrollment deadline. Given that this was the demand that the republicans in congress were making to fund the government, could someone PLEASE tell me why the fuck that twat shut it down?'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the term salary came from the word salt....the ancient romans paid their soldiers with sacks of salt, and called it a salary of salt.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Nope. That's a commonly held myth.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shaddup'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hehe :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'While the name salary DOES come from the Latin word for "salt", the Roman soldiers weren't actually paid in salt.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'i was pretty sure it was created by some MBA who wanted me to work more for less money'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'how do you know?  Where you actually there ?  I am sure SOME were paid in sacks of salt.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US govt controls the price of sugar in the US.....it keeps the price high so that sugar made from corn is cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i read a book think it was "sugar and caloric sweetener markets" or something'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: '.h'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the importation of sugar into the US is also limited to protect corn sugar.'
T3/r7/2013-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it also protect the corn ethanol industry from brazilian sugar ethanol'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Sugarcane is the world's largest crop.[1] In 2010, FAO estimates it was cultivated on about 23.8 million hectares, in more than 90 countries, with a worldwide harvest of 1.69 billion tons. Brazil was the largest producer of sugar cane in the world. The next five major producers, in decreasing amounts of production, were India, China, Thailand, Pakistan and Mexico.'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'most of US sugar production comes from sugar beets.....about 65% of sugar'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is estimated that, in the 2000s, about 511 million bushels of corn, or about 4.7 percent of the total U.S. corn crop, has been be used to produce HFCS'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'funny that the US at some point had to tell sugar farmers to burn their crop in return for sugar because the govt was accepting sugar as collateral for failing loans'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the US Navy sold an old aircraft carrier to be converted to scrap metal for 1 penny......Taxpayers sure did get a good deal on that one!'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The USS Forrestal was considered to be the US first supercarrier when it was launched in 1954'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'taxpayers should have at least gotten 50% of the profits from the scrapping of the ship.'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'considering it will make the company that bought it millions.'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Each year hundreds of old tankers, ferries and cargo ships from around the world are beached on the mud flats of southeastern Bangladesh, where men armed with cutters and hammers dismantle them for scrap metal, salvaging what they can.'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The technology sector is the most cash-flush of all industries, with the top four cash kings - Apple, Microsoft, Google, Cisco - holding a collective $329 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Lessons learned from the it crash of 2000'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US companies are sitting on a record $1.5 trillion of cash right now, and apple has almost 10% of that total.'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Automakers are also among the most cash-rich, with Ford Motor and General Motors holding $27.7 billion and $26 billion, respectively. '
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and thats why i own some auto stock :P'
T3/r7/2013-10-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-10-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i used to think yanks were far more stupid than Brits, but my experience today has proven I was wrong'
T3/r7/2013-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tymas: 'thief or mage...thief or mage..hmmmmmmmm!'
T3/r7/2013-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'If you live in the US, start boycotting foreign grown foods!'
T3/r7/2013-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'let all your friends know too'
T3/r7/2013-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Why?'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obvious'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: '??'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'students in San Jose, CA cannot hold car warshes to raise money for school events because they say it's endangering the environment'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just another reason for nuking california to get rid of the cockroach authoritarians'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It's safe for the envirnment if done by 18 year old chicks in bikini.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how do you guys end up getting such quacks in control of cities?'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'She said, 'I was all for Obamacare until I found out I was paying for it,'" Kehaly said.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one born every minute'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aviah: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut, you thought because it had "Obama" in the title it meant everyone would be getting healthcare for free?'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, did she mean that she'd have a premium payment, or that the taxpayers are subsidizing it?'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'she probably didn't realise the government's influx of money to govern the land comes from the people.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in that snippet, it was a health insurance provider commenting on things said to her by Obama supporters who are now finding their original polices cancelled and the cheapest replacement three times the priec'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that's the typical capacity for reasoning and judgement that most democrats have'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-roads-black-boxes-20131027,0,6090226.story#axzz2iwNEzCGK'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'many of us saw this coming a mile off'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not only is it a severe breech of privacy, it's also entirely unneccessary'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubold: 'You mean to say breach, I think.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite possibly, certain countries have ruined spelling for so often that I can no longer cope'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'would be a lot nicer as beach'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you can't have beach'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'why not? a beach of privacy..  sounds lovely to me'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't go on a beach now without nazi's following you giving you a hard time. Even starting to get that here'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'nazi's maybe you are going to the wrong beaches.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubold: 'I agree. With Drakoth, whose name is really familiar.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rubold: 'Also yeah I'm not familiar with these beach Nazis.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, we get them quite often'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I bet the nazi's would have been nicer if they spent more time on the beach, maybe wouldn't have invaded Poland.'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'they were probably a lot more common in the 1940s.. but ive never seen one in my lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably have'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you've run into a petty beaurocrat you've run into a nazi'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you've run into anyone who holds laws above common sense, then you've met a nazi'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"President Obama "has the responsibility" to stop deportations of illegal immigrants if Congress proves unable to pass a comprehensive immigration bill, Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) argued in an interview published Friday."'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sounds a little bit like "we can't get the spending bill we want, so we'll just shut down the whole government"'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also sounds like "we can't get the debt settlement we want, so we'll threaten to default on the national debt"'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'who here would eat BSFL'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or Black Soldier Fly Larvae '
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not unless i had no other choice'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, anyone else seen Lady Gaga performing her new song?'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'enquiries of people trying to sell body parts has exploded over the last year'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this week there was a 100Gbps DDoS on a Chinese internet company, the third biggest in the country, after an announcement that they were to start trading bitcoins'
T3/r7/2013-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the wake of the Snowden files, IBM's sales in China dropped by 22%, with sales of new hardware there dropping 40%'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'eliot coleman is an amazing gardener.'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK R.E teacher was banned from teaching for arguing Hitler wasn't all that bad, he was just having a bad day'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when did the UK discover and start mass-producing penicillin, at least enough to cure syphillis'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Penicillin was discovered in 1928, research was stopped in 1931, mass=producion started during WWII  '
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'conjecture: WWII may've been prevented if penicillin was readily available to cure syphilis in world leaders'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if so, then the UK was indirectly responsible for WWII '
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'actually, on several counts was the UK responsible for starting WWII'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(God works in mysterious ways) -- without WWII, i may've not been born to develop into the wise personality i am -- so i temporarily defer being overly critical of the UK -- even so: tsk tsk tsk? ;D '
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'teachers in the USA are allowed to continue for far lesser slights than that'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wasn't about for WW2, however all of the UK's ills can be blamed on the generation that proceeded the war winners'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should be less worried about ww2 and more worried about the future'
T3/r7/2013-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but since you were there, it was US, UK, France, Japan and Italy's fault WW2 started'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what on earth is fusion.net?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/october2013/291013test.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda worrying'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'very'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'btw, Jorge Ramos is a freak'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'who is george ramos'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some elderly leftie latino plonker on the tellybox'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'does he use natgas ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gives an interview to people and puts spurious comments and outright lies as text-overs on the video feed with "Fact (and a green tick)" to try and brainwash people into believing them'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as "Obamacare will mean 11.2 million latinos getting access to free healthcare. FACT"'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he probably things natgas is the devil'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why are senate democrats trying to put through a bill that automatically increases the debt limit each year?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are they retarded? Oh wait, yes, they are. Problem solved'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cause they have no fiscal responsibility.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sorvez: 'why are republicans still clinging to austerity? oh they both are retarded'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the republicans don't know the meaning of the word austerity'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, get rid of them all, and put new people in office.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they only know "fire" and "reload"'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with the exception of the hand full of libertarian republicans that are currently being demonised by the press'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'vote moderate republican in the next election....get back to how things should be.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'define moderate, define "how things should be"'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be voting UKIP in the absence of anyone better'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'really hoping the tea party nazis break off and give the republican party back to the moderates.....'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the tea party breaks off, the republican party dies'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'abe lincoln is turning in his grave with what happened to the republican party.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the republican party is a symbiotic relationship between grass roots tea party types who epitomise the original republican party ideals, and the "moderate" neo-con fake republicans who are interested only in corporate fascism and global war'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'abe lincoln was a moderate, not a tea party conservative.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he also had a beard. what's your point?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and cool hat.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) A Piece Of Herodotus: 'kill em all'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what would you do if you won the lottery ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be surprised, given i didn't enter it'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should play the lottery.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Abe Lincoln the wannabe democrat freed the afroamericans so that Barack Obama nmay become President - xchan'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'abe lincoln was a hypocrite when it came to slavery'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ok I want to hear about Abe the hypocrite.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I am in favor of a 5% federal sales tax on lottery tickets...and if you win...you dont pay federal income tax.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll never sort your finances out while you have parties in power that actively promote the further centralisation of power and control'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bah, pessimists'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'realists'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also:  bah, optimistic pessimists'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'centralisation always leads to inefficiency, lack of opportunity, lack of freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rule by faulty aphorisms is also defective'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rule by anything other than truth and principle is far less susceptable to defects than lying, manipulating, and enslaving'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that what you're saying?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'acedic pessimism is a defeatist attitude'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'drill baby drill'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not even sure what acedic means'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, to answer the implication, being sure of what you don't want can hardly be defined as a defeatist attitude, unless you're pushing propaganda seeking a way to discredit an opposing view by means of outright lie and deliberate misapprehension'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so are you merely wrong, or are you a liar?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"acedia" and "acedic" are apparently defined differently by use or misuse -- so perhaps:   acedic: "prone to self-defeatist talk attitude resulting in listlessness (acedia)"'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my advice would be to ditch the deliberately oblique verbage and argue specific points based on things that are measurable or justifiable in some way'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the speech of Tigernuts seems directed to attempt to promote self-defeatist attitudes in the audience'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to do otherwise is basically a pretentious way of saying "i disagree because it's gay"'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nowt self-defeating here, my opinions are cogent, self consistent and justifiable'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'so whats happening'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in what context?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'whats the most recent debate'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Leinei: 'whether you should walk David Ortiz or pitch to him'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'i dont know who that is'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't been one, i pointed out some news articles that showed some awful propanda hidden in grade 5 english tests'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade went on a ramble about nothing, and there was a brief discussion on the nature of the republican party'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'WHAT propaganda in tests'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/october2013/291013test.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take a look'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part of a set produced by Pearson Education'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts posted a few defeatist attitudes to encourage the audience to become acedic (give up, throw in the towek)'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(towel)'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'wow thats a bit extreme dont you think'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the test?'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'yea'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'thats crazy'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ill-advised, with q4 and q5 being outright lies, and 6 being a matter of personal opiinon'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but all in all, pretty brainwashy'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'really ill check again'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'yea'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'according to steven hawking its possible to get out of a black hole'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, you draw a door on the inside of the black hole with chalk, open it and walk through'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'or if its big enough u can wait to float out'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bedtime for me, don't expect any sense from Zade and you won't be disappointed. Speak truth to power'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'really good to know '
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Anthine: 'night'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not sure I like this season of the walking dead.....first the zombies, now a illness that kills and you then turn into a zombie....'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'why "there are some people who cannot remember the names of vegetables" can make you laugh? not a moral issue, just there is absolutely nothing funny about that fact if you think a bit.'
T3/r7/2013-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'tomatoes are the best.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the democrats are pushing for the FCC to 'regulate' news websites and broadcast media in a stasi version of the fairness doctrine'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The FCC will 'collect a remarkably wide range of information on demographics, point of view, news topic selection, management style and other factors in news organizations both in and out of the FCCs traditional purview,' writes Tim Cavanaugh. 'The airwaves regulator would also subject news producers in all media to invasive questioning about their work and content,' a move on a collision course with the First Amendment."'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so, do you think this is a good thing or a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'potentially bad'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though probably easy to get around'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how would you like it if the only stations allowed to operate were MSNBC or clones thereof?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the democrats have been trying to regulate radio for a long time, and now with fox news, they want to regulate t.v.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a worrying attempt to try and muzzle the press here in the UK, too'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'hi'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'For starters, the reason black-face offends people is because blacks were portrayed as listless and simple. '
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'what a joke, blackface is NOT "a racial point"'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'They were condescending.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's blackface about?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'apparently blackface is not appropriate to say or use on gossip (lol)'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in what context?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'even when not used in any kidn of derogtory context (lol)'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'An old-time entertainment in which whites used grease paint or something to darken themselves and did song and dance.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'in the context of asking "why is blackface offensive to some people"'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, there's certainly not a thing wrong about asking the question.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they're either oversensitive or braindead fake liberal authoritarians?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(putting it bluntly)'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'No, Tiger. It's not that knee-jerky. Blackface went out of style, for lack of a better word, a long time ago.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being out of style doesn't make it offensive'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Umado: 'are you asking why it would be offensive now, or during times of blackface being used?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a child my dad had a black labrador called nigger, that wasn't an issue back then either'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'rhavage, I could understand if that was any kind of contemporary thing.  But I think if you polled most americans, 90% would have no clue what "blackface minstrel" is.  I studied US history in almost every grade and never read about it until AP US history.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Well, in fact they *were* offensive. They were extremely condescending and made blacks out to look like simple minded fools. Trust me. I really do know.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like any american tv show makes southerners to be fools and simple?'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the term "grow some bollocks" comes to mind'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Umado: 'pretty much, yes'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'nobody is debating that, I think the point is why something a century or more old is somehow automatically included in every context where blackface is used'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'I'm not excusing today's tv. I'm just explaining what blackface was.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, rhavage'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Actually, it's demise is not nearly as old as you might think.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'since I say that most people don't know what blackface minstrels are, I think people are offended more on peer pressure than actual offense.  kind of like why this mud "hates me"'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only the halfwits hate you, kojiro'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I love this interview of a kid who did MLK with blackface and was so confused why it was offensive  "I don't understand why people are offended, I like black people".'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Alas, I must reveal myself, in a sense. I'm older than most mudders and by quite a few years. I was *in* a blackface Cub Scout (Cub Scouts!) show in 1960. That's still modern times, my friends. Color tv, space launches, etc. '
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'damn, wish i could hear more about that, but gotta run'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'maybe another time!  bye!'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Swirls of mist dance around Not Guilty Kojiro.
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Take care, Kojiro'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'So envision the scene. All the white suburban parents tickled to death to watch their little boys pretend to be Ol' black Sambo. That's really what it was. As kids, of course, we didn't and couldn't know what we were doing.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'back from outer space!'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'Heh. Wb :)'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'rhavage  this was 1960's i.e. civil rights discrimination era'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhavage: 'this was four years before the civil rights act was passed, yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i think history shows that what is considered offensive goes in cycles and it just keeps getting longer'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'gotta go again, this time for good, bye'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Not Guilty Kojiro reminds that everyone should become a fan on Aardwolf's Facebook page.
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best not to get sucked in by politically correct bullshit, most of it is propaganda pushed by organisations with a political agenda, like the demonisation of airsoft/nerf guns'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like banning packed lunches in schools'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interestingly, there was a story about a legislation being bandied around the EU parliament that will making it an offence to criticise feminism, islam, the EU, and a whole raft of other things'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the legislation also includes coercing media to spend a set percentage of their programming pushing "tolerance"'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'sick'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's sick, it's the EU'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'true :P'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a fundamentally undemocratic, unrepresentative organisation set up and run by communists with the aim for rolling europe in a united soviet socialist republic'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are trying to do what the american lot are trying to do to the states'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has to do with the same people with their hands in both pies'
T3/r7/2013-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where's Zade when you need some esoteric impenetrable bollocks that isn't relevant to anything?'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'so, today I got to watch the continued cascade fail that is our war on drugs...'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'sat on a jury of a guy accused of assaulting a corrections officer, who's only crime was marijuana distribution.  Evidence unfortunately pretty cleaning showed he hit the guy.  So now guy's got more jail time from the assault than his original conviction'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but he'd have never been there in the first place if growing plants was legal.'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'bugs the shit outta me'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'and I'll bet you dollars to donuts his corrections officer was messing with him, goading him, begging him to snap'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'm not quite getting what you're saying there.'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'the US has a huge problem with a higher proportion of it's citizens incarcerated, and a higher proportion of blacks incarcerated.  I think the drug war is largely to blame for it.'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'rr'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'mt'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the radish has almost no nutrition whatsoever.....what is the point of them ?'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'holy guacamole'
T3/r7/2013-10-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should you be worred when the head of the congressional intelligence committee comes out witha  chestnut like this "You cant have your privacy violated if you dont know your privacy is violated."'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if Obamacare is so good, why did only 6 people sign up for it?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more than 6 have (now), but that doesn't mean it's any good, it's not, it's a botch'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having looked at it, i think i know how i would have done it if i were in charge'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the shale oil boom is over'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'When the ash from a volcanic eruption filled a nearby seabed an estimated 30 million years ago, the combination of seawater, fed by hundreds of mineral-rich rivers and the rare earth minerals present in the volcanic ash, created the Utah deposits distinctive composition.  A perfect mixture of minerals that is like crack to vegetable plants.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A very unique find indeed, and my vegetable plants love it mixed in with my composted soil.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wish i'd bought some bitcoins when they were cheaper'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the british govt is switching to bitcoins ?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I keep hearing about bitcoins, and hwo they're revolutionary, etc... but I haven't really seen them being utilized in any meaningful way'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a few places accepting them, but it's early days'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'admitedly, I don't spend much time following bitcoins'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it now costs more money to mine a bitcoin than what it is worth.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the most telling thing is that there are hedgefunds now actively treating them as an investment class'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'only when playing mario'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also wish i'd bought Lloyds shares after the guvmint bailed em out'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'GM is now at 32+ from $7 after it went bankrupt.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so where does the value of a bitcoin come from?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ford though is still hovering around $17 a share even though it is a stronger company with better vehicles.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Ford is really cheap, wouldnt surprise me if a big player like buffet didnt buy a big % of it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guvmint goons are after Luke Rudkowski again - fresh after trying to frame him with child porn earlier in the year, they broke into his hotel room and tried to fiddle with his hardware the other day'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'everyone should live in a hotel.....and buy my vegetables.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Just harvested 18 bags of fresh greens today.....sold 16 of them and kept 2 for myself.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people just love these 1 gallon bags of mixed greens for $8, as close to organic as you can get without actually being organic.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1 gallon bag is how much in weight?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'empty or full'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wassup, vd?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think that Google's business model being to leverage intelligence data gathered from it's (mostly unwitting) users directly and indirectly is a conspiracy theory? I've got a frickin bridge to sell you'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'I'd call it that. Obviously Google does itself evaluate user data for advertising placement and search result optimization purposes. I'm not aware of it bing sold to other entities.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'It's core business doesn't depend on it, anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is it's core business'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'nope.  I think your concern over it being idenfitiable as anyone specifically makes it different.  Selling anonymous data for marketing purposes does make sense.  It happens from every other industry in which you register with.  Whether it be amazon, to your local grocers who have a loyalty card.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'The grocers might actually have more relevant info about you to sell, if you just use google services for spreadsheets. But that's a digression.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not anonymous'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, it's rarely not anonymous'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, rarely anonymous'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'So it says "User-Tigernuts did X, Y and Z" - No.  It idenfities you as a db entry.  User 2933302948222 has done the following searches.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'I'd still be interested in whether you're thinking of some specific publicized case here. I can't think of any, OTTOMH. And I'm fairly interested in Google's behavior.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where user 2933302948222 is Joe bloggs who lives at this address and has this email'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: '(I don't think you even need to give them a meatspace address.)'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I was reading the other day that grocery stores are now starting to track your movements through their stores by tracking your phone'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or in the loyalty card case, it's joe bloggs (this address) who has bought these products. loyalty card vendors are now sharing data with health insurance providers.......'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm ambivalent about it all, i personally choose not to allow these companies make money off me in this way'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i was aggrieved about is that you instantly dismiss it as conspiracy theory when you know it's fact. MOST PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW IT HAPPENS'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most people use google, loyalty cards, facebook, completely oblivious to the way their data is being harvested and sold'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'see, the difference is google doesn't release personal information with it.  Facebook does.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Google does, what do you think Google+ is? '
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'I ... don't know it's fact. Look, I do have some understanding of Google's core business. This is not it. It's all about ads, really. They might be doing some data sharing on the side, but I'm not aware of it right now, and if you have some specific public evidence on it that would definitely interest me.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Various products do evaluate user data for internal purposes, but that doesn't mean it's communicated to anyone else or used in ways that put you at a disadvantage.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Personally, Google+ mostly seems like a way to get people to look at google properties more so they can be shown personalized ads.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Ad views which can then be sold for more money, which is pretty much Google's core business already.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: '(Full disclosure, they're also my employer. I won't prove this since I can't without revealing my meatspace identity, and that's really not worth it. Believe it or not; I'm just stating it so I'm not hiding a potential source of bias on my part.)'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll be glad to know that i try to avoid your product whereever possible :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Perfectly fine. I'm not in marketing, it's not my job to advertise our products. I don't really use them much in my personal life myself.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NSA revelations really haven't done you any good'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'No, and as I mentioned paranoia about /those/ is perfectly reasonable. I can't guarantee that they're not still tapping into our data. They're good at infiltration, I suspect.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'There's lots of internal work to make it harder, but ...'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't infiltration, it's partnership'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Not really. Google doesn't get anything back. There is 'cooperation', but that's enforced by US law.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Unless you count 'not being prevented from doing business in the US' as getting something back. Which you could, I guess.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's anything like the agreement that phone carriers have with the NSA, then Google get paid'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'See Lavabit for a nice example of what happens to those that don't cooperate.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Possibly, but it's not exactly a profit center. There's lots of work required on the company side to service those requests.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'additionally, Google's startup was partly funded by seed money from InQtel'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'You'd probably still be less exposed if you store your data on your own infrastructure, assuming you know how to do security.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that isn't in doubt'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Interesting if true. I don't know how early funding worked. I don't think it bought them much long-term sympathy, if so.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'err, they created the biggest single intelligence gathering tool on the planet'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd say that it was worth while'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Quite possibly. And that may indeed have been the idea behind it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that all being said, what people are annoyed about is the lies'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'OTOH, the NSA is clearly not happy with what they were getting, since they started surreptitiously tapping our fiber, too.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'And the internal reaction to that was to dump more crypto on it to make /that/ harder.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the NSA can tap the whole internet infrastructure in the US and elsewhere'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'telecoms laws changed in the 1990s to allow that'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'You /should/ be able to prevent that with crypto, but unfortunately SSL is horrendeously broken.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'They probably have a bunch of compromised root certs.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even with crypto, their 'involvement' with Microsoft and Apple means they can tap you at the desktop end, regardless of the crypto'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Don't need to run their OSs.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, but most people do'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Perfectly optional.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'I also don't know if they're compromised. It's possible, but if so it's interesting that nobody figured it out clearly. Lots of clever reverse-engineers have taken a crack at it, I bet.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all way out of control'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'The google case is harder, since we don't actually give outsiders access to our server code, so I can see how you'd be more paranoiad about that.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'paranoid about what?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'I should have said "if you're" :P'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have nothing to hide, but it's the principle of the matter'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would kindly like them to fuck off'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Screw /that/, it's perfectly fine to have stuff to hide.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Agreed on principle, though.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'principle appears to be what 95% of the public are missing'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having principles is racist'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hell, having an opinion makes you an extremist and a conspiracy theorist'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'As for SSL, we did put some hacks into Chrome to make it harder to compromise by going after the upstream certs. I still don't know that they haven't gotten their hands on some of our own keys, though.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quantum computers might screw up crypto'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'tigernuts do you lock the door when you go to the bathroom?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'As well as some perfect-forward-security stuff.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at home? no, t work? yes'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Possibly. I don't think they have yet.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have them, just not developed enough to be useful yet'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'then you have inredning'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'then you have inredning'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'opps'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Yeah, I realize there's some research models. There's also serious debate on whether they're actual QCs :P'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nods'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'then you have something to hide'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'It's also a matter of politeness, most people would prefer not to walk in on another employee doing their business by accident :P'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'privacy isn't about having things to hide'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'So you're really helping them by locking the door.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'privacy is about the right to security'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the two are intertwined'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'defence of yourself and your property is an alenable human right, which means that privacy is also'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'privacy is about my right to keep private whatever i consider private'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you want something to stay private do not send it through someone else technology'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Or encrypt it right, anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't restricted to technology though, elchanan, then you have governments and regimes forcing you to use technology'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'nope not even encrypt just dont send it'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'of course it is stupid to give others the opportunity'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or don't publish/send it on internet'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how is it forced'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Encryption does work. And there's lots of benefits to being able to user leased data lines.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take money as an example, elchanan, governments are gradually squeezing out cash because they want all transactions to be traceable'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'but its no excuse for spying'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'then use bitcoin. Very difficult to track.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'I think that's more a matter of most people considering cash inconvenient.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Bitcoint is horrible for lack of traceability.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'The history is there /forever/.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'It's really one of the worst choices you could make. I like it and all, but not for that.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bitcoin is useless unless you're online'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'bitcoin is very difficult to track'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'then do barter only and fight the systems Humans have set up, and struggle more than nessasary'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'You'd do a lot better sending cash through the mail'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tano: 'Chances are no one will notice at all, and afterwards there's no records.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're missing the point, we shouldn't have to struggle'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or fight'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'be homeless and ask people for food on the street'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'people have struggled for thousands of years and peopel will continue to struggle'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so why are the people struggling and fighting against this branded as the bad guys?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'dont understand the question'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'because the other side is in power'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole angle of your questioning and response, Elchanan, is that the behaviour is abbherant. This is also the view of the establishment who claim that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, and that being raped by corporations and governments for the benefit of a few rich robber barons is your duty '
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i repeat the question, why does fighting for human rights make me the bad guy?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'humans shouldnt have rights'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'dude there is like 7 billion people in the world without the systems we developed that would never of happened'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would never have happened'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: '7 billion people'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: '1 million people > 7 billion sheeple'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '7 billion people didn't come about as a result of the surveillance state'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'that is alot of mouths to feed'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'because human right activists are usually breaking the law where they are at'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a police state is not required to feed  7 billion people'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: '+s'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'rofl societies have been doing surveillance for a long long time certainly before technologies we have today '
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so your claim is that people are not allowed rights or freedoms because there are too many people'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at what size does a population have to be in order to preclude it from having rights/freedoms?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i claim that if every one was allowed freedom to do what ever the hell they want the world would be pretty fucked yea'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are you equating having human rights with living in an anarchy?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well part of the reason govts formed was to protect the people within a society so how can you protect society without looking out for people that want to harm that society'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can look out for people who want to harm that society without infringing their rights/freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'still doesnt contradict human rights'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and what do you mean equating having human rights with living in anarchy?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '[01 Nov 19:37:39] (Debate) Elchanan: 'i claim that if every one was allowed freedom to do what ever the hell they want the world would be pretty fucked yea''
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the freedoms described by human rights are not "freedom to do what ever the hell they want to" (anarchy)'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'in an anarchy society functions without govt because the the members of an anarchist society care about how their actions impact others'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'common law (the oldest form of societal arbitration, which US and UK law was originally based on before getting corrupted by maritime law thanks to corporations) regulates the interaction between people'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it could, but there's no guarantee of that'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and we know anarchies do not work because many people will do what ever the fuck they want'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you also have to admit that having human rights/freedoms is not incompatible with living within a governed society'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is not incongruous'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i though I was more saying that in order to preserve a vast amount of human rights governments have been established'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't agree with that. most were formed to guarantee the rights of a minority. It is fair to say that SOME governments have been established with that aspiration in mind, but in almost all cases it doesn't pan out that way. Magna Carta 1215 was an attempt, USA 1776 was an attempt'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'confusing tiger... you saying they are compatible '
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it rarely lasts long'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i never said they succeed in doing so'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is certainly true that the direction of travel most recently has been towards authoritarianism, and it has not been the target of governments to protect the freedoms of the people, but instead to protect and perpetuate and expand the scope of the government structure itself'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but oldest form of government being strong man rule certainly does not include promoting rights of others'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absolutely not, unless you happen to get a benevolent dictator'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but would protection of a government possibly also protect its people'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would argue mostly no, or at best, not necessarily'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and could there not be need to expand the scope of a govt structure as populations expand and technology advances'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for instance, a wife whose husband beats her might protect her from other men beating her'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't stop her being beaten all the same'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no doubt that governance has to adapt as populations and technology changes, and it's partly because this hasn't happened that we're all so badly screwed today'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not evitable that this change should be more, centralised, authoritarian government that restricts freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'bullshit is has not happened  this whole debate is about the govt adapting'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, it's adapting alright, but not for the better'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well your certainly entitled to your opinion '
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the technology available, we should be living in a utopia by now'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i cannot accept your argument that because technology has improved and that there are more people, we have to live with fewer freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but fact is we wont know if many of these changes make things better worse or no change untill down the road'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i dont live if fear'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm already old enough to see the fruits of changes'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and what has gotten worse'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'has the govt knocked down your door for being a law abiding citizen'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in my lifetime, people's life expectancy has improved, they are healthier and have got access to more 'toys', but people are poorer, have less social mobility, less aspirations, less life choices, fewer freedoms, are more heavily regulated'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what fewer freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world is far less moral place, people are getting less intelligent, and are more compartmentalised'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you can say, what you can do, when and where you can do it'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are more laws, more regulations'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol less intelligent we know more now than ever in history intellegence of society has expanded '
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and in what way did laws/ regulations hurt freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a law or regulation prevents you from doing something that you could do prior to that law/regulation, then freedoms are infringed by definition'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ohh i know we regulated industry with the creation of the EPA and said that we were going to restrict thier freedom to pollute '
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this isn't about industry regulation, that's a strawman argument'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'no because sometimes the law is put inplace so you dont infringe on another persons rights/freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what laws are for'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'COMMON law'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'so why cant the same argument be made for privacy freedoms'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because someone's right to privacy does not violate another person's rights'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'unless withholding some info causes the death of someone else, but no everyone has a secret like that.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's where you have laws of redress'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if its conspiracy to cause harm certainly its could be considers a violation if the conspirace goes through'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you take that argument to it's natural conclusion, everyone would have to live in a prison cell'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea jopa like if a patient tells a doctor they are going to harm themselves or another person, the doctor is obligated to report it'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how is that even remotely true'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why it has long been argued, and put into basic law such as the constitution and the magna carta, that you should only be subject to search and seizure upon there being just cause'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'tigernuts means that if we judge people by what they might do, we are all victims of preventive measure'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is that even remotely true? because you cannot guarantee any person isn't about to harm another without knowing what they are doing at all times'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'except those arguments were made before electronic transmission of information'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks, jopari'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'there was that movie, minority report, remember.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are as true with electronic transmission of information as they were before'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'equally as valid'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if i cannot see anything pointing to murder, on what grounds do i prosecute.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well some one in possession of mass amounts of explosive and bluprints to a building and talking about ...w ell you get the picture'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you even begin to suggest that the technology allows that surveillance, i can only say this: 1. No, it can't., and 2. You have absolutely no way of guaranteeing that the person in charge of the monitoring technology isn't going to put it to ill-use, which brings you right back aroudn to stage one'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that is already evidence, but how many people are likely to have that.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'brings you back around to surveilling where you have reasonable cause to do so'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if i were to scan everybody's personal info to find that, i'm sure i'd find all sorts of skeletons in the closets'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to snoop on someone, you go to a judge and justify it'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'first of all you dont own the transmission infrastructure'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'get a warrant.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'uhh'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'putting anything out over electronic communications opens up the possibility someone intercepts it'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you want privacy keep things private'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'evidence collected while infringing privacy is vois.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'void*'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not really jopari'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts boggles at Elchanan.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'can anonymously tip many things in'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know a lost cause when i see one, which is a shame, because if the majority of people share your view it will only mean things getting worse not better'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if i were to have people record everything you did on the net, all sorts of stuff would hit the fan, cause power corrupts.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communications infrastructure is a defacto public commons, the internet is the talking down the pub of 100 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hell some state go tell the DNR or other wildlife officer you saw a person dragging a deer into their garage and watch what happnes'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari raises an eyebrow.
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the "i'm alright, Jack" inclinations that get me wound up, Jopari '
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how is communications public commons'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ive always paid for my communications'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is the societal standard, an accepted common form of communication which has attached a common understanding of quality/privacy'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so hospitals aren't pilublic commons either?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'public*'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and air waves witch is pretty much as close to public commons as can get well it is not private'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'a hospital can turn you away unless its a life threatening issue'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, you were banging on about laws earlier and how they were necessary to perpetuate a harmonious society, why is it acceptable for governments to break those laws?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'thet would be insane.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the laws lay out what is acceptable and people then accept those as societal norms'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you then find governemnts are operating outside of those laws, outside of those norms, what are the public supposed to think/do?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'if there is no norm, then we descend into chaos.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which you could argue, Jopari, is what's happening'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'people cant "go to war" the govt can'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'chaos as in general dissent growing into revolt'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just because there is a law that stops an individual of an action does nto mean the govt has to follow'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'war is when the government tells you who the enemy is, revolution is when the people figure it out for themselves'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government should be bounds by the same laws the people are, the system can't work without that principle, besides, in the USA's case, the government IS (supposedly) the people'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by/of the people for the people'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'look up the social contract.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rule is: Laws dictate what people CANNOT do. Laws dictate what government CAN do'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like ... "what ever you say can and will be used against you" a lie can be used against you but and interrogator can lie all they want to get you to tell them what they want to hear and later you cant use thier lies to help your case'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not convinced that's relevent'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i don't know what you're getting at there, are we all on the same page%'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'anyways this is a waste of my finger muscles'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'building a better future, one nazi state at a time'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'how so, i am answering, with reasoned and measured responses, i don't think any of us have given you crap yet.'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his life clearly hasn't deteriorated sufficiently to a point where it changes his opinion yet'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets hope that point never comes'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so ends this discussion then?'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess so, i'm headed bedward'
T3/r7/2013-11-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'night.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mmm, fried meatballs - facebook are spinning in their coffin'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'hmmm.. ham... google is rolling on the lawn'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the purpose of Facebook other than being videoed while puting foot in mouth and being indoctrinated with adverts and other foolishness'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well facebook serves the dual purpose of allowing societies dregs to indulge themselves in pointless and narcissistic behaviour while giving facebook a valuable source of data to aggregate and sale and the intelligence community a free spying resource'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though my sentence was a reference to the story of a UK man who had his account frozen for saying he liked meatballs'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who cares about a dying service anyway... :D'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like to complain about the inane bullshit that society inflicts on the rest of us'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I have noticed.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess it has some legitimate uses'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'makes stalking your exes much easier'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is stating liking "sausages", "weiners", "franks, "thick balony" ecetera similar to stating liking "meatballs" on Facebook -- and was the offence that the "meatballs" were not "kosher"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the offence was that he used the term "faggots" which is appropriate term where he lived'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is amusing since facebook are happy with all kinds of swearing and sexual words, ok with videos of beheading people, and for promoting violence, hedonism, communism and more, but you can't talk about meatballs'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that his first ammendment rights were violated'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'facebook was all about selective enforcement'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the error was eventually corrected'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'just leave the meatballs alone.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The UK has no first amendment.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'faggot is an ok term if you don't call a gay person that. for example, zade is probably not gay, but acts like a faggot all the time'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it is indicative of the problem with society where political correctness is a cancer that shuts down speech. It should only be shut down where someone is specifically offended'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even calling zade a faggot is fine, provided zade isn't offended'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'also, using facebook is not a right, it's a privilege. 1st amendment is moot'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know full well the same problem extends far beyond facebook'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, just start the phrase "No offence, but you're a faggot" '
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whether offence was caused is up to him'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'offence by proxy, lol'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, it's his own fault that he was offended'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'if one says "no offense*" usually they are saying it knowing full well it can be offensive.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that misses the point, vost'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i find people taking offense offensive'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suggests that the populace use "faggot" instead of "gay" on facebook
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I find people offencive that take offence taking people offencive'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'if the faggots reclaimed the word "faggot", it wouldn't be offensive any more'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Dagnir, that sentence has similar structure to the head of the intelligence committee saying "Your privacy hasn't been infringed if you do not know your privacy has been infringed"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'for example, if you say right towards an african american, "no offense, but you are a n(blurted out so that it does not go there)" the potential offensiveness is acknowledged and thus still there, meant or not.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i was never prejudiced until i was told i was not permitted to be prejudiced, then i became prejudiced'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you were told not to be prejudiced, then you are prejudiced by definition'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rare agreement'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'everyone that is not an infant are prejudiced'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having an opinion is terrorism'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i find it offensive that people can't spell "offensive"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't mush have a spellchecker?'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zmud does, albeit a crap american one'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I'm serious, if you know that it has a chance to be offensive, and yet you say it, then you are by default being offensive, and acknowledging as such, even if you say "no offense"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'not that I have noticed, no.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you also misspelt it'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree, Kizactrin'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts. using that snide logic: "if you were told not to be a faggot, then you are a faggot by definition" '
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's one logical leap too far, zade'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'lets take another tact then, if you menace someone with a weapon, then say, "don't be afraid," the action is still there, and you are acknowledging that fear may be present.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'the same is just as true with words.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but acknowledging the possibility is not the same as knowing whether the other person if fearful'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'just because you candy coat it doesn't make it right.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor should it be a justification for not being in that situation'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that's a logical step too far, Kizactrin'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'tiger, that is just an excuse. By the same reasoning, someone could kill someone, and say, "I didn't know putting a bullet to his head would kill him"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a rabid liberal was in my house and saw my shotgun and started frothing and i said "don't be afraid", that doesn't make it illegal'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'my favourite is "i'm not racist but"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not the same'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'Dagnir gets it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'it is the action that is seen, even if the intent is yet again, candy coated or excused away.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'saying something is an action.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'everybody is a racist, especially those that deny that they are racists'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you are going to offend someone you either doing so deliberately or you are not'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you are not doing so deliberately, the only person who can say whether they were offended or not is the target'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't see any other comparable situation'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the worst type of racists are those that deny that they are racists'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'yes, but if you say "no offense" you still have knowledge that it COULD be offensive, and just MIGHT be offensive, otherwise you either wouldn't have said it, or knew that it was risky to say it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't mean that it IS offensive, kizactrin, it's merely an assessment of your understanding of it's affect in the target audience'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'the whole point is saying, "no offense" is an excuse to say what follows or what was followed.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and even if it IS offensive, doesn't mean that it isn't true, justified or illegal'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the liar opinion of an overly hypersensitive verbal target is irrelevant '
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'is it possible to hate gypsies and not be racist?'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'speech needs to be protected, even if is hated'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'gypsies are not a race, right?'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i mean, i'm ok with blacks and chinamen, but i really-really despise gypsies'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'odds are, if you say "no offense" or "I'm not racist but" or "I'm not sexist but" you are painting an excuse over something that can be taken wrong, and most likely was meant in the wrong way. It's just candy coating over an arsenic pill.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can justify that opinion, dagnir, that's entirely fine'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't say "i want to kill gypsies because i hate them" because that's hate speech :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i just want them deported'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but "i hate gypsies because they disregard people's property rights, steal stuff, and make a mess everywhere" is fine'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'and if you do not understand that, then fine, but that doesn't make it right. Freedom IS freedom, but freedom implies responsibility as well. Otherwise you are leaning towards anarchy.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'taking bulgaria and romania into the eu was a big mistake. now there are gypsies everywhere :('
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we always had fake irish gypsies'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yes, they are a wart on society'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i bet they are nice and civil people compared to proper gypsies'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a bit like fake authoritarian liberals/labour supporters'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The cold war was a bad idea, it created the current generation of poor gypsies.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they rip off vulnerable people and make a mess everywhere, they are well known as being one-man crime waves'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so do gypsies'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'if you are so concerned about people stealing and shit then contact an authority figure and have them do something about it. No excuse of "But they won't do anything about it." Either make a petition for the PEOPLE INVOLVED or try your hands at law enforcement and politics. Don't blame an entire race or group for the actions of a few, and don't complain unless you plan to DO something about it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which group of ethnics in the ("All in the Family" circa 1971, a tvshow started by a jew seeking to poke fun at the intolerant irish) Archie Bunker vernacular are "jigs"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pats Blade Lord Kizactrin on his head.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *gasp* Blade Lord Kizactrin *lix* Tigernuts! Yoo want a *lix* too :(
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a moral, emotional, but utterly naive insertion, Kiz'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'and yet true. It's better than just whining about it. If you can't (or won't) do something about it, expect it to keep happening. If you want results, do shit yourself.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure you would be right up there complaining and bitching about vigilantism or insurgence which is the natural end point of your statement'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it doesn't bother me personally because i have little interaction with them, except to see the fruits of their labour, but the news is/was rife with people's lives being ruined by them, and no, there's nothing that can be done shy of lining them all up against a wall and executing them'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or deporting them as Dagnir says'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I never said anything about those two nasty subjects. Go through it lawfully, unless you want to go through a shit storm over it'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then nothing will get done'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you appreciate the limits that exist on a centralised european democracy'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our countries are run for the benefit of the robber barons at the bank, the vote is essentially an illusion to shut people up and believe they have influence'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I told you not to complain about the entire "nothing will be done." If you want something done, do something. Just make sure you do it intelligently instead of throwing your life away for beating a "minority" with a baseball bat.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, apply that logic to the ethnic groups mainly responsible for organised crime in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same problem, zade, same situation, same outcome'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'zade, gypsies ain't an ethnic group.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'it's a rotten culture.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing will get done until democracies are broken up into smaller elments'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the dictionary disagrees against HomerSimpson'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i generally agree with kiz, but gypsies are the ultimate exception. they're 95% scum not "a few giving the others a bad name"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the states that means control being handed back to where it was designed for - the states. IN the UK that means first extricating ourselves from the EU'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I dont care what your dictionary says Zade, they are not an ethnic group, but a cultural group.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'if you have some bright idea, see it enacted, and do it with good reason, for good reason. Until you do something about it, you have little to complain about. However, do note that if you handle it in an unintelligent manner, there will be consequences.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why don't you, kiz, go do something about big corporations robbing people, or politicians being corrupt, or people living in poverty, or wars of aggression being perpetrated in the middle east, or wages and conditions being degraded, or taxes going up'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'because I am not the one complaining >:3'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they used to say there was no "mafia"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feeble, kiz'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well say "i'm alright Jack, why don't you go jump?"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'but effective. I am not some pure saint from the heavens. I am just reasoning this out to the point where it should be seen by anyone with a brain.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go take a visit to Syria at all the people being shot, and when someone there complains say "well go do something about it, nobody is shooting at ME"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'you are projecting. I may be a voice of reason (sometimes) but ultimately, the world should burn for the sins of humanity. Myself included. There is no "mirror reaction" here.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the robber barons have democratic institutions sewn up to such an extent that it takes a supermajority of people to take action in a certain direction in order overcome the weight of governance, one person does enact that, and by taking the attitude you have guarantees nothing gets done'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'either take the advice or do nothing but sit on your couch drinking beer all day.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you only need take a look at the US situation - anyone 'taking a stand' is ridiculed by the system or branded a terrorist'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you can't have it both ways'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'you are trying to mirror it again. I honestly do not care if this world gets nuked. I'd have better neighbors in hell anyways, if the christians are right. I suffer, but I either take the option of suffering, or I do something if I don't like what I see.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yet you castigate those who do do something'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you are trying to have it both ways'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'no, that is your arguement, thus you bringing up the problems 'muricans deal with. You are trying to point out the flaws in america, and yet doing nothing of the flaws of whereverthehellyoulive.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have to get going. the specifics of the problem are different here to America, but the underlying issues are the same. I always use American examples because most people here are muricans'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you can't have it both ways, you can't castigate loners and groups for taking action when you know full well that taking action through what's deemed the 'correct' route would require a supermajority that would include all those like yourself who don't give a shit and would look the other way'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'how smart, you still point out the flaws elsewhere when you have problems where you live, and yet do nothing of them. If it takes an overmajority to change things, start a movement. Not a rebellion, that would not be smart at all. Just do something instead of complaining about it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you make the mistake of claiming i'm doing nothing about it, however a rebellion IS a movement and is no less smart than any other method'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'and honestly, I do give a shit. Otherwise I wouldn't be advocating the apocalypse of whatever religion is right to occur right now.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the differences between a rebellion and movement are very blurry'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and also depend on who is describing it'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'yes, a rebellion IS a movement, but there are other types of movements. Be more creative.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'be more creative says the i-don't-care-just-don't-make-a-difference-guy'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'just because I bring up rebellion, with a negative emphasis to the folly of it, does not mean it is the only path. THINK. What generally happens to failed rebellions. And you could be more creative than trying to discredit me with "insults"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your point of view on the subject is littered with inconsistencies that would make a politician proud, but you are indifferent'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i'll save my breath :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts waves happily.
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'does my point of view really have that much of an impact on you?'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I'm not seeking any apprentices. However much you try to flatter me.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does it change my point of view? no, am i disappointed that you hold it and can't be made to understand? yes'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'apparently it does change your point of view, because it is the only "arguement" you are using "against" me.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my point of view hasn't changed'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't use anything against you because your view is based upon a false premise'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can't see the premise is false, there's no way of changing your mind'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'a debate is formed on points of conflict discussed in an intelligent manner, not what someones personal beliefs seem to be.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that depends on whether it is a matter of ideology or not, which this isn't'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'and yet you are still discussing it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only because i was opening my mail :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have fun, i gotta go work'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'protip: Debate isn't formed on personal disagreements.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'THOSE are simply called, personal disagreements.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'protip 2: Personal attacks are not debates either.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'woot, 3 trivia spellup potions in the same daily blessing :P'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'mischan :P'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd disagree actually, debate is often formed on personal disagreements'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i disagree with you tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're welcome'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'no you are.'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"arguing" is different to "debating"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"debate" almost sounds like "debacle"'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would you like to go off on today, zade?'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'how about the tsa'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well apparently i'm not allowed an opinion on the TSA because i'm not murican'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh. well. at least one american felt they needed to be killed this weekend and shot at them in california'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps bring back the Archie Bumker vernacular into polite conversation'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i saw'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't know what that is, Zade, perhaps you can enlighten us both'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the Urban dictionary uptodate .. what's a "jig" (noun) '
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a bit of hardware for holding something in place to work on?'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Peter Sellers used "jig" as a verb in one of his songs'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jig is also a dance'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Archie Bunker used "jig" to refer to a group '
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"jigaloo" perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"gigalo" perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what group?'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"gigolo", "jigaloo", "jiggers", "jig", "miners", "dancers", diseased with mites" - the ordinary dictionary is inadequate with slang '
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what's the relevance to issues of the day, or is it just one of those strange asides you're want to do?'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the relevance is that the Archie Bunker vernacular provided a shortform (few syllables) of describing ethnic (and cultural) groups'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some examples?'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"charlie" "chinks" "fags" "japs" "jigs" "spics" "wogs" "wops" '
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and a lot more, to those that watch "All in the Family" tvshow reruns'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Archie Bunker even uses the N-word'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cultural shorthand'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"jap" used to be a common word in the 1960s -- then some douchebag running a room on irc decided that "jap" was offensive'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there were a lot of jap jokes mid last century  ("jewish american princess" jokes)'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA, some commentator was fired for using the word "niggardly" on the air (hopefully the commentator successfully sued that air-station for millions for wrongful termination)'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did that lawsuit finish yet?'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Adam Kokesh's court case should happen soon'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was years ago, likely'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lawsuits take years'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SuEZq7WGSY'
T3/r7/2013-11-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boggle, didn't know any of this was going on'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'who was the first animal that ate another? who was the 1st prick? who screwed up our nice cute genes forever?'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if there would have been no such bastard then aardwolf would be aardbunny and we would just hug eachother to death'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'or something'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nsa? obama? healthcare? anyone?'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Define animal?'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pats .... Hwuaijijal on his head.
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so another shooting, and again the left wing media tries to report it as an AR15 rifle when it was infact a shotgun and a pistol, and not only do they claim it was an AR15, they interview an eye witness who says it is a pump shotgun and in the same interview at the end, the reporter again ignores the eyewitness and goes with the meme that it was an AR15'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'AR15 must be more deadly.'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rhuli: 'Will comet ISON affect the earth, or just be something cool to see in the sky later this month?'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something cool to see in the sky'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hrm, looks like we could be in for a significant stock market crash soon'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you saw some youtube clip?'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? no'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a famous billionair says it'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, not about that'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like any other complex system there are lots of things going on, but one thing they know for sure is that certain asset prices are being heavily inflated by quantitative easing and low interest rates, those assets include stocks and property'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while household inflation is rampant, there is deflation going on in the bond market and bank balance sheets'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in lay-person's terms, we're the ones that will get screwed'
T3/r7/2013-11-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shock!'
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Noooh, not debate'
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'YES debate'
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what should we make of this headline: "Obama admin repeatedly modified grandfathering rules to benefit big business, not individuals"'
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you know a political party is in trouble when the only governor likely to win is Chris Christie'
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stores in the UK are trialling camera-based advertising systems that attempt to classify you by demographic and gender and tailor advertising at you'
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trials in France remotely access store loyalty cards to target advertising wirelessly'
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Professor Knut got an award from Nature magazine for standing up for evidence based science against politicians'
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That new hypersonic stealth jet by Lockheed is pretty damn cool....the SR-72'
T3/r7/2013-11-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Anywhere in the world in an hour.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the name is interesting :)'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'probably based largely on the SR-71.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is estimated that there are 19 billion barrels of recoverable oil in the tar sands of Utah.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It is believed that there are 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil in the Green River formation in Wyoming.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'then why haven't they been recovered'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it can be recovered, but the price of oil would need to be around $160 a barrel with current technology, so it is cheaper to go after shale oil right now.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Overall, the United States is sitting on approximately 1.442 trillion barrels of recoverable oil.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari whistles appreciatively.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Add Canada to the total, and it goes up another 1 trillion barrels.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'supply and demand, so they're building demand so that overhead can be covered.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, demand is going up elsewhere, but in the US, we are becoming much more efficient in our oil use.....oil use has been dropping even though the population has been increasing.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'avg mpg has been increasing each year.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'interesting'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'free markets work.....even co2 emissions in the US are dropping because of better technology.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China passed the US as the #1 emitter of co2 a couple years ago.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hard to be otherwise, the population there is extreme.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Based on current consumption, According to the Institute of Energy Research, the United States has a 169 year supply of oil.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'we will have to boost our usage, can't leave any for the next generation'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but India has a massive population also, but its co2 emissions are much lower...but are increasing fast.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'According to the Institute of Energy Research, the United States has an 88 year supply of natural gas.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They must not have counted the gas coming from the politicians in congress in that figure.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'except all our power plants are converting to NG, so we might be burning that faster then estimated'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'According to the Institute of Energy Research, the United States has a 465 year supply of coal.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nod, but those are based on current recoverable natgas reserves.....There is even more in the form of methane hydrates just off the coasts.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if you count the methane hydrates, that figure increases to around 600 years.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We live on an amazing planet, nature has many methods of storing solar energy, and excess bio matter.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'heard of graphene?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'we should find a way to efficiently turn waste crops into fuel.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Right now it makes more sense to turn waste crops into ethanol, instead of using food crops like corn or sugar.  Use the corn or sugar cane stalks instead.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'they haven't found out how yet'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'A viable method for cellulosic ethanol is the holy grail for ethanol production....turn simple wood waste into alcohol.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'they know how, it is an efficeicy game.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pellet stoves are good though....turn wood waste into pellets and burn them to product power mixed with coal in coal power plants'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You can use up to 6% wood in coal power plants without it affecting efficiency.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but we are already using wood at an alarming rate.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wood is renewable.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and wood waste is plentiful.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'there is a powerplant here in the northeast that burns cocoa hulls leftover from a lindt plant.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'there are many forms of wood waste, from sawdust to cocoa hulls, or corn stalks, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the waste is plentiful, the tree grows back slowly'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, RD is working on fast growing trees....there is a hybrid poplar tree that can grow 12 feet a year. :)'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'burning also still produces CO2'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'hybrid trees kill off original trees'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no they dont.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'switchgrass has potential.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have hybrid poplars growing on my property for firewood.....love them.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 5 years they are 60 feet tall.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'original wheat hard to find, cross pollination causes problems in reproduction'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'poorly managed hybrids can kill out native species though.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari nods.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the squirrels love the poplars'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wheat is a good example, bees another'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'bamboo is another good tree to have...but man it can spread fast....so you need to keep cutting it back.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ever heard of graphene'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'have graphene in my mechanical pencil. :p'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'my mother says her friend bought a chainsaw to deal with it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that is graphite'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'similar'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'was joking :p'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but slightly different in structure'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the joke was close to the truth'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'graphene comes from graphite'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'looks like the Chinese will be the first country to have a thorium based nuclear power plant.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it is being explored as a means to extract solar energy'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'thorium fission?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'China has enough thorium reserves to produce all its power for 20,000 years.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Norway's Thor Energy began a four-year test with Japan's Toshiba-Westinghouse to see whether they could use thorium at Norway's conventional Halden reactor in Oslo.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'graphene is said to be the strongest material known to man.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'did it work?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have a graphene bullet proof vest.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what are you? a millionaire?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the vest fits on a barbie.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari grins evilly.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it is the only stable 2D matrix known to man so far.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'a football field of it would probably weigh under a gram.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it is the best conductor of electricity at room temperature and is stronger than diamond'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'just how rare?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it isn't rare, just that there isn't a cheap way to make flawless sheets in high quantity'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'ah'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'just expensive. '
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'scientists in the uk discovered it via tape.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that it is.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'same thing with silicon for solar panels.....if we had a cheap process to make the silicon, solar panels would drop to $1 per watt.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the silicon cells for the solar panels that is.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the tech is going.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'but is silicon a great electricity conductor?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'graphene produces even more electrons under sunlight.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'due to the matrix of the material.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in the lab, the researchers have managed to get silicon solar cells to 44% efficiency....or about 3x higher than current commercial efficiency.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and the nature of carbon atoms'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would love to buy solar panels for $1 a watt though with a 14% efficiency......I would plaster my house with them, and put another few thousand watts in the back yard.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I can see it now.....producing 95% of my power needs with solar power, instead of the current 68%.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'graphene has what researchers call ballistic movement.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'and it's electrons act as though without mass. enabling them to go at one hundreth the speed of light.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, they need to go at least 2/100th of the speed of light!'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'to do what?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'impress you?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'to be financially viable!'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'how is it financially viable if so?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'could the graphene be used to build a space elevator ?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it is what they are planning it for!!'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) U T T E R Nonsense: 'Goin up?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'besides phones that roll up, batteries that charge in minutes, and cheap solar panels'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) U T T E R Nonsense: 'I elevate myself into space every day'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'why would I want a phone that rolls up?  They are already getting too damn small.....I would rather have a phone that I can wifi connect to the closest big screen and use as a touchscreen.....'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'there is an app for that.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that way you can walk around town, and when you receive a call, the window of the store shows your video call, or the wall of a theatre while you are waiting in line, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) U T T E R Nonsense: 'Look it's a simple solution... Chickity China, the Chinese chicken... You eat a drumstick, and your leg starts kickin.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'imagine a phone the size of a book you can fold to the surface area of a matchbox'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'full digital screens everywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) U T T E R Nonsense: 'Period.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the thing would require the weight of an elephant balanced on a pin to puncture the one atom thick material.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a full heads up display that turns night into day for driving is what I want on a $25,000 car.....shouldnt have to spend $100k to get it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'can it be recycled?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it's carbon, what do you think?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'if its that indestructible then it might be a pain to get rid of :P'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'pure carbon'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'so i cant smoke it, its already been smoked...'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'why would you want to smoke it?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'a face full of CO2 perhaps?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'graphene is stronger than diamond.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'is it stronger than 1 million rubber bands ?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it releases plenty of electrons due to it's hexagonal single layer arrangement.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'allowing for there to be an extra electron above and below the matrix'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, you can't buy a new Tesla Roadster anymore...:(  Only that sedan now.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, with the supercharger you can charge up the model s battery packto 50% in 30min......150 miles of use...not bad.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ever heard of supertransistors?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) U T T E R Nonsense: 'Ever heard of Superman?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'go build an electric car with them.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so you have heard of it?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least the model s exists, and for $75,000 you can buy one.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'minus a $8000 federal rebate.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Jopari sighs.
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'never mind.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps boeing could learn something from Tesla about water cooling batteries.....then perhaps the dreamliner wouldnt have been grounded.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'yikes, the tesla s with the options I would want costs $92,000......think I will stick with my $6000 dodge ram 1500.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'cheap scate.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thanks!'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'it's cheapskate'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'so.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'never mind'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'arguing would be pointless'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, illegal marijuana is going to make a comeback in Colorado.....the state wants to put a 25% sales tax on marijuana sales....instead of the normal state sales tax.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'How can you put a tax on an illegal sale?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pot is not illegal at the state level in Colorado....'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'medical marijuana and recreational use'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Washington State also.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Ok, but you said "illegal marijuana..."'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, I said it would make a comeback if they put the 25% sales tax on it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'illegal sales would make a comeback that is.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'oic'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'right now you can walk into any number of marijuana stores and buy what you need with an id and a doctors note......and pay the regular sales tax.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'add a 25% extra tax...and black market selling could come back and start the problem all over again.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If they wanted more tax revenue, it would be easier to get rid of the need for a doctors note.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the doctors note is a big boon to doctors....there are some doctors who write a marijuana prescription every 5min.....at $100 each.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Another reason to get rid of it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it allows the state to keep track of who is buying the marijuana.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The state doesn't need to know.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'direct sales is the issue'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the voters of colorado disagree...they approved it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'next time read the fine print of those things before you vote for em :p'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Voters are stupid, no news there :D'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I guess most people prefer a pot tax to an overall sales tax increase.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Amsterdam banned marijuana sales to non citizens :('
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'After they did it, tourist travel to the city dropped by 8%'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, high taxes allow black market growers to make big profits, costing govt more money to enforce stupid laws.....'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sheesh, billy gates has $71 billion now.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, a $300k ferarri was run over by a delivery truck.....another one bites the dust...good riddance.'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'there was this slideshow about the abandoned luxury cars in dubai or whatever. very sad. but inspiring'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yay! Obama job approval down to 39%'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, man forced by police to go to two different medical centers until one agreed to aid the police in performing 8 anal probesm without a warrant, because the man failed to make a complete stop at a stop sign'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK boy, 8, shoots and kills brother, 3'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'knife-wielding man in Norway hijacks a bus, kills 3'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see NY is about to vote a bum in as mayor, that'll work! (though he can't be worse than the encumbant)'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'How'd the Tea Party do tonight?'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'need better scones'
T3/r7/2013-11-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'wow...fancy'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, in 1940 when the first person started receiving monthly social security checks, the check was for $22.54 per month....in todays dollars it would be about $1260 per month on average.......Social Security is out of whack and needs to be rebalanced.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'with inflation added, that $22.54 per month would be around $360 per month today.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'And 9 out of 10 retired people regardless of income get a check from social security.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'but you're not being withheld the same amounts you wld have been in 1940'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '9 out of 10 people have paid into social security'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) U T T E R Nonsense: 'I wanna hoolldd your cchheeccckk... I wanna hoolldd your check'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the 22.54 was the minimum amount you could get from social security in 1940....even if you only worked for 1 day and never worked again.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was the minimum and the maximum actually.....'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) U T T E R Nonsense: 'The life expectancy was also much less.  Why do you think the retirement age is what it is?  Because they only expected to have to pay people for a few years until they died... it wasn't designed to support people for 20+ years.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, in 1940 the life expectancy of people from birth was less than 65....but after childhood it was 65 which is what they based it on.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the first person to receive monthly benefit checks from SS lived to be almost 100 years old...:p'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) U T T E R Nonsense: 'that has nothing to do with life expectancy.. that's an outlier'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'she earned income of about $260 over her lifetime, and gained about $22,600 in SS benefits over her life.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'widowed?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'its all on the SS website, the first person, first monthly check, etc'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'see, and they thought the baby boomers were gonna be the biggest drain on the system :P'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and todays SS program is nothing like how it was originally designed and started.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it was originally designed to be a retirement program, nothing more.  If you worked, you received the benefit.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course the retirement part of the SS program still accounts for almost 75% of the money paid out by SS per month.  37 million retired workers getting monthly checks totalling $47 billion'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, SS accounts for almost $780 billion of the federal budget per year.  That is about  27%'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'By 2033, the number of older Americans will increase from 45.1 million today to 77.4 million.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are currently 2.8 workers for each Social Security beneficiary. By 2033, there will be 2.1 workers for each beneficiary.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) U T T E R Nonsense: 'Ermahgerd?! The number of older Americans is going to INCREASE?! I thought it would decrease... isn't that the trend?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people are living longer....'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In 1940, the life expectancy of a 65-year-old was almost 14 years'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'In 1940, the life expectancy of a 65-year-old was almost 14 years, today it is more than 20 years.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, in 1937 there were 52,000 SS checks sent out each month totalling $1.3 million....in 1938 it increased to 230,000 checks per month totalling $10.5 million.....big increase in the amount of money being sent out for only a 150,000 increase in checks.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Yes, we must be vigilant against wild increases. Whose idea was this 1.5% increase, anyway? They'll just spend it on a better grade of cat food to eat.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in 1950 SS hit $1 billion per month in payments for the first time......and 3.5 million checks were sent out each month.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'actually, I think this graph is messed up.....it isnt $1 billion per month...it is $1 billion total per year.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aw, guess the Astrodome is going to be demolished....there goes the 8th wonder of the man made world.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Astrodome is not a Wonder of the World  (except to uneducated yokels)'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'To get fewer old people, just redifine the age you are considered old. The 65 year definition was from a time when that was the average life span.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '70 is the new 60.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the human body starts to break down faster and heal slower at 65 from physical labour -- so they retire and live longer'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Here is the single most important data point. The SS Trust Fund has steadily, no astoundingly, grown with receipts exceeding expenditures since 1957. It is solvent if people keep their hands off it through the boomer bulge and on after. It pays for itself if not raided. There is no problem, it is all BS hype. http://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4a3.html'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'work them past 65 to 70, and they'll die sooner from the unrepaired damage'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even the extremely rich die before 65 because of bad nutrition and bad habits'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Keep pissing me off talking about taking away the money I paid in and I'll kick it from stress :)'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Of course, we could spend more of the economic growth on free time, and less on swag, but then maybe the terrorists win.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'we could spend it on educating the yokels'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'well, the problem isnt the money in the SS trust fund....it is the govt bonds in it....That money would still need to be repaid by current taxes to pay people from the trust fund......'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are essentially paying interest to ourselves......but better to pay ourselves the interest than say china or japan.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Borrowing money to fund a deficit is not good in the long run? Who knew??'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'risks should be diversified'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'here and around the globe'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) U T T E R Nonsense: 'I have a dream, that black risks... and white risks... can live together in harmony!
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well its could be benifitial'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and other countries are doing it'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the SS trust fund earned $102 billion in interest in 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but payments to SS retirees was $67 billion higher than SS revenues for 2012.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'including the interest.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Cant keep spending more SS money per year than the program earns....the trust fund would be gone in 25 years.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if the trust fund was gone though....it would add only $100 billion to the program cost per year....not a catastrophe.....'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'which is why when the scare mongers say you wont get a check when you retire....it is bullshit....you will still get a check, it will just cost the program a little more each year from general revenues because the trust fund interest earned would be gone.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'e-h 7'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, oops'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, good thing the Titanoboa went extinct....imagine a boa snake 3x as long as a bus and almost as wide.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like in the governor elections the democrats played good strategy, and the republicans played fucking abysmal "i-want-a-communist-future-that-doesn't-include-this-party" future'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, the USS Zumwalt left drydock on October 28th, 2013.....the first in a new class of Stealth Destroyers for the Navy....'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why do you need a steal destroyer when the regime's self-confessed enemy is it's own people?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stealth*'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'You are our enemy.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're not your enemey, we're your bitch'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Evil British trying to take over the world.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Capt. James A. Kirk, the executive assistant to the director of surface warfare, will be the commanding officer of the USS Zumwalt.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess they couldnt find a James T Kirk....'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Much of the ship's superstructure is wrapped in a canopy made of lightweight carbon-fiber composite. The ship is also built on angles so that it is 50 times harder to spot on radar than an ordinary destroyer.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it has the radar signature of a whale.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hurrok: 'to what nation are you referring? If you are referring to the United States, what state are you referring to? '
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What other nation would create a stealth destroyer ?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'russia and china immediately come to mind'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hurrok: 'I assume you mean the United States because you mentioned Republicans. The United Kingdom is another option. '
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The Zumwalt will be equipped with a new missile-launching system capable of firing 80 missiles, including Tomahawk cruise missiles and Sea Sparrow surface-to-air missiles.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Russia cant even afford to build migs, let alone a new stealth destroyer.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hurrok: 'okay so based on the ordinance list, I now know that you're talking about the US. So I'm not clear on what your concern is? '
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in answer to your question, Cresestux, as far as I understand it, the tp candidate in virginia narrowly lost, despite huge democrat funding for the libertarian party candidate that undercut him for 7%, and despite the GOP cutting him loose and not supporting him at all'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess that's what you call "the establishment closing ranks" even if it meant sacrificing their own'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'nods....saw that this morning'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Insane Xantcha: 'the "USS" before the ship name might've been a clue, too....'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and the chinese are building an aircraft carrier....a small one.....so lets see if it can float first...before expecting them to build a stealth destroyer :)'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hurrok: 'okay fine. But I'm still unclear what exactly it is your arguing? what is your contention/concern?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'it's going to get even nastier for 2014'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK announced 1700 job losses in ship building today, after all, serfs don't need a navy and besides, they realise future threats will be nuclear, cyber, or asymmetric - what need of a navy?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you can always print one later?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Are the UK going to nuke the Falklands ?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Australia is going to have a big Navy eventually....perhaps they could buy some of the british navy ships.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'especially after discovering $25 to 40 trillion in new shale oil down under.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shale oil is pointless'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'shale oil is sexy.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hurrok: 'so, I take it that I'm not going to get clarification on your position, or precisely what it is your discussing? Is the question whether or not there is a need to have a Navy? Is it the overall cost of the Navy? Is the purpose of the Navy to defend against foreign or domestic threats? '
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it isn't sexy, it's a waste of money, even BP's chief has come out and said so, wishing he'd not got involved in it'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'he was just reading and discussing an article'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'don't recall a point or position being made....just declarations based on the article'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my personal opinion? UK needs a navy for defence, doesn't need to be very big, a replacement for trident would be good'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We dont want BP in on it anyways....shale oil is for companies with risk taking balls to create new tech to find the oil.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does USA need a navy? probably, given all the people it's regime has pissed off over the last few decades'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mind you, USA will be ripe for revolution in a few years, too, further complicating matters'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'too much coastline for the USA not to have a navy'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK could fracture into 3 parts over the next decade'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Republic of Texas !'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hurrok: 'Revolution is fairly unrealistic given the military might at the government's disposal and the option to peacefully pass power from one hand to the next. You may get a vote of no-confidence of sorts and have the Prez step down in favor of another. Succession from the union is unlikely, imo. '
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We would be one of the richest nations in the world if we did.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has over 60% of the nations oil and gas.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'revolution is already happening, just not armed'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'there is always a revolution'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hurrok: 'explain.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps 'revolution' is too strong a term. 'Polarisation' might be a better phrase'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Revolution is a tv show.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hurrok: 'agreed.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'polarisation will lead to bitterness and conflict'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'revolution, by definition, ends up where it started from'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that could be a catalyst for things to kick off'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Remember the Alamo!'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think a few states leaving the union would be good for everyone'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Scotland leaving the UK would be good for the UK'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'it was a slaughter'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas and Alaska could join together......'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for one thing, Scotland leaving the UK would guarantee a non-Labour government for some time'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, Alaska would probably join Canada.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think it's more likely to be texas, louisiana, kentucky, iowa, idaho, tenessee, possibly utah, arizona'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and oklahoma'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'likely?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'new mexico'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it could be avoided by rebooting and returning to the original relationship between states and federal government, i.e a much smaller one'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you won't get that with all the latinos flooding the country and voting for welfare'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'arizona wouldnt join Texas....'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'they would join with california.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'texas is in danger of going blue by 2020'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Most hispanics are moderate republicans, not democrats.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't be surprised if that mad nazi abortion woman makes governor'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: 'good lord'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not your local hispanics that are the issue, it's all the imported ones from california'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'along with all the braindead ones that don't even know what the constitution is, much less why it's good'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we dont import them from california...they stay in california.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you import population from california :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we import rich people from california.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we'll see :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my prediction is your next governor will be democrat'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'people who start businesses....Texas is the 2nd fastest growing economy in the US.....we went down a knotch because of lack of healthcare for lower middle class people.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and unless americans wake up, texas will be blue for 2016'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that it'll matter because state governance will largely be usurped by the feds by then anyway'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tell the folks what happened a couple years back when the texas state legislator was planning to remove TSA from it's airports'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Almost 25% of texans do not have health insurance, so apparently that knocked Texas out of the #1 spot for fastest growing economy.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even fewer texans have health insurance now'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'that is based on 2013, it is still 2013.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fewer texans -will- have health insurance now'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has a budget surplus this fiscal 2 years......again.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good, they'll need it to pay out all the law suits that have risen from your dodgy police that have been taking the federal monies'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The people voted to move $2 billion from the growing rainy day fund to a new water development fund to help create new water resources for the next drought.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they should have done that here after the 1976 drought, but instead did nothing, as a result we still regularly have hosepipe bans and rising water prices, compulsory metering'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we live on a temperate, wet island, ffs'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'new oil and gas revenue added almost $3 billion to the rainy day fund in the last 2 years.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'make hay while the sun shines, riz, that bubble will pop'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it only has to last another 40 years, piece of cake.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the people at the top are giving it 10, tops'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gas longer'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'what is going to replace it?  solar satellites orbiting the moon ?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing, probably'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then it will be at least 40 years.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an either or'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't make something last 40 years that is only viable for 10'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the US has a 168 year supply of oil if we didnt import any oil.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the UK is only viable for 10 years, since you guys import all your gas from Russia....:p'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be owned by the chinese'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Russia is going to turn off the gas, and send it to Japan instead.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one more big earthquake in the right place and there won't be a japan'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and yet Japan has been there for thousands of years just fine.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and will be for thousands more at least.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, but they didn't have a large nuclear plant in meltdown thousands of years ago'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it wasnt that large, it was 1 reactor out of 4'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more of an immediate world concern is Saudi Arabia's plants to get nukes'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the pollution potential is 16x that of Chernobyl'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not worried about it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much point being worried about it, what can you do?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be fine or you'll get cancer'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'more radiation was released by the two bombs dropped in japan in WW2 than that reactor meltdown.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'entirely different types of radiation, but yes, so far the majority of the pollution is waterbound'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so just avoid pacific seafood'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the pacific is huge, and there is more natural radioactive particles in the oceans of the world than anything that meltdown will release.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, different types of radioactive particles'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what will be a major issue is if the reactor blows up sending alpha emitters into the air, then you're in trouble'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'oh sure, just like the billions of barrels of oil that seeps into the ocean each year from undersea seeps, it is different types of oil :p suuuure....:)'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are three different types of radiation, alpha beta and gamma. Different radioactive particles have different half-lives, and decay with different amounts of energy'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'all that oil seeping into the oceans helps feed the ocean life.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Creestux: '?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps Godzilla will be created from the radiation in Japan.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'there goes the movie rights.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so coffee is radioactive, with a long half life, but isn't energetic so isn't much of an issue. The radioactive caesium and iodine rleased by fukishima is 100yr half life beta emitters moderately dangerous. Uranium, such as from a dirty bomb or from depleted uranium casing is highly energetic with a very very long halflife and is pretty toxic to life'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as Iraqi's and army vets are finding to their cost'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'depleted uranium makes very good tank shells.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, and they were banned for best part of 60 years because of their toxicity to all involved'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Saudi's with nukes, what will Israel do about that?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'perhaps the UK will find the mother of all shale oil deposits under buckingham palace.....'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would russia do with that? it'd be the mother of all hypocrisy if they allow Saudi to breech non proliferation with all the bullshit being put on surrounding Iran'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime, UK population expected to hit 70m by 2020, we're fast becoming a population of serfs'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would hope UK serves as a warning to the USA against going down the route of corporate fascism and socialism, but most Americans are pretty dumb'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then take back your govt, and create a pro small business govt.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as long as they're being offered trendy shiney things, they'll buy anything'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already been captured by the EU/globalist corporate monsters'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'That is what happens when you dilute the bloodlines......people get dumber.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no taking it back, people will have to suffer in order for the penny to drop'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but then again, you could say a pure bloodline is also a method to madness.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be dead, i won't have to deal with this shit'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and my philosophy was "you did this, you made your bed, you fucking lay in it"'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I have my ranch, so I am happy.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have your ranch until it is taken by the chinese'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'cattle, donkeys, goats, rabbits, chickens, deer, and etc.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They can buy it from me for $10 million.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be zoned as no human habitation by the UN Agenda 21 commission. You'll get pittance, if you get anything at all'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you need to stop subscribing to those conspiracy magazines... :)'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't afford magazines, i have to make do with listening to the BBC'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and because it's the BBC, I believe everything they say'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course, who doesn't ?'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'faux news.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like it when they have self-contradicting stories on different days'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though their coverage of world news is hilarious'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I prefer al jezeera news.....very good reporting.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rt is pretty good for world news, albeit through a lense'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coming in 2014, the Al Jazeera news network on tv.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it can't be any worse than MSNBC'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not much can be worse than msnbc.'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is true'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Marxist Socialist News By Communists'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they even have the communist strapline "Lean forward"'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thermonuclear war might be the least worst option for the future of humanity'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thermonucelar war isn't very trendy, we'll rename it "progressive nuclear disarmament"'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because as you know, progressive is trendy and cool'
T3/r7/2013-11-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not at all sinister sounding'
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'its a mad world.'
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'yep'
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'this winter is going to be a record breaker...you watch.'
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i kin of hope it is'
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'and not just because i got a new 4x4 truck'
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'record breaking for what, one thinks'
T3/r7/2013-11-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'any opinions on Seatac changing minimum wage to $15'
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what on earth is Seatac?'
T3/r7/2013-11-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is a really good 101 on money supply, debt, and inflation: http://rt.com/shows/keiser-report/episode-520-max-keiser-318/'
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'RIM will be a case study in the relative effects of monopoly market and free market innovation.Extra credit: Why did Microsoft stay out of it? Discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they didn't.'
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Abelinc wins'
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Scientists had struggled to find the trigger for so-called Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) that has wiped out an estimated 10 million beehives, worth $2 billion, over the past six years.'
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'The researchers collected pollen from hives on the east coast, including cranberry and watermelon crops, and fed it to healthy bees. Those bees had a serious decline in their ability to resist a parasite that causes Colony Collapse Disorder. The pollen they were fed had an average of nine different pesticides and fungicides, though one sample of pollen contained a deadly brew of 21 different chemicals. Further, the researchers discovered that bees that ate pollen with fungicides were three times more likely to be infected by the parasite.'
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'In other research (funded by the polluters) bee death is associated with the death of dinosaurs'
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Bee populations are so low in the US that it now takes 60% of the countrys surviving colonies just to pollinate one California crop, almonds. And thats not just a west coast problem California supplies 80% of the worlds almonds, a market worth $4 billion.'
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Use your mind. Bees are dying. Bats are dying. Trees are dying, Right here, right now. It is not someday, it is now.'
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and filipinos are dying from that super typhoon.'
T3/r7/2013-11-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Arnica bows his head
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'extreme weather events just aren't what they used to be'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, the Egyptian rulers aren't at all fond of the US regime right now'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'we threw a lot of support behind morsi'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- h5'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fravardin: 'unlucky'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in hindsight was a stupid idea'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(supporting morsi)'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'worst part with that typo is everyone sees it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to worry'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think of the policy of court marshalling enlisted military for donating money to certain churches and political charities?'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'is Hamas a political charity?'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but are mosques and synagogues included in those USa-military-forbidden "certain churches"'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesetingly, HSBC and others have been caught passing funds to Hamas even though it is on the prescribed list'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but no, Hamas is not a charity, political or otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I like hamas with pita bread'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which group poisoned Yasser Arafat'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Allegedly group 16 in the periodic table.'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'polonium'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '210'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's allegedly in the same way Litvinuenko was murdered using it by people in the Russian establishment'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allegedly in the same way that JFK murder was embroiled in part of a regime conspiracy'
T3/r7/2013-11-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would anyone resist a law requiring GMO ingredients to be labelled as such in food products?'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'Redryn- that has the big downer of the chance of BEING caught, which, in this game, is a big chance. Simply not breaking the rules has no chance of failure and thus consequence.'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'nice one...'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'it could have worked in either channel o.o'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'people are happier when not wearing pants!'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'British BBC is peddling NWO agenda again. Today it was wanking over fatbag Chris Christie'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they claimed in a propaganda piece that the only option the republican party have is to push Fatbag Rhino Christie as their presidential candidate for 2016 or face obliteration '
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, i came up with an alternative to ACA that would be constitution-compatible'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'Private insurance?'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mark dice does it again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_-6RlheSQkM'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, nonsense (heh, no nonsense!)'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Time seemingly stops as I Sense Nonsense conjures Alot of Tigernutss. 
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it goes, i would have kept the exchanges, kept the bronze/silver/gold thing and kept most of the regulations on insurance companies with regards to minimum standards and coverage. What I would have changed is twofold: First, I would have had the government produce their own not-for-profit health plan, along with maintaining a public price list of charges that expect for various procedures. I would subsidise anyone's health plan based on their income. I would tax health insurance at 20% and ringfence all federal money from any taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, and cannabis and put that towards the cost'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there would be no employer mandate'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'tl:dr'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there would be no mandatory element period'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there would also be no need for medicare/medicaid'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would Chris Christie make a credible president, or will he eat the country further into debt'
T3/r7/2013-11-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the last family guy episode. it got sharp again didn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts's shifty eyes dart back and forth.
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK now, police can arrest you in a situation where on the 'balance of probabilities' a person has or might engage in behaviour capable of causing annoyance to another person'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in the US, the DEA is able to bust down your door and take away your hyroponic tomato plants because all indications suggested you have a weed-growing operation going on.'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you can sue them?'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'In Sweden, it's cold as shit right now.'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'how warm are swedish feces?'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: '3K.'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so then your contention is that it's 3k in sweden right now?'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'never poke a swedish fart, you don't know how long it's been there.'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Give or take a Kelvin, yes.'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's warm in Sweden now. Warm for being 12 days into November.'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'It might be a hindered fart, or in swedish, a "farthinder".'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sweden is pretty lame'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'are swedish amputees cute?'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'James O'Keefe has been up to his old tricks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUsUWFANPS8&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this time filming some black heroine-addled women hired as obamacare navigators getting people they're advising to lie on their forms in order to defraud the government'
T3/r7/2013-11-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go obamacare!'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'hiiiii'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'well that's actually not an order, emm.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'keep that in mind when it comes to cops'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you know I am a 4th year law student right?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'annnnnnnnnd?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'go get arrested.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'get some real world experience.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so I am well aware of my rights and how to invoke them'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'how is that even relevant to what I said?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Umado: 'when the police officer asks for your liscense do you argue that you dont want to because he only asked instead of ordering?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'it can be done, umado. but idk'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'NO'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'at say: a checkpoint.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not in this state anyway'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'checkpoints are constitutional so says SCOTUS (even if they are wrong its the law of the land for now)'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'Emm: if a police officer requests you to do something and you don't, is that technically considered disobeying or something?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'Oh okay'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and operating a vehicle on a public roadway is sufficient grounds for an officer to request proof of liscense.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'yeah... but can you answer my question?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it depends on if they have the authority to order it, and if it is an order or not.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if a police officer asks you to kiss him, it isn't an order, and can't be one'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'well if they request (aka use 'please').. as in i stated, request, not order'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'well it is an order but it's not legal..'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'so you don't have to obey that'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wreck-It Roninleader: 'well, technically, you don't need a lisence to drive a car, legally. :P'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Will you please pull over is a request.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'a 'legal order' I guess?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '"please pull over" is an order.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'nope. I doubt it. any supporting articles online?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'on the difference between a police request and a police order?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'yeah, even better if you know one that specifically mentions 'please''
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't know one off the top of my head, but there is plenty of caselaw on this depending on which jurisdiction you are discussing'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'oh okay. order vs request. i'll search'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'seems like a good to ask if it's an order'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'that kinda keeps things on a polite level'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'if you really don't wanna do what he/she requests anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I can assure you of one thing, unless it is a hot pursiut situation you will never get into legal trouble for asking for clarification of whether something is a request or an order'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'what if I tell them my name, but not my corporate identity? XD'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'generally speaking even when police have the authority to order you to do something they prefer to start by requesting it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it tends be more productive'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'cops can also arrest you if they feel like it. they can decide not to arrest you if they feel like it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'to (cut corners) something like that.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well no a cop cannot (legally anyway) arrest you just because they feel like it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if they do, you can sue under 42 usc 1983'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'not 'just' because but they can choose to do so. they aren't often required to'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'like if you get a traffic violation. they can choose to arrest you, or not. that's what I mean.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'so if you piss them off they'll arrest you and you'll wait a week in jail to get out. :/'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'oh there is certainly an area of discretion, just because they have probable cause (or even a warrant) does not mean they HAVE to arrest you.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'right. practically, they get to choose in some situations.. yeah that's what i mean'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as long as they don't have probable cause or a warrent that will get them a nice hefty 1983 suit.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'well like say, in texas, they can arrest you for traffic violation.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sure but by definition they have probable cause there'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'oooh. right.. legal definition.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you have almost certainly actually violated the law if you are being given a citation'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'hmm'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and unless it is a specifically non-arrestable offense (like seatbelts in Indiana) they can choose to arrest you for that violation'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'so you can be arrested for anything you can be fined for then.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but they really aren't going to unless there is some reason to.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'ah'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not ANYthing, but most things'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'most non-moving violations are not arrestable offenses in most states I think.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'although they can impound your car for having a tail-light out at night unless you have a spare in the car to replace it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'they can also check you for drugs.. can't they?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'etc'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hence why I keep spares of all my lights except headlights in my car.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'or maybe that's in the area of probable cause, suspicion.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they cannot arrest you for mere suspicion'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'well, he's not drunk, i think he's drunk, but didn't find any drugs time for a pee test for drugs!'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'I think you're wrong about that for some reason. but perhaps not'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or even for "reasonable suspicion" which is generally the standard for "Terry" stops (i.e. the infamous stop and frisks and most dui stops)'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'what state? what law? etc'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Terry is a SCOTUS case'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it originated in Ohio though.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Terry v. Ohio to be exact'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is the precident for stop and frisk proceedures (in many many many states)'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but almost ALL criminal procedure rules are federal these days'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the states can grant MORE rights to suspects and defendants, but rarely do'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so it generally comes down to what they supreme court (US and to a lesser extent individual State Supereme Courts) decide.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'anyway did you have anything else you wanted to discuss?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'so something like, if you left a drug dealer's house, got pulled over for a tail light'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'or..'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'maybe you smelled of drugs'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'but they looked and didn't find any, so they decided to do a pee test?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'anyway, that's kinda why i think request vs order is important..'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'im confused'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'okay what gives them the right to order a pee test'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'or a blood test.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you are driving a motor vehicle on a public road and you are suspected of being under the influence they have the authority to give you a breathalizer, and in some instances further tests (such as a blood or urine test).'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'what instances?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'if they 'suspect', right?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'when it crosses the line between suspicion (which they can detain but not arrest you for) into probable cause (which they can arrest you for) is a pretty complex issue'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'not a complex issue if they find something tho.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but there is plenty of caselaw on this, start with Terry v Ohio (findlaw is a great free source for cases)'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that defines the standard for reasonable suspicion and cites to the cases that define probable cause.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'no i mean after the fact'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but don't take any of this as legal advice, I am not a lawyer yet :)'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it depends on why you were pulled over'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'then we get into the "plain view" doctrine, which includes "plain smell"'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'judge isn't gonna be like, well, they had 0.00 breath, had a tail light, no drugs on them or in the vehicle, but you did a pee test anyway and found some drugs. you didn't have probable cause. case thrownout (or whatever)'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'they're gonna be like, well, they had some drugs in their system. good call, officer!'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'e.g. if you get pulled over for a legitimate reason, and you smell like marijuana, that is probably proable cause for a search, which may include a drug test'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'yeah so basically any reason'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'so they can do a pee test if they think you smell like marijuana :D'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'I'm gonna rub a skunk all over me lol'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but in most states just testing positive for marijuana is not a crime'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'no but driving a vehicle is'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'can lead to several years in prison'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you ave to test positive or a level that would impare drivin'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'even if it is a 49cc scooter.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'or? you just said..'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which will be defined by statute.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'impair driving is a legal matter vs a scientific matter.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is a science matter unless it is codified.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which is why it is in the statutes in most states'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'it's never a science matter as far as law is concerned.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'there's a law it says over 0.02 impairs driving. that's the final word..'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'for designer drugs it usually is.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'hm. okay'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since they are usually too new to have a defined legal limit.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'personally I would suggest not operating a vehicle if you have been exposed to THC in the last 24 hours, but that is personal not legal standards.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'although I will say that the science shows less imparement from typical doses of THC as compared to typical doses of alcohal I think any imparement is a collossally bad idea.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'including driving while tired.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and as someone who has literally drove for 24 hours straight (aside from gas and bathroom stops), I can attest to how stupid that is.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'yeah'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I would also suggest that if you are living in texas (as it sounds like you are) and you like pot, you should consider moving to colarado or Washington state.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'my understanding is texas is about teh worst state to get a marijuana bust in.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'although parts of new mexico are probably worse not because of legal penalties but because of extralegal activities of the police in those counties.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'want to see an article that is just terrifying?'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/traffic_stop_brings_3_enemas_2_x-rays_and_1_colonoscopy_in_cops_fruitless_d/?utm_source=maestro&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=weekly_email'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'oh yeah. I read about that. Yes. that's terrifying. really.'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'happened to another guy before him'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'now I am'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'friend posted that on fb'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Obamacare could bring the democrats down. this looks like a good opportunity for libertarians/teapartyists'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, the UK is still shit'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and btw, Obama is looking to push a new CISPA/SOPA bill through by secret agreement without going through congress'
T3/r7/2013-11-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'prediction: Yellen will INCREASE quantitative easing, not taper it'
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aerocad: '"This channel is flagged as X-Rated. You are very likely to see adult oriented material on this channel." What?! I thought this channel was for news?'
T3/r7/2013-11-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'nope. that's the music channel.'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'is homemade napalm, as featured in the movie 'hawk's revenge' on netflix, really that easy to make?'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts peers around himself intently.
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The health gap, that is to say the difference in life expectancy between the richest and poorest in society has increased in the UK since the imposition of socialised healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no big surprise'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is counter to what most british people would believe'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but likewise you cannot say it wouldn't also have happened, or been worse, had there not been socialised healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'although a better question would be whether the life expectancy for just those poor has gone up or down'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i found it an interesting statistic, nevertheless'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the life expectancy of everyone has gone up, but that's the same worldwide'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'factor of technology and economics, not individual health policy'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not entirely so'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what other factors do you consider to have had an impact? lifestyle? jobs?'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'healthcare access'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'socialized healthcare should amend the access to healthcare from just emergency healthcare for those without any insurance to also including maintenance healthcare, which should impact life expectancy'
T3/r7/2013-11-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shame socialised healthcare doesn't offer that then :/'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'claims are that the new xbox can see through your clothes like tsa scanners'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are also claims that L.A has had a wireless spymesh installed like Seattle'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the xbox story is a bunked, it can see detect you through walls but it can't see your winkie'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who on earth thought it was a good idea to have an international agreement whereby corporations could sue governments for having policies that harm their future profits, in a kangaroo court that consisted solely of financiers?'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if a person dies because of a sickness. cancer, ms, something nasty. would it be incredibly unethical to grab a certain % of his savings(a law or a neat contract when still healthy) and put it into research? I mean, if all the people with cancer would agree to donate some, there will be much quicker results, cheaper drugs too.'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if all the people with cancer agreed to donate some, then you wouldn't be grabbing a certain % of their savings...'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'would it be unethical to ban chemo therapy?'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'people are more than welcome to put charitable donations into their will if they desire to'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'I guess you would promote putting charitable donations for cancer into their will.'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not really, may encourage more bloated parasites syphoning off huge salaries and bonuses while doing minimal actual research'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Would it be unethical to kill old people once they're no longer producing a net positive for society?'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'I prefer Kilo therapy'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yes, but they think of their healthy but greedy(:p) family first'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Cut high GI carbs and other nastiness from your diet, and you may reasonably expect to halve cancer rates, then you can fire some researchers, keep your money and lower taxes? :)'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'there's really no reason to CeriQ..'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'sometimes you can have your ..coconut fat based.. cake and eat it too'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'coconut oil is healthy'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may be ethical to euthanise "trolls" that suggest (and enact) bad policies '
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'I disagree. troll is just another word for dissenter these days'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may be ethical to euthanise the overpaid CEOs of large Charities'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'it'd be more profitable to put them in prison'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "troll" is not a synonym for "dissenter" '
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'technically, no it isn't. But in practice it more frequently is.'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'true! the synonym for 'dissenter' is 'terrorist''
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'XD XD'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the main reason that the Bill of Rights was required is that the constitution founders and supporters knew that those of Irish Scottish English ancestry (and or of religious affiliation) were extremely corrupt when in authority'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'interesting.'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'im pretty sure corruption is independent of race.'
T3/r7/2013-11-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as the descendants of the Aborigines in Australia already know from prior experience, never trust a Irish Scottish English trustee (unless you're trusting them to be extremely corrupt)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bit more to it that that'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'written in 1970'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'hi'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'is this channel only for political debate or any type of debate'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'or is that debatable'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'any type'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can debate anything on here, lowain, and if you're lucky, you'll get sensible responses'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have my favourite topics/topics of expertise, but i can throw out an opinion on just about anything'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'great u must be a know it all'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what is your field of expertise'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know it all'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i was kidding'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'TN is an expert in tin-foil-hatness :P'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'sweet'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ranrr is a justifier of tyranny'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Didn't know that.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'are u a practitioner?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'of tyranny'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'me? no'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Honestly, dunno where TN got that from. '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'but u r an imperal baron'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an affectation'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what is an affectation?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i am new sorry'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'to both aardwolf and mud in general'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A show, pretense, or display.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e it's just a clan rank'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'so u r in a position of power?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'they don't call initiates imperial baron'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'conflating a game and reality won't help you'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'well most game are based on reality'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'usually not in an meaningful way'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any relevent meaning is usually encapsulated in the story rather than the mechanics of the game itself'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'but they are relevant to the structure and organization of peopel'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for example?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'for example emperial baron reflects some one in a position of power, hence a command chain, a ranking of heirachy'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'organization of clans in general reflects this same structure we find in society '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Trying to draw a parallel between the very small and highly biased sample of this MUD's population and society at large doesn't seem like it would be very sound.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd agree with Jhav'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i am not saying it's parallel, i am just saying that organization of people in mud is very similiar or based upon organization of people in real life'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'or rather one draws inspiration from the other'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inspiration will be from history or from the genre in which the clan is taken from'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't really go any further than that. It doesn't inform real life'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i believe that it's organization and structure as well'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'they are essentially organization of people one in reality, one is virtual'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think the mental exercise will give you any meaningful insight'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'you mean debating?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debateing this specifically'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'that's where we diff'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'debating as an activity in itself is meaningful'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if you can give an example of where it informs reality, let's hear it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'even more if it yields meaningful result'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'even more if it yields meaningful result'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'give an example of where it informs reality, sorry i don't under stand this'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'how is that relevant to our discussion, or have i mistaken that for a line of new inquieres'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'because my previous assertion was that games draws inspiration from real life'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Lowain, you need to get to something specific enough for TN to TN to snort contemptuously and make derisive comments about you. That is what he lives for. Feed him.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol, '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'tell him you love Obama, it'll drive him wild'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'actually i don't like obama to a marxist like me he is too democratic'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i mean too republican'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i am a pratciging communist'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'who can't spell'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Sic him TN!!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'very edgy'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'that's what i live for'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think it really warrants a response'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'besides which, there isn't such a thing as a practicing communist'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'ooo u r here'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here of sorts'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from my experience, people who claim to sympathetic to communism either don't understand what it is, are actually sympathetic to something else they're just mislabelling communism, or ignorant to what it leads to'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's usually spouted by the same sort of intellectually shallow people who think it'd be a good idea to euthenise everyone under a certain IQ'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'sorry i was away'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i am a practicing communist meaning that i pratice the economic ideals of communism , within my community there is no idea of ownership everyone has access to everyone's else's property'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'u there tn'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'of course there are certain undesirable outcomes regarding communist, but the same applies to capitalist and that's why there are certain policies in check to prevent the undersirable result of capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'is t n a troll'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: '?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'sup tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i missed you'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot practice the economic ideals of communism without the other aspects'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i checekd out your personal website, tell me tell u it's a great site'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'let me *'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'who are the other aspects?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'that u r refering to'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sharing physical resources at a community level doesn't mean you're practicing communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you share material resources in your community as a matter of choice, then that isn't communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'first of all what other aspects are you refering to , and second i didn't say they are equvalent'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other aspects? everything, law/order, rights, role of government, role of individual'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'sharing physical resources is just one of the many things that a praticing communist do, for example being a vegan requires you not eat meat, eggs, seafood wear leather products'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most largely freedom and liberty versus authoritarianism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's a difference between making a conscious choice to be a vegan and being forced to at gunpoint'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'likewise there is a big difference between making a conscious choice to share your material resources freely with your community and being forced to do it at gunpoint'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i was showing u the i am praticing communism by showing you i am praticing one thing that a communist do'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you're not really'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'just as a vegan is saying that he is pratcing vegan by saying that he is not wearing leather products'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'so u r saying that sharing physical property is not one thing that a communist do?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you never owned that property to share in communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's difference of nuance'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a difference of external force'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay what u r saying is this communist are being forced to share their proerties rather than share their properties'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'this is the difference right?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sortof, in the purist sense, there is no concept of personal property in communism so you aren't sharing it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but in a practical sense, yes, you are forced to share the property'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what you describe is more of a benevolent free enterprise, which is possible only libertarianism or anarchy'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'so for y ou does corecsion matter or not'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'anarchy and communism is pretty much the same thing at the core'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coersion is central'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'because u keep on switching between cocersion and the concept of sharing and ownership'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no switching'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what i have said is entirely self consistent'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay please explain to me the connection between sharing and ownership and cocersion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no concept of personal ownership in communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it is debased in western capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what is based on western capitalism, communism or the concept of ownership?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot choose to practice communism, you are subjected to it or not'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'if neither then what does the it refer to?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personal ownership of property is the enemy of both western capitalism and communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as is the concept of personal freedom and liberty'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't think coercion is a tenet of communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coersion is an essential tenet of communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'on what basis do you assert that?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'there is no concept of personal ownership in communism then you said and it is debased in western capitalism. what does it refer to?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because you have no individual right to reject it's teachings'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'then u said neither'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what does it in it is based in wstern capitalism refer to?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ideal communism is where everyone is enlightened and believes in communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'if it refers to neither ownership or communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought i made it clear that the concept of personal ownership of property was an enemy to western capitlism. It seeks to undermine and remove those rights'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'where everyone chooses to follow communist beliefs'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'rendering coercian unnecessary'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'coercion*'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'u r still not asnwering the question'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'of course that's practically impossible'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but that's not a tenet of communism, just how every system has implemented it :p'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no such ideal situation would exist, redryn, it's like simplifying things to point masses'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that's what academics do!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'making it clear that personal ownership was an enemy to wester capiism still doesn't explain what the it refers to'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'useful as an intellectual exercise, but extremely limited in application'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'like this debate'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why what refers to, lowain?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: ''there is no concept of personal ownership in communism then you said and it is debased in western capitalism.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'western capitalism pretends to uphold free enterprise, free markets and property ownership, but it does not, it is a debased system'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is a corrupted system, a hypocritical system, a system pretending to be something it isn't'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol please answer this simple question what does this it refer to'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what does what refer to?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'u said these 2 statement, but i don't understand them'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'first u said there is no concept of personal ownership in communism, then u said it is debased in western capitalism.''
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it is'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i just want to understand what does the it in it is based in wester captialism refer to'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'communism or the concept of ownership'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is weak/no concept of personal property ownership in western capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'concept of ownership'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'but he said neither'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i asked him whether it is communism or concept of ownership, he then replied neither'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'he said the concept of ownership is debased in western capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said neitehr because the way you phrased your question, neither were the case'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'let me give u the original statment'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok in any case he has since clarified that is what he meant'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'let me give u the original statment there is no concept of personal ownership in communism' and it is debased in western capitalism''
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there is a difference between 'debased' and 'based''
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'oo my bad actually'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you asked: (Debate) Lowain: 'what is based on western capitalism, communism or the concept of ownership?', he said: '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you asked: (Debate) Lowain: 'what is based on western capitalism, communism or the concept of ownership?', he said:  (Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither''
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'yeah that's my bad'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'so which one debate'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which one what?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i which one debased in western capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the personal ownership of property'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay tnx'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'western capitalism, is there more than one kind of capitalism?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts pats 2/3 Flying VampireDude on his head.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there are so many kinds people will argue about what capitalism means'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'redryn not me, i just assume that they've all read das kapitel and understand the implements of land husbandry'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i wasn't arguing about what capitalism is and isn't'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts let's argue what capitalism is and isn't'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'is capitalism an ideology?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would appear to be'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i disagree.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay so can u explain the connection between cocersion, and the concept of ownership'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'back to where we were'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts i walked in late i guess, are you guys discussing the 1st,2nd,3rd,and 4th estates?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, vd'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh. k'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i would assume coercion is necessary to protect your property'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lowain was claiming to be a practicer of communism, and i said he wasn't because you do not practice communism because that would imply a conscious decision'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do not decide to participate in communism, that's kinda the point'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hmmn. k. so lowain is a commie. and you are saying he's not?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts well, a few people back in the 1900s in russia decided to participate in communism, and brought the rest of the nation along for a ride'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can be a supporter of communist ideas, but you don't 'decide' to practice communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rest of the nation didn't "'participate' in it so much as were forced'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i think stalin decided to!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude whistles that song by gang of four about going for a ride with my friend, and hoping that he doesnt let me down again.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay so that's your statement'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thus the coersion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'unless lowain is the leader of the group.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so stalin made a conscious decision :p'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts so basically, you're saying that unless you're a leader, you can't be a practicing communist?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not communist vs capitalist, it's authoritarian vs libertarian which is why i said property ownership concept is debased in western capilism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, vd, you can't practice communism period'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts property ownership is encouraged, and taxed'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts what about a group of hippies that decide to share communal properties and resources'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts are they not practicing communism?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not communism, vd'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'that what is that?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'then why do they call it a commune.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'because there's only one right definition of communism and TN has it!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay i think the essence of our difference in understanding of communism is whether coercison is essential to communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'redryn he might not like maoism then'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can call it a commune, it's only practicing communism while you choose to do it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'but why do u think it is'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'lowain to perpetuate a communist state , it is a popular practice'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'coercion is not  a tenet of communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'why do u think that coecersion is essential to communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't 'practice' capitalism, i'm subjected to it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'find me that point in marx's books :p'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'so communnism is participated not practised? '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'just like supressing pot use here in the usa requires force as well'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subjected, sakage'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'you can't expect every single peasant to understand the glory of an ideology and just come marching along. you have to pay them with carrots and prod them with sticks'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'but i dont think communism is forced on to people.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it usually is'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'so tiger please explain to us why do u think coercision is essential to communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but it's not defining'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'sakage true, if they didnt want to be commies they could go work in labor camps'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm still waiting for him to rebut that'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think it is, it is, it's axiomatic'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'at least the communists gave people choices... unlike hitler's nazis'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you're just making assertions here'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'either back it up with reasoning or support'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'guys can i debate tiger'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'wait in line plese'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'lowain sure. when you feel like picking on someone your own size, i'm up for it too'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'hitler did, he just gave it to the germans with "pure blood"'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you must be new to internet debates!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there's no line'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's just all about calling other people hitler wannabes'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay first of all is communism an mathmatical truth?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no concept of personal property ownership in communism and there is no opt-out from it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'a natural truth or a system invented by a man'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'sakage he didn't have pure blood of his own though. its funny all these european neo-nazi politicians finding out they're part jewish'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'sakage maybe they ought to get a blood test before picking an ideology...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'tiger answer the question please'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ergo, you are subjected to communism, do you not participate'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what the hell?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'lowain it's a natural system that is the eventual progression of capitalism according to marx'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oops. tiger ... answer'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'my bad, sorry lowain'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol all good'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've answered it repeatedly, i think lowain is either wanting a different (wrong) answer, or after an answer to a different question'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay so tiger is communism an invention of men, or is it scientific or mathmatical truth'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'all of us are family, just depends on which era, and which family member.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol answer the question then please'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'sakage so if i sleep with your mom, we're family?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communism is an invention of man'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'if that intercourse produced me, than yes'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay who invented it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'is it not karl marx?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'sakage but what if it didnt, and it's just your 'all of us are family' line'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'lowain marx developed it into a well defined , organized system'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'shhhhhhhhhh'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i am not ready take on a man of your calibar'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'or some one my own size'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude *( but i'm bored, ever since my isp started doing dpi with tcp dumping i can't ssl into irc and debate people who have this stuff memorized :(
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vd has it, marx defined what is understood as communism, though he was pushed and funded by Mr Carnegie and Mr Rockefeller'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'okay, maybe your father's great grandfather was married to a chinese, than her son married a american the list goes on and on and on'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'sakage where you from ?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'asia.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'you?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay since communism was invented by marx, then tell me where in marx's work do u find the idea that cocersion is essential to communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'cool. i'd love to visit asia someday for the food, the calendars, the compasses, and the neat music'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'usa'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'what about women?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'back to redryn's qustion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'lowain, in his writings on revolution'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'sakage nah, most asian chicks are too short for my taste, they're almost as small as children'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's implicit, lowain'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'vampire dude'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'u r next!!!!!!!!!!!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'wait your turn'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts it's not implicit'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'lowain i'm talking to sakage ^_^'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'this converasation is getting of topic, sorry!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'sorry i assumed i was popular'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude comforts Lowain.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay so it is not explict'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'it is implied'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'where in the work does it imply'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is implicit, you can't have popular shared ownership of the means of production, whether in a party-elite centralist controlled reality implementation of communism, or even in some kind of non-existent idealist interpretation'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'communism, deapotism, demorcracy was all created by men, so what?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay is that the statement that implies it?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'u there t n?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you're making circular arguments TN'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'redryn yep. but lowain wants to tackle it himself'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it is implied  - because it is impossible, therefore it's implied!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'is that the statement that implies that coercision is essential to communism?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'hey i am a big boy i don't need help okay?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i expected more from you :('
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i think i can work out the circularity but i am not sure, if i need help i will call for it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what to say to you. If you don't understand the difference between free will and coersion, no amount of asking the same question over and over will help'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'saying "you just can't" doesn't make it so...people do it all the time in co-ops and communes...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'co-ops and communes are not enforced'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'well we are making progression, i have been asking different questiosn and getting good results'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's the point'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they are free will, and they still manage it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means they are not communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it doesn't mean that'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'we have arrived at the point that communism is a man made system, created by marx, and it is implied'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you're trying to assert that'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes."'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you guys don't understand, they are not communism because they're not enforced!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'because communism means it's enforced!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so they cannot be communism!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i think the point here is not to make us see the error of tiger's reasoning, but rather to make the necessary steps to make himself see it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'nah i've realised it's impossible to convince people on the internets'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just amuse yourself and others'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude remembers that movie where alanis morisette played god, and that fallen angel was debating the existence of god and the walrus
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'oooooo u of little faith, perhaps that's why u r not a paladin'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels"'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no fault in my udnerstanding, the fault lies with you'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'my align is -20. I am neutral.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for someone who seems to espouse communism, you don't appear to have read the communist manifesto'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'dogma, vd, pretty good film'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'enlighten me please , where did u find the passage that implies the notion that cocersion is central to communism'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'it is all about philosophy of your 1 self, you think it is right, than it will always be right in your mind.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you for real?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'accept him, he is who he is.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes."'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'well u made an assertation, and i doubt it, and unlike scientific truth we have to go to the labs, but for this all u have to do is point to the tex'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what part of that is optional?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay so is that the statement?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Abolition of all right of inheritance.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'is that the statement?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i thought communism is everybody had equal rights, property is the goverment's.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's accurate provided you replace "equal" with "no"'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'everybody has no rights, so everybody has equal rights.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'are we still talking?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well except the government, so no, it's not equal'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's essentially serfdom'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'a new government, for the people, by the people'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i see i am being ignored :('
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'you told us to let you talk to him tho'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i know u have shown the error of my ways'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'lowain your not being ingnored to be ingnored you need to participate in the converaation, and you have not said a word.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay u guys go ahead'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'other than whine about being ingnored.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'are u being serous?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have much else to say about it, i consider your assertion that communism doesn't require coercion ridiculous, it self evidently requires coercion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i made no such statement, i simply question and doubt you statement'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can keep on thinking you can freely participate in communism, but it'd be an illusion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'prove to me it's an illusion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'u can prove it by showing me the marxist text that implies it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'everything has it's own ups and downs.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'tn'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what happens when a group of people get together'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and say communism is teh bestest'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what's tn'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communist manifestor, section 2 proletarians and communists, demands 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and decide to follow the communist manifesto to the letter'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol u made that up'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'is there coercion?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'lowain, what do you think communism is?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i see we have come to this stage'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'sensible debate, heated exchange, ignore, then to out right lie'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the communist manifesto written by Marx is a lie?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts he's a commie, so it must be'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'our exchange'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'TN has made a reasonable argument and it's now your turn to rebutt it lowain'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'tiger, what do you think your demrocracy is like?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i cannot rebutt a question'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'saying he's lying is not a reasonable argument either :('
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'horrid, sakage, an illusion of choice'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'communism, demrocracy both made to be good for the people. but now, because power corrupts men, life now sucks.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is no perfect solution, and every solution will get corrupted over time, US is a very good example as we can measure very cleanly how badly it has been corrupted because the original template was very fully described and constrained'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'less easy in the UK because it has been convoluted over a much longer period'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts do you think our founding fathers were aware of things like the internet, or homosexual marriage?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your founding fathers were probably not, no'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'our founding fathers didn't even let women vote :P'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'the founding fathers maybe were, cause romans did it, so maybe thay knew through reading the ruins.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i mean homo mariage'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they performed homosexual acts, they didn't perform homosexual marriage'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The founding fathers probably did too.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'you hate them that much?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sakage:  why would that statement denote anything about hate to you?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure what relevence it has, if you have a point, make it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'without my input this chanel has come to a halt'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'nm'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i was simply lagging'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this channel always has fits and starts, just depends if something is brought up when people are here that people want to comment on'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup lowain, you're the rock upon which the foundation of the debate channel rests'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'tell me, how many times have you heard subliminul messages about homo that were good?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gay marriage is a good way to kill debate'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in any given sample of xxx number of people, there are likely to be yyy number which perform homosexual acts'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger why, do gay people debate poorly?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i'm not gay, are you?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's merely truth, nothing hateful about it at all'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just a non-issue, tbh'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'maybe, maybe not'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger is it?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'so you belive the founding fathers were gay?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, vd'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'some countries refuse to recognize gay marriages performed in the us'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Some of them, sure.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so, clearly it's an issue'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I made no such assertion, but bi is different than gay, and there is statistical likelihood that some of them practiced it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'whether those countries are right, or the u.s. is right, who knows'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'imho, it's not for a regime to recognise marriage'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gay or otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what do you guys think is the best way to solve global crises like climate change?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as well as kings of England, emperors of China, and any other'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts so... governments shouldnt recognize any marriage, is your view? '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'they were bi-sexual.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'redryn move to alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'move to a more-stable planet :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Science, redryn.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'oo snap vampire in action'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'alaska isn't a solution, science isn't a point where we can migrate planets yet'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, vd, that is my view'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'have sex less, less humans, less polution.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'redryn alaska is big. it could hold all the people in china, and more'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol 13 billion, it must get crowded'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'china can barely hold all the people in china...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'does alaska have means to provide enough food for the entire world's population?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Hold is one thing, feed and employ is another.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'yup, all of them can only have 1 kid in china'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the regime propaganda machine + celebrity need to make not having more than 2 kids trendy'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'redryn it would if the place globally warmed up. yes'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'add to that allowing the third world to develop would help'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'protectionist policies in small countries will help'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'soooo overnight we'll build the infrastructure to provide food across alaska?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it wouldn't if those people were also living there...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'vd do u agree with tn view?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'redryn :) nice fallacy. '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a particular parcel of land can either provide shelter or can provide sustenance...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'need more land to provide both'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'or we can pray to alya and get our daily blessing from her'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'anyway i just googled land size of alaska'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'and'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'Alaska: Total663,268 sq mi (1,717,854 km2)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: '(and some small islands)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'China: Area  - Total9,706,961 km2[e] (3rd/4th) 3,747,879 sq mi'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise most of alaska is unhabitable or unproductive'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'sooo'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'china is about twice as large as alaska'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'redryn yep, you're right :) i confused alaska and the yukon :)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what is the usable land mass of alaska'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'is your new argument move to yukon?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'wtf is yukon actually  i never heard of it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'lowain we're not worried about usable land mass :) we're worried about usable land mass after 'global warming''
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'oo sorry i wasn't here most of the time'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'redryn it's a big canadian place next to alaska'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yukon is smaller than 500k sq km'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what's your estimation on rising water level?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so it's worse than alaska'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'like 1/3rd size of alaska'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'because that will shrink alaska'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok so i think we've established VD doesn't have a good solution'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't have a good solution to what, redryn?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'how about noah's arc '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'climate change'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'he proposed moving to alaska'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't need a solution'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and/or yukon'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'how about we all bunch of noah's arc'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'actually I think we've established that VD has an average US citizen's understanding of geography ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why so TN'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you just need a vaguely sustainable and (real) pollution free population'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'lowain nah. noah left his son behind to drown'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'is it because climate change is a hoax'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'how do you plan to achieve that'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'or would you argue we can achieve that'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'noah's arc was built to house two of every species lowain.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'because they have no faith'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'just as some of you here have no faith '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'some of us aren't christian.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'mao will save us'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'faith is not exclusive to christians'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'population reduction, change in habits, change in energy production. Best thing to do is the opposite of what is going on, they're trying to solve it by forcing everyone to live under the rule of a global elite whereas in truth it would be better to split into smaller groups and try to be sustainable within those groups'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'anyways back to noah's arc'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'we believe in diffrent things.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'how would you avoid the free rider problem with smaller groups?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'u exterminate them'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'If you are going to quote the bible, at least get facts right. It's not two of every species.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that's not going to be very effective then'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'no tolerance ss policies'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i don't quote the bible.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i would think global action is needed some how'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will never achieve perfection, redryn, you can only have pragmatic solutions'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i disagree, global collaboration is needed, not global action'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i use what limited knowledge of noah's arc i got.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i think that far is clear'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'most world governments do acknowledge by now that there is a problem'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'however they try and get other people to do something about it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'some are not acting, look at indoneasia.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a shame they're trying to solve the wrong problem in the wrong way'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay do u guys know the ricky gervais show?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if you view each country as one of those 'smaller groups' you're pushing for'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is that the show with jon stewart as the host?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'do u guys know karl pilkington'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yes!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'or do you envisage something smaller'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for instance, obsessing over carbon emissions rather than obsessing over sustainability and pollution'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'carl pilkington?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends, redryn'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol funny show'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so you believe that world leaders are just stupid?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'tn u know carl pilkington?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not stupid, misguided'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i believe that the world leaders use the wrong intel.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe the world leaders are a combination of stupid, evil, greedy, powerless, corrupt, owned'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'know of him, lowain'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if we look at current efforts at carbon emissions'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what's to stop pollution and sustainability facing the same issues'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'of no one wanting to do it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but everyone wanting someone else to do it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'fiancial incentives?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The only real solution is to find a sustainable way to generate energy. World leaders cannot do that, only scientists can.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'they can fund.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'And engineers.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'scientists can't even share with one another'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yup. So, what government should do is fund science and then stfu.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'who/which to fund?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or anyone who says he's a scientist'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'the most promising one.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's really the only debatable question, abe.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'most promising according to whom?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'global warming.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'global warming has an opinion? :p'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'lots of crackpots claiming to be on the brink of the next cold fusion in a bottle'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what's teh current debate now?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'now thats news'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'All scientists are crackpots. Some of them are right, though.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'to cain'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and no gnus, is good gnus, with gary gnu'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'well all these arguments are based on the assumption of global consensus'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'however the current system of governance is paralysed'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what are we talking about, some one fill me in please'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'use debate -h'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'all you need is a G.U.T'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'tnx'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'all u need is the noah's arc'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'free riding is a very real problem'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i told u guys'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'sorry, i mean general unified theory'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'u all think that global warming is something that can be stopped'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'who pays/funds stuff? if it's a global fund then everyone will want in on saying who gets the money'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'that's non sense'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'it is inevitable it is the wraith of god'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'which god?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'The most funding for science is done by corporations, not governments.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the pissed off one'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'the one and only'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i think it must be apollo'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'he must be pissed people stopped worshipping him'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'you know how many gods we have forgotton.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'well corporation funding is determined by economics right?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and the government has a fairly big hand in that'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what with tax subsidies and crap'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'where is tiger'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm here'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'how is your name allowed'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i once created an account called manureface'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'and an admin messaged me to chagne my name'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'try lionuts'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'or just mannuts'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sakage shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because shitface is different than a crazy tiger...now if you left off the first "e", you could claim that it's man ur face'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can tell you how much oceans have risen here'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure how relevent or useful criticising my name is'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'it is not, it is just for fun.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i am not criticising it i am envious of your name'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'yeah let's get back to the sea level'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I see sakage and just think of some guy's balls showing'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hasn't risen here at all'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sakage sighs.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'where u live'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'where u live in uk'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eastern england'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'where eastern england'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's near enough :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'really, lowain?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol k'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i was gonna go to his city and shout tiger nuts on the streets'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"exist" might be a better description'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'off swimming, back later'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'cya later aligator'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'cya tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay regarding global warming i think first step towards the solution whould be understanding the cause of global warming'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'any one ?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'cars, factories, and the such.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try "the climate"'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i thought u went ot swim'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'tiger phone water-proof.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'oo cool'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'or are u swimming in your tub'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sheerness is 22cm higher than in 1920, north shields is 22cm higher ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'hello?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i don't follow, tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i think he might be implying it's a natural phenonmena'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'abelinc, what does that mean?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, the world has done this many times before'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'the flucuation in temperature and sea level is all part of a greater wheather cycle'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sakage: it means that he was incorrect in his assertion that the levels haven't risen where he is'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'ok, carry on.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'carry on with what? with my line of inqueries or my guess at what tiger meant'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'or were u talking to abelinc the whole time'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'with the debate.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i talk to all willing to talk.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay so i read some article that described a study done by some geologist'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'these geologist assert that wheather and temperature fluctuation is a natural phoenemena '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'for example the ice age is an extreme example of such'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'the earth go from cold to hot'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'and we are currently in the going to hot stage part of the fluctuation'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'like some geologist says the sahara was once and ocean or somwthing.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, it's well-documented that it has happened repeatedly...the only question is how much of the current trend is natural vs sped up by us'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'my memory of the report is quite hazy it's best to take this as an introduction to the ideas and not actual descritpion of them'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'my memory of the report is quite hazy it's best to take this as an introduction to the ideas and not actual descritpion of them'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i read a scientific paper that linked the behaviour of temperature after 1950 specifically to the prevalence of CFC's in the atmosphere'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'CFC'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'CFC?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 'concensus' that exists is a social concensus, not a scientific one'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the action being taken is not scientific in nature, nor intended to be so. The whole climate change thing, regardless of your views, is being leveraged by some greedy people in power in order to centralise power and wealth for their own ends'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'right right abelinc, but tiger nuts might be stating that he belives it is not sped up'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's about the end of it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'okay, quit the high lvl words, give me something normal can you'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll take it up if you're still here when i get back'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i was simply trying to geuss what tiger meant by his statement " climate"'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'tiger? get back at when?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'hello? is anyone there?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'sup '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'so.......what heck were we talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'well abelinc thinks that our global warming is sped up, and he has studiees to back them up, while tiger on the other hand doen'st believe it is sped up and belive that those studies are fabricated by greedy cooperation'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'that's the current situation'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i believe it is a bit of both'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'the phonenmena that the wheather is getting hotter and the sea level is raising is something that they both agree upon'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'but wheather it is sped up is the question'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'whether it's sped up isn't really important'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'so u think it's both'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'yup.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i know but ti's interesting to know'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the fact is that temperatures are increasing'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'plus it has a psychological effect'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'u know the feeling of responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'the fact that we caused it give an extra incentive to act, not saying that the current incentive is not already big enough'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'responsibility?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'we are responsible for the rising temperature vs the fact that it is part of nature'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'if ya ask me, we being responsible for it rising, is nature.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'do u not think so?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'in a greater sense yes'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'lowain? is it only you and me in this debate?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'in the sense that it is a result of the interaction between our human nature and mother nature'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i think they pop in and out'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'human nature is mother nature.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'mother nature i mean physical nature'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'anyways it's time for solution'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'phisical nature?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'just non physical in general'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'in mean no human sorry'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i mean human nature and non human nature'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'you know, my father once told me the earth was just a dummy bag for aliens, shooting asteroids ands atuff just to see what would happen.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'chould be true u never know'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'yeah.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'do u think he is nuts?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'now what is the solution?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'now what are the solutions?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'well i belive that it's a combination of human effort and scientific invention'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i say that it is too late.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'earth is falling apart, nkthing we can do.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'just a matter of time.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'its no where near too late.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'earth isn't falling apart'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'people will die'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'millions of years before the earth has any problem'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'people will never stop dying tell me something i dont know.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'well first of all u have to think about whether climate change is sudden, or is it slow and predictable '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'hmmmm'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'all signs point to slow'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'seems like it doen'st hit like an earthquake, it takes years to produce effects, but is the onset of effects rapid or is it slow'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'one cant be slow an the other fast in this case'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'it might take years to reach a cirtical point, but will the effect take place fast or slow like it's build up'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'red: whether it's [significantly] sped up is quite important...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'how fast do you predict?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'right,what do u think about the onset of affects?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if our technological revolution didn't speed up or bring about the climate change, then we're not as important as we think, but it also means that we wouldn't be as important in altering the course...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'do u think the effects will take place rapidly or slowly?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'slowly'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay so let's assume slowly'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and if we would not be effectual in altering the course, then our efforts should be toward adapting ourself to the impending change rather than trying to avoid it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'don't know, leave it to the scientist'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'if it's slowly that means people have ample time to relocate'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'it won't be like an earthquake'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'sakage is right'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'relocate only works if there's somewhere to relocate to...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'do you think the different types of radio signals in the air take affect on it?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'how do you adapt to all the radiation'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'or am i wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'live in radiation-blocking enclosures'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'it be impossible for it to be like an earthquake'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay next is the magnitude'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'the sun's heat.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'fuku is gonna be what kills us'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'build houses out of lead'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'is it gonna change our earth to a desert?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'while the climate itself wouldn't be onset like an earthquake, another question though is whether it brings about things like earthquakes, hurricanes, typhoons that we're seeing...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Edicius: 'ahhh'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'not if indoneasia kill us asians first'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i don't think I have seen anything linking earthquakes to climate change...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'if the magnitude is not great, then perhaps we can either relocate or change our farming pratices'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'we can't even imagine what brings about tornadoes, most of it is guesses.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and the plethora of other "natural disasters" that have happened the last 10 years?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'eventhough it's slow, is it slow enough to accomdate scientific progress?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'maybe, but lowain, we then need to predict where the disasters are going to hit.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: '?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'didn't we assume it's a slow accumulative process?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'or are u talking about the tornados caused by global warming'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'we did, but when it does hit, don't you think it will be a big disaster.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'if it's a accumulative process then we are getting hit in small doses all the time'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'small doses still cause damage'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, it's only a small dose when you're not the one hit ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay waht are u talking about are u talking about change in temperature and sea level rising?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'the small doses we are talking about are natural disasters are the size of a town, if you taking global scale.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'those 2 changes in themselves don't hurt anything except real estate prices'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'yeah in themselves'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'except taken to extreme situations it can cause our extinction'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'can we talk about aftermath, we are looking for a way to survive, right?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'so it seems that the likely result of globam warming whould be destruction of our coastal cities, changing of our farming praticeis, and relocation of population'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'so the ait would be unbreathable, radiation and the stuff, how do we survive?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'sorry, *air'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i am not sure about radiation and stuff'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'are we talking about global warming?  what is the discussion with radiation?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we have the technology today to handle radiation and air purification'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'ask some one else about radiation'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'ozon layer.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i don't think radiation whould be the main issue'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'remember that the space stations don't have an ozone layer'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'we have an ozone layer, and by banning things like cfc's we can keep it, global warming won't remove the ozone layer.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'nor tornados'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'meh.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'cfc just traps more heat'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'malkar: a question is whether removal of the ozone layer is the cause for global warming...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'so CFCs make it cheaper to heat our homes, we are doing ourselves a big favour.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'too hot and you fry.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'too cold and you freeze.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'perf'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we are such fragile creatures ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'sorry.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'we are a fragile species'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk at his saying.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'how have we survived so long?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i copied u'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ok, I don't think ozone depletion causes global warming I think its C02'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we haven't survived long'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'that is my god gave us brains.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'uh huh'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'that is why god gave us brains.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what did I miss'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'sorry, keep giving typos.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'you missed global warming'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'to bring self destruction upon our selves'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Evolution created brains, not god.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'true, but brains gave ua gods.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'god created evolution'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'hmm interesting what evidence do you hae'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'true, but brains gave us gods.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Yes, just as all made up creatures come from the human brain.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'u missed politics (communism) homosexuality environment (global warming) and now religion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'I think god gave us conciousness but evolution gave us brains'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sakage: you can safely ignore most typos, or just correct the word by using *newword, or by using +letters :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'thanks abe.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'so what's the current topic'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'religion or global warming'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'both.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i think its religion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how about the religion of global warming?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'religional warming'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'that's a religion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'so the effects of global warmings are considered, and the cause is also considered, now onto the solution'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'the warming up of religion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'create a new ozone layer'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'we still have an ozone layer.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'solution? there is a solution?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'not for long'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'attempted'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the solution depends on the cause...if we caused it, we try to stop it...if it's cyclical/natural, we try to live with it :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'how are ozones even made?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'move to mars?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'right now, mars could sustain about a dozen people :P'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Moonpies (
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'as always the best solution is to ignore the whole thing. like my dirty oven. i ignored it for 3 days and today it was clean again:)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'magic'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol did u buy a new one'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'floormates:)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'was it elves?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'lucky you.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, and now we're back to the "try to get other people to solve it" solution'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ozone is produced by free oxygen combining with diatomic oxygen molecules.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'lightning'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'oh'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'however the root causes are generally NOx and VOCs'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'right so create more ozone '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: '?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'isn't ozone about radiation'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'ozone can't prevent global warming'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what are the main contribution to nx and vocs'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'get everybody to gym's. make them work out good. attach dynamos to those machines. problem solved, people look healthier too'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'radiation is where the heat comes from...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'isn't ozone about UV'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'it can stall it'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ozone is a greenhouse gas.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'no it isnt'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'it is?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'ozone traps the radiation'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'helps'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'holes in the ozone.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'it is a natural occurance that shields us from the suns radiation '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'yup.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'UV radiation and heat are different problems btw'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'now it is back to cause and effect.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'but it also traps radiation that bounces off the surface of earth'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'one gives you skin cancer'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the other kills penguins'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ozone isn't the primary greenhouse gas, people mostly care about ozone because if blocks UV radiation.  The ozone problem has been knocked out of the news becuase of the CFC bans that have slowed the problem, I don't know if we have slightly more or less ozone than before. Wikipedia says the ozone hole in 2012 was the smallest since 2002.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'not the penguins!!!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'actually I would say most people care about ozone because it is unhealthy to breathe and causes visibility issue (i.e. smog).'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'most gases are unhealthy to breathe.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'but it is high up in the atmosphere so who cares'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'the trick is to not breathe it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the ozone layer is high up in the air...ozone exists down low as well, as a result of pollution...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'tropospheric ozone is the single biggest pollution health issue in the world today.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'some people care about it cos it keeps your water clean!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'um okay'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ozone up high = good...ozone down below = bad'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'it keeps your water clean?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I thought that was fluoride!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You run away in terror and horror!
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_purification'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'oh that makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'the problem is that we want to solve the problem by maintaining a certain lifestyle'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'clorine'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_purification#Ozone_disinfection'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ozone kills everything including bacteria and viruses pretty well'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'we think that we can just maintain the way things are without sacrifice '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'wrong'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'everything needs sacrifice.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'wrong'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not necessarily.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one of my favorites: http://xkcd.com/903/'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'no matter how small, everything has sacrifice.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'interesting'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'xkcd is so true :p'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'wrong'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, moonpie's got this debate thing down pat now...say "wrong" every minute or so :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'sacrafice is not a requirment it is a choice'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'really?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'only said it twice'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'whether everything requires sacrifice depends heavily on your definition of sacrifice'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'but don't do it so explicitly'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if I do something that I enjoy, it's not sacrifice'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'my sacrifice means any loss no matter how small.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what is loss?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'are we doin philosophy now?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'is playing basketball a sacrifice?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'I keep getting disconnected'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'depend on what you call a loss.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'no since everymovement, every thought requires energy, seems that u loose energy everything u do something'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'what do you define as a loss'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'ie if u define loss as tranfering energy from you to the ball'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'wa'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'hard to explain in terms i can say.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'then if that's part of your defintion of loss, then it seems everything we do requires sacrifice'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'i thought sakage meant some sort of emotional loss'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'my english is not that good'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'sakage is a word from a book.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'right so it requires clarification when you make such a huge statment like that'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'so what do you define as a lost lowain?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'in what context?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'any.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'in any context'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i am not the one saying Everything requires sacrifice'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'That's called entropy.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'okm'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Moonpies: 'gtg nice debating with you guys'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay if we all stop using cars all factories shut down will that stop global warming?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'cya'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i define a loss as something that is bad for you whether in health, theology or religiously.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'no matter how small.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'is that loss = to that defintion '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'then by that definition, your statement that everything requires sacrifice is patently false'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Sakage shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'riding a bicycle to work rather than a car isn't bad for me in health, theology or religion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'no matter hoe small.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it isn't bad for me in any of those things even infinitessimally'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'so u r saying it is bad in small amounts?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's bad for time spent!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's good for my health, not bad...I'm pretty sure it's not against any of me theologies or religions'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'oooooooo'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'is time spent under health or relgion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'time wasting is like a religion to me'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's only bad for time spent if you consider it to be time spent badly'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'sweat is still considered. losing too much water is bad for your health. waste of time. and very dangerous. and a am a jerk and an aashole. i know.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'sweat is still considered. losing too much water is bad for your health. waste of time. and very dangerous. and a i am a jerk and an aashole. i know.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'or u can go with an objective defintion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'from the perspective of fastest way to work'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sweating is good for you, not bad...it's not a waste of time, and it's no more dangerous'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol jerk '
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sacrifice is a poor word choice for discussing economic issues. It is loaded with semantic connotations.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'right, that's why we got him to define it more precisly'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'true, tell me is sweating a lot good for you.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i think the right argument is 'there's no such thing as a free lunch''
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'he defined it as loss however small of health or religion'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'umm, that's why they have saunas...'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'let us do this, i am a jerk, all my views are wrong, all your views are wrong, you are who you are. i am who i am.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'plus i think counter argument towards his assertion doen'st require us to look for example that concern his actions'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'since he said "everything"'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'everything need not only includes his own actions'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'im going to go take a nap now'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'sleep tight'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'how about an atom hitting another atom in a distance galaxy'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'or in a parellel universe'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'or are u going to talk about the butterfly effect'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i dont think anyone is listening, lowain'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i am talking to u'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'true.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i am too young to know anything anyway.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'lol don't say that'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'at least u are better than those who think they know'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'how old r u?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: '12, you?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'woo'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i am 25'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'where u live'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'asia'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'which country in asia'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'singapore?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'should i be telling you, stranger danger.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i guess singapore or malaysia'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'correct.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'cause u were saying indonesian problem'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'how did you know?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'ahhh'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'u said indonesian problem'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'and there are alot of ppl from singapore'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'i am not from singapore. so you can guess'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'if some one is from china their first cocner won't be indonesian problem'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i am not gonna stalk u'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'you never know.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i am from canada'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'land of yukon'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'yukon?'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'yeah yukon'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'cool.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'added you to my friend list.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'okay'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'i add u to my friend list'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'get a room!'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'how do i chat with friends'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'type ft with (whatever)'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'back to debating'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'what's teh command'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'teh? what the hell is that.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's misspelled "the"'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'thanks abe! help friends, you will figure it out.'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'boggle'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news is pretty quiet today'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you probably ought to watch this, though it won't surprise likeminded hatters: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NysNhGUe9B0'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wow, one dead and several missing after flash floods in teh Saudi Arabia capital, Riyadh'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the US intelligence services are preventing the official judicial inquest into the 2nd gulf war from reporting because it thinks communications between Tony Blair and George Bush being published would be a security threat'
T3/r7/2013-11-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'hi'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'signs are the democrat party is starting to crack'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGO8CWDOV0w&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US fair taxation act, aimed at taxing online sales with have the effect of requiring you produce ID every time you buy anything at any physical store anywhere in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I don't need one to vote, right?'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, requiring an ID to vote would be unconstitutional, according to Barry Soetero'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'ohh'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I was told that voter id was unfair to poor people, because they can't get ids, I guess'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so now we're going to prevent them from shopping?'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, if they can't get ids to vote, how can they get ids to buy food?'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Razkin, TN is listening to lunatic right talking points again. No suck act is being actually contemplated, that is just buzz for the sycophants'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Noise'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'as long as I can vote without prooving who I am, we're all good'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the alternative is to provide free voting-id for those poor that are unable to afford to pay for the id -- surely the police mug shots with fingerprints are sufficirnt :D'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in all seriousness, I'm all for providing free ids'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but I was told that wouldn't solve the problem, because they wouldn't be able to go get them'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Zade, why not voting cards automatically made when you get SS Card, with address encode so you can vote from anywhere?'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'set up voting booths at the police stations'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'The answer is the conservative dont WANT everyone to vote. They would always lose'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'simple'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'meh, I think that's taking it a bit far, that's like me sitting here claiming that Democrats want everyone to vote, whether or not they're citizens'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'Yes because if everyone voted, the number of uneducated voters would increase by a lot'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'so any excuse to stop it is a good excusse'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'So Nonsense?'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'and uneducated voters = bad for conservatives'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Uneducated have exactly the same right to vote as you'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I agree, and there should be more of an effort to get everyone to vote'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'Did I say otherwise?  I was saying that conseravtives don't want them to vote'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'why not have policy that includes them, then they will vote for you''
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Conservatives hate everyone not them, so naturally they have to lie and decieve to get elected'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'Uneducated voters are the reason that the democratic system we have today isn't working.  When the system started almost everyone that voted was educated about the candidates because all they had to do all day was read and talk about them.  Today most people almost never educate themselves about the candidates'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I think the states are probably more adverse to making voting more accessable to everyone than either party is'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'understanding this ist difficult, even for uneducated'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'Umm.. liberals are the ones that call everyone not liberal a "racist" or some other nonsense... not the other way around'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: '*snort*'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'the problem that I always have with people making blanket statements about one political stance vs. another is that you can usually make the same statements about the opposing party'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Nope, false equivalance'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it's like watching toddlers having an argument, they each accuse the other, but forget that they're guilty of many of the same transgressions'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I hear, but I know better'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'The party system is a joke... we need to do away with it entirely and have everyone campaign based on their policies... strange concept'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so term limits?'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Nice idea, till the person lies about what their policy will be'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'with parties, you can track pretty well'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'That's what impeachment is for'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'The party system turns into a bloods vs crypts bunch of BS.  nobody listens to what the other side has to say based solely on their party representation'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'LOL, impeachment. Never a more political animal than that. Notice libs have never impeached anyone, only cons'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'So... not holding people responsible for their lies is a good thing?'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'They even talk about it today, with no charges even viable, just he's black and they cant swallow their gall that he beat them twice'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'E.G. "Everyone can keep their health care plan if they wish"  Meanwhile millions are being kicked off of their plans... that's the biggest lie since watergate.'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in what years did the voters became more and more uneducated: when they permitted the coloreds to vote and sit at the front of the bus, when aspartame was introduced, when digital music mostly eliminated analog music, when disco music became popular, when rap music flooded the music scene, when mp3s became standard music format, when (insert peeve here)'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: '*yawn*'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'Thank you for proving my point :)'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Every single plan that was grandfatered was eligible, just as he said. Problem was, insurers hurried to minimize liability with crap plans AFTER the passage of ACA'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when Ronald Reagan deregulated the S&L protections, and Republicans learned that getting rich was possible from the ruin of hardworking USAmericans'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'You understand grandfathering?'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'you listen to too many talking points, obviously'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when Fox news became Faux news'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Immeadiately after inception by Murdock Zade'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'FYI'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'hrm, was trying to figure out everyone that has been impeached, 2 Democrats, 1 Republican (well, it was Nixon, and he resigned before impeachment, but still)'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'my nephew got onto ACA in KY. He never had plan before and for $211/mo got high lvl plan. Somehow Fox never notices these, do they?'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and from what I can tell, all of them were deserved'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'sorry, I now I dropped out, and you've moved on a bit, but was checking that out'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'err, know tha tis'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Nixon was not impeached, and Repubs were gonna do it so he resigned. Clinton was impeached for sex and because repubs hated him, and even the Senate Repubs were ashamed of that'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'right, but my point would be that, at least in Nixon's case, libs were on that boat too, and it was obviously deserved'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Clinton's impeachment was a mess, I won't say undeserved, but it probably should have never gotten to that point'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how old is your nephew?'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'He committed actual crimes Razkin, and they never had to impeach, since he saw that even his own party had to admit they were REAL CRIMES and iwould impeach. Clinton had a legal sex encounter with ML and NO crimes at all'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Bill Clinton was a great president -- Surplus!'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'before ACA, health insurance for university goers was $90 a month'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN, he is 43 with 2 children at home .... covered'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, Clinton's impeachment stemmed from him lying about it and from the obstruction of justice'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subsidised?'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is an "Uncle Tom" beholding to the rich white "massers"'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'No, he makes just enough not to be'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll be winners and losers'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'or to be more exact, he and his wife earn too much'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the overwhelming majority so far have lost'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing i'd say is that it wasn't necessary, could have had a government provided health insurance cheap, even subsidised without the mandatory elements and the fu ckups'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'we pay 100 dollars more a month, but we didn't lose anything, well, escept the 100 dollars a month'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN, please check out results in KY. You will see what ACA is meant to be. Will there be losers. Perhaps, though most who lose their 'private' plans will come to be glad'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'man, I can not type today'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't help you there, i'm not american, i don't have health insurance, it costs me $500 a month for which i don't get treated, but might get critical care in the event of an accident'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN, 'government' is NOT providing HC in ACA. They are setting up true capitalistic exchanges with bidding between many private insurers, driving down the costs'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ACA will be judged by the proportion of income spent on healthcare, and the profits of the insurance companies'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'who's costs are going down?  I'm paying 100 dollars more a month'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it ain't a good thing to argue on because there is no good answer to healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'on that we finally agree TN'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'the real cost of medicine is the cost of procedures, which is WAY too high and hard to control. Of course, people will pay whatever to live, so they can price gouge unlimited, and they do'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's both procedures and medicine'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people get gouged however you run it'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only difference with socialised healthcare you just get care metered on cost rather than clinical need'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I ended up in the hospital a year ago for a kidney stone, I got a ct scan and some pain meds.  It cost 7000 dollars'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'and if a government tried to crack down and set lower prices, the physicians would just move elsewhere. People will alway pay if they can to stay alive'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'now, we have pretty decent insurance, so it didn't cost me overly much, but still, the price of it just floored me'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you wouldn't have got charged 7000 dollars here, razkin, but it would have taken 18 weeks'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I passed the stone in that amount of time :D'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the idea'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'trust me, I remember'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: '*ouch*'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but the scan itself was like 4000 dollars'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole idea of socialised medicine is that you kick the can down the road until the patient is better or died'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's written into the NHS charter'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'it just seems to me that if you want to make healthcare affordable, there might be other avenues that should be investigate, cost being one of them'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only way you can do it is set up government provision of the services at low cost and have it compete'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I was reading about, I think it was the netherlands, where women who were getting breast surgery (for mastectomies, not just boob jobs), their follow ups could take as long as three years after the initial procedure'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so if they were in pain, or needed any form of follow up, it could take as long as three years for them to get into the doctor'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in the U.S., it was two weeks'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, it's the flipside of socialised healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and again, it wasn't cosmetic surgery'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i believe you, Razkin, Whig probably won't'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'll admit, I haven't investigated the topic as much as I should have, but it seems to me that socialized health care also suppresses medical innovation'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'most places that have it have approved medicines and procedures, and forgo anything that might be new'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it won't pay for it'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'Here's some information about wait times across multiple countries: http://www.ehcca.com/presentations/qualitycolloquium4/schoen_1_h1.pdf'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'See exhibit 6.'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not intentional suppression, it's because new medication is expensive'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'so peopel fighting rare forms of cancer, etc, seem to have harder times getting non-conventional treatment because it isn't on the approved lists'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the trouble with waiting list targets and statistics is that they are manpiluated'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for instance, they manipulate UK figures by not giving you an appointment until the waiting list is below 18 weeks'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the waiting time is always less than 18 weeks'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'll have to look over that pdf Craigath. It's not exactly a quick read :D'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'Yes, not particularly.'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'not truly related to the topic, but one thing that just caught my eye was that american's are more likely to simply forego treatment'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'now I want to read it, but I think I have to prepare myself before I wade into it'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'The data tends to show that yes, one waits longer in the UK for elective procedures, in fact, even up to the 18 weeks that was previously mentioned. However, it's not a factor of socialized medicine.'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an inevitable result of socialized  medicine'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'this article: http://78.41.128.130/dataoecd/15/52/35028282.pdf shows mean wait times for elective procedures across OECD countries (not the US). One can see that many countries with "socialized" medicine have very little wait times even for elective procedures.'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'I suppose, that is, unless your expected wait time for a hip replacement should be zero days, which sounds a bit preposterous to me. But I admit someone could expect such a result.'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bottom line is money and control'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'then i want money'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't get either'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'so par for the corse'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't expect wait times to be zero, especially for elective procedures'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I mean, it takes me 2 weeks usually to see my doctor'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be wary of 'fast' elective procedures where the patients are used as practice human guinea-pigs -- (when safer alternatives are available)'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but you would like elective procedures to be done at all, razkin'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but when I have an emergency, they usually get me in that day, though sometimes I have to see a different doctor'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but still'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I don't disagree, but when the safer alternatives have been tried or ruled out, other avenues shouldn't be simply closed'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Craigath, i will read those, but I'm just not going to do it right now :)'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'Certainly.'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you also have issues with zipcode lotteries, non-covered conditions, ill-covered conditions, etc etc'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'endless beurocracy, rubbish staff'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all avoidable in a private insurance health system'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mt. Craigath: 'Ill-covered conditions and non-covered conditions don't occur in the private health insurance market? Is this what you're saying?'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do if you can't afford to pay for them'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but at least it's a chance'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for a socialised health system to work it needs to be decentralised, not be restrictive in what things it will treat, and not give care metered on cost'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not how it works here, and it's a really tall ask'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i like the idea of a health savings account, like a pension'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'following recent changes proposed to allow women bishops, the Church of England will assert Jesus as being female from March 2014'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'jesus was created by the romans in the fourth century CE'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jesus was created by George Bernard Shaw in 1964'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'based loosely on a maiden Uncle he had'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some of the things i've mentioned about the church may be inaccurate'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i got the information from MSNBC'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless there is credible news-link that verifies that "the Church of England will assert Jesus as being female from March 2014", anything stated by Tigernuts on channels is not to be believed'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it doesn't matter since jesus did not exist.'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'so she could be female then.'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm, with that flawed logic, you are kaput'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whether or not Jesus existed or not, lies on debate (about the "Church of England") are disreputable'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'true dirt: okay.  lies: not okay.'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(but then, a country afflicted by too many liars gets the socialised healthcare they deserve - the euthanising inadequate kind, since corruption and incompetence abounds amidst liars and lies)'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'so jesus is femail!'
T3/r7/2013-11-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'female...'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lowain: 'sup'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p3KlrfjcjV4'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'educate yourself'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'undermax < stdmax < overmax < absomax < ubermax or ultramax  (unsure which is more superior sounding)'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as Humpty-Dumpty said to Alice: "Words mean what i pay them to mean."'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when i solidify, anything with less than +6dr added is junked  (but a +4Wis +4Lck 5dr or +3Lck +2Stat 5dr is permitted to temporarily live)'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'Karl Urban, Michael Ealy, Minka Kelly - thes are starring in "almost human". episode 1. Now, did they change their names for that show? '
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and Lili Taylor'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what is the (scifi) premise of "almost human", if any'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'something about moral'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'all the computers make sounds when drawing something'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some may say that "almost human" is almost worth watching -- about morals?! - ych - (tvshows glorifying psychpathic sociopaths are not worth watching)'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the tv-ads to "almost human" were obscure'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'must prescreen dubious tvshows to avoid being nauseated -- maybe wikipedia may indicate what "almost human" is about'
T3/r7/2013-11-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'morals, yes. when a person is pissed and that happens to be worthy for a tv-show, it's moral stuff. no art, no philosophy. just that, almost human after 10 minutes: "i have no left leg.. or right whatever, robots sucks, we're better than robots, androids. or something" kill kill kill, bang bang bang. '
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'I heard that we have the technology to build rainbow lasers, but the government is suppressing it because it holds the key to solving quantum encryption.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'The US army wants the ability to send soldiers in to invade private, Afghan homes without a warrant and to detain the people inside w/o probable cause or the right of habeus corpus, and the Afghan President is willing to agree to this for an apology from President Obama, which he refuses to give. What the hell is wrong with these people...'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'willing to agree to this *in exchange for* an apology'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'it's an improvement over the Bush administration'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'There are varying considerations in Obama's decision here. I'm talking about the Afghan president's decision that he would subject his people to a foreign army invading their private homes in exchange for an apology'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's absolutely bonkers that his decision would hinge on that'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the Afghan "president" is a puppet'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'well whomever is pulling the strings is evil'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'Who is most evil, the invading force or the afgan president?'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Martin Luterh King Jr. Way will be monitorred 24hrs a day by surveillance cameras, gunshot detectors, and licenseplate readers in Oakland after a new $10.9m federally funded spy hub'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA! USA!'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Father is arrested for trying to pick kids up from school. Canadian mom fined $10 for not including Ritz crackers in kids' school lunch'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in Texas, state police are pulling over drivers at random demaning breath, saliva and blood samples'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'police state ftw'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meanwhile, EU central banks are considering a negative interest rate'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they haven't fully transferred the wealth from the public to the bankers yet'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is trolling -- Ritz crackers are unhealthy'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems that Tigernuts is trolling lies (and inflammatory smears against authority) these days (in pursuant of a previously Tigernuts stated opinion on debate that: "lies dishonesty deception are okay-when following a political agenda" (loosely paraphrased))'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what am i lying about this time, Zade, and where's your proof?'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.weightymatters.ca/2013/11/parents-fined-for-not-sending-ritz.html'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigeenuts, without credible links supporting those outragious inflammatory news-items, what you posted seem like blatant lies designed to cause (unfounded) anger and then indigestion in the audience'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://rt.com/usa/texas-drivers-saliva-blood-breath-990/'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://tinyurl.com/ldlrvh2'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and a few days ago. Tigernuts, that "Church of England" dubious news=item (of Jesus to be delared a female in 2014), was followed by a belated disclaimer (instead of preceding the ludicrous news-item) '
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'satire, zade'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try again tomorrow'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eventually something might stick, or you might trip over something to say'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if somebosdy is going to post nonsense or what somebody else posted and was nonsense, forewarn the audience with a disclaimer before posting the nonsense  (too late posting the disclaimer after posting the nonsense or satire - the credibility of the nonsense poster is long gone)'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when  first watched "Married with Children",  was outraged by the criminal lack of ethics by the Bundy household -- so  rejected the tvshow -- months later, when a few more episodes were watched,  realised the horrid ethics were part of the sitcom premise, and forewarned with this, was able to watch the tvseries (though the urge to curse those responsible did re-occur, even though the tvshow was obviously fiction_)'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'these days Ed O'neil is a horrid-looking decrepid old man, the Bud Bundy actor is yet stunted in growth, Christina Applegate is no longer that pretty -- maybe there is a karmic justice that strikes actors that portray bad characters (even in a fictional tvsitcom)'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what you're saying is you can't tell the difference between satire and reality'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and when you're unsure, rather than asking, you point fingers and call people names'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the boy that cried "wolf" - and then later said "but that was satire."'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's ok, we'll all put training pants on this channel just for you so as you don't get confused'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'Wait I'm confused...'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'Training pants?  or Training wheels?'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'training bras! All around!'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'Training Day?  Greeeaaattt movie'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I enjoy training by having sex with whores. Is this bad?'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not for the whores, it's their living'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'this one time, in fable, to get the pimp hat, I had my character sleep with everyone in the darkwood bordello even though I only needed ten total to open the demon door.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'er... excuse me, I meant that I had my character sleep with everyone ten times.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I wish that there had been a cane to go with it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i sense a teenager in the midst'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'What, where? Maybe I should stop before I give them bad ideas.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'On to a more serious topic, though slightly less funny, but definately more important. What is with the 'muricans shutting down their government? Is this still going on, and if so, will it cause them to massively riot?'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'wait, gotta go, friend of mine just arrived, and we shall have coffee and smokes.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'die soon from cancer you advertising pollutor'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'I would willingly, if I contracted cancer. Wouldn't wish to suffer through all of that pain, misery, and drama. Goodbye.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good luck, and thanks for the co2 - plants need it'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: '^_^'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting note that the last super-typhoon to hit the Phillipines in 1970 was blamed on global cooling'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'they where wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most accurate thing to say is to blame the typhoon on the weather'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the price of art is rocketing as the super-elite try to find things to spend their huge vats of fast devaluing cash on in order to try and protect it's value'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/20/epic-fail-un-climate-talks-fall-apart-as-132-countries-storm-out/'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'maybe they were unable to to tell the difference between satire, conjecture, science, and the actual facts'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UN cannot, you're quite right, that's how they get hoodwinked by corporatist propaganda so easily'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is that the skyrocketing price of old established art or the scam price of the new modern crap art'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mostly new art'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bacon, Warhol'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(tech) there is (likely) going to be price-collusion in the Insurance rates charged by allegedly-compeeting insurance-providers - captive market'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juictice: 'can anyone remember the last time a president outright lied to people?'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'each one has since 1963'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juictice: '"if you like your plan, you can keep your plan.  Period."  same with doctors'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as if they didn't lie before '63?'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i will not raise taxes, read my lips'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'how can you tell if the president is lying?'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juictice: 'no, I mean really.  I don't count clinton's sex shit'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably, abe'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'his lips are moving'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iraqi WMD'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'he said "no new taxes", not "I will not raise taxes"...'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juictice: 'tigernuts - that was compromised through negotiations iwth the house dems'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juictice: 'obama lied about a law that was already passed'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not his only lie, but go on'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juictice: 'I don't count politicians laying out a position, then compromising, as a lie'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juictice: 'gtg gnight'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'alright, had my coffee, cigarettes, and guinea piggeh time. Now. What are the 'Muricans thinking, shutting down their government? I'm surprised they would let such a thing happen before just impeaching their president. And that only after riots occured or a scandal was discovered.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'after all, which is more important, a mans status, or the fate of the country?'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juictice: 'aight, back.  nobody knows of another presidential lie that wasn't about irrelevant personal stuff, or just a negotiating position?'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'gay people are wrong.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'it's not how you making babies.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Solipse: 'neither is BJs, but I don't want those to stop either'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Senator Starbug laughs at Solipse mercilessly.
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'neither is trolling a MUD, but people do it anyways, even if it does not produce babies.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'Gay people have to rape to make babies.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'They should be denied babies because they're gay.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'actually, I have a point against that, if they were gay, who would they fuck to make babies with anyways?'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'a test tube probably'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'awww, you poor thing, no wonder you have a nasty demeanor, you weren't concieved, you are a test tube baby.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Solipse: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'what else can we debate'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'God isn't real, but I'm not about to prove it.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'maybe the protests at the saudi embassy in d.c.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Blade Lord Kizactrin: 'VD- what are they protesting? I haven't seen the news in ages.'
T3/r7/2013-11-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Kanashii: 'nothing apparently'
T3/r7/2013-11-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone else fed up with JFK programs yet?'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'JFK called from the afterlife, he wanted to tell the establishment to fuck off and stop disrespecting his memory'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that lie was disrespectful, Tigernuts '
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'disrespectful is making a huge media presentation to cover the fact that the establishment had him killed'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since when did Tigernuts become a "Catholic", allegedly concerned or feigning concern as to what happened to JFK (while attempting to put foul words into the mouth of JFK -- "icing on the cake" of alleged media disrespect, which Tigernuts seems to be also supplying)'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'catholicism has nothing to do with it'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to say on JFK?'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '1963 was fifty years ago - perhaps somebody is celebrating an aniversary'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wonder if he'd have been dead by now if he hadn't been shot, his family seem quite long lived other than being shot at by LBJ's hired goons'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aizma: 'He'd be almost 100'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'LBJ was scared - likely was not directly involved'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '96'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he has 2 remaining living siblings'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was mob hit, with a lot of cooperation from those in authority (and likely on the mob payroll)'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are lots of theories, the only thing that is official is that there was a CIA cover up'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means we'll never know for sure, since practically everyone involved is now dead'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(and if they were not on the mob payroll, they were grateful)'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the most recent conspiracy to be covered up is Iraq war, which the US government have now suppressed the official enquiry in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts claps half-heartedly, clearly unimpressed.
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'interesting, "the CIA working with the mob" theory'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those conversations were either:  confessing to a felony, conspiring to commit a felony, or simply an indication of how senile incompetent and uninformed those two were, or contained diatribes and insults against others, or .. (insert conjectures here) .. '
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(maybe all of the above)'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the danger to "security" may be that other world leaders and the peoples of the world shall be given proof that justifies their disrespect the USA and British leaders'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hence the Egyptian puppet requesting an apology from Barack Obama for crimes against humanity'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but on the other side of the perspective, the terrorist muslims were a major threat, so what if the USA and British took a few liberties and commited several crimes against humanity '
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"when the going gets dirty, the dirty get going"'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(comnitted)'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Winston Churchill - there was a war criminal  '
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Britain declared war against Germany because of the Nazi invasion of Poland, -- but at the end of WWII, Britain failed to tell the Soviets to get out of Poland -- and that stage Britain was guilty of starting WWII on a bogus premise.  Britain was effectively stating that the Soviets may invade and keep Poland, but not the Nazis'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the nonsoviet allies did not insist that the Soviets retreat back to the old borders of the Soviet union, the reason was that the nonSoviet allies were extremely racist against those countries that the Soviets occupied (since they knew that Stalin was a murderous butcher, and that the communist Soviets were extremely corrupt and incompetent.)'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'How is Loraine any different?'
T3/r7/2013-11-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Loraine was last on : Sat Jul 29 06:31:29 2006'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'astronomy is useless'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yeah. you can feed a continent with the money that goes into this.. '
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but the astronomy has taught us alot about life and where we come from. It also reminds us about how big the world is. Or how small earth is. It's fascinating. No, it's not useless :)'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a few telescopes and a sane education system would have handled that nicely. now its ridiculous'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'one must always consider cost vs benefit. Just keep in mind that the benefit isn't = 0.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its all pretty pictures now.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'relatively, it's very near zero'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'astronomy is a leaching science. it only uses the research results of these other branches'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'from a scientific point of view it's huge.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'astronomy is the most important thing that the government does period.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'from a scientific point of view it's not huge'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"scientific point of view" is not benefit...'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'depends on how much you value the results of that particular science.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we're talking about benefit'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'exactly. the results are "interesting". nothing more'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as you brought up'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: '"knowing stuff" isn't benefit'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it's difficult to measure the value of knowledge'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'therein lies the difference between theoretical physics and engineering'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the benefit is eventually getting humanity off this planet so we don't all die from one statistical event'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it's not difficult at all'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'astronomy doesn't really help with getting us off the planet'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course it does'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'aeronautics is not astronomy'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'transfer humanity from this planet into Hell -- but no need to wait, this planet is Hell!'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it may provide incentive, but it in no way helps to accomplish it'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'astrophysics is a subset of astronomy'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'without astrophysics we never would have gone into space at all'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'everything we've needed to know from astrophysics we knew in newton's time'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what I mean is that the effort we put into astronomy now might or might not pay off later.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as far as getting us off the planet is concerned'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'me playing the lottery might pay off later too'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and how will we choose where to send the colony ships without modern astronomy advances?'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'there are many examples of research projects that seemed pointless at some point in history. However, several of them they found important applications later.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'modern astronomy advances haven't helped with that, emm'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'this prison planet is quaranteened (by the vast expanse of outerspace) -- you are not escaping - you mistreat this planet, you die! (if you are lucky), more likely you languish on a horrid dying planet'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'until we can create and control wormholes, "where we go when we get off" isn't all that hard to choose from'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'astronomy isn't all about getting off the planet. It's also about evaluating our models of physics.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'after a few hundred years the whole thing that has been accomplished right now, it could cost 1000 times less'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'or math'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why do you say that abelinc? The recent spectroscopic methods for determining exosolar planets existence and now even atmospheric compisitions haven't helped?'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no emm, they haven't helped'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'okay you are just trolling now.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not at all'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you equate knowledge with actionable knowledge...they're not the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as Moriarty said of Nellie Seagoon: "silly twisted fools" '
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so how do you propose to determine where to send colony ships without using modern astronomy?'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'use non-modern astronomy'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'modern astronomy isn't concerned with where we can send colony ships'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you cannot send any ships to anywhere.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's concerned with where we cannot reach'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think astronomy is a lot broader than you think abe'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so you suggest sending a few humans to certain cold death while the billions er millions remaining die a hot death -- interesting'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not really, emm, I'm not disagreeing on its breadth'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I think that verifying our theories are reasons enough to still observe the world around us.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'merely on its applicability'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some scientists suggested moving the planet earth to an orbit further out (as the Sun gets bigger and hotter)'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I suggest that we should be doing everything we reasonably can to promote extraplanetary and eventually extrasolar colonization'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I do not suggest that we are ready to begin building and launching colony ships today'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but in the long run colonization is critical, we need to become a type 1 civilization.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mhmh. you send 10000000 people to the next green planet. after 10k years they arrive, and everyone will have a brain damage.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the human race is a failure -- perhaps suggest euthanisation (instead of spreading the disease)'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the human race is the greatest success that we know of ever anywhere'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Zade, you can begin with yourself to set the example ;)'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'I'll be right after, I... eerrr... "promise" :)'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the human race is the only anything that we know of ever anywhere...'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we'll all go there eventually. What's the hurry?'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'http://xkcd.com/1074/ :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'dinosaurs thought they were the greatest'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that be a big space armada, to carry 10,000,000 humans to a potluck planet thousands of years distant -- sounds like sci-fi'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'walking in your footsteps, great tune :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'back to the benefit discussion, we can't possibly know the benefit of our efforts spent on astronomy will yield in the future. It could be close to zero as mentioned, it could also be something completely different. It's not necessarilly about life and death, but perhaps about understanding our models of the world. Enhancing/confirming these models could provide huge benefits.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'quantum physics was laughed at not very long ago'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i know the benefit of this conversation is rapidly approaching zero, at least for me.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): I Sense Nonsense rapidly nods twice at Emm, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I was at a seminar where Murray Gell-mann a few years ago where he explained what he went through when he published his discoveries.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'did you expect something different on this channel, emm?'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'with*'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Quantum Computer physics seems like a disguised Gods-in-the-Quantum-particlesphysics'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'It's not that the cleanliness of houses of knowledge is a complete necessity.  However it is condusive to the learning process.  Cleanliness is next to godliness is a quote that comes to mind.  The removal of cleanliness technicians from our houses of knowledge would be unarguably a step in the wrong direction.  Our youth must be able to explore the various areas of study under the conditions which are appropriate for such activities.  And this is why I think it is important to save our janitors!!!'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'durrrr you can sound smart talking about anything duuurrrrr'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You snicker softly.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): I Sense Nonsense slaps himself, really strange ...
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'took me most of the way through before I stopped saying inside "wtf is he talking about?"'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: ';)'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you can't convince them with facts, baffle them with bullshit :-)'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'Exactly'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with some linguistics, that cleanliness nonsense may be worked into something entertainingly amusing (to the jaded) and politically incorrect (to the aghast)'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade finally breaks down when I Sense Nonsense reminds him not to panic.
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade , with a towel and book labelled "Don't Panic", demolishes that Nonsense
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Strange that "panic" reaction hasn't been edited out of species through evolution. Must be a bug.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'Actually I would argue that the Fight reaction is slowly being replaced by the Flight reaction.'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dark Angel Azaezel: 'Bacon!'
T3/r7/2013-11-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dark Angel Azaezel: 'then we are all in agreement'
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is part of school teaching? http://cdn.storyleak.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/1424564_226029330905924_1783279572_n.jpg'
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'I hope that's a joke.'
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no joke'
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'It was Hitler who went after the young kids in school, because if you brainwash the kids, then you get them. If you get the kids, you get the mothers, and so follows the men'
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'straight out of the authoritarian scumbag handbook'
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is also why you need to take central government out of the school process'
T3/r7/2013-11-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hearing reports of police violence at JFK rallies'
T3/r7/2013-11-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is this why black folks should be in elected office? http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/11/24/video-shows-monticello-mayor-cursing-breaking-clock-after-dwi-arrest/'
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what should China's response to US B52 bombers violating it's defence zone?'
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and why is the pope now calling for worldwide socialism?'
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they man's clearly a simpleton'
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(somewhat obvious, given he's the head of the catholic church)'
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting how a man who sits at the head of an organisation reputed to be among the wealthiest in the world, is lecturing everyone else about handing over their hard earned cash to the poor. What a fucking hypocrite'
T3/r7/2013-11-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(answer) btw, you are all likely making mistakes you did not learn from yet -- seems the samsara of reincarnation permits foolish humans to do the same mistakes over and over again, seems there is not much alternative when there is seeming free-will to be a fooled fool, or maybe there is no free-will, only a predestined hell.'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'anyone up for it?'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: ', we are not up'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'I argue that some at'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'are*'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'EPA is looking to regulate private ponds, ditches and lakes'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not looking, WILL'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'should headphones be worn when playing aardwolf?'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'why?'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'no!'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'theres no use as there's no sound'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if you're listening to/watching something else at the same time and didn't want to disturb others?'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'has nothing to do whit the game'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the question is somewhat irrelevent'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'explain?'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I've missed you lukesmart'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there can be no debating the fact that I am madly in love with you'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'gay?'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'I'm not gay'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'whut, i thought you were a girl'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'oh, you're looking for a wife, not looking to be a wife'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Lukesmart sighs with content as he is lovingly spooned by Not Guilty Kojiro.
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh,smartphone uses who install the facebook messenger app are being asked to agree to terms of service that allow Facebook to use the microphone on their device to record audio at any time without their permission'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, gun confiscations have started in NY in violation of the 2nd ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'just swithc cellular connection to off:)'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'switch'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'i aways wnted a gun... '
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if you wanted to make a call, Luke?'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Avieta: 'wanted*'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, NSA plans to shame web-porn users'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'you dont need cellular connection for phone calls, they are completely different'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor do you need a cellular connection for it to record you talking'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"The US authorities have studied online sexual activity and suggested exposing porn site visits as a way to discredit people who spread radical views, the Huffington Post news site has reported."'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'no if you have no connection to the web, all activity is shut down no networking can be used, local(who phones international? way too expensive) calls have a single connection to your operator not the web.'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would you install a facebook messenger app then not be connected to the web?'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fact is, most people won't read the t&c, and thus will not know that they're doing it, then those of us who point it out will be called conspiracy theorists and slandered'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'my nkia 520 lumia uses data when I'm not on apps due to location services for my maps and apps that require location for local authentication'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, the UK deficit is down to 90bn a year, we're going broke at a slightly slower rate these days'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'so I switch it off to save myself from additional costs'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, Russia arrest up to 50 members of an al-quaeda cell in Moscow. Unlike the USA, Russia actually -does- have terrorsts'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'terrorists in the USA are restricted to the government'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'agreed:)'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in Australia, Sweeping legal changes which came into effect on September 30 allow courts to suspend or cancel the licence of any person convicted or found guilty of any offence - regardless of whether that offence has anything to do with driving.'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how fucked up is that?'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'yellow'
T3/r7/2013-11-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jim Marrs is awesome'
T3/r7/2013-11-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'brian griffin is dead. what's next? new baby, dump stewie? oh boy..'
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'baffling, gun confiscation going on, economy going down the toilet, wardrums beating in the far east, but as long as Family Guy has a twist, nobody cares'
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'war is bad mkay!'
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dolt shakes his head.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dolt shakes his head.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts runs Dolt over with a small eastern European nation.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts drives up in a small eastern European nation, revving the engine noisily.
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGcdZlCZPAk&feature=player_embedded'
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'awesome'
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'he's rather vocal.'
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, guesthouse in the german mountains run by a human cannibal who were also policemen'
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some socialist commentators (namely Professor Jonathan Zimmerman) is calling for consitutional ammendment to allow Barry Soetero to run for a third consecutive term as president'
T3/r7/2013-11-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'please wait while i pick myself up off the floor from laughin'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Bamboo sings 'I'm a little teapot short and stout ... here is my handle, here is my ... _Other_Handle_??? FUCK. I'm a sugar bowl.' 
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'WORLD BANK WHISTLEBLOWER says COMET ISON IS NIBIRU'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'woohoO! first comment!'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You cheer Tigernuts on and wish him good luck!
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since reboot'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'better to be the last to comment'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there hasn't been anything newsworthy of late'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd have to scrape the barrel pretty low, such as flordia couple take town to court for banning their front garedn'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you got anything to add, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'banning front gardens is the result of the opinions and desires of a few rich arseholes interfering in municipal orsinances'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(ordinances)'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'all such ordinances constitute unconstitutional 'takings' without compensation.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely those arseholes with a vested interest in forcing the poor to buy produce at the supermarkets (in which they and their crook associates invested)'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if the government limits what you can do on your land apart from criminal or tortious behavior it is taking some of your property rights without compensating you for them.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no property rights'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't get me wrong, we should have a large measure of property rights, but we don't, simply put'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade THWAPS Tigernuts for being a moron.
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well the constitution and the fifth amendment would say otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the constitution is dead, people have allowed it to be eroded. However even outside of the US, people no longer have property rights'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they sure do in new zealand'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do they pay property tax?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i think only nonresidents do'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Tigernuts is a mole working for the crook rich, seeking to discourage the poor from asserting and insisting upon fair play)'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he isn't and is doing no such thing'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but there, we're being turned into a world of renters'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and regardless of the errosion the constitution still remains, even if our current scotus doesn't enforce it properly'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's nothing to do with your scotus'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've had your constitution nibbled at since 1913, but accelerated in 1963 and worse since 2001'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 1st, 2nd, 4th are essentially overturned'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts seems eager to state "if i told you once, i told you umpteem times, you have no rights!!!  So fall down, go belly up, then assume the worship position in readiness to kiss rich arse." (very loosely paraphrased)'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you don't :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what can be done about it is a different matter'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dunno why zade is constantly railing against free markets, free markets didn't cause the worlds issues, corporatism, despotism and centralism did'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is "constantly" lying about what others are stating'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only one telling falsehoods tonight is yourself, Zade :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is likely to be hardpressed to find anything where this "zade is constantly railing against free markets" (when those "free markets" are properly regulated so that crooks and the incompetent are unable to defraud others in the name of "free markets".)'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are no longer free markets'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regulated or otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but when somebody criticises the "no longer free markets", Tigernuts attempts a gainsay that those critics are against "free markets" - that is crook debating by Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my position is entirely self consistent, i support the existance of regulated free markets, but the fact is we don't have free markets. People like you blame capitalism for all the worlds ills when it isn't capitalism, it's corporatism - it's basically corporate socialism'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with a bit of luck China and USA will nuke each other into the stone age, then the rest of us can have some peace and quiet'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Inside Job" (documentary 2010) was a partial eye-opener'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that seems unlikely since their economies are so intertwined these days'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tiger, I'm afraid your debating days are over here on aard if that happens.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no doubt'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can't see any other way of resetting this, short of a major conflict'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there isn't the public capability to change anything'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so that is your solution: WWIII  (instead of merely an ominous hint)'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the world is dominated by sheep'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's about the only solution with any chance of working, Zade. If you have a workable alternative, let me know'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the solution is to colonize space'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and besides, it's coming anyway'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how will that help anything?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'as Emmanuel Lasker said "the threat is greater than the implementation". '
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'new frontiers new shifts in power, new governments forming etc'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'space colonisation is centuries away'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i doubt it'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well stop doubting it, it's true'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it but even if it is a century or two away it is still the solution'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only possible exception would be the moon'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'rome lasted 8 centuries or so'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'orbitals will probably happen before moon'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if you're going to frame it as something that very long term then you might as not concern yourself with it, since we'll all be long dead'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was interested in within-the-decade solutions'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there are none'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the centuries solution will also not come to pass'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if (some) humans believe that space colonisation is the answer to the humasns ruining the planet, then those humans deserve to be euthanised'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ruining the planet in what way zade?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the planet only has value to and with respect to humans'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with zade in the sense that running away from a problem, or pretending it can't be solved, or just giving up... isn't a solution'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'debate what problem am I running away from?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your perceived problem of a poisoned planet'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'uhm I am not sure how to parse that one'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'can you be more specific?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade THWAPS Emm for being a wannabe moron (for stating "ruining the planet in what way, ...?")
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade said that peopel who believe the only answer to humans ruining the planet is space colonisation should be euthenised'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'im really serious what "ruining the planet" are you talking about?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the problems that space colonisation was a panacea for'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'fukushima? global warming? fracking?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or the domination of the many by the few?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was where we started and what you were referring to'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you people talk in to many vageries. If you want to discuss real problems and real solutions you have to be more concrete.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can be as concrete as you like, but ideology isn't concrete'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want my solution, you'd tear down your federal government and return most of it's powers back to the individual states where it belongs, instead enacting country-wide policies by encouraged participation rather than dictat, you'd stop trying to police the world and tear down all laws that didn't adhere to the constitution '
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the UK i'd leave the EU and start retooling the public in terms of how to make things, grow things, and be productive citizens, alongwith reducing the population gradually over a long period of time'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and you think this would solve anything? you think the state governments aren't just as corrupt as the federal?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if one state government is corrupt, it's 1 out of 50, not the whole country and considerably easier to do something about'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the federal government is corrupt, which it is, you're all fucked'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'money wins all political games in the end'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's harder to game a distributed system'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and we all need to cancel these bollocks co2 targets, ban GMO crops, stop pumping pesticides and other chemicals into the water table and stop eating crap'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the congressional district maps (which are entirely controlled by state governments) seem to give the lie to that assertion tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so basically you are working in a hypothetical world where you have the power to enact whatever you want, rather than reality'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't have a panacea, emm, i said merely that it is harder to game 50 states than 1 federal government'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want a plan of action? that's a different question altogether'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the context is: "were i advising god, i be inclined to euthanise (most of) the human race if the human race ruined the planet (but that scenario of euthanisation is likely to happen in the scenario where the human race ruins the planet (loss-loss-win?)--- the trick is to euthanise those humans responsible for the unjustified needless ruin of the planet) [there may be exceptions where the planet must be eliminated] [Vogan hypewrspace bypass perhaps] [deus irae maybe]"'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to get from A-B, you either have to convince an overwhelming amount of the population (impossible, they're mostly dumber than a box of rocks), or you have to kill them all, or have a revolution'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't like your odds on any of those'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole political system has been set up and run to ensure that it remains entrenched'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Vogon hyperpace bypass)'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'governments never get better, they always get worse until such a time as there is a revolution'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so the real solution is for those who aren't dumb as a box of rocks to get ridiculously wealthy and start doing something about particular issues that are dear to them'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that won't happen, the masses are there to consume and to maintain the momentum of the entrenched government'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the masses will, as a class, get poorer - as has been the experience over the last generation'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what does that have to do with what I just said?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a rebuttal'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in what way?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't think the masses are, generally speaking, the ones that aren't dumber than a box of rocks.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't think they are not the ones dumber than a box of rocks, so you do think they are dumber than a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'so many negations'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the masses are, for the most part, the ones that are dumber than a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'agreed'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though there are plenty in the halls of power too, useful idiots'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so responding to my assertion that the real solution is for those that aren't to get rich and work on the issues they care about'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's also unlikely to happen'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'with an assertion that the masses will continue to feed the entrenched system is not a rebuttal'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the system i gamed to ensure that there are no challengers'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it happens all the time'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i must have missed that'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'look at bill gates, elon musk, warren buffet'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bill gates, elon musk, warren buffet, all just so happen to be on the same side - the establishment'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they each have gotten fabulously wealthy and are using the wealth to work on problems they care about'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's a newsflash for you, bill gates doesn't give two flying fucks about your rights, he would happily burn you and your entire bloodline if it furthered his personal ambitions'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's the epitome of evil capitalism'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats actually not true, I know from personal experience, but it is becoming clear that you are not worth debating'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he always thus, apparently a decent PR company can work wonders'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing Bill Gates does is without an eye on personal ambition or profit'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'including giving away billions of dollars to fight malaria in africa?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which he doesn't get anything at all out of?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'wtf does that have to do with the price of tea in china?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'africa is an emerging market worth many hundreds of billions of dollars'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'here is a newsflash for you NOONE has ever in the history of the world done ANYTHING which they didn't believe to be in their best interests if you define best interests properly.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't be putting him on a pedestal'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe some of the stuff he's doing will be beneficial, is it outweighed by the harm his business interests are doing over there? who can say'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does he care about solving the problems we were talking about earlier regarding rights, governance and freedom? definitely not, he views them as an enemy'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he believes in a technocracy where people's rights end when he and his ruling class say they do'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you are talking out of your ass.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'really? what's bill gates stance on the 2nd ammendment? what's his stance on illegal spying, drone strikes? Does he believe people have the right to put what they want in their own bodies? Does he believe people should be choose to organise their own health affairs?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you'd have to ask him on most of those, but that is hardly the point'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's exactly the point, he's is a technocrat, he prefers corporate fascism as a means of governance'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'my whole point was that instead of railing against a system that is not going to change anytime in the next few decades you should work inside the system to make the changes that you care most about.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone who has ever tried to change the system from the inside has found one of 3 things: 1. you can't, 2. you get killed, or 3. you get consumed by the borg'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think you are attributing your perceived opionions about what senior executives of fortune 500 companies believe to a particular individual you know very little about.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so we fundamentally disagree on methods. You (naively imho) believe you can change the system from the inside. I believe the only means of changing the system is to tear it down from the outside'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bill gates' opinions on these things are quite well publicised'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't believe I can change the system, I believe i can make changes from within the system that make the world a marginally better place'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you on the other hand would rather just impotently rail against the system and accomplish absolutely nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'So we will both achieve nothing, the only difference was I was honest about the outcome'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, you are not honest'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm always honest'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'wrong, I will be achieving many things, whether they make the world a marginally better place to live or not remains to be seen.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Tigernuts defeatest talk is extremely dishonest'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it dishonest, zade?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bah, Tigernuts feigns clueless'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't just go around calling people dishonest without any kind of accusation, much less proof'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd like to know who all these people are working to make things "better from within"'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'You are pretending not to recognize Zade's inherent correctness and superiority. Obviously if you were honest, you'd admit it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '/sarcasm'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I have given you 3 names, but there are many many more'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but you seem to be focusing on the political game, which is an ultimately unwinable one for most purposes'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are not working from within to make things better, but working without for their own agendas, that's not the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so Hitler was working from within to make things better'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'by my criteria they are doing good.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is, the world is a better place to live thanks to their efforts'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts boggles at the concept.
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is they are a net positive in terms of social value.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what have they done that has been of social value?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'countless things, for example elon musk has pushed private space travel forward by leaps and bounds'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vanity project'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'things done for vanity can still cause a lot of good in the world'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were pointing to things that improved social value, space-x has not done this'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'even if we grant that it is a vanity project does that somehow make it less socially valuable?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade mutters "darn, somebody may require to texch the topic of 'decent debating 101' in this channel - but don't bother in regard to the trolls feigning clueless"
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course it has'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not socially valuable period'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'okay im done debating tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you have no clue what you are talking about and no desire to engage in honest debate'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've mentioned bill gates philanphropic issues, i'll give you those, even if they are only counterweighting some of the dodgier stuff he's done'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well Xyliz, here's your first lesson - attacking someone else's character, as you continually do, is not really part of decent debating.'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're done because i don't value space travel or space colonisation as a viable solution to the earths problems? then you try and invent social value and attach to it as a means of justifying your choice?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could have just said "i like space travel"'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who is Xyliz?'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'l'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like being married to Elon Musk is a dangerous job'
T3/r7/2013-12-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'either way its pointless to debate him, our premises don't match.'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'http://medicalxpress.com/news/2013-12-memories-offspring-impacted-parental.html'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'it seems like a new age crap but there..'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just when you thought the economic mismanagement of the UK could get no worse, the Prime Minister is in China trying to organise a free trade agreement'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I didn't know Obama was the UK's prime minister. Learn something new everyday.'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the US has it's own free trade clusterfuck called NAFTA, North American Free Trade Agreement'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'signs you up to allkinds of shit with no congressional oversight'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of the US, did you hear about the guy who got arrested for trying to pick up his kids at school?'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, saw it'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he'll get off and there'll be a law suit, but they won't care because it comes out of taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear about the guy getting audited because he found an Obamacare-approved plan he could afford?'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't hear about that one'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'why isnt the american people getting angry with the police?'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american people are too stupid to'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your country isn't alone with the high stupid count, don't think i'm picking on your arse'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'this guy was dying of cancer and he ended up losing his existing insurance because it didn't meet Obamacare standards.  He could not afford an Obamacare plan, and he figured since he was going to die soon anyways he'd just pay the tax penalty at the end of the year.  He ended up telling his story on a radio talk show, and an insurance broker listening was so moved by the tale that he called up this guy and found him an approved plan he could afford.  Problem solved, with some feel-good cheer all around, right?'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wrong.  The IRS found out about this, and they decided to audit this dying man taking advantage of their healthcare program and they also decided to audit the broker as well.'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the media (and the left of politics) in my country is spitting bile because the London Mayor drew attention in a speech to the fact that while widening income is a problem, greed and envy are important motivators. He also said no matter how equal opportunity is, 16% of people will have an IQ under 85 and 3% an IQ over 130'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the media and political left were spitting chunks over that, it was all quite amusing'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the IRS have full access to all the obamacare info, it's built into the system, so it's not surprising they audit'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Boris Johnsom?'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Johnson *'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ronda: 'talking about iq i saw the video of black friday shopping'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why would they audit the tax broker, though?  HE was getting audited because someone else was, not because the broker bought insurance.'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cos they can?'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why did they audit tea-partiers setting up foundations/charities/movements?'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the IRS is a political weapon of the democrat party to use against those who would seek to oppose the centralising power grabbing ways'
T3/r7/2013-12-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like any other government department'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NFL should be boycott'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or just dispensed with altogether given it's just a brainwashing outlet for the regime, and it's lame'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'what if you personally enjoy smashing people until you both have concussions'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'play a contact sport that doesn't have political tentacles, such as rugby'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hell, even boxing'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'boxing is totally scripted'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the complaint wasn't about scripting'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'there's nothing wrong with concussions when you have got them enough to think everyone else is dumb. trust me'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'so scripted people actually die from bleeding out in their brain :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes.'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well 84% of the population are dumb'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's just a statistical fact'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'american football is a good sport, pretty slow paced at the professional level, better at college'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'american football would be fine, just the nfl's political leanings and propaganda pushing are distasteful in a sporting event'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than nfl being a lame form of rugby'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but each to their own'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'rugy different type of athlete/skill set'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what are the nfl's political leanings?'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'What major US sport isn't involved in politics?'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'it's an economic giant, always will be political'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best boycott it then'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'Most of your billionaires are probably going to be involved in politics in one way or another'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'exactly, there is nothing inherently wrong with politics'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'anti-guns, anti-military (they actually rejected some ad that featured a company that had a rifle as their logo, it was a vignette about a soldier getting back home to his family)'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pro-obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the company actually offered to edit out the rifle logo, but no dice.  The NFL said it was sending the wrong message.'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Swedish police are in hot water after making a list of Roma people'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'decision makers right to do so, it's a company, manage their image how they see fit'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's why it should be boycotted, Ehrsul'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are the news channels trying to spin the Paul Walker death, trying to claim that the Porsche Carera GT was difficult to drive'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'he was amazing.'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a tricky car to drive, if you drive like a lunatic on badly maintained public roads, yes, you'll come to grief'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'what do you drive?'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'me? i drive a diesel astra'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'well, if you drive something with 600 hp and a lot of torque, it's pretty easy to either fall victim to human error, or mechanical error'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'so happens if either of those happens in a fast car at any speed, it's usually pretty bad :p'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, not at all'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at normal road speed you are unlikely to die in a 1-car wreck that renders the car destroyed in a fireball'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that requires abject stupidity'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that depends on if you can get out, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'driving on the edge on a race track is dangerous too, but mitigated by gravel traps, runoffs, armcoves'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'it could just as easily been a mechanical issue as it was a driver problem in that incident'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'not enough info yet'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the accident to have been that fatal, speed was the issue'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regardless of a mechanical or driver fault'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'dunno, i drive a car fast enough that could easily get myself or someone killed over something as innocent as over accelerating in a turn and spinning it'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'takes a lot of control, experience, people eff up, wreck cars like that, a LOT heh'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you'll find the Walker crash was a result of hitting an immobile object at well over 100mph'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'that's all, so slow~'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'thought it was supposed to fast :('
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i rarely drive to work in the winter without seeing at least a couple of wrecks or upside-down-car-in-ditch, or bmw facing backwards out of a hedge per week'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'ice is tuff'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'only for stupid people'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'depends on the car'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that the soul of Hans person again...
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'many drivers seem surprised that winter comes every year'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get double points for a bmw or audi'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'heh can tell you don't respect your own vehicle or the risks by the way you talk about it, like you're an infallible driver :p'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehrsul: 'same reason why everyone gets in wrecks, they just don't think it can happen to them..'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is infallible'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'not infallible, just smarter about driving in inclement weather.'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at the soul of Hans.
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure i follow the logic of "you must be a bad driver because you diss other people's bad driving''
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'see, when it's rainy/snowy/icy, I slow down and put a lot of distance between me and the next guy.  Many people around me seem to be under the delusion that it's not ____ outside so they can just come zooming in like in the summer droughts.'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get people in thick fog here drive with no lights on, overtake, drive up your arse, all sorts, Hans. It's quite scarey really'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'you have idiotic behaviour in traffic everywhere all the time. It just becomes more noticeable when it's bad weather.'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'first snow storm of the winter here you get one person doing 5 MPH on damp roads and one person 60 MPH around a curve into a ditch, people are usually pretty level headed by later storms, a few people impatient but not too bad.'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in bad weather, when it multiplies the risk'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'do you also have the SUV folks who think that just because they have 4wd they can andretti the interstates?'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, we just had SUV drivers blocking the roads taking their little shits to school when they should be fucking walking'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yeah they think 4WD is great at high speeds, where it doesn't help them that much.'
T3/r7/2013-12-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: '...in one of the fewer than 60 bills passed by Congress this year, one dealt with a tweak to the IRS tax code to rename one section in honor of a former senator.'
T3/r7/2013-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK government today announce year on year tax rises to infinity'
T3/r7/2013-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'essentially bringing the 40% rate to eventually cover all earning'
T3/r7/2013-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what with a 20% sales tax, property taxes ranging from $1200 to $3000 a year, employment tax of 18%, it's not good'
T3/r7/2013-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news< Sarah Palin claims Martin Bashir's scalp'
T3/r7/2013-12-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ooh, and it turns out that world peak oil was reached in 2005'
T3/r7/2013-12-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in tonights' news, south africa's longest lived terrorist dies age 95'
T3/r7/2013-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'ok,  can someone actually explain to me why nelson mandela is so great?  i don't know anything about s. africa or its history'
T3/r7/2013-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'you could move to a city with a bookstore and buy a book on the subject.'
T3/r7/2013-12-06.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'or move to a city with a library.'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'type id stone, you can hold it and it will give you those bonuses'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'sorry, misstell'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'mmm, fried up a raccoon yesterday....caught it in my house cat trap.'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i've  watched a lot of science lately. what if 2 black holes slammed into eatchother. what happens?'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they merge?'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'how?'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'what if you put an aardbag inside an aardbag...same sitch'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dhampir Jutduli: 'they merge into a larger mass blackhole'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'they still have a huge awesome.. they.. should obliterate.. vanish.. dust cloud. no holes'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dhampir Jutduli: 'its not like matter and anti matter.... thye just combine'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '100m km/s hole + another. why the heck they have to stay together'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'because they're drawn to each other'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its fishy'
T3/r7/2013-12-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'slamming 2 suns together gives a huge blast. slamming 2 bholes 3x the mass of our sun does nothing'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, you would need the energy output of a massive of a few black holes to be able to slam two stars together.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no need to bring in the university...even einstein had theories wrong...'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'Switching only if the average of the two remaining cases is higher than 10.5 results in an average amount won of 10.4705 ovev 2000 runs'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'nah, i just wanted to know the country :p'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but oh shit, university of chicago...they're the ones that invented "the new math" being taught in elementary schools :P'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sure and even fields medal winners had the monty hall problem wrong before it was demonstrated to them'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'wow my first ignore on aard'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ooh, all mine are offline (if you mean people ignoring you...I don't ignore anyone myself)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'are you convinced by the statistical analysis? :p'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no I mean person I am ingoring'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Azima'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'ok, so in monty hall the host reveals a bad door. suppose the DoND host revealed say the 5 lowest amount cases after you made your original pick. what would that do the scenario at the end of the game? anything?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea but anyway madcatz did as you asked, and proved that it's still the same'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'er Aizma even'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yes endtime'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that would change it'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and make it so switching is better'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if the host could make calls in DoND, then that WOULD change things, endtime'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'Only difference between my script and the actual game is instead of eliminating 18 of the 19 remaining cases, I just picked one of the remaining 19 left to be the "last case"'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but that's not the case in DoND'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'thought so Redryn. this is beginning to make sense to me I think'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'I'm assuming that's OK'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'wait what was the expected value of switching only when the average value of the final two cases exceeded the average value of the initial cases?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'with cases 1-20 (ev of 10.5): Switching only if the average of the two remaining cases is higher than 10.5 results in an average amount won of 10.4705 ovev 2000 runs'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'over*'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '- 5'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a kilo of shelled mixed nuts now costs over $30, but inflation is only 2%'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods quietly to himself.  What a wacko.
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you're welcome'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation has been high for a decade'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consistently 5-10% since the mid 80s'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'in other good news, the US labour force is shrinking enough that unemployment goes down'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, put everyone into university or onto disability then the unemployment 'rate' goes down. Did the same thing in the UK from the 80s onwards'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the employment equivalent of sweeping crap under a carpet'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's all because of the marvellous recovery!'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the 'recovery' driven by households taking on more debt to spend money they don't have on slave goods from china that they don't need? '
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'and as long as no one looks at silly things like total number of employed people/hours worked/wages paid, markets go up and all is well'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a recovery requires you to make stuff, no amount of bringing in nazi health provision in order to cut people's wages to open up more part time mcjobs that don't pay enough to live on will create a recovery'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._Household_Debt_Relative_to_Disposable_Income_and_GDP.png'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama is a closet Republican (and or puppet), perhaps even a Libertarian closet Republican (and or puppet) -- Tigernuts is supposed to be praising Barack Obama -- but Tigernuts is likely prejudiced against that which Barack Obama is'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing accurate in there is the puppet bit'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'obama is neither a republican nor a libertarian, nor a liberal, nor a democrat'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'his personal politics are authoritarian and socialist'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be hard to prove that contention, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at his history'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'While I consider it highly probable that Obama has a decent collection of skeletons in his walk in closet, I doubt whether they are particularly republican'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most US Presidents are "auhoritarian"'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'most US Presidents are "authoritarian"'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's probably not true'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'democrats will tend to authoritarianism, pre-NWO republicans would not'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'some presidents, like the most recent ones, are interested in expanding presidential power, others not so much'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much most presidents since eisenhower, tinada, possible exception of reagan until he got shot'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I was just about to mention Eisenhower as the most recent example of presidential self-restraint and whatnot'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada meeps! Maybe you should too!
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "incompetent" track record of President Obama is "explained" by the conjecture that Barack Obama, giving lipservice to socialism (incompetently) is a Republican mole and or puppet of the rich (republicans)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can find wrong in any little thing, but I think everyone can agree it's got substantially worse since Bush 1'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "incompetent" track record of President Obama is "explained" by the conjecture that Barack Obama, giving lipservice to socialism (yet being incompetent as a socialist), is a Republican mole and or puppet of the rich (republicans)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is Obamacare likely to be successful from the perspective of most USamericans: if not, then a Republican mole succesful sabotage'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when Obama, with a majority in both houses, decided to go "partisan" with Obamacare development, Obama was either stalling until the conclusive majority was lost, and or ***clueless*** as to how implement Obamacare (but decided to bring in "Obamacare" as a sop to the democrats), and or was a closet Republican mole'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there may be alternative explanations as to the Barack Obama incompetency ...'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama seems to like to hire and appoint into important positions from among those that were actually responsible for the financial collapse'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps almost as though Barack Obama is saying "Who better to appoint to important positions of finance than those that ruined the the finances of the USA -- at least they knew what they were doing when they were deliberately ruining the USA -- that is valuable knowledge." (and in 2017 Barack Obama may be looking for an extra "golden parachute")'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Goldman Sacks is up for the Congressional Medal of Honor from Barack Obama -- xchan'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Barack Obama reeks of lack of foresight and gross incompetence ... unless all that Barack Obama did was deliberately done with full foresight -- but that may be an exaggeration - perhapd partial foresight and full intent.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'since this is a debate channel, who's going to defend Barack Obama'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nobody?! .. you expletive racists!  ;D'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'wait while i catch up.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'meh, i don't understand enough to defend.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the 2010 documentary "Inside Job" was an eye-opener '
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'do you prefer bush?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i'll check it out when i get the chance.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'lukesmart, he's not saying bush was better, just that obama is either stupid or a republican mole.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Inside Job" indicates that all the USpresidents from Reagan to Obama are responsible for the deregulations and the financial ruin and beggaring of middle-class USA'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'in short, they're screwing the people?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'eh I watched a documentary about big corporate companies paying to minipulate laws.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'what would motivate that?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'in order for you to become rich, another hs to become poor'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Faceater: 'Incorrect. Another, or many people, have to spend money. It's not the same as becoming poor.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'well your money goes somewhere if you become poor'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'lukesmart, i'm seeing that where i am, actually, a slow shift that slowly causes imbalance in finances.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Sakage: 'and your money goes somewhere else if your rich, you still have to pay even if your rich.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich became richer because of the "Financial Collapse" and deregulations -- the wages and earnings of middle-class USA was steadily eroded'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'under what justification?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'what is the average salarie/wage in north america or USA?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'salary*'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the wages and earnings of middle-class USA was steadily eroded from before and during and after Reagan through to Obama'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'that explains nothing much.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is what at least two documataries of 2010 are stating'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is what at least two documentaries of 2010 are stating - and those documentaries explain a lot '
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i didn't watch them.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'could you give a synopsis or something?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those middle-class USamericans previously living in houses but are currently residing in tents, likely do not even own a functioning tvset to watch the documentaries (either)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade refuses to be trolled
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ok.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'so how was their pay eroded?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'meh, i should probably not ask, i'm pretty much floundering in the dark.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your money doesn't have to "go somewhere" to be poor'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your means of making a livelihood can go, or your money can be devalued'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'yeah, you could not be getting money at all'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but in many cases the loss of livelihood, loss of wealth power, or loss of wealth period can be laid at the elite holding the puppet strings'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e the corporate elite and the government - i consider them one and the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'in RSA our mine workers get 2k more than public school teachers'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, you've also got white folks living in fear in secure areas thanks to western meddling'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'nothing the back of a bakkie can't handle'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've also got the world media fawning over the death of a communist leader in your country'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'bakkie/truck'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'oh your one of use:) thank the lord^^'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'you're'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'and us...'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'he's not much of a communist, not directly though...'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'he was considered a terrorist in US until a few years ago'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'the previous government was'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'who?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Mandela'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'ahh, thanks.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'people have conspiracies that he made a deal with the previous president upon his freedom'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'until his release from prison after being turend, really'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, the previous president that he then made vice president?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'in that way we might have been corporatlely'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'vice president was another anc member'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'african name I can't get to hahaha'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mandela became head of a Government of National Unity dominated by the ANC  which alone had no experience of governance  but containing representatives from the National Party and Inkatha. In keeping with earlier agreements, de Klerk became first Deputy President, and Thabo Mbeki was selected as second'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'ah yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'he kept de klerk vice...'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'what a fool'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he flipped his alignment from russia to USA while in prison'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'he went to prison for leaving the country without permission.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'I think he went to more than just two countries'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyhew, like most things the truth being peddled is way different to the truth'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'current US inflation rate is 8.5%'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'our country has local stations ft. mandela'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: '24/7 for the next 8-7 days'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, best turn it all off'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'there is absolute jack, on television'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unemployment by official measure is a smidgeon short of 24%'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.shadowstats.com/imgs/sgs-emp.gif?hl=ad&t=1386344618 shows you how they have been actively manipulating figures since 2010 to make it look like there's an improvement'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'lol'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'if you were a south african, you would've known that many years before 2010'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, you see, people are still in denial'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'note that Tigernuts reports figures that are suspect since no location was specified (SA, UK, USA, elsewhere) '
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US unless i specify otherwise, zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'do you know of greenpoint stadium?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not familiar with it'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Zade, note that 'debate' channel has become right wing talk radio in MUD. They tell each other the common lies because they WANT to believe them'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'it was built prior to 2010 soccer'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Such as YOU TN could ever be factual. Just spin. ALL spin'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'I'l get the stats now for you'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'We have been there before TN. I have learned you will just weave new propaganda around any corrections. No use. Enjoy'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'such as inflation being 8.5% or household debt increasing after 2007'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation -is- 8.5%'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: '*snort*'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US-Inflation-by-year.png'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25152556'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'NM I will butt out'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Official inflation, as calculated by the most recent incarnation of the BLS method, is low-ish.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your chart doesn't even tell you what measure of inflation it uses'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: '"the total debt figure is not adjusted for inflation, and the Bank of England has pointed out that - relative to income - debt levels have been falling."'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'from your source'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'ah airheads'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'your source doesn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'sorry my internet is slow, some issues with my provider'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that incomes have not increased, their assertion that it has fallen relative to income is false'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'the inflation data I provided: "Consumer Price Index (CPI-U) which is compiled by the Bureau of Labor Statistics and is based upon a 1982 Base of 100"'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'eh hehehe wikipedia is a very reliable source'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_Kingdom shows otherwise'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'it's much better than tigernuts simply claiming things that aren't true'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, so it's based on the first "fiddled" inflation rate introduced in the early 80s, not the second fiddled rate introduced in the 90s'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'WIKIPEDIA IS A BLOG!'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'idk i have no idea what you guys are arguing about'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'inflation numbers vary a lot depending on how you calculate it'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and governments tend to prefer tweaking it to appear lower'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arguing about the fact that neither whig nor izoc understand that twice the method of calculating inflation has been fiddled to make it lower'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'probably'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well not probably, it's true'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'I understand perfectly well how inflation is calculated. The fact that you don't like how it is discussed in the mainstream doesn't mean you can throw out garbage numbers.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Redryn, it is just SPIN. Note the times quoted, intended to tie the lies to Carter and Clinton'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people have used the raw statistics used by the governments and run them through older inflation methods and they ALWAYS come up higher'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'TN is just spinmeister'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'search 'zapiro greenpoint''
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'spin?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Nod, the common lies picked up on talk radio and FoxLiarNews'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what part is spin'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that inflation numbers are tweaked?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'ALL'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'that inflation is 8.5%, that UK household income has gone down over the past few years'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'not spin, lies'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not lies'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'he "spins" it by using his own measurement system'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'I regularly listen to these sources, so I can recognize the lies when put out as 'facts' on the internet'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'nothing new here'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm sure the anti gvmt tweaks the inflation numbers to look higher than they are too'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'there are lies, damned lies, and statistics'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'but you're still getting shrewed by your government:P'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'he even claims Mandela supported the Soviets. Same claim as was made about MLK. See any pattern?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/household-income/the-effects-of-taxes-and-benefits-on-household-income/50-years-of-the-effects-of-taxes-and-benefits-analysis/sty-taxes-and-benefits-on-household-income.html'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Next: Obamie the commie'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'but mandela did'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'so waS de klerk the vice'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'and tabu the other'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'tabu went onto president as black people didn't trust the white president'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'before 5 years tabu was kicked off presidency'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'he was litterally thrown out of parliment and a job'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'Let me appeal to your sense instead. How did Soviets treat ANY black people? How does Russia treat them now? '
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'likely or not?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i see no reason for or against without further information'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i've provided sources and figures to back up my assertions, all Whig has is name calling'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but countries are not stupid to be generally racist'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm surprised he hasn't accused me of being racist, that'll be his next step'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'they will support whoever is politically advantageous'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Whig: 'NM, I am gonna play aardwolf and ignore this nonsense a whi'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the 2010 documentaries stated that the rich (1) paid academics to determine how to beggar the middle-class USA, (2) got Reagan elected so Reagan may commence the deregulations, decrease taxes on the rich, increase taxes on the middle-class, (3) paid the later politicians (through to Obama) to do more of the same, (3) convinced SCOTUS to permit corporations to "buy" elections, (4) deregulated the media so that the rich may order media to be unbalanced with blatant lies (lie! or be fired), (5) deliberately orchestrated the financial collapse to beggar the savings and pension funds of middle-class, (6) convinced SCOTUS to overturn a conviction for financial fraud, (7) convinced Obama to be incompetent, to appoint from those that advised or caused the financial meltdowns, to pass further deregulations, (8) ..'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'make your own decisions but being openminded is important imo'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no one has a monopoly on truth'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now he's giving up and is going to ignore the convenient truth because he has -nothing- to refute it with'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'what was the argument anyway'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty typical leftie who sell his fellow man into slavery just to be trendy and feel like he's on the winning team'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'uk citizens getting fucked?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone's getting fucked, redryn, different shit, another day'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our glorious leaders here in the UK are chasing a free trade agreement with China'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA (and the UK?), the rich seem to hold an oligarchy on broadcast lies'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of mainstream media and newspapers, yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'asians will dominated the 21st century'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you either have the corporate propped media such as Murdoch/Fox, or you have the regime funded media like BBC, MSNBC, CNN'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if we don't have ww3 by then'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really anything new there, just becoming more overt as things become polarised'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'non-sensationalist news doesn't sell'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'facist!'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that and it's a business, so 90% of the news is just centrally produced'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since that's cheap'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real journalism requires effort, trained staff, risk and cost'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just ignore the opinions and get facts'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'e tv owns e tv'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, let the media tell you what to believe, much easier that way'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'most media outlets still present the underlying facts'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'I mean what you guys call e tv news?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'well not only that, but most people aren't real interested in watching the real news but more interested in watching stories about natural catastrophes and a random person getting abducted'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'e tv news shows our news to U.S.A but we hardly ever get any news from U.S.A'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i is genus'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'mis'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people can't look at news, people look at the news and expect the vendor to tell them what to think'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'really they want the vendor to tell them what they're already thinking so they can feel virtuous'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'people like to be told what they're thinking'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as Whig, I bet Whig has never read up on inflation, how it is calculate, and how it's formulation has changed over time, why, and what effects it has. Instead it's just easier to believe what he's been told, to attack the messenger, ignoring the fact that he's being intellectually slothful by not looking it up'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm prone to it too! :p'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're all prone to it, it's called advertising and propaganda'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'screw that intellectual thought, i'm here to pup and pk noobs'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and you're all outta pups?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HelpanImm Penthesilea: 'we knew that, what else is new?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't require rocket surgery to look shit up'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'no, but it requires being open to the possibility that what you know isn't necessarily right'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'but then you're stupid to be gulled'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.shadowstats.com/article/no-438-public-comment-on-inflation-measurement'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a bankruptcy judge ruled that Detroit's pension funds can be raped as part of the city bankruptcy issue'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is the city yet required to pay the rich creditors as much as possible'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not required by law, but by precedent - corporatists profit above people'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the city does not require to pay the creditors, then the city does not require to rape the pension fund'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will be forced to pay the creditors, of course it will'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'yes rape is very harsh'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'I say the only people who deserved to get raped are molesteres pedos rapists'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'stfu with the irrelevant trolling, Lukesmart. go to the sick jokes channel'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pot. kettle'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fundholders should be the last thing that should be hit. should have been such for the bank screwjobs too, but you know full well that financial crisis are just another way of the ruling elite to deprive the working public of money and power'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'excuse me a moment while i remove the last dregs of human compassion (must play the part of the .. kettle or pot ?)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that bankruptcy judge sb impeached, convicted, and sentenced to hard labour '
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the judiciary is littered with political appointees that will judge based on their affiliation agenda'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd have to have a nuremburg style affair for the whole lot of them'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you approve of the Paul plan for rejuvenating Detroit?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no news-hannel here until i sign up for a cable connection, likely in early spring when the snow is gone'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/08/police-state-county-censors-government-employee-who-dares-criticize-obamacare/'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so much for the 1st ammendment rights'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'although the government employee is not supposed to be expressing private opinions from a public office'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's their job'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also an example of selective enforcement of a policy (not law)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in local news recently, the Chief of Police was expressing an opinion that Memorial Day organisers exclude bikers from Memorial Day services (which after some flak from Mayors office, the Police Chief stated was not an official request but a private opinion)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'net result was what?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the police chief was likely doing that urging to protect the undercover cops infiltrating the biker gangs -- if the bikers attended Memorial Day services, some clueless friends of the police may recognise and give the undercover cops a cheerio greeting'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no net result, merely a news item'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'almost reminiscent of the song "Signs" by the Five Man Electrical band'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, First riots in Singapore in 30 years'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stick it to the man!'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as many as 7 out of 10 doctors in california will boycott Obamacare, a report reveals'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'what will the other three do? :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'have more business'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably be pissed off at the reductions in payments and boycott it later, or just retire, or move'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I hear physicians only have to take a 40% pay cut or whatever to participate'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2540272#.UqLPd42Zl8I.twitter'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'america, best care. most expensive!'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'certainly most expensive, almost twice as high share of GDP spent as typical western european programs'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'move to where - a country where the doctors earn less than in the USA -- interesting concept'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, in the UK, a report revealed that thousands of peopel are being denied access to elective surgery due to lack of funds'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want the best care, you need the money to pay for it, unfortunately it's as simple as that, and it doesn't matter which country you live in'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except N.Korea'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'let's see what doesn't work. A single payer system does not work unless you're a small country with considerable wealth, either from natural resources or a sovereign wealth fund'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a controlled mandatory marketplace operated by corporations doesn't work except as a gigantic cash syphon'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'its just a tax on the young..most people i know are just going to pay the small fine and call it a day'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an unregulated free market where government dabbles with scraps of cover for the poor but everyone else is left to the mercy of the insurance companies doesn't work'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what are they going to do in future years where that small fine turns into $4300?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and ps, let's call it what it is - a tax)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'as americans, we worry about this week not 3 years from now'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'a taxi?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think i've spotted the flaw in the american outlook'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'you say it almost as it's perfect'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not american, it's the political outlook - UK government do it the same - they're looking between now and the next election onluy'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'business do it too, quarter to quarter even if the long run is worse'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will usually have a longer term strategy too, though'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some things you can do on a small timescale, infrastructure and governance isn't one of them'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"elective" is seems an adjective to describe .. cosmetic, optional, by personal choice, by election lottery, unnecessary, .. '
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone else see the slightly odd rant (possible mental breakdown?) of the democrat rep?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'don't diss the republic man'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in reference to surgery here, it refers to something that isn't life threatening Zade. Things like hip replacements, back surgery'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose republic is being dissed, luke?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'better a flawed and mostly destroyed republic than a crazy overcrowded island presided over by inbred german royalty and banking whores'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Prince William does look jewish, but that does not mean inbred'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'what the fuck did that come from?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is taking potshots at the British Royalty '
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing wrong with that'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i thought you of all people would support ousting supreme rulers who rule by virtue of their family'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a decent monarchy prevents communism'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where has it prevented communism?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in Great Britain'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what make you think it was the monarchy that prevented it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'it didnt help in Russia'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(cue klaxon sound)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and the russian ones were related to the british ones by blood anyway :P'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the russian aristocracy were corrupt and debased'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'you mean there is aristocracy that isnt?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts beams a smile at Homer.
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'was about to quote the same'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Queen Victoria was by most accounts a decent sort, but even she used to get her back door kicked in by her Indian manservant'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'With great power comes overused cliches.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the french aristocracy were callous and depraved'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most aristocracy are callous and depraved'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I can't think of any hereditary aristocracy with any meaningful power that isn't corrupt and callous'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not necessarily'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'the only differance is that the French were pwn by the peasants, and the peasants got to write the history records'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'd confiscate the crown estate and hand it back to the people from which they stole it from in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that may beggar the UK'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and who did they steal it from in turn? Actually, how did anyone come to own land or estates?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? they can still be figureheads if they like, still rattle around buckingham palace, dumbarse japanese tourists wouldn't know any difference'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i say tax the extremely rich'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was stolen by billy the conqueror's tax collectors after 1066, and again by Henry 8th, probably some others'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the usual arbitrary seizure, bit like american mortgage companies are doing right now'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Billy?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"William"'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'you think the people william the conquerer stole it from acquired it peacefully?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some was conquerored, some was settled'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i say tax the extremely rich, especially when their earnings are resource-based (the pwople are supposed to benefit from the resources, neither the rich few nor the exploitive foreigners)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at that early time, quite a lot was settled'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'if it was settled, it was because the prior owners had been driven off'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there were no prior owners'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'like hell. it's been settled for a long damn time, and groups of people drove each other off the land in dribs and drags for ages'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'it's not sensible to steal anything based on that their great great great great grandfather stole it'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or lived there over generations'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nods, homersimpson'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'so? the current owners have had it for even more generations'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, so that justifies wholesale arbitrary usurping of peoples properties?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'nope, but it does justify not going back and trying to figure out who the potential descendants are of someone driven off the land a thousand years ago'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'well, dig up some anchient king and blame him for it then'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't do that'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'besides, Tigernuts, you do not deserve a say in the British affairs (since you are not 100% British)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd not be able to track descendants, you could only split it, sell it and/or split the proceeds amongst the population'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which would give everyone how much again?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'and in what way would that make any sense? how is it theirs?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'then perhaps the brits should also hand back all they stole during their centuries of colonialism?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'deb already did, elf'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'note that Tigernuts is talking like a Communist, talking of confiscating from the Royalty and giving back to the people'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'crown property portfolio alone is worth over $14bn'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'which divided among the population of britain would give them about 220 pounds'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tiger, everyting? How do you give back freedom to ppl that lost it? Or give back order to a place that was without turmoil before brits and was in turmoil when they left? It soon becomes an impossible task to sort out.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i wouldnt mind 200 pounds worth of cash'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lukesmart: 'what about flesh'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't, ElF'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only solution is not to invade places and suck them dry in the first place. UK kinda learnt that and stopped, the US are still going'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'we made a business out of it'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'splitting it up would give a negligible amount of cash to everyone and set a really terrible precedent with respect to confiscating property for the 'greater good' - one of the stupidest ideas i've seen.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'great business, you're now bankrupt :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'empires ALWAYS go bankrupt'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'come collect?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '220 pounds per citizen is pocket change -- i say let the Royalty keep the crown property portfolio, and deport the Communists attempting to foment sedition and treason'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade looks wryly at Tigernuts
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if you want the royalty, you can have them'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'we have plenty of royalty here'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iceland recently wrote of a substantial amount of it's people's debts'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'off*'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i guess when all you have is a land of ice you can be nice'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it was very popular in the rest of the world'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alternative to confiscating the Crown estate is to turn it into a sovereign wealth fund'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'no, both alternatives are theft'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'it's theirs, deal with it'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, so guillotine it is then?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'but they are rich, no fair'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'sure, dig up old king george and chop his head'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'which george?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'all of them'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'just to make sure?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thinking if you want to tax the rich, Zade, you're going to have to tax businesses on their national turnover not their profit'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe 20% of profits or 1% of turnover whichever is higher'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'going to need a small guillotine for the new george'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, Harperon, just do what the Chinese do with all the extra babies they confiscate at gunpoint from women who already have a kid - render it down for spare parts'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or you could adjust for all financial/ip type transactions and say that if related profits were taxed at at rate of less than 20%, you have to pay local taxes anyway (with some deductions, of course)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be almost impossible to track, Tinada, i was trying to come up with the simplest solution possible'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the British Royalty are popular in the UK, and in the world'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the problem isn't that creating the relevant tax legislation is extremely complicated, nor is it that civilized nations can't track the relevant types of transaction'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they never will be able to'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's more a case of all the great powers have their own little loopholes and favoured tax havens'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'so that you can legitimately move your profits around, and no one is trying to stop you'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'The problem is that as soon as you try to rewrite tax legislation, you'll get corporations who sponsor senators threatening to withdraw support if they don't vote the way they want.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'all this silly double irish, dutch sandwich kind of stuff is easy to stop if you really want to'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'The entire system is corrupt, and the only ones who could possibly fix it are the corrupted.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the problem is the "really want to" part'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's actually not easy to stop'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'cant change anything, don't bother reading about it.. just keep living'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is an entire industry who specialise in finding new ways to get around existing tax laws. It will -always- be a cat and mouse game'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence just tax turnover'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like tithing'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, from a legal or accounting point of view it is not hard to stop those types of tax regime arbitrage, from a political point of view it has so far been impossible'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not true, Tinada, you could never have a political system responsive enough to ban each individual avoidance scheme as it came up'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at any rate all the stuff you read about in the newspapers is easy enough to stop given international transactions'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would have to physically monitor and investigate -every- foreign transaction to deduce it's validity to achieve your end'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's just not practical'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't need to ban any and all schemes, I need a principle based legislative system and rules that tie down typical types of profit'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or make the tax system such that there is no material gain in gaming the system'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the difficulties of creating the legislation is seriously overrated, and that is, imo, one of the marketing tricks of the evil side - "this can't be stopped anyway, so don't bother trying"'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'heck, give me 2 weeks and I'll write the rules myself, I've studied enough international tax law'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while there are countries, you won't stop it'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, I agree that it may not be politically possible, but technically it is entirely feasible to stop the legal tax planning.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where you have a business distributed across multiple jurisdictions, it's not possible to untangle where the money is made'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flat rate of corporation tax 20% of profits or 1% of turnover based in that country. Job done, save all that money and effort move onto the next job'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'It is, however, possible for each nation to implement global taxation regimes with rebates for taxes already paid. Given international agreement, there simply won't be anywhere to hide from that kind of rule.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there'll never be such a global agreement, and neither should one be attempted'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'perhaps not, but the difficulties lie in politics, not in law or accounting'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the difficulties lie in politics'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'american congress has a 10% approval raiting.. 75% will get reelected.."congress sucks, but my guy is good"'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a perfect world we wouldn't need police'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it wouldn't really take more than, say, the US implementing that kind of rule aggressively, and it would happen'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yeah, because the US isn't run by greedy corporations who would stop such a bill dead in it's tracks'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'however, the US runs the #1 corporate tax paradise in Delaware, so fat chance of that happening'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: '..which makes Obama complaining about Cayman Islands olympic class hypocrisy, or maybe he really is ignorant, who knows.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'FARTBONGO 1!'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while you're at it, can you tear up our stupid tax code and replace it with a simple flat rate income and sales tax?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and raise the minimum wage)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'lol?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'flat rate isn't the way to go.  The hard part is figuring out how much income you own on, not the tax table.'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flate rate is -always- the way to go'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'companies making record high profits, paying their empoloyees what the market will allow.. min wage is a farce'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'if there was a demand for a job, it would get paid more'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are more workers than jobs, Grugach, that's kinda the point'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'it favors the rich more than the current system is that the goal?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'chinese rule it'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'too many people'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what happens when you export your entire manufacturing base to China and your entire call center base to India'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'we are importing people on h1b visas now adays too..'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'getting sanjay and his family into america under the pretense of working for a company..you better bet he will work for cheaper and love the company'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because your government is packed full of greedy corporate stooges and complete retards'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'and we run the world..kinda scary when you think about it'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and how'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people only don't like flat rate taxation because some twerp leftie thinks it's unfair for everyone to pay the same proportion of their income in tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'leftie?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'wouldnt it be the rich that would be againsta  flat tax?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the richer are supposed to pay more (not less)'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ultra-rich are against flat rate tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the richer would pay more, zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the greedy rich are for paying far less than the flat-rate-tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a problem with the current system, not a proprosed new flat rate system'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i have a cpa i pay a good amount every year to make sure i pay the least amount possible..free market!'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'which tax system is the most fair?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flat rate, clearly'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and the proposal to tax the extremely rich merely 20% is yet too low a tax-rate'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and I think that the poor are against it the most'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rate is entirely dependant upon the funding requirement, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'they believe, or at least here, that tax should increase with income'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'well they are poor, obv they arent too smart'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is because they don't fully understand the problem, ElF'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone who earns minimum wage here pays a higher proportion in taxes than someone in the top tax bracket who doesn't dodge tax, this despite the fact that a minimum wage earner pays no income tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'but rich people buy more things and pay more sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting a graduated sales tax dependant on how much you spend?'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no doubt you have the ideal solution, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i'm sugessting i pay more in taxes because i buy more stuff'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might be you do, that's part of the reason poor people pay more in tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd love to meet Prince Charles'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/video-game-news/10506017/NSA-and-GCHQ-spies-operated-in-games-including-World-of-Warcraft-and-Second-Life.html'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are Whig and Zane spies?'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a new members-only supermarket is opening 20 stores in the UK. It will sell overstock, end of line, and mispackaged food from all major supermarkets at 66% of RRP. TO qualify for membership you need to be on one of a number of welfare programs'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a tad offended at this discrimatory behaviour'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm not...some food banks require demonstration of eligibility as well'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'm sure there's plenty of those on welfare who will sell their membership cards ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk, you are offended because you don't get to eat defective food (or because you are eligible to eat the defective food)'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and there's certainly lots of really rich folks that got that way by pinching every penny using places like that'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody said it was defective food, zade, it's perfectly fective food'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even full price food is occasionally defective'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps if the supermarkets didn't gouge and abuse right up the supply chain then there'd be less people in need of food banks and cut price supermarket clubs'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'costs need to reflect the true cost of things'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is why i support bringing back the milk market board, and lifting the minimum wage to £8 an hour'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, I used to work for a grocery store chain that was owned by a dutch firm which sounded like a-hole :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'Royal Ahold was the world's 3rd largest grocery conglomerate at the time, many years ago'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i try very hard to buy produce directly from producers these days'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I'd like to buy bananas directly from producers, but haven't gotten to the caribbean yet :('
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might be difficult, but meat, milk, and veg you can, plus seasonal fruits'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did the price of cheese and milk increase with or without the milk board -- here in Canada, milk and cheese is kept expensive by the milkboard, so i avoid milk - healthy choice - too much cheese is bad'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod, we go to amish farmer's market'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'milk board here ensured the farmers got a fair price. WHen it was abolished, the growing supermarket cartels forced the price down below the production cost and much of our dairy industry went bankrupt, were bought out by said cartels, or just ended up shipping in inferior milk from abroad'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the usual corporatist bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bring in flat rate tax!'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'bring in fair taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flat rate tax IS fair tax!'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bring back high taxes onto the extremely rich - the more the extremely rich earn, the higher the tax rate (but not too high (to be fair))'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that sounds like a socialist hell and a pathway to receive less tax, zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you suggested a low tax-rate for the poor (or government support and no tax at all), and a flat tax-rate for the middle class with decent jobs, and then an increasing higher tax-rate onto the extremely rich, ...'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are multiple instances in both UK and US recent history to show that when you make taxes very high for the rich, tax take goes down, and when you reduce it, the tax take goes up'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i suggest a flat rate tax for all income levels and a decent minimum wage'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anda  removal of all the regressive taxation and duties that really hurt the poor in the UK, such as local property tax, fuel duty, cigarette and alcohol duties, green levies on electric'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and the employment tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the tax rate in Britain was ludicrous where the UK government was seemingly attempting to tax at a rate greater than 100%'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'I say cut the tax on cigs and alcohol in half... more people would buy'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a period where we had top rate of tax and inheritance tax at 98%'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Apparently the NSA has created characters in World of Warcraft and Second Life in order to snoop on terrorists. Have they forgotten about Aardwolf?'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Beatles song "Taxman" parodied this -- was the song a lie'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already pointed that out, Tipro, Zade and Whig are the suspects'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro peers intently at Zade.
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess you could consider a 98% income tax + a sales tax could push you over 100'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so if the UK seems to wobble between ludicrous extremes ...'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what extremes do you think it wobbles on?'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '.. too much tax or not enough tax ..'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's too much tax atm, and too much spending'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but more too much spending than too much tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '50% of the tax take goes on the welfare budget, 50% on the health service, and the remaining 33% on everything else'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in the USA: too much tax on the middle class (which is soon going to be the poor classc, and not enough tax on the extremely rich'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to address corporatism and corporate taxation to solve the tax on the rich'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rich don't -pay- income tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US and UK share one problem, we both allowed the very rich in charge to export all of the jobs to china'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'based on UK's current insane spending, if you reduced the duties down to levels that cover their respective costs, and just had income tax, corporation tax and sales tax, income tax would need to be 33%, sales and corporation tax 20%, and even that might not be enough'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could save a lot of money in administration by reforming the 10,000 page tax code down to under 100 :-), you'd also need to ditch most of the welfare'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, that is cruel, to starve the poor'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think any of that would starve the poor?:'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'lets just tax everyone over 65 100% they don't need it'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they tax folk in France up to 125% of their income.'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pensioners here are among the poorest, ontuct'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so, Ontuct, you don't intend to reach 65'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll be dead by 65, but most people my age won't be able to retire until 75'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'planning an early death?'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'the males in my family generally don't make 65'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, but i've got health requirements that are not met by our socialised single payer health care system that rations care based on cost'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'c'mon Zade, you can't just make up assertions like that without backing them up'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'tiger: I think you need an introduction...meet Zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a commie NSA operative, maybe?'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, Chemosh was also suspicious that i was part of a sinister organisation - You are not going crackers, are you'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well you could alay our suspicions by answering the question :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(in a Patrick McGoohan voice) "i am not a number, i am a human."   "But that would be telling."'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'll take that as endorsement of my tax/welfare plans'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"On December 3, the House of Representatives passed a bill banning the manufacture, possession, and sale of plastic guns. So overwhelming was the support for the measure that the rules were suspended and it was passed by voice vote."'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'further destruction of the 2nd ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they'd been banned for years'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illegally banned then too'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Mr Rockefeller has introduced a Senate CyberSecurity bill that aims to do away with internet privacy'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is odd, since it's dressed up as a bill that reports to protect online privacy'
T3/r7/2013-12-09.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think to this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CP1j04_X4Oo'
T3/r7/2013-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in tonight's news, Arizona man banned from Walmart for life for comparing prices'
T3/r7/2013-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Obama shakes Castro's as part of his "No Tyrant Left Behind" program'
T3/r7/2013-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'During a memorial service for Nelson Mandela in Johannesburg today, President Barack Obama challenged leaders who supported Mandelas struggle for freedom but 'do not tolerate dissent from their own people,' a stunning piece of hypocrisy given that the Obama administration has aggressively pursued dissenters at every turn, from punitive targeting of Tea Party groups via the IRS to the unprecedented prosecution of whistleblowers.'
T3/r7/2013-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess i should be glad that the UK prime minister doesn't pretend to be anything except a thieving elitist fudgepacker with an enormous inheritance and no experience of life outside the political bubble'
T3/r7/2013-12-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'where were you when congress considered doing something vaguely reasonable assuming they can get it through both houses and get it signed by the President?  (they may actually have a budget agreement)'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have you seen latest budget bill suggested by that idiot Ryan Seacrest? (or is it Paul Ryan?)'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, 7yr old gets permanent reprimand on his school record for kissing (concensually) a 6yr old girl in his class on the hand'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and, John Kerry makes another "John Kerryism" by criticising heavyhanded tactics by Riot Police in Ukraine, while turning a blind eye to police brutality in his own country'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '30,000 people will die in the UK this winter from cold'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'do you mean that 30,000 more people will die in the UK than would in an equavalent period of spring or fall?'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or do you mean specific cold caused deaths?'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'by the Daily Mail definition'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '"Pensioners were worse affected by the 31,000 additional deaths, which are calculated by comparing the death rates from the non-winter months to those that occur between December and March, the ONS report states."'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so the former'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thanks, no big news there.'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'makes a good newspaper headline'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sure'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'US might hit 100k this year'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but its a pretty meaningless number'
T3/r7/2013-12-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still sad to see pensioners struggling because tehy cannot afford to adequately heat their home'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'slow news day?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than Tom Rice (Cong. Rep S.Carolina) sponsoring a resolution to bring Obama to court'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'for what?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not faithfully executing laws'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'pretty sure thats one of those things he would have to be impeached for before he could be tried or sued.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's essentially what it would be, for picking and choosing what parts of his laws he wants to enforce, in contravention of article 2, section 3 of the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those americans here will know that that article defines the role of President: "He shall from time to time give to the Congress information of the state of the union, and recommend to their consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in case of disagreement between them, with respect to the time of adjournment, he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper; he shall receive ambassadors and other public ministers; he shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed, and shall commission all the officers of the United States."'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"he may adjourn them to such time as he shall think proper" - that is an interesting concept'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's powerless without them'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'only in a case of disagreement between them i think'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts is agreeing with that Emm person again...
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simialr power to the queen here being able to dissolve the parliament and call elections in the case of a vote of no confidence'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course some people these days would say that looking to the constitution as anything other than a historical curiousity is pointless.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't think that, but I run into it more and more these days.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those people have a name: Traitor'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or: enemy of democracy'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think they are more likely just saying that congress pretty much ignores it these days and the courts let them so its pratically of little value'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever your thoughts of any issues, your democracy will work best when the rules laid down by the constitution are followed'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yeah, it's because it's been eroded that the US is in dire straits'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'like a few years back Ron Paul asked the then speaker what part of the constitution the law under discussion got it's authority from, and she responded with "Are you kidding me?"'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'd not have (as many) foreign excursions, certainly not random bombings with drones, no NSA spying, had you been following the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that kinda highlights the problem does it not?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I would say it is a problem, I am not sure it is the biggest problem we have but whatever.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the biggest problem you have with governance'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(not policy)'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should feel lucky, we in the UK don't have a written constitution, we don't have anything to measure government against which means they get away with creeping tyranny without notice and without redress'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's quite gutting to know the US -had- the constitution but is pissing it up the wall'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am not sure a written constitution is necessary to keep government accountable, and I am sure it isn't sufficient.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not sufficient, but it's certainly helpful'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'A friend of mine at law school and I have discussed several times whether the US needs a page 1 rewrite of its constitution'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think what is needed is the occasional revolution to sort it out'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's not much wrong with the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a new continental convention and a much more specific document'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the biggest problem with the consitution is that it is vague.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in what sense is it vague?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'like what are the "privileges and immunities" of a US citizen?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'referenced in which part?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and what does "necessary and proper" to the execution of the other clauses'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'privilages and immunities is amendment 14'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'necessary and proper might be context sensitive, but aren't vague'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'necessary and proper is article 1 section 9 iirc'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and what does "regulate interstate commerce" mean?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, so 14th ammendment is refering to citizenship'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'these days with the politicians favoring the extreme rich and disregarding the middle class, a "Page 1" rewrite of the constitution is likely to be a "constitution from hell, a horrid hell",'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'does it mean, as SCOTUS has since 1939 tended to answer, anything that in any way touches interstate commerce can be done whatever congress wants with?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that of course depends on who is doing the writing Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'commerce between states as opposed to within a state is what it commonly means'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'presumably if there was sufficient wide-spread general discontent to kick off a constitutional convention the people going to it wouldn't be the same people in power today.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than tidying up the language, there's little in the constitution i'd change'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'almost a foregone conclusion that those with the most money to spend (and bribe with) are going to rewrite the constitution "totally in their favour"'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so the guy who grows grain on his own land and uses it on his own land and never crosses state lines with it should be able to be regulated by congress or not?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's as good reason as ever to defend it as it is, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, Emm, should be regulated by the state'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not according to SCOTUS'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then the SCOTUS is wrong'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because not participating in the interstate grain market affects it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'irrelevant or bad logic, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you aren't going to be able to make a constitutional document that covers every single possibility that could exist, it lays out the basic rights, principles, and roles of the constituent parts of the government'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was made clear that the federal government provided for the defence of the country, and regulate interstate/foreign trade, citizenship, courts'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am not saying we can get it perfect, I am saying that we could do a lot better than we did 240 years ago'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could, but i'm saying there isn't a great deal wrong with it'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if you won't follow it as it is, what's the point of changing it again?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'most modern constitutions use the US constitution as a base model, but then go on to be much more specific about protections against government scope creep.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'creep is the biggest problem you have right now'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and THAT is what we would need to write out of it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'central government is WAY more pervasive than it was designed to be, that's why it's so dysfunctional'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm is agreeing with that Tigernuts person again...
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but like Zade said, there's no chance in hell that it could be written now in a way that would benefit the people'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think that remains to be seen'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's not because of any one party, but because of both'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the entire existence of the two party system is part of the problem'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're subject to the same issue here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and that really is a failing of the written document'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I thought there were actually some viable minority parties in UK though because of the whole list system'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, there isn't'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK system is set up to preserve the power of the monolithic two parties'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'exactly the same as the US'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'labour, conservative, liberal?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'labour/conservative'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'is the liberal party just dead?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much, but they're essentially labour too'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'much like the way the democrats in the US aren't liberal, the liberal democrats in the UK aren't liberal anymore'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in the same way that in the USA that the establishment machine moves to villify any third party or reforming elements within the existing party, the same thing happens here'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why UKIP, a potential third party here, won't succeed because the monoliths unite to discredit them, same true with true reformers in the GOP like Paul'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'either that or the movements get taken over by the same forces that control the monoliths (as happened to the tea party)'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the current laws of the USA are already corrupted (with the deregulations of finances and the media, with the laws handing resources to the rich at minimal financial renumeration to the government revenues, with tax rates extremely low to the rich, et cetera), so those that lipservice "defend the constitution" are merely stating "defend the current corruption"'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the first few months of the tea party they were doing awesome stuff, then they slowly morphed into the ultra right wing of the republican party'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, though the tea party do seem to have split itself from the takeover arm, by the looks'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has the benefits of being a grass roots movement'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'originally tea party was completely neutral on the social issues, or even a little bit liberal leaning on them'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but now they are run by social conservatives'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'definitely an interesting war going on in the GOP. THough it's pretty fucked up when you're rooting for the tea party as i'd prefer dealing with some slightly mad christian fundamentalists with daft ideas but who are at least honest and principled, up against corrupt corporate interests that make up what are often called the "moderate" gop'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're meaning me, and many people generally'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the tea-party is likely a "grass roots puppet movement" to support the rich agenda of beggaring middle-class USA'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh hush, zade, they are so not'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is now'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it wasn't originally'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the koch brothers own the tea party now'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those grass roots still exist'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and they still hold some people in the gop, just not many'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ebut notice both sides, democrat and republican attack them'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know what the solution is, your best bet might be to chase out the bad congressmen and put decent people in'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were me, i'd try and take over at a local/state level and start flexing power via the 10th ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you have any better ideas, i'd love to hear it'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have any ideas for my own country, i truly believe UK is screwed, i'd happily emmigrate could i afford it'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if there was anyplace that was better'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Chile is looking the least worst option right now'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'new zealand is pretty good, but there is that whole everything on the island is deadly to humans thing just like australia '
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'new zealand isn't all that, it and australia are also both extremely expensive'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite a conservative change in australia, it's still pretty authoritarian and NWO'ish'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'add to the mix that it's a foregone conclusion that we'll be having a world war in the next 20 years'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't think that is a foregone conclusion'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'depending on what you mean by world war'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's inevitable, china will need to expand, it'll be a fight over money'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why will china need to expand, and why woudl that matter to anyone not in south east asia?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they will expand into the USA'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and because USA won't let them expand anywhere else'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I mean frankly if they took over burma, north korea, cambodia, etc. I wouldn't care a fig.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'espcially as USA's economy tanks'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately whether you care or not makes no difference'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as long as they don't go after japan or india I say let them go for it'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, they'll square up to Japan and South Korea pretty early on'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well time will tell'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of those two will be the flash point, it's already starting'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you've already got the posturing going on'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am still waiting for japan to become an international disaster area due to fukushima'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'all my conspiracy theory friends seem to think its going to happen eventually'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think even if it IS a disaster they'll admit to it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'any "bad" congressman that are "chased out" are going to be replaced by those that are either rich or are funded by the rich, which likely means apprentice "bad" congressmen as the replacements - "out with the old bad, in with the new bad"'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'way to non-sequitar there zade.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already a disaster, Emm, thyroid conditions among the youth in Japan has rocketed off the charts'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the reactors themselves are deteriorating, they're not stable, they're not saved, any further large earthquake will screw it up worse'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'apprentices require funding, and that money comes from the rich'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and they lack the expertise or any kind of plan or funding to fix it'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I was meaning more like, evacuate everyone cause people are dying in the streets type disaster'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, it won't be that bad, it wasn't that bad in Chernobyl'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but it'll be millions of people made very ill'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'my friend says that it is actually several orders of magnitude worse than chernobyl'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, they're wrong'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chernobyl was an explosion, fukishima is a slow leak'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I haven't seen the data to make an informed opinion'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have, fukishima will do long term damage, but isn't a life exterminating event'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'true but chernobyl had only a tiny fraction of the fissible material or electric capacity of fukishima'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if EVERYTHING that could go wrong at fukushima really did go wrong it would be really bad.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if all of fukishima's fissile material were to "go up" all of a sudden, it would be equivalent to about 80% of the pollution caused by the nuclear tests in the pacific in the 1950s'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'haha'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is bad, but not world ending bad'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chernobyl killed relatively few people directly, but has had 16 million excess cancer cases attributed to it over the last 27 years'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fukishima will be similar'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'luminous japanese peopel'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I was pretty sure that noone had actually been killed by radiation poisoning from chernobyl'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, they did, was like 130odd, mostly rescue workers'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hmm interesting'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people gave up their lives to stabalise it and put a roof over it, they knew it was a death sentence'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, that blatant obliviousness and flippant disregard (of the tragedies from radiation contamination) is extremely callous'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what on earth are you wittering about, zade?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he might be refering to your luminious japanese people comment tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that would qualify as flippant'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would question the wisdom of a country that builds ancient design nuclear power stations on a fault line'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, i wouldn't reccommend eating fish out of the pacific anytime soon, and if you live on the west coast under the wind path, or in the way of ocean currents from there, stock up on iodine'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well assuming fukushima never gets signficantly worse than 3MI or Chernobyl then nuclear power industry still kills less people per per decade than coal kills every year'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'coal?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as in coal mines?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'coal'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'coal mines, coal burning, C14 radiation poisoning, etc, etc. etc.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'modern coal stations output co2 and water, nothing else. There have been no reported casualties in coal stations in the UK in my lifetime, though most of them have been shut down due to dumbarse EU rules'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats just not true'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they output NOx, SO2, Lead, Mercury, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mexican and chinese ones might, british ones do not'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they have scrubbers to remove all the nasties, they complained bitterly at the added cost, but had to do it to meet new emission standards'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'http://www.iea-coal.org.uk/documents/83083/8631/Trace-element-emissions-from-coal,-CCC/203'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is no such thing as a 100% scrubber'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suspects that Emm does not know what "non-sequitur" means, either that or was unable to comprehend the obvious "sequitur"
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the levels may be down below the legal limits (although not all of the US's are)'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if you're going to count trace levels, then no power source is clean so we might as well give up and go back to the stone age'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zade I think you are lagging your comments seem to be a dozen minutes old.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats a false dichotomy tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'natural gas is cleaner than coal, wind and solar are cleaner than natural gas (even including construction)'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'just because nothing is perfect doesn't mean we shouldn't strive for excellence'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'natural gas might be, but has limited volumes'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rest isn't usable'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what do you mean isn't usable yet?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we use wind and solar extensively now'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wind and solar cannot, does not, and will not ever be a solution to the UK's energy needs'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it isn't ready to take over 100% of our needs, but that doesn't mean it isn't usable'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it isn't about meeting all the needs'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, but that's the only technologies they're pushing, and doing so by impoverishing everyone rather than investing in genuine scalable renewables such as hydroelectric, tidal and geothermal'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'its about deveopin a portfolio that is better than the one we currently use'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's not better than what we currently use'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I just got a quest to kill a wind turbine'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I should fail it on political grounds?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(at least it's what's happening here in the UK) - we've closed down all our home grown fossil fuel sources, spent an absolute fortune on stupid wind turbines, we've got a crisis brewing because our energy resources are now falling to a level where it may not meet demand'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'energy prices are rocketing, old people are freezing to death and everyone else is squealing, all because of stupid laws, not because of any actual shortage'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given our energy markets are operated by a cartel of 6 corporations, you may have heard the term that is appropriate here "false scarcity"'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the real answer is to attach prices to emissions and let the market sort it out.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but getting the correct prices is difficult'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is entirely the wrong answer'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's entirely the wrong answer because that's the solution they've tried already that's failed'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you accept that emissions are externalities it is the only reasonable solution'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the right answer would be to gradually ramp up emission targets, empower green energy with tax breaks, and use tax money to directly build green solutions rather than just raping people to give cash to Al Gore'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'unless you want to go back to the center of the earth to infinity property rights and ban any emission'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure what that means'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which part?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'center of the earth stuff'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'original property theory'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that land owners owned all the volume from the center of the earth to infinity'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that their land intersected'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK is totally reliant on foreign energy companies right now, a big part of the energy solution here is to make the country energy self sufficient'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why? why not just buy your electricity from france they have enough nuclear plants to power england too yes?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's inefficient to transmit over long distances, it's expensive, and it's insecure'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need smaller scale generation on a localised basis'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you certainly don't want more nuclear power'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'sure I do - clean and safe'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I mean as long as it is modern designs'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and the french seem to be doing it better than anyone else'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not clean and safe, you still need to mine the uranium ore, you still need to store the waste forever'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'plus they aren't on the ring o ire.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're also insanely expensive'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'stupid f ey'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I need a new keyboard'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suspects that Emm does not know what "false dichotomy" means, unless a "false dichotomy" is a form of "non sequitur" falsely attempting to connect separate and disjoint situations and or contexts
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we live on an island, we should be using tidal and hydroelectric'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I haven't seen a tidal reactor that could produce at cheaper than 45 cents per kWh'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'am I missing something?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'even class 1 wind is better than that'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wind is $2,21/kwh'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nuclear is $1.08 excluding decomissioning and storage costs'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you have your numbers way off'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you sure you aren't thinking of dollars per MWh ?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, factor of 10 out'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tidal is still in development phase though, certainly a developing technology'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and we have to think about what is physically available'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'wait you claimed wind and solar are uselessly inefficient, then you talk about how great tidal power is?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, harperon, we don't have regular sun or wind, we have regular tidal'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes tidal should get better eventual, but it is currently well behind wind and solar'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'two tides a day, every day of the year without fail'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'just overbuild wind and use pump storage hydro'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have the space for that, emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it would still be cheaper than tidal'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you don't?????'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you are surrounded by oceans!'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and 2010 estiamtes had tidal at 155-390/mwh compared to 150-210 for offshore wind'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'debate those seem like reasonable numbers to me'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tidal is likely more expensive to maintain'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and onshore wind is like 60-150'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tidal onshore is 80-110, but space is an issue, people hate them'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what generator for freshwater tida gets 110 or less per MWH LCOE?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I haven't seen anything anywhere near that good'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea, but i'm constantly hearing of new methods of tidal generation'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tidal turbines are likely sensitive to collisions -- may disrupt aquatic lifeforms'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there are solutions to that zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no worse than wind power affects birds'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the noise from loud ship engines disrupts some aquatic lifeforms'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'signficantly less so tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and that is itself overblown'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't say so. you can't compare disruption between sea and air because they're not comparable. In terms of turbine affecting birds, that's ongoing work'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'then then, Tigernuts is callously flippant as per usual'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if the US built enough wind turbines to meet 100% of its electricity needs entirly in migratory paths it would still kill less birds per year than the existing cities already do.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and don't even get me started on what burning fossil fuels does to birds'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the entire wind turbines kill birds thing is a red herring created by the koch brothers.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'less than a lot is yet possible to be a lot'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'studies are ongoing'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I have read the studies'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not disasterous, but they're certainly not helpful'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'one of my classmates just did her disertation on this subject'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose data did they use?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'pretty much everyones'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the highest estimates for the US are around 400,000 birds per year'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the noise from wind turbines also affects some humans -- those humans evolved to be sensitive to sound vibrations'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as compared to the 300,000,000 to 1,000,000,000 killed each year by collision with buildings'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'another red herring zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those numbers sound dubious'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is absolutely NO statistically significant evidence of any such thing.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well they are from the american bird conservatory'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'both the 400k and the 300m-1B'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt the entire bird population of the uk is anywhere close to 1b'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they generally have the highest estimates of anyone who actually collects data'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I said US'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sheesh'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so if we had 100times the wind turbines we do now (which would be more than 100% of our current energy needs)'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we would be killing about 40 million birds'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'assuming linear relationships'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which is still about 1/10th the minimum estimate for buidlings'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think you can assume linear relationships, but still you'd probably need much more if you were to be 100% wind powered'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am not saying the effect isn't worht studying, I am just saying it isn't worth making decisions from.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'using fermi calculations because we are just trying to get ballpark answers here tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some humans are unable to reside near high-voltage electric lines (those held high by those high metal towers that crackle when there is rain)  -- [does not affect me, but maybe i am more evolved to be unaffected, or maybe there is some other explanation]'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still, a good MIX of sources is the best plan, but still stick by the localised distributed production using whatever is to hand and reliable. That means tidal, hydroelectric, solar, wind where it's windy, you have to use fossil fuel to plug the gaps and provide the backup'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we currently get 3.5% of our energy from wind.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'assuming 70% efficiency for pumped storage'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5.3% for UK as of 2012'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we should need about 40 times as many turbines as we have now'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'assuming of course that they were in the same class of wind zones as they are now'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since we have stuff from class 1 all the way to class 6 now that seams reasonable'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and we have no reason to believe that birds will get less good at avoiding wind turbines just because there are more of them.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm is saying that killing 440 million birds is as okay as killing 400 million birds'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd rather we didn't kill any'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no I am saying that killing 40 millino birds isn't as bad as killing 400 million'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'it depends on the bird.  I'm in favor of killing 400 million starlings but not 400 million parakeets'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so before we decide to stop wind development maybe we should look at ways to reduce bird deaths from cities'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yeah can we just build the turbines in the migratory paths of crows?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i already said, wind isn't reliable so you shouldn't be putting all your eggs in one basket'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'isn't the logical answer nuclear?  why not 100% nuclear'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jynsuun: 'Its natural selection, birds running into turbines'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hey, i like crows, they are intelligent birds'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir . o O ( dafq )
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'those darn markets and price signals'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nuclear is expensive'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only reason we have nuclear at all is because government pays for all the decomissioning and waste storage costs'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'crows are smarter than zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the only way it competes'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yeah nuclear without subsidies is almost twice as expensive as ng, coal, or wind'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but then if we price carbon at the current cost of disposal then coal and even natural gas become prohibitively expensive'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just get the tidal and hydroelectric going, stick solar and wind where it's appropriate and plug the gaps with coal and gas while you're developing the technology, and stop trying to fiddle the markets and creating bogus fear and laws that end up taking tax payers money and giving it to arseholes like Al Gore'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sod the carbon pricing, we already have a cost of living crisis here'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so you aren't a libertarian then tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vaguely libertarian'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you understand the concept of an externality?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's mostly bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'its axiomatic'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it's not'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'see Ronald Coase'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a tool that people use to push whatever agenda they see fit'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the target is affordable, localised energy that isn't reliant on fossil fuels,'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'energy that is safe and as toxin-free as is reasonably possible'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all other factors are secondary'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so if my business has to kill a few people to be efficient that is okay?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would it have to kill a few people?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats what you are arguing for'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no I'm not'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you want energy that kills as few people as is reasonably possible'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'where in my argument did i stipulate that we need energy that kills as many people as possible?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never mentioned killing anyone'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i said as safe and toxin free as is reasonably possible'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '" as toxin-free as is reasonably possible"'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which literally means, "kills as few people as is reasonably possible"'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't imply killing people, sulphur dioxide is a toxin, it doesn't kill people'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'actually it does, it increases asthma deaths'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when you drink water, it contains toxins, your water supply is given to you containing as few toxins as possible'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you're stepping into a realm of demanding absolutes - the world doesn't work like that'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not at all, I am just trying to see what you are willing to acept'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if you did away with all power generationa ltogether, you'd guarantee no deaths from it, but instead you'd have deaths from people not having power'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'for me I think that the market should decide what wins, but the true price should be used'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which means that all externalities need to be internalized'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our existing power generation kills very few people'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if any'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats just not true'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then who has died?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'coal miners die every year'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the UK they don't'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the # of deaths due to a host of coal mining related illnesses are higher in communities near coal mines'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the # of deaths per year from asthma is higher around coal plants'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and that doesn't even get into things like mercury, lead, etc'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the cost in lives of having no heating?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'electric blankets are cheap to operate'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'would probably be more'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reduction in life expectancy from living in poverty?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'debate which is why you need to price everything out'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and let the market take care of the results'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're trying to drastically over-intellectualise this'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ideally you setup mechanisms so that externalities get priced by the market itself'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but that can be hard to do sometimes'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'production risks are already priced in by the health and safety laws that already exist'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'regulations do very little to actually deal with externalities'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'necessarily'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they are a third best solution'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only examples where that's not been the case are nuclear power, chernobyl, fukishima'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is one of the reasons i don't favour it'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you are completely wrong'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nuclear, while it has its problems and I don't particularly favor it, actually has a lot less externalities than coal'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a credible statement'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'be that as it may it is a true statement.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then move to france!'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't speak french'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then invade'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'also there are other reasons that france sucks'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'one is their food'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'two is their fashion'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'three is the smell'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps the poor pensioners in the UK are likely too poor to purchase decent reliable electric blankets, or there are other reasons that explains the winter death in the UK from the cold: power blackouts, lack of proper nutrition (from a diminished ability to travel in winter to food outlets and food banks)'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'does it smell bad in frace?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm off to bed, whatever the solution is, it's probably not being reliant on foreign powers for your energy, and gouging already struggling public for yet more money only for that money to be syphoned off into corrupt green projects'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can we at least agree on that?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what, the comedy hour on Debate is finished ...'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with the end of channel Debate station seesion, the National Anthems from a few participating countries are mentally played'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'the cool kids are on gossip'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they don't let me talk on gossip for more than a few minutes at a time these days'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'apparently everything out of my mouth that isn't a request for a corpse retrival or a question about game mechanics is a debate.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'first, the British National Anthem: "God save the Queen", and Queen Elizabeth is looking good at 87'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I'd date her :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'for her money?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'for her influence :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'be more respectful, you insolent trolls !'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'emm, you are just getting shunted to a channel that nobody has on.'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm )
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'there is only 48 of us.  2 more than the music channel'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I figured hat much'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'and 2 of those are probably imms'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I need a new podcast or netflix show to have on in background while I mud'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'any suggestions?'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'The Tudors'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they produced a horrid "Doom" film, -- did they produce a "Duke Nukem" film yet'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Descent: Freespace - there's a great tv series, but only if decently-moral heterosexuals write the storylines and storyscripts - minimise the glorification of psychological defectives, and treat the alien enemy with repect'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tvseries and movies are currenly infiltrated by too many perverts that believe that tvseries and or movies must be fool-mouthed, psychologically deranged, sexually depraved, and overall sickening'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and keep religion out of the scifi moves (there is no Jesus Christ in outer space)'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'coming soon to a movie theatre near you: "Jesus Christ: Space Cadet" -- xchan (no such movie)'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '... that is almost as stupid as asking "when a christmas tree falls in room full of deaf mutes, does the christmas tree make a sound"  (also preassumes the deaf mutes are unable to cry out in pain if the christmas tree falls on them) '
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'um ... if they're mute, they're gonna have a hell of a time crying out in pain'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'duh !'
T3/r7/2013-12-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'actually, "mutes" are yet able to produce horrid sounding unintelligible noises -- but maybe if they were euthanised and taxidermed to look like imitation dead baboons ... "99 dead baboons, sitting in a living room" '
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a lot in the news tonight'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some rubbish about various countries shooting down gay marriage laws, namely Australia'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the largest ship ever built.....the $12 billion Prelude, a floating natural gas plant that can drill in deep water.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad news for the environment, bad news for the nonrich, ..'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'wah wah wah, go make some money then.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like neutral news for the environment, good news for gas execs, neutral news for the nonrich'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Batman defeated the Penguin'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Shell Oil is planning an even larger ship to be built after the Prelude, to harvest natgas and liquify it for the Aussie/Asian market starting in 2017, and it will harvest natgas for 25 years in cyclone alley.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't worry, Riz, Zade takes the anti-rich thing to an absurd level'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'or for 2 years until Mother Nature rips it to shreds because she can.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad news for the nonrich (of later generations) - depleted resources'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in his world everyone lives in poverty and does nothing'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'some major natgas fields have been found in the indian ocean, and the new ship will harvest it in deep water.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wars will be fought over oil/gas reserves in pacific/chinese sea'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, the ship will be designed to weather the worst cyclone in the indian ocean.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so was the titanic.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the titanic had basic flaws that modern engineers do not do, since billions of dollars are at stake.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the current state of human engineering is that we simply cannot design to weather the worst that nature can throw at us'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'in other news, SE Texas usually has about 15 freeze days from November 1st to March 1st......since November 1st we have already had 20.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"basic flaws that modern engineers do not do" -->  Gulf Oil bubbly'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's global warming, Rizzer, they've had snow in Cairo too'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it snowed for 6 hours at the ranch on thanksgiving day.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'you can keep the cold weather.....I am moving to Hawaii damnit.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'm moving there too.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I've had it with winter for now'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'supposed to get down around 20 F next week....oh joy.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think the coldest nighttime we've had so far this winter was -2C, coldest day was +3'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty typical for this time of year'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'how often to you see the sun during winter Tiger?'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not often'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'At least the drought broke in Texas....all the lakes are filling back up...and some areas are even flooded.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tis hibertaining time'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is a mole, not a groundhog'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and it is currently raining here in Trinity Texas....about 2 hours north of Houston.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i usually book time off around xmas to sleep'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'man, paul walker died......idiot gets himself killed in a porsche......the worst kind of car to drive fast.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'i heard he wasn't driving, is that accurate?'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, civil war in the GOP over the shit budget passed by the turncoats'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like it will be sunk by a senate filibuster'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'at least the mega millions jackpot is $430 million.....'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wooohoo!'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hah, pirate bay moved domains yet again....that is what 6x this year ?'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no idea, but good job'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'I feel as if Barack Obama is doing a wonderful job.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at?'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Being President of the United States? '
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what job duties do you believe he is doing well at?'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'he has a good handshake'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'he picks good dogs also.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Foreign Relations. Did you see that picture of him at Mandela's funeral? Commander in Chief, bitches. Represent.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'i dunno i heard that water dog tried to run over a little kid at the tree lighting :P'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'yeah, looks good in photos'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shaking hands with castro, taking a selfie with DC and the danish PM, or giving a speech almost as hypocritical as Hitler saying we need to be kind to Jews?'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'He's trying to shake things up, man. Chill. Better him than Bush. '
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll give him credit for calming down the Iran situation and trying to get some peace there, and also for thumbing his nose at Israel'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Universal has spent $150 million on Fast and Furious 7....and only half of Walker's scenes were shot.....'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'the cold comfort of low expectations...at least he's not Bush'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in terms of job ratings, he's already at GWB levels'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think he's probably had it'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. At terms of approval, though...'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Does anyone agree with me when I say Paul Walker deserved better than to die in a red porsche? I mean seriously, does it get any worse than dying in a car offered with a free box of tampons?'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't get excited about a random actor'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Random? Bitch, please. He did -6- of the Fast and Furious movies. That's some pretty serious cheddar. '
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's fast and furious, not exactly ground breaking cinema'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'd be like praising Miley Cyrus's contribution to music'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Miley Cyrus is able to sing'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but society would be better off if she refrained :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Twerking is good for the pelvic region, though. She's helping people get fit -- and really, is there anything more important than that?'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, several'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mm, forested'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what, is Miley Cyrus not white enough or not black enough -- Tigernuts is prejudiced (with some likely ludicrous reason) against Miley Cyrus'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what was the cause of the Walker porsche crash: chauffeur error, Onstar shutoff, ECM sabotage, (deliberately) defective manufacture, .. '
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'early indication was driver error'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'could be a combination of driver error and mechanical failure.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'a flat tyre perhaps'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'can you guys try and do me a favour in 2014 and kick Boehner out of office?'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'but i like boehner in the office'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'or do us all a favour and keep him.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it doing you a favour?'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Compromise is the art of the possible.  At the moment the tea party agenda is the art of the impossible.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think you'll find it's the agenda of the not only possible but necessary'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Boehner said that after the last shutdown the tea party said well we didn't expect that to work anyway.  They put us through all that pain of the shutdown, when they knew it wouldn't do any good.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what pain did it put you through?'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'their agenda is politically impossible right now, they don't have enough members in congress, maybe in the future it will be politically possible, but it isn't now.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'i didnt get paid'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, in terms of that, absolutely agree'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'notice you didn't answer the question, though :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what pain? They shutdown the parks and many other random things.  Government workers weren't allowed to go to work, but eventually got paid.  All those problems for nothing.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the shutdown didn't close the parks, that was Obama's orders specifically'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'it was because of the shutdown, Obama couldn't just do whatever he wanted.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as for not being paid, UK folks get paid once a month, my heart bleeds for you'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was because of Obama, the park police were ordered to block off the parks. It actually meant them doing overtime to patrol the parks to make sure nobody went in them. This is well documented if you would look it up'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the republicans need to focus on cutting a few specific things.   I think food stamps are at maximmum something like $200 a month per person, you can eat on less than that while we have a budget deficit.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put it this way, from the reaction of the US media (seemingly reflected by your comments) at the non-event that was the shutdown, i really dread to think what woul happen if there were a real crisis'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there was a serious push to fix the deficit, you'd sort pull your military horns in, and pass responsibility for welfare and education back to the states where it belongs'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'compared to the UK you have an unbelievable amount of fat and excess you can trim. UK on the other hand is fucked'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'cut schools!'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts peers intently at Tormat.
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'and anyone on welfare needs to be steril!'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you haven't got a welfare problem until you've seen ours. Trust me, you don't want to let it get like ours. Once it's like ours you'll never be able to sort it out'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the government shutdown was not a non-event,  The NIH (National Institute of Health) was shutdown and couldn't approve of trials to study treatments for terminaly ill cancer patients.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'trust me i just gave you your solution'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the congress did try and make sure those things were funded, the democrats wouldn't let them'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so everyone was to blame, i thought this had already been established?'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I think the US does have some problems with welfare and social security disablility.  I'm not hopeful that it will be handled in a reasonable manner. (I don't trust Democrats or Republicans on this, but if they are forced to work together they may come up with something good. Likek welfare-to-work under Clinton with a Republican Congress.)'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both parties are flooded with incompetents'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'incompenents and career politicians with considerable lobbyish cash'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a happy combination'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I begin to wonder to what extent the elected officials really matter at all any more in the US'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so much is done by adminisrative agencies these days'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they matter to extent that they're the ones ensuring that everything remains screwed and wealth is transferred efficiently from the poor and middle classes to the uber rich, and that freedom and liberty is transferred from the people to the same ruling elite'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and the fed (ultimately controlled by the big international banks) has more power than ever.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'elected politicians make a difference, one or two fewer democrats in the senate would me no affordable care act.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have an answer for you, all i know is that you still have the capability to sort it out because you used to have a model. Where I am we don't have that chance, we've had it, aspiration is dead, we're all serfs with nothing but poverty and dependance to look forward to'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I mean when it was passed not now'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while it looks like the GOP will take the senate, there isn't enough proper republicans in teh GOP, it's dominated by rhino's, the lobbyist, israel lobby who want to bomb the shit out of the world and push all the money to the 1%'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and to hell with the american people and their liberties'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think getting your house in order in terms of re-establishing the bounds and purpose of government is more important than welfare, foreign policy, obamacare or taxes right now. Who was it submitting a bill to force all bills to be read and passed one at a time without non-related stuff being tacked on?'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sadly that wouldn't help tigernuts, unless it was a constitutional amendment which won't happen'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because the amendments wouldl all just include provisions that that rule doesn't apply to them'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't help what? it's a law regarding house procedure, it would have to stick'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as i understand it, if worded correctly they couldn't do that'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'also it would probably be unconstitutional as a law'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'congress can't pass a law that congress can't repeal (or create a stone so heavy that they can't lift it.)'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since the constitution says the house gets to make up its own rules.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well nothing is subject to not being repealed, true, but it can be used to prevent tack-ons in the meantime'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i did wonder why you guys allowed that anyway, it doesn't happen here'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Pennslyvania has a rule (I think in the state constitution) that other than the budget laws some address only one subject.  It helps, but it isn't always followed. The state supreme court tends to say if you don't like it vote them out.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well if need be, have a constitutional ammendment'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't understand why some of the crazy things are attached to unrealated bills, when they decided to end the shutdown the last time something got tacked on for a couple billion dollars for a dam somewhere.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were bribes, Malkar'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'they did provide some funding for the flood damage in Colorado when they ended the shutdown, that kind of made sense, but some of the other tack-ons were just strange.'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Doth thou have any idea what the healthcare system does to thy flock? '
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'makes em ill and poor, nighthaven'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'I proclaim that we set forth a new set of rules, one most like those of the greatly heralded Canada! Free Healthcare FOR MY PEOPLE! '
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Utter thy name, friends! Let greatness be done unto the people! '
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to see what single payer socialised healthcare does to your taxes/spending and to the quality of care, come look at the NHS'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't be disappointment, provided you're a massochist'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on reflection, i believe your best plan would have been to create state health exchanges and put in a framework that insisted all plans were marketed through it and were comparable (would involve some regulation to ensure they conformed to a structure that allowed them to be comparable) but rather than mandate people have insurance and tax people, instead put a tax on health insurance and use that to subsidise the poor. Oh, and another key element would be for the government to ditch medicare/medicaid and come out with it's own competitive health insurance packages'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'I didn't take the time to read that, but very well done. '
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps you should, it contains ideas'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something politicians seem short on'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless it's for ripping people off and enslaving them'
T3/r7/2013-12-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government in Wales in the UK is looking at banning the use of e-cigarettes in public. Here in the rest of the UK from 2015 they'll force shops to charge 5p for every plastic bag they give away'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'anyone?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'I disagree with whatever you say'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'noted'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what do you want to debate?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tasty Tipro winks at Juubi.
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'how aboit exactly what we were debating on the other channel?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who was debating on the other channel?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the existence of a historical jesus?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you mean has there ever been anyone named jesus, obviously there has been.'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'agreed. but christmas was not his birthday'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'i work with a jesus'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'no one argues december 25 was Jesus' actual birthday'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'more specifically, here has been a person around 2k years ago who we now refer to as jesus of nazareth, whom had a great religious following...'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'it's just the day on which it is recognized'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you mean was there a jewish religious leader born around 2013 years ago who travelled around and did spectacular things, there is absolutely no reasonable evidence to suggest anything of the sort'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is absolutely no contemporary evidence of his existence'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's hardly an accurate statement, emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Juubi seems to think you have the right idea.
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is absolutely no contemporary evidence of his existence'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'wrong'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'except of course for the absolute MOUNTAINS of contemporary evidence of his existence...'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the first references to him occur some 70 years after his supposid death'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and most of them are very questionable in their authenticity'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You smirk.
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'it was noted through texts and whatnot that a jesus of nazareth was born 2 BC'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is no actual evidence there was an actual Jesus born circa 0 AD other than the NT, and there are contradictions as to the birth date(s) -- the Romans of the 4th century likely destroyed that evidence when consolidating the scriptures into a single version'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and tere is no evidence the NT was written before 100 AD or so'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and most of what survives is from 300AD or ater'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'a lot of what we take about the ancient world comes from sources dated much after the fact. Like many of the Grecian Wars. That shouldn't be the sole criteria. Rather, ask what was the source'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and ask if anyone has had reasons to distort, or invent, sources'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'are you to say that the historians and professors that have put together thousands of textbook supporting the birth of a jesus of nazareth who was a jewish religious leader at that time are wrong?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'and I think there is very little reason to disort. The apostles did not live glamorous lives'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when consolidating the scriptures into the Roman accepted official version, all the earlier versions of the scriptures were destroyed when found, as those earlier versions were different to the official roman version'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'given that the churches had control of the history books for several hundred years there is really no reasonable way to get evidence about this supposid jesus figure'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'why then would this jesus who isn't real be made into a hero by an entire religion if he truly isn't real?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats an easily answerable political/psychological quest'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'then please explain'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are jewish records and writings that indicate where the story of *a* Jesus may've originated (a hundred or so years earlier before 0 AD)'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is also no evidence that moses existed, in fact there is pretty compelling evidence that he didn't'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but there is plenty of clearly invented evidence to the contrary'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"contrary to" what -- ambiguous!'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'this is about jesus. not moses'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but there is an example of someone who was pretty clearly created for political purposes'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's quite a bit of evidence, secular as well as religious (christian religious and jewish religious), supporting his existence, much written close to the time of life'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so there is an argument by analogy'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'noted'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'name one text abelinc?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'written while he was supposedly alive'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'read josephus, tacitus'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"political purposes" is unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'roman records'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'please name evidence of his non-existence'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there are only 2 references to Jesus in josephus, one has been completely discredited as being authentic to the original, and the other is not conclusive at all'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'seeing as how there are almost no secular scholars that believe that he didn't exist'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and that was written 40 years after his death'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not 100-300 years as you claimed'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'thanks abe. hard to ger info on a phone while debating'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so we are going to base his existence off of a reference to james having a brother named jesus who was anointed.'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'sounds like you're about as well-versed on this subject as you are on statistics...'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nevermind that this flies in the face of the scriptures'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'good go for the ad hominem attack :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since you've provided nothing whatsoever so far'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'how are we to truly knkw when jesus died emm?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which is why I say supposedly died'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'roman historians let us know how he died...'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'which was 37 bc correct?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are no exact dates for anything that long ago'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'until Constantine, the christians were being suppressed, so "Jesus" was likely not a "political purposes" -  note though that Saul/Paul of Tarsus may've overlayed Mithraism onto the original story of Jesus '
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is essentially impossible to prove a negative'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong, Emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'bc/ad/bce didn't exist then, there were dissimilar calendars, and not a whole lot of daily newspapers nationally...'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'but easy to just sling statements around with no basis, apparently'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'however one can point out, 1) there is absolutely no physical evidence of his existence, no artifacts, no works of carpentry, no manuscripts written by his hand'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'You prove a seperate positive to prove a negative'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there is no physical evidence of 99.9999% of humans from 100 years ago to the beginning of time'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '2) there is no contemporary record of his existence from any source that can be accurately dated to his supposid lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, your claim, which is not shared by any credible secular historian...'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'debate are college textbooks accurate enoigh for you emm?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'where is the record of pilate executing a man named jesus?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's a whole lot of disagreement regarding jesus among historians...his existence isn't one of them'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Juubi nods at you in agreement. 
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is, but not much in the US because of the political climate'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not talking about religious people here...pure secular historians, recognized in their field of higher education'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'as usual i concurr'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Although I'm on the side of Abelinc and Juubi, I don't think it's fair to ask Emm to provide evidence of Jesus' non-existence. It's impossible to prove a non-existence'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'best that can be asked is why she doesn't believe the evidence that does existence'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'flavus was born after jesus was supposidy executed, and wrote the 93 CE and there is evidence that even his limited references there are from interpolation'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'she's making initial claim, and we're asking for her to substantiate her statements'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Nod, I understand. Just thinking back to "[14 Dec 18:41:51] (Debate) Abelinc: 'please name evidence of his non-existence'"'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'of course it looks like she's debating from http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm...and a professional site it is...'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'i would like to see a birth certificate. long form, if possible'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the existence or nonexistence of Jesus is a controversy topic - there is disagreement (but some some historians are shutting their ears and eyes to the disagreement)'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I personally love this part: Many problems occur with the reliability of the accounts from ancient historians. Most of them did not provide sources for their claims, as they rarely included bibliographic listings, or supporting claims.'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'tacticus was born in 64 CE he discusses a "Christus" which has many potential interpretations'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'as if APA citations were the norm 2k years ago'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'read a history book from before 1940 and it wont have citations'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'It may have a recommended works or something but that's usually it'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's like the guy went onto a wikipedia editing guide and tried to use that for his thoughts on ancient texts'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'hehe'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'id the history book was authored by christians, that history book is likely to be censored and biased (where nary a word of disagreement is heard as to the existence of Jesus)'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'first we should get something perfectly clear. there are texts saying that jesus was a real person. and there are none for the opposing side'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are not looking very hard '
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Benedikt: 'juubi: are you talking about historical text or current ones?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'historical'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so you disagree that Josephus only has 2 references to a Jesus in his book, (written in 97 CE or AD) and that the authenticity of these references have been called into question?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you are likely disregarding the papers by jewish scholars'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'both...jewish scholars denounce his christhood, but don't deny his existence'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'give me an example zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Benedikt: 'juubi: in that case you just proved that king kong existed, because there are no historical texts saying that he didnt :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'i agree with abelinc yet again.'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and why is there no reference to jesus in the jewish wars written by the same author 20 years earlier (and beore he became a prisoner of the romans)?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'no. because there are none supporting king kong's existance :/ there are for jesus'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'was jesus influential substantial or important to tbe jewish wars?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a history of the jewish people from 164 BC to 70 AD no i can't imagine why jesus would be mentioned in that book'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'a solid point'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'when was this book written?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '75 ad supposidly'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'by the same guy who wrote antiquities in 97 which is afaik the first "secular" reference to jesus'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Juubi: 'how can someone from 75 ad know what happened in the many years before :('
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats a good question Juubi, which returns to my original question'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why is there no mention of him in any secular text prior to 97 CE?'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in the end of course I doubt anyone will ever know for sure (baring someone coming forward with physical evidence or contemporary evidence of unimpeachable quality).'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'jesus was not a prominent figure in the jewish wars, but was a prominent figure in jewish history...so he was mentioned in the latter but not the former...'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there's not really such thing as physical evidence from even 500 years ago...'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a jewish scholar stated that the historical Jesus was (likely) based on several contenders (Yeishu ben Pandeira and several others) '
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course there is abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we have plenty of physical evidence of people from thousands of years ago, granted its hard to track down physical evidence of a particular person, especially if they weren't revered in their own time'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, we have plenty of claimed physical evidence of people from thousands of years ago'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but for example we have plenty of evidence for dozens of egyptian pharohs from much further ago'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even the "Naked Archaeologist" provided an episode on a jewish warrior that temporarioly looked like the messiah (until the warrior fell out of favor)'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and we have physical evidence of plato'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, we have references to plato'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'through manuscripts he wrote (or at least several manuscripts that are attributed to him that were written by the same person)'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'we have phyiscal evidenve of lots and lots of people.  we just don't know any of their names'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): You rapidly nod twice at Madcatz, in complete agreement.
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'can't exactly do a DNA test on this evidence without having a fully-reliable reference specimen'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it could be in a box labelled "king tut"...and it could've been the gardener for all we know'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but we don't even have that for JC'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'king tut said "fuck this shit" and traded places with the man in the iron mask'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, it'd be hard to claim that he rose from the dead if you could fish his body out of the sea of galilee...'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the historical jesus is likely a patchwork based on the stories and folklore of several historical (and fictional) humans - but none of them were the Jesus (of 0 AD) as described in the nt gospels'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm nods at Zade.
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'like the places he supposidy went and the order in which he visited coincide with the travels of titus flavius'
T3/r7/2013-12-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well I have exams to study for see ya later'
T3/r7/2013-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the student who went into a school 13 miles from columbine the other day and shot two kids before killing himself was "an opinionate socialist", so I think the only sensible thing, using the democrat logic base, is to ban socialists or democrats from owning guns'
T3/r7/2013-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Name drama again?'
T3/r7/2013-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, obamacare exchange 'mistakenly debiting bank accounts''
T3/r7/2013-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is the pope marxist?'
T3/r7/2013-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://nypost.com/2013/12/15/inside-the-saudi-911-coverup/'
T3/r7/2013-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Omidyar is a fraud, and looks like Greenwald might have sold out'
T3/r7/2013-12-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the numbers are that the budget deal will not pass teh Senate'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so Greenpeace are running an advertising campaign claiming Santa is depressed because the North Pole is melting, asking people to donate..... yet the summer extent of the ice sheet went up by 29% this year compared to last'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'yeah shocking they weren't 100% accurate in a discussion involving SANTA CLAUSE :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who should they have used, then?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'i'm just being a smart ass, don't pay me any mind'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'a polar bear'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Jamie Diamond would have been better'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bernard Madoff!'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so can we safely put this man made global warming rubbish to bed, yet?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'the term global warming is misleading. the term climate change is more accurate'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to describe.... natural variations in weather patterns over time?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'well i don't know how to convince anyone. seems fairly obvious to me that if you burn every ounce of fossil fuel on the planet bad things will happen'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, you'll have no fossil fuel left'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which isn't a good thing, tm'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'never gonna happen'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"global warming climate change"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is pretty muc impossible for us to ever burn all the fossil fuel'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'that was a bit of hyperbole, i realize we will never use it ALL'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Purple HazeKnight: '"which isn't a good thing?"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"global warming causing climate havoc"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so would you rather a) Promote science to develop alternative non-fossil fuel ways of generating energy, or b) Instigate a bunch of laws to screw money out of people and hand to corporations in the name of man made climate change?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"global warming energised climate havoc"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'tax emissions at the social cost of the carbon (the lesser of the damage done by them or the cost to clean them up)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and let the market sort it out'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course that is politically impossible'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about not and just promote the research and building of alternatives'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"industry added global warming energising climate chaos"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Purple HazeKnight: 'Or C) Destroy all reserves of fossil fuel that we can tap into?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well thats a horrible idea'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'the problem is alternative forms will never be financially viable if the oil companies can externalize all the financial consequences of their product. no one is talking about banning them, but some form of carbon tax is absolutely necessary imo'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Purple HazeKnight crosses his arms and nods slowly and sagely to Endtime.
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sadly many people are talking about banning them'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Santa's elves are attempting to use the extra water from the melting glaciers to produce more ice sheets, no thanks to you Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't need to externalise the consequences, the cost of bringing new oil reserves to the market is rocketing'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll just take longer'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, the best way to tackle global pollution and plan for a sustainable future does require doing something about the level of population'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'i see what you mean tigernuts, but if you do believe in human influenced climate change it will be far too late by the time the production costs reach a point where alternatives can compete'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Purple HazeKnight: 'Or just funding people like these http://www.laserpowersystems.com/'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too late for what?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'too late to reverse the negative impacts'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'like starving the African continent and flooding out South East Asia'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'oli resources are supposed to belong to the people -- do not give the oil resources to the oil companies at cheap prices -if they want that oil, mske them pay dearly'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what makes you think it'll cause that?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '50 years of climate science research'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'sea levels are already rising by a measurable amount. It will only get worse if you can trust that even most of the scientists studying this are being unbiased'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is this the same 50 yrs of climate research that claimed severe weather events are increasing when the data shows the opposite? is it the same 50yrs of climate research which until 30 years ago claimed we were entering an ice age? or is this the 50yrs of climate research that said by this year the artic would be entirely melted and sea levels would have risen by 2 meters?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sea levels have not risen in the UK in my lifetime (1977)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'one could argue that some of these scientist have been bought and paid for, but it's a bridge too far to say that they all have. again, imo'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting sea levels can rise more in one area than another?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'here ya go tigernuts http://www.skepticalscience.com/'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i'm saying that it's a horridly inexact science and that they're mostly fitting data to their agenda not the other way around'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which has been stolen by corporatism and politics for their own aims'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats a pretty decent response to most of the bs you are spouting on the subject'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'another half-arsed agenda website?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'current estimates are around 1.5 mm per year. of course you wouldn't notice it in your lifetime. that is almost a negligible amount. but most believe it is only a beginning'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as opposed to a half-arsed agenda jerk spouting unsubstantiated garbage on the internet'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the river Thames levels were rising'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be half a metre in my lifetime, Endtime'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'didnt London just spend an Ungodly sum building flood protection barriers?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Purple HazeKnight: 'The issue is that with our timelines, the true idiots can only be proven outside of our own lifetimes'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you are planning on living 500 years?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'even if you were 100 years old that would only amount to a little of 1/10th a meter'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sorry 333 years'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'forgot about the .5'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so this is a problem because.....'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Purple HazeKnight: 'This is problem because you think it isn't a problem'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'it's absolutely not a problem for you, because you think all the scientists warning of this becoming worse are misinformed or deliberately obfuscating the issue'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Purple HazeKnight: 'You are the embodiment of the use of asbestos. No long-term thinking'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even a half a metre rise in water levels is able to translate into a lot of water coverage and flooding, especially if the peaks increase by lots more than half a metre'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly, the argument being pushed is that we need to panic now because the world will end before we have found alternatives to fossil fuel'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly the world will not end in 20 years according to your own assessment of sea level rises'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'no one said it would'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor will it end due to sudden weather changes'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Purple HazeKnight: 'What the hell are you arguing, Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Purple HazeKnight: 'Some defeatist way of living out the rest of your life?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so let's ask this again, why can we not promote science to provide us with clean sustainable solutions to the energy problem without panicking and impoverishing everyone on the planet, giving all the money to corporations that are feeding off the climate change hysteria?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'debate it is obviously a leftist conspiricy including the governments of such pillars of the liberal community as iran, isreal, pakistan, india, turkey....'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how do we go about doing that tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is likely a mole (with a secret desire to be) working for the greedy rich or worse [merely look at the profile of Tigernuts opinions]'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well like i said, Emm, the whole debate has been captured by corporations and governments, not scientists'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Purple HazeKnight: 'Tigernuts, we've had people trying to develop electric cars developed in the late 1950s that were mysteriously shelved'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is not my experience in a graduate program in environmental science'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but maybe IU just has a really good program.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since when does your program in environmental sciences set government policy?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who said anything about setting government policy'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you said the debate has been captured'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did it inform the UK government, for instance, to add $200 in levies to everyone's energy bill so that they could pay German companies millions of dollars to build pointless windfarms that solve nothing?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'HazeKnight, don't waste too much typing on the deaf ears of Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not the regulators and legislators have been captured (that I can agree with)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well then, that's all that matters'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but I return to my original question'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was your original question?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'the calm voices in the debate aren't calling for these earth shattering solutions you are arguing for. they want a moderate carbon tax, as this would level the playing field for wind, solar and nuclear etc. and when oil companies are making record profits, they can easily take this in stride and still return handsome profits.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how do we encourage the green energy solutions without impoverishing the world?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you subsidise and champion their development'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't rely on the private sector for that'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'german built "pointless" windfarms -- there's an unverified Tigernuts opinion'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not spending 10 years arguing about where to put the fusion test lab would have been a good start, for instance'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's pointless zade, because wind power needs to be 100% backed up by reliable source'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the most cloth eared of environmental scientist will have been able to tell you that'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the contributors on that weblink was my tutor at uni, heh'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'A) thats actually not true, and B) even if it were it would still reduce emissions whenever the reliable resource (natural gas) did not have to be burned'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'look at what MISO is doing with DIRs'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'peaceful "fusion" energy-production is currently a science-fiction '
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'B suggests A isn't actually true, but even given either of those, there are reliable green energies being overlooked'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wind is the corporate welfare vehicle of choice'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yeah even though wind gets less subsidies per kilowatthour of generation than coal, natural gas, oil, or nuclear'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Windfarms produce subliminal noises that cause voters to vote erratically'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here they don't'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not even considering the lack of proper liability for emissions and other waste'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'german solar panels'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, our genius government just signed us into a contract with China to build a nuke plant providing power at a guaranteed $150 per MWh whereas the same reactors in France are generating at $45/MWh'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't have UK numbers handy, but I would be surprised if wind got more per kwh than fossil fuels did there.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'the alternative fuels today will NEVER be the full answer, i think evcp ch'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have estuaries and rivers that could provide 20% of the coutnry's power'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'lol mega fail sorry'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best plan would have always been to gradually remove any existing subsidies from fossil fuel plants while increasing the cleanliness requirements on new plants being built'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why not endtime? really if we didn't care about the local ecological damage and farming impacts we could probably generate all we need from conventional hydro alone'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and eventually one way or another renewables will be cheaper than non-renewables'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'won't be unless any capacity is built'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course it may be too late for a cool planet by then'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'd welcome a warmer planet'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'i was gonna say unless there are some breakthrough innovations in alternatives it won't be up to the task of fully replacing anything. we would need not even next generation solar, but maybe next next next generation solar. we would need the ability to store energy produced in alternative farms to distribute during peak hours. this is still just a dream. but you can't just refuse to begin making the change until everything is perfectly ready made to order'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however it does appear that the only real difference in our opinions appears to be how to achieve the target of coming off fossil fuels'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not capable for what reason endtime?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'its all about economics'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you prefer the stick - punishing the poor and impoverishing the west with carbon taxes, i'd prefer to do it through empowerment and encouragement (carrot)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and where do you get the funding for the carrot tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'through income taxes which distort labor markets?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'general taxation, nogs'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'through sales taxes which are hideously regressive and distort buying decisions?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'well i have heard statistics suggesting we would have to do things like build a wind turbine every 10 minutes for the next 20 years, build a new nuclear plant every 3 months for a decade, things of this magnitude. it's just unreasonable and impossible to suggest this is going to happen. BUT, if more efficient methods were developed those numbers could come back to the realm of reality'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no silver bullet, but income tax is the fairest method we have'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially if it's a flat rate tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'HAHAHAHA'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'HAHAHAHAAAHAHA'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'flat tax == regressive tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"the filthy rich want more carrots, lots of carrots! -- and beggar you middle-class peasants!"  <-- (Tigernuts policies looseley paraphrased)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dashiell: 'I don't think government has any business regulating or running anything. They can't be bothered to do a decent job, so they do a crappy job and blame everyone else.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'income taxes by their nature distort labor markets, diminising the GDP'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of all the taxes on the UK books, income tax is the fairest, even if you use your slightly fucked up communist idea of fair, then it's still "the least regressive"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hardly'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a carbon tax would actually be less regressive than a flat income tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would not'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and certainly less regressive than the income tax that we have in the US which proports to be progressive but ends up with the middle class paying a higher percentage of their income than the ultra rich'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ultra rich pay less tax because they write the tax laws and are able to take advantage of globalisation'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an entirely different issue altogether'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Dashiell is apparently supporting more deregulation - (but look 2008 financial meltdown to see where deregulations went)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dashiell raises an eyebrow at Zade's weird actions.
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dashiell: 'that wasn't deregulation, that was legalized theft'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dashiell: 'and I never said there shouldn't be regulation, I said government is clueless and doesn't know how to do it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"legalized theft" permitted by "deregulation"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dashiell: 'nop'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dashiell: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'regulation is a third best solution, a second best solution is a tax that approximates the externalities, a first beset solution would be a costless and perfect liability system'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course the first best solution is a myth'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your second solution immediately pushes all of the cost onto the consumer, hitting the poorest most'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hence i'd argue the third solution is the best'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't think it does tigernuts, given that energy usage is fairly linerally correlated with wealth'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course as long as (as Zade points out) the ultra rich get to write the laws, the implementation of a carbon tax would likely favor the ultra rich and enough of the poor to get the popular support, leaving the bill with the middle class like always'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"a tax that approximates the externalities" <-- a near iucomprehensible gooblededook by Emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what is so hard to understand about it zade?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'made sense to me.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'presume for the sake of argument that we knew that the expected value of the next ton of carbon emission was $25'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and the cost to remove it was $50'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and the cost to not emit it in the first place was $30'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps Sir Humphrey from "Yes Minister" may explain'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zade, it's a "let's make up a fee to fit the agenda" guesswork'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like valuing loss of earnings in court cases'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'valuing losses of earnings is done all the time in the real world tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, and it's entirely non-scientific, too'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the special doctrine we attach to it in court cases is a bunch of junk'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a bit like valuing tech companies'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but accounting firms have been doing it successfully (with some notable but rare collossal failures) for centuries.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you mistake complex for incomprehensible'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fundamental point is, you're talking about applying costs to externalities, i was talking about subsidising your target science. Both achieve the same thing, both fall on the tax payer. The only difference is if you frontload the cost by subsidising, you get to choose who the bill falls on, backloading it by charging carbon tax, the cost falls on the consumer'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'except your way is the government picking the winners and paying for them on the backs of the taxpayer'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you do that either way'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no you don't'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'look at what british columbia has done with its carbon tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it hasn't killed the natural gas boom there'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure you do, by deciding what the carbon price is, then relying on the corporate cartels to come up with an alternative scam'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i can tell you that in the UK, and in Australia, it has NOT had the intended impact and has cost the public dearly'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'Tigernuts, what happens when some of the alternative firms the government chooses to subsidize fail? (as surely most technology startups will) Think the politicians have enough guts to tell the constituents this is the reality of venture capitalism?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need to get a proven technology before you set up 'a firm', but this has already happened - USA Soylendra wasn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'they don't even have the guts to tell them Increased Spending all the time and Lowered Taxes all the time is an irrational demand to place upon government'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because turkeys vote for xmas, endtime'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'exactly, Soylendra was a massive embarassment. No one had the guts to just say you have to break some eggs to make an omelette, if you will'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again this is why it would be better to just price carbon appropriately and let the market sort it out'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'interesting almost all the major oil companies have recently started using an explict carbon price in thier development models'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because there isn't a free market'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they have essentially said they are ready for a carbon tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'one of the few things that Zade has right is that there are no free markets, Capitalism is dead - we have corporatism. You wondered why electric cars got shelved in the 50s? Same reason hydrogen cars got shelved in the 90s. Cartels'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'buy up competing technologies and kill them'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that is why i argue for direct development from the government'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and the beauty of a carbon tax is that you actually don't even need to set it as high as the actual cost of carbon, depending on how you use the revenues from it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because governments are soo good at developing technology cheaply and efficiently'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'I just can't see that working TNuts. Would love to be proven wrong in the long run, but i just can't see it happening. I can already see the exposes "500 million wasted!!!!!" '
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama already wasted far more than that'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'look at private space launch development versus government space launch development'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'put it this way, UK guvmint is "investing" $70bn in a stretch of highspeed railway so the rich twats in the city can get home half an hour early. It would cost $25 to build the Severn tidal barrage that would generate 5% of the UK's energy needs'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '$25bn'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(not $25, clearly)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when governments (and the military and the covert agencies) fully fund Universities that may be the case that "governments are soo good at developing technology cheaply and efficiently"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'generally they're terrible, Zade, but no worse than industry'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'rich twats write big checks'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they don't, else they'd pay their taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'why pay taxes when campaign contributions are cheaper? anyway, been a fun conversation, gotta get ready for work now. bye guys'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but when the filthy rich fund the Academic heads of universities to sing their tune -- disaster as scientific research becomes biased and corrupted'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so TN, do you deny that when an actiivty damages a third party that the participants of the activity should have to bear the cost of that damage?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am just trying to figure out where have the problem with externalities based economics'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if this is real damage or conflated hand wavey damage'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also depends if that damage is due to an accident or due to an ongoing process'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'lets assume for the sake of argument that there is real damage'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's due to an ongoing process then they should not have been able to take part in the activity in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's due to an accident, then yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so if I can engage in mining activity that generates a billion dollars in profits, but causes $100 in damages to a nearby farmer I should not be allowed to do it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'even if I can compensate him for his damages?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on him, doesn't it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'large salaries, huge prior bonuses, golden parachutes, and chapter 11 -- pay alleged damages with what - ha!  (the culprits are long gone and laughing at the bank) (unless bailed out by the government, when more bonuses!)y'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so by your system tigernuts absolutely noone shouldl be allowed to burn fossil fuels ever'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but generally, provided a fair and equitable agreement was had beforehand, that would be fine'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since they cause damages to property owners who do not agree to them'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense Emm, because I saw ahead of time that you were going to equate burning fossil fuels with damage to other people'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'oh we can show that easily'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'farmers in the USA are spewing out pesticides etecetera, and causing damage to the 4 billion dollar bee industry -- (4 billion dollars is not a flippant $100, Emm)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ozone and acid rain, even if we ignore climate change'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'exactly so no more phosphate/nitrate fertalizers and pesticides'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so now we have not nearly enough power and not nearly food'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'whats next?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the hundreds of new pesticides are killing the bees'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree with zade, corporatism at work again'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'don't obfuscate with phosphate nitrate fertilisers'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people turning a blind eye to monopoly and sharp practices by Montsanto and the other poisoners'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government complicit'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'phosphate nitrate fertilisers do not kill bees'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not offuscation the fishing industry in the gulf has been destroyed by nitrification of the effluent of the mississippi river'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'obfuscation?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'however you spell it'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'thanks obama'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the farmers are wasting the nitrates'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'Monsanto overcharges for their Glyphosate'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps if they used nitrates that stayed in the soil instead of being washed out to the river'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you can get the same stuff for like less than half the price '
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'on the same shelf in dome depot'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'world would need less fertiliser AND energy if there were fewer people, so why are we still paying people to breed?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'been able to get it since 2000'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so your solution is to kill off 90% of the population of the planet so we can support ourselves with "sustainable" (read stone age) techniques.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i would use that big media whitewash brush to make having more than 2 kids unsociable, instead pushing fostering/adoption as an alternative. Benefits should be cut off after 2 kids'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what benefits?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welfare payments'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"welfare mothers"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I would think you wouldn't support any benefits to begin with since that would be the leechers taking from the work creators or whatever nonesense you call it'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think wrong'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'career "welfare mothers"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'we should drug test them rachet hoes'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am not convinced that such a thing exists outside of some right wing fantasy land zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we should drug test all elected officials  :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no need for that nonsense, just set a date after which new kids won't get any welfare'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hrm, ostrich syndrome'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'much like the epidemic of voter fraud that has led to all these voter id laws, I am pretty sure this is political fiction.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, there's plenty of voter fraud going on'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'hah, voting matters..good one'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'needing a photo id to vote seems quite sensible to me, we've had it here for years'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'someone who owes the city money shouldnt be able to vote for state officals?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes but you have no constitutional protection against poll taxes anyway'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such a thing helps prevent Mr Bush from burning ballot papers and Mr Obama for packing his voter roll with illegal immigrants and dead people'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't see how voter id has anything to do with Florida 2000 since that was about defective machinery and corrupt state officials'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and I have seen no evidence to suggest that Obama did anything of the sort, or needed to in order to win both his elections by large margins.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'obama is bad, just accept it'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was local plebs in both cases'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you could point me to a website that asserts such and does not also assert that he was not a natural born US citizen please do so'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't disagree that Obama is bad, I just don't have any reason or evidence to accuse him of voter fraud'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.cbsnews.com/news/congressmans-son-resigns-after-voter-fraud-video/'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'well he is kenyen for one'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'his mother was an american citizen yes?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or is this now contested also?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because my understanding is that if your mother is a US citizen you are one too regardless of where you are born.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interesting how we went from very real localised voter fraud to obama is kenyan'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'hint. none of it matters'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'you cant control it, you cant stop it.. just let it happen'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, gruagach, and you're screwed by the system whomever gets in'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i just thank god that i was born in the greatest country in the world'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what, Chile?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'new zealand?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Russia?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'China?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'lets see'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Japan (before Fukushima)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'hint: you're a video game on the internet'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'internet created by..'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'cy@'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'British'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'swedish'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'wait wasn't the internet created by al gore?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm  :)
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well its been fun'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but I have exams to study or'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'for'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'stupid f key'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'good luck passing your american exams'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sometimes I wish I was a student again'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'you can study me baby'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I do already'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'life is a school where we study ourselves, our friends and our enemies. Sometimes it's hard to distinguish who is who though.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'since most of us are full of preconceived ideas about ourselves it makes that subject the hardest to study and understand.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'ElFeneri. you were gyped when you purchased that defective "philosophical sayings" booklet'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'as a student you often was certain about the answer to the problem at the end of the book, or at the end of the lesson. There was a teacher that knew the answer.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'now one fumbles around blindfolded trying to find a solution. Along the way you'll find many truths, question is which truth applies to your problem?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zade, I don't believe in philosophy to come with any answers. Just more questions.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'in fact that's what studies does. Lets you know how little you actually know about the world.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'philosophy often informs answers'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism, however, does not'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'socialism is for making fatcats rich.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'socialism is yet another truth without an application'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i understand it more to be a lie'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'depends on your perspective'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, not really'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the general public gets really, really poor in a socialist environment.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't i know it'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if you look for an ideal world without human elements, where everyone acts like a robot and obeys the rules, then socialism might be your answer.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given how our governments treat their people, i'd say that's a hope too far'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i hate the government. it makes me work for money'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decent grammatical english, please:  "As a student, you often *were* certain about the answer to the exercise." (but that unfounded conjectured assertion does not go anywhere.)  (Also the statement that "a teacher knew the (alleged) answer" seems non sequitur or irrelevant (or perhaps an invitation to sensei worship - (disgusting)))'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zade, perhaps we should debate in a language that is not your native language instead, but mine?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this looks like good news, though: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/national-security-agency-phones-judge-101203.html'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'grasshopper Elfeneri, you almost sound oriental'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'ooo u so fun e'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Zade, I promise to let you know when you make a mistake every time I have nothing to add to the discussion'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade appreciates the service.
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pointing out spelling or grammar errors is a sure sign you have nothing to give to an argument'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a bit like bring up Obama's religion or citizenship'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts, seems the indication of a "spelling" error caused you to disregard the "meaning" errors'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as long as the meaning is clear, i don't care about spelling or grammar'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil (inadvertently or purposely) used to use grammar errors, spelling errors, and or gross-punctuation errors, to disguise the "meaning" (which may or may not 've been "meaning" errors, since the "grammar" used was partially incomprehensible)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Druzil did keep the debate channel busy)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lovely, now what do you want to bring up?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after a spliff and a long discussion it was decided the most likely thing to happen next in asia would be for China to invade North Korea'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Druzil (though seemingly grammatically-challenged) did not intentionally seek to deceive'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(unlike some of the current debate participants)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would point the finger at yourself?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's harsh, man'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when somebody is honest inside, they are perhaps worth repairing'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(when somebody is dishonest inside, they are not worth repairing)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if I tell you I'm dishonest, does that make me worthy in your eyes? If I'd be honest about it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't win at that point, ElF'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I rarely look at debates in terms of winning or losing.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if people believe me dishonest, it's probably that i haven't explained something well enough to put across my opinion'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(unless there is a repair to convert the inside-dishonesty to inside-honesty)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(a double sided coin, with each side stating "the other side is false" is yet a "false" coin)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'm not trying to force my opinions on any of you, nor make you see that what I think is right. Debate for me is a way of sensing what people around me think. Or I would have been a politician.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'sometimes it's just fun to discuss.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's usually far less difference in people's opinions that meets the eye'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'opinion forcing is for imm channel'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the time it comes down to core ideology, and that's not something you can really be wrong or right about with'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'think of it like this:  if you had to design the world BEFORE YOU KNEW WHAT BABY YOU WOULD BE, what would it look like?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as the meaning of "fair" when applied to tax, that's down to ideology'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'even a fair tax system is bad if it funds inefficient and bad government spending'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, there's always that side of the coin'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'my taxes are unfair no matter how long if a lot goes to pay people to paint the president's portrait everyday'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'low**'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'debating "fair tax system" is moot unless everyone believe taxes are fair to begin with.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could have an extremely "progressive" and heavy tax, but if it's all spent on programs benefitting the rich, what use was it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that too'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't think anyone would describe taxes as fair'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'taxes are fair, anarchists aren't invited to a discussion'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except perhaps if you're a net recipient'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'somebody has to pay for courts, radio, parks, military, etc.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any anarchists in?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mathematical taxes can be quite fair. but people don't believe in maths anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if taxes are fair, then perhaps the term "fair" needs to be defined so that everyone can agree on the meaning of that word.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'fair means good for me and fuck you'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I buy that explanation'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'that would make sense to most discussions where the word fair is thrown about.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're right in that 'fair' is where the issue is. It's meaning depends on what you believe the purpose of taxation is'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'we need new kinds of numbers. lets call them "emotional numbers". then we can have a solid base to make them taxes fair(er)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Kojiro, you likely require to pay the fees up-front for that feasibility nonsense study -- perhaps speak to a demon with a nasty pitchfork as to where to go to discuss the payment options - meanwhile there's coal to shovel so the fires of hell are hot(ter) -- chorus: "You load sixteen tons of number nine coal,"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if like me you believe taxation is a means for paying for the services that are provided by government because they benefit and were requested the vast majority of society'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or if you're like Emm and believe taxation is a means of redistributing wealth from the rich to give to the poor (which is the opposite of really what happens in a socialist society, it goes from the poor and middle classes to the ultra rich ruling group)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'btw. we need "emotional logic" too.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so for me, fair would mean everyone paying the same percentage'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for Emm it means the rich paying disproportionately more'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is also the school that Zade subscribes to'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'my iq is 68, i deserve more money!'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'zade, are you insane?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'because i have to work harder!'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Kojiro, he's playing a text based game. What do you think?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i buy into the idea that the rich should pay 'more' through higher marginal rates.  i saw this as a rich person at the top rate'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'say***'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I'm only rich because a capitalist system happens to reward some talents WAY more than others.  Like by multitudes of 1000x+.  That's just luck, I don't deserve it.  I have worked way less hard (though to be fair it's more like play) than most people in this country for a fortune that lets me retire at 30.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so I  believe that those who disproprtionately benefit from a capitalist market system also disproprtionately support it'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does the fact that you made your money make you more prone to acts of philanphropy, kojiro?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'for sure'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'but I won't give away material amounts of money until I have enough to solve the problems I want to solve (require 9 figures), or until I die'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'some say work smarter, not harder. Given a set or rules, and you play by them and profit, how are you not worthy of what ever profit comes your way?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'elf - I earned the money, I don't mean deserve in that sense.  But if you were to quantify the work and toil and hardship involved, it's really by luck that I grew up in a capitalist market-driven society where my skills happen to be rewarded very richly.  If I was born in paraguay I'd be lugging pummelos around or worse.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, it's that set of rules, Elf'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corporate banking, for example, within the rule of the law, well outside the spirit of the law and all contemporary moral bounds'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but other than that, if you had a business, unlike Obama, you DID build that (unless you bought it)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Yes Tiger, the rules are probably not perfect and they probably never will be. Perfect in the sense that everyone will benefit and none will perish.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Kojiro, circumstances and your decisions made you rich. Tough luck.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so, if you were designing a system to be born into, before knowing which baby you would be and which fortune you would(n't) have, would you want a government supported by everyone equally or more by those that benefit the most and less by those who beenfit hte least?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being rich is usually the result of graft, talent, and opportunity'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being filthy rich is usually the result of luck, and being in the right place at the right time'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'elf - yea absoltely fortune and timing were huge.  Decisions that you look back and would have done differently paid off in very unexpected ways.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'so it was lucky that that 'poor' decisions were made, in retrospect!'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Kojiro, serendipity.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'for a long time, I regretted taking a full ride at a state school instead of student loans to an Ivy'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i regret going to university, period'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'that turned out to be a million times beneficial to me, b/c I was repeatedly strucky by lightning (metaphor), but I think it was the wrong decision 9 times out of 10'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'i don't regret going to university. It was a good choice for me.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for most people, going to university is not a good investment'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on a purely financial pov'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not "serendipity"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'i disagree w/ that in the US'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'it probably is, but it can be hard to find a proper job in 1st couple of years.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'not only for what I learned there that satisfied my curiosity about what makes this world tick, but also for the opportunities it gave me. '
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, well in the UK in the late 90s the then useless Labour government decided that on the grounds of "equality" that all the technical colleges be turned into universities and that 50% of the school leavers should go to university'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'led to totally devalued degrees, higher tuition fees and a jobs market flooded with graduates with second rate qualifications'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it hasn't recovered'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I went to primary school in the UK for a while.  hated every bit of it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my primary school was before they fucked up the school education system with the national curriculum, and it was great back then'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'why did i have to waste my time doing home economics and wood shop?  seriously.  not sure if that was part of a national curriculum or the bizarre private school my parents sent me to.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then they standardised syllabi and teaching methods and all the bright kids were forced to learn at the pace of the slowest'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'private school, wood shop and home ec are optionals'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tiger, like a tax on genious?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much, a previous labour government were responsible for banning Grammar Schools which were free schools whose intake was based on ability'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is mentally painful, to learn at the same rate as the retarded'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they were the awesome for getting bright kids from poor backgrounds into good jobs/universities, so labour hated them'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Labour party is the UK equivalent of the US Democrats, btw'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'except perh'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'except perhaps today labour is less leftist'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, they're just as leftist'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'zade - that's why always send your kid to a big school (or a selective collegiate private school).  even if your kid is below average, they will rise to the challenge (just less than peers)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just not openly so'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada gives Tigernuts a nod, saying, "OK".
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'woodshop is useful'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'I went to 8 different schools for US k-12, I've seen it all'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'wood shop is utterly useless'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if you're that way inclined and at what level. At high school level? pointless'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'primary school was when we did it.  6th grade or so'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i had my time again, i'd have trained as multidisciplinary builder, builder plumber sparky'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: 'better for everyone to play chess for 40 minutes than fuck around with saws and sandpaper'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't teach mental maths anymore, that's one of the reason kids are so thick these days'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pre-decimalisation currency was awesome for maths'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if rich enough to hire a contractor, suppose woodshop may seem a waste (unless the woodshop offered was kiddie toytools workshop, then likely a waste)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Not Guilty Kojiro: '40 minutes twice a week of a 12 year old's time can make a big impact on their life with an itneresting and thought provoking subject.  Wood shop isn't that.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'thought-provoking ?!? -- you want to train 12 year-olds to be dissenters ?!?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'give kids 5 hours of english/math/language #2 and let them choose the last 15 hours, I'm pretty certain results would be better than today'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pinball games!!!'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'history should be there somewhere. There's alot to learn from it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, history is probably best taught outside of school'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"let them choose the last 15 hours" -- video games!!!'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'perhaps Tiger, history shouldn't be taught by a biased teacher.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the issue'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you would restrict the allowed subjects to something the students would learn from, so they'd have to push themselves a bit'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'got to be careful to teach in context and teach critical thinking, same with religion (which is essentially history too)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it might be hard to argue for video games'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends on the type of video game. Most modern games? agered'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I also seriously doubt it should take forever to learn to read, write and do basic arithmetics, I never quite got why that was made into the insanely drawn out process it is'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'except of course if you say that school is intended as a storage place/way to control the masses and such :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a lot of it is down to parents, they used to read to me, make me read, encouraged me to do maths'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a result i was miles ahead'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and teachers don't want to/don't have time to/can't give those students something meaningful to do in class.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'have to say, a lot of it down to the lack of a proper family with a working parent and an at-home parent'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'parents these days entirely abdicate responsibility for bringing up their kids to the state'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'parents >> school, certainly'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Tiger, yeps. if the kids fail it's not their fault. Right? It's comfortable to be able to point a finger at someone/something when things don't turn out well.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a helpful thing to say'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'nope, but that's how many seem to reason nowadays'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's true to some extent'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'most things are not completely true'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'young kids don't really have a concept of what the purpose of learning is'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's part and parcel of what parents are for'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i know nothing about bitcoin. but here, what if every last one of you could have your own money? how would that work hm..'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'basically. one guy has PeterCoin, the other has JohnCoin. John does some work for Peter and gets some of his coins.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'we could test it here, in the mud. every one has their own coins(that has already been used.. these spellup tokens). 10 of my coins is worth 10k drag xp. If i want to keep the value of my coins high, i better give the drag. hm? '
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'wikipedia is cool but it is useless. '
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'aarwolf players are untrollable'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bitcoin isn't about whose coin it is'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bitcoin is basically a currency who is independant of nation states or banks'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mhmh. i know nothing about it, just got a different ide'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'idea*'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the key thing to know about bitcoin is that every transaction is recorded on a distributed transaction log. EVERYONE has a copy of every transaction ever made (despite the owner of the bitcoin being anonymous)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which gives it a certain measure of fraud protection'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the value of bitcoin may arbitrarily suddenly collapse per the whim of somebody'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'it sounds so crazy. that bitcoin. but interesting as hell'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'possible, less likely the more diverse the owner base'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's certainly true that the value of bitcoin is volatile'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, it must be made clear that the value of bitcoin is not the coins themselves, but the platform'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems almost like a derivatives scam'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal is agreeing with that Zade person again...
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does, but it's not'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not repackaging anything with bitcoin'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bitcoins have no intrinsic value and nobody is pretending that they do'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlike derivative products or fiat money'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bitcoin is repackaging something'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not, there's nothing to repackage'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i get why someone would say that fiat money has no intrinsic value (of course thats not strictly speaking true it's value depends on how much you trust the issuer of the fiat), but why would you say derivative products have no intrinsic value?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'derivative products have intrinsic value, but it is a fraction of what they are sold at'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that seems very likely in most cases'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'also if you get really cold you could burn either of them (the paper money or the derivitive contracts) and that would be some intrinsic value'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not a very helpful or sensible way of looking at it'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I mean there is some serious debate about how much intrinsic value we want our money to have'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it can be a real problem when the intrinsic value exceeds the face value (as it does with silver coins and even copper coins).'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a nonsense statement because it's circular logic'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bitcoin is offered by the platform to marks that supply (say) hard computing labor -- the marks upon "earning" this bitcoin then look at the shiny virtual baubles and say "is this enough to buy back Manhattan"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'when the value of a coin, as a coin, is less than the value of the copper in the coin, people melt it down.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'this happened ALOT with Mexican money a few decades ago'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, but the value of that copper is based on it's trade value'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'currency is a common means of barter'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'governments print money, causing the value of money to deflate while causing inflation'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because of the break between currency and underlying valuable commodities, you will likely never have coins being worth more than their face value in circulation'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bitcoin does not even require a printing press'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'debate wrong tigernuts, because of that break it becomes increasingly likely to have such'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will change the currency in circulation well ahead of any change in value'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in fact we are almost to the point that we are going to have to start making pennies out of something other than zinc because even that much zinc is worth more than 1 cent'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they will just stop circulating 1 cent coins'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that historically has not happened very well'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they've already reduced the size of british coinage AND changed to a cheap metal in my lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aluminium coins'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they continued to make silver coins well into the 60s even though they were worth more as silver starting around the end of ww2'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they continued to make pennies out of copper until 1984 even though it was worth more as copper from about 1976 on.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and the US is better about the changeover than some other countries have been'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'especially countries that end up with hyper inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silver went to 50% silver 50% nickel here in 1900s, and 25% silver 75% nickel in 1925, and mostly nickel in 1949'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1p and 2p coins were mostly copper until 1992. At one point last year they almost became on parity with value, but have since dropped back agani'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of the UK currency now has a metal value past about 1/100th the face value'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the defect with aluminium coins is the counterfeiting possibilities, unless perhaps a microchip is installed'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aluminium is far to valuable to make coins from'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll use steel'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the UK'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'according to the internet from 1932 to 1964 the silver quarters in the US were 10% copper 90% silver'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'rusty coins'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which gives those coins a current melt value of about $3.50'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in todays money, what about in 1964 money?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i'm glad you support the concept of sound money at some point'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'about 35 cents give or take'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well in that case, the person in your mint at the time was probably a bit of an idiot'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it takes a little bit of time to change the currency'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you know since it requires an act of congress'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'wel actualy it doesn't anymore, but it did then'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well what doesn't require an act of congress is to stop producing the coins that are costing more than face vbaalue'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'oh we still do THAT'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the numismatic coin-collector value of mint old silver coins is likely far more than the metal-value'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'minting pennies costs roughly 1.6 cents each'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and their melt value is approaching 1 cent now'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yet we mint debate oh sorry i had old data, its actually about 2.41 cents per penny to mint nowdays'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and we still mint them by the truckload'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your 1c coins are mostly zinc'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just scrap em and make your 5, and 10c coins copper plated steel like here'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cupronickel for the 25c  50c and $1'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'im all for getting rid of pennies'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we are litterally smelting away billions of dolars a year on pennies'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'they said how much we spend every year on coins and how much money we are losing, but when you divide it out per person its like 13 cents per person to continue to have pennies, and 50 cents per person to keep using dollar bills instead of dollar coins.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and if we go by buying power there really is no reasonable justification for having pennies anymore, or even nickles really'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dollar bills cost less than $1 to print, malkar'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we eliminated te half penny when it was worth more than 10 times what a penny is worth today'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'but switching to dollar coins would be cheaper (they last longer)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what the problem is, malkar'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the canadians I have talked to have been happy about getting rid of pennies.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it costs more to make a quarter than a dollar'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'It is still considered a problem to not do things the cheapest way.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll be a while before they ditch coppers here, but it will happen'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it almost costs more to make a penny than it does to make a dollar'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'but the penny lasts longer.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'those that don't get immidiately pulled back out of circulation and melted down i guess'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes we really are that stupid, we mint pennies, ship them to banks that don't use them, and send them back to be destroyed, all in the same year'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps the value of currency needs reinflating, then you won't be making a loss on it'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i think that means you want deflation, which I am strongly against at the present moment'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, why are you against deflation?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'mainly because I owe almost 200 grand in student debt'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'overstretched, have we?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I would love for 100% inflation for a couple years :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'especially if it could happen right before I get a job'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation is what causes people to remain poor'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in an ideal world there would be no inflation or deflation'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I wouldn't want to live in that world'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I prefer a world where there are reasonable fluctuations'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it is, we're inflating at around 7.5% which would help you if it weren't for the fact that wages are only going up 1%'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'keep everyone honest'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ours isn't quite that high even using the "real" numbers that include more reasonable baskets'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's 5-10% in most of the western world using original measures'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently slightly lower than a year or two ago'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Deflation is bad for one reason. People do not invest now which would be damaging to the economy. They push investment into the future when their purchase will be cheaper.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i am pretty sure its below 5% in the US at present even using the gold standard people's numbers'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'expected deflation is bad for that reason elfeneri'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'unexpected deflation (as long as it is moderate) isn't really a good thing or a bad thing'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guvmint fiddled figures is 1%, by 1990s based cpi is 4.5%, by 1980s original cpi, 8%'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's is a bit higher by about 1.5%'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if the value of a dollar 10 years from now could be reasonably expected to be +-10% of what it is now or anywhere in between with standard deviations around 1.54% people would happily invest even knowing there could be some deflation'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the swedish central bank has a target inflation of around 3%. They consider inflation below that figure to be deflation even though it's a positive number. It's a common strategy to aim for a moderate inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'many central banks reason in a similar way'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's a fraudulent position to hold, ElF'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the cpi isn't the best measure of inflation, and old cpi's can be deceptively bad'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if inflation is 3% by the rigged CPi calculation, then real terms inflation is 7-10%'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i don't think there is as strong of a correlation between the two as you expect tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it could be twice that or half that'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm looking at the graphs now, there's a direct correlation'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it could even be below the cpi number (which actually happened a couple of times in the last 50 years'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it depends on what you mean by "real inflation"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'year-to-year percent change in the price index, as cpi is'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what basket of goods though?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'a basket that needs to be revised every now and then'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats where all the rigging (for either side) comes in'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, but not in the way they revised it'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they came up with this substitution idea whereby if there was a cheaper equivalent product, they'd substitute, but this led to quality change, even size/capacity change'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most notably here with food and accommodation'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '40 years ago an average house would have been a 3 bed duplex with a garden, now it's a 2 bedroom flat'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'substitude a 1lb bar of cadburies chocolate for a 400g own-brand budget label'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the sort of shenanigans they used in the post 1990 cpi'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'using costs for properies in the inflation model is normally a bad idea since they don't follow the price development as regular goods does.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole point of CPI was to measure cost of maintaining a constant standard of living. This is no longer the case'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.shadowstats.com/article/no-438-public-comment-on-inflation-measurement'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if demand regulates the price of an item it shouldn't be measured in cpi.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so it should be based on actual expenditures of teh median household?.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can go read the explanation as well as i can'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'im confused by that statement elfen'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'when does demand not regulate the price of an item?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the price is regulated by external forces'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so the only thing that should be in the cpi are things that are set by fiat?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats a recipe for disaster'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'if there is a high demand for TVs then more TVs are produced. If there's a high demand for estates by the sea then the coastal line isn't expanded to provide the buyers with houses.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and which of those do you suggest are or are not regulated by deman?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that doesn't sound right, Emm, how about going back to how it used to be measured?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'but if you rent goes up, the Cost of Living goes up.  Certain luxury goods shouldn't be put in.  The price of a Picasso should be excluded.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the goods that are used to calculate inflation. Real estates are not in there, or shouldn't be in there. TVs could be though.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'aso i tae issue with the second claim there elf, in fact coastlines are often expanded due to increases in demand'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with mass-produced TVs and computers, the price is likely to go down and the quality is likely to increase.  coastal properties are likely to increase with demand'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I mean aside from the dutch who are actually building new coastlines there are also various reclamation projects, as well as different types of coastlines that become profitable to manipulate into estate worthy format'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can tell you now the quality of computers does not go up with decreased price'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think he means from generation to generation'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the cost of a decent computer'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the cost of a decent computer has remained roughly static'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'over what timeframe?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'when I was a kid a decent computer cost either 99 bucks (for a commadore) or several hundred thousand dollars (for a good mainframe or supercomputer)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when i was growing up, it would have been about $500 (early 80s) by 1995 when i bought my first pc it was $1500, now you're looking at $3000'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'when I was a teenager a decent pc cost 2-3 grand'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'today I can buy a decent computer or about 600 bucs'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you can't'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '1300 for a decent laptop'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can buy a shit computer for 600 bucks'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can buy an 'ok' laptop for 1300 bucks'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It seems I have to be more precise since you miss my point. Products in that basket we talked about should be of a kind that there is always enough of them not to drive the prices up. People do not stand in line waiting for TVs to be produced to get one.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am using a constant of (can play most of the current generation of games) as "decent"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is an issue with technology, elF, that's why it's best to stick to the basics, food, energy'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and i hold that constant throughout'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you definitely can't get a decent pc for 600 bucks'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'two things that they don't measure because they fluctuate soo much'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an ibm 8088 in 1983 was $2600 - a 320 floppydrive was at least $500 - 5.25" floppies were at least $5 each  '
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'ok, food then. If the shelves in the food shop are empty then price of food will increase more than if there is good supply of it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you do realize that by that measure we had massive deflation in 2008 right?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'followed by massive inflation in 2009-2011'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'according to official statistics, you did have deflation in 2008'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well technically 2009 i guess'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'Emm, there are many articles in that basket. Ranging from food to TVs, to toilet paper and electricity. One, or even a few of the products can increase/decrease in cost without giving a huge impact on the inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'prices are often regulated by what the public is willing to pay amidst alternatives'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that was the point of it, ElF'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it worked fine until they started substituting things for clearly lower quality/inferior things'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'the point I, sloppily it seems, have been trying to make with a few short sentences.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tech goods are a bad thing to include, really, since they're volatile and not really part of living costs'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when supermarkets want to increase the prices on some products, the public swiches to alternatives'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'well, substituting the goods to something that people don't buy isn't a good idea.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'just as bad as going to a football game and ask how many in the audience like going to football and use that as a reference to how popular the sport is in a country.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think we can all agree that governments manipulate financial figures to put thmeslves in the best light'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but food and energy are both very volatile, and energy is probably the most volatile of all goods a normal person buys regularly'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'eh? energy isn't volatile'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'are you kidding me?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'what is not volatile then? There's a reason why tehre are many things in that basket.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the price of raw vegetables is interesting - harder to inflate when the consumer dislikes (costly) vegetables'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all the taxes on energy here and the way it's bought contractually year ahead means it's not volatile'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'energy is highly volatile. At least in Sweden. There's a steady increase in cost but huge fluctuations along the way. Varies with climate and seasons, with uptime of power plants and local politics.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not the case here, ElF'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'alright, congratulations'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'look at gasoline prices'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'energy is f'kin expensive and always going up'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is a form of energy'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'look at coal prices'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'petrol prices here been pretty constant this year'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not here'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'also dangerous to inflate the price of vegetables, since if the consumers health declines, the productivity of the workforce declines and medical costs increase (in socialist universal-medicare Canada)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they are never stable here'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because it is taxed considerably less there'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a nice $20-$30 a ton carbon tax would help, (would work out to about 20 to 30 cents per gallon for gas'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.petrolprices.com/the-price-of-fuel.html#j-1-2'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm )
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'It is not easy to find a perfect measure of inflation.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'but it must be measured and handled. If we have a bad model it's better than no model.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in the US in 2011 alone there were price per kilowatthour between 5 cents and 70 cents'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that seems pretty volitile'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'both seasonally and regionaly'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I have a simple solution, we tax things we don't like and stop taxing things we actually do like'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's a shit solution'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so no taxes on labour, yes taxes on carbon'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'who are we Emm?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the US'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'anyone who cares really, but the US specifically'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a shit solution because people like/don't like different things'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's not your right to dictate what other people should like'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ahh well very few people like tropospheric ozone right?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or acid rain?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sw'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or fungal death blooms?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have no ability to tax acid rain'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sure I do'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since we now exactly what causes it'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot tax China'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or India'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'acid rain is a regional issue not a global issue'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I mean unless you mean via carbon dioxide, btu that is a rather small effect compared to sulfur'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'peerhaps Emm meant: "tax the causes of bad things"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and I have a feeling china is going to start taxing emissions before the US will'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you just tax income and sales'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but those are both things we want more of not less of'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you won't get sufficient revenue'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and since taxes naturally push demand left (inward).'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'prehaps, but then again if we were solving more problems by taxing rather than regulating we would need less regulatory overhead'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and so budgets could decrease somewhat'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we should also find a way to tax foreign wars, but I don't know how to accomplish that'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could just stop starting them'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that woudl be awesome'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'could you tell me how to do that?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vote your two parties out and vote Rand Paul in'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I mean how to establish a policy that the next congress or administration wouldn't just ignore'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not obscure enough Emm: (instead say) "taxes push demand starboard"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you need people voted in who don't want war,'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I actually don't think that is possible, even if every single citizen in the US voted for him'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'besides there are too many entrenched interests'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'one of my ultra conservative facebook acquaintences suggested that noone be allowed to vote unless they were a net taxpayer'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know why they would think that, though i can't say i agree'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, so no really-poor voters'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's because of what UK has suffered and what the USA are suffering: Turkeys not voting for xmas'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I responded with, sure as long as we define net tax payer as someone whose actual taxes paid is greater than the sum of all benefits they receive from interacting with the government, so no employees of the government could vote, nor could any major shareholder of any government contractor (or their employees).'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'someone mentioned it earlier, parties that want lower taxes AND higher spending'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'see I want the opposite, I want higher taxes and lower spending'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an easy problem to solve, possibly best solved by ensuring your democracy is as local as possible'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I just want to shift as much of the taxes as I can to things that I don't like.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'actually energy taxes in general seem like the would be a good thing in the long run'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whereas i want to shift the taxes so that they are as simple, as unabusable, and as fair as possible'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's ok, i intend becoming electric/heating self-sufficient, so tax away'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what does "fair" mean in this context?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'should those who benefit most from the society pay the most to keep that society functioning?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fair means everyone paying according to their income or consumption'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why not a wealth tax rather than an income tax?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because wealth taxes aren't fair'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it's arbitrary confiscation of your property'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'all taxes are'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'be more specific'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'and wealth can be moved and kept hidden. US wouldn't benefit from alot of capital being moved out of the country.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep, but at least income taxes are a known proportion of new wealth coming into your posession'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wealth taxes are just hoovering up something you've already earnt, and probably already paid tax on'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'income can be manipulated just as easy as wealth can be'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't disagree with that, still doesn't make it right. I disagree with property taxes for the same reason'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and capital gains tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and moving wealth overseas doesn't help if it is still trackable'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'real estate is prehaps the fairest thing to tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since it is very difficult to manipulate'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, it ain't'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because it has no link to either your income or your consumption'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so how is it fair?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well tax people on the length of their hair'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or how tall they are'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what does tieing tax to income or consumption make it fair?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if the main thing that you are paying for is military defense then taxing the land that is being defended seems entirely fair'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because if it's tied to income then those with higher incomes will pay more, people with lower incomes pay less. If it's tied to consumption you can actively choose buy less or barter'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'barter transactions should all be taxed under current law'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'property taxes are like wealth taxes, you're being taxed on something you've already been taxed on'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'at least in the US'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'property taxes are essentially rent'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you pay rent then you don't own the property'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but of course you don't'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therefore property taxes are essentially an erosion of the concept of private property'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the sovreign does'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats always been true'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not what the constitution says'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but as I said if what you are paying for is military protection why shouldn't this be tied to what is being protected?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ditto police protection'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it seems to me that wealth taxes are more fair than income taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those things protect the people, not the property'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'whereas income tax hurts the people who are trying to better themselves'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and police don't protect anything except the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what do you think taxes should be based on Tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at least, that was the aim'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'clearly not the case now'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why do people tolerate police existing?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'income and consumption, malkar, because you can't have one without the other'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because they want to be secure in thier persons and property'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police were supposed to be arbiters'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no thats the courts'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'police are there to enforce order'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police originally were there to bring people to court'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was never police's job to enforce order'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor is it their job to enforce the law'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you are insane tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the police have never been about enforcing the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ever'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except they swear an oath to it'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they swear an oath to uphold the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they even did that in the UK until the 1980s'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'does the UK have a constitution?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it did, of sorts'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now largely superceded by admiralty law'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ultimate solution is taxation at the lowest pragmatic level, i.e local or state level. That way your taxation can reflect the people living under it'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'small democracies work best. It's why scandinavian socialism works and western socialism doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's why USA is so polarised'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's why UK is so unequal, geographically'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'local states and municipalities are unable to afford the military that 50 states are able to afford'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts forces a gag into Zade's mouth.  Ahhh, blessed quiet.
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'military is one of the few things that the federal government was supposed to provide'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I, ... of ... do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'says PC plod shortly before arresting a guy for being black without due care and attention'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats the UK one TN'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the US doesn't have one since police are creature of the state'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm orf, have fun with your authoritarian state ambitions!'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'FBI ?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'although federal officers take oaths to support the constitution (like dea, batf, fbi etc'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'technically none of these are "police"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the only federal peace officers I am aware of are US marshalls'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'unless you count DC cops'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'many states have oaths for police officers that involve supporting the constitution of the US and the laws and constitution of their state'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but mostly its about protect & serve'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which is all about maintaining Order'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which is the role of police traditionally throughout history'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hence the term Law and Order'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but returning to my original point, the reason people tolerate the existence of the police has to be tied to the desire to be secure in their persons and property'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so why not have the tax that pays for police be tied to property values.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'perhaps a head tax as well, but really just having it tied to real property catches everyone but homeless people, and how much protection do they really get from the police?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm, what are you studying at college'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'currently Law and Environmental science'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what type of "Law"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'law is a general degree in the US zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'though mostly I have been focused on tax and corporate law with a smattering of environmental law type classes as well'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'is that sufficient to become a lawyer'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but we all get the core curriculum'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it will be if I pass my classes in the spring and the bar in july'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'assuming the bar examiner doesn't read my comments on here and decide that I don't have the moral character to sit for the bar :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but yes I am expecting my JD in may if thats what you are asking.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'quote: "perhaps a head tax as well, but really just having it tied to real property catches everyone but homeless people, and how much protection do they really get from the police?'" - Emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the only type of law I wouldn't be licsensed to practice if I pass my bar is patent law which requires its own bar and requires an undergraduate degree in science or engineering to sit for.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes zade?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(the deep implications are disturbing)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'did you see the first half of the quote?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the idea is that if the main purpose of paying for police is to protect our property (and persons) why shouldn't those revenues come from taxes on said property.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and since everyone who isn't homeless either would pay property tax directly on homes they owned, or indirectly in the form of rent to landlords who themselves pay taxes on that property'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(also disturbing) (due to the gaping holes)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what holes?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the police do a lot lot more than merely "protect property"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that we want them to do?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what besides protecting property and persons from crimes do we actually want the police to do?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'protecting dogs from crimes?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'dogs are property'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that people can commit crimes against thier own property is a subject for another debate'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in some jurisidictions police serve civil notices, but generally there is a fee attached to this service that is supposed to pay for the exepense including the officers salary for the time invested.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"an ultra conservative facebook acquaintence suggested that noone be allowed to vote unless they were a net taxpayer" <-- political suicide, (and various lynchmobs and irate citizens may also be seeking that expletive)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'did you see what I said my response was zade?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or are you just pulling quotes out of context to try to find something wrong with them?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course we would need a constitutional amendment to change who can vote in the US'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm, your rebuttal to that ultra-conservative-defective was okay'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'other than it also being politically infeasible it could actually solve alot of our overovernance problem'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'people would be a lot less likely to want to be net government benefit receivers if being one removed their voting privleges'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but as I pointed out to my "friend" what it means to be a net benefitor or net payer for government means something entirely diferent than a number on a 1040 form'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but I ask again zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what do the police do, that we actually want them to do, besides protect people and their property from criminal activity?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but then some of your suggested remedies to the "tax" dilemmas are "suspect", especially in view of the fact you are studying "Law" - something seems missing'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and if you accept that this is the role of the police then why shouldn't the revenue to pay for such services be based on the value of the things protected'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I would point out that most city police are paid for in this fashion (and through ticket revenue but that I think creates the entirely wrong sorts of incentives for the police)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'counter-sidebar: Education: Children benefit - force them to pay y/n?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that isn't police'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'generally education is funded through real estate taxes also, I am not sure if I agree with this, but I am not sure i agree with public school in general so meh.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Police investigate homicides: force the murdered victims to pay more y/n?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the one good thing about taxes is that they allow us to pool risk'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'to avoid that exact scenario'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'although an anacrocapitalist might suggest that'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as an alternative to taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the murdered victim is homeless, paid no police taxes -- police do not investigate y/n?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'morally obviously the answer is no the police should investigate'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'the status of the victim only matter if you view the punishing of crime merely as revenge'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'counter question though'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if a homeless person is murdered in your neighborhood would you want the police to investigate it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if the answer is yes then I don't see a problem with your property taxes going to pay for it'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no arperon we were discussing what would be fair ways to pay for government services'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so this has nothing to do with revenge'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'my hypothesis is that we, the people, want police to exist to protect us and our property. And my conclusion from this is that police services should be paid for by property taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'I just meant that if you feel the only benefactor of the murder being investigated are the victim and his/her family then you must view revenge as the only purpose in punishing the crime at all'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't feel that way at all, I am merely espousing a "fair" system to pay for government services.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are going to be a lawyer, do not be so "clueless" as to the gaping holes of simplistic (flippant?) "remedies" - but maybe the legal systems in the USA is so corrupted that "if a lawyer may fool the courts with atrociously bad arguments, heh, why not"'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nothing I have said so far has any place in a court argument'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am arguing about policy not law'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what ought we do, and why.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not what the law is, and did my client violate it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'policy, law, not much difference, since both are open to (mis)interpretation '
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you've lost me zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I refer you to my original question, what besides protecting people and property from criminal activity do we want the police to do, as a society?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'presumably investigating murder would fall under protect persons from crime.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade may've watched (too much) "Law & Order" fiction  
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'maybe.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, was kidding'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if it eases your worries know that unless something goes terribly wrong with my career plans I will never be practicing criminal law anyway'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you still haven't answered my question though'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'also do you have a better mechanism to pay for police services than the one I proposed?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is slightly worried if Emm became a politician or a judge - xchan
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what does xchan mean?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bamboo: 'wrong channel?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'from context I don't think that was it'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'perhaps he meant he was leaving the channel'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'xchan - no comment - delete - disregard - no actually there - there but not there -- maybe'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'new topic, does debating things actually accomplish anything in this modern age of self-selectable news sources and political polarization?'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may (also) depend on the "quality" of the debate contributions'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well then I am doomed, because clearly I suck at debating'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope, you did contribute (pasted or copied) reemingly relevant facts.  Some of your (part-formed, half-baked?) opinions require "work" (and perhaps experience)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'most of my ideas are rather well baked, but I tend to present them regardless of their political acceptability'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'unless we are particularly discussing political feasibility'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'you even "forced?" Tigernuts to debate properly (some), (as different to the usual Tigernuts trolling)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am not sure if tigernuts really is a troll anymore than you are'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you just both believe some really wild (and wildly different) things.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't think he actually says things for shock value or to derail conversations or the like'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as someone recently pointed out to me, just because someone disagrees with me doesn't make them a troll.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'refusing to actually engage in the debate, attempting to derail the conversation, or just saying thing to piss people off'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'those are troll behaviors'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is the temporary new number 6 here.  Zade suspects Tigernuts is pretending to be the new number 2, or maybe another paranoid inhabitant of The Island (Aardwolf or the Internets)
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Tigernuts recently accused Zade of being a spy for some covert government agency -- classic trolling that .... unless Tigernuts is the covert spy !?!)'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'one comment does not make a troll I don't think, but I take your point.'
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts "believes" or says that "all socialists are communists!" (paraphrased) -- and then Tigernuts goes about accusing others (that seem socialist) of being communist. :( '
T3/r7/2013-12-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but "comrade Tigernuts" dislikes the Monarchy  (anybody that dislikes the British Monarchy is (likely) a comunist, since communists dislike the royalty.)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and now kmart is part of the sears holding company'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'communism is socialism taken to it's natural conclusion, zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'last night Zade was criticising people on debate for being dishonest. Hypocrit!'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Report on the BBC shows not only are UK kids more stupid than their parents, but will be financially poorer'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'but their GCSE & A level grades are much better...'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Not really, GCSE's are a far weaken qualification than what they replaced'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A levels are so weak compared to the old A-levels that universities typically have to have a foundation year or at least a foundation semester to bring undergraduates up to the level tehy would have expected'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is what happens when you have a centrally controlled, planned and micromanaged education system'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the same thing that happens when you have a centrally planned and controlled economy, it goes to shit'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Colorado shooter turned out to be an occultist, an active socialist activist and went to shoot members of the debate teams that were libertarian and/or conservative'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'libertarians can get pretty annoying at times, I think we all agree, but this is probably an excessive response'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a typical socialist response to not being able to win an argument'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, you are right'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, at least half the left wing population have turned a gun on someone and shot them at some point in their life'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that statement would be more correct if you'd said "in the past, left wing have turned a gun on the population and killed half of them"'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'just last week, I was arguing with a post-trotsyite on the place of the continuous revolution in modern society, and I had to shoot him'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't support shooting people, but well done'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he/she will now be one with the universe and has achieved the ultimate equality'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ah, hold on, I thought you were criticising people for shooting others, and now you think it's a good thing?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you seem a little bit of a conflicted individual? '
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad you understand the complexity of the situation'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shooting people isn't something i'd want to do'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'perhaps you should see someone about it. You can probably get anger management councilling'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? you're the person who shot someone'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'or better counselling'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yeah, but he was asking for it, so that's a different issue'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you shot someone and you want me to have counselling? are you a closet democrat?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no, I am a typical leftie -- what's your excuse?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't need an excuse'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think of the mainstream media "editting" away reference to the shooters political beliefs and motivations for shooting?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Swalec shrugs
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'probably they didn't think it was terribly relevant'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's only relevent if they're vaguely right wing?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'not really, no'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately your statement is not backed by the facts'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, we had years of religious violence in the UK, and generally speaking no one ever mentioned the religion'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'likewise, the religious christian against muslim violence in Yugoslavia'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a persons politics, beliefs or ideology informed or gave cause to the motivation for the act, then it's relevent'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'that depends, really'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't understand a persons reasons for doing something, how can you be fully informed of the story?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, if someone is motivated to cause an act by voices whispering in their head, the fact that they have voices might be relevant, but exactly what the said there voices said is not so'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it might be'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what if those voices came about because influence and the content inferred the motivation of that influence, or at least explained it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and if you think the media is anything providing full information, then you are not fully informed'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's the whole point, media only provides the information necessary to portray the story in the way that they want. Media is biased. All of it. They all have a bias whether due to the way they're funded, the political leanings of the funders, or because of the ideology or agenda of the people/organisation themselves'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to believe otherwise is deeply foolish'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best you can do is understand the biases and make appropriate allowances'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, you think the media has a left-wing bias?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some is left, some is right'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't take a genius to work out which is which'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and you think that the failure to report someones political opinions after they comit a relatively random act of violence is a strong indicator of this?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, the paper that originally posted the piece and later edited it is a left wing outlet'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a stretch to consider that the editing was done in line with it's bias'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably a failure of editorial oversight that it was put in in the first place, but i guess that's the nature of 24hr immediate news'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do you think that an unreasonable postulation?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or do you believe stories in media are not written with a political bias?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess Swalec drunk the arsenic kool aid and gave himself to the great socialist in the sky'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'difficult to see how they could not be. However, in general, I wouldn't use a case like this to support my petty conspiracy theory that all the world is against me. '
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Nor would I choose to broadcast the ill-informed and rather offensive statement that attempting to murder random people is "typical left-wing behaviour".'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'but, hey, you may differ'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, that's a mischaracterisation - it IS a typical left wing ploy to attack people who they don't agree with and can't win an intellectual argument against. Maybe not with guns, but usually by calling them racist or some such'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and nowhere was it said the whole world was 'against me''
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: '[17 Dec 06:58:02] (Debate) Tigernuts: it was a typical socialist response to not being able to win an argument'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, attacking people is'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, well, sorry if sometimes you get criticised for being a racist, but hey, at least it's not as low down and pathetic as accusing people of being random murderers'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's true, the guy only actually managed to kill himself, so i guess i should randomly (but accurately) accuse him of being an attempted murderer'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Swalec waits patiently, although probably in vain, for an apology
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you want me to apologise for a materially insignicant element? sure, i'm sorry'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'thanks'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he managed to kill himself and only seriously injure 2 others. I'd rather they weren't hurt, but at least that's one less nutjob in the world'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest poll puts Obama in second place in all time worst approval ratings at this point in presidency, second only to nixon'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bode: 'like it matters'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'arbitrary measurement of the feelings of the sheeple, it's a sensor, nothing mroe'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Using a new revolutionary process that was funded by the Dept of Energy - US, a team of researchers have figured out a way to convert ALGAE into bio oil in less than an hour.  The process can run continually, like a refinery.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What's more, a further water-processing step recovers methane  essentially natural gas  from the leftover plant material. The remaining nitrogen-rich water and recovered phosphorous can be recycled to grow more algae.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'a transportation system run by algae is closer than you think.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'On about one-third of the world's agricultural lands, farmers have maxed out the amount of rice, wheat and corn they can grow, according to a new study. '
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and since those farmers are not replacing rare-minerals leeched out from those farms, the nutritional value of those foods is also dropping'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'It would be easy to replace the minerals.....just add rock dust every year after the harvest.  It takes about 6 months for rock dust, or wood ash to get the remineralization process going.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'don't think it is quite that easy, just because it is there doesn't mean it is avalable to a plant'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I add rock dust to my gardens.....it is amazing the vegetables I get.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course I also use a fertilizer liquid made from rabbit manure, and a compost made from horse manure.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'some plants won't uptake at lower temps'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'greenhouse + wood stove = year round vegetables.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'not that you need a wood stove for greens.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'but if you want tomatoes in December....it helps.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'take more then a woodstover to keep them healthy here'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I also like to grow long beans as long as possible.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k9ginkCl5Oo'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, Drezner's response to accusation that mass phone data gathering is a breech of the 4th ammendment was: "If we didn't collect all this data and had to get a warrant for each case, it would be difficult because every phone company stores data differently"'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"rofl" indicates that Tigernuts is saying "Good show, Drezner"'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this was the funniest headline though: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/16/21927658-us-nato-express-concern-over-russian-missile-deployment-near-border?lite'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'using the Tigernuts faulty logic, "Oppressive feudalism is capitalism taken to natural conclusioo".'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in what way?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'btw, Drezner was both stating the obvious and also not attempting to defend the indefencable'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts prods Zade into action!
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently, (unregulated) capitalism is resulting in all the world riches being consolidated into the coffers of several thousand humans -- the other poors human are treated as inconsequential selfs (and the Tigernuts flat-rate tax in that scenario is an abomination)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'where is there "unregulated capitalism" currently?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so no, i don't agree then, since capitalism wouldn't be oppressive feudalism, just corporate feudalism '
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'all I see when I look around is regulated corporatism and mercantilism'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, flat rate tax is not an abomination, it's efficient and fair'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no flat rate taxes are inherently regressive'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and corporatism won't be regulated if they push TPP through'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least, won't be regulated by sovereign governments'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(all the tax revenues likely shall be redirected to the providing for rich in that scenario -- (the poor may perhaps benefit or starve from the pennies of their paid flat-rate taxes)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and income tax is considerably less regressive than sales tax, fuel duty, national insurance tax and property tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'currently, corporate feudalism is becoming oppressive'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, thank globalisation for that'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am actually in the process of trying to write a paper that hypothesises that no matter how taxes are assigned the markets are pressured to cause the tax burden to fall on those who have the least barganing power (the middle class and working poor) and those with the most barganing power (the ultra rich) end up bearing the least of the burden'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you require an academic paper to state the bleeding obvious?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'Emm, not in Sweden for sure'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'homer I think you are misunderstanding the point I am raising'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) HomerSimpson: 'here, we tax the shit out of anyone who makes anything that resembles a fortune ;)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"socialism shall be sesame street okay if they push XYZ and ABC and D thru W with the numbers 0 through 9 through" - (expletive buzzwords) (Toilet Paper Program, bah!)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the question isn't who pays what at the tax bill, but rather what effects that has on market prices and buying power'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'just because rich people are paying more in taxes doesn't mean they are worse off, if they are able to demand more pay to compensate them for the higher taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'economics is astonishingly unscientific'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a combination of statistics, ideology and bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the extreme rich are already demanding more and also demanding to pay less or no taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is not scientific (but not astonishingly)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(hackneyed cliches, tsk)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'postive economics seems pretty scientific to me.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'normative economics is really just math based ethics.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot accurately model the economic system without simplifying it so much that it is no longer real-world applicable'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they could, then we wouldn't all be broke'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(as countries)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again tigernuts you are conflating complex and incomprehensible'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no i'm not'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to prove a model you have to apply it to real world and have it produce good results'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is a mole troll (stooge), yet to determine for which (society-undermining) camp Tigernuts is working'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which people do all the time'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they do all the time and come up short'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is currently in naysayer mode'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'apparently'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'realist mode'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how is making blanket statements unsupported by data realism?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"can't be done" mode is not "realist" mode (not an effective mode)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm looking at the 90%+ gdp to debt ratio and the 90billion deficit (being hidden by dodgy accounting procedures because in reality it's double that) and thinking: This is proof that economists that informed government policy over the last 30 years are not good models'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't say you couldn't model, i said such models are rubbish'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can build a rubbish model'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'could you provide some evidence that government policy has been significantly affected by economists?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'horrible government policy does not have any particular implications on economics'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'plus model building is only a tiny part of positive economics'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a lot of it is data mining, and hypothesis testing'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so Tigernuts is looking (at something gooblededook) and coming up "clueless", and then expressing a naysayer opinion ("the sky is falling" loosely paraphrased)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're clutching at straws, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is not clutching at the Tigernuts straws
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have to excuse me if i put absolutely no faith in economists who have the predictive power of badger entrails'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since the economy is such shit-hot state i guess they must have got it sussed'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/george-osbornes-favourite-economists-reinhart-1838219'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the other hand, if you come up with a paper that pushes flat rate income tax, flat rate sales tax, corporation tax that involves a percentage of profits or percentage of turnover, and a few targeted product-specific duties, then i'll probably endorse it'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Tigernuts endorsement is not worth much in positve values'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think he just said that he would support any paper that agreed with his preconceptions'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing to do with preconceptions and everything to do with ideology'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alternatively, you can suggest what you like so long as it doesn't cost me more money or freedom'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what country do you live in tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"live" is a strong term, "survive" would be more accurate'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nothing I suggest would cost you any money or freedom'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i find that extremely hard to believe'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since I am not suggesting policy for the UK'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but for the US'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, the only way i can judge is how it would affect me were i in the USA, i would weight it up based on freedom, liberty, and fairness'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so suggest away'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I have made my suggestions, taxes for police and military should be based on real and personal property values (the value of the things being protected), other taxes should be used to counter externalities that are not easily resolvable via individual or class liability mechanisms.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'taxes should not be based on things that we do not wish to discourage (so income and payroll taxes are bad).'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so basically a regressive property tax (which is no different to now and based on a lie since police do not protect personal property) and externality taxes that make national industry, especially SME's less competitive leading to job losses'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you are insane.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which I guess with a name like tigernuts makes sense'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are the direct results of what you're saying'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'police do not protect personal property?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, they do not'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor do they have a duty to protect you'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the purpose of the police are the enforce statutes and protect the establishment'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whatever you think they SHOULD be doing is irrelevant and/or secondary'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'secondly, as we have all experienced, if you add tax or cost burden to industry at home, it moves somewhere else. This is why fuck all is built in the UK and US where costs are high, and everything is built in China, Mexica and Central America where costs are low'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'none of this is crazy, insane, none of it requires degrees in economics'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so if your car gets stolen police will not investigate it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'extremely unlikely'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and if it gets found they will not return it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it gets found, they will impound it and charge you a signifcant fee for it's storage and another fee for it's release'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think you have a warped view of how police function'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'generally the best you can hope for if you get something nicked is a crime report number so you can give it to your insurance company'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you smoking crack? that's what happens'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you're an important person, you aren't going to have it investigated'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and all of this is actually beside the point since the question is not what police do, but rather why we, as citizens and taxpayers, should support their existence'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, i don't'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(at least, not in their current format/purpose)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well thats a personal problem'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'do you think national defense is a valid thing to pay for?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what they do is entirely relevent to whether we support their existence'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and why do you think we should support the existence of national defense forces'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would support the existence of a police force if their sole purpose was to use law to protect me and my property from the misdeeds of others'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'protecting the country from foreign invaders is an important service that cannot be provided at an individual level, but is needed by all'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as long as you don't mean only protecting you from others'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as in police shouldn't protect others from your misdeeds'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or protect others from others misdeeds for that matter'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by protecting me from the misdeeds of others, i mean implicitly everyone from the misdeeds of everyone else'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so you agree that we should have some police, even if the ones we have now aren't doing it rit'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'right even'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subject to that 180 degree role change, yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and in this ideal country where we have police and military that actually do what we want them to do instead of starting foreign wars and harrassing people for personal choices that harm noone'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how should we fairly pay for those services?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'out of general taxation as laid out in the 3 areas mentioned previously'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yeah this is pointless you are immune to reason'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'im done arguing with you'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialist coming out now? you don't like my answers so it's pointless?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what does that have to do with socialism?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you asked specific questions and i gave you answers along with justification'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what justification for income tax?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most efficient way of collecting revenue based upon someone's ability to pay'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so who is the socialist now?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you just proposed a system of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'pretty much classic marxism'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also a very broad term'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since the only type of taxation it would preclude is one which has inverse bands, or is zero, or is 100%, or is a fixed dollar amount'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'socialism doesn't work, it has been proven in the real world time and time again'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it works if you have a small enough population and an incorruptable system'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and a population that is content to participate'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'when you tax income you depress the economy'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there's your luck'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you say you worry that a carbon tax would depress the economy, but assuming you used the revenues to directly offset income taxes it would probably improve the economy.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'carbon taxes would disproportionately affect the poor by putting prices up'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'How so?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'enery consumption is strongly correlated with income'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'debate and also with wealth'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'energy is something that is purchased across the wealth spectrum. If sales tax is regressive, then carbon tax will also be'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK's green taxes on electric are a prime example'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real life example proving the point. Similar has happened in Australia'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'energy use is strongly correlated with income, while general purchases is not'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's bull'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you can make either one regressive or not regressive'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but its easier with energy than with general sales'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're taxing the supplier then you don't have an option to make it non-regressive'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm, that was Christianity, that is not Marxism'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because you cannot dictate to the energy companies that they charge poor people less than rich people'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'uhm zade it was a QUOTE from Marx'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we can and do'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot here'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither could they, it would be against EU law'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we are talking about the US (as stated at the beginning)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'aha!  Emm admits to reading Marx'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if TPP gets passed, US will not be able to'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I have a BS in Philosophy of course I have read Marx'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I have also read the bible, that doesn't make me christian'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shouldn't that be a BA in Philosophy?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you can get either at most universities'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'calling philosophy a science is a bit of a fucking push'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the diference between a BA and a BS has to do with how much general studies was part of the program.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '1) philosophy is one of the two pure sciences'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '2) BS has very little to do with whether the subject is a science or not.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm said a "BS"'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bachelor of Science, clue is in the name'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'BSc'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you can get a BS in english too'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I can't imagine calling english a science :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'also you can get a doctorate of philosophy in physics'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the degree names don't really corrispond to the subject matter'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can get a BSc in WindSurfing too, doesn't make it right or worthwhile'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well I wasn't arguing that'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'off to bed, i'll leave you with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3MHpvTj86f0'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the slogan was common to the socialist movement and was first used by Louis Blanc in 1839, in "The organization of work". The origin of this phrasing has also been attributed to the French utopian Morelly, who proposed in his 1755 Code of Nature "Sacred and Fundamental Laws that would tear out the roots of vice and of all the evils of a society"'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the gist of the phrase was also used in separate sections of the New Testament   Matthew 25:15: " .. to each according to his ability .."'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'are you still on that zade?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'socialists (and Karl Marx) plagiarised or copied concepts from the New Testament'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'be that as it may'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the point was that he was espousing a marxist sentiment'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I made the point, he admitted to it, and we moved on'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why are you still talking about it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'yep, when you false accuse somebody of Marxism based upon Christian concepts, that is bad'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it isn't false that was a marxist sentiment'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the fact that marx got some of his sentiments from prior socialist works (including the new testament) is immaterial'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong inference by you though'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'wat inerence did I make?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'inference even (stupid f key)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'christians use the sentiments expressed by Jesus Christ, the apostles, and Paul, and they are likely to take umbrage against you Emm for accusing them of Marxism (you are a pariah)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'decent Socialists despise Communists, and despise Marxism'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_ability,_to_each_according_to_his_need'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'In the novel "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand, the slogan is used by anti-capitalist factions. Rand spends time refuting the idea behind the slogan, and it was Rand's belief that the phrase was actually an expression of sadism. (in part II chapter 10)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"And if you ever want to see pure evil you should see the way her eyes glinted when she watched some man who'd talked back to her once and who'd just heard his name on the list of those getting nothing above basic pittance. And when you saw it, you saw the real motive of any person who's ever preached 'From each according to his ability, to each according to his need'."'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zade you are an idiot sorry'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm, you are clueless and callous'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'communism is a form of socialism, and Marx is the father of both of them'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes there were earlier socialist writers, but he solidified it and made it rigorous'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'communism is not a form of decent socialism'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who said decent?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesus Christ is perhaps the father of decent socialism '
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sure he is zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we have soo many of his writtings available to make that claim'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'socialism must be decent to be (decent) socialism'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what does that even mean?'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I can't help but feel you're tiptoeing around No True Scotsman.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm. you are clueless'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm is agreeing with that Jhav person again...
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"seeing you shall see yet not perceive"'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zade you are ignorant'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own confusion: wandering stars, to whom the storm of darkness is reserved for ever." - Jude 1:13'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'communism is a form of socialism, end of story'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'JC probably didn't exist and if he did he certainly wasn't anything like the NT describes him'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"But these men blaspheme whatever things they know not: and what things soever they naturally know, like dumb beasts, in these they are corrupted." Jude: 1:10'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and while the NT is vaguely socialistic, it cannot be really considered the beginning of socialism'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and quoting (or misquoting) some particular flavor of the NT does not actually make any sort of argument.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"In like manner, these men also defile the flesh and despise dominion and blaspheme majesty." Jude 1:8'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Who told you that in the last time there should come mockers, walking according to their own desires in ungodlinesses." Jude 1:18'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think zade is attempting to get me to put him back on ignore :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I don't think it would change anything in any way if you did.  He'll natter on with or without you.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'Possibly quite a bit less, actually.'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"These are they who separate themselves, sensual men, having not the Spirit." Jude 1:19'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade (in Tiny Tim voice) "tiptoe through the tulips, .. what's this .. a 'No True Scotsman' ?!?"  (evil grin)  "Stomping through the ..."
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i thought pretty much all the gains were linear'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and of course the knowledge of mud/database'
T3/r7/2013-12-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in reality more like 120-130'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Marx is dead and his ideas should die with him'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't anyone else concerned that Google, in the very recent past, have bought up 4 of the top companies that had been developing animal/humanoid robots for the military'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amorok: 'so? Earth is running out of animal '
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'earth animals don't exist for the purpose of killing humans, Google robots do'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK BoE want to bring in plastic banknotes'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's a left wing plot -- once the money lasts for ever, they will be able to redistribute it more easily'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't last for ever, it's not the reason they want to bring it in'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the clue is in the fact that as they bring new notes in, the old ones stop being legal currency'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they change our notes here every 10yrs or so to prevent the public holding cash'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yep, that's why they do it'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, that whole stuff about preventing counterfeit is just, well, counterfeit'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, on record, it's because the UK's population is welfare-dependant, and that welfare dependence requires that they monitor people's bank accounts because entitlement is wealth-dependent'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'counterfeiting notes hasn't been a problem for decades'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you are right, everybody just uses plastic these days'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'digital fraud is far easier and more efficient, and easier to commit on a grand scale'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, that's why banks commit it :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for plastic notes, they wash! provided they don't make the old notes illegal. If they just took them out of circulation naturally as they came in (which is how they remove dirty and damaged notes) then I would have no issue with it'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, there will be an overlap period'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I suspect the plastic ones will require quite a few changes though, for example, to money handling machines'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I doubt it's in anyones interest to have two systems overlapping for a long time'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest readings show that medicaid will swipe money from your estate after you die if you're over 55 and qualified for free healtcare'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the overlap period will be short and aimed at corporate concerns'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, democrats are blocking gop bid to halt cuts to retired military vets pensions'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're a scumbag who lives of the state and has multiple kids you can't afford, they'll throw money at you all day, but if you fought for your country in illegal wars abroad, you get screwed'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsIpQpR2ZaI'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ryan-murray budget deal passing is a slap in the face for americans'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'man has cops called on him by neighbour for washing his own car in his own yard'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, "The Big Picture" TV program is hilarious, Emm would love it'
T3/r7/2013-12-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'slowing of stimulus has been announced, expect stock market to fall'
T3/r7/2013-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see the fake liberals are attacking duck dynasty guy because he's not gay'
T3/r7/2013-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those duck dynasty guys are duck murderers'
T3/r7/2013-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'though killing Scrooge McDuck may be honorable, murdering the poor ducks is not acceptable'
T3/r7/2013-12-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may be also okay to kill Daffy Duck'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'scrooge mcDuck is the best of the ducks'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Ohio are moving to prevent kids being given a proper education by law'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meanwhile, New York cCity votes to ban e-cigs in public'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'For the budget years 2014-2015, Texas will have a budget surplus of almost $3 billion.....And Since the economy tanked in 2008, Texas has regained all the lost jobs and added another 600,000 new jobs to the state economy as of 2013.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'cool, so the solution to unemployment, is to move to texas'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'let's bus all the unemployed to texas.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can only go to texas if you promise to live by the constitution and stop voting for more government and taking peoples gun rights'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think that it is all the new wind turbines going up in Texas that has made everything better there.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'We will send them back.   Keep your welfare problems to yourself. :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'rizgoth is there a way for everyone to be happy, without deporting anyone?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, keep the spongers out'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sure, go start a business.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'send them to california'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ok, i want to go start a business. but my state's incorporation costs are lame. should i move to nevada first, or just pay for a registered agent?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Indiana also has also been doing relatively well (as compared to the rest of the country) and we have also greatly expanded our commericial wind power in the last few years.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas is 3rd in the nation of new business starts, behind Rhode Island and Nevada, because they are corporate sweet spots for businesses.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i dunno man, i hear horror stories about gary indiana from the guys who are roomates of the drug dealer down the parking lot from me'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'er Delaware, not rhode island.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't Gary'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't Gary, Indiana that deserted place?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'well i know the roomate definitely doesnt live there anymore'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Yes Gary isn't doing well, but that is mostly Chicago and Michigan's fault'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, if your roommate still lived there...then you'd be living there as well :P'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'abelinc, not my roomate.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and overall the state is still doing great.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'the roomate of the drug dealer who lives down the parking lot from me.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am still not sure how that puts you as not living there too'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'unless the parkinglot crosses state lines or something'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Oil/Gas revenue in Texas is up 68% since 2010.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'helluva long drug run'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'abelinc nah, dont let my lab work fool you, i dont do drugs'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Only North Dakota has increased its oil and gas production more than Texas in the last 3 years.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'rizgoth what's your view on that keystone pipe '
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Depends'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'If it is built, the price of oil will increase in the middle of the US and Canada.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'But at the same time, it will allow Canada to export 2 million barrels a day down to the gulf to be exported overseas.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Right now all that oil is being shipped out of north dakota by rail.......a pipeline sucking 500,000 barrels a day would slow that a bit until production picked up again.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Right now, the middle states are enjoying a lower cost for gasoline because of the oil glut, WTI crude is selling for about $10-15 less than north sea crude, but that margin is getting much smaller as more oil is being shipped out of the midwest to the coasts.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'What would be better though is to build the Alaska Gas Pipeline....that project would cost $15 billion or so, and allow natgas to be sent to Asia.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gas is $8.20 a gallon'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's what green taxes do to you'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska has about $200 billion of natgas sitting in the ground waiting to be exported to Asia, but the oil companies wont spend the money to build the pipeline.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'rizgoth do you ever feel like life is too short'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nope, but the day is too short.....add another 12 hours to it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hmm, your gas taxes pay for a mass transit system and vacations to the med for its managers.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'of course I would love to see the federal gas tax in the US increased by 1 penny per year for 10 years.  The feds are really good at spreading the highway funds around to fix and build new roads.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they are?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Texas has some of the best roads around. :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'thanks to federal and state gas taxes.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'and your lack of winter weather'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'here in Illinois, they basically slop down asphalt and call it a road'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'in some places, i can't tell what's the original road, and what's the patched (fixed?) road'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Illinois is the only state where the governers make the liscense plates.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Here they add rubber from old tires to the concrete mix to help the roads last 20% longer....most roads here are concrete, not asphalt.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'only 3 of our governors'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't pay for that, riz'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'and the last one is in Denver :D'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'concrete doesn't work here, it heaves'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, to be fair, our weather can go from -20 to 110 over the course of a year, so I'm sure that makes it much harder on the roads'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'but other states seem to deal with the same issues'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to be fair, our roads are in better nick than yours, but also constantly busy'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so out of the last 30 years, how many of those years did is it true for that the then occupent of the State House eventually went to jail?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Then your engineers should dig down to below the frost line and then refill it with stable gravel, then build the road....would add about 35% to the cost, but it would reduce the heaves a lot, and the road would last longer....'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'They do that in Alaska.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but then no one would get paid to patch the roads constantly'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you think it's a jobs-for-the-boys scam, Razkin?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'I'm just saying, there's a lot of bids that seem to go to a very select few contractors here'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same happens here, and i totally agree'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'especially up here near Chicago'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well Chicago is mafia government central'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I guess that is part of the reason why Texas has been so successful, we try to control that kind of stuff, and not spend money on things that are not really necessary.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'Union wages aren't exactly bad, here, either'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'careful, the NSA monitors Aard carefully'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you mean your state isn't run by democrat douchebags and corporate mafia, Rizgoth?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'no, Texas is business friendly, but in a fair and balanced way....It tries not to do favoritism.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you know of Thom Hartmann?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Houston has had a lesbian mayor for 2 terms now, and was just elected to a 3rd term.....Houston is one of the fastest growing cities in the country jobwise and in many other categories.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and since the jet stream changed course, even the air smells a little better in houston. :p'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it looks like Glen Greenwald is a sell-out'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts it looks vladimir putin likes syria'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a good role model for homosexuals, is he?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'syrian looks like it might splinter, kurds want their own country, and they have a good case'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I make decisions on people based on what they do, not who they are.  As long as Texas keeps growing which it has been.....even rick perry has done a good job.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'rick would have been a pretty good president.....'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than his HPV vaccine thing'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger i still would rather get a smallpox shot'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't smallpox extinct?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i mean seriously, whats a greater risk. smallpox being dug up/ and or sent in by the ukrainians, the chinese, the tajiks, or so on'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't likely'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'or ... hpv being given to a computer user'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'i mean sure, i could see the example of a highly promiscuous person engaging in liasons with multiple partners in a state of altered consciousness from a mix of viagra, adam, and alcohol'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'adam?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'but how often does a person who spends 8 hours+ a day at a computer, get laid?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's nothing wrong with offering sexually active girls a free HPV vaccine, but forcing all 11yr olds to have it is a bit of a stretch'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially given that it's such a dodgy vaccine in the first palce'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far worse than those dumbarse flu shots they've been pushing for a couple of years'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger not only is it of questionable benefit, but i think letting parents wait until their girls are, oh, of legal age to have sex, might make more sense'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's one aspect of why not to, VD, but also, mandatory?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger mandatory is such a funny thing. in my state they have waver forms that say they wont let you wave it just cause you say no, but they dont exactly go and check out the reasons people get a waiver'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'if you wait until they are of "legal age", many will contract the disease before receiving the vaccine'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'vost really ? how? by being raped? is it a vaccine against diseases carried by rapists?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'are you really that naive?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i have to get on my libertarian high horse here: Provide the education. Provide the vaccine free if it's wanted. Don't force everyone'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'vost explain to me who came up with the idea that 11 year old girls are going around having sex with partners that have hpv'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think the idea is that you vaccinate before there is much chance that they have had sex at all since such a large proportion of the adult population has HPV'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it is true that girls are promiscuous these days, VD'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '(I am not here trying to advocate for or against it since I have no dog in the race)'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the degredation of culture and parenting for you'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'emm okay, so why not have parents vaccinate the girls when they feel that the timing is right'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or if the girls want it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'is it that society doesnt think parents will be aware of whether or not their daughters are having sex?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I thought those vaccines worked for like 3 out of 100 variations of the virus?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure, tintin, certainly the flu virus is a boondoggle to make drugs companies a fortune'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'emm on a side note, i havent heard of a large portion of the adult population having hpv. mostly just people in the 20-40 age bracket'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes they are supposed to work for the strains that have been shown to cause cervical cancer'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd never even heard of HPV in the UK, let alone a vaccine'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts there are plenty of vaccines i'd love to get before i'd worry over the flu, but some people have immune systems already stressed or compromised by other problems, so i cant say flu shots are a total waste'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'two strains - which cause 70% of cervical cancer'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: '"waiting til marriage" or " getting tested with your partner before you have sex " both seem like solid alternatives to vaccination to me'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost rolls on the floor laughing at 2/3 Flying VampireDude's antics!
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so i can't personally advocate a mandantory vaccination of someone '
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'those alternatives do not generate much profit, do they?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tintin well, marriages are pretty dang expensive, you gotta buy the florist, rent space, calligraphers, dresses, tuxes, etc'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and dude, the rings...'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'incidentally, i've had to get my hep a and hep b shots 6 times, because schools wouldnt recognize the shot record from the v.a. or the previous school. '
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so if i ever get hep a or hep b, i'm gonna be pissed off.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'but its next to impossible to get some vaccines that are in my person circumstance, far more important'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'so i'm a little irked by how widespread vaccines for things that i have very low risk for, i.e. flu, are'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'they should check your Hep B antibody status before re-vaccinating'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nah, the student health insurance covers the shot, not the antibody test'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'Hep A vaccine wears off fairly soon'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost goes, "Hmmmm."
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'why do you need Hep A & B vaccination?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'are you in a high risk job?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'vost nah, its a requirement for the school'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'just a regular school?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'teaching kids?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: '-5 h'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'h -5'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's Texas's income tax and sales tax rates?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Modi: 'they have property tax not income tax iirc'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so not 70% then :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'texas has no income tax.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'sales tax is 8.5%'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is it in california?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: '10% or so if you make more than $200 a year....:p'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, the top rate is 9.5% or so for people who make more than $600k or something.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which makes the total tax rate what?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'much higher than Texas.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would move to Canada before moving to California, if it was my choice.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cackle'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'At least we can balance our budget.....and make a surplus during a recession....'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'then again, Texas is not in a recession, and never was.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and isn't shit'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'woo, it is going to be 28 F on sunday night.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Thats it....damn canadian cold air :p'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was that here the other night, typical for the time of year'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is 76 F right now.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's absurdly hot'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'nah, 76 F is perfect, that is our normal winter high temp.'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we are in a mini ice age this winter. :p'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'I'm sure that's your own fault for not using enough fossil fuels'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'exactly, do your part and use more gasoline!'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Rizgoth for a warmer Texas! 2014!'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go, mini ice age, that'll be global warming'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "Die Hard" movie was renamed to "Piège de cristal"  in french instead of "Meurs Dur" or "Mourez Dur"'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'french channels are like "guess the english name" of the movies or tvseries already seen'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"die-hard" in french is idiomatically "a tout crin", but Bruce Willis was follicle-challenged  ("le crin" is "the hair")'
T3/r7/2013-12-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but "Piège de cristal" is ? "Crystal Snare/Trap" - maybe alludes to the skyscrapers as glass-window building traps'
T3/r7/2013-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'French are just being French. They are best ignored'
T3/r7/2013-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bunch of commies'
T3/r7/2013-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'merry christmas, one and all, freedom seekers and commie bastards'
T3/r7/2013-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damned quiet tonight, where are all the trolls?'
T3/r7/2013-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'they are raising eating rabbits under a bridge'
T3/r7/2013-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: '-and-'
T3/r7/2013-12-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wonder if there are more trolls online because the lack of investment in infrastructure means that their homes are no longer safe'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so now it appears sailors who helped in the aftermath of Fukishima meltdown are coming out with cancer'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'coincidence/outliers/surely that can't be true'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'everyone knows radiation is good for you'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, nogs, and the bulk of the labour force up there are destitute, homeless, and people forced to go there, provided by the japanese mafia'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(which sounds even crazier, but is nevertheless true)'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/25/us-fukushima-workers-specialreport-idUSBRE99O04320131025'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not much different to Qatar using slaves to build soccer stadiums for the 2022 world cup'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'confiscating passports when they enter and keeping them in subhuman conditions without pay'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thank the west for their allies'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but as long as we're sanctioning Iran and bombing Syria, everything's OK, right?'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while we're western society bashing, why is it that we are moralised at by our governments and have absurd laws and taxes applied in the name of saving the planet, while at the same time the government achieves their 'targets' by shipping all their poisonous electrical waste to africa where it causes misery and illness to the population?'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the reality of it makes a mockery and a hypocrite out of anyone who supports green legislation as set out by current governments and supragovermental organisations like the EU and the UN'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more i hear about the recent budget passed, the more disgusting it is'
T3/r7/2013-12-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qLNNwHd75xo'
T3/r7/2013-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i was driving a car in the crhistmas rain and i think i stumbled on something.. phshysoclogical thing'
T3/r7/2013-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'there were pools of water.. and a lot of cars '
T3/r7/2013-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and it was incredibly annoying'
T3/r7/2013-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'there was a tiny challenge to keep the car on right track whenever there was a pool of water or another car coming.'
T3/r7/2013-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm.. and a huge difference in the annoyance level between approaching the pool(or a car) as a nuisance or as a racing challenge.'
T3/r7/2013-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but there is a simple switch.. that's what i found out'
T3/r7/2013-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its possible to switch between these attitudes'
T3/r7/2013-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the difference between these two was that when it was the nuisance - it had some worry. when "racing", there was exitement. absolutele everything else was the same.'
T3/r7/2013-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'what you think about that?'
T3/r7/2013-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'oh, and when "racing" then there was this 2 second ahead looking thing. when "what a nuisance" then it was like "oh, why dont you kill yourself, you dirty pool"'
T3/r7/2013-12-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bay area residents banned from burning wood on xmas? Why don't bay area residents tell their dictaters to piss orf?'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NBC released a useful video guide: "How to christmas shop while being black"'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tintin: 'So you have to make sure you're not white when you go shopping?'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take a white friend'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but not a hot one, since that has a different effect'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i guess doing a michael jackson would also work (becoming white, I mean, not fiddling with kids)'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody had to have a cold christmas because of San Francisco's authoritarians bylaws?'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'San Francisco Bay banned burning wood on Xmas ?!? -- darn, no Xmas-day KKK crosses'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'no disposing of body-parts at the Xmas-day bonfire either :('
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'didn't you find that move disagreeable, zade, or are you all for governments micromanaging peoples lives?'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is likely a valid reason that Xmasday wood-burning was banned in the San Francisco Bay area  (or maybe not)'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'mumerous area-wide fire-hazards, criminal disposal of evidence, criminal processing activity (burning insulation off stolen copper wire), pollution'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, given that most people don't have wood burners or open fires, i think that unlikely. Secondly, criminal evidence? Burning insualtion off stolen copper wire? Maybe we should ban watching television incase it was stolen. Perhaps we should ban cooking christmas turkey incase it was fed stolen grain'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the local bylaw was inspired by the same bullshit bad science green lobby that pushed electric cars '
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an extra 5.5%+ tax on health insurance policies in the USA goes into effect on Jan 1'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '+  a raise in income tax of 0.9% and 3.8% increase in capital gains tax for families earning more than $250k'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'merry xmas, love from the GOP and the Democrats'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in UK news, people who bought houses on flood plains shocked to discover their houses flood after heavy rainstorms'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dashiell snickers with Tigernuts about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dashiell: 'Fancy that now.'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't snicker, headline news for 2 days, just like when storm surges caused a fair bit of flooding and damage a few weeks ago. They all had 3 or 4 days warning yet still people without insurance got wiped out'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thank 60 years of government handholding for that'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wanted a dumbed down population entirely dependant on the government, they've got it'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like 780 property owners on New Jersey Shore are standing up to "Fast Bastard" Christie, the political heavyweight who is trying to rob land from them without paying due compensation'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'you use the term political heavyweight very appropriately, in his case'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'hah..get it, cuz he's fat'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Endtime bows deeply.
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad it wasn't lost on you'
T3/r7/2013-12-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '[26 Dec 07:17:55] (Debate) Tigernuts (trolled): '.. Burning insulation off stolen copper wire?  Maybe .. ban watching television incase it was stolen." <-- Tigernuts "remedy" to theft pollution (and fraudulent recycling) is to ban television watching '
T3/r7/2013-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'liberal talk radio is dying as schulz, hartmann, rhodes and colmes are thrown off the air in New York, in Los Angeles, Miller Rhodes, Press and Cruz are being dumped in favour of Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity. San Francisco are also dumping leftists. Is this another swing?'
T3/r7/2013-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only government-sponsored NPR remains in many major markets'
T3/r7/2013-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'NPR isn't truly liberal talk radio'
T3/r7/2013-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'Although many of the hosts and guests are definitely liberal it isn't liberal talk radio'
T3/r7/2013-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tasty Tipro: 'but there is liberal talk radio on Sirius/XM radio'
T3/r7/2013-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, i was wondering though if this change was behind the curve, or a reaction?'
T3/r7/2013-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially when i see polls coming from left wing sources that suggest the left will lose control of the senate in 14'
T3/r7/2013-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see US are making friends in India as a result of TSA performing legal 'rape' of one of their diplomats'
T3/r7/2013-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'They say exactly six people managed to successfully sign up for healthcare on healthcare.gov on rollout day.... sounds like amazing success'
T3/r7/2013-12-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A Pennsylvania court has declared that a state trooper who was previously hospitalized for depression should be banned from possessing firearms while off-duty, but should still be allowed to carry a gun while on-duty, granting him special concession while serving the state which he is not afforded as a private citizen.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wtf?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just to put things into perspective, the tax rises brought in by Obamacare amount to more money than the entire GDP of Denmark, Austria, Finland, Greece, Iraeland, Israel, Argentina, or Taiwan'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just keep telling yourself that it's free healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'what is the cost of *not* implementing Obamacare?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '0'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'wrong'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're right, the cost of unwinding is an administrative cost to all those insurance companies that had their hands in the till'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you need to calculate the benefits of having a healthier population too'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does having less healthcare for more cost make you a healthier population?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'maybe in some loony parallel universe, but it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'higher cost to those who previously could afford it, and accessible healthcare to those who couldn't i assume'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, that's not accurate at all, redryn'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'no?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'why not'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody is suddenly getting access to healthcare when they didn't already have it'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'people rarely include the economic cost of potential entrepreneurs who remain in dead-end jobs simply because said crappy job includes health benefits'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a tiny percentage are getting access to health -insurance- which is not the same thing'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'all the poor people bought insurance previously?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't need insurance to have access to healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'can the average person afford healthcare when shit happens?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have health insurance and i have access to healthcare. It's shit national  healthcare but it's healthcare all the same'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if shit happens, nobody can afford it'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'can you afford healthcare if you get cancer tomorrow and need a 50,000 op?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that's the point of insurance'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'risk spreading'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the theory, the practice is a legal means of gouging money out of people'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'well then the problem is with implementation rather than theory?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only practical method of spreading the risk is to have a single-payer government provided healthcare system'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately that leads to terrible care'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea well'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all you're doing in the US is destroying the existing system and replacing it with a much more expensive one where the banks and insurance companies can make a fortune in a controlled monopoly'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the point is that insurance does make a difference '
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would have done far better to tax health insurance and use it to provide a subsidised government plan'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'so you have to calculate the difference between people who land into shit without insurance previously and are now covered'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'not saying that necessarily it's better now'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but you can't just ignore the main benefit that was intended'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the difference is before they would have received charity care for free or reduced cost, now they get to use their subsisides insurance plan. There is no difference'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'did charity care exist for everyone?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you have figures for that?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'was it universally available, everywhere?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'subject to geographical variations, the system was available'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'that is easy to state from the comfort of your universal health coverage. i live it, it certainly wasn't available to me'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'that means nothing'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'insurance was available too...'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well what if under the new system, none of your local hospitals are participants? same situation'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're arguing over a difference in branding, that's all'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'well isn't the grand plan to have everyone covered?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'as opposed to spotty 'if you're lucky' charity'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never happens, redryn, even in a fully centralised system like the UK'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and i doubt the charities could afford really expensive stuff'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i would expect mandatory schemes to cover more than random charities'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but feel free to disprove me'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all you're doing is replacing "we can't afford this because we're a charity" with "we can't afford this, we're the government"'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the government isn't paying it...'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'insurance is paying it'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the downside is once you have government paying, there's no private sector alternative to go to'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and insurance cannot 'not afford it''
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, in a government system like the UK, insurance does not pay for it'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i thought we were talking about obamacare'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in an insurance system, the insurance does not necessarily cover it, they can exclude treatments that are expensive'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will evitably find that instead of the 50k op, you'll instead have 1k chemo'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'idk how bad your consumer protection laws are i guess'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but i can see a simple solution to that'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insurance companies are for making money, not paying for your cancer care'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being in the king capitalist country of the world, i thought you'd have noticed this'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm in the king capitalist country? :o'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'truer than you know :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea true i guess'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but anyway'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but really, pinning all your health hopes on insurance companies, that's madness'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'honestly the best thing that will come from Obamacare in the end will be the hospitals having to publicize their charge master sheets. gonna make a huge difference in my opinion'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't know the details on how the law was structured'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but they should have been legislated as to the types of treatments they must cover'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the fact that 50k ops are hella expensive are a matter of risk spreading'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and increases the premiums for everyone'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'definitely the average person will be paying higher premiums'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree, endtime, though that could have been done without upending the whole health system and charging people double'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but this is to be balanced against the advantage of people now having access to expensive healthcare'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't know if it's better or worse'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are tons of measure that didn't need a 13,000 law to improve the balance sheets of select financial institutions'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm just saying i think it's unfair for you to say there's 0 benefits of the scheme'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's my judgement, redryn'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if you accounted for the benefits and explained why they're negligble sure'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it singlehandedly failed to address the issue'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'but you need serious statistics to do that'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as opposed to using bogus statistics?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using "how many people have a health insurance policy" as a measure of how well your health system works is terrible'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after all, if UK used that measure it'd be <5%'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'just cos the government uses shitty arguments doesn't mean you should use shitty counterarguments :p'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'then you'll just get ignored as much as them :p'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'strawman, redryn'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've already said what would have been a better method'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'centralized government as insurer?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i think it's odd you would advocate that'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are huge dangers in having government-mandated corporate monopolies, we see it here with our energy and water'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'given the shift to privatization'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'are there monopolies in US in insurance?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'privatisation of core government services is a crime'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'or cartels?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in our energy and water supply, yes, redryn, there is'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm referring to the healthcare insurance system'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i don't think an insurance company monopolizes that'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't have a healthcare insurance system'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i was drawing parallels to markets in the UK where they -have- introduced monopolies'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok... i'm confused whether you're talking about uk or us now'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government is supposed to prevent cartels, not encourage them'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'because i know nothing about uk'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my alternative was a subsidised health plan from the government paid for by taxing the existing insurance plans, it would offer an utterly basic plan for the destitute'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a replacement for the system, it's a bolt-on to fix the perceived problem of poor people without insurance'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'let me just clarify in case i don't understand the US system... the government mandates that everyone should buy a healthcare insurance'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'is that essentially what happens?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is now, redryn'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'ok'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and you're saying this causes monopolization?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when the government dictates who is allowed to give provision, yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i see, so the problem is there's some sort of licensing restrictions on who 'counts' as an insurance provider?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's among them'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not as bad as picking a champion to do your provision (such as the Uk does with running prisons etc)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i'm not familiar with it, are insurance companies having difficulties getting registered as one of the recognized insurers?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most have given up trying because of the negative effects it would have on their business'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a result, there are precious few options open to many people on the exchanges'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why so many people's insurance have gone rocketing up in price'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is why so many hospitals and doctors have pulled out'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'imo the implementation is bad, not the idea'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'in theory you could have a mandated insurance arrangement with healthy competition'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was too much at once, redryn, there were some good ideas in it, such as putting a floor in to insurance policies and making it so that they could be compared easily'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'right'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'bad implementation'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well mandating is something of an ideological issue, i don't agree with mandating people buy something'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'car insurance is mandatory in most countries'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'do you disagree with that?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'you mandate people pay taxes, they're essentially required to buy an army'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i think mandatory car insurance makes a lot of sense'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'again it's a form of risk spreading'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does, but not necessarily in the form we have it'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not actually mandatory in the truest sense because you can opt not to drive'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea i don't disagree the implementation is probably bad'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, the risk spreading doesn't occur - an 18yr old here with a $1000 car will pay $5000 a year insurance'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'isn't it 3rd party insurance that you're paying for?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'minimally'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the cost to insure a 1000 car must be low'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'couldn't be more than 1000'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not insuring the $1000 car, you're insuring the person's car you hit'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'righ'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'right, so why do you say 3rd party is minimal'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and apparently, the reason UK insurance costs are so high is because of all the injury claims'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3rd party cover is the most minimal amount of cover'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'oh'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn nods.
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if in the UK they banned medical claims or set a ceiling of say $10k on them, and also ensured the most expensive policy was no more than 20 times the lowest, it would help'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'instead we're getting bullshit like people suggesting all cars have black box recorders'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'unfortunately motor accidents can lead to costs of more than $10k'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'backdoor NSA shit'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hold that thought'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'If, in the UK, we have government provided free healthcare and disabled welfare, if you accept that the healthcare system are doing what they promise, then there should be no requirement for medical payouts on care insurance'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you disagree, it would necessarily imply that the healthcare and welfare systems are not working as promised to necessitate the payout'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'well that would depend on who you think should be paying for the cost of an accident'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'assuming everything is working fine'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'healthcare or motor insurance are both possible sources'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all accidents have blame'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'however in car accidents, the blameworthy party would appear to be the one who caused the accident'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'does your insurance company have to pay if you're not to blame?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, what I do know is that your insurance premiums go up even if you are not to blame'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i guess that's because people don't contest claims?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just industry practice'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'interesting'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'probably got to do with risk'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's also law here that if you have an accident, even if you don't make a claim, you must inform your insurance company'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn nods.
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, redryn, which is why, despite there being no real sensible alternative, i don't like mandatory car insurance'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's corrupt as bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'problem is there is no alternative :p'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'costs have little to do with your actions'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'lots of things are the way they are because you can't think of something better'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you = anyone'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there is, you could have government mandated insurance, or you could have a system of bonds'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or you could wild-west it and just say that the causes pays the damages'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'also in certain countries the government is owned by corporations'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'causer'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's most countries, redryn, US and UK included'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'nah can't do that, causer may often not be able to afford it'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then causer pays out of their wages or goes to prison'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'might want to abolish bankruptcy act then'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'them going to prison costs the government money, still doesn't pay for the accident'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'long time ago bankrupts when to prison'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'went*'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'debtor prisons - recidivist step -- deport Tigernuts out of the UK asap'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you realise that prisons make corporations lots of money, lachdanan, they'd love it, why do you think USA had a 3 strikes rule and locked up millions of people for being black without due care and attention?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'i suppose people would prefer having someone pay for the damage to their car rather than jail that someone'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would also help if cars weren't now built in such a way that the merest knock causes them to be irrepairable'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a tangled web'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'indeed'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'which is why regulating anything is hella hard'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'it's always easy to be an armchair critic'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in car insurance, removing the health element altogether and doing something about the complexity of the court system so that legal costs were lower would help'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'like you said though, you need to assume healthcare is working first :p'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the alternative to being an armchair critic is to suck it up, and that's how things got this bad in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'because criticising it on aardwolf will prevent things from getting bad?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'you have fairly free press, go write articles'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'talking about it at least disseminates ideas'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'aard has a much smaller readerbase'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'most of the time government policy arms do open consultations and everything'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'take part in those'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of the ideas floated have already been expressed in think tanks, especially health and legal costs'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(here, at least)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the other reason is change is slow'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'the amount of bureaucracy to change the law is huge'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'and most of the time you need something to kick off law reforms'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'larger the monolithic governmental structure, slower it will be. This is why i dislike large centralised government'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'yea'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is why i've always argued against state power being usurped by the feds'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'also political systems are semi-paralyzed or worse'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'need a dictator to get shit done!'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's only true if your democracy is sufficiently large and polarised as to end in stalemate'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the obamacare had been pushed at a state level, it would probably have gone a lot smoother'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'except there's no way all states would agree on it'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you don't need to'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you get 2 or 3 large leftie states to be pioneers'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as wisconsin, california and new york'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'test runs would have been a good idea, yea'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'at least they wouldn't have all the technical problems'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Redryn.
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if it goes well, it sells it to other states, and then those red states who didn't want it wouldn't have been forced'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all federal level wranglings would have been prevented'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Redryn nods.
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know why the feds don't use the state legislature system to their advantage in this way'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's what it's for'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'political probably'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the states are not homogenous, states are different, they have different needs and different agendas. If you try and blindly apply one doctorine to the whole country you are doomed to fail'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the founding fathers realised this'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK we don't have such a local governmental structure which is a shame, though the divide here is more along rurual vs city'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'think that's pretty much the same in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'explain to me. why card reading is nichtnicht in casino black jack table?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'card counting?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'card counting yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you are not allowed to use your brain in casino?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'they reserve the right to refuse service lol'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'private game, if you are winning you get asked to learn..simple econmics'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'leave'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'heh:)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'its the most stupid thing..'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'here is how it works, if the card count is good, (most of the face cards are gone) then the player has an advantage over the house, so you dramatically up how much you are betting, if the table turns bad, you bet smaller amounts and thus by using this style you have an advantage over the house.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is because blackjack is not truly a random game and so understanding math and counting cards allow people to break the bank'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'watch the documentary holy rollers'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or what malkar said'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the house will not let you have an advantage they would go out of business if they did.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tylertwo: 'I think most casinos use multiple decks etc so card counting wouldn't work nowadays'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so. they keep the game but don't accept people who can play it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they should just reshuffle the cards after every hand'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'still works, you know when the count is high..its not 100%'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'it still works with multiple decks, Its just a little harder.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'some casinos you can play single deck games in the high roller room'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yes.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'it works better if you have a group like the MIT blackjack team, because an advantage doesn't mean for sure you will win.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'but card counting isn't illegal :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i mean you wont go to jail or get your legs broken'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'but you will get pushed out of the casino and become a marked player in their system'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in some casinos it is malkar'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'casinos can't make laws, (they can kick you out)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well native american tribes can make laws'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'still. you don't have any other device helping you buy your brain. how can that be illegal?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and also there is the whole contract law'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'your defintion of law is flawed.. if you arent useing any devices you wont go to jail'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'system and pattern betting may be a violation of a contract you agreed to in some casinos.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well breaking a contract isn't criminal, its a civil offense'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'kojiro, is that you?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'whats a criminal? really bad person?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: '40% of the us population'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no we have two bodies of law, criminal and civil'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'oh wait, different debate'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'civil=bad person criminal=a horrible person'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'who are the good people?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'saint=almost ok'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'jesus is a good people'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'lol fair enough'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'you know who else was a good person?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'I'm a good person too. Promise.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'if you admit you are a bad person, then you get some points'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'i can vouche for elfeneri'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'they are good with your person'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'appraently Jesus disobeyed some of the the civil laws'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'beexcellenttoeachother.gif'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'human laws'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'he was the son of god, he has a different set of laws'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'like rich people'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'i like where this is going'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'jesus was forced to be good. because of his heritage. that doesn't really count then. '
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade dislikes rich parasitic abominations
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'plus recall'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which college taught (is teaching) Emm to be a callous capitalist'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who says I am a callous capitalist?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(Emm reeks of callous wannabe capitalist)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am pro carbon tax, I think that alone gets me kicked out of the capitalist club'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: 'jokes on you, i'm made of carbon'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes and your carbon emissions stink.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which college Emm, (hopefully not an ivy league)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Emm not if you worked for a wind turbine company then being pro-carbon would be very callous capitalist :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'meant pro-carbon tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'geez. this was complicated. cant understand a word. off'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I worked for a public utility for a year as a legal intern'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'callous'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they really didn't like wind farms'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'we have wind farms around here.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we have a few around here'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hey. another topic: "all you pricks windfarms in the coasts of the Baltic sea make my winters suck!"'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well not around here exactly, but a hundred miles north or so'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'hasn't really affected property values like everyone was concerned about.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) [Outlaw] Drakoth: 'me, where you'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how so hwuaijijal?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '4 months of constant rain. '
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no snow. '
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and this is caused by wind turbines?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal is agreeing with that Emm person again...
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'explain how windfarms cause constant rain'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'let me think..'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am fairly sure we cannot directly link any weather or weather pattern to wind turbines as of yet.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the turbines stop the natural green airflow. so if there is a rainy weather, it cant go anywhere.. just stays at that place. '
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'one of the first large wind turbines was in Boone, NC.  It had the blades behind the pole (easier to point it like a weather vane)  The design didn't work because the the "thump" form the blade going into the air behind the support pole.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I have heard people babbling about wind turbines reducing wind speeds but the number of turbines it would take to make an apperciable difference would be astronomical.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Legendary Gruagach: '"i should be paid for power i create even if there is no demand for it when it is made and no way to store it"'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"windfarms cause constant rain" is almost as ridiculous as the (retarded deceitful conniving) politician that said "windfarms cause cities to be hotter because windfarms slow the air movement cooling cities" (paraphrased)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'zade, im one of your ignorant comment away from ignoring you.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think that could happen zade, if say you completely surrounded the city with windfarms as tightly packed as they could possibly be'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'yea i doubt they effect weather much, but i have heard about how constant noise and giant moving shadows can mess with people when its constant and never ends lol'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course it would be horribly inefficient to do so since they wouldn't get good generation that way'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tylertwo: 'khaim, kind of like how terrible polluted air from coal plants can mess with people?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I probably wouldn't want one within 200 yards of my house.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the thing is that noone knows what is the limit'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tylertwo: 'terribly'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as to the noise and light issues I think that is almost entirely psychosomatic.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'nobody cares really'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and at least around here they are typically in the middle of farmlands, so its only going to bother the crows and the corn.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'here they are on hills in the woods.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I could see there being problems with people placing them in like residential areas, but that isn't generally where they are placed'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'mhmh. you build some farms in africa. years later the cheetah go blind for some reason'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I can't argue with that.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'although I would definitely prefer to live in the middle of a wind farm than in the next door to a petrochemical plant or coal plant'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Khaim: 'populations have a history of putting up with horrid conditions for decades, i guess back in the day in NYC the horse manure piled up to three stories high'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'personally I want to see space based solar power developed, but that is really a future tech'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'when the waste collectors go on strike in New York, the garbage piles up 3 stories high :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'make clothes lines legal!!!  It will cut down on the amount of power we need!!!'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when there is minimal wind, the wind drifts above the wind farms. when there is heavy humidity and minimal wind, the windwarms and any buidlings, trees, telephone posts, high-towers may seem to slow air flow (at ground level) -- but that is something likely to be believed and said by the science-illiterates and maybe liars (seeking to discredit windfarms)  (perhaps the "luddites" may set up a science experiment to prove or disprove the "theory")'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'are you a physicist, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am an environmental scientist.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'emm=zade?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I have completed substaintially all o the requirements for a master's of science in environmental science with an energy concentration.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'emm =\= zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'emm=malkar)zade?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'emm=malkar=zade?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'anybody that "ignores me" loses -- "so make my day, punk" -- (remain ignorant and suffer grievously)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but I agree with him insofar as he asserts that the idea of windfarms deployed on any usable scale have any measurable effect on weather patterns'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal throws back his head and cackles with insane glee!
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I ignored zade for awhile'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'he can be a firebrand at times, but his heart is in the right place.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Someone who thinks windfarms slow the wind and that is bad, must hate trees'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and buildings'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and cell towers'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and of course mountains!'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I'm in a building right now and let me tell you they do cut down on wind :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'say that from the rooftop'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you agree? hey, wheres the imms? 3 persons agree in the debate channel. must be a multiplay'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'really there is too much altitude inequality in the world we should level all the maountain ranges and fill in lowland areas'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '(/sarcasm)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zade and I disagree about a lot of things, if we are agreeing there is probably a good reason'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'like it is one of those things that are really not debatable.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i think both you and zade are aliens and try to destroy our world but cant do it directly because our nukes are too strong for you so you choose to convince us to build more windfarms'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i think the odds of aliens being interested enough in us to come all this way to destroy us are pretty damn small.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'assuming you came all this way, we don't know where you are mudding from.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'aliens among us. new topic? who wants to be an alien this time?'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well lightspeed delay would limit me to the immidiate vicinity i would thin'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'unless I had FTL capabilities, but then I wouldn't be worried about your pesky nukes.'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since I could just send a rock in at FTL speeds and atomize the planet'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'sure, if you ignore the fact that FTL object move from the terminus to the origin and not the other way around :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'im not sure that is actually true, but it wouldn't change anything I would just need to make sure earth was in the path of the object either way'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it doesn't list dual wield or second attac etc'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'it lists dual wield for me'
T3/r7/2013-12-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'in retrospect, there is the conjecture that forests do seem to prevent dustbowls and hurricanes and tornadoes, so maybe windfarms are good, (although dustbowls are likely to damage windfarms with dust and grit) '
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would forests preventing dustbowls mean windfarms are good? we need more forests, not more windfarms'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A survey of more than 1,000 men in India has concluded that condoms made according to international sizes are too large for a majority of Indian men.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/28/us-usa-obama-protests-idUSBRE9BR09Q20131228?feedType=RSS&feedName=politicsNews&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&dlvrit=574655'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'France votes in new income tax tier of 75%'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Thats a bit high.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not high enough for some'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how high is too high?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally believe no state should be taking more than a third of a person's total income from all sources, not including sales taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats rather arbitrary'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'debate personally I believe that all income tax is immoral.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it's arbitrary'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could argue all tax is immoral'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, given the need to fund some basic things necessary for a functional society, what proportion is the the highest that should be drawn from an individual and why?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't argue that all tax is immoral though. I think some taxes are good.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'for example taxes on externalities'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'externalities?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'death taxes and societal taxes are immoral'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'when costs are imposed on third parties that did not bargain for them.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a handwavey term used to justify unfairly taxing things to fit an agenda, Majic, basically'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think estate taxes are neither moral or immoral, but I don't think they work very well'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'I was wondering what emm was talking about'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not at all tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'an externality is when costs (or benefits) are imposed on third parties'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'this is widely accepted economic definition'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'economics isn't a science'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'externalities (in general) does not mean the crap that Emm is attempting to cloak with specific buzzword overloading'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course economics is a science, an applied one at that.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am using the generally accepted definition zade.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'll try and be fair here, externality is a valid economic term, but it's a term which can be, and often is deliberately applied so widely as to be used as a political tool'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using punitive taxes to enact social change is immoral'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'using tax to genuinely reflect the cost of something is not'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does that help?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't know what the first assertion means exactly tigernuts, but I agree with the second.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ok, well i can give you two examples of where the second is applied in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first, gas tax - tax of car fuel. I would agree with fuel duty and use the money to pay for roads and public transport infrastructure'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats not really an externality though tigernuts, not to say there isn't an externality from burning fuel'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, in the UK, the revenue from fuel duty is more than double the entire budget for the department of transport - it's being used as a punitive tax on a captured market justified by bogus green agenda'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the road usage is a common goods issue'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2nd, duty of cigarettes - i agree duty should be paid on them to cover the additional costs to the health service that smoking causes'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in reality, the revenue is now more than 3 times the worst case estimates for the cost of lung cancer to the nHS'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cost of burning fuel is irrelevent to the fuel duty'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'now THAT is an externality, although some would argue that is only true because we have mandatory universal health coverage (at least for emergencies and in UK for other stuff too)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'even the mis-explanation addendum ("that did not bargain for them") (by Emm) sounds pretentious-obfuscating gooblededook (used by expletives to supposedly justify injustices in the name of economics and politics)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'an externality is really a very simple concept, if your action causes harm to others (or their property) and they haven't agreed to it before hand, you have created a negative externality'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, but it's not something that not calculable, and isn't even helpful in many respets'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact that people exist and live in my country is an externality that is costing ME money'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'in general, then, I'd agree with it conceptually, but argue that calculating it is quite difficult in most cases.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how so tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i cannot tax people having kids, nor would i seek to'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how does someone having a kid impose costs on other people?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade looked up the concise dictionary definition of externalities (not anything in there about the crap Emm is attempting)
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'easily, other people increase population, put upward pressure on resource prices and pollute my environment'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people having kids is no different in terms of polluting externalities to people burning fossil fuels'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps worse so in the long term'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '1) price effects due to competion is not an externality tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's not, then there's something fundamentally broken with your model'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '2) pollution is the classic externality, but the existence of the people isn't the externality its their actions that are causing externalities.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so you have the exclusive right to use all resources in the world tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my right is as exclusive as yours. do you have the exclusive right to tax someone based on their externalities?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would argue that the rights of the people that are already born are more important than the rights of those yet conceived, just as it is the responsibility of those already born to protect and improve humankind for those not yet conceived'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't have any right to tax someone based on anything since I am a private citizen'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given population is the prime cause of global warming, you cannot claim that having kids isn't an externality'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you are insane tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, i'm just not living in a box bounded by your subject'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the phrase "taxes on externalities" is an incomprehensible near-nonsense (that does not convey meaning) and an attempt to obfuscate to anybody not in an insider (say) economics-den-of-vipers'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no body and no institution has the right to arbitrarily tax another without representation'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in that case tigernuts you should not have any problem with any of the taxes in the US or the UK since they both have universal representation'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for citizens having a contract with the government that represents them'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'tax on externlities is not incomprehensible, it is very simple.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm nods at Malkar.
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i pay taxes, emm, doesn't mean i think them moral, sensible, or necessary'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't actively seek to avoid them either'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such things are for corporations and bankers'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I do, to the greatest extent legally possible'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'if you try to apply it to things like taxing having children or taxing breathing (I think that creates greenhouse gasses) then people get very uncomfortable.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well the UK is run considerably more efficiently than the USA, you have little opportunity to tax dodge here unless you are a business'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you are employed here, tax is taken at source before it even hits your bank account'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'malkar there is no net production of CO2 by human (or animal) exhaling'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but with externalities, where do you stop? What do you include, what do you exclude? How do you price the ephemerial?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since by definition they have to have uptaked that carbon from somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we should be replanting forests everywhere sensible'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'there is no net greenhouse gasses from cars, they have to uptake that carbon from somewhere.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'those are all important questions tigernuts, and people have done a lot of work attempting to answer them.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're not questions that have a scientific answer'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are subject to ideology which makes the whole thing very unsound'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no malkar the difference is that the car is using carbon that was already in long term sequestration'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the cardinal rule of all things government is keep it simple, keep it small'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I still think my eatingg the food would make it not available for sequestration.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: '"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but no simpler."'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the difference malkar is that your food has to take carbon out of the cycle to grow'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so the more you eat the more carbon is extracted from the cycle'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'll never be made simple and efficient, and it'll never work because it is not in the interests of the establishment and their financiers to have such'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'but a forest instead of a wheatfield would continue to sequester carbon as it gradually got buried.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that may be true, and then the farming is creating an externality'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is someting that we can measure pretty easily though'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if farming is creating an externality then it is people having excess population that driving the requirement for those crops'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but simply having a need doesn't create the externality tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we absolutely can farm in carbon neutral ways'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'whether we can for the number of people we have remains to be seen, but thats another debate.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the economists "explanation" of "externalities" seems to be a screed (a small book or large chapter) - with possible disagreements as to what is "external" or "internal"  '
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you cannot farm sustainably with the number of people on the planet and maintain current living standards'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you either have to suppress living standards and hope technology catches up, or you allow population to increase and rape the planet, or, you allow population to increase and living standards to collapse and people starve/make war, or you do something about it'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't know if that is really true or not tigernuts, but that still doesn't make the people the externality'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not people, extra people'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'growth of population'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a container is external, the price of petrol before being purchased is external, the view outside the window of a home is external  '
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but the population of the UK and the US isn't growing'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'population of the UK is growing'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zade you are babbling nonesense please stop being a troll'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'is it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'population of the USA will grow if they continue to allow mexicans'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'heavily taxing new people would help with global warming (not that I am advocating it)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'up 12 million (20%) in my lifetime'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how much of that is from immigration?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a significant portion'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the rest from increased longetivity'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, the population rise of the planet isn't caused by martians'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'expand the goodlededook:  "taxes on incomensurables"'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"taxes on the incongruous"'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zade do you believe in property rights?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have a solution for you. You could harness the power of celebrity to make having more than 2 kids untrendy, and make adoption trendy and liberal. You could cut off all child-related benefits at 2 kids and/or charge higher rates of tax to those with more than 2 kids'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't like the idea of penalising people for having more than 2 kids so much as rewarding people for having fewer'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'same differance.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts gasps as he realizes what Malkar did.
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so isn't'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there has to be property rights, else i might as well grab a shotgun and go rob people'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'ok we are going to give a tax break for all non-smokers rather than punish smokers.  I don't see a differance.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'to play the game of economic goodlededook, find an obscure dictionay word, and prefic "taxes on" to the word, the produce an economics book (for students to purchase - required reading!) detailing what is specifically meant be the phrase in the economics context.  Then when speaking in non-economic debate channels, obfuscate the debate with use of the phrase '
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i wouldn't punish smokers, i wouldn't tax them any further than the direct cost on our health service of their smoke'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxes aren't supposed to be for social engineering'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'okay looks like it is time to ignore zade again'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'says who tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade prefers to euthanize chronic smokers
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if the population agrees to it then it is part of the social contract yes?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you might as well say that you only have freedom of speech because of a social contract'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'zade, all feilds of study have terms that seem obscure to those not familiar with them.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's simply not true'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'where does it come from then?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unalenable rights'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what does that mean?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we might have codified those rights in law, but they already existed'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'from god?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you're religious you could argue they come from god'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the population in North Korea "agrees" to what the leaders say is the law - (perhaps an example of the Emm version of "social contract law")'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is essentially shutting down the argument though'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have to have a baseline somewhere'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at some point there will be things that are axiomatic'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unalenable rights are those axioms'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who decides what they are?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'right to life, property, and freedoms of speech are those'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'combined weight of human wisdom over time, i guess'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'inalienable rights that is?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't change because people vote against them'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you try to neuter them, you will have bloodshed'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not sure why you put freedom of speech in there, the usual list is life liberty and property or life liberty and "pursuit of happiness"'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'very few countries actually have freedom of speech'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd phrase it more of freedom of thought, but it encompasses freedom of speech, thought, religion, expression'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because most countries are shit'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and even in countries that do, it is limited in many ways (commericial speech is usually not protected for example)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you shouldn't use examples of countries that trample freedoms as justification for not having them'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't think she did that'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'so laws against fraud violate freedom of speech?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"unalienable" seems more powerful than "inalienable"  -- bewary of those that attempt to "alienate 'rights'" through use of weaker words'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'personally I think calling some rights unalienable or inalienable is an abridgment of those very rights.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anti-fraud laws are toothless, but that's another matter'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'true rights are ones you can sell if you choose to.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's when they are forcibly taken you're in trouble'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if I want to sell someone the right to kill me I should be able to.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the moment you tell me I can't you have infringed my right to life.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I can't really support that idea, if you don't do well economically you can sell yourself into slavery?  taken too far bad things can happen in society'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'not right to life right to death, plus I don't think that other person you kills you is good for society.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why most of us live in a de facto state of psuedo-slavery anyway'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the grounds that you can't dictate what laws others are subject to, i don't think you could use that as an argument'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'that is very much not true, although until this gq ends I'm going to let it slide'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electing someone to end your life via legal euthenasia?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'according to Emm faulty logic, the constitution of the USA is an abridgement of the rights of USAmericans, as per: "calling some rights constitutional or unalienable or inalienable (or calling them anything) is an abridgment of those very rights."'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that might pass muster, but not murder - murder has a specific meaning'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zade quit trying to put words into my mouth I never said anything about constitutional'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think, zade, Emm is trying to argue by negation, but it doesn't really work with rights'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to give up your rights, give them up, but don't go giving up other people's for them'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's kinda the point of them'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm, cease and desist from verbal diarrhoea'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'take your own advice zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bringing it round to the start, what proportion of someones income do you consider the most that governments should be stealing?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '0%'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm is attempting to spout crap (almost as bad as a literate Nercoshine)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you believe in anarchy!'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not at all'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we had more than 100 years in the US with no income tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and we didn't have anarcy'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you also had a very small government'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would you prefer to return to that scenario?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so once again you are arguing false dichotomy'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you reference a time in history, i pointed out the context'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well I do think that the government, especially the federal one is much to large'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it doesn't have adequate redness or hammers and sickles for Zade's liking'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the false dichotomy was income tax or anarcy tiernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'granted, but looking at where you are now, do you think the sheep public will react kindly to having their huge government support engine being removed? I'm not sure even if would be possible to unpick without a schism, neither in the USA or here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'big government is a parasite, it infects the host and makes it dependant on it while it sucks you dry'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'transitions are important, granted.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'another near-nonsense phrase when bandied without anchoring specification: "a false dichotomy" '
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no zade it also has a precise meaning and I was using it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go grab your bullshit to english dictionary, zade, you often need it for me'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'TN said that because I don't believe income tax is moral, I want anarcy, I pointed out that those are not the only two choices'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is exactly a false dichotomy.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i accepted it'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and I think TN acknoweledge it'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm (chicken-little) comes running screaming "the sky is falling, er, a false dichotomy, er, the false dichotomy is falling, er .."'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zade quit trolling'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'chicken-little is awesome, though'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'back to the subject at hand, tigernuts, I prefer taxes that are either based on the harms that we are trying to correct, or the value of the thing we are trying to protect.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and really I don't think government as much moral use besides those two things.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being the pragmatist, i don't think it's possible to have taxation based solely on those things'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is the whole question of equality, but thats a much more difficult question'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'maybe not starting from where we are without some serious work.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the question is why do we want governments, what do we want them to do, and what is the most efficient way for that to happen.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are old questions with well defined answers that only the most rabid of fake liberal authoritarian types and corporatists would try and change'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so what do we want governments to do?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'why? see question 2. what? exactaly what they are doing. Is this the most efficent way possible? I hope not.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what is their legitimate purpose?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to defend the country from outside aggression, to mediate disputes between people through means of common law'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'secondarily, to provide services for the public benefit that cannot be provided individually and whose scope is agreed upon by the masses'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'TN very few countries have common law'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'very well put TN'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'every country has common law, UK and US are founded on common law'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'most countries are civil law not common law'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most civil law is derived from common law'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not at all'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the services aspect is optional to a government, the first parts were essential'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't want to get into law now, it's murky and pointless'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'really only UK and its decendents ever had common law'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and very little of it is left in the US'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so UK and half the globe that made up it's empire :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very little is left here too, and that's not a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being under maritime law is the source of most of the corruption that has ruined us all'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what does maritime law have to do with anything?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the argument? nothing, merely history'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the distinction is between common and civil, (judge made law, and stautory law essentially)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both have their pitfalls, but not relevent to the topic at hand'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and I am not sure why we need to make the distinction honestly'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you are the one who brought up common law'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Emm, you brought up the distinction.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so lets get back to your list'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'was in reference to what government provided, a means of arbitrating disputes'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in that context, statute does not arbitrate disputes, it's merely a tool used in that arbitration'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we need national defense, courts, and public works that cannot or are not adequately provided by private actors?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'just trying to see if I understand your position'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd largely agree, though would put the public works in brackets'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'distinguish between essential and optional'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'w'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'government arbitrates the interface between people'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's their primary role'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'you said as agreed upon by the citizens (or something like that) that covers it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Emm use of the phrase "a false dichotomy" is seeming bad-english near-nonsense as used above --  if Tigernut was separating "moral taxes" and "anarchy" into mutually exclusive classes, that is a "crook or corrupt or defective dichotomy", not a "false dichotomy" (the use of the "false" is too polite)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'service provision is not an essential role of government, it's just often convenient. I group of civic minded volunteers could do the same'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zade you are being a troll please stop'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"false" seems to nullify the "dichotomy" -- but there is a "crook dichotomy" there, (defective, crook, corrupt but not false)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'according to some libertarian scholars all "public works" could be better done by private actors'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a purely practical sense, in modern times with the corruption endemic, i agree'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zade quit trying to redefine language to suit your misconceptions'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though not evitable at an ideological level'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'then get ACTRA onto public works - get the popcorn out, and watch the disasters that follow(s)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ideology should inform opinion, not dictate it'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'the question seems to be how far should government go, most people in the US agree that the food stamps program that feeds the poor is neccessary, although I'm sure many disagree.  Then we start asking how much should it provide, what requirements should we make of those accepting aid.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'those are the wrong questions to be asking, Malkar'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I agree with TN'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Democrats are trying to expand the program, Republicans are trying to cut it back.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Why is it necessary"? is more pertinent. IN the UK, the majority of the working population is on some form of welfare'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'how is it the wrong question?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'public works by private actresses -- ah, the ladies of the night  (genuine ladies born with the xx chromosome, not the perverts)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'why is it neccessary? to prevent people from starving.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too literal, Malkar'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and i would disagree with that, too'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'why is it the wrong question?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially here in the UK'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because "Why is it necessary" undercuts both partisan questions'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'undercuts what question?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you know I read an interesting study recently that might have some relevence here'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if a majority requires welfare, you should be asking what has caused such a large anomoly in finance that would require such'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK example I can give you a concrete answer'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's probably similar in the U S'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Here, as a result of de-industrialisation, of farming all of the manufacturing to China we had 20 years of cheap CHinese goods. Now the money is running out wages are being suppressed as prices rise. The net result is that working for a living doesn't pay the living costs, hence everyone is on welfare'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so the question is not "is welfare levels high enough"'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the question should be "how do we make it such that our economy pays wages that allow people to sustain themselves"'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Herr Malkar is not a National Socialist, but is as callous. a final solution to the poor is required, but unsure whether "not feeding the poor" is the answer.  (Zade says "perhaps Better is a final solution to the callous greedy rich")'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'and while you figure that out people can starve.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you fail to ask that question, then no matter what, you'll have pissed off masses that are paying the taxes for other people to be "spongers"'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in studying the effects of public pensions in developing countries researchers have discovered that transfer payments tend to increase the wages that working elderly get paid'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an emotive statement, Malkar, but the truth of the matter is that welfare payments are high enough to maintain a standard of living, not to prevent starvation'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'well then include welfare with foodstamps.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'd like to see welfare increased, but tied to previous income'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as a safety net, not a way of life'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'foodstamps are welfare, malkar'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I would argree only as a safety net. (not quite working that way right now in the US)  Still it is one of the functions that most people would agree the government should do, yet we have to decide the extent to which we do that.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well clearly if you agree as a safety net, then you must also agree that the current system is not that'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I am pretty sure they are a seperate program in the US, but that isn't relevant.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'yes the current system has many problems.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am not sure that most would agree that foodstamps is necessary, but even if they do that doesn't realy mean that it is the best way to do what you are aiming for'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are numerous different welfare programs in the UK, they're still all welfare'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'for the UK system, I would actually be in favour of increasing the minimum wage'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may Tigernuts be forced to subsist on "welfare payments" (no extras and no duplicates) -- to find out whether "welfare payments are high enough to maintain a standard of living", (perhaps freezing and starving to death is a "standard of living" until death comes visiting)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but counter to that, i'm also in favour of scrapping employment taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why not just have a BLS?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'already done so, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'BLS?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'acronyms don't translate well, Emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'basic living stipend'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'standard communist/socialist instrument'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'considered the idea, but not practical'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'communist idea everyone makes the same amount, no one on this channel has suggested that.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that isn't actually inherent to communism'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but i digress'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just at a practical level, minimum needed to "live" here would cost 16 times the entire current tax take'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'from each according to ability, to each according to need?  '
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a BLS is essentially a payment from the government that everyone gets and it covers the "basic needs"'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even giving every adult a universal benefit of $100 a week would cost more than the entire tax take'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'typically food/shelter/clotes'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sure but you can just increase taxes right?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'its not as if doing this might cause people to earn less'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'raising taxes has diminishing returns'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and giving poor people welfare can reduce incentives to work.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd stick BLS into a category of "would be nice, but not a priority". It requires considerable modification of other things to be practical at -any- level and quickly becomes impractical for all kinds of reasons as it increases'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd replace "can" with "often"'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'some would argue always'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'thus this channel'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'BLS seems to have the problem of it being a way of life not a safety net.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's often been joked here in the UK that careers advice to academically sub-par 16yr old girls is "get pregnant"'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we are going to solve the worlds problems on Aardwolfs debate'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so why do we need a safety net?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was a lengthy media debate during our last elections of a single mother of 3 who was whinging about how hard up she was, but when tallied up, for a working single man to have the same standard of living as her, he'd need to earn $40k a year'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'so people don't starve, freeze to death, become homeless.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're more likely to starve or freeze to death as a pensioner or as a low paid worker than you are on welfare'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so the real issues are food/shelter/utilities, or the income inequalities inherent in our system?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'right welfare is to prevent you from freezing to death.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supposed to be, malkar, but it's not what it actually is'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'both, there is a fundamental issue in the UK around the cost of housing, which is frustrated by a population density that is unsustainable'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'numlock?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'The income inequalities do cause problems, but the main problem is people living in terrible conditons.  (I would like to do more about income inequality, but it is very difficult in a capitalist system)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not really just have meaningful progressive taxation and redistrubution'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'starting in the late 19th century, and accelerated after ww1 and ww2 there were huge "public housing" projects to build state-owned housing that was then rented out to workers on long contracts at very low rates. In the 1970s (after years of non-investment) they changed the rules so that priority was given to "at risk" groups, single mothers, homeless. As a result, most public housing estates became ghettos. In the 1980s, Margaret thatcher opted to allow public housing tenants buy their homes at a knockdown rate. Councils were prevented from reinvesting the money in more housing. Net result was the housing got bought up by buy-to-let investors and housing corporations. Scroll on to now, very little housing is owned by the government, social housing is run by companies, some for profit, some not. Net result is very high property prices and very high rental prices'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost rests in a corner and mutters 'spam' quietly to himself.
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'We can do that Emm, but I wouldn't want to go too far.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'xrt seven'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'extremely tight planning laws partly as a result of the green agenda, partly as a result of "not in my back yard" agenda dating back to ownership of estates by the gentry means that land is extremely expensive here'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1/4 acre plot near me without a bungalow (prefab, not habitable, needed pulling down) sold for $250k'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you won't get a 2 bed flat in London with much change from $1,000,000 these days'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '1/4 acre is huge'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1/4 acre in a city might be huge, but this is rural'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so you need more cities'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and no, 1/4 acre is not huge, 1/4 acre would have been considered "typical small family home" plot'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and less rural'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're talking rabbit hutches and people-factories. Some people get on with living in cities, many do not. I am among those who would probably go postal and wipe people out if forced to live in a city'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'my house was on 1/8th an acre I had a nice sized back yard and a 2700 square foot livable space, plenty for family of 4'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course the housing crisis caused it to lose 80% of its value and the bank forclosed'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so meh'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '1/8 acre pretty much guarantees you no garden and crammed in ontop of neighbours'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'oddly because of the state laws they were not allowed to pursue me for the debt'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what debt? they took the house'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the people who lived there before us had a nice garden, but we didn't want one'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, that was a potted history of how we had decent social housing here that kept the housing market real, and why our housing now is out of control'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the difference between the value at forclosure and the mortgage'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i don't understand that, emm, here a mortgage is essentially a loan secured on the property. They can't persue you for more than the property'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since that's kinda the point of it'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and then last month they settled a class action lawsuit for improper foreclosure proceedures and sent me a check for 300 bucks'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that isn't true in most states in the US'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but it is in the state I was in apparently'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'd imagine it's dependant on your mortgage. Personally I wouldn't take one out that wasn't so'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like i wouldn't take out a mortage right now that wasn't fixed rate for lige'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'life*'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'without laws preventing it, they appear to be the norm'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact that housing sales are up here is indicitive that people are on the most part, INSANE'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people perishing for the lack of knowledge'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '(mortgages that require you to pay them off less foreclosure sale proceeds in the event of a foreclosure'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so should the government fund basic science research?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the solution here would be to ban buy-to-let mortgages for a fixed period, heavily tax second-home purchases, and invest in some publically owned housing to offer out to people at reduced cost to put downward pressure on the housing market'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'a better question would be why should the governtment not fund more productive projects'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that seems pretty interventionist tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should they not? they probably should. Why don't they? because it's not in their interests, Elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it does, Emm, but it's only interventionist because the market has already failed'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how has the market failed?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it's the polar opposite of the 'intevervention' that they're currently trying, which is having the opposite effect'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it sounds to me like the government failed not the market'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'When all of the resources are held to ransom, that's a market failure'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how are the resources being held to ransom?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'housing corporations owning all the housing stock'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or sufficiently large percentage of the housing stock as to seriously affect it's affordability'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a failure of government, i already gave you the backstory'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if you like, this is market-based correction'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'im confused housing companies own housing'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why is this a bad thing?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because there is a limited amount of housing'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so open up more areas to housing?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't do that'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zoning is the problem?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i mean housing companies presumably rent yes?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zoning, green lobby, nimby lobby, and the fact that all of the land is likewise owned'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and if they could make more money by selling they would sell?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't see a market failure there'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well they can't'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an investment class'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oddly, people can't not have somewhere to live, so it's a captive market'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'actually people can, its called homelessness'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the ordinary law of markets only applies in this context to products that people have a choice over buying'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you think an intervention would be preferable to mass homelessness?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that it's already been widely accepted that part of the purpose of government is to provide that safety net?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'maybe but so far it sounds like the interventions is what have caused the problem'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and fixing it by more intervention seems probelmatic'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, the intervention that caused the problem wasn't one to fix a perceive problem so much as a bribe for votes'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'corruption, if you will'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well then the potentially homeless people should organize and vote the bastards out'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you should realise by now that governments act to preserve their own dominance. No amount of voting them out will help'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and thus you reach the limits of the usefulness of democracy'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which brings us back to the idea of small, local governance'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(non sequitur)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am not really a fan of democracy, its just I don't have anything better to replace it with'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a fan of democracy, provided it's small enough to be representative and responsive, and provided there is recognition of unalenable rights (such as in the constitution/bill of rights)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you let your democracy get big enough, you might as well be living in a dictatorship'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the problem is that power will capture your government regardless of the form'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and if you make it hard to corrup the ideals from which you started (e.g. the US constitution/Bill of Rights) you also inherently make it hard to fix the corruption once it takes place.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the people must ever be vigilante to protect against that. The trouble with the USA is that people have not been, and thus the establishment have captured it and fortified themselves in'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'its not a matter of vigilence, it is inherent in the system'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i dunno, you might still be able to fix it without violence'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'with or without knowing what is in a constitution, adoring a constitution is foolishness -- the "bill of rights" may be a "bill of no rights"'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i suggest you find out what's in it then, zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the people with the power to influence election outcomes (whether thats corporations with money, or media elite, or banks, or whatever) will slowly (or quickly) erode any protections that don't serve them'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts seems to be into "Constitionolatry"'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should never underestimate their importance, zade. Many ills of the USA right now come about because people have sloppily allowed government to act other than in accordance with the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you say that as if there weren't a large group of people (probably a majority even) that wanted exactly that tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if nothing else, it serves as a measuring stick against which governance can be held up against. Speaking from someone living in a country without a codified constitution, it's considerably easier for our government to "get away with shit"'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except the don't, Emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'everyone may disagree about specifics but everyone seems to like the idea of government orderin other people around'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the last election you (collective you) voted in a party whose entire manifesto was one big long smelly shit ontop of the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the SCOTUS is likey to disagree (and disregard Tigernuts), as the SCOTUS interprets and rules what is "constitutional" or not  '
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which party was that tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'SCOTUS is not the soul decider, Zade, and neither are they always correct'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Democrips'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats not a real word tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the USA corruptly redefined what some words mean (torture) '
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Democrips and Rebloodlicans?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'my choice is between people who want to tax and spend me to death, and those who want to just spend me to death?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'neither party seems better than the other to me really'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'flip sides of the same coin'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but at least the dems don't want to rape me again if I get pregnant from getting raped.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Cheney corruptly redefined what the duties of the Executive office and and other office he was in -- (to avoid testifying)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the point made was still valid, however, regardless of which of the two get in - they'll get in. You'll never have a third-party elected, the system has been built to prevent it and the tactics to suck the people into the tribalism was sufficiently effective'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same is true here in the U K'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and that is all inherent in the very constitution you tout as being the solution to the problem'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not at all'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the US is forced to be a two party system by the nature of the voting setup in the constitution'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the protections that have been put in place by the current parties may be extraconstitutional'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but the form of a two party system is inherent'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as that might be, but given the limited scope that was given to the federal government, it shouldn't ever have been a big issue'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is because we have a winner take all election system that we are forced to have two parties'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therein lies the problem, you gave it too much power'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but that power was all given with the consent of the people'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and whenever it fails to achieve, because it inetivably will because it's too big, the solution the scmucks come up with is: give it MORE power'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's the failing of democracy, people are dumb'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again, I am not a big fan of democracy, but I haven't seen any better system yet.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only solution therefore is the hope that China nukes yo u'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'isent that like the pot calling the kettle black'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no racism please, Elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I didn't understand his comment, but I didn't think it was racist..'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'calling people dumb like ....'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't racist (unless you're a libtard) but it was both flippant and intellectually lazy '
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so are you trying to tell us, after all that's going on that Joe Public, on the whole, aren't dumb?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Emm is female -- that explains some of the above Emm (defective) "logic" (was "female" defective logic, not male "defective logic") -- Zade readjusts the filters slightly - yep, the above is not as incomprehensible as before -- (the more accurate the profile, the more comprehensive the retranslation of the prior gibberish is)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't see what gender has to do with logic zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think Emm's been drinking tonight, and as a result has been largely understandable and logical, Zade'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what -have- you brought to debate tonight, Zade?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'comedy'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'comedy like "Friends" comedy, then'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I never liked that show'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'males are harder on illogical males than on illogical females, so females tend to be more "illogical" (males were too polite to slam them)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(males were too polite to slam them into proper logic)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that hasn't been my experience, and it sounds sort of chauvanistic to me'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did you notice how hard Zade was slamming Emm in the prior dialogue'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you were mostly babbling incomprehensible nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debate equivalent to a grammar nazi'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some females are unable to comprehend male logic'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again logic isn't gendered, it is uniform'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'perhaps by logic you mean something else'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the SCOTUS are extreme "grammat nazis"'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gender will alter ideology, perception, values etc'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats true TN'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but I don't see how it alters logic.'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'might alter the process by moving the starting points and rules upon which your logical processes are made'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't make the logic wrong, just means you might end up at a different conclusion'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '"if A, then B; A; therfore B" is the same whether it is male or female uttering it'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'too simplistic'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'if A then probably B'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but thats one of the foundation principles of logic'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that isn't logic redryn'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats argumentation and support'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, it is logic, fuzzy logic'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some males do not debate with illogical females.  they simply disregard and push out illogical females'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Redryn: 'A is B'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so zade is a sexist?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sexist, just a lunatic'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade despised the "redhead" on the tvshows starring "Lucille Ball" -- the redhead used an annoying form of "female logic" -- they persist in showing reruns so as to insult the ethnic group from which Lucilla Ball came 
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so were the "Lucy" shows insulting the Irish or the Russians -- likely both'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'zade do you understand what comedy is?'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"comedy" is also the process where jews and other minorities may insult and disparage larger nonminorities'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the tvshow starring "Ray Romano" (a jew playing an italian Raymond Barone in a disfunctional italian family) was a vehicle to insult and disparage the italians (and roman catholics?) (popular show strangely)'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"All in the FAmily" was a classic -- the deliberate intent was to insult those represented by Archie Bunker, but the show became popular'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'majorities usually do not mind if they are insulted  (but the minorities scream when seemingly disparaged) '
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'qps get easier to earn as you tier you get +1 per quest per tier'
T3/r7/2013-12-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'oops'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Wall Street Tycoon RObert W Wilson (87) gave away his entire fortune before committing suicide by throwing himself out of his 16th floor San Remo apartment. His last $100mil he gave away to the Environmental Defense Fund, thus proving even in the act of philanphropy and death, wall street bankers can further their "dominate the known universe" mentality'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to be fair, EDF isn't the worst offenders i've seen, but they still employ a "don't rattle the corporatists" mentality of ignoring the elephants int he room'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so 17 people died in Volgograd after a suicide bombing by Chechen terrorists funded and directed by the Saudi Arabian government'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime, 1.3m americans will lose their long-erm unemployment benefit from jan 1st'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick/2013/12/28/msm-glosses-over-irony-global-warming-scientists-trapped-antarctic-ice#ixzz2ovITxKYv'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'environmental protestors in Oklahoma City were arrested for bio-terrorism threats because some of their protest banners contained glitter'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, Nazi looted art found in German parliament building. Woops'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'use the debate for depressing discussions'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'dis is politics i cnat'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'that's a flagrant abuse of pwoer'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the curse xhannel is also maybe? okay for letting off steam  (personally i neither use nor monitor the curse channel)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'I'm pretty sure Obama just sent Russian twenty nukes. Thoughts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Russia. Russia. I meant to type Russia.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Gawd, I should've known the debate channel would be as barren as Kim Katral's womanhood. Look at what you're doing with your lives...'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hrm, Nighthaven is a comedian wannabe troll replacement for Tigernuts -- comedy is preferable to Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'high praise coming from the chief troll'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'That isn't what this channel is for, Zade. '
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'comedy may be, but that wasn't comedy...'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks, Obama'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Can we get an Imm in here to straighten this ditch out?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'oh, wait.,... was i being complimented? '
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Nighthaven blushes 
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not by anyone that matters :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'excuse me, abelinc. should u not be leveling? go an level. leave us pros alone'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'why would I be levelling?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'there aren't two l's in leveling. '
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Or three. '
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'there are the way I do it :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'then you're doing it the wrong way.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which is why I don't do it'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'omg. ur british, aren't u?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'i just looked it up, and it said that's the chiefly british way'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the correct way, then'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is nothing correct about british english'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'debating spelling is zade-level pointlessness, so moving swiftly on'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Emm nods at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'for me it is naptime'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(debating nuances of language is excellent practice for debating at the various supreme courts)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'British people are wrong. Americans are right. What's left to debate?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, seeing as how the game is written and run by someone born and raised in the UK...'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'wat?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, watt is scottish'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(court tv) when watching the lawyers ramble on the finer nuances of law interpretation before the various supreme courts .. (almost an "aaaarrrgh" but those lawyers are serious in improving law interpretation) (also an exercise to follow what is being said, and avoid the temptation to fall asleep or switch channels or swich off the tv or (to repeat:) run screaming "aaaaarrrgh"  - good grammar-nazi fun)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the polite grammar-nazi arguing of the nuances of the law by lawyers (at various supreme courts) indirectly indicates some of the reasons that crude trolls (Tigernuts, etcetera) are not going to succeed at anything substantially political (rabble-rousing on a mud debate channel - seriously?!? - hahahahahahahahahahah)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was a lot of words to say nothing with'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'droll -- court-tv at the supreme courts is or are even better = lots and lot and lots and lots and lots of words '
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the scary part is that the supreme court decisions better be good or .. Welcome to HELL!!!'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so be careful when criticising english grammar-nazis (critique yes, criticise dubious) -- Great Britain was an imperialist nation  -- the sun never set on the Victorian Empire  (at this stage a rousing Troll chorus of  "Rule Brittania!  Brittania rule the waves" '
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seriously though, i'm not serious .. except when i'm serious ... (that's what the Ogre said)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if that's what the ogre said, what did the fox say?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Zade, do u wanna mudsex? r u a girl? Doesn't matter. i'm gonna pretend u are'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'die! Nighthaven'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like Saudi Arabia are making good on their threats against Russia earlier this year'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if the US isn't involved, who cares?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US is involved'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the Saudi royal family is essentially propped up by the USA, they are USA's ally, despite being responsible for 9/11, they are US's proxy force versus Iran'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the middle east will never be peaceful and calm until Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Bahrain are taken apart'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and Israel)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"it's time to chew bubblegum or stomp Saudi Arabia, and there's no bubblegum."  Dancetime: The Stomp! '
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'you just watch "stand up man" or something'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it were me, pull out of the middle east and stop supporting known terrorist governments (Saudi Arabia/Israel)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if you think the US has no terrorist acts of its own, you need to share the shit you're doing.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't think that'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'If you think poop shoes is an illogical concept you need to freeze the poop first'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'our country was borne out of terrorism.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'Our country was born out of Jason Borne'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) I Sense Nonsense: 'International man of misery'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of Bourne, did you know he was friends with Martin Lindros?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'being friends with the guy who ordered your assassination has got to be the most fucked up thing I heard.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'The Bourne Conspiracy - not the movie'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'The Day of the Long Knives'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and later the Bourne Betrayal (when Martin dies)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what will 2014 bring?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than more poverty and bloodshed?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Judges who issue warrants for your blood if you choose not to blow into a breathalyzer.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's already illegal to refuse a breathtest here, they're pushing for mandatory drug tests too'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bloodsuckers! '
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'a case in Missouri went all the way to the state SC, and the justices ruled that the cops must first get a warrant for blood testing if someone refuses to blow.  So they got creative and now there's a judge on standby for just such occasions.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think to that?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I think it should never have been possible to drive drunk and then be able to dodge the net that would've caught you (as opposed to outright avoiding said net entirely).'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"is this the tips hotline in the UK - i'd like to report a somebody that may be on drugs when trolling on the Aardwolf debate channel.  If mandatory drug tests are already implemented in the UK."'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i think provided they pulled you over with just cause (you were driving badly) you shouldn't be able to refuse a breath test. Unfortunately they don't need such a reason in the UK, and I'm pretty sure there's now enough fluff law in the USA that they don't need a reason'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'personally, I think the DUI-safety devices that disable cars if you fail a blow should be mandatory.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'false security'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'absurdly easy to bypass'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I honestly think we need to bulldoze or otherwise destroy property involved in any sort of crime involving a controlled substance (alcohol, prescription drugs, illegal drugs, etc).  Even if the owner wasn't involved in the perpetration of the crime.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could we do the same thing with stupidity?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"You say psychiatric drugs are not illegal. Inane illogical trolling may be a side-effect of those legal drugs."     '
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would have agreed with you, unfortunately there's an issue with the definition of "crime"'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'ridiculously excessive'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you define crime in it's traditional sense as involving a victim, then yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrong and extremely bad Hanslanda'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'excessive, already happens here with certain traffic violations'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'just implement the drug law.  With the amount of shit that goes on in the prison system, it'd knock out the overcrowding problem as a bonus.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just repeal those laws :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly, while I support laws that prohibit sale to minors, I would prefer to see adults free to fuck up their own lives'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Dispel Majic.
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'new topic: "Nuke Israel"  (to eliminate oppressive abominations seeking to strike wickedly with fist or whatever) '
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I get the impression Hans would rather live in some sort of gistapo state where you are monitored everywhere you go and wearing the wrong colour clothing results in your clothing being burnt and a fine'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in the 90s, the DEA could seize (and then ultimately destroy) your car just because some random gangbanger laid out his drug stash on the hood of your car and didn't recognize his buyer was an undercover agent.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'they can still seize your cash because it tests positive for drug residue, despite the fact that a large proportion of the cash in this country does.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all of the stupid stuff you see people being harassed by law enforcement for is the sort of stuff they need to remove laws about and start leaving people the fuck alone'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the DEA deserves to be euthanised, since the DEA flagrantly violates the constitution of the USA   (unreasonable seizure)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just close the department'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'close down the DEA, and then legally hunt down and hang draw and quarter the guilty DEA agents'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just redeploy them or make them redundant, or let them be rehired by any state-based replacement'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'zero forgiveness against those DEA abominations responsibe for DEA malfeasance'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what are you talking about Zade?  The DEA is practically ineffective now.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the DEA agents are morally diseased, and require to be quarantined -- send them to a concentration camp --there are plenty in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there are lots of concentration camps in the USA, waiting '
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first verifiable, instantiated fact Zade's made all night'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'blaming the agent for the agency is moronic'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'there's nothing wrong with the agency, aside from the fact that due to past abuses they can't do shit anymore.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't need to exist'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Majic, you are saying "following orders is okay"  Heil!'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, following an order you know to be illegal is in itself illegal. NSA are full of people who could be prosecuted'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, the DEA are packing people into concentration camps and starving/gassing them to death. Why hasn't this been in the news?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as far as I know, they have not, though the concentration camps do exist, though they are not for the use of the DEA'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly, I do believe the DEA is fucked up and its priorities misplaced, but claiming that they should be 'hanged drawn and quartered' is utterly moronic.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad Majic escalated from quarantining to gassing - tsk tsk tsk'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the DEA prison camps are... prisons, run by the private sector who use the millions of people in jail for life for being black without due care and attention as slave labour'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'sorry? You were the one who made the comparison between DEA and Nazis'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's like saying the FCC or the FDA should be dismantled.  The stuff the DEA operates on does bad things to people.  Potheads and gangbangers won't see the errors of their ways just because they notice the authorities are MIA.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is a death penalty in the USA -- and those guilty of the DEA malfeasance deserve to be put to death -- "hang draw and quarter" is great entertainment value (and those guilty deserve to suffer!)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the FDA should be disbanded, the FCC should have it's wings severely clipped'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why do you think the FDA should be disbanded?  Do you, like, prefer the taste of human meat in your sausage?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's duties can be handled at state level'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it constantly oversteps it's authority'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'right, we need to apply the death penalty to law enforcement agents who confiscated stuff from the wrong people while following the law'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'and that doesn't strike you as chilling in any way ...'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'drugs approved state by state? seems very redundant, very inefficent.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or it can be significantly scaled down in terms of duties'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'as far as potheads, I would rather deal with potheads than alcoholics'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is callous when others are callous
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you project Starling way too much, Zade, to ever be not-callous.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'flak is whack, yo!'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the DEA deserves to be treated callously, as the DEA was callous'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of prison camps, former army bases and such set up to hold political prisoners in the event of martial law'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'zero-tolerance  (although this is merely the troll channel -- the likelihood of the judgements trolled in the channel actually happening ... (maybe when i become god - dwahahahahahahahahah ... darn, the rules and regulations of being a benign god, darn))'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'after that brief moment of lucidity, zade is descending into madness again'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm disappointed but not surprised'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'trolls are never disappointing, Tiger.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'seriously, think about how awful Aard would be if we didn't have trolls to occupy our time.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well i guess they serve to help develop patience'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'staring at a wall for hours on end serves the same purpose.  Which would you consider to be more fun?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'true'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'what - as a Zade, i don't necessarily require to follow the rules and regulations of a benign god .. evil grin '
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda is seeming to  criticise some oriental monks (those that stare at blank walls hours on end)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Zade reminds me of James Nochty'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's necessary that you do, Zade, given that one of his rules is actually that you don't necessarily have to. ;)'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'its'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i damn near pissed myself laughing at the plight of the global warming scientists who have had their ship trapped in record-level antarctic sea ice since xmas eve'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Mardell: 'wow seriously?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you mistakenly assume that climate change (global warming is a dirty word now) meant Desert Earth instead of Snowball Earth?'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i made no such assumption, but usually expect if some bit of science is "settled", then the predictions made by the models the science is based on actually match real world results'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that expectation seems broken at every turn, hence i call bollocks'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'extra global warming produces extra humidity which produces extra winter polar ice -- a smart troll is able to conjecture this -- but excess global warming also does other things, perhaps sinister things'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, it doesn't work that way, Zade.'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those trapped incompetent polar scientists may be shills for the burn-as-much-natural-resources-as-fast-as-possible-and-get-rich lobby'
T3/r7/2013-12-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your daily learning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b0w36GAyZIA'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hour lecture from the 30th chaos congress on hacking'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome, Hitler'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) ElFeneri: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bncWsjTPEwI'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that video exhonerates my decision not to have a smartphone'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's an awesome tutorial, well worth the watch'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Retail analysis company ShopperTalk revealed that footfall to brick & mortar retail in the week leading up to xmas was down 21.2% on the same period last year. Internet sales were only up 3.9% on the same period, failing to make up the shortfall'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mortgage applications meantime hit a 13 year low in December 2013 in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'What is the chance that the "Temporary" postal increase in the US will be permanent?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '100%'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'They wouldn't do that to us would they.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'inflation'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'why tout it as 'temporary''
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you do know that a .78x + 1.03 could be less than equal to or greater than 1x +1y right tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you do know that a .78x + 1.03y could be less than equal to or greater than 1x +1y right tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sorry missed a y'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well one would assume so'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'surely y = 1.03 - 0.22x'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'just saying that a 22% drop in brick and morter sales and a 3% increase in online sales could actually be a net gain'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'also since internet sales involve shiping it might be better to comapare sales over the entire christmas shopping period rather than just the last week of it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since most things bought the week before christmas online would not arrive before christmas'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's not likely unless online sales accounts for a large multiple of highstreet sales, and irrespective of that, online sales tend to go to Amazon and faceless corporates that do not benefit local economies'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i do not grant your premise that shoping at local stores benefits the local economy more than getting the best deal you can all things considered'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '(note that I am not saying that I think it is untrue, just that I don't think it is axiomatic).'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in practical terms it is true'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'studies have shown that walmarts improve local economies even though some businesses may suffer because of them.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't know of any in depth studies on the effects of online shopping on local economies.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that most of the online trade goes to amazon and ebay neither of whom pay tax, and who employ a fraction of the people, i'd say it's an issue'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but the general premise of greater specialization and trade = greater profits for all would argue for it being good for them'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think that is an interesting question that deserves study'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what good is it that you save 10% on your purchases if 10% have been made redundant?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'also amazon does pay taxes, just not necessarily local taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'made redundant how?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'made redundant through local highstreet stores closing. Amazon pays no tax nationally'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'everyone getting the things that they can best get online there improves their individual financial situation'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'leaving them with more money to spend on things they can't get online (like most services).'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'simply isn't true'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'this is the entire point of competitive advantage'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'prove it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'show me the study that demonstrates it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am not saying you are wrong, I am just saying you can't take it for granted that you are right.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of studies showing how both online sales and large out of town chains kill of local businesses'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'are there?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and do those show that individuals in those communities are, on average, worse off because of this?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'has there been a scientific study? probably not, people don't tend to do scientific studies on things that are blatantly obvious'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'pretty sure ebay and amazon pay tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'neither pay appropriate tax, elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they do, and soon they will be paying state taxes in most states if the current trend in court cases continues'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sure, Emm, has the number of people out of work gone up or down with the proliferation of online shopping?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well that is a problem with your tax system not the existence of online retailers'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well ebay is a middle man'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hardly conclusive evidence tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not the local tax system, it's the global tax system, or rather it's a result of globalisation'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and actually my guess is that the correlation is in the other direction'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if for no other reason than people shop more when they are employeed'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, hence less employment means less people shopping'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which means that as internet sales increase so does employement'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which says nothing about which one is causing the other or if both are being caused by a third factor'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'internet shopping requires fewer staff'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes we just agreed to that'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'maybie for the areas which the companies are based'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you just proved the opposite'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I thought we agreed that employed people shop more?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'looks like ebay paied around 15% taxes 12 months ending 2012 12 31'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, and it was also stated that online stores put local business out of business'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so it would be pretty startling to see an inverse correlation between employement and online shopping.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not startling, it's blatantly obvious'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'putting local business out of business does not necessarily mean that the people in the area are in general worse off'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it means they're out of work'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not necessarily, and even if it does, that just means they aren't providing a service that is demanded by the market'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and they need to shift to something more in demand'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Amazon, UK revenue $7bn, UK tax: $4m'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and wow looks like amazon got taxed even more'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'just because you have historically been able to make a profit doing so does not mean that anyone owes you the ability to continue to do so against competitive pressure.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ebay, UK revenue $1.3bn, UK tax: $2m'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's totally irrelevent, emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is completely relevant'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'almost like like amazon paied 78% taxes 12 months ending 2012'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that amazon and ebay are not taxed similarly to other providers of the same goods is a potential problem for many reasons'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't a question of whether things need to change or adapt, it was a question of whether the transition caused unemployment'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm tax aint on revenue buddy'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'tax is on income'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but even if they paid the same taxes as everyone else they would likely still outcompete local business'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well sales tax is on revenue'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ebay had a projected profit of $250m. They dodged the tax thanks to the fucking EU'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'sales tax is paied buy the buyer'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no sales tax is paid by the seller'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thats a pass through tansaction'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that they charge the buyer is purely a matter of market pressures'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'eg item at store cost 1$ store charges 1.06'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who actually bears the burden of a sales tax is an empirical question with an answer that is unrelated to the assignment of the accounting of it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the .06 passed through to tax man'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxes are dodged by funneling money via luxemberg, by charging for mythical things like franchise fees, or non-existant service charges'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as is seen when taxes are raised and businesses lower prices to compensate'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the tax dodging has nothing to do with sales taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in that case the business is bearing the burden of the tax (or at least that portion that corrisponds to the price drop)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I know TN I was responding to Elchanan'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I agree with you that online busineses should be required to comply with appropriate tax laws of where they are doing business'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and let me say you respond poorly'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the whole "use tax" system is just bogus'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how so elchanan?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nothing I said was the least bit untrue or contestablel.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'just because there is something on your receipt that says sales tax does not mean that YOU are paying the sales tax.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than the effect of online/OoT chains on local business'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'this is simple economics.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i missed something TN?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'retailers collect the sales tax here'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I donm't disagree that local business can (and often do) suffer under the competition from chains or online outlets.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'sales tax is paid by buyer not seller'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and amazon collects sales tax in NY'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and will likely soon collect them everywhere'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we are moving to a system of sales tax being collected based on point of delivery rather than point of "sale"'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'its even true in florida at least if you buy from out of state then you are supposed to report the purchase and pay taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'at least in the US'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Yes Elchanan thats called a "use tax" not a sales tax, although they are usually reciprocal'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes i know that its called'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and its based on sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and its based on sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not convinced with the law they're proposing for you guys with regards internet taxc'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i.e. if you pay a 5 cents a dollar tax in alabama, and then import to florida where the tax is 6 cents on the dollar then you should only have to pay the extra 1%'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'true emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but regardless of whether it is a use tax or a sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the trouble with the proposed law is that it is NOT restricted to internet sales'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'unless you use the item outside of florida for i think it was 6 months'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who bears the burden of the tax is determined by elasticity of supply and demand, not who bears the accounting burden'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '(note that the accounting burden is not insubstantial and not identical)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'personally I think that use taxes are borderline unconstitutional since they amount to a tax on exports from another state, which is expressly forbidden to the states.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they'd be better off saying "if you purchase at bricks and mortar, you pay the local tax, if you buy online you pay the tax local to the purchaser'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but im not the guy in charge of making that decision'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is what is happening tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea yea in economic profits vs accounting profits'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regulating commerce between the states is within scope for the federal government under the constitution, is it not?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't think you paid sales tax on internet sales period in the USA'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if company has office in your state they charge you sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is a whole string of cases headed for the US Supreme Court trying to get online retailers to have to collect sales taxes for the jurisdiction that they are shipping to (if they ship to that jurisidiction in volume enought to be considered connection to the jurisdiction (probably about $40,000 annually).'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if they don't?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats the thing that scotus will soon decide'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'whether merely shipping to a jurisdiction amounts to connection to the jurisidiction for the purpose of subject matter jurisidiction.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think they should enact sales tax rate of the buyer and apply it to all distance selling. I can't think of any simpler or fairer way of doing it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i wonder how transportation companies are taxed'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you think about it shipipng companies are acting as agents for the shippers'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so mere delivery of an item results in a connection to the jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they don't really sell products (or when they do those are taxed just like anything else sold in a brick and mortar store)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'services for shipping are generally taxed at the point of departure rather than the point of arrival'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course here, we're just walloped with a flat 20% sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is a strong argument that it should be split somehow'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you tax distance sales at the rate of the seller then the sellers all move to the lowest tax regime to gain advantage, not a helpful thing'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'maybe it is a helpful thing tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'competition between governments is rare, but when we can arrange it that seems like it can only be a good thing'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and thanks to the fucking EU, if i buy something from the USA, i pay 12.8% import duty AND 20% sales tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but I do think it should be split 50/50'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'point of departure and point of arrival'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '50% of each's tax rate'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't be competition, it'll be all the red states instituting an online tax rate of 0%'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which will see companies moving there and california and new york will bitch and moan and you'll be right back to square one'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '50% might sound fair, but is extremely difficult to administer'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not really'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'its not like amazon doesn't know where it is shipping to and from'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the end user doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'computers can calculate this sort of thing fairly easily'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but they can be told'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'by amazon'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and if you accept the premise that merely shipping to a state puts the company into that states jurisdiction for those things shipped there'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be contrary to how they currently operate and would be a bitch to try and navigate'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'then they would be subject to audits etc'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you try comparing prices then, you'd have to display the price including sales taxes, which means knowing where the shopper is, which isn't easy either'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'collecting sales tax rate of the buyer applied ot all distance selling is hardly a "simple" way of doing it, when there are literally millions of different jurisdictions and rates for the seller to keep track of if that happens (without a very substantial minimum volume attached)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it would be contrary to how they currently operate, but if SCOTUS says that they have to pay sales taxes in the end jurisdictions they might want to think about pushing for such a compromise'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i doubt such a compromise will come out, it'll fall one way or the other'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'makes more sense for distance selling for rate to be applied to and handed to the buyers jurisdiction'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not reasonably maintainable without very large volumes'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it not?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, it is not'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you already store delivery address, so it requires no extra storage'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not correct'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'do elaborate'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it requires the state (and possibly local) sales tax information'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if its just the 50 states then thats not a big deal'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'while computers can do lookups easily, the actual data for that lookup is simply not available in any meaninful manner...tax laws can be extremely complex, and the store would need to know millions of jurisdiction ones'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could always set a distance selling tax rate that is fixed federally'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but if they have to store every city, and county, and water district, and school district that assesses sales taxes then that could get problematic'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that would require a constitutional amendment tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'town A charges sales tax on clothing, town B on prepared foods but not unprepared foods, etc'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'for a federal establishment of a state tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'to get around the anticommendering principle'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you have no real options left, you either have that lookup complexity, or you leave the status quo'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'some places, you've got different tax rate when you just cross the street...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we could just have it be by state (or nation for non US)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and let the states decide if they want to provide more detailed information'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'out of country it is handled by customs'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and make the online retailers only responsible for collecting those reported to it by the proper state authority.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'then the states could, if they so desired, create GIS databases with the exact tax that each street address is required to pay'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course then people might get po boxes in neighboring towns to reduce taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it would be the birth of a very lucrative business, just keeping track of and maintaining the databases'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but thats another set of problems'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'could the online retailers send details to state tax regimes of who'd bought what?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as someone who just finished GIS class I approve of the creation of that business.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'easily'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you'd have issues with people not paying their tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is actually already a system setup in most states to allow the reporting of income automatically, it wouldn't be that hard to modify that to handle sales data.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, which gets into more privacy issues ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well do we really have any privacy really?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we should, emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sure we should, but do we, will we ever again?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'depends if you can oust your government and put someone in that can take the NSA in hand'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'still I prefer the idea of requiring online (and mail order) retailers to collect taxes at the rate the state provides them based on address'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and leave it up to the state to decide if it will let local entities collect taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since local entities are creations of the state'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that reduces it to a political issue for each state'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds sensible. If it's in the interests of the states to make the information available to online sellers, they'll do it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think this sounds like a good paper topic for my next tax class.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and it could be reasonably easily applied to foreign countries as well'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't need to be applied to foreign countries'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if UK wants amazon to collect and remit the sales tax then they can inform amazon of the amount'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's not necessarily a question of do we have privacy so much as we have privacy silos currently...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they wouldn't choose to do that because customs is part of the security set up'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if the country doesn't want amazon to collect the sales tax then it just doesn't give them an amount to collect'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is easy enough'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think we would probably want to have a rule that the state has to provide it to substantially all online retailers not just pick and choose though'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'otherwise you could see some really shady backroom dealings.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't see UK doing that, customs is tighter than fort kno'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'knox'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'do we really need more taxes?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're also, from my experience, thieving bastards'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'its not about more taxes elchanan its about more balanced tax systems'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'heh, a box of split-shot sinkers showed up at my house a couple months ago...my dad had them shipped to me because they can't be sold to new york state addresses, he just forgot to tell me about it until after they came'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as long as we are going to have a sales tax forcing local companies to pay it and online and mailorder companies not having to is unfair'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and (as tigernuts correctly points out) potentially damaging to the local economy'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you should probably not discuss violating interstate shipping law on public channels abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not that I am qualified to give you legal advice'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea i agree with that. I would think its highly costly to alter tax structures drastically or often.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but i would say that is especially true if the shipment you are discussing is a munition'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not illegal to have something shipped where it is allowed'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the political (and administrative) costs and benefits can be calculated and the states can choose to engage or not'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it depends on how much revenue they are giving up by not reforming their system'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'this was fishing sinkers, not munitions...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well thats not exactly unfair'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ahh well nm'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lead?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if its not illegal to ship them there, only illegal to sell them to be shipped there then that is something else entirely'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'thipping cost still has to be paied'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'shipping and payed :P'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'paid?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea that'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im a horrible speller :P'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nod tiger, that's the reason'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dumb arse green lobby'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bunch of nanny state fuckwits'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as long as it isn't illegal to own them in NY or ship them to NY for private individuals'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'since 2004, the sale of lead fishing sinkers weighing 1/2 ounce or less was disallowed'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'just the sale'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like dumb rules preventing lead use in ammunition manufacture'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't think that rule is dumb at all tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'what state abe'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'lead is a toxic pollutant'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the actual statute is: No person shall sell at retail or offer for retail sale lead fishing sinkers weighing one-half ounce or less. '
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and it kills carrion birds that eat the entrails left behind by hunters'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'where tho abe'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'NY'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'new york, I mentioned that earlier'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't think fishing weights get left behind all that often though'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so thats probably a stupid rule'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ahh ok because i think mass has something restricting the size of lead weight for freshwater use'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'insignificant. it had to do with being able to pass -any- form of anti-gun law without needing congress'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'lol emm I lost one a few weeks ago'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'probably a 1 oz'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they genuinely gave a shit about toxic pollutants, they wouldn't have shipped energy production to Mexico and production of just about everything else in the universe to China'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and i was using about 50lb test braided line'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well the answer is of course to tax the pollutants including on imports'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not practical, emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and not what they wanted'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'actually in most cases it is more practical than current regulatory nightmares'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'using 12lb test and smaller mono lines you will break off more often'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you taxed imports heavily, manufacture might move to the USA, and the government can't possibly have that'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '(not politically practical though because Republicans think "tax" is a four letter word).'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'actually, removing trade barriers is a leftie thing'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again I just think everything should be competing on an even footing in terms of taxation'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'could prob go through a whole handful of 1/4 oz weights if using wrong gear'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and I think that negative externalities (especially pollution ones with diverse sources and harms) should be a primary focus of tax law rather than primarily regulated'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'taxing externalities worldwide is a nice idea, but impractical'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'transportation taxes *cough*'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'like tax rate for mileage driven'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'or flown'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'but one thing govt's dont really want to do is cause less transactions to happen'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for import taxes :-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'not necessarily a import tax more of a docking fee:P'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would have prevented the collapse that has resulted from globalisation'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'something that would be based on the transport method used'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why is it impractical tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i mean there is the problem of calculating the true value of the externality'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and determining the appropriate tax to counter it (which studies show is actually somewhat less than the actual damage of the externality)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but that would have to be done for national (or local) taxation of the externality as well'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'once it is done it isn't hard to apply it to other countries'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and you can have tax credits for companies in countries that have thier own tax on that externality'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'just like we already do with some things.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't understand why people think that complex necessarily means impractical in this day and age'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we have massive data processing capabilities.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'we have massive data processing capabilities, but we don't often have ways to seed said data processing capabilities...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the second you have a complicated tax regime, you have a dodgable tax regime'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'which was the main issue with the "tax at the buyer's rate"...computers can calculate it with no problem if they have the rules input, but they don't exist anywhere [yet]'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would be impossible to tax imports on exteralities without knowing exactly how they were produced'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes but if we leave it up to the people who want to collect the tax at the buyers rate to create the systems there really shouldn't be a problem'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's bad enough with the huge catalogue of codes for existing excise'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'either they will make it or they won't'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and what that rate should be can be decided at the state political level'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could perhaps enact such taxation on imported energy and fuel, but that's about it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course ALL political systems are corruptable and probably corrupt, but that is a seperate issue.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not at all tn'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we know how much energy it takes to make a piece of computer hardware'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, you do not'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we know the energy profiles of every country in the world'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you know how much energy it would take at an efficient plant, and at an inefficient plant...you don't know how much it took to make it "here"...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we know how much of what pollutants are produced for the most part.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'true, but we can estimate, and let the manufacture prove if it is less.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best you could do is approximate across a class of goods'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, we know how much of what pollutants are produced using "clean" processes and using "dirty" ones...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we can do a lot better than that tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you really can't'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why not?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we can if we want, just assume dirty inefficient methods and allow companies to prove otherwise if they want to pay less tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because you could never keep track of it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and how would you propose to prove it...I doubt China's gonna open up visibility to how much energy their plants are using'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it doesn't fit in with a small/simple government model'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far easier to just tax all imports and encourage local manufacture where you can regulate the externalities'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'actually we have pretty good ideas about how much energy plants use in china abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'maybe not to the individual plant level but a general amount'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and again if it is worth it to the company to prove lower rates, then they will find a way to do so'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course it would be subject to cheating, but thats really true of just about any tax system'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the point of the system isn't to be perfect, it is just to put pressure on externalities, and hopefully lift some pressure on things that we don't really want to distort (like labor markets)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that can be achieved using broad brush import tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amorok: 'who is simon cowell?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'reward people for playing when others are as well i guess'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'how about a tax for whenever electronic money is converted to hard currency'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how about we get rid of fiat currencies and return to a precious metal standard?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and kill all the bankers :)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'because that would be aweful'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'precious metal standard might prove difficult now'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'since western countries sold it all to russia, india, and china'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well that was their mistake'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'l'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'the money supply should contract expand alond with the needs and wants of the world, so to speak'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'along with'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there are soo many problems with our money and financial systems that I don't even know where to start'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'im just saying there is an externality involved with using paper money'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'other than by saying we should pass a constitutional amendment to require the death penalty for the kind of crap that the bankers pulled in the whole build up to the bailout, the bailout, and how it was used etc.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how so elchanan?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'namely being that transactions with paper $ are not transparent'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'how is that an externality'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'upon whom is a cost imposed?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is losses in tax revenue associated with it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'law abiding tax payers'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'hmm, I am not sure that is necessarily true'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and if it is true then how does taxing conversion to paper help address it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there would just be a trade in paper money in the places that are avoiding the detection of the electronic systems (which probably already happens so this would just reinforce it)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'if you buy something with electronic currency the transaction can be recorded'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it can be, but it isn't automatically'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and paper money transactions can be recorded too, they are all the time'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and alot of times they are not'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and if you completely eliminate paper money you would probably just push the grey market into developing its own electronic currency'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'umm like BTC'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no comment'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'rofl'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'just a small tax ... maybe like .01%'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't see how taxing the conversion helps even if you grant the externality exists'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best leave paper money alone and just stop printing it to stabalise the supply'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the conversion isn't the problem the problem is unrecorded trades'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but unreported buying and selling is illegal in a system with income taxes'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and sales taxes for that matter'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and to locate those unrecorded trades needs funding right'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so we are already working from the premise that the people causing the problem are criminals'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so you are proposing taxing people who have a legitimate and legal need for paper currency'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'why should they specifically bear the burden of catching criminals who use paper money?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why bother?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'real criminals don't use paper money'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'this would be like taxing all gun sales to pay for investgating and prosecuting gun crimes'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the real criminals aren't criminals at all, they are "too big to prosecute"'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'i have no problem with a small ammo tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there already is a gun/ammo tax'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't either, but for completely different reasons'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I am not sure that gun owners (the law abiding kind) should bear the burden of finding the illegal kind'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it isn't as if transactions where guns are sold to criminals are going to be reported to begin with'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why not'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'debate why do legal gun owners bear a special responsibilty for the existence or action of illegal gun users?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'well we could just out law all guns'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not in the US'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why should legal gun owners bear a responsibility for non-gun owners crimes?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'at least not without an amendment'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yes emm its called constitutional ammendments... and they can be changed las time i checked'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well sure, but it will never happen'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'because they want to protect thier right to bear arms'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they don't try and ammend the constitution for things that it NEEDS ammending for, what makes you think they would for anything else?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't really know how I feel about the existence of the second'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '2nd is pretty important, and just as much under fire as the 1st, 3rd, and 4th'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and part of protection those right means no having arms in the people who are non law abiding'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't know if it is pretty important or not, but it certainly isn't "as much under fire" as the others'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well more than the 3rd but I didn't realize we had a problem with housing soldiers in our homes in times of peace'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'perhaps you meant the 5th, or the 6th, or the 8th'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ahh, that's because you need to update the interpretation in view of modern technology'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'we are quartering soldiers in our homes?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'last I checked there weren't any drones in my house'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I don't think the third has anything to do with privacy if thats what you are getting at'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=b0w36GAyZIA'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'explained in there'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'speaking of rarely used but potentially relevant amendments, what do you think of the idea that the 13th amendment prohibts banning abortion?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nonsense'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(my opinion of that)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with the exception of rape, you choose to get pregnant by your actions'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what does that have to do with anything?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you choose to get in debt by your own actions'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so debtors prison should be reinstated?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the point is that if you fundementally accept that a pregnancy is having one life form inside of another, then forcing the other to carry the first to term is a form of slavery'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not forcing, you chose it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fundamentally'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'consider it a life-contract'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again we do not allow indentured servitude'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being a parent -is- indentured servitude, you can't stop being a parent'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'just because you choose to take a job does not mean that they can force you to continue to do that job if you become dissatisfied with it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course you can'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'once the child is born you can drop it off at a fire station'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no you can't, you can give a child up for adoption, but you're still it's parent'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but you are not forced to do anything for the child (beyond putting it out of your care)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not strictly true'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is in every jurisdiction in the US'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sometimes it isn't the fire station'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'regardless, you can't apply that sort of logic to pregnancy because it is neither one thing nor the other'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but there is always a location that it can be done, and they are always widespread (hospitals, fire departments, etc)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and the best, simplest, and most clear cut interpretation is that with the exception of rape, you opted to become pregnant'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well it is either a single life form or two life forms'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to consider that pregancy servitude, then consider getting pregnant when you didn't want it a crime'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again you chose to take the job, but they can't force you to stay in it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a job'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'at least in the US that is illegal under the 13th'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a biological process'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the correllary is there'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is either 1 life form or two'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you don't want to be subject to that process, don't get pregnant, or cut out your womb'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if it is one life form then obviously what she does with it is no business of anyone else'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't it technically a parasite?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if it is two, then forcing her to carry it to term is a violation of the 13th'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thats probably the best description'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'although people get offended when liberals call it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a violation of the 13th because the 13th applies to being enslaved in work'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it doesn't'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it can be all sorts of things'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'slave babies didn't typically have to work, but they certainly were still slaves'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well by that definition then everyone is a slave'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'howso?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a pregnant mother is not property of the unborn, cannot be bought or sold by the child'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only criteria it meets is the forced to work bit'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is a bit of a stretch anyway'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could argue that it is illegal to be ill with a virus or bacteria infection because it's slavery'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a nonsense argument'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least you get to choose whether to get pregnant or not, you don't often choose to get ill, or to be a slave'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no it would only be illegal for the government to prevent you from ridding yourself of the illness'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think you're barking up the wrong tree with that, it's absurd'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and saying that everyone who gets pregnant chooses to become pregnant (excepting rape and rapelike scenarios)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'is actually wrong too'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you choose to go outside and interact with people which can get you sick with the flu'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so by your logic the government could require to you not treat your flu symptoms, but bear the flu to term.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jhav: 'I'm pretty sure that outside of a few exceptional cases, interacting with other people is not optional.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wasn't arguing that, Emm, i wasn't arguing that the 13th was justification for banning anything'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not justification for ruling either direction'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not applicable'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you were arguing a reason that it wasn't and your argument was flawed and i showed the analogy that shows why it is flawed'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact that it's flawed shows the premise is dodgy in the first place'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '1) choosing to have sex is not choosing to become pregnant, 2) even if you choose to become pregnant that doesn't mean you give up the right to choose to become not pregnant.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'wait the fact that you can't come up with a nonflawed way to refute my premise is proof that my premise is dodgy?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not everywhere in the US has "safe haven" laws, btw'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't disagree, the point at which a foetus can survive outside of the mother is the point at which abortion should be banned'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which state doesn't?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'choosing to have [unprotected] sex is choosing to be open to the possibility of pregnancy'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, i also think that it shouldn't be an issue. If people weren't so fucking stupid, you wouldn't require so many abortions and it wo uldn't be such a contentious issue'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i know plenty of people who have gotten pregnant from "protected" sex'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and there are definitely jobs that you can choose to take, which you are not at libert to leave when you s ochoose'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's no such thing as protected sex unless you're infertile'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'condoms break, the pill is only 99% effective'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'apart from the military which is a whole different ball of wax name one abelinc?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'condoms don't break that often...and that's 99% for the moments of fertility, which isn't that much of the time'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in the US that is'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nevertheless abe the point is protection isn't perfect, and that still doesn't detract from point 2.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'you cant do the action without the possibility of reprocution and if you do then it is irresponsible of both the parents'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'if you know "plenty of people" that got pregnant from protected sex, you know a lot of liars or people who don't know how to use the protection'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, it's all bullshit'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you can't take the risk of the act, don't do it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes, there are people who have gotten pregnant from protected sex...there are not "plenty", and certainly not plenty within a single person's social sphere'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who gets to define the risks of the act though?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not relevent, emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the risk of getting pregnant does not necessarily entail the risk of having to carry a child to term'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the risks have been known for thousands of years...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banning abortion outside the first trimester seems a reasonable and pragmatic compromise'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and people have been taking moon tea for thosands of years abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so next argument?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'we are medically advanced enough that the point is kinda moot'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the whole abortion argument could be mostly solved by undoing the damage done to the social fabric over the last 50 years'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'how does that change anything?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you said the risk of getting pregnant has been known for 1000s of years'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it has'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I countered that abortions (moon tea) has been prevelant for just as long'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so if there is an inherent risk in it there is an inherent right to limit the risk'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and as the recent case in texas proves circumstances change'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'abortions haven't ever been an inherent right to limit the risk'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is a woman on life support against her express will because she is pregnant'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the risk is inherent by definition...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the right isn't inherent and would need to be externally-enforced'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and the scope of the risk is also inherent by definition'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when does the foetus become a person?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'first unassisted breath'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'plenty of aborted fetuses have broken that...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'and plenty more would've broken that if they were allowed to breathe'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlikely you'll ever get a concensus on this question'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that would be murder, and it gets prosecuted as such'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'best you can do is compromise'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'comprimise with people who wish to force thier will on others'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it'd be prosecuted as such if there were anyone to do the prosecuting...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'pretty much the epitomy of government reaching into places it doesn't belong'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'abortions are people who wish to force their will on others ;-)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'huh?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'you think the kid wants to die?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'abortions are people?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why not kill kids up to age 3, as some democrats have been pushing'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think the kid is presentient, but that is beside the point'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it beside the point?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the kid isn't any more presentient than a 1-hour-old...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Amorok: 'abortion.. '
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the point is if you believe that the fetus is a distinct life form, then forcing the mother to carry it against her will is the government forcing servitude without any crime having been commited'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it servitude?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'adhering to your commitment isn't forced servitude'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is it not servitude me eating pickled onions when they give me bad guts?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if the government forces you to do it it is tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Getting raped is a commitment now?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'last time i checked, eating pickled onions isn't a crime'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rape was excluded from this right at the very beginning, Yuna'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'chosing to have sex is not inherently commiting to having a child'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it is'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Oh, I wasn't around for that. I thought we were talking about the current actual debate going on in the U.S.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'only if you have some fucked up christian morality'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, emm, it's a biological fact'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'even before roe vs wade, abortions were always legal for cases of rape or mother's health'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so is moon tea tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'some people get pleasure from eating, but it's a biological function'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no they weren't abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no it isn't, emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes they were, emm'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you are wrong'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'in the US they were'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nope'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'You should only be allowed to support banning abortion if you also supporting the following: Comprehensive sex ed. Free or at least heavily subsidized contraceptives (which include the morning after pill, which doesn't cause abortions. It only prevents fertilization).'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'AND a comprehensive safety net for those who are forced to become mothers without being able to afford it.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you shouldn't be restricted to those things for any reason, yuna'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Learn. To. Read.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'all of those exist currently'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't dictate what peopel support'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Like fuck they do, Abelinc.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sex ed is parental responsibility'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Abstinence Only education. Ever heard of it?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and contraceptives are already free'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the texas statue roe overturned did not have a rape exception abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yuna: in the US, they do'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'In the US they do what, Abelinc?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Akuri: 'if a mother wants to kill her baby kill kill the mother for making the mistake and the baby too sparing a life of poverty and institutionalized living'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'they exist currently'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'WHAT exist?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'your criteria for supporting banning abortion exist'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so you are wrong abelinc'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'frayed knot'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the only exception in the texas law was to save the life of the mother.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'time to get your sources out'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'There are literally states in the U.S. where it is ILLEGAL for schools to teach kids sex ed. There are many states where parents can opt their kids out of sex ed, which leaves kids' ability to learn how to properly avoid unwanted pregnancies up to the whims of their nutbag parents.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'will wikipedia do? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ontuct: 'we have the internet to teach sex ed :p'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Endtime: 'yeah cuz the internet doesnt exist'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or do you want the actual case'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i wouldn't leave schools to teach my kids sex ed, i'd do it myself'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it will, given that wiki supports my statement...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Also, Abelinc, comprehensive safety net my ass.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you will NEVER find a perfect solution to the abortion problem'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-ever-'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the best you can do is a pragmatic compromise'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the details of which i have already laid out for my suggestion'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The pragmatic compromise being: Allow abortions within a certain time limit (the period before a fetus becomes a baby that can survive if born prematurely). You don't like abortions? Don't have one. Let others choose for themselves.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, allow abortions for first trimester, encourage charities to give free implants, and use societal pressure to discourage unprotected sex, and discourage promiscuity'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tormat: 'whos rights are more importain, the womans or the unborn baby?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'A pregnant single woman (Roe) brought a class action challenging the constitutionality of the Texas criminal abortion laws, which proscribe procuring or attempting an abortion except on medical advice for the purpose of saving the mother's life.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'directly from the syllabus of the case'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'In June 1969, Norma L. McCorvey discovered she was pregnant with her third child. She returned to Dallas, Texas, where friends advised her to assert falsely that she had been raped in order to obtain a legal abortion (with the understanding that Texas law allowed abortion in cases of rape and incest). However, this scheme failed because there was no police report documenting the alleged rape.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '"If any person shall designedly administer to a pregnant woman or knowingly procure to be administered with her consent any drug or medicine, or shall use towards her any violence or means whatever externally or internally applied, and thereby procure an abortion, he shall be confined in the penitentiary not less than two nor more than five years'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'depends on whose syllabus you're reading and how comprehensively they wish to state it...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'What was that supposed prove, Abelinc?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if it be done without her consent, the punishment shall be doubled. By 'abortion' is meant that the life of the fetus or embryo shall be destroyed in the woman's womb or that a premature birth thereof be caused."'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '"Nothing in this chapter applies to an abortion procured or attempted by medical advice for the purpose of saving the life of the mother."'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again directly from Roe v. Wade, quoting the relevant law'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there was a precident in Federal common law for the rape exception'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but nothing in texas law allowed for it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'except for it being legal...'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'where?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'whats the article that made it legal'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or the texas court case?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_abortion_statutes_(1961)'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course, the other option is to remove all reference to it in federal law and let states make up their own mind'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The only exception was if the abortion was needed in order to save the life of the murder. There was no exception for cases of rape.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Took me literally 5 seconds to look up.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'no, the only written exception'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thanks Yuna, glad to know those 2 weeks of my con law class were wasted when a 5 second internet search returns the same results'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'that's not the same as the only exception'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The fuck are you talking about? There are "unwritten" exceptions now?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not now...always '
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Like, what, the courts just looked the other way?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'not at all'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Are you on, Crazybags?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'the meaning of the law'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The law was very clear. There was no exceptions in cases of rape. Abortions were illegal EXCEPT if the life of the mother was in danger (and even then a simple "There MIGHT be a risk" didn't always suffice").'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'things which were considered to be a given were not written'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'The MEANING of the law was "We don't give a fuck. No abortions for you! Unless you'd die anyway."'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'again, you think the law was clear, and yet you're incorrect'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Yeah. Let's not listen to every written record of the law. Let's go with our "feelings".'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'I'm done here. I'm not gonna attempt to reason with Tigernuts ver. 2.0.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'nothing to do with feelings'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well -i- don't know, and don't much care, not really that relevent to what is best for the future'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'abelinc please point to a law or case that stands for the principle that rape exception existed prior to roe v wade in texas'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i just searched on westlaw and found nothing'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Summoner Yuna: 'Ssshhh, Emm. Don't bother him with facts!'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyway, the 13th ammendment is not relevent to abortion because pregnant mothers are not considered property and cannot be traded'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'neither are indentured servants tigernuts but that is also outlawed by the 13th'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and the ability to be traded is not inherent in slavery'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is entirely possible to have a slavery law that does not allow trading'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then how do you become a slave?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are considered property, regardless'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'indentured servitude requires a contract'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'again not true tigernuts'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's debt bondage'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it differs from slavery by virtue of it being contractual rather than being considered property'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in many cases jurisdictions tried to turn slaves into indentured servants by claiming that they owed for all the support they received while slaves'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'without any contract'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by claiming they are owed money implies debt'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is essentially forcing a contract on them'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'according to the slavery convention of 1926, slavery is "the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised"'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'ANY or all of the the powers attaching to the right of ownership'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup, people as property'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and "all work or service which is exacted from any person under the menace of any penalty and for which the said person has not offered himself voluntarily"'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like everyone under threat of the government, but i've always argued that we are are in indentured servitude'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well that may be true too'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, neither my definitions or yours would apply to a pregnant mother'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but i think its a more clear cut case in the realm of abortion'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not that there aren't other more satisfying reasons why government outlawing abortion is outragous'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than preventing murder?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if you are hanging off a bridge and I am holding you up, do i have a duty to continue to hold you up?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'is it murder for me to let go?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's suicide for you to let go, which is self-murder'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no you are the one hanging off the bridge not me'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you fall off the side of a bridge, and I reach out and grab you trying to save you'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but I decide it hurts to much to try to haul you up, so I let go'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'did I commit murder?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'thanks.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'next topic'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'acutally I am going to try to finish that video you linked earlier'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I really want to see how this guy turns this into a third amendment violation'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a "this is a violation of the 3rd ammendment" it's more of a "doesn't this look like a violation of the 3rd ammendment"? It's a intellectual exercise'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'however, the whole video is extremely interesting'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so far he is talking about the general writ of assistance which is exactly what the fourth amendment was designed to protect us from.'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'agree to the interesting part'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone should watch it'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially those who still think NSA's actions are proportionate or necessary'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'finished it yet?'
T3/r7/2013-12-31.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sadly i would need to hire someone to write the descriptions for me because all my creating writing skills are going to my master's thesis.'