T3/r7/2014-02-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'aw man!  the beer delivery drone service has been grounded by the FAA.'
T3/r7/2014-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the superrich, chief among them that little shitbag Zuckerburg is briefing against anti-immigration people. They need immigration to fully bankrupt the country and transfer the rich to their superrich class'
T3/r7/2014-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ted Talk, from what i saw, propaganda talks hiding under a thin veneer of legitimate academia'
T3/r7/2014-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so who is going to win the Superbowl, the Seattle Lesbians, or the Denver Nazis?'
T3/r7/2014-02-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, lawmakers are considerring the return of firing squads and gas chambers as lethal injection drugs supplies are interupted'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'Checked Exceptions are a good idea: discuss!'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'In addressing criticism of the Common Core national education standards, a panelist at the Center for American Progress (CAP), a liberal think tank, said critics were a 'tiny minority' who opposed standards altogether, which was unfair because 'the children belong to all of us.''
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The National Curriculum, an analogous country-wide program was introduced to the UK in 1988 and has led to massive grade inflation and unprecedented drops in the standard of achievement in UK schools'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good news! dow jones down 300pts'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Xaeris peers intently at Tigernuts.
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts sends Xaeris across the dance floor.
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'dow latest, down 325 points - can it fall below 15k by the end of the week?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who cares?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone with a pension?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'uhm i know lots of people with pensions who don't care about the dow'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anyone who follows the economy or geopolitics'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no one has a pension left now, the banks eat them all'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps they ought to :-)'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are these the same people you know who don't know where Iraq is, or know where beef comes from?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not really tigernuts, the dow is not really a good indicator of much of anything.'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's not strictly true is it? It's a measure of the value of listed companies'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes to the first no to the second'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'suit yourself :-)'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes which is not a good indicator for much of anything'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'everyone i know knows where beef comes from, most of them from first hand experience'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well it's a good thing that the dow is going down, it need to continue going down for about another 5000 points'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'on the other hand half my friends would be hard pressed to pick out asia on a globe much less iraq'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are your friends thick?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no just redneck'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rednecks are not evitably thick'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'isn't Iraq the capital of Asia? I read that somewhere once'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no many of them are actually really smart in their own fields or areas'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as an honorary redneck, i take offence at that'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but most of them have very little interest for anything not from mericu'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'if they know where iraq is it is only because they went there in the military'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and given that half our elected officials couldn't find iraq on a map, i don't see why it is surprising that half my friends couldn't either'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's representative democracy for you'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'looks like the WH is on the march early about the upcoming borrowing limit. "US Treasury Secretary Jack Lew has warned the US may default on its debt by the end of the month if Congress does not raise its borrowing limit."'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'despite that being a complete lie'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the only way the US defaults on its debts is if the president orders it'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which im pretty sure will never happen'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and if he orders it when it's not necessary to default, isn't that technically an impeachable offence?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what is an impeachable offence?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything that violates his oath of office'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'congress could impeach the president because they think his shirt looks funny.'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there is absolutely no concept of impeachable offense in the US constitution or law.'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime, the beeb in the UK is pushing global banks cashless agenda: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-26020231'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: '"The President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'constitution article 2 section 4'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'article 1 section 3'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'so the senate could probably try impeaching the president for having a funny shirt, but hopefully the courts would throw it out'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or to put it another way an impeachable offense is anything that 218 congressemen say it is.'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the house has to vote to impeach first'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'then the senate tries it'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a no physical-cash society --> all electronic --> "the mark of the beast" --> "where no man may trade except by the number of his name"'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'I'm guessing it's subject to judicial review, but I really don't know'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it isn't'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'at all'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'Emm, you just said it wans't in the constitution either, so no offense, but I don't trust you as a source =p'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but the limit of punishment is removal from office'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, zade, and i'm totally against it (though not for the biblical reason)'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I didn't'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): *Yay!*  Go Emm!!!  The Legend Jaygod cheers her on.
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i said there is no concept of an impeachable offence'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'because we do not ever define what an impeachable offense is'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'and I quoted you the section of the constitution that defined an impeachable offence'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no you didn't'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he's right, he did quote you the section that defined it'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you quoted the section that gives the procedure for trying impeachment'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'nowhere does that define WHAT an impeachable offense is'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'it limited it to "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors."'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'is jaywalking an impeachable offense?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'misdemeanors covers pretty much anything'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'I bet a court would say no, but I'm not a lawyer. Jaywalking doesn't sound like a high crime or misdemeanor to me'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I though sexual relations with interns was impeachable as well '
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it is in fact a misdemeanor in most jurisdictions that have jaywalking laws'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'given the lack of the oxford comma, I'd say that the statement refers to "high misdemeanors"'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i concur'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'which is a meaningless statement'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Izocinoc shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'misdemeanors are by definition lesser crimes'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'as opposed to high crimes.'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i.e. felonies'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'I think most legal matters get kind of silly in the end anyway. I don't really know what would happen if congress tried it, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't.'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'in any case, even if your interpretation is correct, impeachment is limited to transgressions of the law'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so how did clinton get impeached?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that Emm attempts to equate jaywalking to an impeachable offence indicates that Emm is not to be hired into any position of authority'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'purgery, wasn't it?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you say that often zade'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'he lied to congress under oath or something'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that was Clapper'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in his impeachment hearing he did not disclose information to congress that he was not legally required to disclose'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Clapper and the Holder are the two with cast iron cases against them'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'they impeached him for perjury, but there is absolutely no evidence that he committed it (which has nothing to do with why he was acquitted by the senate)'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'all i was trying to do was make the point (somewhat dramatically) that an impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the house says it is.'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would signing off a law knowing it contravened the constitution constitute treason?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'strict, or two thirds? Just out of curiosity...'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and that if 66 senators agree he will be convicted'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think that's an upside-down statement, Emm'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'two thirds to convict in the senate'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Izocinoc: 'You are right that there is no judicial review, Emm. That's unfortunate.'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'a law cannot contravene the constitution until the proper court says that it does, and this wouldn't happen till later TN, so no'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'treason generally involves an external party -- it's not the same as being a bit naught'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'simple majority to send the articles of impeachment to the senate from the house'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'naughty'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'thank you Emm, I was curious'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and I appreciate your input'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately, WH chooses the supreme court judges, so that's a bit of a bollocksed system there'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no TN, it is the WH and not the incumbent which chooses, it's not quite the same thing'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but the supreme court has no say in impeachment matters (although the chief justice presides over the impeachment in the senate if the president is impeached)'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'although as we learned from ford the next president can pardon the impeached president.'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how often can supreme court judges be named?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'whenever one retires?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'the US has quite a clever constitutional system'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'debate or dies'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's a surprise that it doesn't work better'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'money, swalec, corporations'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it did for a while, but it has been corrupted'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'aww thanks :)'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'mischannel'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't hold up much hope of you guys sorting it out'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'that is true everywhere, the US system was designed to avoid that, at least to some extent, even if they didn't think in those terms'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'guess it just proves that good in theory and good in practice aren't necessarily the same thing'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure what i'd suggest if i was recasting my country's entire system of governance'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though i'd certainly grab a US-style constitution and then go for local represenative democracies'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'btw i should probably attribute the comment about impeachable offense being whatever a majority of congress at a given moment says it is, that was gerald ford (while he was house minority leader)'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK parliamentary system stopped working properly 100 years ago'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, I don't think that it's the governance that is the problem -- the issues is that massive disparity of wealth -- to address that, you need to address economics and the rules of ownership'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can first ban pacs'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'take the money out of politics'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not without a constitutional amendment can we tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'well or a change in staff at SCOTUS'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK i'd abolish party whips'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'no, put the politics back into economics'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i think that economics and politics should be as seperated as church and state'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts prefers the anarchy of local government incompetence'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he does'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'tigernuts wants to drown his government'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'quite the opposite Emm--economics and politics are the same thing -- we've been taught to belive they are different'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't want to drown them, though i wouldn't be sad if they did'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you know -- the banks can do anything they want, because, well, they are in the private sector, so we shouldn't meddle'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who was it deregulated the banks states-side?'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I think it was the capitalist ruling class TN...'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'tigernuts is the torry version of a tea partier (which is ironic if you think about it).'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Commmodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 was signed into law by Slick Willy'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i wouldn't qualify as either of those, Emm'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though the first time i was eligible to vote in 1997 i voted tory, and as a result, got a Labour goverment that immediately cut support to university students and imposed $5000 a year tuition fees'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(which was nice)'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'never be a sperm donor, folks: http://wearechange.org/kansas-judge-demands-sperm-donor-pay-child-support/'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'people can sploodge wherever they want.'
T3/r7/2014-02-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'usually sperm-donors through proper clinics are untouchable as to child-support -- there were likely extenuating circumstances (and Tigernuts is trolling) '
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Nighthaven: 'Obama's healthcare reform is an utter failure. '
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Lolypop: 'lol'
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/opinions/wp/2014/02/04/scenes-from-a-militarized-america-iowa-family-terrorized//?print=1'
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'truly disgusting'
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm just waiting for a time when they pull this shit and it ends up with militarised police getting blown away'
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, Female Drivers in Saudi Arabia can now be charge with terrorism under Saudi law'
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(meantime, western feminists are more concerned over how 'masculine' wikipedia is'
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'I heard it's bad for their ovaries to be in the front seat'
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'feminists are a bit shit, really, aren't they?'
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'much like everything else there are good ones and bad ones'
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'popular british feminists are rubbish'
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'far more about ego and being louder and having more media airtime than anything to do with genuine discrimination'
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most of them end up in politics or newspaper columnists'
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i.e, totally unsuited to the job'
T3/r7/2014-02-04.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i know NOTHING i didn't even get UP this morning!'
T3/r7/2014-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you hear that the Muslim Brotherhood is getting our farmaid dollars now?'
T3/r7/2014-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zimzar: 'sounds about right'
T3/r7/2014-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they've got like 100 acres doing nothing here'
T3/r7/2014-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'all hell's gonna break loose when they discover what Al qaeda's doing.'
T3/r7/2014-02-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'supreme court upheld the confiscation of 90 acres of land from it's owner under eminent demain for "economic development", giving it to a corporation who then never developed it'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'horrible story in the news about a nutjob cop pulling over an ambulance with a patient having a heart attack and then arresting the paramedics for "not pulling over"'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'driver found guilty of being black without due care and attention'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'been awhile since a visit to The Onion '
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'The Onion is more "believable" than Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'CBS news, not Onion'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hot on the tails of Obamacare, the UK's National Health Service are now openly planning to sell once private patient medical records to the highest bidder'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that (disclosure of medical records without patient permission) is illegal in Canada'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would have been here too, but apparently laws are meaningless these datys'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely misusing the loophole from the standard request that patients sign a blank form waiver permitting the medical staff to transmit medical information to "relevent" parties'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"selling to the highest bidder" does not seem "relevant" from the perspective of the patient'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it highlights the fact that the people coming to control this data are operating with profit motivations. THat is pretty relevent'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's being 'sold' to the public as being for the purposes of furthering science through 'big data''
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which is clearly bollocks since you could do that with aggregated data with no personal data attached'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an irrelevant "relevant" if they are disregarding and breaking the law'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the law isn't relevent'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is law relevent when they can circumvent it, twist it, or outright ignore it at a whim?'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if the blitish sheeple doo't complain effectively, or maybe they are muzzled blitish sheeple'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'unless Tigernuts misread and trolled the news'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'as if Tigernuts would misrepresent the news'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not if'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost snickers with Zade about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even fuckwits like you could read the news and find it wasn't misrepresented or misreported in any way'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'British media is also villifying the leaked phone call from US state department servant Victoria Nuland where in discussing the Ukraine situation with the US ambassador she says: "So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the UN help glue it and you know. Fuck the EU"'
T3/r7/2014-02-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are calling it a 'Gaff'. It wasn't a gaff, it was an honest statement'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how is it that a 16yr old girl picturing a nude selfie of herself on twitter can be prosecuted for child pornography?'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's an interesting one'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while i think it's a silly thing to do, hardly criminal'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'probably because the law doesn't say "pictures of yourself when you are younger do not count'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, criminal is what ever the law says it is'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that and that particular state has an anal age of majority'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'bah, there's no victim'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'you may think it should not be, and you may be right'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'it's an interesting metaphysical point'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there is no injured party how can there be a crime?'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'that is not required for something to be criminal'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't you think it should be?'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'correctly -- some one who drives in a highly dangerous manner should be guiltiy of an offense whether someone is injured or not surely?'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a criminal offence, no'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'breech of a regulation, maybe'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Loony Lachdanan: 'it does seem a little strange, that on one hand you're describing them as a child, and on the other punishing them as though they're an adult'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, 16yr old is old enough to die for your country, old enough to drive, should be old enough to send naked pictures of yourself'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'irrespective of whether it's a 'crime' to do so anyway (it's not)'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i've long argued for the age of majority to be set to 16 and fixed there for all things, or 18. Just whichever you choose make it uniform for all things'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'pretty actresses are permitted to appear nude in films'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lets take an alternative example, had this been a 14yr old girl, what value is there of arresting her?'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'seems as though pakistani muslims infiltrated the corrupted judicial systems where posing nudes is a "supposed crime"'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which country is persecuting the 16 year-old girl '
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'posing nude isn't a crime, forcing or coercing someone to is'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade suspects that Tigernuts is likely trolling out misrepresented news again
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're becoming a paranoid and delusional person, zade'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'must be a state law, it's certainly not illegal under federal law'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(the taking of the picture, the distribution of it, however, could be construed as illegal under 18USC2252'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should be Twitter's fault'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade THWAPS Tigernuts for being a moron.
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it is service providers fault for distributing pirated material, how can it not be Twitter's fault for distributing a naked image?'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't have it both ways'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or is zade advocating the selective enforcement of rules depending on the wealth and comparitive lobbying power of the affected party?'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade THWAPS Tigernuts for excessive trolling and faulty defective reasoning
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not defective reasoning, it's an exactly comparable situation'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'extremely wrong Tigernuts '
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'extremely wrong Zade'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the current laws feature multiple standards'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you are advocating selective enforcement'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good to see you sticking up for your corporate paymasters'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts seems to advocate harsh adulterations of the "law"'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hardly, i was advocating 16 as the age of everything, this situation would never have cropped up'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts seems to advocate malfeasance through harsh interpretations of the "law"'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''not prosecuting it because it isn't a crime' doesn't seem to me to be a harsh interpretation'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts likely advocates the pakistani muslim interpretation of the law where babies are accused of murder, blasphemy and or other crimes'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately for you, Tigernuts doesn't. He doesn't know a lot about sharia law, but what he has seen he doesn't like'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Tigernuts isn't a fan of authoritarianism'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and yet Tigernuts advocates blanket harsh authoritanarism by the harsh application of the law with a "blanket brush"'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which?'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'feigning clueless, tsk'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more likely you're making no sense'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts is feigning an obtuse cluelessness to the implications of the crap Tigernuts is trolling '
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is not right for service providers to be prosecuted for the actions of the people using them, therefore it wouldn't be appropriate for Twitter to be prosecuted for someone using it to transmit objectionable material, however it is more objectionable for a regime to prosecute one service provider for copyright material it's users are transmitting while not prosecuting a different service provider for transmitting objectionable material'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you still don't understand my position after that, then you're dumber than a box of rocks'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the Tigernuts dislike of copyright persecutions prompts Tigernuts to advocate the persecution of 16 year olds -- that is depraved'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an incorrect application of logic'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernus dislikes something, so Tigernuts attempts to strike out wickedly against minors'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perpetuating your mistake won't help yuo'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also look up and listen to the sketch "A lesson in logic" by Monty Python to understand the mistake you made'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an arbitrary (almost as a pick a random ballpark number) "16 as the age of everything"  is authoritarian when the law is harsh'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh quickly, change the subject!'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'same topic different nuance of the depravity trolled out by Tifernuts'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a depravity, it's a pragmatic improvement on the current flawed situation'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you want to argue that the age of majority should not be 16 and not be applied across all the different things for which are currently age-restricted on adulthood, then make the case'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'next you be praising the Third Reich for "a pragmatic improvement on the current flawed situation" (of pre WWII)'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next you'll be picking holes in spelling or grammar, sounds like you either lost the argument or never had anything to say in the first place'
T3/r7/2014-02-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the Tigernuts depravity seems to advocate:  "16 less a day soft laws, 16 plus a day harsh law" -- reeks of harsh depraved "authoriterrorism"'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Obama is randomly failing to enforce his own laws again, according to the news'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'laws are made to be broken.'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in breach of his terms of office once more'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'yup no laws no criminals'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"Once again, the president is giving a break to corporations while individuals and families are still stuck under the mandates of his health care law. And, once again, the president is rewriting law on a whim. If the administration doesnt believe employers can manage the burden of the law, how can struggling families be expected to? This continued manipulation by the president breeds confusion and erodes Americans confidence in him and his health care law.  We need fairness for all, with relief from ObamaCare for every American."'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Should use the food stamp money to buy seeds and start a garden.....'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like the UK, many US citizens can't afford a garden'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and may cities ban them'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'anyone can afford a garden.....cities let people use abandoned lands to garden.'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but often won't allow them in their front yards'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the avg garderner can grow upwards of $5000 of vegetables in a 32 sq foot plot per year.'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but then, in your state the police come and arrest men dressed in banana suits with unloaded rifles standing outside a newly opened gun store advertising witha big sign'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not here they can't'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '32 sq foot < 32 foot sq'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I enjoyed shooting my .22 yesterday......wasted about 500 rounds.....6 cents per round.'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that'd have you arrested here'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks IRA'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which means thanks bloody yanks'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'serves you right'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you lot hadn't been funding terrorists throughout the 1970s and 1980s, the wouldn't have banned guns'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you shouldn't fuck with violent alcoholic nations'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'There are wild deer all over the place around here....they walk around my 1 acre cabin fence all the time.'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'now you're funding islamic terrorists, something tells me you didn't learn your lesson after 9/11'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'screw alcohal stick with weed'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the wild deer would love to spend time with the does on the ranch though....the ranch deer and the wild deer meet all the time and talk.'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'weed's boring'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'used to smoke daily for years, quit a few years ago'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks, Obama'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'for beer?'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'alcohol is more fun....you can degrease an engine with it, or blow up trees mixed with some fertilizer and diesel.'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i do like beer, yes'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'ruines too many lives not just the drinkers'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir shrugs helplessly.
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm a high-functioning alcoholic'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'right up till u smoke that buss full of kids'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'we blow up stumps all the time around here with diesel and fertilizer......homeland security can bite me.'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'how does one smoke a bus full of kids?'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: '??? i thought it explaned itself. But for the sakes, U never know what a drunks going to do '
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't drive schoolbuses'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'no but ur car can smoke it'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't even have a drivers license'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'thank god for that :P'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and even if i did have a car, why the fuck would i be driving one drunk?'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: '??? i thought it explaned itself. But for the sakes, U never know what a drunks going to do '
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'shit, it's cheaper for me to take a taxi every day than own and maintain a car'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'ya well alot of other drunks have a drivers licence'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'so?'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'watch the news u see another drunk killing somone eveyday'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'hot many weed killings?'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'and stoned drivers don't?'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'not that i've seen '
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'not if ut talking other drugs then yes'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'don't recall seeing any upper related deaths this year but alot of downers deaths '
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'bleh, i always hated these self-righteous stoners'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'even when i was a stoner myself'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'spoken like a true drinker'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i'm quite sure i was smoking before you were potty trained'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'beer fits me better these days. so what?'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'point?'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'just sayin drinking is much worse the weed'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'you're the kind of idiot that makes pot smokers look bad. talking shit about other recreational drugs'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it really depends. some people can't handle pot, some can't handle alcohol. some can't handle anything'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'true'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'but either way look at it any way u want drinking is still in a league of its own'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'moderate alcohol consumption is in no worse than excess smoking'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'lol '
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the rain this winter has been incredible....'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'I wish still snowing here'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'but i guess you're the kind of moron who thinks that pot is the best thing ever and only has positive effects'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'u must be one misirble old baster eh'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'our land here in SE Texas is one big mud pit...been like that for 2 months now.'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'maybe. just speaking from experience'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'u should try talking to people without instulting them U shoul've learned that lesson by now'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, you started with the assumption that i'm a drunk driver'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'that's pretty fucking stupid'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'are you ?'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'he don't drive but speaks for all the drunks apperanly'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I knew a drunk driver once.....he finally died in a crash.'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think the last time i drove a car was 15 years ago'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i don't speak for anyone but myself, but you seem to be a judgmental self-righteous shit who thinks smoking pot makes you better than other drug users '
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'are snowbanks out in front of my house are at least 14 feet tall, the one in the side parkinglot that gets pushed up by the town, has to be at least 28 feet'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'didn't say that just said drinking ruines everybodys life'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'wonder how u heard me say that'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'U drinking right now?'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'no, why?'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'cause u making shit up now'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i guess your reading comprehension is as bad as your spelling'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'well if u put words in my mouth, it's called making shit up'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'just read over the converstaion mabby u missed something or just didn't understand?'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'well, you said i was going to kill a bus full of kids'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'no u parsay well hell maybe I don't know but thats metaphorcal if u read it'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'it's not my spelling it's my fingers get ahead of me :P'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'i think you need to lay off weed for a while. you don't make sense and can't spell for shit'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'lol i knew that was comming '
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'ok I will u go have another one'
T3/r7/2014-02-10.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Justified is such a good show.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'man, I always miss the great deals!   Woodstock, IL--for about two hours, gas was mistakenly set to $0.011 per gallon.  A 12-gallon tank would've only cost 13 cents.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i feel sorry for the station owner'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I suspect it wasn't really a bug in the system.  Figuring it was a quality-of-employee kind of problem (ie, typo).'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'since that is below both the federal and illinois state minimum pricing for gas he could be facing serious jail time in addition to fines and having to pay the gas company for the gas at full retail price'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'gas price manipulation is a felony iirc'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: '"manipulation" implies intent'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Shirley Temple is dead, Charlotte Church is alive'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'true there could be mens rea issues'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'No word of the condition of Julie-Ann Mosque or Debien Synagogue'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'who is charlotte church tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Welsh singer'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is a gas station here in fl that has a pup price of like 6$ ... and you can go down the street and get for 3.40'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'there is a issue with selling below cost in order to drive out competition, but yea think gass stations can charge whatver they like for gas '
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i filled up with diesel on my way home tonight not more than 30 minutes ago, $8.40 a gallon'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glaive: 'ouch'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there are definitely laws against pricing below certain levels (not to mention the tax issue)'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'why would you pay that for diesel in the US'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not in the US'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the UK where the socialists are strong'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea emm has to do with unfair competition'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glaive: 'its bad enough at 4.oo here'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we get roughly the same wages, but with double the cost of living'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'sometimes its a form of dumping ... but you can sell below cost in order to for example clear out inventory in order to make way for next year items'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, and higher taxes'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glaive: 'but you have socialized medicine!  thats supposed to make you feel all warm and fuzzy when you pay those taxes...'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'in the town I grew up in, all the gas stations in town charged 10-15 cents more per gallon than the ones right outside of town'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'would be very hard to manipulate gas prices without some form of collusion'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'happens here, big supermarket chains price for the area'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'not really standard oil did it back in the day'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '3 different chains in my town charge 1 price, 15 miles down the road, the same chains have a different price'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in this town circle k could do it since only 2 stations in the town aren't circle k'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Harperon: 'it's illegal if you can prove collusion occured, but that's not easy.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I remmber hanging out in a gas station in my home town and listening to the clerk call all the other stations in town to check prices'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'at the time I didn't think anything of it, but now I know they were breaking the law.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'if they're the same chains and the prices are at all close, it's probably just a difference in taxes.  Across the greater STL area, gas prices can vary by as much as 20 cents or so.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'yea well standard oil is no longer around ...'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and there are much more market players now'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're part of BP'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'hence opec collusion'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but there are still laws on the books about setting prices below costs'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'our taxes are uniform across the country, so they can't use that excuse here'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you have uniform sales taxes too tigernuts?'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'your local municipalities aren't allowed to set their own taxes?'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you reckon the attack on the california power station was all about?'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'ecoterrorism, I guess.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'without anyone owning up? doubt it'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'what attack are you referring to, though?'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-grid-attack-20140211,0,7627269.story#axzz2t20h4AYf'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'ps exxon mobil had international rights to the standard oil name. US rights are devided between exxon bp and cheveron'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given they didnt make a big deal about it, the feds claim it's not terrorism, i'm thinking probably disgruntled internal corporate politics/vandalism'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe, but it's probably not too hard to get a terror cell planted legitimately planted in an entity in order to do recon on the facilities.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not terrorism because it didn't have an aim for which causing terror was the vehicle'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'hell, if you already know your people are clean, I bet you could even manage to swing a profiling/discrimination case if you ran into hiring difficulties.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're already giving our farm bill money to terrorists, why not our lawyer money too?'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Elchanan: 'and ps standard oil was also broken in 34 companies when they originally broke it up'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'farm bill? pentagon funds terrorists directly'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime, your national guard trains to shoot your own people'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://mediatrackers.org/ohio/2014/02/10/ohio-national-guard-training-envisions-right-wing-terrorism'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes, farm bill.  The Muslim Brotherhood (note that we've labeled them a terrorist organization) bought something like 100 acres of agriculture-zoned land and were awarded monies under an agriculture-research program included in the farm bill (this latest one was merely renewing the programs).'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't the muslim brotherhood the terrorist group that obama's half brother has ties to?'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's the terrorist organization that I believe currently controls Egypt.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, they got booted out of egypt by the military'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obama needs to go all Kim Jong Un on his half-brother.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'The thing is, hans, no one can afford to take on the refugees that a war with NK would produce.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china can, china's the most likely to invade NK'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'wait, Obama's half-brother fled to NK?'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'why should they?'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a toss up as to whether they go NK first or try to retake the south china islands back off the philipinos'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'no-one has a good reason to invade NK'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'China has a damned good reason to invade NK'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'China would invade NK just to make sure the US couldn't set up operations there.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Seltsimees Dagnir buries his face in his hand and sighs, shaking his head.
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NK is the excuse America has to have troops stationed in South KOrea'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and you don't think a china controlled NK would be as good of a reason?'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'The US is NOT going to invade a country China has firm control over.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they couldn't lie about it anymore at that point'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'NK hasn't been a military threat to US or SK since the fall of the USSR'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'invade no, be scared witless about and keep troops in the area absolutely'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'besides NK is too good of a foil for china to get rid of it'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'everytime NK does something stupid and china has to go talk to them it makes china look more like a world leader'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if china takes back their islands, USA will look like arses because of the defence agreement with Phillipines'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'right now, both sides are dealing with NK by proxy and are largely content to stay that way.  If NK went really crazy and gave the US a good enough reason to send troops into NK, China is likely to pre-empt that effort JUST to prevent the US from gaining a foothold there.  Basically, North Korea is China's Cuba.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'assuming that it doesn't provoke WWIII TN'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it won't'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'you know that for certain?'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's extremely unlikely'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'a lot of MURICANS have some pretty extreme ideas concerning the phillipines.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt most muricans know where it is'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'given how many of them or their relatives served there at one point or another'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'muricans know that they have hot chicks there.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well this isn't phillipines it's a few almost uninhabited islands that phillipines nicked in the 1970s'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and do you think that distinction will be cognizant to the rednecks in murica?'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they took em, which involves wiping out about 60 phillipine troops on the one base there, the americans will probably whinge and posture and go to the UN'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rednecks don't want war'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'WW3 won't be triggered via web of treaties and agreements.  It's going to be some nation acting unilaterally, and said nation will either have to be already strong enough militarily that world leaders have to think twice about engaging or have one doozy of a bargaining chip that makes the easy win rather troublesome.'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'well, not with other countries'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'just with their own'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'tends to be the corporate backed goons that want war, like John MCCain and that other idiot from S Carolina'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given how the rednecks were lied to over 2 iraq wars and afghanistan and how shittily they've been treated since, it's unlikely you'll get grassroots support for any war short of someone directly attacking US territory'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'popular support, that is'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see Syria for details'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i think the two things are entirely different'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your rednecks can't hold a candle to UK chavs for stupid'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and ours didn't want to get involved in Syria'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'im quite sure if china invaded say japan, there would be huge popular support for a war'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be grudging support'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just drop nukes'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or if russia invaded europe'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia won't be invading Europe any time soon'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but if they do, they're welcome to it'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'would be interesting to see how a world war would play out in terms of space combat'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or at least a superpower war between US and CHina'
T3/r7/2014-02-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can be screwed over in my own country equally well by an invading Russian or Chinese system as I can my native government, at least the invaders to be aren't pretending to be good guys'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bobolai: 'politics and stuff!'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Democrat ex-new orleans mayor Ray Nagin convicted of 20 accounts of taking bribes while in office'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the only news there is that he actually got convicted'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news is always so bad these days that nothing really stands out'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'was that a sting operation by republicans offering the bribes'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know, zade, you'd have to go research it'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '5 high profile investment bankers have committed suicide in the last 2 weeks'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts cheers and sings... he is just BURSTING with joy!
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'which country, and which bank(s)'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest one was JP Morkgan, New York. Previous ones were JP Morgan London, Russel Investments (location not mentioned) , DeutcheBank, London, ATS, Colorado, ReAG London'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '5 is a lot, suggests they were assisted - maybe 5 homicides'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, there's sufficient investment bankers to make this statistically normal'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bankers with a conscience is ... normal?'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lack of conscience doesn't exempt them from stress'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime i'm having to wade through paperwork to stop our lovely national health service passing on my medical records to profit making companies and the police'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those were 1 plus 5 locations, or 6 locations'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aqualad: 'Do people who admonish others for improper use of specific channels with an improper use of said specific channel realize the irony of their actions? '
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Glaive: 'I LOVE LAMP!'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'a notice to bring the channel back on topic isn't offtopic for any channel'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aqualad: 'Is that in the Bible?'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yes'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'so let it be written, so let it be done'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aqualad: 'awesomesuace...'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'and if they wrote crap ...'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aqualad: 'thank you, oh wise and mighty king of crap...'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'news alert! man dies in UK storms!'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'British news (BBC) is fantastic at not reporting important news outside of the UK'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'BBC's coverage of the Nuland Ukrainian ambassador scandal carefully neglected to mention that the US had been supplying upwards of $5m in an effort to get one of the opposition parties elected'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'What, the US interfere in another country? Impossible!'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people don't usually get to hear about stuff like that til 20 years later, then magically ignore it'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'such as their involvement in deposing a democratically elected government in Iran'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their involvement in defeating nationalist leaders in the CHinese war in favour of the communists'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so on'
T3/r7/2014-02-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this short sketch pretty much should sum up how Americans should see the situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY'
T3/r7/2014-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'can I report the president for spamming my email?'
T3/r7/2014-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '.. you ungrateful wretch ..'
T3/r7/2014-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Illionois customers who are customers of Commonwealth Edison are being ripped off of  $21 a month if they refuse to have spymeters installed on their property'
T3/r7/2014-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK parliament made it a criminal offence to smoke in a car with a child in it'
T3/r7/2014-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Aqualad: 'good'
T3/r7/2014-02-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i agree that smoking in a car with a child is bad, but it was totally unnecessary law'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the most overused and shitty joke from celebrity comedians is the "im a celebrity" joke variations.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'need to propose a law that says its ok to foam a person who makes jokes of these types.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'NO!!!!'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Hi. i'm Zade. i'm a celebrity."  (applause) '
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) GhostLeader: 'WE HAVE ENOUGH LAWS AS IT IS, WE DONT NEED ANY MORE SAYIN WHETHER OR NO WE CAN TELL A JOKE!!!!!'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal foam zade
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'what is "foam" as a verb?'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'loud music murder trial verdicts in: one mistrial on a murder charge, three guilty verdicts for attempted murder, and one of shooting dangerous missles into a vehicle.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade the grammar-nazi yells "foams"
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'to foam. foaming. foamed. fomt'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'fompt is better'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Eruanna: 'hi zade!!!'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so. when will you retaliate against trojans in your computer. 1.the 1st suspicious hdd crackle in the middle of idle time 2. the suspicious naked lady animation in the left bottom corner of the screen 3. when waking up in jail, beaten up to death's door, accused in hosting a child porn site?'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you sorted it out, then :-)'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'im in the naked lady stage.. a lot of suspicious crackles have been going on for a year.. still don't care:)'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not just autoupdates on everything?'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you could probably use something like wireshark to see what's talking home'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i have win7. i honestly.. crap. i have no clue what it does anymore. its crazy'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'googling'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they want to look at your computer, they're going to look at it, modern pc stuff is so compromised that it doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'was anyone watching the loud music murder trial who can explain to me why it may not be murder?'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'loud music trial?'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'in florida a man got into an argument with some teenagers over loud music and shot and killed one of them.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why'd he do that?'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'loud music makes people do bad things'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, tis murder, right?'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'he said he felt threatend, but there didn't seem to be any evidence of it.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'couldn't shot an arm/leg, didn't need to kill the guy'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'he wasn't convicted of killing the teen, but he was convicted of shooting into the fleeing vehicle. He may get 75 years.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'is there any math involved in law stuff? i dont mean the tresholds or in-time'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'math involved?'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'like - if a person shoots aimlessly around. will there be a calculation about how careless he was exactly?'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is carelessness a factor?'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'most certainly it should be'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'well he was charged with attempted second degree murder (and convicted) if he was shooting at something else in a poplulated area that would be reckless endangerment which isn't as bad.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'they usually take just how careless you were into account.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so. if you shoot around just for fun. not trying to hit anybody. why is it like 10000000xtimes more bad if you hit someone? the act is the same'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nothing wrong with target shooting'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'if you are shooting at a vehicle you know has people in it that is very very bad even if you don't hit anyone,  if you are shooting a paint cans and you don't carefully check your backdrop its not as bad (manslaughter if you kill someone I would think, reckless endangerment if you don't)'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well yes, as a shooter you have a duty of care'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'whats the usual difference in years in usa - shooting a van full of people with not hitting anyone and shooting and killing someone in it?'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'asking because the evildoing is exactly 100% same'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'shooting without hitting someone could be either attempted murder or assault with a deadly weapon, they carry lighter sentences.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'don't really know, for the three people he didn't hit he will get 20-30 years each and 15 years for shooting into the vehicle.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'probably 7 to 15 as opposed to 25 to life.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'reckless endangerment wouldn't have been as bad, but that doesn't apply because he knew people were in the van.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the raised punishment for hitting anyone is the revenge part'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'someone*'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'no, not reckless endangerment.  That would be what the paint can shooter would be charged with.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'don't really know why attempted murder isn't as bad as murder.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'because you missed :)'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'usa has death penalty because people love revenge too much'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the van shooter could also be charged with depraved indifference, that carries the same sentence as murder.'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I do have to admit I would rather be a victim of attempted murder than murder :)'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'and for that you have to thank steven seagal and arnold:p'
T3/r7/2014-02-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'absolutely :)'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ranrr: 'It seems to me that most things I would consider a hobby are mostly performed by men. Do women not have hobbies, or do I just have a narrow view on what is a hobby?'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women have hobbies'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'carefull how u say that one lol I get in touble :P'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having babies is a hobby'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'according to a study out of Northwestern University in Illinois, all gay men are 60-70% genetically heterosexual. http://news.yahoo.com/gay-dna-221200774--politics.html'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm not particularly convinced that homosexuality is genetic as such'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: '"gayness", in whatever light you feel it to be (against, pro, okay with it, etc), if we studied this stupid useless shit as much as we did cancer or aids, we'd have a cure.  its like the 21st centry social piranah (sp?). '
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'if I had to bet, I'd go with prenatal hormones as the most likely determinant'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'my opinion, who cares.  if you're gay, fine.  im straight, so you just be as fine with it.  problem i have is when they have to make it a big deal.  don't see me holding straight-pride rallies.  want to teach my kids its okay to be gay (which im fine with), then i should be able to teach yours that its okay to be straight (most gay couples wouldn't find this okay).  it's equivalent to the whole black thing - we have black history month, naacp, etc.  but if we had a white history month, holy shit you're racist.  double standards piss me off.'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Without double standards, how are you going to get rid the cultures/values/people who are actually better than the others?'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'not entirely pc, I know..'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'straight-pride and white-power should be held up as *ial pinnacles alongside gay-pride and black-power.'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'there shouldn't be a "better" standard.  hitler tried this, and regardless of race, religion, or crede, he is prodominantly considered a bad influence.'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's because he was upper management content on letting his underlings run the show.'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Today the relativist views are creating more problems, Hitler being somewhat discredited.'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thus, the hate on hitler is not for the atrocities committed in his name but because he's Big Business.'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'either do that, hans, or arrest as terrorists all gay pride'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no need for terrorism, indecent exposure and lewd behavior are enough.  Can even throw in the child-related charges to put some real impact on the levy.'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'homosexuals appear more likely to be spies than terrorists..'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh on indecent exposure and lewd behaviour, marginally dodgy laws'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why avoid taking advantage of the batshit crazy when it comes to child welfare?'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not sure i follow'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'at the the very least, we can mold the movement back to some semblance of normal.'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'batshit crazy... like that :)'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when it comes to kids, lots of folk are willing to place a gun to your head and make you feed yourself feetfirst to a woodchipper if they even think you were doing something inappropriate.'
T3/r7/2014-02-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why bother, has the movement and relevence or value to real life?'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, how long is it since Chavez died? And already people have had enough and are about to tear the place a new arsehole?'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'socialism ftw!'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Everything is fine in Venezuela, it must be - the Caracas stock exchange went up 400% last year'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'lol, nothing to do with hyperinflation.....'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and what's more worrying, that the USA is 46th in the ranking of press freedom, or that it is beaten by 13 places by the UK?'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'well, 400% measured in Bolivars, but according to official sources, inflation is quite low'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: ''official' sources?'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'The government of Venezuela says everything is under control and so on :)'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'foreign economists may estimate inflation at 250-300% per year, but those are just imperialist blood suckers out to destroy the glorious socialist republic etc.'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'noticed the UN are going after NK over human rights issues, yet are happy to turn a blind eye to US/UK/Western human rights violations elsewhere'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hypocritical bastards'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I'm more surprised that they are suddenly complaining about Kim whatever it is, Jong-un?'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're probably sowing the seeds for the justification of moving the US en-masse into the west pacific'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if China has any sense at all, it'll invade NK and topple the Kims'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'they'd take the world almost there already'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I don't think the CCP likes NK much. It's probably more like "we are both pretending to be communists, and they are madmen with nukes, so it is best to remain on good terms"'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, 1 in 4 americans don't know the earth circles the sun, though to be fair, i doubt it's much different here'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'you heathen you..where did I put that bonfire'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'from what i've heard, china fears the collapse of NK regime because it would put a huge burden on them'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why i think they'd be wise in taking them out so they can control it'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also, it's not like the rest of the world are going to stop them, provided they do it in a relatively clean and sensible way'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'and have somewhere to live'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doubt it'd take much to overthrow NK'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hmm, Chase bank is banning cash deposits unless you have a photo ID, and you now can't deposit cash into another person's account'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'coughPoliceStatecough'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'allegedly, the ban on deposits into others accounts was at the request of the State department'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'demonisation of cash has been going on for a while, and yes, it's inherantly anti-freedom'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Christians! beware of the Mark of the Beast'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'an unhelpful comparison, though it does fit rather well'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see the US is launching their national license plate database + automated number plate readers for police'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we already have it here, it's sick'
T3/r7/2014-02-17.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has legimate law/order uses, but law/order also abuse it to harass criminals, and the government also use it to target political dissent'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'in Iowa, abortion advocates are complaining about this new law that allowed more abortions.  The law states that the governor must sign off on any medicaid reimbursements for abortion procedures, but to get around the rule the clinics doing them just aren't billing the state at all.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'interesting, so who is paying the,'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'them?'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: '"abortion advocates are complaining about this new law that allowed more abortions".  Does not compute.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nobody is paying them.  They're writing off the costs to stay out of the abortion politics.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, someone has to pay them -- I mean, the cash has to come from somewhere'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's the thing, reimbursements come from the government.  If you're not telling the government that they owe you money, they aren't going to come investigate to see if perhaps you want some of this extra money they seem to have lying around.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'sure, I understand that, but there still seems to a problem -- operations are being performed and some one has to pay for this'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the hospital is paying it...essentially to themselves.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I mean, I'm not deep into the US system, but medicade is for where there isn't insurance right?'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Operations are that expensive over here...'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yes'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Here being sweden. They aren't cheap by any meaning of the word, but they aren't the ludicrus costs the americans pay.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Although, they ARE cheap for me. $15 on the table and they'll take care of me no matter if I have the sniffles or cancer.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, then I am still stuck -- I mean, the hospitals are going to run out of cash sooner or later'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'The hospitals charge insane amounts of money for medical care because the insurance companies demand rebates.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Something costs the hospital 10. They list the charge as 40. The insurance company demands a rebate down to 15 and get it.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'sure, but this is not happening in this case'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'hospitals in the U.S. charge like that all the time.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you have to be approved for the procedure, but that's different at time-of-service versus when-the-bill's-due.  For the latter, the rule in place says that hospitals may send a bill to the government (in Iowa, this means the governor) and he decides to pay (the hospital gets it's money back) or not pay (the hospital loses money).  The whole surprise is that Iowa hospitals are preferring to simply bypass government entirely and simply not ask for a refund.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Which is how a bag of saline, plus administering it, which has a cost of something like 2 dollars + 3 or 4 minutes of work for a nurse, can be charged 1500 dollars if you don't have insurance.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you forgot room and board.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yes, that is surprising -- I mean, the US medical system is not renowed for it's generosity'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'when the economics doesn't work at all like this, it makes me wonder whether it's true  -- why don't the hospitals just stop'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'if they would limit the spread between what they can charge insurance companies versus individuals we would see real prices hospital bills.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'apparently there are differences that could pit state (medicaid) versus federal (medicare), so that's another consideration for them.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'ah, okay, this is interesting -- I never knew the difference betwen medicaid and medicare'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'there is a difference in how they are administered, but Medicare is for people over 65, and medicaid is for poor people.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'all sounds quite complicated to me -- perhaps you should just have a National Health Service like we do -- that seems to work reasonably well'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'perhaps, but it won't happen here soon.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ours works like shit, don't have a national health service'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you get yourselves a national health service in the USA, you'll regret it forever'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it's outright hilarious how the political climate works between America and Britain.  Textbook "the grass is greener" scenario, with the Brits wanting to become like America and Americans wanting to become like the Brits.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't get me wrong, i wouldn't want the american health system either, unless i had decent insurance as part of a job'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately nobody seems to learn anything from each other'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'both sides are screaming how their side isn't working, and each are utterly amazed that they want to move to a system that obviously doesn't work.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ps, obamacare must have been dreamt up by insurance companies and voted on by retards'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'obamacare?  Legislation in general.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the phrase "what the hell were you THINKING" comes to mind'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'It was a Republican idea :)'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'retardation is fairly indicative once you have to make a noise ordinance on goldfish.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'It didn't do a whole lot for the danger of runaway health care costs.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all it did was fuck up people who already had insurance, Malkar and make them pay more'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Obamacare was never supposed to save us money.  A comfortable public is a liberated public, and a liberated public gets active and involved.  That's not "best for business" where politicians are concerned.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you would have been better off having regulation that helped make insurance comparable then had a government insurance plan subsidised by a tax on health insurance'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'competitive and mobile, yes.  Republicans were asking for that since Obamacare was first announced on Congress's floor.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'remember, ACA was a bill that Democrats really didn't want you to read.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'first flaw of it is it's mandatory'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that mandatory part was inspired by car insurance.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fuck car insurance'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'no danger of anyone actually readings legislation.  the Republicans certainly didn't read i, they just harped on "death panels", the media didn't read it, or at least if they didn't they didn't want to tell us what was in it.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't exactly a lightweight bill, from what i understand'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about passing a law that insists all legislation is about one subject only and cannot have riders'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was close to 2000 pages, and if I recall they wanted to put it up for vote 2 days after it was brought up,.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the speaker of the house even made it a point to explain that it could be read and debated after the vote.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's him needing impeaching to start with, then'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'pennsylvania has that, and when the legislature violates it the state supreme court shrugs its shoulders and says "if you don't like it vote them out."'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'her.  It was Nancy Pelosi at the time.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, that witch'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'speaking of which, Obamacare raises your rates based on age.  As you age, your healthcare will cost more.  But at least they can't charge you more than the next guy.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it sucks :-)'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it doesn't suck quite as badly as the latest victim of cop shooting'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some companies in America are offering unlimited paid time off.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor the gun rally in NC where the ralliers are being strongly discouraged from carrying guns'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'oho, Obamamania's looking to extend the ACA risk corridors program.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, the huge UK sell-off-your-medical-records-for-profit-for-the-greater-good got delayed today by 6 months'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meantime, a new proxy war develops in Ukraine'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'let Russian jackboots feel the sting of their caltrops.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm all for revolution, just wish US would keep their beaks out'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'interference just undermines the legitimacy of the movement'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'A department of energy official told members of the house energy and commerce committee that Obama's unilateral actions via the EPA regarding coal power will cause consumer electric prices to rise by 80%'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm fairly sure that's an average.  Rural areas are far more dependant on coal-powered powerstations than urban ones, a reason cited for why all-eletric cars will cause more air pollution.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even a Prius will barely break even compared to a decent diesel car over a lifetime in terms of pollution'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'electric cars are a boondoggle'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'why do you say that, Tiger?  Electric cars themselves don't emit any pollution at all, and urban zones are migrating to cleaner sources for their powerstations.  With proximity dictating frequency of charge, this means we can have more electric cars in urban zones with little/no change in pollution rates.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that just moves the pollution about - electric cars are more polluting to manufacture because of the batteries'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you still need to generate the electric'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't get me wrong, electric cars have application in cities where distances are short and local pollution is an issue, but they can never replace regular cars in more rural spots, or over long distances, and I certainly disagree most strongly with government policy that seeks to penalise regular car drivers and/or reward electric car drivers'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, to make Charlotte's Web, just cook your marijuana in butter.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a particular strain'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my diesel car emits CO, CO2, Water vapour, and trace amounts of NOx and SO2, so it's cleaner than most environmentalist nut's cakehole, so they can fuck off'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, I know.  Specifically designed to not get you high, and alleged as an all-but-cure for pediatric epilepsy.  Familes with this problem children are rushing to Colorado, and being preyed on by bogus dealers (one was quoted as saying you could make it by cooking in butter).'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the active chemicals in pot are fat soluable, so yes, cooking it in butter is how you make pot brownies etc'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it will get you very high, as many newbs have found to their cost in Colorado and ended up in hospital'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so put the "cure" into a properly-calibrated-measured inexpensive generic pill or liquid form'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they already do, but there's no big market in generics'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'and keep them in the medicine cabinet.  The kids will never find them there.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the locked gun cabinet is an alternative location'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your country is trying to do away with guns, so that won't help. WHy not just keep it in the medicine cabinet or a locked draw? Why does it need such a hig level of security?'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(disregard the bad advice from Hanslanda)'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'honestly, if epilepsy and whatever else pot supposedly cures/treats is such a scourge and pot isn't, why not just dose everyone with a mandatory food additive?  Hell, charge extra for those fools who want their food to be extra-pure and organic.  They're eventually going to cost more money to care for anyways...'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the gun cabinets may be recycled-in-use to prevent (say) Tigernuts from obtaining marijuana illigally'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(illegally)'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mass medication is bad, hanslanda, and besides, it's not a cure-all, and plenty of people are allergic'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those that are allergic, tough luck'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they can do the studies later'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but i am able to eat peanuts -- if you are allergic to peanuts, die! (or avoid the peanuts)'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'like they did on fluoide?'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fluoride, even'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is not allergic to flouride
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everyone is allergic to fluoride'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is not allergic to fluoride
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in sufficient quantities'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts lies!'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doctors and scientists disagree with you, Zade, fluoride in water is one of several toxins that are lowering kids IQs and causing developmental issues'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'go read the papers'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'while HF and F2 are deadly poisons when inhaled, the miniscule quantities in slightly fluoridated water are not dangerous'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't kill you, but they will lower your IQ among other things'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'scientists are also calling for like a 300% tax burden to deal with climate change, so I'm not too particularly concerned on what scientists say.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fluoridation and bromidation of the water was first tested on prisoners of war by the Germans and Russians in WW22'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we haven't had WW3 yet...'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but wait .. i drink well-water - no official fluoride -- but lots of hard water impurities -- but there are the triple filters, and the water is usually boiled'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll probably live, Zade'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you test for methane?'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'regular bromide longterm is extremely bad '
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Thank god I was fluoridated all my life, it would suck to be any smarter'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'smart people seem to think that giving pot to kids is a good thing.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'which smart people is that?'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the bromine or bromide, when ingested, is converted to bromate, which may cause mental difficulties when taken longterm -- this was known since early last century'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'probably the ones who figured out that some pot chemicals trigger seizures and some don't.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'trigger seizures?'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'THC can trigger seizures, yes.  CBD (another chemical found in pot) is believed (albeit untested at the moment) to have seizure-preventing properties.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'hadn't heard of the first part'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'chlorides are safe, and reasonable amounts of (nonradioactive) iodine'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just think, the water is already a wash with oestrogen, now they want to flood it with statins too'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Provide some evidence Hanslanda, I find nothing but anti-seizure evidence'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'One article by a reputable source linking THC to elevated seizure rates Hanslanda?'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'early 21st century marijuana is different to the marijuana of the mid 20th century  - the chemical percentages are different'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Bah! This channel should be renamed the "Opinion" channel'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'drug dealers cultivated for the "high" and the resulting product causes paranoia and other mental difficulties -- the mid 20th century marijuana contained a proper balance of chemicals which prevented the paranoia'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'still looking, all I'm finding on either side of the subject is anectodal stuff from both users/non-doctors and doctors.  They all explain their situations and talk about what's happening, but no links or references to anything.'
T3/r7/2014-02-18.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"so which marijuana are you using, modern or old.  Are you feeling lucky today, punk!" '
T3/r7/2014-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh deary me, obama's lot are at it again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gXKwQI_0kDI'
T3/r7/2014-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ooh, new studies suggest Paxi may promote breast cancer'
T3/r7/2014-02-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aren't mass murder/suicide pills just lovely!'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'should Path of the Believer be renamed to Path of th?e Belieber'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'ukraine business. most depressing. there are videos about people getting killed. and its 2014.. still animals'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'civilization is three meals thick, I heard'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'good one'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ukraine, complicated'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look out, the FCC wants to start interfering in broadcast media newsrooms'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'they dont already?'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'apparently not'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'hmm '
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'like late night talkshows?'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, but they plan "asking news managers about their choices of what to cover"'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'Oh I thought that has already been in effect for years'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nah, fairness doctrine ended in 1987'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you enjoy the hypocrisy in the the EU and USA's stance towards Ukraine?'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if there were protests of that magnitude on the streets of the USA, the national guard would be out and they would be killing dozens'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ditto UK'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'no dout they signed off on that deal a few years ago now'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when foreign powers try to undermine US politics with hundreds of millions of dollars, it's very illegal unless it's corporations doing it'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'butit's OK for USA to do it to Ukraine'
T3/r7/2014-02-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't have the answer to the Ukraine problem but one thing is for sure - the west is inflaming it even if turns out we didn't cause it'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this ain't good, man barred from voting because of his t-shirt: http://tinyurl.com/pqdgl25'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'electionering is against the law'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it wasn't an election-related t-shirt'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'it was a second amendment t-shirt that would be an "issue"'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so i guess wearing one with an american flag on it would also be an issue'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'though they probably should have just made him turn it inside out'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'that is debatable i guess'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they would have been better off enforcing the law as written, not in the twisted way they wanted to interpret it'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: '"Theres a proposition on the GOP ballot, asking voters whether the state should support second amendment liberties by expanding locations where CHL holders may legally carry their weapons.  Therefore, wearing that t-shirt is considered electioneering, which is prohibited within 100 feet of the polling place."'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'electioneering also applies to measures, not just candidates'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's on the ballot in Texas?'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'yep'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then i stand corrected'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so they should have had him elected?'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'arrested even'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sorry im sick today not up to my usual form'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's still a bit of a stretch, but at least arguable now'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I would imagine it would be an unusual election anywhere in the US that none of the candidates had mentioned second amendment related concerns during the election'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly if he weren't out to make a point/make a fuss he would have turned the damn shirt inside out and voted.'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't believe they have such petty laws in the UK, but just in case maybe i'll wear my chez guevara tshirt to the next vote'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'personally I think we don't do enough to stop the electioneering at election places in this country'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm sure the law is there to stop people overtly advertising for their candidate/measure'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not to prevent people wearing generic, vaguely political t-shirt'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'like a huge number of election places are in churches which is just fundementally screwed up'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's wrong with elections in churches? they do that here too, handy scattered, large public buildings'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'except the vast majority of churches support particular candidates around here'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'and have signs up that you have to drive past to get into the parking lot'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so to get to your election place you are driving past tons and tons of signs for particular candidates'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'there was one church here locally that had setup a veritable gauntlet of signs condeming one presidential candidate in 2012 and to get to the parking area to vote there you had to basically drive through a maze of the things'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course they all stopped at exactly 100 meters from the front door of the church'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'frankly that's likely to piss me off and make me vote for the one they're condemning due to such a blatant attempt to sway my vote :p'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with all the corporate money in politics and the party system ensuring we all get screwed whoever gets in, i really can't work up much of a issue with signage or venue'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this was quite fun, even for GB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NsQoz-vnKhc'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK: Right wing think tank petitions to allow magistrates to sit in police station and dispense on-the-spot justice'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Think: Judge Dredd'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, the police can already do that to some extent'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they can impose fines for certain things, that's about it'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then again, in the UK we already long ago lost the right to a trial by judge and a jury of our peers'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'yep that's true'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we're a "nice quiet" police state'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'well, I think these things are relative'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and wholly unacceptable'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'should California be split into 6 states?'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '6? why 6 and not 2?'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'mostly a geographical thing.  Silicon Valley would be one state, for example.'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a bit of a stretch, and really until you reel in the federal government, what would be the point?'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they feel California as-is is far too ungovernable'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'meh, not really'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sort out the federal government, then decide'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on the other side, think UK would benefit from being split'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so you're okay with Scotland leaving?'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'UK should be divided into 10, really'
T3/r7/2014-02-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm. cheese. many people seem to like it. why is that? it doesnt taste so good at all. so weird'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Susan Rice on Ukraine: THis is not about USA vs Russia'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cough*bullshit*cough'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'Well, it's not ONLY about the USA vs. USSRussia'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'it's also very much about ethnic ukrainians vs. russian ukrainians'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'or whatever those groups prefer to call themselves'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'is it just me, or does Venezuela's Maduro look a lot like Saddam Hussein?'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Maduro is on a hiding to nothing, CHavez had the cult of personality - Maduro is a naked communist and it's all about to fall apart around his ears (albeit with the CIA giving it an occasional nudge)'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'comedy eyebrows: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HTg45g85WP0'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'when are we, rightly, going to see the SPLC banned as a hate group?'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Sages Preventing Lame Conversation'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Stupids Promoting Lame Conversation'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'where would we be without lame conversation? :)'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade would be out of a job'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tylertwo: 'singles promoting latex condoms'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Legend Jaygod slaps himself on the head and yells, "DOH!"
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given the constant race-pimping SPLC does, how is it they get away with it?'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm reasonably sure they'd be outlawed here in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, the oldest holocaust survivor, Alice Herz-Sommer has died at the age of 110'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so the vacation in the camps was healthy -- very few live to 110'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i didn't have you down as a holocaust denier, Zade, apparently (and ridiculously) that's a crime in some countries'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'bad Tigernuts, you seem to be denying she was in the camps'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course she was there, i was there with her'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'playing the fps "Castle Wolfenstein" is not the same as "being there" '
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i mourn her along with the sacrifice that our forces made to keep us free, and mourn that these days people have forgotten the sacrifices that were made in their names in todays fascist dictatorships'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"your" forces - ha! - you are not Russian'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '-j 4'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not russian'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I'm English'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Zade - Please stop making me agree with Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'he can't help it, Arnica'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are talking of "sacrifices", be careful '
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nasty god may be watching'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't fear god'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'fool'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'quite the opposite, it's foolish to fear god'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when you look at what happened to you ...'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is that god's fault?'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'i dislike liars'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you shouldn't be so hard on yourself'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): <pretitle> Scars chuckles politely.
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'God likely dislikes liars'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <pretitle> Scars: 'you speak on behalf of God?'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course he does'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): The Legend Jaygod stands around looking all haughty and snobbish.
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Belief in a god is a way of denying responsibility for ones own condition. No god deserves credit or blame for your situation, only you do. Own it.'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'If there is a god, they will appreciate you for it.'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade possibly things: why have rational beliefs if you can blame all your shit on god?'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'tsk, such disrespectful talk'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and yet not denied'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"is" , "they"'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: '"they" is the accepted appropriate usage in English for an unknown sex'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Matt 12:36 "But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment" -- Grammar-nazis ftw!'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's said in the absence of having an opinion on anything'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Who was questioning whose grammar?'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"it" is (also) the singular of "they" '
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wasn't me'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'So what, you ignorant idiot?'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's fighting talk'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <pretitle> Scars: 'imo - having belief in a god as a means to deny responsibility is missing the goddamn point and is disingenious practice of religion and blind ridicule of practitioners of religion and not the religion itself'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Being called a nazi is not?'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'whose calling who a nazi?'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <pretitle> Scars: 'green jello'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Did you not see the end of Zade's inappropriate Bible quote? Read it again: [23 Feb 17:03:32] (Debate) Zade: 'Matt 12:36 "But I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment" -- Grammar-nazis ftw!''
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while it might be convenient to deliberately misinterpret what he said and believe he was accusing someone of being an actual nazi, that would require stooping down to his level'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'It is a misuse of a word with dire meaning in light of the events that transpired under that flag'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'and to use it in the original context of the discussion was disgusting'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't subscribe to the overreaction based on language, going down that route leads to nobody every able to say anything for fear that they'll be sued or arrested for perceived discrimination. See the southern poverty law centre (otherwise knows as race baiting anonymous) for details'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade the Grammar-nazi rebuts:  you were wrong though, Arnica -- the use of "they" in that context was inappropriate, (perhaps also extremely inappropriate from the added ambiguity in retrospect) - you are not worthy to be a grammar-nazi
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'by all means feel free to be disgusted with him for being an arsehole'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Perhaps you are not worthy to bear the label "Sapient", Zade'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '(tsk, political-correctness nazis)'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps it would help to replace nazi with it's english meaning "national socialist"'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'nope'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think it would help, people so quickly forget it was a far-left party, not a far-righty'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a grammar-nazi is not necessarily a nazi'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a grammar-nazi does not connote anuthing political'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well which are you,a nazi, or a jesuit?'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a "grammar-jesuit" -- too RCC, not going to catch on as a colloquialism '
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'try tagging on a different taboo term and see if you make something stick'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Grammar-Hammer-Whammer-Bammer '
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade conjectures:  so you intolerants are likely to be prejudiced against Lenny Bruce, perhaps even George Carlin
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm both intolerant and prejudice'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'btw,  "disingenuous" not "disingenious" (although if HP Lovecraft did that typo ..)'
T3/r7/2014-02-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we don't care'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'i just read the stupidest stuff in my newspaper. Apparently because only one in ten malaysians pay taxes, the government has decided it needs to up taxes to gain more revenue.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Jopari: 'the prime minister stated that if the amount of civil servants were to increase, and salaries to remain normal, the government would be forced to borrow money. and we don't want *that* to happen now do we?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see that turncoat Piers Morgan finally got the boot'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'does this mean Jeremy Clarkson won?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it does'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'umm, who's Jeremy Clarkson?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he's one of the hosts of Top Gear'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'him and Piers Morgan have been fueding for years'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'UK version or American version?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'uk'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'he's the guy that punched Piers '
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Piers has more time to plot his next move, now that even the liberals don't want him on TV anymore.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, but he's like the common cold, you don't really beat him, he'll show up somewhere else to make people miserable'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'there's very few public figures that just piss me off, but Piers Morgan manages to do just that'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'maybe we should dare Jeremy to try again, but from a farther distance away.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'well, I guess they've been going at it on twitter, though I haven't really followed that nonsense'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Vince Vaugn does that for me.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'yeah, I've met a lot of people that don't like him, either.  I'm kind of indifferent myself'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Razkin: 'It probably makes me a bad person for being happy that Piers is off the air, even if it's momentarily, but I'm still happy about it'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'jeremy clarkson rocks'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'not as much as the dave clark five and their song about 'sha na na na. sha na na na. hey hey he..y.. good bye' '
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and looks like Crimea might be about to break away from Ukraine and join Russia'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts better get a mail order date from ukraine while they last then....'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't be silly'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if this revolution holds the country will be impoverished, price of brides will come down'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'um, they're already free.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'it's the divorces that are expensive'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then no thanks'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'women are an expense i can live without, ta'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'there's actually a pretty high rate of divorce for people that marry women they met through mail order dating type things'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course there is, they're women'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts what if ukraine stops exporting your favorite brand of fine hair shampoos?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'don't care, VD, i'm going bald anyway'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts gay men divorce each other too though, you can't just be misogynistic about divorce'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gay men are just as bad as straight women'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts in what way?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a money-and-energy-sucking partner is a money-and-energy-sucking-partner, regardless of gender or religion'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'even if they're black'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or disabled'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or jewish'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or 'fake liberal''
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts okay... so its like that unequal yoke thing in that epistle st. paul wrote while disliking heathens?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you'll have to enlighten me on that'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nah ^_^ its better to let you go to hell without reading the bible ^_^'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): 2/3 Flying VampireDude  1 Tigernuts: 0
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm a better christian without having read the bible cover to cover than most devout catholics'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'but at least catholic chicks divorce less'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i couldn't possibly comment'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'catholics are like the Obama supporters of christianity - sheep with little integrity and even less intelligence'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts so if not catholic chicks, what is your type?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'ones that lay eggs'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'well, to be fair, obama's staff did a really good job at helping me get a surgery i'd needed at the v.a. despite numerous mishandlings by the local hospital.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'whatever else you may criticize about his fiscal policies, or foreign affairs stances.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who was that, Jay Carney?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fearlis: 'Vampiredude how old are you?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'fearlis, um, why? is it blind date related?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'thanks a lot, Obama'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and you realise if him, GWB and Clinton and the others hadn't fucked up the VA over the last 30-50 years and honoured their pledges to the military, you wouldn't have had to go round the houses to get it'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts oh cmon, the v.a. was overrun with problems even before lbj took office'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'probably'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'still don't agree with Obama's mob's treatment of veterans'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'ah, well i havent met the aforementioned mob'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's because you say down and shut up'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh cmon. i doubt anyone really believes i'm the quiet type'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the interwebz is littered with stories of them being persecuted for political speech'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'oh. well. i was under the impression only people with funding get to make political speeches'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that's before you get to the briefing that veterans are the the biggest threat to homeland security'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'nah, the biggest threat is corrupt defense contractors selling our secrets to china'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: '(prc not roc china)'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, that's the biggest threat to YOU, not to them'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'no that's the biggest threat to security .'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? they own china'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'the biggest threat is the public'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, how many people live in china.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'jaygod, china has a public too...'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'numbers are meaningless in modern warfare'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Legend Jaygod: 'yeah but there not aloud to speak out'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'jaygod fair enough.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts um, no, numbers are the only counter to superior technology'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'remember how germany lost ww2 despite having better equipment?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'thats right... they didnt have enough manpower'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'germany lost ww2 because of poor tactical decisions'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and enough production.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'our inferior equipment was mass produced, and we , and allied countries, sent a lot more people than germany did'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'do you think that if china would hesitate to invade japan if we were to shrink our military presence there? what about taiwan?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'that* not that if :('
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they won't'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, then why are they posturing so much'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they can'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'and they can attack.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll try it with those South China islands/atolls that phillipines currently have but historically belong to China'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see what happens'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, lots of things historically belonged to china :)'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they'll attack North Korea far before they try Japan'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, you're wrong.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'china don't need to attack US militarily, they've already got the USA wrapped up, economically'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sorry, dude, you've already lost'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tiger, the u.s. is looking to draw down manpower at our bases that used to be of importance in the pacific. and they're negotiating interests with russia, oman, and iran. '
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we've lost, and we lost several years ago'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'good'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'it's quiet clear that there will be a shift in what currently might be described as regional hegemony.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'quite*'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts, so why do you say that china wouldn't feel emboldened enough to attack?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the USA and the west have even a modocom of sense, they'd put a lot of effort into bringing back manufacturing home and weening ourselves off economic and material dependence on China'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they don't need to, VD'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're already at war with them and you don't realise it'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts the only way to do that would be to increase the demand for local products by going into a tarrif and currency war with china'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'umm, we are already.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that would be the sledgehammer approach, though there's quite a lot of grey area in there before you get to that stage which would help slow it down'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'on many levels, Hans, nogs'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'except the one that matters'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'no, I meant on bringing manufacturing back.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the EU hasn't'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we're not the EU, though.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"the west" includes the EU :-)'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'hans, where you from?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) 2/3 Flying VampireDude: 'tigernuts i dunno, the more the eu expands into the urals the less i agree.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I'm from the US's third coast.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US's trade deficit is still apocalyptic'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, but we're cooling on the made-in-china part.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'plus, they carry so much of our debt that they probably don't want us to continue trading with them as much.  Obviously, we're not good for it.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not much of a debt held by them'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'well, not anymore.  We did scare the crap out of them, though.  Did you hear them whining the last time we threatened default?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what did you expect?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though there was never any risk of that, it was just Obama being a twat'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'defaulting on your debt would have been an impeachable offence, technically treason'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'it was the republicans who nearly forced us to default.  And they raised our taxes by letting in illegals and shoving ACA down our throats.  I bet they were even behind Watergate!'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody forced you to do anything'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you were never at risk of defaulting'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'everything else you said about the rhinos is accurate'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'heh, everything I said was a result of democrat maneuverings, not republicans.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not really, insurance companies wrote ACA'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'props to them, though, for successfully managing to get the republicans blamed.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Didn't Romney even have a hand in the prototype?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'look at their stance on immigration now - you have democrat vs democrat, there is not opposition'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'immigration - are you nuts? close the fucking border already'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(sums up my opinion on the matter)'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'out of curiosity, do you also support Mexico closing their border?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yup'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and Canada?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yep'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all immigration should be subject to a points based system decided by the country you're going to'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so how is the US going to do commerce?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'commerce does not require immigration'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'oh, so you think the US policy should be "buy my products but keep your people away, we don't like them"?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's an absurd way of putting it, but yes'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did you stop beating your wife?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and you think the US could survive isolationism.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Mexico can jail US citizens for up to 2 years if they are caught in Mexico illegally.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having an immigration policy is not isolationism'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I believe you said "close the border".'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to immigration'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'crossing the border is an act of immigration, however temporary.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unlimited immigration'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'semantics will not save your argument'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we still have the most money available to spend.  Unless we go full-on Kim Jong Sam, chances are good that the US isn't going to be fully isolated and those who close off with us will feel more of a bite than we will.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so, semantics aside (though I doubt you know what immigration and emigration means), what other countries should not have this unlimited immigration you claim?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'countries should control the flow of people into their country in just the same way they control the flow of goods'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'you'd like to believe that, Hanslanda. But the US is a cosumer-oriented economy, they import more than they export.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which is obviously "more money available to spend".'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, you assume that the dollar is worth spending.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'when has it ever not been?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'immigration restrictions and trade tariffs are there to protect your own people, and to a certain extent, protect other countries'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'in the '50s and '60s the US tourists flocked to Europe because of the purchasing power of the dollar. Do you think that is the case right now? The flow of tourism as reversed for the same reason.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nobody wants to go to America, it's a police state'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they still want our dollars'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'but they do come US, during the summer, it's a cheap place to take a vacation.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'that's not really true, Hanslanda. I hate to burst your bubble.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'vacations have nothing to do with your immigration policy'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I mean, the munchkins in the streets might think that the USD is worth having, but the real players don't come near it.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lemme rephrase, they aren't looking to replace the dollars we give them.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'right, immigration policy dictates that if you are from a bordering country which is not Canada, you should be restricted.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'they don't replace it, they come to the US to buy the bargains with it.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'immigration policy should dictate that if you're from any country not your own ou should be restricted. WIsh it applied here in the UK too, we'd be in far less of a mess than we are now'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'are you speaking as a native  american whose ancestors came to the land some 20 to 60 thousand years ago?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not american, i don't live in america, your question is irrelevent because the point made applies to any country'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'or are you speaking as a 3rd or 4th generation descendant of immigrants?'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, the point is that does who speak against immigration fail to speak about the immigration that got them or their ancestors to the US.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'legal immigrants, who were actually impacted by immigration quotas.  We didn't just swim ashore and take advantage of silly laws like the haitian landfall law.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not a comparable situation, Aphelion'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'right, you mean non-South Americans.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'as a haitian, I can illegally come to your country and once I get there I'm no longer illegal!'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'any government's prime responsibility is to the people of that country whom they represent'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'why not, Tigernuts. Do you think that the immigrants of the early to mid-twentieth century are more deserving than current immigrants? For the former immigrants they parked them in an island until they could get papers. The current policy is to put them behind barbed wire until they can ship them back. Sounds to me like there is an inconsistency there.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not relevent'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'of course not, it doesn't advance your case.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the priorities or needs of the USA 100 years ago are not the priorities now'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'ok, I accept that. Though I am a bit confused about why illegal Canadians are not found behind barbed wire.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'illegal canadians should be treated the same as illegal mexicans'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'how they should be treated doesn't confuse me, what confuses me is how they are treated.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you had a proper immigration policy backed by proper border controls, that problem would resolve itself'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and to call all immgrants from south of the border "Mexican" is racist.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only if you're retarded'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'really? There is only one country south of the border. I thank you for enlightening me.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'incorrect again'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'most immigrants from the south are mexicans. It's a generalisation. At worst you could accuse me of being inaccurate, not racist'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'it is a terrible generalization. The same generalization that traps legal immigrants in ICE raids.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and brand all Middle Eastern people as terrorists.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'racist would be: dumb down all the niggers, get them all on drugs, shooting each other in the ghetto, get them to hate all other races, break up their families and abort all their babies and generally destroy their culture'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but the american government appears to be doing a damn fine job of doing that without me'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'that's a peculiar definition of racist. By your definition, all peoples from south of the US are of the same race.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was your definition, not mine. I clearly stated immigration policy should apply to all countries uniformly'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i made no reference to race in the original conversation'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'but they don't. The US immigration policy is different depending on the country of origin.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well perhaps you'd best sort it out, then'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'US immigration is a mess, I thought we'd established that...'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'immigration policy, that is'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I am not a proponent of immigration laws.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I have a hard time rationalizing borders.'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're important'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just like having small government isn important'
T3/r7/2014-02-24.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is*'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, desperate to keep the corporate bandwagon going, the UN regime is now claiming volcanoes are causing the global warming pause'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in other news, Russia marines have been deployed around Sevastopol in Crimea, South Ukraine - primarily to defend the navy base there'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Jesse "The Body" Ventura is thinking about running for President in 2016.  If he does, will this be the first time an independant takes the office? :P'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Jesse "The Body" Ventura  sounds like a crap corrupt stagename -- and former-actors as politicians are incompetent and or work for sinister groups and or not to be trusted:  examples include Ronald Reagan, Sony Bono, Arnold Schwarzeneggar, and likely numerous others'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'at least Schwarzenegger made some serious attempts to rein inexcessive spending in Ca., but he was always blocked by D majority'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: '"the body" was his stagename...he was primarily a wrestler, not an actor'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Schwarzenggar commited miscegenative adultery '
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'wrestlers are actors'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'Schwarzeneggar is the only one who can properly pronounce the austrian accent.  the other 8.4 million are wrong.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'skilful actors'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'jealous or envious, Cytan'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'venture seemed semi-normal when he was governor, but after he left office he seemed to turn whackjob'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'ventura*'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'sympathetic actually.  would you want to be led by the persona of a man who banged this chick? http://ryanseacrest.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/arnolds-mistress-600-400-05-18-11-6.jpg'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Ventura was always a whackjob, he just branched out into different flavors of it at different times.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'and had offspring you held from your wife for 8 yeras?  i think not. i feel sorry for the austrians.  after franz ferdinand, haven't they been through enough?'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'debate over?  i win!'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Austrians are doing okay -- they are able to boast that Adolf was Austrian!'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'dammit zade'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'yes.  but their loss still resulted in the term 'world war''
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'never heard of franz ferdinand, except maybe obscurely'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I have'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'they are a good band'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Cytan smirks at Vost's saying.
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'WWII was started by the English'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'was the president of austria when his assassination sparked ww1'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'sorry, archduke of austria'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'and a great band *grin vost*'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'though the serbians triggered the events leading to WWI, WWI was started '
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Vost snickers with Cytan about their shared secret.
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'though the serbians triggered the events leading to WWI, WWI was started by'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'likely the English '
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'yes... by killing archduke franz ferdinand.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'its like someone is repeating what im saying.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'did the English fund the serbians'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'nope, WW1 was started because of an unintended consequence.  So many pacts and agreements were made between so many entities that when the fighting started everybody panicked.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda attempts to do an obfuscation coverup of what may've happened'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'some countries didn't actually know who they were supposed to kill or save, so they just started picking randomly.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'reference?'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'which part?'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'you only made one statement so... that one.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Hanslanda attempts to enact a Chicken Little "the sky is falling" distraction coverup'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: '<--- ftw.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Who killed Cock Robin"  "Who started WWI"  "The sky is falling!"  "They panicked!"  -- lots of obsfuscation '
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'should take on obamas predecessor at this point'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'I actually made two statements, Cytan.  The first one can be found in any school textbook.  Imperialism lead to nervous governments making deals with other governments to either avoid aggression or to jump in as an ally.  With the amount of dealing going on, coupled with the naked land grabs, it was a wonder WW1 didn't start many years earlier.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that textbook was likely written by the English, and they are going to obfuscate and not confess to their dastardly guilt  (but Judgement Day is coming)'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'those history textbooks were likely commissioned by those that are guilty of the crimes, and they are going to obfuscate and not confess to their dastardly guilt.  The victors of wars and conflicts prefer there be some lies and obfuscation in their history books where their guilt is concerned.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'been 5 minutes so assuming there really wasn't a second statement.  covering any debate by "its in any school book" to answer that countries started randomly killing and saving as the explanation of what started world war 1 is fairly undebatable.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'if thats debating, well... christians are right.  bible says so.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'go!'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'but almost excellent obfuscation (until somebody challenges the attempt at obfuscation)'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Cytan: 'still not seeing the debate, or argument.  or references behind the argument.  at that point, its meaningless rants.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade is the queen of meaningless rants, Cytan'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why are the Senate GOPs insisting on an Iran Sanctions vote/'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'posturing for votes or publicity'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fucking stupid thing to posture for - war/sanctions against Iran are not popular'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'play the "whack-a-mole" game, where unpopular politicians expressing unpopular or unwanted opinions are .. criticised with expletives!  '
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is male, a king of meaningful rants!
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'queen'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is heterosexual male, and a pervertphobe
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'who debates like a queen'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'answer: Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there was no question mark, it was a statement'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"we are not amused"'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a woman in a san francisco bar was attacked for wearing google gass'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts cheers and sings... he is just BURSTING with joy!
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Never mind the Bollocks, here comes the Sex Pistols  "Belsen was a gasser"'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what do you think to the NFL threatening to take the superbowl away from Phoenix because of Arizona's proposed new law on gays'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'depends, what does this law say'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when the southern states show staunch Christian values that made the USa great ...'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically protects people and corporations from lawsuits targetting them because they refused service on grounds of religion (such as in the case of refusing service to gays)'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'depends on what services'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what depends on what services?'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'depends on how "bundled" are the services and refusals'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Any service from what I understand, from buying things in their store, eating at their restaurants, etc.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just a shame that a law was necessary'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Haven't read the full law myself but apparently it leaves it open for government workers to refuse services as well.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you do not like Arizona, go to another state'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'amused me that the NFL took a stance against it, i guess it proves how gay american football is, but we already knew that'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if i were in arizona i wouldn't be losing any sleep over it'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that is iffy as a government worker - is the refusal "state government policy" or a "personal refusal" on the whim of the government worker'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government is not mandating refusal'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Tigernuts mumbled some gooblededook using bigwords .. "mandating"'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'sounds like a jolly sensible law to me'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'anything that attempts to reduce the litigiousness (is that a word?) of society is a good thing'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'By institutionalizing the marginalization of a segment of society?'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doesn't do either'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the difficulty is that the government service may become inconsistent depending of which government employee was providing the service that shift'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm guessing that governments might write into contracts that you can't pick and choose'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact the only people likely to get any benefit from the law is small business owners '
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the RCC schools do not require to hire sexperverts as teachers '
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'with common core probably doesn't matter, your kids are going to be dumb'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the RCC schools do not require to hire militant atheists as teachers either'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'welcome to the national curriculum, come join the UK in the hotseat to academic oblivion and no hope for our kids'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the government-elect in the UK have members that want to ban private education because they believe it unfair that parents should be able to pay to give their kids a competitive advantage'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the same political party that already outlawed state run schools from selecting intake based on ability'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the protection of private schools is required'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'guess which party this was :-)'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(and who the analogous party is in the USA)'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't think the U.S. has a political party that would outlaw private schools.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'exception: terrorist muslim schools are not to be protected'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Well the democrats are analogous to the UK labour party, Malkar, so it's not beyond the pale - they're about 20 years behind un so far with this common core bollocks'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and democrat states are toying with the idea of banning or essentially banning homeschooling'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the UK Labour party is likely infiltrated with communist moles and subversives'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'used to be, zade, now infiltrated with globalist corporate fascists'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Oh shit, not the commies!'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it is still by far and away the most authoritarian of the UK parties'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'though it's difficult to get a cigarette paper between them all on most issues'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Cussbert, this *was* a polite debate '
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the commies are winning'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Sorry man, it's a habit. When I see people talking about commies like they're subversive boogey-men I just can't help but think they're joking.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Saint Cuthbert: 'Please, continue being paranoid and insane.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well of course that's nonsense, cuthbert, constitutionalists, libertarians and patriots are the subversive boogey-men these days, please do try and keep up with what your government is telling you'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'or is the government the boogey-man these days?'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Saint Cuthbert is Canadian, his government doesn't say much of anything to anyone.
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tigernuts nods at Emm.
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in reality'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'isn't much wrong in the world that isn't the fault of too much or bad government'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Cuthbert is a clueless canadian -- the Canadian government says a lot (quietly)'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the canadian government gave the uk government MArk Carney, that's grounds for war right there'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the "quietness" is able to be "deafening" (hence the quietness)'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"constitutionalists, libertarians and patriots" are merely facades'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'facades to an agenda, or various agendas, or facades to whackjobs'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'agenda is a plural word'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'except in the USa, where the hilbillies er Americans add an s to pluralise words'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'well, you are the one who used it...'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'they also drop redundent "l"s'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'you DO know we're the ones fucking up your countries, right?'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'so "hilbily" ?'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenaichie: 'Who is?'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'the Americans.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenaichie: 'Dude we are fucking up our own country its the UN not us messing with them'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'we drive your cars, we make your food, we watch you when you sleep (and awake, but shh!)'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenaichie: 'I dont understand'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hrm, "agendums" as another plural of "agenda"'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'huh, where'd you find that'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'agenda is the (latin) plural of agendum, but usually in English taken as a singular. '
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"there are an agenda," said the USamerican, "to teach the world American English."'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'Zade doesn't listen to enough Fox News.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'The debate channel is not enough.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"is it true that .." and "isn't it true that" seems to be answered by the same "yes" or "no" answer in a "Perry Mason" episode'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they're lawyers.  By the time they get done letting words fall out of their mouth they already know how you'll answer.  They're playing you.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'that's because 'is it true that' and 'isn't it true that' are asking the same question with different implications. The first is a straightforward request for information. The second assumes it is likely true and asks the second person for confirmation.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'lawyers know how to make no mean yes and yes mean no.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps "Matlock" tv episodes also, as though irregardless of the extra or redundent negative'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Majic, i did not read the crappy Amerincanski English textbook where that dubiously doubtful explanation was given'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Given that you just used 'irregardless' and spelled 'redundant' incorrectly, I think you calling an English textbook 'crappy' is a good recommendation.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there likely are some obscure? logic rules that determine where -ant and -ent are used'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'there is obviously a (slight? or major) difference in meaning between -ant and -ent'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'whether this is definAtely or definitely the case is likely more than mere pedantic etymology'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'plausible new textbook: "How to speak and write American (or bad) English"'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"irregardless" is an Americanism'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'so are fortune cookies'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'perhaps "redundent" (<-misspelt) is a more plural form of "redundant" (<-- properly spelt) '
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenaichie: 'i agree with that Zade'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Or perhaps it's just an incorrect spelling that you're trying to BS away.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenaichie: 'Majic do you know the secret of words?'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Dispel Majic peers intently at Tenaichie.
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'Which one?  :)'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'they all have a code you can parse out after staring at them long enough for your eyes to dry out.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenaichie: 'About the Context, the intent behind the word'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'that's called slang, and it varies by region, country, even ethnicity.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'It can also be highly problematic if the person is not a skilled user of English, due to either lack of education or speaking English as a foreign language, especially online where we do not have the context provided by body language.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'thousands of American words, for example, are derived from the gold rush, the mississippi river system, and the wild west.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenaichie: 'in this circumstance yes but the context of the words all i ask is that youbthink od what that means'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Shirley not "all"'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'yeah, all of them.'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'if you are going to do a "Humpty Dumpty", don't be a "Popper"-accursed post-modernist'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'not everybody is able to do an "HP Lovecraft"'
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Stephen Colbert" is not a good enough role-model '
T3/r7/2014-02-25.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'did you know "poker" is an american slang term?'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what news, debate?'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, no real important news today, that's an ominous sign'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'no real news? except the latest SCOTUS erosion of the 4th amendment.'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'low pay comission in the UK totally capitulated to the government and suggested only a 3% rise in the minimum wage'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest? which?'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'police can search your house against your express objection without a warrant if another resident gives them consent'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that has changed from what situation?'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the exact reverse of that'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the distinction they made is in this case the objecting owner/resident was no longer present (because they had since arrested him).'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'Fernandez v california.'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs, well that's dodgy, but not unsurmountable'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'i guess technically it is yesterday's news not todays but whatever'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the opinion issued yesterday, but it hit the news today primarily'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so need to make sure that everyone in your household knows to refuse police a search without a warrant, still boils down to the same thing: know your rights and exercise them'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yeah but its going to come back and bite them in the butt in some case with estranged coresidents and police shortcutting the warrant system'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'in the case at bar it seems pretty clear that any reasonable judge would have issued a warrant if the police had sought one'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'police need to be prosecuted for violations, not just sued'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'perhaps then they'll take their job a little more seriously'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'but there will come a case where they will use this ruling to justify some idiotic behavior'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tenaichie: 'I agree Nuts of the Tiger'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'I think the limits on what they can be sued or prosecuted for is about correct in the law today'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'of course I also think it would be a lot better if those limits were actually used instead of the much more lax standards that get used by most prosecutors'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well clearly not, Emm, since even where they've beaten people bloody they only seem to end up paying out money, which come from the taxpayer anyway'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'rodney king cops were prosecuted'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'should fucking hope so'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'more recent cases they haven't been'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the rules as written are pretty clear and I think would work well if actually enforced'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: '(well in most jurisdictions, NM has some screwy stuff in thier police protection laws)'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can't look at american news sites without on an almost daily basis finding news stories where a policeman has either threatened violence, or actually beaten someone up and not been prosecuted'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'the problem is that prosecutors enjoy wide discretion (which is useful for when they are dealing with normal citizens, but can be problematic when they are dealing with people they work with day in and day out).'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their discretion almost always finds leniency for cops when the opposite should happen - cops must be held to at the very least the same standard, if not much higher standards than the public'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'yes, and I think that prosecuters should have significantly reduced discretion when the alleged criminal behavior is from police.'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'latest pack of lies from harry reid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mSJOLivL-NU'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'sorry i gotta jet im late for class.'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, latest news: Obama to ask NSA to expand the US public phone recording system'
T3/r7/2014-02-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Emm: 'so what do you make of the news media in the US billing the proposed budget reductions for the army as "the army is poised to be reduced to the smallest it has been since pre-WWII?'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'gooood'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Wars: 'Who thinks russia is about to invade ukraine?'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'russia won't invade ukraine, though they might take crimea'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm glad that the kid who was prevented from handing out pocket constitutions at his college campus and harassed by the security staff got a payout of $50k'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh, UK intelligence has been snooping on your fapping your mushroom tip on webcam since 2008'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'according to Democrats, everyone feeling pain from Obamacare is a liar.'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'According to Republicans the death panels should have prevented this problem.'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'GW Bush and Cheney said that "torture by the USA is not torture".  So "pain from Obamacare is not pain",  And "the Republicans are liars".  (loosely paraphrased)'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the SCOTUS is extremely corrupt and crook'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) <pretitle> Scars: 'per usual'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't think there is any evidence that they are corrupt'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Hanslanda: 'would be pretty funny if the top lawyers couldn't cover their tracks.'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'Malkar is obviously visually impaired or morally impaired -- or maybe Malkar sees a "new defence" for those at Nuremberg '
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'new one-liner humor: The difference between SCOTUS and the nazis on trial at Nuremberg  -- the SCOTUS yet requires to be put on trial convicted and h***ed for crimes against humanity'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'looking at past history, there were extremely bad decisions in "Law" -- and those bad "law" decisions are indications (perhaps proof) of crook and corruption'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'which channel in aardwolf brings out the worst in people?'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'echo'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I say all the worst shit there'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm. never noticed'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'echo is monitored and used for polite conversation '
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'this echo channel is great'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'yup, all sorts of debauchery going on there'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that singing frog on LoonyTunes -- did he publish a vinyl records of his songs'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'hello my baby'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"Hello my baby, Hello my darling, Hello my Clementine"'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Everybody do the Michigan Rag.'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'that singing haity monster also sings a few great songs '
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'which singing monster?'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"In the spinga, i got a thinga, i gotta singa ..." '
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"In the springa, i got a thinga, i gotta singa ..." '
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I have "One Froggy Evening" in DVD'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I didn't really like that owls songs.'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: '"Sturdy little place this house of brick, built in 1776, high class place with a high class crowd, sign on the door no wolves allowed."'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'DVD not as good as audiophile AAA vinyl'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'missed a chance to buy "Friggin in the Riggin" by the SexPistols as a single on 12" vinyl - darn darn darn'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Dispel Majic: 'the cabin boy was flipper'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the rich sound on that 12" single is likely fantastic'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'Good night, I have work in the morning. *Wave*'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a great hifi sound (on 10inch 78rpm? vinyl) is "A star falls from heaven" by Richard Tauber  - the modern technology versions are iffy -- perhaps there is something about that genuine crackling background 78rpm sound '
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'some audiophiles like their music strong and pure and uncut, "the real thing",  and not  chopped shredded and pureed by digital sampling'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: '"The Real Thing"  by Russell Morris, in which the radio broadcast version was far better, with good old Adolf ranting in the "added" background (of the radio version) - controversial humor'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'may've been another one-hit wonder, like "Something in the Air" by Thunderclap Newman'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'when i purchase songs, i often purchase for the single song, not the album -- and when an album contains lots of great songs, likely a decent group and or compilation'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'a lot of great gems out there, in the "passed"'
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Zade is waiting for high-quality analog music to make a comeback, so Zade may fly and get high
T3/r7/2014-02-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'either that or the end of the world'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'zade might get high quality analogue music when the rest of us get high quality computer hardware and software not made in china that hasn't got built in spytech in it'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cool, militia loyal to Russia have taken over the airport in Crimea'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'thanks, obama'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2014-02-26.html'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a very true and important assessment that would not only be true applied to the US, but also here in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'haha, you read ann coulter non-ironically :' D'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it was a tongue in cheek piece, but it was also true'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would venture to say it was a statement of the blindingly obvious, but lefties don't appear to see such things'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I can't get to it for some reason -- but commentary around the web suggests that it's an "it's all the fault of immigration" argument'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's ann coulter. she's fucking insane'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'so, we should stop low wage people coming in, but let high skilled people through'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'or extremely cynical. who knows'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'but the US already does that -- the low skilled workers all come in illegally'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'and no one wants to stop it because how would all the people who could stop it get their houses cleaned?'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'I've never heard of her? Who is she?'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Swalec: 'oh, a professional complainer, yep, now I understand'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we have legal low skilled immigration here because we're members of the EU, but the net result is the same. Foreigners come in take low wage jobs forcing wages down. Local low skilled workers end up being paid welfare, low paid workers get paid welfare to make up their wages. Government basically ends up subsidising corporate profits as a result'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'I hate to use a phrase that starts "It is obvious that..." but it is obvious that that would happen'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'it is obvious that your view is too simplistic'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but alas, nobody wants to change it in power because it benefits big business because they get corporate welfare through taxation of the public, the lefties in government won't change it because people on welfare vote for them'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if it's too simplistic, please let us know where the assessment is incorrect'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the presence of a greater population increases the demand for products & services'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it also puts greater demands on limited resource and public services'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your statement is clearly crap because any system that is dependent on unending growth in population is by it's nature an unsustainable system'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'also, the immigrants tend to be young working age people rather than the elderly who rely only pensions and benefits'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'true, but see previous'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'again, your view is too simplistic'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the only thing simplistic here is your method of disagreement'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you are using a straw man argument'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh? what's the strawman?'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I have not described a system that is dependent on unending growth in population'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have too'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(Debate) Vost: 'the presence of a greater population increases the demand for products & services''
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'it's when you misrepresent someone's argument, nuts'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'sure, but no ad infinitum, and not "dependent" '
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then where are the bounds?'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'that's for the political scientists and economists to model'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'oh, great'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because they do such a fucking great job'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the term "political scientist" is a non-sequitur'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you listen to some actual scientists?'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'you mean oxymoron, not non-sequitur'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Seltsimees Dagnir: 'actual scientists like ann coulter :D'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ann Coulter is a political commentator, not a scientist'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she's like an AMerican Melanie Phillips'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but just so we all understand what you're saying, is that despite the examples of Australia and New Zealand having lower unemployment than the EU/US and much higher minimum wages and a tight immigration system based on required skills is BETTER than the US/EU immigration police of largely unrestricted movement of unskilled labour leading to low wages and necessary stepping in of government with welfare because this policy is not understood because it's not as simple as that, and only political scientists and economists know the limits to which immigration should taken'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'while i'm happy to admit that there is far more detail involved, i would love to see the logic gymnastics required to prove your case without hiding behind "trust the politicans, they know better than you"'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'h 1'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'any system that depends on unending (lowskill) immigration that leads to unending population increases is likely defective'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'an immigration system that requires immigrants be highly-skilled and intelligent, is likely superior to a system that permits lowclass unskilled physical labour as immigrants'
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'hightly-skilled immigration may cause difficulties in the depleted locations from where the immigrants came '
T3/r7/2014-02-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Zade: 'the immigration topic is difficult to discuss within politically-correct strictures  -- perhaps if the god of the Apocalypse were to act as a moderator and kill off a lot of excess humans ... '