T3/r7/2014-10-01.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it has been the Conservative Party annual conference this week (UK's ruling party) and the news is that they are looking and sounding like the National Socialist Party of Germany in the 1930s. It's a tad scary'
T3/r7/2014-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bobolai: 'a debate on.. '
T3/r7/2014-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bobolai: 'a debate on... immtalk?'
T3/r7/2014-10-02.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Bobolai: 'about war.'
T3/r7/2014-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wut?'
T3/r7/2014-10-03.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a recent survey of British members of parliament found 71% of them didn't know how the banking system worked and believed only the government could create money'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so who do you think controls the amount of money that is circulation in the USA?'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'I don't know for sure, I think the Federal Bank has a large influence.'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's really just banks in general, create money out of thin air'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'how much they create is affected by the fed.'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'It's not really out of thin air.'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'The bank loans money from me. Which they can then loan to some other guy.'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Who loans the money to the bank(deposits it), and they loan it to another dude.'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaed: 'actually they do just make it from thin air'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'etc etc etc'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'They need 10% coverage I think.'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'So if you give em 10K, they can lend that out and "create" 90K in debt.'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'And your 10K are somehow supposed to ensure the system doesn't collapse.'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's the principle of fractional reserve banking, Ceriq, however, it's based on their balance sheets, not on your deposits'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so what they do is they sell each other repackaged debt, sometimes with one debt appearing in many packages, thus making the balance sheet appear much larger than it actually is'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so in reality, they can pretty much create debt out of thin air with little/no limits'
T3/r7/2014-10-05.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just provided nobody ever calls in their debts, because if that were to happen you'd have a colossal banking collapse'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA could solve their out-of-control cops problem AND save the tax-payer a small fortune at the same time by making a small change to their law: If a police authority is sued because of the overzealous, violent, inappropriate or illegal activities of an office, it should be THAT officer that is held personally liable, not the employer'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as it currently stands, the police authority itself carries the can, so the fines and settlements come out of tax payers money, meaning there is no incentive for them to clean up their act'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'if that were the case every cop in the usa would be involved in a lawsuit of somekind or another.'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'from simple false arrest  on up'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'not to mention that blame never lies with just a single entity but spread among several. The aurgment that IF the department did  a better job of screening applicants said bad cop would have never became a cop.'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then you'd have no cops'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how about you just prosecute bad cops rather than justifying their actions?'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'personally i'm all for getting rid of most cops, not like they have any useful role in a free society'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'how about you do a better job of screening applicant's, training, etc... so there are no "bad" cops. you forget copse are still responsible. if a cop shoots someone w/o justification he is still charges with murder.'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why would they do that? they actively look to recruit thugs'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'and that is the problem that needs to be fixed.'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the same way that they actively look to confiscate money and property at traffic stops knowing most people can't afford to fight it'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't fix that'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'if you can't fix that, then you can't fix anuthing else either. s why bother with anything?'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's a matter of scale, the policy of turning police into thugs is one that is brought in from the top down'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless you somehow have a way of changing the entire direction of federal law enforcement policy (and i'll let you into a secret, it doesn't matter which of the two identikit US political parties gets in, they're the same) it won't change'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'it's really simple. Identify the problem, identify the root cause of the the problem, fix the root cause and problem is solved. ANYTHING else is just a quick fix (band-aid) or temp workaropund.'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so you're suggesting the simple fix is the destruction of the two-party system of politics in the USA/'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'that's a huge assumption and an entier chang of subject matter.'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's the same solution in the UK, destroy the system of government and it's participants and start again. Hardly a simple fix'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'Were did U get simple fix from? I never said anythinf about a simple fix.'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"[07 Oct 18:23:51] (Debate) Fanil: 'it's really simple. Identify the problem, identify the root cause of the the problem, fix the root cause and problem is solved."'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'so the process is simple. where in that did I saY THE fix WAS SIMPLE?'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your statement implied the process was simple'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not a simple process'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'nope. you assumed that. I never implies nor said that. '
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so nobody should believe what you're saying?'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what would be simpler, bringing down your system of government, or making cops personally responsible from law suits brought against them as a result of their actions that were contrary to the law or contrary to the level of conduct expected of them?'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'i'm really digging the personal accountability for cops, wish it was a thing'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'just like medical malpractice'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'something needs to be done before they just start killing people in large numbers'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'good idea let the insurance companies win while everyone else loses.'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how's that different to now?'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if the insurance companies deal with it, the premiums will go up, that again puts pressure on the cops by means of their employer to stop it'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'Cops ARE personally responsible for thier actions already'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'scenario:'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'i would argue that they aren't, paid administrative leave isn't punishment to cops, that punishment to citizens and tax payers'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'we get to foot the bill for the overtime of the cops replacing said person'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'not to mention we are paying for his/her admin leave'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'if the city gets sued for one cops actions, the cop isn't held accountable'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'innocent until proven guilty. '
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what an antiquated statement, nobody goes by that anymore'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'if the investigation proves the cop was wrong then he's on his own and has FULL personal responsilility'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not true'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in almost all civil cases brought against the police, the department settles out of court'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Ehnsomnyak: 'atleast not monitarily'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'civil vs criminal is comparing apples to oranges. I don't mind debating but you keep wanting to change the subject.'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this whole conversation started because i suggested that cops were made personally responsible for suits brought against them as a result of violence or acting in a thuggish way'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they -are- civil cases'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'cops are untouchable in the eyes of the criminal law, you know that'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'tell that to all the cops in jail atm.'
T3/r7/2014-10-07.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're lonely'
T3/r7/2014-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's 1-0 in the USA vs Spain 'Dying due to incompetent response to Ebola' contest'
T3/r7/2014-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Landscaper claiming employer fired him for owning gun files suit'
T3/r7/2014-10-08.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'files suit and jolly good on him, it shouldn't be tolerated in the same way as they shouldn't be able to fire someone for being gay'
T3/r7/2014-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'Same sex marriage. What's the big fuss? If 2 peeps wanna marry, how does that affect you? and whys do people feel the need to prevent it?'
T3/r7/2014-10-11.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'a classically rhetorical question, Fain. '
T3/r7/2014-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'same sex marriage, who cares'
T3/r7/2014-10-12.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and government should have the power to legislate marriages revoked, none of their business'
T3/r7/2014-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'rofl, John Kerry has pre-empted the establishment having "bullshit" called upon their approach to climate change with a statement: "But, even if climate alarmists are wrong, nothing bad can come of enacting their taxes, restrictions and regulations, "'
T3/r7/2014-10-13.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'only think John Kerry is useful for is anal floss to a fat person'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the natives are getting restless - national health service workers are taking strike action'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'has anyone ever calculated if there is more "money" or "valuable things"?'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'say. you dig up a nugget. does the money get printed for that?'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'a gold nugget'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i mean - if you dig up 1m tons of gold. what happens? a lot of people become poorer for very little real reason'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'no one drunk here?'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a 6ft 3 heiffer, holy cow!'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it OK to hate Taylor Swift?'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'hate is a very strong word for someone you dont really know'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there are plenty of people i don't know that i genuinely hate, such as.... Tony Blair, Theresa May, George Bush, Barrack Jesus H Christ Obama, John Kerry, Diane Feinstein, Harry Reid, Eric Holder, John Boehner'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fair do's then, i just 'greatly dislike' Taylor Swift'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'why?'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why what?'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'you hate sappy country songs or something?'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i hate fakers'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and she isn't all that good'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'it sounds like you pay too much attention to people who couldn't care less what you think about them'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'does that mean you shouldnt' have opinions of people?'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'she makes a lot of money doing what she does and a lot of people love her'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'you can but it doesn't matter'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'having opinions of people that you can actually influence makes a lot more sense'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'is it any less relevent that i strongly dislike than others loving her?'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'if you can convince those people to dislike her as well it is much more relevant'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'having opinions on the people that run your country is quite relevent'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i would argue that NOT having an opinion on them is inappropriate'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Terrathus: 'you're right about that'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so provided Taylor Swift stays out of my life, i'll let her off'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that also means that she needs to stay a-political and not be a minion for the UN'
T3/r7/2014-10-14.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Indignation: 'do we need a hair channel?'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have a patient with Ebola in your isolation ward, an extremely infectious disease that kills most of the people it infects. Do you A) Quarantine and monitor the medical team treating him until the incubation period is up, or b) allow said medical team members to go about their lives potentially infecting people on a plane flight?'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'C) Nuke the city.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'heh'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'wouldn't help in this case'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Why not?'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it had already spread'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Nuke the other cities too.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just nuke all cities then?'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'works for me'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'If umbrella would've just gotten their fingers out of their asses faster, the T-virus would never have been able to leave racoon city.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'actually serios .. introduce quarantine proceedure for all returning from said contried  like 2 weeks ago .. '
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they appear to want it to spread, Tzad'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'But nooo, Do the humany thing, build a wall, incite mass panic, have it spread outside because people are trying to get their own loved ones into safety, and THEN nuke the city.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why none of the normal quarantine procedures have been followed'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'call it incompetence, call it by design, fact is it's happening'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Next question.. There is fcking ebola in west africa. Why on gods earth, and I am an atheist, would you want to travel there.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'And what on gods earth are you thinking allowing people to come back from there?'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'because the people making the decisions are the government, and to question the government's actions or motivation makes you a terrorist'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'And why in the nine hells are they flying the diseased back? I know they'll get better care in the "western" world, but it's a deadly disease ffs. contain it.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'see previous 2 possible reasons, incompetence, or deliberate'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: '. and another thing .. I deal with Haz waste at work  .. these pl have No idea on how to wear a haz mat suit I am seeing .. and we ship em back to us .. !  stupid  is now bacterial .. '
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Or c) They ignored the people who knew better who were saying "DON'T DO THAT!", because they're americans and they do as they damned well please, and scientists are all a bunch of quacks because hurr durr we have god on our side.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Honestly, ya'll are no better than the islamists when it comes to religion.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't buy that, CeriQ'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's like watching Idiocracy'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'lets ship the infected to Syria .. '
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'There's already scare-talk going on about how isis could use ebola as a biological weapon.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why? they don't deserve it. Ship em to Saudi Arabia or Israel'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Can't we let all the jesus freaks prove their loyalty and devotion and have them hug and pray away the ebola from the infected?'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'petrochemical based economy .. hello ? '
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'If it works, I'll freaking convert on the spot.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't understand the religion aspect, Ceriq, have you seen news I haven't?'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Nah, I'm just bringing that angle in because god damn I am tired of atrocities commited in the name of this or that god.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'And how people cannot do any wrong because we have GOD on our side, hurr durr!'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's no different to attrocities committed in the name of governments'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people cannot do any wrong because we have the STATE on our side, hurr durr!'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'the currency is the sword ..  .. '
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Yes. But you can always argue and rebel against a shitty government.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'It's hard to argue with something that isn't real.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'the really big bads of the past century have been in the name of non- (or quasi-) religious ideologies, mostly'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not any more you can't, ceriq'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'nice of you to include Nazi into that  Tinada'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): Tinada nods.
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'commies, commies, nazis in about that order, it seems'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'The nazis weren't really the worst tho Tzadkiel.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't buy the religious aspect, it would be fairer and more accurate to say that the worlds ills are generally caused by groups of people who seek to force power over others. That covers ISIS and US aggression'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Exactly Tinada. China, Russia, Germany.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Germany ? '
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Ok, the third reich, sorry.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Or we could go Mao, Stalin, Hitler.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: '.. Oh we are doing history too .. '
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'name where and who caused the last 10 military conflicts'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Muslims?'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Or christians.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'money , money money .. '
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'That's a trick question, right? The USA and countries on -stan? :)'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'worldwide, Ceriq'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not all of em, Tinada'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tinada: 'I was just trying to simplify :)'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Fact is, you guys(the us) haven't been at war since vietnam. You've been in wars, but you haven't actually declared war on anyone.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have ISIS, which is a combined fault of the middle east and western foreign policy'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Israel vs Palestine, which is the fault of Israel'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Ukraine, which is the fault of George Soros'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'And you reaaaaaally milk that cow to get out of the geneva conventions rules about treatments of POWs..'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Libya, the fault of the US'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Weeeeell.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Syria, the fault of the US'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Iraq, the fault of the US'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Israel vs palestine is kinda both of their faults.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Afghanistan, the fault of Saudi Arabia, Russia, and the US'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Falklands, the fault of Argentina'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Bosnia, the fault of all involved'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'One side grabs another countries land. They respond not with "WTF?", but with rockets.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'VietNam, the fault of France and the US'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'Falklands .. jeez Tiggy barrel bottom there '
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Both sides are doing shitty shit. Mostly the israelis, but the palestinians aren't without fault.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why's it the bottom of the barrel, Tzad?'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'irrelavent to now '
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i just asked for the last 10 conflicts :-)'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'What about Kongo? Or Tchad? Or Eritrea? Or Burma?'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Internal conflicts, no, Ceriq?'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'If you cherrypick the conflicts in an area of the world you want to look at, ofcourse you'll get a crapton of onesided results.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'With quite a bit of outside support and coercion.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't know enough about those conflicts to comment'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: 'is standard practice to war with an adversiary on proxy land .. '
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'all i can tell you is that my country wouldn't be harbouring a huge debt and a threat of returning terrorists had it had decent immigration policy and not got involved in really retarded wars abroad'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'USA would be in much the same boat'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Confounded CeriQ: 'Oh I agree Tigernuts.'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at least economics are sorting themselves out.... NOT!'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'stockmarkets all took a pasting today'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'E B O L A'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'if obama closes down gitmo, perhaps we can let the prisoners stay at the extra bedrooms of the whitehouse.....'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I would like to know how 2 nurses who supposedly took the normal precautions to protect from contagious patients, managed to get ebola.....'
T3/r7/2014-10-15.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'boo, the richest person in Alaska is not even a billionaire.....$480 million.'
T3/r7/2014-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'mner mner'
T3/r7/2014-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it would appear that FBI chief James Comey is a complete fucking idiot when he said "If Apple and Google won't decrypt phones, we'll force them to", apparently not realising that it is beyond Apple and Google's power to'
T3/r7/2014-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you have this calibre of people running the FBI, folks, you really should be worried'
T3/r7/2014-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'I've missed you, Tigernuts'
T3/r7/2014-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'get a telescopic sight :-)'
T3/r7/2014-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vost: 'the only one I have is attached to a sniper rifle...'
T3/r7/2014-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you shouldn't be missing me then'
T3/r7/2014-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'honestly though, what between your FBI head, the Senator or COngresswoman that thought gun clips could only be used once, and the other Senator/Congressman that thought that if you had too many people on an island it would sink...'
T3/r7/2014-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not that i can complain, a recent survey of UK parliamentarians found 71% of them didn't know that banks could create almost unlimited money'
T3/r7/2014-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(out of thin air)'
T3/r7/2014-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'next you'll be claiming they've done a great job of containing Ebola'
T3/r7/2014-10-16.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '(the best way of which is to allow the people who've treated ebola victims get on a plane whilst infected with ebola)'
T3/r7/2014-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'I question the value of this channel when all the good dialog happens on others'
T3/r7/2014-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'You call that good dialog?'
T3/r7/2014-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'so. any communist pigs around? imm channel is screwed'
T3/r7/2014-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Arnica: 'Aliens left a sandwich on my sidewalk closed barrier, the CIA was watching who would take the bait. I kept my zipper up.'
T3/r7/2014-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what is considered good dialogue?'
T3/r7/2014-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'when people shut up before namecalling:)'
T3/r7/2014-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see'
T3/r7/2014-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'how's it all going in the old S of A?'
T3/r7/2014-10-19.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'Poroshenko has been bough by ussr'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alzar: 'Soldier vs Blacksmith.. which is better?'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the soldier shoots the blacksmith. The blacksmith pounds the soldier into a horseshoe? What's the diff?'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'silly, USSE, not USSR'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'alabama House speaker indicted on 23 felony counts, most dealing with soliciting money from comapanies in return for policitcal favors.'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'in jail awaiting bail hearing, but still technically the house speaker'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'or was, at least'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'might be out now'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Alzar: 'Out of the house or out of jail? :p'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'jail'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Snowangel Tzadkiel: '"The Big House"'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'all class B felonies, meaning up to 20 years and $30,000 fines for each count'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: '2-20 years'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Madcatz: 'nods, released after 1 hour after posting $86,000 bail'
T3/r7/2014-10-20.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'now the only question is "which country club will he be assigned to" :)'
T3/r7/2014-10-21.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'politicians are nasty'
T3/r7/2014-10-22.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i see the Canadians are having a bit of a flap today'
T3/r7/2014-10-23.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'did they ever find the second canadian wind up toy?'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska, the saudi arabia of coal.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'Alaska has about 25% of the worlds known coal reserves.  Trillions of tons of beautiful coal that should be mined and shipped to Asia.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'why dont we raise the temps by 10c and just use earth as a greenhouse?'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'or 20. even  better'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: '10c is kind of a lot'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'people can live in far south'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'antarctica?'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'or north'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'my math was 3- in school. let them scientists figure those out. boring stuff:P'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'what's 3-?'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '"e"'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal is good.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'barely positive?'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'so is natgas'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'coal is terrible'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal is your friend.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'unless you have to live near it, then it poisons your family'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'we won't even mention how many die extracting coal every year.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'the feds built a state of the art coal plant in Alaska that captured the co2 and injected it back into the ground, but the plant cost 4x the cost of a normal state of the art non injecting coal power plant, so it was abandoned.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'kinda like that state of the art turkey and chicken waste into oil plant in missouri......the govt spent $100 million on that....it worked quite well, but costs too much for a mere 1000 gallons a day'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'forget about c02. coal production waste is radioactive'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'I like the new idea in Alaska though.....using heated water to turn coal into methane at a large coal deposit....the govt gave a private company a $25 million grant to see if it can be done.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'basically to create a man made coal bed methane deposit.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'so rather than look for a new source of energy they spend money retreading a 200-yo technology. Maybe we should go back t gas lights.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'maybe some bacteria would like to eat coal? and fart methane'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'sounds like my ex wife'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'heh:)'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'coal and natgas is now and the near future....other pie in the sky power ideas are far in the future, if ever.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'sure pie in the sky'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'even solar is still 4x more expensive than natgas, but it is dropping....only because of federal subsidies'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'by the time the exhaust all the gas, coal, and oil, the earth won't be worth shit to live in.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see, the earth was worth living on when the dinosaurs were alive...and the co2 concentration back then was 4x higher than today.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I think you need to be careful about how you define "expensive" here.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'wait, are you saying that humans and dinosaurs co-existed? '
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'one could say that humans and dinosaurs still coexist...all depends on how you're defining dinosaurs'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'true enough :)'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'I think he watched 1000000 BC once to many times, though :)'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'before you talk about the "expense" or "value" of a mode of electricity production, first do a google image search for "beijing air quality"'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'what beijing air quality?'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'zugzug lana'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'they no longer have air there, though they do have a gas.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'you can ask the same question of Mexico City.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'it's gotten so bad there you are only allowed to drive your car every other day.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'I remember hearing that of mexico city 20 years ago'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'I was actually just talking with some people the other day about them growing up in pittsburgh during the steel days, and how the street lights would turn on at like 2pm because of the lack of visibility "in the city"'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'it hasn't gotten any better, probably because they don't even try.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'lets see, the earth was worth living on when the dinosaurs were alive...and the co2 concentration back then was 4x higher than today.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'ack'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'it's gorgeous today, now that industry fled though ;-)'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the US tries t clean the air while allowing polluting companies to florish.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'US coal power plants are much cleaner compared to the ones in China.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'and yet'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'the operative word is "compared to", so we are not talking absolutes here. Being cleaner doesn't mean being clean.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) The Jerk Fiendish: 'there's still no such thing as clean coal'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'exactly'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'and most of the coal in Alaska would be shipped to south korea, and japan'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'and screw them if they can't take a joke :)'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}You debate: 'well, nothing is clean, not even solar (when you include production of the means of production)...'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'japan has a small quake, and go nuts against nuclear power.....'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'no one said the nuclear power, as it is archived now, is the way to go.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'pebble bed nuclear reactor design is pretty good.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'hey, they sit there and think deeply how to have efficient engines of destruction and their accompanying delviery system. But when it comes to the general population they just want to burn coal.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'hell, even thorium based reactor design would be a step up, and we have much more thorium'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the thorium guys seem deluded'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'NPR-Alaska should be given back to the state.'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Rizgoth: 'it is no longer needed as a naval reserve'
T3/r7/2014-10-26.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Exiled To Aphelion: 'all they need is to put a toll booth at the Bering strait...'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Amtrak employees have been told to report "as suspicious" anyone buying train tickets using cash'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'also anyone who buys tickets immediately prior to boarding'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and in other news, a naked connecticut man raped a pit bull in his neighbours garden and then claimed Isis sent him'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'heh, we've gone well beyond eliminating the penny when any physical currency becomes "suspicious"'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'damn good reason to use it as much as possible'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'well tracking's a two way street: I enjoy being able to review my bank statement with most of my expenses listed, and be able to categorize spending without having to manually enter all my transactions'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you're not capable of doing that with cash?'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'of course - I could write it all down, and manually enter it into excel, quicken, etc.  Or - I could let the bank do it for me, and likely a better job of remembering.'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then your laziness is the banks/governments and their third party partners gain'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a difference here, however'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the moment you have a choice. Ban cash and that choice is removed'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'laziness is relative - I choose to think of it as prioritizing my time.  The government has little to gain from my day to day spending, the only real negative is that my tax dollars would be paying for that wasted effort, but I've little control over that other than to keep voting for independent parties.'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there needs to be some legal protection for the status of cash to prevent some crazed leftie or controlling nazi corporatist scrapping it'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'it wouldn't be a nazi, it'd be the credit card industry looking to strong arm small businesses into adopting merchant services, so they could collect their fees on all the transactions'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'people want to use their gay contactless mobile payments, all power to them, just don't ram it down the throats of the rest of us'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's pretty much why they're doing it anyway'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'to control the use of money'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'control/track all transactions'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm sure there's a tax collection element to it too.  Both in black market goods transactions, as well as under-the-table payment for labor.'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'very much so'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's why governments are labelling cash users as criminals'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'pretty much the same as labelling privacy activists as terrorists, smokers as murderers, and stoners and dangerous criminals'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'thing is though, I don't think we'll see cash eliminated any time soon.  People can always find something of value to barter with if the government fails to provide a physical currency.  Its very much in their best interest to make transactions happen in currency - can't tax a trade very easily.'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are already talking about making barter illegal. Believe it already is in some states'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'that'd f up a lot of collectable card games'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'shrug'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm not sure the trading card community is likely to be a helpful ally in that fight'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'I'm sure if the law does exist, it's only enforced sparingly'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'but sometimes those are the worst kind of laws'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's all colour of law here in the UK'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Taokan: 'creates an environment where everyone's constantly breaking some law, and enforcement just boils down to whenever a cop feels like being a prick'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'or whether your face fits'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of all the things i'd like to roll back here in the UK are arbitrary police powers'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'a flight from LA to London was delayed after a passenger on the plane discovered a wifi hotspot named "Al-Qaeda Free Terror Network"'
T3/r7/2014-10-27.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it should have been clear it was a joke from a retard because they'd typed it as "Al_Quida Free Terror Nettwork"'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'internet has ruined the word "social"'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'soh. do you like science?'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'everybody who like science say: "YEAH!"'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'all i hear is "we like quiet"'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'after getting out of college.. i never remember hearing "if you cant find an answer, you'er not looking at the right spot".'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'thats what is missing from the education. '
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there's lots missin from education'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basic math, for a start'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basic physics, too'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: '"not being a retard and screwing over your fellow man" tends to be missed from education these days, too'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'math&physics=science-something? fuck that. what about emotional numbers?'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, there was a big piece on today's news about the 'gender gap' as measured by a bunch of absurd metrics that don't help'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and apparently female soccer players should be payed the same as male soccer players'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'There's no such thing as an emotional number.  There are vampire numbers, and happy numbers.'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'in proper science environnment, you can easily define what an "emotional number" is. like -so big. huge. enormous'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Yeah, but that doesn't have any rigor, so it won't ever be considered a term :P'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you wouldn't get paid for it, though'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but everyone gets it. thats enough'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Not enough for math :P  Sorry, but not sorry.'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'how big is "so"? in "so sorry"'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'not a quantifiable amount.'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'unless you define a well-defined map between a non-quantifiable map and a quantifiable map, it's not measurable.'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in better news, Sir Nicholas Winton was given an award by the Czech prime minister for spearheading the rescue of 669 jewish kids from czechoslovakia to England in the second world war'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Sir Nicholas celebrated his 105th birthday this year'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but everyone gets it right away.'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: '... You don't understand.  If you're trying to measure (as you said), or define something, you need rigor.  Your rigor?  Is about as much sense as Tigernuts makes.'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: '"so" - means maximum amount of something considering all the circircumstances'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'Not at all. "So sorry" is usually a large amount of sorry, in which you may experience guilt due to the behaviour.  But it can also be used in a sarcastic method, of "Oh, so sorry :P" in which you have zero sorry.'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Xaeris: 'So, it's not a rigorous term, not rigor whatsoever.'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nor rigour'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate): .... Hwuaijijal shoots himself in the head. 
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'so it's vote-rigging season in the USA, though a county in Ohio has scrapped their no-refusal DUI checkpoints after a public backlash incited by libertarian media'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the democrats are fleeing, GOP are gloating, and most of the country realise that whoever gets in ain't go to make a damned bit of difference'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'here's something you don't hear very often: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/27/christian-rapper-jackie-hill-perry-comes-out-as-ex/'
T3/r7/2014-10-28.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'joy, we're going to have brownouts this winter'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-29823870'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'why is this feminist misclassifying male attention as harassment?'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaed: 'mental illness'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'are you suggesting feminists are mentally ill?'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Vaed: 'that one is'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well there you go'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i think most western feminists are mentally ill'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i will bring as proof just about everything they say and do'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in fact, the only valid complaint they have is that women and men with the same level of qualification, same level of experience/time served, doing the same work, should be paid the same'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'everyone is deluded'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, they're not'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'yes they are and you're one of them!'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what am i deluded about?'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'you think you have an answer before the question was asked'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i don't'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'proof?'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unless "i don't have an answer" is an answer'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'thats a perfect answer'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'proof given then'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'the best one actually. you can go on with your life without committing to absolutely anything'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'but its a solid answer'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'then clearly i'm not delusional about that'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'hm. we had a school shooting here, thats why that topic. some delusions end with horror'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'oh. a cool note:) brb:)'
T3/r7/2014-10-29.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what was the delusional link?'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'Kaci Hickox should probably just be shot'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'why? Beause she is right.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she's about as right as cigarette companies were in the 1930s when they said smoking was good for you'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's the point of having a quarantine procedure if you ignore it?'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'what's the point of having quarantime procedure for someone who isn't contagious.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'erm, that's kinda the point, you quarantine anyone who may have had contact'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can't guarantee she's not contagious until the quarantine period is up'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'Why follow a quarantine if you have no reason to. Dude She had an ebola test and it was negative!'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'negative at that point, yes'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she's just a left wing loon who thinks the rules don't apply to her. It should be remembered in future'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'And quarantine without reason is unconstitutional!.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not without reason'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'of so gimme 1 valid reason based on scientific fact.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it'd be like someone walking out after prison after 10 days of a 6 month sentence claiming "i did psych tests! i'm not a threat to society!"'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'hmmmmm. Did she rob a bank?'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nope, but she's supposed to be in quarantine'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i'm prepared to accept the constitutionality argument, provided you also scrap all the prohibitive gun laws, search and seizure laws, and arbitrary police powers that also contravene the constitution'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'still give us 1 reason based on facts.  U can't can you? You don't want to debate. you just want to argue.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the fact is that quarantine is based on possibility of contagion, not on a test taken at the beginning of the period'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can test negative for ebola at exposure point and still develop it'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'and there you go again changinging subjects and spouting junk that is irrelevant to the original debat statement.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'you also can't transmit it if you don't have symptoms'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's actually false, Malkar'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'got evidence to back that up?'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'yes, it can be transmitted through intercourse'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the sympomatic spreading is where it's excreted through sweat or sneezes'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'we had rabides quarantine here for dogs for decades, symptomatic or not. Quarantines only work when you're indiscriminate'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in a perfect world she's have quarantined in Liberia for the duration of incubation before coming home'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'the virus has been shown to be present in semen for up to 3 months after the infection is over. TRUE  it has NEVER been proven that said virus is alive and/or active. It has also NEVER been proven to be spread by sex. There has not been a single case of ebola attributable to sexual intercourse!'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'if you find one PLEASE let the CDC know about it ASAP.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'given that the CDC aren't even capable of equipping medical staff with appropriate gear, I wouldn't hold much confidence in them and am glad I'm not in a country under their control'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'AUstralia has the right idea'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'the CDC is not responsible for equiping medical staff. so why would they bother.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they're responsible for the response, so yes, that includes ensuring the correct gear is deployed'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'not.  hospitals, and organizations like MSF are responsible for equiping workers. not the CDC.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the jokers in the UK think an appropriate response is to check the temperature of visitors from the affected countries at (only) 3 points of entry'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'The CDC focuses national attention on developing and applying disease control and prevention.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'therefore if the response locally wasn't appropriate, the buck stops with the CDC'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'alternatively, scrap it'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'show how much you don't know about the CDC.  '
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's from their mission statement'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'and? it's also correct. and you're still wrong'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well, if the sum total of your output is to say "you are wrong" to everything that is said, regardless of it's correctness then i guess there's nothing more to say :-)'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'the cdc testes equipment, developes guidelins , reccomends procedures, ect.. It directs ememgency response. it hase no power nor control.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you said it. It directs emergency response'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'if the cdc says wear a face mask, it up to the hospital, doctor, or agency to follow it. the cdc can not enforce it.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'correct, but it still represents a failure of their direction'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'you haven't given a shard of proof to back up your correctness yet.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'other than you saying it...'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'fortunately we don't have any direct flights into the UK from the affected places. Not because we have a competent government, because the only carrier who did the flights (British Airways) had the sense to suspend flights'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'it doesn't, it represents a failuer of others to follow the direction that was given'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'Ahh yer in the UK?'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'at the very very kindest, you can say that both parties can be blamed'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'the only fault I can give to the CDC is this.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'their approach has been feeble'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'as was the UK's government'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'it's been shown that the virus can spread without direct contact via droplets in the air. the CDC has ignored this and not adjusted its reccomendation accordingly.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and it can persist outside of the body for considerable lengths of time when the temperature drops. Up to 60 days on some surfaces at temperatures between 4 and 7 degrees C'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'EVERYONE's approach has been feeble. yes. agreed'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'my stance is that government's absolutely primary purpose is to protect it's people from outside. US has so far flunked it. UK has got away with it despite deliberately bringing in an infected patient completely against normal protocol'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if they had closed the borders to these 3 countries THEN brought out this information it would have inspired confidence'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'but i guess UK can't close the borders because of the EU. and the US can't close their borders because of the porous border with Mexico'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'can't debate that cause I know nothing about UK just as you know next to nothing about the US. '
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'unfortunately i know more about the US than most Americans'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the UK's approach has been nice and quiet - we don't have Fox and CNN scaremongering'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'this is more about luck than judgement - we have had no cases'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'aside from the tone, the advice and border steps are broadly similar'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'thats very freaky:p'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'what's that?'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'thomas duncan casued the scare in the US. so you have a point there. and about media also.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and some siginificant sloppiness caused another 2 cases that we know about'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'yes, but the question is who to credit for the sloppiness.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'just about everyone involved'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'that we know about...  both nurses have been released and all people on watch lists have cleard the incubation perios so neither spread the disease.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'further'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'can't blame the nurses for something they weren't trained for.  I'd blame the cdc for improper reccomendations ( as explained earlier), and the hospital for not following/training it's employees'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i can blame a doctor fresh back with symptoms for blondely stumbling around in public'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'and that nurse should just shut up and stay home for the remainder of the 3 weeks she's been asked to do, if for no other reason than to calm the nerves of her neighbours and end the media circus'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'not up to date on those details. last I head that didn't happen. he went bowling, developed a fever next day, and immediatly reported it. but that is old info.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'again, if you're back from an ebola zone having had contact, you should be quarantined, and if nobody has directly ordered you to do it, you really ought to be self-quarantining'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'especially if you're an effing ebola doctor'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'the nurse is right. there's no valid reason other than unjustified fear for her to be quarentined.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you were using raw science then you wouldn't be having a war against drugs or banning guns'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'quit changine the subject and making invalid comparisons. ebols has nothing to do with drugs or guns. those are entierly different subjects.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they are different subject where the science is ignored in favour of emotive political agendas'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's entirely relevent'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'not.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'of course it is'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'there may be similarities, but that doesn't make it relevent.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'approach makes it entirely relevent. When you say one thing and do another it makes you a hypocrit'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'being a hypocrit in government gives you a serious credibility issue. How credible is your government? THe polls suggest it isn't at all. UK parliament likewise'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'ok. explain to me how the war on drugs, or gunrunning is relevant to a nurse being quarrentined without reason?'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well for a start, she's not being quarantined without reason, she's being quarantined with poor reason'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'she's being quarantined as a matter of policy/process irrespective of the scientific evidence'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the war on drugs persists despite all the scientific evidence showing that it's counterproductive'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'she's being quarentined out of fear. there is NO VALID reason for her quarentine.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'banning guns seems to be a thing for liberals despite it's unconstitutionalness and the evidence showing that it leads to more crime'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'it's not an irrational fear'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'it is. '
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no, it isn't'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'how so?'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'there is a finite chance that she has ebola, a chance that diminishes with time'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'and thus concludes our debate on ebola.  I think we are at an impasse'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'part of the publicly facing argument on the war on drugs is likewise to do with an irrational fear. The reality behind it is it's about money and control, but that's for another time'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'agree malkar'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'besides I gotta cp to finish :)'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'basically the empasse is you believe every case should be treated seperately, i believe everyone coming in from affected areas should be treated the same'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'your approach will work provided there remains a tiny number of people coming back'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'my cp mob requires me to do the AQ :('
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'cp fail.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Malkar: 'it may happen, but not giving up yet.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'tiger, the number will remain small. the exception is the military, which is a different subject, and they have a mandantory 21 day quarrentine for everyone in an infected areas wether they had contact or nat. Which I can agree with since they are military, not general citizens.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doctors aren't general citizens'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'doctors and nurses returning should be subject to the same controls'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'Doctors don't sign a contract volentarily giving up part of thier right. military does.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'that's not really very relevent, they're both essentially part of the same action'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'so because I'm a soldier and sign a contract giving up part of my constitutional rights, everyone loses the rights I gave up?'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'not everyone, just everyone going out to combat it. THink of the doctors and nurses who go out there as being on secondment to the army'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'that's just crazy on soooo many levels'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'no crazier than telling the military that they're subject to quarantine while doctors and nurses who are out there for the same reason, who are more exposed and at higher risk should not be'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'debate the military freely gave up thier civil right. thay HAVE to obey orders. the medical people didn't'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'they didn't give it up in a vacuum, it has context, and within this context there is reason for it. You don't quarantine the military because they gave up their rights, you quarantine them because they've been in contact with ebola and it's the safest thing to do for all involved'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'no you quarentine them 1. because you can. 2. to be ultra cautios, and 3, because they are still fed, paid, clothed,, have free heath care, and are confined to a base not a room.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'you can do all those things for the doctors and nurses. Shit, put them up in a 6 star hotel for their quarantine and pamper the shit out of them on paid leave if you need to - they deserve it'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'I'd go for that. Kacy wat put in a tent tho. no shower no tv, no ac, nothing but a port-a-potty'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'well that's her imprisoners fault, what on earth were they thinking?'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'if you make quarantine feel like prison then the response that she had isn't unexpected'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'which is why she's suing.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'general incompetence from those in charge... again?'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'either way its a problem for the courts to decide. us arguing about it means little other than our own understanding and learning from others views.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'nogs'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'the usual conclusions: Governments are absolutely shit at just about everything'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'that reminds me of a line from the movie "Master and Commander". Subject for future debate.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'although, may I politely reccomend that you google, rules of debate'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'i won't google anything on principle, though i might search engine'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Tigernuts: 'in the meantime, http://www.politicalcompass.org/'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Fanil: 'aight. so search engin rules of debate :) and in fairness, I'll look at your likn also.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'south park. should it be banned? and sued?'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Corrugated Korridel: 'No.  No.  Satire is a valid form of comedy, and political discourse.  QED.'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'i say just this one thing: minors! ! !'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) Meraeador: 'I watched South Park when I was ~10 and I think it positively influenced my development'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'anyone noticed it?'
T3/r7/2014-10-30.txt.gz:{chan ch=debate}(Debate) .... Hwuaijijal: 'Butters touching that gooey spot.. Cartman as a bitch.. Kyle. That poor jew stitched between one asian and that lady.. All underage. And no lawsuits. In USA? how can that be possible?'